off-topic-tech

[wanton orchid]

so "hasResult" does not report positively if error
but then I'm afraid of good no result
so the opeartion succeed with no report, so it does not have result, but does not have error either

[night girder]

hasResult: false, hasError false, hasCompleted true ?

add extra flag?

or hasRun or whatever.

[wanton orchid]

I'm afraid of "well then it means everything is fine" but it's error
maybe then one should not rely on "hasResult" anyway as they are actually NOT expecting any
so they should just use "hasError" anyway no matter what "hasResult" says

note in the end people can always open the data and check what's inside if there is anything error or not

so thank you, no result when error seems the good way 👍

[night girder]

Not sure what you up to 🙂

But honestly, there is not always a correct way of coding. Just code to your own needs of the needs of people.

And it's almost impossible to read the future, so coding future-proof in a bubble is impossible. If you want feedback from other people, only making your code open source is the way. And then take feedback and modify code.

Just saying, it doesn't have to be perfect from the start whatever you code 😉

[wanton orchid]

I'm asking logic, the thing is : if the logic is good/provide the most natural informations, then "workarounds" are very easy to code
in the other way it is not possible, and any workaround will soon become very nasty

[night girder]

nasty in the sense it takes shit ton of time and you will break your code, yes. That's why you write tests 😉

[wanton orchid]

nasty as in can be very inoptimized AND unintuitive

[night girder]

My more mature private projects even have tests, so I can just refactor whatever I want. Ran the tests, everything green and I continue.

[wanton orchid]

noerror noresult : success
error (noresult)
result (noerror)

seems like fitting

:D

[night girder]

if not error = succes 😛

all the rest doesn't really matter it seems 😄

[wanton orchid]

yes I was thinking of than and editing

[night girder]

but now I am nitpicking 🙈

[wanton orchid]

but finally what I wrote programmatically works as the just result line is below and says noerror

anyway, it looks nice like that

and I wrote the checks in a efficient way

so I'm happy time to use that now

I would not report anything only if there is nothing to report

and I still have the empty result which is considered result still

so Error / NoError / EmptyResult / Result
possible states

(getData should not possibly return NoError as it should give out result even if empty one
so this is not a very good example but I'm happy with it)

[charred pewter]

got my laptop back ... UPS just left it on the porch, no knock, no signature .... yeah, a nice box with a giant apple logo sitting on a porch in the urban city ....

[narrow folio]

is the laptop working as intended now?

[charred pewter]

wont know for a week until i go to restart it

[narrow folio]

Oh

[charred pewter]

but outlook is bleek because its the exact same case (same serial, even had my sticker left on the camera) ... and the screws have not a SINGLE dent or marring on them

so im skeptical they 'fixed' anything ... they just wiped it clean and installed Sonoma on it (when i had Monteray)

[jagged snow]

Could've been an os-level bug

[charred pewter]

the laptop wasnt reaching the os

the entire problem was before it even began to access the file system

basically, it was black screening before it even KNEW there was an os on it 😄 LOL

(according to the tech at the genius bar)

[night girder]

or they did a clean job?

[charred pewter]

yeah

[winged valley]

@charred pewter What model macbook?

[charred pewter]

given the behavior (twice) of this thing, it needs a new motherboard

[winged valley]

What year?

[charred pewter]

M1 MAX 16" MBP ... uh year ...

[night girder]

Yeah, had a macbook who just shut down randomly. They replaced the mobo and all was good. Was 7-8 years ago. Maybe longer.

[charred pewter]

no clue... its going through setup right now

[winged valley]

Read the model number on the bottom case. Its formatted as A####

[night girder]

And it's not that apple has an option with their design. They have to replace almost the whole mobo for trivial stuff.

[charred pewter]

right, ram, ssd, networking, audio even, its all burned into the logicboard

[night girder]

exactly

[winged valley]

If this is the model that I think it is, then you're screwed and need to either replace the mobo (which is serialized btw) or take it to a really really good repair shop that does board level repair.

Why? Your SSD is just a couple of NAND chips soldered on and get this, Apple decided to put the BIOS into the SSD instead of on a separate SPI ROM.

Which means - Your SSD died due to wear and needs to be replaced. This is why your Macbook won't POST/boot up

Again - only if this is the model that I'm thinking of

[night girder]

Yeah, that's been posted in here before by Kade.

[winged valley]

Do NOT take it to the genius bar (or any other apple certified shop) because the best they can do is replace the mobo which will more than likely cost you more than getting it repaired

[night girder]

He also had that issue I believe and got rid of his macbook.

[charred pewter]

sorry, text is tiny, and its doing something, hard to lift it up and read it

[night girder]

my mobo got replaced for free 🤷‍♂️

because Apple said they fucked up. And replaced it.

[winged valley]

You either had applecare or it somehow fell under warranty which never happens with apple

Okay yeah wow rare

[night girder]

yeah, and also 10 years ago probably 🤣

[winged valley]

Anyways if you ever HAVE to take something to the genius bar, I would highly recommend you actually take it to a Micro Center first if there's one near you. They are apple certified (which means they are allowed to do everything the genius bar can do aka reserialize stuff) and it will generally be cheaper and faster

[night girder]

not sure if I am buying another macbook after this one. There is 0 flexibility anymore with their hardware and OS.

[charred pewter]

its the 2021 M1 max... but i bought it recently (still under warranty)

[winged valley]

I would recommend against it. The ecosystem isn't worth the headache to justify buying mac

[night girder]

All my old macbooks, I was able to recover the drive (put the harddrive into case and was able to recover data) That's no longer possible.

[winged valley]

I'm pretty sure that's the one I'm thinking of then

[charred pewter]

this is the second time its done it... and im hoping they realized its problem and DID replace the board..... but did a very clean job at it, cause i cant tell

[night girder]

You don't get a receipt or anything? That you have details what they did to it?

[winged valley]

If it breaks again my genuine advice (as someone who works in this industry) is:

Take the laptop to a nice repair shop near you that isn't apple certified and preferably one that does board level. They will be able to actually diagnose the exact problem and fix it if you wish to. @charred pewter

[charred pewter]

the letter in the box simply said "They fixed it, and installed a new OS"

[winged valley]

Unless you have applecare or you KNOW its in warranty, don't take it to apple certified. There are reports that came out recently saying some lady was charged by the genius bar just for checking her warranty.

[charred pewter]

the second time they sent it to mephis for repair... the first time they did it there at the apple store

yeah, im not going to allow them to do that, because i know when to bitch

[winged valley]

If they sent it to memphis then they probably sent it to one of their 3rd party reworking contractors which do really bad work

Also those places are supposedly only slightly better than sweatshops

[charred pewter]

its under warranty... they owe me a complete working non-lemon... free of charge. there are no exceptions, and it can easily be taken to court

that lady is simply an idiot for 'letting it happen'

[winged valley]

Yes I agree she's an idiot but the fact that Apple tried to pull that at all is not excusable

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Hwb5xvBn8

Even a good repair shop is no longer a garantuee since apple does everything in their power to mess with em.

[winged valley]

@night girder Screen replacement is still possible but you have to be skilled in reworking and know what you're doing

[charred pewter]

its an exception to the rule ... clearly someone was doing something dumb. its not in apples policy and im sure someone lost their job already

[night girder]

I watched the video fully.

[winged valley]

@charred pewter Are you a fan of apple by any chance?

[charred pewter]

nope

[winged valley]

Okay just wanted to make sure lol

[charred pewter]

i hate the direction theyve been going for years now

[night girder]

and technically you are correct. But also wrong.

[charred pewter]

their macos is shit, and more shit, and even more shit 😄

[winged valley]

I have an infernal distate for apple because of the shit they keep pulling

[night girder]

Yes, you can replace it. No, it's not made to be replaced. Like I said, Apple doesn't like 3rd parties. (software, hardware and repair) 😛

[winged valley]

Yeah its very anti repair

[night girder]

It's ridiculous at this point sadly 😦

[charred pewter]

yeah, apple wants to control every aspect... they even get pissy if you dont use one of 'their' chargers

[night girder]

Yeah, I feel more like a apple slave than a apple costumer 😅

[winged valley]

At the very least its still possible to do. Unfortunately its not practical to do unless you/your technician is already an expert on doing it. Even then its almost impractical costwise

Bc then you have to pay for that experience and knowledge and ugh

[dusk rivet]

apple isn’t quite enough of a pain in the ass to make me switch from them

[night girder]

That's it. The words I was looking for. It's doable. But not practical/cost effective.

[charred pewter]

i just know my rights under the warranty, and wouldnt let them get away with any of that shit

[night girder]

And the cool thing of the video is. It's two BRAND NEW macbooks.

[winged valley]

Yep

Serialized

[charred pewter]

im already on the fence of demanding compensation for time and money lost in travelling across town to their stupid store 😄

[night girder]

So they just swap around the screens of new macbooks, one would think it would work, but nop.

[winged valley]

I don't know the whole process by heart but what I do know is you have to transplant the LCD control chip from the LCD control board of the original screen onto the new one

[night girder]

Yeah, unless Apple is going to give back freedom to consumers, they lost me.

[night girder]

and also calibrate it.

but to calibrate, you need a tool. Which only apple has

[winged valley]

The transplant itself isn't super hard but getting to it (without breaking anything) is very hard (and then like you said calibrating the chip to the defects of the new display is a whole other beast)

I'm pretty sure RRG made a tool for it but I doubt they're releasing it

[night girder]

It's just sad tbh

[winged valley]

Apple tries to excuse serialization by saying oh its for security

Okay apple, riddle me this: What fucking security enhancement is being gained by serializing the SLEEP SENSOR in the hinges?

[charred pewter]

my wifi MAC address is exactly the same as it was before i sent it in ....

[winged valley]

Before that you could do mental gymnastics to justify their practices but like

[charred pewter]

so no hardware changed

[winged valley]

Now its just blatant

[charred pewter]

guess im going to be calling them up in a week when this bricks itself again

[winged valley]

Get your money back and take it to a shop

[charred pewter]

im not going to pay some idiot at some rando PC repair place to tinker with it

[winged valley]

Just to look at it, not to fix it

[charred pewter]

if apple cant fix it... no one can

[winged valley]

Bro what?

[jagged snow]

Apple didn't try to fix it

[winged valley]

Read this again

[charred pewter]

haha you seem to give more credit to the 'technical people of the midwest' ...

[night girder]

it's not that apple can't fix it. They just wont.

It's a difference.

[winged valley]

Oh you're in the midwest nevermind

I live on east coast we have more tech people here

[night girder]

Send it to Louis Rossmann

[charred pewter]

yet, i get earfuls from other people about how apple will sometimes even just replace the whole thing with a newer model

so, you have to see where i sit... in the middle of two extremes... no one being right, because nothing is being done as they say happens

oop, hold on

[winged valley]

You can send it to Rossmann Repair Group in Texas, they takemailins. However you have to pay for shipping both ways and it could take a while. They're very popular (due to their quality) and have longish wait times

They're also specialized in apple products

Rossmann himself is actually how I first found out about that SSD issue

[charred pewter]

it cost apple already sending it down to mephis and back ... haha... if they didnt do anything, they just wasted their own time and money 😉

[dusk rivet]

midwest has less people in general

[charred pewter]

co-worker is down in austin ... almost a tech central down there

[winged valley]

Pretty sure that's where RRG is lol

[charred pewter]

his macbookpro did something "similar" ... but he at least got a growbar during startup before it died.... they fixed his on the first trip to memphis

i couldnt even get mine to boot into recovery mode 😦

[winged valley]

I would say RRG is probably your most surefire bet to get it actually repaired. However again, if its that SSD issue, then repairing it doesn't fix it because its a design defect from Apple because they use shit NANDs

So it would just happen again

[night girder]

Rossman is a tech repair God 😄

[winged valley]

You're better off with a different model if that's the case

He himself doesn't do much repair anymore but his employees are good

[charred pewter]

fun

[night girder]

not only does he do repair, he is also active in legal and politics to advocate for repairability for everyone.

He is actrually fighting a fight, for us consumers.

[winged valley]

Letter I like rossmann too but don't suck him off too much lol

[night girder]

Ok, name someone else who does it?

GN? Linus? Jay2Cents?

[winged valley]

My point is you're going a bit too overboard

Not that someone's better

[night girder]

He is the only one with dozen of videos showing off the flaws of apple products.

he is the only one I ever seen in legal battles, like in congres etc.

[winged valley]

Ranting and raving about how good someone is in a situation like this is more likely to annoy the person out of pursuing their services than it is to convince them

[night girder]

Frigidman is always annoyed with apple.

Can't get much worst, know him well 😛

Surprised he bought the thing in the first place 🤣

[winged valley]

Yes except he also mentioned disliking independent repair techs

[night girder]

Oh wait. No. My bad. Mixing Frigid with someone else 😄

Where is that cat person.

[night girder]

Also, I am not kidding myself. The chance of someone in here actually taking advice (3rd party repair vs Apple repair) is pretty slim 😛

but that's a whole other can of worms.

[winged valley]

Unfortunate

Its funny my uncle is an apple fan but he's "open" to discussion about their shit behavior. Only whenever I corner him in a discussion about their shit repairability he just defaults to "oh well its about quality control they only want the highest quality for their customers"

Like his mind is completely closed but doesn't want to outright say it

[charred pewter]

all my mac friends are just closed ...

im gonna run this software update and let it reboot ... haha see if it bricks itself 😄

ive been so pissed off at apple lately ... their software management is just driving me nuts (what used to be a great OS, is now a pathetic play toy for morons)

and now their hardware... becoming more and more unrealiable

[night girder]

Thank you my friend 🙏

I have this feeling so much the last few years with Apple.

[charred pewter]

all my prior macs... never a single hardware issue ever ... they were like tanks

[night girder]

5 years ago I had more arguments to say why I bought an apple product.

[charred pewter]

hell, i can still boot up my Snow Leopard MBP... wonderful 17" screen... and its snappy, works, solid

[night girder]

now, I don't have any arguments anymore 🤣 The UX is slightly less annoying to me than windows.

[charred pewter]

i dunno, apple is fast approaching the 'lets make the UI a kiosk for kindergarteners' ...

[night girder]

and all my music is in a iTunes library. And it (was) a clean UX? Untill they messed up the system preferences 😒

[charred pewter]

i mean how much bigger can they make title bars ffs

[night girder]

I am mostly pissed of how they messed up system settings.

and for 2 years or more, they did 0 fixes and no improvements.

They just implemented a half baked feature and gave emself a pat on the back.

[charred pewter]

its different ... i never was a fan of the old way, as i always found i was fishing in a sea of icons trying to find what i was looking for

now its just a list of icons instead of a sea lol

[night girder]

now you fighting a list ...

🤣

and you cannot even resize the thing???

[charred pewter]

and whats up with all the new folder icons? what happened to the clean look in 10.15 ??

[night girder]

Why do I have to use a iphone UI on a laptop with a bigger screen?

[charred pewter]

you could never resize the original preferences panel 😄

[hollow oak]

Apple has built their systems to try to get as much money as possible. They work pretty great with each other until they don't. It's starting to approach the "not even worth it" catagory.

[night girder]

in 10 years. Apple will have 1 OS for both phones and laptops.

[charred pewter]

least you CAN increase the 'height' of the system prefs list panel

[night girder]

and forget resizing windows and all the extras.

[charred pewter]

yeah

[hollow oak]

I'm sure black hats will love that. less work for them I guess

[charred pewter]

it will all just plop center screen on top of each other

[jagged snow]

In 10 years, we'll all just be docking our phones for desktop use

[charred pewter]

force you into big screen mode with the most backward way of UX imaginable

[night girder]

it looks weird 😒

[night girder]

that's my dream tbh. One less device.

[jagged snow]

I'd rather see my phone become essentially a streaming box for my desktop

[charred pewter]

ray tracing on an iphone game

🤦

[night girder]

Eh, I wouldn't mind if my phone was also my laptop 😄

[jagged snow]

Imagine the battery life if you could shave 10w off every phone

[charred pewter]

if a computer became powerful enough to be the size of a phone, and you just plop it into a dock for a full sized monitor, keyboard, mouse ... i wouldnt be against it

[jagged snow]

In my mind, that's not and has never been the purpose of a portable device, even a laptop

[jagged snow]

My biggest gripe once we reach that state is repairability

[charred pewter]

people are so used to throwing stuff away and buying a new thing

[night girder]

Who knows? Maybe we get a new brand with a focus on consumers and repairability?

[hollow oak]

Let's just get an implant in our brain, why even need pc when you can be pc?

[night girder]

What is that laptop brand again. Modular or something?

[jagged snow]

Framework?

[charred pewter]

so other than a (better) System Preferences ... whats different in Ventura over Monteray? ... cause everything else i 'see' is just as crappy as monteray was

[night girder]

I don't have experience. But it's interesting to see how this develops*.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I'm a big fan of the project

I've been on the hunt for a new laptop and considering one of those

They're just pretty pricey

[night girder]

The concept is really interesting. And if they can pull this off, it will open new doors for consumers.

hehe, I just found pictures of a laptop. But it's actually a shell where you put in your Pi 🤣

[hollow oak]

So, basically a Chrome book, but better

[winged valley]

A more open schomebook very interesting

Personally I think framework's idea is pretty cool

[jagged snow]

Speaking of, I tried ChromeOS Flex for a relative for the first time, pretty impressed actually.

They've been using it for a couple months now with no issues

[winged valley]

You're impressed with a glorified web browser?

[jagged snow]

Yep.

[winged valley]

Neat

[night girder]

Yeah, because you slide it open and dust it out pretty easily 🤣

[jagged snow]

Yeah. It seems much better at idle power management than windows, and handles 32bit a lot better

[night girder]

While I don't want to be a tinfoil hatter, the fact it's from Google makes me weary. Let me explain, I believe, Google has too much power in the tech world 🤣 So anything Google and I am not hooked to it yet, I stay away 😄

[jagged snow]

I'm completely with you on that. I'm working on transitioning away from google on a lot of platforms.

[night girder]

so if it wasn't from Google or didn't use Chrome, I would test it out.

[jagged snow]

However, for somebody that watches youtube and checks their email, I figured it was a better solution than linux.

[hollow oak]

I mean, you're not wrong. but same could be said on both Microsoft and Apple in that sense.

[jagged snow]

Open source or die

[hollow oak]

Guess I'll die, too lazy lol

[night girder]

And I feel the same about those. But I try to not start my Microsoft rant. (ranted pretty hard on em a few weeks ago, reaaaly hard) 🤣

[hollow oak]

I could go on rants about both Microsoft and Apple. but I try not too. apparently some people really like one of the two.

[night girder]

What features did you miss that Linux didn't offer? Or was the UX not pleasant? Too high learning curve?

[jagged snow]

The featureset is much better on linux. The reason that I went with ChromeOS was because there's a lot less for them to break and then ask me to fix.

There's not really any danger of malware and they can't mess up the system configuration too badly.

So pretty much linux was too powerful

[hollow oak]

Not exactly the reason why you don't worry about malware in that sense, but I get what you're saying.

[winged valley]

KDE Plasma, XFCE, Gnome. Those are the 3 desktop environments I know for linux but I also know that XFCE is terrible and looks awful

And Gnome is pretending to be mac

[night girder]

Just know that ChromeOS, when it comes to security, is a newborn baby. And Linux is a old and tested.

[charred pewter]

now i do have to say ... restoring my laptop back to what i had all on it and setup ... was surprisingly simple especially given it was going from 12 to 13 in the same process

[jagged snow]

That's very true

[winged valley]

@night girder NT (Windows) is also old and tested. Linux is "so much more secure" because its open and not a janky mess like NT is

[night girder]

So, aslong as you know what you are doing with Linux, you should be safe. But like any OS. An OS can't cure the stupidness of it's users 🤣

[charred pewter]

apparently the 'migration' tool works fine from a full superduper backup ssd

i mean, it even restored (migrated) my homebrew install of PHP

[night girder]

what I mean with this is stupid stuff like sudo 1234 🤦‍♂️

[jagged snow]

Yup
I disabled the ability to run native linux applications, so it can run chrome extensions and android apps but nothing else

[hollow oak]

Speaking of restoring laptops. Just a quick rant. Why do companies like HP, Dell etc. put in so much bloatware? it's rather frustrating.

[charred pewter]

sudo su 1234 lloll

[charred pewter]

it exists on mac too ... lots of extra apps in here i never intend on running

[night girder]

because they paid developers to make that bloatware 🤣

[jagged snow]

@night girder if you aren't a fan, look into ChromiumOS

It's pretty much exactly what it sounds like

[hollow oak]

Oh, I know, that's my point lol. And so many of them just run in the background doing virtually nothing

[winged valley]

Win10 Debloater Master on github or use ADWCleaner or Revo or BCU (wouldn't recommend using BCU for that)

[night girder]

when I installed W11 I got stuff like LinkedIn, instagram etc all installed.

I don't have any of that shit.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, they pay big moeny to ms for those default install spots

[hollow oak]

oh I just do a fresh windows install. I need to do that on my PC, but I don't feel like reinstalling everything again.

[night girder]

Didn't have the time to clean it up. But that's a clean install of W11 menu.

[winged valley]

They aren't actual apps iirc they're just edge shortcuts

[jagged snow]

That's why I typically install windows n

[jagged snow]

Some are, some aren't

[night girder]

Not all of them. And still obnoxious if you ask me.

[winged valley]

O

Yeah still bad

[night girder]

I don't have an Xbox. Wtf is clipchamp?

[jagged snow]

Microsoft freemium video editing software

[night girder]

but ... why? 🤣

[winged valley]

its actually decent weirdly

[night girder]

Ok, and that's fair.

[jagged snow]

They took features that used to be avaliable in the default photos and videos app in windows and locked it behind a subscription in clipchamp

[night girder]

But I am more a person of "opt-in" and not "opt-out". For ads. For programs. For mails. For anything.

[hollow oak]

yeah but that doesn't sell. thanks capitalism

[night girder]

I love "opt-in". I spend hours disabling settings in windows. Why not give people an option to disable everything at installation and let them opt-in?

and if you want, they can do an installation with default, like how it is now.

[sharp oasis]

Bc fuck you. That's prolly why.

[night girder]

Then both parties are happy. But that's way too much work for Microsoft. So yeah ...

[sharp oasis]

Yeah.

I've opted out for all telemetry and shit

[jagged snow]

@night girder they charge you a subscription to output any video above 2k even though it's all done locally

[sharp oasis]

Then I bought a Google pixel. xD

[jagged snow]

Along with some other features behind that paywall

[hollow oak]

at least they have good cameras.

[sharp oasis]

I just use davinci resolve

[sharp oasis]

And decent processing power

[jagged snow]

They're way too cloud-dependant for my liking

[hollow oak]

probably still better then iPhone 15's

[sharp oasis]

It's an older pixel dw

Pixel 6 pro

Bought referb to get off my Motorola

The one I bought is comparable to a iPhone 12 pro

For processing power

[night girder]

https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder

[jagged snow]

I wouldn't go that far, just install 11n

[night girder]

You do have a project to build a trimmed down W11 installer. But again, it's the community who has to put in the work.

[jagged snow]

Tiny11 is missing a lot

[night girder]

And the community is doing this "blind" a.k.a. without a lot of official documentation.

[jagged snow]

It's the absolute bare minimum nececary for the os to function

[night girder]

Yeah, I am not recommending it Fight. But I am just giving an example that it's possible AND that the community did it.

So that just proofs to me that Microsoft have no excuse to not offer us such a feature.

[jagged snow]

I've used tiny10 quite a bit

It's good in some specific scenarios

[hollow oak]

Yes they do. It's not a good excuse, but it is one. #money

[night girder]

I didn't do it because I was afraid too much stuff would be broke.

[sharp oasis]

But I do think it's kinda funny @hollow oak I'm buying a phone that isint too far off my dads motorola thinkphone for around half the price

[night girder]

That's not an excuse. That's greed.

[hollow oak]

being with how many bugs they just let live in their OS, I doubt that lol

[night girder]

If Microsoft was piss poor, and said: "we need money" then I agree, it's a good excuse.

but that's not reality 😄

[night girder]

Bugs? What bugs?

[hollow oak]

I did preface saying it wasn't a good excuse lol

[night girder]

Yeah I know ^^

[hollow oak]

there is no war in ba sing se

[sharp oasis]

I find it funny that my little sister finds bing more useful at finding shit then Google

[hollow oak]

hey, good on ya lol. I'm a simpleton when it comes to phones. Don't pay that much attention to them, I just don't buy apple.

[night girder]

I even disable Microsoft printer services/features because I know they can be vulnerable 🤣

[hollow oak]

there is a reason for that lol. Google isn't actually that great.

[tough owl]

👀

[night girder]

Well google was great.

[sharp oasis]

I just wanted to buy something that's actually gonna work properly vs my current phone unable to make calls 90%. Of the time

[hollow oak]

I want to be vulnerable... wait what?

[hollow oak]

was great, I'll give you that

[sharp oasis]

And well I put in wayyyy to much research on what I wanted to buy.

[hollow oak]

just like america was great, now it's a shit show lol

[hollow oak]

phones these days are expensive, don't blame you for putting in research

[night girder]

www.theverge.com/2021/7/2/22560435/microsoft-printnightmare-windows-print-spooler-service-vulnerability-exploit-0-day

tl;dr -> "it allows attackers to remotely execute code with system-level privileges, which is as critical and problematic as you can get in Windows."

[hollow oak]

I will say, Microsoft is usually pretty good about fixing major vulnerabilities pretty fast. However, they usually accidently make some more while doing so.

[night girder]

Yeah, they do their best. It's just not that I expect a printing service to be hackable in the first place 😉

[hollow oak]

anything is hackable if you try hard enough.

[night girder]

I don't think you can get system-level priviliges by hacking for example notepad or something. But I don't know that for sure.

[hollow oak]

don't know till you try I guess lol.

[dusk rivet]

my airgapped usb drive inside a 10inch lead sphere says otherwise

[charred pewter]

let me introduce you to Jason

he hacks anything

[charred pewter]

@night girder wow, this new System Preferences is just so nice... all ordered in a list, easily scanable, can find things, a clear spot to type a search word with actual results that match stuff... this is just awesome

[night girder]

It's halloween, not April the 1st.

This is what irks me. The whole left space is LOST space, since the menu stays there.

Ah sorry for the weird image format. New paint, gotta get used to it

While on the old preferences, you had a sea of space for information.

[charred pewter]

lol

[night girder]

I still don't think pushing phone/iPad UI onto a laptop is a good idea. The whole purpose of a computer is having a lot of read space . I can size windows etc to create ideal workflows.

But I do see if they have to maintain one System settings for both the phone and laptop (since the code is now the same) it reduces costs for them. That's the main reason.

[tough owl]

This is so much better that the new settings app

[night girder]

It's not for our benefit, I don't believe it.

[charred pewter]

I know how to trigger Letterdeif 😄

[night girder]

I personally like it. The same I still like control panel for windows. Same reason. BUT atleast windows let me resize the window of the settings 😄

[tough owl]

I hate it

After how long of the original layout to change it with something worse

[night girder]

fully agree.

The thing that surprised me is, that people actually went along with it. I though the community would push back.

[tough owl]

I don’t use settings app much anyway so it’s not that bad but still annoying

[charred pewter]

thats the part that is confusing .... it was years the "pile of crap" that isnt been ... then they decided to just redo it all. BUT.... they didnt like put any thought behind the redo?!?! like why did they take any time at all then if they were not going to plan it out better

[tough owl]

Old habits die young

Or whatever it is

[night girder]

Also one of my feelings.

[charred pewter]

for me, i'd rather not do anything, than half ass something ... cause half assing is still a waste of time

[night girder]

If they did this feature with more smart, and more features. Like give us an option to sort the list alphabetic out of the box.

Gives us an option of wider window. Maybe give us a option to get old UI? You know me. I like giving options 😄

[charred pewter]

Apple: "TAKE AWAY THE OPTIONS!" ... 🔨

[night girder]

Or even crazier: let users drag and drop settings into groups. So you can group the settings yourself the way you want.

If you think an option under "General" should be under "Display" it would be cool that we could drop and drag it or something. It would be innovating. It will probably be a bad feature that fails. But better than not trying anything fresh and new 😄

[night girder]

Every big tech company: "Our consumers are tech illiterate. So less options, less confusion, better UX. Also less maintenance, less code, less developers, more money"

And then you have Linux 🤣

[charred pewter]

isnt linux the opposite of all that? too many features, too much code, too many developers, no money, no UX ?

[night girder]

you cannot generalize Linux. Every distro is different. Some distro's are out of the box. Some are hard etc.

[charred pewter]

i mean, if we are talking "piles of crap" ... linux takes the cake

[dusk rivet]

linux is really too diversified to make generalized statements

[night girder]

Again, you are correct. But not when it comes to Linux distrobutions itself.

[charred pewter]

granted im annoyed with ubunto

[night girder]

You cannot say that. There are distro's that are "hard" to set up (arch, which isn't true either) and some are really consumer friendly like "ubuntu" or so I heard.

Some will be opt-in, some are opt-out etc.

Some have an UI, some give you the option for an UI. Linux is very hard to pin down since it's such a wide variety.

The biggest difference is this imo: Linux gives power to the people (and also responsibility) and other OS have the habit to father/mother their consumers and protect them.

[dusk rivet]

is apple’s “unified memory” ram or vram

[night girder]

euh, google? 😛

[dire igloo]

Probably both

[night girder]

it's not vram it seems? (I think they just don't want to name it like that and are being Apple calling it something "special").

[dusk rivet]

oh it’s apple being weird

[night girder]

I am not familiar with the subject so I am doing a little bit of reading.

"The memory architecture brings together the memory resource available for both the CPU and GPU. This would traditional by split between RAM and vRAM respectively. "

"Instead, the CPU and GPU cores can access the same memory from the same resource avoiding the needs for data to be communicated between different memory locations. The result is improved performance and efficiency."

So it reads to me, that they don't have VRAM (not ram on GPU) but that the GPU and CPU can access the DRAM at the same time.

Can it be because VRAM technology might be patented? And they can't use it because of corpo wars?

[hollow oak]

just use snipping tool lol

oh wait that was apple nvm

I'm not braining today my apologies

[night girder]

Windows has it too 😉

[hollow oak]

I use snipping tool a LOT

[night girder]

bound to prnt screen by default

[hollow oak]

Windows+shift+S is a life saver

[night girder]

oh, that's another one. Weird.

Ah well, can never have enough shortcuts to snippet tool 😄

[hollow oak]

right?

I learned something today also lol. My keyboard at work doesn't have printscreen, but it does have a snipping tool shortcut for F7.

[night girder]

interesting, maybe someone set it up to be F7?

[hollow oak]

idk, Logitech has always been weird as is imo

[night girder]

True, but their hardware isn't that bad.

[hollow oak]

it really isn't. just do things slightly differently

[night girder]

Not great either before I get shot down by Frigid. 😉

logic is great for office stuff I think 😄

[charred pewter]

just spent 20 minutes trying to find the sliders for when to turn the display 'off' on battery/adaptor ... why on earth is it under "Lock Screen" prefs ... lol

[night girder]

I though you said you liked the new settings?

[hollow oak]

though I wish this scroll wheel was on my gaming mouse. it's roll is hella loose and just ziiinnnggggss lol

[charred pewter]

i was just triggering you 😄

[night girder]

And you have a search box.

I mean, what more can Apple do? Oh wait. "If it isn't broke, don't fix it?"

[charred pewter]

fun fact... 'turn display off' results in nothing

[night girder]

Frigid, try this: shut down your macbook and try to clean the keys.

[charred pewter]

ha

[hollow oak]

or

try this

[night girder]

Whenever I touch a single button, the macbook boots up 🤦‍♂️

[charred pewter]

if i shutdown my mac, it wont come back on !!!

[hollow oak]

sell apple bs, get something better lol

[night girder]

if I shutdown my mac, it keeps turning on!!!!

at first I though I maybe pressed the power button but no, it's just every single button.

[charred pewter]

why are you pushing keys when you wanted the mac off

[night girder]

so I can't clean my keyboard without random typing in stuff 😦

[hollow oak]

why want mac off? mac always turned on

[night girder]

cleaning the keys? I take some cloth and I wrub it over the key?

[hollow oak]

we are supposed to clean those?

[charred pewter]

you're SUPPOSED to open up Messages.app, and THEN clean your keyboard like normal people do ...

[night girder]

🤣

[hollow oak]

then send it to your boss, let chaos ensue

[night girder]

And I was thinking: let me remove the battery. OH WAIT. It's a macbook

[charred pewter]

with autocorrect, you will write novels

[night girder]

Oh I got an idea!

[hollow oak]

sad but true

[night girder]

if I just let the battery drain. then it can't turn on.

[hollow oak]

that's how twilight was written

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[hollow oak]

somehow turns on.... WHY IS MY MAC HAUNTED

[night girder]

Joking aside, I was not amused 🤣 - "I can't even fucking turn this thing off whenever I want. Can't even clean it. Fuck you Apple"

[hollow oak]

just another addition to the list of why I dislike apple

I can't say I hate apple really, but I really don't like working on them as an IT...

[night girder]

I might have found a fix for it. Didn't test it yet.

[night girder]

hate is a strong word, but at times like that, when i just want to do something so mundane as cleaning a keyboard, and stuff isn't going as how I expect it, I get annoyed.

What if I had to clean 100 macbooks and I was constantly struggling to keep em shut off? Or I had to open notepad. But even then, sometimes you enter shortcuts and stuff hapens. It's annoying.

[hollow oak]

As a person that works on computers, hate isn't that strong of word.

[charred pewter]

i get so annoyed by apples insistence to waste screen realestate with no good reason

[night girder]

that's what it. I was looking for those words, "screen realestate"

[night girder]

and there is a reason, just not for us

I really think they are pushing for one* OS for all their devices to reduce costs etc.

[charred pewter]

their new Mail.app changes has a bunch of extra shit in the sidebar i cant hide or disable ... making it scroll now

[hollow oak]

Trying to do anything related to trying to fix apple stuff is borderline nightmare. They make things way more difficult then it has to be. All because they want people to get "apple certified" or send it to apple whatever so they can just get more money from their products

[charred pewter]

really thinking of switching to a 3rd party mail program

[night girder]

We had another person saying that earlier Deathren, I agree with you 🙂

[hollow oak]

Like, when Apple anything works, it works pretty well in it's own environment. I'll give them that. but god forbid you want to have a gaming PC in the mix and everything loses its mind

[night girder]

same here, I am testing out protonmail. It's a swiss mail thingy with a focus on privacy. But you have to pay for their mail client or mail bridge. You cannot add protonmail account to the mail.app for example. This has to do with encryption and secuirty.

[hollow oak]

You lost me at "pay"

[night girder]

their web browser mail is totally freee though, for x amount of mails.

[charred pewter]

yet strangely we've had a lot of fraud from people using protonmail to signup with lol

[night girder]

Good enough for a spam mail adress 😄 (to receive spam on, not send!)

[charred pewter]

so protonmail is on our 'high risk' list

[hollow oak]

so, now people are making a email apps behind a paywall got it lol

[night girder]

Don't be so quick to dismiss them. What I've read of it, they have legit reasons. If it's for privacy and security I understand you need a piece of code. And since they are independent and have to compete with stuff like Outlook and Gmail, I also understand they need money somehow.

They have a free tier. And they have a paid tier. And ofcourse the paid tier has more features.

Then again, I am testing it out, so can be that I find stuff that pisses me off. But so far so good. And I use it to receive spam on. So if I don't trust a website with my main mail adress, then I use the proton one.

[hollow oak]

I can barely afford rent, I can't afford to get an email app. #brokeproblems

[night girder]

understandable 🙂

[hollow oak]

I'd more likely look into something like that if I was trying to get a small business going maybe. But that would depend on its capabilities in a business sense

[night girder]

it's not that Gmail is bad. Not at all. It does it's thing. Just wanted to test out other providers.

but if one wants to disconnect from big tech, what other options are there?

[hollow oak]

There aren't much. that's the problem with how things are done. if something really gets going and takes off, someone like Microsoft or Elon Musk buys it and ruins it

[jagged snow]

Self-host & thunderbird

[night girder]

thunderbird = firefox Mozilla?

[jagged snow]

Yeah

Very good, switched over to it a little while ago. Handles multiple addresses better than any other client I've ever used

[night girder]

and self hosting means having a server? Or how does that work?

[jagged snow]

Yup, you need a server & a domain

[night girder]

Mhm, can be expensive

[jagged snow]

Not to host email

[night girder]

eh, electricity, server, domain, security (if you are worried about that), ...

[hollow oak]

Now a days, owning your own server isn't even really worth it. Most companies are switching over to cloud hosting. Which, I think has it's own pros and cons. Just less maintenance on your side.

[night girder]

I rather pay a provider to do it for me 😄

although, the technical part really intrigues me.

Just to implement it and learn how it all works 🤔

[hollow oak]

what? setting up a server? if you're using Windows Server it's pretty straight forward for the most part. It really depends on what you're trying to do with it. A mail server is super easy, just expensive especially for the network gear you should have in front of it.

[jagged snow]

I'd guess $50 for setup and less than $20/yr after depending on electricity costs

[jagged snow]

For a low-traffic mail server a software firewall is adequate

[night girder]

Saw a defcon conference about how someone hacked a provider and was able to send emails on others people behalve. And even spam. So everyone who was registered to the provider, the hackers could use their mail and send spam. But when they started to explain the technical details I was very interested.

[hollow oak]

yeah for low traffic. But a high traffic is more fun to do

[jagged snow]

There's no point for personal use

[hollow oak]

I'm aware

really, for personal use, there's really no reason to even host your own. Unless you just have the money and are bored lol

[night girder]

but right now my gmail is free, so I really don't want to add extra costs for mail. At this point.

and I don't want to open my NAS to the internet.

[jagged snow]

Getting away from big tech is a pretty reasonable cause imo

[night girder]

hehe, lifewire article suggests to use 10 Minute Mail as a provider

Let me make a steam account with 10 minute mail

[night girder]

a raspberry pi isn't that expensive

[hollow oak]

they are starting to be lol

or at least where when I last looked

[night girder]

pi 5 is releasing soon

[charred pewter]

🥧 🥧 🥧 🥧 🥧

10minutemail? thats another on the 'high risk' chart

not that the service is bad, but rather people who do bad shit use the service

[night girder]

disposable mail, it's blocked a lot for account creation

[charred pewter]

yup

[maiden coyote]

can't wait to not get one.

I ordered a CM4&carrier board 6 months ago.. mouser says it might ship by december.

also don't set up your own mail server unless you know what you're doing... and if you do.. you'll have it on an isolated VLAN..

otherwise if you do and you don't know what you're doing... this is what happens when you open ports up to the internet..

[visual tree]

When are we getting a star trek transporter? I don't have time waiting for a train that's more than 30 minutes late....

[dusk rivet]

low profile switches do actually have a lower activation distance right?

i'm not going insane right?

ok they do

not completely insane luckily enough

[dire igloo]

Sometimes their total height is lower than other switches activation distance, so yeah, they have to

[winged valley]

You can for the most part safely open a port if a game server is always listening on it right?

My udnerstanding is that you can't have multiple devices listen on a single port

[maiden coyote]

if you trust that gameserver sure

[maiden coyote]

I think satis is pretty good about dropping packets if it receives an invalid frame.. like someone looking for open ports

[twin dew]

Like all IGPs?
Since ages ago?

[twin dew]

Both x86 and ARM.

[narrow folio]

the bandwidth for the M chips is higher than the usual dual channel DDR, especially the max and ultra version.
I haven't read much about the latency, but as the lines are rather short it may also be a bit quicker too

[edgy hazel]

Kind of yeah

But there are a LOT of super cheap phones that still get the job done or you could get like an Samsung A14 which goes for ~130€

[twin dew]

Yes, but not relevant to the RAM used for both CPU and GPU part when the GPU is IGP.
And the RAM is just standard LPDDR5.
Just more channels in the higher spec versions like with Xeon and Epyc.

[reef onyx]

off topic pc upgrade quesh:

i have a 9th gen Corei5 (9600kf) and i wanna make an upgrade to the LGA1700 socket
Should i get a 9th gen i9 instead? Or will getting any reasonable LGA1700 cpu will be better (similar or better than my current one)
I'm using this thing for blender and satisfactory mainly

[twin dew]

128 bit per M2 "chiplet" that Apple is then tiling several, with up to 8 of those as single CPU for the Ultra.

[reef onyx]

Ping me when replying so i notice

[twin dew]

Sorry, M2 is 128 bit, M2 Pro is 256 bit, M2 Max is 512 bit and M2 Ultra is two M2 Maxes for 1024 bit.
Single normal DDR5 channel is 2x32bit for 64 bit.
Normal LPDDR5 channel is 1x32bit IIRC.

So only difference from normal LPDDR5 in laptops now is the amount of channels in the higher end versions of the M2.

And that Apple has probably tuned the memory latencies more compared to just JEDEC spec.

The new Threadripper 7000 Pros will have similar memory bandwidth with the 8 channels of DDR5.
And current Epycs have 12 channels, but at lower frequency (normally).

Whops, The Ultra will have total of 16 channels?

Not 8, Max has 8 equivalent.

[twin dew]

Depends on how much the Blender performance matters compared to budget.
And how much power efficiency matters.

And how you balance the game performance to blender performance to cost.
And what games matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oALfgsyOg4

[edgy hazel]

550W for a cpu

[twin dew]

That was whole computer.

For HUB.

[edgy hazel]

Oh well

[twin dew]

GN does component level power measurements, HUB only from wall.

[edgy hazel]

550W for a pc

I just bought this CPU. Why is it already the oldest one on the chart

[reef onyx]

there isn't any 9th gen cpus here
From that graph though it makes more sense to get the cheapest i5 lga1700 cpu because even it will perform better than my current setup, and i can upgrade later, thank you!

[edgy hazel]

LGA1700 is dead tho

iirc the 14th Gen will be the last one on that socket

[twin dew]

Ah, about upgrading just CPU on your current platform.
Thought it was about which LGA1700 CPU to get.

For comparing to 9th gen, need to go in steps or check some other reviews.

That upgrading on same MB depends if you CAN get used better 9th gen CPU for cheap from somewhere.

[reef onyx]

I can but a used i9 costs the same as an i5 12600 so there's no competition

And getting a better MB would be worth it for extra ram and pcie slots i will gain

[dire igloo]

Do not sink any more money into that old platform

[reef onyx]

Folks have already figured it out, thanks!

[pure karma]

now you get to feel how i felt when you called my 10700F old and slow lol

[edgy hazel]

Wasn't 10th gen kinda shit?

[pure karma]

i mean 8th and 9th gen i consider to be absolute jokes

so meh

[edgy hazel]

8th Gen was nice

[pure karma]

went from a 7700k to a 10700F so it was an upgrade but overall probably mid choice

its nice cuz its power efficient

but speed is starting to be mid

[dire igloo]

First time Intel had more than 4 cores in a desktop CPU

[edgy hazel]

I'm just gonna ride my 5800x3D until it can't keep up anymore

[edgy hazel]

Yeah 8th Gen was kinda good in my memory

[dire igloo]

Then just upgrade monitor resolution and GPU and you're still good to go

[edgy hazel]

I mean I'm biased, I had an 8600K

[dire igloo]

It was Intel's desperate response to Ryzen

[pure karma]

i think 8th gen was praised for said core count upgrade mostly

but 9th gen just kinda exists

[edgy hazel]

But that mf still ran until end of last year

I got my 5800x3D in November last year. Before that I was still on my 8600K

[pure karma]

yea crazy how older hardware outperforms newer hardware very owften

[dire igloo]

AMD announced Ryzen with similar performance to 6900X for half the price.
Everyone laughed, Ryzen delivered.

Intel had 7th gen in the making and released it around the same time, so there was nothing they could do in response.

Then Intel came around with 8th gen where they finally gave Ryzen SOME competition

[edgy hazel]

Not really outperform, it just still did its job well enough

[pure karma]

benched my 2016 R6 agains my 2020 R11 and the R6 Won whitout any cooling too

[dire igloo]

5800X3D beats 14900K in multiple games

[pure karma]

7700k and GTX 1070 vs 10700F and 1660 super and the 1070 doubled the 1660's performance output

[edgy hazel]

Tbh I don't care that much about performance. It just needs to run my games at playable framerates and nice graphics. Silence would be nice too

[pure karma]

to be honest felt weird seeing good performance whitout a single fan spinning again when i ran that

decided to run furmark on the R6 and manually turned off all the fans and after 4 hours straight the GPU peaked at 87C

cpu dident exceed 60C

[edgy hazel]

Yeah that's throttling

[sand saddle]

@reef onyx If you don't use blender for physics simulations, it's unlikely you're rendering anything with the cpu.

[reef onyx]

Heard this one before I'm both using physics and rendering using both gpu and cpu

Who started this myth anyway that you can only use either?

[sand saddle]

As most people do 3D stuff in blender, you use gpu for that.

[twin dew]

Depending on accuracy wanted for that.

[pure karma]

im just gonna act like i havent had 0% battery for like 40 minutes now

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-really-good-system-we-got-going-on-here-clintus-mcgintus-clintus-tv-good-system-good-routine-gif-18466732

voltage is quite low so its probably just confused

should be at around 13.1V

[twin dew]

You are on battery power?
Would seem that the protection circuits in the specific battery might not be working properly, and you might be causing major damage to the battery right now.

The cutoff for Li-ion isn't when it cannot give power, but before it starts to take long term damage from the discharge to too low level.

[pure karma]

could be cuz the operating range is normally live 12.5-13.15V ish

[twin dew]

Or just bad calibration and hasn't hit the low voltage threshold yet.

You are at that end knee where the voltage drops.

Probably three cells in series battery.

[pure karma]

cuz yea its not reading anything and battery life tests pass

[twin dew]

That battery percentage is just calculation.

Because as you see from that chart, the voltage cannot be used to determine the charge outside the almost full and almost empty.

The machine tries to keep track how much power has been used since last charge to full.

[pure karma]

i wonder if the values have just become inaccurate from age instead of only wear

cuz im prettysure this battery has only about 2000 hours on it

[twin dew]

That is what I meant with the calibration.
Many laptops have a calibration test that you run that fills the battery, empties it, and then charges again, to calibrate how much capacity it has left and how it reacts to discharging.

It does runtime calibration too, where that full charge capacity drop is from.

But that isn't as accurate.

[pure karma]

yea this one dosent only a battery life test

its also old and slow

turbos a whopping 2GHZ lol

[twin dew]

But point is: Any lithium-ion or subtype battery percentage is just questimate, not accurate value.

Based on runtime power usage tracking.

[wanton orchid]

the most reliable way to calculate it is having a very accurate guess at how much power you draw and so how much power you drawn too

and putting battery temperature and ambiant temperature in the mix

So that's :

• instantaneous tension
• tension
• instantaneous draw
• draw
• past draw
• temperature
• battery temperature
• past temperature
• past battery temperature
• a compressed memory of all these from the past battery cycles / pattern
  that you need to do accurate guess

then you know the battery health
then you know it's current state accurately

the most healthy way to deal with battery would require inputs from the user planned use cases
that's why some phone use user use cases and calendar to manage battery life

[pure karma]

its very probable that the low battery protection just dosent work because it turns off for low battery but then turns back on whitout issues for like another hour except the service light turns on

just plugged it in and the service light disapeared instantly so its even more likely to be that

[twin dew]

So you are for some reason intentionally killing the battery?

Instead of just plugging the thing to AC power?

[charred pewter]

dangit, im not having luck with hardware these days ... that sabrent SSD external enclosure i got sunday ... its acting up today, ssd unmounts if it mounts, or doesnt mount at all when plugged in.

swapped drive with my other sabrent enclosure, and it fires right up and fine

back to amazon it goes!

the Crucial SSD is working fine though in my OLD enclosure ... so its not the SSD (thankfully)

[edgy hazel]

Yeah trolling again

[pure karma]

what do you want me to do make a plug apear out of the ground

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-is-an-honored-profession-leland-townsend-evil-the-demon-of-memes-trolling-is-a-respectable-career-gif-26018384

[edgy hazel]

1. Plug it in OR 2. Shut it down

[pure karma]

thats what i did

wanted until i could plug it

whit a 3W power consumption i dont see this thing killing this battery or atleast not fast lol

[twin dew]

That tells me you know nothing about Li-ion batteries.

[pure karma]

well yea isent it obvious

i dident take a class in batteriollogie or whatever

[jagged snow]

From what I've seen, you don't take the time to do your research on issues beforehand and just charge in assuming you'll figure it out and end up breaking stuff

you're sol when it comes to people wanting to help you I think

[pure karma]

well i havent broken anything tech related or atleast not yet so id say im not that bad on the breaking end

[tough owl]

some would say hes bad at breaking, or breaking bad

[pure karma]

research end is mostly cuz i just dont care enough to fix stuff like this

[charred pewter]

tell me what you see different on these two sata enclosures:

[pure karma]

a faulty battery is a faulty battery and therefore why try to fix it

[tough owl]

missing caps

[charred pewter]

missing logo too

theyve replaced their board with some cheap shit knockoffs

[twin dew]

Or you got cheap shit knockoff instead of legit one?

Amazon bought?

[charred pewter]

on the backside, there is a chip with "25 mhz" on the new one, and on the old one its a "30 mhz" chip lol

Amazon bought from the same sabrent seller ... :/

[twin dew]

And Amazon bins all the sources of "same" item in same bin.

[charred pewter]

i registered it on sabrents website, and the model/serial was correct

[twin dew]

Ok, then gets bad.

[jagged snow]

Another example of a manufacturer pulling a component swap

[charred pewter]

im gonna do a 'replace' and see what i get the second time 😄

[jagged snow]

Found out the SSD I bought had the same and I do notice the swapped controller struggles more with random r/w

[charred pewter]

if its another crap unit i'm just gonna 'return' for refund

[twin dew]

But with Amazon you can have knockoffs and real ones in same bin, and it doesn't matter who you buy from.

If there is legit seller, and knockoff seller, you get randomly from the stuff that both supplied to Amazon.

[charred pewter]

but i mean EVERYTHING else is exactly the same ... the boxes, the inserts, the baggies, the usb cable ...

[twin dew]

If the knockoff seller marks the stuff he sells same as the legit one.

[charred pewter]

even the plastic 'case' is the same... same printed sabrent logo

[twin dew]

But in this case it seems the real thing was downgrade.

[charred pewter]

yeah 😦 the only difference i see, is that board

and its a fricken $12 item, i cannot imagine someone swapping out the board for a knockoff to save a penny 😄

but i'll be posting this to my amazon review 😄 "new ones are crap" .... after i get the replacement tomorrow to see if its the same thing (and acts up)

[stray badger]

but does it actually make a difference tho?

[twin dew]

With most of the filter and bulk caps missing, not working is pretty much expected.

[jagged snow]

It works "just enough"

[twin dew]

Not certain, but expected.

[charred pewter]

this is the other side of the board ... cant really make out the writing on the chips ... my phone sucks

[jagged snow]

Also update @charred pewter ups did deny the claim on my gpu. Returning to seller and letting him deal with it.

I'll probably wait untill the end of the week, seller is contesting the claim resolution

But not looking very good 🤷‍♂️

[charred pewter]

but yeah ... see sunday i fired the new one up, and it seemed to 'work ok' ... drive mounted, was ok, ran backups to it .... but today, the drive unmounts shortly after plugging it in, or it doesnt mount at all. the 'blinking light' on the enclosure is "slow" too... slower than the other one. and its just acting up. cables didnt make a diff, ssd didnt make a diff... its the enclosure

[twin dew]

So the new version will work with low stable power draw drive.
But will fail with drive with spiky power draw.

[charred pewter]

oh man that sucks 😦

[charred pewter]

and apparently in my case.... both the Kingston, and the Crucial must be 'spikey'

[twin dew]

And like I linked long ago, UPS only pays up to $100.

If they fuck up.

[charred pewter]

UPS is going downhill

[twin dew]

Long ago, as in when this was starting.

[charred pewter]

they are truly brown 💩 now 😄

[jagged snow]

Yep, I recall

[twin dew]

Pretty standard for all couriers and postal services.
The standard coverage is abysmal.

With most you can buy better insurance.

[jagged snow]

Mostly just trying to avoid sticking the seller with a busted card in this case.

[charred pewter]

so yeah, missing caps ........ caps make electronics run smooth

[twin dew]

Unfortunately the packaging was insufficient.
Single layer of very bendy cardboard and then the bubble wrap was just around the card, not filling the voids.

That should be sufficient, but the lot of bad employees in the companies.
And the companies don't really care.

[jagged snow]

In this case, the packing should've been sufficient for how much abuse a package should handle but was not for the actual amount experienced for many packages in shipping.

[tough owl]

also ive never gotten a package that was that beat up before

[jagged snow]

Neither have I

Unfortunately, speed and efficiency take priority over delicacy unless you explicitly pay for it.

[tough owl]

actually I lied, bestbuy sent me a laptop that was in a local store that the outside box was pretty beat up

[twin dew]

Most of the employees either ignore "Fragile", even if paid for.
Or even intentionally select those to kick.

[jagged snow]

By that I meant paying for insurance

[jagged snow]

But from what I've seen, seems accurate

[edgy hazel]

Putting your fragile stickers on stuff doesn't automatically entitle you to a special service

[twin dew]

I did say "even if paid for".

With all the couriers you can pay extra for legit fragile delivery stuff.

Random stickers don't mean anything, but buying the actual service should, but always doesn't.

[edgy hazel]

They all use subcontractors and shit that can just ignore it

[charred pewter]

dropped off the crap sabrent

if it was just a defect (it actually had missing caps during mfg) ... ok... but if sabrent is pulling the ole bait n switch ... im going to have to stop caring about them

we'll see with the replacement that arrives tomorrow...

[maiden coyote]

fight it til the end. if that fails, file a claim with your card issuer

[charred pewter]

if paid with a card 😦

but then, if paypal, they have a dispute system... but usually side with sellers

knowing the ugly end of cc chargebacks ... its usually best to try and work it out with the merchant first

[maiden coyote]

fk paypals system. I tried using it when i got scammed. I explained the situation and they were still like we need to get in touch with the seller hurdurr.. we're going to give them a month to answer. fk you, I called chase and got my money back.

[jagged snow]

Seller is fully cooperative it seems

[maiden coyote]

I believe it's the sellers responsiblity to file the claim with usps/ups imo

[jagged snow]

It is and they did

[maiden coyote]

I forget if it was packed well or what happened to it xd

[charred pewter]

we've had paypal disputes where paypal sides with us (even though the users account WAS breached and wrongfully used) ... but then the user files a chargeback with their bank... and paypal gets hit with the bill and re-opens the dispute again ... but then depending on the merchant, they either cover the fees and loss, or not

[jagged snow]

Packaging was on the light side, but it should've arrived intact

The box was partially crushed though

Pcie bracket, backplate both badly bent and the card is bricked

[charred pewter]

we get full cover on all unauthorized use of paypal transactions ... but normally we try to issue a refund when we know it was truly a case of a breached paypal account. but sometimes still paypal sides with us before we can issue the refund ... like wtf

[maiden coyote]

we get hit with cc chargebacks serveral times a month. it doesn't matter that we have a picture of their car on our truck, a picture with the card, and a matching drivers license.. we still get hit

[charred pewter]

yup... some people use chargebacks instead of first asking for a refund

we hate those people 🙂

we end up banning them, because they made no attempt to contact us first

[maiden coyote]

Me too. I try to work it out with the seller (assuming it's not a scam)

[charred pewter]

its even in our TOS 😉

[maiden coyote]

but if all else fails, I don't think fight or flight should have to eat the gpu cost

[jagged snow]

I'm not planning on it

[charred pewter]

definitely not! that was all UPS's fault

[jagged snow]

And seller has stated that if we can't get money direclty from ups he'll refund it for full price

Just rather unfortunate that he then has to eat 500 dollars in damage at that point

[maiden coyote]

When I fixed and sold ps4's I ALWAYS bought insurance on it.. and used packing peanuts lol

Yeah. that does suck

[charred pewter]

and thats not like pennies either to lose ...

its half a grand !

[jagged snow]

This seller in specific is selling the card because he upgraded to a 4090 and already has that for sale lol 🤣

But yeah, that's a lot of money

You can do a lot with 500

[charred pewter]

yeah i was considering buying a new card and sell off my 3080 to help cover the cost of a 4090 😉

but ugh ebay

[charred pewter]

so on a serious note about the possible bad NAND issue in my mbp (if that was what it was, but looking at more info, it certainly does seem like it) ..... if i opened up my mac, would i be able to visually tell if they did replace the NAND chips?

[jagged snow]

Only if you'd checked before you sent them the device

[charred pewter]

just curious cause ... when boards are mfg, there is a certain level of uniformity in soldering ... while someone doing a repair job by hand, its certainly not going to be as 'clean' ?

[jagged snow]

You shouldn't be able to see any of the solder joints on the nand flash, but there might be some residue from the process

[charred pewter]

ah

[jagged snow]

So you could confirm that work was done but not nececarily deny it without having before-after comparison

[charred pewter]

right, a before/after shot would clearly show differences ...

i was just curious maybe if this sort of swap out would be an 'oh yeah, this was obviously fixed at one point' kind of thing.... you know, like checking for repaired dents in an old car when buying it 😄

[jagged snow]

Also, my headphone drivers finally bit the dust today 😦

They made it 6 years of close to 8 hours a day

[charred pewter]

for that timeframe of tech, thats a good run

most stuff isnt made to last 1 yr now

[jagged snow]

I'm leaning towards just replacing the drivers, earcups and headband padding

[charred pewter]

i had to replace the earcups on my Sony studio headphones awhile back cause they disintegrated lol! they are SO OLD now.........

have had them in a drawer all this time too (i dont wear headphones, hurts muh noggin)

i guess back when they made things last .... i cant find how old these are

[sly gazelle]

Ey solved it

Just dismantled the gpu and re-thermal pasted the core

now everything runs better and nothing crashes

So if someone else is having a similiar issue just try repasting the gpu

[stray badger]

sometimes thats all it really takes

[narrow folio]

I bought my Sennheiser HD570 around 1998, replaced the pads and cable after 20 years and they still sound great. quality sometimes do pay off 😁

[edgy hazel]

Yup. I expect my DT770s to last a whiiile as well

Just gotta buy the right shit

[serene charm]

Same here as well, expecting my philips fidelio x2hr to last at least 5 years

[twin dew]

The elastic inside the head band will die at some point.
Had to replace that on mine at some point.

[serene charm]

Maybe high end audio equipment just lasts forever because audo tech has had longer to develop, maybe displays will last longer in a bit

[serene charm]

Is this in x2hrs cause i will look out for this

[twin dew]

Yes, X2HR:s.
Inside the lower adjustable part of the headband is just some elastic.
And like all such rubber thingies it will die with time and lose the elasticity.

Had to use iron wire to replace that with the length set right for my head.

[charred pewter]

i still have my first LCD display, Viewsonic ... its still going strong and being used 24/7 for my security cam dvr

colors and clarity is the same as it was when i used it for my game rig sooo many years ago

[twin dew]

You can notice that once you cannot adjust the things to sit on your head without drooping to use your ears for support anymore.

Couldn't find easy way to remove the mounting things at either end so I could have tried to replace it properly.

[pure karma]

i would roast thoes headphone but myn are also falling apart soooo im just not going to instead

[twin dew]

Because I used that iron wire to fix the issue, when they now always fit perfectly on my head, and the fix is both invisible and will last forever?

[pure karma]

thats why i like having ruber up top cuz cloth always just falls apart

[twin dew]

Anything elastic will.
Including any type of rubber.
It is rubber in that elastic fabric band too.

Question just is: When.

But the bigger issue is that Philips stopped making and selling replacement ear pad cushions at same time they stopped making the headphone model.

Ah, I have forgotten to try to wash my original ones after I replaced them with Dekoni ones.

And I even checked that replacement ones were available before I bought the things, and then that option was just taken away.

[upper plinth]

Hmm.. does anyone know a good replacements for HyperX Cloud II Leatherette Ear cushions? Mine start to desintegrate after 4 years and the official ones are always out of stock :P

[edgy hazel]

Yeah www.beyerdynamic.de

There you can buy proper headphones

[dire igloo]

DT 880 Pro are great

Sennheiser HD 560S too

[warped phoenix]

@mortal ibex on that topic (#screenshots message), the pinned post on /r/ublockorigin is a lifesaver

[dire igloo]

Hifiman HE400SE are also good, tho their super flat sound signature isn't to everyone's liking

[upper plinth]

Welp, was asking about just cushions, but thanks for the headphone recommendations 😄

[mortal ibex]

I keep it updated on the regular, uBlockOrigin is an excellent service 👍

[gilded helm]

Ugh. One of the venues I'm DJing stubbornly keeps the speakers set at 20%. Because if they're set much higher than that, they emit an unpleasant hum. But now it's impossible to plug in and play without peaking because of how much you need to turn up the gain. And I'm having no luck explaining to them peaking is bad, because it's basically just as loud as before they tried setting the speakers 40%.

[jagged snow]

So they're running into 60-cycle hum on the speakers... are they powered or externally amped?

[gilded helm]

Powered

[jagged snow]

I've pretty much exclusively run into that with cheap amps

Let me guess, they're some qsc look-alike

The older k12s and many other similar models had issues with 60-cycle hum

[gilded helm]

I'll try and get a look the next time I'm there. They're mounted 10 ft up so I've never been able to really look closely at the wiring or speakers themselves.

I played there last night and it sounded terrible. At least one of the amber lights on the mixer was on pretty much the entire time, hitting red at least once every second.

[jagged snow]

It's also possible that the wiring is not set up for audio specifically and you're getting some crosstalk causing the hum

[jagged snow]

Can you just throw an aggressive compressor on the house send in the meantime?

[gilded helm]

Because the hum isn't noticeable when music is playing, I'm hoping I can just turn everything up, then turn it back down.

The house equipment I mean. Otherwise I might just shut up and wait until customers complain.

At this particular location, the venue owner always wants it louder than customers want it. So everything related to volume is pretty much a constant struggle.

Always some bullshit about wanting it to feel clubby

[night girder]

So. Venue owner doesn't want to invest in good audio system (humming speakers)? Venue owner wants music louder than consumers want it? 🤔

[gilded helm]

I sort of get how the venue owner isn't interested in going down the path of learning about audio technology. But the volume thing is confusing to me, because I've gone to quite some lengths to get feedback from customers, without trying to steer them toward one particular answer.

[night girder]

Yeah, it's confusing me too. Sounds like a person who wants hot snow.

[gilded helm]

If I felt like the customers wanted more volume I would give it to them. And at other venues I do.

[night girder]

I mean, if I was you. I would just let the owner handle his own shit.

[gilded helm]

I'm at that point. I really should just shut up and stick to my job

[night girder]

If he doesn't want to listen to you ... not much you can do? And if costumers complain about you the DJ, then just tell em the truth 😛

Do all speakers hum? Or only a particular one? A few?

[gilded helm]

I've never walked the room to analyze it.

I think the promotions director there did mention he thought it was the wiring

[night girder]

The issue is faulty hardware. So you shouldn't do any shenenigans. They need to fix faulty hardware 🤣

If it's the wiring, maybe it's not that expensive to let somebody look into it.

Or maybe it is. Anyway. Still sucks for you. If you are proud on the work you do, you want it to be as perfect as possible.

[gilded helm]

Unfortunately the promotions director there runs into the same sort of issues, where he ends up just being tempted to turn into a yes man instead of really trying to fix things.

[night girder]

Can't you just blow up the speakers? 🤣

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-gif-25178355

[gilded helm]

The Zumba people will probably do that just fine without my help 🤪

[dire igloo]

maybe you can assist them

[gilded helm]

One amusing thing I ran into by the way. One of the customers who's also my friend, started toggling the PFL/AFL on the mixer. Which does get the lights to go away for peaking, and they legit asked if that worked

[night girder]

never heard of PFL and AFL, just googled it. When do you use that?

[gilded helm]

I don't, I think that's something that's there for an engineer doing live music perhaps?

[night girder]

Oh, I found an example.

You can use PFL to plug in a instrument before bringing it into the mix

and I assume AFL is after the mix

[gilded helm]

Does Youtube really think date/time of a post are so irrelevant as to bury them? I'm looking at a short right now, and after a minute I cannot find the date/time it was put up.

[night girder]

I don't do shorts so no sure. I can see the date on normal videos.

yeah, I don't like how YT does short tbh.

[gilded helm]

Huh. It turns out the short I noticed (the only one in a channel) was made in August 2022.

[edgy hazel]

oh no

[dusk rivet]

oh shit

i really hope my pc doesn’t decide to restart itself

i’m afked in a game and i’m not near my computer

[edgy hazel]

it doesn't roll out to everyone at once

[gilded helm]

Disable wake timers in power plan settings to thwart Windows update.

I successfully avoided Windows Update running on an ancient Windows 10 laptop for months by doing this, before Windows somehow finally forced the issue.

Maybe a year? Wasn't keeping track.

[dusk rivet]

okay good

[edgy hazel]

hopefully that device was connected to the internet 😄

[dusk rivet]

or maybe not good, who knows

i usually could remote into my home computer but i didn’t bring my laptop

[gilded helm]

Net connected basically 100% of the time, it's just a spare machine for a browser window.

[dusk rivet]

worst case i end up with less items than i’d like, its fine tho

[pure karma]

i jinxed myself literally

1660 super died from just sitting

well not dead dead but unussable kinda dead

ok the card isent dead but all the output ports are

[dusk rivet]

wat

[pure karma]

What The Hell Even Is This You Cant Even Make This Shit Up

to be clear here this display is fine it works perfectly

[jagged snow]

That's psychadelic

[pure karma]

any chance this is from thermal expansion seeing how it went from like 15C to 70C in 10 seconds or is it just probably time to throw it in the garbage cuz it has a faulty board anyway

[jagged snow]

Could be any number of causes

Likely hardware failure though

Is that only in 3d applications?

[pure karma]

also only does this on display port and vga not hdmi interestingly

[jagged snow]

^?

[pure karma]

and passed 3Dmark whit 100 points under average so card is working fine but not outputing corectly

il just let it be if it wants to be on shrooms then it can be on shrooms its not my problem

[edgy hazel]

that's not shrooms

that's LSD straight from the tap

[pure karma]

does it on time spy ima try firestrike and whatever the other free one is and see if it does it aswell

cuz its running desktop stuff perfectly normal but as soon as a game or a benchmark is involved it all goes downhill

[dire igloo]

guess who just ordered 4TB NVMe storage and a 7800XT

[grand meadow]

I need more storage space but I'm kinda thinking about replacing the current 2x2TB SSDs with 512GB M.2 NVMe as system disk, 4-8TB M.2 NVMe for games + 16-20TB HDD for photos, videos and other not-speed-critical storage.

[maiden coyote]

This is neat.. manage your servers while you're not home lol

Rip your network if you open rdp ports to the internet

[pure karma]

ok i found the issue the fan decided it dident want to spin anymore

so the card was running at 700 billion degrees

i should have probably checked that first consdiering it sat for like 3 months

[wanton orchid]

textures are not filling

[dusk rivet]

why do you need that much storage

how are you even getting to 32tb’s of games

[grand meadow]

32TB of games?

Wut

4-8TB, not 4x8TB. 😂

[wanton orchid]

that's still more than a complete full game benchmarking suit

[tough owl]

Ever thought that when the titanic eventually rusts away there will be conspiracies that it never really existed

[dusk rivet]

oh!

[gilded helm]

I bet you there are already people claiming the wreck is a manmade fake.

[winged valley]

Anybody know of a decent auto sync client? I'm using Seafile (yes I know Seafile sucks I'm gonna switch to Nextcloud), but Seafile's sync client is bad bc if an application deletes a file in a synced folder then Seafile will also delete that file serverside

Basically, I want something where I have the option to stop delete syncing, only file creation and modification.

Why? Game saves

[sharp oasis]

Ive heard the pixel 6 likes to eat battery wile calling.

Lil confusing ig

[dire igloo]

Don't get any NVMe smaller than 1tb, that's a waste of an m.2 slot.
1tb costs about the same as 500gb, so just get tzat

[dire igloo]

It's called the pile of shame, okay?

[edgy hazel]

Damn that's crazy

You learn something new every day

[dire igloo]

AI is smort

[narrow folio]

Artificial idiocy

[languid gulch]

but they made it the word of the year, it can't possibly be stupid!!

[rustic panther]

the p is silent and therefore left out in American English

In British English, you write "Spatispfactourey"

Easy mistake to make

[edgy hazel]

It's Satispfapctory

[grand meadow]

Fair point.

[languid gulch]

i feel like storage is gonna be the hot seller for black friday this year

i'd kinda like to see someone here beat my $140 crucial P3 4TB

[edgy hazel]

I paid 160 for the 4tb p3 pro

[dire igloo]

I feel like we'll see a big increase in NAND prices before that, so probably yes

[dire igloo]

Was 196€ for me, 200€ NM790 was the better pick by a longshot

MP34 was 196 too. Better than P3 Plus, doesn't beat NM790 either

[edgy hazel]

Yeah atm it's only really the price that matters unless you do very specific stuff like video editing or something

For playing games you will probably have absolutely no difference between P3, MP34, NM790 or another LettersNumbers SSD

[dire igloo]

The super shitty SSDs usually don't have a 4tb version, so yes I agree

[edgy hazel]

Yeah just stay with the known brands

[dire igloo]

Eh, I don't like giving that advice.
Just because YOU don't know a brand doesn't mean it's not a known brand

I've had people ask me "who's Thermalright" or say "never heard of Kioxia"

And then there's the other side of the spectrum: little known brands making absolutely dope products (Keychron, Leopold) while the very popular ones make shitty products (Logitech, Corsair)

I've never heard about Lexar until someone pointed out the NM790 to me.
Only afterwards I realized that I've seen their logo on lots of USB sticks

[languid gulch]

and also i think every brand has had at least 1 garbage product they'd rather forget they warrantied

[dusk rivet]

pretty impossible to have a perfect track record

[dire igloo]

I would've said Sapphire is a clean slate for GPUs - but they're selling reference designs now

[twin dew]

Sapphire has been the reference designer for AMD for long time?

Or you mean selling with the reference cooler too? As complete reference design with Sapphire sticker?

That thing was thing of type: "Do that or miss the launch" type thing where the design for custom designs could only be started too late to be ready for the retail launch.

[dire igloo]

No, I mean the AMD reference design, equivalent to Nvidia FE.
Cooler and everything

But yeah, I noticed that they've been doing that for a long time now

[twin dew]

Basically everyone sold that at least in start with their name slapped on.

Until they could get the custom designs off to market.

And seems I need to make minor raise to VMISC and VDDG for that 2200 FCLK.

1.10V to 1.15V and 0.850V to 0.900V.

VDDG is downregulated on the CPU from VMISC.

That seems to take care of the very slight regression in some tests between 2167 and 2200 FCLK.

[sterile plinth]

when is black friday??

[twin dew]

After US thanksgiving and before the weekend leading to cyber-monday?
When that first is, no idea.

[sterile plinth]

cyber-monday??

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Monday

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)

And that US thanksgiving is 2023-11-23 this time around.

[sterile plinth]

got any suggestions for reliable and cheap furniture?

I'm thinking of buying a new desk since the one i have rn is kinda small

[edgy hazel]

A cheap desk will annoy the hell out of you

[twin dew]

Reliable with cheap means usable and inexpensive.

[edgy hazel]

But you can always go the 5 legs and wood route

[twin dew]

But things like that depends so much on where you live that no comment.

[sterile plinth]

yep, thats what I meant, not overly budget

do desks that have extra support on the legs like these have a name?

[twin dew]

But correction, VDDG 0.850V - 0.900V with default VMISC of 1.100V is probably the best...

[wide void]

any good with a jigsaw?

Hardware is a little different now, but this desk including making cupboards underneath each side probably cost me £200 total. I just used a simple Oil/Wax finish as I don't mind MDF, but you could easily decorate it to suit.

https://imgur.com/WW653SL

[sterile plinth]

nah, definitely not

no way that would fit into my room

[sterile plinth]

could you tell me whats the name for these deks?

they're much more stable than 4 leg desks in general

[wide void]

if you search for a basic office desk, that should find what you need locally

[pure karma]

im just gonna assume that the battery percentage isent readding properly instead of the battery just not wanting to work cuz it just dropped 93% in 5 minutes

[dusk rivet]

why do so many people have that same hyperx mousepad

[twin dew]

Or it is finally basically dead and doesn't hold charge anymore.

[pure karma]

held a charge fine yesterday tho...

[twin dew]

And then you used it way past the normal cutoff point, while it had already lost half the capacity.

[pure karma]

well idk it nerver shut off for low battery so i just guessed it was the percentage being off cuz its like an hour of runtime off

[dire igloo]

iirc Thanksgiving is the last Thursday in November

No wait, the Thursday before November's last sunday

Scrap that too, fourth Thursday of November

[pure karma]

so on the 23rd

[jagged snow]

Yessir!

[pure karma]

close ish to my birthday

well i guess not that close its on december 9th

37 days to go still...

[jagged snow]

So, I got stuck with the new experiment on youtubes smart tv app... 45-second unskippable ad breaks every few minutes

[charred pewter]

ugh

[tough owl]

Isn’t it LOVELY

[jagged snow]

Yup, it's almost as bad as conventional television

[charred pewter]

why is google bent on ruining yt

[dusk rivet]

ublock origin + sponsor blocker + return dislikes
makes it so much better

[jagged snow]

I understand that the platform needs income,and I don't mind in-video sponsor adds. With those, I typically watch the first few seconds and skip if I'm not interested

[sharp oasis]

It's kinda funny apparently YouTube outright banned adblock but ublock still works

[dusk rivet]

adblock still worked, it just had an annoying pop you had to x out of

[dire igloo]

None of that works on a smart tv

[charred pewter]

every ad break starts with "i suffer from severe to moderate such-n-such" then 2 minutes of side effects watching someone do random things completely unrealted to the advertisement ....

[edgy hazel]

I suffer from severe to moderate advertiser induced nausia

Side effects are me breaking your TOS without any consequences

[charred pewter]

but if you have insurance, its only $50

plus the $500/mo for the insurance