satisfactory

[hard wolf]

tbh horde mechanics don't suit the current vibe of the game. how's the red bamboo forest start going? :3c

[shy temple]

yeah, the turbofuel completely shut down

[sick falcon]

not horde mechanics, i want to stick them in a slaughterhouse like pigs to maximize their suffering

[shy temple]

Found it. The packager for the fuel clogged with containers

[hard wolf]

there's a large cluster of spiders that spawn around the edge of the red forest/bamboo forest close to a bunch of gas rocks east of the megavoid (southern edge of the red plateau), if that helps

[sick falcon]

why are you packaging fuel

[shy temple]

For the diluted fuel

[hard wolf]

progress ^-^

[shy temple]

It was an experiement I tried, whoops

[wet moon]

yo what is up with these mercer spheres, no spoilers but like, this thing keeps telling me to look out the window or something😭

[west jackal]

i was happy belting my crude oil from the miner

[sick falcon]

do enemies respawn if theyre on a vehicles path

[hard wolf]

if you're not experimenting and improvising weird stuff on the fly, are you really playing Satisfactory?

[shy temple]

wait, it wasnt my experiment....

[hard wolf]

I don't know. apparently enemies aren't supposed to respawn around powered buildings but spiders keep popping up in the SAM/quartz cave I'm pulling those resources from in the rocky desert

[west jackal]

i posted a screenshot of my whole 20/min turbo motor factory. didnt consider exactly how many machines actually went into that because i have like 6 factories feeding it...

[cursive crane]

Witness our scripture, witness our windows, have you come to defile our shrine? Sing us a song.

[hard wolf]

so (hopefully) trucks won't block their spawn. if they do just reroute them far enough away from that spot that they pop up again

OCD is pain 😭

[sick falcon]

now if only trucks could auto pick up remains 😔

[west jackal]

did you just say my factory looks stupid? 😛

[wet moon]

why does it sometimes not say anything after i pick it up

[west jackal]

its only 20 turbo motors a minute

[cursive crane]

Theres only so many voicelines, i suspect the lines are tied to the amount you have picked up because they seem to have some sort of order
For further discussion on that tho #story-spoilers

[hard wolf]

neurodivergence + PTSD = I'm fucked upside down and trying to cope with it. sure, noodle town is a mess, but that's me circumventing my desire for everything to be a certain way for the sake of convenience. my overwashed, dried out hands (I'm using moisturizing soap now, so it's not as much of an issue) can tell you what you need to know. I don't have cute OCD. I have OCD OCD

[west jackal]

there max. i sent the rest of the factories

(pressure motor alt, so need pcc)

[hard wolf]

also noodle town is a cute name, and that in and of itself is an incentive to make more mess. also the desire to rebelliously build around what others find acceptable :3

[west jackal]

nope not one

DeafBringer would yell at me if i did that

[flat swallow]

can anyone pls help me with dedicated servers 😔, i cant join my friends server

[hard wolf]

it's a blessing and a curse. I like to think that Wes Anderson and I would get along pretty well x3c

[west jackal]

LOL

[hard wolf]

something something catgirl

[west jackal]

are you... uh... a catgirl?

[hard wolf]

:3c

[west jackal]

i dont understand what the c after the :3 face means

[hard wolf]

it's like holding your hand up to your chin mischeviously

[west jackal]

isnt it backwards?

[hard wolf]

no, because :3 is the cat face and the c is the hand

[west jackal]

WIAT :3 IS A CAT FACE?!

i thought it was just a smiley face

have people been thinking im a cat person by using it...

[hard wolf]

look, you can use whatever ascimoji seems most appropriate

[west jackal]

xd

[hard wolf]

if that's your vibe, roll with it

[finite mirage]

to my understanding, mycelia isn't renewable is it? neither is it farmable

[hard wolf]

no, but you can swap mycelia fabric out with polyester fabric fueled by polymer resin

[finite mirage]

ohhh okay

[west jackal]

max your 😺 is very cute

that.. didnt sound right. i meant no innuendos

damn. my gf wants to get a couple cats. i love cats but im more of a dog person

[hard wolf]

it wasn't weird until you said that :P

I want to have cats, dogs, birds, and rodents that mesh well together and get along

[west jackal]

.. not my style. my gf would prolly agree with you though

welp. gonna go to bed. c yall later

[hard wolf]

gnight. I hope things get better ^-^

[dense violet]

get both

[hard wolf]

no, but I can inform you of the existence of pallas cats

I think antlions from HL2 are cute, so my appreciation index might be skewed

[finite mirage]

how does satisfactory run all the factories, i can't run more than 10 high output farms in minecraft

oh minecraft is single threaded

glory be to alpacas

[dense violet]

pretty sure SF is also single thread

[finite mirage]

then what's the engineering genius that results in this kind of performance

[dense violet]

nfi 🙂

[cursive crane]

Gamedev magic

The slightly longer answer is that basically all the machines are doing is simple addition/subtraction

Minecraft farms do a lot more than that and thus are more performance intensive

[dense violet]

SF doesn't have to account for a billion blocks ?

[finite mirage]

ohhh, so it just doesnt "simulate" all the stuff

makes sense, that's what the create mod does too innit?

[cursive crane]

Basically. Gamedev at this scale is also on a whole other level, coffee stain has done a ton of optimization towards making the game run right, but still at higher levels the game can chug some if you stick a lot into one area

[finite mirage]

well that's cuz of rendering the items

which, i think could be avoided, but im no gamedev

that's epic

[dense violet]

a lot of the 'items' are virtual in the game too?

plus they do something something about walls and foundatiosn snapped to each other being 1 object

[finite mirage]

but like if ur building something really big, wouldn't it cause lag spike each time u add something?

[cursive crane]

A deal like that is so much more nuanced than "good for us bad for them" im sure there were positives on both sides though, it definetely helped SF become what it is now

[dense violet]

apparently not

[finite mirage]

mechanical hands are the ruler of everything

[hollow nova]

[cursive crane]

To be fair, minecraft also does a lot towards optimizing farms. Entity cramming, spawn chunk render changes, there are even mods that help with this by turning off AI for creatures in areas that are detected as farms as such

Also kinda depends what you are playing on, most large servers these days are actually multiple servers working together

[hollow nova]

In all seriousness, satisfactory runs better than Minecraft as the devs are forging their own path rather than following in the footsteps of others. If MC was re-written from scratch with optimization in mind it could have much better performance, but that’s pretty much impossible nowadays, and all we get are QOL updates rather than community feedback like SF devs provide.

[cursive crane]

Thats what the modded scene is for. Only noobs and console players play vanilla these days

You cant hate on either one really, there are difficulties with both ways they are made

[wet moon]

what the shit are these input/output amounts on quartz

22.5 quarts per min makes 37.5 silica per min, like how do i even use this

[hollow nova]

Dlss

[dense violet]

change the unit of time you measure in and decimals dissapear

6 hogs head to the furlong

[hollow hazel]

@random sun Yes, hi, here's a simple and rather blunt review to your art:

It does not look like it is Satisfactory related and will be gone from the channel pretty soon.

[dense violet]

also 22.5 is 60% of 37.5

[shy temple]

had to AFK, was just a backup in my diluted fuel. A pressure relief on a line and all good

turbofuel back up and running

[cunning sinew]

hi guys i come here once again to ask if there's eventually any smaller lights that is not giant ceiling ones or lamp poles

[normal orbit]

signs

[shy temple]

Only the signs unfortunately. Give a good light effect, but not exactly a light.

[normal orbit]

they emit light with lumen on

quite a lot on 1.2 with the update

#satisfactory-experimental message with lumen 1.2 vs 1.1 :p

[cunning sinew]

ty guys

[shy temple]

I love backtracing problem. So the problem in the diluted was actually a water shortage at the water bottler becaue one small pipe was MK1 instead of MK2

[hard wolf]

what about on absolute black coated concrete? (I can't see anything in my factories :c)

[cursive topaz]

guys is there any reason to tap more than one sam node

like is the infrastructure needed late game?

[white dawn]

Depends if you need more SAM than that one node provides

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message

[white dawn]

In general I recommend against trying to "future-proof" anything; just build whatever you need right now, and if you need more later, build more!

[cursive topaz]

Is it used for anything more than dd up loaders

[white dawn]

Sounds like something you'll discover in the fullness of time! However: ||yes, indeed.||

But, again, IMO it's not worth putting more miners down than you need at the moment. By the time you do need more, who knows where you'll be building?

[cursive topaz]

Thanks, I am like 0.5% into phase 4 so I just want to get things going before I go nuts

[hard wolf]

SAM is used to make reanimated SAM which can be used to make ficsite ingots, convert a variety of resources into other resources, make dark matter residue to supplement production lines that need it, or make SAM fluctuators which are used to build alien power augmentors, converters, DD uploaders, portals, and alien power matrices which bolster the grid boost of alien power augmenters. it's an incredible material, but not super useful until tier 9 (aside from in depots)

1 node is probably enough until tier 9

[cursive topaz]

Damn and I thought aluminum refinement was complex

[hard wolf]

you could use SAM and bauxite to build a low output nuke nobelisk production line ^-^

just make sure you overflow it into a sink so the whole area isn't hazardous

[cursive topaz]

Yea pretty much all of my sam is running through a machine then Into a sink

At like 14k normally

Points that is

[hard wolf]

as long as you have that sending SAM fluctuators to a buffer and a depot and then overflowing into a sink, you shouldn't have to worry about it for a while

[cursive topaz]

I was just thinking about it as I was running a conveyar back to my base from a bauixit mode (however you spell it

[hard wolf]

converters aren't unlocked until tier 9, and you shouldn't have to worry about them until you need them to make a thing or you find out you can't belt enough coal, sulfur, nitrogen gas, etc., to your factory

bauxite, and you can't really utilize SAM to it's full potential yet

[cursive topaz]

I did mention I was phase 4 right

I got my hands on aluminum

Oh oh mb mb

[hard wolf]

yeah. it won't be a big deal until you hit phase 5

[cursive topaz]

Fun

I’ll focus on making an aluminum factory

I just strung one together for the night and bru I made spaghetti and I’m not happy about it

[hard wolf]

just know that SAM is an incredibly useful and versatile resource. it can 100% fill in the gaps of your factories once you hit tier 9

[hard wolf]

#screenshots message

[cursive topaz]

My ocd

[hard wolf]

I'm calling it pasta town :3

[hard wolf]

I went on a whole spiel earlier about circumventing my own OCD for the sake of convence and effiency. plus it's technically temporary as the platform above is going to be my depot mall, though after disconnecting all of the inputs and feeding them onto the platform I'm going to leave all of that as a museum

[cursive topaz]

That makes sense

My phase one and two factories where a mess so I overhauled

Phase 3 was kinda shortened cus of tickets

And I don’t want to make 100 nuclear pasta

But he he I’ll enjoy the hell

I’m looking forward to prioritizing nuclear power cus I love doing power logistics

[hard wolf]

I've already expanded it to fuel the construction of the rocket fuel plant/packaged ionized fuel plant, nuclear plant, and depot mall, as well as adding 4 portals (8 singularity cells/m but I'm making 10/m) and making it a very awkward travel hub. it's doing exactly what it needs to

[hard wolf]

I hand fed phase 4 aside from my framework, ACU, and modular engine factories and stockpiles. pasta isn't terrible if you use the pure copper ingot alt in the refineries. all of the pure alts are very efficient (aside from aluminum which prevents you from having to make silica)

I will make a proper phase 5 factory, though

[cursive topaz]

I kninda want to watch a play though just to see how the scale needs to look

If I have that in mind I can build anything

[hard wolf]

totalxclipse has a guided playthrough, though I've found that experience is the best teacher and between that and asking here I've been able to build factories faster and utilize alts more effectively (they're all good)

[cursive topaz]

I don’t necessarily want a guide

Just a guy playing the game in a serious not josh manner

Like what does a progression look like up through phase 4

[cunning sinew]

guys is there any way to eventually remove those farting rocks

[hard wolf]

@earnest condor I ended up using rigor and electric motor, btw. thanks for the suggestion :3

[cursive topaz]

Nobelisk

[cunning sinew]

i havent unlocked that yet but i'm glad there's eventually a way

[cursive topaz]

Get sulfur and coal

[cursive topaz]

Research the mam tree

[cunning sinew]

bet

[hard wolf]

nobelisks were my most useful exploration tool, up until homing ammo. I honestly think homing ammo is better than turbo ammo, mostly because of the t3 gas stingers (I haven't made turbo ammo yet, so that might still change, but homing ammo is so nice xwx)

[cunning sinew]

OHH that's to destroy those big rocks too okay nice nice

[cursive topaz]

And once you unlock it you can just use tickets to get 50 of em

[cunning sinew]

#screenshots message

[hard wolf]

I used tickets to rush phase 4 and wish I had saved them for hard drives so I don't have to search for them

[cursive topaz]

I rushed phase three my only regret

[hard wolf]

setting up handfeed factories is the way. save your tickets

[cursive topaz]

And I learned if you dup somersloops you can’t destroy them, so I hid them to never be found

That was a noob mistake

[hard wolf]

I built a whole factory for it and it was a wonderful learning experience #screenshots message

[cursive topaz]

I have similar pictures I just don’t know how to do that mention thing

And that’s how you satisfy the ocd monster

[hard wolf]

5x somersloops processing enemy bits to protien and then dna capsules quadruples your output and is 100% worth

[wet moon]

just got my coal power going, buisness is booming #screenshots message

[hard wolf]

right click on the message where you sent the image and select "copy message link"

[cursive topaz]

Ah

[cursive topaz]

Yea but that feels cheaty when you have like 10 stacks of 50

[cursive topaz]

Once you get fuel coal power becomes obsolete

[hard wolf]

that's more "intended game mechanic" than hypertube cannons. it's free real estate :3

[hard wolf]

coal is a great supplemental power source

[wet moon]

welp, at least i have unlimited energy for now, will convert it all to steel production when i have enough fuel but not at that point yet

[hard wolf]

it's not obsolete until you can massively overwhelm it's output with nuclear and rocket fuel, and it's worth keeping if it's making like 4 to 6 Mw

[cursive topaz]

Duplicating somersloops is not intended

[hard wolf]

I think coal generators become obsolete when you have the good HOR to rocket fuel alts, but you still need your coal generators to get that up and running

[hard wolf]

that wasn't implied enough. I was just talking about quadrupling alien DNA output xwx

[cursive topaz]

Well yea that’s peak

But not being able to destroy an item you shouldn’t have

More than 103 of

And I remember the days when I had a plant that only needed 500mw to run now I’m using 5gw

[hard wolf]

were you using the driving a truck through a door onto the blueprinter glitch? I've heard about it but haven't tried it. I want to stay away from hacky stuff until I've completed phase 5 (I won't use glitches but will use mods), and there are better ways to deposit stuff into your inventory (which I don't want to use)

[cursive topaz]

Also @hard wolf #screenshots message

[cursive topaz]

Yea, it was cool for like five mins then I felt like why am I cheating at a game that actually gives me dopamine and doesn’t make me wanna jump off a bridge. So I used my cannon blasted across the map to a genuinely unknown location built a container and got rid of them

And on second thought I could have built an actual storage conitaner used nudge to bury it build a second one with a belt lift and store the items in it and deleted the top bits hidden and unless one knows where it is un accessible

[hard wolf]

if it works, it works

[cursive topaz]

That was before I spent the better part of two days building a 9x9 fluid pipeline from where those tall mushrooms and oil are, too the grassy plains

Actually it wasn’t before

It was before I plugged it in

[hard wolf]

I'm of the opinion that the blue crater is the best spot for fuel. build up to rocket fuel, convert it over to ionized as you need to power your drone/truck grids, and set up a new rocket fuel factory in the gold coast if you really need it after the nuclear plant and the excess from the blue coast plant (it has a closer nitrogen well than the spire coast, but you can build in the spire coast if you don't need the rocky desert well in the rocky desert, but I do because that's where I'm setting up my depot mall)

the gold coast is the islands on the satisfactory calculator map. it's on the west of the continent

and it has a fantastic crude output between the nodes and the well, which is why it's piped to the depot mall site :3

[cursive topaz]

I should familiarize myself with the names of things

[hard wolf]

definitely familiarize yourself with satisfactory calculator, satisfactory tools, and satisfactory modeler (free on steam)

also satisfactory.wiki.gg

[cursive topaz]

I use the calculator to see what I need for something total

But rn I need to fix aluminum, get my hands on nuclear, and then go nuts with nuclear power

[hard wolf]

I find it to be a good source for alt recipe suggestions. I plan everything out in modeler

[cursive topaz]

And maybe install a mod that lets me sink nuclear waste

I’m sure there is one

And alt recipes are annoying the rng sucks

[hard wolf]

you would definitely benefit from modeler. you can easily plan your factory out to ficsonium rods and not have to worry about sinking anything

just stockpile scanned drives in the mam and wait to reroll them until you need something specific

[hybrid kestrel]

whats the most efficient way to turn a 3 item sushi (?) belt into 3 containers with overflow deletion? the only way i can think uses 4 smart splitters
or actually can i do it with 2 where it splits the belt into 2 + overflow, and then the 2 into the two outputs

[cursive topaz]

I use it I just don’t like how outdated it looks tbh and calculator is nice cus it plots all the things when i say I want screws for instance

[hard wolf]

put an overflow before the sorters

[cursive topaz]

That’s smarter than what I was thinking

Or just don’t use a sushi belt that always works but never a load balancer

[hard wolf]

if you wanna be super thorough, put an overflow before each of the sorters, though an overflow betwen the sorters and the buffers/depots is definitely best

[dense violet]

an overflow before the sorter could still get 1 item clogging the whole line

[cursive topaz]

Smart splitter and set that “overflow to any undefined

[hard wolf]

this message is the best answer

#satisfactory message

[dense violet]

efficient doesn't really have much meaning here - 1 extra splitter or so makes negligible difference

simplest would be just SS with item and over flow forward until you're last one overflows to a sink

but you could do it in 2 if you want instead of 3

[river ingot]

Yeah just have 3 smart splitters before / next to the containers
Say right side specific item
Middle over flow
That way the items go to their containers but if they fill up it'll just keep going through to the sink without clogging

[cursive topaz]

Depends on how you arrange your storage array

[hard wolf]

1 extra smart splitter before you can/want to automate ai limiters is a huge difference, though smart splitters are ridiculously useful and I suggest depoting limiters asap

they can make some complex production lines (like the plubber feedback loop) trivial

but that requires priority mergers

geniously smart :3

[hybrid kestrel]

idk why i thought limiters were way harder to make, i just only had a few in my inv trying to fix something my friend set up last night

thank you for the help though guys^^

[hard wolf]

I mean same, and in retrospect they're super easy, but it's also really easy to bolt ai limiters onto the overflow of the plubber factory in Pasta Town. at this point I think it was a massive oversight on my part, but I hadn't understood the usefulness of smart splitters until recently

[cursive topaz]

Thus is why I like fluids more than items

So much easier to deal with

[hard wolf]

but sloshing 😭

[hybrid kestrel]

im working on phase 3 now, we spent the whole of yesterday making a iron factory but looking at it now i think we messed it up somewhere

[cursive topaz]

That’s not hard to fix just fill the pipes

And pre load them before you turn the system on

[hard wolf]

is it underfeeding or overfeeding?

[hybrid kestrel]

i think its working as efficient as it can be we just didn't have any orbs spare to depot stuff & we only focused on the end goals of rotors + modular frames

[hard wolf]

you can always look for spheres afterwatds

[hybrid kestrel]

waking up and taking a look at your factory is maybe the most humbling thing ever

[cursive topaz]

Are Mercer spheres a limited resource like somersloops?

[leaden turret]

yes

[hard wolf]

yeah but there's like 300 of them. you can do all of the research and still have plenty to spare

[cursive topaz]

Mmm yay more collectibles

The road to a 100% gets longer

[hybrid kestrel]

do you guys eventually have just a depot for every part?

[normal orbit]

naw, dont need every part. some not used at all in building

[cursive topaz]

Some do, we call them malls

[normal orbit]

and some parts more than one depot

[cursive topaz]

I aspire some day to have one industrial storage container full of every item in the game

[hard wolf]

multiple if necessary, though I'm planning on 1 for everything except for 8 for limestone and at least 2 for plastic bc I make a lot of coated concrete blocks and even then I'll still have plenty left over bc that's < 60 for everything

[cursive topaz]

How big do nuclear pastas stack…?

[hard wolf]

I wanna say 50 but I have no reason to upload those

[normal orbit]

50

[cursive topaz]

I think I am reaching a little higher than I should

[sleek flower]

having multiple doesnt increase the amount stored right ? only the uploading speed ?

[cursive topaz]

A full container that’s oh my lord

At one per min

[normal orbit]

correct

[hard wolf]

correct, but that's important if you're emptying it quickly

[sleek flower]

sure ty

[cursive topaz]

That would take I think a few irl days afk

[sleek flower]

1440 per day, roughly 29 stacks

[normal orbit]

48 slots a 50 each is... 2400, at 1 per min thats 40 hours

[hard wolf]

I can rely on emptying my concrete depot stockpile in minutes. 8 depots hopefully adapts to that

5 stacks of concrete is basically nothing

[cursive topaz]

Not to mention the time to make all of the parts and the factory itself

Ugh this is gonna be fun

Why do I hate myself

Why

[normal orbit]

pain so close to pleasure

[hard wolf]

automate. even if it's cramming materials into a bunch of containers feeding into the machines making the thing you need. at least you can build off of that (which is 90% of the reason Pasta Town exists)

[cursive topaz]

I mean how many people can say they have a full industrial container of just pastas

Just to look at

Not for a 100x play though

Just so I can be like I have that

[hard wolf]

I can't because I'm making as many as I need to feed the sinculary cell machine that powers my portal hub :3

but I have 4 portals which is 8/m and the manufacturer makes 10/m, so eventually...

[cursive topaz]

Pastas are the hardest item in the game right

Or do I need to be put onto something

[normal orbit]

no, pasta isnt hard

[hard wolf]

it's a lot of copper, but the pure copper ingots recipe helps a lot with that

fused modular frames aren't terrible, especially if that's all you need nitrogen gas for

[cursive topaz]

Tell me what is the hardest item in the game to get

[normal orbit]

nothings really hard. it all comes down to scale

[cursive topaz]

Because I want bragging rights to being clinically insane

[hard wolf]

silicon circuit boards is the most efficient input to output coupon ration

[cursive topaz]

And dumping more time into this game than my sleep schedule or career

[rich parrot]

You could try to tackle the classic 60 Ballistic Warp Drives per minute challenge.

[normal orbit]

setting up a nuclear plant to use all 2100 uranium to make the maximum 1470GW of power is a challenge to set up with logistics

[cursive topaz]

2100 uranium nodes?

[hard wolf]

having an ionized packaged fuel network definitely helps with that

[normal orbit]

2 normal + 3 impure = 2100 uranium

[cursive topaz]

Oh that’s total map

Yea that doesn’t sound hard

I mean relatively

I wonder if a mrk 6 belt can handle 1200/m how much factory would be required to make that much pasta

I need to Google some stuff tmr

[hard wolf]

1200/m is exactly how much a mk6 belt can handle

[cursive topaz]

Yea so what I’m saying is, can the world itself produce enough resources to make 1200 a min nuclear pastas

[hard wolf]

with SAM nodes and converters? hopefully

[glacial totem]

Can I feed an assembler with just storage crate outlets, and if that crate has a bunch of other shit in it, will the assembler only pull what it needs?

[cursive topaz]

I just need the numbers for 1/m nuclear pastas then I just x1200

[rich parrot]

Not even close. You can realistically get something like 100 per min.

[cursive topaz]

Dang it, but I need to be irradiated in the quantum space

[hard wolf]

no. you'll either need smart splitters outputting enough to sort the rest of the items, or only that item in the container

[glacial totem]

thanks

[hard wolf]

ofc :3

[glacial totem]

I'm at the bit where I need to combine things like copper + steel parts for the Elevator, and I'm thinking it will be faster to just assembler it than build an entire mixed ore factory

[cursive topaz]

Until you need to do it for the next phase 1000 more times than the last

[hard wolf]

if you have refineries you can use the pure caterium/copper/iron recipes to stretch out your ore inputs

[rich parrot]

You will have use of those in the next phases as well, so automation is worth it.

[cursive topaz]

That requires finding the hard drives that give the recipes

[glacial totem]

DAMMIT

[cursive topaz]

And that is a pain the behind

[glacial totem]

I don't think I know what a refinery is yet. Well in the game, anyway

[reef basin]

But also next phase you may build a different factory, so both ways work

Personally I wouldn't care about future and just do what you need now

[rich parrot]

All you need is a single belt snaking across the landscape to deliver the other item to the other. Later on you can make it look prettier.

[cursive topaz]

Just wait, it’s coming, just focus on a small scale automated factory, that gets what you need for the elevator

[glacial totem]

copper and steel is like 3 ores though!

[hard wolf]

you can also build Pasta Town until you're ready for something permanent (it requires smart splitters and priority mergers)

#screenshots message

[cursive topaz]

I forgot that steel needed just iron and coal

I’m used to so so so much more

[glacial totem]

I probably will. I just realised I've got a lime + steel factory already and I didn't whinge about that

[glacial totem]

ok Mr bigshot lol

[cursive topaz]

I’m not that much further along

The game scales quickly

[glacial totem]

"pasta town" is a good name for my save file

[hard wolf]

iron wire and pipe recipes are good for minimizing coal/copper requirements

[cursive topaz]

One min it’s oh I need more steel beams, the next it’s I need copper for this this this and that’s I need more screws than the military, enough concrete to pave the world, and trying to get rid of more water than I’m putting into the system

[cursive topaz]

I think I have the steel screws recipe I’m just not using it

[hard wolf]

encased industrial pipes uses steel pipes (which can be fed by iron pipes) and concrete, which means no coal :3

[cursive topaz]

I do have the alt fabric one which is a life saver, water and poly

[hard wolf]

wet concrete stretches limestone a lot but you'll always need limestone

[cursive topaz]

I seem to not need it oddly enough

Not yet

[tall lantern]

bear in mind there's so much ore on the map that you don't need to stretch most of 'em to their max

nearly 70k limestone for example

[cursive topaz]

Did you read up to our talk about 1200/m pastas

[glacial totem]

Alternate recipe parts are still treated as their base though right? steel screws are still screws?

[tall lantern]

yes, it's only the recipe that's different

[cursive topaz]

Yes

[glacial totem]

Ok.

[cursive topaz]

If you get your hands on cast screws, that is the be all end all of recipes

[tall lantern]

lol

[cursive topaz]

I’m still looking for it

[hard wolf]

or get enough alts to never have to make screws again :3

[rich parrot]

Until you start using the rest of the alts and never need to produce screws at all 😛

[tall lantern]

it is very nice at the stage you can first get it, but tails off when you get access to other ways of making rods

[cursive topaz]

But now with the hazmat suit I can get to more drop pods

[lyric zodiac]

Is there something later on that steals limestone from being used for making concrete? I can't imagine that many foundations ever become necessary

[glacial totem]

I got a reinforced plate recipe that yeah it makes them faster but it required a copper feed and it would have thrown my whole factory out of order

[tall lantern]

that's fine, build another factory if you want to use it

[cursive topaz]

You don’t know how many foundations one can need then

[hard wolf]

limestone is 100% necessary for concrete and you'll need it to make other stuff, but it's plentiful enough that you shouldn't have to worry about running out

wet concrete is the way

[cursive topaz]

I think I passed up wet concrete without knowing it at one point

[lyric zodiac]

I've barely scratched the surface of mid game (as far as I know) so you're almost certainly right

[glacial totem]

I'm going to stop reading now! too many things I haven't heard of yet don't want to spoil the surprise

[rich parrot]

In early game you can just keep shoving your mouth full of nuts and berries while you are near radiation.

[cursive topaz]

So I am screwed for the rest of the game

[lyric zodiac]

it can come back around 😄

[hard wolf]

you're more likely to have to feed limestone and reanimated SAM into a converter to make something else than you are to run out

[tall lantern]

all recipes can be obtained

[cursive topaz]

I thought that once you see it, it’s gone permanently

Like rng and the game just sucks at explaining that

[tall lantern]

heck you'll have drives left over

[hard wolf]

if it's not in your drive library it'll pop up again

[tall lantern]

it's RNG which you see per scan

[reef basin]

You can get all recipes

And all of them have a use anyway

[cursive topaz]

Like the somersloops where they are limited so don’t loose them

Cus if you miss place one it’s hell to find

[cursive topaz]

Well now I know

[brisk crow]

morning

[hard wolf]

OC supercomputers can prevent you from having to make computers at all

[cursive topaz]

I need that

Right now

I don’t have the oil production to handle turbo fuel and rubber

And plastic

[lyric zodiac]

That's true, the game is good at explaining a lot - but it definitely doesn't tell you much about recipe library stacking / the fact that all recipes can be gathered

[reef basin]

That's not true

[hard wolf]

it is if you don't need computers elsewhere in the production line. also, I said can

not will

[reef basin]

How do you build blenders? Or signals?

[hard wolf]

I'm not talking about a depot mall, where one might want every possible item produced

[reef basin]

Not every possible, just every useful

And you mentioned "produced at all"

[hard wolf]

I would know, as I have a list of every item required for building

but heatsinks can be useful for opening crash sites, so they're not useless

[hard wolf]

and that's correct, if no other part of the production line requires computers, including alts that except them

I feel you're being needlessly pedantic. I'm talking about conditionals. not the game at large

[reef basin]

So it's not "never produce computers", but "don't produce computers in a supercomputer factory, and only if you select specific recipes"

Because you mentioned it as a generic thing, not limited to specific recipe chain in one product

[hard wolf]

needlessly pedantic

I phrased it situationally, not generically

can is the important word there

[reef basin]

OC supercomputers can prevent you from having to make computers at all

Doesn't sound like it's only for SCs

[hard wolf]

it can be applied to multiple situations, not just supercomputers. again, can, not will

are you mad I called you out? :/

I've gotten over my tendency to hold grudges. maybe you'd be happier if you did as well?

[reef basin]

what

[hard wolf]

last night, about hypertube cannons, when I called you a curmudgeon

[reef basin]

I'm aware about "can", that's not my problem

my problem is "at all", which sounds like you never need computers anywhere. While it should be "for supercomputers" instead of "at all"

[reef basin]

I didn't even read that message, or if I did, I ignored it. I don't even know that you were in last night's discussion tbh

[hard wolf]

give me all of the production lines that take computers and I'll try to work computers out of all of them

[hard wolf]

I think that's bullshit

you responded to me the whole time

[reef basin]

I talk with tons of people on daily basis and have pretty bad memory for names. And mostly don't even read the names, just msgs

[hard wolf]

I don't believe you, but okay

[reef basin]

it happens very often that someone comes to me with "hey we talked X days back about Y, do you remember" and I legit do not

[hard wolf]

I think you're trying to brush it off and act like you weren't bothered :3c

[reef basin]

I legit am not, and I legit do not remember that msg

[hard wolf]

then you probably wanted to forget

[reef basin]

see, this is something different than "one recipe make you not make computers at all"

[hard wolf]

which is why I said can. it's not gauranteed, and I never implied it was

[reef basin]

again, it's not about can vs will, it's about "at all" vs "for supercomputers"

[reef basin]

and honestly I don't really care about people calling me names, if it goes over line, there's moderator ping, in other cases, people are free to think anything they want 🤷

[hard wolf]

can prevent you from having to make computers at all, which isn't wrong

[reef basin]

yeah but the original message reads "one recipe can prevent you from making computers everywhere"

[hard wolf]

but can implies that it's not guaranteed

[tall lantern]

can implies that it's optional

you can if you want, or you stick with the recipes that do

[reef basin]

I'm aware, but:

• it's not just one recipe, you need at least two to prevent SCs from needing computers
• "making everywhere" implies that all production lines ever, as well as your mall, will never need computers

again (for like 5th time), I'm not talking about the "can vs will".

[hard wolf]

there are also recipes that make computers more than worth making, especially if you're already producing the required items and can overproduce them into a computer factory using that specific recipe (crystal computers, for example), but it is possible to minimize the number of different unique items required in a factory

[reef basin]

sure, but the keyword is in a factory, which you didn't mention before

[hard wolf]

a mall requires a need for computers, as they are a required building material, so I don't know where yyou got that idea, and I even clarified that

[reef basin]

I'm aware you clarified it after, but my initial point was pre-clarification and related to the first msg you wrote

[hard wolf]

I didn't need to, as I was talking about eliminating the need for computers in a production line

[reef basin]

in a supercomputer production line

which sounds very different from "at all"

[hard wolf]

a production line that requires supercomputers

[reef basin]

yeah. If you used that instead of "at all", then I'd be totally fine with it

[hard wolf]

again, neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedlessly pedantic

[tall lantern]

you get used to it

(or just ignore)

[reef basin]

given the amount of misinformation running around, I kinda need to be

[hard wolf]

my statement doesn't guarantee that they can avoid producing computers. just that it's possible

[meager gate]

pedantry? in the satisfactory discord? I'm shocked!

[hard wolf]

the problem is that they're calling me out on something I said that is accurate and that I haven't run into anyone else like that to such a degree. this is practice in standing my ground against those who want to wrongfully correct me

[finite mirage]

Seasoned sf player here, about to complete phase 1 for the third time, my last play only lasted 70 hours and ended at t6 i think, any advice?

[reef basin]

the statement was inaccurate until you clarified it

[hard wolf]

it wasn't. you just decided it wasn't specific enough for you

[hard wolf]

stockpile the outputs of your project factory

[finite mirage]

What does that mean

[reef basin]

well, if you say "at all", that's indeed not specific at all

[reef basin]

advice: don't look for generic tips, play the game yourself, only come here when you get stuck 🙂

[finite mirage]

at all (i have no clue on whats going on 🤡)

[hard wolf]

if you've automated it, feed each output into at least 2x industrial depots so that when you're ready to work on phase 2 (which I now realize isn't much bc phase 1 is just smart plating, but that strategy will help you with the rest of the phases) you'll have more than enough of that item to complete the phase or make the required items

[finite mirage]

Nah for example on my first playthrough i didnt know coal was a thing so i wasted so much time making a futureproof biofuel power setup which made my playing ecperience very unenjoyable

[hard wolf]

can prevent you from having to make computers at all. it isn't that hard. you're just being a prick

[reef basin]

well, "don't futureproof" would be a hint I guess

[hard wolf]

it's not guaranteed. I even worded it to make that clear

[reef basin]

it isn't that hard to write that, you're just being a prick

[finite mirage]

Whatre u guys beefing over

[reef basin]

for like 1000th time, I have no problem with the word "can"

[hard wolf]

no, I don't think so, because you're being a helpless pedant

[hard wolf]

if you had any reading comprehension we wouldn't be having this conversation

but you decided to nitpick, and so here we are

[reef basin]

well given that you keep replying to me with your arguments why the word "can" was correctly used (which I never doubted), I wonder who is the one who can't read

my issue was always with the "at all"

[hard wolf]

can

I'm blocking you, troll

[reef basin]

again, "can" is not the issue here

OC supercomputer won't prevent you (and can not prevent you) from having to make computers for storage

(which the "at all" claims)

[hard wolf]

I said mall, you beligerent buffoon

[reef basin]

mall, storage, whatever you call it, doesn't matter

same thing

[hard wolf]

and my first statement doesn't include the mall

[reef basin]

which you didn't specify

[leaden turret]

XKCD-386, block each other and move on

[hard wolf]

pedant

[reef basin]

sure

[hard wolf]

you're definitely salty about last night, otherwise you wouldn't care this much

[reef basin]

I have literally no memory of the message you said you wrote

[hard wolf]

you can pretend to brush me off all you want, but I'm here and you definitely acknowledged my existence

if you forgot it's because you didn't want to remember

[reef basin]

trust me, I've met dozens of people just like you, all the same arguments, all the same behavior. I don't care about that at all

[hard wolf]

and now you're trying to pick me apart because you're mad, but I won't let you

[leaden turret]

☝️☝️☝️☝️

my vertical monitor is now full if you both being weird

[hard wolf]

anyways, hypertube cannons are valid, loved, and should be encouraged as they're the only travel method slower than portals 🖤

[tall lantern]

maybe not encouraged, but valid sure

wait I'm being dragged in

[hard wolf]

that's fair. but I might be the wrierdest girl you've ever met :3

[hard wolf]

greeny and I had an argument about that last night, and I think this current kerfuffle might stem from that #satisfactory message

I basically called them a fossil. ironically I might like to become friends

[reef basin]

doesn't at all

[leaden turret]

oh yeah you must be new here if you haven't learned not to mention hypertubes when greeny is awake

[hard wolf]

please don't ignore that last message

also, I don't believe you

[leaden turret]

@tall lantern you wanna have a discussion about why lizard doggo parts should be able to craft cheese nobelisks, since these two won't shut up arguing at each other?

[hard wolf]

something something let lizard doggos find high tier items

I need to work on my packaged ionized fuel factory :c

[tall lantern]

better than the cloaca one I guess... I am supposed to be working though

[leaden turret]

1. it was made canon that lizard doggo milk is highly combustible
2. the pioneer can craft nobelisks from gun powder

therefore the pioneer should be able to craft cheese nobelisks

[hard wolf]

what are cheese nobelisks in this context? cluster?

[tall lantern]

would the milk still retain its properties as cheese?

[leaden turret]

I'm going to pretend the pasturisation process stabilises the combustibility outside of the lizard doggo

[hard wolf]

y'all got me vomiting. I'm not meant for this much stress 😭

[tall lantern]

might just be lactose intolerance

[ebon marten]

close discord and touch some grass

[hard wolf]

are you calling greeny milky? o.O

[leaden turret]

[hard wolf]

I was at the lake this week, bag of frozen peas in hand, ready to feed the wildlife (there wasn't any :c)

the river spot was better but that's 2 hours away xwx

[tall lantern]

well I wasn't, but sure let's roll with it

[hard wolf]

I'm trynna sip but they're too sour :c

[dense violet]

no it's because you're spouting wrong and incorrect things

[hard wolf]

where?

[rough shore]

what are we yapping about today

[viral tendon]

How goated satisfactory is

[hard wolf]

it's basically the best game ever

[rough shore]

woah woah

[viral tendon]

Satisfactory might just have the best replayability out of story games

[rough shore]

maybe

maybe not

[dense violet]

... there's a story?

[viral tendon]

Like story games as single playthrough intended

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory message

[rough shore]

makes sense 🤷‍♂️

[viral tendon]

Never in my life i wanted to replay a game that took me 559 hours to complete

[rich parrot]

Satisfactory has about as much story as Tetris lmao. It is one of the most paper-thin stories out there.

[viral tendon]

There is some vro

Tetris has none

[leaden turret]

tetris has zero story.

satisfactory has story written by dnd fan

[viral tendon]

Also off topic but the 5 second slowmode is doing jackshit

[low bone]

This game makes my brain hurt but I love it

[viral tendon]

Okay it was written by a dnd fan but it doesn't change the amount of it

[low bone]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mitchells-vs-the-machines-the-pain-only-makes-me-stronger-furby-the-pain-feels-good-gif-21473967

[leaden turret]

you love the game or you love the brain?

[reef basin]

it's a reasonable balance between "no super-fast spam" and "let normal people write as fast as they want"

[viral tendon]

I can assume they meant that they like how it hurts their brain

[low bone]

Yes

[viral tendon]

I'm talking about the fact that there's not enough people in this chat to super-fast spam so 5 seconds seems unreasonable

[low bone]

I’m currently experiencing the ever expanding rats nest of a logistics floor that seems to merge all in one area at the centre because of my own laziness

[viral tendon]

What is the logistic floor

Are you making a factory in a building?

[reef basin]

well, many of those don't do the spam anymore because of the slowmode. And yeah, EU noon time wouldn't be a good time for large activity anyway

but they tried lifting it a few times, and it often backfired, so I'd rather have 5 seconds between messages than the spam we had

[viral tendon]

I'm curious what time did they lift it to

[low bone]

It’s a floor beneath all my production buildings meant for conveyors to save space on the actual production floor

[reef basin]

can't do less than 5 seconds afaik
maybe with some bot or something

but normal UI doesn't offer less than 5 seconds

so they removed it

[viral tendon]

Whaaat that's stupid

[viral tendon]

Removing slowmode is a bad decision

[reef basin]

hence why it's at 5 seconds 😉

[viral tendon]

I was thinking 3 seconds but if it's not possible to set it that way ig 5 seconds is reasonable

[viral tendon]

That's interesting

[finite mirage]

so how do i power 8 coal generators with mk1 pipes?

[tall lantern]

they're useful for keeping the top relatively tidy

[finite mirage]

what's the game plan there

[tall lantern]

by not slamming all the water through any one pipe segment

[finite mirage]

how tho

[viral tendon]

4 water extractors

[tall lantern]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[tall lantern]

common 3:8 setups there

[viral tendon]

Oh you need 3 damn

[tall lantern]

though I am a fan of the "1 75% extractor to 2 gens" setups

[viral tendon]

I always used 1 water extractor for 2 coal generators

[viral tendon]

I think the top one makes the most sense

[rich parrot]

Tetris: blocks fall from sky to create neat shapes.
Satisfactory: pioneers fall from sky to create neat shapes.
I think the devs just stole all the coolest story beats from Tetris.

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> plz confirm

[viral tendon]

But you get the shapes pretty late into the game

[leaden turret]

-# engineers is factorio

[viral tendon]

Damn are community managers chill like that

[viral tendon]

Public execution

Satisfactory confirms once more 5 is the worst number ever

Can this chat be like a little more alive

[reef basin]

it's lunch time in EU. People are working 🙂

[viral tendon]

No way there's no unemployed people that are free at this time

[jade parcel]

When come the big satisfactory map expandet addon?

[reef basin]

never

[viral tendon]

I don't think we need a bigger map without more phases

[jade parcel]

That is what a addon is called

[viral tendon]

What do you mean

[jade parcel]

dlc are for free addons are massive big expansion

[viral tendon]

There's no dlcs for satisfactory yet or addons

Only community made ones

[jade parcel]

Dlc only will come cosmetik skins for fabric stuff addon wil be big maybe with the option to build on the red and white planet that we all see

[viral tendon]

I don't think there are official dlcs planned

[low bone]

Be mindful that power consumption on overclocking works on a curve so it costs far more electricity to run a water extractor at 175% then it does to build 4 and run them 2 at 100% and 2 at 75% or whatever your output need

[viral tendon]

Also what red and white planet

[reef basin]

dlcs are often paid

and as I said above, we're not getting map expansion

[jade parcel]

As i said dlc are made for giving it for free to the player addons are that what bring massive content

[reef basin]

except DLCs are in like 95% paid

[jade parcel]

Where you know that that devs not thinking over it for a addon?

[reef basin]

because they said so

[dense violet]

it barely costs anything more
even a fully maxed out OCed factory at 250% only uses 34% more power than it would otherwise at 100% everything.

[jade parcel]

Mind can change from time to time

[tall lantern]

there's a space in there. it's 1 extractor at 75%

[reef basin]

it can, but they have been saying this for past X years, including Hannah, who is the one who made the map

and it doesn't make much sense to expand map anyway, we have more resources than you can reasonably use and we have map modes to randomise them

[jade parcel]

Dlc ar paid by money hungry companie but not satisfactory devs the make dlc for free they make addons as paid becouse of massiv big

[low bone]

Sorry my bad didn’t notice that

[reef basin]

even small companies and solo devs do paid dlcs

and not sure wdym by "addons"

[jade parcel]

You can expand map for new resscource by the way a new planet is also a map expanssion just to let you know

[low bone]

It does matter though early on when power production is limited to mark 2 belts in coal production

[reef basin]

yeah that's in the list of "definitely not happening"

[leaden turret]

don't need a new planet, we only have the one relatively small island/continent so far.

[coarse shadow]

how many empty fluid tanks needs to be in a closed nitrogen gas loop?

[dense violet]

coal power can definitely take care of literally any ocing you're doing during that phase
coal power keeps me to tier 7 easily and I oc tons of stuff

[viral tendon]

And 95% of times overpriced

[cold berry]

My job reminds me of satisfactory (I set up industrial machines) and I got to do a solo setup today. I love those. (I'm kinda high up on the totem pole).

But it's just making me want to play Satisfactory lol

[dense violet]

I just keep half an empty container to feed the system waiting for hte returns

but if you have a huge system you may need more

[reef basin]

development takes time and money

[jade parcel]

For an addon why not manage the transport betwen planets build theships for the cargo make shield protection or lasers ecetera it give a lot of ideas do youse other planets

[viral tendon]

By this logic let's make every update paid becaue development takes time and money

I am not saying that it should not be paid but most of the times 2 dlcs cost almost as much as the entire game

[leaden turret]

the entire game with one relatively small island/continent took 6-8 years.

would rather them not waste their time adding space travel.

[coarse shadow]

an Industrial Container or a normal one?

[cold berry]

I don't buy many 60+$ games. Like, ever. But I own plenty. /r/patientgamers taught me the way

I just play games when I feel like it lol

[reef basin]

and most of the time they have same amount of content 🙂

[jade parcel]

Other planets new materials new phases new parts new mission goal

[cold berry]

And they're usually on sale if you wait. The wishlist feature is great for this because it tells you when sales happen on steam

[reef basin]

yeah, that's mod territory

[leaden turret]

don't need new planets for any of that

[dense violet]

depends how big your system is. Can always expand if it's not enough

[low bone]

Ehh we do stuff differently then I like running stuff as efficiently as possible I also spent far more time than needed setting up a 100% efficient diluted fuel power plant 144,000 mw before I even entered phase 3

[viral tendon]

Risk of rain 2 and ready or not are prime examples

RON has 3 mission per each dlc and they cost 2x less that the game(base game has 20 missions)
Risk of rain 2 has dlcs that each cost almost the same as the entire game but they don't add nearly as much.

A good example of proper dlc pricing is cloverpit

[dense violet]

then you can even more easily run MANY oced machines

[jade parcel]

And that the reason why they dont do becouse they took long i would call this even more they love theyr own game and want to make it good and not a bugdesaster.
If they are ready for addon they will say it

[cold berry]

My steam value calculator ( https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198043485493/?cc=us ) says I paid 1/3 the price of the games I play. Just a patient gamers trend reminder that you save money not buying things the day of lol. There are like 3 series I buy day one and one is the only tattoo I have (Zelda, triforce)

[coarse shadow]

i only have 2 stations currently where nitrogen gas is needed, it's not a big system

[low bone]

I know and I do where needed but if I can save on power consumption somewhere I like too especially considering I’m already using about 90k of that power

[viral tendon]

Why are you talking about this here vro

[cold berry]

Sorry, someone mentioned "development takes time and money" and I was like "don't buy games when they release"

I wasn't very clear lol

It is kinda off topic tho, I stop now

Forest is my favorite start aside from the fact that all the Caterium is nobelisk-blocked and I've been too lazy to go grab a handful of coal and Sulfur to get rid of it ☠️

So I'm using mk1 power poles on phase 2 and feel like a chump

[fiery pewter]

Wrong

Not every cat node is blocked

[finite mirage]

#screenshots message
will this be able to supply an equal 180 water per minue on both lines?

[ebon marten]

nope, you are using mk1 pipes

[finite mirage]

thats why im distributing to 2 outputs

so each pipe carries 180 water?

[viral tendon]

Making versatile framework production is genuinely painful

[ebon marten]

no, a full mk1 only carries 300pm so at best you have 150 in each pipe

[finite mirage]

how do i make it give out 180 on each?

[ebon marten]

disconnect and overclock or build another extractor. have 2 extractors for 1 pipe but dont link the 2 pipes together

[finite mirage]

im following the third one, isnt that possible with mark 1?

[rough shore]

not really tho

[finite mirage]

because 2 would mean idling no?

[viral tendon]

Yes really because now i need to make more coal powered generators

[ebon marten]

if you need 180 per pipe use 2 extractors for 1 pipe, like i said. mk1 pipes only handle 300pm not 360

[finite mirage]

fine fine

[ebon marten]

do you have mk2 pipes yet?

[rough shore]

no

[finite mirage]

nope

[fiery pewter]

Just don't automate project parts until phase 3

[viral tendon]

Says who

[fiery pewter]

Says the way of: don't make it too hard on yourself

And versatile framework is not that painful

[fiery pewter]

And me

[dense violet]

It’ll self balance

[viral tendon]

Son i played ready or not on hardmode i can't make something easy on myself

[finite mirage]

so i DIDN'T need to rip apart the whole thing 💀

[fiery pewter]

Alrighty then

Do everything with only biomass burners

[ebon marten]

ready or not isnt a factory building game so you cant compare them

[viral tendon]

Who tf do you think i am vro 😭😭

[fiery pewter]

Someone who doesn't make things easy on themselves

[viral tendon]

I said i make it hard on myself not impossible vro

[rough shore]

not impossible tho?

[viral tendon]

Beating the game only with biomass burners is impossible i believe

I meant it is but it'd genuinely take a lot of time

[rough shore]

so its really hard but not impossible silly pal

[viral tendon]

Yk what it's impossible

Halfway through you're guaranteed to go insane and get isolated from society

Wait that's a gd reference

[ebon marten]

alien protien can be converted to biomass

[hard wolf]

Unless you're ding a biomass only run, it's not even remotely worth it

You might as well do hunter gatherer at that point

The flowers live, the coal flows

[rich parrot]

If you turn alien parts to biofuel, you can have three steps with sloops. That is a 8x multiplier. Very much doable, although it does require a bit of time killing wildlife.

[hard wolf]

The stingers deserve it

[rich parrot]

Just leave the swamp as a breeding ground. You will get fat stacks of flesh in no time.

[viral tendon]

240 mw from one single burner is wild

[hard wolf]

Hogs? Cute. Spitters? Cute. Hatchers? Pain in the ass. Stingers? Delete.

[viral tendon]

Fym delete bro 😭

Can y'all give me a show to watch i need to watch smth while playing satisfactory

[hard wolf]

by delete I mean run a powerline out and vaporize them outside of their jump range with the hoverpack and homing rounds

[viral tendon]

Chill it''s not that deep

[hard wolf]

lots of IRL spiders are cute. stingers are awful

[hard wolf]

idk, I had to talk to my therapist about stingers

they're terrifying and I deal with them as such

[viral tendon]

Did your therapist tell you any good shows to watch

[hard wolf]

no she said SF seems to be really good for me and that I should keep playing it

real. fuck those things 😭

it's not hate. it's fear and terror

doggos are precious. do not harm :3 (I still need to get the XL plush)

[viral tendon]

Fuckass jim parsons why'd he have to quit the show 😭

[rich parrot]

Farscape is in Youtube.
Yes, I am old.

[hard wolf]

stingers represent what I thought spiders were before I found out they can be v precious and adorable

[viral tendon]

Well how old is the show

[finite mirage]

is 5 modular frames adequate for the early tiers? 3-4

[viral tendon]

NEVER in my life i've seen someone write or say adequate in a casual sentence

[finite mirage]

im sorry 😭

what would be a more appropriate word then?

[hard wolf]

they eat other bugs and that's v good

:3

[viral tendon]

I've no idea i don't know what does adequate means

[finite mirage]

sufficient

[viral tendon]

Oh

Well then no it's not adequate

[finite mirage]

what should be a good aiming point?

[viral tendon]

Like 10 probably

Im still on phase 10 and i have like 10 or 15 a minute

[finite mirage]

phase 10?

[viral tendon]

Phase 2 phase 2

[finite mirage]

@reef basin

[hard wolf]

spiders are definitely friendos unless they're brown recluses (I don't live in an area where those exist anymore) and are 100% worth protecting and nurturing. jumping spiders will even try to interact with you if you're friendly with them

[viral tendon]

phase 2

[hard wolf]

if you feed it into a storage container/industrial storage container it should be good for a while. bonus points if you feed that into a depot

[finite mirage]

the google drive thing?

[viral tendon]

Depot at early tiers?

[hard wolf]

yeah. you just have to find mercer spheres and SAM ore

[viral tendon]

I couldn't find any SAM ore for shit

I lowk know where one is so i'll just go there

Replaying this game hurts so good

I know where a pure source is

[hard wolf]

thing that lets you upload build materials to the cloud and use them even though they aren't in your inventory thing

[viral tendon]

Yeah i am afraid they don't know about that

[hard wolf]

it's information so ridiculously useful that every pioneer deserves to know. whether or not they can seek out SAM ore is up to them

[viral tendon]

Wait damn i already finished smart plating holy shit

[hard wolf]

there's a ficsit mini programmable keyboard >w<

[viral tendon]

What

Ficsit sayo device?

[hard wolf]

https://lizarddoggo.com/products/ficsit-mini-programmable-keyboard?pr_prod_strat=jac&pr_rec_id=569883362&pr_rec_pid=8220786524359&pr_ref_pid=7664205332679&pr_seq=uniform

[ornate saffron]

Ya. Its

[viral tendon]

FICSHIT SAYO DEVICE

[ornate saffron]

A thing

[hybrid kestrel]

how can i get out of a hypertube i have feeding into itself... nvm i just respawned

[hard wolf]

there's also a mechanical pencil but I'm pretty attached to my Kuru Toga x.x

[viral tendon]

Why is sf pen more expensive than sf sayo device

[viral tendon]

Damn i should lowk buy it at some point

It's quite cheap

I'd like to know the specific specs to know if it's garbage or actually usable in gd

Oh they don't ship to my country

Oh my son

What

[hard wolf]

they make satisfactory skate decks 👀

[viral tendon]

Not a single person re sells the ficsit mini programmable keybaord in my country

No one is going to crucify you it's fine vro

Is it valid to think charcoal is the worst recipe ever

Are you talking to me or like

Someone else

[hard wolf]

https://lizarddoggo.com/products/defective-logistics-coupons-toilet-flush-dlc-toilet-paper-roll x3

[viral tendon]

Ficsit toilet paper

[cold berry]

Huh, there is an uncapped Cat node in the forest. I was just wrong.

Still far from my two bases lol

[viral tendon]

I need to finish phase 2 but like i've already completed the game before

Yeah like 1895 mw power

Im getting some dogshit alts i can't lie

[earnest condor]

Let me know which Turbo Motor you end up using 😁

[cold berry]

I'm on playthrough like 6 and I've only gotten to mid-phase 4. I have restartitis. I usually get to at least oil, though. I am a weird perfectionist I think lol

[hard wolf]

you can also buy an authentic ficsit gbuild gun or download the DIY it with 3d models from thingiverse

[earnest condor]

What is a dogshit alt?

[viral tendon]

Not the ones i need basically

[earnest condor]

Vague non-answer, but ok.

[cold berry]

I've been getting freaking blessed alts this run. And crash site finds. I found a super computer for my first sink. Got me like 18+ tickets I think?

Forest is full of crash sites. I swear when I run forest over plains or Rocky desert, I get so many crash sites

[viral tendon]

Something that will make getting encased industrial beames easier

And modular frames

[cold berry]

Alts are so fun tho, how can one hate them

I've got bolted frames and stitched reinforced plates, and they're awesome. I'm going to ship in steel for screws from my steel mill since I just got that alt.

I just like. Alts are so fun to switch things up tho

[hard wolf]

I started the handfeed factory with the base recipe. turbo electric motor looks good, though. turbo pressure motor not so much bc of the packaged nitrogen gas

[cold berry]

And also #notallscrewrecipes

[earnest condor]

Nearly every alt has merit.
So I like alts.
I don't like the classification of good v bad alts.

[cold berry]

My favorite alt is crystal computer

[earnest condor]

Turbo Electric also pairs well with just Electric Motor imo.

[cold berry]

I think I'm going to have an individuated motor factory, and an individuated steel beam factory with a truck stop for screw logistics. And then a general steel mill for the other recipes.

[hard wolf]

at face value it looks like a 1:1 ratio, so I'm inclined to agree

[earnest condor]

Moreso "you're already making ECRs, so why not?" 😂

[hard wolf]

I'm very much a fan of simplifying production lines by making less unique items, so I might avoid them entirely

I talked about that earlier and greeny went off on me for not being specific enough, I guess?

[earnest condor]

Avoid what entirely?

[hard wolf]

making an item (ECR's, computers, etc) by using a recipe that doesn't require it but possibly requires a bunch of other stuff I'm already making

[alpine frigate]

H-4 Before finished phase 5

[hard wolf]

he seems to have a bone to pick with me but denies it at every turn

[normal orbit]

he is overly anal about word choices, prob comes from writing ai prompts for his coding

[earnest condor]

Now I am confused.
You are making Electric Motor, you looked at Turbo Electric.
They are both simplified by both needing the same item (ECR) and your opinion has switched to avoiding both recipes? 🤔

[tall lantern]

nah think he's been like this long before generative AI took off 😛

just how he is

[hard wolf]

I needed motors and you suggested using both electric and rigor, so I did. this is still the temporary factory, and the motors are for base turbo motors and cooling devices. I haven't had to build a specific production line and haven't had to work around simplification yet, but you asked about turbo motor recipes and I said that I think turbo electric motors look nice

[earnest condor]

It is nice. Because it simplifies (imo)

I'm very much a fan of simplifying production lines by making less unique items, so I might avoid them entirely

So this confuses me because the first sentence seems to be agreeing about preferring simplicity. And then you immediately say you might avoid the recipes. Which seems in conflict with the first sentence 😭

[hard wolf]

if I can simplify a production line to the extent that it's easier and I won't have to make ECR's, I will, but that depends entirely on whether cooling units are a required part of the line, and whether or not I'm already making rubber

[earnest condor]

I mean that takes you down to.. basic baseline Motors though 😭

Which is a horrible production rate compared Electric or Rigour.

[hard wolf]

I'd like to say I'm more likely to use rigor, but it depends on the situation. I'm also overclocking everything at this point, so machine counts are low and that helps a lot

[earnest condor]

Electric is ECR + Rotor.
Turbo is those same 2 ingredients + Motor (which they make) + RCU (which you have to bring in anyway unless using Turbo Pressure).

Which means Turbo Electric, when using Electric Motor, is simply "just add RCU to everything you're already making."

I find that to be the simplest path.

[viral tendon]

Actually using mam early into the game is so cool

[earnest condor]

Playing the game as intended is cool, yes. 😎

[sour shoal]

Tell that josh (lets game it out)

[hard wolf]

base turbo is cooling system/RCU/rubber (which I was already making) + motors (which I wasn't). I didn't start making ECR's until you suggested splitting motor production between rigor and electric

[earnest condor]

Never seen. Never will.

[hard wolf]

I do think you're right, though

[sour shoal]

He would be your nightmare

[earnest condor]

That's... an assumption.

[hard wolf]

it was convenience over efficiency in that situation, which happened to be more efficient

[earnest condor]

Blend them so you have confficiency 😏

[simple pebble]

I run into this problem so much.

I have 3/4 components for a recipe already in production but the fourth is just annoying enough that working on it makes other recipes potentially better anyway

[hard wolf]

that's why all alts are good :3

[simple pebble]

Yup!

[earnest condor]

The only one I can currently call "bad" in good faith is Leached Iron Ingot.

Because sulfur to make more iron is...

[hard wolf]

tbh I won't touch any of the leached recipes bc sulfur is pretty scarce

[tall lantern]

it's also not used for much though

[ornate saffron]

its not used in the game via base recipes other then munitions. So the limited nodes we have can go pretty far. Most people use it for power generation

[earnest condor]

Sulfur can be printed from iron though.
Which means Leached Caterium and such have potential if you want them too.
But Leached Iron is just a non-starter for me.

[hard wolf]

I'm mostly using it for sulfuric acid to instant scrap, other than in my rocket fuel plant/packaged ionized fuel factory which needs it bc nitro rocket fuel

[simple pebble]

Instant scrap is so comfy

[hard wolf]

the water output also feedback loops at 1:1 with sulfuric acid which is nice

[simple pebble]

Yeah that's exactly it

[hard wolf]

I just wish there was more interchangeability between coal, compacted coal, and petroleum coke to I could feed the compacted coal from the nitro blenders into the instant scrap blenders and then overflow the rest

[earnest condor]

Imagine needing sulfur for Ionized 😏😛

[hard wolf]

it works for me xwx

[earnest condor]

Yes but, Compacted Coal closed-loop byproduct eliminating it entirely 😭

[simple pebble]

Compacted aluminium scrap would be a dream recipe

[earnest condor]

Ok but-- Petroleum Coke Powder when? 👀

[tall lantern]

when we get a painter to turn it white?

[hard wolf]

compacted coal being 2:1 in any machine and petroleum coke being 1:2 would be fantastic (idk, that just seems fair. definitely for the compacted coal but idk about the petroleum coke)

[hard wolf]

press C

[fiery pewter]

Petroleum

Petroleum coke

Lmao

[hard wolf]

I've already corrected it

[tall lantern]

c

now what

[hard wolf]

I redid my keyboard layout recently, so I'm a bit awkward on it

[fiery pewter]

What in petroleum coke triggers the ficsit react

[hard wolf]

that should bring up the customizer menu

[fiery pewter]

Standard is x

[tall lantern]

even without the game open? 😆

also don't think that works on items

[ornate saffron]

coke

[hard wolf]

nonstandard keyboard layout. my movement cluster is esdf xwx

[fiery pewter]

Ah

I get it now

It looks like the pepsi logo

[high kiln]

woah never seen that before

[fiery pewter]

What

[hard wolf]

I'm sorry if my keybind layouts cause me to misreport appropriate keybinds. I'm still not used to the difference yet

[simple pebble]

Esdf seems nice for having a little more space for bindings on the left

[fiery pewter]

What if Ficsit could have subcorps

[hard wolf]

it lets me play games while staying in the asdf homerow position. before I had moved all of the keys around so that wasd was on the esdf keys

which was good, but I have more keys to bind now

if you want more context, look up the ZSA moonlander

it's, at the very least, a lot more comfortable

[ornate saffron]

it likley is a shell company. this way if there is legal issues it can be discarded

[coarse shadow]

are 160/min Batterys enough for the drones?

[fiery pewter]

RNRAAD is a Ficsit subcorp

Atleast if I have anything to say about it

[fiery pewter]

Depends

I'd say yes

[rugged burrow]

monthly checkin... any news on 1.2 live release date?

[ornate saffron]

no official release date. But they said the experimental is going real well and the release date is set in stone. but they have not said what that date is

[rugged burrow]

I seeee, tyty

[tall lantern]

as always, monitor #announcements and #patch-notes

[twin parcel]

how u set up drone ports?

lets say i want droneport A to sent rubber to droneport B , then droneport B sent heat sink to drone port C
and drone port A also sent rubber to dron port D .

will it work ?

[median magnet]

drones can only have one target but you can have as many drones as you want land on one drone port. Personally i prefer to leave the drone port that provides the item to be empty and send drones in to collect things. So you could have port B and D going to A to collect. Then port C could send a drone to B to collect, though this might cause drones to block each other if there is any unloading backups. i think

[twin parcel]

i dont know how to set it up , i dont understand drone port mechanics

[normal orbit]

A can send to B or D not both

Could do two ports on A tho like A1 to B and A2 to D

[languid haven]

keep droneports to one item
so build A and B for rubber A->B
place the drone on B and set it to collect from port A (with no drone on A, this means you can set up another drone port to also collect rubber from A later)
then a seperate drone port to send heat sinks (not droneport B). same thing where you place the actual drone on the droneport that collects (recieves) the heatsinks

you only need batteries on one side of any drone route

[normal orbit]

Actually. You could prob build a drone on D and have it go to A

[languid haven]

exactly

[normal orbit]

Tho Im not sure on thru put numbers doing that

[languid haven]

it can only send to one but multiple drones can be assigned to it so thats why youd do it that way around

[normal orbit]

Well no

You can't do multiple. It one drone per port

[twin parcel]

dam , my brain not braining

[languid haven]

yeah so dont put a drone on it at all and put the drones on the recieving end

so multiple drones are collecting

[normal orbit]

having D1, D2, D3, D4 etc all collect from A will be awful

[languid haven]

not really unless they are really close and the throughput is really high

if youre sending hundreds a second then sure

but if the actual usage on the other ends arent that big thats where the drones shine

[normal orbit]

the landing/takeoff is like 1m30s all in all, with five drones all doing it on one port is a bad idea

[languid haven]

if the througput is too high then sure. but not if say each droneport only needs a tiny amount of the item - say a few a second

thats why it was great for my crystal oscillator factory

[normal orbit]

then a single drone is enough

[languid haven]

but i need to send it to lots of places around my world

for rubber, generally i would imagine global transportation using drones probably is not ideal

but id do it if i just needed a small amount for something dumb like whatever just chuck a drone port and be done with it

itll probably only do a trip like once every half hour or something

(hypothetical)

[twin parcel]

well im not needing a lot of rubber , a small amount is enough , i could build trians and trucks for that but yeah i just wanna quick solution .

[wet moon]

how do i swap between using two types of the rebar ammo?

i have both, but i cant figure out how to swap between

[dense violet]

hold r

like holding E to swap to similar items

[jovial beacon]

Is it normal that at work I’ve mentally mapped out a factory to produce 240 motors a minute?😭

[surreal ingot]

I was ghost pinged here

[wet moon]

ohhh

thanks

[ornate saffron]

i think so. I knew the height and width of my 10/min motor, rotor, and WStator factory without logging in

[fiery pewter]

First of all, what the fu-

Secondly, yes.

[jovial beacon]

First what?😭

[fiery pewter]

What the fuck do you need 240 motors/min for

😭

[ornate saffron]

thats lik 13000 iron (if you only used iron)

[fiery pewter]

Iron pipe moment

[jovial beacon]

Well I found a alt recipe for caterium that would produce 960 wire a minute a node , if I use a tier 2 miner , since I found 2 side by side I’d total 1920 a minute, so I thought with all that wire I’d meet stator demands and from there I thought how easy it’d be to use a alt recipe for rotors and doing that math all of that would net me 240 motors a minute

[fiery pewter]

Damn

[pine bridge]

yo is it smart to use a modular main bus like nilaus used it?

[next ivy]

its smart to use a system that works for you

and that you made up yourself

would you consider a child thats cheating in a test, smart ?

[normal orbit]

main buses is kinda a no. this is satisfactory not factorio

[next ivy]

bus can still be used
its only slightly better in factorio than satisfactory

[pine bridge]

its not about cheating its about getting a few ideas

[next ivy]

its an analogy

metaphor ?

[green fiber]

Analogy

[next ivy]

bus is a mediocre concept overall

[alpine frigate]

h-1 for finishing phase 5 tutorial

[reef basin]

?

[next ivy]

its cons outweight the pros in satisfactory probably

[green fiber]

Overall, you can do it, but its not guaranteed to give you much of an advantage over other methods

[finite mirage]

ah some guy told me to summon you for: is 5 modular frames adequate for the early tiers? 3-4

[green fiber]

Bus for items that are used only in small amounts is porbably doable

[green fiber]

That's a question of preference

5/min can be more than enough for some people and way too little for others.

Depends on how big of a factory builder you are

[pine bridge]

okay thx

[next ivy]

i think i started out with like 40 frames

[jovial beacon]

I’ve been so tempted to bus like facotrio but I really can’t imagine any actual use other than aesthetics

[median barn]

Good news! I was able to fix my issue with a “hydra” setup and it’s working flawlessly with much less parts than my personal debugging got <3

[green fiber]

Hydra....
Fun imagery

[median barn]

Ok?

[normal orbit]

hail hydra

[next ivy]

[jovial beacon]

It’s a insane difference, I produce 46 and I’ve been tossing the idea of building a mega factory to produce 120 a minute

[next ivy]

omg

[green fiber]

No way

We got elevated one before GTA6

[next ivy]

DO NOT QUESTION THE ELEVATED ONE

[twin parcel]

dafuq u gonna do with 240/min motors? are making turbo motor from it ?

[median barn]

I present… Hydra(per Dekoba’s video, to which he did not take credit for the design) aaaannnddd nevermind, I can’t post photos in here PeepoSad

[worn oar]

Manufacturers, refineries, fuel generators take loads of motors

[green fiber]

Average #satisfactory moment lmao

[twin parcel]

120/min modular frames might not be enough if u plan to use recipes that uses pressure cubes or something .

[worn oar]

240/minute is the upload cap for one depot so he wants to be full at all times

[jovial beacon]

I remember needing Loads and loads of motors needed for later tiers in my last playthrough so I thought I’d go a bit extra on mass manufacturing

[worn oar]

I probably used like 10,000 motors to just make the basics of everything

[twin parcel]

ah , well , storage buffers kinda did the job , its not like i always building stuff , so storage buffers and 5/min motor was enough for me.

hmm did i saw an invite link ? hmm maybe its just the wind .

[worn oar]

Bots spam their invite links all the time, usually a porn server

[jovial beacon]

I mean there’s a handful of recipes to throw around with motors to be automated, and anything extra can be dumped into a. Sink

[twin parcel]

eh i rather make excess space elevator parts to sink

[jovial beacon]

It’d be 1520 points a motor at 240 a minute if excess recipes have overflow so I’d net around 300k+ points a minute

[twin parcel]

i see .

is bro gonna make 120 turbo motors from 240 motors ? might get crazy amount of sink points

[jovial beacon]

Mega factories been in my head all day lmao I might try to push 120 heavy modular frame a Minute

[twin parcel]

if u use molded pipes/beams recipe , its gonna take crazy amount concrete to a point where u might consider rubber concrete over wet concrete .

[jovial beacon]

Wait I just realized I can boost all my constructors to 200% and use 22 somersloop to make 480 motors a minute and meet max belt capacity with a 600k+ sinkpoints a minute

[jovial beacon]

I was gonna use the alt that produces 3.75 a minute and takes rubber

Just did the math all I need to do is produce 300 modular frames a minute and I can do 60 heavy module frames a minute, from there I can use somersloop to push 120 hmf/m

[hollow mountain]

guys is i want to bring nitrogen like 200 meters away and the source is already high in altitude i should be fine right?

[earnest condor]

Gas is just liquid with infinite headlift.
So you can pipe it anywhere across any height difference and it will be fine.

[hollow mountain]

ohhh i didnt know about infinite headlift

[earnest condor]

WELL YOU DO NOW SON
😏

[fiery root]

H-Hundred and twenty?

I make 4/min

[earnest condor]

Only 120?

[jovial beacon]

It’s around 60 assemblers using base recipe to make 120

[unkempt blade]

just blueprint it and place the blueprint another 29 times

[jovial beacon]

I’ve changed my goal to produce 300 a minute so I can support a 120 heavy modular frames /m factory

[earnest condor]

Gooooood.

[wise junco]

howdy

[reef basin]

not sure why would I have to answer it

but the answer is: depends on your needs, if you need that much, or more, or less

[gaunt crypt]

5 modular frames is fine for early tiers and even late tiers on your first playthrough

assuming you let them buffer up while you are off figuring out 10000 other things elsewhere in the world

[wise junco]

I made it through the entire deal with only 2 motors/minute... as long as you aren't trying to rush and are working on other things, any automation is good automation

[gaunt crypt]

any Rate per minute calculation really only comes into play when you have the whole system running continously

[jovial beacon]

Leaving some storage units constantly filling odds are on the first playthrough your backlog will push you to later tiers by the time you need them😭

[surreal ingot]

Man everyone’s talking about needing modular frames and I haven’t even gotten past coal and trucks yet

[gaunt crypt]

the big brain move is to skip coal and trucks

[surreal ingot]

I’m not spending another 5 hours collecting enough fuel for my factories, I’m tired grandpa

[empty bridge]

Hi All. I'm looking to upgrade my dimensional depot to allow storage from my personal inventory but need to know how I unlock the recipe for the computer / plastic / circuit boards I will need?

[wise junco]

have you unlocked oil yet?

[empty bridge]

no

[wise junco]

you must get at least that far to get access to that

[empty bridge]

how do I unlock oil?

[wise junco]

tier 5, if i recall?

[empty bridge]

oh dear

[wise junco]

4, 5, somewhere in there

[reef basin]

you progress through the game

[empty bridge]

ok. back to grafting

[gaunt crypt]

you can loot goblin your way much earlier. not necessarily what you want to do for a first playthrough tho.

[wise junco]

you can find enough computers though through crash sites to do what you're looking to do, i believe

[wet moon]

Is the tractor vehicle broken?