off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

Large boost in RAM latency, not in general performance.

[cyan crescent]

I didnt really tune my pc all that hard.

[twin dew]

Hobby thing mostly.

Can give from few percent to five percentage difference in game FPS as general guideline IIRC.

Compared to just XMP + Auto.

[cyan crescent]

Yeah. I thought about it but i probably would’ve done it had i gotten higher end parts.

[wanton orchid]

tone of experience though
I guess now you can see room for basic stable oc in few hours on amd board

[twin dew]

But need to see if I can get tRDWR down significantly from 16, if I up the tWRRD first.

Read to Write latency and Write to Read latency.
How fast you can switch from one to the other in command stream.

But ok, that split seems to be normal for DDR5, max the tWRRD could be set was 15.

Auto leads to 8 and 21...
So yeah, getting the RDWR down much is probably a complete pipe dream with DDR5.

14 booted, like before, 12 in training right now, and didn't boot before IIRC, with the previous CPU.

Yup, didn't train in the normal minute, giving it three more minutes before I clear CMOS.

Ok, it was stuck with VGA error light, so the RAM had "trained" but was too unstable for the IGP to work.

[twin dew]

But anyways, night of Memtest with the total set of tightest timings I could manage.
Then tomorrow I need to finish the Windows side premilinary tests for all the steps I skipped.
Then up the FCLK.
Then see if loosening some timings helps or not.
And then run fuckton of different stability tests.

[frozen anvil]

anyone owning a 7900xtx here? if yes what´s your experience? I owned one but send it back couse of stuttering and coil whine, did it improve?

[twin dew]

One or two 7900XT:s, no XTX:s IIRC.

[frozen anvil]

hows that one doing?

[twin dew]

No idea, need answer from the people with one.

No significant complains I could remember.

[frozen anvil]

🥲

[twin dew]

But the coil whine was card specific thing.

It wouldn't have fixed itself on that card, and others of the same exact model would probably have had the same issue.

[frozen anvil]

mine was really bad, i had a red devil

[twin dew]

And that one had/has significant cooler problems too, as the only custom model.

IIRC

Separate issue from the reference model cooler manufacturing faults

Yup.

[wanton orchid]

using igp is probably handy to fast test memory settings, free automatic memory stresstest

[twin dew]

Not really, it prevents proper testing for the dedicated part of the RAM.

[wanton orchid]

how would cpu be part of the limit for that though? isnt the cpu just waiting before sending more commands on the groups ?

[twin dew]

Need to run later old BIOS version of memtest too with separate GPU.
Because UEFI is hogging 300MB or so of RAM that cannot be tested even with UEFI Memtest86.

[wanton orchid]

I mean you can disable it afterward can't you ?

[twin dew]

Just some bad comments about those two being tied in some way.
And that if one is low other cannot.
So had to check, and was at least for DDR5 complete crap.

Even when it seemed to be complete crap even before testing.

[wanton orchid]

this remember me I swear myself to wait ryzen 8000 before buying ddr5 and am5

[twin dew]

Will do such testing later.
But the AMD cards I have don't work with the same driver as the IGP.
And the Nvidia cards I have are even older.
So just ran with 64MB dedicated VRAM for now.

Because couldn't be arsed to switch GPU drivers or reinstall Windows to use separate card.

Also because completely disabling the IGP might change things.
And I plan to use it to drive additional monitors.

Need return to high-end gaming GPUs with six mini-DP:s, two which are DP++.

But yeah, they didn't sell, because most don't want that kind of thing.

Not many people want to connect five displayport monitors to same computer.

[twin dew]

🛌

[knotty dust]

Having some troubles with my RAM atm, I assume this is a decent place to ask 😛

My PC is saying that I only have one stick of RAM, when I have two installed. I've checked the connections for both sticks- taken them out and securely put them back in, and I have also checked BIOS to make sure both slots are enabled- they are. idk why it wouldn't be showing up properly.

Going to test individual sticks right now to see if one is damaged. Will report back.

Welp, one stick is faulty. Lovely.

[narrow folio]

At least you have found the issue... Have you switched the two sticks? Just to be sure it's not the board or memory controller or bad contact of the CPU to the socket

[knotty dust]

I switched the two sticks, yeah. One of them, the good one, works in both slots, and the bad works in neither.

I contacted the manufacturer, so I'll see what they say

[dusk rivet]

decided to go more blue/purple heavy in the cyberpunk build
also switched to EK's indigo violet coolant

[cyan crescent]

Question, if i got a usb-c to pcie slot adapter and connected it up to a usb-c slot on my mobo, would that work?

[wanton orchid]

completely depends on your usb-c setup

that would only work on a thunderbolt/usb4 setup that also (not built-in) supports pcie pass through

[cyan crescent]

Its a usb 3.2 gen 2x2 port

[wanton orchid]

and then you will only get 2 PCIe 4.0 lanes if I remember right

[wanton orchid]

then no

[cyan crescent]

So i would need an m.2 to pcie adapter?

[wanton orchid]

what do you want to achieve with usb-c exactly because I worry I didn't get what you mean by usb-c to PCIe

[cyan crescent]

Im trying to use an add-in pcie card but dont have a spare pcie slot due to using an ITX board and the only slot has a graphics card in it.

[wanton orchid]

:/

[cyan crescent]

Didn’t realize til after i built the pc that i would be thinking about getting the wireless adapter for the htc vive

[wanton orchid]

and I bet it needs high throughput

[cyan crescent]

It only needs 1 lane

[maiden coyote]

nvme is pci x4.. or it's supposed to be

When I was reading about google corals apparently some nvme ports are only wired for 2 lanes which causes issues with the x2 coral

So if you need to, using an adapter of that sort should* work.

usb to pcie only works if the usb driver supports pci passthrough if I'm not mistaken.

[wanton orchid]

note you do can use nvme ssds with usb-c
with a compatible enclosure
but it's not 1:1 connections
it translate the nvme/pcie links to the compatible layer and protocols on usb

[maiden coyote]

I might be mistaken and a nvme slot is only 2 lanes of pcie

[wanton orchid]

only usb4 is rated for PCIe pass-through

[wanton orchid]

it depends
it technically can be only 1
but rarely
good M.2 ports are x4

[maiden coyote]

if it's not a storage device, you'll probably have issues with the device. if you do usb to pcie

[wanton orchid]

it's stated in the motherboard documentation

[wanton orchid]

not really
it depends
a M.2 slot IS PCIe lanes
the nvme protocol is on top of PCIe
so this is an actual PCIe connection

[maiden coyote]

I mean if they used a usb to pcie that converted the signals from usb to pci

[wanton orchid]

but as they said their device would only be PCIe x1
it's more important to focus on the PCIe version than on the number of lanes

[wanton orchid]

usb pcie is a complete other thing
you were talking about M.2 PCIe adapters

I didn't talk about a straight PCIe to usb-c device other than for USB4 pass-through

[maiden coyote]

I was late to the convo. they specified 1 lane. would help to know what the device is. this is about the best I've found for m.2 to pcie lol

could use that and a 1x riser cable.

[wanton orchid]

to summarize :

• usb 3.2, usb-c to PCIe pass-through/high-performance : NO
• USB4 with PCIe pass-through, usb-c to PCIe pass-through : yes
• NVMe / sata M.2 ssd to usb-c 3.2 with 3.2 performance : yes
• real M.2 PCIe port to PCIe connector : yes

everything else is low performance trick

[wanton orchid]

they told what the device is
this both high throughput low latency requiring device

[maiden coyote]

guess i just can't read today.

[wanton orchid]

htc vive wireless

or I confused myself and it's not video ?

[maiden coyote]

I think it's a full wireless vr headset thing. video, audio, and controls.

[wanton orchid]

So real PCIe capabilities are needed

[cyan crescent]

The device im using is the htc wireless adapter and an adapter like that isn’t physically possible in my case

[wanton orchid]

only M.2 PCIe adapter match that

[wanton orchid]

why though ?

[cyan crescent]

Im using the nzxt h1 case and the only free m.2 slot is on the back of the motherboard. Where the gpu is

[maiden coyote]

ohboy

[cyan crescent]

Im trying to see if it might be possible before i pull the trigger on anything

[maiden coyote]

you might be able to move your nvme drive to the back of the motherboard and use that adapter on the front.. if your front m.2 doesn't have a heatsink or something fancy over it that needs to be there to cool chips on the board

[wanton orchid]

you can't switch M.2 s so the one free have room for riser ?

[cyan crescent]

I might be able to move the ssd in the system to the other m.2 slot but then i run into clearance issues on the cooler

[maiden coyote]

I have that case, it's a nice case.. but there's definitely no extra room

[cyan crescent]

What if i used a riser cable and brought it outside the case?

Would i encounter any issues using an m.2 extension?

[wanton orchid]

depends

[maiden coyote]

shouldn't no, until you exceed the length for the pci

[wanton orchid]

riser cables don't like other cables and don't like twisting

[cyan crescent]

Only thinking about bringing it out a foot

[wanton orchid]

are you sure it does not fit behind the motherboard ?
it just need room for an angled riser cable and then you can bring it flat the other side by following the motherboard edge

[maiden coyote]

the ssd will.. that won't.

[cyan crescent]

There is room between the back of the motherboard and the gpu but not much

[maiden coyote]

there's probably ~5mm of space between the back of the motherboard and the gpu.

[cyan crescent]

I might be able to fit a riser cable. Maybe

[maiden coyote]

if you don't have an aio and you used a 14" or so riser, maybe you could mount the card under the fans ontop of the case, and route the riser cable around your cpu cooler?

[wanton orchid]

you should calculate pcie connector + angled riser cable height
but starting from the M.2 facing level
not from typical M.2 ssd cooler level

[cyan crescent]

Could i just have it external of the case?

[maiden coyote]

if you're okay with it, I don't see any issue with leaving it hanging out the side of the case no.

[wanton orchid]

it must be resting on something so the riser cable does not get struggle

[cyan crescent]

Im fine with it. Just trying to see if i would encounter any signal issues or whatever if i did so

[wanton orchid]

but as long as the riser cable is not pulled or stretched or twisted then it's ok

[maiden coyote]

I was thinking of the wrong case. if you can get it out of the case with the riser, maybe you can use doublesided tape

do you know what version of pci it is?

higher pci version = shorter cables.

[cyan crescent]

The device i want to use?

[wanton orchid]

the riser cable must be straight, not sticked to other cable, and resting
but then it is working

[cyan crescent]

3 or 4 i believe

[wanton orchid]

3 4 are simple to double

it must be in the htc vive documentation

[maiden coyote]

according to this.. this is your max length.. I don't know if that's measured at the socket, or from the cpu

[gilded helm]

Doesn't stuff like this defeat the purpose of SFF?

[cyan crescent]

Linus has gotten it to like 5 feet

[maiden coyote]

since you've got an itx board, I'd assume it doesn't matter since the traces inside the board itself are very short compared to atx

[cyan crescent]

Im only looking to get it just outside the case

[maiden coyote]

linus doesn't care if it only worked for long enough to make a video.

[wanton orchid]

and just so the device boot up probably

[wanton orchid]

check it
for x8 devices you usually have room
but we are talking about a x1 device here
any kind of trouble or lower performance will get you bad conditions

ngl I wish usb4 was more pushed in PC market for that kind of things
usb-c usb4 will really be the first universal "you just plug it in" connection in all aspects mostly

ryzen 8000 have to get it right I swear

[maiden coyote]

I think this is their case. Not their build.. but it shows how much extra room there is x:

[wanton orchid]

where are we looking at

[maiden coyote]

side of case.. left to right, AIO rad, center is pcie riser and motherboard, gpu

[wanton orchid]

ok fair

that back M.2 is almost dead already

no way a riser can connect here

[maiden coyote]

if they have a tower air cooler, I think they'll be able to use the m.2 on the front of the board and route it out towards the bottom of the board (facing camera)

if they have that exact setup.. might still be possible to do the same. I don't really see any other way of making it work.

I was kind of annoyed that intel has thunderbolt, ( and USB4 too ) and it's not widely adopted.

[wanton orchid]

maybe one could try finding a side pcie to m.2 pcb

that would go in the back

Intel has it the easy way
thunderbolt is their things

[maiden coyote]

they've got these.. and that cable could probably be folded to 90 degrees

[wanton orchid]

m.2 direct riser ?

[maiden coyote]

https://www.amazon.com/Xiwai-Vertical-Adapter-Female-Extension/dp/B097H548QQ

[wanton orchid]

it will be the most complicated pcie extension card setup possible I swear

full pcie pass-through but multi riser angled low profile setup

damned

pcie 3.0

still waiting for Callie to check the target pcie version

it should not be hard to find especially if they already have the extension card

[wanton orchid]

oh, it's 2 way converter, didnt notice at first sight, that's nice

I want one now ..

I dont have any riser at home, I find these a bit fascinating

[languid gulch]

now i wanna see a pc with the most ridiculous connectors possible, that still somehow functions

kinda like when LTT attached like 40 PCIe riser cables together & it still worked

but on everything

[wanton orchid]

for here it would be :
M.2 -> riser cable -> PCIe x1 slot -> M.2 -> PCIe x4 slot + power supply -> extension card

[dusk rivet]

got pc building sim 2 so now i can mock up something like the build i spec'd out

[languid gulch]

maybe having a PSU for each component?

ok now for the real question. is there such a thing as a CPU adapter

[maiden coyote]

You want this.

You can find one for less I think.

www.waveshare.com/pcie-packet-switch-4p.htm

[twin dew]

That is specifically just PCIe M.2 to PCIe slot converter card, with Molex power.
The chips on the board are just to generate 3.3V for the slot, because Molex doesn't carry that voltage.

[twin dew]

Most risers for Gen4 or Gen5 are active because of this.
So they have signal amplifiers, which cause the cost to be so high.

[twin dew]

Seems to be meant for specific Raspberry Pi models only:

Not allow direct plugging onto PC mother board

.
For Alan Wake 2:

According to Remedy dev tweet, only cards with mesh shaders are supported. So that means nvidia 10 series and amd 5000 series are not supported and if it runs at all, it will be buggy.

Deleted now, because of hostile player replies?

So RDNA2 or Turing or newer only, need DX12 Ultimate.

DX12 Ultimate spec was released in march 2020...

Ok, Intel is even worse in reality on official DDR5 support than AMD currently:
edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products/platforms/details/raptor-lake-s/13th-generation-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/006/processor-sku-support-matrix/

For 13th gen Intel CPU on ANY MB with 4 DIMM slots, the max officially supported DDR5 RAM speed is 4400MT/s.
Even if you only have 1x1R DIMM per channel.
The 5600MT/s is only supported on MBs with only 2 DIMM slots.

AMD Raphael and Intel "14th" gen for comparison on 4 DIMM slot MB:

[twin dew]

Buildzoid rambling about RAM XMP ratings, MB QVLs and it actually working in YOUR system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvFQDSBQh1U

[sharp oasis]

I had a MC frame take 10min to render and then my driver to crash anyway

Fuck screenshot only shaders go brrrrr

[dire igloo]

@dusk rivet check out Thermalright Frozen Vision
Released this month, china only for now, $140 for the 360mm version

[dire igloo]

Core Matrix might fit the Cyberpunk aesthetic too

[wanton orchid]

that is the way to instantly kill every composent not to be fancy

every components need to have exact same ground

[twin dew]

Nah.
If the grounds aren't connected any way, then it works.
But if grounds are, and that makes the 0V rails have different potential then it causes major issues.

But usually both ground and 0V will end up being connected anyways.

If you take two completely isolated 12V power supplies, and connect the +12V line of one and 0V line of the other together, you can use that to drive 24V loads for example.

And in turn with PC PSUs, the 0V lines are connected to the case and the ground pin of the input.
So if both PSUs are in same grounded power strip or have their cases connected together, it will work fine.
But cannot be used in that kind of "boost" pair.

To get higher voltages.

And using multiple PSU:s to run LN2 OC systems has been pretty common for long time.

[wanton orchid]

what do you mean
0V is literally set by the ground
what the psu will make the ground if they set it themselves is not a specific ambiant level, as long as it either is close to ambiant or close to ac ground or not connected in the psu to anything else
note that ac ground is not ambiant ground
also it depends on the components connections scheme
but they do expect some voltage on both side of communication channels even if the communication channels are floating
like for sata for instance
different ground mean taking risk of killing either communication chips or even both
it does not need to be explicity connected to kill everything
so you want it to be absolutely connected
but unless you studied the psus
you at the start can't make sure they can be safely
if a psu have disconnected ground
and the other is on either lune ground or ambiant/local ground then it's fine
but if they both are connected to different grounds then you are going to either kill the psus or components or if using bad psu : both

[twin dew]

Ground and 0V are not always same thing.

With PC PSUs they are.

But with lab PSUs for example they are intentionally not same.

[wanton orchid]

there are things that may work that should not be taken for granted

there are multiple grounds

[twin dew]

But point was that with PC PSUs the case ground and 0V line are always same.
And usually also the AC ground.

[wanton orchid]

so 0v line / case ground is a standard ?

[twin dew]

Yes.
Or at least is on anything you can find.
The MB standoff surroundings are 0V line etc.

GPUs connect their case back plate to the 0V line.

And so on.

[wanton orchid]

note:
0V is a ground, but that ground can be anything
it's just not the ground
but it is always a ground otherwise you can't even talk about V values at all
in every circuit scheme the ground is set
even if it is floating
now you have to relate the grounds with each others which is what I was talking about
because one 'ground' may not be the others circuit ground

[twin dew]

You are messing the "ground" and "0V line for this area".
Which is very common.
Only ground is the safety ground and/or case potential.

[wanton orchid]

for scientific psu the circuit ground is disconnected / floating that's how I translate what you said to what I'm talking about

[twin dew]

Because name "ground" is constantly misused for 0V lines.

[wanton orchid]

not every ground are safety ground or big ground

[twin dew]

Misused name for it then. Like I said previously.

Which is SO common.

But anyways, on the HDD:s I just tested the 0V pins of the SATA connectors are also connected to the HDD case.

Unfortunately anyways really common to use Ground and 0V interchangeably.
When meaning 0V level power planes etc.

[wanton orchid]

not so sure that's misusing looks like you miss the practical point
any 0V 5V is implemented
basically if you push higher V you also push something else down, as it's relative
but it practically physically 'push down' something
some part
even if it's a small one
that is still a physical piece of tin aluminum foil or anything that is then the circuit ground
that serve as catching back line for the other electronic components
it's multiple scales and isolated (or not) circuits

[twin dew]

Even "Signal Ground" etc. actually means the arbitrary 0V reference level decided.
And has nothing to do with ground.

[wanton orchid]

it does not have nothing to do with it

[twin dew]

Yes, I know that the voltage levels compared to real ground are arbitrary, and 0V might not be 0V compared to real ground.

And that was the whole point I have been making.
That calling any "0V" potential as ground is wrong if it isn't real ground.

But very common.

[wanton orchid]

saying the 'true' ground is your home ground for instance : is a trap
so many AC line builders got fooled with that kind of thinking
your home ground is actually floating some way too

[twin dew]

Yes?

But with PCs, the cases of everything in the system are intentionally connected to the 0V reference level all over the place, in every component.

[wanton orchid]

it is not your neighbors home ground
and if you setup a basic circuitry between the two you'll have to set a ground and how your 0v relate to it

[twin dew]

Yes? Ground current loops.

[wanton orchid]

and the "0v relate to it" is the catch here

if you say 0V is -5V from ground that's still grounded to something with a willingly fucked up relative scale (shifted -5)

In a circuit "ground" is always a dynamic and set thing

[twin dew]

That is the relative voltage between whatever you referenced as "ground" and the 0V level you have decided?

[wanton orchid]

In ANY circuit

[twin dew]

Ground and 0V aren't related, except in specific circumstances when they are intentionally tied together.

And PC:s tie all component cases and whole case together with the 0V line level, all over the place, intentionally.

[wanton orchid]

it MUST be
they are not related only when you are talking about an other ground

[twin dew]

0V level is arbitrary, ground level isn't.

[wanton orchid]

you keep repeating things that are willingly ignoring a part of circuit design

and circuit names are for complete circuit designs

[twin dew]

No, you just keep mixing "ground" planes, which are named wrong and are really 0V planes.
And ground.

Yes, that is endemic in that specific industry, and causes issues all the time.

When someone ties real ground to 0V "ground" plane.

[wanton orchid]

it you can't evaluate the ground to the V lanes then your ground use is completely undefined behavior

[twin dew]

Again, you are mixing the 0V plane, and ground in that statement.

You evaluate the various voltage planes against the selected 0V plane, not ground.

[wanton orchid]

how in that statement am I mixing the two

[twin dew]

And then you just take care that there isn't so high voltage difference between the 0V plane and the actual ground that you get problems, usually by tying them together in ONE spot, possibly with some current limiting.

Because grounds voltage compared to 0V reference doesn't matter, as long as you don't get arcing etc.

Or get connection between them from handling that causes something to break from the discharge.

Yes, electronics and PCB design use term "Ground" all the time when meaning various 0V references/planes.
But they aren't grounds, but reference/powerplanes.

[wanton orchid]

then that ground of you are talking about is some electrical mass outside of your circuit 0

but your circuit 0 still need a reference part, even if it's a tiny wire

[twin dew]

And seems I forgot to also specify that I just measured couple of PC PSUs and in all the ground pin in AC input was tied to the PSU case with 0 ohm resistance.

[twin dew]

No?
Any electronic device only cares about the input voltage difference.
Doesn't care about ground.

And even the 0V is arbitrary, you could put 5V part between +15V and +20V lines.
And not have 0V line anywhere.

[wanton orchid]

the whole circuit needs to be calculated at some point

[twin dew]

And then tie that +20V to ground.
So the part would have its 0V input tied to -5V compared to the ground, and +5V tied to ground.

[twin dew]

And doesn't care about any real ground, just the input voltage potential difference.

And the naming for those is completely arbitrary.

[wanton orchid]

and that difference need a root in your circuit

that is what is called ground in your circuit scheme

[twin dew]

Just USUALLY has 0V as reference.

[twin dew]

And that is what I have said is wrong.
It isn't ground, it is the reference plane, usually named as 0V.

And that thinking has caused so many failed designs.
When the designer has forgotten the difference between the ground and the 0V "ground"

[wanton orchid]

you mean the difference between one ground and an other ?

[twin dew]

The difference between ground and any reference planes that have incorrectly been named as "ground" in electronics design.

[wanton orchid]

I never said the 0v line is ground
I said some point of circuit is called ground to the V relative measurement/calculation

[twin dew]

Because 0V reference plane isn't ground, no matter how long that name has been used for it in electronics design.
And the reason for why the circuit design softwares etc. have multiple "ground" symbols.
To differentiate between the real ground, and the reference plane etc.

[wanton orchid]

the confusion comes from people because "if" a input line is both line and ground "then the line is ground" which is wrong

because it's ground only at the input pin location

[twin dew]

But for circuit design, you can select ANY point as the reference, and designate that as any voltage level.
And then you compare to that.
Because the voltage designations are completely arbitrary.

That has nothing to do with ground.

[wanton orchid]

imo it would be better to just teach that any ground always fluctuate and is floating
instead of trying to tell people the ground is a different "external power"
because it needs to be taken into account inside your circuit

[twin dew]

No, the point is to stop using name "ground" for anything but the real ground of the location you are in.
Or whatever grounding the PSU gets etc.
And use the right names for the references.

[edgy hazel]

Before you two continue this for the next 2 hours:
It's absolutely okay to use multiple PSUs in the same system.

[twin dew]

For PC PSUs.

[edgy hazel]

Yes

[wanton orchid]

do not take for granted electrical references

[twin dew]

"Signal ground" is just the reference plane, not ground, etc.

Just jargon that was formed over time and isn't accurate.

[wanton orchid]

we agree with that with Baldur, but we argue explanations and semantics from it

[edgy hazel]

Also if you don't plug in your second one at your neighbor, isn't it connected to the same ground anyways?

[twin dew]

And is causing issues when the designer doesn't know the difference.

[twin dew]

You can have huge voltage differences between AC socket ground pins between somewhat nearby places.

Reason why all the sockets in the same apartment/house are bought to single place before being connected to ground-ground.

Avoiding ground loops is huge issue in some things.

[edgy hazel]

I'm talking two PSUs connected to this

[twin dew]

Yes, and my point has whole time been that naming those references as "ground"s is completely wrong, and causes issues.

[wanton orchid]

as I tried to explain I never said the 0v line is ground
because that is wrong and that is the electrical engineering problem
but I said there are multiple grounds and different ones and that should be the main things focused on understanding when we talk about grounds
and that 0v reference is technically the "ground of V values considered here"

[edgy hazel]

Multiple grounds?

[twin dew]

And in design, with for example -100V, 0V and +100V outputs, if the PSU is suitable, you can connect the safety ground to any of the three lines.

The circuitry doesn't care.

[wanton orchid]

I hate that people talk about the ground as an external power
because there always are multiple different grounds
and all this should be taken into account to not get issues

[twin dew]

Unless you connect it to something else that has different decision.

[twin dew]

You still mix The Local Ground, and any reference planes.
You DON'T get issues when you don't think of the reference planes as grounds.

[edgy hazel]

Ah some googling helps "it’s possible to have multiple grounds in a circuit, but they must be connected together at some point to avoid creating a ground loop"

[twin dew]

But because in electronics design the common usage of the word is WRONG, you get issues.

You have 0 or 1 ground, and rest are not grounds, even when they are talked as such in the common parlence in that disciple.

Protectively separated appliances go into that 0 grounds camp.

[wanton orchid]

the A/C neutral is usually connected to a ground for instance
but not the same one as the home ground
which may not be connected to the pc case

[twin dew]

And again the wrong wording so common in electronics design.

When it is really talking about power/reference planes at specific voltage.

[wanton orchid]

or you are arguing I'm not talking about the home ground as a ground

maybe I should cut the conversation by introducing electrical masses
because that naming scheme does not include the word "ground" at all

[twin dew]

But I'm late, need to go for now.

[wanton orchid]

have a good whatever

[twin dew]

Ok, I was one hour off...
Had forgotten to shower and eat and thought I was absolutely fucked.
But looked at the clock one hour wrong.

But Twrrd 1 worked for 8 passes in Memtest86, but the computer reboots immediately when I start Y-cruncher.

[obsidian smelt]

I just stop copying at the end of the video id in the link. No idea what it is. Try "copying clean link" in w/e browser you're using?

ikik

[dire igloo]

copy entirety, paste somewhere, Ctrl+Backspace to remove SI part, send

[obsidian smelt]

@inner shale I found I had to downgrade my settings from ultra to high while streaming. I have OBS doing nvidia encoding so I can upload later. Turned the game into a power point presentation. "Slideshow Simulator, Go!" #satisfactory message

I dunno, it does seem odd that there's a problem.

[dire igloo]

some games in fullscreen mess with my side monitors, really annoying, when fix?

[obsidian smelt]

I always use windowed fullscreen when available. I notice almost no fr hit and it makes switching between windows on same monitor and side monitor(s) a breeze.

Of course the NVIDIA optimal pref's disagree, it's the only tip I don't follow from it.

same. I use it as a baseline and adjust every game how I see fit for it.

Again, my only vram issues were when I was trying to run ultra while doing hardware encoding while live streaming. Maxed out VRAM and pegged my GPU.

The moment I went down to high it cleared right up.

right

[twin dew]

I know nothing about anything!

[maiden coyote]

It is code. Lets say you have an appliance with a metal case (code says these be must bonded to earth-ground), and for whatever reason, a fault occurs on the neutral. somewhere, or the appliance fucks up on it's own. the current for that appliance will flow through the case and back to the source. This means the case is now live. if that other ground was to fail, now the appliance doesn't work and the case is floating at whatever voltage. It's unsafe, and a fire hazard.

neutral is only allowed to be connected to ground inside the service panel, and not a subpanel. The subpanel must still have a ground wire connected to it's ground bar from the service panel but the neutral cannot be connected to it's ground bar. In some situations a subpanel must have a ground rod in addition to a ground wire back to the service panel.

the 0V.. I guess they're talking about neutral, or the grounded conductor. If there's a really bad phase imbalance or a fault there will be voltage on it. ground loops are when you have say a audio pre amplifier and power amp with a shielded cable, if the shield is connected both the preamp and amp it will create a ground loop.

PC's use a 3 prong cable. hot, neutral, ground. hot and neutral are fed straight into the PSU's switching circuits without touching anything. (you could even switch them, or feed straight DC power into the PSU, it won't care) the ground is connected to the chassis. on the output side of the PSU, like 12V, 5V, etc, the negatives are all connected together, and are called ground.. ground reference.. whatever. They're normally connected to the motherboard standoffs, which connects the motherboard ground to the PSU's ground.

[maiden coyote]

In the US, your ground or neutral is algebraically zero volts and it's created by the center tap in the transformer being at 180 degrees inside the secondary winding. The only way it's not zero if measured by a meter is due to a load imbalance between the hots. for example you have two resistive heaters each with a 1200W rating. your return current on the neutral to the transformer will be zero. if one of them is more or less, the return current on the neutral will be the difference. Anyway, when I think of grounds.. I either go to household stuff, or see these in a schematic which mean something. What, I can't know. because they're used interchangeably..

I can't know because according to wiki, they're supposed to be this.. In the schematics drawn by engineers.. I think they pick whichever one they like the most to mean whatever.

[wanton orchid]

and it exactly reflects what I kept saying that having a single "ground" does not make sense in real life as there are multiple kind of grounds of some sort one being selected to be linked with the part the V is based off

[wanton orchid]

❤️

and I wish more people were respecting these exact schematics

this one usually being used interchangeably

this one usually being the draining ground

[jagged snow]

Really it's just unnecessarily confusing terminology

[maiden coyote]

if you're talking about household wiring. ground is ground.. in circuits things are different. my first radio threw me for a loop because the chassis ground, is capacitively coupled to the ground plane of everything else on the pcb.. so when I was looking for continuity with my meter clipped to the chassis, it was always open.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that's my point... there really should be multiple terms

[wanton orchid]

there are usually multiple terms, as in "safety earth *" "base *" "signal *" etc..

[maiden coyote]

but if you've got stuff with RF, or transformers then ground or whatever kind of goes out the window.. it's at ground because they bonded it to some common point

[jagged snow]

Yeah...
I feel that it could still be clearer

Oh well 🤷‍♂️

[maiden coyote]

There's positive ground too. old automobiles had the + connected to the chassis.

[wanton orchid]

can you please show us what is the GROUND of such an argument

ground is just a contextual word

[jagged snow]

That went away after the 6v era thankfully

[maiden coyote]

I just think of ground it as a common reference or potential i guess xd

unless it's household stuff.. then there's grounded conductor (neutral) and earth ground ( green wire )

[wanton orchid]

it's what other thing relate to to work

[jagged snow]

Which both effectively go to the same place, one is just fallback safety

[wanton orchid]

wrong

they are not equal by any means but in the street last transformer

[maiden coyote]

They are connected together in your service panel. They're also connected together by the ground rod on the transformer.

[jagged snow]

effectively

[wanton orchid]

it depends country wiring schemes
but connecting it to house ground in every house is making the whole town subject to ground fluctuations

and the natural house ground may loop with another house ground

[maiden coyote]

Each house is electrically isolated by the transformer.

so unless you were to run a wire from your house to your neighbors they are two separate systems/currents

[wanton orchid]

you are sayin each house has its own wire from the transformer

[obsidian smelt]

It should

[wanton orchid]

which is rarely true around the world

[obsidian smelt]

In the U.S. that's common practice.

[maiden coyote]

Unless you live in a complex.

[obsidian smelt]

fact, but a complex isn't a house per say.

[maiden coyote]

but if you live in a complex, then that complex has one service panel that is connected to 1 transformer.... or 3 transformers if it's 3 phase.

[wanton orchid]

why would 3 phases be 3 transformers

[maiden coyote]

because there's 3 phases. 3 primaries, 3 secondarys.

[wanton orchid]

if they are called phases it's because they are phased, and if they are phased it's because they traditionnally comes from a single process

[maiden coyote]

when you connect 1 phase to another current flows.

[obsidian smelt]

one single 3-phase transformer (wye or delta) does it.

[mystic lodge]

where do i go to report a bug?

[low scaffold]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @jagged snow

[maiden coyote]

internally it's 3 separate windings.

[jagged snow]

Wrong channel too

[obsidian smelt]

Electrically it's one device.

[mystic lodge]

[jagged snow]

It's three isolated circuits

[wanton orchid]

if it's 3 different transformers then it would not flow from one phase to another

[wanton orchid]

it's 3 isolated PHASES not circuits

[maiden coyote]

they're not isolated.. they are indeed connected.

[wanton orchid]

these transformers are for SINGLE phase houses

[jagged snow]

Not at the transformer

[maiden coyote]

at the center of the wye, or at the points on the delta, yes.

[obsidian smelt]

<@&387163995947270144> The link I posted was to an electronics tutorial, please allow?

[maiden coyote]

wye, delta

[wanton orchid]

it needs domain whitelisting, I'm not sure it's worth allowing the domain

[maiden coyote]

just remove the https from the link.

[obsidian smelt]

Might be right.

[jagged snow]

Just drop the https:// from the start of the link

[obsidian smelt]

www.electronics-tutorials.ws/transformer/three-phase-transformer.html

[maiden coyote]

I've wired a few transformers xD

and a few houses too..

[obsidian smelt]

Single transformer, multiple taps.

primary winding, secondary winding.

[maiden coyote]

but if you bust them open, they're 3 different transformer cores.

[wanton orchid]

here is ONE circuit

[maiden coyote]

I see 1 transformer. you can use all 3 phases if you'd like. or you can use L1-L2 L1-L3 L2-L3

[obsidian smelt]

One way to do it is to indeed wire up three single-phase transformers, but that's not the only way

[small turret]

Should be good 👍

[obsidian smelt]

Thank you sir.

[maiden coyote]

the iron cores of the transformers have to be seperated.. or bad things will happen.. like explosions xd

[dire igloo]

L1, L2 and L3 made me think of CPU cache and then it was really weird

[cobalt ivy]

interesting convo to walk into 🙂

Isnt the L short for level?

or is it linear i forget

[obsidian smelt]

Line

[wanton orchid]

before being called explosion it's called shortcircuit, by dropping magnetic load

[maiden coyote]

I'm pretty sure if you wrapped 3 coils around a single core, and connected it to 3 phase power, which has 3 phases 120 degrees apart.. the net reactance of the 3 lines would be zero

[obsidian smelt]

A three phase transformer or 3φ transformer can be constructed either by connecting together three single-phase transformers, thereby forming a so-called three phase transformer bank, or by using one pre-assembled and balanced three phase transformer which consists of three pairs of single phase windings mounted onto one single laminated core.

[wanton orchid]

it's still and always 3 phases out of a single circuit, the coils are part of the circuit

[maiden coyote]

I go by how it's connected.. if it's 3 phases going to a 3 phase motor, it's 1 circuit.. if it's 3 phases going to 3 single phase motors.. then it's 3 circuits xD

[wanton orchid]

if your 3 motors are connected some way with each others it's still a single circuit

[maiden coyote]

but circuits is normally something you'd find after the service panel. before the service panel at the transformer.. yeah I'd call it 1 circuit

[wanton orchid]

and they need to to power a 3 phase building

[cobalt ivy]

also just looked up L1, L2 in fact it is named for level which in cpu its similar called due to speed and frequency. learn something new everyday

[maiden coyote]

L1 L2 L3 means Line

[wanton orchid]

it's one circuit
otherwise you couldnt have current between your phases

[cobalt ivy]

i guess iEEE is wrong

[wanton orchid]

what

cache levels have almost nothing to do with electrical powerlines

[cobalt ivy]

well for electrical engineering it is short for level but in electrical wiring its line. confusing

its an acronynm look it up

[maiden coyote]

we also use H, and X lol

[wanton orchid]

so the L in Laughing is for level too if you say the Laughing speaker in a electrical circuit ?

[maiden coyote]

so you might see X1 X2 X3.. or H1 H2 H3 on a transformer.. it all means the same thing

[wanton orchid]

I like calling it X1 X2 X3 in context of transformations

because it visually hints they are electrically related

looks a bit like this

[maiden coyote]

there's the 3 coils in one transformer chassis

You can call 3 phase 1 circuit. in practice it's normally broken up into 3 circuits with for powering stuff because they only thing that can really use all 3 phases is a motor

for lights, computers, electronics.. those are all single phase appliances and because of the way 3 phase works, you can't easily combine the phases into 1 dc output.

[wanton orchid]

you cant separate them

the current flows through the 3 phases at the same time

[maiden coyote]

Not at the same phase or direction no, not at the same time. they're all 120 degrees apart.

[wanton orchid]

the phase are 120 degree aprt

the current is not

wait

wrong wording

basically speaking you can not have completly unbalanced powering

[maiden coyote]

current is too xD

hell current can lead voltage or voltage can lead current

I don't know how you can have current flow with no voltage.. but it do anyway

[wanton orchid]

I always find it funny when you have 0V but positive current and a power off of it

electrical inertia

[maiden coyote]

I get reading zero voltage but there's a current flow with a meter. the meter reports zero because there is current flowing.

there is actually voltage produced by current * resistance

but that's different from this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_and_lagging_current

[cyan crescent]

For some reason, half life alyx keeps saying not enough vram when i open it up even tho i have 24GB of vram. I can still run it just fine tho. Kinda weird

[dusk rivet]

my game not recognizing that i have 24gb of vram would be an amazing problem to have

[jagged snow]

4090 issues

[dusk rivet]

or 7900xtx

either way i’d gladly trade gpu’s with them

[languid gulch]

almost sounds like during the 32 bit to 64 bit transition some programs wouldn't recognize that you had more than 4gb of ram

[jagged snow]

Yeah... I had somebody send me a system that they said had bad memory because only part of it was showing up - they had 32bit windows installed

[languid gulch]

OUCH

was anything past win7 even available as 32 bit?

[jagged snow]

That was earlier this year BTW

[jagged snow]

Yeah... there's still a 32bit version of win10

[languid gulch]

why

🤣

i know a business right now that's finally making the jump to windows 10

from 95

& they have 100k SKUs to go thru

idk if there would be enough money for me to do that

[jagged snow]

I just helped a church migrate from vista to 10, 95 is waaay worse

[languid gulch]

that almost sounds like a build it from scratch kind of thing

[gilded helm]

That would be an amusing experiment, to see whether you could use the multiple upgrade tools necessary to go from 95 to 11.

[jagged snow]

It's a budget conscious thing too...

Red will appreciate the fact that we finally made the jump to a digital mixer 5 or 6 years ago lol

[gilded helm]

The mixer I'm working with right now need to be junked. And it's extra bothersome because it's not meant for people to be plugging in with their own cables, all the inputs are on the bottom as though everything should be in place somewhat permanently. But the club is too cheap to have its own cables.

[jagged snow]

Ah, that kind of venue is rough

At that point you're almost better bringing an entire setup yourself

[gilded helm]

I already am bringing my own mic with a cable

All I would need to do to completely bypass the club mixer is find the tiniest possible controller with XLR main outs, then I could jank the cables from their mixer and just use mine. But that would make transitions weird. I do have a Roland 707m that could do just that, but it's too cramped here to fit.

[twin dew]

For AC power, yes, the Neutral line is the "0V reference".
But we were mostly talking about DC electronics.
And my point was how the "Ground reference" you talk in the next message is wrong and is just the 0V plane.
In case of the PCs, it is connected in the PSU to the actual ground, but from that point onwards it isn't "ground" anymore.

[twin dew]

And my whole point was that that Signal Ground isn't ground, it is 0V reference plane.
Chassis ground is sometimes questionable.
Earth ground is always real ground.

It is the common usage in the specific disciple, but it is wrong.

And that it is in common usage in one specific area doesn't make it less wrong.
And it causes issues when people don't differentiate between the three shown.
And not using the term "ground" for most importantly for the "signal ground" would help lot in that.

Which is just arbitrary voltage level to which the signals are compared to.

Usually designated as the "0V" level to keep the numbers nice.

Like in that "Car with +12V connected to the chassis" example.

In car there is no real ground, unless you have one of those discharging strips hanging somewhere.
Chassis can be floating (not really used), connected to the negative of the battery (most common), or the positive of the battery (rarely used before, almost never used now?)
So the Chassis can be "0V" or "+12V" with 12V battery.

If the negative is connected to the chassis, then usually it is designated that the negative is 0V.
And then the signal and power "ground" is 0V, and the car chassis would also be 0V.

If you have the positive connected to the chassis, then that negative is still 0V, and then chassis is +12V for example.
And then the signal and power "ground" is 0V, and car chassis would be +12V.

But could be also designated that the chassis is 0V, and the battery negative is -12V.
And if that was done, then the signal and power "ground" would be -12V, and the car chassis would be 0V.

.
Need to differentiate between the common parlance or jargon.
And the reality.

When the common parlance causes issues, because it has simplifications, that if you don't realize are simplifications, will lead to errors in design and usage.

Also for example with electric car with 12V battery and 400V motive battery.
You don't have to connect the two batteries negatives together.
You can connect one negative to one positive, or both positives together.
Or not connect them together at all.

In reality connecting the negatives together makes designing the power electronics easier with current parts.
Because the types of FETs etc. needed for the other types are not as fast to switch and aren't available to the necessary power levels.

Voltage is about potential difference.
Even the real ground ground has some electrical potential.
The designation of voltage levels in designs is arbitrary, just that it is customary to designate at least one of them as 0V.
For non-differential voltages, the lowest one most commonly.
With differential voltages, the midpoint.

[twin dew]

And that has been my point the whole day.
That others aren't grounds, they are voltage planes.
And the word "ground" shouldn't be in their names, but is for historical reasons (the original people naming things were not that highly trained in specific type of thinking).

Simplification in terminology that is still causing havoc all the time.

And the training of new people should be changed so that they are first taught the real deal, and THEN told that old usage was this and how it relates to the new training.

And maybe then we could get switchover away from "signal ground" etc. terms over next 50 years.

Currently the training in school is done the opposite way.
With simplified ground being thrown around first, then separated later into multiple categories that must not be mixed, but still keeping the name of "ground", when most of them have nothing to do with ground, and are just voltage reference planes.

When it should first talk only about single 0V, then multiple separate 0Vs, then add the ground.

And then add that "in old parlance" the term used for this specific reference plane was "signal ground" etc.

After the actual basics had been taught, including the ground.

[languid gulch]

so what would be a decent cpu to pair with a 6600XT these days

12400?

[narrow folio]

I hope to translate that correctly...
I call earth ground 'earth' and the 0v potential just 'mass' to differentiate between a thing connected to a real earth ground and anything that may be floating at whatever potential but is referenced to

[dire igloo]

1. A770 is usually better value
2. 12400F, 5600, for 1080p if the budget is there 7600/7500F

[languid gulch]

already have the 6600XT

[dire igloo]

12600K/KF often drops to 150 USD, very much worth a consideration

[languid gulch]

oh wow didn't know the 12600K drops like that

hell i might do a board swapout if it gets that cheap

[dire igloo]

Check out price history on PCPP

[languid gulch]

is 13th gen worth looking into at all

now i'm wondering if i should do a mobo swapout for my 6800XT & reunite the 5600X & 6600XT

[wanton orchid]

you advocate for objective meaning, then take this :
"voltage reference plane" does not translate into reality
that piece of thing still has a capacity
and as you said even "ground" (yes even the house safety one) have potential and capacity
you are pushing for a meaning of 'ground' that does not even apply to what you call ground either
and that is exactly what one can call misleading and putting wrong mechanisms in the heads of students
and that is causing the arm you are talking about from the very beginning
since the start of the electricity history
trying to go away from making people notice multiple similar things are still multiple different things by hiding their similarities behind different categorized words : is knowledge and science regression

[twin dew]

Yes? There are differences in the voltage between points in the plane, in good design they are low enough to not matter.
Yes calling it reference plane is simplification, but less than calling it a "signal ground" or any other "ground".
And yes, ground has electrical potential.
Like I said in another message this morning.
And voltage is just potential difference, not absolute.

But what potential the "ground" is compared to the 0V reference level doesn't matter, unless it causes discharges or you fucked up the design by mixing the 0V reference and ground in concept.

[edgy hazel]

Our house ground sometimes has up to 70V

[twin dew]

Compared to what?

That is the point with voltage, it is always relative.

The actual dirt earth electrical potential is the only you cannot easily change, and changes over time even then.

[edgy hazel]

It sometimes tickles

[twin dew]

And has large differences at same time between locations.

[dire igloo]

12700K is like a 13600K, so kinda but not really.
12600K has a slight edge over 13500.
If you look into 13th gen, also check out 14 series. Same performance as 13th gen, but slightly more power efficient

[edgy hazel]

I don't use ESD straps because of it

Also because ESD straps are for weaklings

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-angry-thor-lightning-gif-16275291

[dire igloo]

Fuck ESD straps, we get shocked like real men

[edgy hazel]

Me building a PC

[gilded helm]

I'm most curious to see how 14th gen pans out in laptops. Whether that DLVR and actually get Intel to progress in battery life, versus the regression they've had.

I think 10th gen might have been the sweet spot for Intel laptops

[edgy hazel]

No, Intels sweet spot was them putting their shit into macbooks which then went up to 110°C when you open Firefox

My beloved 2018 Macbook with an i7

[languid gulch]

have they announced if 14th gen is officially the end of LGA1700?

[edgy hazel]

I think it's known but also: that was quick

[gilded helm]

That's actually too hot for eggs

Otherwise, spray the bottom of an aluminum Macbook, and if you can sustain it at medium heat, it's perfect for making eggs if it's clean.

[dire igloo]

Should've said "electrocute ourselves" but oh well

[edgy hazel]

Nah that's fine if you wanna fry them. You actually want your pan at 160-180°C

[gilded helm]

Though I guess technically the dials on a stove are how much heat is being input? Rather than a temperature target?

[wanton orchid]

it does change and have capacity for anything more powerful than your car
and then you can't assume nothing more powerful than your car is close connected to it
tldr: it has potential and properties like everything else
tldr: it should not be considered differently than everything else in your circuit
tldr: your signal "ground" that you don't like, if connected to other external circuits that are connected to cases and ground pins
is no different that your sacred real 'ground'
and your sacred abstract reference plan is no different that any ground

[edgy hazel]

They're magic numbers like toasters

It's depending from model to model

Oh yeah had that same scenario aswell

I'm too cocky around electricity

[narrow folio]

Depending on circumstances 230V is only a small tingling sensation or... it kills you. So be aware and make sure you turn off the power

[languid gulch]

was actually looking at the 13500K as a cheapo 13600K, so good to know about that

[narrow folio]

Measure the voltage before touching it

[edgy hazel]

It was a YEEAAOOUUCHHH situation

[wanton orchid]

it can be summarized as : make sure to never be the main link

[edgy hazel]

The Screwdriver™️

[narrow folio]

Those screwdrivers with a lamp to check voltage are shady at best, dangerous in the worst case even

[edgy hazel]

LIES

We love them

[languid gulch]

so in the 12600 to 14600ish range, what would be the least stupid option to pair with my 6800XT

[wanton orchid]

depends what voltage you are working with I guess

[narrow folio]

As an electrician for over 25 years, do yourself a favour and get a decent multimeter 👍

[edgy hazel]

They're the "Did I really shut off the fuse" essential

[wanton orchid]

Multimeter is always best
but it's not always the easiest way to check what is a hot

[edgy hazel]

I have one. But screwdriver is faster

[languid gulch]

also have a few meters of leftover sheathed wiring, just in case

[edgy hazel]

I have some audio cables

Should be enough

[narrow folio]

Faster is a bad guidance regarding safety

[edgy hazel]

But it's faster

[edgy hazel]

And it's not like the screwdriver is gonna shock me. I've used it enough times to know by now.

[wanton orchid]

I don't get how you would consider such screw drivers any more hasard than a multi .meter
even if the Multimeter is more reliable in the measurement

[languid gulch]

it'll measure how bad it's gonna hurt 🤣

[edgy hazel]

As long as the plastic of the screwdriver is intact it's fine

[narrow folio]

And as long as the internal circuit of the screwdriver is intact

[edgy hazel]

It's just a lamp and a resistor

[wanton orchid]

if it has a resistor it's bad

[edgy hazel]

Mine works fine lmao

[wanton orchid]

it should only have a lamp that can work as a fuse

otherwise the resistor can be a hasard

you only need few mA to power a lamp

[narrow folio]

Not much to fail, true. I may have only seen one in my career that had a slightly burnt resistor in it and it was still working , but that is one too much for my taste. And I read reports about people getting shocked because of those things. No thanks

[edgy hazel]

Yeah don't throw it around lol.

[edgy hazel]

You also don't wanna roll it around in iron filings

[narrow folio]

Something like that is fine if you check the functionality first on a live circuit

[wanton orchid]

imo some kind of metal wavered cloth should be weared

not full metal but a bit of it

[edgy hazel]

Yes why don't I just call in a bomb squad aswell when I change out a light switch

[wanton orchid]

too few to catch thunderbolts but enough to catch the one circuit that's going to try to go to your heart

[narrow folio]

Usually not needed in homes after the usual circuit breakers. But I'd use a face shield and gloves when working on circuits at the higher side of short circuit energy

[edgy hazel]

Me on my way to change a light bulb after listening to the advice of #off-topic-tech

[wanton orchid]

when you know it's only worth protecting at 100m it's sad

[narrow folio]

I'm used to working with up to 6kV and 1MW equipment, yeah... That bomb squad suit may be a bit much, but I wear safety stuff looking a bit like that when handling fuses for those circuits

[dire igloo]

Depends on current prices.
13600K/14600K, 7800X3D, maybe 12700K if priced well.
Microcenter has a deal on 12900K/7700X + MB + RAM for 399

[wanton orchid]

everyone know someone that knows someone that has experienced a worker that vaporized on high tension lines

[edgy hazel]

We're still talking about home electricity right?

[narrow folio]

No😁

[languid gulch]

yea, sadly it's a flight or a 6 hour drive to get to the nearest microcenter for me

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-power-lines-popeye-punch-classic-gif-5713226

[wanton orchid]

I calculated it gets ~0.25s to vaporize someone

and it shutdown the closest power plant for that time

[narrow folio]

230V is still no joke, just that many have lost respect or are not aware of the dangers anymore

[wanton orchid]

people even lost respect to 48v you know

people blow acid fire at themselves every day with cars

they forget that 48V at 0.0001 ohm is still 480000A

[narrow folio]

48V from a nice pack of batteries can start a fire in seconds

[wanton orchid]

seconds is gentle

[edgy hazel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ywaTX-nLm6Y&pp=ygUjMTAwIGNhciBiYXR0ZXJpZXMgd2lyZWQgaW4gcGFyYWxsZWw%3D

[narrow folio]

true, the arc is there in an instant. it's just the thermal mass that needs some time to ignite the stuff around it

[wanton orchid]

actual crazy people

[narrow folio]

Yeah, seen that video. He is a nice crazy guy 😁

gtg, bye

[wanton orchid]

5 truck batteries is at least 120V
they fucking crazy

[wanton orchid]

it's not 100 parallel
it's 5 serial x20 parallel

[edgy hazel]

Breakers are switches with fuses in em

Although you "switch off" a switch and a breaker. You don't "break off" a breaker

Which is most confusing and I demand the English Language People to change it immediately

[narrow folio]

time to melt/trip depends on the characteristics of the fuse/breaker and the current

[edgy hazel]

Bert

[narrow folio]

typical characteristics in a house are B and C

for breakers

[edgy hazel]

BEMESSUNGSSTROM

[narrow folio]

yeah, haven't found a good one with english text

[edgy hazel]

AUSLÖSEZEIT

[narrow folio]

I'm wasting too much time on 9gag for a certain picture to NOT come to mind... But we are nice here 😁

[edgy hazel]

Oh my god 9gag

[mental oriole]

🤔 you cant escape it.

[narrow folio]

It's kinda fascinating... at least I strictly stick to reading. That is enough involvement in this cesspool of weird content

[mental oriole]

You know I avoid shorts like it's the pest.

[narrow folio]

Kids from a colleague wasted hours with tiktok and yt shorts every day until he blocked the DNS for certain hours of the day. Who would have known that this would cause a sudden spark in interest in IT and security (and how to circumvent the restrictions)

never been on tiktok, but it escaped into shorts and even 9gag

[edgy hazel]

Well... I had internet restrictions as a kid.

I'm in IT now

I still very vividly remember setting up a forgotten laptop in our attic and bridging it's connection

[dire igloo]

I knew people with parental control features - and all of them found ways to circumvent it.

Best way to handle it is not to simply limit access, but to teach proper media competence

Parental control is for those parents that fear their kid might do anything they don't want it to do - but on the other side lack the willingness to invest the time and effort to teach their child

[edgy hazel]

I still firmly believe some restrictions are needed.

[narrow folio]

This. Media competence is sadly lacking in many cases i know

some restrictions to set up some boundaries and talk to the kids about what they can and with time definitely will come to see in the big unfiltered web.

and even if you block everything on their devices, what about the mobile from the kids they go to school and play with? 'hey look at this!' was the only warning when I was first introduced to rotten.com. go figure my enlightenment

[edgy hazel]

That's outside my control and also some traumatizing stuff builds character

[narrow folio]

True...

[edgy hazel]

I'm talking more about rotting your brain with tiktok or yt shorts for hours

[twin dew]

I said YOU cannot easily change, and that it changes by itself.
Which you seem to have misread.

[edgy hazel]

Also block all access to any riot game

[narrow folio]

3 hours of kittens may not be the best way to spend the day, but I'd give some more hours of my life to shorts if I could erase some pics from rotten.com🤣

[twin dew]

What sacred reference plane?
That has been the whole point, there isn't one.
And mixing those that you TRY to create and the ground-ground leads to problems all the time.
Which you yourself pointed out last night (for me), with the comment about how people should remember the differences between the three different "ground" symbols.

[edgy hazel]

My kid will not be playing league

[narrow folio]

Depending on the age, sure

[edgy hazel]

Who wants to play starcraft

Wtf

[narrow folio]

I'd gladly play some rounds with my kid

zerg rush is risky but 😊

[edgy hazel]

Wait until you experience the herg rush

[narrow folio]

Custom AFAIK

[dire igloo]

A lot of addicts can teach abstinence really well

[dire igloo]

Have we had any studies on that by now that went beyond "there's a correlation" and actually looked at causation?

Teacher or student?

What's the step from "casual drinker" to alcoholic?

That's quite a big step over a long time

[upper plinth]

Let's start a new topic
What VR would you guys recommend for PCVR from Quality standpoint?

[dire igloo]

Start a podcast or a video diary

[dire igloo]

Pimax 8K or whatever it's called?
The one that was big hype, sponsored a showcase vid on LTT and then disappeared

I read "holocaust" and was really irritated

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerion_Group_N.V.

Based on what I could find, bought the Radionomy & Targetspot SA last year.

[edgy hazel]

Gold standard is still valve index iirc

[twin dew]

On whole system level, not sure about image quality.

[edgy hazel]

Yeah was about to say. It's the best package for the price

Yes

I have used my original vive almost daily lmao

The Index I only tried at a friend's house

But it was such a big leap compared to my vive

I played too much beatsaber

[twin dew]

VR could work, but limitations on game types for most players.
And the game output isn't there at this time.

Chicken-Egg problem.

[edgy hazel]

Apparently there are a lot of smaller games that are really good. But my Vive makes it not as enjoyable really

[twin dew]

Most games made for it have been gimmicks, or just bad conversions.
Doesn't make it that the VR itself is gimmick.

But there isn't market currently to make games for it.
And because there aren't games for it, people don't spend the money for the devices.
So there is no market for games.

[edgy hazel]

Maybe the apple ar thingy sparks a revolution

[twin dew]

That is what I pointed with the comment about limited types of games.

Because free-move FPS type games will not work for large part as example.

And many types will not gain anything from VR.

And then there is the problem of controls you have to be able to use without seeing.
Which causes some limitations for example with flight sim type games which would otherwise gain a lot from VR.

Because the entry price gets even higher.

So VR isn't gimmick, but it isn't viable at this time IMHO, unfortunately.

The entry price is just too high.

[edgy hazel]

Vr is still fun tho

Especially if you have it setup all the time (which I don't)

But phasmophobia on VR is goooooood

[twin dew]

Difference between visible area and 3D vision.
But the current VR gear isn't high resolution enough to read the cockpit markings, and the flightsims often don't allow you to even use the visible buttons.
And you cannot both use the necessary hardware for hand tracking and use HOTAS or like.
And then many flightsim people have got other control panels.

So you cannot use hand tracking to not need the extra HW or keyboard.
And the resolution isn't there yet.
And the 3D doesn't give enough back most of the time in the games.

[dire igloo]

There's also Superhot (decent, but not as deep) and all these beat saber clones

[edgy hazel]

And the monkee game

[stray badger]

Half life alyx

Vr chat

[dusk rivet]

there’s also blade and sorcery

highly recommend

i have over 350 hours in blade and sorcery

[dire igloo]

What's this freeclimbing game called?
And is it any good?

[dusk rivet]

yeah blade and sorcery is a pretty good climbing game

better than most actual climbing games

[dire igloo]

They literally just called it The Climb, bruh

[edgy hazel]

It's where you climb

[dusk rivet]

oh that game

kinda sucks, gets boring super fast

[upper plinth]

Was thinking about buying Index for some time, however the biggest thing I'm concerned is the resolution, feels a bit outdated and I'm waiting for Index 2, as its not huge priority lol (Also I don't have a way to test out Index in real life, so I have no idea if that resolution is actually noticable) but thanks for the info :D

[edgy hazel]

Thing is, you actually need a PC to push that resolution

[upper plinth]

Prefer to have headset that I can benefit in the future as well, if or when I upgrade the PC

I'm living on the "Buy once but good stuff" instead of "buy cheap stuff and replace when new stuff comes out"

aka I'm not buying Quests lmao

[pure karma]

idk my quest 2 lets me go up to 1920x1080 per lens on steamvr

[edgy hazel]

That's not that good bro

[pure karma]

its not as bad as people make it out to be its just mid if you dont really need the onboard

[upper plinth]

I have 3 main issues with the Quest 2:
Build quality is not great
Wireless sucks (I've tested it on my current setup and few others)
Wireless and wired options still yoink the perfomance due to Video Encoding stealing power from the GPU 3D Rendering

[pure karma]

dont most headsets cap out at like 1200x800 or something like that

[edgy hazel]

Index is 1440×1600 per eye

[upper plinth]

Rift S has 1440x1280 per eye* and it feels better than Quest 2 in use*. Index had I think 1600x1440?

[pure karma]

well yea quest 2 wireless is like 700 something by 600 something

[upper plinth]

The biggest issue is that it depends! It can be full resoultion quest 2 supports, but bandwith limits and video compression make that suffer a lot in faster scenes

or when you move your head fast lmao

[edgy hazel]

And Facebook having its ever present grippers on it doesn't make it any better

Sorry... Meta

[upper plinth]

I seriously need to catch Index for testing on my setup. Already tested Vive Focus 3 Quest 2 and Rift S (and Rift S appears somehow the best from those, Focus 3 is better than Quest 2 but also wireless so a nope for me)

[tough owl]

oh piss off

wccftech.com/delidded-intel-core-i9-14900k-cpu-runs-13c-cooler-ihs-tim-design-same-as-13th-gen/

[twin dew]

Yeah, 14th "gen" desktop parts are same as 13th gen, with just better silicon quality from more mature process leading to better clocks.

And maybe very minor tweaks to the detected worst clocking spots.

14900K should have been 13950K or like.

[jagged snow]

Absolutely

I'm looking into the userbenchmark site a little more closely... it really is extremely misleading

Like what is this??? 🤣

Unlike monitor refresh rates, which offer little value over 240 Hz, game fps as high as 480 can offer improved user experience, especially in competitive games.

[twin dew]

The amount of intentional mental disconnect needed to write that line...

Well, most of what is currently written on the site.

[jagged snow]

Yep
I read the page that's supposed to explain what efps is but it doesn't actually explain anything and provides garbage like this:

EFps are calibrated to match average Fps for most games (e.g. GTAV). Where frame delivery is very consistent EFps are higher than average Fps (e.g. Overwatch). Where frames are relatively inconsistent EFps are lower than average Fps (e.g. CSGO). EFps incorporate and improve upon average Fps as a measure of real world playability.

[twin dew]

So manually made fudge factor?

Another one to get the results the guy wants?

[jagged snow]

Yeah... and this is the only explanation given for how that efps number is actually calculated, which explains nothing. There's no way to verify that the numbers aren't being manually manipulated for most or all products.

To calculate the 0.1% low all the frames in a sample are sorted from slowest to fastest. For a 60 second sample, the frames in the first 0.1%: 60s * 0.1% = 60s/1000 = 0.06s are used to determine the 0.1% low. The average and maximum Fps of those (slowest) frames are the Avg|Max 0.1% lows. A similar calculation is used for the Avg and Max 1% lows. (download example calc spreadsheet )

Also, the power effeciency rating is based only on rated tdp

[twin dew]

"Nice"

[tough owl]

I didn’t see anyone say 69

[edgy hazel]

Nice

[tough owl]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/colorful-allegedly-develops-single-slot-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-with-blower

[dusk rivet]

thought that said 4090ti in the message preview

got my hopes up

[edgy hazel]

4090ti with a blower

[tough owl]

It’s rich people with hoes

[dusk rivet]

to be fair i didn’t see the blower part

[visual tree]

What is this guy smoking?

I would change the name as he suggested and then return the old name in 5 minutes. Easiest billion dollars ever

He didn't specify if you are allowed to revert to the old name

[upper plinth]

He didn't specify if he will also for real give them a billion dollars

[jagged snow]

Don't take that literally

[visual tree]

Well, you have nothing to lose so might as well try it 😅

[dire igloo]

He never pulled through on the promise to pay UNO/WHO if they showed how they'd use that money to end world hunger

[jagged snow]

Afaik they never presented a fully viable plan

They gave a plan to temporarily alleviate the worst cases of malnurished populations but didn't have any long-term solution

[visual tree]

I will give billion dollars to Musk if he invents star trek food replicator

[stuck zodiac]

I know that you can run a Dedicated Server on Windows and Linux. I am running mine on a Windows Server 2022 vm. What is the most reliable that does not have random crashes that I am getting? I have not tried Linux on this game yet for a DS.

[jagged snow]

Wrong channel

[stuck zodiac]

sorry just noticed the tech-talk then started typing

[night girder]

Rofl, open channel first time in weeks. Someone posting in wrong channel. Ah. Good old tech-talk 😄

Hope everyone is fine and doing good!

[visual tree]

Counting 2 days until teambuilding 😄

Better bring Nintendo switch with me

[narrow folio]

maybe we should rename this channel to #non-satisfactory-tech-talk?🤣

[twin dew]

Or just "#off-topic-tech-talk"?
And hope that because the off-topic is first people would actually read it?

[night girder]

you think that would help?

[narrow folio]

maybe, but not really

[night girder]

I have a question, who is NathanGCherem?

Posted two messages in this Satisfactory discord on 11/01/2021.

[jagged snow]

It's already in the off topic catergory

[night girder]

But on october 16 2023, they DM'd me.

[twin dew]

People don't read it.
They don't even read the -off-topic in the #off-topic-general

[night girder]

Just so people are aware. It's a bit fishy.

Someone who didn't post for two years but is DM'ing people from this channel.

[twin dew]

Just see the "general" and stop reading.

[night girder]

Also funny is that I blocked DM's from non-friends.

But then discord is still like: someone tried to DM you this: "bla bla bla " - Do you want to accept it? 🤦‍♂️

Silly isn't it? What if it was a dickpick?

And I enabled this feature to protect my kids.

[dire igloo]

Their plan included measures to maintain the solution.

You can read it up somewhere, they gave a very detailed list on how they'd spend it.
What structures they'd put into place etc.

[dusk rivet]

what would aio fluid taste like

[languid gulch]

like a hospital visit

[edgy hazel]

Like saline infusion

[dusk rivet]

sounds like i just need dedication

[jagged snow]

ethalyne glycol

[edgy hazel]

Which is ironic if you consider that you're gonna get a saline infusion later on in the hospital

[upper plinth]

iirc you can still block dms from non-friends completely

[night girder]

How, you've seen the screenshots?

[upper plinth]

I remember per-server settting disabled and that appeared to work, the "dm accept" "feature" is additional option per-server basis

For freshly-joined servers, the account setting should apply on default for the top one, bottom one is disabled if the first one is off so

[visual tree]

Time to switch back to Firefox. Chrome is getting worse....

Takes 5 seconds to load a youtube video while on firefox the video loads instantly

[gilded helm]

Probably that newly implemented and hilariously named "privacy sandbox" at work, slowing things down with analytics.

Youtube seems to be making a push against adblockers, but uBlock is still fine for now.

[visual tree]

When even Microsoft Edge is more fluid, you know you messed up lol

[charred pewter]

lol

im not sure what you guys are doing with youtube, but ive never had any issues with it in my chrome 😦

[night girder]

Thanks for pointing that out!

Ok, so my argument is invalid. Still, weird that this is per server setting. But atleast there is some control.

[jagged snow]

Gpu was damaged in shipping

[tough owl]

Nothing pliers won’t fix

[jagged snow]

Indeed

[dapper schooner]

I'll even admit at 1st glance I thought maybee something internal was damaged,glad that's all it was though

[gilded helm]

You could also ask for a new bracket perhaps.

[dusk rivet]

unless i'm misremembering, that's a used card

[stray badger]

damn. too bad that that can be rebent, or if it does snap, it wouldnt matter

[jagged snow]

It is

[jagged snow]

Yeah, haven't had a chance to get it in a system and powered on yet but everything else looks fine visually

[maiden coyote]

That sucks.. I'd probably file a claim If it was me

Ain't no telling what kind of damage was done to the gpu die

[languid gulch]

wow, that's one hell of a bonk

took me a second to realize those tabs were 90 degrees off

yea i'd send it back

maybe plug it in & double check if it's viable?

idk what that does to sale terms

man that sucks

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I'll contact seller about it... I threw the pcie bracket in the vice and got it mostly straightened out, but it was actually worse than it looked at first... the entire thing was folded along the long axis above the outputs

[jagged snow]

Yeah, the box was pretty well destroyed, I'll send pictures once I block out my address

[languid gulch]

that almost sounds like intentional damage

[jagged snow]

Or just sheer negligence... update - there was absolutely no margin given for gpu compatibility on my case

[maiden coyote]

The heat sink can and will shock load the die. I've seen it plenty of times with ps4s..

It cracks the balls under the chip.

Or rips a pad off

[jagged snow]

Yeah... I'm testing it now before I get in touch with the seller

[maiden coyote]

Unless it was dirt cheap I wouldn't trust it to last. That kind of hit did damage.

[jagged snow]

I got it for about 50 dollars less than what they were selling for

[dusk rivet]

i didn’t realize this was rotated and was so confused

[jagged snow]

Yeah lol
I had to pull cpu cooler, ram, 24 pin, and usb 3 connector to get it in and it's got less than a mm of clearance to those front fans(it'll probably touch once it sags so hopefully there's no issues with vibration

[jagged snow]

Hmm, not off to a good start, no display

Could be that I forgot to ddu before installing the card

[cyan crescent]

With all the talk about intel 14th gen hitting 6Ghz, im sitting here thinking, “if my CPUs are hitting thermal limit and sucking 300-400 watts to do 6Ghz then its a no from me”

[wanton orchid]

especially considering the cost of controlling 300watt make probably worth taking the 7800x3d instead

[stray badger]

7900x undervolted to 90w

Or 7950x undervolted to 100w

[jagged snow]

Well, gpu appears to be dead unless it will only boot with all three power connectors populated

System boots, no display out

Trying with other vbios

No dice
Can't seem to find full manual for the card either, only quick start

[dusk rivet]

you can get a little stand to prop it up can’t you?

[jagged snow]

Doesn't matter for a dead card 😭

[dusk rivet]

what’d you do to your card

wait, used card

[sage heron]

For some reason my laptops cpu fan is spinning the other way, Also my computer is making a silent sizzling noise you would hear from a tv

[dusk rivet]

did they sell you a dead card?

[jagged snow]

Ups decided to drop the package out of the truck and then run it over on the way back to pick it up

[dusk rivet]

what. the. hell.

this is why people don’t like ups

[jagged snow]

That's what the pcie bracket looked like

[dusk rivet]

i saw that, was hoping it was just cosmetic

sounds like it wasn’t just cosmetic

[jagged snow]

Apparently not, no display out

[dusk rivet]

contact ups and complain

[jagged snow]

I'm going to go through ebay seller... while Def not his fault the packing could've been better

[dusk rivet]

sounds like you got video, so should be fairly easy to get them to pay for it

what was the packaging like?

bare gpu and packing peanuts? /j

[jagged snow]

Two layers of big bubble bubble wrap and some packing paper

Also in an esd bag

[sage heron]

Is it safe to unplug a fan

[jagged snow]

If the device is off

[sage heron]

It has that thermal tape stuff on it

[dusk rivet]

yeah don’t go changing anything at all while the computer is on

also dust your computer

a clean computer is a happy computer

[sage heron]

It is spinning the other way tho

[dusk rivet]

doubt the fan is spinning the wrong way

[sage heron]

Need proof?

[dusk rivet]

you’d have to reverse the current or have your software have an aneurysm

[sage heron]

Let me get a slow mo

[dusk rivet]

not even sure on the latter

[jagged snow]

That would require hw failure and I don't even think it's a feasible failure mode on almost anything

[dusk rivet]

yeah kinda my point

[jagged snow]

I'm agreeing with you lol

[dusk rivet]

i mean there’s a chance it was repaired at some point and the tech was dumb, or user repair and they misplaced something

[dusk rivet]

my bad

[jagged snow]

You have any ideas for my card?

[dusk rivet]

as in for reviving it or for letting it leave this world in a blaze of glory

[jagged snow]

Reviving

[dusk rivet]

any info beyond no video out?

does it at least boot?

[jagged snow]

The system does boot, card rgb turns on

[dusk rivet]

i mean that’s promising

[jagged snow]

I tried all the display outputs

[dusk rivet]

well that was gonna be my next idea, but that’s not great

integrated graphics by chance?

[jagged snow]

Nope

[dusk rivet]

well crap

i mean not much to do as a user

[jagged snow]

I do have like 5 spare gpus, I can throw one in the bottom pcie slot

[dusk rivet]

i’d call ups and make them refund, then contact the seller about it

if you have a video it should be fairly easy to get ups to refund

[jagged snow]

A video of what?

[sage heron]

It's too big

[dusk rivet]

video of ups bullying your gpu box

[sage heron]

I'm gunna try to get a norm vide0

[jagged snow]

Oh no that was me sarcastically referencing a popular video lol

[dusk rivet]

oh lol

[jagged snow]

I have images of the damaged book on my porch but that's about it

[dusk rivet]

oh even the cardboard was damaged?

[jagged snow]

And also the card damage ofc

[dusk rivet]

yeah ups should refund that

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah the box was pretty crushed

[dusk rivet]

oh for sure that’ll get a refund

even if the packaging was sub-par shipping shouldn’t ever cause that

[sage heron]

Here it is

Here it is

Discord is crashing💀

[dusk rivet]

Here it is

[jagged snow]

Yeah... I'd still like to get it working if possible though
At this point looks like hw-level repair

[dusk rivet]

yeah

time to go finding out what the card looks like under the cooler?

[jagged snow]

Idk maybe baldur has more ideas

[dusk rivet]

yeah wait on baldur

[jagged snow]

Not untill I get my money back

[dusk rivet]

ah good idea

if you do go exploring show me

[jagged snow]

This is the single most expensive piece of hw I've ever bought

[dusk rivet]

what is it?

[jagged snow]

6900xt

[dusk rivet]

idk how it took me this long to ask
oh nice

[jagged snow]

Not that nice 😭

[dusk rivet]

i mean it’s a nice card when it functions

[jagged snow]

True that

[dusk rivet]

not so much when ups bullies it

poor 6900xt deserved better

[jagged snow]

Yeah...

The fact that the rgb works gives me some hope

[sage heron]

here it is finally

my phone was actin up

you can see the fan with the gap is turning the other way

and the gpu fan spin the right way

[jagged snow]

Hard to tell but they both look fine

[sage heron]

alr

[jagged snow]

They have reversed blades

[dusk rivet]

that’s an exhaust fan if i’ve ever seen one

[sage heron]

let me make a image

[dusk rivet]

gpu is intake, cpu is exhaust, makes sense to me

no idea what the silent sizzling could be tho, other than the fans

[sage heron]

worst example but will work

red arrows are the direction of the fan is spinning

[sage heron]

the screws randomly disapeared when i put a vaccum the the exhuasts

idk if its the screws

[dusk rivet]

did you vacuum up the screws

[dusk rivet]

they’re spinning the same direction but have opposite facing fans

[sage heron]

should i fix that? my cpu gets to 190f

87C

[dusk rivet]

87c is fine

not amazing, but not bad

[sage heron]

wdym

[jagged snow]

@dusk rivet can't get display out with other card now either 🤔

[sage heron]

i have to use all the cores just to get around the thermal throttling

[jagged snow]

What is that supposed to mean?

[sage heron]

put it in a bag of rice :💯 💯 💯

[sage heron]

uhm

i lose frames on demanding games

or its just the broken cord i have

[jagged snow]

Or it's just underspecced hw
What hw is it?

[sage heron]

arent the fans supposed to cool the copper that transfers cool liquid inside the copper that cools the cpu

or is it the other way.

[sage heron]

wdym hw

new word

[jagged snow]

Hardware

[sage heron]

dang

do you need my model

Device name DESKTOP-CLPVCO7
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10300H CPU @ 2.50GHz 2.50 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.8 GB usable)
Device ID -
Product ID 00325-81964-10567-AA---
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

i blocked out 3 letters of the product id

acer nitro 5 gtx 1650 ti

pretty overkill ram tho

to much ram

fr i swear i will find a way to use ice to cool my computer

[jagged snow]

That's older hardware for sure

[sage heron]

i believe i got it 3 years ago'

still fightin , im thinking about adding a 2nd nvme

the plastic alr breakin down, 3 cracks

should i turn the fan around?

[jagged snow]

@dusk rivet new update - it doesn't boot on second gpu with the 6900xt installed in the top slot, but does once the 6900xt is completely out of the system

[sage heron]

did you forget the drivers 😏

[jagged snow]

🗿 windows has default drivers

[sage heron]

💀

still use windows 10?

[jagged snow]

💀 Still give unhelpful comments?

[sage heron]

isnt the gpu dead tho

[jagged snow]

That's what I'm trying to figure out

[sage heron]

gpus are another whole entire story in tech beyond comprehension of normal poeple that know tech💀

[stray badger]

16gb aint that much

and a 1650 will definitely struggle with modern games

i wish my laptop maxed at 87c

over 90 teehee

[jagged snow]

How obsolete it gets all depends on how low your atandards are

I played on a 470 up untill about two years ago

[jagged snow]

@dusk rivet Another update: pcie bracket was still not quite right and was preventing the card from fully searing in the pcie slot

Unfortunately, I'm unable to get the bracket lined up correctly

[jagged snow]

Mornin herg

[edgy hazel]

[jagged snow]

Hopefully your morning is going better than my evening

[edgy hazel]

[jagged snow]

Sorry to hear that

I'll set up a bench in the morning and see if I can get display out of the card when it's fully Seated, if not then it's refund time baybee

[twin dew]

Can easily be this.

[twin dew]

Nah, if you don't specifically buy insurance, they refund the shipping basically.
And fight every step of that.

Page 28 half-way rightmost column. 54. Claims and Legal Actions: Individual Binding Arbitration of Claims
Page 31, bottom of righmost column. 55. Responsibility for Loss or Damage
www.ups.com/assets/resources/webcontent/en_US/terms_service_us.pdf

OK, seems that UPS "might" pay up to $100.

This was about UPS completely decimating a package in shipping, and what they would reimburse.

And warranty replacements need to be free in EU IIRC.
Returns for "I don't want this" don't.

Might not be legal.
And free warranty replacement includes the shipping BACK to the store.
Not just store shipping the new items to you.

[twin dew]

But GPUs having protections and not turning on without all power plugs connected is pretty standard.

RAM is in actual powers of two so far.