#off-topic-tech

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charred pewter
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they were supposed to take my signature for my $3k laptop delivery ... they just left it on the porch, didnt even knock on the damned door

jagged snow
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Completely free

charred pewter
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yeah, not our UPS Store anymore 😦 ...

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on top of it, they would also make you wait in line... when all you were doing was dropping off (because you had to pack/tape/label it all beforehand) ...

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so when i saw they were now charging $1 for just dropping off, i was like fuguiz

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Staples is so much nicer though, no crowds, walk up and hand them the item with the QR code... done deal. even easy parking (unlike the Amazon Locker thats at the University where parking is a BITCH)

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had to park in a parking garage, then walk a qtr mile to the Amazon store lol

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and hope you did it all within 15 minutes and back so the parking garage was 'free parking'

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i dont know who that is

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im avoiding wow forever

maiden coyote
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7 months ago I ordered a raspberry pi cm4. It was just delivered

charred pewter
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must be stale 😆

maiden coyote
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Very

pure karma
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i was starting to doubt if i was ever gonna find a game where im not cpu bound even whit my 13700k but nope i found it

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the talos principle 2 even whit dlss on makes my 4070ti hate life and struggle to hold 60fps at 1080P

languid gulch
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well, looks like google is finally pushing me away after like 15 years

gilded helm
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What's your last straw?

sharp oasis
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Fixed the gpu temp issue

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@twin dew

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your method worked

wanton orchid
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probably some "get focus" absurdity from some genius "feelings and focus" engineer

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sponsorized by nvidia

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would be their kind of shit to do

pure karma
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its called walking lol

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to be honest its not too noticeable during gameplay

pure karma
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or atleast one of the few

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the original Talos principal was easily 7 years if not more ahead of its time both graphically and optimization wise

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1920x1080 in 2014 was everything but publically available

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most people where barely up to 720p by 2016 lol

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crazy to think that when this release back then the PS4 was the only way to play this game to its full potential

languid gulch
twin dew
# sharp oasis your method worked

Coolers need to always be tightened in small steps alternating.
Otherwise it will be crooked after the first screw is fully in, and the rest of the screws cannot force their ends back down in all cases.
Doesn't just actually cause issues with CPUs as easily as they are usually with very strong springs.

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I usually turn the screw wrong way until it clicks (just goes past the start of the threads), then turn it in 1 turn.
Then do the same for all others.
Then if there are only 2 screws, I turn first 180 degrees, and then continue with 360 degree turns alternating.
So that the two screws are always half turn of each other.

For 4 screws would make first and third the 180 degree starts, and the second and fourth 360 degree starts.

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Or might make those 90 and 180 degree for GPU core instead to make the steps smaller.

narrow folio
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AGESA 1.1.0.0 incoming
adding support for 7000G, nothing much else AFAIK

twin dew
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Should be 1.0.1.0 probably then.
And 1.0.0.8 is adding the 7000G support already.
Currently out on Asus AM5 boards as the Beta 1.0.8.0 AGESA.

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That AMD internal way of denoting beta AGESA is really annoying.

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Yes, Asus again jumped the gun and has released Beta BIOSes with the Beta AGESA.

narrow folio
twin dew
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Yes, but the point is that the 1.1.0.0 is AMD Beta AGESA, and the real version number will be 1.0.1.0.

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For the Stable AGESA.

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Or maybe they actually jumped the minor version number?

narrow folio
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true, AMD numbering is not really ... intuitive

twin dew
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It is in the stable AGESA series, but those beta versions that are supposed to be AMD & MB maker internal only makes them weird.
But might be that they can take the binary AGESA that has been confirmed to be good in Beta version, and just hexedit and switch two numbers around, retaining same hash/crc.

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So the "properly numbered" doesn't need any more testing.

narrow folio
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just pick a random IPv4 address every new releasetired_jace

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good idea about the checksum 👍

twin dew
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Because for example CRC32 doesn't care about such switches. And is often still used for firmware CRC.

narrow folio
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a (THE?) reason CRC32 is not used in anything remotely connected with safety

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but still good enough for this stuff

dire igloo
wanton orchid
sterile plinth
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I finally moved my PC under my desk guys!!!!

sterile plinth
twin dew
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Wouldn't that be pretty easy to check? (I already did).

dire igloo
wanton orchid
twin dew
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Doesn't seem to have anything in common beside having word "ark" in the name.

sterile plinth
dire igloo
sterile plinth
dire igloo
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I'm dead serious about this. Getting a second monitor is awesome

tribal kraken
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at sixth monitor is not so awesome anymore

twin dew
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Six still works fine.

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Over that gets hard.

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With suitable setup you could get side under monitors?

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And go for 8?

sand saddle
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I mean my 2nd monitor is exclusively discord and messanger

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But I can split my ultrawide for multitasking other shit that people usually use 2 monitors for.

edgy hazel
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I just become confused at that point

twin dew
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Got three Discords, one Irssi (IRC client), Spotify and Browser open on top right now.

edgy hazel
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Windows are animals born and raised in small habitats and you just wanna go and increase it for no reason????

sterile plinth
twin dew
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Usable monitors start from about 100e.
So somewhat, but the price is somewhat low compared to the utility from second one.

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For new monitors.

sterile plinth
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it depends, what would the use of the 2nd monitor be

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if its just discord i could get the cheapest monitor i could find thats 45 hz VGA and 4bit colors

tribal kraken
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I've sourced some monitors from work and offices that my friends work. The usual full HD 24" 60hz monitors going to scrap usually can be fixed only swapping some low quality (like 0.50€ pcs) caps in power feed for the backlight.

charred pewter
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Afterburner graphs, and ... monitoring OBS ... so yeah, the second monitor can be the cheapest thing on the market honestly

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my plan of attack is usually: buy a newer better MAIN monitor, then push the current main monitor into second duty 🙂

twin dew
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Got the stream on second monitor right now.
With Discord now only on two of the top monitors.

charred pewter
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so you get this cascade of lesser and lesser monitors as secondaries

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im still so surprised this old 17" 1080p viewsonic is still so strong

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no hazing, no fading, no color spots, no lines or flickers

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i bought it BEFORE i started tracking all things i buy for computers

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so sometime before 2004....

dire igloo
pure karma
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i need a bigger desk tho if i personally want more space

sterile plinth
jagged snow
sterile plinth
jagged snow
twin dew
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Depends how much you need to alt-tab without it.

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Or switch windows.

sterile plinth
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but yeah i alt tab to discord every 30 seconds

twin dew
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So very large benefit.

tribal kraken
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Then you need second monitor 😂 and after getting used to it, can't live without

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That's one the downsides using VR headsets for me. Feel like I need the extra monitor there too

twin dew
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Long time ago I used to have 3x 1600x1200 Trinitron CRT (don't remember if 19" or 21") and then 3x 17" 1280x1024 crap LCD on top of them.
Then I upgraded to 3x 24" 1920x1200 IPS LCDs, but couldn't mount the three top monitors anymore for 10 years.
It was PAIN after getting used to 6 every month or two when I would have needed more.
And annoying all the time.

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Then I finally could afford to spend 600e in hex-monitor mount system and put those old crap LCDs back, that I had saved the whole time.

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Then later bought 3x used 22" IPS LCDs, and even later updated the bottom LCDs to 27" 1920x1080 IPS ones, and now the 24"s are top ones.
Wanting to get 27" 4k IPS monitors to replace the bottom ones next.

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Can work with just 3 most of the time, but sometimes you just need to have many documents or pages etc. open at same time and if you don't have enough monitors, you have to constantly switch what is visible.

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When some things just don't work that well on half a 16:9 monitor anymore.

winged valley
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Thats just my opinion tho

narrow folio
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4k is basically 4 FHD monitors in one, so I grabbed a 42" 4k for more real desktop estate (with my three old 23" FHD monitors around it)

jagged snow
winged valley
winged valley
narrow folio
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The aspect ratio is the same for 2160p and 1080p, but the size and distance of the screen does matter how you perceive the picture

twin dew
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It isn't for gaming, it is to get nice scaling between the upper monitors and the lower monitors, with better resolution for text etc.

winged valley
winged valley
twin dew
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So 27" uppers at 1920x1080 @ 100%, and then 27" lowers at 4k @ 200%.

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Remembered to take a HWiNFO summary screenshot in addition to the previous ones:

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dire igloo
dire igloo
narrow folio
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Yes, I would say so😁

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ignore the mess, I'm trying to figure out how to get a nicer cabling done. Not much success so far tired_jace

wide void
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I'd be at a complete loss with 1 monitor..

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3 at work, 4 at home

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trying to do any sort of spreadsheet comparison when you are tabbing between windows...

twin dew
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Single 4k monitor is 8.3M pixels, triple-wide full-HD is 6.2M pixels.
Triple-wide 1440 would have been 11M pixels.

winged valley
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Ill try it someday but for now im fine with 3 monitors

twin dew
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For less GPU power needed than single 4k at native.

winged valley
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Ah are they gonna be borderless or no?

twin dew
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It never is completely borderless, but played with that before, just don't have the horsepower in current computer to do it anymore.

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The distortion at the edges is much more annoying than the gap.

narrow folio
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distortion? you mean the bezels? can be compensated, but you won't see whatever is behind the bezels

twin dew
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No, the way the game rendering fails when the FOV is too wide.

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Because the games render as a plane, not as a sphere part.

narrow folio
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Oh, yeah. that was the reason I switched from 3x1920x1080 to 3x1080x1920

twin dew
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The bezel compensation is pain IMHO, it was used automatically for my monitors so always had to manually disable it.

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AMD drivers had specific automatic profile for my monitors.
They knew how much of that you needed to get exact right fit, and automatically activated that.

wide void
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multiple monitors is easier for productivity, snapping various sheets open etc

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if I was just gaming, yeah, one ultrawide

twin dew
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And most of the time I have the left side monitor used by another computer.
Would need some kind of picture in picture functionality in the ultrawide to do the same.

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And even the best ultrawides are just 32:9, so two 16:9:s side by side, not three.

wide void
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software KVM (Synergy) running so I can seamlessly use the same mouse and keyboard across both PC's, including clipboard contents

twin dew
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Two left ones on the secondary computer with the top keyboard and mouse.
With the bottom left that can be switched to the main computer when needed.
Might add the cable to use the top left with main computer too in next change.

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wide void
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though I do have a separate keyboard and mouse on the server as its more convenient to use IRC when gaming, lol.

wide void
twin dew
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Ran it for some years without the through-desk mounting addons, but the base on-desk-base legs started to bend from the force.

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Just a tiny bit, but enough to make the stand start to rock audibly, but not visually, when the desk was bumped.

maiden coyote
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I'm thinking about getting this for a i7 2600. It's about the only cooler that'll fit in the chassis I want to use

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Damn that's a nice setup

wide void
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that thing will sound like an air raid siren if it is anything like effective

maiden coyote
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I hope not. Since it's the only cooler I could find that'll fit in 1u it's worth a try

twin dew
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Well, U2 server chassis will always sound like air raid siren.

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Even more for 1U

wide void
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true, lol

maiden coyote
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My 2u server is silent.

twin dew
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Yeah,read the description as 2U for some reason in the pic.

maiden coyote
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I used this in it.. that's too tall with the fan for 1u

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If I could do flow through cooling things would be different. I'm hoping it won't be super loud. The system it's going in will be used for opnsense and frigate nvr

dire igloo
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What about other LP coolers, Thermalright and so on?

twin dew
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1U needs server cooler, that Noctua for 2U is already smaller than basically anything else meant for retail.

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Thermaltake seems to have some.

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The whole 1U case can be max 44.5mm high, from top to bottom.
Then remove the panels, the MB standoffs, the MB itself, the socket and CPU...

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So the actual max height for the cooler is around 30mm?
And that leaves zero room between the cooler top and the case.
So top-down cooler wouldn't really work.

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Reason why less than 4U rack mount servers don't usually have CPU cooler fan at all, just heat sink that is oriented to use the case front-to-back airflow and just specify the minimum needed.

jagged snow
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That's why most server coolers rely on flow-through of the unit

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Beat me to it 😦

twin dew
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Ok, 2U already has active CPU cooler with side fan.
With high speed 60x60mm fans in this case.
That one for LGA2011, with 145W CPU max.

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sharp oasis
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Any data SSD reccomendations

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I need more storage in machine

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I'm already using up almost 3 TB

jagged snow
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What on earth are you doing to eat that much storage?

dusk rivet
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i’ve barely used up 1.5tb with a fair few large games

dire igloo
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I filled my 1.75TB SSD space quite a bit

dire igloo
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or rather: m.2 or 2.5"?

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4TB Lexar NM790 is dope - for 2.5", Samsung 870 QVO

twin dew
dire igloo
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MX500 if you don't want QLC

twin dew
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Even when those have already almost disappeared.

dire igloo
dire igloo
winged valley
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Pinecil is on the way lets goo

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dire igloo
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Penicillin?

winged valley
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Pinecil

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Its a soldering iron

narrow folio
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interesting, should have enough power to solder most things. price seems nice too

winged valley
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88w ye

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I bought the whole setup for $131

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Can't afford a hakko and i'm not buying a weird chinese station again (this is replacing the last one)

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I've seen nothing but praise for the Pinecil so I'm confident it'll last me

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And yes ik Pine is a chinese company

narrow folio
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my Ersa is nice, Weller would be great

winged valley
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Weller still makes irons?

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For some reason I thought they died out

jagged snow
winged valley
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Cheapest one I saw was like 250

narrow folio
winged valley
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Oh huh

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Wait thats weller not hakko

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Still that doesn't look bad at all

narrow folio
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Weller has about everything you could want regarding soldering

winged valley
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Do they do hot air too or no?

jagged snow
# winged valley Cheapest one I saw was like 250

This is what I run https://www.amazon.com/Hakko-FX888D-23BY-Digital-Soldering-Station/dp/B00ANZRT4M

Hakko FX888D-23BY Digital Soldering Station FX-888D FX-888 (blue & ...

Reliable digital technology by HAKKO – Introducing the HAKKO FX-888D Excellent thermal recovery Heater output has been increased by 30% compared to that of the conventional models HAKKO 936·937. Also FX-888D delivers excellent thermal recovery by using T18 series tips for their terrific heat cond...

winged valley
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Huh, nice

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Does it come with extra tips or are those sold separately?

jagged snow
winged valley
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Bc if they are I got a better deal with the Pinecil (also the PSU they sell for it is good for diagnosing charging issues)

winged valley
narrow folio
winged valley
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Ehhhhhhhh I'm not sure about air on rails

narrow folio
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industrial grade

winged valley
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I know its good but I'm so used to holding it idk if I'd get used to rails

narrow folio
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keeping the hands free to handle the chip seems preferable to hand held hot air

winged valley
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The weird chinesium station I have right now is the Handskit 909D+. It features a questionable soldering iron (which died), a slightly less questionable air gun, and a DC tester I don't even trust at all (mainly bc it was broken out of the box)

winged valley
narrow folio
winged valley
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oooooh

narrow folio
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handheld air

winged valley
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Is that compressed air?

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I know a guy who has a compressed air station and that thing works so quickly

narrow folio
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This station has an input for compressed air

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58psi / 400kPa

winged valley
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Well that explains the price lol

edgy hazel
winged valley
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Based on what I read in the article, its figuring that out from basic browser fingerprinting. And if someone wants to try and prosecute Google for doing that, then they should probably prosecute the 900000000000000000 other companies that do it for much more nefarious purposes than detecting an adblocker

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Also, as much as I dislike ads, I've seen people say Google is in the wrong for trying to prevent adblocking and uh... Blocking youtube ads does cost them money, especially with how detailed ad analytics get

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And you agree to watch ads when you use youtube

pure karma
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ussally have the AW on the floor but i was benchmarking and wasent sure if i wanted to continue

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judge the cable management how you want it dosent bother me in the slightest lol

gilded helm
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I've seen what Youtube looks like without an adblocker. I'd just stop using Youtube if the default experience were foisted onto me.

dire igloo
sharp oasis
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Sata

dusk rivet
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i have a personal distaste for alienware

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glances at piece of shit alienware on parents desk

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and the default windows wallpaper

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you made everything else green, give yourself a green wallpaper

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honestly surprised the walls aren't green

pure karma
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use to have a wallpaper was too lazy to add it back

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also roast it all you want the alienware is the most reliable thing in that room lol

sharp oasis
dusk rivet
pure karma
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faire point

dusk rivet
sharp oasis
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Don't have any m.2 slots available

dusk rivet
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makes sense

pure karma
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i guess the desk is the most reliable but everything has an issue other than the desk and AW

dusk rivet
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I found a l shaped motor-height-adjusted desk for like 180usd and want it so bad

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my desk is just too small for a mid tower pc and two monitors

sharp oasis
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I played cyberpunk on my phone

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Not natively

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Steam link kinda works

dire igloo
sharp oasis
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Canada

maiden coyote
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1u max cooler height is 29mm from google. The NH-L9 heatsink is 23mm without the fan

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So that'll give me the clearance I need while providing sufficient cooling.

dire igloo
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sorry for ghost ping, bot deleted the links

sharp oasis
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Np

jagged snow
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These two cut-and-pasted lmg thumbnails

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languid gulch
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the company that allows outright malware on their site is doing some shady shit? tell me it ain't so!

maiden coyote
winged valley
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huh?

maiden coyote
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hakkos arn't that expensive. I hope you like the pinecil though

edgy hazel
winged valley
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I was able to use my previous iron, I expect this one to be an upgrade at least by a little

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Also why does the pic look like a really bad render of it

maiden coyote
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What I can say, is if you're dealing with large ground planes, use your iron in one hand and a hot air station at something like 200C in the other.

winged valley
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Thanks for the tip

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Pun intended

maiden coyote
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modern pcb's like what'd you see on a gpu will soak up heat fast.

edgy hazel
winged valley
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I'm mostly working with laptops so I seem to have lucked out in that department

maiden coyote
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so if you don't have a hot air station and that's the kind of stuff you want to do.. I can't recommend getting one enough.

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some of those have thick power layers too. especially around the vrms

winged valley
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I have hot air

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If you read above, I have a cheap chinesium reworking station and the iron for it had its heating element die

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Ive been dossatisfied with that iron to begin with so insteaf of replacing the heatong element im replacing the whole iron

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I switched to phone sorry for bad spelling

maiden coyote
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You're good. I just jumped in without scrolling up much.

winged valley
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All good

maiden coyote
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Usbc replacement on a switch I did. Fuck usbc ports.

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Coworker is supposed to being me a 3070 or something that smells burnt and "is completely fucked" looking forward to having that on my bench.

winged valley
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So far Ive done it once

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First time I put the replacement on it would only charge in 1 of 2 orientations which means one of the stacks was misalligned

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Do you have any tricks to doing it or do I just need better magnification

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(I have my eyes and a crappy magnofying glass)

twin dew
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This type things are nice:

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maiden coyote
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If it's hot enough to melt the ground plane solder then the connectors should be molten too.

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Either one of these will let you see what you need to.

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I've had decent luck with a cellphone too although not ideal

twin dew
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Yeah, if going for very high magnification.
The visor has been enough for me so far, even when you have to put your head pretty close for the higher magnifications.

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Somewhere close to 10x maybe in my case?

maiden coyote
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10-15x is good.

twin dew
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in 5x-10x range with just the visor I have for one eye.

maiden coyote
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That's mostly what you'll use. Higher like 20-40x will let you see if you missed a pad on a qfn ic

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Like these.

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twin dew
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Saw that size fine with just the visor.
Similar model I just found says it is 6x max.
And the visors cost only $20-40, so cheap way to start.

maiden coyote
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Or dumb stuff like this. Unless you're going small, you don't need a scope.

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The visors are great. I've just gotten so used to working under my scope that using a optivisor feels awkward to me.

twin dew
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SOT666 package was pain to hand solder:

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maiden coyote
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So that's personal preference

twin dew
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Because you don't have to stick your face right up to the PCB etc.

maiden coyote
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For sure, don't be me and go buy a $600 stereo microscope xD

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.5mm center to center is definitely small. If you accidentally knock something like that off a board. It's gone

twin dew
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That 0.1mm-0.3mm extension of the leads out of the body was the pain point.

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To heat them without heating the body.
When the tip I had was 0.4mm spike.

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And the leads being 0.17-0.27mm wide.

maiden coyote
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On stuff that small if I can, I try to heat the pad rather than the leads

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Or use air and hope your tweezers don't slip

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But back to scopes and visors. magnification is pretty much requied to do any kind of pcb work on anything made recently.

twin dew
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Yes, and the visor needs to get into that about 10x range to be useful for everything.
Some of them only get to 3-4x.

upper plinth
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@atomic notch replying here to the ping from yeasterday 😅 #satisfactory-experimental message. Was already in bed when you wrote the message so you know. Anyway:
Not sure what is happening with MC on 1.20 and above, as last modding I did was for 1.19.2, but official mappings aren't complete on 1.19.2 >.>

Nearly all methods are deobsfucated yes, but none of the arguments for them are, and there is no documentation. This is fixed by unofficial mapping and Open Source projects, which are great! But without that, it's still a bit of pain.
Example of 1.19.2 MC Code, constructors of ItemStack. Those aren't that bad as you can guess what is what in here, but any rendering methods with 6 integer arguments are pain to decode what is what.

   public ItemStack(ItemLike p_41599_) {
      this(p_41599_, 1);
   }

   public ItemStack(Holder<Item> p_204116_) {
      this(p_204116_.value(), 1);
   }

   private ItemStack(ItemLike p_41604_, int p_41605_, Optional<CompoundTag> p_41606_) {
      this(p_41604_, p_41605_);
      p_41606_.ifPresent(this::setTag);
   }

Either way, except old versions in the old times (talking from 1.12.2), it was what I described, but as I was tired, I completely forgot to mention it's way better those days 😅 (Except mod loader and launcher dramas, CF trying to kill 3rd party launchers, and Quilt destroying itself with the behaviour of the devs jacelul)
Also just me being nitpicky, but decompiled Java code is barely possible to be recompiled and function correctly, and if you recompile decompiled minecraft classes, it's going to crash fairly fast >.> However with use of Mixins today, and in older versions binary patching, you can modify actual mc code and even other mods code!

I didn't touch UE modding at all, and probably as you described, it's barely possible to work with modding the game on UE in the fashion you can mod MC, but modding MC isn't also a haven for mods, I would say Factorio might be the best experience for modding, as it has official support and docs for everything from what I know 😄 True is the fact however that you can do everything in MC, as it loads literal classes, so you can launch other apps, modify the game however you want... or do viruses what actually happend recently.

mental oriole
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Optional... eww...

twin dew
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Because that isn't really obfuscation, just how decompiling works if the original names aren't specifically included as addon that is never used by the running program.

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Intermediate bytecode like Java creates is easier to decompile, but it still doesn't retain everything from the original source.

atomic notch
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You not being constrained by anything in Minecraft is one of the best things about modding it, and the reason why modding in that game is thriving

dusk rivet
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minecraft modding is indeed great

upper plinth
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Well, I just heard that modding Factorio is nice due to amount of documentation and just.. having the code open out there to look at 😅
Probably bad comparison, I did just touch the minecraft modding scene, so I have experience only with that

dusk rivet
#

having two major mod loaders is nice, let’s you pick which one you prefer

upper plinth
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(currently 4, from which 2 are being phased out, mc modding scene currently is a bit of a mess)

dusk rivet
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i only ever see forge and fabric

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might just be a curseforge thing

upper plinth
#

Forge, NeoForge, Fabric, Quilt

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CurseForge is just a mod distributor 😅

dusk rivet
#

Oh ik

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i download individual mods there

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i’m just saying i only ever see forge and fabric mods on it

upper plinth
# upper plinth Forge, NeoForge, Fabric, Quilt

I mean, this feels weird, but like, NeoForge is fork of Forge, and has entire Forge dev team expect like 2 people.
Quilt is the same of Fabric, but has few people from Fabric that went rouge, and are killing their own project with how toxic they are

dusk rivet
#

neoforge and quilt do sound familiar tho

upper plinth
#

NeoForge mods are starting to appear on CF, as this will be the continuation of Forge for 1.20 and onwards

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Quilt is dying and barely anyone is doing mods on it specifically jacelul

dusk rivet
#

i use forge cause that was the first mod loader i saw

upper plinth
#

if fabric mod works on Quilt, nice its quilt mod, not? oh well, no special support will be made

upper plinth
#

And the pure fact it has way more mods is nice

dusk rivet
#

on curseforge a large majority of mods support forge

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with a fair few supporting fabric too

upper plinth
#

Main reason is that Fabric is a thing since 1.14.x

dusk rivet
#

not too many mods on curseforge are fabric only

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i do remember seeing one mod that i wanted but was fabric only tho

upper plinth
#

Modrinth is place of Fabric mods, as Fabric devs are "pure" or whatever they want to cal lthemselves, and they hate CF lol

dusk rivet
#

oh lol

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chauvinism is an interesting trait to have

upper plinth
#

Yea 😅 But it is better now and Fabric devs are pretty nice, it's just fabric mod devs are weird

dusk rivet
#

sounds like it

upper plinth
#

And combination of those two created Quilt, what I already said is happening with lol

dusk rivet
#

i just remembered how sketchy the java download page is

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jesus how did anyone end up downloading java

upper plinth
#

The first thing it shows up when you download java is outdated as hell Java 8 for applets in web browsers jacelul

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They didn't update the page since ages, to get from them new java you need to go on oracle page, instead of the one that shows up when you google java.

dusk rivet
#

i had to convince myself i wasn’t downloading a virus when i first installed java

upper plinth
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Or.. use different vendor of JVM, like adoptium

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Same hehe

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Tho you can surely do java viruses, that also happend on mc modding scene recently

dusk rivet
#

oh yeah the chat one

upper plinth
#

Not even that one, someone created an actual virus that was injected into mod uploads on CF, and was running all the time in background and stealing your data, and in the end destroying your OS

dusk rivet
#

just existing in the same server as the viral chat would be enough to be infected

#

oh didn’t hear about that one

upper plinth
#

Yea, CF and launchers rushed to implement virus scans for that thing, and additionaly there was a whole page that was getting samples of the virus and decoding it, as it was obsfucated of obsfucated code, that was written in such a weird way with String being written using hex values of each char etc

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and additionally everything was encrypted! It was pain to decompile that thing and reverse-engineer it

dusk rivet
#

i assume windows minecraft was unaffected?

upper plinth
#

Bedrock edition? Nope, it doesn't havve mods

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Java edition was. And it works nearly everywhere where is JVM so :P

dusk rivet
#

don’t they have mod-like things?

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i remember using “mods” on mobile minecraft

upper plinth
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mobile mc is different thing iirc, or at least, was different thing

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I think someone did some plugins for bedrock, but it's barely possible

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so modding is stuck with java edition

dusk rivet
#

weird that it’d be all that different for mobile

upper plinth
#

Anyway Archengius if you are still reading this 😅 I mean, yea I said MC is great with the fact you can do anything with it, but also main point of the response was that MC officially barely supports modders, so it's always using mod loader that modified the game to allow for launching the game with mods, and it's still pain to understand mc code without unofficial mappings. But if you set this up correctly, I can agree its one of the best mod dev enviroments

dusk rivet
#

native mod support when?

atomic notch
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Well, unfortunately this is not an ideal world. Despite all of that, it is one of the best modding experiences you have available, compared to the rest of the games

upper plinth
#

Yup. Just need to set it up correctly and deal with Java jacelul

upper plinth
#

Anyway I should go back to work 😅 Cya and thanks for the talk <3

dusk rivet
#

i have auto crafting through mods so auto crafting isn’t anything special for me

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refined storage my beloved

upper plinth
#

Well yea, but autocrafting in vanilla was said to never happen, so for vanilla players its huge

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and mods now need to make their autocrafting better than vanilla! What isn't a huge bar but still

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Create I'm looking at you

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Also AE2 my beloved jacelul

dusk rivet
#

auto crafting in 1.21 looks sorta funky

upper plinth
#

Well yea, because its vanilla minecraft, only thing you have to insert stuff into autocrafting is a hopper or dropper.

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So like, it is hella funky, but it's still autocrafting, and you know vanilla players that do redstone will abuse this a lot

dusk rivet
#

it’s gonna get abused to no end in the red stone scene

upper plinth
dusk rivet
#

Cya

#

my brain entirely skipped over that message lol

dire igloo
#

Quick question, how does Discord handle stream encoding?

tough owl
#

h264

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or av1 on windows if everyone in the call has a 40 series gpu

dire igloo
#

This is weird

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Why 40 series in particular, why not 7000 series AMD?

tough owl
#

because nvidia and discord are in bed

jagged snow
#

Discord still doesn't properly support amd hw accel

tough owl
#

that too

narrow folio
#

Currently, sending AV1 video is only supported via Windows desktop with NVidia RTX 4080/4090 GPU. However, desktop viewers can still watch AV1 streams without RTX40xx GPU.

tough owl
#

last I checked you cant do that last part

narrow folio
#

discord says it should work

twin dew
#

All native drivers from NV, AMD and Intel are non-compliant with spec and fall down once you venture out of the most trivial test cases imaginable, and even then the hardware behavior is deeply questionable in places on all vendors. This document will try to outline all known issues.

tough owl
#

What is this?

twin dew
#

Another instance that GPU drivers don't actually follow the Graphics API specs.
And then games code against the implementation and not the spec.

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And Proton & DXVK devs documenting stuff about the situation, and what they implemented as software emulation for the broken stuff.

languid gulch
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can't wait for gta6 to require a 4090 & a 7800X3D to run 🤣

sterile plinth
#

Guys am I crazy or is my monitor misaligned

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Even though both parts of the stand touch the wall I'm 100% sure it tilts to the left

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But I have no idea how to fix it

languid gulch
#

i'd bet it's just some play built into that little screw that bolts the base to the vertical part

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or maybe it swivels?

gilded helm
#

GTA 6 or any game that takes that long to develop gets to be in a weird place, because the hardware that existed when you started is so drastically different from what's available at release.

languid gulch
#

especially now

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the difference between 10 series & 40 series, despite nvidia's bullshittery, is cavernous, & the AMD side is possibly even bigger

gilded helm
#

ALl we have is an announcement of an announcement. We might even have Blackwell and RDNA4.

pure karma
#

i mean you could probably mostly counter that by just doing most of the graphics based stuff as late into development as posible

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it would still have an effect but atleast not so much visibly

languid gulch
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& i know there's definitely the desire to want a game to reach as many people as possible by going for lower end hardware, but wow i don't envy whoever is trying to time all that just right for release

gilded helm
#

And of course, the other possibility is that GTA 6 releases soon, but has too many problems at release, and isn't functionally ready until Blackwell/RDNA4.

jagged snow
#

Like the way cp2077 released on rx 6k/rtx30 and finally hit maturity right as the next generation released?

dire igloo
#

Keychron just released their M6, looks like MX Master is getting some competition

gilded helm
#

Ooh, how is Cyberpunk 2.0, incidentally? I'm waiting for a sale to grab it and the expansion away from EGS

sterile plinth
#

If I tilt it the other way to make it normal I just hear a slight creaking sound and once I let it go it returns back to the weird position

languid gulch
#

so just flawed manufacturing

sterile plinth
#

Hopefully it's the stand and not the vesa mount so I can just replace it with another monitor arm

stray badger
#

if that mouse only had the cool razer docking thing, it would be perfect

sharp oasis
#

@jagged snow random question I can lay my case on the back panel (it has feet) but I don't think that would be particularly good on my radiator pump

jagged snow
sharp oasis
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I do know that the air will be in the high point of the tubes i just dont want that air going to the pump

languid gulch
#

dammit. youtube blocked on edge now

tough owl
#

This is your fault for using edge

sharp oasis
#

Firefox

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Is still peak

#

Ublock+Firefox

tough owl
#

Yessir

winged valley
#

netscape navigator

languid gulch
#

i switched to edge last week because ublock worked on youtube's ads

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and now it's working again 🤣

twin dew
#

So if it isn't working, go into the uBlock options and force-update the rules.

#

Filter lists, Purge all caches, Update now

#

AFAIK it is just random string of letters and numbers, "hidden" with bunch of other script that are needed named like it.
And there is daily randomization of those or something similar.

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But I just intentionally disabled turbo above base clocks on the 7800X3D for testing.
Should have done already some time ago.

tribal kraken
#

Seems like my HP zBook 17 G3 from 2014 has developed heat problem, fan runs on medium speed and CPU throttled down to 800Mhz. All temps seen by HWinfo are fine. Techpowerup throttlestop can fix it by uncheckin BD PROCHOT. Then it boosts normally to 3,3GHz and CPU stays below 70°C and the GPU Guadro M4000M works too normallu. Anyone know HP laptops how to find whats causing the throttling?

twin dew
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That specific line is for other things in the computer to send CPU "Slow down, I'm burning/breaking down" signal.
So can be battery or VRM etc.

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Or just one of those external sensors failing from age into the "wrong" output status.

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But finding out WHAT is sending the signal will be almost impossible probably.
Unless you can somehow get schematics for the laptop etc.

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So can be real fault somewhere on the laptop MB causing elevated temperatures or like for some of the CPU power feeding circuitry.
Or can be just faulty reading from monitoring for that.

#

Battery comes in in cases that it is so old that the computer sees it having trouble providing enough current.
Or if that sensor fails and thinks the battery cannot provide current anymore, even if you have AC adapter plugged in.

languid gulch
#

wow, rip omegle

#

& yea, general advice on a decade old laptop that's overheating is usually "it's old & finally gave up"

twin dew
#

Might be overheating, or just thinking it is overheating.
Cannot know from just the software sensors that can be read.

languid gulch
#

yea true

twin dew
#

Because the status of the sensors leading to that BD PROCHOT aren't usually exposed to HWiNFO and like.

tribal kraken
#

Yeah I've thrown my one previous laptop to recyling with heat problems and had none for a while but then had to get one for work. Guess Im just going to use throttlestop enabling it to boost until it dies

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Other than that it still can do most of my work, 32GB ram helps

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CPU throttled down to 800MHz make it useless though

twin dew
#

But anyways, time for some cooler testing.
y-cruncher BBP test in loop, with turbo disabled so that the CPU uses fixed voltage and frequency while loaded with almost fixed wattage.

Need to remember to also monitor the temperature sensor I placed before the CPU cooler fan.
Too bad HWiNFO can only read full degrees for it...
Time to see if I can put another externally read room temperature sensor with 0.1C resolution there too..

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Want to test normal vs. offset mount, three different thermal pastes with the offset mount, and then different paste thicknesses for one of the pastes.

#

But now I have Biltema in&out electronic temperature sensors remote sensor in the airflow before the CPU cooler too.
And as the absolute values don't matter, only the relative changes, it is good enough.

languid gulch
twin dew
#

But I can now confirm that on AM5, ECC RAM is currently slower than non-ECC.
Frequency and latencies can be the same, the resulting bandwidth numbers will be the same, but ECC will have about 0.4-0.8ns higher latency!
Absolute crap! From 62.0 to 62.4 ns RAM latency! Unusable!

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🤣

#

In the testing with Turbo off.

twin dew
pure karma
#

im curious what kind of recommendations you guys would have for laptops if you have any... any price range works really

#

prettymuch every company has failled my criterias at some point or another other than dell which isent surprising but im down to try something new

twin dew
#

Depends what you want?
Size, weight, capabilities, GPU need etc.
And if you are willing to go from consumer crap to enterprise stuff or not.

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But that mostly drops gaming from the supported things, unless you are willing to pay a LOT for mobile workstation GPU.

upper plinth
#

When you give a script control over mouse and accidentally click Windows key hehe

pure karma
#

i mean at this point its hard to do worst that a 6006u paired whit 4 gb of ram

#

really anything thats power efficient at idle and that can pack a decent punch for games occasionally

#

i think this laptop is 14 inches but not sure

dire igloo
maiden coyote
#

these look neat

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stray badger
pure karma
#

seems like an ok laptop for specs

tough owl
jagged snow
#

Ooh

#

Is it like switch oled, just a new screen?
Or does it come with a hw upgrade as well?

tough owl
#

6nm apu

#

50wh
wifi 6e

jagged snow
#

Wow, very cool

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6nm would be zen 4, right?

twin dew
#

No, Phoenix is 4nm.

jagged snow
#

Ah okay

#

So custom uarch then?
Zen3 desktop/mobile is 7nm

twin dew
#

Rembrant has 6nm variants.

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Zen3+

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RDNA2 IGP

jagged snow
#

Oh yeah, completely forgot about that

#

Thanks for the reminder

#

zen4c looks interesting for the handheld space

twin dew
#

And matches to the LPDDR5 6400MT/s

jagged snow
#

90hz at 1k nits

#

180hz polling rate on the touchscreen

tough owl
#

It basically what Sony did to the ps5

twin dew
#

Way overdone colors (110% DCI-P3)

tough owl
#

Zen2 rdna2 but 6nm

jagged snow
charred pewter
#

sabrent is "still investigating the issue" with those sata enclosures missing capacitors ...

tough owl
jagged snow
#

They also made it so all the screws thread into metal

twin dew
#

Yes, but will be just weird without calibration.
But many do like that.

tough owl
jagged snow
# tough owl LETS GOOOO

Adjusted rear cover screw heads to Torx™, as well as other materials and geometry tweaks on the heads to reduce stripping risk
Lowered number of screw types throughout system
Reduced step count required for common repairs
Improved bumper switch mechanism drop reliability
Moved bumper switch to joystick board for easier repair
Improved display repair/replacement to not require taking rear cover off

sharp oasis
#

Random dude spent $1500 on a 3060TI white and all white astehetic for litterally a 5600x and 3060ti.

charred pewter
#

sad

sharp oasis
#

I hate the build a PC discord sometimes

jagged snow
dire igloo
#

could've probably made a $1500 white list with 7800XT and 7600

sharp oasis
#

I will say this tho

#

Fuck PCMR disc

jagged snow
#

@tough owl I might actually buy a limited edition oled

tough owl
twin dew
#

So one of these then in that new Steam Deck?

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tough owl
#

Let me know how you like it

tough owl
jagged snow
tough owl
#

just on a process node shrink

charred pewter
twin dew
tough owl
jagged snow
tough owl
#

Just cut back

dire igloo
# sharp oasis I will say this tho

what I like about the PCPP discord: the editor-in-chief for the PSU cultists tier list is a member of the PCPP discord and stops by from time to time to give his two cents on a PSU discussion
It's a very constructive environment with people that are super knowledgable about a lot of stuff

twin dew
#

Yes, the spec page says that, but somehow I expect it to be copy-paste error.

#

Respin is VERY expensive.
And Steam Deck doesn't sell anywhere enough for it to be economical for Valve.

tough owl
#

You tell me

#

Yea I don’t think they’re putting a new SoC in it

#

If they were they should’ve put zen4 rdna3

twin dew
#

Ah, might be Mendocino?

jagged snow
twin dew
#

So Ryzen 7020 series.

tough owl
jagged snow
#

But they didn't...

tough owl
twin dew
#

Making semi-custom by merging Mendecino CPU part and 6nm RDNA2 IGP from another part is much cheaper.

tough owl
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

twin dew
#

Question was if AMD had any Zen2 6nm CPUs layed out.

#

But we will see what is actually in the thing.

tough owl
#

I’ll wait for people to get one and share the cpu info

twin dew
#

But the expensive part would have been to convert the Zen2 CPU cores to 6nm, but as that part was already done for Mendecino, getting semi-custom with same specs as the old CPU is much cheaper.

wanton orchid
#

zen4c exist I feel its a bit misleading to name core thread like that

twin dew
#

Zen4 and Zen4c are same CPU to the software.
Just same implementation done with different process library.
Zen4 is on high-performance library.
Zen4c is on area-efficient, low power library.

#

So Zen4 clocks higher, but needs more power at all frequencies, and takes more die space.
Zen4c is more efficient and smaller per core, but doesn't clock as high at max.

jagged snow
twin dew
#

And Zen4 was designed in parts, Zen4c took that confirmed design and smashed it all together in the design, so more area savings from that.

#

So they are the same, just different power-frequency curve and max frequency.

#

Zen 4, made compact.

winged valley
#

BGA reworking is weird

#

Im practicing removing BGA chips rn but without a board heater I feel like im doomed to burn chips

twin dew
#

Zen4 vs Zen4c on die level core layout:

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But exact same IPC.

#

The AMD current fuckup is that they only specify the max turbo and base clocks for the mixed CPUs, where only the Zen4 cores can reach anywhere near that stated turbo.

#

Even when if the CPU was with all Zen4 and no Zen4c, the actual multicore would be about the same because of power limits.

#

But the max turbo for the 4c:s would need to be also stated in the specs.

jagged snow
twin dew
#

Phoenix 1 is just with 4:s, no 4c:s and with larger IGP.

jagged snow
#

Huh, okay

twin dew
#

The new desktop APUs for AM5 are rumored to have two Phoenix 1 parts (8 and 6 core) and two Phoenix 2 parts (2+4 and 1+3 core)

#

Same for Ryzen 7040U series for laptops.

wanton orchid
twin dew
#

No, just compressed and using lower power silicon design library.

#

But with exact same high level design.

#

Older version of the same dia contains L3 comparison with 4c having half the per core compared to 4.
But that has been the norm for APUs forever anyways, even with exact same core.

#

Some hype on the left side

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wanton orchid
#

no need to re do micro tuning for zen4c which I think was a requirement for the server grade cpus
but I didnt know it was done that way, or even possible
So it's very nice, because you can run software as 1:1 on it, while having lower power envelop

#

especially when zen4 strikes AVX512 first for amd
any business performance software wants specific tuning for it, so if you dont need to redo it, it's better investment

twin dew
dusk rivet
#

i love when my computer decides to transfer files at 1kb/s

jagged snow
#

Fun

dusk rivet
#

scratch that, make it 400bytes/s

#

it's legit just going from my c drive to d drive

jagged snow
#

Weird

dusk rivet
#

not the first time it’s happened

#

canceling and retrying doesn’t fix it so i’m trying a pc restart

#

d drive is a 1tb hdd, c drive is. a512gb m.2

#

restarting in fact did not help

jagged snow
#

Is that m.2 sata?

#

Are they sharing a controller if so?

dusk rivet
#

honestly, no idea

jagged snow
#

Some poor quality controllers struggle a lot with simultaneous reads/writes

dusk rivet
#

is there any easy way to check?

#

it's not a big deal rn cause i'm just moving a 500kb file, but if it was any bigger it'd be a total pain

jagged snow
dusk rivet
#

don't have a physical copy, it's a prebuilt and didn't come with it

#

uh lemme find the digital version

#

ok found it

#

what exactly am i looking for

jagged snow
#

Depends on the manufacturer, should be broken out where it lists the sata ports

dusk rivet
#

like this page?

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jagged snow
#

Somewhere around there

dusk rivet
#

says the m.2 is in the "M2A_CPU" slot

#

1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2260/2280/22110 PCIe 4.0 x4/x2
SSD support) (M2A_CPU)
that?

jagged snow
#

M key does indicate that it has sata support, and that slot is direct to cpu

dusk rivet
#

so is that good or bad

jagged snow
#

Shouldn't be problematic

#

Issue likely resides somewhere else

dusk rivet
#

hdd was reading 0 for the read and write speed while it was transfering if that means anything

#

(in task manager)

jagged snow
#

You could try a different sata port for the hdd if you feel inclined

#

But that sounds like a potential software issue

dusk rivet
#

would changing the sata port just be unplugging the cable from the motherboard then plugging it into another slot?

jagged snow
#

Yeah

dusk rivet
#

worth a shot

#

and i see it, different port is right next to it

#

gonna shut down the pc and try it

#

ok done

#

moving the same file it's just as slow

#

hdd does show the occasional read/write tho

#

but it's usually sitting at 0

#

ssd is reading and writing just fine

jagged snow
#

In the usage page of task manager, sort by disk usage

#

Some apps(windows update) don't actually register on the totals in the performance page for some reason

dusk rivet
#

uh it's rounding to .1mb/s for windows explorer

#

got any other ideas?

#

ok so weirdly enough, i tried another file that is 600kb, took a couple seconds

#

it's legit just that texture pack that i'm trying to transfer

#

OH

#

it's the unzipping process that's being slow, not the transfer

#

in my defense i didn't realize it was a zipped file

maiden coyote
#

Still should be faster.. most highly compressed archives should compress/decompress at >20MB/s for any remotely modern system

dusk rivet
#

is it necessarily a bad thing for an hdd to be freely floating in the drive slot, nothing necessarily holding it in place

wanton orchid
#

that's giving free corruption

maiden coyote
#

While I understand that most people probably don't understand networking like those of us in here.. a layman's analogy for it would be sueing the mail carrier because they delivered your package to the wrong person and they kept it.

#

Although not quite the same. it's similar.. you know where the mail went.. if you really don't like it, go after the person who kept it.. not the carrier.

twin dew
#

But what SSD do you then have?
I would expect based on that it to be some cheap QLC that just got too many writes in short time.

#

Or even very cheap TLC can do that.

#

Absolutely tank once pSLC is full and even more so if the drive is near full.

jagged snow
twin dew
#

M is PCIe 2x or 4x, B is SATA.
And B+M would be both.

#

Ok, another source says that M would be 4x + SATA, and B is 2x + SATA + bunch of other stuff.

#

But there isn't any "just PCIe" key if that second source is right.
And MB doesn't have to provide everything the pinout supports, and most new MBs don't provide M.2 SATA anymore.

#

AFAIK no LGA1700 MB does.

#

Both sides with specific key just have to not break themselves or the other side no matter how much of the pinout they use.

#

And Micron has started manufacturing 32Gb DDR5 dies.
So you can have 32GB single-rank DIMM, or 64GB dual-rank one.
So 128GB with two sticks.
And should clock up to 8000MT/s for XMP/EXPO with increased voltage.

#

But Micron seems to be first using those for 4R 128GB RDIMMs.

sand saddle
#

Ooooo

#

256GB for consumer platforms soon, bet CPU manufacturers don't love that considering how much extra they can charge for commercial CPUs with higher capacity for ram

twin dew
#

At least Intel has had HW (not enough address lines actually connected?) or Firmware limitations on that before.
And might have now too.

#

Not sure about AMD, if they have had artificial RAM amount limitations at any point.

#

That amount over what Intel said was supported just didn't work.
Even if you could physically connect more.

sand saddle
#

Well, we already got 192GB

twin dew
#

Which, if actually working, points to there not being such limiter this time in that specific platform.

#

Works on AMD AFAIK, no idea if people have used that on Intel platforms yet.

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But need to remember that at same time it also "doubles" (if ignoring the 24Gb die RAM) the capacity of the server platforms.

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Ah, not 4Rx8, but 2Rx4.
16 chips per rank.
At least for the 96GB RDIMMs with 24Gb chips.

sand saddle
twin dew
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The tweaks are for the frequency, as 2 DIMM per channel is 3600MT/s max officially.

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With Raphael on AM5.

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And similar for Intel on LGA1700.

sand saddle
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Yes, that's what I meant

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Maybe can get to 6000 if you get really lucky with everything and you're on smth like the z790 classified

twin dew
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Intel LGA1700 is officially just crap on 2-dimm per channel MBs, not even when the second slot per channel is in use:
That is for 14th "gen".

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sand saddle
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Yeah, but those are bs numbers with ram at 1.1V

twin dew
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5600 MT/s officially in 1-dimm, but only on the 2-slot MBs.

twin dew
#

Not related to the RAM voltage.

sand saddle
#

So they're not relevant for anyone who uses xmp or manually overclocks

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Which is what most people hopefully do

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Cuz god forbid what 1% lows they'll get at 4000 jedec

twin dew
#

And remember, those are what Intel guarantees.
Anything above is luck.

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AMD at least guarantees 5200MT/s in 2-dimm MB with 1 dimm per channel.
And says "officially" that 6000MT/s with 1 dimm per channel should work on all CPUs.

sand saddle
#

Guarantees at that IMC voltage. Put the voltage higher and the "theoretical guarantee" becomes higher

twin dew
#

And when your CPU doesn't actually do the high RAM frequency with any voltage, as it has crappy IMC from Intels very variable process?

sand saddle
#

Haven't seen it happen

twin dew
#

Like Intel marketing 8000MT/s RAM for the new 14th gen, and then two CPUs in the Igors test sample could actually do that?

sand saddle
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6000 2x1R on 12th gen is really easy, 6400 with 13th gen

sand saddle
twin dew
#

But that is the point, excessive difference between what Intel guarantees and what they market.
Where the marketing numbers are unobtainable for most.
Where as AMD marketing number is the one that should be attainable for almost everyone.

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But for both, the marketing number is unguaranteed overclock and overvolt.

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Yes, Intel works in most cases when you know to limit your expectations.
But Intel marketing is going with what golden sample CPU can do on 1DPC OC MB.

wanton orchid
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which is misleading for most yep

twin dew
#

My understanding is that it is currently easier to reach 8000MT/s with AMD on 1:2 memory clock, that Intel uses by default (Gear 2) for almost all DDR5 speeds.

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Still doesn't work on anywhere near all CPUs, but at higher percentage of them.

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Where it is revealed that that up to is only for 1 slot per channel MBs.

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AMD at least has the "full" table in the CPU marketing page spec section.

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At least Intel had updated the 14th gen to support up to 192GB of RAM in ARK.
But I really don't understand why they set them to whatever is the latest actually available number.
And not to what the CPU IMC can actually use?

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Or mark both?

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Ok, the second would be somewhat speculative, because it might also need firmware updates?

charred pewter
#

so my M1 MBP survived a restart after 10 days after being 'fixed' by apple .... thinkin maybe they replaced the nands and its good to go

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gonna open every app on the thing and let it run another uptime of 10 days, then restart it again and be sure its out of the woods

dusk rivet
pure karma
charred pewter
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nothing wrong with the 8gb M3 mac models .... hell, I could do my entire job of coding and managing with just an 8gb model. I wouldnt be able to do photoshop.... but i could deligate that to someone else 😄

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the stupidity i see about all the rants and complaints about an 8gb model offered by apple ... what, are they so entitled they think everyone should have to be forced into buying the more expensive super-gb ram models? pfft

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i applaud apple for just offering a dirt base model =p

jagged snow
charred pewter
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if apple didnt offer the 8gb model, their prices for the others would STILL be the same as they currently are

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not like they would lower all the prices cause they didnt have the 8gb model

jagged snow
charred pewter
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cause, you know, apple LOL

jagged snow
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It exists only to make the people who want to save a buck end up spending more

charred pewter
#

but thats marketing 😄 isnt the world a 'throw away' world now, where people buy new iphones each year (when they really dont need too)

jagged snow
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Doesn't mean I have to like it hehe

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Well-built tech can last decades

charred pewter
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i dunno though.... if someone is fine with the 8gb model since they dont need more, then that thing will continue to be as useful to them since the first day, for however long they use it doing whatever it is they are doing with it

jagged snow
charred pewter
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the ONLY reason i've upgraded recently ... is because my business partner demanded i get a new machine... not because i NEEDED it

jagged snow
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lol

charred pewter
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i was working fine in BBedit, and Email, and Chrome lol

jagged snow
charred pewter
#

hell, i'd still be on my old Snow Leopard laptop if it didn't stop working 😦

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lol, anyways ..... it just seems like a whole lot of outrage about an 8gb model that i quite honestly dont get what all the fuss is about. is everyone really that angry and 'looking out for others' to cause such an uproar ?

jagged snow
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I haven't seen anyone mention it except for you to be completely honest hehe

charred pewter
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speaking of apple stupidity .... macos 15 is coming soon ... and they never even fixed/finished 14

jagged snow
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15 already?

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It's barely been a year

charred pewter
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ah, ive got a lot of 'mac' reddit spew in my list

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if i just ignore all those subreddits, i wouldnt see it 😄

jagged snow
#

Reddit
That's your problem, they'll find something to complain about with any product

charred pewter
#

"Introducing World Peace" .... redditors finding faults and ragging on it

jagged snow
charred pewter
#

cutie

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DSLR ?

jagged snow
#

yep

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Digital Single-Lens Reflex

charred pewter
#

i had a Sony digital camera... super old, but i sadly left the batteries in it in the drawer, and the corrosion welded the casing shut and i couldnt get them out or clean it

jagged snow
#

Oh no!

charred pewter
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i do still have my digital Elf though

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but it never really took good pictures 😦

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my phone takes 'ok' pictures, if i can hold it steady enough grr

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tried buying one of those gyro things, didnt work lol

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actually, HOLDING my DJI drone, and using it as a 'camera' takes incredibly clear pictures since its got a built in super stable lense gyro

jagged snow
#

That's awesome

charred pewter
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... sadly takes a bit of setup to get it ready/going to take pictures lol... and with a cat, the cat has usually already gone off from what they were doing where i wanted to take a photo 😄

jagged snow
#

It took me a long while to get that one I posted above lol

twin dew
charred pewter
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😄

dire igloo
twin dew
#

But should still have been about 75MB/s even then, but that was with empty drive?

charred pewter
#

what my phone takes .... cant kep it steady for nothin

jagged snow
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Doesn't look bad 🤷‍♂️

charred pewter
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some come out ok :/

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some are just blury in general ....

pure karma
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cant be worst that my half covered by plastic camera lol

charred pewter
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duct tape special!

edgy hazel
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I got the special s9+ camera. Not the stock camera ofc. That one doesn't work properly since switching OS

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It still holds up fairly well

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pure karma
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yea id say that thing still probably beats every phone camera on everything but perhaps video focus

dusk rivet
dire igloo
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SSD almanac says it uses HMB

dusk rivet
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what's hmb?

dire igloo
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and since the SSD sits in an on-board m.2 slot, I don't see why HMB wouldn't work

dire igloo
dusk rivet
#

ah

dire igloo
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HMB doesn't work over SATA or USB, so if you're getting an SSD for use in an enclosure, make sure it has DRAM - otherwise it'll be super slow

dusk rivet
#

good to know

dire igloo
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thing is, I don't know what could be causing this issue in this instance

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maybe you're at maximum RAM capacity?

dusk rivet
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far from it

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i have 32gb of ram and have never used all of it

dire igloo
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hm, yeah, that's all I could think of rn

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how old is that drive? maybe it's at the end of its lifespan?

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also, how full?

dusk rivet
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ssd came in a prebuilt i bought in april, it has 72gb free of 462 available

dire igloo
#

I guess that's almost 85% filled. Quite full, but nothing that should cripple performance this much

maiden coyote
#

So.. how come no one told me a consumer motherboard will not fit in a 1u chassis..

twin dew
maiden coyote
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I thought we were friends.. I probably wouldn't have listened anyway... tools used: hot air station, solder, solder wick... angle grinder

uncut carbon
#

Sorry but can someone help out dunno where to else go tried Google. YouTube. Chatgpt... Trying to uninstall AMD adrenaline but on 4th try now been "uninstalling" for about 20 minutes in safe mode currently

dire igloo
uncut carbon
#

Ddu?

dire igloo
# uncut carbon Ddu?

Display Driver Uninstaller. A software made by WagnardSoft that'll uninstall your GPU drivers and the stuff attached to it

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make sure to only use it in safe mode

uncut carbon
#

Ty I'll give it a try

uncut carbon
dire igloo
#

just run with stock config

dusk rivet
jagged snow
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It's sub-optimal for sure

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Typically, you want to avoid running hdds sitting free on a hard surface like that

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It makes the more vulnerable to vibrations and external jolts

dusk rivet
#

i have an extra hdd space in my case, but none of the hardware required to mount it

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like there's no little slide thing for the hdd to sit in

jagged snow
dusk rivet
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prebuilt so it didn't come with said screws

jagged snow
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Ah

dusk rivet
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this is what it looks like

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can i buy the screws for it?

jagged snow
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Yeah, you should be able to

dusk rivet
#

are they more or less universal?

jagged snow
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yup

dusk rivet
#

perfect, thanks

charred pewter
#

theres like 4 standard screws: hdd screws (two kinds), fan screws, case screws

dusk rivet
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might throw a cheap 4tb hdd in the case to backup the stuff from my family's pc

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don't really trust them not to brick their pc

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or to not get a virus

charred pewter
#

😄 right ... i took a WD Passport (external SSD USB drive) to my mothers house and backed up her computer to it ... "just to be safe"

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stuffed it into my FireSafe™

dusk rivet
#

i have a 5tb external hdd on hand, might do start that back up real quick

charred pewter
#

her pc is sooooooo old ... still has windows 7 on it, and it runs so slow

dusk rivet
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whole family is gone for the day so it's the perfect time actually

charred pewter
#

"hee hee hee... while you were away, I snuck in and BACKED UP YOUR SHIT"

dusk rivet
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not really sneaking in when their pc is about 2 feet from mine

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starting with the very full 256gb ssd

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then moving onto the very full 1tb hdd

sharp oasis
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I love my pixel.

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And I love my bird

jagged snow
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Those are pretty great shots for a phone

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I've heard a lot of good about pixel cameras

maiden coyote
#

phone cameras are as good or better than most dlr's now

jagged snow
charred pewter
#

i still roll over laughing whenever i see one of those new iphones with the gaggle of giant lenses protruding from them

maiden coyote
#

my dlsr has way more control. yeah, but picture wise.. I can't tell the difference between it and my nikon d5100

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phone is an s21..

charred pewter
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like geezus, just buy a proper camera, and leave the phone to being slim and phone like 😄

jagged snow
#

And for the most part, optical clarity will still be better just from the larger sensor/optics

maiden coyote
#

I mean, the d5100 takes fantastic pictures, and shooting it in manual lets me get good pictures in really difficult locations

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but for point and click, or normal stuff.. phone wins

jagged snow
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Imo the phone wins only from a convenience perspective

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In a head-to head the dslr can win just based on the optics

maiden coyote
#

not really. at least not in my opinion.. granted I don't really do photog stuff anymore

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ofc.. when I went on vacation.. I took pictures with my dlsr and not my phone lol

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My 1u server build is almost done.. it needs noctua fans, and a new psu. The chassis came with a "80gold" psu.. but it has really bad coil while

charred pewter
#

what my drone takes 🙂

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maiden coyote
#

damn

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I'm so glad it comes with lead free paint.

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charred pewter
#

lead free paint 😆

jagged snow
#

Mavic 2/2s?

charred pewter
#

i REALLY wished the drone would capture in sequential order, and not come up with these rando filenames ...

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charred pewter
jagged snow
maiden coyote
# maiden coyote

still, the chassis on top of the rack was $200... it can't come with a decent psu why?

#

how big are the files?

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DJI, you spent big money on that drone..

jagged snow
charred pewter
#

and cheaper still, it was a gift from my father 😄 he bought two

maiden coyote
#

you get what you pay for, in the professional space all I see is DJI

jagged snow
#

I've been eyeing a mavic 2s for a while now

charred pewter
#

my father also has a 'bigger' drone... one that has auto-tracking, and flight avoidance and shit

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he can set it to track his car and he just drive down the road and it films him

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it will even fly back home all on its own and land if its nearing low battery ... apparently knows how much time and power it needs to head back safely

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hes big on gadgets =p

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with apparently too much money from retirement =p

jagged snow
#

That's a good way to do it 🙂

charred pewter
#

worst person to try and shop xmas gifts for, cause any silly gadget, he prolly already has it

maiden coyote
#

auto home can be bad.. there's plenty of stories of drones taking off to go home when home is many miles away

jagged snow
#

DJI's implementation is pretty solid, you can set it to either home to the controller or the launch site

wanton orchid
uncut carbon
#

@dire iglooty it worked

dire igloo
#

lovely

sharp oasis
sharp oasis
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So far

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I'll say those are some immaculate pictures for a phone to be able to take

jagged snow
#

Amd finally does in-place driver updates without needing a restart

sharp oasis
#

Actually holy shit

pure karma
#

prettymuch tech rn

#

theres a lot of good but then again everything is at a complete standstill

languid gulch
#

can't wait for cosmetic embedded fake wood to make a comeback

dire igloo
wanton orchid
#

I'm trying to find the best way to implement negative zero bitwise

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It just does not work nicely with 2's complement

dire igloo
#

why is negative zero relevant?

narrow folio
wanton orchid
#

it has to do with negative value in itself and 0 being a limit
2s complement binary operations simply ignores negative values

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2s complement trick is to always behaves as offsetting

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and as offsetting negative 0 doesn't make much sense
it's neither positive nor negative
it's only positive in the dumb default way
but it's absolutely neither

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it's neutral

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Also it bugs me there is "more value" in negative range than in positive range

#

I think it may possible to still use what I wanted to do
but it's tricky
you have to keep track of carry flag

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and most instruction sets does not seem to have a zero flag ignoring sign flag

sharp oasis
pure karma
languid gulch
#

ah yes, the first night in like 8 months it's been cool enough to have my windows open

pure karma
#

i would but its probably best i dont

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also i love how the local fishing dock is marked as land on google maps but the bridge is just literal water

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i call that a true satelite moment

fringe ivy
#

I keep having issues with my laptop due to its age (Mostly used to do things while away from my desktop and RDP). I think it may be time to send it off to be recycled. Should I keep replacing parts, or just start saving to replace it?
i7-720m, 4GB RAM

languid gulch
#

2009

fringe ivy
#

At this point I believe the heat pipes need to be replaced because the video keeps locking up and it is dumping a lot of heat out the side. I have already replaced the thermal paste, but at this stage it just feels like I keep chasing issues.

languid gulch
#

4c/8t, which was kinda high end at the time for a laptop

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your main problem is that it's so old that replacement parts are going to be expensive

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& if you do fix it for a few hundred dollars, you've now got a yet-more-expensive laptop from 2009

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also it's so old that the architecture doesn't get security updates anymore

fringe ivy
#

I'll just add it to the stack of things to send off to get recycled.

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Thanks.

languid gulch
#

yank the drive out of it, can buy a cheapo enclosure & either save the data or convert it into an easy external drive

maiden coyote
#

if it's dumping heat out the side, that doesn't sound like a problem with the heatpipes. That would indicate they're working. Hardware issues aside, old hardware lends itself well to experimenting with different operating systems, or even proxmox if it supports vt-d

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Could also use it for home assistant or whatever else

sharp oasis
dire igloo
#

Had this discussion with someone in the PCPP server, it was exhausting

twin dew
#

The 8GB would be completely fine, if the 16GB didn't cost extra 200.

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And was in line of actual cost of extra 8GB extra RAM.

jagged snow
#

@charred pewter guess people are upset ^

charred pewter
#

lol

#

bottom line: people are not upset about a base model of 8gb ... they just all upset apple is expensive as fuck

dire igloo
charred pewter
#

managers ... doctors ... book keepers ... accountants ... teachers .... all the stuff they do doesnt need a lot of ram because their apps all suck

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hell, i could even get away with doing all my web coding and business management, employee payrolls etc on a 8gb mbp

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8gb goes to shit though if you need to open photoshop, or do any sort of game testing, or video post production

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lol google chrome and discord are taking up the most of my ram right now 😉

#

its googles plan! eat up ram so people feel forced to pay apple more for more ram !

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all the while, apple's Safari on macos 14 has a memory leak which bombs the computer after awhile 😄

edgy hazel
#

use firefox

charred pewter
#

browser roulette ... which will we land on this month !

edgy hazel
wanton orchid
#

lmao

charred pewter
#

hehehehe

charred pewter
#

wow thats an hour of my life lost .... trying to mount a Time Machine capsule connected to one mac, onto another mac to be used lol ... apparently apple 'ditched' AFP, and the guides I was following was all for the days of AFP capsule sharing

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🤦 long story short .... a 'hidden' contexture menu item on something you would never think of right-clicking, was the solution to making it all work right

sharp oasis
#

I mean 8gb ram for a mobile phone I say is quite a fucken lot

#

But 8gb ram for anything other then office pcs

#

Your fucked

charred pewter
#

i wonder if apple thought 'hay maybe we can tap into the office laptop market' by offering the dirt base model "for the lowest we can accept for a mac"

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cause you know a business might not buy a bunch if they are high end models with lots of ram and cost a lot more

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but then... if a business doesnt care about their employees that much ... they would just buy a batch of DELL laptops for them =p

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or maybe its to tap into the 'status symbol kids' market ... where a bunch of college kids can now own a "MacBookPro" ... cause no one standing around can see how much ram is inside it... they just see "oooo he has a mbp oooo" ... LOL

sharp oasis
#

The dynamic of like high-school to college is always apple supremacy

dire igloo
#

lemme just throw LibreWolf into the browser discussion

#

never used it, never looked into it, someone mentioned it on the PCPP server

maiden coyote
#

8gb on any modern computer is no good. Even if its running super special macos

dusk rivet
#

16gb is the minimum comfortable amount

#

32 is the ideal, 64 is an amazing thing to have but wholly unnecessary for a vast majority of people

maiden coyote
#

Most of my machines have 16. My server has 32.. if it had 64 I'd be trying to rent it out as a dedi lol

dire igloo
#

also: it is not meant to be sold in the 8GB config.
It's meant to covertly jack up the price for the 16GB version

dire igloo
dusk rivet
#

i refuse to acknowledge anything that isn’t a power of 2

upper plinth
#

15.9GB hehe

dusk rivet
#

i simply round and move on with life

upper plinth
#

But what if you try to alloce full 16GB but then you get Memory Access Violation due to fact you rounded it to 16 bur in reality there was 15.9 thinkies

#

I should stop nkogigle

dusk rivet
#

i have 32gb of ram for that very reason

maiden coyote
dusk rivet
#

we need a mac with individually upgradable parts that the consumer can upgrade themselves

#

run out of storage? pop open a little panel, throw in a bigger m.2

dire igloo
dusk rivet
upper plinth
#

What if you can't buy more ram, and you try to allocate full amount of advertised RAM you rounded your ram to?

dire igloo
#

what if you have X-1 amount of RAM and you want to assign X amount of RAM?

maiden coyote
dusk rivet
#

ok you got me there

dire igloo
upper plinth
dusk rivet
#

but what if you don’t have the room for a pc

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or need the portability of a laptop

maiden coyote
#

Because apparently I have 31.9gb

dusk rivet
#

i do want a macbook air tho

upper plinth
#

Then you buy a laptop where you also can plonk bigger drive and more Ram by yourself :D

dusk rivet
#

so i can play 4k netflix while chilling in a plane

upper plinth
#

Oh well if you want macbook then you need to deal with Apple shenanigans sadly (Afaik, I'm not Mac expert at all)

dusk rivet
#

i don’t actually care all that much

#

if you want an apple mac, you gotta deal with their shenanigans, if you don’t wanna deal with their shenanigans, don’t buy from them

upper plinth
#

Pretty much sums it up

upper plinth