satisfactory

[ornate saffron]

in game. in the settings menu there is a search bar

[stray widget]

I found it. Didn't work in-game, but in the main menu it's there.

[unkempt blade]

the other way to really dial up the realism is more factory carts delivering items while doing trick routes on skatepark foundation

[white dawn]

If there was, you'd be able to see it in #announcements btw

For that kind of news they don't just post it somewhere and then make people hunt for it; there'd be a video and such announcing it.

[lavish flame]

oh yeah that makes sense, thought it couldn't hurt to ask anyways tbf, thanks goat 🙏

[unkempt blade]

just remember that 1.2 is always going to release tomorrow if you believe in it hard enough

[ivory bluff]

Phew... Well, it took me way too long, but the Motor factory (20 motor per minute) is online.

I had "fun" with creating a highway and setting up the trajectory of my vehicules.

The truck kept wanting to pull a Thelma and Louise on me.

[woeful jewel]

whats the flattest biome

wanna know before i start my first run

i plan on using those little trollies for all my transportation
for the bit

[reef basin]

kinda subjective question tbh

and you don't want to be in one place anyway

[woeful jewel]

yeah

[versed cosmos]

grassy fields starts of pretty flat

[woeful jewel]

just need a flatter area to put my main industrial zone

[versed cosmos]

dune desert can easily be made flat

avoid northern forest completely lol

[woeful jewel]

how so

[reef basin]

I'd put industrial zones near nodes 🙂

[versed cosmos]

you just pave over it with foundations

[reef basin]

can always just build foundations

[woeful jewel]

oh right

[versed cosmos]

the dunes themselves are pretty tall but there's no huge spires or cliffs

[woeful jewel]

going to the middle of the map and making a massive factory in the sky

[versed cosmos]

middle of the map is not flat in the slightest lmao

[woeful jewel]

im gonna be using a bunch of those carts for transport

american highway simulator

[versed cosmos]

would be pretty easy if you could bring all the resources to the middle of the map and build everything there

[woeful jewel]

if i build high enough

[versed cosmos]

i think the map is designed so thats diffcult

[woeful jewel]

ive summoned the factory cart person

[unkempt blade]

that's why you should build in the giant hole in the middle of the map because there's lots of room to make nice flat foundations over the void

[versed cosmos]

well if youre going to build floating platforms then you can build literally anywhere

you dont need the flattest biome because you just put the platform in the sky

[unkempt blade]

especially in the big hole in the middle of the map

[versed cosmos]

i feel like the cliffs around it are still a problem for actually getting resources in

[woeful jewel]

i love when i can only see the top left of my screen

[versed cosmos]

also copper you will use the whole map eventually

dont think about starting in one biome and somehow building everything there

[woeful jewel]

my tiny laptop doesnt fit it all :(

[woeful jewel]

well yeah

[versed cosmos]

on my last save i had most of my stuff in the rocky desert but built my aluminium in the swamp

[woeful jewel]

before i do something stupid

[versed cosmos]

even built a fuel power plant to power the thing up instead of running cables across the map

[unkempt blade]

but a megafactory in a single biome is peak independency 🙁

[woeful jewel]

is there really a large difference between pure and impure

[versed cosmos]

yes

[woeful jewel]

whatsit

[versed cosmos]

pure gives 4x what impure gives

[woeful jewel]

oh thats fiiineee

[versed cosmos]

a mk1 miner on an impure node gives 30/min. on a pure node youll get 120

[woeful jewel]

oh

oki doki

[unkempt blade]

Per-node yes. In practice not really, just use more nodes

[versed cosmos]

yeah

[woeful jewel]

so i should only mine on one node of each resource till i get mk1...

i dont care how much pain it causes i will get efficiency at one point

[versed cosmos]

the grassy fields has few pure nodes but lots of impure nodes usually clustered together

logistics is easier if youre just dealing with one miner because you just have one belt

just plug it into a manifold or splitter tree if you like load balancing

[woeful jewel]

omg wait i forgot story is out (?)

happy

[versed cosmos]

yeah that's been the case since 1.0 lol

[coarse field]

how much lift does a water extractor exactly give without needing a pump? And how do I easily measure how far up a pipe has gone to make sure I'm below that?

[white dawn]

All fluid-producing machines will give you a "free" 10m head lift. (Their descriptions in the codex (hit o or n) tell you that too, btw, I believe)

It's measured from the center of the pipe socket. If you want to measure it directly you could use 1m-high walls (or combinations of varying-sized walls, to get to the desired height)

Though personally I wouldn't worry too much about "optimizing" your pump placement

[honest nimbus]

anyone know the tierlist of fuels?

[versed cosmos]

2 4m walls is a good way to measure

then 4 between each pump

gives you some overlap to make sure you get it

[white dawn]

Just place 'em right about at the spot where you bend 'em "upwards." Once you've got one pump placed, it'll tell you how high up it's trying to push the liquid (if you interact with the pump), so that could help you align the next one(s) if need be

[glossy scarab]

why aint my to do list working?

[white dawn]

There's a lot of subjective opinion involved, there's not one "main" tier list that everyone's gonna agree on

[glossy scarab]

when i add something nothing shows up

[honest nimbus]

for jetpck i say

[reef basin]

no, as there's nothing like "best" or "worst" fuel

[honest nimbus]

something like the most durable one?

[reef basin]

depends on where

[coarse field]

Okay, so if the endpoint of the pipe is within 10m of the water extractor in terms of height, even if it stretches over a bit of distance, say 5 or 6 foundations away, it should be fine, right?

fine without any pumps I mean

[white dawn]

For Jetpack, once you're in Phase 3, most folks will want to use either Packaged Liquid Biofuel or Pakaged Turbofuel, or switch back and forth between 'em as the situation warrants. (LBF is better for long-range "gliding," whereas Turbofuel lets you go up much faster)

Once you're in Phase 4, I personally prefer Packaged Rocket Fuel to either, but LBF still has the longer horizontal-glide distance

And then IMO in Phase 5, Packaged Ionized Fuel is the "best" overall, though that's just my opinion. I seem to think that LBF might even technically win out for horizontal gliding, though the difference is pretty slight at that point

In re: long-range gliding, though, don't sleep on the parachute.

Launching yourself up with turbofuel and then swapping to parachute can get you super far

[unkempt blade]

with slide jumping + fluttering the fuel trigger I just never feel like horizontal distance is my issue with other fuels

[white dawn]

Yeah, me neither. I used to be quite a LBF advocate but honestly after forcing myself to spend more time with even Turbofuel, I found that TF was nearly always able to give me the distance I needed anyway

Like, yeah, LBF could certainly go longer

But even just TF is nearly always Good Enough™ for the distance I actually wanted to glide

Still, I tend to just keep a stack of both on-hand. No need to limit yourself to just one!

[restive umbra]

I prefer RF over IF for jet pack because go uppies a little faster

[honest nimbus]

ty guys

[white dawn]

Heh, see? :D I suspect the only real consensus you'll get re: jetpack fuels is that Solid Biofuel and Packaged Fuel kind of suck, but if you don't have any other fuels available yet then They'll Do For Now™. 🥳

[unkempt blade]

oh sorry I didn't see you wanted a tier list...

1. fuel
2. rocket fuel
3. solid biofuel
4. ionized fuel
5. turbofuel
   6)liquid biofuel

now you have all the jetpack fuel opinions you'll ever need

[mental tinsel]

where can you do suggestions?

[versed cosmos]

nowhere

[unkempt blade]

http://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

[mental tinsel]

thanks!

[normal orbit]

tier list for what?

[unkempt blade]

jetpack fuels

[normal orbit]

objectively wrong :p

[unkempt blade]

yeah but subjectively I'm a jetpack fuel expert

[lavish burrow]

I'm about to start a 1.2 save- wait no, what the heck? Is that backwards?

[versed cosmos]

i really wanna start a 1.2 save but im scared of experimental lol

[earnest condor]

It's fine. They fixed all the game-breakers in the last patch.

[lavish burrow]

I don't think I ever am not on experimental. Anyways, what I was going to ask was if anyone had any input on if I should or should not try random node placement. I kinda want to mix things up but I don't want to start a save i'm going to end up abandoning because it ended up being dumb.

[normal orbit]

well crashes, theres some bugs which kinda stop gameplay since it disables your inputs :p

[earnest condor]

You can fix that by pressing other inputs though.

[normal orbit]

but they avoidable

[earnest condor]

So it disrupts you for like.. 5s at most.

[thick cave]

hai

[unkempt blade]

you should do max randomness

[lavish burrow]

Well, the intent was to randomize node type and purity.

[normal orbit]

i'm doing a somewhat modifed advanced-random game atm

[unkempt blade]

I'm waiting for 1.2 to go full release before I do a new save which I'm optimistically choosing to believe will be tomorrow

[glossy scarab]

what does m 4 convayers take

to make encvased industial beams?

[lavish burrow]

I guess one question I do have is, should I expect to see roughly similar total numbers of resource types as the standard placement? Or am I going to end up with tons of uranium everywhere because it weighs them equally?

[normal orbit]

if you just use random, it will be same amount of nodes

they just in diffrent locations

if you use the basic/fossile/advanced then type of nodes change accordingly

[unkempt blade]

uranium everywhere is basically the dream

[lavish burrow]

So if I do random + random purity, there will be five randomly located uranium nodes on the map?

[normal orbit]

yes

[ivory bluff]

Now that Motors are online... Time to get back to oil and actually start it... But that will wait tomorrow.

[lavish burrow]

Nifty. I think i'll do that, then. Not sure about node purity, though.

Well, i'm going to go spend an inordinate amount of time overthinking this.

[cobalt crater]

No idea what I was doing with my first Super Computer Facotry considering I can make them from just Cat and Crude

[versed cosmos]

you could just load up a randomised world, go into advanced game settings and flight mode and just fly around and see if you like it

[earnest condor]

I'm assuming base recipe?

[cobalt crater]

No, just a complete mess of not knowing wtf I was doing

[earnest condor]

No like the "just Caterium and Oil" statement --> base recipe?

[cobalt crater]

I think I was using alts in my first one, too

But I am using more alts in my current planned out

[earnest condor]

🤦‍♂️ nevermind.

[cobalt crater]

I don't even know what you're trying to ask, bro

[earnest condor]

We are not related.

Also, yes -- you used the base recipe for SuperComputer if you're doing it solely from those 2 resources.

[cobalt crater]

Cat CBs are base? Plastic AI limiters are base? QW cable is base?

[earnest condor]

the base recipe for SuperComputer

Not OC, not Super-State.

[cobalt crater]

It's like your in an entire different converstaion

[earnest condor]

No.
You were talking about SuperComputers.
I asked if you use the base recipe.

Which, in context, is automatically specific to SuperComputers.

You somehow got confused by how simple this question was. And here we are.

[cobalt crater]

Oh, I assumed you were asking if I was using base recipies for the interm parts

[chilly nova]

that´s how it tends to be with this guy, take my advice and just ignore it

[earnest condor]

Is this, a brand new person also making things personal about me without cause?

Fun. Blocked. 👋

[earnest condor]

All good.

Didn't want to have to look it up, so I asked.
Which led to me looking it up anyway 😄

[cobalt crater]

I just assume "first SC factory" would be enough context to safely assume I wouldn't be dabbling in the alts FOR the SCs

[earnest condor]

This is a lot of assumptions 😭
I know many, many people who don't build a good number of products unless they have alts.

[vagrant garnet]

I'm at stage 3-4 and rn finished 600mw coal electricity farm. anyone have any helpful suggestions for me?

builds etc

[blazing bane]

What kind of suggestions are you looking for? This is a bit broad

[cobalt crater]

Right now, I'm kind of taking the "build this here, that there, and smash them together over yonder" approch

[earnest condor]

Go unlock mk3 belts and mk2 miners then build larger coal power.

[vagrant garnet]

yeah it's on my mind ill do that

[cobalt crater]

Trying to build everything for the ASDs in one factory is going to gave me a headache

[earnest condor]

Fair. Best example I can give is most people I know won't touch aluminium without alts.

[earnest condor]

mk3 belt is life-changing.

[vagrant garnet]

like some better farm or build etc

[vagrant garnet]

I'll try

[earnest condor]

This game has farming 👀

[vagrant garnet]

is station ship worth farming rn?

[cobalt crater]

Oh god, I have to set up aluminium still

[vagrant garnet]

should I finish that

[earnest condor]

What is "station ship?"

[blazing bane]

Sevrahn’s suggestion is good. Also get steel going if you haven’t

[vagrant garnet]

space station mb

not very good at english

[earnest condor]

This game has a space station?

[vagrant garnet]

yeah

[blazing bane]

Elevator, he means

[earnest condor]

Ah.

[vagrant garnet]

oh

true

Is it worth finishing should I farm it

[earnest condor]

Genuine curiosity:
Is calling factories "farms" a non-english thing?

[blazing bane]

I dont personally build entire factories for space elevator parts, i just feed the final pieces into assemblers from cargo containers

[vagrant garnet]

I just thought about that.

[earnest condor]

Do you have an answer? 😮

[vagrant garnet]

no😄

[earnest condor]

😭

[abstract heron]

do people play satisfactory in summer?

[vagrant garnet]

got it I wonder what it will look like when finished, it looks really nice

[vagrant garnet]

hellyeah

[blazing bane]

Saving the day is a year round occupation

[abstract heron]

but IRL HEAT in summer which i dislike

[abstract heron]

and 2 i need a break after dis hrs 19,638 hrs on record TOTAL

[lavish burrow]

I tend to play intermittently, but not in relation to any IRL season.

[abstract heron]

i love the game but i don't want a oven to sleep in or be in

[vagrant garnet]

Dude, this game is addictive i want to stay in the game, build like crazy, and pull some kind of power cable without quitting

[abstract heron]

I have everything mostly on low minus the shadows

[vagrant garnet]

like doing electricity stuff

[abstract heron]

i love the game too but summer IRL temps and heat is annoying so i take a break in summer

[lavish burrow]

Eh, I live in Texas. As long as the AC is working, things are fine. If it isn't working, i'm going to be miserable regardless of what i'm playing.

[abstract heron]

Don't wanna but have to

[vagrant garnet]

Where do you live? In the desert or something?

[abstract heron]

🇨🇦

its summer time for us atm or slowly going into it with a few days of warm like tmr bweteen 29C to 31C

[lavish burrow]

...Would you consider 78F to be an above average room temperature?

[abstract heron]

78F is in C

[lavish burrow]

Which would be.... 25.555(...)C.

[abstract heron]

that is meh but warm

[normal orbit]

25C would be insanely hot for indoors :o

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, I think I just have skewed temperature preferences, then.

[abstract heron]

ya its fall cooler fall to spring until summer time hits

[restive umbra]

25c is like 25 billion km/h

very fast

[lavish burrow]

For what it's worth, it's 86F/30C outside right now.

So a fairly cool day.

On a related note, man I wish we would standardize units of measurement. Get on the metric system, too.

[abstract heron]

28C for me atm but heat ish 🙁 as temp goes

[lavish burrow]

And also get rid of DST, please.

[abstract heron]

so i play half and half tmr HOT Monday HOT Tuesday DAY TIME HOT Tueday NIGHT COOL

[normal orbit]

i find it endlessly amusing that america is officially on the metric system, but their citizens refuses to use it

[lavish burrow]

I don't think that's entirely accurate?

[normal orbit]

they've been on it since like 1972 or something

[abstract heron]

Don't Worrie I love the game but it feels to HOT in summer to play so i play other games and Even with the AC on too

[lavish burrow]

Like, i'll admit, I don't really go outside... much, but I never see things listed in kilometers, for one example.

[abstract heron]

Doing Light bit of math today

[normal orbit]

all their standards were in metic. so they go imperial -> metric -> measure to control -> convert back to imperial

[abstract heron]

Nothing heavy prodction today

[lavish burrow]

What I find amusing is that America is the country that can't get away from the system we call Imperial...

[abstract heron]

I love the game but feeling like a oven or to sleep its worst

[normal orbit]

the third pounder burger failed in america cause people thought the quarter pounder was larger. :D

[lavish burrow]

Well, that's just people being stupid in general. I don't think the system of measurement would change that.

[normal orbit]

kind of would, since it would be in grams.

[abstract heron]

I love playing the game when its cooler

[normal orbit]

150g burger vs 200g burger for example

[lavish burrow]

I'm thinking of it in terms of 1/3rd versus 1/4th.

[earnest condor]

4 is bigger than 3, duh.
😏

[restive umbra]

hot take: all units of measurement are arbitrary and stanning a measurement system is silly

[lavish burrow]

But to be entirely honest, I also think that the words "quarter pounder" also roll off the tongue way better.

[normal orbit]

tell that to nasas crashed 2 trillion dollar mars probe they crashed cause they didnt do unit conversion :p

[restive umbra]

I'm not sure what that has to do with my point

[lavish burrow]

They may be arbitrary, but if everyone is on the same page of arbitrary, it's still easier than if people are using different types of arbitrary.

[restive umbra]

I think context is important

[normal orbit]

the point is that its not silly to have everyone on the same system

[earnest condor]

I move to change 1/3 to be "thorter".

[lavish burrow]

I also personally think that some systems are more intuitive.

But i'm also neurodivergent so what I find intuitive is not going to usually match what others do, to be fair.

[normal orbit]

and considering the entire world aside three countries use the metric system. it makes sense to swap to that

[restive umbra]

when you're sending a rocket into space yeah definitely you need everyone on the same measurement system, that's definitely a huge administrative failure, but that doesn't make metric better or worse than imperial

[lavish burrow]

I think the main issue is simply that it's hard to adjust. Even if it makes things easier in the long run

[earnest condor]

All of the science parts of the US are on metric.
It's just the plebian parts that are on "Murican" units.

[lavish burrow]

I think metric being applicable and consistent across numerous forms of measurement is a point in it's favor.

Sort of like how Celsius is less arbitrary than Farenheit because of how it matches the freezing and boiling points of water.

[restive umbra]

that is arbitrary 🙂

There are no non-arbitrary units of measurement

[earnest condor]

Matches the boiling of water but is measured in mercury 😏

[lavish burrow]

Hmm. Maybe not "less arbitrary", then, but "more practical".

[restive umbra]

I find farenheit much more practical in daily life

[lavish burrow]

Like, Kelvin is arguably actually less arbitrary, but in more cases it's also far less practical.

And yes, i'm the same way, but that's largely because all of the references I have to look at temperature are already in F

I play a lot of Oxygen Not Included, for one example, and in that, I play in Celsius despite thinking of my "room temperature" in Farenheit.

[earnest condor]

Farenheit is more approachable in terms of weather because grouping the ranges in 10's is easily understood.
Like understanding what "70's" feels like is easier than "21-25"

[restive umbra]

this is part of what I meant by "context is important"

[normal orbit]

thats mainly cause its a system you're used to

the main advantage of using celsius would just be cause everyone else uses it

[earnest condor]

Why are we speaking about temperature when there are factories to grow?

[lavish burrow]

Although, I guess another point I could make is that I do actually prefer Farenheit for room temperature simply because it's more precise within the temperature range I live in, and i'm very sensitive to even single degree shifts. So a single degree shift in Celsius would be substantial.

[lavish burrow]

Um. I actually don't know.

I guess just "general procrastination" on my part.

[normal orbit]

thermometers here for room temp are with a decimal point. so technically, you have finer shifts of 0.1C not just 1C

[restive umbra]

I think we should switch to the measurement system used by whichever country generates the most revenue! If we get everyone on the same page in that way everyone will be RICH!

[earnest condor]

Given temperature is about molecular energy, we should measure it in vibrations per minute 😏

[lavish burrow]

Oh, right, you can't post images in this channel.

[restive umbra]

quantum physics would like a word with you

also minutes are another arbitrary measurement 😄

[earnest condor]

To confirm that temperature is about vibrational energy?

[restive umbra]

you mentioned vibration rate, not energy

[earnest condor]

Higher rate = higher energy state.

[lavish burrow]

But how sensual is it?

[earnest condor]

Ok what????

Why.

Just... why....

[lavish burrow]

I don't even know. I'm grasping at straws for humor right now.

[earnest condor]

🚪 🚶‍♂️

[lavish burrow]

Someone correct me if i'm wrong- despite using similar affixes, bits and bytes do not match up with the standard metric affix hierarchy, right?

[restive umbra]

at this point I'm pretty sure you just have to clarify your meaning every single time you need to get that specific thanks to marketing BS

[violet glen]

what do you mean?

[restive umbra]

kilobyte, megabyte, etc

[violet glen]

a kilobyte is 1000 bytes

[restive umbra]

like there's also kibibytes and mibibytes but nobody I know actually talks like that

[normal orbit]

they do, but its a bit complicated. theres kilo byte for 1000 bytes and kibbibits for 1024

[violet glen]

The one with powers of two has a different name

[earnest condor]

Chibibytes when?

[reef basin]

no, they match

[restive umbra]

it does but I've never actually heard anyone use them in practice

[normal orbit]

its also misused HEAVILY in marketing

[lavish burrow]

My understanding was that it wasn't always "1000 times the previous tier" because of powers of two and computers or something.

[restive umbra]

nobody I know mentions they're going to allocate a kibibyte array in memory or whatever

[reef basin]

it was changed to match it

[lavish burrow]

Okay, that suddenly explains a lot, even outside this original context...

Ah, okay... to quote wikipedia, "When referring to information units in computing, such as gigabyte, giga may sometimes mean 1073741824 (230); this causes ambiguity. Standards organizations discourage this and use giga- to refer to 109 in this context too."

[normal orbit]

it also doesnt help windows displays kiB (kibbibits) but write it as kB (kilobytes) so the numbers are kinda wrong

[lavish burrow]

And then dog windows just has that refer to kibble and bits, which is just silly.

[latent prawn]

what happened around 20 yrs ago is hd manufacturers started lying about drive capacity and saying 10^x bytes were megabytes/gigabytes. it led to a lot of confusion

[lavish burrow]

I feel like there is going to be confusion no matter what because of how computing architecture works, though, no?

[restive umbra]

like basically everything else that sucks in the world I blame capitalism

[lavish burrow]

Okay, i've skimmed a wikipedia article on this. I get the gist of it, I think.

[latent prawn]

it was a non-standard at the time, but everyone was calling a kilobyte 2^10 = 1024 megabyte was that squared, giga that cubed

[reef basin]

microsoft argument is as usual "wE nEeD bAcK cOmPaTiBiLiTy"

instead of being actually good OS, they just keep all the bad things from the past

[latent prawn]

because computer main memory is most efficiently broken up and addressed on power-of-two boundaries, it is the natural unit of measure

[lavish burrow]

meanwhile every week "upgrade to windows 11 or your soul is at risk"

[restive umbra]

don't forget to upgrade your spyware

[latent prawn]

or, 'our old product wasn't good enough'

[reef basin]

I'm at win 10 and happy

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, I don't like being pressured to leave my comfort zone. It took me forever to upgrade to windows 10 in the first place.

[restive umbra]

the only reason I'd want to upgrade to win11 is so I can use my e-cores because for some reason they decided to gate the scheduler that's aware of them behind win11

so instead I just disabled them

the best thing any OS can do is just get the hell out of my way and stop changing things

[lavish burrow]

In other news, I was running into hard drive space issues the other day. It turned out that I had about 100 GB of excess Crusader Kings III backup saves lying around because of my compulsive saving habit.

That was, at the very least, a refreshingly straightforward problem to fix.

[reef basin]

well I just disabled updates a few weeks before they started forcing win11 updates

so I'm running a nice non-updated version that doesn't break and doesn't force me anything. And doesn't have AI slop in it

[restive umbra]

I disabled my TPM so it won't upgrade

lmao

[lavish burrow]

Hey now, let's get our terminology straight. AI slop refers to memes.

[restive umbra]

eh... not really

[reef basin]

not at all?

[lavish burrow]

Okay, let me go check and see if the definition changed when I wasn't paying attention.

[reef basin]

afaik it never was that way?

[restive umbra]

yeah this is the first I'm hearing of that

[lavish burrow]

Maybe I just interpreted it differently.

I considered things like... the AI-generated Steamed Hams streaming channel to be AI slop. Banal nonsense that is still kind of appreciable in it's own, bizzare way.

But I have also generally tried to avoid paying attention to anything AI related because it's such a contentious topic.

[reef basin]

doesn't it refer to any content of questionable quality generated by AI?

[restive umbra]

that's been my impression

[lavish burrow]

Hmm. Maybe a better way to put this is that "I frequently laugh at shitposts despite them being banal".

Like, if you look at my discord icon, you can get a general idea of things I tend to find funny.

But yeah. I'm very out of the loop on AI related anything because my personal stance ("I have no strong feelings one way or another") tends to attract... unpleasant attention from both extremes.

I think the only time i've actually had an opinion regarding AI-generated content was defending Touhou 20's use of it, since the AI generated backgrounds were quite literally depicting what was supposed to be a literal representation of AI information, in-universe.

Why am I still talking about this? This can only lead to bad places. I am done now.

[compact briar]

sometimes i play this game while im blasted

i come back the next day looking at my belts and thinking what the fuck have i done

[restive umbra]

that sounds awful

[lavish burrow]

Relatable, but with sleep deprivation.

Similar symptoms, actually.

But usually the result there is that I get nothing productive done because I can't focus on anything, so I end up just making dumb signs that I occasionally forget about and then rediscover later.

[woeful jewel]

OH MY

why am i lagging so bad

[lavish burrow]

...Marmots?

[woeful jewel]

lowest settings and i set my screen percentage to 50

[lavish burrow]

Definitely marmots, then.

[woeful jewel]

hm

[restive umbra]

sounds like you're not graphics bottlenecked then

CPU/Memory is probably the culprit

[lavish burrow]

I have had the game sitting on the title screen for an hour and a half now. Sigh.

At least the current experimental title screen is really cool looking.

[compact briar]

its more of a puzzle

i know i did something for a reason, just need to figure out what and why

[lavish burrow]

Wait, why is caterium listed as a "basic resource"?

[compact briar]

actually sometimes i come back and see that apperantly i fixed a problem ive been having

[lavish burrow]

Well, okay, my new random node seed started with a coal and iron node right next to each other. That's appreciable.

oh my god there is like no limestone anywhere here

Well, time to suffer for a while, I guess.

[woeful jewel]

it seems satisfactory brings my cpu usage to 80%

[glacial totem]

does anyone know their mercer spheres well enough to tell me how to get to the one at 78, 2948

[earnest condor]

Do you have a screenshot of the map?

[warped crane]

@earnest condor how many per minute of the project parts are you doing?

I was doing some napkin math on the phase 4 stuff and nuclear pasta at scale looks rough

[glacial totem]

should I DM you or put it in the screenshots forum

[earnest condor]

Phase 2 Plating/Framework/Autowire was 60/90/40

[earnest condor]

#screenshots is fine.

[glacial totem]

I'm on my phone so it's going to be a shitty photo

or will that get deleted

[long flume]

Yo does anyone Wana play with me I kinda of just started

[earnest condor]

#1201555265942724758

[warped crane]

50/min nuclear pasta is showing as requiring like 33k copper ore input 😂

[earnest condor]

Although I highly, HIGHLY recommend doing your first run solo.

[warped crane]

I suppose at that point you basically have to sloop stuff to double

[earnest condor]

#screenshots is fine.

[glacial totem]

done

[restive umbra]

hope you guys don't mind if I upload a bunch of crap into the dimensional depot

[fluid sapphire]

those all for concrete?

[restive umbra]

the big one I posed in screenshots is for quartz crystal actually bc I use the hell out of the smaller signs for lights

I hand rolled a 10x uploader for concrete way earlier in this save and I haven't actually felt much need to upgrade it

[glacial totem]

I did a really stupid thing

I rode the pod from the base up into the sky

Now I can't find my death crate

has anyone else done this? Aahhh

[hard wolf]

skill issue

[hard wolf]

make sure it's not clipped into something nearby

[glacial totem]

I guess it's gone forever 🥴

I'm standing on the exact spot and it's just green grass

[hard wolf]

jetpack + foundation pillar?

[restive umbra]

you didn't need that stuff anyway

[glacial totem]

just keep building into the sky?

[glacial totem]

I had spheres

[hard wolf]

yep

[glacial totem]

good idea

[woeful jewel]

i love when i cant save my game for 10 minutes because the file doesnt wanna overwrite the old one :)

[chrome whale]

Why does train station's direction impact whether the other terminals are powered on or not. This game has so many little quirks

[earnest condor]

To make sure you build it properly?
How is that a quirk?

[hard wolf]

does it? I was considering setting up a push system for fun 😦

[earnest condor]

Push systems work fine though?

[hard wolf]

that was in reference to this. I could add on an extra station to power on all of the logistics platforms, but then it would look weird (imo). I'm kind of skeptical that it works like that, though

[glossy scarab]

how i make 3 convayers into 2 convayers

important

[hard wolf]

merge 3 belts to 1, then split 1 belt to 2

[glossy scarab]

that will overload

[hard wolf]

split 3 belts 2 ways each to 6, then merge 3 belts to 2

[glossy scarab]

okay.....

what if i dont have a lot of space

[earnest condor]

Why not keep as 3?

[glossy scarab]

do i need to move half my factory one foundation over

[hard wolf]

actually, add mergers to 2 of the belts, split the other belt 2 ways, and feed those into the other 2 belts

[glossy scarab]

ahhhh

[earnest condor]

Could just make a belt compressor.

[glossy scarab]

i get

[earnest condor]

Which are sooo much simpler now that we have prio mergers.

[hard wolf]

pic for reference #screenshots message

[glacial totem]

is there a train track splitter?

I'm on tier 6

[glossy scarab]

it worked!

[wise junco]

just gotta make junctions

[earnest condor]

Function being?

[hard wolf]

junction

[glacial totem]

I might want to go one way, or go another?

[hard wolf]

are you using dual rails?

[earnest condor]

Oh. But you can just split at the end of any rail any time.
So wondering if they had more in mind for a specific "splitter" piece.

[glacial totem]

nope, guess I haven't unlocked those?

I only got the basic monorail pack in t6

[wise junco]

dual rails are just rails you place side by side

[hard wolf]

you build them like a road

[earnest condor]

Not an unlock. It's a method of building.

So instead of having a single, bidirectional rail, you do what the other suggest and have a dual-track system with forced directions.

It is the recommended way of doing trains for beginners and intermediates.

[glacial totem]

Ok. I misused the word direction. Imagine a large circle around the map, but sometimes wanting to visit stations within that circle instead of all the surrounding ones

[earnest condor]

Advanced trains is when you bidirectional everything like a Chad because you fully understand the potential of path signals. 😏

[hard wolf]

dual rail transcontinental loop with t and cross junctions

[glacial totem]

I might need to watch a video about junctions cause it's not clocking in my brain

[earnest condor]

Train videos for Satis are historically horrible information.

[glacial totem]

I'll keep building my loop for now though as it's keeping me engaged enough

[earnest condor]

Just build 2 tracks side by side. Trust.

[hard wolf]

dual rail pillar blueprint + autoconnect = easy loop

[earnest condor]

-# I hate that autoconnect was added.

Wait what. Nothing. Nevermind. 😏

[hard wolf]

:(

autoconnect saved me hours. I anticipate my next loop taking a bit longer because I wanna use nova curves, but definitely not as long as the time added by how fiddly placing and connecting infrastructure can be (rail too long, rail too steep, rail curves too sharply)

[thick cave]

There is no war in ba sing se

[restive umbra]

why

just don't use it

[earnest condor]

That's not how people work.

[lapis knot]

I don't think I've ever actually used autoconnect despite designing blueprints to connect with eachother all the time 😄

[earnest condor]

😄

[hard wolf]

do you use autoconnect?

[earnest condor]

Indeed.

Foundry arrays, mainly.

[hard wolf]

why is it a problem? 😭

[earnest condor]

Wait what. Nothing. Nevermind.

[hard wolf]

I feel like you're shaming yourself for using all of the tools at your disposal and being a good, efficient pioneer xwx

[earnest condor]

Nope. But I appreciate the thought. 💛

[hard wolf]

^w^

[earnest condor]

UWU

[dense roost]

can someone help me

my blue print is an arrow

[earnest condor]

🤔

[dense roost]

its a white arrow

[earnest condor]

Like none of the actual buildables are showing up?

[dense roost]

yes none

[earnest condor]

Are you on 1.1 or 1.2?

[dense roost]

1.1 i think

ill check

[earnest condor]

Think? 😭

[dense roost]

it 1.1

[earnest condor]

Mods?

[dense roost]

no

[earnest condor]

Multiplayer?

[dense roost]

no

[earnest condor]

Do you have a Printer built somewhere else in the world?

Save/Reload see if that fixes it.

[dense roost]

only the one i placed to build the print

ok i will see

[earnest condor]

There's a bug where sometimes when you try to build a BP it "appears" in the Printer itself instead of where you actually are.

[dense roost]

it worked

[earnest condor]

👍

[dense roost]

thx very much

[earnest condor]

💛

[cinder lantern]

anyone know why the map button isnt working?

[earnest condor]

Are you on 1.1 or 1.2?

[cinder lantern]

Nvm

Since when do you have to unlock it?

[earnest condor]

Since always?

[hard wolf]

I hope we get a bigger map that's (for frame of reference) more conducive of 3 or 4 teams trying to complete project assembly first xwx

[cinder lantern]

Could have sworn you didnt have to in the beta

[warped crane]

it's part of a milestone now

[earnest condor]

It used to be a MAM unlock that you had to find quartz for.
Now they just made it unlock in the same milestone as the MAM.

[warped crane]

you used to get it via the mam

[hard wolf]

without having to fight over nodes

[earnest condor]

Aerosmith has the perfect song for you.

Also teams? In a game where the max number is 4 people?

[hard wolf]

if only aerosmith wasn't lowkey kinda creepy :(

[hard wolf]

servers

[earnest condor]

Are capped at 4 people unless the devs changed something?

[hard wolf]

I'm unaware of the server constraints :/

[woeful jewel]

THERE'S LARGER ONES?

[warped crane]

large ones what

[earnest condor]

No.

[woeful jewel]

THE DUBIOUS ARMADILLOS

[warped crane]

the hogs?

[woeful jewel]

yes that

[warped crane]

there are various sizes of hogs

[earnest condor]

Heh, wait till you meet the nuclear ones 😄

[warped crane]

hogs, big hogs, radioactive hogs

[woeful jewel]

that one was real hostile

[warped crane]

those have way too high hp

[woeful jewel]

i was running from those little spider creatures

[warped crane]

they're basically hulk hogs

[latent crane]

@warped crane yeah figured that out not too long ago lol

[woeful jewel]

and went right into the feller

[warped crane]

oh the cats? yeah the cats are the worst

[earnest condor]

?
Turbo Ammo go brrrr.

[warped crane]

yeah let me just pull my turbo ammo out oh wait

[hard wolf]

rad hogs are most efficiently dispatched with a jetpack and homing ammo imo

[restive umbra]

#dedicated-servers message

[warped crane]

nuke nob is pretty quick too

[earnest condor]

Most quickly goes to Turbo Ammo.

[warped crane]

fight fire with fire

[earnest condor]

Homing Ammo has the lowest damage in the game.

[warped crane]

but it has the highest homing

[hard wolf]

if all rounds hit, it's on par with base ammo

[earnest condor]

If all rounds hit, it still does the lowest damage of any rifle ammo.
There is no way around that 😄

[warped crane]

mini nukes tho

[woeful jewel]

are there batteries?

[earnest condor]

Yes. What do you want to use them for?

[woeful jewel]

power storag

[earnest condor]

Why would you need to store power?

[woeful jewel]

good question

[earnest condor]

Also Batteries don't do that. They are an item/vehicle fuel.

There are Power Storages that do what you want, but they are purely a decorative item if you are building power properly. 🤷‍♂️

And Batteries are kind of useless after the addition of Rocket Fuel..

[hard wolf]

between damage per shot, magazine size, and rate of fire, DPS is close, before factoring factoring in reload frequency. at that point, if you land enough shots per clip with homing ammo vs base that it's higher output dps, homing is better on average. ranged critters being fairly stationary does make a huge case for turbo ammo, though, but before unlocking that I would rather rush homing ammo than use base

at that point I'd rather use the rebar gun >w<

[earnest condor]

Counterpoint: How many things die in less than 1 clip of base Rifle Ammo due to the damage per shot.

75 damage per clip vs. 60

[latent prawn]

i don't find the rifle with any ammo particularly effective against anything but the hatchers

[hard wolf]

counterpoint to your counterpoint: a lot of this is probably very personal as I'm trying to not take any damage at all. also fluffy tailed hogs and small spitters also die in less than 1 clip of homing ammo. rad hogs are 3 or 4, and tier 2 and 3 stingers move around enough that I'd rather have the homing ammo

[latent prawn]

sometimes i'll snipe something from far away, in which case the regular ammo or turbo is preferable

[earnest condor]

I will agree that base vs. Homing is definitely personal preference.

Turbo is my love though.

[hard wolf]

what's your frame of reference? nobelisks can atomize a lot of things but I don't want to damage the environment

[earnest condor]

Being the ammo that can kill nukehogs in 1 clip 😄

Turbo is also insane when fighting multiple enemies.

[latent prawn]

my yardstick is something needs to die quicker than with normal rebar in the rebar gun for it to be better than normal ammo in the rebar gun 🙂

[earnest condor]

Turbo is also the only one that can kill just normal Alpha Hogs in 1 clip.

[hard wolf]

I'm definitely going to start making it (it's been an optional thing as a "just in case" option to add to my unfinished depot mall, but I've seen the light of "rad hogs stand still if you're not touching the ground" x3)

also, nuke rebar when?

[latent prawn]

my usual tactic with the rad hogs is gas nobelisks early and then reign fire from a jetpack hover with ex-rebar when i've unlocked those

[earnest condor]

Not really needed unless they make creatures take radiation damage.

[hard wolf]

I can't logic my way through making it higher damage without making it a bigger explosion :c

[earnest condor]

I'd want more single-target damage with a DoT tbh.

[hard wolf]

tbf, everything that isn't a rad hog would take radiation damage, so they could simplify things by adding radiation damage and making rad hogs take none

[earnest condor]

Some things would just die from being spawned next to uranium rocks though.

[hard wolf]

environmental vs manufactured and give anything that spawns next to uranium rocks a 100% resistance to environmental (redundant as they can just not code in the environmental part) and 50% resistance to manufactured? or just add irradiated variants of everything? :3c

[earnest condor]

Or just add Bleed damage to Iron and Shatter Rebar 😏

[hard wolf]

this is making me want to learn unreal inside and out just so that I can apply for a job at CSS and suggest these things 😭

also all of this extra stuff would have to be done in a way where people who just want the factory part can proceed as before, and those who want nuanced mechanics can make use of them. they can't change the game in a way that makes it so that it's unplayable without all of these extra mechanics that can be unnecessarily complicated for the majority :/

it's not impossible, though >w<

[glacial totem]

Is there a quick way to see a list of all the alt recipes I've unlocked? I thought this would be in "hard drive library" but that is blank

[hard wolf]

press O

[glacial totem]

and click on each entry? ok if that's the easiest way

[hard wolf]

there's not a good list, unfortunately :/

[unique vortex]

Just got into tier 9, which ficsit recipe should i use? Iron bars? Aluminum? Caterium?

[summer fossil]

So what happened to the Satisfactory VCs?

[hard wolf]

iron imo. it's the most plentiful

[unique vortex]

ty

[hard wolf]

ofc ^-^

[fossil agate]

So if an constructor crafts at 15 a min then one smelter can handle 2 constructors since a smelter does 30 a min right?

[desert ermine]

just divide the output of your smelters by the input of your constructors.

[abstract heron]

is this okay peeps 19,644 hrs on record and yes i am working on it

to 20k hrs

[twin parcel]

which wall is the best ? ficsit , concrete or steeL?

and why?

[restive umbra]

that's like asking which color is the best

[hard wolf]

coated concrete (I know that's not a thing yet and it's absence is the only thing holding coated concrete foundations back)

[silver pulsar]

Just use concrete pillars as walls, problem solved...

[twin parcel]

walls bro , not foundations

[hard wolf]

I was talking about coated concrete walls

[twin parcel]

yea , colours on concrete walls are not the same as ficsit walls , and thats why im asking .

[restive umbra]

reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it

[twin parcel]

im ur average jjk fans

#screenshots message

which transportation u guys use for both of these recipes? trains, trucks or drones?

[hard wolf]

inputs for far stuff: trains
inputs for close-ish stuff: trucks
outputting 30 crystal oscillators/m to another factory: drones if it's far, and either drones or trucks if it's close

[spare prism]

Yo yo yo

It's ya Boi rider

[dense violet]

a recipe on it's own doesn't require specific vehicles, thats a bad question

[twin parcel]

uh , which settings involves with the reflection of glass frames? the reflective effect is glitching .

[worn oar]

They should add more nodes/denser nodes

[latent prawn]

would be nice to have some sort of endgame keep-building reward like that

[dense violet]

there's already more resources than you can physically use , wtf would that do?

[worn oar]

Allow more factories

[dense violet]

your computer will catch fire before you can use all the current resources on the map - clearly articulate what more nodes would do

[hard wolf]

using 2100 uranium ore/m eats up a lot of them, then there's the depot mall and the fuel plant for all the vehicles, and then the BWD factory to grind out coupons for the trophies post endgame. you can definitely use all the nodes if you build big enough

[dense violet]

it barely uses any of them.
AND AGAIN - your computer cannot handle al lthe current nodes on the map

[hard wolf]

balogna

[dense violet]

🙄

[hard wolf]

you can definitely use all of the resources, whether you're trying hard enough, or you just build that way

[spice patio]

You can, but your FPS will be measured in seconds per frame.

[worn oar]

Not with overclocking and building in multiple locations

And also my computer has never had a problem with this game unless I used extreme mods such as compact machines and infinite DD

[hard wolf]

proof? :3c

[worn oar]

YMMV

[dense violet]

I doubt even that. They made optimisations in 1.0 but they also doubled the resources and added an extra tier of processing

[spice patio]

Extrapolation from performance and CPU & RAM usage of various extremely large saves on various computers.
That even with AM5 X3D CPU and spread out production (which only saves on near sphere calculations when in a factory and eases building etc. near that factory), you get into major CPU related performance issues even with 64+GB of RAM before properly using majority of the resources on the map.

[abstract heron]

my world current is at the stage 17kGB or 19kGB

[hard wolf]

do you have a research article or reputable YT video you can refer me to?

[sterile blade]

Look up any "big builder"? XD
Blandrew is probably a good start

[latent prawn]

kGB?

[toxic lichen]

how does one workout
whether a train can and cant supply a factory fast enough e'-e'
to like
keep running
no stops

or are stops just expected

[abstract heron]

its a big world i am nearly going to sleep

[dense violet]

there's equations on the wiki

but you can also time the trip and see if the platform will fill too much by the time the train gets back

[toxic lichen]

ah i see
i thought as much

[dense violet]

for example if you're moving ore that stacks to 100 there's 32 slots so 3200 per trip.

so if you're filling 400pm that's 8 minutes you can go
of course there's a bit more to it, like your max belt speed

[toxic lichen]

so if a factory consumes like
lets see
1k/min

train takes 6min to make a round trip

train needs to hit it with like 6k within that time

[abstract heron]

I am also hoping with 1.2 that FPS can help with my world and such

[dense violet]

yup.
good rule of thumb is 1 belt per platform. Though that breaks down with mk6 belts a bit since it fills so fast

and try to put dedicated belts feeding each platform, manifolding it can be a bit weird and more annoying on the other end

[toxic lichen]

yea i have a friend on my ass to work around trains
but
i dont quite trust trains fully yet

[dense violet]

as long as you build them right they work

[abstract heron]

btw i reached 5,800hrs on my world and i just notice i have to redo alimium

[latent prawn]

often for rates in the quadruple digits, I find that i'll have to break what i'm shipping into 2 freight cars and parallelize it

[toxic lichen]

it just works out better imo
to make the steel on site
as opposed to a train supplying the iron ingots

since theres 2 coal nodes and iron nodes underneath my platform

[abstract heron]

or aleast take a other look at aluminium

[dense violet]

you can get away with tons of logistics if you plan around local resources it's true. Especially with alt recipes

[toxic lichen]

with mk4 belts
im able to push out 1440 steel ingots/min there
So why waste whats rightt there

[dense violet]

sure, building on location can simplify things a lot

you can make high tier items on location too with proper planning

like super computers

[toxic lichen]

thats the way me and the first friend started it
he brought in his gf who has more time in the game
and gets on my ass about trains

[dense violet]

let her do the trains if that's what she wants 😛

[toxic lichen]

give credit where its due
She has taught me some good things

but if im producing what i consider a basic resource
imma do it with whats local and right there

[latent prawn]

yeah, making steel where it is convenient to do so is often a good plan

[toxic lichen]

friend also just managed to make an massive platform over the nodes in the earlier days of the run
may as well use whats been built

its that like
mildly radioactive pit in the desert

[latent prawn]

i find it useful for steel to figure out what products you'll end up making from the steel rather than just looking at ingot or pipe count

[toxic lichen]

we have all the numbers of what we need of each thing to get to phase 4

now its just about getting all those things in the right quantities

[glacial totem]

So what's the point of the screen Hard Drive Library then? I can't search, there's no info on there at all

[toxic lichen]

there will be
when you scan the mfs

[latent prawn]

yeah, for me, having just slogged through building the stuff from steel that i need, it was 2 big steel builds - one for hmf's and the other for stators

[abstract heron]

Cause of irl heat for today and tmr no satisfactory for me

[glacial totem]

I've got to be 25 HDD scans deep by now. Blank screen.

[toxic lichen]

have you selected their recipes?

if you did they dont show up anymore

[glacial totem]

I have about 25 alt recipes under my belt

[abstract heron]

Anyone want 28c today or 2c tmr

[toxic lichen]

so you selected them
So they wont be there

[glacial totem]

so it's like a temp screen?

[abstract heron]

28c Monday 29 Tuesday

[glacial totem]

until you select your choice?

[toxic lichen]

not really

you build up the scans so you can avoid getting a "bad" alt recipe

you dont have to pick
you can just choose not to

[dense violet]

the only recipes you see in the mam are the ones you haven't picked from yet

[toxic lichen]

and theyll stay in that screen

[glacial totem]

but I thought you weren't allowed to scan a new drive until you've picked your prize

[toxic lichen]

otherwise your alt recipes will show up in the machine that makes it

[dense violet]

that's pre 1.0

[glacial totem]

oh man

I've picked some duds

[dense violet]

they all have their uses

[abstract heron]

What version u playing atm

[dense violet]

up to you to use them for it

[toxic lichen]

wet concrete my beloved

[glacial totem]

Latest full release

[toxic lichen]

1.1

[latent prawn]

i've found that the fluid trucks really give wet concrete a buf

[toxic lichen]

im in experimental
having a blast

[toxic lichen]

i used wet concrete to mitigate my aluminium factory from stopping

[abstract heron]

Btw is this god enough 19,647 hrs on record and 5,800hrs in my world atm

[dense violet]

... just reuse it?

much simpler

[toxic lichen]

yea but my brain doesnt compute

so i just go with the simpler solution for me

[latent prawn]

for that, i'd rather tap a coal node and use it in generators

[abstract heron]

Coffee time or sleep time

[toxic lichen]

nah i just been dropped too many times on my head

[dense violet]

how is bringing in more materials for processing and having more water and pipes 'simpler' ?

[abstract heron]

Did good @glacial totem

[toxic lichen]

my brain works in mysterious ways

[abstract heron]

@toxic lichen

[toxic lichen]

sir
i have like
250 hours on steam e'-e'
me no big numbers man yet

[abstract heron]

I only take summer or irl heat off

[glacial totem]

I called in sick today, and have played for 10 hours. That's probably the most I've done in one sitting

but otherwise I'm still at about 70hrs

[abstract heron]

Me biggest is about 19hrs all day

[toxic lichen]

a lot of my time goes into making my build look half decent

[latent prawn]

this game consumes your life if you let it, lol

[abstract heron]

I think and then 15hrs now ish

[glacial totem]

Yeah, my gf is a bit concerned

I think my boss should be too

[abstract heron]

Still working on 20k hrs

[abstract heron]

I do turn off my game in summer and when irl heat does come in to hot to play

[glacial totem]

just get a fan bro

[abstract heron]

I do and still to hot

I have as I said 5,800hr world

This is a cool day great game you’ll have a beat in heater

[glacial totem]

The hottest my office gets is about 25C
I'm not converting that to freedom units sorry

[toxic lichen]

25C is pretty manageable

[abstract heron]

For me about 29c or 30c to hot for me to play with out having a oven

[toxic lichen]

30C in a room that seems to suck heat in

gets very toasty

[abstract heron]

Yes so I don’t play in summer or on hot irl days like today o have to find something cooler to play

[latent prawn]

yeah, where i have my rig gets pretty warm in the day.

[abstract heron]

Sometimes I wish the devs did a memory update or a way to make the game cooler

[glacial totem]

My GPU sits at about 50C peak playing this game

Autumn here though

[abstract heron]

U Australia

[glacial totem]

close!

[abstract heron]

New zeland

It’s 3:16am for me

[rigid wedge]

in summer I always lock my fps to 60 and use framegen

i cant tell the difference and its producing less heat

[toxic lichen]

im on a laptop

i just create a miniature sun in my room and call it a day

[rigid wedge]

tho the ingame framegen makes it feel like everything has a huge delay

[ivory bluff]

When placing pipeline pumps, I saw that there was an "automatic" placement proposal roughly at the 20m mark (the pump I want to place automatically aligns to it). Can I safely assume I can just place pumps where the game recommends me and that liquids will flow optimally?

[latent prawn]

usually, yeah, though once in a blue moon you either don't get the guide, it's hidden or calculated a hair off from where it needs to be

protip: pumps will snap to walls and the sides of foundations

[toxic lichen]

they will?

[cursive crane]

I dont trust it lol. I always measure with foundations and go one meter below max

[toxic lichen]

i put my ear to the pipe and let it tell me where it needs the pump

[ivory bluff]

I was confused because the first pump said that it was pumping liquids up to 22m instead of the 20m recommended, after I placed the second one where the guide showed me to place it, hence my confusion.

[latent prawn]

very easy to place a pump every 6 foundations to get 48 meters

[rigid wedge]

I just put multiple ones because I think they look cool

[ivory bluff]

I even have a warning message.

[cursive crane]

I just put a pump every 2m. Cant lose headlift if its always maxed out
Pipeline ❌
Pumpline ✅

[latent prawn]

yeah, sometimes they'll work when they're over their max, but you gotta watch them to see if they sputter

after enough times having pipes do the wrong thing, you start developing habits like placing pumps before running the pipe to them.

it's always a bit of voodoo to me

[toxic lichen]

with the blueprint makers

when you place foundations in em
last i heard they dont really
Work?
or was that just with machines placed on them in the bp maker

[latent prawn]

idk what you're referring to. bp's in general work fine

[toxic lichen]

like
when i first started playing

apparently if you built a foundation then a machine on it in the bp maker
the foundation sorta just
wouldnt be there

[latent prawn]

i've found a few bugs with them

like if you have a partial lift segment and splice on a vertical splitter/merger, the entire thing doesn't want to work

i've not really noticed such things with pipes, however

[toxic lichen]

i havent seen that issue
its the main way my smeltery bp is built and they run no problem

[latent prawn]

i recently ran into an issue with that in a 20 floor highrise i was building

that took a few hrs to correct 🙁

[toxic lichen]

took me 30min digging around in a logistics floor to find out i was feeding a machine 60 screws/min instead of 100

[latent prawn]

yeah, that sounds like operator error

[toxic lichen]

it was

[latent prawn]

for me, it really was a bug with bps

[toxic lichen]

since my reinforced plates which werent too far away needed 60/min
So my brain got stuck on that

or was it 50/min

[latent prawn]

rotors: 50/min, plate: 60/min

[toxic lichen]

rotors 100/min e'-e'

[latent prawn]

ehh, i'm mixing up recipes, rotors are the one that pairs well with cast screw making 50/min

[toxic lichen]

rotors 100 screws/min tho ;-;

[latent prawn]

get better alts

[toxic lichen]

the alt for rotors that uses screws as well is copper rotors which is 195 screws/min

[latent prawn]

yep, works really nice with steel screw belted into a small group of assemblers

[toxic lichen]

yes yes

but you keep saying rotors consume 50/min ;-;

[latent prawn]

195 is 52 in drag

i said that once and then that i was mixing it up with cast screw

[toxic lichen]

huh

its too early for my brain

[latent prawn]

the 100/min that default rotor takes can be fed exactly with 2 cast screw constructors

[toxic lichen]

yur

which i why i had to make like 30 constructors for my smart plate factory ;-;

[latent prawn]

that's why i use copper rotor

[toxic lichen]

mayhaps

but i was too lazy to get a copper line going through that factory

[latent prawn]

yeah, copper rotor is only good once you have a bunch of alts

[toxic lichen]

only alt that factory runs on is cast screws ;-;

which in of itself is a god send when you get it early enough

[latent prawn]

yeah, very good recipe in phase 1, as you continue in the game, the recipe isn't very useful b/c you don't really use screws for much else

[toxic lichen]

yea i wanna get rid of screws if possible
if i have to
ill use steel screws

[normal orbit]

you can get rid of screws

nothing requires them

[latent prawn]

making rotors with steel screw and some recipes to make the sheets cheaper is very nice. much smaller build

does anything use screws besides rips, rotors and hmf's at this point?

[toxic lichen]

some buidlings

[latent prawn]

i guess bolted frame

[normal orbit]

no buildings

[toxic lichen]

like the sink

[latent prawn]

only the kiosk

[normal orbit]

awesome shop is the only one

[toxic lichen]

oh
whoopsie ;-;

[normal orbit]

and you're not building so many of them you need to automate screws for it

[toxic lichen]

my goals are beyond your understanding

[normal orbit]

but yea, you can completly not make screws if you want to. you're only forced to use them in phase 1 until you can unlock steeled rotors in phase 2

[latent prawn]

yeah, it isn't worth even putting screws in your building supply mall. the 500 that a constructor will make from a few beams is all you'll really need in the game unless you're handcrafting hmf's

i find screws much more tolerable now that computers don't need them

probably would have been more balanced if the default computer recipe took some number of rips instead, but the point of that was always to teach you about belt compression

[toxic lichen]

rips?

[normal orbit]

screws are just any other production materials. buts its kinda funny to meme about removing them cause some people here seems to put insane value on them and suggesting you dont need them are taken as a personal insult :p

[latent prawn]

reinforced plate

[toxic lichen]

ohh

[toxic lichen]

they mess with my sushi :<

[latent prawn]

a lot of people just don't get that they're an intermediate and that, yeah, you can have a high screw production rate when you are direct belting and it's just sort of a implementation detail rather than an entire build

like my 240/min rotor factory consumes 4160 screws/min, but really they don't appear on belts for very long

hmmm, found an error on the wiki

says the most efficient way of making screws is steel rod->default screw, but that was written before molded beam was a thing

[normal orbit]

depends on your value of certain materials

if you're just looking at amount of materials, aluminium beam is a 1:1

[twin parcel]

#screenshots message

any ideas ? is there a way to make logistics simpler at a cost of bring more ores?

[compact pewter]

please tell me you put a sink to the dimensional depot

[twin parcel]

thats for super oscillator factory , i nvr connected to them to speed up the modeler calculation

[compact pewter]

ok good, i was worried bc shit is gonna start backing up as soon as the depot is full

[sour cargo]

so, to try to clarify :
blue crater for fuel > power
western beaches for oil > items (plastic/rubber/...)
spire coast ... ?

or am i misunderstanding something?

[jaunty jewel]

build where you want and where theres resources you want to use 👍

[hard wolf]

I just harp on the blue crater being really good for power & packaged fuel production bc it has everything for fuel really close. the western beach is good for production, but if you need really high output before you get the pressurizer, you probably want the spire coast

[sour cargo]

hmm ... so leave spire coast open for now ... seems like aa plan to me lol

[reef basin]

it's possible, but there's no reason to do so

[toxic lichen]

If I can avoid them, without much effort imma do it

[empty bridge]

Hi All. Can someone check my maths please. I'm planning to start Phase 4 where I need 500 x Assembly Director Systems. Am I right in thinking that I need in total 104,000 Quickwire?

[reef basin]

imo it's more effor to avoid them than to use them

[toxic lichen]

500x whatever the thing needs it to make

So you need 208? Per I’m assuming

[empty bridge]

it says 208 units per minute but I'm trying to work out how much I need for 500 units

[toxic lichen]

How many does the recipe make per minute

If it’s 1 per minute
Then yes you need 104000

[empty bridge]

with 3.47 constructors it will make 208 per min

but I plan on only one constructor

[toxic lichen]

No no, how many of that end product

[empty bridge]

sorry I'm confused

[toxic lichen]

The uhm ADS

How many does a machine make per minute

Just 1?

[empty bridge]

yes

[toxic lichen]

Then you need 104,000 quick wire in total

There is also satisfactory production planners you can find

I know greeny made? One iirc

[empty bridge]

Really sorry but I find all this very confusing. The online calculators ask me to type in a product and the number per minute I want to make. If I change the number of units per minute to say 0.25 I get completely different numbers

[toxic lichen]

That sounds about right

The end product per minute will change all the numbers

If you changed it to 2 it would double all the numbers preceding it

[empty bridge]

why do they use per minute. surely the total number required of each product (no matter where it is in the production chain) would be better?

[toxic lichen]

Because the game uses per minute

Because most things are needed to make other things
So youd have entire production lines

[empty bridge]

ok. thanks for your help

[twin parcel]

yes , thats where fused quickwire come in clutch but they consume more copper though .

[gloomy tusk]

Guys

1 month 13 days

@ornate saffron

[deep dust]

No

[ivory bluff]

Hmmm... I have a bug: apparently "DockingStations" stay on the map if created through blueprints. It's... annoying to say the least and explain why I have issues with those on my compass, as they won't disappear. Is there any way to remove them permanently? (see in #screenshots )

[twin parcel]

what if jetpacks burns plutonium rods?

[unkempt blade]

Interesting. Do those stick around if you restart your game client and server if you're using a dedicated?

[ivory bluff]

They stick around when I restart my game yeah.
I'll run some tests to see if I can remove the extra stations manually (since it's impossible to do so on the map).

[unkempt blade]

if someone reported it on http://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ you might be able to find a workaround in their ticket

[thick cave]

Hi

[ivory bluff]

It seems to be a known issue, sadly.
I removed the stations: they stay on the map. However, saving and then reloading seem to make them disappear for good.
But, yeah, no more stations through blueprints... Which sucks, honestly.

[unkempt blade]

Yeah unremovable clutter would be annoying. I like using the map

[ivory bluff]

Same here.

Thank you for pointing me towards http://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ . Much appreciated!

[rough crest]

guys i just did my math for my new aluminum factory and basically 15 refineries of aluminum scrap are going to feed 9 refineries of sloppy alumina (1800 water with 3 pipes so for example a pipe is connecting 5 aluminum scrap refineries into 3 sloppy alumina at perfect 600 water for tube) but i still have to get the "initial water" to kickstart the system right? so im pumping it externally but my question is when do i unplug

i have never tried to feed a separate set of sloppy alumina refineries always recycled in the same tube

[unkempt blade]

it sounds like you could basically wait for the refineries to back up from the output water then unplug the extractors

[rough crest]

sounds good

[rough crest]

i posted a question if you want to have a look at the image

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1505890481492594688

im going to bring coal and bauxite now and test the whole thing

also im using sinks right now for the scrap to simulate 100% uptime but there shouldnt be problems later if it works with this setup and the uptime is not 100% correct? cause if the main product stops being produced so does the byproduct water

[unkempt blade]

as long as the recipes you'd replace the sink with are using all the output it should work the same

just overflow sink the final output so it doesn't back up assuming all the other math is good for the chain

[rough crest]

so you say that if i drop 100% uptime it stops

[unkempt blade]

probably not stop entirely but definitely not work at full speed

[rough crest]

y who knows what will happen is too complicated anyways i can always restart it with the local extractors until all other factories that depend on this are built

[unkempt blade]

if the math is good and you overflow sink the final products you should have constant production/consumption rates

[rough crest]

ill let you know if it works im plugging stuff

[mortal coyote]

So I unlocked rocket fuel. And now I need to construct a whopping 134 fuel generators lmao

[twin parcel]

those are rookie numbers , there are people who likes place 400+ gens (overclocked)

[dense violet]

go nuclear instead and you can put down 14 for the same power

[mortal coyote]

yeah but I need plutonium so I don't have to deal with waste and that's too far away

besides 134 generators sounds like fun

[dense violet]

just store it, very easy

[mortal coyote]

I just need to find a big enough spot

Don't you need 9000 water extractors for nuclear?

[dense violet]

make multiple floors, infinite space anywhere

[fluid sapphire]

1200

[dense violet]

not really. 2 per reactor works. Just build it over water

[twin parcel]

40 overclocked water extractors for 10 uranium rods/min

if not overclocked , its 100 water extractors.

[deep dust]

what about underclocked

[normal orbit]

each reactor uses 240 water/min at 100%, adjust accordingly with over or underclocks

[mortal coyote]

Damn why is sulfur so rare? Compacted coal is basically the bottleneck for my rocket fuel

[dense violet]

there's tons on the map for the actual uses for it

[mortal coyote]

Well not in the middle where I am

[dense violet]

the game forces you to expand to find locations suitable for what you want to do

[fluid sapphire]

by the time you are making rocket fuel shouldnt be such a shock :p

[twin parcel]

dam , im having hard time increasing my factory efficiencies

[reef basin]

you didn't build it at 100% from start?

[twin parcel]

rn everything runs at 77% , well i did build 100% from the start , multiple black outs that i fixed overtime led to running on lower efficiency .

i dont know how long it will take to bump those number to atleast 90%

[unkempt blade]

yeah a large manifold can take a while to saturate and then there's going to be a simillar wait for each step of the production chain

I'd just go explore a bit or work on another build and come back in an hour or whatever and see if more of the factory is full efficiency

[frozen ingot]

i tend to prefill manifolds if i can

like if it's for smelting or something i'll build the miner and a storage container first and generally by the time i've finished it, i've got enough ore or whatever to prefill

or just build it in such a way, and in a logical order, that it's less of an issue

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I'd agree that's the easiest way to see if it actually runs correctly or not. I build first step => last step and turn each stop on as soon as I can so it starts making items

[frozen ingot]

yeah all the more reason to start with raw materials first and build 'up'

[unkempt blade]

But if there's been some number of power outages like they were talking about it's hard to know how that might have impacted the saturation. Could depend on how they fixed it, etc.

so for them I think the laziest way is stabilize power then just let the factory run for a bit then see if it still needs any more specific attention

[frozen ingot]

how can power loss reduce efficiency? 🤔

[dense violet]

delicate systems if interupted can perma stutter

[twin parcel]

very common on phase 4 space elevator parts mega factory

[frozen ingot]

delicate? perma stutter? wut 😄

this explains nothing, please elaborate 😄

[dense violet]

some fluids systems can be built so that if you interupt them they'll slosh and stutter

[unkempt blade]

as an example I've disconnected parts of a factory to restore power in the short term and depending on what I disconnected it could mess with saturation, etc.

[twin parcel]

well its take times for the lower tier production factories to make items for higher tier production factories , some items are produced very fast but now fully clogged cuz the other itmes takes longer time to produce

[unkempt blade]

shouldn't be "clogged" for much time at all unless you're producing more than you're consuming

[frozen ingot]

is that not more of a fluid slosh thing, then?

[unkempt blade]

and if you're overproducing use an overflow sink on those factory outputs

[grim ermine]

What does a constructor do

[frozen ingot]

destroys things

[reef basin]

constructs things

[twin parcel]

to test that theory , i built sink everywhere , managed to increase a small amount of efficiency .

[dense violet]

no? if you build it right and NOT delicate it'll just start up again

[worn oar]

Just found out something amusing, though a bit cheaty. It's possible to charge power storage while they are still inside a blueprint designer and save their charge. So theoretically, you could make fast enough production of all power storage items and just keep printing more power storages to drain instead of creating an actual power grid. And then reclaim them when they are empty.

[dense violet]

there are however less reliable ways of doing fluids

[frozen ingot]

that's what i mean, so it's a fluid sloshing issue and not a power loss/stutter issue?

[unkempt blade]

if you're sinking and still not at 100% it's either an issue with math or with how you built it

[frozen ingot]

lke building a looped manifold to reduce sloshing or something

[dense violet]

no, because if you b uild it right, it'll start back up when power is fine

[frozen ingot]

i'm just trying to udnerstand how power loss can cause any kind of efficiency issue

[dense violet]

that's a 'you decided to make an unreliable system that can just die if it ever ever stops'

[dense violet]

if a system is delicate it can not restart properly if power goes off.

[twin parcel]

most probably the way i built it , shouldnt have manifold the low throughput items

[frozen ingot]

and what's an example of a delicate system in this game?

[dense violet]

I've tried saying this in several ways. Is there somethign specific you're not understanding?

[dense violet]

mixing fresh and waste waters for example

[frozen ingot]

i do that for bauxite now and have zero issues 😄

[dense violet]

"if a system is delicate it can not restart properly if power goes off."

are you just not reading what I write?

[frozen ingot]

friend said something about the distance of pipe for the fresh input vs waste input matters

[worn oar]

Nuclear

[dense violet]

that really doesn't have anythign to do with it

[twin parcel]

aluminium plant , uranium plant , dark matter residue byproduct from quantum encoders .

[frozen ingot]

i read what you wrote and then i responded 😛

[frozen ingot]

yeah i've not tested it. think they did it years ago so it might have been an old issue

[dense violet]

and you responded as if you hadn't read what I wrote.
sure you can not have a problem with it, but if you direct feed waste into fresh and the power goes off, or even if you look at it wrong, it can perma lock up

[frozen ingot]

yeah in fairness i'm pretty good at not tripping my grid

i might have to test this 🤔

[dense violet]

or just build not delicate systems

[frozen ingot]

for a long time i never mixed waste/fresh water but i figured out a system for it a while ago and it has revolutionised my bauxite game 😄

and it's perfectly stable and some people don't believe me

[twin parcel]

or just build big ass power storage so u have 6 hours to debug ur issues .

[frozen ingot]

maybe this is the difference/issue

[unkempt blade]

I know how to handle the liquid feedback stuff and I still frequently choose to just turn it into wet concrete instead 😆

[dense violet]

there's tons of unreliable methods out there yes.
'unreliable' doesn't mean can't work. Just is unreliable

[twin parcel]

i just use waste water to burn more coal gens .

or use pure recipes and sink the ingots

[frozen ingot]

and yet i rely on mine 😛

perhaps better described more as 'vulnerable to x' rather than unreliable, but i'm probably being pedantic 😊

[unkempt blade]

imo people should use more factory carts to increase reliability

[twin parcel]

now is at 87% efficiency , it will take a while i guess

[restive umbra]

Not uncommon on this discord

:p

[worn oar]

What's the best drone fuel and why is it plutonium fuel rods?

[restive umbra]

liquid biofuel because ||[REDACTED]||

[reef basin]

none and no

[twin parcel]

1 plutonium rods == 100 drone trips .

the cons , all factories that uses drones are radioactive

[normal orbit]

cuz for some people the only way to play is their way, or they living 5 years in the past where things worked diffrently. Theres a multitude of diffrent ways to, reliably, achieve same result.

[frozen ingot]

for sure, it's one of the best things about the game 😄

[restive umbra]

There are still people out there that think the factory cart is pointless which makes me laugh

[reef basin]

the problem is that fluids are very prone to small changes causing big problems. So even something like pipe in a different shape or height or maybe even build order can cause setup to work differently. Hence why we try to recommend systems that work fine no matter what. I'm not saying other ways cannot work, but I see no reason to even mention them to people who are asking to help, as that'll most likely lead to them builidng a broken setup

[earnest condor]

I have one rule.
Well that's the rule you'll have to break to know the truth.
Which is?
That the only sensible way to play a video game is however you, personally, feel like playing it.

🦇 🤡

[frozen ingot]

so what am I missing here? what's the consensus for recommending something?

[worn oar]

Barely, and by the point you can use drones just set up a single iodine filter DD

[whole robin]

I had a dream where i was using so much more power than i was making that i had gone through several percent of my 32 fully charged power storages in a matter of seconds

[twin parcel]

1. turbo fuel , the same line u can use resins to make empty canisters

2. rocket fuel if u already made too much rocket for jetpack . also no radiation

3. plutonium rods , if u already build a non waste nuclear plant , might as well use the rods . cons? radiation .

[reef basin]

I personally recommend setups that have smallest chance to break and/or be built wrongly

[worn oar]

It will be in 1.2

[reef basin]

so f.e. for the alu processing, not merging fresh and byproduct water

[frozen ingot]

i was just mentioning what i've been doing lately regarding bauxite, i wouldn't say i was recommending it

and if the issue is that it's vulnerable to not starting back up again properly after power loss, that would explain why i've found it reliable, cos I avoid tripping the grid 😄

[stone python]

That’s the fun part though, making a system that has 100% uptime WHILE recycling the water

[earnest condor]

It's pointless until it is golden 😏

[worn oar]

Wet concrete is a means of disposing water, change my mind

[earnest condor]

FLUID Factory Cart when???

[stone python]

Can’t change a correct opinion

[twin parcel]

no idea why people use ionized fuel , maybe they had decent power shards to spare .

[reef basin]

some people call it fun, other call it "help my alu setup is broken for 50th time please help game sucks I want refund"

[frozen ingot]

yeah i used to do this all the time prior to this method, cos i always need concrete 😄

[normal orbit]

its a power shard sink

[earnest condor]

Best jetpack fuel in the game + infinite power shards?

[reef basin]

why would you waste resources to get rid of water

[worn oar]

Power shards are a waste product of efficient dark matter production. Ionized fuel is the disposal method. Plus of course sharding everything.

It's the ficsonium of piped fuel, not the plutonium of rocket fuel.

[frozen ingot]

it's not wasteful if you're building concrete structures all over the world 😄

[worn oar]

Wet concrete isn't a waste??

[frozen ingot]

although there's that cheap silica recipe 🤔

[earnest condor]

Power Shards are a waste product?????

[reef basin]

at that point you're not using it to sink water, but rather using water to produce something

[twin parcel]

hmm they can just make alien power matrix and get free power

[frozen ingot]

six and two threes? 😄

[reef basin]

if the whole point is to sink the concrete to get rid of water, it is

[earnest condor]

I make Ionized because Power Shards are the intended product.

[worn oar]

There was more to that sentence. You took it out of context to make a point I didn't say. Lol

[dense violet]

and then bitch about fluids being broken

[worn oar]

Oh wow that's crazy I would never sink concrete. I love using it in everything.

[earnest condor]

Let me read ever word of it a third time.

Conclusion: Power Shards are a waste product in any possible line ever?????

[worn oar]

If you need lots of dark matter, yes

But this is really going beyond just finishing the game and into megafactory territory

[earnest condor]

Looks at Dark Matter line.
No waste product detected.
🤷‍♂️

[twin parcel]

eh , it was easy to set up , just build the refineries that produce waste water on a higher ground , boom problem solved .