satisfactory

[zinc solar]

oh my I had no idea

[static iron]

Fair, just need a good spot to do it

[zinc solar]

thank you

[marble notch]

np!

i got confused with power towers when i first used them

[white dawn]

And of course just a suggestion! Lots of ways to play

[rich harbor]

So i just started with phase 4 and aluminium rq question do i need alot of it later then i'd make it rather bigger yk

[static iron]

I wonder if there someone who has playedthrought satisfactory only using bio fuel

[swift cave]

wooo 12/m mod engines activated 😎

[rigid mist]

is it possible to edit a game save (i made my recipe cost 2x and i regret it)

[swift cave]

yes just upload your save to satisfactory-calculator, hit options, then redownload the save into the same location

[honest nimbus]

anyone to help me? idk how to put trails without putting foundations below..

is there a way to do without putting foundations?

[swift cave]

trails? rails? truck paths?

[rigid mist]

thanks

[honest nimbus]

railroad track

[restive umbra]

I think I’ll build a factory

[mint cradle]

i just wanna make the basics and produce modular engines since i already did the adaptive control units but having those too would be nice

[mint cradle]

Yknow what for my dune desert base imma build on the waterfall cliff area

[static iron]

I think 75 turbo fuel per min should be able to support 10 fuel gens

[swift cave]

you can build a blueprint which has some tracks on top of some pillars. then you can use that blueprint in "autoconnect" mode and it will help you not have to place as many foundations

[quick hound]

So explain why my 165 degree bended upward pipe won’t pipe my oil?

[static iron]

There was abit of an issue were the last 2-4 fuel gen wasnt getting enough turbo fuel but I seems I manage to fix it by just letting the pipes fill up for a little bit

[white dawn]

Full pipes are happy pipes!

[rigid mist]

do fluid train stations gets head lift

[white dawn]

If you're having some flow problems, btw, a #1038092680493801533 post with good pics of the piping situation is generally the best way to get help

[white dawn]

10m, AFAIK, just like every other fluid-producing source

[rigid mist]

alright thanks

[white dawn]

Measured from the center of the output socket, so the one on the top can go slightly higher than the one on the bottom

[karmic veldt]

Do you know the tank headlift exploit ? Here a lot of people told me how crazy I am putting buffer tanks but I was unknowingly using this exploit:
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Head_lift#/media/File:Head_lift_exploit.png

[pallid gazelle]

someone can help me?

[white dawn]

Most of us here actively recommend not using fluid exploits like that, btw. They're not necessary, and they introduce complications which can make future debugging even more difficult

[rigid mist]

interesting

[white dawn]

If you need to pipe liquids higher, just use pumps. Pumps are practically free

[pallid gazelle]

someone can helpme with a question?

[rigid mist]

ask question first

[pallid gazelle]

sorry for bad english, how do i do fabreics like the ones of the start menu in the game.

[rigid mist]

?

what do you mean

[pallid gazelle]

look MD

[rigid mist]

???

[pallid gazelle]

Look DM

[karmic veldt]

and @quick hound
"Pipeline Pumps, if used in large quantities, can be a burden to the power grid, thus an innovative solution is highly desirable to minimize power usage. When multiple fluid sources with different head lifts are connected to a single or multiple pipelines, the highest head lift among them will be applied to the entire connected pipe network. This head lift sharing effect makes head lift exploits possible. By using a water tower with zero output, free-energy lifting can be achieved. "

All the pipes will then share the head lift from the water tower. Enjoy the free-energy fluid lifts !
Read this: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Head_lift#Exploits

[quick hound]

Jokes on you, my power grid is basically non-existent max.

I get a burst of 500 GW every 10 minutes, then everything dies 2 mins later

[karmic veldt]

A mad scientist Somewhere is trying to wake Frankenstein

And use all the power from your grid

Just search him and kill him

[rigid mist]

fulgora

[quick hound]

The fuck does that mean?

[rigid mist]

factorio space age planet
all your electricity comes from lightning strikes at night
so you get like 250 mw of power at night and then nothing during the day

[white dawn]

The power usage of pumps is often overstated, indeed! Obvs whoever wrote that is a fan of the exploity behavior.

[karmic veldt]

That's a "perhaps in the future..." supposition, the headlift exploit has never been fixed and his a bug known since at least 2022, maybe even before

[white dawn]

But how many people really want to rely on a glitch which could go away with any update that tweaks fluid behavior?

Especially when pumps are practically free

[karmic veldt]

I think any update on liquids behavior will have an impact on everyone including exploit free systems

and that is maybe why devs are likely to think "don't touch this, it works ok".

[white dawn]

The point is they're not going to "touch" it specifically because it's not intended behavior

[karmic veldt]

I am not concerned as I use pumps AND tanks anyway, pumps solve headlift but that doesnt mean stable flowrate

[white dawn]

If they do touch fluids, it's going to be something that can get broken and they'll never even notice

[karmic veldt]

I use tank to have then a stable flowrate

[white dawn]

Anyway, you are off course free to keep recommending water towers, but you'll find a lot more people here will continue recommending against them whenever they're mentioned. :)

[white dawn]

I seem to think that we've had this conversation before but: buffers do nothing to solve throughput problems. You can, certainly, have stable flow with buffers in your system, but it's not because of the buffers, it's in spite of them. :)

[karmic veldt]

If the flow filling the tank is not stable but is always superior as the flow needed after the tanks, I should not have troughput problems

i'm specificaly talking about stability, not flow needed

[white dawn]

If that is the case, the buffet will slowly empty, and then you'll have your throughout problems after the buffer too

Buffers don't solve throughput problems, they store them for later

[karmic veldt]

??? my tanks are not meant to create "more flow" but to stabilize it ?

I think you missed my point, stable flow is not more flow out than in

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, I did misunderstand you. But the buffer is still not necessary. If throughout in is sufficient, then it would be sufficient for whatever is being fed, too

[abstract heron]

is this to much 😛

19,545 hrs on record

[white dawn]

See: every single fluid system working perfectly which doesn't have buffers. :)

[mint cradle]

still dont know what to build in dune desert for my new base

[white dawn]

Again, I believe you that you've got working/stable systems which have buffers. That is definitely possible. But they are never necessary. (Unless you have a fluid Freight platform for trains)

[abstract heron]

is this to much?

[dense violet]

More buffer shenanigans?
My fluid sense was tingling

[white dawn]

Started off with Water Tower shenanigans and has evolved!

[dense violet]

If at all possible do NOT interconnect all your pipe systems

Pumps are basically free and if your power grid can’t handle a few more your real issue is your power station

Keep your pipes simple for a happy life

[rigid mist]

i am currently building a 272 gw rocket fuel power plant so i think i'm fine

*281

[mint cradle]

anyone got any adivce for making a dune desert base

[rigid mist]

water

[karmic veldt]

Not if you have a unconstant flow, some of my pump do behave like this and no not provide constant flow sometimes you have 500, sometimes 200, let's say the mean flow is about 400 and you need a mean of 350, then I need at least a constant flowrate of 350, this is this situation only that a buffer is capable of solving. Every other problem won't be solved by a buffer

[karmic veldt]

yes it was originaly about the headlift tower exploit @dense violet

[dense violet]

The only time you should have real inconsistent flow is trains.

Are you using this for train platforms?

[karmic veldt]

No, only stages of a factory that does not perceive sufficiant consistant flows

[dense violet]

Then it’s your pipe layout causing your issues

Buffers don’t fix flow issues, they only store them for later

Or do nothing

[white dawn]

Yeah, the better thing to solve, IMO, would be the inconsistent flow. If it's so inconsistent that the variations aren't smoothed out by the pipes themselves, it feels like there's some other problem going on

[karmic veldt]

I KNOW pumps are supposed to give a constant flow. But for a reason it sometimes does not happen

[dense violet]

Layout

The internal buffers of machines and pipes themselves are more than enough to manage flow if you build it right

[karmic veldt]

Surely, but I left my system running for a full day and night and i works consistently, so it is fixed to my eyes, if a stupid fix works then it's not stupid even if there is a more clever fix

"Better" is the enemy of "good"

[dense violet]

Buffers either do nothing or cause problems

Usually it’s either you didn’t leave it on long enough for it to stabilise your system or in building the buffer you fixed a borked junction

Same thing as taking a placebo for a cold and feeling better after a week

The placebo did sweet fuck all and then time happened

[white dawn]

To be clear: I'm not trying to say that the way you've built your factory (buffers / water tower and all!) is bad or that you shouldn't have done it. You've got a way of buliding it which works for you, and that's good!

But as advice for other folks, I'll continue to argue against both buffers and water towers, because simplicity is always best for folks working through their understanding of pipes

[karmic veldt]

Yes you're trying to tell me not to advice this to other

[jovial beacon]

Hey quick question guys I just got to nuclear power and my power production is jumping up and down a lot have I done something wrong?

[dense violet]

The point is to remove false beliefs in what is actually happening

If you stick a buffer in your line abd put a powered pump going into snd then out of it, you pretty much remove the failure point

But it also doesn’t do anything for you

[white dawn]

Not at all - I'm just saying that when you suggest those things, if I'm around and see it and feel like engaging, I will step in to suggest the opposite. :)

Good thing we're not all alike, etc! :D

[karmic veldt]

Life would be a boredome

[jovial beacon]

Oop figured it out, my water consumption is way higher than expected

[white dawn]

The "someone is wrong on the internet!" pull is difficult to resist in venues like this. :D

[karmic veldt]

Always

I'm the same but I had to refrain to

[mint cradle]

ok i have an idea for the build of dune desert

roads connecting multipe buildings each producing their own thing

then sent to central storage or trains

[karmic veldt]

Because it affected my mental health to always put energy into proving my point

But it applies mostly on social networks (facebook, x, reddit mostly)

[hollow dune]

ive been re working on the coal factory for 3 days and now everything is back with power

[jovial beacon]

Gosh my pc is a actual heater rn I think it’s time for the pioneer to take a break💔

[lapis knot]

It's a really good game to play in the winter!

Meanwhile the summer 💀

[jovial beacon]

Literally no game stresses my pc out this much😭

[quick hound]

[jovial beacon]

I just barely got to nuclear too I can’t even imagine what’s gonna happen if I finish up phase 4😭

[quick hound]

You help save all the puppies.

[lapis knot]

I heard new weather is coming in 1.2 so maybe it will finally rain kittens and puppies

[white dawn]

Vaguely a spoiler, I guess, but: Phase 5 is actually a bit of a breather complexity-wise. P4 is Peak Complexity. So it'll hopefully not be too bad for ya. :)

[quick hound]

He’s lying. It’s getting way harder. Prepare for hours spent in sleepless nights optimizing things.

[jovial beacon]

Actually now that I think abt it I think stellaris late game has pretty rough performance too so maybe this isn’t the only game

[white dawn]

The stuff you build will often require those P4 parts, of course, but there's also only one tier in there, so it's more of a chance to sit back a little bit and just have fun with it. :)

[jovial beacon]

In theory crafting factories at work I think I’m already too far gone😭

[quick hound]

You will never recover.

Your soul and mind are now property of FICSIT

[lapis knot]

Bro really goes to work to make factories then comes back and relaxes by making factories

[white dawn]

(And there are some fun new production loops and such to figure out! But P4 is peak complexity for sure)

[jovial beacon]

Finish the 9-5 to come home and play a whole other 9-5🥲

[lapis knot]

A true ficsit pioneer

[quick hound]

IT THE BAGUETTE MAN! RUN!!!!

[karmic veldt]

I used to play euro truck simulator, and I am an itinérant assembly wiring and maintenance technician

[jovial beacon]

I think the only thing that vaguely gives me a headache is when the numbers are in different sets and now I gotta actually do the math instead of mentally mapping it out

[karmic veldt]

I also know there are a lot of trucker that plays euro truck simulator while taking the mandatory break each 4h30 of driving

[jovial beacon]

Like how caterium is 45-10 instead of 30-30 and 15-30 everything else does

[quick hound]

You can do something much better. It’s called brute forcing it.

[jovial beacon]

But the overflow kills me and I need everything that’s made to be used somewhere in someway

I can sink extra stuff but it’ll bother me if it’s possible to recycle it in better spots

[karmic veldt]

You're so obscessed with my baguette

[quick hound]

If you want your factory to run at peak efficiency, like me, you’ll need to do this one thing. Have a power grid that produces 500gw in bursts, the fuze blows 2 minutes later then the entire grid restarts 8 minutes later. That’s peak efficiency.

[jovial beacon]

I’m surprised that one bot account isn’t here talking to himself again

[jovial beacon]

See I placed about 800 power storages and I sadly fear that soon they’ll be more decorative than helpful

[karmic veldt]

Put a 500gw battery pack

Energy tank ftw

[quick hound]

Extra power? The only extra power I need comes from my backup generator, that’s started by another backup generator, that’s started by a biofuel generator.

[jovial beacon]

And to think there are mods to make the game more complex 😭

Is there even an actual purpose to biofuel?😭

[quick hound]

Ruining the planet and horribly and irreversibly changing the face of the planet forever.

[karmic veldt]

I have 3000mw

[jovial beacon]

Like seriously I totally get cashing all in on automated fuel production by why any kind of fuel that’d require human intervention

[karmic veldt]

Wait u meant 800mw or 800 units ?

[jovial beacon]

I’m already sold building Amazon wareshouses over the entirety of the ecosystem you don’t need to convince me beyond that man

[jovial beacon]

800 individual power storages

[hollow dune]

a hot pc is a cats favorite thing. my cat always hops on top of my pc

[karmic veldt]

So 800 000mw ??

[lapis knot]

Finally killed the whale thing stuck in my elevator

[quick hound]

Mmmm.. cooked cat

[jovial beacon]

Idk the numbers I’d have to open the game again to check!

[hollow dune]

i cant take him off when he gets on it cause he will swing at me so i just accept it

[karmic veldt]

A power storage unit is 100mw

[hollow dune]

burnt loaf

[jovial beacon]

It’s a 5x5 grid of power storages stacked 4 high to make 100 and there’s 8 of them

[quick hound]

Have a fan blowing directly on that spot to annoy the shit outta him

[hollow dune]

last time i did that he hissed at me LMAO

he hates that so much

[quick hound]

Yeah! F*ck you cat! You keep overheating my PC!

[jovial beacon]

So 8k?

[keen comet]

im getting a ucrtbase crash every time i try to load this game

[jovial beacon]

That’s like the output of like 40 coal gens

[hollow dune]

one time my pc got so hot the red light on my motherboard lit up and my heart sank

[jovial beacon]

That’s terribly inefficient

[karmic veldt]

80 000w* I really said 800 000 ?

[quick hound]

I mean, if you won’t eat the loaf, I will.

[karmic veldt]

Oh yeah I did.
Yeah 800 power storage unit would be 80 000w

[keen comet]

please does anyone know how to fix this?

[quick hound]

Cry yourself to sleep. And ask in questions and help.

[hollow dune]

i cannot eat the loaf because i like to loaf with the loaf

[quick hound]

Check DMs in a sec

[keen comet]

damn. well thanks for the redirect

[mint cradle]

is turbo heavy fuel good if i got the heavy oil residue recipe

[hollow dune]

that was funny

im going to tell oreo now

[rigid mist]

my street lights for my battery tower take almost a gigawatt

[lapis knot]

Use the big brain "turning signs into lights" strategy

It's free real estate energy

[hollow dune]

i think in a month i will complete phase 3 because i wanna rebuild my current mega factory

[earnest condor]

Inb4 update that makes only low-emissive signs free, all other cost 100 MW 😏

[lapis knot]

💀

Don't even say that

[earnest condor]

INB4 UPDATE THAT MAKES ONLY LOW-EMISSIVE SIGNS FREE, ALL OTHERS COST 100 MW

😏😉😛💛

[lapis knot]

🪦

🥀

[ivory condor]

INB4 update that makes signs to expensive to use

[flint phoenix]

Signs each require 1MW for lighting

[lapis knot]

If they do that, even just for an April fools joke, I'm blaming both of you two

[honest nimbus]

how do i load up my train?

[mint cradle]

uh if i already have the heavy oil residue recipe should i just take turbo heavy fuel

[wild mural]

is doubling every oil product i make a good idea

[earnest condor]

Good is a point of view, Anakin.

[wild mural]

uh

[mint cradle]

hot take lotr is better than the og star wars trilogy

[wild mural]

hot take innout is just as good as raising canes

[mint cradle]

never had in and out before

[thick cave]

I love declaring war on the local ecosystem

[uneven epoch]

Should I be concerned about spoiling anything with late game screenshots in the screenshots channel?

[thick cave]

You could always add a spoiler warning

[earnest condor]

Nope.

[unkempt blade]

it's ok everyone already knows that ||Bruce Willis was actually a ghost the whole time||

[limpid inlet]

I made my first 100% uptime factory segment

[unkempt blade]

excellent! now try for a 200% uptime factory next

[elder shoal]

the part where your conveyors can go underground is wild

[lethal citrus]

goddam nuclear plower plants are grindy, ive slaved away for three days doing crafts subcrafts, transportation, logistics, and after 3 days of work and I finally place the plants ready to receive fuel I realize I still need water

[mossy moon]

I'd be surprised if I got that far in 3 days. It took over a week, maybe two weeks to build the plant

[elder shoal]

i can't even figure out how to get coal 1,000m away below a mountain

[jovial beacon]

i spent like all day today putting everything together to barely power 22 power plants 😭

[earnest condor]

I'm assuming RD, so I have to ask why you need to move it?

[unkempt blade]

why don't you like factory games?

[limpid inlet]

I think I fucked up with a manifold system

[hollow dune]

its finals week but all i care about is my factory

[faint willow]

Anyone got any recommendations for how to build support structures? I've got a floating tunnel design I'm using but I wanna make it look like it's actually being held up by support beams. Both the metal and concrete support beams look terrible to me, though.

[earnest condor]

Frames.

[white dawn]

How so? You can post pictures in #1038092680493801533 or #design-and-architecture; might help to have screenshots (remember you can detach the camera while in photo mode to get nice overhead shots)

[limpid inlet]

Okay I figured it out, it was doing manifold things but because it was at full 100% it wasnt actually capping spots in a reasonable time

so one slot would just never get enough

so I stuffed it all with a full stack of item and it works now

[faint willow]

As much as I like my floating tunnel thing I'm realizing a major issue in that belt lifts actively hinder ore mobility.

[limpid inlet]

they do?

[faint willow]

From what I'm watching them do, yes.

[marble notch]

wdym?

lifts have the same throughput as belts

[faint willow]

...I'm gonna tweak. Forget I said anything. I wasn't paying attention.

[marble notch]

no worries it happens to the best of us lol

[faint willow]

Like, I swear to god, I was upgrading my belts ages ago, and it literally said Mk 3 belt lift so I assumed it got upgraded already

Nope, still stuck at Mk 2s

[marble notch]

ah classic missed belt upgrade

[faint willow]

It's been like this for four hours

[marble notch]

yup, hope it wasnt feeding anything toooo important

on the bright side you probably won't make that mistake next time you build a nuclear power plant

[faint willow]

Double iron node for all my reinforced plate and rotor prod, was having throughput concerns

Was sitting there for a bit like "Huh, must be really eating through it" but I've been so focused on construction and IRL stuff that I didn't think too much about it

[marble notch]

better to get in the habit of checking that stuff before it can cause a meltdown that takes 20 hours to fix!

missing out on early rotor production sucks though

[faint willow]

Yeah, I'm also back and forth with my other iron node trying to get steel production up

[versed mesa]

👋

Hello all

I miss playing the game i cant wait for the update to drop and mods to get updated for it

How you all been?

[willow pond]

you scared me for a second. i thought i was in another game's discord & almost reported you for being an obvious bot 🤣

[versed mesa]

Wtf 😂

[willow pond]

that game has no mods and nobody looks forward to the next update

[versed mesa]

Am not shit ass bot 😂

[willow pond]

oh def not

if that post showed up over in that discord i think the mods there would insta-quarantine

but yes, def looking forward to 1.2

[versed mesa]

Not 1.2 whike on experimental but am waiting for it to please on Stable branch and mods will get updated eventually when it does drop

[willow pond]

if it doesn't completely bork my save

yea, best part about game mods: yay new & unique stuff
worst part: crap, gotta wait for compatibility

[versed mesa]

Yeah mods adds alot of different varieties compared to gane vanilla so its really nice to have more options to build with

[willow pond]

i've played around a bit with SF mods, but nothing compares to how heavily my KSP game is modded

[versed mesa]

Whats ksp

[worn oar]

Katisfactory Plus

[willow pond]

kerbal space program

think Minions+NASA

[versed mesa]

Nit heard of it

[willow pond]

has probably one of the most accurate physics engine of any game

0.01mm up to interplanetary

[versed mesa]

I love Minions charaters I need them to be my real life friends lmfao

[worn oar]

You are definitely sane

[willow pond]

🤣

friends=nonreliance. now, family would be a problem

[versed mesa]

Facts its just they funny and they be awesome to have around alot

[worn oar]

*a lot

[willow pond]

just keep anything that goes boom away from them

[versed mesa]

Facts lmfao

[willow pond]

but yea my ksp save fully loads my gpu's vram

[versed mesa]

Let's stick to Satisfactory only now

[willow pond]

🤣

eh, that's not too bad for me at the moment, only like 10gb usage

i did spend 500hrs clearing the entire map of foliage

[versed mesa]

Since am here in Satisfactory discord I only currently care for Satisfactory 😂

[restive umbra]

I'm making a normal amount of aluminum

[versed mesa]

Nah thats to normal try going for an insane amount 😂

[restive umbra]

I'm just a normal guy what can I say

[willow pond]

when you start churning out stuff for mk5 belts is such a nice moment

[versed mesa]

You and me both 😂

[restive umbra]

I'm just trying to sprint to mk6

[willow pond]

i'm being insane this save & trying to migrate all pure nodes to the middle

[restive umbra]

that's very silly

[willow pond]

yup

doing it to melt my system

would love to see what SF looks like when run on that 192 core threadripper

[versed mesa]

When you get to higher level belts they are crazy insane compared with what you start out with 😂

[versed mesa]

Don't over pull your back 😂

[versed mesa]

Woah

Wish I could match up am using Rog Ally Z1 😂

[willow pond]

oh i don't have one 🤣 not about to spend car levels of cash on a system

i'm more than spoiled with a 9800X3D/4090

[versed mesa]

👍

[willow pond]

just checked amazon, that thing's $12k

[versed mesa]

One day my pc just stopped booting up after I went to update the windows

[willow pond]

oh that's always fun

[versed mesa]

Rip

[versed mesa]

In thats pc ive got a nice 2080 ti

[willow pond]

still a decent gpu

[versed mesa]

With a nice amount of ram

[versed mesa]

Yeah I wish someone could have look at my pc for me

[willow pond]

ssd with a fresh windows install might resurrect it

[versed mesa]

Not l9ng ago I bought open work bench so I can't get motherboard on it to test it more and try do on board reset apparently trying with straight screw driver with a 2 pin thing on the board

[willow pond]

they do make little 2 pin button switches for that to make it a little easier

[versed mesa]

You think when I was trying to load up and nothing was happening I tried the taking power cord out and keeping hold of the power button for so long and connect up again and I managed to get it to load up but it took some time but after doing that testing it stopped loading up and I get motherboard error code on it

[willow pond]

it's possible that the power disruption during an update borked the install

might not have destroyed data, just being able to access it

[limpid inlet]

i think im stuck between a rock and a hard place 😭 I cannot make enough resources for 100% uptime versatile frameworks with 120 iron ingots a minute at this moment

[versed mesa]

Yeah apparently i was told to try do reset with some pins on board but told ne to look at the manual first to see what todo for resetting

[willow pond]

we play SF very differently, because i'll just set something up & go to sleep while it works 🤣

[versed mesa]

Apparently the code error is trying to refer to someone todo with usb bus or something

[limpid inlet]

honestly based

[versed mesa]

@willow pond running a gaming pc is super expensive in the UK take alot of electric 😢

[willow pond]

not for me, i have my cpu in eco mode & my gpu capped at 175W

[versed mesa]

Woah electric through the roof for you then what a waste 😂

[versed mesa]

Nah at that point they are defo hungry for power 😂

[willow pond]

what i do is i turn all the graphics down to min, then minimize it. windows throws it in a corner & it's like 30W usage

[versed mesa]

Damn

[willow pond]

cpu could do 160W if i let it, and gpu could do 600W

i'd say ~260W ain't that bad in comparison

but i'm also cheating because my area's on nuclear

[versed mesa]

Where you live ?

[willow pond]

i'll give you a hint: it was 42C today

[versed mesa]

Middle East

[willow pond]

right lattitude, wrong hemisphere

[versed mesa]

Africa

[willow pond]

further west

[versed mesa]

Just tell me am from UK

[willow pond]

🤣

USA, southwest

[versed mesa]

@willow pond Rio

@willow pond south America like Mexico

[willow pond]

used to be

[versed mesa]

Chile

[willow pond]

i said it

[versed mesa]

@willow pond well ain't electric real cheap there compared to UK

[willow pond]

bonk

[versed mesa]

I need to run of solar already but hard because of where I live i am in a flat and others are in the building

[willow pond]

yea, hard to pull off in that kind of place

[versed mesa]

Exactly

[willow pond]

shaded parking would be a nice spot for it

[versed mesa]

Its housing association

[willow pond]

ah

almost as bad as historical

[versed mesa]

I dont get it

[willow pond]

out here we put shading over outdoor parking, and then we plunk solar panels on top of it

[versed mesa]

Ok cool

[willow pond]

was thinking if your area had a row of parking in front of it, that'd be a perfect spot for panels

[versed mesa]

Apparently UK supermarkets are going to start selling plug in solar panels like at lidl

[willow pond]

love it

make it cheaper than fencing 🤣

[versed mesa]

Dude where i live out side there is car park but people have there cars there

[versed mesa]

Lol

[willow pond]

i'm definitely biased tho. got an EV

[versed mesa]

@willow pond they should make brick into solar material so its abit of both brick and solar lol

[willow pond]

ooooh i like that

[versed mesa]

Nah thats cool EV is the the way

[willow pond]

it's way too much fun to drive. and it's not a tesla, & doesn't look like an EV unless you look closely at it and notice that the plugin is on the front fender

[versed mesa]

That would only way to by pass that fir housing association properties flats i think

[willow pond]

i know some companies make solar roof tiles, that might be able to sneak past if they look good enough

[versed mesa]

I bet its Chinese EV lol

[willow pond]

lol nope, those are banned here

there's an EU version of it tho

Opel Ampera-e

[versed mesa]

Elon company does

[willow pond]

here it's the Chevrolet Bolt

[willow pond]

true, but i think some others have started doing them too

[versed mesa]

Yeah am thinking from Chile and watching a stream that I seen they showed chinese EV

[versed mesa]

Yeah they all start getting in on it lol

[willow pond]

🤣 yea, US still blocking them for some reason

[versed mesa]

They are

[willow pond]

i have seen some good things about BYD

[versed mesa]

Yeah this is Chinese EV brand

[willow pond]

i'd love to see the US crash test the models

[keen comet]

I just had to force DX11

[versed mesa]

Why

[keen comet]

I mean it was crashing before it could even load

[willow pond]

chinese car safety in a crash has always been the thing that's scared americans away from buying them

[versed mesa]

Sad

[keen comet]

Then i forced dx11 and it loaded just fine

[willow pond]

that's weird

[versed mesa]

Cool

[versed mesa]

Lol

@willow pond but China is ahead with Technology

We all need tobe equal friends i think

[willow pond]

yea but the horror stories & videos of chinese copies of american/EU cars and their abysmal crash test ratings

[versed mesa]

😂

[willow pond]

A pillars that just bend and snap like twigs

[sour mulch]

Satisfactory

[versed mesa]

Yes Satisfactory

[willow pond]

i have missed having rain in the game

the real question: will we get zapped if we walk on railroads in the rain

[hollow mountain]

I made my first big aluminum factory... 1200 aluminum ingots

[versed mesa]

Ive got to still witness this yet lol

[willow pond]

i can't remember why they got rid of it

it looked amazing

[versed mesa]

That would be crazy 😂

[versed mesa]

They needed to do work more with it

[wild mural]

is there daisy chaining in 1.2 exp?

[versed mesa]

Good job friend

[sour mulch]

I drive a steel cube from 1993 with power windows and no airbags, my crash safety is keeping my eyes on the road

[versed mesa]

Apparently so

[wild mural]

hmm

[sour mulch]

One way to find out

[wild mural]

if i get a daisy chain mod and then 1.2 comes out, could i remove the mod and still have the machines chained together? hypotheically

[versed mesa]

@wild mural idk tbh lol

[ornate saffron]

Aw yes, the back when a head on crash would result in decapitation

[ornate saffron]

It likely will never get another update. The mod i mean.

[sour mulch]

A little bit more than that lol but yeah

[versed mesa]

If the mod is still needed then they mite still update it to work with 1.2

[wild mural]

how do i convert my world to 1.2 exp

[ornate saffron]

First back up your save

Second modes worrying work

Third explanation is in #patch-notes

[versed mesa]

You got to type something into Beta section like Experimental or something

Ill stick with stable

1.2 should be dropping soon onto stable branch

[latent prawn]

if using steam, right click on the game title in satisfactory, open the properties window for it, go to the 'game versions & betas' tab, and choose 'experimental'. after that, you'll need to download the new version (steam should kind of just do that). as others have said, back up your save beforehand in case bad stuff happens (unlikely).

[willow pond]

suggestion for 1.3: collab with beam.NG and have the vehicles fly apart in a wreck

[earnest condor]

Huh?

[willow pond]

or at least have some creative crunch physics 🤣

[willow pond]

it's a kinda sandbox driving game with hyperrealistic physics

[earnest condor]

What LLM datacenter supercomputer are you running that is going to handle "hyperrealistic physics" while also tracking all factory cycles without any lag? 😭

[willow pond]

🤣

GeForce Now?

[earnest condor]

You do you I guess.

[willow pond]

it's just funny to me that they'll do trains flying off the tracks, but not other kinds of wreck stuff

[earnest condor]

I mean, making giant rectangles fall is not complicated.

[hard wolf]

yet. there's still time

[willow pond]

my old days of seeing dumb crap when offroading may influence my in-game desires

[latent prawn]

the devs have time allocated for side-projects where they do stuff like make the train collisions look good. when someone wants to do something like that, cool, but there has to be someone that feels like doing that as a side project instead of global illumination, reworking vehicle paths, etc

[willow pond]

oh i know it'll never happen, it's way too niche

plus i'd rather have more "stuff"

[latent prawn]

plus vehicles don't collide anymore

[quick hound]

Well if you don’t make your game crash by sending 500 trains into a pit, then you ain’t doing trains right.

[willow pond]

oh i'm pretty sure SF is partially responsible for melting one of my cheapo laptops

[quick hound]

I have the perfect gif for this occasion and I CANT FUCKING USE IT

[willow pond]

yea, kinda wish that we could post gifs in this channel, but i understand why it's not allowed

[tropic nest]

hello, kinda new player but I played lot of factorio

Would yall say its better to mass produce basic stuff (plates, reinforced plates, rotors,...) in a single place and belt it from there, or build it on site when needed

Im kinda experimenting with both currently and honestly either feels like they suck lol

[dense violet]

throw away most of what you know from factorio
treat the milestones like a tutorial
just automate things and learn 🙂

the phases are basically just ther eto teach you what you need to get to more of a sand box game

[tropic nest]

Its really difficult to do that haha, factorio wired my brain in a way I dont like, still cant get used to only having 1 input/output for each resource

[tropic nest]

youre definitely right there, but I like to plan things ahead

[dense violet]

most of the tactics in factorio are way more work for not benefit in this game
like 'main buses'

[quick hound]

I can help. It’s called brute forcing everything. It’ll all workout.

[tropic nest]

altrough from what I seen on YT looks like the "correct way" is to build a starter and eventually build the main base when you unlock everything

[dense violet]

you're going to finish the game in 1 of 2 ways

a) you'll finish the phases and decide thats the end of the game
meaning nothing you build now will matter

or

b) you move to a sand box game wher everything you've built won't mesh with your personal projects except to provide basic parts to build things with

either way how you get there doesn' tmatter

[twin parcel]

bro , thats constructors , assembler has two solid inputs , refinery has 1 solid and 1 fluid input and 1 solid 1 fluid output , manufracturer has 4 solid inputs and 1 solid output .

[dense violet]

trying to future proof will just waste tons of your time

[quick hound]

Hey cobalt, how do you feel about me having my entire power grid shut down every 10 minutes, turn on for 2 minutes to produce around 500gw, then shut down again. It’s peak efficiency, no?

[tropic nest]

I meant like, if 1 belt can only hold 60 per minute and the miner produces 120, I cant just load it on 2 belts like in factorio

[tropic nest]

I like that haha, ty, Ill probably go with option a then, since me and my friends started a new run so I wanna learn before playing with them more

[twin parcel]

yeap , most people make small blueprints that consume around 60/min , 120/min , 240/min 480/min ,then spam blueprints at tier 4 .

[tropic nest]

exactly, Im not used to having stuff all over the place which is honestly the worst problem currently

[tropic nest]

I see

so in that case this thing I built is useless for expandibility

let me post it in screenshots

[low ingot]

anyone else have a issue where it constantly is crashing on startup?

[tropic nest]

#screenshots message

[dense violet]

the game forces yo uto spread out in any case

and your needs are going to constantly change

[quick hound]

You never responded to my inquiry about my factory.

[dense violet]

I did 😛

[quick hound]

What do you mean it’s not peak efficiency??

I have a backup generator, and then a backup generator to power the first backup generator, and then the second backup generator is powered by biofuel.

Ignore the literal mountain of blown fuses.. please..

It’s running at peak efficiency.

[latent prawn]

its a decent starting build, for sure. really don't stress too much about the intro builds. later as you unlock recipes, and specifically the foundry recipes, you get a lot more production out of the same raw resources and that's when thing's stop being like 'baby's first factory'

[tropic nest]

Ty haha, what do you mean by foundry? are there any alt recipes that let me make plates and stuff from steel?

[quick hound]

So what’s your opinion on my peak efficiency power grid?

[latent prawn]

to chime in on your original question, i've always liked, in just about every factory game, boiling stuff down as much as possible on-site before shipping it to cut down on volumes

[dense violet]

👎

[quick hound]

Can you answer for real please lol

[latent prawn]

there's an alt that takes a iron & a steel ingot and makes 3 plates

[dense violet]

I dont know what you want if your power grid keeps crashing xD
how good is a car whose engine explodes every 10 min?

[latent prawn]

(honestly not a great alt compared to the other plate alt)

[quick hound]

I don’t see anything wrong. I just have to spent 50 million coupons on brand new fuses every 40 days.

[tropic nest]

ohh I see

alright then, that...changes a lot haha

I should stop trying to plan everything for the future now then

and really gotta look for more alt recipes, I got the one that makes screws from iron ingots and even that is so good

[quick hound]

How do you feel about my factory that produces 1 computer every 5 hours? It’s running at the fastest it possibly can.

[latent prawn]

right, build what you need when you need it and be unafraid of deleting & rebuilding

save the analysis paralysis for phase 4 🙂

[dense violet]

if that's all you need that's fine?

[latent prawn]

i don't really find that i'm laying anything permanent down in the game progression until around phase 3

[quick hound]

Dear god no. I need it to produce 20 computers every minute for my other factories.

[dense violet]

better make a bigger one then

[quick hound]

But that takes so much math

Uuuughhhh

[dense violet]

then you don't need it that much

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=OXOrZf0lIDlEMiv6juYT

[tropic nest]

is that when you unlock computers

I remember that broke me on my first playtrough and I never got past it

[quick hound]

BRAIN HURT

[latent prawn]

nah, that's phase 3. computers have a couple of alts that simplify the process, in addition, the base recipe no longer takes screws which was a big stumbling block for many players

some people never quite get the concept of moving low volume things that make high volume things

[covert belfry]

i made a tractor to move iron 6 feet!

[latent prawn]

good job?

[covert belfry]

i wonder if i could get satisfactory running on a 4 bit system

[tropic nest]

oh so theres something even worse 😭

I didnt know about the screws, I think my main issue was plastics but hopefully thatll make it easier

[glacial totem]

Alright so I have 6 fuel generators now
But the output is fluctuating. You told me not to use buffers. Was I supposed to let the generators fully full up with fuel before turning them on?

[tropic nest]

another win for train enjoyers

[limpid inlet]

in numbers, how much harder is phase 5 over phase 2?

[glacial totem]

I think the answer here is yes

problem solved

[marble notch]

what numbers are you asking for?

[limpid inlet]

like 2xharder, 100x harder

[marble notch]

the required complexity of factories and amount of production scales pretty fast, i wouldn't say the game gets harder so much as it gets bigger

but aluminum, quartz, and nuclear fuel are real complexity jumps

anything with byproducts tends to be

[limpid inlet]

Hmm... Sounds painful, but I think I can handle it. Thank you

[marble notch]

well ideally it'll be fun and not painful! the game is pretty good at easing you into it. just remember it's a sandbox game and you can always tear down and rebuild

[limpid inlet]

true

[cursive topaz]

tell me im not the only one who thinks the game needs some optimizations when you get later into the game, the frame drop can get wild

[tropic nest]

whos gonna tell him

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[cursive topaz]

tell me what

[latent prawn]

phase 5 is really not that bad if you've been building factory for things as you go. more what phase 5 is about is using a lot of power and doing some problem solving around dark matter residue as a byproduct. what is kind of tricky is that if you've been doing the minimum in automation, the new machines in phase 5 take parts like turbomotors and supercomputers to make and if you don't have those things automated, it can be grindy to automate those things just so you can build

i'd argue that aluminum is probably the most complex process in the game

you might argue that nuclear or quartz purification are equally as bad, idk

[ivory bluff]

Hello,
Are there enough hard drives for all alternative recipes in the game?

[cursive topaz]

more than actually

[ivory bluff]

Tyvm!

I'm redoing my Motors factory... Forgot I had Steel Screws... Yeaaaaaah, that's gonna save a lot of space.

I really should go on a hard drive hunt tbh...

[latent prawn]

not only are there enough drives in the world to get every recipe, but in phase 4, extra drives are sold in the awesome shop for a modest 100 tickets

[normal trench]

Hey, why does my deleted resources only go into one box? I have one with thousands of materials, or honestly like a hundred thousand, cause it only goes into that single one

There are so many materials in there

All of the wire and plates and rods i would need in an entire playthrough

[latent prawn]

in the olden days, each time you deleted stuff when your inventory was full, it would create a new box. cleaning them all up was a real hassle

[reef basin]

that's to tell you to not delete things

[normal trench]

The thing is, It’s supposed to go into one thats like 100 m away, and Ive deleted things farther from the box then that, but no new boxes

[latent prawn]

finding the ones buried in the middle of a bunch of factory kinda sucked

[somber shard]

Is there any setup to make supercomputers without absurd amounts of oil?

[latent prawn]

well, you can figure out which recipe chain takes the least, but typically what you want to do is toss a lot of oil at such things to drive down the other resources

[somber shard]

Aw man alright ig I just hate dealing with fluids

They never really work when you try to load balance imo

[reef basin]

you can make them completely without oil

though you're still dealing with fluids (water) that way

[latent prawn]

having just looked, there is a way to make them w/o oil, but it requires you to make a lot of oscillators using the default recipe

[reef basin]

that's the thing - you cannot (and shouldn't) load balance fluids

[somber shard]

But how else should I be doing it then?

[reef basin]

manifold

[latent prawn]

shove the fluid in a pipe, connect pipe to machines

[reef basin]

--+--+--+--+--+
  |  |  |  |  |

[somber shard]

That works better?

[latent prawn]

^^^

[reef basin]

that works

[somber shard]

Doesnt make sense but alright

[reef basin]

why not? works for items, works for fluids

[latent prawn]

pipes are bi-directional. fluids and gases always flow to the lowest emptiest section

[latent prawn]

its how the water flowing into your home comes off of the mainline. same thing.

[somber shard]

Huh I suppose so never thought about that

[reef basin]

(fyi manifolds also work for items, you don't really need to balance in Satisfactory)

[hard wolf]

logistics 😭

[zenith pecan]

I mostly balance radiation hazards, it keeps the death zones in check by not building up vast piles of material in machine buffers.

You can see the effect here #design-and-architecture message , me landing directly onto a manufacturer taking in uranium ore to produce cells.

[lavish echo]

God

I think im experiencing the real aspect of rebuilding in satisfactory for the first time in my 250 hours

[hard wolf]

imo it's absolutely necesary to load balance radioactive material so that it builds up as little as possible

[zenith pecan]

I know the feeling, I nuked everything in the dunes then spent a couple of weeks building crazy.

[lavish echo]

I built a new train line all the way around the edge of the map - some parts in that ascend very high and just got the idea to add fucking conveyors on thesecond floor of my train line instead of 2 more trains and now I have to go back through - delete re add everysingle thing

[zenith pecan]

Zero radiation in an 800m by 450m facility by radiation balancing #design-and-architecture message , note, it is not necessary, you can just elect to use a radiation suit and iodine filters, I just cut radiation as part of the challenge.

[reef basin]

not at all. If you don't build it in the middle of your main hub, but reasonably above an ocean (you want the water anyway), the radiation won't reach much

[zenith pecan]

Even better now you can always have stacks of the filters uploaded into a depot, you never get the rad-haz deaths again.

[reef basin]

if you can get a new stack from depot in 12+ seconds once the last one runs out 😄

[zenith pecan]

Well yeah, if you manage to croak due to radiation with the parts being right there, then that's your fault 😜

[hard wolf]

I want everything to be accesible as possible and, as an at least ex factory worker, want to flex my OSHA mindset and make everything as safe as possible. I can't build out of the way if out of the way means inaccessible, and building a structure that takes forever to get to in order to to access it factors in to accessibility. therefore (by my standards) it's better to build an accessible structure with minimal radiation than it is to build an inaccessible structure with more than minimal radiation. this definitely links back to my message about idiosyncracy in my builds methods, but doesn't necessarily invalidate them xwx

this includes not being able to use the portals, tubes, and elevators in the event of a blackout

[reef basin]

for sure, but "want" is different from "need" 🙂 (which was my point)

[zenith pecan]

I get it, that's why I build stuff that is pretty radiation free, #design-and-architecture message this is a more conventional example, stairs to get between levels, railings and hazard markings near moving bits and drops etc.

[hard wolf]

and I need a way to access it if all else fails, and quickly at that, which means I need a footpath that works

[reef basin]

I mean footpath that works is a different thing that's not related to radiation (as depots work without power, so you can always get filters)

as for accessibility, you can easily have trains/vehicles/tubes/whatever running on a separate grid e.g. powered by geothermal

[zenith pecan]

I even managed a way to walk down into my tunnel network 🤣

Literal on foot access to the underworld #design-and-architecture message

[hard wolf]

so A) footpath that works doesn't include the OSHA bit
B) any infrastructure related to the plant should be on the same grid as the plant, isolated by priority power switches so that the plant can continue to run even if the rest of the grid crashes, as a best practice sort of thing

[reef basin]

travel infrasctructure can have its own priority power switch group tho

but again, my point was "you don't need to". Of course you can have self-imposed limitations that force you to do it, but that's on you and not in general

[hard wolf]

transport for the power plant would be on the same grid as the power plant. I understand that priority might negate that need, but there are circumstances under which doesn't, and I want to plan ahead and avoid them as much as possible

also @reef basin I hope you read this #satisfactory message. I wouldn't have sent it if I didn't care about you and wasn't willing to bear the brunt of the potential embarrassment for sending it in the first place xwx

bare or bear? 😭

[reef basin]

🐻

[hard wolf]

edited, thank you :3

[reef basin]

oh that wasn't supposed to be a reply to which spelling is right 🤔

but I guess it is bear indeed 🙃

[hard wolf]

I googled it afterwards and found that bear is correct (don't mind me, I wanted to respond quickly :c), but also I don't want to be a sycophant and will 100% tell something if something they're doing is wrong/bad, even to my own detriment xwx

[hollow kernel]

Satisfactory players when they go to a hardware store and see screws:

[hard wolf]

I love screws IRL and used them and a drill to bolt my HOSAS setup to my desk so I could have the experience in Elite Dangerous that I wanted. as for in SF, screws are more the welcome as long as it's more efficient to make them

[compact briar]

so according to my calculations my current oil factory upgraded to diluted fuel into nitro rocket fuel will produce 1800 rocket fuel/m

that’s like 172 fully overcooked generators where the hell am I supposed to fit that

[reef basin]

on the map? it's so huge that you can't run out of space realistically

[hard wolf]

ime 2 fully overclocked pure nodes fed into HOR/diluted/ nitro is enough for 8 600/m pipes of rocket fuel. if you don't have enough space, build up (I have 7 floors for RF generators and the 8th floor makes ionized fuel for jetpacks and sinks any excess)

also RF counts as a gas and doesn't need headlift, so you could build off to the side without issues

[ivory bluff]

I'm spending so much time just doing blueprints. Can't wait for the expanded blueprint area.

[normal trench]

sooo guess who forgot to get cast screws when i made my factoryyy

luckily rolled into it with my hard driveds i got, but i realised i never got it cause i saw it in the options

dude im so lucky

hopefully i get copper rotors, cause imlegit relying on getting it right now

oooh i got steel screws

that could work

[sour cargo]

anyone has recommendations as to what factory to build where? i'm kinda getting lost/overwhelmed by the options/possibilities

[normal trench]

uh what do you need to buid

build

[normal trench]

depends on phase

gold coast is good for oil, the coal lake is great for steel, it really depend

[reef basin]

it's kinda overrated recipe tbh

[normal trench]

well, i just got steel screws

so i might be ok

[sour cargo]

i'm in Tier6, mostly looking at where to setup satellite factories for DD ... and also more "important" factories as well

"gold coast" refer to the north side with lots of oil i'm assuming?

[normal trench]

yeah

they have actual names

[fiery pewter]

I tend to call the oil spot in the west the Gold Coast Isles

Other good spot is Blue Crater Lake

[normal trench]

should i take copper roaters or usebase recipe

[fiery pewter]

The Spire Coast up north is arguably the best

[fiery pewter]

Copper rotors is goated

[sour cargo]

i'm thinking of using this area for "general crafting to DD" as it has most things ... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/592594172741943349/1503320123669348352/image.png

i can get iron, copper, limestone, SAM, caterium, coal ... and even maybe sulfur

[lost oasis]

Im at tier 9 still didnt unlock that one

[reef basin]

the choice is yours

as always, you can get all recipes anyway, so feel free to take whatever you want

[normal trench]

uh, can someone look this through? ive been going for the most optimal and i think this is it, there is copper near me, but id like to avoid using that and do that for electronics over by my caterium

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=sxcEfx4i6u5AyFKCWGgL

i swear this is such a lifesaver

honestly when im free at school ill probably sketch out the most optimal plan

floor plan

[fiery pewter]

I believe greeny made Satisfactory Tooks

[normal trench]

im sorry what

[normal trench]

you did what

[normal trench]

dude, you are awesome, this site is genuinely so cool

[smoky flame]

In Phase 4, what is the ideal production rate goal for each of the four space elevator parts? I keep seeing 4 pm for assembly director system and magnetic field generator, and 1 pm for nuclear pasta and thermal propulsion rocket, is there a consensus?

[fiery pewter]

Mainly whatever suits you

Most is in preperation for phase 5

[normal trench]

im in phase two

i can not help you here

my input was not asked for

[smoky flame]

I want them to roughly finish at the same time, I think I'll go for 4/4/1/1, for some reason I keep seeing this ratio

[normal trench]

mk

u got this

[fiery pewter]

Then do the slowest one first

Finish with the fastest one

[smoky flame]

Oh my production aims to produce all of them at the same time

[fiery pewter]

That, also works

[normal trench]

hey, is it a reasonable thing to make a fully independent modular factory to make all basic resources at phase two in preparation for later phases and everything?

[sour cargo]

yes

[normal trench]

im just scared its using way too much iron

890 a minute

[tall lantern]

there's like 90k iron on the map, you'll be fine

[normal trench]

all of the nodes by me

ok

its not using a single drop of copper though which is fun

[sour cargo]

i have a small blueprint that makes smart plating from just iron. completely fine

[normal trench]

oh i was gonna make a jury rig set up for the project parts

[fiery pewter]

But everything leading up to smart plating is all iron using standard recipes

[normal trench]

considering this factory is all meant to go into my personal stache

i was just gonna jury rig it for now, then make true factories for the parts in phase 3

[dense violet]

seems very reasonable.
steel cast plate saves you a fair bit of iron in exchange for a bit of coal?

[sour cargo]

right, i meant to mention "as few steps as possible" aka cast screws and alts

[normal trench]

ill check it out

[fiery pewter]

See that makes it more logical

[reef basin]

imo it's always reasonable to have factories independent

[fiery pewter]

Dependent factories=logistic networks=throughput hiccups over time

[normal trench]

see the issue is im on console, and these clocks are really weird

i cant get these clocks inputted

[reef basin]

console doesn't allow numeric input? 🤔

[normal trench]

wait i might be able to

[dense violet]

type in the number of items in the output ?

[normal trench]

im dumb

i cant input equations sadly

[sour cargo]

does it not open an on-screen keyboard when you select the field? if so it should let you type whatever

[normal trench]

nah, its just a keypad

i also cant touch the percentage

[reef basin]

well it's slightly better to input direct values over formulas anyway

[normal trench]

yeah, its just sad i cant do that as an option

[sour cargo]

console debuff 🙃

[normal trench]

hey does anyone know when kbm support is coming?

[reef basin]

in 1.2 afaik

[normal trench]

afaik? whats that mean again

mb

[sour cargo]

as far as i know

[normal trench]

ohhh ok

hey @reef basin someone said you made satisfactory tools?

[reef basin]

indeed

[normal trench]

you are incredible

[reef basin]

no, I'm greeny

[normal trench]

lol

im gonna reput my factory link here so i can find it on my phone instead of my computer

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=yJKnqVdji9r4EtsVxnhf

[dense violet]

you could send a msg to yourself >.>

[bold heron]

man that flying manta thing is annoying. of corse the path needs to directly cut through my factory

[normal trench]

you can do what

[dense violet]

various social media platforms - try to send it to yourself, or email or ... literally anything that isn't an infinitely scrolling chat.
hell, make your own server on discord you can store them i na channnel

[normal trench]

oh, yeah duh

i mean i got it saved to my phones satisfactory tools site, so im good but the server concept is genius

[copper laurel]

You can stand on it and pet it, but I'm not sure if you can put a couple stacks of Nobelisks on it and press the detonator

[rigid wedge]

can also upload a few stickers and emotes to ur own server for free

[bold heron]

sadly NO

[copper laurel]

Oh f*** me... I haven't build to it's hight yet but I guess I'll end up there eventually because my Iron Factory is just below it

[bold heron]

seems like i need to alter my build and include a big tunnle it can fly through.

[normal trench]

made a repository server, thanks for the advice on that, thats going to help me so much

[normal trench]

honestly, you could make it look really cool

[normal trench]

gases are fluids

you are thinking of liquids

[dense violet]

gasses actually try to evenly fill sections

[normal trench]

its weird, cause technically liquids and gasses are the same state of matter, but at lower pressures fluids get split into two sections, which are liquids and gases

look at a matter chart, its actually so cool

[hollow dune]

it’s 6am and i haven’t slept yet should i get on

[bold heron]

are your tired ? are u have any important things u need to attend ?

[hollow dune]

i’m having trouble sleeping

[normal trench]

It’s six am, I drank two cups of coffee, and I have to get up for school in 15 minutes

I need another cup

And some ibuprofen

[hollow dune]

i had coffee at 6pm and then i took a nap a little later

[normal trench]

But guess who just spent time in satisfactory figuring out how many tiles constructors, assemblers, smelters and foundries are so while im at school i can plan out my entire factory and balance it

[hollow dune]

factory game

[normal trench]

I have a to-scale key on graph paper

And multiple sheets

[normal trench]

Factory game

[mortal ginkgo]

No.

[reef basin]

fyi you can also export it as a file, which helps when sharing or backing up multiple production lines at the same time

[normal trench]

Oh thank you so much

That’ll help, using a browser is not very easy on a phone

How do I do that

[reef basin]

first "tab" in the list of production tabs is mass export/deletion + import field

[normal trench]

Oh thanks

[restive umbra]

Build factories responsibly

[zenith pecan]

Naa, build them with reckless abandon.

[restive umbra]

Build them with restrained abandon

I built an assembly line underground bc I couldn’t be assed to ship out the raw resources and I gotta say it’s a real vibe

[zenith pecan]

I know well about underground constructs 🤣

My uranium processor looks a little bit industrial and kind of ominous, my largest underground facility to date at 800m by 450m.

[crimson ermine]

there are caves that are that big?

[lost rapids]

👋 Long time no see

[ornate saffron]

Under the map is really just a giant void.

[crimson ermine]

Oh i see, how deep down does the buildable void go?

[ornate saffron]

Really deep.

I dont have a measurement for you

[crimson ermine]

aight, no problem

[dense violet]

you can't actually build that deep w/o dying in the void

[twin helm]

Anyone trynna chill on vc while we play our own games?

[reef basin]

most likely #off-topic-general

[rare egret]

I can't move blueprints into a different category. Q->edit. I drag it but nothing changes.

[dense stump]

did you hit apply after?

not trying to be snarky that is a legit question.

[rare egret]

i drag the blueprint in edit, it doesn't go into a different category in the first place

so nothing to apply

[copper laurel]

Quick and honest question. How many screws will I need in the late game cause I started at north forest and could, in theory, mine 13200 iron ore without much distance and I don't know if I'll ever need all of it for screws

[dense stump]

also i feel like i remember there being some issue i was having a while back when making my blueprint library where if i created a categor ybut no sub categories it didn't work correctly. but it was a while ago and a bit foggy on the details.

depends on what recipies you use

and how big you build

[unkempt blade]

All of them. All the best recipes use screws

[tall lantern]

yeah there are absolutely no universal numbers or even useful ranges that can be given for that sorta question

(and also, often recommended not to try and centralise production of such low-level materials)

[copper laurel]

Let's say Iron Cast Screws and Steel Screws are both viable, size is not an issue

[fluid sapphire]

I think you have to drag it into the giant + sign at the end of the item list in a given categrory

[rare egret]

damn it. it wouldn't go in a category. thanks

but this is the worst UI i've ever seen...

[fluid sapphire]

It does work, its just finicky

[stoic salmon]

ive gotta transfer like 11k materials from one area to another and its pretty far away whats the most efficient for getting 11kper min item transfers

[copper laurel]

I would like to to consult Satisfactory Tools for this question because it would give me a pretty exact number for a certain amount of endproducts but it's always telling me errors when I select Project Assambely Tier 5 parts

[unkempt blade]

5+ factory cart routes

[copper laurel]

A dozen trains I guess

[stoic salmon]

is factory carty trains

[unkempt blade]

no, trains wish they were carts

[stoic salmon]

also how many ficsite trigons should i aim to make per min

[dense stump]

1 million🤔

[tall lantern]

again, no universal numbers available. decide what you need for now, make that

[stoic salmon]

1.33million alluminium per min

[dense violet]

train would probably be convenient, but have you considered making some of the items there and THEN moving it? prob be easier

[limpid steppe]

this truly is a satisfactory

[copper laurel]

Huh... I just figured out a normal or pure iron ore vein squezzed out to the maximum is barely enough for one of each phase 5 component per minute... so this one spot I'm sitting on in North Forest is way more than enough for that

[sleek flower]

@cosmic parcel idk if someone already told u, bug u can lock manual production by pressing space once i think 🙂
#screenshots message

[sleek cargo]

That’s how I’m feeling right now with completing phase 3.. I’ve got so many different mines and mini factories all feeding into one large factory just to make my engines and adaptive control modules

I’m considering going through and rebuilding all of my factories and reorganizing from when I was less experienced

[unique hazel]

how do i preset all my foundations and walls in a conrete

[dense violet]

hold E when building a foundation
while the radial menu is up, right click to swap materials

or hot bar that foundation with that material

[unique hazel]

i dont have any matirials

i switch but nothing hap[pens

i found it in the shop thanks for help tho

[young sentinel]

i just automated supercomputers yet there’s so much i don’t know about this game

[dense violet]

it happens, the Hold E for radial menu makes your hot bars much more compact since it brings up similar items

[main spear]

satisfactory

[copper laurel]

Hit Phase on Friday, all I did until now was rebuilt my iron factory for the third time so it acomodate 7200 iron ore later on and only needs the conveyors replaced over time. As soon as I unlock MK 4 belts I can process 480 ironbars per Level on my Smelter tower on a surface of 7×6 foundations

[sleek cargo]

How in the HELL do you manage to get 7200 iron in one factory?? How many mines would that even take??

[reef basin]

6

(if meaning 7200 iron ore)

[sleek cargo]

I’m assuming running 6 pure with 3 boosts?

[copper laurel]

Yup

[reef basin]

if you mean 7200 iron ingot, then just 3 miners

[sleek cargo]

If that is the case, how do you come across so many pure mines?

[reef basin]

there's like 20+ of them afaik

46 actually

[sleek cargo]

Oh hell naw I’ve got a grand total of 0

[copper laurel]

North Forest has an amazing spot with 6 pure iron ore veins within just 500m or less

[reef basin]

the map is same for all people (unless you're on 1.2 and have changed generation settings, at which point you may have different amount of pure nodes)

[copper laurel]

The biggest problem there is managing the input with those tiny conveyors before you unlock MK 6

[sleek cargo]

So, question, would it be smart to then just have a massive mine collection and smelt them, then distribute it all out from there to other factories as needed?

[reef basin]

no

[dense violet]

I mean it would work
it woudl be a lot MORE work to do

but it's an option

[sleek cargo]

So then do the whole, use a mine as it’s needed for a factory type deal?

I’m asking because I have used up so many mines, and have so so many different factories interconnected to each other

It’s getting a bit out of hand, I’d like a way to organize things if I can

[white dawn]

I'm willing to wager you've hardly scratched the surface of all the resource nodes available on the map. Don't be afraid to expand outwards!

As for spaghetti factories getting out of hand, I nearly always recommend something called Independency: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

Basically: don't have your factories ever "interconnect"

[sleek cargo]

Hmm, alright

[quick hound]

Spaghetti… yummmmm…

[white dawn]

Have each factory go from ore->product, making everything it needs from scratch. Each factory only outputs to your own personal storage (ie: stuff your build gun needs)

[dense violet]

wmake a plan, find a location with the resources you need around 🙂 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[white dawn]

When factories are totally isolated like that, you've got a lot more flexibility about where to put the factories, far less chance of rampant spaghetti taking over all of your builds, more opportunities to use fun alt recipes you may not have tried, and more opportunities to develop your factory-building and decoration skills without being bound to past "mistakes"/decisions

[quick hound]

I stuffed my gun with peanut butter and it won’t work anymore.

[white dawn]

As you get further in the game, you may need (or just want) to start doing "subfactories" in different geographic spots, as parts get more and more complex, but when I do that I still keep the entire full "factory" isolated. I may make HMFs over here and then the end product over here, but both of those factories only work together, and don't involve anything else, etc

And of course once you unlock things like oil+aluminum, there's some resources which do sort of make sense to centralize to a degree. So you'll probably end up making rubber+plastic near where the crude oil is, and then wanting to send some of it over to another factory which needs the rubber/plastic. It's not like you have to follow Independency religiously, even if you mostly do it

[sleek cargo]

I just read about it, it makes a lot of sense!

Now that leaves me with just a last thing to cover, if I’m running belts 2km from a mine to a factory, and I’ve got 10 factories like that, how do I manage those belts and keep them from becoming worldwide spaghetti?

[white dawn]

Just one way to play, of course, and just 'cause it works for me doesn't mean it'll work for you. :)

[white dawn]

Personally I also just don't do that. :D I put the factories pretty close to the resources they need, so I'm not transferring resources more than like 300m or so

Though if you are doing long-range transport, I always recommend vehicles/trains/drones, as appropriate

I'm not fond of really long belts, so my personal threshhold for when I flip over to vehicles/trains/drones is quite low

Though as with everything, it's a choice -- you can certainly use belts if you want, but as you've noticed, it'll take work to try and make it look nice and not be a mess. :)

[sleek cargo]

I suppose that’s fair, yeah, I guess it’s something I’ll figure out with time

I do like that idea though of isolation, I’ll give it a shot on the next project I work on. Thanks!

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[young sentinel]

i have a few isolated larger facilities but i’ll connect them all eventually

[high drift]

water flow in this game still sucks, we need a machine that can pressurize the damn pipes and pull all the air out of it!

[dense violet]

that exists

[high drift]

im not there yet, i guess i need to have my setup how the devs intended to make the damn water flow to the gennys

[reef basin]

If only we had a pump

[high drift]

try 3 pumps

[dense violet]

its called 'under clock a few machines so you flood the system completely'

[reef basin]

No reason to stack pumps unless vertical

[dense violet]

also you probably need to work on your layouts

[high drift]

ya i i put it to be at 300m and the water barly gets anywhere, id be waiting days for it to fill up

[dense violet]

feel free to do some overhead shots of your fluid systems you need to work on in #1038092680493801533

[earnest condor]

"Days"? 🤔

[dense violet]

there's basically always simple reliable ways to set up fluid systesm

[earnest condor]

That gives me something fun to build on my test world just to prove it wrong. 😁

[high drift]

i just have to change the water pumps to be setup so its not all going to 1 pipe... becuase water cant flow in one pipe even if its at the limit lol, its been since EA that ive hated the water flow, i always see people complaining about it.

[rose rampart]

Do you unlock conveyer belts early?

[white dawn]

Yes. :)

[earnest condor]

In Tier 0, yes.

[dense violet]

again, theres simple reliable ways to lay pipes - it seems like you're not doing that.
many many people get 600 flow in pipes

please post in #1038092680493801533

[reef basin]

Oh, so you are talking about extractors, not pumps?

[high drift]

i know the layout i need to do, just have to move the water extractors and it should work, still pretty dumb tho

[reef basin]

Is it dumb for pipes to have limits?

[dense violet]

apparently you don't know, since you're having so many issues :\

[reef basin]

Better remove limits from conveyors as well

[high drift]

i need 300m the extractors are underclocked to make 300m, the pipe can do 300m soooooo

[fluid sapphire]

Perhaps there's a way to set up piping to transport more than that

[reef basin]

Soo, have you looped the pipe to prevent backflow from hurting you?

[dense violet]

"please post in ⁠questions-and-help"

You obviously have some core issues with how you're building it

[high drift]

pip just doesnt move the water even with 3 pumps lol

[dense violet]

pumps basically just do headlift. they don't solve all your problems

[reef basin]

Have you looped it?

[dense violet]

show what you're doing, it can propbably be fixed VERY VERY easily

[high drift]

id have to wait for my friend to get on, its her save we play on

[dense violet]

ping me when you do. It's probably a 2 min fix

[green fiber]

might just be that all the pipeline pumps are out of reach

the initial 10 m that a water extractor supports is a lot less than most people think

[high drift]

i already told you i know how to fix it, found a reddit post about it like 2-4 years ago, but i figured the devs would of changed water flow by now to make it work better so its not so confusing

[dense violet]

it's very very easy to manage. If you learn the basics it's basically no work

especially for 300 flow pipes

[reef basin]

It's not confusing if you approach it without assumptions

[green fiber]

Care to link the reddit post?

[high drift]

Hmmm.....

[high drift]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/15p3f3a/coal_generator_setup/#lightbox

[dense violet]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[dense violet]

that's just a standard layout on the wiki

[green fiber]

huh.... but that needs 360/min water not 300/min

[dense violet]

the reason it works is it has 2 input pipes

[high drift]

i only made 6 coal gennys BTW but i plan on adding 2 more

[green fiber]

ok 6 only need like 270/min water

[dense violet]

in the examples it shows groups of 8 because it's convenient
120 coal is just 1xmk2 belt

[green fiber]

so that CAN work with only one pipe.
but once you hit 8 you need something more than a single pipe from one end

[high drift]

i have my extractors straight and with 1 line in, thats my problem i need to make it so its split like that

[green fiber]

yeah

because 8 need 360/min water and 1 pipe in one line only does 300/min

thats the most common thing people mess up.

[dense violet]

that and train stations being backwards

[high drift]

like i said tho, i got 6 genys and it doesnt fill with 3 pumps on the slop up lol, buts its because its all trying to go in 1 pipe

[dense violet]

would need to see what youwere doing
there's lots of little ways to build pipes poorly

[green fiber]

if it goes upwards, it may be too high.
hard to tell without seeing it

[chilly oyster]

guys im finally finishing phase 2 with 88 hours in the game. is this a good result?

[high drift]

ya im building it in those spots in the north forest where theres caters of water and 3 pure coal nodes

[dense violet]

you're going through the tutorial in a timely manner, yes 🙂

[chilly oyster]

what do you mean tutorial

[dense violet]

milestones are basically a tutorial until you get to a sandbox game

[chilly oyster]

ah ok

[dense violet]

once yo uhave everythign unlocked you can build your own projects from scratch and experiment more

[green fiber]

in any case, once you have the chance then some images of the generators would be nice.
I know you said you found a solution but perhaps an actual explainaton of what you can do to avoid that issue or how to properly solve it would help you more. Which is what we would need the images for.

[chilly oyster]

ok

[high drift]

Ya its the same as the picture just the extractors are a little different so i can use the whole lake for coal water but idk how thats going to work

[wet moon]

did people know you can get on the big blue bird?

[green fiber]

that "a little different" can matter a lot

[wet moon]

im assuming so but its so cool

[dense violet]

big manta

[high drift]

ya im not good with water flow, i always have to use a design that someone else made for it to work

[green fiber]

We'll help you properly out once we get some pics.
Just ping me or someone once you get to it

[high drift]

howd you get a blue name?

[green fiber]

By being pipe master basically

[high drift]

EA people should of got a color and role

[green fiber]

that would be far too many to check in here i think lol

[white dawn]

Eh, we got a golden helmet and such. Good enough. :)

[high drift]

thats true

[white dawn]

(Also honestly I feel like that could lead to some Discord Elitism, etc)

[green fiber]

instead we have colors being handed out like in a meritocracy

[high drift]

at least i got alpha tester still in the locked one

[nova galleon]

I’m starting satisfactory, has anyone got any tips on what not to do? like where not to build or what not to get rid of just for the sake of the future

[rich harbor]

Guys i gonna make 600 aluminium ingots on my 1st big project (for me ) anyways i wanted to do sheets kinda too sooo how many ingots / sheets am i gonna need later 😭 yk

[white dawn]

My own tip: Ignore Youtube, ignore streamers, ignore this Discord. Learn at your own pace, enjoy it, and make your own mistakes, not someone else's. :)

[rich harbor]

Should i just half half yk make half of them sheets the rest for later use

[white dawn]

My other tip: remember you have a codex! Hit o to open it, or n for a search bar. There's lots of handy info in there, including transcripts of all the stuff ADA tells you

[high drift]

and 100% start in the Grassslands with all the impure nodes XD

[nova galleon]

Alright fair enough that’s quite a helpful point ty

[nova galleon]

Sure ty

[white dawn]

As a corollary: if you're having fun, you're playing it the right way. :D Try not to get caught up with what other folks are doing, or how long it's taking you or whatever. There's a lot of ways to play the game, and none of them are wrong

[nova galleon]

🙏 ty

[bold heron]

ahhh classic satisfactory, let me just build that basic iron factory cant take too long... 7 hours later

[white dawn]

If you do ask for advice and such, you're likely to get dozens of conflicting but passionate viewpoints which could be overwhelming, which is one reason why I recommend avoiding this Discord for the time being. :P

[dense violet]

any starting area is fine - the northern forests just forces you to build upwards

treat all the milestones as a tutorial , just learn the game. After everythign is unlocked it's basically a sanbox for your own projects

[restive umbra]

Let me explain to you at length why I disagree:

[nova galleon]

ah I see

[white dawn]

And, like, on my own very first playthrough, I was doing practically everything that I would currently advise my past self against. But I still had a great time! It was fun! I'm glad I don't build like that now but it was still a fun time

[earnest condor]

You want my standard new player advice?

[nova galleon]

It is in a way more fun to learn as you go along so ik what you mean

[nova galleon]

Yeah sure

[bold heron]

one day i must do a chaos and spagetti playthrough.
goal, just finish the game, but no foundations allowed.
just a big mess on the ground.
i dont need to look good, just work.

[earnest condor]

Drop this Discord, entirely (for now).
Play the game by yourself without any guides, hints, wikis, or help all the way to T7.
Experience the game for yourself, meet the challenges and solve the problems yourself so you learn how to think about the game.
Get your own perspective on how things work. Once you're at T7 then come back and you'll be in a much better spot to compare your experience with others instead of just having information handed to you.

You lose so much of the journey if you are just gifted answers.

[nova galleon]

that’s true ty

[leaden turret]

sandbox game is about discovering what works for you. following what works for someone else won't release as many happy chemicals in the brain.

[rare egret]

why is there no way to rotate splitters inplace...

[earnest condor]

You mean after you build them?

[rare egret]

yes, cause some designs are mirrored...

and i have to basically redo them twice

[earnest condor]

No, because there isn't a single building in the entire game you can rotate after it is built??

[twin parcel]

yo how long an industrial storage last when making 500 uranium waste / min ?

[earnest condor]

What does Waste stack up to?

Like maximum amount per 1 slot.

[shell flint]

hello i'm on a friend's server but when i see the sky, i have a lot of particules in the sky like an explosion

do you know the issue ?

[earnest condor]

Multiplayer Broken. Plz Fix.

[twin parcel]

idk , first time setting up nuclear .

[earnest condor]

Well, that's the first number you need to look up then 🤷‍♂️

[white dawn]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but it might be related to FSR/framegen. Could try turning that off

[worn oar]

Storage container contains 48 slots

[earnest condor]

Which doesn't matter if they don't know how much per slot. 😉

[worn oar]

Well good news, it won't be long until they find out! Hmm perhaps a minute.

[twin parcel]

500 for a slot

oh thats bad

one container is 48 minutes

[earnest condor]

Ok. But you can either a) Find a remote area and just spam like 5,000 containers or b) process to Plutonium Rods and just sink those for zero waste.

[white dawn]

Or, if you burn the Plutonium, it generates waste 10x slower than Uranium, so your ISC-waste-storage grid can be a lot smaller

[worn oar]

It sounds like you're still in the planning stage instead of having radiation knocking on your door demanding an answer. You should try to make a tiny nuclear plant before maxing out all the uranium on the map

[white dawn]

Blueprints can make waste-storage grids a lot easier to build out, too. Can cram quite a few ISCs in there.

[twin parcel]

already produced uranium rods , stacking them in a container right now ,

[white dawn]

Heh, time to plonk down some ISC blueprints, then. :P

[twin parcel]

just havent burn them yet

[grand ether]

I mean why are we not making plutonium rods and sinking them yet? Do you just need a buffer before you unlock them?

[worn oar]

Oh right, it's 50/plant not 10. So you make 10 a minute. Nice

[white dawn]

Some folks might not want to process to Plutonium, of course. Uranium waste storage does take a lot of room but it's still not impossible to give yourself a lot of worry-free playtime

[grand ether]

Fair I guess. Plenty of room below the map anyway

[white dawn]

(Though I'd wager that the majority of nuclear-using pioneers do process to Plutonium, whether it's to burn or to sink)

[normal maple]

anyone got blender 3d modeling suggestions?

[worn oar]

Blender

[lethal scroll]

question, is there a way to "lock" your dimentional depot when manual crafting? I wanna craft a bunch of stuff manually but only with materials from my inventory

[placid stirrup]

takes a lighter to fertile plutonium rod

Mmm it's warming my insides!

[twin parcel]

felt burn out setting up uranium plant , now i dont have the energy to make plutonium.

[chrome whale]

I wish they'd change boombox's drop button. I keep losing it when i try to copy a building

[dusky relic]

Are nuclear generators that worth it

[earnest condor]

Worth is subjective to the individual.

[dusky relic]

Like I just built 100 fuel generators, how much of a jump to power is it

[twin parcel]

when im looking at 27 particle accelators needed to process plutonium rods, hmmm yeah imma just sent the waste to shadow realm .

[earnest condor]

@dense violet so in response to the "it would take days to fill" I built a pipeline that circumnavigates the entire map and am now timing how long it takes water to go that distance 😄

[latent prawn]

with a big nuclear build, it's possible to hit terawatts of power, but that's also a huge project to build. rocket fuel can get you pretty simply into the 100's of gw range and is a lot less effort to build, so really kind of a judgement call on your part as to how much factory you need to power. you can comfortably beat the game in the ~100 gw range

[clear aspen]

Hello chat

[leaden turret]

1.3: pipes can now leak

[earnest condor]

I mean, they used to 😄

If you consider the -5 on every load bug "leaking"

[leaden turret]

disappearing voids don't count 😛

[clear aspen]

Once 1.2 goes onto stable branch, the KSP phase may come to an end

[twin parcel]

well 1 reactor is 10x fuel gen , nuclear reactors cant fit into blueprints unless u use mods . and its harder to set up if u dont have big factories set up earlier like crytal oscilators , fuel factory for drone network , aluminum casing , electromagnetic control rods factory , its very hard set up .

[flat ruin]

hey guys! i love this game

[jagged smelt]

We need one last technology. A dimensional dump. 1 belt in, 0 belt out. Don't make a mistake.

[clear aspen]

That’s just a dimensional depot?

[trim perch]

"Please stop throwing your garbage into our dimension."

[jagged smelt]

Unlimited space, no radiation.

[clear aspen]

Does the depot irradiate you if you have radioactive material in it?