off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

With byte as the base unit.

Both are in bytes, but the storage marketing switched from kilo meaning 1024 (nonstandard to IT) to kilo meaning 1000 (SI standard).

Because it got bigger numbers to the marketing material.

And now officially k/kilo means 1000, and Ki/kibi means 1024.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobyte

But all OS:s haven't switched to using the new binary prefixes yet.

As in only Linux has AFAIK?

Mostly, not totally.

Seems Apple switched to use 1000, with kB etc.

So they didn't switch the prefix to binary one, they switched from 1024 to 1000 in everything.

The shit company.

Sony Xperia 10 II with Sailfish.

Not lot of choices if you want to use paid Sailfish with Android emulation.

Sony Xperia X, XA2, 10, 10 II or 10 III.

Phone OS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS

Not by default.
No google stuff without self-installing some other project.

So I have MicroG installed.

No idea about magisk.
Most of the google install things expect them to be able to edit android root partition, and cannot used easily with Sailfish.

But Sailfish really isn't at this time for average user.

So no, Magisk will not work with the default instructions at least.
Because the install instructions contain the "connect to PC and use debug connection" step, which cannot be done with Sailfish.
You CAN in theory take the image file containing the android system base and edit it.

But MicroG installation doesn't need that.

None of the banking apps I use complain about anything with MicroG installed.

Custom Android ROM, yes, if you do the proper steps.

Lot of phones have locked bootloaders, so installing custom ROM isn't possible.
So remember to check for that too.

Sony has one by default, but it can be disabled by design.
Sony has web form where you input your serial and get phone specific unlock code.

Which is why Jolla has done the paid Sailfish versions for the cheaper Xperias, one per year so far.

Would normally have made one for Xperia 10 IV already, but they got lot of their money from Russia, so current situation has caused them major issues.

[dire igloo]

https://fxtwitter.com/TerribleMaps/status/1716523408328913331

[edgy hazel]

😡

[edgy hazel]

Welp. Corona positive let's go bois

[dusk rivet]

get well soon

[dire igloo]

Someone should not have tried to motivate you with "stay positive"

Gute Besserung

[edgy hazel]

This is the first day of symptoms and it's already horrible

[dire igloo]

If you lose taste, please try hot sauce

[edgy hazel]

I still have some homemade reaper sauce

[dire igloo]

Well, you know what you gotta do

[jagged snow]

I can test with all three today when I wet it up on a bench, but I did test what happened with none of the pcie power connected and it did behave differently

[dusk rivet]

you still “taste” the spice

cause spiciness isn’t a taste

it’s a chemical reaction in the mouth

[jagged snow]

The reference design only uses two connectors, rated for 300w maximum draw so it should work with two but I'll test

[edgy hazel]

Btw Pepper X getting its first products but the chili itself not being for sale sucks so bad

[jagged snow]

Herg did you see the cyberBeer?

[edgy hazel]

No is it AI shite?

[dusk rivet]

it’s beer that musk is selling

bottle looks cool, but then you have to give elon musk money

[jagged snow]

https://shop.tesla.com/product/cyberbeer-_-cyberstein-limited-edition-set

[edgy hazel]

Ewwwwwwww

Delete that

[jagged snow]

I want x86s instead 😦
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/23/23929240/nvidia-amd-cpu-arm-pc-chips-2025-release-rumors

[dusk rivet]

apple does what they do really well

doubt anyone can really challenge them

[edgy hazel]

@dire igloo I think people should be absolutely furious and riot in the street because the ITZ is actually doing job advertising on the webbed site tumblr.com

Get of my dash I wanna see BG3 Withers fancams

[dire igloo]

If you think that's scandalous, I should tell you where they did job advertising for me

[edgy hazel]

Please

[dire igloo]

One of the ITZ prestige projects is the Bundesclient

And the agency I work at is planning to implement it

So we had a meeting with ITZ Bund representatives where we voiced concerns about losing our jobs

And THAT'S when the ITZ guy told us to apply there

[edgy hazel]

That's horrible

[dire igloo]

Yup

BMDV representative scolded that mf hard

Never heard someone that pissed in an official meeting

[dusk rivet]

.

hyte.com/y70touch
Pc case with a touch screen
only 360usd

[dire igloo]

Gimmick. Jonsbo D41 Mesh Screen superiority

[edgy hazel]

Why do you want to touch your pc case

[dusk rivet]

cause why not

[edgy hazel]

What's your least favorite piece of math?

This is mine

[dusk rivet]

51 is a prime number and no one can convince me otherwise

that is simply just wrong

[jagged snow]

Well that's frustrating... I might end up needing to buy a new psu, I'm missing the modular pcie cables for my kw unit and my 750 only has two

[tough owl]

Battery life should improve

[jagged snow]

It would with x86s too

[charred pewter]

did someone mention a shit company ?

[dire igloo]

14x3 is 42 not 52
And 7x8=56

a piece of maths I really like: the prime factors of 18209 are 131 and 139

[jagged snow]

@twin dew I tried the card on a 1x riser, no dice.
Only variable I haven't been able to test is the third pcie power cable, any suggestions other than buying a new psu?

[twin dew]

Or temporarely test with splitting adapter?
What exact GPU is it?

[charred pewter]

any big apple guru in here? (no im not going to berate you for knowing stuf)

[jagged snow]

Powercolor red devil 6900xt

So it should be fine with just two pcie power connectors, I just can't find any information on weather it will work with only two

[charred pewter]

but maybe my question isnt really 'apple' per say ... but macos and bsd related ... cause it seems macos12 no longer has php installed, and i cant figure out how to get it installed to be used by automator again 😦

[jagged snow]

I'm assuming it does, as I get different behavior when I disconnect all of the pcie power cables and leave it just on slot

[twin dew]

Someone was using one with just 2 cables and it was working.

[jagged snow]

Okay
I'm going to assume dead card then

[twin dew]

So seems that it is broken then.

[charred pewter]

(actually looks like yall in the middle of a convo, i'll step out for a bit 🙂 )

[twin dew]

Is there a problem if I run my RX 6900 XT Red Devil Ultimate with only 2 8-pin connectors when there should be 3 connected? My current 1000w PSU only had 2 cables available and I may need to buy a new PSU or extra cable.
So far there have been no issues, but I wonder if perhaps having 2 cables when 3 is needed may cause issues such as lag, stuttering or other issues not known to me.

[jagged snow]

Done now
I'm just going to remove my 600 dollar paperweight from my pc real quick

[jagged snow]

Ah, thanks
I'm currently stuck searching on my phone lol

[charred pewter]

paperweight? oh dear

[jagged snow]

Yeah... ups destroyed it in shipping

[charred pewter]

fffffffffffffff

[jagged snow]

The pcie bracket and backplate were both severely bent and there is no display out from the card

[charred pewter]

how on earth did they mangle it that bad? doesnt the box have some spacing with the card from the box-walls ?

[twin dew]

Someone had a bad day and used it as soccer ball or something like that.

[jagged snow]

Yes... it wasn't in factory packaging but it was in two layers of big bubble bubble wrap and then surrounded by packing paper

[charred pewter]

my MSI one had a lot of padding to the card, but it was pretty firm padding (like tight cell foam bricks cut to fit the card) ....

[jagged snow]

The side of the box was crushed in about four inches on one side

[charred pewter]

holy

[jagged snow]

Yeah 😦

I'm reassembling my pc rn and then I'll get in touch with the seller

[charred pewter]

sounds about right for ups !!! they did the same thing to a box of fragiles my father sent me ... one was wrapped in 3 inchecs of bubble wrap, but they smashed a corner so bad, the whole thing slid down and got smashed

[jagged snow]

Oh bummer

It seems the options are either have ups crush the package or have usps lose it for a month lol

[charred pewter]

lots of glue and precision magnifying glass work later, i got it 'looking' normal/unbroken ... but yeah, that doesnt work with ELECTRONICS

how furious are you? 😦

you saw how mad i was when a delivery guy kicked a 'cable' in a box across my patio .... i couldnt imagine seeing that kind of damage done to a $600 gpu

[twin dew]

Which connectors on the card have you used in tests?
Might make a difference.
Based on PCB pics might need to use the edgemost and center?

[charred pewter]

LOL seems to be the case!

[twin dew]

And leave the one closest to card center not connected.

Which is the one left out from the lower tier cards with the same PCB.

Because on the PCB the three connectors seem to be kept separate until they pass through some components?
And those two specific ones seem to have some large compoennts connecting, and the third doesn't.

And the third farthest away from the PCB edge might even be fake?

[charred pewter]

so you think maybe its just some of the contacts from the sockets that 'broke' with the bending of the pci bracket?

[twin dew]

Would probably need reflow of either the main GPU and/or of some of the memory chips?

[charred pewter]

i guess this was already mentioned (discord scroll hell!) but ... its not 'returnable' is it ?

[jagged snow]

I've triedall the combinations

[twin dew]

Just checking to make sure.

[jagged snow]

That's what we're finding out

[jagged snow]

Yup, always appreciated

Reinstalling drivers and then I'll contact seller

[pure karma]

am i dumb or is Hw info reading that this battery is lacking like 18000mWh of its capacity

[twin dew]

Li-ion batteries get damaged as they are used, and the max capacity goes down.

[pure karma]

ok so it is in fact 18000mWh bellow new

[tough owl]

yea

[twin dew]

That is what the system is reporting.
The battery was 42Wh when new, now it is 26Wh.

[tough owl]

down to like 50%

[pure karma]

makes sense i guess cuz its like 6 years old

[twin dew]

Hotter the battery is and farther away from 60% charge it is, faster it degrades with time.
And then charge & discharge cycles affect it too.

So for 6 year old laptop battery, that is suprising good.

[pure karma]

yea its the battery in my school laptop but it also has a like peak power consumption of like 15W so not a very high load lol

[charred pewter]

i noticed my new M1 laptop has this 'smart battery' behavior where it wont charge to 100% anymore unless it THINKS i need it... otherwise it goes up to 80% and then sits "orange"

[jagged snow]

@charred pewter the box was crushed like that on both sides

[charred pewter]

holy shit

last time i saw a box so abused... it was in the orangatan pen at the zoo

[jagged snow]

Yeah... not good

The wise decision probably would've been to refuse the delivery when I saw that tbh

[charred pewter]

true....... but its hard to do that on the spur... they are always acting in a rush, and you cant inspect it enough, and just grab/sign/go

[jagged snow]

Yeah

Seller is contacting ups about it lol

It really does make me wonder who was having that bad of a day

[pure karma]

whats in there even?

[jagged snow]

A 600 dollar gpu

[charred pewter]

a beat up piece of ham

[jagged snow]

That is now bricked

[pure karma]

i was gonna say its probably fine but i guess nervermind

[jagged snow]

Pcie bracket and backplate are both severely bent and there's no display out from the card

And either way, I wouldn't really be thrilled about taking the chance that a card with such a rough past would last the 5+ years I'm planning on

[charred pewter]

zsh: command not found: brew

guh... all these posts "just do brew install php and be done with it" ...

[jagged snow]

@charred pewter what was your apple-related issue?

[charred pewter]

trying to get php into macos12 cause apple ripped it out

[jagged snow]

Oh fun

[charred pewter]

i have a bunch of Automators which run php scripts (since php is more powerful than automator itself) ... but they wont work now

[jagged snow]

www.php.net/manual/en/install.macosx.php
That have what you need? It should be fairly straightforward, but I'm assuming you've run into some sort of hurdle

[charred pewter]

seems python is missing too

yeah... various commands to 'install' php dont seem to work since im apparently missing SOMETHING ELSE which installs stuff LOL

apple pulled out so much stuff !

no more perl too!

[jagged snow]

Weird

Wonder why they did that
it's because all the devs use linux or windows

[charred pewter]

and posts i see where someone complains why apple pulled all this out, theres nothing but responses of "for good reason, and good riddence" ...

"now you can install the right version you need" ... or "the system php was so out dated it was pointless" ....

i dont care if it was out dated ... it was SOMETHING that ran all the basics needed without having to jump through hoops to install php in the first place!

😐

i'll figure it out... find one magical article which actually works for me lol

developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681907

the responses ... wish i could downvote lol

and the hell is homebrew, that sounds like a security hole waiting to happen

"oh just jailbreak it and install php" ... 😄

[jagged snow]

Time to switch to windows for work too

[charred pewter]

lol

[jagged snow]

That's a new one

I just had egs crash while it was running in the background

[dire igloo]

fuck cookie banners that count the cookie for what cookies you accepted as optional

"decline all", "proceed with required cookies", etc it's all bullshit
Next time you open the site, same old banner

[jagged snow]

Malicious compliance

[dire igloo]

nah fuck that

also, non-required cookies are opt-in - unless you have a legitimate interest.
Whatever that legitimate interest can be is clearly defined - but how about you make an opt-out form for users to attest you legitimate interest on all your bs cookies?

[charred pewter]

LOL ... "Heres a list of cookies we control:" and in it is a cookie that tracks if you accept cookies lol

we require one cookie if a user wishes to have an account or buy things... which is the base cookie which simply keeps a persistent session. We do this because we will be damned if we are going to spew a session ID into every url across the entire website, just to keep a person persistent through account/buying

it was a 'development time vs loss' valuation

the only people who would complain enough to not want even the most basic of "phpsessid" cookie... are generally not people who would buy anything anyways because they have issues with providing payment details and billing addresses, and use vpn's which screw with regional locks and all manner of other things 😄

ergo: Those people lost, are people we wouldnt want as customers anyways.

but we are GDPR compliant with our cookies, and provide the BS banner with checkboxes to turn on/off various other nonsense cookies made by google or farcebook etc

we even allow people to turn off the cookie which grants our affialiates a commission on referral ... 😄 which saves us 5% when they do haha

[twin dew]

I almost forgot to eat today.
I ate breakfast, then I was planning to eat around 13:00-14:00.
It is now 21:00 and I just finished preparing that meal.

[narrow folio]

eating is such a time consuming part of life... buying ingredients, cooking them, serving soup, main course and dinner, cleaning all the kitchenware.
shopping, prepping and cooking easily takes 2h and more and the 'shove food into your mouth' part is done in 10-15 min... 😁

[visual tree]

Solution to this problem: Venom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAWnJxv4ZhU

[narrow folio]

Seems nice, but no Venom on sale on Amazon...

ok, not THAT Venom. many others are, but I doubt they can cook.
On the other side, you don't need to cook if you are on the other side of life

another solution is going out or ordering food. Just not an option for every day as the costs have gone up considerably the last few years

[visual tree]

Here, labor shortage is so bad they had to hire robots to cook food in a restaurant lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lbxbvVsgSA

New law regarding using your own equipment for internet access

Probably being implemented for the whole EU

[thick radish]

Linux nerds, is it possible to have the kernel console (ie ttyS0) on a USB adapter (ie ttyUSB0)?

[charred pewter]

i was sposed to be locked into a specific price for 24 months ... halfway through i get a notice on my bill that next month is going up by $5/mo ... and i am like "uhm, so whats your definition of 'locked in' again?"

so i had to get on ye olde live chat and butcher the poor sales rep about it, and he finally went in and extended some expire dates and it *should be ok for another 12 months

lol

told him to look up the transcript from the prior guy and raise it up the food chain because i was lied too...

after about a minute of silence, he was like 'i can fix this...'

one benefit of doing live chat in text, instead of 'calling in'...

it has a better paper trail 😄

oh dear

hahaha

oh, dont underestimate how bad it can get in the US

(or anywhere for that matter now)

[narrow folio]

Afaik cable in the US is like this, either you have it or you don't

no real alternative isp to select from

[visual tree]

You misunderstood. I actually support end users having rights to use their own equipment 👍

[charred pewter]

ouch dam ... wanted to buy another external SSD for backup purposes ... and the same one i bought like last year, is 3x the cost right now

i musta got it on sale ...

i got this kingston 500gb for uh... $20 ... now its $36 ... er, ok my math is off, thats not 3x 😄

[narrow folio]

obsolete model?

sometimes old stock costs more than newer model

[charred pewter]

doesnt seem so:

[narrow folio]

yeah, time for 8TB prices to come down to the 4TB versions of yesteryear

[charred pewter]

lol

[visual tree]

I'm afraid 2 TB is not going to be enough for me. Better get 4 TB just in case

2 TB is surprisingly cheap now. Not sure if 2 TB was available 5 years ago but nvme was very expensive

I first bought 500 GB sata ssd, then 1 TB and now it's not enough 😭

I use a 500 GB ssd as a secondary drive and install some games on it

I bought my new pc in april 2022. Big mistake, should have waited 6 more months

I panicked because I thought war in ukraine is going to affect hardware prices but it didn't

Hope I will be able to run Alan Wake 2 on max settings at 1080p 🙏

3060 ti + 5600X

It's going to be released in few days i think

Looks like I won't be able tu run ray tracing at low settings on RTX 3060ti 💀

Give me back my sun

[pure karma]

welcome back to random garbage and pointless updates like swapping view channel and view google account around

its not even done in a good way either

[charred pewter]

when is it ever

google just changes shit around for no benefit or reason

[sage heron]

buy from another company then, or complain and get a return

ue4 has more performance/frames per second.

right? i mean i was excited that second i saw the news, because i did want ue5 until i did some testing, very laggy

[jagged snow]

You have absolutely no context here. There has already been a pretty big conversation about this

[sage heron]

oh right, i forgot 💀

[stray badger]

how to not use the steam hardware survey effectively

AWII is not ue5 tho

[languid gulch]

oof. more direct awful advice from LTT on their latest video

teflon tape is NOT a sealant

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I saw that...
He didn't directly say that it was a sealant but it was strongly implied

It's just a lubricant

Really not a good look considering all the hubub they made about their new error-correcting processes

[languid gulch]

especially after saying they hired an actual plumber

[jagged snow]

Yup

They have an internal & external review team that's supposed to catch stuff like that

I get that it's a tech channel but that's a pretty basic mistake

They possibly just dind't feel like it was worth fixing?

Anyhow, I'm headed to bed

[tough owl]

Bed? At this hour?

[edgy hazel]

[twin dew]

Yes?
But it needs to be added to securetty and/or the PAM equivalent first.
Then the normal serial console instructions will work.
The instructions might even tell how to do the securetty edit too.

[twin dew]

And doesn't work at all with Radeon RX5000 series or Nvidia 1000 series, because it needs Mesh shader support.

@upper fiber Asked on wrong channel, and would need to know the exact computer model type/number from a sticker somewhere around the computer case.
Same sticker will also have the serial number (SN: <numbers>).

[edgy hazel]

listen. I love DLSS and FSR2 for giving me a performance boost when the system can't quite handle what I'm throwing at it. It's great if you wanna play new games on a 4-5 year old GPU.

But including this shit as a requirement in your PC Requirements is batshit insane

especially when you're already asking for current gen hardware

[twin dew]

Game that has been coded to work on GPUs released in 5 years from now.

Hopefully.

[edgy hazel]

you must be smoking that Pipe Of Hopefulness

the amount of hope you need for that

[twin dew]

I meant that the devs hope. Not that I hope.

[edgy hazel]

the devs hope that crunch time is over soon I guess

[twin dew]

Like with Crysis.
Devs bet with the higher details that CPUs would proceed with "more single thread performance to the sky".

[dire igloo]

Didn't they release a blog post about why their requirements are this high?
That they're using some new tech which they can't verify will run on older tech?

[twin dew]

That was the Mesh shader thing.
But not related to the otherwise crazy requirements.

Just that it prevents the game from working at all with RX5000 or earlier and GTX1000 and earlier.

[twin dew]

Which lead to the "Can it run Crysis"

[dire igloo]

CPU, RAM and storage seem pretty modest for a modern game

I actually like that they didn't increase the CPU spec beyond 3700X - a lot of games tell you that you need 13700K for 4K

[twin dew]

Yeah, but that the FPS targets are 30 or 60 FPS, with upscaling, often on Performance preset...
With GPUs from last 3 generations only.

Even without RT.

[dire igloo]

In terms of performance, you can replace 6600xt with 5700xt

[twin dew]

But 5700XT cannot run the game at all.

Because of that Mesh shader requirement.

And for the record, MS added the Mesh shader support to DX12 only year AFTER RX5000 series was released.

In 2020.

And I really wouldn't consider "run at minimum settings WITH upscaling @30FPS" as running.

[inland cave]

big fan of when the com puter putes com yknow

[dire igloo]

I'm just referring to general GPU horsepower

[languid gulch]

Baldur, i really don't know how you haven't changed your pfp to just a gate

[twin dew]

My Steam one is just black, RGB 0 for whole image.

Used to have same one with group of friends when played FPS games on Steam.
And cannot be removed to get back to "no pic" AFAIK.

10+ years ago.

Just replaced.

Yup, can be changed, but not removed.

[edgy hazel]

my steam pfp is ever changing

currently it's a picture of vicks vapodrops

before that I was "I miss my wife" with a picture of a restraining order

[mental oriole]

Probably abused certain bugged steam events... just like I did

[edgy hazel]

games are usually developed for the previous gen of GPUs. So yes I expect games to not run that well (or at all) on any 10 series/5000 series GPUs. It's just the flow of time

The unity engine is (was) actually pretty good for what it is and creation engine was a dream for modders

[twin dew]

The Creation Engine itself didn't have that much wrong with it.
Just very outdated now.

It is the scripting layer on top of the engine that doesn't have proper error checking etc. for the script writers.
And the scripts that Bethesda content people write are full of bugs.

[edgy hazel]

yeah creation engine is old old

[twin dew]

Nah, UE 5 still contains bits from 10+ years ago.

[edgy hazel]

yeah but it isn't an "update" per se

[twin dew]

Same engine, with changes, since very long ago.
Just that for the major version changes there are breaking changes in some parts.

Nope.
UE5 code contains comments from 10+ years ago.

Referencing bugs in GPU drivers.

UE5.3 source.

[edgy hazel]

Windows 11 also still has stuff from 20 years in it. But I wouldn't consider going from XP to 11 an update

I don't think that's a point here

It'd break several government infrastructures if removed

[twin dew]

UE 5.3 source comment:

// Use 'FLATTEN' instead of 'BRANCH' because of nVidia driver compiler bug: see UE-108339 - nVidia is working on a driver side fix right now
The commit was made over 2 years ago.

Same file contains lines that were last edited 9 years ago.

Trying to find the comment about AMD driver bug from 2012...

But I would expect that Epic switched to Git 9 years ago.

Based on the github source Blame outputs.

UE 5.3 source, D3D11UniformBuffer.cpp:

/**
* Number of frames that a uniform buffer will not be re-used for, after being freed.
* This is done as a workaround for what appears to be an AMD driver bug with 11.10 drivers and a 6970 HD,
* Where reusing a constant buffer with D3D11_MAP_WRITE_DISCARD still in use by the GPU will result in incorrect contents randomly.
*/
const int32 NumSafeFrames = 3;

So workaround for 2011 GPU driver still in UE 5.3.

And yes, that variable was used in the later code still.

Cannot refind this one from UE 5.2...

// AMD's drivers tested on July 11 2013 have hitching problems with async resource streaming, setting single threaded for now until fixed.

UE4.0 might have been rewrite?
But that was started in 2010-2011?
And released in 2014.

Lot of libraries with 2011 dates in them.

[stray badger]

UE4 was complete rewrite iirc

Same with ue3 i think

UE5 just added cool stuff onto UE4, turning off the cool stuff should remove most performance difference

[charred pewter]

well lets hope ue5 doesnt ruin satisfactory like ue5 seems to have ruined many other games ? i have faith in coffeestain

[stray badger]

UE5 didnt ruin the games

That was the studios fault

[dusk rivet]

flash no longer being supported ruined games

[charred pewter]

not understanding how to use the new engine?

ive just been finding it hard to find a game in ue5 that actually runs as good (and even looks the same) as a ue4 .... maybe im not seeing the differences that warrant all this extreme gpu tech to run it. but games 5 years ago still look great and run a hell of a lot better

i used to be like "oh cool, a indie game with the ue4 engine, this is gonna be sweet!" ...

now im like "oh crap another game in ue5... this is gonna run like complete fucking ass and not look any better"

maybe all these poorly made games have made me gunshy

[stray badger]

Thats because ue5 only came out 3 years ago

The only games using it either were rushed or ported

[thick radish]

The focus on absurdly good graphics does seem like it's reached a point of diminishing returns. You can boot up Star Fox Adventures in Dolphin and upscale it to HD. It will run at 60 FPS and look absolutely beautiful. It's 20 years old and designed for a damn GameCube.

[stray badger]

IMO UE5 isnt about better graphics, its easier graphics

[thick radish]

Sure, it has some parts that don't look as good as modern games, but it still looks damn good while having nowhere near as much system requirements

[stray badger]

Nanite and lumen make it soooo much easier to create environments

[charred pewter]

so, it encourages more games with bad performance

[stray badger]

Metahuman and live link make animating massively easier

[stray badger]

No, it encourages people to make nicer art, which big studios apparently dont feel like doing

Nanite doesnt really impact performance that much

It just need a bit more ram and disk space

[twin dew]

It does if you give it too high detail model.

[charred pewter]

i dunno... hogwarts is very pretty ... bunch add 20 npcs near you and the game goes to hell lol

[twin dew]

To downgrade from.

[stray badger]

Lumen does, but devs should have alternatives

[stray badger]

That is a ue4 game

[charred pewter]

it is ?

[stray badger]

Yes

[charred pewter]

but its visually stunning ...

[jagged snow]

Yep

[charred pewter]

huh, what did they break then with the NPC code ... cause anytime more npcs are around the game jinks and jerks like a mad dog 😄

[stray badger]

The point is to make high detailed models less detailed

[thick radish]

I wish they'd focus more on performance. Sure the individual frames look great, and I have plenty of time to enjoy them when the game is running at 20 FPS

[charred pewter]

yet ive never really come across those kinds of issues before in other ue4 games

[stray badger]

Pathfilding i guess

[charred pewter]

its why i thought hogwarts was ue5 ... since it was so visually intense, AND ran terrible in populated areas

[thick radish]

Meanwhile the Atari 2600 did 60

[charred pewter]

it did ? were CRTs even running at 60hz back then?

[thick radish]

(I know that's a totally unfair comparison but hush)

Yeah, NTSC ones at least

[narrow folio]

PAL was 50Hz

[charred pewter]

guess i never noticed ... cause back then every new tech was new tech and exciting regardless 😄 no being spoiled getting the way

[thick radish]

3D games come along with crummy frame rates and we're like "still looks good, I'm sure the performance will improve in a generation or two" and it just doesn't

[stray badger]

Most modern games run well

[charred pewter]

i got spoiled over the last 8 years on 144hz and smooth running games... so this year (and my new rig) has been a very jarring and unimpressive mess ... cause im spoiled

[narrow folio]

The performance increased, but so did the requirements for the 'better' gfx

[stray badger]

Its just some EA and Activision releases that are now being terrible

[charred pewter]

"some" ... doncha mean ALL EA and Acti? 😄

[thick radish]

Maybe I haven't been playing the right games but it seems like 30 FPS is standard now

[stray badger]

Titanfall 2 my beloved

[thick radish]

Except in very specific areas

[charred pewter]

yeah, and 30fps to me is simply unacceptable because "ive seen the light, and cant go back!" lol

[thick radish]

Making very good use of my 300Hz display

[charred pewter]

i woulda killed for 30fps back in the days of early Mac gaming

Marathon at 30fps ... mmmm

[thick radish]

Ah yeah early PC/Mac was another can of worms what with the lack of hardware acceleration

[charred pewter]

my first gpu was a MONSTER 3DFX card

[thick radish]

That's why we didn't care about the poor performance in early 3D. We were just like "Holy crap it's 3D!"

[charred pewter]

indeed 😄

[thick radish]

Today that's not enough to be impressive but studios still act like it is

[charred pewter]

yet people were bitching for 'realism' even back then when those games showed up lol

[thick radish]

Star Fox 1 pushing a whopping 16ish polygons and one whole texture 🤯

[tough owl]

My schools student portal is down because there was payment issues with AWS so their account is frozen

[thick radish]

(and that was WITH an accelerator!)

[charred pewter]

Space Rogue .... i think was my first game that had a 3d generation element in it (for the space flight part)

[thick radish]

oof

[charred pewter]

oh man ... they still sell it: store.steampowered.com/app/569200/Space_Rogue_Classic/

[tough owl]

and I’m debating not going to class since it needs to be up to load the class page thing

[charred pewter]

i actually still have this box in my 'box of game boxes' ...

[thick radish]

I have a major bug with my video driver and I can't report it because the bug tracker's login is broken

[edgy hazel]

What bug

[charred pewter]

hahaha ! "how can i report your reporter is broken"

[thick radish]

The bug is "it crashes when I do pretty much anything"

[jagged snow]

That sounds like maybe not a driver issue...

[charred pewter]

install a different version ?

or even re-install it fresh ... if there was a bug that did that much crashing, then it would be pretty widespread

[thick radish]

I've done a bunch of hardware tests and they've passed. Crash is the same every time and many others report the same thing. Problem is it's believed to be fixed now, when it in fact isn't.

If it's something else, it's a very unlucky coincidence

[charred pewter]

hm

so go back a version?

i had stuck to a certain version of drivers for many revs until one finally came about that didnt have dozens of reports of issues 😄

nvidia had a huge span of "pure shit" drivers there early this year

[thick radish]

I'll probably try that. Problem is I'm not sure what to roll back. There's the driver, kernel, firmware, and a bunch of other parts

I've never had any luck with Nvidia

[charred pewter]

these days its a crapshoot who you go with ...

every "update" is bad... almost across the whole spectrum

even my TV got an update that ruined it for a month till they updated it again

[edgy hazel]

Hey amd only gets you vac banned at least

[charred pewter]

LMAO!

thats a true thing? i thought it was just some rumor nvidia fanbois made up

[edgy hazel]

(which thankfully got resolved and all vac bans got reversed)

No it was real

[charred pewter]

damn thats crazy

[edgy hazel]

Some anti lag feature triggered VAC

[thick radish]

I play on Linux so I assume VAC wouldn't even let me try 😆

[jagged snow]

Because amd thought it was a good idea to modify game code at runtime

[charred pewter]

oh fun

[jagged snow]

Yeah

[edgy hazel]

Hey it works 🤷‍♂️

[charred pewter]

i mean, if they do something and it improves gameplay ... why not ?

[jagged snow]

In this case it didn't

[charred pewter]

oh

[jagged snow]

That was a response to herg lol

The feature worked well, in theory

[edgy hazel]

It did improve response times which is it's goal but also flagged VAC

And they got the issue completely resolved in a timely manner

I do not like that wording at all

I have family

Please

[mental oriole]

😏

[charred pewter]

... is typing ...

[charred pewter]

lounging saturn 5? ive done that... and also on tau ceti

the restaurant and the end of the universe though has some nice lounges... but its overrated overall

[edgy hazel]

Yeah laundry saturn 5 was crazy

[tough owl]

new ps5 disk drive requires an internet connection to use

[charred pewter]

hahahahaha

ouch, just had a kernal panic trying to run a backup lol

and again

[jagged snow]

Hmm

Possible os bug

[charred pewter]

trying to run superduper to my nas instead of the usb-c ssd drive... thinking it freaks out on the network part of it all

its never crashed going to the external ssd ........

i blame this stupid nas, and apples stupid networking code

im switching main macs, so i wanted to make a final backup of the current main mac to my nas... so i can switch the external ssd for backup on the new mac

[maiden coyote]

what kind of nas do you have?

[charred pewter]

a crap one 😄

WD Personal MyCloud rev2 or something like that

it started out fine... had a built in media server, was easy to use, worked, no problems ... then it got multiple firmware/software updates which made it worse and worse, then they removed the media server changing it to a 'install this 3rd party spyware subscription based media server app' ... and then did a firmware update which shut off fans if it was too hot, and turn them on 100% when it was too cold ... then pushed a firmware update which caused all RED drives to report they were suddenly bad and needed replacing

[jagged snow]

So that's when you go with a diy solution...

[charred pewter]

which is what i basically did with my HTPC... put 2 REDs in it as raid, and put the htpc on my network, and now i use that

[jagged snow]

Buy a an old cpu/mobo combo(4th/5th gen i7 is a good candidate for a nas) throw a bunch of drives in and load up freenas

[charred pewter]

and i can even use VNC on it to admin it and manage the files and shares 😄

but i still boot up this shitty WD NAS to do some random backup of data too it... just so its yet another copy of all my shit

[mental oriole]

Shitty design.

[jagged snow]

Then what's the point of having a disk drive 🗿

[charred pewter]

wow ... talk about shitty ... the macos12 folder icons are complete ass to what they used to be

yes, they are that blury, and had dark pixels in corners... yeesh

[charred pewter]

subscription based local hdds 😄

its like my ISP charging me monthly for the router ... which i could just buy for less overall

wait i read that wrong .... it needs an internet connection to use it ???

🤦

[visual tree]

Guess my RTX 3060 TI is considered "ancient" by Nvidia standards

[charred pewter]

anything 6m old is 'ancient' these days 😄

you are running a boomer gpu ...

[visual tree]

Those damn kids, they don't understand the pain of using AGP socket for GPU!

[narrow folio]

AGP was great! VESA local bus was kinda bad...

[twin dew]

Should we go back to ISA and the VLB extension?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Local_Bus

From before PCI was a thing.

[narrow folio]

VLB came, saw and... died

[twin dew]

Because PCI was just so much better.

And seems to have been very tightly coupled with 80486 CPUs.

[narrow folio]

yes, only available on 486 boards

[twin dew]

Few Pentium motherboards with VLB slots were ever made and use VLB-to-PCI bridges such as the OPTi 82C822.

As VLB fundamentally ties a card directly to the 486 processor bus with minimal intermediary logic (reducing logic design and component costs), timing and arbitration duties were strongly dependent on the cards and CPU.

[narrow folio]

oh, never heard about a vlb pci bridge

[twin dew]

Neither had I

[narrow folio]

so, with PCIE - PCI and PCI - VLB adapters... probably not😆

[thick radish]

downgrade seems to have fixed my video issue 🤞

[charred pewter]

interesting

arg! ... 7 is a tad too slow, 8 is a tad too fast... it wont let me put the handle in the middle! lol

[charred pewter]

😆

no really???? i never would have guessed

[torpid plaza]

do any of yall have benchmarks for cpus in satisfactory?

[jagged snow]

There are some... what are you specifically curious about?

[serene charm]

If its a mouse you could just change the DPI, if its a trackpad then I guess there is probably some external software you can use

[charred pewter]

that tracking speed IS the only adjustment for the mouse 😉

its a mac, dumbed down everything! its the new way! 😦

"hmm, a macos update, I will schedule my appointment with the genius bar now before i start it..." 😆

given the last one bricked my mac haha ...

[narrow folio]

maybe a nice option for a steam deck

[charred pewter]

lol 1.5 tb

[narrow folio]

it was never easier to lose that much data in an instant when dropping a microsd card

[charred pewter]

i just.... i just cant wrap my head around a micro sd card having that much space

[narrow folio]

nice data density

[charred pewter]

just transfering my sd card from my dash cam to my computer ... its like a major act of dexterity not to lose the damned thing

and sticking it in a pocket... i forget which one and am patting and digging through every pocket trying to feel for this grain of dirt sd card

its almost gotten so bad, i keep the sd card 'adapter' in the car itself and stick the thing into it so its at least a BIT bigger to handle

[narrow folio]

something like that may be useful

fill that with 1,5TB cards

[charred pewter]

ha!

and then lose it 😄 .... wht would that cost ... hmm

like $1500 down the drain ? 😄

[narrow folio]

170€ in the wd store per card

[charred pewter]

ouch

and here i thought $1200 for a gpu was bad hahaha

[narrow folio]

yeah... better get an external 2TB SSD for less

[narrow folio]

laughs in 4090

I never thought I would spend that much on a GPU...

the R9 390 was around 380 bucks back then. a massive upgrade for a massive price

[tough owl]

It’s only for setup. But still 💀

[pure karma]

to be honest i think something like that would probably be amazing for a very high storage capacity laptop or something

[narrow folio]

I'd rather grab a 15TB Samsung PM1643A for 2k

[pure karma]

i guess but it kind of depends what your doing

[narrow folio]

oh, wait. that drive has a 12G SAS connection. usb to sas adapters are crazy expensive

[pure karma]

personnally i like having a specific thing for each drive

[maiden coyote]

for 2k, why not get 5 20TB ironwolf nas drives and raid them x:

[pure karma]

my HDD is mostly for mass video storage and for recording to whenever im not sure if im gonna do much whit said recording

i have a 2T M.2 dedicated to just games

and a 2T os M.2 that i generally use for video editing when i work on huge video files

[maiden coyote]

I was going to get 2 20tb drives and raid them for my families file server.. but I decided that having a unifi firewall was more important.. it was xd

right now all of our stuff is on a 8tb hdd and a 4 tb hdd

hdds are still great for bulk files like videos, or stuff you don't need fast access to.

[narrow folio]

I don't save a bunch of video data and will never buy a HDD again if nothing changes

[maiden coyote]

but.. 60TB with 2 drive fault tolerance x:

[narrow folio]

but I totally agree that for some bulk storage some ironwolf or red drives are still the way to go if a good cost per TB is a requirement

[maiden coyote]

If that's not your use case and you don't need it then yeah. I don't really trust flash memory like I'd trust a HDD. I've had serveral very old thumb drives go blank after not being powered for a long time.

[narrow folio]

if I need reliable backup I'd consider tape

[maiden coyote]

For a drive that's in a system and powered I don't really think you'll have that issue.

dvd or bluray is pretty good too.

I had dvd's that were burned in 2005 or so that are still readable. for normal home use that's probably pretty good as long as you keep another working backup.

[narrow folio]

I had CD-R and DVD+R go bad, dont use em anymore

[maiden coyote]

I have to. It had to do with the HTL dyes they used I think. bluerays are mostly LTH so they shouldn't have that issue

[narrow folio]

maybe a M-Disk could be an option

up to 100GB per disk. not really fast, but enough for essential data

[maiden coyote]

I might have it backwards. you want the disks with the inorganic dyes.. all the ones that are failing after 10+ years used organic dyes that fade over time.

Yeah, I hope m-disk catches on enough that they'll keep making it

[narrow folio]

yeah, got those with organic layer... archival disk is on the way to make m-disk obsolete, but never researched much into that direction

problem with every long time archive is to have the possibility to detect data rot

[maiden coyote]

rather than trying to do m-disk or anything else what I've pretty much settled on it raid 1 hdd's and replacing them every few years

[narrow folio]

probably the easiest for private use

[maiden coyote]

if it's super important small stuff, I'll burn it to a disk too. for bulk data, just replace the drives when they get old, and hold on to the old set incase the new ones fail for whatever reason

I wanted tape, but it's super expensive and what if the drive breaks

[winged valley]

Correct me if im wrong but theoretically the most optimal setup would be as small of an nvme as possible for the OS and programs (as fast as possible too ofc) plus additional drives for literally anything else (games, storage, etc)

[jagged snow]

Not really

[winged valley]

Because smaller nand packages = smaller map = shorter seek

[jagged snow]

DRAM performance and controller quality are going to be a much bigger factor in drive latency

[winged valley]

Fair point

[jagged snow]

And in most cases, the latency is already low enough that overall speed will have a bigger effect on user experience, and a higher capacity drive will be better for that.

Most high quality gen 4/5 drives operate at sub ms latency anyways

Currently going through the wringer of the UPS claims process

[charred pewter]

not getting far?

[jagged snow]

We're getting... somewhere

I got them to acknowledge it, submitted the photos

It's an extremely bad system btw

I would reccomend that you avoid it if at all possible

[charred pewter]

indeed

you'd think UPS be pretty good at it after all these years ...

[maiden coyote]

good luck

[jagged snow]

I think the process is intentionally bad to discourage claims

[charred pewter]

may very well be

[torpid plaza]

just like, comparing cpus i guess, especially in bigger worlds. want to build myself a computer soon and i want to fully understand all the things before i decide to buy anything

[jagged snow]

Currently amd 5/7800x3d are going to be your best bets

[torpid plaza]

i know, i just want to see the benchmarks

knowing the specific numbers is nice

[jagged snow]

Ah, there aren't a ton of specific benchmarks for satis

I can give you rough comparison numbers to another chip though

[maiden coyote]

I might need help if anyone has any ideas.. I'm connected to my network through a vpn, and I can't access my windows 10 server, I can't ping it, RDP, and samba share doesn't work.

I can access and ping my other server on the network. so I'm pretty sure it's a windows issue. my ip is x.x.3.6 and the windows server is located on x.x.0.159

if anyone knows how to fix that I'd greatly appreciate it

[charred pewter]

ehhh

i dont know enough, but at a glance maybe not being on the same subnet is causing the issue?

[maiden coyote]

that'd probably be why windows is blocking it. The question is how to get it working D:

[maiden coyote]

huh... that's odd...

I removed a block internet rule from unifi firewall.. and now I can open a remote desktop session with it

[sharp oasis]

man Cyberpunk Discord. Some of em Really are Shits when it comes to hardware and brand loyalty

ahh yes an 5600X has troubles with running above 2666mhz ram.

Bulll shiiiiit

[jagged snow]

Yeah... I'm all amd currently but I try to avoid unreasonable loyalty to any company

[tough owl]

I’ve owned something from every major manufacturer

I have my preferences

[jagged snow]

I still buy all of my psus from evga, but that's only because I've never had an issue even with my unit that's over a decade old at this point

[sharp oasis]

I Do bias amd Slightly

but when it comes to reccomendations

[maiden coyote]

we talking about actual 2666mhz, because yeah probably... or ddr speed, which would be half that..

memory at 2666mhz at the infinity fabric would be called 5332mhz memory xd

[sharp oasis]

yeah

2666MT/s

better put

[maiden coyote]

that cpu.. or even the ryzen 1000 series wouldn't have any issues with that

[sharp oasis]

Hence Why i call Bullshit XD

Straight up made a lie.

[maiden coyote]

yeah it is. fanboys going to fan

[sharp oasis]

sure he maentioned a bios bug.

but that dosent affect a Cpus ability to run ram speeds Its just a Bios related issue that was resolved the the dude upgraded the bios

[maiden coyote]

if that's there experience, then they had bad memory

[sharp oasis]

Thats what i said

Possibly a bad Bin. it was 3600Mhz XMP

[maiden coyote]

oml.. they must've quoted that from amd's website

[sharp oasis]

XD

[sharp oasis]

I have bashed heads with that idiot a few too many times.

[jagged snow]

That's also true for intel lol... technically anything but jdec is an oc but that doesn't mean that it's not rated for it

[sharp oasis]

Exactly

i dont really count XMP as a OC per se

or DOCP

tho if you manually tune

yeah thats a OC

technically XMP is an oc

[maiden coyote]

xmp can and does stress the imc on the cpu die.. worse if you've got 4 sticks

[sharp oasis]

He did not.

[sharp oasis]

prolly why my 5500 IMC died

and the reckless OC

leaned my lesson

whent much more conservative with my 5600

[maiden coyote]

I had some memory that wouldn't work with xmp on a 1600af.. I had to down clock it to 3000 to be stable. then it wasen't stable.. turns out the kit was dying.

[jagged snow]

Not the kind of stress that can kill silicon, just the kind that can cause instability

[sharp oasis]

remind you

1.38V IMC

[jagged snow]

Ah

That will kill silicon

[maiden coyote]

Its hard on it for sure xd

[sharp oasis]

how the fuk it survived that for months is

astonshing

[jagged snow]

Wait... have you been here before?

[sharp oasis]

Oh ofc

medi

I change from time to time

[jagged snow]

Ahhhh

I see that

[sharp oasis]

Fresh Colors ig.

[jagged snow]

I was thinking that that story sounded very familiar

[sharp oasis]

gotta shitch it up ever so often.

i have kept Medimedes as my default name for like 3 years/

[sharp oasis]

yep

lol

[maiden coyote]

Vaugly remember someone on here frying a amd chip

[sharp oasis]

Prolly me

[maiden coyote]

I'm sure it was. they rma'd it for you too yeah?

[sharp oasis]

oh no

No rma

No way id get a RMA on that

[maiden coyote]

did you try? I'd be like I've got no idea what happened..

I was just gaming one day and it died

[sharp oasis]

i fried it with soem reckless OCs

[sharp oasis]

Might be domone else

somone

[jagged snow]

That's dishonest

[maiden coyote]

It was probably you.

Hey, It might be a little dishonest.. but they've got a warranty x:

[jagged snow]

Doing stuff like that is how you get stricter warranties and worse experiences when something does break that isn't your fault

[sharp oasis]

Im not Rmaing it

Its a token now

[maiden coyote]

I wouldn't go as far to say that's what'll happen.

[jagged snow]

That might end up being the case with my 6900xt lol

[sharp oasis]

I got another 6700XT

trple fan one from XFX

a buddie gifted me

might swap over

[jagged snow]

If I get denied money I'll have to do a more in-depth teardown and see what's wrong with it

[sharp oasis]

he says it has hotspot issues

[jagged snow]

Might end up doing an oven reflow

[maiden coyote]

they figure some percentage will break. I've been honest before with smaller companies when it was really clear I did something.. but for something as large as amd.. >.>

[sharp oasis]

Fair enough i guess

[jagged snow]

My xfx 6700xt did as well, came from the Coldplay pulling away

[sharp oasis]

i have repaired that issue so far

[jagged snow]

Solution is just a periodic repaste every time the hotspot delta breaks 30

Part of the reason I upgraded

[maiden coyote]

I had a board one time that was crammed into a small enclosure.. the +12V line was right next to the usb sheild and well.. it connected... it worked fine until I plugged it into a computer.

blew a chip off the back of the pcb and fried the usb port on the pc.

[sharp oasis]

Idk if i want to switch over to the XFX one

might do that tbh

better cooling capacity

[sharp oasis]

Damn

[maiden coyote]

I learned that usb shields are normally floating on the slave end that day lol

good deal lol..

[twin dew]

10ms per frame CPU time in Taros save with 7800X3D, in Dune Desert.

Next to the train test.

So would get 100 FPS with suitable GPU.

In U8 with UE 5.1.

[torpid plaza]

wow

thanks

is that from your testing?

[twin dew]

Yes.
Was limited by GPU.

And the RAM was on 4800MT/s Auto.
So some performance from that too with proper RAM speeds.

So yes, I was GPU limited with everything on lowest possible, at 1920x1080 resolution. In Taros save.

No upscaling.

[torpid plaza]

thats amazing

i know what cpu im getting. unless they release the 8800x3d before i have the money saved up for the 7800x3d

[maiden coyote]

mind if I send you my save sometime? my 5800x gets 40fps or less.

[twin dew]

Check the stat unit?
But you can, I can try it once I have done current set of RAM tuning tests done, so in few weeks.

[languid gulch]

i'll usually buy 1 generation old, not just for savings but also because they've usually worked out a lot of bugs since release

[dire igloo]

Don't decide on hardware in advance.
Maybe there'll be another critical flaw with the CPU in the future or maybe your demands change, etc.
Also: what if the price skyrockets or it goes out of stock?

Make your decision when you have the money and are willing to do so.

[languid gulch]

also don't neglect peripherals. 0 point in upgrading if your monitor doesn't support displaying it

i waited to upgrade my gpu until i was sure my new monitor was too much for it

[dire igloo]

Also, more fps is often less of an improvement in enjoyability than higher visual fidelity

[night plaza]

im looking for some more storage for my laptop external is fine and im on a buget any good recomendations

[torpid plaza]

im not deciding on hardware in advance

if something changes ill choose different things, like i said in that message

[edgy hazel]

depending on your budget lol

[torpid plaza]

but also 0 point in upgrading ur peripherals if your hardware cant support

id rather upgade the hardware first allowing me to run games at higher settings and screen later to get better fps/resolution

beacuse at my current hardware i cant run the game on highest settings at 60fps 1080p

[night plaza]

Well anything reasonable for the price I don't know anything about what's good. So if I can't buy it now I can always save up for it and get it later. I often play different games and don't like to have to wait for them to reinstall. I have 1 tb base in my laptop.

[edgy hazel]

well I wouldn't recommend playing from an external drive tbh

[twin dew]

Works fine in most cases.

[edgy hazel]

I kept having stutters

[twin dew]

And if the choices are to replace laptop internal drive, or get external SSD, when you haven't done such swaps before, then I would really go for the external one.

[dire igloo]

Make sure the external drive has a DRAM cache tho

Maybe SLC caching works too, but really not sure

[edgy hazel]

replacing a laptop ssd is like one of the easiest things. But with already 1TB inside it's gonna be a bit more expensive to upgrade

[twin dew]

Not cache, again.
But that the SSD is one with DRAM.

[twin dew]

For anyone who has done PC HW stuff, not for everyone.
And would need OS reinstall too etc.

[languid gulch]

ngl i still haven't transferred my OS over to a bigger drive

[twin dew]

And all current drives have pSLC "caching"

There hasn't been almost any TLC or QLC drive without that.

[dire igloo]

I know that HMB doesn't work over USB and DRAM cache does, anything that's out of these two idk

[twin dew]

The DRAM isn't cache.
It is for holding the redirection table.

Same with the HMB.

[dire igloo]

NM790 has no DRAM cache and performs like this, it's amazing

[languid gulch]

& here i'm still waiting for a 3.5" "all the SSD you can stuff in" that isn't $40k

[twin dew]

I'm not talking about having DRAM or not.
But about you calling the DRAM as cache.

Days of SSDs using on-PCB DRAM as read or write cache for user data are long gone.

The HMB or on-PCB DRAM is used to hold the FLASH redirection table.

So yes, for USB SSD, you need one with DRAM for good performance.
But that DRAM isn't cache.

[dire igloo]

Oooooh, yeah, that makes sense

So it is just HMB vs DRAM cuz anything that's not using the on drive DRAM chip for the table has to use system RAM or be super slow

[twin dew]

Yes, the LBA to FLASH cell address lookups and updates on those are very slow if needed to done direct on the FLASH, without DRAM buffer (on-PCB or HMB).

on-PCB DRAM is sized to be able to have the full lookup table loaded at all times as flat, needing 1GB of DRAM per 1TB of FLASH usually.

With the DRAM address matching the LBA, and then the actual memory containing the FLASH address.

HMB drives have to do more complex things, as the HMB is so small.
And DRAMless non-HMB drives have to do very complex and slow things, and also burn much more flash writes to keep up with changes.

[wanton orchid]

the horrible downside (of having neither those) is write amplification imo
if it was only slow it could stay a cheap tier

[dire igloo]

Isn't HMB also slower when the memory interface is slow?
iirc dram was mandatory with SATA drives and is now obsolete thanks to the high speeds of NVMe

[wanton orchid]

it's more complicated than that

SATA can NOT transport HMB protocol

NVMe is on top of PCIe link which supports memory mapping

[dire igloo]

So this again?

[twin dew]

There are/were DRAMless SATA drives too, just work like HBM NVMe when HBM cannot be used.

[edgy hazel]

Ordered 3

Now I only gotta wait 8-9 weeks

[charred pewter]

does the metal make them quiet ?

[edgy hazel]

according to igors lab yes

mind you this is only one source which tested them before release. They're "released" now which is more a preorder

[dusk rivet]

honestly thought the metal would be worse for sound

feel like it would reverberate more, but i guess i’m wrong

[edgy hazel]

I'll report back once I have em if the claims are true lmao

[stray badger]

More mass = more vibration dampening? Idk

[maiden coyote]

I've always understood it as air volume moved with pressure (air speed) = noise

[maiden coyote]

so smaller fan moving a large volume of air will be louder than a larger fan moving the same amount of air..

[charred pewter]

yeah... which is why being able to fit 140mm in instead of a bunch of 80mm was preferable

or those giant sidepanel 220m fans

which did squat for pressure though, they all sucked

another source of great 'noise' generation is in how they mount to the case/heatsink itself .... if you are screwing a metal frame to a metal body, its going to transfer noise pretty bad. but if they have 'silicon gel grommets' for separation ....... it can reduce the noise quite a bit

these old fans had some great noise separation ... the whole fan vibration unit rests in a light frame on gel points ... so it eliminated all vibration noise ...

ive got one of the really old original 92mm models of that fan, and its more silent than ANY of my noctua

i can usually boost it up to 80% before hearing anything from it

[maiden coyote]

there's also noise made by the fan itself.. motor hum, bearings, and vibration and harmonics from those. I think those would be worse on a fan with a metal chassis

[edgy hazel]

those alphacool fans are still plastic inside, but they are very much isolated from the fan frame itself

[dire igloo]

Ah yes, noise per rpm

[edgy hazel]

you change the cfm in your fan control software? I'd like that too

[dire igloo]

Check out Aerocool Hi-Tech 7 Pro

[dire igloo]

If you bench fans, you measure noise vs performance.
If you set one noise level, you can measure rpm vs performance

[edgy hazel]

okay here have the rpm in relation to cfm

how both graphs relate I assume you can big brain yourself

[maiden coyote]

thats just a chart with pretty colors to me

[dire igloo]

Yeah, lemme calculate noise normalized performance based off that with my brain, nothing easier than that /s

Why can't this guy just post dB(A) vs CFM?

[edgy hazel]

you can with excel

[dire igloo]

It ain't that hard, the data is there

[edgy hazel]

because for a normal user it doesn't make sense.

[charred pewter]

im not very scientific when i compare all the fans i have ... i try to get them all spinning at a rate where they 'sound' the same to me... then i kinda measure how much they push paper away from them or 'feel' in blowing air

then i go with the ones that feel like they push more air for the same noise as the others

[jagged snow]

Either way it's clearly much better than the other charted fans. It performs way better and is way quieter at any given rpm

[charred pewter]

i dont actually have any guages or meters to measure the actuals

[edgy hazel]

No please publish the data in the way I want

[charred pewter]

ive got like a wind tunnel box with a flap... if one fan pushes the flap open more than another (at the same relative noisey level)... i go with that one

[edgy hazel]

I have my hand I put over the fan to see if it makes a lot of air or only a little air

[charred pewter]

my noctua barely pushed the flap open ... my nzxt pushed it way open ... same noise levels

yeah... 'the hand trick' works too 😄

[dire igloo]

That is the one thing you actually want to know when picking fans - which fan is the quietest for a certain performance or which one performs best at a certain noise level?

[edgy hazel]

That's your preference. Please take it up with igors lab

[dire igloo]

I'm criticizing the journalism, not the data

[dire igloo]

Well, what do YOU want to know from a fan review?

[charred pewter]

then i had a couple ... uhh ... thermaltake Tt ? i think they are ... they were pushing lots of air, and appeared quiet, until you actually mounted them into anything and they were so noisey with a grating whine i tossed em

like "not all noise levels are equal" cause some noises are painful vs others which may be overall 'louder' ... but more acceptable

and thats not really anything you can measure, since human ears differ

[dire igloo]

This is the data that I want - performance vs noise

[dire igloo]

Eh, with 120mm fans, the pitch is almost always the same

[charred pewter]

also if the ambient room noise 'matches' the noise from a fan... one person may not even hear the fan in their situation, while another person in their room would be like 'holy crap this fan sucks'

[edgy hazel]

since almost all fans output a similar amount of air in the sense of little air to a lot of air, I want to know how loud it is at full blast. Idc about cfm most of the time.

[dire igloo]

People prefer 120dB(A) rock music over a 110dB(A) crying baby

[charred pewter]

right

those Tt fans had this annoying whine to their motors ... i couldnt stand it

[dire igloo]

Soo... Noise level at 100%?

[edgy hazel]

I'll let you figure out yourself what "full blast" means

[charred pewter]

and THEN you have situations where if you pair fans in 2s ... you get reverb going on... but a trio of fans can eliminate that

[dire igloo]

Like this?

[jagged snow]

UPS completed the review process, notified shipper. Waiting to hear back on the verdict

[charred pewter]

🤞

[pure karma]

what is it whit internet providers and there shitty speeds recently this should be a 400/400(mbps) conection and its averaging like 0.15-5 MBps (thats wired btw)

got 0.15 download and 0.09 upload on wireless so the ethernet cable isent the problem

[dusk rivet]

holy that’s bad

[pure karma]

yea id atleast expect like 70MBps average for both

this is the worst case of this i have seen but just in general wifi in the last week has just been going to shit everywhere

last time i used this wifi we where hitting it whit like 12 steam remote play sessions at once and it was fine

[sharp oasis]

I had some odd service outages lately

But never a loss in speed like that

@pure karma are you sure you have unlimited

As if you arent

I'll assume you've blown your data cap and are throttled bsck

[charred pewter]

@pure karma I'm guessing you have already done the general "reboot all routers" bit ... if not, then do that

whenever i get wifi shenanigans ... its always one (or all) of the routers/repeaters that need a swift kick in the power outlet LOL

you could also try a different 'channel' ... maybe a neighbor is blasting the same channel and its all cloberring

[jagged snow]

Unless he's changed it It should do auto channel selection, and that wouldn't explain the slow enet speeds

[charred pewter]

call up the ISP... complain ... get nowhere ... call up the ISP again in two minutes ... complain ... get nowhere ... MAYBE get bumped to level2 ...

until you get to level2, nothing will get fixed

[pure karma]

yea cuz 0.04MBPS on a 400mbps line is practically just straight up scaming

[charred pewter]

they WILL blame you and your hardware for the first few calls ... just be patient, its 'their process'

every ISP is a pain to deal with 🙂

[pure karma]

the problem is its being provided from intel atleast from what the properties say

[charred pewter]

10 years ago, i had a problem with my isp ... it was clearly their end... it took me 3 calls before they transferred me to a level2 guy... and then it took two weeks for them to finally realize they had a problem. then they sent two guys out to the nearby dslam, and replaced a switch. My internet was solid for 8 years after that

[upper plinth]

Am I literally the only one that has "acceptable" ISP that you can actually talk with and get stuff fixed quick-ish?

[pure karma]

and i know for a fact i wouldent get anywhere whit intel if it is in fact provided by them

[charred pewter]

right 😄 ... you are with "the exception to the rule" company ... must be nice

[upper plinth]

Indeed it is 😅 The worse part is it's literally not even my company, but the region I'm in. The same company but in different regions is worse than what you described above >.>

[charred pewter]

this is my current 600/300 line im paying for:

and yes ...... 600/300 is what they list for me on my bills ... yet i get higher than that ... so i never complain 😄

[upper plinth]

That's great

[thick radish]

Smaller regional providers tend to have decent service but are leasing infrastructure from the big ones so there's only so much they can do

[upper plinth]

I'm living 20km from the capital of the Poland with Poland-wide ISP, so that's not that, but yea the regional / local providers are nice most of the time from what I've heard

[charred pewter]

the ISP here used to be a city only company, only serving the greater city area here... then they got bought out by a company which seems to service a few states in this region.

but ive been 'a loyal customer since 2001' ........ which i use to strong arm them everytime my promotional deal is up for debate LOL

[maiden coyote]

Man I wish I had that upload...

[charred pewter]

they can either keep me every month of two years at a discount .... or they only get me half of the time for introductory rates ...

the "flip flop game"

every two years flip to the other company for their introductory rate, when it expires, flip back over to the other company for their introductory rate ...

OR they can just give me a 'decent discount' and keep me the entire time ... i mean, its a no brainer

[upper plinth]

Same... I have 750/40... what is terrible upload speeds for my needs, but it is what it is

[charred pewter]

40 ?

[upper plinth]

yes... its terrible ratio I know, but this is what I've got from them last time I changed my plan :P

[charred pewter]

i came from 30 .... it was painful uploading files to the work servers or google drives

now, im like ... drop 150mb video on youtube and its posted basically instantly

before it was like .. ."time for lunch!"

[upper plinth]

I had 250/25 2 years ago, that realistically was 250/15 >.>

[charred pewter]

😦

[upper plinth]

That was pain to use. Thankfully I can change plans soon, so I will fight for higher upload speeds :D

[maiden coyote]

i can get 1g fiber.. but it cost twice as much as the shitty intro rate I'm getting now with suddenstink

[charred pewter]

this 600/300 isnt cheap though... im paying $62/mo for it :/ and thats discounted by like $30/mo

[maiden coyote]

but they claim it's 1000/1000 up/down

but it "starts at" $90/month

[charred pewter]

yeah, im rated for their 2gb line, and i told the guy "seriously... what am i gonna do with that" and he laughed, and said they dont have a single customer on the 2g plan yet lol

[maiden coyote]

so until I set something up that needs more than 20mbps... right now I've just got a dedi satis server, and a vpn setup for my cameras

[charred pewter]

90/mo for the 1gb ? yeah ... thats about what it is here

"starts at"

meaning introductory offer for new setups

[maiden coyote]

before I switch, I'm going to call the cable provider and tell them I'm canceling to go to tmobile hotspot internet.. get 3 months free.. let it run out, cancel and get fiber xd

[charred pewter]

ends up like $110/mo after the first 2 years

[maiden coyote]

$110 after two years hurts. but if they'll give me a modem that supports bridge mode so I can host my dedis... well

[upper plinth]

Well for my 1000/??? (They don't spec upload speeds for whatever reason in Poland, no jokes all companies here do that) I would pay... 12 bucks

[maiden coyote]

I still need to get samba shares working on the vpn D:

they're probably throtteling your upload.. or your modem sucks.. if you upgrade to business internet you'll probably have the same up/down

[charred pewter]

a dedicated IP is like an additional $10/mo

thing is ... ive had the same IP for 2 years now lol

[stray badger]

300/10

[charred pewter]

last time my IP changed was due to a 4 hours power outage where my UPS failed to keep the router going

[maiden coyote]

you can use a dynamic dns.. i think that'll handle it switching.. I had the same ip for months, even after switching cable modems. what made it change is when I replaced my router with the UDM

[charred pewter]

yeah, theres doable ways around a changing ip

its not worth $10/mo for a static ip lol

maybe if you are a company, hosting a website service ... sure

[maiden coyote]

for now, I'll just update my services. although I'm not sure how wireguard will handle it.. that might be a pain if I have to reconfigure all of those clients

f... I think I will.. ohwell

even if you're a business, you can get around it with ddns

unless you're running a data center or something.

[tough owl]

700/800 😎

Realistically I should have symmetrical but other people are always using it

[twin dew]

Hmm... Seems my CPU is ok with FCLK 2200 with the RAM settings I have...
No (major?) performance regressions when went up the IF speeds.
Y-cruncher VT3 went up each step.
Linpack kept at about same or went up.
PyPrime went up.

With default VDDG.

Y-cruncher VT3 test over 1 minute, after 2 minutes of other tests first, geometric mean of three runs:
IF 2000: 7.43 IF 2033: 7.49 IF 2067: 7.54 IF 2100: 7.57 IF 2133: 7.63 IF 2167: 7.68 IF 2200: 7.70 IF 2233: No boot

VST also went up, but that was the second test, so only 1 minute of previous load and newly booted Windows, so the results have stuff going on in them from the other loads.

But need to do more testing next week.

But leaving it to run y-cruncher with 60GB of RAM for the night, to see if the scores change over time.

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow Its odd Detroit become human is The only game i can play at 4k 60 with ultra settings

on a 6700XT its suprisingly optimized

[stray badger]

I bet you can play portal 2 at 4k 60 ultra

[tough owl]

wccftech.com/hogwarts-legacy-switch-size/ 🤣

[narrow folio]

what? how? why? just nuke the launch code and directly distribute the patch

[wanton orchid]

not even
just use dns instead and update your ip regularly

[sharp oasis]

ive found a dude who unironcially uses a GT710 as a gamming gpu

[jagged snow]

I played on a 470 for a long time

[sharp oasis]

He did buy a new gpu so.

hope he gets the pref boost he is seeking

[languid gulch]

i bought a Dell "gaming pc" in 2017 thinking i was getting something worthwhile. turns out they halved the vram in the gpu & didn't bother telling anyone

[dusk rivet]

dell moment

[prisma yoke]

So my dad told me i could use his old laptop but the caviot is that he doesnt remember the password for it. Its on windows 7, how would I go about getting in?

[dire igloo]

superuser.com/a/999387

There's a similar way with a windows install medium too, but it's essentially the same: replace utilman.exe with cmd.exe

[jagged snow]

Alternatively, just install a new os on top of it if there's nothing important

[dire igloo]

That works too

Just install win11 and not care about anything

[edgy hazel]

Install Kali and watch ur dad get arrested for accidentally pentesting the US Government (they failed the pentest)

[tough owl]

What gpu did they do this to

[jagged snow]

16xx iirc

[prisma yoke]

doubt the laptop gonna handle it, its old

but i can install a new os true

[stray badger]

Install linux

[prisma yoke]

uhm i never actually downloaded an OS, linux especially

[upper plinth]

If you need some more support Explained in Polish, just ping me :D

[charred pewter]

sus!

[stray badger]

go to the site, download the .iso file, use rufus to put in onto a usb drive, plug drive into laptop, hold down boot menu key, boot to usb, install from live environment

[sharp oasis]

lmfao

[charred pewter]

my fricken MBP bricked itself again ... and all i did THIS time was attempt a clean restart (quit all apps, went to menu to 'restart') ... died, black screen of death. Just spent the last hour driving to and from the apple store and they are going to send it in to the main repair center this time

[gilded helm]

Hopefully you at least get a higher spec machine for the trouble

[charred pewter]

i highly doubt that

they would only replace same logic board with same model

[tough owl]

apple has been known to give new spec machines for the hassle

esp with 15in butterfly mbp

[charred pewter]

maybe if they claim its fixed this time, and it bricks itself next week when i go to reboot it ... the third time they might lol

although the only next higher spec mbp... would be a whole M2 mbp ... since ive got the latest M1 mbp

[visual tree]

Guess playing video does have it perks. I was shooting at the target yesterday for the first time with an airsoft rifle and managed to beat every opponent 😄

But when we were about to practice shooting for fun, we ran out of pellets 😦

Some people don't even know how to hold a rifle properly lol

[jagged snow]

Airsoft is pretty fun

I sold off my gear about two months ago because it got too expensive, but I really enjoyed it while I was playing

[visual tree]

Meanwhile, I enjoyed it so much I consider wasting money on the gear lol

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah it's a blast

[visual tree]

We were using a rifle that's connected to a C02 canister

[jagged snow]

Oh cool
I've mostly run electric gear since I played indoors

[upper plinth]

I think I might need to ask ya for a bit of help, as I'm having enough of google showing me "How to fix black desktop wallpaper" results when I try to search anything with Virtual Desktops Background in Task View fort past god damn 3 hours >.>
So, after updating my Graphic Drivers, usually what happens is that transparency effects get a bit screwed up, Taskbar gets... weirdly too transparent than usual and thing posted in the screnshot happens. However that 99% of the time just fixed itself after a reboot. However this time for whatever reason, it did not... and that is the most irritating thing I currently have happening with my windows, as I use Task View and Virtual Desktops functionality daily.
Tried reinstalling graphic drivers from zero, scanning integrity of Window files, Clean boot to see if its some app interfering,, but nothing >.>
Any ideas on why this didn't fix itself after a reboot and how to fix it, or how to phrase the question so google gets me some useful info instead of "How to fix black wallpaper 100% working 2023" ❤️?

[visual tree]

I suck at painball though. Luckily, I've been hit in the chest armor and didn't feel any pain. Some people weren't that lucky and got hit in armpit from a close distance and it was painful for them

[upper plinth]

Also sorry for likely huge off-topic from what you are currently talking about, but I don't have other place to talk with Tech people than here so :P

[jagged snow]

So, to make sure I understand your question:

• your wallpaper sometimes goes to black
• your taskbar transparency is messed up

[upper plinth]

Well, not wallpaper, but the background of the VirtualDesktops in Task View, as shown above in the Screenshot

This should be normally transparent, yet it's black for past few days

[jagged snow]

Ah, I see

I'm running win11 so it's hard for me to troubleshoot, and I haven't encountered that specific issue before

[upper plinth]

It always happened when Graphics Driver got restarted, so pretty much whenver I update or disconect a monitor. Like mentioned, it should have fixed itself after a reboot, but it doesn't do that for last week and I'm out of ideas >.>

[jagged snow]

That's a very interesting issue... what gpu do you have?

[upper plinth]

RTX 3070 from Aorus, Using Geforce Experience to download drivers

Same issues was happening when I had GTX 1050 ti like 2/3 years ago, so it's nothing new for me that this exists :P

[jagged snow]

Oh interesting, I've used virtual desktops for a long time and haven't seen that pop up

Have you reinstalled windows in that time?

[upper plinth]

iirc yes, at least once

[charred pewter]

did you get the UPS situation figured out ?

[jagged snow]

Not yet... seller is insisting they haven't contacted him, UPS is saying they did...

[charred pewter]

grrrrreat

[jagged snow]

Yeah 😦

[obsidian smelt]

Anyone here familiar with Debian 12?

nvm

[charred pewter]

no

im barely familiar with ubunto 22

[upper plinth]

If anyone is interested in my issue from the yeasterday, I found the post on Microsoft forums (finally) related to that issue, and they had additional issue that the backgroud image would get corrupted on higher than 1080p res. Tried that today, and sure enough, this is what is happening for me 👀
They didn't fix it at the end ;-; So I'm going to look for more posts or maybe even do my own? We will see :P (URL: answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/task-view-is-corrupted/afc4ee0d-f2bb-4c07-8272-27230716a1e1)

[wanton orchid]

are you using Windows 10 with Windows updates on ?

because this looks pretty much like the usual Microsoft sabotage

task view bugging, alt-tab bugging
windows app buttons not showing up
file explorer suddenly becoming utterly slow for no reason

[charred pewter]

apple 'has received' my stupid as broken laptop ...

[jagged snow]

@edgy hazel since I know you're a fan of FSR comparisons and we have it in satisfactory now, here's what I found.
All settings at ultra, using TAA
Fsr off, 100% resolution:

FSR Quality:

FSR Balanced:

FSR Performance:

And upscaled from 1080:

[dusk rivet]

they all look the same

[jagged snow]

Pretty much

[mental oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-pam-beesly-theyre-the-same-picture-the-same-picture-they-are-the-same-picture-gif-20830121

[charred pewter]

yeah ... why are you spamming the same picture over and over again ...

[maiden coyote]

They're not quite the same

That's on the upscaled from 1080p not enough difference to matter to me personally

[charred pewter]

this is where i think some people stare at a few pixels on the screen, instead of just enjoying the big picture and playing the game

[maiden coyote]

Slight distorting on fine lines and text.

If they weren't screen shots I wouldn't notice, or care

[charred pewter]

gimmie smooth play ... thats all i ask for these days .... so many games with hiccups and jerks constantly jolting me out of the game immersion

a herkjerk is like a kick in the head ... its hard to 'not see' those as opposed to maybe a jagged line vs a smooth line in some obscure corners

[maiden coyote]

Pretty much. I think it's impressive that I had to look at that small of a detail to find imperfections.

[charred pewter]

NOW ... there are 'bad antialiasing' which is visually terrible, cause its basically sparkling on the screen and THAT can be hellish annoying

when you start to see rolling movement along edges of things distracting you ...

[maiden coyote]

Yeah that's no good.

[charred pewter]

DEATH STRANDING has an antialias setting that does that, and it was like holy cow... turn THAT off lol

it was some weird mix of aa with upscale or something, and it was night/day noticeable and distracting

[maiden coyote]

But upscaling to let me play a game with higher graphics setting, and higher frame rate.. I'll gladly take a little distortion on small text and distant tiny details.

[charred pewter]

yah

now if i have to like ... turn OFF shadows ... or SSOA ... just to get some performance... i wont, cause shadows visually add so much to the view

but i wont use "Ultra" shadows ... cause 'Low" is almost always acceptable to me

its just the act of casting a blury dark shadow that gives everything a sense of depth and immersion ... those shadows dont need to show the hairs on my head flowing in the wind though =p

[upper plinth]

Yes I do :P But none of the updates were happening recently.

[wanton orchid]

the usual trick is to update with something like :

if after(Windows11_shit_deadline):
    do(trash)

[upper plinth]

So pretty much after I get "W11 is ready for your pc, download it now" bs, and I say no, W10 decides to trash itself and stuff like that happens?