satisfactory

[mint cradle]

You just have to program their paths

[leaden turret]

[insert redacted condom joke here]

[gilded sonnet]

u never drank water at 3 am.

[leaden turret]

I never drank rubber at any time of day

[mint cradle]

1600 modular frames so far

[jovial beacon]

I’ve been seeing this girl on my tt fyp and she’s building a giant catwalk with just loads of factory carts moving everything

[mint cradle]

Wait

I can just sushi it

[jovial beacon]

And gosh I realize I’m not pushing my creativity to it’s limits

[gilded sonnet]

Where do factory carts even pick stuff up

[restive umbra]

truck station

[hard wolf]

factory cart only factory sounds really fun x3 though I wanna wait until 1.2 for that xwx

[mint cradle]

Holy shit manufacturers are huge

Rn with my current production I can make 4 hmf per min

This game is getting fun man

57 hours in

Got 2 weeks ago

[earnest condor]

Manufacturer is smol building compared to what is coming. 😁

[mint cradle]

Im planning everything rn

So glad I automated smart plating

Train logistics is gonna be hard

[earnest condor]

Stop doubting yourself.
Trains are simple.

Tbh, the only thing making them complicated is when people fail to remember just how simple the are 😂

[gilded sonnet]

I forgot to include screws output into my factory 😞

[mint cradle]

What are you making rn

[gilded sonnet]

Well I used satisfactory calculator to figure out exactly what I can make with all the ore inputs I have, then I built all the smelters and foundries, now I'm double checking with tools whether calculator is right and it has different inputs and also I realised I forgot screws

[mint cradle]

No but what are you attempting to make

[earnest condor]

Thou needst pivot to Tools.

[mint cradle]

Tools is amazing calculator feel like spy ware

[gilded sonnet]

mega factory

[mint cradle]

Bombardment of ads

[gilded sonnet]

Im just trying to figure out where the discrepancy is

[earnest condor]

Not having an ad blocker? In 2026?

[mint cradle]

I should use brave

[earnest condor]

uBlock.

[river ingot]

Or just Firefox/a fork of Firefox with uBlock Origin

[earnest condor]

I'm a spoon person.

[flint phoenix]

I don't bother with adblock because it's funny to see what random bullshit they try to advertise to me

Whatever algorithms they use to analyze my private information, they're garbage

[mint cradle]

Still haven’t automated silica yet

I want windows badly gonna do that next

[river ingot]

Still better to block them entirely than let them track all the info

[gilded sonnet]

Okay I figured out what was wrong 😞 Tools didn't wanna use stitched plates, that's all

[earnest condor]

Caterium Wire my beloved.

[primal obsidian]

i havent played this game

in a while

[dense violet]

Fused Wire! 😛
use copper iron and caterium to make wire

also maybe oil if tempered caterium.

[gilded sonnet]

Don't ppl like iron wire?

[earnest condor]

Fused is for QW only imo.

[dense violet]

iron wire is great too 🙂

[earnest condor]

Depends on context?

[mint cradle]

Everything’s good in certain situations

[dense violet]

I like the idea of using like 4 resources to make wire

[gilded sonnet]

With all those different ways to make wire, I wonder what the max amount of wire/m you can produce

[earnest condor]

Less than Max Screw.

[flint phoenix]

50,000,000 wire per minute factory when?

[primal obsidian]

yo what’s ficsonium why do I have a building called that

ficsonium fuel rod

[earnest condor]

There is no building called Ficsonium.

[mint cradle]

Gotta be the best recipe objectively

[primal obsidian]

like a structure with the word ficsonium that I built

[dense violet]

load it up in https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Ad9AGczpnoU8xfNctcb2

[primal obsidian]

ficsonium fuel rods building

[earnest condor]

No such thing.

Ficsonium Fuel Rod is an item.

Nuclear Power Plant is a building.

[gilded sonnet]

I forgot how many constructors I was gonna need 😞

I dont think I'd be able to keep going without the blueprint designer

[sour mulch]

I use ladders but yeah that's acceptable, bonus points if you build a structure around it to make your ramps look like they're there for a reason

Anything goes as long as the pioneer isn't using the jetpack, hoverpack, or parachute

[flint phoenix]

Sounds easy, just annoying

[hard wolf]

I'm imagining that he built the word ficsonium, or a structure that looks like a ficsonium fuel rod

something something playthrough where you can only make one item per building and the building has to look like the item it's producing

[primal obsidian]

how many

[primal obsidian]

no i checked the building is highly radioactive and there’s a ton of plutonium waste it’s definetly making something very very bad

plutonium waste is being brought it

[hard wolf]

is it a particle accelerator?

[primal obsidian]

ok ive jogged my memory i have a 240 GW nyclear zero waste plant

[thick cave]

Man I love trains

[latent prawn]

choo choo m-f'er

[cursive topaz]

We need vertical splitters

[latent prawn]

they exist in the game, but their function is limited and gimpy

[cursive topaz]

Omg

I will probably be integrating them now

[latent prawn]

you just snap a normal splitter/merger onto a lift and it does what you'd expect. problem is there's not much choice in orientation

[mint cradle]

Does the freight station need to fully fill for the freighter to fill?

Nvm

Wow this is cool asl

[earnest condor]

If your freight platform is completely filling there is a problem.

[whole robin]

Truth nuke of the century

[thick cave]

Yea, as in, no belts coming out

[earnest condor]

Huh?

[thick cave]

If there's no belts coming out of the freight depot or no power on the train station the train won't unload it's cargo

[earnest condor]

How would it be filling if there is no power and nothing can go into it?

[thick cave]

Magic

Or it's a loading station

[whole robin]

I do not think i would have stayed on satisfactory for much longer if it weren't for the ability to instantly place like 24 out of 300~ (rough estimate) constructors in the exact same complicated/simple arrangement for making iron wire and iron plates

[earnest condor]

Or you didn't understand why I was saying what I was saying.

[thick cave]

Question, wtf do you need 300 constructors

[thick cave]

Yea

[whole robin]

Im trying to make 20 heavy encased frames a minute

Well its like 22.6-ish but whos counting at that point

And it requires 980 steel pipes a minute throughout the factory

[thick cave]

Why do you need that much

[whole robin]

And i think just under 1100 concrete a minute including the moulded pipes that are helping with the load

[reef apex]

Do you not have alternate recipes?

[whole robin]

Oh no i do

The only way i got that much concrete was by using wet concrete

And getting that many pipes required me to rewire my steel factory to be retrofitted with solid steel ingots instead of the normal ones, then using the excess steel to make the Molded Pipes

[whole robin]

To prepare for the next step in the frame line with aluminum (IM STILL TRYING TO MAKE ACUs )

[thick cave]

Suggestion: get iron pipe recipe, it'll help

[whole robin]

Also because they are needed for lots of buildings and i dont want to have to sit arouns like a bump on a log waiting for them uploaded

[thick cave]

Damn, I just craft the phase components by hand

[thick cave]

You can upgrade the upload speed btw

[dense violet]

you get an asston more pipes with a touch of coal instead

[thick cave]

Problem: need coal, coal is very far away

Solution? Iron

[dense violet]

coal and iron is the most common combo on the map
that's a you problem if yo ucan't look over your shoulder and run face first into it

[thick cave]

Also impure nodes:

[whole robin]

See thats the thing, i already have that recipe, and the iron pipes make up for the missing 260(?) From moulded pipes

[thick cave]

And the fact that coal is like, really far away for no reason

[dense violet]

then yo uaren't looking. coal is litter over the map

[whole robin]

Yes. I know that, Hunter. But that doesnt really matter when theres nothing to upload

[thick cave]

Not for me but then again I haven't explored the whole thing, and I have yet to find any coal nodes conveniently next to iron

[earnest condor]

"For no reason" -- you mean "For the specific reason of encouraging you to learn long-range logistics."
🤔

[thick cave]

Man I ain't gonna make trains for everything I might need at a moments notice I'll just conveyer belt highway it

[earnest condor]

It's almost like you need coal an entire Phase before you even know trains exist in this game.

[thick cave]

Fair enough

[earnest condor]

[thick cave]

Meanwhile steel:

[dense violet]

coal doesn't exist near iron on this map thats for sure #screenshots message

[thick cave]

How's your map different

[earnest condor]

Your point being?
Because mine is coal is away during the steel phase specifically to teach you how to set up long-range vehicular logistics, a skill most players will want to have later on.

[thick cave]

My brother in Christ, I made trains specifically so I didn't have to drive trucks or tractors through dangerous pathways and need to make a route back, I have a train station just for three things within walking distance of each other, the only far away train depot I have is for plastic and rubber

[whole robin]

What am I, a laborer? No! I'm a red(?)-blooded ficsit pioneer!!! And the crafting is relegated to the machines that don't have higher brain functions for planning factories 😤

[thick cave]

I just slap down whatever machine I need to make the components, load up storage containers with them and call it a day

[earnest condor]

1. Why are we bringing Jesus into this?
2. You didn't have trains when you needed coal, stay on topic.

[thick cave]

1. It's allegory
2. And? Even if I did I wouldn't of used them to get coal from point A to point B

[earnest condor]

So... you think coal is "far away" because of your own admitted refusal to use the resources available to you.

Yup. That tracks.

[whole robin]

Man if you hate logistics just use a really long conveyor

[thick cave]

I did

[whole robin]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[thick cave]

I don't have a good factory nor the time to make a truck/tractor route but then again I did need the space to fit my explosives factory, so a win win in my book

[whole robin]

What exactly would a "good factory" be?

[earnest condor]

You aren't satisfied with what you made and "don't have the time" == "don't feel like spending the effort."

👍

[thick cave]

One that is not totally disorganized and everything slapped into one massive storage unit

[thick cave]

Sir I have school and don't have much free time on the weekends, what I do is try my best to setup my factories as best as I can

[dense violet]

I already linked them an image in screen shots showing all coal and iron

[earnest condor]

Which is perfectly valid for you, specifically.
It does not translate to "coal is far away for no reason."

[whole robin]

Then plan stuff out, build things in steps, and be willing to spend a couple sessions on longer projects while building stuff

[thick cave]

I do, however, I will take the time to setup a dedicated storage for everything when I have built my ceterium electronics factory, which will take a while

[mint cradle]

Quick question when I turn on self driving for my first network I need it to go forward carrying quick wire and then backward to go reload but when I turn on self drive says it can’t reach it

I have another locomotive on the other side too

[earnest condor]

1.2?

[mint cradle]

1.0

[earnest condor]

Oh this is Trains.

[mint cradle]

Mhm I just did my first rail line

[earnest condor]

You building the station backwards.
The large, unmissable arrow needs to be pointing the way the train will be travelling as it arrives.
Departure vector is irrelevant.

[thick cave]

How many freight cars btw

[mint cradle]

1

[thick cave]

There's no point in multiple trains then lol

[mint cradle]

I might be the idiot here it’s just one train that needs to leave stop at another then go backwards

Refill then leave again

But self driving won’t work

[thick cave]

Timetable? Also, did you build it into a loop

[mint cradle]

No no loop

Is it necessary

[thick cave]

Ah yea, you need it to loop if you want it to self drive, for some reason it won't go backwards as it's expecting the train to face forwards when it arrives

[earnest condor]

Do you have a loco on both ends of the train?

[mint cradle]

Gotcha

[mint cradle]

Yeah

[earnest condor]

Facing opposing ways?

[mint cradle]

Yep

[earnest condor]

☝️

Station facing needs to be:

< ----- >

You most likely have:

< ------ <

[thick cave]

Also, the standard for trains is usually 4 freight cars to 1 train

[mint cradle]

U right

[mint cradle]

I don’t need that much rn I got like 7k quick wire already in that one frieght car

As it’s my first line I’m tryna keep it basic

[thick cave]

Well, nothing is stopping you from making them as long or as short as you like, it's just what's usually suggested (it was to me)

[mint cradle]

Im pretty sure that’s about the pull power no?

[earnest condor]

1:4 was from before trains had dynamic weight. It no longer applies.

[mint cradle]

Tysm it work now!

First part of new factory down

[earnest condor]

🥳

[mint cradle]

Since I’m producing plastic there I’m going to do caterium circuit boards

And quick wire cable for computers

New problem

Idk why but I can’t dock at the quick wire factory anymore do I have to wait for everything to unload then it goes back?

[neat anvil]

Is the station set to what do you need? Unload/load

[mint cradle]

Yeah

[neat anvil]

Is there any error message on the train?

[mint cradle]

I had just unloaded at the other station

Lemme double check at the other station

[neat anvil]

If my memory serves me right, if a trailer has more than what the station can hold it will just leave and go on with its schedule

[mint cradle]

The station stopped loading the quick wire idk why

[neat anvil]

Delete the train/station may be it fixes it

[rigid wedge]

Dynamic?

[mint cradle]

Nope

[rigid wedge]

Hmm I trucks don’t have that I think

[mint cradle]

Still doesn’t wanna dock that’s so odd

[neat anvil]

To be clear it’s a, A to B repeating system, right?

[mint cradle]

Might needa switch both train stations

Brb

[neat anvil]

?

[dense violet]

@sly fox that was sarcasm for hte person I shared it to 😛

[mint cradle]

A is like >>> b is like <<<

[topaz seal]

Ana: don't eat the fruit until you scan it
Also Ana: to test if something is water, touch it. If it isn't solid and doesn't corrode your suit, it's probably water

[neat anvil]

Ana?

[mint cradle]

Godammit why doesn’t this work

[topaz seal]

Ada

[neat anvil]

What did you change? And how does YOUR train system work?

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[mint cradle]

Ok so going from a quick wire factory straight to a drop off point

[neat anvil]

Is there any other trains in the system?

[mint cradle]

It started driving itself back and forth but refused to dock at the end

[mint cradle]

No just the one with 2 locomotives

[neat anvil]

Is it a mono rail?

[mint cradle]

Yes one rail

[neat anvil]

Oh

Mb I haven’t used them enough to figure that out, but if it helps, trains cannot dock if they are entering your station from the opposite direction

[mint cradle]

Wdym monorail aren’t they all monorails

[neat anvil]

Trains can go through stations however they want but can’t dock if the station isn’t aligned to where they are moving

[neat anvil]

No

You can make a two way setup with right lane driving so you can have multiple trains at once

[mint cradle]

So I can’t make it just go from a to b back to a load and just go back

So it has to be a loop

[neat anvil]

Mono rails DO work but I don’t do them so I can’t help you with that

2 way rails drastically expanded what you can do with trains and lets you make an entire system on a single track you can expand across the entire world

BUT, it comes with the headache of train signals

If you plan to use more than one train

[mint cradle]

The system I have rn just needs to transport one resource so that’s all I need rn

[neat anvil]

Yep, I went a long time and not having to worry about signals, but it was a headache learning them

If you don’t know, trains are blind, they will always take the shortest path to where they need to go and can’t see other trains on the track, signals help train move around without the risk of collision by forcing them to stop if a part of the track is occupied

[west ingot]

Can trains actually collide? What happens if they do? I haven't gotten there yet

[dense violet]

they derail

[hard wolf]

if that happens all the way across the map you have to go there and fix it yourself (by pressing the interact key)

[west ingot]

Oh, lovely

I wish more of my friends played Satisfactory

[neat anvil]

Real

[west ingot]

I have so, so many questions and things I want to talk about but none of my friends know anything

[neat anvil]

You’ve got a bunch of strangers on the Internet here

[hard wolf]

with enough path signals at junctions and block signals it shouldn't be an issue. I haven't had any derailments yet and I have 6 trains stopping at the same factory

[west ingot]

Multiple small factories or one megafactory? I've started going the route of multiple small factories, but I could go either way

[neat anvil]

That’s completely up to you

[hard wolf]

you can do both at the same time

[dense violet]

if you're going up the milestones still? doesn't matter, it's a tutorial

[neat anvil]

There’s pros and cons to either but that’s really just what YOU want

[west ingot]

Like, I know there's no one "right" way to play the game

I just like hearing what y'all have to say

[dense violet]

have you unlocked everything yet?

[west ingot]

I just got into Phase 3

And just earlier today unlocked fuel power

[neat anvil]

I personally so separate factories, they are much simply to build and fun to design

[dense violet]

then as said, just learn.
either

a) you'll decide once you're done with phase 5 the game is over so the style doesn't matter
or
b) you'll play the game as a sand box and do your own projets, wher eall your old stuff won't really be relevant anymore anyway

[neat anvil]

And its fun building stuff across the map

[dense violet]

but the phases themselves are not a challenge. You can build the dirtiest sloppiest factories and 'finish the game'

[west ingot]

I just have foundations and buildings

[west ingot]

The factory around the space elevator is so gross

Speaking of

[dense violet]

that happens a lot during the tutorial 🙂

[neat anvil]

Totally something you can do, but for me it’s too boring

[merry raft]

yo anyone in oce up for making a world?

[west ingot]

Are smart matter and the advanced wiring used for phases 4 and 5?

[neat anvil]

You could ask in #1201555265942724758

[dense violet]

all the previous space parts are used in the next

[merry raft]

o didint see mb

[west ingot]

Otherwise I might disassemble those parts of the SE factory (Space Elevator)

[west ingot]

Okay, thanks :3

I won't disassemble it then

So, SAM. Is it something I will come across with progression or do I need to explore on my own to find it?

If it's a story spoiler just say so :3

[neat anvil]

Either

[dense violet]

it's a node

usually in awkward spots

[west ingot]

I thought so

[neat anvil]

If you spawned in the plains there is one “somewhere” in that biome

[west ingot]

It's cock-blocking the alien technology tree (which I assume is how I learn how to sloop a building)

[west ingot]

I did

OH

[dense violet]

yeah, but tbh duping is a boring mechanic

[west ingot]

I should explore that crevice I blew open

[neat anvil]

(:

[west ingot]

I blew open a crevice that lead straight down, almost into the void

But there were little ledges on the inside

I forgot where it is though

Maybe over by my caterium drill?

I had quickwire before I built my main factory for producing the phase 2 materials

[floral sparrow]

No, we need to get upset at PVP shooters again today /j

[neat anvil]

I completely ignored quick wire until phase 4, now I’m producing 1000+ per minute

[mint cradle]

I actually just give up

[neat anvil]

?

If you’re struggling with trains, there’s tons of guides on YouTube

[west ingot]

You know, I keep wanting to look things up

But I really want this playthrough to be my own

As spoiler-free as possible

[mint cradle]

Nothings working I’m even watching a guide rn

[neat anvil]

That was me at the beginning, but my adhd took control and needed everything to be perfect, I got past that phase but it was weird

[west ingot]

Oh I love the "everything must line up EXACTLY" part of my brain

How much fuel does the fuel powered generator consume as a base?

[neat anvil]

When you’re playing never expect something to be permanent, or that it needs to be PERFECT It’s a trap that will send you on a spiral to get burnt out

[hard wolf]

definitely

[neat anvil]

Depends on the fuel

[west ingot]

Base fuel made from rubber and plastic byproducts

[neat anvil]

So it’s just “fuel”

[west ingot]

Yes

[hard wolf]

rule of thumb: if you see a spot that looks weird and interesting, there's probably something there

[west ingot]

In my experience, either a yellow slug or a mercer sphere

[neat anvil]

If ai overview is correct, 20 m per minute

[west ingot]

I also want people who actually know what I'm talking about so they get excited WITH me when I make an accomplishment

[neat anvil]

Either way you can just connect the fuel into the generator to find out

[west ingot]

Also I discovered early on it's okay to have max power consumption over what you can actually produce

[neat anvil]

Yes but it may cause problems

[gleaming wasp]

would not reccomend

[west ingot]

That is true, and it has in the past

[rigid wedge]

Gotta yapp them into it

[neat anvil]

Btw all machines activate at the same time when you login, so if every machine is capable of making stuff, it will crash your grid

[west ingot]

Yay :D

[rigid wedge]

Didn’t know that

I got a ton a batteries

[neat anvil]

Same(:

[west ingot]

I am currently using 4 fully OC coal generators to power my base and it is not enough

[mint cradle]

Ok let’s see if it works now

[rigid wedge]

Early game I got most my power from thermal gens

[west ingot]

Also, speaking of, one power grid or multiple?

[west ingot]

I want thermal so bad

I know people say it's not good

[rigid wedge]

They look and sound cool

[west ingot]

But it's renewable. I plug it in and then never worry about it again

[neat anvil]

One why would you separate it?

[rigid wedge]

People say anything that’s not the most efficient is not good but in reality it usually doesn’t matter

[neat anvil]

The problem with geothermal, it’s not consistent power so if you don’t have batteries to make up for it It’s not good.

[west ingot]

Is it not?

[neat anvil]

No

It will climb up to a big number of power then slow slowly go down and it will keep doing this

[west ingot]

Idk, it just makes sense in my mind that each factory would have its own power

[rigid wedge]

It’s pointless to be resource efficient if you don’t use a nearly all of the available resources

[rigid wedge]

Considering how power works in this game it’s up to you

[neat anvil]

That would be very difficult to do for starters

But you can do whatever you want

[west ingot]

Is MK. 4 the highest that belts and stuff go?

Actually

[rigid wedge]

Mk6

[neat anvil]

There’s more

[west ingot]

Oooo

Zoom zoom.

[neat anvil]

The jump from MK 4 to 5 is staggering

[west ingot]

60 -> 120 -> 270 -> 480 -> ??? -> ???

[neat anvil]

780 MK 5

[zinc berry]

780, 1200 iirc

[west ingot]

I thought for sure it was going to be 405 and not 480

[west ingot]

Can I friend you?

[neat anvil]

On discord, sure

[regal tiger]

Are fluid load balancers a thing? I have tried to build something that should work, but not sure if it actually will function as intended. I have put an image of what i built in #screenshots

[neat anvil]

Fluid load balancers aren’t real

[cursive topaz]

How do you install blueprint files?

[fiery root]

Is it considered slacking if i just stay in my factorised world whule doing smth Else?

[regal tiger]

So it wont evenly distribute the fluid?

[neat anvil]

Pipe splitters do split fluid like you think they do but it’s important to realize fluids and conveyors work completely differently

[mint cradle]

It finally worked

[cursive topaz]

Fluids want to be level all the time so they fill like a giant bucket

[mint cradle]

First part of phase 3 production plan done

Quick wire into cable and circuit boards

[cursive topaz]

It’s best to pre fill your system before turning on the furnace

[mint cradle]

Next gonna run a train to pick up smart plating and encased beams

To make heavy modular frames

It’s a whole ton of work

[cursive topaz]

i just fired up my heavy modular frame factory, blue prints for the win

[regal tiger]

I suspect the only way for me to really find out is to turn it all on and give at a go...

[fresh quarry]

I'm running into an issue where one person cant join my multiplayer game but another can. When the person that can't join, hosts, we can all join

[somber tundra]

why the heck is epic games download speed for satisfactory experimental is just 10-15Mbps where as in steam its download speed is 100Mbps? with same connection and no throttle enabled on both?

[cursive topaz]

Why is this an issue?

[dense violet]

they can technically be created - practically? no it's not going ot happen unless you build them VERY specifically

[dense violet]

this is not a balancer of any kind, it's a pipe crime

[reef basin]

no they are not

[somber tundra]

via steam download takes only 10-15min but via epic games launcher it takes hours.

i own my game on epic and my collegue own on steam

[reef basin]

because different servers have different connection speed?

[somber tundra]

so epics limited to 10-15Mbps?

[cursive topaz]

Do you live in the same house?

and or apparent paying for the same speeds

[somber tundra]

yup same building

[reef basin]

possibly for some reason? maybe high traffic, maybe throttling for other reasons...

[somber tundra]

same connection from same router

wired connection only not wifi

[cursive topaz]

Hm how much do u pay for ?

[somber tundra]

750₹ ~ 7.5$

i downloaded from steam using his account can i convert it to epic games? due to epics low speed

[reef basin]

no

[somber tundra]

like copy pasting files to epic satisfactory install directory and verifying the game in epic library

[river ingot]

Epic games download server just kinda suck a lot of the time

[reef basin]

no

[somber tundra]

😭

[somber tundra]

ohh

[regal tiger]

Ahhh, damn. I sort of need the fluid to be evenly distributed. Any resources you know where I can see how to do it?

[dense violet]

dedicate exactly the right amount of fluid pm on each platform for the processes to have on the other side

don't link up tons of fluid systems together. That's like punching yourself in the face over and ov er

[dense violet]

and you're definitely not going to create a balancer with train inputs / outputs

they deliver in bursts

[reef basin]

fluid will distribute itself just fine

same as solids tbh

[dense violet]

with all these interconnections there's real good chance of back flow and stuttering though

[cursive topaz]

i mean speeds not price

[regal tiger]

Thats a thing? What happens if that occurs?

[dense violet]

pipes are bidirectional, so yes
the whole system will often stutter never working at 100%

you really want to keep your pipe systems simple
keep sections independent from each other

it's not technically impossible to link up everything like that but it's just such a massive pain in the ass

[somber tundra]

100Mbps- 120Mbps

downloads were not simultaneous

[cursive topaz]

could be your ethernet cable

what cable are you using

[somber tundra]

no man via steam my sytem also downloaded within 15 min

[minor rock]

microsoft store is even worse

[cursive topaz]

could be the server on the other end

[minor rock]

i have gigabit its very noticeable

steam gets up to a gigabit just about

[somber tundra]

except for minecraft nothing else i have on microsoft so

[worn oar]

My lizard doggo just handed me a nuke nobelisk O.O

[cursive topaz]

steam is amazing at maintain good speeds

[worn oar]

I'm in tier 3 by the way

[latent prawn]

be glad the no longer bring you nuclear waste

[worn oar]

I have to either find the biggest most disgusting spider to throw it at, or build a shrine

[latent prawn]

they're not that great in combat, very easy to hurt yourself

now & then there's a spider in a hole somewhere that they're good for

and um, that nasty spot in the swamp was made for them

[hard wolf]

idea: place a pulse nobelisk in front of you and a nuke nobelisk on the critter as it's charging. in theory, the sequential blast timing of the nobelisks will allow you to avoid harm, granted the velocity of the pulse nobelisk and delay in detonations is enough

[whole ermine]

can large billboards being used as blank lights kill your fps qquick?

[hard wolf]

are you talking about the rock in the swamp with like at least half a dozen large stingers?

[latent prawn]

the area with the crash pod that needs turbomotors

[sterile blade]

If they do, they do it just in the area you're in. GI doesn't get calculated when far away.
Anyway, they're pretty well optimized overall

[whole ermine]

#design-and-architecture message

thhis is extremely annoying

[faint willow]

Not sure how but I somehow managed to make it so I can't connect pipes to my water extractor

[dense violet]

there might be a different fluid in them

or save and reload

[regal tiger]

Thanks. I am reworking the pipes.

[cursive topaz]

so im now producing the fused modular frame

not at scale but close enough

[rigid wedge]

its a shame theres almost no resource nodes in the southers forest

[scenic epoch]

Should I start over? I started a factory like 2 years ago and it does what is supposed to do but it isn't nice and clean. So should I start over or should I try to clean up the old factory and keep playing there?

[rigid wedge]

thats a decision for you to make

[hard wolf]

personally I would suggest starting fresh. it's been a long time and it's possible that starting over would be less overwhelming than trying to understand what you have to work with. that being said, you might want to see what you're working with first and decide based on that

you could also pick a new biome, start over there, and dismantle the old stuff as you replace it. that way you'd at least have resources to make the transition easier

also, and I cannot stress this enough, dimensional depots are fantastic

[reef basin]

or just build new and keep old

[scenic epoch]

It's been 2 years since I have played but since I started this map. It's been a while yes but I 100% know how it works

[normal orbit]

1.2 brings new game modes which could warrant a fresh start

[rigid wedge]

even without a break I dont even know anymore what is doing what in my playthrough let alone 2 years break

[scenic epoch]

I have the whole factory plus the others in my head and i know how the game works

[rigid wedge]

I think you should just pick one and if you can’t decide flip a coin

Ur just wasting time u could spend playing

[reef basin]

yeah, same approach as for hard drives

flip a coin, if you don't like the result, you have already chosen the other one 🙂

[sleek thorn]

yo

[rough crest]

does the 10% from alien power augmenter stack? e.g. should i build more than 1

[sleek thorn]

anyone got a server i can join

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[sleek thorn]

k

[reef basin]

it does stack but tbh I wouldn't build any

[rough crest]

why

[reef basin]

I'd rather use sloops to boost production

[hard wolf]

they kind of have 3 suggested options. at that point 1 + 4 is option 1, 2 + 5 is option 2, 3 + 6 is option 3, and they should roll a D6

[rough crest]

good idea i guess but im currently planning to expand in the map massively to harvest as much raw material as possible to i thought i'd get the most amount of power i could

[reef basin]

afaik you get more power by slooping fuel producers

but it may depend on recipes, fuel selected, etc.

[rough crest]

nooooo come on it can't be like that

so the alien power is just troll

they need a buff if so

[reef basin]

no, they need to be removed

[normal orbit]

the most power you can make comes from using sloops for power augments and crafting matrixes

[hard wolf]

3 augmenters fully fueled with 5 alien power matrixes/m each is almost double power at 90%. probably not worth until nuclear, but my current plan is pushing almost 3 Tw with that and slooped production lines helping me use all available 2100 uranium/m

[rough crest]

i was thinking of just collecting all the somersloop in the map and build 10 power augmenters for now and double my power

if each gives 10%

[reef basin]

yeah, that's exactly why they should be removed

[rough crest]

what ahahhahaha some hogs were fighting a spider they killed it and it flew away spinning

[rough crest]

i saw matrixes recipe and said nope

i have way better ways to make power like building nuclear plants out of every uranium node in the world

ideally i want to be 100% nuclear and leave all the coal and crude for other purposes but im not using it right now cause i want to deal with waste the correct way

[reef basin]

any way is correct 😛

[rough crest]

but even just processing into plutonium rods and sink is really hard

[normal orbit]

its not hard

[rough crest]

so for now im sitting on 20GW from fuel which could be optimized a lot like 5GW from coal some geysers and the alien power augmenters and total is like little under 40kGW

[hard wolf]

using all of the uranium in the world requires sloops, but you can make matrices a byproduct of your power plant. that's why I'm aiming for 3 fully fed augmenters. plus I'll still have an excess of power shards, so I can use that to make ionized fuel and supply a drone network

[rough crest]

interesting

[normal orbit]

it only requires sloops if you aim for full ficsonium processing. You can still make the 50.4 uranium rods, 22.4 plutonium rods, and around 38 ficsonium iirc. then use the rest of the sam to make 50 matrixes to feed 10 augmentors, and make like 7TW

[reef basin]

using all of the uranium doesn't require sloops

[rough crest]

ive only got my infrastructure to up to like 25/30% of the map so ill just keep expanding for now and build other factories

when i run out of nodes i'll think of the best ways to make use of everything

[rough crest]

my sweep spot for a nuclear plant is for a 600 uranium/min with 30 nuclear plants and all the other machines it's not too big not to small

[hard wolf]

I'm trying to process all of the waste and not sink anything

[rough crest]

so you have to build 1 of that for every normal node or 2 impure and 2 for a pure node

the thing is blueprints help very little in this

cause id literally copy and paste the entire thing if possible

[hard wolf]

I just had to rework diamond production and went with turbo diamonds because pink diamonds needed too much quartz. I have to go through a bit of a process trying to minimize resource usage, but I'm hopeful

[rough crest]

sounds good

[hard wolf]

satisfactory modeler (free on steam) and satisfactory tools's calculator (made by @reef basin, tysm 😭) are your best friends

[rough crest]

ill try them out ty

[rough crest]

is there any way to make lods load from even further than ultra view distance

cause you can see platforms from basically unlimited distance but not the machines

[leaden turret]

might be a console command thing for that

[glass turtle]

huh. no such thing as a programmable merger, is there?

Could be useful for a situation where you want to balance and force it to accept inputs in, say, a round robin fashion, if one of the inputs isnt bringing anything it doesnt accept the others, either

[next ivy]

isnt that just a normal merger ?

oh you mean that its FORCED to wait

[leaden turret]

priority merger does... stuff? 🤷‍♂️

[next ivy]

can probably be achieved, but why

[reef basin]

no, practically never needed

[dense violet]

you can always design around having to do that

[normal orbit]

dont know what a programmable merger would do

[fluid sapphire]

you can kind of force priority mergers to wait until there is room to accept new inputs, like this (except blue is merged into green instead of directly on the main line) #1487064678642487296 message

[pine prism]

um can someone help i play in early access cl 140083 and how i to reacher sam ore cuz i don't have it in mam

[glass turtle]

Well, if it always was the correct proportions you wouldnt even need to use multiple inputs on a machine.

[dense violet]

it's in hidden corners of the map. you can find online maps if you want spoilers

[dense violet]

also do you mean early access or 1.2 experimental?

[pine prism]

no i mean in update 3

why play in this cuz my pc doesn't run it

[glass turtle]

Lets say you have one belt and allow it to only ever take 4,2,3 and 28 respectively and block all other inputs until that amount of each has been taken for a belt feeding supercomputers fed with only one belt and even through just one of the manufacturers inputs since it wont ever block if that could be programmed

[fluid sapphire]

That would just change the setup near the inputs, towards programmable splitters but change little about the nature of the loop

[dense violet]

update 3 doesn't have SAM ore. It s in 1.0

[glass turtle]

True

[dense violet]

why are you playing update 3? did you pirate it or something?

ah well thats rough, but no SAM in update 3 sorry

[glass turtle]

Dang i last played in 2022, and ther was SAM ore then

[dense violet]

not real sam ore, temp nodes that ran out after like 30 ore

might even have a different id

[fluid sapphire]

That flies directly in the face of how the game is designed though, just like rate limited splitters would

[pine prism]

oops

[dense violet]

they really optimised the game since update 3 though, you should give it a try

[dense violet]

... so you pirated it?

[pine prism]

um you won't be angry

[next ivy]

self reports are always funny

[vernal vortex]

Whats the Max amount of ballistic warp drives you can get per minute? (Trying to get 60/min)

[green fiber]

apparently somewhere around 73/min

uses all the bauxite, coal, copper, oil, nitrogen, quartz and SAM in the world

[vernal vortex]

Guess im up for a challenge then

[vernal vortex]

What are even the best alt recipes for ballistic warp drives ?

[grave gale]

guys my factory is incredibly messy i didnt make it any foundations and just direct ground and it looks horrible should i just do a new fresh start or rebuild my entire factory?

[violet glen]

If you made an entire late game factory without foundations, that's impressive and I'd say keep going :D

[dense violet]

how do you define 'best' in this case?

[violet glen]

In general, don't worry too much and just keep on going as well. Can always build another factory

[vernal vortex]

Most efficent for the materials

[dense violet]

which materials?

[green fiber]

just use every alt

BWD use so much stuff

[dense violet]

there's multiple alts for many of the parts up to it xD

[vernal vortex]

Bauxite, coal, copper, sam and quartz

[dense violet]

here , swap recipes in and out. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=nl62JXOUgsy9Mu9KE7yE

[vernal vortex]

Thanks

[dense violet]

recipes tend to be exchanges so unlikely you can just save on those 4 w/o spending more on others

you'll have to decide which ones are most important to you

[grave gale]

ok ty

[grave gale]

i am like midgame i unlocked coal power

[violet glen]

That's still pretty early I'd say. But really, can always just build another, or rebuild one you don't like

In the end it matters what comes out of it, not how it looks. At least for the game itself

[grave gale]

k

[earnest condor]

Midgame is tier 9 😉

[grave gale]

wow

gng if thats midgame then whats end game 😭

factorizing the entire planet

[earnest condor]

It's a sandbox.
By definition it has no end.

[grave gale]

shi forgot

[rigid wedge]

That’s the start of the game

There’s like the game and then there’s the part where you have to feed biomass burners

[leaden turret]

looks at sandbox having ends where sand stops

[earnest condor]

Those are edges. 🙃

[leaden turret]

the endlessness comes not from the box, but the sand [philosoraptor]

[grave gale]

main problem i am havin right now is the speed of my conveyors i cant go above mk1 rn cuz my production for reinforced plates is automated but at a slow pace

[vernal vortex]

Isnt using all nodes end game/ finished the game

[earnest condor]

Nope.

[vernal vortex]

What would there even be left to do

[green fiber]

build stuff

you have run out of ores but you can still build stuff and just fuck around

[leaden turret]

game ends when you're not having fun

[green fiber]

build a jump'n'run course or something

[fair aspen]

Is that new road thing, realse today?

[earnest condor]

1.2

[latent prawn]

or when you've built enough to melt your pc. hardware failure is also a wincon in factory builders 🙂

[next ivy]

then simply solve that problem

[latent prawn]

most people never play long enough to get that special ending and bail at low fps

[fiery root]

Thats the point

For humanity to be saved it needs the glorious sacrifice of the planet

[gilded sonnet]

Like 263 I think

[minor rock]

The endgame for satisfactory is complete AI integration

[primal obsidian]

damn I had to do 120 once it was so painful

[minor rock]

And you pay to play

Needs microtransactions and skins

[primal obsidian]

nightmare fuel

[minor rock]

Lootboxes in the hub (as "minigame") and ADA sends reminders constantly to check it out

[gilded sonnet]

The biggest thing Im worried about with the 260 constructors is how to connect the belts

[primal obsidian]

use blueprints

I had one 10x stack of constructors blueprint

using auto connect it connects the belts

wait actually I think I made a 20x stack of constructor

or was that snelters?

[gilded sonnet]

I am! But I mean the output from all my smelters and foundries to the constructors

[faint willow]

I legitimately don't know why, but the game physically will not let me connect my piping to my water extractor

[green fiber]

do you have any mods installed

if not, maybe CTRL is stuck

or is there some other fluid already in those pipes

[faint willow]

Nope, I figured out the problem... though I don't know HOW it's a problem\

So it turns out if you connect an x-junction pipe to the extractor, and then use the hologram piece to move it up

The game treats it as if it's connected

[green fiber]

you cannot connect junctions directly to machines though weirdly enough.

thats kinda an illegal action in... basically always

[faint willow]

Alright, now that this issue got figured out... time to de-ugly my coal setup because right now it's pissing me off.

[earnest condor]

Weirdly?

[green fiber]

well, they said they managed / tried to connect it directly

so that just shouldnt be possible.
either they said something that doesnt quite describe what they did or something weird was happening

[earnest condor]

Or they never answered you directly about mods and are using one that allows it 🤷‍♂️

[night umbra]

guys where can i find my save in the folders so i can copy it and send to my friend and put it on my flash drive so if i delete it i would have it still

[faint willow]

So I was originally going to say "no" to the mods

But as it turns out, I have SnapOn installed. Apparently lets you attach pipe junctions directly to it.

Guess I never paid attention to that.

[next ivy]

%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[earnest condor]

Called it 🙃

[green fiber]

yeah that explains it.

was my initial assumption too

SnapOn is just about the only mod that allows that kind of thing

[faint willow]

In other news I think I made my coal setup accidentally tileable, albeit with limitations in this specific spot because it's a lake

[night umbra]

and how do i inport save from folders to game

[next ivy]

you dont

you just move files between 2 folders

or well copy them between 2 folders

[green fiber]

if its in the folder then the game will read it

[junior jolt]

#screenshots message anyone know what to do, do i just wait or can i safely exit in task manager

[green fiber]

if you want to move the save, just copy the file and send it to your friend

[fluid sapphire]

thats just the loading screen?

[ivory bluff]

I'll try to play the game a bit on the Steam Deck this week. Not quite sure this is going to work, bit heh...

[twin parcel]

yo how hard is it to get golden nut ? like what is the best value item to sink?

[white dawn]

The wiki's got a full list of points, if you want, and the item with the highest sink value is Ballistic Warp Drive...

... but the real answer is just: sink everything. For literally every item you have going into storage, slap a smart splitter in front of the container, with an "Overflow" output leading to a sink

Obviously that'll be most helpful if you do that essentially from the very beginning of the game, so you're accumulating coupons throughout your entire playthrough

!wikisearch awesome sink

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=awesome+sink

[white dawn]

^ (that's the wiki page with the full points list if you want it)

In terms of how hard it is, as with most things in this game it's primarily a matter of patience. If you've waited until near the end of your game to start thinking about sinking things then you may be in for a longish wait. If you've been doing the overflow-to-sink thing for your whole playthrough, you may very well have the coupons for it before you've even finished up all the milestones

[rough crest]

I tried playing factory games on the steam deck and I must say they don’t shine in it even if compatible

What works like a charm in steam deck imo is games like Isaac or hades

And definitely avoid performance heavy titles for obvious reasons

[tame vortex]

The 1.2 coming when ???

[earnest condor]

When it is ready.

[fluid sapphire]

still some gnarly bugs to work out'

[earnest condor]

Only for train people 😛

[open parcel]

its hard to find ppl for multi

[earnest condor]

Are you asking or telling?

[open parcel]

telling

olaf of the ppl have aa reqierement of 20+

[earnest condor]

I would correct your statement to "it's hard to find random people for multiplayer."

[open parcel]

yeah

and my frends dont play them

[earnest condor]

Game is better solo anyways imo 🤷‍♂️

[open parcel]

i cant play most of the games solo

[mortal ginkgo]

why bro

[fluid sapphire]

seems to be a trend with gen alpha that games are only fun in multiplayer

[open parcel]

like

[fluid sapphire]

almost no one is ok with playing alone for some reason

[open parcel]

starting is hard

[ornate saffron]

take your time. reead, you g0ot this

[open parcel]

no i mean its boring at the start

[ornate saffron]

REally? i find it exciting.

[fluid sapphire]

the possibilities are exciting but it can be a bit of a misleading slog

the very early game is not at all representative of the rest of the game

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys its ok, he will change his mind after playing with me as I just purely work on making stuff pretty

He is not prepared for such kekness

[gloomy wedge]

Can someone gift me satisfactory please

Really wanna play it

[open parcel]

no

[next ivy]

check rules

[earnest condor]

When does it stop being boring?

[mortal ginkgo]

Can you check the rules please.

[open parcel]

when u have some basic things setup

[next ivy]

moderators ban his ass

[earnest condor]

Be extremely specific, please.

[open parcel]

uhm

[fluid sapphire]

plates, rods, wire, cable, concrete, semi-automated biofuel production?

[open parcel]

yeah\

[earnest condor]

So you don't need Coal Power to hit the "not boring" threshold?

-# Also, your reliance on someone else to answer instead of being able to answer yourself is... troubling.

[magic copper]

How do you get the oil nodes in the blue crater lake safely? Been trying to go there with the explorer, but its too deadly to even exit the vehicle...

[earnest condor]

Kill everything?

[placid stirrup]

Change hostility settings or unlock better armaments

[magic copper]

Yeah

Easier said than done

[earnest condor]

No, it is incredibly easy.
Which biome did you start in?

[fluid sapphire]

as is your inability to answer questions with any degree of imprecision

[magic copper]

Green fields

[earnest condor]

Is this your first oil setup?

[magic copper]

Yes it is

[earnest condor]

Instead of going east to deadly crater, may I suggesting going west and up the coast line to the calm islands?

[open parcel]

yeah not having to run to get leaveas woudl be nice

[ornate saffron]

you copuld just start at phase 2

[magic copper]

Could try

[placid stirrup]

Applicable to literally everything

[earnest condor]

There's like.. 1 large spitter enemy on the main island. Other oil nodes guarded by... 1 large spitter and the final one is guarded by 2 small spitters and a hatcher.

[ornate saffron]

changing creature aggression to passive doesn't effect trophies

[magic copper]

No its not that bad

[earnest condor]

Also the fact that all combat is pathetically trivialized by Stun Rebar 🤷‍♂️

[magic copper]

I'll see what i can manage

[fluid sapphire]

trivialized by any (ranged) weapon really

[twin parcel]

obvoiusly , unless the game decides to outsource the computational load to a server .

[twin parcel]

the trucks are still glitching weirdly on barriers and ramp , and the tires glitching weirdly as well on exp 1.2 , i rather wait longer than getting unpolished patch .

[twin parcel]

yea there is auto picking leaves on exp 1.2 , u can try run around explore , get some slugs while collecting leaves ,

[rough crest]

y maybe if you play on dedicated it can run well

i could install in my steam deck and try in my server

in the end you just bump down all the client graphics and maybe use some ai stuff to help as well and it can be enjoyable to build small scale projects i guess

if i want to change the foundation material of a big amount of foundations i have to go click 1 by 1 or is there some shenanigans?

im kind of new to the customizer i just bought out like 80% of it

[next ivy]

scim can probably mass edit that

[rough crest]

i heard that you can change like the default style can it work it this case?

it says here ficsit foundation swatch applied to all ficsit foundations by default warning: chanding this watch will apply the change to all buildings currently usint it

[fluid sapphire]

swatch is just the colors

not the material

[desert ermine]

Is it worth using the copper rotor recipe instead of normal rotors?

[twin parcel]

me on pc , i just never release the mouse button , and i move everywhere while im on hoverpack , though that works if there is nothing on foundation or u doing from below .

[junior jolt]

nah i died and then respawned, its never taken more than a second for a respawn

[rough crest]

doing from below!!!! your a genius

[fluid sapphire]

weird, but thats still what the loading screen looks like

[rough crest]

and i think i can still fly with hoverpack as it will pick up the poles even through the foundation correct?

[rough crest]

ok ty

it's cool you can then combine colors and materials i guess

[junior jolt]

also i just worked out i somehow had reinforced plates running at 10/min with only 3 smelters worth of ingots, despite the calculations not matching

[fluid sapphire]

it can be? assessing recipes in isolation is pointless though, i am sure there are contexts of recipe chains where copper rotor works well, my personal favorite is steel rotor

[junior jolt]

it makes no sense to me how i can be running at 100% if im only making 75% of the ingots i should be

[rough crest]

damn coated concrete material looks so premium

imma change everything to that

[desert ermine]

Im assuming steel rotor gives you more bang for your buck despite being a more difficult recipe? I've seen one instance where the copper rotor makes sense and thats when theres a single isolated iron patch next to a single copper patch.

[rough crest]

should i also put a finish on it then what's you guys favorite combination

[unique hazel]

i got questions is it normal for your power supply to be really far away from any nodes ?

[junior jolt]

in some cases yes, a lot more in the late game

[unique hazel]

okok

[fluid sapphire]

honestly i wouldnt call any of the recipes more difficult than any of the other ones. for me the value of steel rotor is that you can make them entirely from iron. i find iron the least valuable resource right behind water

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=PIY2VRke4FuhPIftlWxc

[junior jolt]

like in late game, you prioritise the power around the nodes you have, since you can easily transport power globally

[rough crest]

i build power plants above the resource im using (coal, oil, uranium) and usually ship the other materials needed

[unique hazel]

wdym ?

bec the closest coal node to be is a good 2k meters away

[ornate saffron]

this is normal. Wires cost next to nothing.

[rough crest]

than what i mean it's better to build the power 2k away instead of bringing the coal to base

[unique hazel]

okok

[rough crest]

cause the power poles are free

[unique hazel]

then jsut cable it to your factory

[next ivy]

and power poles make travelling there trivial too

[rough crest]

i'd say in order the easiest thing to move are 1) power 2) physical resources 3) fluids

try to move as less fluid as possible

[unique hazel]

okok

[next ivy]

tell that to nuclear

😭

[rough crest]

i found a good spot where i have uranium next to a water pool

so i just pump the water locally and the uranium as well

[ornate saffron]

youll need ALOT of water. best to make over the ocean

[rough crest]

and ship to the facility stuff like iron copper limestone and so on

[rough crest]

i put down 60 pumps

they fit the maximum possible amount you can make from that node

[next ivy]

water for nuclear is currently just bs

[rough crest]

(600 uranium/min)

[next ivy]

just give us bigger pipes coffeestain

[rough crest]

and there is still leftover space in the lake

[ornate saffron]

if you can fit 60 extractors its aint a "pool"

lol

[rough crest]

yeah more like a lake your right xd

ill show you the spot

[ornate saffron]

no need. Im sure its great

[rough crest]

if you still want to have a look i sent in #screenshots

took me 10 seconds xd

the thing is i want to turn it on only after i make a plutonium facility cause i think radiation is going to kill me in the center of the map like that lol

so i can make plutonium rods and sink them or whatever

[ornate saffron]

thats what i did

[rough crest]

y i dont like storing

consider im also on a server

it's really not an option for long term

[ornate saffron]

#design-and-architecture message

thats my impure setup

7.2 uranium rods/,min from a single impure node

[rough crest]

so good!!

i have 6 uranium rods/min from a single normal node xd

cause im using just basic recipes

maybe next plant ill build it with the best recipes

[ornate saffron]

nothingwrong with that. Originally i was going to make less but i for got the math att work lol. At home i had the 7.2 math

[rough crest]

i need to master item transportation on the entire map scale

cause i want to make factories of everything spread across all the biomes

[ornate saffron]

this is why i setup in the Swampo. it had everything i needed for Nuclear

[rough crest]

im thinking of running conveyors in the sky as the most reliable method idk but maybe train are worth it?

[ornate saffron]

trains are great.

[fluid sapphire]

trains are great, as are drones

[ornate saffron]

you can go under the map too

[earnest condor]

Trucks are great.

[ornate saffron]

all the optiuons are great

[fluid sapphire]

trains handily beat trucks for map wide scale

[rough crest]

to move my character around i just build networks of transport tubes with a lot of entrances stacked every time i join a tunnel

[earnest condor]

That's a matter of perspective.

[rough crest]

and all these ones are connected so when you exit one you can decide to go whatever way you want

i think it's more controlled than using just cannons but of course you have to build the entire tube

then on the same sky platform where the tubes run i ran some conveyors of stuff i needed to bring to base along side the tube

[ornate saffron]

I use ziplines. tubes make me sick

[rough crest]

and some pipes effectively skipping trains or drones or truck or whatever

[mortal ginkgo]

ZIPLINES MENTIONED LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[gusty basin]

hello

[mortal ginkgo]

wrong game dante

[rough crest]

i could build them for fun but i doubt they have better throughput and reliability than a mk6 conveyors

[fluid sapphire]

just another reason to love the gunner class

[gusty basin]

what

satisfactory is what im playing

i seem to be not be able to force vulkan tho

[ornate saffron]

belts are always reliable and simple. but you need to buildf a new line everytime you want to add. Trains allows you to use the same infrastructure repeatedly. (until you reach around 100 train anyways)

[ornate saffron]

Vulkan is not fully supported

[gusty basin]

it just forces itself to dx11

[rough crest]

interesting so you're saying i can load trains with different resourcesand then make each one stop to a different facility

instead of building conveyors in a complete graph between all facilities

which grows in complexity exponentially fast

good point

[ornate saffron]

more or less ^_^

[rough crest]

but what about throughput

i guess that's harder to manage

[fluid sapphire]

you can keep it simple

[ornate saffron]

t6here is a formula onb the wiki if you wana go full nerd

[fluid sapphire]

trains are only as complicated as you make them

[reef basin]

Can completely ignore formulas as well

[rough crest]

i guess i could take the output of facility buffer it in a storage and then see if the train picks up everything and then delivers to the input buffer of another facility

i like this idea

but what about multiple stops

that's hard

[fluid sapphire]

you just have to make sure that whatever you are supplying lasts long enough for a full round trip

teensy bit more mathy the more stops you have

[reef basin]

My rule of thumb for simple trains is "one belt/pipe per car (buffered), add another train if one is not enough". Also 2 stops per train

[fluid sapphire]

A to B is simplest for trains ya

[rough crest]

i get it it makes sense

say we have a plastic supplying facility we make one train stop somewhere and the next stop somewhere else

but they share the same rail

[fluid sapphire]

i would use two trains for that

both picking up from the same supply point but delivering to separate locations

[rough crest]

sounds good!

[fluid sapphire]

just gotta make sure there is enough room before the station for the second train to wait, without blocking your main line

[rough crest]

i can make like a loading station with multiple rails where train can sit idle while loading (so more than 1 train can even load at the same time) and then they go in the joint rail at a turn with some signal control like factorio no?

is that a thing here

[fluid sapphire]

train stackers dont work

[white dawn]

No, trains in Satisfactory are a lot simpler than in Factorio

[fluid sapphire]

trains always take the shortest path

[white dawn]

Trains are shortest-path only, they do not route around congestion or the like

[rough crest]

damn so it just waits in line ok

[white dawn]

(The one sort-of exception is that stations add an extra bit of virtual "length" on their bit of rail, so if you're ever inclined to put a station "inline" with some rail, you can make a bypass lane around the station and that will work fine, for trains which aren't configured to stop at that station. But we tend to recommend not putting stations inline, anyway.)

Also: in general, try to forget basically everything you learned in Factorio. The games play very differently

(Though do then re-remember that info when you do go back to Factorio later. Don't want to cramp your style over there. :)

[earnest condor]

You can build stackers.
Most people just dislike the way Satis does them.

[rough crest]

i really enjoy satisfactory simplicity so it's brought to trains as well i think i will enjoy it

[shy temple]

Yup, always shortest. It makes things simple, but can limit. I messed up early on in my new world because I tried making a three lane line, but then trains didnt care.

But it is robust in its simplicity once you get a feel for it.

[gusty basin]

i have an mx150 with vulkan version 1.4.313 support

[white dawn]

@dry gull (re: #screenshots message ) -- Btw, that "30 minute" challenge does not mean that you have to do it all at one time

It's just over the course of your entire playthrough

[shy temple]

I have a couple tips to trains.

1. Do not put signals on switches to create block. It can cause block errors.

2. When needing trains to wait, be sure to have two lines (one per direction) as this helps the most in flow.

[white dawn]

You can get that to pop even if you're just jumping frequently, but you'll definitely end up getting it eventually once you have jetpack/hoverpack

[shy temple]

3. If you have a main line with a train, make a siding line before going into station so they don't park on the main line.

[ornate saffron]

I mean Vulken is Experimental for Satisfactotry. I know some ppl have gotten it to work thouhg. Try making a post in #1038092680493801533

[gusty basin]

nvm ill just use dx11 or dx12

[shy temple]

Actually, something I have started in my satisfactory that has been working really well is I have a section of track into each station so that more than one train can make use of each platform. A holding area for trains so to speak.

Oh, Sevrahn. I have an overly complex workaround to station lockout in terms of max belt capacity with trains XD

A large capacity station is two platforms. an A and B with splitter/merger. So train goes to A, then to B. Then onto the other station. So when the one is locked out, the belt feeds the other one.

Overly complex, but it lets a train able to handle two belts running max capacity... Just ignore that there is the loading time and the calculations of time to do a circuit vs train's maximum capacity and how that might mean more than one train meaning need to put station on a block so that the trains don't stack.

Complex, but is the way of things!

[reef basin]

that's just two stations tho

[unkempt blade]

if I'm understanding you might not even need the second station you just need a section of track that forks to the station they're waiting on that leaves enough room for an extra train to wait

[crisp stump]

Yo who plays on xbox if so wana play with me on xbox dm me if you wana play

[fluid sapphire]

lfg channel dawg

[fluid sapphire]

!lfg

[raven axle]

Hello there totally awesome user! You can checkout https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758 and check the pins on how to find folks to play with. <3

[normal orbit]

That doesn't actually let a single cargo platform use both belts at max. You're just splitting one belt into two platforms which is the solution that's been done since trains were introduced.

[earnest condor]

Restricting platforms to less than they are capable of does seem the common route people go.

[normal orbit]

Simplifys things a lot and makes it more predictable

[stoic salmon]

if i have a 5 long train that makes 4 stops for different resources, when i make a station does it have to have 5 freight platforms or can i just place a station and then only have the platform exactly where i need it

[earnest condor]

Every pickup needs only the 1 right where you need it.

[normal orbit]

You can use empty platforms to block off cars you don't wanna load/unload

Also works other way. Use locomotive instead of a freight car to not load/unload at a cargo platform

[stoic salmon]

ty

[ornate saffron]

DX12 is best me thinks

[gusty basin]

not on linux

[cursive topaz]

dx12 is better all around, unless you can use vulkan then its better

[gusty basin]

but ill try

[cursive topaz]

And if this game is on vulcan, can we get a native mac port please

[restive umbra]

Apple is Metal not Vulkan

[cursive topaz]

yes but they share unix

[restive umbra]

???

[cursive topaz]

the code isnt that far away

[restive umbra]

lol

[cursive topaz]

unix is the base of the operating sytem

[restive umbra]

graphics api is OS agnostic…

[cursive topaz]

and we have gptk3 now so its easier than ever

[ornate saffron]

I heard good thihngs running it through the heroic game launcher.

[gusty basin]

oh

[cursive topaz]

i run it on mac rn through crossover and its great

[gusty basin]

im on nvidia

[cursive topaz]

i just want native preformace

[unique hazel]

tell me 1 reason why manifold is better

[cursive topaz]

time it takes to set up

[restive umbra]

ease of building

[cursive topaz]

space it takes up

easy to diagnose issues

[white dawn]

I mean "better," as with basically anything in this game, is in the eye of the beholder. If you want to build a balancer, go for it. :)

The main advantage, really, is that it's nearly completely thoughtless. Need x/min to go into Y machines? So long as your belt speed can support x/min, just manifold it in and you're done

[unique hazel]

in terms of efficiency

[white dawn]

Especially once you get into the late game, the rates you need to deliver, over the number of machines it needs to be delivered to, can get increasingly difficult to balance properly, if you're one to do balancers. (And the balancers in question can end up taking up a lot of room, though of course if you're willing to spend enough time in a blueprint designer you can probably make menu of them quite compact)

But with a manifold it's just "one splitter per machine, done." And can be trivially included into your machine blueprints

Depends what you mean by "efficiency," but by most definitions there's literally no difference

No matter how you belt material into your machines, so long as the "feeder" belt can handle the rate you're putting in, and that rate is sufficient for the machines it's feeding, the system will eventually be running 100% of the time barring operator mistakes (or if you've set it up so that it goes idle once storage is full, or whatever)

The main advantage of manifold is just the simplicity of setup. Line o' splitters -> done

[normal orbit]

There's no losses on belts so "efficiency" isn't a thing there

[white dawn]

Main drawback is the "spinup" time -- can take a little while for the input buffers to fill up. That can be mitigated by pre-filling the buffers, if you want

[void cliff]

Since I’m going vertical, I’m making saturation blueprints to go between the main ones. I want my stuff going in to be on fully loaded belts if possible.

I guess I could do something similar with balancers but just don’t care, it’s not that big of a deal. Blueprints are more about placing them quickly to get them running ASAP.

[ornate saffron]

The folks in #off-topic-tech are linux heads. Mayhaps pick there brains

Ive been testing distros with there help

[reef basin]

better than what? and better how?

[worn oar]

Yes, on Linux #screenshots message

I use Kubuntu Linux and it works flawlessly with this game.

As does the mod launcher

[shy temple]

Oh, the second station is something seperate else I just have a section of track if more than one train for train to wait. Something I never noticed before, but Sevrahn pointed out to me is that stations conveyor input stops loading into the station when the train is there getting loaded.

That means that a train station cannot run full belt capacities because it stops the belt. VS truck stations that keep running while truck loads.

But the two station work around means that the belt is always flowing and the overflow goes to second station while train is loading firs station. Hence overly complex. XD

[abstract heron]

i am hoping there is a stream tmr

[shy temple]

Yup, the disadvantage is that a manifold needs to prime whereas a balanced system will run at full capacity right from startup. It makes the most difference for power generation systems where the longer the manifold, the longer to prime. If you have an interruption in fuel delivery, it can take a fair bit of time to get running again.

[worn oar]

Manifold your plutonium fuel rods 🤪

[shy temple]

I actually plan on it.

Though if you know how to do stubby lifts, you can make fairly compact collector/plenum manifolds for intake and output

I did a screenshot before as an example. lets see if I can find it.

[abstract heron]

<@&370483737957236737> Happy Star wars day happy Monday is there a stream tomorrow?

[shy temple]

Here, this is a form of plenum splitter.

#design-and-architecture message

So instead of a single line of eight, it splits in mids until it gets down into pairs.

[white dawn]

Fuel Rod manifolds are saved somewhat by the 50 stack size. Can still take quite awhile to reach full strength but it could be worse. :)

[ornate saffron]

I just produce them in the quantites i need with clocking. This allowed me to keep it simple

[reef basin]

why not

[worn oar]

Because they will take ages to fill unless you slooped everything

20.4/minute maximum

[shy temple]

It primes a bit quicker because you get four going off the bat, and only half need to prime to reach full operation. It isn't that much more space to do so.

[worn oar]

I wish there were a way to lower the maximum speed of a belt

[shy temple]

Also the amount of radiation in the system 😄

[worn oar]

Besides using a lower tier belt

[reef basin]

well, it's not a problem, you don't need all the GW of power immediately anyway

[reef basin]

well, that's the only simple way. Otherwise many of the logistical choices would be trivialised

[shy temple]

But do you want it...

Underclock the powerplants so it primes quicker, just build more plants.

Lol.... brag a record number of power plants. Underclocked to 10%

I am the 1%, all my nuke plants are at 1%

[worn oar]

I wonder if, assuming you had the sanity for it, you could get a full 1200 plutonium fuel rods/minute by slooping everything. I'm guessing probably not. But it would be hilarious to see an overengineered solution where the belt can't even keep up.

I know the cap is like 800 without converters

[worn oar]

Yeah it's a good way but you still need to fill each stack

[shy temple]

Just use MK VI belts so fills faster.

(joking)

In all honesty though, what I am probably going to do is an overly complex balanced production system for my nuclear power. The raw uranium being the manifold with underclocking inputs so each reactor has its own fuel manufacturing.

[white dawn]

Honestly even that is hardly an issue, really. I like keeping ambient radiation to a minimum in my nuclear setups, but that's mostly just so I don't have to hear the geiger counter clicks and such. A single stack of rods doesn't produce that much radiation, or at least not so much that you'd be worried about nearby areas getting irradiated. It's only really waste storage where that "danger" line can start creeping outwards

[tidal hinge]

irgendwer lust auf valo 5 stack?

[reef basin]

not sure what is that language, but this server is english only as per #rules

[shy temple]

My goal is to have it out of the way enough so I don't care. I fortunately have a good mass production for masks, so I should be good for that. But taking a break atm to manage other things in life before ramping up phase 4

[tidal hinge]

sorry

[shy temple]

err, tier 4

whatever. Mainly also want to get some smaller things out of the way like nobelisk factories organized, turbo ammo, and some more housekeeping to make the tier items.

Especially production for drones. Totally want nuclear drones

[wary remnant]

That's just a 1 to 8 way load balancer built vertically.

[shy temple]

Pretty much, the idea is to split up the manifold more as it fits into a normal manifold space for the most part before going into a manifold system. It is four split, but eight intakes, but the concept is pretty much for longer to still do the split like that. Say sixteen, you would go into four parallel manifolds.

It isnt an eight way cause if you look the bottom row is four, two splitter manifolds.

Main concept is to have manifold start central line vs end line to reduce priming time.

[earnest condor]

Prefeed, no priming time 😄

[shy temple]

That sounds like too much work!

And still gotta wait for the prefeed to make :-3 So why not just let it fill itself 😄

[earnest condor]

If they let non-powered production buildings take input the way power generators do, it would be much simpler.

[shy temple]

very much

[earnest condor]

Maybe in 1.3

[shy temple]

I like that sort of manifold split because it is an easy to blueprint one for when you want a manifold, but the manifold is long with large quantity stacks.

And they look cool. I mean the cool look makes it worth it XD

[wary remnant]

Couldn't tell from the screen shot. are you collecting or distributing with that arrangement?
Edit - looked again, you're distributing.
.. and the bottom rows are effectively 2 x 1 to 4 way distributions it's just that you have a splitter on each of the "outer" ends.

[shy temple]

That one is distribution. It could go either way, but collection doesnt offer much benefit

[wary remnant]

I'm not criticizing it, it's what I also do. Just not aware that any one else also does similar.

[shy temple]

I don't do it much, its main benefit is for stuff in a long line to slow down buffering time on startup, and to look cool. I call it a plenum manifold because essentially is still a manifold, but comes in more centrally than at an end.

[wary remnant]

It doesn't need to be centrally feed. You have arrangements, easily blueprinted, that take 40, distribute 4 and onward feed 32. another that takes 32, distributes 4 and onward feeds 28 etc. to, takes 16 feeds 4 onward 12, 12 feeds 4, onward 8, 8 feeds 4 onward 4, then just a 4 way distribution.
Edit - can also do other distributions the same way. Example #design-and-architecture message

[stone scarab]

fahh

damn I just sent that to the completely wrong server

[desert ermine]

im assuming that vehicle can be fueled directly with coal?

i just need to fuel a truck to run steel to my main base

[worn oar]

All vehicles take coal except for drones

Factory carts don't require fuel but will consume it rapidly if given

[latent prawn]

coal is great until you start making something better in phase 3

[desert ermine]

im in phase 2 and need to mass produce smart plating and framework

[latent prawn]

for a couple of tractors puttering around, you won't even burn 30 coal/min

(each tractor uses less than 11 coal/min)

[worn oar]

Depends on distance

[normal orbit]

Trucks/tractor can run on anything with an energy value :p

[earnest condor]

Which used to include Fabric 😄

[shy temple]

Factory carts for transportation are definitely underutilized

Especially for lower consumption goods.

Or large quantity stacks

When I do a 1.2, I want to use them a lot more internally for moving around lower consumption products.

[grave dome]

Why on this green earth DOES WATER NEVER DO WHAT IT SHOULD DO THE FIRST TIME AROUND

[earnest condor]

?

[earnest condor]

What should it do?

[grave dome]

You ever bring water up

[earnest condor]

Huh?

[grave dome]

Why does water just vanish sometimes

[earnest condor]

It can't "vanish" unless you're playing modded or multiplayer.

[grave dome]

Example
You plug it into a coal generator
Water in pipe
No water in coal

[reef basin]

headlift?

[safe sand]

Yea multiplayer makes everything dicey

[earnest condor]

If liquid go UP, liquid need pump.

[glacial totem]

so I guess I'm moving onto fuel generators very soon, what did you guys do with your coal plants? Seems sad to just dismantle it all

[grave dome]

I left it

[glacial totem]

I could keep it for a localised factory?

[earnest condor]

Leave them running?
No reason to delete until you actually need the coal for something else.