satisfactory

[south lion]

😰

I think lifespan is more but u will probably upgrade the parts before that 10 years

[faint willow]

Eh, depends. I'm willing to admit I could be a bit outta the loop, I built this PC in like mid-2020. Just seemed at the time 5-6 was the batting average, but with the right care and maintenance, keeping things clean, you could get some good mileage out of that.

[mild mango]

is the map infinite and randomly generated

[reef basin]

no and no

[mild mango]

wait really its fixed?

[reef basin]

yes

apart from deposits, which sometimes are randomly chosen

[faint willow]

Do the splitters and mergers match the speed of the belts or are they hard-capped?

[dense violet]

no cap

[faint willow]

Thank god

[cursive crane]

Which to make really clear, deposits are the little rocks you find around the map, not the nodes, which are the resources you mine out of the ground

Everything else is set

[normal orbit]

1.2 will introduce random nodes

[finite mirage]

i just unlocked smart splitters, but there's still like 400MW of unused energy, how do i check which factories are idle

[normal orbit]

go and find the yellow poles

[finite mirage]

is there a way to notify myself if my factories start working on backup power

[next ivy]

why would there be, its so unimportant

[finite mirage]

wym?? that's so important, u would be unaware if u are using more than u can produce

i find that quite important

[stark blade]

yo i just come back from a few day holiday
WE ACTUIALY BULIED THE DEVS WITH SO MANY ELEVATED ONE MEMES THAT ITS NOW A F**KING EMOJI XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[finite mirage]

[stark blade]

elevated indeed

elevated so high that it pleased the developers and caused a new emoji

and im not goanna blame you if you dont believe me

but someone dang near a week ago sent a flying tractor image

and i
in responce sent the "do not question the elevated one" meme

[reef basin]

afaik it pops a notification?

[stark blade]

and it started the string of endless elevated one meme edits to this day

[finite mirage]

oh? didn't see one

[stark blade]

or possibily (most definitialy) has happened before but i know that after i sent my one there was a flood of edits soooooo

[finite mirage]

petition to make the stack size for modular frames higher goddamnit

[normal orbit]

there is a message on the right showing its running on battery power with time left

[leaden turret]

#1201555265942724758 and ask people to just sit there and watch

[mild mango]

Why is there a pod timer everytime I hit a milestone what happens after it runs out

[leaden turret]

it comes back

[mild mango]

Yeah but does it do anything it says exchange complete

[leaden turret]

you can't unlock any new milestones until it comes back

[mild mango]

Ohh

[finite mirage]

all ur constructors blow up

[mild mango]

wait really?

[finite mirage]

nah im messing with u dude xD

[cursive crane]

#1449014435174940693 not hard to ask them

[fresh dagger]

hey, im returning from a long break, more than a year. do you guys think i should start a new world ( ive never finished the space project thing, but i got to phase 4. I dont like the idea of grinding trhough the very start again but i would definitely be a little lost in my previous game ( which was already a restart too)). what should i do guys ? thanks

[stoic salmon]

I'm very new to the game and trying to learn with as little looking up as possible, I've just setup an 8 x coal gen to produce power and I thought it would be ages before I had to upgrade, but I just built a fairly sizable factory that will soon exceed its production, what's the next stage for power production after this?

[fresh dagger]

double itt

[stoic salmon]

Fair

What is the next energy after coal tho

[next ivy]

oil

[stoic salmon]

And when's it unlocked

[next ivy]

stage 5 ish ?

[stoic salmon]

Oh so before phase 3

That works I'm close to finishing phase 2

[dense violet]

coal power can keep you going until like tier 7 very easily

[cursive crane]

If you build a ton of it

[dense violet]

find 4 nodes of coal next to water - burn it all in like 32 gens
when you get mk3 belts? turn it to 64

[cursive crane]

Much easier to MAX build oil as soon as you hit it

[stoic salmon]

I'm just struggling for space really I built in the starter area and really like the look of the area

Want to wait till later on before I move really

[cursive crane]

Time to spread out

[cursive crane]

Your choice, but to me it sounds like you already made up your mind, you just dont know it

[dense violet]

if you build multiple floors you have infinite space. But also doing everything in one spot when you're new will probably get messy fast

[stoic salmon]

What's the best way to travel between places

[cursive crane]

Hypertube cannon network

[next ivy]

power lines

[stoic salmon]

Do I need to do the launch thing where it sends me at mach 4 or just tubes everywhere

[cursive crane]

But takes a blueprint and a bit of commitment

Zip lines and crouch jumping with blade runners is 2nd best

[fresh dagger]

ok im gonna visit my own world haha and see if its too much to handle. i guess the game really unlocks after finishing the space project right ? thats why i wanted to reach that asap

[cursive crane]

You can just do tubes but cannon makes it infinetely better

[dense violet]

tupes is fine, hyper cannons work based off an exploit

[stoic salmon]

I'm fine using cannon tbf

I used it once to get the circuit boards at a crash site ages away

[cursive crane]

Its perfectly fine to start over and keep the old save, you can always go back and edit

[stoic salmon]

Also is it worth making blueprints or while I'm still learning just keep manually doing it

[cursive crane]

Make it a blueprint, look up how to make junctions, and youll be fine

[reef basin]

train

[stoic salmon]

Fair

[cursive crane]

Always worth it to make blueprints though. Just think "am I gonna have to make this build area more than 2-3 times?" Make it a blueprint

Massive time saver when done right

Highly suggest a smelter blueprint that fits as many smelters as possible, and a foundry blueprint that does the same

You can fit 4 foundries in basic blueprint machine and belt it all up so all you gotta do later is connect input/outputs

[keen sapphire]

wit would be nice yeah also sorry for this being late in the chat

[fresh dagger]

is the fact my save was pre 1.1 a problem ?

[cursive crane]

Nope. Always backup your saves, but it should automatically work

[fresh dagger]

ok. so the new nodes rarity etc doesnt affect my factories then

[cursive crane]

Uhh

That will. Depends what was changed since

If nodes were changed the relevent miners may break

But the save should still work, youll just have to do some fixin

[fresh dagger]

okay thanks for the help

i also went from fullhd 60 hz low to 2k 200hz ultra and omg its crazy haha

[cursive crane]

iirc not much has changed in that way since 1.0, but if its pre 1.0... you might be better off restarting lol

[fresh dagger]

was like 1.5 years ago mighht have been pre 1.0 yes

[cursive crane]

Either way should be able to load it up and check for yourself, but make sure to back it up first

[south canyon]

Satisfactory 2

[mortal ginkgo]

no.

[south canyon]

🐦‍⬛

[keen sapphire]

do slugs respown?

[leaden turret]

no

[zenith pecan]

Not supposed to, no.

[keen sapphire]

okay will I just pickup a slug that I know I picked up yesterday

[zenith pecan]

Hence not supposed to, but they have sometimes come back, that's a bug.

[keen sapphire]

ok thanks for clearing that up for me

[zenith pecan]

I've had sloops and spheres repop in a couple of locations, and they all globally returned once after 1.0

[keen sapphire]

ok thanks

can I make a new custom colour?

[south lion]

Guys why if I sloop a machine it only doubles the second thing it crafts?

I lost a couple shards this way

[leaden turret]

can't alter the current cycle

it alters next cycle

<@&370483737957236737> re: desire to get people to use the QA Site more often than flinging you both random shit, any thoughts as to doing a QA Site Highlights segment on the dev stream?

[void gorge]

Audience is too small for that to have any desirable effect I think

[leaden turret]

referring to the recurring feeling people have that QA Site posts get no visibility (because the volume means no time to give tailored responses)

was thinking a mix of:

• posts that devs want to give feedback on
• posts that you / jason found interesting
• "how not to write a QA Site post" / "what not to write a QA Site post about"

there's an old meme in the community about "multiplayer broken, plz fix" where people complain about something not working without providing any specifics

if not segment, video / short maybe?

[void gorge]

Mega bluntly, I read the QA-site every so often but don't scour it thoroughly, so point 2 would be acting. Point 1, yeah, could be nice having anyone from the QA team give feedback ala points 1 and 3

[mild mango]

when do i unlock coal ;-; im almost out of trees and leaves in my area

[void gorge]

The feeling posts don't get seen is ultimately just that, a feeling, and I'm pretty sure I haven't missed saying that every single post does get read by the relevant ppl (Guru/Andrea/Uzu) on a single stream these past months

[obsidian zodiac]

this would be a worthwhile idea when we inevitably update the QA site, its a nice stream idea to promote using the site ^^

[void gorge]

Funny thing, Jason is pitching right now internally that making a video might be a good idea

[leaden turret]

-# @obsidian zodiac on a related note, stick a goatee on the Pioneer helmet for mirror universe Jason S. Pioneer writing bad qa site posts

[winged root]

Pardon but where can I find a vertical pipeline junction?

Nvm, finally figured it out, need a pipe first

[normal orbit]

Wall works too

[dense violet]

or you can place them on a wall

or probably on the side of other objects

[winged root]

Mm ok I’ll test it out more then, will probably be useful for the pile works I have ahead

[echo burrow]

it really does feel like nobody relevant sees your post though
if the relevant people really do see them, maybe some sort of read indicator would help? something like "seen by CS staff" or "seen by [blank]"

[uneven path]

I highly recommend making a blueprint of this, and also vertical pipeline punps. It makes life so much easier.

[obsidian zodiac]

there are quite a lot of tickets and very few QA team members unfortunately. they try to keep tickets updated but plenty do fall thru the cracks. thats a nice idea and something i'll document in the case of updating the QA site

[cursive crane]

Dont like the idea of suggesting them more work, im sure they got lots to do

But even if its not something they would do to every post, maybe just a checkmark only they can hit that says "checked by QA" or something

Could be worded differently maybe so it doesnt imply other things arent checked lol

"Highlighted" maybe

[echo burrow]

yeah, I understand that there's a ton of feedback, a lot of which isn't even helpful, and I really don't how you could fix that fundamental flaw

[rigid wedge]

Things I wish I knew 200 hours ago:

[split trench]

We try to mark things as known issue

[latent prawn]

hey, since i see you active, in case you haven't received the feedback yet, the ficsit style foundation/wall/roof bug wasn't fixed in yesterday's patch

[fiery root]

Some Overall tipps for a fellow fella who just Finisher the tutorial (Phase 2)

[latent prawn]

tutorial is over when you unlock aluminum 😉

[dense violet]

tutorial is over whne you finish tier 9

[latent prawn]

anyway, finishing phase 2 means you're ready for oil. as far as that goes, building a small rubber/plastic build and sinking/burning the coke byproduct is the way to go

[nocturne prairie]

phase 2

[simple pebble]

You can also use animal remains to make biomass for fuel

[fresh quarry]

If you have a train with two carriages, can you have a train drop off 1 item at one stop and then the second item at another?

[simple pebble]

Yeah. You can say which items a train loads and unloads at each station

[bold widget]

What some of the new mods you folks are thing of adding to 1.2 once it goes stable.

[fiery root]

Alrighty so oil pollution it is

[keen sapphire]

is there a video on how to do the loading and unloading?

[fiery root]

U never get rid of your biofuel

[simple pebble]

I've not seen one myself, but in the train's options you can set these for each station you tell it to stop at

[keen sapphire]

ah thank you

[fresh quarry]

yeah but what if you have two items in a freight platform

[simple pebble]

That's fine

[fiery root]

I needa build a solid steel factory
Seems like quite a bit things demand steel

[simple pebble]

You just need to be careful about how they're loaded and make sure there's somewhere sinking them

You probably won't want to sushi stuff like high volume ores but factory products are perfect for this

[glass turtle]

Is velocity ever a problem? Fall damage exists, but what if i move at high velocity into a wall?

Say, at a hypertube exit

[south lion]

Well that sucks

[wise lily]

From what i know you only splat on the ground, you should be fine if you hit a wall or roof

[ornate saffron]

you can use jelly pads to reduce momentum on tube exits if needed

[bitter lodge]

Mach 10 into a wall. You live. Mach 10 into the ground. You are fucked.

[fluid sapphire]

min maxing your shards is overrated, you can make 5000+ with the slugs on the map, losing a few is not really a problem

[simple pebble]

Yeah if I prime a constructor I do it with blue slugs

[bitter lodge]

Tier 9 unlock you can make power shards with just oil, iron and nitrogen as well.

[reef basin]

they are infinite anyway

[south lion]

Ig

[south lion]

Damn didn't know it was that much

Ig i just gotta finally give up my slugs to unlock the scanner for em and find some more

[vernal vortex]

Are 30 motors per minute plenty or should i aim for 50?

[south lion]

I have 50 and it's too much

[fluid sapphire]

plenty for what

[south lion]

So depends on what ofc but generally it's fine

[fluid sapphire]

if you want an answer about an unknown future, well, who knows

the only way to know if its enough for the future is to actually plan for the future

[south lion]

Yes so basically make more than you'll ever need

[glass turtle]

Very well then

thx

Power is taken care off for a while for me. 4300MW production, 4760 capacity, 2516 max consumptin

Yeah just tapped my first oil

[south lion]

Sweet

I'm gonna be upgrading my powerplant to a turbo fuel one soon enough

[bitter lodge]

If you can make it. Go for rocket

[reef basin]

*nuclear

[fluid sapphire]

*both

[south lion]

Don't i need like nitrogen for that or sum

[reef basin]

imo doesn't make sense to go both

[fluid sapphire]

why not, power is power

[glass turtle]

resin does go into an as of yet untapped storage but with smart splitter sending overflow into a sink

[south lion]

Go big or go home

[fluid sapphire]

right, doing both gets you more power than doing just one

[glass turtle]

Thats just with one overclocked normal node tapped into. Theres some pure and some that i believe is fracking or such later nearby. Perfect place to build my main factory as it is all by a large ocean, perfect for making wet cement, pure iron and copper...

[south lion]

Not if u make a nuclear plant that uses all the resources in the world to generate 1 gazillion mw

[reef basin]

doing either will most likely give you enough power for rest of your save

[glass turtle]

How does the world border work btw?

[reef basin]

so imo no reason to do both

[fluid sapphire]

for most people probably

given the game's sandbox nature producing a lot of power can be a goal all on its own

[normal orbit]

you take damage past it

[fluid sapphire]

i know for myself, my goal is to cross the 1TW line

do i need that much power to finish the game? easily not. will i figure out some fun uses for it? probably

[reef basin]

or die instantly, depending on where you are

[placid stirrup]

Hypertube Hadron Collider sounds like a fun post game project

[fluid sapphire]

dont need much power for that

[minor spire]

does someone have any guide i could follow for phase 2 completion?

[glass turtle]

Yeah, i think ill move my base to over here. By base i mean my space elevator and hub

Western ocean. Plenty of space to cover the ocean in concrete for a big factory. And plenty of water

[reef basin]

listen to ADA, play the game

following guides would make it so that you don't learn anything

[dense violet]

just pick a milestone, automate the parts it asks for

[normal orbit]

not to be rude, but if you need a guide for phase 2, you're gonna have issues with 3 and 4

[minor spire]

i do agree

[dense violet]

literally just pick a milestone xD

[fluid sapphire]

"pick a milestone and automate" can basically get you through the entire game

[ornate saffron]

I make what i need where i need it.

if i need 20 motors for a more adanved part i make the twenty in the factory for the advanced part

[vernal vortex]

it would only be for building purposes like refineries and fuel gens

[lucid bloom]

For self use I'd say 30 motors /min is plenty

[reef basin]

probably even overkill

but classic "make what you need now, don't bother about future"

[lucid bloom]

As long as your not building 100x refineries you should be fine

[fluid sapphire]

i made 30 and as helpful as it was for building generators, its way overkill just as a building supply

but if you do make that many and need a handful of motors later for something small, its nice to know you have a supply, so its not all wasted effort

[vernal vortex]

i need like 600 gens and 100+ refineries

[abstract heron]

whelp this might be annoying hrs wise

19,400 hrs on record

only 600hrs more to go <@&370483737957236737> and when you going to adress the big memorys in the game? as RAM goes?

[lucid bloom]

I'd say you could build 30/min and while motors are producing build other things like the piping or the platform

Building it to 50/min could be useful for later for the Modular Engine

[vernal vortex]

Alright thanks

[ornate saffron]

then 5/min is likely fine. feed them to a Industrial storage. then feed a dimensional depot from the industrial storage

[fluid sapphire]

if building a lot of generators probably better to have a few extra containers

for 600 generators you need almost 4 ISC full of motors

[ornate saffron]

small quantities being produced can feed large projects. its about storing many as you use them in bursts. You may build 1000 fuel generators then not touch them for 50 plus hors

[restive umbra]

Whenever I’m not making enough of something I simply make more of it

[fluid sapphire]

unnecessary for stuff used in big bursts on rare occasions, buffers do fine

[ornate saffron]

absolutley. there is so much iron. there is no reason not to just build more when needed

[silent stone]

hello everyone, im on my first play through of the game, I feel like I've hit a platuea and im moving into my coal powered stage but im unsure if I should move my whole factory as i found 3 pure iron nodes, 1 pure coper node and a pure limestone node. I just feel like moving everything would be extremely overwhelming, but my factory is also a spaghetti web in a canyon lol

[fluid sapphire]

dont move anything, just keep building

[silent stone]

but my whole bio mass factory is on a cliff side...so I just bring belts all the way to my new location ?

sorry to sound uneducated FICSIT has me on a perfomance improvement plan

[fluid sapphire]

you could, or you could just build anew and fetch materials from the old location to do so

you have the whole map available to you

you dont need to bring everything to one location either

find a spot that provides what you need for a given product, make it there

works well enough until later

[ornate saffron]

Everything that insane said

Plus power poles are cheap you can just run power to new locations

[night lotus]

you can always just leave the old factory behind if packing it up is part of the overwhelming part

[silent stone]

i left 2 photos in the screenshot channel incase anyone wants to throw up

So essentially since Im on coal power and its fire and forget essentially I can bring all new power to my current factory but expand throughout the map is what were saying...just ot make sure im collecting this information correctly

[fluid sapphire]

for starting out that looks fine honestly, not dissimilar to what i had

and i am sure many others

[crude canyon]

how about making screws only right before you need them

[silent stone]

i literally have 2 containers of screws lmfao

[crude canyon]

instead of making them in one place and then belting them to where you need them

because screws consume a lot of belts

[silent stone]

I have it all automated into making my reinforced plates for the space elevator. I fear that i have gone a little overboard with trying to maximize efficiency and now well...theres just so many

[fluid sapphire]

no such thing as too much of a material

[latent prawn]

screws are kind of a noob trap in the game. you don't need that many after you unlock a few alt recipes, and where you need them is as an intermediate part in the rotor and possibly hmf lines. there's 4 alt recipes for reinforced plate, and the good 2 recipes don't take screws

[silent stone]

I appreciate all the input by the way, I feel like now that I have moved into the next phase of power, parts, expansion I am feeling overwheling doom, I have spent so much time making my current factory I just feel overwhelmed.

[silent stone]

Oh nice, thanks for the heads up

[night lotus]

power transfer gets a whole lot easier when you get trains too

[latent prawn]

why screws exist in the game so early is to teach you how to use lower speed belts to transfer the part that makes the screws and make better belting decisions. the lesson is amplified later with quickwire

i'll add that the only building that requires screws is the awesome shop kiosk

[crude canyon]

yeah surprisingly little uses screws, and you'd want to use it

I guess copper rotors?

[hybrid kestrel]

are drones good enough for transporting materials? havent bothered with trains yet and can unlock drones now

[night lotus]

steel rotors my beloved

[silent stone]

yeah, i just have to make 1,000 smart plating for the space elevator lol so im like oh i need a ton of screws

alas i find i am wrong

[fluid sapphire]

they are excellent if you manage your throughput expectations

[crude canyon]

depends on the materials, it won't work to transport ore, but it can have good throughput for other stuff

[latent prawn]

copper rotor or steel rotor are both good recipes. when mass-producing rotors for large scale motors (and/or nuclear), i prefer copper rotor, but there's a case to be made for steel rotor with iron pipe & iron wire

[fluid sapphire]

it will work for ore transport, its just more resource intensive to do so

[night lotus]

you really don’t need that many per minute by the time you have got the other items automated itll be done

[normal orbit]

steel rotors simplifies motor production a lot

[crude canyon]

steel rotors are so good for motors. And if you find a way to add crystal oscillators from elsewhere, rigor motors just multiplies your motor production

[crude canyon]

I wonder how much scrap a drone can carry

[latent prawn]

there's several good motor builds you can do when mix & matching alt recipes

[fluid sapphire]

you can also do only iron or iron and water

[night lotus]

i think the best answer for which one is best is just down to what resources you have in the area you wanna build in

[latent prawn]

personally i find that when you are making a lot, what ends up happening is making enough pipe becomes a challenge. there's only so much coal you want to tap for making steel and carting coal in from another biome gets icky

[crude canyon]

it depends on a lot of things
do you want it to be part of something else, or are you making all motors in one place and then transporting them elsewhere

[crude canyon]

iron pipe?

[normal orbit]

9 stacks, so 4500

[latent prawn]

going all in on iron pipe just shifts the problem from coal to iron. usually a combo of (molded) steel pipe with leftover iron going to iron pipe is a better way

[glass turtle]

What happens if i deconstruct the space elevator to move it with the things already inside?

Hovering over it doesnt show that ill pick them up

[latent prawn]

but copper rotor sidesteps that a bit. you still need to make steel beam for the screws, but that cuts down on the coal

[crude canyon]

tbf, you can make metric tons of iron thanks to alts like iron alloy

[normal orbit]

not a huge issue with some alts. Solid steel ingots have an extra 50% yield on steel, then using molded pipes you have a 1:1 ratio of steel to pipes

[glass turtle]

Solid steel additionally stacks with pure iron

[normal orbit]

not really, you still need the coal

[crude canyon]

any other iron alloy lovers here?

[brittle finch]

I used no trains and tons of drones in my original save lol

[glass turtle]

Yes, but you massively save on iron

[minor rock]

nah belts only

very superior

[night lotus]

but then no choo choo

[latent prawn]

yeah, there's a bunch of solutions to the problems, and these aren't 'not enough resources on the map' types of problems, they're instead 'do i really want to spend 10 hr building a trainline for coal' types of problems

[crude canyon]

as for coal, places with coal and iron are rare, so there's only so many places for steel

[night lotus]

how can game without choo choo

[crude canyon]

iron pipe is much easier to do anywhere

[silent stone]

im just going to make hybertubes

[glass turtle]

I love Ferrouranium

[normal orbit]

they aint that rare...

[brittle finch]

I did it! Though I did switch to using trains and no drones so far in my new save for experimental

[crude canyon]

you also have to factor in that early on, you want a lot of your coal for power

[fluid sapphire]

this whole discussion just goes to show just how many different valid ways there are to make motors depending on what you value

[latent prawn]

there's 5 natural places for steel making on the map with coal. when you take into account the coke steel recipe, that number increases to about 10

[mortal ginkgo]

yes but what is the best and correct way?

[crude canyon]

yeah and the issue is that I've played in all of them

[fluid sapphire]

I'm glad you asked, obviously its this one

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=y6UynsbUoCPrvXeKxdmu

[normal orbit]

not really tho, theres plenty of placed well suited for coal power and les ssuited for steel, and more places suited for steel and not coal power.

[mortal ginkgo]

I checked it. I am not really convinced considering there is no limestone involved.

[crude canyon]

make it with steel rotor, and then add in oscillators for rigor motor so you don't have to make more factories

[fluid sapphire]

it was like 100m away, i couldnt be bothered to drag it in

[latent prawn]

what my general strategy is is to make steel with the coal nearest to my starting location, and travel to the nearest other starting biome (or two) to make coal power

[crude canyon]

man you need so many oscillators in this game

[mortal ginkgo]

Wrong. Correct way is making a massive factory to sink for coupons and get Rotors from Awesome Shop

Also I cant believe Fluid Stations asking for Stators, now they have to be automated properly as well Q_Q

[fluid sapphire]

you dont though, with some alt combinations the only place you really need them is for superposition oscillators, you can cut them out of literally everything else

[latent prawn]

seems like an oopsie oversight

after removing them entirely as a building material

[silent stone]

i just researched the nutritional processor thinking i unlocked a cheat code to food turns out thats not the case xd

[crude canyon]

a lot of reasons for you not to do that though
Oil can work with a lot of stuff, so quartz feels left out, so now you have a lot of quartz for oscillators draining little of your other resources.
And since oscillators can be so low throughput you can drone them easily

[latent prawn]

the nut+protein recipe gives you unlimited inhalers. the other ones are just for working down surpluses of stuff you've gathered

[crude canyon]

also, recipes like crystal computers into rcus that want computers and oscillators simplify making rcus

[fluid sapphire]

idk i am not convinced

[mortal ginkgo]

Did you checked the Priority Merger on a lift? #screenshots message

I got the feeling this is another weird oversight...

[fluid sapphire]

i like my silly alt combinations

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=R0VYiKsoX6Nnid0Zp4vb

[latent prawn]

yeah, the prog splitter does the same

[fluid sapphire]

no one can convince me OC supercomputer is bad

[crude canyon]

oc is based

[latent prawn]

it is a great recipe until you run out of bauxite or nitrogen, which you will do rather quickly with it

cooling systems and rcu's ain't cheap

[fluid sapphire]

i am making just enough to "beat the game" not maximizing my production so its fine

if i decide to make more later for whatever reason, i can always reconsider recipe choices

[silent stone]

okay last question I have a bunch of reinforced plate, do i upgrade all my belts to tier 2 or just move on from my current location and expand

[latent prawn]

that recipe alone is responsible for me going over map limits in planning more times than i can count

[fluid sapphire]

too big brain for me

[normal orbit]

there no advantage to upgrade a belt which doesnt use more than 60/min to mk2

[fluid sapphire]

if your stuff is working fine with mk1 belts there is no benefit to upgrading

[latent prawn]

when you're trying to do a big nuclear build, paying attention to the bauxite limits becomes incredibly important

if you're trying for something like a max ficsonium goal, yeah, analysis of which recipes use the least bauxite becomes very important

[crude canyon]

i don't believe in such thing, because rips are so ridiculously expensive early game
I need them for

• mam
• sink
• constructors
• assemblers
• smart plating
• coal gens
• belts

also modular frames

[normal orbit]

while you need a few thousand aluminium ingots for nuclear, its not so much you really need to take it into massive consideration

[crude canyon]

keep in mind that your power should be at its limit around this time
I always do 15 biomass burners because that's how much you can get with a solid biomass constructor

[fluid sapphire]

i mean yeah ofc if you are planning massive projects that go near or at resource limits you need to consider your recipe choices carefully

[latent prawn]

early on, i grab the stitched plate recipe and sphaghetti a belt from my plate & wire storage into an assembler to get some cooking

[fluid sapphire]

if youre just vibing at a small scale it makes little difference

[earnest condor]

Power? Limit?

[latent prawn]

the expensive part of rips is the iron plate with its 3:2 pulldown cost. if you use a recipe that uses less plate per rip, they become a lot less expensive

[crude canyon]

of course, I also do that, it's just that you still need so many rips that even 10 a minute doesn't feel enough
also, milestones, you need rips for milestones cuz why not

[latent prawn]

on top of that wire made from copper in the early game doesn't have a lot of use, so as a resource that is available and your making for the bit of wire & cable you need in building, a lot of the wire you make just ends up going to the sink anyway

[crude canyon]

also, demand for rips spikes early on, but later on it falls down

[latent prawn]

not true. do the math on how many rips you need for a FMF

[crude canyon]

i was saying for storage but sure

[latent prawn]

usually that kind of just gets swallowed in the task of making hmf's and forgotton, but it's tons of rips

[bitter lodge]

Difference between early game making rips, vs making them for FMF....

[crude canyon]

yeah that's exactly it

[bitter lodge]

early game you don't exactly got the means of getting all you can out of a node. Vs at the stage of making FMF, you probably have mk3 miners and shards for spare on miners.

[crude canyon]

and I think the ratio is 1:1, of hmf to fmf

[latent prawn]

yeah, i was using fmf to make the point, could have said hmf as well b/c they are 1:1

[minor rock]

satisfactory AI helper could do all the math and stuff, idk why dev not add yet tbh

hate thinking hurts my head

[earnest condor]

Here we go again...

[crude canyon]

yeah whether it's power or belt speed

[latent prawn]

playin' the wrong game

[elfin smelt]

does the only thing this word person says is ai glazing?

[fluid sapphire]

idk, doesnt look like "tons" to me, i just checked my chain and it takes 32 RIP to make 18 HMF

[latent prawn]

steeled frame?

[fluid sapphire]

yeah

[silent stone]

im going to find a cave to cry in

[crude canyon]

interesting how steeled frame costs less iron, but base frame costs less steel, with steel rods

[fluid sapphire]

steeled frame, heavy encased frame

[latent prawn]

that reduces the rip per mod frame. the other 2 recipes don't

[crude canyon]

one day I wish to use steel rods, but there's not that much reason to

[fluid sapphire]

still the ratio doesnt seem crazy at all

[latent prawn]

and heavy encased uses less frame per heavy momma

[earnest condor]

Yup

[elfin smelt]

I legit think it's a bot at this point

[earnest condor]

Most likely.

[latent prawn]

so you're using the optimal chain for rip minimization, i'll say that if you swapped out either the mf or hmf recipe, you'd be agreeing with the 'tons' assessment

[earnest condor]

#satisfactory-experimental

[bronze kindle]

will i need a lot of iron plate, rods in the endgame ? is it worth upgrading my production..? currently i'm completely sinking the overflow of them.. (i still have a basic production which i built at tier 1)

[bitter lodge]

[earnest condor]

You never stop needing them.

[bitter lodge]

my bad again. I keep forgetting

and my game crashed.

[bronze kindle]

mhm, i might built something then

would a 100/min of both be enough

or is that overkill..

[earnest condor]

You are the sole person who can make that decision.

It is your world.
You decide what is enough.

[latent prawn]

what i like to do is make a little more of the early game components in factories that need them and smart-split off the excess needed by the production line for storage

[bronze kindle]

are you a philosopher

[latent prawn]

really only a rate of 10-20/min of anything feeding your building supplies is going to be enough except for foundation materials

[bronze kindle]

i built each of my factorys completely independent, everything needed for the part it's producing gets produced there, so i dont think thats the way for me

[earnest condor]

No.
I'm telling you that anyone specifically saying how to play the game is giving you crap.
Because how other people do things is not how you do things.

[mortal ginkgo]

Obviously the way I play is correct but thats off topic

[latent prawn]

atm, my rod production is being done in a factory for sam fluctuators with some excess iron and that is also kicking out explosive rebar for me

[bronze kindle]

you can automate explosive rebar ?? i need to do that

[latent prawn]

its also making my wire for building as well, unsurprisingly

[fluid sapphire]

i think it'd be more fair to say that most advice you hear around here is just how a particular person likes to do things, and should be interpreted as such, i dont think its really ever meant as "this is the correct way"

[latent prawn]

..and pipe, lol

[reef basin]

Not at all

[fluid sapphire]

oh no, now its gonna come back

[elfin smelt]

dont feed it attention

[undone yarrow]

Aye, about the only "which recipe do I use?" That is approaching objectively "the best" is the oil quartet and while there are a small handful of x recipe combo is straight better than y combo most are a series of trade offs

[ivory condor]

Thats horrible, ai cant do correct math in itself, because llms can only sort of guess the next word in a sentence

But thats terrible for math, all you have is essentially a glorified calculator, because the ai model would need a actual calculator and wouldnt be any better than whats already in game

[minor rock]

you right. meant more of a fancy autofill and ingame calculator, but yea

[ivory condor]

In short ai to do math is pointless

[minor rock]

calculator in the equipment slot would be a banger

[fluid sapphire]

you can already do calculations in the search bar

[earnest condor]

Language models being bad at Math?
HOW CAN THIS BE?

[fluid sapphire]

what is math but a language of numbers

[earnest condor]

No.

[fluid sapphire]

such poetry they weave, sweet numbers

[ivory condor]

Very easy unfortunately

Ai models cant even operate right as a stop watch

[serene jolt]

Is it normal to just build a concrete block just above the ground and put all my factories on it with miners clipping through it while I’m running spaghetti on the ground under the whole thing?

[ivory condor]

Because that requires a degree of math and accuracy, which llms are really bad at

[stoic salmon]

how do i keep having a fuse blow when my production is 1400MW and my max cons is 1399.5

[fluid sapphire]

normal is whatever you consider normal

[twin parcel]

nah , they can do math that doesnt require any understanding , dont expect them to calculate stuff for ur factory cuz that requires understanding recipe chains , alt recipe trade off .

[earnest condor]

they can do math that doesnt require any understanding

I would class this as not being able to do math 😄

Broken clock being right and all that.

[fierce granite]

Got a hover pack?

[fluid sapphire]

if only we had production planners that could do math for us

[twin parcel]

there is , satisfactory modeller

[earnest condor]

Tools >

[fluid sapphire]

i know, i am being deliberately silly about this guy and math and ai

but ya modeller is wayy to much manual labor for me, all i need is a graph, i can figure out the rest

[fiery root]

You are the production planner

[fluid sapphire]

sftools is my production planner

[twin parcel]

not all math calculations requires thinking , plus they have size of neurons that is lesser than todler , just treat as ai todlers and u be fine .

[shrewd palm]

what if we just deleted all llms because its a waste of resources instead

[earnest condor]

LLM isn't actually AI. People just keep calling it that to get funding. 🤷‍♂️

But this is very #off-topic-general at this point.

[elfin smelt]

yes

[twin parcel]

its called investment , might be wasteful now , but who nows what great stuff it can bring to the table .

[elfin smelt]

we already have our AI supervisor idk why people are talking we need more

[shrewd palm]

^^^

[fiery root]

Ada is very generous giving me a total of 15 minutes of break per day

[twin parcel]

i hate ALUMINIUM SO MUCCHH !!!!!!

THE AMOUNT OF TIMES I HAVE TO SET UP A NEW ALUMINIUM FACTORY WHEN THE CURRENT ONES IS NOT ENOUGH PISSES ME OFFF

[fiery root]

Now crazy idea

[fluid sapphire]

sounds like its time for a central aluminum factory

[normal orbit]

just setup a factory using all the bauxite :p

[fiery root]

Why don't you just build big big factory for it who makes way too much, so later on u have enough

[latent prawn]

figure out how to do a stable build for 600 bauxite and then bp the pieces. makes setting it up a lot less of a chore

[earnest condor]

?

[latent prawn]

you can similarly do 300/min at half the size

also, instant scrap is a much more straightforward buid

[woven umbra]

How many explosive would it take to deforest the entire continent

[twin parcel]

hmm , i used electrode scrap , because i can use the same heavy oil to make fuel for fused modular frame alt recipe .

[tender raft]

Hey ! Hope everyone is doing fine !

Just a quick question. I need 200m3 of water. I produce them with 2 water pump at 83%.
But seems like I can't fking get the water on top of my building with a pump. Is it because I need my 300m3 in my pipe mk1 for it to reach the high point I need ?
I didnt played for a long time but If i remember correctly it was working fine before :0

[fluid sapphire]

how high? check the headlift on all your pumps

[earnest condor]

There are multiple parts of that which cause headscratching. But yes, check total height first.

Screenshot would also help.

[normal orbit]

theres an indicator on the pipe when placing pumps showing how high lift goes, and you can snap next pump onto that

[tender raft]

Something like 20 meters, not very much more.
Tbh I had 2 pipes with 300m3 and one with 200 and the one with 200 wasnt working and water was never coming up

[fluid sapphire]

make sure your pipes are actually connected

if you have junctions, rebuild pipes connected to them

[tender raft]

They were so idk tbh

[stoic salmon]

if i blueprint a hypertube cannon will it work correctly when i paste it or will it not have its connections?

[fluid sapphire]

it will work as built

just like anything else

[bitter lodge]

It will.

[stoic salmon]

sick

[bitter lodge]

Make a bp for a hypercannon. Then slam it down and zoom

[twin parcel]

well normally yes, it fills a section of the pipe , then move to next the section , but it can just be ur pipes werent conected properly or the pumps suffering from decimal errors .

[worn oar]

It would be nice if it showed you when it reached max headlift instead of just a flow indicator

[minor rock]

Honestly if voicelines were generated on the fly and you could talk soth ada and maybe even make your gf then i'd be happy

[restive umbra]

asking the important questions

[twin parcel]

the pump does show u its maximum headlift it provides .

[worn oar]

Yes, I meant on the pipe not the pump

Or on the water extractor

[minor rock]

Love the pipe

[tender raft]

Maybe. I'm on experimental but I tried to rebuild the same shit like 3 or 4 times and wasnt working. Can't send a screenshot here

[twin parcel]

maybe 2 000 nuke nobelisk, well if its not placed strategically , then bump the number to 4, 000

[placid stirrup]

I think it's more a question of how powerful of a computer would you need

[earnest condor]

What pumps don't say is they are perfectly fine going 10% over their max.

[worn oar]

Playable area: 5.4k on each side.
Nobelisk radius: 7.5m.
5400/7.5 = 720
720^2 = 518,400 nobelisk if placed perfectly spaced with no gaps.

Good luck! Also your game would die before you're done because deforestation is stored in the save file.

[twin parcel]

uh when place new pump that snaps to that position , it shows it pump headlift already exceeded , so i just add another pump in between to avoid any problem . inefficient ? yes , but i dont wanna spend hours getting stuff work perfectly when a quick patch up does the job .

[worn oar]

Ok it immediately occurred to me that I'm a dummy. A circle doesn't have a square radius. Disregard the above, it's 165012 nobelisk placed perfectly.

[fluid sapphire]

great, now do it for cluster and nuke nobelisks

[worn oar]

YOU do it for cluster and nuke nobelisks.

I'm getting coffee.

[twin parcel]

hmm , not every biome has high density forest , such as dune dessert , so the numbers might be lesser , but then u cant expect the player to perfectly space all the nukes . its harder to estimate honestly .

[unkempt blade]

You should use AI to do the clusters and nukes. It's way better at this game than the average discord user

[worn oar]

You should use your brain instead of relying on the planet killing brainrot engine

[flint phoenix]

TRUE!!!

[worn oar]

Obviously I cannot and will not calculate human error. The number will be higher for someone who is human and thus prone to error.

I will also not calculate areas lacking any vegetation because only the devs know that for sure.

[unkempt blade]

well I also don't watch youtube or streamers so I figure my brainrot levels even out more or less

[twin parcel]

they are just experimenting ai , because they can . good luck stopping them .

[worn oar]

Yes I'm aware that they are destroying the planet and economy, thanks for the reminder.

[shrewd palm]

good news is i think they are losing funds hard

[worn oar]

Good, hedge funds and private equity need to lose hard.

[twin parcel]

brother , they just gonna use tax payers money and bail out those companies .

[unkempt blade]

the trick is to use the heavily subsidized subscriptions for frivilous stuff like nobelisks to wreck their financials

soon you'll actually have to pay the real rate for them to play games for you!

[twin parcel]

good idea

[worn oar]

Do it for cluster and nuke nobelisks.

[fluid sapphire]

ehh, thats enough satisfactory for me for today

[twin parcel]

im scared that they gonna pull up a bullshit move like they did on cold war and somehow get funds from the gov to continue the ai research .

[ornate saffron]

It would be funny for all of the 250000 people in this discord get a free month of nvidia now and we all load up @abstract heron s 5000plus hour save at the same tinke

[hearty flame]

thats kinda crazy

[shrewd palm]

ACTUAL ai i think is fine, from what i know its been really helpful in medical and engineering fields (and i think also with stuff like astrophysics)
llms and the sycophantic slop they generate has done nothing but harm either people or the environment

[stoic salmon]

how do i split specific numbers of stacks

[fluid sapphire]

pc? hold right click

[bronze kindle]

balancers

[stoic salmon]

cool ty

[twin parcel]

well , 10 years ago if someone said its possible to kill the internet by making sure human-generated content produced is lesser , thus , the internet can be dead . i would not believe that shit .

looking at gen-ai slop now , hmm yeah we are cooked .

[ivory condor]

Its been cooked for a while, the process has just continued and accelerated

[twin parcel]

i guess supporting stuff that is not using ai is a great start but that is like bringing a knife in a nuclear warfare , but atleast u got something to start with .

[stoic salmon]

whats the biggest you can make a hypertube cannon without dying

[glass turtle]

I mainly upload from my inventory so far, but if i ever was to build actual dimensional depots, is the upload speed per depot or in total?

[shrewd palm]

i think 18 is as much as it takes to completely clear the map (going from one side to the other), i dont know the exact number but much less is needed when going straight up to die at the height barrier

tldr so long as you dont hit the ground with fast vertical velocity or overshoot drastically you'll be fine

[shrewd palm]

per depot

[glass turtle]

ok

thx

[minor rock]

I could easy use ai to calculate how many nobelisk needed to kill vegetation

[shrewd palm]

if i had 2 items gonig into 2 depots, they'd each upload at like 240/min or whatever the speed is

[minor rock]

Im fr though

[shrewd palm]

least down bad ai bro

[glass turtle]

Depending on research, For me its 30/m for now

[shrewd palm]

yeah you want to get that up

[glass turtle]

Ill need to automate the Sam Fluctuator to really get the research going. I have the spheres

[shrewd palm]

depot speed and size should be one of the priorities for the mam i think

[glass turtle]

What happens to the stuff in the space elevator if i deconstruct it to put it elsewhere? It doesnt say in the tooltip hovering over it ill pick that up, will the elevator just keep having that when i rebuild it?

[minor rock]

How important is it to know how many nobelisk to delete all vegetation

Pondering using the tokens to do it

[shrewd palm]

i think so

[undone yarrow]

They're saved

[glass turtle]

You dont mean the awesome sink coupons, do you?

yeah dont spend those on items

The cost of a coupon increases exponentially

[eager palm]

Save game, deconstruct, share knowledge with us pls 🙏

[minor rock]

Yeah the tokens for ai and the tokens for the nobelisk needed

[minor rock]

Nothing changes the progresss other than adding items

Should it be pulse nobelisk and per foliage? Or wanna big nuke and try to hit the most per hit

I feel like pulse would be cooler

[undone yarrow]

Do pulse even damage the environment?

[minor rock]

No clue tbh lol im just imagine it like mowing the lawn progressively

I think so

[silent stone]

Im having an issue with my coal gens, anyone thats bored want to hop in a call and explain this to me so i dont have to type it all out?

[undone yarrow]

Is it not getting enough water or coal?

[silent stone]

i dont know why its not getting enoug

[minor rock]

Im sleeping but can connect you with my ai assistant

[shrewd palm]

😭

[minor rock]

Just need the video and we all good to go

[dense violet]

of which though?

[violet glen]

There's only really two reasons why coal gens don't work properly. Not enough coal, or not enough water.
It's 3 pumps per 8 gens iirc, and make sure you got all the pumps you need for headlift.

And keep in mind with Mk1 pipes, 360 water per minute is too much for one pipe

[minor rock]

Yes i just thought all that too

[silent stone]

Ill just type it, so i have one water extractor pusing 120 pm so i have 3 coal plants which should be enough

[dense violet]

coal gens use 45
what's 3x45?

[silent stone]

right? but when i look at the pipes its decreasing and idk if it will be enough to sustain power

[violet glen]

3 coal gens use more than one extractor worth of water

[undone yarrow]

It's 45 water a coal gen though?

[violet glen]

3*45>120

[silent stone]

its 45 yes

i see nvm im dumb

[minor rock]

Im telling you guys. Need ai calculator in this game

[silent stone]

thanks

[undone yarrow]

Personally I'm found of 2 coal gens to 1 underclocked water extractor because they're the same width

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[violet glen]

8 coal gens and 3 extractors is the first point it works cleanly iirc

[fluid sapphire]

rest now, you have used your brain here already too much

[dense violet]

some convenient layouts for you - best advice for early coal - find 3-4 coal nodes next to water, just keep making groups of 8

[shrewd palm]

5fps while placing blueprints my beloved

[minor rock]

I could easily calculate foliage destruction, id hardly even lift a finger, just to type a few sentences to my coding agent

[undone yarrow]

And get the wrong result.

[minor rock]

Someone should pay me for the work

I will proof it with video

[shrewd palm]

why do all that when you can just divide the area of the map by the area of the nobelisk explosion

[minor rock]

Because not every divided area will contain destructable foliage, and the area is 3d

[shrewd palm]

and i can assure you chatgpt will not know what areas have foliage and which dont with any real accuracy

[chilly oyster]

guys is there a good way to get 2000mw of energy before phase 2?

[minor rock]

You wrong

Proof it with video of foliage destruction occuring with counter in the exact spots

[dense violet]

before finishing phase 2? easy, coal

[shrewd palm]

not unless you want to cover an entire biome in biomass burners and spend 99% of your time gathering biomass

[chilly oyster]

the max i can get from one ore with a tier 2 miner is 270 coal per minute because i only have mk3 belts, and that will be enough for about 1,200mw only

[undone yarrow]

Then find another coal patch?

[dense violet]

every start zone has at least 1 spot that has 3-4 coal nodes next to water

find it and burn it all

[chilly oyster]

i mean, i can but it's about 1500 meters form my coal energy factory

[chilly oyster]

really?

[dense violet]

distant power is often better too - use nearby nodes for items

[minor rock]

Just dupe sloops and use alien augmenter only

Its an obviously solution

[chilly oyster]

but why does it not show up on my ore radar

[shrewd palm]

im not sure where you're starting but there are a couple of coal patches in the rocky desert and grassy fields that are perfect for an easy like

[undone yarrow]

Power poles are cheap, the bigger pylons exist (i forgot their requirements) and the only downside is the time spent building

[shrewd palm]

2400MW of coal power

[dense violet]

it shows you the closest nodes

[dense violet]

you seem to be made of terrible takes

a Hot Take Golem or something

[minor rock]

What ? Its each aufmenrer boosting grid by a percentage

Better than measly coal

[chilly oyster]

ahh yes i forgot about them

[minor rock]

I bet you manually farm to use biomass burner early game

Thats disgusting manual labour

[undone yarrow]

Not a valid option at their game stage as it requires the t4 encased beams

[shrewd palm]

you really do just see people sometimes huh

[minor rock]

Ok then jusv dupe those too since you already accepted sloop doop

[chilly oyster]

nevermind, i need 50 weird thingies to do these in MAM

[minor rock]

So shoulf i ask ai to figure out how many explosive to kill tree ?

I could live demo to show ai superiority

[flint phoenix]

It's like seeing an endangered animal out in the wild

[shrewd palm]

we should put them on national geographic

[minor rock]

Thankfully people breed endanged animals to keep the population thriving

Bisoms have made a massivr cameback in the americas

In spite of ai supposedly killing everything

[shrewd palm]

so you're saying we should breed you like an animal?

[minor rock]

No, the more ai pioneers the better though

[worn oar]

Well that was the least deranged thing I could have seen upon opening Discord, I suppose

[shrewd palm]

not sure why you were expecting something normal tbh

[sterile blade]

You only need one, unless:

• The tree/rock has a weird collision box: throwing multiple nobelisks can help, as you might just hit it from the right angle/position to actually blow it up
• The tree/rock can't be destroyed (bug/oversight)

Ofc, some things just can't be destroyed, but it's usually quite obvious when that's the case

[minor rock]

We were wondering how many nobelisks it would take to destroy all of the foliage on the map, with optimal placement and not wasting explosive

I think its ideal to use pulsr nobelisks, as it would havw the most aesthetic effect

But that removes the challenge of finding optimal placements

[sterile blade]

Cluster or nukes might have a bigger radius..

[minor rock]

Yeah but in the case of instant place and destruction , not as cool

[worn oar]

I already did the math earlier

[sterile blade]

Debatable :P

[flint phoenix]

People tend to exaggerate, but the ecological impacts of "AI" data centres are very much real, and even beyond that, it is accelerating the rate at which society becomes monopolized by corporate interests

[minor rock]

Your math did not consider tunnels

Mushrooms are destructable

[sterile blade]

Small reminder that politics are off topics and off rules~

[minor rock]

And wasted nobelisks in desert etc

[flint phoenix]

"Politics" just means "anything that might be controversial"

[sterile blade]

Not quite. Feel free to read up on the #rules for more details

[minor rock]

Yeah its just like im really stoic so ill wait til i see it basically tbh

Ik its not good but thr bison population is thriving because of ai

If you look at a graph of them side by side

[worn oar]

Any backseat moderators

[shy temple]

I could backseat moderate, but I enjoy a good political debate way too much!

[shrewd palm]

this might be the funniest thing ever said

[shy temple]

I would rather claim that my factories are ecologically friendly because I leave some parts of nature untouched.

[sterile blade]

Hannah-friendly

[worn oar]

I would rather claim that I haven't done enough because there are still unchopped trees.

[fossil spoke]

Hello!

[shy temple]

I long for a tool that lets me chop down the baby balloon trees

[shrewd palm]

i think nobelisks can do that

[mild mango]

Resource deposits always remain in the exact same area no matter what world right?

[shrewd palm]

yes

[shy temple]

Nope, I have tried with them, maybe I need to try again...

[worn oar]

Fix the bulb mod

[dense violet]

nodes? yes,
some deposits? no

[shrewd palm]

but there are a couple settings in 1.2 that randomize nodes tho

[shy temple]

I cannot wait for my full randomized node 1.2

[shrewd palm]

i dont think ive tried everything yet but so far any piece of foliage i havent been able to destroy with explosive rebar has been taken out with a nobelisk

[shy temple]

Not them though, I have tried 🙁

In multiple plays. Maybe for the one I am doing it wrong

[shrewd palm]

ahh

[minor rock]

Im more of an ai expert than standup comedian. I probs am charismaric enough to do standup. And could then just get ai to write the jokes

Then id still be an ai expert

why did the computer go to therapy? because it had too many bytes from its childhood

And the crowd laughs so hard, it lands great !

[shrewd palm]

yeah i give up

[minor rock]

It wasnt good? :' (

[shy temple]

My PC got a virus.

Well, you know what they say. An apple a day keeps the doctor away.

[minor rock]

Haha , that ones really good

👏👏👏

[sterile blade]

*an Apple a day

[clear mesa]

An Apple a day*

🤓

[minor rock]

An Apple daily*

Too wordy. Try and keep it tight 😎

[sterile blade]

My pun was on buying an Apple product daily to not get viruses

[clear mesa]

whilst making the first letter after a fullstop lowercase

[minor rock]

That was a very comedic transformation

[shrewd palm]

general rule #13: terrible puns result in a lifetime ban

[minor rock]

Full points, Sir

👏👏👏👏👏

[clear mesa]

just turn off their oxygen tanks

[minor rock]

Nah its the nitrios oxide i need to live

If u dont have that...then well whats the point anymore

[indigo geyser]

speaking of explosives... i think allot more in this world would do some good. not many problems cant be solved by putting a hole in the world 🙂

[worn oar]

In-game, right?....

[minor rock]

True, make it a donut

Very smart optimization

[indigo geyser]

😈

[minor rock]

You must be a developer

[shy temple]

As was mine, I just didnt capitalize or it auto corrected.

[open crescent]

bobm

I like using more bomb than necessary for fun

[shy temple]

I need to get my bomb factory going..... But before that I want to get drone factory going so I can get.... SOB

So many things to start with this tier, I need to ponder what direction I want to go next.

Going to look at the research tiers, see what next research components are. Get that started being made. After which, start an expandable nuclear power plant to interconnect my grids.

[latent prawn]

i grabbed a few stacks of powder and pipe and afk'd while crafting which got me into phase 3 to start making ex-rebar

[shy temple]

There is controls on what all nodes spawn in terms of numbers to prevent soft locking

So their random isnt 100% randomized so that the game can still be interesting and playable.

[latent prawn]

i think unless you change the scarcity settings as well as locations, the amount of each resource remains the default map's count, so i'd guess you just got rng'd into a windfall

[stoic salmon]

whats the thing that lets me glide on power lines

[latent prawn]

zipline, researched in the mam caterium tree

[stoic salmon]

tyty

[latent prawn]

definitely a learning curve to riding power lines, but when you get the hang of it, can make getting around a lot quicker

[stoic salmon]

well i need to get power to the lake in the bottom right hand side for oil

[white dawn]

(Ziplining on Power Towers is a lot more straightforward, btw. Though doing it along "regular" power poles can be a fun game of "how long can I go before I screw up?" :)

[latent prawn]

yeah, that game is one of my fav little charm things about satisfactory, though i'm kinda peaved that they got rid of the insane speed boosts of update 7

[sterile blade]

Autoincorrecting do be annoying sometimes...

[latent prawn]

remember back when MS Word had that annoying assistant?

[sterile blade]

On the flip side, having a not "too extreme" max speed allows one to make "automatic" zipline routes (counterpoint: just keep the "normal" speed for those and allow users to zipline as fast as they can with the "sprint" mode...)

[latent prawn]

i'd like to see them buff it a little, when mods work, i use one to do just that

[stoic salmon]

is it worth only ever making the power tower platform

[sterile blade]

I had to look up how to disable that shit on an excel-like software just today

[sterile blade]

Rather than the regular power tower?
Sure, there's no explicit downside (just personal ones, like looks, slightly different size etc)

[stoic salmon]

do they do the same distance

[latent prawn]

i like the ones with the platform better, gives you something to climb up onto and that's more useful than it would seem

[stoic salmon]

so whats the point of them

well i need to spam a ton to get accross map to oil is it best using the regular ones

[latent prawn]

the towers can run power a lot farther between poles, it's like either 3x or 5x the distance

[green fiber]

power towers are also peak for zipline

[latent prawn]

if you set them up right, they also make a quick method of transit with the zipline

[sterile blade]

Personal preference
I personally like to use both of them, but on different grids.
Ie: instead of coloring different power towers different colors, I just use normal towers for one grid and walkway towers for the other

[green fiber]

also: aesthetics

[abstract heron]

I love the game but wow my big factory in 1.1 takes a crap ton of memory

[calm mango]

100% random doesnt exist btw

[stoic salmon]

is there a way to auto link the big tower

[latent prawn]

i stick them atop of 4 power storages which offers extreme decentralization of battery backup, makes my grid pretty tolerant to a whoopsie

[calm mango]

There are conveyors on the side, look for blue in arrows

[sterile blade]

If you build a "power line" off any power connector, the game will try to build a power pole/connector/tower of matching type on the other end, if it can

[latent prawn]

placing them is a little bit of a trial and error thing, usually i have to drag them out to find the range and then go out and adjust the location a bit

often that's a 2-pass process

[sterile blade]

It's a bit annoying that we don't have a way to "lock" power lines at their max extension...

[latent prawn]

yeah, probably would be cool to have like a set radius and rotate sort of function

so many of those little things the game could do better, but they really have added so many conveniences to it already

[sterile blade]

Even just something like "lock building withing max building distance", so you just never go "in the red" with the hologram... That could easily extend to belts and pipes too

Not too different from how we build beams: they just don't extend over their max

[latent prawn]

pipes and belts have the bp snap though

[sterile blade]

That's a whole different building mode, and this whole "limit to max" thing could be a toggleable thing anyway (to avoid conflicts)

[latent prawn]

yeah, it would end up needing to be another build mode sort of thing

[sterile blade]

I don't think it'd be that complex to implement, but I doubt it'd be very troublesome either way

(I'm inclined to think that the logic is almost ready, with beams' behavior)

BTW, @latent prawn, did you know that containers have just the right snapping offset to get signs properly "into" walls, rather than flying next to them as they usually do unless one messes with pillars and offset...?

With just one vertical caveat... 🥲

[shy temple]

Not in a purest sense because it all works on some sort of seed to mathematically generate. My comment more was that they have some coded guidance as well to make it so that a person cannot be soft locked with stuff like not enough iron on the map, and so on, there are restrictions in the map seeding of nodes.

[lean fossil]

mk5 lifts are way cuter than mk6 ngl

[sterile blade]

The fact that there are "presets" aviable kinda hints into that direction too ^^

[hexed needle]

is anyone else have the problem when you try to use a blueprint it says file not found

[latent prawn]

i like the fact that the lack of guardrails and translucency lets you see what's on overhead belts

[lean fossil]

YES I love seeing the items going up it's much easier to visualize as wel

[sterile blade]

Same.
But the lifts though! 😭

[lean fossil]

and the coal texture clips through the mark 6 belt 😭

[sterile blade]

Hopefully, that's not intended...
(Ie: to be fixed)

[sterile blade]

What if... we had 2 versions of lifts, one covered up and one not? (For MK6 or all lifts, either could be cool)
Kinda like with normal and "clean" pipes ^^

[lean fossil]

and SOMEHOW Mk5 belts go LONGER than mk6 belts

[sterile blade]

That sounds like QA material

[lean fossil]

nvm i was schizo

game has a bug where placing a conveyor support js makes you go loonger than tryna belt frm nothin

[latent prawn]

i think the lack of seeing the items on the mk6 lifts is due to the fact they couldn't get them to appear as anything other than a blur

i.e. it rendered like ass and you couldn't see anything, so save the cpu cycles

[sterile blade]

Which would be fair enough, imo.
... But I still have a hard time accepting it xD

[rich parrot]

Random only moves node locations around the map. The amount of specific ore type stays the same with random. There is always the same amount of iron nodes, for example.

[shy temple]

Yup, that sort of what I was meaning. I remember them saying that there was also stuff to ensure that you can get essentials or something like that.

IE so that your first iron and coal are not locked behind stinky rocks.

[lean fossil]

I've got a funny question

Do YOU use the EXACT same belt as the output/input you're getting or do you js use the highest ugprade you have at the time

[rich parrot]

Usually just the highest, but for the lowest yield project parts I like to use mk 1.

[shy temple]

I tend to mix it up. More just to keep the belt objects moving smoothly instead of being jerky

[lean fossil]

I see

[shy temple]

sometimes I loke to watch the parts move around at a slower pace vs zip, especially low yield lines

[lean fossil]

And does this game expect me to get 9000 coal js so I can get a good supply of time crystals so I can make mk6 belts 😭

[shy temple]

It can look wierd that way.

maybe?

[rich parrot]

You don't need anywhere near that much, tbh. A single pure node is enough IMO for construction supply. Just add some buffer containers.

[glass turtle]

How do i get more micelium? It does not appear to regrow

[shy temple]

1200 coal is 60d per minute which is 30 tc per minute?

Why do you need 9000?

I think it is pretty rare you would need large quantities of the mk6 to where you would need that much dedicated resource going to it.

[glass turtle]

Granted, only thing i still need micelium for are medical inhalers which i havent even used so far because they are way to expensive compared to just chugging a bunch of berries

[white dawn]

As others have said, even if you're building mk6 belts constantly you're unlikely to need to produce that much. Also: there's a lot of different ways to make Diamonds. :)

[lean fossil]

interesting

[white dawn]

But indeed, if you have large production goals then you may need large resource inputs. c'est la vie!

[cursive topaz]

Can we get high speed trains

[shy temple]

I would be interesting to compare the different diamond methods. I guess a big part of it is what we have the most surplus of.

Use more engines to get more power!!!!

[white dawn]

1. Build train at 2km height
2. Destination station at sea level
3. Let's GOOOOOOOO

Technically more engines only give you faster acceleration; they don't increase top speed

[shy temple]

Though trains are weird and too fast of train is not necessarily a good thing. A fluid train with two MK2 pipes at full capacity is still a three minute load.

And solid items depends on stack size as how long it is to fill, plus the downtime of loading meaning cannot run that full belt capacity 100% of the time.

[stray gull]

Today I discovered smart splitters “Overflow” option does not mean: after the storage container behind it is full, push through all excess.

It just means take everything at the belt’s max capacity I imagine?! It was drained my dimensional depots for like. 1.5 Awesome Tickets an hour… Not worth it! :(

[shy temple]

Whoops!

Nope, want it before the container so when container fills, it sends the backed up line out the overflow.

[stray gull]

man… That makes sense but I was so irritated

I want to tidy my little factories up anyway now that I’m in phase 3. But jeeeee

[shy temple]

And back to trains, Because of the time aspect, you don't even want to run more than one train on the line, you want parallel stations to spread out between them so the lines keep loading.

IE, Station A and Station B, so if the line into A stops filling cause train, it loads into station B. So you have two trains alternating. Or your route the train so that it goes to A, then to B, then to delivery. And to unload it would need to unload at A, then at B.

But fast trains would be nice. Pneumatic tunnel mag trains when?

[leaden turret]

build tunnel yourself

[shy temple]

That wont make a train go hundreds of km/hr

[worn oar]

#screenshots message @rough crest cool bait for attention, you obviously know it isn't messy

[shy temple]

and I actually do have a design where I make sealed train tunnels. Camera doesnt like it as much. I wish we could first person trains

I really hate being locked to third person in vehicles

[white dawn]

Think of it more that the only thing the Smart Splitter is aware of is the belts actually hooked up to it. If a "regular" output belt is full, and an "overflow" belt has room, anything coming into the splitter will be put onto the overflow belt. It doesn't know anything about any thing beyond the next "slot" available on the belts

[worn oar]

I think we need a way to "charge" locomotives, even if it costs more like overclocking does

[white dawn]

Trains can already support any throughput you need; not sure why we'd "need" faster/better versions than we've already got, honestly

Just Add More Freight Cars™, etc. :)

[white dawn]

Could have a minigame where you have to shovel the electricity into the engine as the train moves

[shy temple]

A fuel in addition to the electrical charge? Theoretically they could modify the station with fuel and have non electrical train engine options

[rich parrot]

There are mods for that, if you want your trains to blast through the landscape at 800 km/h 😛

[worn oar]

I meant using more electricity for the amount of speed, but sure you could also fuel them I guess

[shy temple]

Dont knock it. A couple weeks ago, we talked about setting up a multiplayer server where everything is run through quantum containers so all the players need to manually feed machines

[rich parrot]

Back when I and my friends were newbies in Factorio, we managed to make a total mess of train signals in the few junctions and stations we had started constructing. We had the ultra-rare ore spawns mod on and our base was running out of iron. We would need to get more ore soon, or our turrets would soon have gone quiet. In our desperation, one of my friends "volunteered" to play as an ore train conductor for well over an hour, until I finally managed to get our train signals in order.

[rough crest]

ahahah no but it's my first playthrough i swear

[worn oar]

Looks good, keep going

[rough crest]

Y having lots of fun

there is so many things i could rebuild maybe with more optimized ratios cause at some point i stopped making calculations and went a little freestyle but Im more focussed on progressing if you know what I mean

[worn oar]

Is there biomass on the ground or that drops from trees? I have thousands and I don't know where it came from because I only produce biomass inside the biomass tower

[rough crest]

guys I see people have many decorations in their builds in the screenshots channel like different colored piping and machinery as well as floors and even some different foundation that are like smooth stone in cubic forms is that mods?

[worn oar]

Sometimes, but the customizer has a lot of features to it and the awesome shop has lots of decorations and convenience features

[rough crest]

ohhh ty I found the colors and even materials but I just have defaults

[fluid sapphire]

the smooth foundation i am guessing is probably concrete foundation (material)

[worn oar]

Is there another use for gas nobelisks besides disabling hatchers?

[west jackal]

@mortal ginkgo #screenshots message why does that cost CB???

[rough crest]

ohhh ok I wasn't aware of concrete

[mortal ginkgo]

CB?

[rough crest]

I just make my foundation out of concrete and iron but i guess it just comes from limestone in some way cause i haven't really processed it much other than that and steel

[fluid sapphire]

haha that is so weird it costs different things on a lift

[west jackal]

circuit boards

[mortal ginkgo]

oh wait, screenshots tab didnt update so I didnt see it

[west jackal]

is that modded or something?

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, like I am not the dev, I am just an impure limestone node

[fluid sapphire]

did you check programmable splitter on a lift?

thats the really funny one

[mortal ginkgo]

its not modded. I also thought that too when someone else showed it

[west jackal]

does it actually cost different on a lift??

[fluid sapphire]

yeah it does

[west jackal]

that is so weird??!

[fluid sapphire]

the programmable splitter i hear is an old cost from a previous version of the game

as for the merger, not sure

[gleaming wasp]

i don't see any reason for the automated miner alternate recipie

just don't see any purpose

[tall lantern]

the one that can actually be automated?

[shrewd palm]

crafting miners gets annoying

[tall lantern]

well y'see it's for automation

[gleaming wasp]

you only make like 6 miners max at one time

[tall lantern]

just set it up feeding into a DD and never need to worry about them again

[shrewd palm]

when i need to place down a bunch of miners for a factory on top of setting up all the trains and stuff the last thing i want to do is have to take a break to craft 3 protable miners

[shrewd palm]

this is why you hook the assembler up to some random belts in your factory, stick a dimensional depot on, and then never worry about miners again

[restive umbra]

Hand crafting 🤮

ADA help me

[reef basin]

automation

[normal orbit]

automate them, chuck em in a bin with depot ontop and not have to bother with them again

[zenith pecan]

Already done 🙂

[normal orbit]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 and ask your questions there

[surreal ingot]

Imma be 100% bolted reinforced plates are the best upgrade I’ve ever had

[tiny wraith]

Okayy thx

[shrewd palm]

wait until you find stitched iron plates and iron wire

or sloppy alumina

[bitter silo]

Im contemplating whether or not I should go play..... Its currently 8.17pm..... do i require sleep tonight.........

[shrewd palm]

no

factory must grow

[bitter silo]

damn, ficsit requires me that much??

my issue is ive already lost 250hr+ to the factory. Surely one night off wont hurt..........

[shrewd palm]

250 hours and you're just going to leave it by itself?

what if its scared of the dark

[bitter silo]

imma start a new save soon anyway just cuz my worlds gotten real messy lmao

[reef basin]

can also just build elsewhere

[shy temple]

Yeah, but sometimes that is tiring too because that disorder can become a bother.

It is why sometimes I might spend time doing detailing work. It does cause me anxiety in my current save at the moment because my clutter started getting out of hand.

[sterile blade]

Think of the kitties and puppies!

But yeah, jokes aside, health and other priorities first!

[bitter silo]

but the first 250hr save was my first experience of the game. So imma make a new save and keep it tidy, snapping foundations to the world grid so everything aligns. cuz obviously now i have a better understanding of all the logistics

[finite mirage]

Will there ever be terrain manipulation?

[tall lantern]

no

[sterile blade]

Highly unlikely...

[tall lantern]

it's something that the game would've had to be built for at the start, really

[finite mirage]

Yeah ig

[shrewd palm]

why have terrain manipulation when we have concrete monoliths

[finite mirage]

I wanna make tunnels

[sterile blade]

But what if I offered them to buy a few millions copies of the game if they do that?

[tall lantern]

maybe if you offer it upfront they might consider it

[shrewd palm]

can already sotr of do that

[sterile blade]

TotallyNotABribe

[shrewd palm]

you just need to glitch under the map

[finite mirage]

That would be... epic
-# ha, get it...

[shy temple]

Terrain manipulation can be a real performance hog too.

[finite mirage]

I feel like the progression is really unsatisfactory because of things like these

[shy temple]

Subnautica used to have it for example and they removed it because actually really limited map and performance

[sterile blade]

With great power... 🥲

[tall lantern]

...come great idiots

[finite mirage]

Ok

[sterile blade]

I mean... It's not untrue, but not quite what I remembered

[shrewd palm]

subnautica 2 we can pray 💯

let us make rat holes

[shy temple]

Agreed. I never finished below zero though. I might take some time to play that again.

[shrewd palm]

this might be a scorching take but i like bz more than the original

[finite mirage]

Should i automate elevator parts?

[tall lantern]

your call

[shy temple]

The map was a bit too condensed for me, there is stuff I like am very much in the loss of cyclops is huge.

[finite mirage]

Would i ever need them after elevator?

[shrewd palm]

you dont really have to if you dont want to, but nuclear pasta is something you definitely should

[tall lantern]

for later spelevator stuff

[shy temple]

Zardev, it depends. I do it for the fun of it, but at the same time, not reason to automate the whole thing earlier on

[finite mirage]

I see

[shrewd palm]

at the very least i'd try to keep a small stockpile of parts for future space elevator stuff

[shy temple]

Automating the parts that make the elevator parts, true. That is more common.

You make the parts for the part, then you put those into just containers for final assembly

[tall lantern]

i usually just semiautomate them (aka chuck the inputs in some ISCs and let it cook)

[shy temple]

IE, computers, motors, etc. Automate those

[finite mirage]

i have dedicated production line for everything so far

[sterile blade]

They make for good coupons~

[finite mirage]

Actually?

[shy temple]

Then take what you need for the final parts and dump em in a container.

[finite mirage]

Cooll

[shy temple]

Feed container into the machine that makes the part.

[shrewd palm]

im hoping they do something like the cyclops in 2 but maybe make it a little bigger/better layout

[finite mirage]

How do i build those giant factories? Where do u find the space for them?

[hybrid kestrel]

whats the best way to split fluids? i was kinda just spamming junctions but it felt kinda like it would fill the first ones up, then the next etc etc

[shrewd palm]

if the cyclops was like 25% larger that would make me very happy

[grave ether]

As long as the devs follow proper practices for game development when it comes to performance optimization, they will be fine

[finite mirage]

I feel like the map is very "not flat"

[sterile blade]

The easiest place is just... Up ^^

[fluid sapphire]

build high enough that its not a problem

[finite mirage]

But then the ground looks ugly

[grave ether]

Just never touch the ground again

[shrewd palm]

the map is surprisingly large

like more often you'd be surprised by how much room you have

[reef basin]

yeah that's the best/only way

[reef basin]

anywhere on the map. It's huige

[white dawn]

At some point you're obligated to "pave over" areas of the ground if you want your structures to look realistic

[finite mirage]

Imma just head to the seas honestly

[sterile blade]

Then allow the terrain to shape your plans~
If you ever DO end up needing more space, you can always expand upward... Which can make the whole build more interesting as it evolves over different heights rather than on a flat surface

[white dawn]

I'm not fond of the floating-skybase approach but you can still take good advantage of verticality while anchoring your buildings to the geography

[fluid sage]

Hello

[tall lantern]

is floating over water really any better than floating over land

[sterile blade]

It feels more... grounded...

[tall lantern]

weren't bad puns bannable

[fluid sage]

I have coal plant tower over a lake near some coal🦩

[white dawn]

You can do big chonky pillar type supports underneath if you want to leave the landscape more untouched but still kind of "float"

[sterile blade]

Runs away, throwing 🍣 to distract pursues

[finite mirage]

The desert is cool ig

[white dawn]

That's actually what I often do when building in Red Bamboo Forest; I never like chopping those things down. :D

[fluid sage]

HUH

[fluid sage]

GET BACH HERE

[finite mirage]

Anyway, im out iron near my base, and running between factories with powerlines is slow, hypertube is very difficult to setup, ugly, and slow too,

ANY OTHER OPTIONS?

[tall lantern]

get used to it?

[hybrid kestrel]

yikes, whats the best way to go about it then? cus i need to have a bunch of refineries running

[tall lantern]

or get vehicles

[dim violet]

make your factory more efficient.

[shrewd palm]

hypertube cannon?

[reef basin]

row of pipe junctions

[finite mirage]

Explain

[tall lantern]

or just, why do you need to keep going back and forth at all

[fluid sage]

Explorer and ramps over belts etc. is what I use

[white dawn]

If you didn't know, btw, you can toggle "sprint" while ziplining just like you can while running

[reef basin]

yeah, don't run between factories

[dim violet]

farm electro snailes and put the factory speed at max and overclock, organize n stuff

[white dawn]

But yeah, in the earlier game, vehicles can be a fun way to get around. :)

[finite mirage]

Its still so mind numbingly slowwww

[fluid sage]

Sprint jump thing

[finite mirage]

My factories work fine dude

[fluid sapphire]

you\ll just have to experiment to find what works for you, for me, i just just lift the floor and try to make it look supported, its not architecture masterclass but good enough

#screenshots message

[dim violet]

dw I'm new I dont know what am talkin about

[fluid sage]

Slide for 0.1 and jump while sprinting and land in a slide

Over and over again

[finite mirage]

???

[reef basin]

what is the reason you run back to a working factory?

[finite mirage]

Parts

[reef basin]

use depots instead

[dim violet]

you can also just crouch mid air then let go of crouch to make it easier

[fluid sage]

To use elevators

[finite mirage]

Where SAM

[fluid sage]

In a cave

[reef basin]

everywhere

[finite mirage]

Plus depot slow to upload

[dim violet]

are caves dangerous?

[fluid sage]

That’s where my Sam deposit is

[finite mirage]

I play on passive

[fluid sage]

AND ITS IMPURE

[finite mirage]

Up north??

[dim violet]

should I also? 😭

[fluid sage]

yeah

[finite mirage]

Beside quartz?

[fluid sage]

I think

[finite mirage]

Samee

I REALLY HATE THE SPIDERS BTW

OMG THEY MAKE MY SKIN CRAWL

[reef basin]

build more of them and upgrade them

[fluid sapphire]

arachnophobia mode

[finite mirage]

I can have multiple depot upload same thing?

[reef basin]

yes

[finite mirage]

The way they move is still very scary to me

[dim violet]

I finally want coal...

[finite mirage]

Thats one of the features that makes the game genuinely less enjoyable

[fluid sage]

Meme I saw

Subnautica players:

I live on mysterious planet and I’m stuck with aliens

Satisfactory players:

I live on mysterious planet and aliens are stuck with me >:)

[fluid sapphire]

i just ignore them and go about my business

[finite mirage]

THEY. MOVE.

[fluid sapphire]

on very rare occasions they get in the way, then its time for

ok? you can usually walk past them or keep away

[finite mirage]

I have my friend work as pest control in my save 😇

[finite mirage]

I play passive and still

[fluid sage]

I WOULD RATHER EXPLODE SPIDERS THAN KITTENS