satisfactory

[hard wolf]

also a crafting station

[leaden matrix]

Copper always somehow far af when you need it

[bitter lodge]

belt highways, trucks, trains, drones.

[mint cradle]

What imma do lowk

[hard wolf]

you can place a MAM as soon as you find a drive, load it in, and deconstruct it and just place another when it's done scanning

[mint cradle]

Pretty sure I got all the drives near me

It was like 10

[low ingot]

a radar tower will tell you

what all is left around you

[rigid wedge]

The belts are actually super cheap to run

Everything is basically free

[mint cradle]

You know what I need to focus on first

My main base where my og iron and coppers at

Then i can worry about steel

[hard wolf]

rubber ducky debugging. ask other people for help until you come up with the solution on your own x3

[mint cradle]

Appreciate all the help tho

[hard wolf]

though I would highly suggest rushing bladerunners and a parachute :3

[cobalt grotto]

yo, i'm starting which i suppose is mid-game, like i just completed 2nd phase from space elevator and i'm pretty fine, but i noticed that, the main thing that's making it hard for me is moving resources. Like, i want to make a factory of let's say crystal oscillators, and my closest quartz mine is maybe 1500-2000m away from my main building zone, should i maybe transport it via tractors? i don't like them that much cause i can't tell how many items per minute i have, and using belts is kinda wasteful, idk if it's just like that or there is a concept to help me not wanting to quit

[hard wolf]

also an explorer bc it'll protect you from a lot early game, as long as you can fuel it (coal works)

[hard wolf]

trains, though I would maybe suggest trucks in 1.2 if it's not too far?

[jovial beacon]

id say mid game is around the oil or train mark

[hard wolf]

also: #satisfactory message

[jovial beacon]

im scared to see how my performance looks in the late game

[hard wolf]

@earnest condor any thoughts on onboarding/tutorial/mid/late game tiering?

[earnest condor]

🤔

[hard wolf]

I will also add that tractors are short distance low throughput, trucks are short distance high throughput, trains are long distance high throughput, and drones are long distance low throughput. your situation definitely fits within one of these categories and (this is a guess, I don't have any experience with it yet bc I'm still on 1.1) trucks will probably (hopefully) entirely replace belt busses soon

tractors are kind of short distance mid throughput, and factory carts are short distance extremely low throughput

[hard wolf]

or just the situation in general. your 2 cents is generally worth a dollar in the bank xwx

[earnest condor]

I disagree with your categorization of vehicles?

[earnest condor]

How do you define "late-game"?

[hard wolf]

how so?

[earnest condor]

Trucks have higher throughput than trains 😉 They also don't really have a distance limit.
And in 1.2 you cannot use Factory Carts in that fashion anymore.

[hard wolf]

the second part really sucks. I was excited to set up a factory cart logistics network on the foundation of the new pathing :c and for the first bit, that's based on trying to move resources from one corner of the map to the other, and max speed

[rigid wedge]

When I made steel it was roughly the same time I unlocked the depots so I just powerpoled over there and never visited again after building it

[earnest condor]

Every time they make trucking "more approachable to people who are bad at driving" we lose functionality in trade for simplicity.

THAT BEING SAID
-The new update is a very, very good change for trucking.

[hard wolf]

would it be fairer to bump trucks up to mid distance?

[rigid wedge]

It’s not wasteful

But trucks in 1.2 exp are goated

I have mine delivering stuff across half the map a to b and it’s fine

[hard wolf]

but is mid distance from the northern forest to the central lake, or the northern forest to the great void?

[earnest condor]

Trucks can go as far as you want to make them go 🤷‍♂️ Just a matter of infrastructure vs. trains.
Like... trains have reusable pathing with different destinations.
Trucking is kind of 1 path to 1 place and that is it.
So depending on your needs, one becomes situationally better.

[hard wolf]

which I agree with, but it is it easier/less painful/more time efficient to build a road between the two or link that train up to a transcontinental loop?

[earnest condor]

Imagine building roads...

[rigid wedge]

Don’t need roads

i dont have a single train #screenshots message

[hard wolf]

no, but a road provides a direct link between point A and point B, whereas linking it up over the terrain can can require some finagling

[rigid wedge]

i only ever build a road on water

throughput is fine

[hard wolf]

@earnest condor I would consider that a bit more than than mid distance

like 5 4ths of mid distance

or 7 6ths. it's definitely skirting a bit above the maximum xwx

[earnest condor]

That route I just posted takes like 12+ minutes 😄

[hard wolf]

and that's fair, but at that point I have to consider how many trains vs trucks it would take me to get 1:1 throughput

[hard wolf]

trucks? and for what resource?

[earnest condor]

Natural terrain roads can get you to like 98% of the entire map if you just look for them.

[earnest condor]

What resource is shown? 😛

[hard wolf]

uranium ore, which is low compared to a lot of other things

imo xwx

[earnest condor]

Yes, but I wanted to consolidate it, so had to pick up from both nodes.

[hard wolf]

but is that one truck or multiple, and could you have done it with less trains? (which I'm leaning towards yes but I would try to link it up with like 2 to 3 trains and grab the whole 2100/m from all of the nodes, maybe 1 if that wouldn't overload it, if I wasn't already planning on doing it with drones)

realistically, the question has multiple answers and we're both right 😹

[earnest condor]

Well, truck holds 48 slots, ore stacks to 100. Output of Normal + Impure is 900.
So it fills a Truck in 5 minutes, 20s.
12+ minute trip means 3 trucks on the route gets full throughput.

[hard wolf]

so we are both right, and you've helped me come to the realization that with proper signaling I can set up 3 trains to all pick up and drop off at the same station, and that's going to help me a lot x3

because, up until now, I was ready to default to adding more stations as opposed to adding more trains

[earnest condor]

Depends on distance.
Sometimes more train is better, most times longer train is better.

[hard wolf]

unless I've already pidgeonholed myself into 1x4 trains and don't want to expand the station for fear of it conflicting too much with my preexisting infrastructure xwx

adding more trains is definitely going to solve a lot of my problems, and because of how I've set up my signals, I already have the infrastructure for it

[glacial totem]

What's the prettiest way to introduce power into a walled factory? Just through an open window or?

[hard wolf]

double wall outlets

[glacial totem]

I was going to use the wall outlets once inside

[glacial totem]

do they go "through" walls?

[hard wolf]

yeah. double in this case means it's one outlet on either side, and a mk1 means 4 connections on either side for a total of 8 (which can be helpful for wiring up a whole floor of constructrors with a mk2 or 3 if you're creative)

[glacial totem]

ok cool

next question, I swear there were some stairs in the awesome shop, but today I couldn't find them?

[jolly solstice]

yeah there are, but they're huge
there are also catwalk stairs and ladders

[glacial totem]

they were like at a right angle, not a ladder

wtf happened I'll have to check again

[hard wolf]

there is a foundation stairs set under foundations, as well as modern catwalks and industrial walkways under architecture

[glacial totem]

ok thanks

[earnest condor]

Removed in 1.0

[glacial totem]

whaaaaa

Am I not playing 1.1 (current patch?)

[earnest condor]

Which is post-1.0
So after they removed the right-angle stair piece.

Replaced by Foundation Stairs and the new Elevator.

[glacial totem]

ok that's why I can't find them I suppose

[earnest condor]

Yes. Because removed.

[brittle finch]

Go get smart splitters!

[jovial beacon]

I’m not even close to late game😭, or I assume not? I’ve gotten to nuclear power on one playthrough took a break came back and just restarted the game

I’m on phase 3 rn

My last one was phase 4

[earnest condor]

Phase 3 is the tutorial.
Phase 4 is early game.
😁

[west ingot]

I'm just about to finish the tutorial!

[earnest condor]

Look at you, charging in there 😉

[glacial totem]

I spent about 3 hours building my first 2-floor factory today and it's not even finished yet 😃

[jovial beacon]

Honestly with how vast of a improvement my second playthrough is vs my first, I’m looking forward to breaking further than where I last was and really dialing in on the late game

[glacial totem]

I really hope motors are needed a lot in this game

[west ingot]

I'm 4 days and 32 hours in :3

[west ingot]

I have two factories, one dedicated to the space elevator and the other to everything else

[earnest condor]

Take your name, your primary ability, then understand the pun 😭

[jovial beacon]

I’m planning to automate a side project of 120 modular frames a minute to feed another heavy modular frame factory of around 24 a minute

• somersloop so that should net me 48 a minute

[west ingot]

Oh, yeah I got wooshed at first

[earnest condor]

Let me PULL you back in then.

[west ingot]

Vanguard is my favorite class by far

[earnest condor]

Infiltrator all day.

[west ingot]

Careful, that might THROW me off

[jovial beacon]

It’s a bit shocking to me that I fear 48 heavy modular frames a minute is not gonna get me far and I’ll have to expand to something far more monumental later in the game

[earnest condor]

Vanguards don't get Throw until Andromeda 😉

[glacial totem]

I feel like thats how I used to play but there's no template of constructors/assemblers etc that I can just change recipes and it goes

[distant zinc]

i swear on everything, those giraffe bean things are coded to spawn IN YOUR WAY
either when you're building, or spawning in an inconvenient spot in your factory

everywhere i go, i see them. they haunt me. i see them in my nightmares, staring at me. like a sleep paralysis demon. when will i wake up?

[jovial beacon]

I have automated 60 a minute and I use maybe 10 a minute

[west ingot]

I thought they could in ME1? I very strongly remember throw being powerfu;

Maybe it's a bonus power?

[earnest condor]

Yes. I am waiting until we can turn them off the way we can turn stingers off.

[jovial beacon]

Actually no you use them a lot when you build other factories and train stuff so fully automated motors is a huge help

[dense violet]

yeah crit bonuses on sniper

[west ingot]

#WidowGang

[glacial totem]

It's absolutely wild you guys are taking about Mass Effect when I was just starting a new run the other day before I bought Satisfactory and it ruined my life

[earnest condor]

Infiltrator in Andromeda is even more awesome with cloak on kill.

[dense violet]

why not? build a bp with them set up and copy paste the recipes into them as you run past

[west ingot]

Yeah Vangaurds can throw in ME1. I looked it up

[glacial totem]

Why not? Good question

I'm a noob

[west ingot]

It's what gives you access to lift

[jovial beacon]

I keep forgetting to bp for my factories so I’ve sat and manually rebuilt the same layout like 15 different times so far😭

[glacial totem]

I haven't really played around with the blueprint stuff yet

[jovial beacon]

It will save you sooooo much time

[scenic nymph]

they are very fun

manafolds are great

[jovial beacon]

Yu can plop down a manifold setup to drop down on the fly when you need it

Or a load balancer

[scenic nymph]

what

[jovial beacon]

A load balancer?

[scenic nymph]

yea

never heard of it

[jovial beacon]

So whe you use splitters it splits you conveyor throughout either by half or by 1/3 each , if you have a manifold system your first machine is fed half so

Say you have a 120 item per minute throughout , machine one gets 60
Then machine 2 gets 30, machine 3 gets 15, at first until there’s overflow and it all evens out

A load balancer would be putting a splitter in the early line, then 2 splitters for the 2 new lines, giving all lines a balanced 1/4 of the overall throughput

So 120/4 each line is getting 30 instead of having to wait for overflow to fix the startup

[scenic nymph]

ohhhhh

yea

i get it

[jovial beacon]

90% of the time you’ll still use a manifold unless your throughout is too high for your belts to transport

[west jackal]

ugh i hate that some drones decide to fly straight through walls where some fly up over the walls

[west ingot]

What? Lost you here :3

[scenic nymph]

ah

[west jackal]

are you teasing?

[jovial beacon]

So say you have 3 smelters side by side and you have a mk 2 on a normal iron node right?

[west jackal]

feel like :3 is a teasing face

[west ingot]

So, 240/min

[scenic nymph]

thanks btw goob

[jovial beacon]

One splitter in front of each smelter, and a belt connecting them all, so a total of 120 a minute is on the belt

[jovial beacon]

Mk2 on a pure node is 240

[jovial beacon]

Glad to help!🙏

[west ingot]

...Wait

[scenic nymph]

👍

[west ingot]

Nvm

I can't math

Also, slugs

[west jackal]

hes explaining it weird... i think hes talking about a mk2 belt coming off a mk2 miner on normal node (producing 120/min if not overclocked)

[jovial beacon]

Rolling back, with 120 on your line, when the iron hits the first splitter 60 iron per minute goes into the smelter’s then the next line gets 30 a minute, and the third smelter gets 15 per minute

[west ingot]

No I get it, I forot slugs exist

[west jackal]

manifolds use the way that splitters overflow when one of the outputs is full, load balancers dont allow this and "properly" split things. generally speaking manifolds are cleaner/more space effecient. Load balancers are only really important for small rate production and maybe nuclear if you want to not have big hotspots. otherwise manifolds are most peoples go tos

[jovial beacon]

Your first splitter breaks your 120 into 2 lines, so a 60 line into the smelter’s and another 60 line into the next splitter, from there 30 into smelter 2 and 30 into the next splitters then 15 into the smelter

[jovial beacon]

^^^

[west jackal]

basically if your belts are all fast enough for the thing puling the resource, and you have enough input then manifolds will eventually work themselves out.

[serene jolt]

Should I make a 50 Smart plating a minute factory because free will exists? I’m not done stage 4 yet but whatever.

[jovial beacon]

Load balancers are very use case and you will use manifolds 90% of the time even if you’re very organized with them, load balancers take up a great deal more space for very small change outside of very specific circumstances

[west jackal]

yerp

load balancers are cool though

[west ingot]

Never heard of or used either

[west jackal]

huh

[west ingot]

Granted, 32 hours, 1 save, just started Phase 3

[west jackal]

you had to have used one if youve used any splitters ❤️

[jovial beacon]

Manifolds are definitely something to strongly invest learning in😭

[serene jolt]

Yeah

[hard wolf]

sometimes you have to use both because you have to load balance a bunch of weird outputs of a resource into a bunch of manifolds

[west jackal]

technically speaking, anything that isnt a load balancer is a type of manifold 😉

[serene jolt]

Idk how you would live without them

[west jackal]

thats what smart splitter/priority merger is for

ULTRA MANIFOLD

[jovial beacon]

I fear I may have to redesign my storage area to include a load balancer

[serene jolt]

Fun times

[west jackal]

you should see my fmf factory hehe

[hard wolf]

also yes, or for making sure a plubber feedback loop feeds itself before the rest of the machines, but it's all situationally useful

[jovial beacon]

I believe my train is bringing in more resources than my belts can sort and feed into my sink so I may end up with overflow

[serene jolt]

50 smart plating a minute for absolutely no reason?

[west jackal]

DeafBringer wanted to redo all belts when we got mk6, i said no because of how convuluted some belts were, still did it though.

[hard wolf]

you'll need it later, so it's not a bad idea

[serene jolt]

What for? I though I was done with it

[west jackal]

fenrir when it stops showing up in the elevator you can turn it all into mod engines

[jovial beacon]

I considered doing 240 motors a minute strictly to push near 1m points a minute in the awesome sink

[west jackal]

im at 20m points a minute and i didnt do anything like that lol

[serene jolt]

Oh right. I need those again 😔

[jovial beacon]

All of my outputs are matching other factories so barely anything goes to my sinks

[west jackal]

and when mod stops you turn those into the next one

[jovial beacon]

Despite that I’m still getting around 200k a minute 😭

[hard wolf]

no. they're used to make modular engines, which are used to make thermal propulsion rockets, which are used to make ballistic warp drives. just feed it into a few industrial storage containers and smart split the overflow into a sink for coupons :3

[west jackal]

so... i didnt use to do that. im doing it now, but i always have some for pioneer that gets sinked

[hard wolf]

also :3 isn't a teasing face. it's a cat face x3

[glacial totem]

still don't know the difference between manifolds and balancers lol

[west jackal]

nah meli its teasing ;-;

[glacial totem]

I'm probably using manifolds

[west jackal]

how...

[glacial totem]

because I don't use the wiki or have names for what I do

[hard wolf]

I use it when I'm happy/pleased with something :3c

[serene jolt]

I love this game and hate this game. 25 modular frames for 4 heavy framed though. I did not think that one through

[west jackal]

yes but goob and i both explained it rather thoroughly

[jovial beacon]

Manifold pushes everything through lines that all meet and split where needed, load balancers breaks lines evenly so everything is evenly distributed out of the gate

[west jackal]

heavy encased alt ❤️

[glacial totem]

I haven't been reading to be fair

[hard wolf]

heavy encased goes hard >w<

[glacial totem]

Ok, then I'm using manifolds 99% of the time then

[serene jolt]

I should go to the interactive map and grab every hard drive

[west jackal]

ew

[jovial beacon]

Yea I really do feel a bit shocked that after that lengthy explanation that one cannot know the difference 😭

[glacial totem]

I wasn't reading I just pop in here and ask questions then leave

[west jackal]

if youre struggling with making mf youre early enough you should hard drive hunt 😛

[glacial totem]

sorry 😃

[lime yacht]

I had a stupid idea for a mod: Replace all the ficsit stuff with Aperture and replace ADA voice with GLADOS lol

[jovial beacon]

Never enough hard drives I fear

[west jackal]

there is more than enough hd...?

[serene jolt]

dupe

[jovial beacon]

I wasted 7 for alts strictly to make my life easier when I build a few different factories all to automate 48 heavy modular frames a minute

[west jackal]

can buy in the shop too...

[serene jolt]

No not with hard drives

[west ingot]

Could I get demonstrations of both?

[west jackal]

you want a picture?

[hard wolf]

once you've worked through everything at least once it'll be easier for each thing. making enough stuff to feed one blender to make aluminum scrap so I could start making mk5 belts helped me a lot with building the whole aluminum factory I had belted all of the aluminum nodes in to

[serene jolt]

Should I try to automate nukes?

[west ingot]

Yes please!

[jovial beacon]

Easily but most of my time is not spent exploring in this game it’s theory crafting different outputs , how to do it and have no overflow, and meeting energy demands 💔

[west ingot]

Nukes?

[hard wolf]

yeah. if you feed a depot 1/m should be decent

[serene jolt]

Yes nukes

[hard wolf]

a depot and a buffer

[jovial beacon]

Feels cheaty I don’t wanna do that

[serene jolt]

Real

[lime yacht]

Cheating is more efficient than any other way

[jolly solstice]

except for when you want to have the most fun

[west jackal]

technically... no cheating in a singleplayer game.

[jovial beacon]

If the factory doesn’t grow strictly with my own ability then it doesn’t deserve to grow

[serene jolt]

If the devs didnt want be to do it they’d patch it

[lime yacht]

that is not the ficsit way, the ficsit way is efficiency not fun

[west jackal]

you want it to be in game or paint?

[hard wolf]

ficsit does not waste, and cheating wastes your integrity

[west ingot]

Whatever's easier for you

[serene jolt]

He is the enlightened one or something

[mint cradle]

Can yall rate my first modular frame factory

[brittle finch]

Wasted? Or put to good use to make things easier for yourself?

[serene jolt]

How many a minute?

[mint cradle]

10

12 actually

Its in screenshots

[jovial beacon]

Both technically made future me have a easier time when I get to it but now I have to hunt down more for rocket fuel and ionized fuel💔

[serene jolt]

So about 2 heavy frames a minute I think

[mint cradle]

Im not making those yet thankfully

[hard wolf]

also you might cheat and find that the game feels pointless and flat. I felt that way using GameShark on my DS, and multiple people have reported feeling that way cheating items into the game using SCIM.

[jovial beacon]

40 a minute nets 8 heavy modular frames a minute

With somersloop 16

[hard wolf]

I might just be a factory priestess princess :3c

[lime yacht]

Ficsit cares not for integrity, ndo not break ficsit merch and fulfill your job to save humanity and ficsit will be happy

ada might actually praise you

[serene jolt]

Just tap like 3 pure nodes with mk 3 miners and turn it into screws. Might be almost enough

[mint cradle]

YOO I made the modular frame factory

[jovial beacon]

Just use pure coal and pure iron for the steel screw Alt

[mint cradle]

Im on phase 2

[serene jolt]

Or that

[mint cradle]

Im using steeled frames and steel screws

[west ingot]

... There are never enough screws? 125/min? PER FULLY VOERCLOCKED CONSTRUCTOR?

[jovial beacon]

260 per minute from each a single line, you can net around 2k+ screws a minute from a pure coal and iron node

[serene jolt]

Oh boy. Late game items cause me pain

[jovial beacon]

Steel screws is 260 a minute 😭

[serene jolt]

With sometsloops

[mint cradle]

12 per min should be good enough to start versatile frame making right

[serene jolt]

Probably

[west ingot]

What do Somersloops do? I haven't unlocked that tree yet because I haven't found SAM?

[dense violet]

mostly a duping mechanic

[jovial beacon]

Can double item output

[dense violet]

it's... kinda silly.

[serene jolt]

Double output and power intake or something

Power usage is way more and output is double. That’s all I know

[mint cradle]

Prob just gonna leave it at 5 per min

[jovial beacon]

Doubles the energy requirement of a crafting machine but doubles the time output

[hard wolf]

sloops are cool, but if you want to max out a nuclear power plant with all of the uranium nodes between the SAM line and alien augmenters, you'll need almost all of them and still have to sink some plutonium (which is fine since all of the uranium nodes feeding into uranium fuel rods is a lot of power)

[jovial beacon]

Super useful for ludicrously tedious tk craft things that take loads of materials or dreadfully slow item/minute crafting times

[west ingot]

Is having one big power network or multiple smaller power networks a better idea?

[hard wolf]

congrats ^w^

[dense violet]

usually more convenient having 1

[west jackal]

so @west ingot i posted the picture, but to clarify, the load balancer will turn into a manifold if not properly balanced lol

[serene jolt]

Speaking of nuclear. How the freak do I keep up with water? More pipes running to only a few reactors?

[west jackal]

1 with priority switches

[jovial beacon]

Big network lets you manage it all, create priority switch lines on smaller scale factories to keep your grid always running

[dense violet]

build them over water - have water extractors directly under

[west jackal]

each npp clocked to 250% takes 2 max OC water extractors

[serene jolt]

Oh ok

[mint cradle]

Can you see if I did it properly it’s in screenshots

[jovial beacon]

Also a few hundred power storages don’t hurt

[west ingot]

Power storage farm

[west jackal]

(or 1 npp at 125% takes 1 extractor at 250%)

[west jackal]

eh, usually dont even need all that much, just have abundance of power 😉

[west ingot]

What power sources are there after oil? I know nuclear because of here, are there any iother sustainable? Solar?

[hard wolf]

having multiple plants and sectioning them off with priority power switches so that the plants stay up when the rest of the grid falls is the way, though I'm still trying to figure that out :c I might have an idea, though. also, connecting all of the outputs (miners, extractors, etc) that feed that plant to the same grid as that plant will keep it from locking up

[jovial beacon]

My output is typically double my requirement and I fear it eats me that I am not pushing extravagantly higher numbers

[dense violet]

basically jsut mostly versions of oil and nuclear

[west jackal]

you mean you use 50% of your production?

[jovial beacon]

Fuel, turbo fuel, rocket fuel, ionized fuel, nuclear, plutonium and whatever else

[west jackal]

no. there are advances in oil 😉
(nuclear) technically geothermal but very bleh

[jovial beacon]

For the time being, once I’ve 2 more drives I’ll 4x my power production

[hard wolf]

turbofuel is the step up from fuel, rocket fuel is the step up from that (and super nice), and ionized isn't worth unless you use @earnest condor's sloop loop

[west ingot]

I'm excited for geothermal

[west jackal]

its very...

[dense violet]

it's fine but limited

[west ingot]

I know of tweo geysers nearvby

[jovial beacon]

It’s very very very unerhwelning

[dense violet]

I use it to charge up power storage

[west jackal]

dont put too much hope on geothermal.

[jovial beacon]

A pure geyser is basically 3 coal gens

[west ingot]

How bad is it? Like wattage wise?

[jovial beacon]

In terms of reliability at least

[west jackal]

you average 7100 MW with ALL geysers tapped

[dense violet]

it's not bad, it's just that there's few of them

[jovial beacon]

They jump by a whopping 60-80% 😭

[west ingot]

Her, that's how many I have!

[dense violet]

they have their uses , just not likely going to be your backbone of your world

[west jackal]

nah a pure averages 5 coal gens

iirc average of pure is around 400 MW

[dense violet]

every start zone has at least 1 spot that has 3-4 coal gens next to water

find one of those spots, build like 32 gens

[jovial beacon]

I may be exaggerating

But if you rely on them def crutch power storages imo

They jump up and down frequently

[west jackal]

but @west ingot i build around 80 coal gens to get me to diluted fuel alts for fuel ❤️

[west ingot]

I just got compacted coal

[west jackal]

only takes 3-4 nodes depending on purity when you get mk4 belts, mk3 takes a couple more

[hard wolf]

no, but if everything is running at 100% efficiency it's probably good :3 also there's a buildable in the awesome shop that you can clip onto a belt and it'll tell you the parts per minute (conveyor throughput under management, though it takes quartz and crystal oscillators to make)

[dense violet]

it's very niche. I wouldn't bother with it for power

[west jackal]

that is usually not worth burning btw. You def can, but i wouldnt recommend

[jovial beacon]

Not coal power at least

[dense violet]

even turbo.... entirely skipable

[jovial beacon]

Very strong for turbo fuel and layer rocket then ionize fuel

[dense violet]

also entirely skipable

[west ingot]

But now I have no reason for all this sulfur contruction I'vce done

[west jackal]

i dont use compact for any. i skip turbo, rocket i use nitro rf, and ionized uses nitro

[west jackal]

... weapons

[dense violet]

you'll have more use for it later. Also for weapons

[west ingot]

Nak I like the lightsabrer

[hard wolf]

geothermal fluctuates up and down on and is difficult to utilize properly if you don't make a bunch of batteries to level it out

[jovial beacon]

My slow burn playstyle makes this convenience of a mid game option like turbo fuel somewhat helpful🥲

[west jackal]

you need 1 battery per normal (2 per pure) to average it

easy to utilize 😉

[jovial beacon]

I just realized I can bp a grid of batteries and just rebuild it over and over as a big building so my grid struggles to shut down

[raven axle]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @west jackal

[west jackal]

shoot

[west jackal]

yeah easy to fit 32 on mk1 bp

[west ingot]

Oh :( I light lett my factories die

[west jackal]

#screenshots message

[jovial beacon]

After that bio stage it honestly gets easier and easier to keep the grid alive

[west jackal]

what do yall think of the walls?? im trying to give it some character and not just be a straight up box...

[jovial beacon]

Unless you really like building huge mega factories and forget to touch your power grid

[hard wolf]

it is depending on how you play. I'm pushing 200k Mw out of a bit under 300k Mw currently (current consumption is hovering around 72k Mw, though there's a solid chance that'll jump up to 200k Mw when I start building things and space opens up in the depots), and that's to feed the supply lines that will help me build my nuclear plant xwx

[west jackal]

vanguard. just build 100 coal generators and you should be okay till fuel

[jovial beacon]

( I’ve done it 5 times)

[west ingot]

Yeah since I switched to coal both of my blackouts were from lack of water

[west jackal]

i havent started my nuclear, but im going to be producing 2tw before augmenter

[west jackal]

3:8 😉

[hard wolf]

that, and also batteries are very useful for keeping power grids up during times of high usage and super slept on (my last message is a decent example)

[jovial beacon]

If you’re pushing liquid higher than a 10 meter elevation use pumps!

[runic nacelle]

Why is my Pipes flow indicators not lining up

[west jackal]

true

[runic nacelle]

with the others

[jovial beacon]

Also account for sloshing when you use connection points

[west ingot]

I AM :3

[west jackal]

did you start placing one at the top and one at the bottom?

[hard wolf]

literally how? I had to compromise and cut way back on SAM usage because my original plan needed like 40k/m and there's only 10.2k on the continent

[west jackal]

well its 1.45tw from nuclear and 550GW from ionized byproduct

[runic nacelle]

Wait what?

[hard wolf]

that was before I switched off of fertile uranium, though :/

[west ingot]

Huh? 8 bio = 3 coal?

[west jackal]

no. 3 water extractor per 8 coal burners

[jovial beacon]

Gosh I can’t wait to push for nuclear again

[west ingot]

i HAVE 2:1

[jovial beacon]

I’m really hammering down this time compared to my first playthrough

[runic nacelle]

i cant Do the horizontal to verticle from bottem up

but from top top bottom

[jovial beacon]

You also use 4 and under clock or 2 and over clock

[hard wolf]

I thought you meant your whole nuclear plant. that's a bit different xwx also yeah, the compacted coal output of my rocket/ionized fuel plant will be nice once I'm ready to use it instead of sinking it xwx

[mint cradle]

YESSS VERSATILE FRAMEWORK IS AUTOMATED BABY!!

[west jackal]

well the nuclear factory makes 2tw

[mint cradle]

10 per min!

[west jackal]

the ionized is produced with the byproduct of the fics

[jovial beacon]

Now you’ll just need to automate 75 a minute to push stage 5 !✌️

[west ingot]

well, no, 3:2

[runic nacelle]

Screenshot in screenshot shows what its doin g

[hard wolf]

but you said it makes 1.45 :c

[mint cradle]

Lemme get outta phase 2 first 💔💔

Now I gotta automate smart plating

[west jackal]

1.45tw is from nuclear generators. 550gw is from ionized produced from the nuclear plant.

[mint cradle]

And the wire shit

[west jackal]

uses 6300 sam/min

and 2400 crude

[hard wolf]

o.O where are you overflowing into an ionized line?

[west jackal]

who said overflowing?

[mint cradle]

This games addicting

[hard wolf]

where is that coming from if not from excess resources, unless you're just welding an ionized line onto a nuclear plant?

[mint cradle]

Was gonna start homework at 10 now it’s 12:30

[west jackal]

meli, the power shard recipe is most effecient to make DMR for the ficsonium

[west ingot]

don't they all use the same power lines?

[runic nacelle]

i have a screenshot showing it

in the design im makinf lol

[west jackal]

so im producing almost 400 power shards/min that have to be used or they will build up as non trashable waste @hard wolf

[west ingot]

Producing? Ypou can make slugs?

[hard wolf]

weird, cool, and also a weird way to stockpile a ton of power shards instead of nuclear waste

but also not radioactive, so it's good

[west jackal]

@hard wolf https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9ZWB5OQi9tHfNYyLr2Ob
im also bringing in some items, like all the aluminum products are being brought in from my 12300/min alum plant. also in addition im slooping some items (like its required to sloop ingots)

[west jackal]

um no. backup is bad on power

[west jackal]

i have seperate ISCs full of shards

optionally, you can have one available to be slooped when you run low and have overflow go to isc

[hard wolf]

also: feeding into the ionized fuel plant which is the part I was missing when typing that message

[west jackal]

these power shards are turned into ionized to remove the waste

for the same reason im not just using all the worlds sam to convert to uranium and just go all out on ufr

[hard wolf]

you may have just fixed my own plant

[west jackal]

you can make over 256 ufr/min which is 3.2 TW of power from uranium (and MUCH MUCH MUCH simpler to construct)

but this has a ton of waste building up

so most people opt for halving that power production to 1.5 ish tw and doing full chain

[west ingot]

My nearest uranium that I know of is in a cave by a cliff

[west jackal]

dont worry about uranium

[hard wolf]

untill you can make and sink plutonium rods until you can use the plutonium waste

[strange vortex]

"The factory must grow" but mine cant

[west jackal]

and i dont recommend trying to do a big nuclear plant. if youre still learning the game, do nitro RF, you can get multiple hundreds of GW easily with nitro rf

[mint cradle]

Tomorrow I’ll automate the wiring and smart plating

[flint phoenix]

I'm getting the itch to restart and plan things better this time tbh

[west jackal]

you can fit a module that takes crude water sulfur coal and outputs rocket fuel (arguable the best input -> power fuel in the game)

[mint cradle]

Still needa do homework this game is too addicting

[hard wolf]

roguelite mechanics

[flint phoenix]

My brain is just a roguelite

I need software to plan out the entire factory BEFORE I build it

[hard wolf]

you could also rush depots, feed your build materials into those, and start over in a different part of the continent (the rocky desert is really nice and I'm planning to build my depot mall there)

[west jackal]

rush depots? you can get depots as soon as you have steel

[hard wolf]

that kind of means rush to find a bunch of spheres if they haven't already

[flint phoenix]

I would be SO bothered by knowing my old builds are just sitting there, so inefficient

[west jackal]

or... hear me out... restart 😉

[flint phoenix]

I can't explain it, my brain is just bad at this

[west jackal]

i have 1100 hours and have never finished the game, so maybe dont listen to me?

[mint cradle]

Steeled screws are

Amazing it’s insane

[flint phoenix]

I spent like 6 hours building my fuel power plant and now my brain says "no you must restart, it's not efficient enough"

[west jackal]

well.. it should be 100% effecient

also zeko you should use packaged diluted fuel and heavy oil residue alts.

[hard wolf]

then restart and pick the northern forest bc it's really nice and has a lot of resources nearby despite being kind of cramped and difficult to build around until you get foundations. that or pick the desert which is similar but with way more space and way less plants for biofuel

[west jackal]

much better fuel / crude

[flint phoenix]

220 plastic per minute, 100 rubber per minute, 31 fuel generators. It's not enough.

[mint cradle]

100% efficient 12 per min modular frame factory and 10 per min versatile framework from just a basic steel factory with Steeled frames and screw

1 beam to 260 screws is ludicrous

[flint phoenix]

I hear there is a really good spot in the Northern Forest that I might try, I just have to figure out how to build there

[west jackal]

just clip and build under the map

[hard wolf]

or restart and make a beeline for the rocky desert because it has enough coal for a solid power plant and steel production

[west jackal]

problem solved

[hard wolf]

you'll need foundations desparately

[west ingot]

Or start in the desert?

[hard wolf]

but I think it's worth

[west jackal]

i like desert, but it sucks early game

[dense violet]

it's really not that different, the game forces yo uto spread out in any case

[flint phoenix]

You're goddamn right, but I want it to look pretty, not just be a sky building :(

[west ingot]

Why?

[hard wolf]

rocky desert =/= dune desert. if you wanna be as close to the rocky desert as possible, start in the northern forest

[west jackal]

just... support the sky foundations

like this #screenshots message

still deciding how to do the roof

[hard wolf]

prioritize the awesome shop and build a gorgeous skyscraper that looks structurally sound

[flint phoenix]

Wtf that is massive

[west jackal]

? no

[hard wolf]

or that, that works :3

[flint phoenix]

If it's not structurally sound, I don't want it

[west jackal]

this is very small lol

[flint phoenix]

Damn.

[west jackal]

@flint phoenix these are some other builds #screenshots message
also this is whats inside those walls #screenshots message

still working on prettying up the other factories

[flint phoenix]

I have much learning to do, many restarts to complete

[hard wolf]

then visit every crash site you can find and grab 5 sloops, use the sloops to quadruple your alien DNA capsule output, and feed high level crash site materials (like turbo motors, though the DNA capsules might be enough) into the sink ^-^

[west jackal]

this is my starter computer factory #screenshots message (from 2 months ago)

lmk what yall think of it 😉

[flint phoenix]

I will 🙏

[mint cradle]

At what tier do yall usually start building structures for your factory’s

[hard wolf]

as soon as possible

[west jackal]

t5 for jetpack

cant be bothered before that

[mint cradle]

Imma get to phase 3 first before all that

1 part being automated already

Automated wiring doesn’t seem too hard ngl

[west jackal]

just wait...

[mint cradle]

Imma use iron pipe to make em

[west jackal]

i love iron pipe, but it requires so much iron

[mint cradle]

To just cut out steel and build it somewhere else

How much does it take

[west jackal]

lwk cant remember, its a lot, but its not that bad i was exagerating

i use iron pipe everywhere

[flint phoenix]

I haven't used alt recipes at all yet, except for the crude oil -> residue

[mint cradle]

Idk why but satisfactory tools doesn’t use bolted plate recipe even if I toggle it on

[mint cradle]

Steel screws are heaven sent

[west jackal]

crude->hor and diluted packaged fuel is amazing early game

[west jackal]

not worth the wp

[flint phoenix]

It got me so much power

[west ingot]

I'm making copper rotors

[mint cradle]

The what

[west jackal]

bolted isnt worth.

[mint cradle]

Why not

[hard wolf]

it's not. adaptive control units get a lot of people, but you can simplify it by getting depots and handfeeding a couple of containers belted into an assembler (I automated phase 3, handfed phase 4, and automated phase 5 by feeding the overflow from Pasta Town to my project part factory via train)

stitched iron plates is fantastic :3

[mint cradle]

Im producing the exact amount of screws needed from 1 beam and smelting 90 plates

[west jackal]

bolted takes more screws.

[mint cradle]

But it suited my factory well

[west jackal]

you can force it to use bolted instead of standard. but if you have only 120 iron input, the standard makes 10/min and bolted only makes 9.11

[mint cradle]

1 beam to 250 screws that’s the exact amount it needs

[west jackal]

then use it? im not saying what you should do, explaining why the tool does something

[hard wolf]

especially stitched iron plates + iron wire + pure iron ingots (all of the pure ingot recipes aside from aluminum require refineries)

[flint phoenix]

No more screws, thank god

[mint cradle]

Oh the tool recognizes it or what

[west jackal]

but stitched plate IS better ftr

[mint cradle]

I can tell wire and regular plates

Id use that in another factory ngl

[west jackal]

if youre using satisfactorytools.com you can tell it to use the recipes you want (disabling the ones you dont want) and see

[mint cradle]

Steeled frame is also good

For my situation since I’m producing hella pipes

[west jackal]

you can also change the inputs to remove things. in example, no coal allowed but tell it all alts are okay. itll show you. lol

[mint cradle]

Bet tysm

[mint cradle]

Mb for not responding ty

[hard wolf]

alternatively (and I'm sure this doesn't always work) you can enable all of the recipes and disable the machines you don't have

[west jackal]

for the record though. stitched plate/iron wire is the most iron effecient

[hard wolf]

no worries ^w^

[mint cradle]

Yeah

[west jackal]

all of these have pros/cons. stitched plate/iron wire takes the most power

[mint cradle]

Whats good rotor recipe

[west jackal]

actually i take that back. stitched can make 30% more/min and use less power (2mw)

[mint cradle]

Since I’m going to be automating the the wiring

[hard wolf]

or you could make caterium wire if it's early game and you have a bunch of accessible caterium nodes just sitting around doing nothing

[mint cradle]

Bolted makes 15 a min no?

[mint cradle]

It’s extremely far away

Also the closest one is covered by rock

[west jackal]

from 120 iron? no

[hard wolf]

then you definitely have better options xwx

[mint cradle]

From 120 oh idk

[west jackal]

from 120 iron/min you can make almost 14 RIp/min

with pure iron, you nearly double that number

[mint cradle]

That’s tuff

All the recipes are super cool depending on what you need

[west jackal]

pure recipes are some of the best recipes in the game, but need loads of water

[west jackal]

uh. no

[mint cradle]

Wow

[hard wolf]

or, since you have steel, you could find some sulfur and research nobelisks in the mam

[mint cradle]

Whats a nobelisk

Is it in the mycelium tab

[west jackal]

bomb

[hard wolf]

don't spoil it 😭

[west jackal]

its in sulfur, its a remote explosive

[mint cradle]

So that’s how I break open the caterium node

[west jackal]

yessir

[mint cradle]

Good to know

[west jackal]

good for combat to

[mint cradle]

Bro Sam is so annoying to get

[west jackal]

dont worry about sam till t9, just get the flucs automated when you can for stuff in the alien tree ❤️

[mint cradle]

Im an idiot portable miners exist

[mint cradle]

Soomersloop things look cool af

[west jackal]

id recommend just doing a regular miner with a constructor or 2 for the first level of refinement

[mint cradle]

I hate when the alien voice comes through instead of Ada

[west jackal]

thats what i did for a while, just went to the node when i needed some of it

[west jackal]

the alien is so cool though

[mint cradle]

Talm bout the scriptures are made with blood

[west jackal]

i get what you mean, Ada is sexy the way she degrades me 🥵

[mint cradle]

Shut up

[hard wolf]

the automated miner alt recipe is 100% worth, especially when you need them and can download them from the cloud

[mint cradle]

Im kidding

[hard wolf]

based? owo

[west jackal]

er... ive never once used that

[mint cradle]

I meant to send that with the message I sent earlier

[west jackal]

ive used automated beacon alt

but beacons arent in the game anymore sadly 🙁

[mint cradle]

I sold earlier by rerolling it

[hard wolf]

if you get it early it's a godsend. if you get it late and already have a ton of portable miners built it's not as useful

[west jackal]

dont waste alt on automated port

just craft like 200 and put them in depot lol

[mint cradle]

This game is too addicting I was meant to start homework at 10 now it’s 1

[hard wolf]

I got it early and never had to worry about crafting a portable miner again

[mint cradle]

Im just wondering why there are so many crashed freighters

[west jackal]

everyones different, the alt isnt bad, but i dont use ports enough for it to matter

[mint cradle]

Subnautica situation?

[west jackal]

for you, beavis

[west jackal]

i was thinking the same thing, but no.

[mint cradle]

I don’t get this I’m sorry 🫩

[west jackal]

sorry my gfs family calls each other beavis from beavis and butthead, and now i say it without thinking

[mint cradle]

😭

[hard wolf]

agreed. I need a lot of input and plopping down an equipment bench to craft a few takes more time than I want to spend xwx

[west jackal]

welp, ive got to go to the lab tommorow to try and rebuild my explodificated pcb. see yall!

[mint cradle]

It felt so liberating when I finished that factory

[west jackal]

just load 4 stacks into depot 😛

[mint cradle]

Cya

[hard wolf]

but then I'd have to spend all of that time handcrafting 4 stacks :c is that even enough to put a mk3 miner on every node?

[west jackal]

not sure. but it doesnt take long, just click space bar and walk away for a few

[hard wolf]

also have fun with your PCB :3

[west jackal]

or pull up youtube 🤷‍♂️

[west jackal]

not fun. very annoyed.

ive put a LOT of time into it and it keeps blowing up or catching fire.

[hard wolf]

can you get or access a resin printer and use the UV screen to print onto the PCB blank to rebuild it more quickly?

[west jackal]

?

do you mean print a stencil on a resin printer?

[mint cradle]

Is that shapez 2.0 game good?

[west jackal]

#off-topic-media message

i have 3 boards left to blow up.

[hard wolf]

kinda. you print the stencil on a clear plastic sheet and that makes it so that the UV light cooks the copper around the traces and leaves you with a nice PCB after you've cleaned all of the UV cooked copper off

[gaunt flame]

i just unlocked it but i REALLY dont get what power towers do

[hard wolf]

power over longer distance

[gaunt flame]

like the wire reaches longer?

[west jackal]

i had the pcbs milled. they are 4 layer 2oz copper. i just have to assemble them. there is around 350 components per pcb and i blew up a board last week. been very down since, need to get it working in the enxt week

[hard wolf]

power towers are high voltage power towers IRL. power poles are the power line feeding into your house IRL

[west jackal]

yes it reaches longer

[delicate blade]

Any fix for framegen override? Built-in frameshoots and causea high temps. Without a voodoo ritual before/after you exit the game it crashes.

[hard wolf]

yeah, that's probably a lot more complicated than the UV method can accomodate (I'd probably only suggest it for through hole and if I wanted to build a keyboard or something I'd have to outsource it to a company that can make multilayered PCB's)

[west jackal]

i built a handwired keyboard with a 3d printed backplate. that was fun. this has been nearly a year of work and its not gonna work in the end

[hard wolf]

determination

[west jackal]

to be fair, my handmade keyboard is only 24keys

[west jackal]

we are out of money and time

[hard wolf]

is it a dactyl manuform?

[hard wolf]

I'm sorry to hear that :c

nothing is better than seeing a project come to fruition 😭

[west jackal]

no its just a keyboard that i can fit in my pocket lol

[west jackal]

i got it to spin a motor, but as soon as i add a load to the motor. BOOM (or fire)

[hard wolf]

well I hope a spark of inspiration leads you to fixing it

[west jackal]

i appreciate that. going to try. but between nhrl this weekend and prepping for finals (last semester of uni) ive not got much time. i just need to get it to a state of semi working for the expo (where we show off what we did for our capstone)

[hard wolf]

is the problem the motor or the circuit leading up to it?

also, can you replicate someone else's existing infrastructure in order to create a power supply method that feeds the motor without blowing it up? (something something ctrl+c + ctrl+v ing code off of the internet)

[west jackal]

Not the motor. The Vin on my hbridges catch fire/blow up. Potentially a current shoot through since it works on lower draw motors, but dont see much on wattmeter

[west jackal]

Well ive used current limited psu and batteries, ive been chatting with the guys that made the firmware im using to see if they have any ideas

[hard wolf]

you've probably already though of this, and there are a bunch of variables I don't know about, but it sounds like you need beefier components xwx

[west jackal]

Probably. Using 55A 100V fets and want to pull 40A through them, but i think I should've used the 100A for 40A. Doesn't matter though when it blows up at 10A 🫡

[hard wolf]

are you sure the PCB isn't short circuiting somewhere?

[normal orbit]

4kW thru a circuitboard?

[stray gull]

Got so frustrated w/ pipes & my 8 fuel generators that I had to turn the game off for the night.

Last save, I did 4 & 4 across from each other. No power fluctuations.

This time??

2 and 2, then 2 and 2… Pipes splitting like a dang load balancer. And power is bouncing all over the place

[hard wolf]

3 120 pipes are good for 8 coal plants, but you have to set it up so that 2 of them feed into either end and the other feeds into the middle

[stray gull]

Ah sorry, this is about Fuel generators and Oil extractors.

Earlier this week I WAS fighting with *coal and had to move all 6 of my water extractors

[hard wolf]

oil is definitely definitely different since you can't overflow it into a system like water. I hope you get it figured out xwx

[dense violet]

you effectively cannot load balance pipes

[dense violet]

make a post with overhead shots of your set up in #1038092680493801533

[stray gull]

yuh ty :’(((

last time i had byproduct machines & a packager BEFORE the 4x4 fuel generators,, I wonder if that’s what’s up

[dense violet]

make a post with overhead images, basically impossible to trouble shoot pipes w/o visuals

[hard wolf]

you kind of have to math it out so that so that your inputs match your outputs, and then maybe set a machine or two to standby until everything else overflows

otherwise, you have to wait for the sloshing to level out

[stray gull]

I hear u. Lmk if image is bad & I’ll upload another tmrw #1499305732254728356 message

[cursive topaz]

Guys I have obtianed nuclear power

And automated super computers

With a train no less

Cus choo choo **

[fickle basalt]

is there a way of making a globally aligned train grid?

[cursive crane]

Yea, just assign stations /connect them

[fickle basalt]

or do i just have to build everything connected to the start to make sure the prints line up?

[cursive crane]

[Makes it sound a lot easier than it is]

[normal orbit]

you need to start somewhere

[fickle basalt]

so i can't start a track from a location and have it line up

i.e. i'd always have to start from the pre-existing rail grid?

[cursive crane]

Thers problems to think about when it comes to a global line.
You need to have signals/passing lanes, turning areas, etc setup

You can connect any line to any line. Trains automatically try to find the shortest route

[fickle basalt]

not gonna need passing lanes if i don't do monorail

[fickle basalt]

i'm aware. the question is about alignment

[cursive crane]

Will depend how its done, but you would need signals then

Ah. I see

Can use foundations aligned to the grid

Place on foundations, delete foundations as needed

[normal orbit]

there are ways to align two separate grids, but i get the feeling you want it to be perfectly aligned, so answer there is no

[fickle basalt]

if i design a 5x5 grid print, can i align that so that it aligns to said grid of 5x5 tiles

alr

sadness

[normal orbit]

you can use world grid, but you'll be stuck with 90 degree turns and straight lines only

[fickle basalt]

i was planning of doing that with the option to add 45 degree turns

[normal orbit]

they will be off grid

again, ways to link two grids are there

[cursive crane]

Could probably do something with SCIM interactive map measurements and the world grid, but not entirely sure what you are trying to do. It sounds to me like you want a straight line from one side to the other basically Lol

Everything else is easy enough to measure out using foundations as a measurement from there

[normal orbit]

its infinitely easier to just build from one start location

[fickle basalt]

i've done similar in other games like factorio, so that part should be fine

just a question on if i can align nxn prints globally, but if that's not possible i'll just have to build everything directly connected to the grid in that case

[hard wolf]

friendly reminder that dual the dual rail transcontinental loop is awesome and I posted a picture of all my rail bp's/templates (the t/cross junctions have to be edited bc those don't fit on a mk2 blueprinter) to #screenshots

[normal orbit]

Trying to use same grid for it all is just a kinda bad idea. Start somewhere, then build your tracks to another place, then when you get there, you build that factory on whatever grid you end up when you get there. You're just limiting yourself in weird ways trying to have all on same grid. It doesnt matter cause the only connection the two factories have is the train tracks

[fickle basalt]

i wanna have everything grid aligned though :despair:

i'm here to ruin this world with grids and concrete >:)

[hard wolf]

just view trains as grid agnostic and you'll be fine

[fickle basalt]

also what's up with rail turns being able to be built but if i try to make them 1/8th of a tile longer they suddenly don't anymore

[hard wolf]

they're finnicky. I've found that blueprint auto connect is the best way to tell whether it works or not

[normal orbit]

they have an allowed radius, and making it slightly longer can change it

[reef basin]

Align things to local grids 🙂

[rigid wedge]

Is there a way to make the swamp look less like misery and sadness without mods?

[next ivy]

concrete all over it

[fickle basalt]

flatten it and concrete it.

fixit does not condone nature

[rigid wedge]

No

Would that even influence the color filter thing?

[next ivy]

youve said nothing about a color filter before

[rigid wedge]

If you go near the swamp you will notice everything even not the swamp looks like misery and sadness colorless

[robust wigeon]

#screenshots message @fossil spoke there is a location at the top of a mountain that gives you an achievement for climbing all the way up there, cuz it’s the tallest natural terrain in the entire map… and it is easy to identify, I can point to it on a map no problem, just sayin’… the spot you picked is not a bad spot either, though, and probably your best bet for grassy fields.

[robust wigeon]

Pillars and beams can be built such that they stretch from arbitrary point A to arbitrary point B without needing the world grid to be involved at all, and you can align foundations to beams, this makes all transitions smooth, though I still recommend using the world grid anyway when there’s no downside to it, cuz it’s just more convenient overall

[gaunt flame]

how do i fix the bug where like after 6-8 hours my friend cant join my world unless i fully quit and restart the game

[fickle basalt]

how can i change the direction of signals

it just refuses to go into the opposite direction

[dense violet]

you'd probably have to look at mods or console commands.
I'd just use spot lights and build somewhat above the terain on pylons. Make hte most of hte lighting

[normal orbit]

build it wrong, then you can place it right, and delete wrong one

[rigid wedge]

Main issue is that the lighting effect sets in when I’m just near it not really in it and it’s bothering me a bit when my screen randomly looks like it’s sad

[cursive crane]

Have you tried antidepressants?

[fickle basalt]

and now they're "looping into itself" even when they clearly aren't :/

[dense violet]

xD I mean you'll know when you're moving to the swamp right? not very random

You coudl also just not leave the swamp. There's everything you need to go to tier 9 I think there

[rigid wedge]

Yes they make everything look like misery and sadness do not recommend

[rigid wedge]

Nonono I’m building in the nice beautiful biome next to it

Close to the edge

[dense violet]

Swamp is made of love

[rigid wedge]

Did witches curse it’s swampline or something out of jealousy?

[dense violet]

no idea! just a lovely happy place 🙂

[kind crypt]

Does someone has instant crash with launching since this morning ? ty

[fiery root]

The only beautiful biome is the one who has a Ton of machineries in it

[dense violet]

yes you can check out #1038092680493801533

[rigid wedge]

So basically none?

Surely even the smelter weighs more than a ton

[fiery root]

With ton i meant the amount

[rigid wedge]

I misunderstood that on purpose

I guess you build build a tree out of machines

And a river of blue colored machines

I think I’m getting somewhere

[fiery root]

I see
Thought my english was somewhat wrong with my statement

[rigid wedge]

Idk I’m german too so I probably would make the same mistakes as you

[fickle basalt]

why do rails not turn at a continuous angle and instead do some wonky bending stuff that makes the "angle too steep" in spots where the bend should totally be possible?

[rigid wedge]

When you look very closely they sometimes also aren exactly where they should be but only off by such a small amount you barely notice it

[fickle basalt]

there should lowkey be a way to adjust the way it bends, i.e. place the two endpoints, and then allow us to "drag" the bend to make it possible

because right now it just feels very tedious to place rails in a way where they don't choose the one and only way to bend that makes it impossible to place

[rigid wedge]

agree

rails was mostly fine for me but with the vehicle paths in 1.2 exp its acting very sus at times

[dense violet]

are you building on foundations?

[fickle basalt]

#screenshots message how exactly does this "loop into itself"

[fickle basalt]

happens both on and off foundations

[dense violet]

show what you're trying to do in a post in #1038092680493801533 its very easy to control rails on foundations

[reef basin]

• use #1038092680493801533 , not channel that is for showing off builds and we can't write there
• show bigger image with segment colors

[fickle basalt]

done

[wet moon]

is it better to use Rubber and Plastic then Residual Fuel or the opposite?

also why does Packaged fuel have less stack energy than Solid biofuel, its not even worth it to turn the stuff into liquid Biofuel or to use regular fuel for any reason

[true mulch]

Better for what?

[wet moon]

more product out of each crude oil

[true mulch]

Biofuel can't be automated. Packaged fuel is the second worst jetpack fuel behind solid biofuel, anything else is better

[wet moon]

oh lol, i guess i just need to unlock more stuff then

does the max fuel per recharge change with other fuel types?

[true mulch]

Heavy oil residue alt, diluted fuel alt (for fuel)
Heavy oil residue alt, diluted fuel alt, residual rubber+plastic, recycled rubber+plastic alts (for plastic/rubber)

[true mulch]

Different fuels last different durations

[wet moon]

ah sick, thats the reason to the stuff then

[wet moon]

Thanks mate

Dont have any of those yet lol

[fluid sapphire]

petition for animal traps to allow full automation of biofuel

new building: incinerator trap - dispenses food so animals walk in, then get cooked, presto, biofuel

the bigger the creature that walks in, the longer it burns

in fact, more creature variety to support this system

[fickle basalt]

just play with a friend and put them on biofuel refuelling duty

[fluid sapphire]

higher population density

[fickle basalt]

that's also fully automated (for you, at least)

[fluid sapphire]

ah, well, you see...

that would require me to have a friend

[fickle basalt]

ah shit.

surely if you loop yourself often enough in a hypertube cannon you'll break reality and create a copy of yourself

[fluid sapphire]

i will have to build a hadron collider for this

hey, i think i have seen this storyline before somewhere...

[fickle basalt]

it's quite a simple riddle

the working principle of a hadron collider

[cinder notch]

Theres a mod that allows for extraction of biomass from limestone that more or less makes sense. Crap, is mod talk allowed here?

[fluid sapphire]

believe it or not, straight to jail

[tough dock]

yall whats the best alternates for turbofuel production without out blenders or the annoying packaged diluted fuel and most efficient way of producing turbo fuel.

[tough dock]

Particle accelerator?

[fluid sapphire]

turbofuel is just kind of bad if you are not using any form of diluted fuel

[tough dock]

my bad forgot to delete that part

[fluid sapphire]

you are probably better off not making turbo fuel at all and just sticking to diluted packaged fuel

[tough dock]

yall whats the best alternates for turbofuel production without out blenders and most efficient way of producing turbo fuel.

[fluid sapphire]

recipe chain HOR, then packaged diluted fuel

well you dont have a lot of options without blenders, turbo heavy is terrible

HOR -> diluted packaged fuel -> default turbofuel

[tough dock]

so floydson's video is void?

[fluid sapphire]

i have no idea what that video entails

i dont watch any sf content creators

[rigid wedge]

theres only 3 turbo fuel recipes. you can just pick which one you want

[dense violet]

this https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1498996823132475543

[tough dock]

he used hor then turbo heavy

[dense violet]

is there something you're confused about from your post ?

[fluid sapphire]

poor oil efficiency

its simpler but you get less out of it

[tough dock]

yeah, i like to gather opinions to make an informed decision, I already started building but im just double checking with others

[rigid wedge]

I been using the regular one with packaged diluted fuel and it was a lot more effort

[fluid sapphire]

turbo fuel already sits in an awkward spot

[dense violet]

that literally covered all the options PLUS gave you the tools to check yourself, including pre made plans xD

[tough dock]

sf content creators make it out to be amazing

[rigid wedge]

its nice for vehicles and drones

[dense violet]

content creators are shit

[rigid wedge]

decent fuel value and doesnt need fluid cans

[dense violet]

and make things for clicks

[fluid sapphire]

nothing rocket fuel cant do better

[rigid wedge]

needs alu, is later etc

ofc its better technically

[rough crest]

does anyone know all the ratios to make a nuclear power plant of 600 uranium/min?

[fluid sapphire]

not that much later to justify using turbo fuel

you can rush the unlocks

[rough crest]

please point me to some resource cause i dont want to calculate everything from scratch on my own ahahah

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=8quzlgcMoJM7APNoXCEa

look at the plan

[fluid sapphire]

my point is between diluted packaged and rocket fuel, turbo fuel is an awkward middle child you can easily skip

[rigid wedge]

always rushing to the next upgrade and only doing the absolute most efficient stuff is kinda boring

[dense violet]

eh, rocket fuel is very skipable too

[fluid sapphire]

it is, but we are talking fuel power here

[dense violet]

yup diluted is great. Can easily finish tier 9 with it

[tough dock]

the problem is, im low on power, have nothing above motors or modular frames (no computers, circuit boards, heavy modular frames) I only managed to get past tier 7 (-control system development) because of hard drive sites

[rough crest]

ohhh ty so much exactly what i needed

[fluid sapphire]

diluted packaged fuel will get you where you need to go

[rigid wedge]

thats the downside of rushing past everything

[dense violet]

sounds like you need to automate parts and shut down other sections of your factory

or just make a bunch of basic coal power to tide you over

[rough crest]

build more power I have 2 coal power plants and they have carried me up to advanced tier 8

[rigid wedge]

or sneako in some thermal generators

[tough dock]

most of my factories are off except for the modular frame factory since it sinks, I should have enough to at least get diluted packaged fuel up and running with 5000 megawatts

[fluid sapphire]

yeah if you dont have stuff like computers and HMF you have bigger problems

[rough crest]

my computers suck so much i should upgrade

[dense violet]

by the time mk3 belts exist you can very easily do that and more with coal powershrug

[rough crest]

i have like 10/min and use 30/min lol

[fluid sapphire]

mathematically impossible?

[rough crest]

no i mean the demand is higher than production

so its just everythign slower no?

[fluid sapphire]

if your machines are starving then you are techincally not using 30/min

[tough dock]

I can get 2700 fuel soon, and around 7200 at full oil utilization

so do I just get the 2700 and leave it and expand when I need to?

[fluid sapphire]

if you burn all that its close to 34GW, thats a decent chunk of power

[tough dock]

around 136 generators (34GW)

[tough dock]

I do need to refill an fuel reserve for my jet pack though so not all of it will be available

[fluid sapphire]

imo regular fuel is absolutely trash for the jetpack

no lift to speak of, burn time absolutely abysmal

better to use liquid bio

[tough dock]

I was using tf a bit.

[fluid sapphire]

turbo is OK for lift

[glass turtle]

Okay. Tier 4 belts are not going to be enough forever for my resin. 5 refineries making fuel and i just made 20 making heavy residue for coke and watered down fuel. Not gonna make watered down fuel anytime soon, so most of t he heavy residue will go unused but once its used thatd total 650 resin

[tough dock]

I had a temporary tf packager but it was handfed plastic

[fluid sapphire]

you dont really need a permanent production for jetpack fuel honestly

i made a container full of fuel at one point like 1000 hours ago

[rough crest]

what i did for computer was kind of complicated but fun: oil is 2km from base so i package oil i run it packaged with conveyor to my base then the empty canister go back to the oil wells in a circle so i always use the same now the oil is in base i process it in refineries to make plastic and then make computers. I did this cause I have no idea how liquids work I heard it's kind of random so i thought use conveyors but expanding this is basically impossible cause I already overclocked everything to 250% so precisely i have 900 crude/min which should theoretically max a conveyor mk5 at 780 barrels/min which should get all unpacked and fed into refineries. What i could do to squeeze as much as possible I guess is to add more refineries up until the oil can't keep up so im sure im using all the throughput assuming all machines are active cause like some computer are theoretically split still to make some parts I will not need anymore so it fills up and actually I get them for other stuff so it's not so bad right?

[glass turtle]

jetpack fuel? Nah, thats not for the jetpack, fuel is for power

[tough dock]

ik, but i was stupid and deleted 2 industrial container reserves....

[rough crest]

now i realized that I could just make some more computers on site at the oil and just ship them to the base lol

[glass turtle]

biofuel is for the jetpack

liquid biofuel that is

[tough dock]

what about rocket fuel and ionized fuel?

[fluid sapphire]

what about them

[glass turtle]

Not things i can make yet

[tough dock]

are they good for fuel power/jetpack

[rough crest]

I think my approach although in this instance is really complicated but worth it in the end is good for starters cause you can't expected to build a base made of different modules spread out across the map cause you just don't have resources

[blazing parcel]

Am I weird, I went from coal to diluted fuel then skipped turbo and am working on nuclear. My jet pack still has solid biofuel in it.

[rough crest]

reminds me of how you rush factorio end game and then transition into city blocks xD

[fluid sapphire]

if you have rocket fuel already its not a big leap to produce some ionized for jetpack use, for power production, ionized takes work to make it power positive, its easier to stick to just rocket fuel

[glass turtle]

ionized fuel is not good for fuel afaik, rocket fuel is. Both is good for the jetpack

[fluid sapphire]

wild, there is still half a container left

really must have been like 800 hours ago that i made that

[rough crest]

wow 600 uranium/min -> 6 rods/min -> 75000MW that's a lot of power

if i build this im set forever

wondering though how much is net power

[fluid sapphire]

if you dont go crazy with scale, probably yeah

if you are using tools if you click on the power tab that should give you an estimation

its in the overview as well

[rough crest]

I cant send an image here whatever

rn i have consumption 5GW production 7.5GW (between 7 and 8 something) and max consumption 13GW

so i think that plant will set me forever yeah ahahha

[fluid sapphire]

13MW? thats what, 3 constructors?

[glass turtle]

You will have waste to deal with though. In the real world, natural uranium and fresh fuel rods you can touch without protective gear no problem, its an alpha emitter, doesnt get through your skin, and you might if you work in the fiel, depleted rods with all those decay products, different story. Anyways, thats where plutonium comes from in the game. Gives you a bit more power as well of course to utilize that waste.

[rough crest]

oh wait ahahah no multiply everything by 1000 mb

ok now it's better xd

[rough crest]

interesting

I was thinking of sinking the waste lol

[fluid sapphire]

yeah cant do that

[rough crest]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[fluid sapphire]

if you want to get rid of it you have to process it into plutonium rods at minimum, those you can sink

my strat is something like this for processing the waste

#screenshots message

i mean those all just default recipes

[rough crest]

ok building a nuclear power plant is harder than i thought

[subtle flume]

Are batteries still relevant? I used to make them to power drones, but once they allowed other fuel types, I haven't made them since.

[hard ivy]

not really, no

they've even been removed from the magnetic field generator recipe

[fluid sapphire]

@sudden tide i think i know this one, its the blue screen of death

[sudden tide]

i had to revert by 5 mins

[fluid sapphire]

5 minutes is not so bad :p

[fluid sapphire]

it can help if you chop it up into smaller pieces #screenshots message

[rough crest]

yeah ill just start building it so that it's expandable leaving a lot of space

I dont think i even have enough power right now to start all the machines from raw materials to rod before burning it

[fluid sapphire]

build power storage

they have infinite discharge rate

[rough crest]

actually good idea

I could build the whole thing in like 2 days or something and then start it when i have a lot of batteries full

and once the rods start to be processed I dont need the storage anymore and boom infinite power

to turn it on like a switch i can connect everything and leave just a single wire to connect to my main power grid so everything starts at once

[sudden tide]

are u still in elevator missions or the aftergame?

[rough crest]

i am about to start making fused modules or whatever they are called

i need to get the nitrogen

[sudden tide]

yeah u gonna do fine just a little tip: leave it open ended or atleast make sure unused resources will be available to future plants

i high key fucked up starting biome

[rough crest]

yeah ty for tip

[sudden tide]

and i aint touching shit there, removing 1 conveyor belt might collapse whole save lol

[rough crest]

rn it's kind of a mess in starting biome for me as well but honestly im progressing so im not complaining

there could be a big project when i unlock miner mk3 and fully overclock them to split the base in optimized modules that make each component in abundance

[fluid sapphire]

meh, you dont need to fully tap previously tapped nodes

there are enough resources on the map to not worry about it

[rough crest]

I came back a couple of times on my previous nodes right now they are all mk2 250% decently used

I thought i made the most out of them

[sudden tide]

bauxite enters the chat

[fluid sapphire]

even bauxite, for the average player

[rough crest]

bauxite i have 480/min but the problem is water to make aluminum

[sudden tide]

its enough to finish the game, not to practice minecraft

[fluid sapphire]

obviously if you're min-maxing near resource limits you have to consider it

[rough crest]

cause recycling the water is so slow i hate pipes

[fluid sapphire]

most people are not

[rough crest]

and if i dont do the perfect ratio of water it just clogs

so idk even bauxite is in abundance

i have heard that copper is the real endgame problem for nuclear pasta tho

[fluid sapphire]

dont merge fresh and byproduct water

[sudden tide]

oh yeah gonna find it soon

[fluid sapphire]

there are endless threads about this on #1038092680493801533

[sudden tide]

built a 40 heavy frame /min factory in grassy fields (barely)

now gonna try to make nuclear pasta here

atp i think ill use trains

[fluid sapphire]

you really only need a lot of copper if you are making a lot of nuclear pasta for whatever reason, you dont need much to comfortably finish phase 5

[rough crest]

ty i will have a look i guess I thought orinally of only 2 solutions 1. recycle just as im doing but slow down the uptime by a lot 2. sink the byproduct water but it's just too much plastic for the canisters

[fluid sapphire]

usual advice is to direct the byproduct water to a separate set of refineries

[normal orbit]

recycling it is fine, but you need to do it in a very specific way, which most dont know how to

[rough crest]

I wish it was like heavy oil byproduct when making plastic you can just burn that into power all the timem

[fluid sapphire]

alternatively you can just try to do something more useful with the water

packaging and sinking is probably the single worst option

[rough crest]

I used 2 valves 240 water/min from 2 pumps fresh water and 480/min water coming from the other 4 refineries so yeah that's definitely wrong

[normal orbit]

instant scrap is pretty goated, since the the water output exaktly matches the water needed for the sulfuric acid :p

[rough crest]

but it works Im on dedicated server and it never clogged since i did like this

[rough crest]

the thing is making a system that relies on the other is such a headache i like to think that one system has input output and thats it

cause what if my other system to consume that water stops then also my aluminum production stops

i like recycling cause it's still self contained

[glass turtle]

Im not there yet and last time i played the game was in 2022, but wasnt there a way to prioritize inputs of fluids just as there is with solids?

[rough crest]

I have no idea

[fluid sapphire]

not one thats perfectly reliable

[rough crest]

I just use a pipe junction whener i need to input into a machine

[normal orbit]

kind of, the vip junction, but it relies on a buggy behaviour, so might get patched some day

[rough crest]

and i feed that pipe from pumps in uniform ways if you get what i mean

[fluid sapphire]

you just build it so it doesnt stop

but i use the caveman solution myself

all my water goes to pure ingots

[rough crest]

like if i have a pipe with 6 junctions i put another junction in the middle and then that is the input pipe from like pumps

so i guess it spreads correctly? i have no idea

[glass turtle]

Even outside of that though, if you do recycle and you ensure all products are constantly used (overflow into sink), you just have to underclock your water pump so it provides exactly the deficit

[fluid sapphire]

it doesnt

[rough crest]

lol idk then

dev pls fix fluids

[fluid sapphire]

fluids are OK

not perfect but they are perfectly usable

just strict in some ways in how you are expected to build

[fickle basalt]

what we lowkey need is some sort of circuitry that allows turning off e.g. the water pump if a fluid tank is above a certain level

[fluid sapphire]

we dont need that

[rough crest]

i wish they were just like conveyors

or instant like factorio

[fickle basalt]

old factorio fluid was even more jank than fluid here

[normal orbit]

if they were like conveyors, you could just remove them and go back to the prepackaged stuff we had in early access befoe pipes were added

[fickle basalt]

lowkey what about machines accepting packaged fluids

[rough crest]

My dream

I would package everything and call it a day ahahah

Built in unpacker

[fluid sapphire]

you can, but it will cost you

[dense violet]

just send the empties back if yo uwant to do that

[rigid wedge]

I have just been using the valve things if I wanted to only have x amount go through a pipe

[dense violet]

avoid them. They don't actually do anything

and can mess your flow bad

[rigid wedge]

They don’t limit throughput and prevents fluids moving through them to the back side?

[cinder notch]

They do, its just that if your pipes are so complex that they need them, its not gonna be a fun experience for you.

[dense violet]

they do limit throughput , kinda

but if you say ... need 225 fluid pm in a system, and you set a valve to 225, whats' the point?
the system already limits the flow to 225 since that's all it's using

[dense violet]

they also don't technically stop back flow

since fluid in FRONT of the valve can knock the fluid BEHIND them backwards

[rigid wedge]

I use it for my blenders making nitric acid and blended silica

[dense violet]

so while fluid doesn't move through it, it still gets teh knock back effect, which is all you care about

at best they do nothing, at worst they cause issues

[rigid wedge]

And have all on 1 pump

[cinder notch]

Imho the easiest way to do valves in this game is to understand gravity and gravity-related priority and work from there but im probably nuts.

[dense violet]

VIPs are an exploit and aren't reliable

also you use pumps on those

[floral trellis]

i tried some VIPs for an alu plant yesterday. helped a bunch with using waste water to make alu-solution, then ensuring that machine stayed empty

[dense violet]

sure but they are a bit of a coin flip on them working or not

the direction of the junction built can break them, and apparently the number of pipe sections used can kill them too

[rigid wedge]

my biggest enemy is the voices in my head

as long as it works im good and if not i know where to look first

also imo the packager is kinda the most ocd approved machine in the game so im fine using that if i have to on scale too

[winged root]

Do you guys use drone hubs to refuel your tractor stations?

[fluid sapphire]

hubs?

i for one do feed my trucks with drones

[winged root]

Well, refuel drones

[fluid sapphire]

some use trains, or other trucks

drones are just bloody convenient

[winged root]

Fair

I have to set up tractors as the 2 materials are just too far for belts but not so far that trains or drones would be good

[fluid sapphire]

i dont know why you would use tractors when you have trucks though

[normal orbit]

cuz tractors are available earlier

[fluid sapphire]

they mentioned drones so based on that i assumed that availability is not an issue

[winged root]

Honestly I have used all modes of transport except trucks and tractors, hence I didn’t know that trucks have extra space

[fluid sapphire]

well you unlock them later so

increased top speed, better acceleration too

[normal orbit]

also less prone to flip, but thats less of an issue in 1.2 :p

[winged root]

Welp thank you for the help, I’ll get to building the highway