satisfactory

[abstract heron]

english?

[compact briar]

Hey! I'm kinda new to satisfactory, I've played quite a bit but have never gone suuuuper far in.
I'm at this point where my main factory is turning into a bit of a spaghetti fest and im not sure how to organise it... do people usually do decentralised production/a building per componenet or something else? I'm a factorio veteran where I mostly did city blocks or main bus which arent really applicable to satisfactory 😅

[shy temple]

#screenshots message An old screenshot from a couple years ago. That is what it looked like at the end of phase 2

[fiery root]

Steel pipe?

[fluid sapphire]

Expand

[shy temple]

Satisfactory has no wrong way, and the verticality really allows multiple forms of building designs

[sour citrus]

hm, I'll stick here for now then, you convinced me

[rough shore]

modular factories easier and more organized and easier to scale while mega factories are a pain but look either a giant big cube or really sick but they both would eventually output the same number of items so doesnt really matter

[fluid sapphire]

Ditch the idea of a base, it's easier to build in modules everywhere

[abstract heron]

expand and make floors and and such i often doo 1 floor ore going in then floor 2 floor smelting and then floor 3 is where i start mass production

[neat anvil]

It seems I figured out how to get 1920 quick wire per minute by accident,

[shy temple]

plus there are recipes you can find to make old goods with more advanced resources and gears

[fiery root]

I wont rebuild my factory a third time
Gonna abuse another sweet location where i can build what i need

[abstract heron]

I am also a rookie to the game 😛 19,295 hrs on record

[tall lantern]

no need to rebuild a working factory, just build new stuff

[compact briar]

so far i've just been expanding the one building I've started off with and I'm just putting things where they fit and if they dont fit i expand which is getting confusing to walk around it

[shy temple]

Also RAT-47, make use of the space too. No need to keep stuff constrained.

[compact briar]

oh yeah my building is pretty much as compact as it gets

[cursive topaz]

use satisfactory modeler its free on steam, and use fondations they are your best friend

[compact briar]

oh?

[shy temple]

constrained is a risk because if you forget something...

I recommend planning for corridors between your structures to really make it easy to move stuff about.

[cursive topaz]

yea and dont watch josh from lets game it out, im pretty sure he coined the term spaghetti

[shy temple]

foundations, walls and roofs are your friend for organizing.

[fluid sapphire]

You have lots of space, leverage it to organise better

[abstract heron]

my rookie numbers 😛

[shy temple]

Use subfloors and basements to help with routing resources below, and ceilings for above. Then the main floor can be more clear or space for catwalks. Wish I had screenshots of my aluminium in progress.

[neat anvil]

Tbh I dont like logistic floors, a really cool part about factories is seeing all the stuff going around it’s a bit boring if it’s all hidden

But “sometimes” it is better to do it

[fluid sapphire]

Ah, another new player, welcome

[shy temple]

Walls, stacks and from roofs work well too, or a more spaced floorplan. I love to see it all moving about too

[compact briar]

too late.

[abstract heron]

FYI u don't see my hrs 19,295 hrs on record and 5,464hr

[shy temple]

I just linked this screenshot, it can show what I mean. It is compact, but note in center left and right before t he red roof on the leftmost

[neat anvil]

Say if I wanted to make a factory to supply other factories with all the quick wire in the world how much would be enough?

[abstract heron]

Read my hrs

[compact briar]

aw I was gonna share a screenshot but you cant upload in this chat

[shy temple]

I have essentially a roof of conveyors going to a warehouse

[abstract heron]

i Should hit 19,300hr hrs on record

[fluid sapphire]

I have, I jest

[abstract heron]

i got the game on steam release day 😛

[cursive topaz]

#screenshots

[shy temple]

I got it on epic release... I dont know how many hours I have.

Not that many though.

I am old old school. I was chatting with others, and looked stuff up. I was the OG person to call it a manifold on discord. XD

I am surprized the term stuck.

[cursive topaz]

@compact briar you should expand your factory by several times in just space alone

[neat anvil]

Bro is John manifold

[abstract heron]

i am currently making 100 nuclear pasta NO overclocking

[compact briar]

the ratios are getting hard to keep track off 🥴 esp because i have some overclocked machines as well

[neat anvil]

Start using signs

[cursive topaz]

Remember the Ficsit motto, CONSTRUCT AUTOMATE EXPLORE & EXPLOIT

[fiery root]

Ada should be proud at me.
I did automate everything of Phase 2.
Could've done that bit earlier thinking of the crazy amount of things i need

[shy temple]

#satisfactory message

[cobalt shell]

Congrats! You are the first factorio player I know off who doesn't try to play satisfactory like factorio, like with a main bus or so 😉 When I start a new playthrough I usually build fast and chaotic, simply to progress fast. Starting with tier 7 or so I build highly structured and organized, simply I's loose control and overview otherwise. Then I usually build satellite outpost, either dedicated in one or two products like rubber and plastic (I call it rubstic 😉 or dedicated for mass production of more complex items like heavy modular frames. And use a factory planner like Satisfactory Modeler, a free application on steam.

[shy temple]

The first mention of manifold on discord and discussion of it

[fluid sapphire]

If you build modules that are "done" you don't need to keep track of ratios for everything, for planning you can use something like sftools

Once something is built, the particulars of how that something works lose much of their importance

[compact briar]

When i first played satisfactory a looong while ago i did try to do a main bus but about 5min in i realised thats not gonna work haha

[cobalt shell]

lol, it works on a small scale

[compact briar]

I'm thinking maybe I should do a material outpost building? have all the raw materials go into this building and then from there go where they need to

or a smelting depot?

[shy temple]

#screenshots message Heh heh, manifold screenshot. March of 2019, before we even had liquids 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

Centralizing basic products scales very poorly

[cobalt shell]

Yeah, something like that. Just keep your outpost rather simple

[shy temple]

Them old models...

[compact briar]

from what I can tell there aren't really components that require raw ore so everything can go straight into a smelting depot

[fluid sapphire]

It's easier to smelt more ore when you need it rather than try to build some predictive expandable smeltery

[compact briar]

can you explain?

[fluid sapphire]

Tying future needs to old infrastructure is just extra work for no gain

For example, if you need iron plates, you smelt iron for that where you are making the plates. If you later need reinforced plates, you smelt the iron there for that and give it it's own plate production etc etc

You unlock better belts as you go, old infra will require lots of finicky work if you want to expand it

Better to just split stuff out from the get-go

[compact briar]

hmm

[rough shore]

mmh

[fluid sapphire]

Eventually as products get more complex it can make sense to ship stuff out

Like making motors in one place and shipping to a different location for making turbo motors

Where that line is for people varies

For very basic stuff it usually isn't worth it

[worn oar]

Paving the entire void hole takes soooo many concrete

I just went through an entire industrial storage container of it and I'm not done

[cursive topaz]

Manifold peak

[fluid sapphire]

An entire industrial container huh

Can that even make 1 square kilometer

[worn oar]

I only make 30 concrete/minute so this is nearly 37 hours of concrete

[compact briar]

could it be a good idea to go raw material -> component straight from the miner 🤔

[fluid sapphire]

!wikisearch independency

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[fluid sapphire]

It's a bit incomplete and waffling for my taste but a lot of people advocate for it

[floral snow]

is there somewhere I can find desgins for basic stuff like a 3-5 way load balancer ?

[compact briar]

oooo

[fluid sapphire]

@hard ivy seems like you are needed

[cursive topaz]

you need a prime number distributor

[floral snow]

already talking another language to me

ofc ik what prime numbers are like but is that a calc online to figure it out ?

[cursive topaz]

satisfactory modeler

its free on steam

[floral snow]

oh yeah i already have it

[fluid sapphire]

I think they are looking for existing schematics so they wouldn't have to work it out on their own? Modeler is no help here

[floral snow]

yeah just a pic or smth lol

[ornate saffron]

SCIM has a balancer section as well. https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/balancers

[hard ivy]

you're unlikely to find a 3:5
and if you do find one, it's probably wrong

[floral snow]

sweet thank u

[charred axle]

i like https://icemoonmagic.github.io/Satisfactory-Splitter-Calculator/
for doing custom splits

[ornate saffron]

no clue if its right but this is what SCIM suggests

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/balancers/detail/index/id/3to5/name/3+to+5

[hard ivy]

neither of these sites have proper balancers

[ornate saffron]

I make them as i go without resources. More often i just avoid it by clocking my machines or using manifolds

[fluid sapphire]

They can be good duct tape for already existing systems

[hard ivy]

they're useful for trains

but for inside-factory item management, I use mixers now

[fluid sapphire]

Indeed the only place I use them hehhhh

[shy temple]

Balancers are actually easier than one thinks for all numbers including prime numbers

Say you need 7? You make an 8 balancer. But you merge the 8 line back into the start of it.

Five? You do a six line. Merge back in.

So long as the inputs are not already max capacity, you are good.

[hard ivy]

it's a bit more complicated than that if you want an actual balancer

[shy temple]

I guess if you have seven in and seven out, you can cheat and container balancer.

Container is essentially a 2-2 merger/splitter combined for large containers

[hard ivy]

containers don't balance
and have no place inside a balancer

[shy temple]

They have two inputs and two outputs, so the output is even between the two.

[hard ivy]

it's not tho

[supple canopy]

no these are convoluted mess

[shy temple]

Aww....

[supple canopy]

and their behavior will change upon each game reload

[shy temple]

Sounds fun! 😄

I guess I havent cared enough to notice

[hard ivy]

and even if they did, idk why you'd use a container instead of a normal 2:2

it's smaller and doesn't have an annoyingly large buffer

[shy temple]

Mmm.... buffer...

[acoustic plinth]

I noticed that water is being discharged in the pipes when loading a save

[shy temple]

I just am lazy, so instead of splitters and mergers, I just plop down a container for two sources and done. (If not the belt capacity)

[hearty flame]

do yall think 345 power shards will last me a while

[shy temple]

Depends on what all you shard!

[supple canopy]

early game yea, late game no. But as @shy temple says it depends on your playstyle

[hearty flame]

fair, atm im only using abt 30 of them for the refineries for my 40 fuel gens

[hearty flame]

im abt mid game

mid -end

i needa complete phase 4

[supple canopy]

hmm yea, and if you make blueprints that use power shards you'll sip through them rather quickly. Time to go slug hunting and converting them with sloops

[hearty flame]

yeah thats how i got 345 lol

i went out and came back with 7 hard drives, 18 purple slugs 20 yellow, and abt 18 blue, with 11 mercer spheres and 1 somersloop
lol

[shy temple]

I have never used slugs in game before. Only ones I claim are the ones floating in sky after something is destroyed. Only ones converted are for scientific purposes

[hearty flame]

lmao

[unkempt blade]

that would have been an awesome start to a slug carousel if you hadn't turned them into shards 🙁

[hearty flame]

oh well, ill go get more at some point

[shy temple]

When 1.2 comes out and I play again, I want to really change up my playstyle. I want to use blueprints, tons of shards, biofuel processing plant, etc.

[fossil hatch]

i had stacks of 200 of rubber and plastic but suddently it changed to 100 per stack, anyone know why

[hearty flame]

thats a you thing, my plastic stacks over 100

[supple canopy]

known bug, they are working on it

[unkempt blade]

it's called the halfening and it's because of ghosts in your storage containers

[supple canopy]

my next playthrough I'll cheat power shards, I love watching them in their natural spots at night

idk maybe the SCIM can restore power slugs? I don't even know

[ornate saffron]

I do think you can reset slugs and flora on SCIM. although ive never tried.

A may cheat in a few stacks of slugs and place them everywhere

[supple canopy]

damn that'd be dope. I learned just the other day that flora was restaurable, if slugs are too I'm doing it right now

[fossil hatch]

alr thanks

[unkempt blade]

yeah I know you can do flora but not sure about slugs

[unkempt blade]

always happy to help with some totally made up fun facts

[civic ore]

Are modular engines, speed wiring or adaptive control units used in any actual buildings/belts?

Or are they purely for space elevator / hub upgrades

[worn oar]

Fun fact: the void hole is 238 meters deep!

[ornate saffron]

no the only phase part used outside of the space elevator and other phase parts is Nuclear Pasta

[civic ore]

Brilliant. Strongly thinking I’m just gonna hand feed these parts into the big machine instead of making factories just for them

[ornate saffron]

it is a way to do it ^_^. Personally i like having hte phase parts going into the sink for points

[little cobalt]

lfgggg ty jason

[violet glen]

I'm starting to consider packaging and sinking water... Just so I don't have to deal with making a recycling setup

[brisk crow]

hello

[thick cave]

Hello

[fluid sapphire]

Aluminum production?

[ornate saffron]

you can put it towards any pure recipe. Pure copper ingot and Wet concrete are popular

[violet glen]

Plutonium Rods

I just can't figure out a good way to build the setup with the water in the loop, given I want it to be able to run with less than its max input

[little cobalt]

wet concrete is a nice one, always need more of that stuff

[violet glen]

So just also making it make a bit of extra plastic, make canisters, and just sink the water coming out of the plutonium blenders is quite appealing

[ornate saffron]

if its the solution you like go for it ^_^

[violet glen]

well, I'd like to not have to do that

but I just can't figure out how to properly do it

[brisk crow]

bruh i need to play satisfactory more this week

[violet glen]

the production setup the calculator outputs for me look like it'd lock up if the blenders consuming the waste aren't at full capacity

[thick cave]

I just started

[brisk crow]

well today i turned it like 4 times on for 10 miutes and tried to rebuild my factory but failed T-T

but i am early game

[ornate saffron]

I only play if I have a 3 plus hour long block

[thick cave]

Same I'm trying to figure out how I'm supposed to do coal

[little cobalt]

a lot of times it's better to leave your jank factory in place and go build a better one on a different nodes imo

[ornate saffron]

If I have less time then 3 hours I plan and do math

[brisk crow]

i culd play more but i just left

i was like "lets fix it "
it dint work up
"dam it"
left

and repeated it

i am trying to fix that my factory isnt put on the world grid or how is it caled

[little cobalt]

world grid is less important than a lot of people make it seem. if you don't mind some potential awkward mergers with other sets of foundations anyways

[brisk crow]

oh.

[ornate saffron]

I wouldnt worry to much about the grid.

[thick cave]

What grid? You mean my wiring spaghetti?

[ornate saffron]

at some point youll want to link up foundations that are on awkward angles and youll learn how to

[brisk crow]

no its like..how the tiles snap on the ground

nach its like i use this weird factory design wich goues under the map and i wanted to conect smf to it and i realized it aint conected to grid

[ornate saffron]

do you have the blueprinter yet?

[brisk crow]

yup

i was doing it with blueprints

[ornate saffron]

gotcha

[brisk crow]

bro thank god i saved before i started to remake it

[ornate saffron]

I think someone said this already but i leave my trash and just make new. this way you have old plus new supplying you ^)^

In the end you gotta do what brings you joy. By the sounds of it you are struggling to find that

[little cobalt]

i would generally avoid anything that goes into inaccessible places personally

you can easily get your stuff lost forever (unless you use external tools like SCIM)

[brisk crow]

eh i just save before i clip

so if i cant build i just load before it and find other place

[ornate saffron]

the underside of the map is always accessible. You just have to know how. Blue prints are the easiest way

[brisk crow]

i love using zipline

[ornate saffron]

its my favorite mode of transportation. I zip along power towers everywhere

[little cobalt]

fair enough. i limit my use of "glitches and/or unintended behavior" to parachute angle shenanigans personally but to each their own

[brisk crow]

i like the sound tbh

[thick cave]

Also does anyone know how I use the modeler?

[little cobalt]

zip lines are super fun. definitely recommend

[ornate saffron]

To quote Mikael (of CSS) there is no wrong way to play, do whats fun

[shy temple]

The sound unfortunately bothers me too much to use.

[ornate saffron]

Im clueless there. I use spreadsheets and tools

[brisk crow]

bah ima go look for powersulgs

[ornate saffron]

I listen to metal while i play

[lyric zodiac]

I'm sure there's youtube guides if that sort of thing suits you

[thick cave]

There's a spreadsheet?

[little cobalt]

one of my fav features of this game is the ability to change the volume of literally every individual sound

i use it to turn off chainsaw

[shy temple]

No! Save the slugs! Slugs deserve to live! #sluglife Free the slugs!

[ornate saffron]

ones i made and others have made. There is a big community out there. (mine are not for sharing, personal use only)

[thick cave]

Imma shove you into my assembler

[shy temple]

Huh, I will have to go back to sound and turn down the chainshaw

[brisk crow]

i aggre but i am a capitalist

[thick cave]

Ah

[shy temple]

Underclock, not overclock!

Build two! Protect AI jobs from overclock

[ornate saffron]

you are not being paid to build factories, You are donating your time to save the earth and the greater universe

[thick cave]

And the kittens

[brisk crow]

ima work this clanker 25/8 if in need to

[ornate saffron]

and kittens 100%

[shy temple]

I think it is capitalist. I can do whatever I want on this planet so long as they get some stuff at the pace I choose

[little cobalt]

story spoilers ||i thought we were an android clone spawned from a von neumann probe?||

[shy temple]

Makes me want to do a rap song almost about cruisin in my explora, crushin hogs in ma truck. Turbo fuel is loaded and 20 smart round in the gun.

[ornate saffron]

welll..... || redacted see #story-spoilers ||

[brisk crow]

i see a purple one

[shy temple]

Mah hub is plated caterium and I got trains coated in chrome.

[brisk crow]

also how do ppl make the funny powerslug converor thinkie

[shy temple]

This is mah planet, fixit dont own mah home

[ornate saffron]

belts and storage containers. loop the container in on itself like a snake eating its tail. then once the belts are full remove the storage and connect the ends

[brisk crow]

oh

also shuld i automate nobelisk production?

[earnest condor]

No.

[unkempt blade]

depends how many you want to use

[shy temple]

Yeah, automate everything if you want. You can use a lot. Depends how chill you are with automating construction

[little cobalt]

should i automate-- yes probably

[ornate saffron]

its handy to have, Although personally i only have mine semi automated.

I get my coal from the Biocoal recipe and my sulfur from portable miners

[unkempt blade]

I only use mine to clear rocks blocking caves or collectibles. Some people spam them at monsters or whatever

[little cobalt]

i use them to remove foliage from buildsites

which is where most of them go

[indigo geyser]

i tend to favor rebar gun boom sticks over nobelisk

[brisk crow]

tbh i mostly use them to remove evrything in my way

sometimes my self

[little cobalt]

the gun is more fun to use fs. i feel like chucking nobes is faster but idrk

[brisk crow]

i have only the rebarb pistol

[indigo geyser]

its probably around the same speed but i just like the feel of not having to charge up the throw dostance. with the rebar gun you just aim a shoot

[little cobalt]

make sure you keep checking the MAM as you progress :)

[brisk crow]

i cant make heavy oil residue yet

[indigo geyser]

HOR and polymer are must have alts imo. i use them for just about everything oil related

[brisk crow]

i dont have that yet

i need to start making parts for stage 2

[shy temple]

Also is noblisks before you get boomsticks too.

[thick cave]

Man why is every coal node I find requiring me to build up there smh

[shy temple]

And no reason to rush or think alts are essential. In the tier something unlocks, the default recipes are plenty. Alts just give advantage as you unlock stuff for things from before.

[indigo geyser]

yeah i think the way that tree is structured you have to unlock nobelisk before explosive rebar ammo anyway

[shy temple]

Hunter, that is what trains are for

[thick cave]

I don't have trains smh

[little cobalt]

HOR alt recipe is very nice for efficiency but yeah none of the alts are required

[shy temple]

Some people will do paperweight automation. Also known as putting something on mouse or keyboard.

Tractors too. Don't underestimate tractors, they can do a lot.

[thick cave]

Don't have steel needed for that yet

[shy temple]

I do a lot of tractoring key resources if I don't want to build long conveyor systems

[indigo geyser]

and with the new way vehicles are handled it makes them actually worth using

[thick cave]

That's why I'm trying to get coal

[shy temple]

aah, so just starting on the coal. I get where you are at now. The early resource consolidation

[thick cave]

Yea

[little cobalt]

4m foundation ramp my beloved

verticality is but a stepping stone

[brisk crow]

welp ima get back to bulding steel mini factory

[thick cave]

I didn't bring any concrete nor plates

[indigo geyser]

one of the 1st things i unlock in the shop is concrete foundations lol

[shy temple]

Absolutely. Honestly the part of the game I like least is the trying to farm tickets so I can actually unlock the stuff like foundations and mounts so that I can build the way I want.

[frosty sedge]

Anyone way better than the game at me anyone know roughly how much oil per minute is needed for like 1.8k plastic

I want 100 computers per minute and need roughly that amount

[indigo geyser]

dna capsules will get you tons of early game tickets

[shy temple]

There are different things and it depends on recipes and if you use sloops and such.

very much dead. Still a little annoying. I hate having to rush things so I can do other stuff the way I want like the basic production. I hate how I have to build up a temp base to unlock the stuff to then tear it down and build it on foundation.

[south sinew]

you can just dump in stuff like quartz and caterium in the eearly game fr relatively easy tickets

[brisk crow]

._. bro idk if i will produce enought of Encased Industrial Beam

i plan to have 10 for a miute

[shy temple]

Yup, but still have to get to the point where you have the operational sink. So some stuff is built. Manual building, etc. Plus the amount of tickets.

[indigo geyser]

might be worth looking into the encased industrial pipe alt if you have it

[brisk crow]

huh

[shy temple]

It isn't a huge thing, but it still is farming early on cause I don't want to build until those key things are unlocked.

[indigo geyser]

the encased beams themselves produce slower but you can produce pipes faster than you can steel beams

[brisk crow]

let me check one of my i think 7 hardrives

[indigo geyser]

pair that with iron pipes to make them even faster and eliminate the need for coal and you might get there

[shy temple]

What I will probably do next time I play is rush for sloops as well and then just farm alien capsules and mass duplicate them for a quick hit

[brisk crow]

nope i dont have any of both

i have a quick wire stator wich seam cool tho

[indigo geyser]

if you save your game you can reroll hard drives and if you dont get what you want you can reload the game

[brisk crow]

eh to late since i have already them reserched done

[hollow hazel]

@acoustic plinth #screenshots message
Add a pump at the base, right next to the extractor.

[brisk crow]

i dint chose them yet

i just have them in my MAM

[indigo geyser]

the original recipe will always be the same even if you reload but the reroll will come up with different recipes every time

[fluid sapphire]

The what now? To hold down space or mouse button?

[brisk crow]

tbh some exploration wuld be cool

[indigo geyser]

cant you just tap space and it will keep crafting until you run out of materials? i havent had to use a paperweight in forever lol

[fluid sapphire]

That's what I am getting at

[acoustic plinth]

The thing is that if you drain all the water, after some time the water will appear in all the generators and pipes to the maximum, but then something happens to the pipes themselves

[indigo geyser]

sounds like youve met Mr. Slosh mechanic lol

[hollow hazel]

I don't see a slosh in the video.

[fluid sapphire]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[shy temple]

People who load up their inventory, go to their hub and manually build a bunch of stuff.

[indigo geyser]

i only do that to get thru phase 1 and even then i dont do it much

[hollow hazel]

Sometimes a pipe at the base can force the issue, sometimes just a rebuild is enough. If this persists, then report it in the >qa so that Experimental becomes stable in the end. 😉

[indigo geyser]

most of the time ill need something like 100 modular frames and ill have plenty of reinforced plates and rods to make them but waiting for 50 rounds of 15 clanks takes about as long as just setting up a small factory to automate them haha

[void crescent]

Ficsit

[simple pebble]

Yeah at this point I have a mental shortlist of crash sites I visit so I can hit milestones/MAM entries without making anything

And that still doesn't solve issues like belt speed and awesome shop

But I pretty much build the bare minimum until I unlock logistics 4 in phase 3

[indigo geyser]

does anyone else get a little annoyed at mk3 belt speed? i know 270/min is better than 240/min but 270 doesnt fit the increasing pattern! lol just a random rant

[hard wolf]

I need an interplanetary update but now I also need intercontinental air and water shipping

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah but you can just tap the crafting button, no paperweight is needed

[little cobalt]

satisfactory: space age 🙏

[shy temple]

Well, if you have a lot, you start the craft then go afk is what some do

or do they actually have auto crafting at the hub now?

[hard wolf]

Rocket fuel plant on a planet where the oceans are oil and water has to be extracted from the air :3

[fluid sapphire]

?

[little cobalt]

i wish there was a popup message or ADA quipping at you for holding down the button so it was more obvious. but yeah press and forget is in game\

[shy temple]

In the old days, people not wanting to automate means making in the hub. And so would have to hold down the crafting button. Hence the paperweight to hold the button for you.

If it can auto... semi sad? Unless you have to stay at the hub

[little cobalt]

you still have to be in the crafting interface yeah

just saves finger strain or needing a paper weight :p

on a similar note, i'd love to see the "auto grab" feature enabled for PC (or made more obvious if i have somehow missed it)

using dynamic controls allows you to enable it while still primarily using KB/M at least

[white dawn]

On the other hand, the whole game's trying to encourage you to automate, so anything that makes handcrafting easier kind of goes against the primary gameplay loops. :D

Although I realize now that you might have been referring to something else on the console/controller version I'm not aware of...

[shy temple]

Not automating though means sitting at hubs and not doing anything as well, so there is that.

[little cobalt]

i was referring to two things. in the message you replied to, though, i was talking about "auto foliage grab" which is a feature on controller that lets you pick up grabbable objects for fuel without clicking the button on repeat

[void cliff]

So push tab while grabbing stuff On pc. It enables auto pickup

[dusk galleon]

Which would people recommend, I set up a coal power plant, and found that it is near iron. Do I rebuild the power plant somewhere else, or set up a steel factory really far away? (Do I put the screenshot in the screenshot channel)

[void cliff]

Build it near water, that’s all that matters.

[little cobalt]

i'd try not to have one coal node used for both steel and power

[dusk galleon]

I am putting the screenshot in the #screenshots channel

Should I rebuild all of my power on the right coal nodes, and use the top left one for steel?

[void cliff]

I’ll split a node if there’s only one but I’d probably make compacted coal for power to leave more coal for steel

[thick cave]

W

I got the alternative screw recipe

[void cliff]

Don’t rebuild your power just keep trucking. Belt iron over to the coal or vice versa. Doesn’t matter

[little cobalt]

ahh yeah, that is exactly what i was looking for! it seems more like a bug than an intentional feature though- there is a special icon for the controller version of auto-pickup

[void cliff]

Coal power will become outclassed soon enough

[dusk galleon]

Do you mean use trucks literally?

or belts?

[void cliff]

Totally a bug, messes up chainsawing bushes, but it works. I love that the parachutes extend pickup range, too

[hard wolf]

iirc the right nodes are all pure. It depends on your power needs, plus your coal plant will likely become a small part of your grid as soon as you build something like a turbofuel plant

[void cliff]

Both work great. Tractors are faster to setup than belts, but cost power and coal to use.

[shy temple]

All of the above? The wonderful thing about satisfactory is that unless you are going to maximize things for the purpose of it, no point in dismantling because plenty of resources.

Can let it just keep running as you build new, or tie into it.

[dusk galleon]

My main concern is just needing to run back and forth a bunch

[shy temple]

And can use trucks or conveyor to deliver resources.

[void cliff]

Belts are probably considered easier to setup and more beginner friendly, especially in version 1.1

[shy temple]

Trucks are nice to keep belts out of the way, but are simple depending on distance.

Good thing about coal is you can use the mined coal to power your miner and the truck stop to pick it up.

[little cobalt]

i'm #beltgang unless it's a truly massive distance (like 700m+)

[shy temple]

I recommend just looking and thinking is it easy to drive to or not.

[hard wolf]

Hypertube cannons. 14 entrances is usually good

[dusk galleon]

It is 1,500 m

[shy temple]

I am doing one long belt for some coal I am getting at the moment because they are sort of in line so just chaining them together.

[placid stirrup]

700m
Massive distance

[storm zephyr]

trainn

trucks suck

[dusk galleon]

I think you are forgetting this is for my first steel factory

[shy temple]

Trains are love. Trains are life.

[dusk galleon]

I don't have hypertubes or trains yet

[neat anvil]

If it’s 1,000+ meters I use trains/drones

[shy temple]

Tractors for delivering coal work just fine though. Especially for new players

Make your mines, run them into a truck stop. Usually is water near by so can get that for the coal plant.

[neat anvil]

How long would trucks last on rocket fuel

[shy temple]

A fair while. I did a longer route on it to bring sulfur to my refinery and did plenty good.

[little cobalt]

i feel like there are few reasons to move stuff much farther than that instead of just building closer but everyone is different ofc :)

[placid stirrup]

How do I make my yours?

[shy temple]

rocket fuel I don't know. I was answering turbo fuel

[neat anvil]

Now that I’m accustomed to drones I wanna do more trucks cause they’re cool

[earnest condor]

Truck can easily handle 1500/min across 1km 🤷‍♂️

[shy temple]

So what I do is I look for a flat area to put down foundation to place the truck stop and power plants. Just merge all the miner belts into the truck stop. Then you can use the truck out ports to get coal into the fuel storage and to the power plant.

[placid stirrup]

Even optimizing a central location, I frequently tap nodes 2km+ away. I'm usually grabbing multiple nodes at once that create an organic train line.

[shy temple]

TO kickstart the power grid, use a temporary bio reactor to start the water pump and manually put the coal into the power plant initially

[placid stirrup]

(I'm playing with your words)

[whole citrus]

Does directly attaching pipe junctions to machines (i.e. packager) have any issues associated?

[shy temple]

Oh, oop.

[placid stirrup]

"make your mines"

[neat anvil]

?

[earnest condor]

No issues given you cannot do it 🤷‍♂️

[shy temple]

I had to read back

[dusk galleon]

I already have a power plant, I think I will end up trucking the coal to the same general area as the iron

[neat anvil]

You can’t do it

God I wish

[void cliff]

Just belt it. It’s not that hard.

If you need multiple belts, use stackable conveyor poles and place them high up so trucks can go under them later

[little cobalt]

yeah just different playstyles i suppose :) in the lategame there are reasons to move stuff vast distances but atp i just use drones

[placid stirrup]

Infinite throughput glitch would be glorious

[neat anvil]

lol I didn’t even think about that

[whole citrus]

I have the mod "SnapOn" which was why i was curious

[placid stirrup]

You can shoot me before I transport 6000 limestone with drones

[earnest condor]

Ew.

[neat anvil]

Interesting, do they have max flow?

[little cobalt]

i have never built something needing 6000 limestone personally

[whole citrus]

I have water packagers that have max flow and fuel unpackagers that have (mostly) max flow

[earnest condor]

I have a truck that loops the length of the canyon to pick up all the limestone nodes that are down there 😄

[placid stirrup]

It's the permanent Mk6 belt facility, opting for a mix of diamond recipes but dune desert has so many free nodes it was hard to argue against just picking it all up

[neat anvil]

Theoretically, since pipe splits don’t have flow limits could you keep adding pipe splits?

[placid stirrup]

I believe a mini length of pipe exists between them no matter what

[shy temple]

Aeroports are my next step after I get my aluminium plant done. Gonna focus on drones to really consolidate resources into my main rail depot.

Though I am worried I misplanned my train designs.

[placid stirrup]

I did the same, just not quite to the scale of an airport (though I wish I had given myself more room to do so)

[whole citrus]

I assume so, I would have to do testing tho

[placid stirrup]

Congrats, you are Satisfactory player!

[little cobalt]

one day i'll build a train. there's gotta be a reason for all the hype, right?

[neat anvil]

Yes

They go round and round

[night lotus]

yes!!!

[neat anvil]

Very cool

[night lotus]

i love trains

[placid stirrup]

Fairly certain this doesn't work. Junctions won't snap to other junctions as a connection, just like you can't daisy chain containers for infinite solids throughput.

[placid stirrup]

I thought that was the wheels on the bus?

[whole citrus]

Im using a mod that allows for direct pipe junction snap on to machines and to other junctions

[neat anvil]

The train goes round and round

Or you make a monorail

[placid stirrup]

That's great. This isn't the modding server 😛

The answer to the question "Can you _____ with mods?" will always be yes

[placid stirrup]

So... I shouldn't be multi track drifting?

[whole citrus]

Was just a question I had, I didn't even realize I had the mod on enabling me to do it

[neat anvil]

?, I use dual track

[shy temple]

Most might be flown right to main base. Unsure.

[neat anvil]

Right hand forward dual track and just spits when needed

[shy temple]

They go toot toot and have moving bits and sparks and glowing and go fast.

[sick oriole]

Hey question, anyone on 1.2 had an issue where the copper powder stack has suddenly gone down from 500 to 100?

Means I now can't make any nuclear pasta xD

[neat anvil]

Kindly #satisfactory-experimental

[shy temple]

Realistically, trains are useful unless minmaxing around and more work to set up than trucks.

But look awesome, run through power grid so less fuel logistics and a bit easier to co-ordinate.

[ornate saffron]

Exit the game and relaunch. Known bug

[little cobalt]

can't wait for the railskates in 1.3, zipline equivalent for train rails

[placid stirrup]

How about ceiling mounted rail cars, kinda like a gondola?

[shy temple]

The main thing is i underestimated the push pull disadvantage. That the arrival has to be in reverse order of departure. My main station has two full platforms. One hauling from my refinery, the other hauling in coal, sulfur, copper, limestone, and iron.

Third platform I have allocated will be for my Aluminium train which has the three core aluminium products. Not sure what to do for other three. I am thinking Caterium, SAM, and not sure what to have for the sixth car.

[placid stirrup]

hawk tuah

[ornate saffron]

I wana corkscrew my trains

[placid stirrup]

"cork" is doing some serious heavy lifting in that sentence

[shy temple]

Lastly is a fourth platform which will be for short trains for specialized resources, depending on needs.

[simple pebble]

I want a loop de loop

[shy temple]

spiral rail is actually fun to make. Go all midgar.

You have conveyors spiraling inside of that, and then a pipe core.

Looks pretty awesome and fun to blueprint.

[ornate saffron]

A midgard build would go hard as fuck. I should do that

[shy temple]

Have all your fancy final productions up top, dirty industrials down below?

[ornate saffron]

Sector 7 slums for nuclear

[placid stirrup]

Ahh yeah that's why I do double one way rails, easy enough to BP and saves a load of headache down the line. Still have care for sequencing, particularly with more than one train group

[ornate saffron]

Waste gotta go somewhere

[shy temple]

sector 5, and then sector six is for your buses and transport. If I remember my midgar right.

[ornate saffron]

Things get out of hand you can just drop a plate

[shy temple]

My design plan for my 1.2 is to do a ecumenopolis style city.

I will probably actually use outside tools to get it right because I want final goods on the top floor, not bottom

[cursive topaz]

Guys, don’t make manifolds 18 long

[placid stirrup]

What, you don't want to clip 500 drones through a mega factory?

[cursive topaz]

Turbo fuel production is hard

[shy temple]

Essentially ground level has a lot of piping and such, then you get a utility later, You have trains running in tunnels underneath roads. A network of hypertubes at ground level getting up into the beautiful upper city.

Drones being on top floor pads.

[shy temple]

I love turbo fuel production 🙂

Especially with diluted fuel. Watching all them jugs zipping all over because you didn't leave space so had to do it elsewhere.

[cursive topaz]

It’s a royal pain in my behind

[dim sentinel]

im awake and all of the storage containers i had for steel pipes filled with steel pipes

[shy temple]

Which part is hardest for you?

[placid stirrup]

The visual is actually breathtaking

Oh snap who's trying to spam in here

[jolly ice]

god I got the jolt of dread hearing the power grid shutdown noise

[dim sentinel]

and i aslo got over 60k concrete

[placid stirrup]

Gold star for you

[shy temple]

That is the plan. I have always been held back on trucks. I love to use them for some core things, but the time in making routes keeps them mostly an essential novelty.

[dim sentinel]

it will never be enough

[shy temple]

One major thing I actually want to do is like say computers which get used in low quanties or similar will be factory carts for delivering parts. I want to have little cart roads zipping inside of buildings.

[placid stirrup]

My buddy and I challenged ourselves to a "mostly not trains or drones" factory, channeling Mad Max in the process and I think it turned out pretty sweet. Watching vehicles on roads is quite satisfying in the end

We did the same with a single caterium factory cart in the town 😂

[dim sentinel]

its time to tear down my factory and rebuild it

[little cobalt]

that sounds super fun. i recently re-bought the game on steam to go for all achievements and maybe i'll do the same!

[shy temple]

It can be really fun. I did a no drones factorio. That really was a lot of fun and I actually prefer factorio without drones.

[hybrid kestrel]

when you guys build with foundation, how do you set up your buildings? im just getting back into it and its bugging me that I can't really put the buildings in a very good grid that matches the foundation grid if that makes sense

[shy temple]

I find that most games can have that form of transport that a player prefers. Like vehicles over belts. Or trains or...

[little cobalt]

i avoid using power switches specifically because of that noise happening for each unpowered segment every time i load into my game 😅

[shy temple]

Many buildings don't fit the same footprint as a foundation. What I focus on is its inputs and outputs. I try to align them to like how the wall tiles are with the conveyor ports. Then I space them so they are aligning the same way on the tiles, or 0.5 offset.

SO like midline of foundation on midline of machine, or the seam of foundation on midline

[little cobalt]

grab concrete foundations from the AWESOME shop and enjoy the blank slate where you can go freestyle

[shy temple]

Then for front or back, I do same. I try to ensure the overhang is equal front to back.

[void cliff]

Any time I create them, they never see any use. I’m far enough in the game to not care about power

[hybrid kestrel]

Yeah that's what I was going with, was bugging me haha

[hard wolf]

priority switches to keep your plants up in case something borks are nice

[shy temple]

It ends up looking really well once you get the feel for it. Some buildings which are a bit wider, I will have them so they atlernate between seam and midline. So two buildings per five foundations for example.

@hybrid kestrel And note that when building, you can lock the hologram. This lets you back away and nudge its position for fine tuning.

[hard wolf]

was there ever infinitesimal nudge?

[hybrid kestrel]

Thank you

[little cobalt]

there's mini nudge but no micro nudge afaik

[placid stirrup]

Any post-apocalyptic style is so much fun, and relatively easy in my opinion. You can have jagged components and unfinished or open faces and it looks great

[shy temple]

Use the scaffolding things for everything.

[placid stirrup]

Specifically the rail-less kind, since there's no OSHA in the apocalypse

[weak bloom]

what I ended up doing for a lot of my factories is create a 5x5 concrete foundation blueprint with embedded power lines (partly for power to the factory more easily, also to make hoverpack always work without thinking about it)
then I just make blocks of machines in the same mk2 blueprint machine so most of my factory ends up being blocks of 5x5 for specific stages of production

but yeah same as mentioned above, align stuff like the center of machines or the center of a set of machines with the center of a foundation, and that's usually good enough

[placid stirrup]

I still need to automate the explorer hitting a sweet QP gap back and forth for Turbo Town... After we settle the compounding uranium waste 😬
Who knew recreating Crescentia (the Montressor moon base from Treasure Planet) would be so difficult?

[hybrid kestrel]

embedded powerlines sound nice asf, do you know when about you unlock them?

[weak bloom]

like when I started making machine blocks more compact, it wasn't worth keeping everything in 5x5 because that's honestly wasting a lot of space, especially with constructors, smelters, and assemblers. so for example my constructor blueprint with 5x2=10 constructors fits in like....3x5 foundations I think? so I just align that wherever it fits on the factory floor and go from there, just "rounding" the machine blocks to the nearest foundation if that makes sense

[placid stirrup]

I believe they're an Awesome unlock

[void cliff]

I made my blueprints vertically stackable like this. Input and output at the top of each cube, so they can be easily connected like this.

#satisfactory-experimental message

The actual foundation on the ground just has to be above all the ground-level rocks, not clipping, etc.

[weak bloom]

embedded power lines as in I just clipped wall power outlets onto beams inside the foundation to hide them, it's not an actual tech in that sense

[hybrid kestrel]

that looks sweet, will defo keep that in mind when i end up remaking everything

[elder cedar]

bro how advanced is this game? holy dam. unlocked all of tier 5 and a little of 6 and the plastic and rubber stuff omg its so complex

[weak bloom]

@hybrid kestrel #screenshots message
this is basically what I did, 4m foundation block and you can delete the beams and then the power nub will be barely sticking out of the foundation and it provides a lot of really convenient power outlets

[elder cedar]

im cooked for tier 7-9

[weak bloom]

whenever I make a new factory I just slap down like 10 of these 5x5 foundation blocks, wire them together, and then start building

[placid stirrup]

That's why we have

[little cobalt]

it can be as complicated as you want it to be, since hand-feeding works well enough to beat the game

[hybrid kestrel]

ur a genius

[placid stirrup]

Before the architectural cables, I used to do this to emulate guy lines to things that looked like they needed them haha

[hearty flame]

chat we need the 3rd elevated one now

[reef basin]

we're not chat, this is not twitch

[elder cedar]

how complex is tier 5-6 overall?

on a scale

[little cobalt]

guy lines: did it hurt? when u fell from heaven?

[hearty flame]

we are now
chat

[indigo geyser]

complexity is more of a logarithmic scale then i would say 3-4 is around a 2.5 and 5-6 is around 6

but it also depends on alt recipes allot too so theres that

[shy temple]

It can be overwhelming, but the biggest recommendation I can give is to break it up into segments. Some people try to have everything flowing at once, but you can do it in steps and spread it out more to simplify.

[elder cedar]

yeah true, im just trying to understand everything. its quite overwhelming with all these component needs. like to automate one thing, ill need a copper node, iron node, coal node

[shy temple]

So like with the rubber and plastic. Do the first step of production. You get the plastic/rubber and residue. Send both to a sort of storage.

[indigo geyser]

when using nothing but the standard recipes its pretty simple but when you want to get the most out of your power generation with fuel gens youll have to use the alts which have a much more complex setup

[shy temple]

Then next, build something to use the residue.

Or build back. Say building computers. Put your computer building down. Is four inputs. Just branch it off into four. Ignore the other ones, and do one.

Once that first component is good, do second. Spread out and give yourself space so you can visualize

One tip I dont use that I should? Use the signs you can unlock in the fixit store. Put a sign that says what you need, so you can see as a glance.

[elder cedar]

alright, thats some really good tips actually ty. gonna break everything up

[indigo geyser]

i tend to figure how much of the "end product" i want to produce then figure out each component line one at a time. way less overwhelming

[elder cedar]

also, do you guys use a website or something for calculating what you need for setups. because when i made my rotor and reinforced plate factory, i was using paint. adding up all the ingots i was using to make sure it was efficient and working out how many rods and stuff are needed

[shy temple]

There are calculators that can give you everything. I don't use any calculators.

[indigo geyser]

i just drop down the machines all haphazardly to get a count of what i need then ill move them around and do the beltwork

[shy temple]

Calculators can be a help if the numbers can start overwhelming. I will build all the factories I need, and then underclock if needed.

[leaden matrix]

I used to do stuff like that

But now I use my notes app and a calculator till I feel prepared enough😭

[elder cedar]

because automating rotors was cooked, was trying to use 240 iron p/m but numbers started going into decimals so i settled for 225 i think

[shy temple]

Yeah, the decimals start to frustrate me too. You can type in the math though

[indigo geyser]

i dont look at it as "how much ore/min do i need to make this" but more "how many nodes do i need to put miners on" lol

[leaden matrix]

-# round doooowwwnnnnnnn

[shy temple]

I round up so it doesnt short, just a hair.

[little cobalt]

the production calculators are really helpful if you want to use them, but i personally found they took some fun out of it. it felt more like copying and pasting what the computer told me to do instead of figuring it out myself. ultimately, you should figure out what's fun to you and go from there

[shy temple]

because it backflows if overproducing, I usually don't care for some things. But I hate the sound of machines stopping and starting, so I try to balance to limit that.

[leaden matrix]

Tbh the REAL solution is just overclocking/underclocking

(But to each their own its a sandbox!!! ^^)

[indigo geyser]

i always round up because in the end you can always put a smart splitter on it and run the overflow to a box and in most cases technically kill 2 birds with 1 stone

like with modular frames. if you end up overproducing the reinforced plates you can overflow those to a box and have them already psuedo automated saving you a whole other production line

[ornate saffron]

I just use exact numbers.

[placid stirrup]

Must be nice to have a memory that's better than a goldfish's

[little cobalt]

notepad++ and the in-game to-do list saves the day!

[abstract heron]

YAY nearly 700hrs LEFT before 20khr 19,299 hrs on record

[indigo geyser]

i do the same thing. i prefer figuring it out in game which is why i toss all the machines down in a random location to give me an idea of how many i need and the amount of space theyll use

yeah i might have 20k hours in all my steam games combined lol

[placid stirrup]

I will say the other benefit the planners provide is being able to toy with layouts from a top-down, 2D perspective.

[indigo geyser]

sounds great for factorio and DSP but satisfactory is 3d

[placid stirrup]

Quicker than doing it in game, especially if you decide you want to reorganize the flow of products

[placid stirrup]

Is it?! I hadn't noticed

[fluid sapphire]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[hard wolf]

at which point your job is to determine what shape of box you can fit 100 constructors in (5x5x4)

[little cobalt]

i'm very guilty of massive flat factories

but i like using different floors for production steps at least, like smelting on ground floor

[indigo geyser]

lmao we can be cell mates

[fluid sapphire]

Math is cool and all but for spitballing plans sftools is hard to beat

[placid stirrup]

And you and I can be mess hall mates

[leaden matrix]

Yeah BUUUT they look so nice from above

Like computer chips

[shy temple]

Especially if more limited on time. Still getting things laid out is a lot of work, but math and mistakes does eat some time up.

[indigo geyser]

like giant pc motherboards

[placid stirrup]

The circuit board factory certainly has a nice draw

[shy temple]

And that is the origins of calling them a bus

[leaden matrix]

ONG, I have like 1 little factory cart that drives around my current turbo motor factory cause its cute watching it drive around the massive motherboard of doom

[shy temple]

I use factory carts to deliver station components

[supple canopy]

I find the modeler to be good for that, you can disable the auto calculation altogether and use it as a satisfactory tailor-made notepad

[leaden matrix]

Maybe ill do that in 1.2, but for now its too much work ToT

[indigo geyser]

i want to do that with a pc one day. mount the components to the wall and have all the cables and wires in nice strait lines with 45/90 degree turns lol

[little cobalt]

i need to give the modeler another try. i bounced off of it because of the wonky-feeling interface

[fluid sapphire]

If I ever start over for some weird reason I will just make a giant circuit board out of all my production

[placid stirrup]

The desk rigs I've seen that do this are super sweet

[little cobalt]

yeah but if all my components are visible i have to see how dusty they are

[indigo geyser]

good thing about putting them on the wall is theyre really easy to clean off lol

[shy temple]

I actually started doing it to save effort. Moreso once unlock more advanced splitters, you only need one station.

Not needing to run conveyors across the base. Just one station and splitters, then programmable, you can sushi train.

[indigo geyser]

sushi trains sound like an interesting individual item throughput nightmare lol

[placid stirrup]

I've only done this for my central storage, pre Dim Depots

[shy temple]

So my first few tiers direct feed from manufacturing because close, but then I get the smart ones so it goes to station and overflow to sink. Programmable lets me run it all on one line without issue.

Yeah, I should do it for my storage now that you mention it. Moar factory carts!

I can have one depot to sushi train deposit.

Though I am partial to my bus of products in my mall..

[indigo geyser]

i can see sushi belts being useful for item malls that use dim deps. use a mk4 belt for 2 different items with a smart splitter to cut down on the amounf of belts you build

[placid stirrup]

The big draw is reducing the amount of trains and stations required

[indigo geyser]

but on the other hand that just wont work for something like concrete lol id be using 4 mk4 belts with 4 splitters and 8 dim deps with as fast as i go thru that stuff

[shy temple]

Silly me. I always think in two dimensions when sushi. I never think to use the third output for a different resource....

And for smart splitters, I can do the same without needing a programmable. Wow. I over underthrought

[supple canopy]

depends, for storage purposes you should only need abysmal amounts of throughput (like over 10 reinforced iron plates/min or over 2 high speed connector/min is overkill). Exceptions maybe for concrete and iron plates

[little cobalt]

i love sushi

[placid stirrup]

Lmao I missed this previously, bravo

[unkempt blade]

the typical pioneer needs to think in at least 4 dimensions because they're going to redo the same build multiple times for no real reason

[hybrid kestrel]

at any point in the game does there end up being storage like applied energistics 2 (in minecraft)

[serene jolt]

Is it bad that I managed to get myself 3000 mercer spheres in a un modded survival save?

[little cobalt]

AE2 revolutionizes storage in Minecraft. The mod adds a network-based digital storage system, where items and blocks are stored as energy in a digital form within a network of connected devices

uhh kinda. dimensional depot is basically that

mercer spheres are what take you down that line

[unkempt blade]

make fuel => charge power storage

[placid stirrup]

There was a duplicate bug that they've since patched, right?

[fluid sapphire]

Think they have ya

[serene jolt]

uhh... I did this yesterday so it's not patched

[fluid sapphire]

Well what do you want, approval?

How dare you

How dare you play your game the way you want

[supple canopy]

there's still one that involves driving a vehicle in the BP designer I think

[fluid sapphire]

I think with spheres who cares

Sloops are a different story

[serene jolt]

yeah

[fluid sapphire]

Entirely breaks the whole game economy

[normal orbit]

its your game, do what ya want, if that means 3000 mercer spheres, go for it, make all the poop closests you want :p

[serene jolt]

some things i'll dupe but no project parts or stuff that is insanely broken

[placid stirrup]

500 cigarettes Somersloops

[fluid sapphire]

Eh why stop at 500

[ornate saffron]

whoi cares, you can just give yourself items in game whenever yuou wish lol

[placid stirrup]

Because it's a pop culture reference

[little cobalt]

the orville was a better show than i expected

[serene jolt]

lol. it's the reason i have 2 golden nut statues. now i'm trying to earn one legit at some point

[fluid sapphire]

Some of us like ice skating up hill

[normal orbit]

just make overflow sinks on all production lines. i usually hit the 1000 ticket mark in middle of phase 4

[placid stirrup]

Than most people expected, I think. But I digress since we're not in off-topic

[unkempt blade]

literally unplayable!

[serene jolt]

all I will dupe is quality of life stuff personally. So Mercer Spheres

[little cobalt]

it's your party, you can dupe if you want to

[gentle citrus]

yes

[fluid sapphire]

The 200 you have left over from researching already provides so much QoL you really feel like you need more?

[serene jolt]

Yes

[fluid sapphire]

What are you building? 70 BWDs?

[placid stirrup]

A Pioneer pinball machine with APAs

[fluid sapphire]

Sloops for that though, not spheres

But it's a fun idea

[leaden matrix]

5000 concrete DDs

[unkempt blade]

it's no golf but I'll take it!

[fluid sapphire]

I can see how that could be useful if you want to build large cubes of concrete really quickly

[serene jolt]

good idea

[placid stirrup]

I thought our holdup was duping sloops my bad

Sloop Dupe would be a great band name though

[fluid sapphire]

Surf rock

[shy temple]

I think you were here for the talk where dimensional container everything and get friends in multiplayer to manually feed the machines like some old steamship boiler room?

[fluid sapphire]

aaah, does not ring a bell

[ornate saffron]

i was lol

[supple canopy]

yea lol I've actually turned off production lines because I was making too many tickets from phase 4 while building phase 5

everytime I opened the sink it had 100+ tickets

[ornate saffron]

I just leave them in there

[supple canopy]

what happends when it reaches 500? you just get more stacks when you click on it?

[frosty sedge]

Anyone know how to use satisfactory tools to switch to alt recourses wanna make 100 computers but wanna use different recipes

[little cobalt]

yup

[sick falcon]

i wish input and output ports were genderless until you routed a pipe/conveyor into them

[little cobalt]

has woke gone too far

[supple canopy]

which input/output?

wait what are you trying to put in those ports man

[sick falcon]

like the 2 fluid 2 conveyor ports on a blender would all be typeless until you connected a pipe/conveyor to them

[ornate saffron]

its stack infinitely when its in the sink. You remove one stack at a time

[supple canopy]

that would be problematic for most machines as they don't have the same inputs and outputs

even the way the constructor was designed it'd be weird to input things from the front, frame and animation wise (granted the constructor's animation is already fucked)

[sick falcon]

oh not like switching inputs and outputs

i forget gender means that in most cases

[supple canopy]

oooh like a blender you could pipe in from either of the 4 inputs

[sick falcon]

yea exactly

[supple canopy]

yeee that I agree

even just the ability to mirror refineries, but your suggestion is more versatile

[sick falcon]

how many meters wide is a foundation

8?

[indigo geyser]

DSP does that with belt splitters/mergers

[indigo geyser]

8m

[sick falcon]

assemblers should be 12 wide

[shy temple]

Random talk of stats, I gotta tell my favorite glitch, reloading during autosave.

Anybody do that with the rifle?

[sick falcon]

their current width is genuinely the worst

[shy temple]

I so love it gives the countdown notification

Essentially, the momentary lag while reloading causes it to keep reloading so you can end up with a ton of ammo loaded, more than a clip

[wild mural]

if i have a bunch of spare heavy oil residue, what should i use it for?

[shy temple]

Suddenly, a hundred smart rounds loaded.

[earnest condor]

Why do you have spare HOR?

[indigo geyser]

turn it into fuel

[shy temple]

Initially, the only real way to remove that is to convert it to fuel.

[wild mural]

im redoing my plastic/rubber factory

gotchu thanks

[shy temple]

You can get more with hard drives, but that is the common one. Then just burn it in a power plant.

[sick falcon]

hor is the best fluid in the entire game how do you have spare

[indigo geyser]

if you have packaging unlocked you can package it and sink it or use it in jetpack

[shy temple]

Making rubber and plastic, not set up anything to use it.

[earnest condor]

Initially you can't do anything with fuel as fuel gens are a different unlock 😉
So your only recourse is Coke.

[wild mural]

fuel generator

[shy temple]

Oooh, right.

[indigo geyser]

coke steel! lol

[earnest condor]

Coke into Coal Gens for power is my go-to.

[shy temple]

My build style is different, so I ready everything and then unlock rapidly 🙂

[sick falcon]

why does coke trigger the auto

[indigo geyser]

no idea lol

[hearty spoke]

hi i'm completly new to satis factory is it normal that i strugle to get any resources ?, for example i'm doing faze 2, and so far i menage to make 1 production of eatch material i strugle to get enough steel

[shy temple]

coke. pepsi. Meme

If not used to factory games, it can be a challenge initially

[indigo geyser]

steel is a huge coal hog. i would recommend getting alt steel recipes asap

[shy temple]

There are concepts that us experience players are used to.

So as a new player, the initial question is how you are stuck? What is holding you up?

[hearty spoke]

that is my exact problem COAL 🙁

[shy temple]

For that, need to start scanning. Find more deposits if not enough.

[indigo geyser]

and dont try to max out production early game. just get whatever you can going and let it run while you hunt down spheres/sloops/slugs/hard drives

[shy temple]

In the grassy fields, that is the one weakness of the map, limited coal causing you to have to go explore/

[little cobalt]

sometimes you just need to wait for stuff to cook as well. so yeah exactly what @indigo geyser said

[earnest condor]

Define "enough"?

[sick falcon]

coal is the first resource that forces you to leave your initial area and branch out, theres good coal areas but theyre all a decent distance from the 4 spawn locations

[shy temple]

Are you using coal for power duch?

[hearty spoke]

999999999999k per sec XD

[earnest condor]

Lower your expectations.

[shy temple]

or not at that stage yet?

[hearty spoke]

idk maby 3 machines per resource ?

[hearty spoke]

yes

coke to be more specific

[shy temple]

Reason I ask, are you generating more electricity than you need?

[hearty spoke]

i under make power

[earnest condor]

If you're are oil power you should have solved Steel back in Phase 2.

[sick falcon]

thats not coal, coke is from oil

[shy temple]

biogenerators only burn as much as needed. Everything else is running full blast for power.

[hearty spoke]

wiat let me use translate then

no google says koks is coke

[indigo geyser]

i would actually focus all your steel production into pipes right now so you can make the sam fluctuators to unlock the power augmenter. 2 of those and you could probably shut down your coal gens and divert that to more steel

[sick falcon]

petroleum coke is crafted from oil, its similar to coal but its a separate resource

[earnest condor]

Coal = Phase 2 resource directly from mining.
Coke = Phase 3 resource from oil byproducts.

[little cobalt]

if you are getting it from a miner then it is coal, not coke

[indigo geyser]

coal comes from a miner and coke comes from a refinery

[hearty spoke]

no make coke using sulfur and coal

[sick falcon]

thats compacted coal

[indigo geyser]

oh youre talking about compact coal

[hearty spoke]

in polish it is caled koks witch is coke in eng

[indigo geyser]

i find thats not worth using in coal gens. you just replace half the coal with an equal amount of sulphur which is allot less common on the map

[shy temple]

That is good if you are doing that duch, we understand what you mean now.

Well, they are a new player and english is not primary language, lets take it slow guys.

do not want to overwhelm

[sick falcon]

yea but at the point of coal power, you dont have any use for sulfur so if theres any in the area you might as well use it

[hearty spoke]

well i make a lot of it, i'm about move one of my power gen to difrent location so i can make more steal

[shy temple]

With coal shortage between power and steel? If you are using splitters to make compacted coal and steel, you will need ot use scanner to find more.

Or if making more power than you need, can always turn off power plants to use less.

[indigo geyser]

he might get lucky with the compacted steel alt. ive never used it myself so idk if its even worth it but it would simplify the logistics drastically

[hearty spoke]

is it fine if i need to travel 2-3k m to get extra coal, i'm woried that transportation cost will be a bit much

[earnest condor]

Compacted Steel being the most space-using Steel alt makes no sense to me tbh.

[shy temple]

That is not uncommon and part of the gameplay to transport resources.

You can make long conveyors, or use tractors.

[indigo geyser]

hey ive built belts 6 km long once lol

[hearty spoke]

i assume i don't have to hord those wierd tech thingis

[indigo geyser]

its technically free after the initial build cost of the belt and poles

[shy temple]

Those are something you can find. On the map, you might have seen those yellow wrecks? You can research the hard drive from them to unlock new recipes

[hearty spoke]

tractos are worth ?
they are using coal afther all

[sick falcon]

no, scan them and then if you like either reward choose it, if you dont like either then let it sit there in the hard drive screen so both recipes are locked out of the pool

[shy temple]

Yes, they do not use that much compared to what they transport.

[earnest condor]

Automated moving of products is worth to most people, yes.

[shy temple]

I use them early game as well for transporting resources, coal commonly.

[hearty spoke]

so i don't have to hord hard drives ?

[sick falcon]

setting up their pathing is a pain until they get reworked next update

[shy temple]

I use compacted coal.

[indigo geyser]

the good thing about using vehicles to transport coal is you dont need to worry about fuel infrastructure lol

[sick falcon]

no, theres 120 in the game you wont run out

[earnest condor]

There are more HDDs than there are unlocks.

[indigo geyser]

its kinda just built in lmao

[shy temple]

no, you don't need to hoard them. There are enough to unlock everything.

There are tricks to finding what you want more easily.

[hearty spoke]

nice i was hording 10 of them, for posible tech tree unlocks

[indigo geyser]

you will need 2 i think for the mam research but thats about it

the rest you can use the mam to scan them and unlock alt recipes

[shy temple]

I think six total, one early on, and five for a late stage tech

[earnest condor]

It's built in to most infrastructure from that point forward. Which makes it so odd people are worried about fueling.

Most everything you build will either have coal or oil.. so the fuel is already there.

[hearty spoke]

one more question are all alt recepys more expensive ?

[indigo geyser]

depends

[shy temple]

Alt recipes are not about cost so much. They allow you to skip stages, which might use more. Or you use more advanced machines to make differently.

[whole citrus]

Very dependent on your situation and what materials you have nearby, some recipes are objectively more efficent (raw material wise) than their base recipes

[shy temple]

Or use a different resource.

[indigo geyser]

or they could amplify your end product in a production chain

[shy temple]

Alternate recipes are almost like an evolution

[earnest condor]

Define "expensive"?

[indigo geyser]

its like using the basic oil>fuel recipe vs using oil>HOR>diluted packaged fuel>unpackaging it... youll get 4x the amount of fuel from the same amount of crude oil at the cost of complexity

[shy temple]

An example is your iron. Right now you put iron in smelter and get bars. Later on you can use put iron in with water in a future building that will get you better yield, but that is more power and more buildings.

[hearty spoke]

i got alt rec for "strong stell plate" and it costed extra bolts for faster make time thats why i ask

[earnest condor]

What language is this in?

[indigo geyser]

he probably meant the reinforced iron plates

[shy temple]

Yes, that is an example. It is a different way to build it for higher output in exchange for the resources.

[earnest condor]

Knowing what he meant is why I asked the question?

[shy temple]

duch is polish

[indigo geyser]

which the alt hes talking about is called bolted iron plates and thats a pretty simple one. input more of the same ingredients to get more of the same products

[earnest condor]

Thank you.

[hearty spoke]

i could play in eng no problem but i prefer using my native langue

[hard wolf]

pure recipes that take water and ore in are more expensive in water but more efficient with ore. pure aluminum ingots are the opposite but don't require silica. a lot of recipies are either. my factory wouldn't be making anywhere near as much rocket fuel from oil without them, but in turn it requires more of other resources.

[earnest condor]

Not asking you to change. It was a genuine curiosity.

[shy temple]

A great pair of examples. Is why I like to call it an evolution. I use bonded iron plates for one so I can use rubber already in the factory instead of making screws.

[indigo geyser]

allot of the "just add water" alts seem to be some of the best to go with lol

[abstract heron]

Friends 19,300 hrs on record 700hr MORE needs

[shy temple]

Yup, they just need the refineries and power. That is the tradeoff. Getting water in, larger more power intensive building. But the power and space is less different vs two forges.

[earnest condor]

Best is subjective.

[shy temple]

Well, best in that once you unlock it, it is sort of a default

[earnest condor]

The only pure alt I even think about using a Caterium.

[shy temple]

steamed copper is 'pure' 🙂

[hard wolf]

there are a lot of recipes that are really good because you're already making one item in a factory and don't want to add a new production line to make, say, computers

[shy temple]

What do you use for iron?

[earnest condor]

Pure Iron literally has the worst conversion rate of any iron alt.
Pure Copper takes up soooo much more space than Copper Alloy.

[shy temple]

Yeah, the silicon one.

[abstract heron]

ooooooooooooo

[earnest condor]

Basic Iron is arguably the "best" iron alt.

Caterium I really, really like Tempered for how good it is. But I can see why people like Pure.

[hearty spoke]

slugs respawn or they are collectible

[hard wolf]

or OC super computer with base turbo motors since they both use RCU's and cooling systems

[earnest condor]

Limited number, but they are not a limiting factor in gameplay whatsoever.

Do not hoard them.

[shy temple]

You mean with limestone? Yeah, true. There is a lot of it on the map.

[indigo geyser]

ive been debating using leached caterium over pure caterium

[earnest condor]

Also has the best conversion rate last I checked.

Basic > Alloy > Pure in terms of iron alts.

[shy temple]

Yeah, is a 2/1

[earnest condor]

Tempered is tied for highest conversion rate. Worth considering.

[indigo geyser]

what about leached?

[shy temple]

Just takes lots of limestone.

[earnest condor]

Tied with Basic and I'd rather use Lime than Sulfur for iron.

[shy temple]

Sulfur is sorta limited and quite late game

[indigo geyser]

and as far as tempered caterium its the same 2:1 ratio as pure except now im using HOR to make them

[shy temple]

Leached is one of those ones I maybe use if it is making in a plant where I am already having a surplus of it.

[earnest condor]

Sulfur isn't limited 🤷‍♂️

[hard wolf]

there's also converters to cover resources in short supply. I'm going to be using them to make up for the 600 nitrogen, 300 coal, and 3000 sulfur I don't have in proximity to the plant

[shy temple]

Limited meaning only so many deposits.

[earnest condor]

Yes. But you save a crapload on space.
Without overclocking anything, it's 2 Refs + 8 Foundries vs. 15 Refs.

And it's 1 oil per 12 Caterium Ore.

[dense violet]

I think the idea of 'limited' in this case is that if you're having a huge factory and using leached recipes you can easily drain the map dry

[earnest condor]

So the oil cost is not that high.

[dense violet]

it's not super viable for a large system even if you don't plan on using sulfur anywhere else

[shy temple]

Yeah, will run out of sulfur before limestone

[hard wolf]

sulfur definitely feels the most scarce. I guess uranium moreso but it's not like we need much of it

[dense violet]

you can, thankfully, almost entirely ignore sulfur

[indigo geyser]

well you only use uranium for 1 thing in the game too lol

[dense violet]

in fact you can if you keep to diluted fuel

[hearty spoke]

i got iron ore + copper ore as alt rec worth taking ?

[dense violet]

well, I guess you'll still need a handful of batteries

[dense violet]

all of them are yes

[earnest condor]

Sulfur is only scarce if you make it so.

You can build Max Nuke + convert 100% of all Bauxite using Instant Scrap and still have enough sulfur for hundreds of Batteries/min.

[indigo geyser]

is it for making iron ingots or copper ingots?

[hearty spoke]

iron

[earnest condor]

Plus you can literally print extra Sulfur from Iron + SAM.

[indigo geyser]

if its copper is probably skip out on that for now youll be using way more iron than copper

[earnest condor]

Yes.
Again you will unlock EVERYTHING.

[dense violet]

either the copper ingot or the iron ingot of what you're talking about are very useful

[earnest condor]

?? Copper Alloy is phenomenal.

[shy temple]

printing sulfur from iron and sam sort of negates the whole efficiency of conversion when you are using iron to get it?

[dense violet]

flawed argument, tons more iron on the map

[hearty spoke]

yes but in early game i wnat to get "good rec" i can reroll it

[earnest condor]

?

[indigo geyser]

not saying it isnt but early game the iron is more important

[dense violet]

they are all useful.

[indigo geyser]

especially if youre still dealing with gag screws lol

[earnest condor]

Good is what you, personally, decide it is.
So you really shouldn't ask us. 🤷‍♂️

Screws aren't an issue once you hit Phase 2.

[hard wolf]

HOR + turbo heavy fuel + rocket fuel ignores sulfur, but I really wanna max out this 2550 crude

[indigo geyser]

screws outscale belts FAST

[dense violet]

rocket fuel is gross so you can easily cut sulfur out there

[hearty spoke]

thx you all for help

[earnest condor]

So feed directly instead of trying to move them on belts?

[indigo geyser]

if you want to manually do stuff in an automation game then sure go for it

[shy temple]

Is what I was referring to. Using sulfur to get iron ingots in discussion of efficiency. So wouldn't doing this reduce said efficiency?

[dense violet]

honestly if you're going turbo heavy you're cutting out so much of hte oil efficiency there anyway, wildly weird choices

[earnest condor]

Instead of having 5 Assemblers needing a total Screw amount.
Have 5 Assemblers each with a dedicated Steel Screw Constructor so your supply demand changes to X item + Steel Beam.

Boom. Belt issue solved.

[dense violet]

somehow RF has been made worse by that recipe chain

[earnest condor]

I am never using Leached Iron Ingot.
So I'm talking about printing Sulfur in every other context.
Sorry for not clarifying.

[shy temple]

No worries.

[indigo geyser]

isnt there a late game alt that turns coal into sulphur anyway?

[hard wolf]

I'm doing HOR + diluted + nitro lol. I'm going to scale power generation down as I need to scale ionized fuel up for drones, but that just makes it more complicated

[earnest condor]

Converter has options for both Coal and Iron.
Iron is just more plentiful.

[hard wolf]

but I definitely need enough power to do so, so rocket fuel seemed like a good choice until I'm ready to build nuclear, and ionized fuel is part of that.

[shy temple]

Yeah, sorry. I was in context of sulfur quantities and using it for making iron ingots. Kinda be funny if making iron ingots using sulfur to be efficient, but then have to use iron ore to make sulfur elsewhere. Theoretically I wonder if that is less efficient than just doing basic straight ore to ingots.

I wonder the math.

[earnest condor]

Iron to Sulfur makes it worth looking at Leached Copper if you really want to go that way.
But I still think Copper Alloy is the "best" imo.

[dense violet]

I just heard static with some random words about actively not doing better nuclear

[shy temple]

That is sort of my view. If you have a shortage of one (needing converters) and a surplus of another. Then if you have an alternate to replace the shortage with a surplus at production. A converter is kind of a sidestep to that.

[hard wolf]

@earnest condor I think you offered to share some info with me when I was ready but I don't remember what

[indigo geyser]

now im wondering the math lol. could you theoretically make infinite iron/min if the numbers are right? 🤔

[dense violet]

you can, trivially, get to nuclear with diluted fuel

[hard wolf]

I can't "not do better nuclear" if I haven't started yet :P

[earnest condor]

I... you may have been one of the people I told to dm me when you were ready to get into sushi?

[dense violet]

you could have, by just not doing RF and starting on it

[hard wolf]

but ionized fuel for drones goes brrr

[indigo geyser]

i just wish it sped up the take off and landing animation. those really hold drones back

[earnest condor]

I don't find any of the Leached recipes worth imo.

Iron is just bad.
Copper.. Alloy still wins imo.
Tempered and Pure Caterium are both better.
🤷‍♂️

[earnest condor]

Oooooo. If you're doing Ionized I was going to share the secret tricks? Was that it?

Printing Sulfur from Iron is good for nuclear lines or Instant Scrap if you have SAM closer than extra Sulfur nodes.

[indigo geyser]

personally i would go with pure caterium and save the HOR for either more fuel or coke steel which seem to be a bigger issue than how much quickwire i can make lol

[shy temple]

Never needed to use them myself really either for the leached. Only exception is if it is already in the plant. But nothing that sulfuric is used for is really used elsewhere unless you are making batteries within a plant.

[earnest condor]

1 oil per 12 Caterium Ore is an insanely good trade imo.

[hard wolf]

I think it might have been that but if it's for power generation idk that it'll help much x.x

[shy temple]

Is only place I can see myself ever using leached is in an independency solid state plant and using alts that bring iron into that.

[hard wolf]

I'm doing RF for power and ionized for the drone network

[dense violet]

uranium/plutonium rod drones go brr more

[earnest condor]

Especially if you're building something like HSC or AIL where you can process the Resin and the rest of the oil into usable product for the final output.

[hard wolf]

unless I want to minmax the power output of every uranium node

[shy temple]

I look forward to my nuclear buzzbirds running my plant.

[hard wolf]

also I don't want my skies that irradiated

[shy temple]

I wish we could... wait... can we?

Yes. I am going nuclear drones. That is my new objective.

[earnest condor]

Plutonium Drones are the best 😁

PLUTONIUM ROD JETPACK WHEN?!?

[indigo geyser]

theyll spend more time taking off and landing than they do flying lol

[hard wolf]

technically I could make more uranium in converters but eh

[earnest condor]

Oh they won't pick up a second rod for like... 10 flights 😁

[indigo geyser]

youll see one taking off and hovering there for a second to get its bearings then a dragon ball z sound effect when it just teleports to its destination lmao

[hearty flame]

i just realised

for the elevated one meme, it now gotta be the elevated ones

[shy temple]

Yup, I am going to build a big aerodrome by my nuclear power plant. Then they will collect the resources there. And trains will deliver them to where needed.

[hearty flame]

bc theres now 2

[shy temple]

Now I wish I did my trains a little different. Oh well.

[shy temple]

That would be some fun math. If one had minimum production needed to supply the fuel production and all other resources went to converters to make more uranium. what is that absolute maximum power output possible?

[indigo geyser]

im still trying to decide if i want to make an elevated highway for trucks or if i just want to run them on the ground

[hearty flame]

elevated

trust

[indigo geyser]

dunno but are you considering the 10 power augmenters?

[hard wolf]

that would likely be constrained by maximum SAM output

[indigo geyser]

and are you supplying them with the power matrices?

[little cobalt]

all depends on where you fall on the aesthetics/efficiency spectrum

[shy temple]

so find the most efficent resource map to make the fuel rod of minimal convertible materials and all reprocessing of waste. Then assume all same maximum efficiency of uranium production. I wonder what that maximizes out at.

[indigo geyser]

well i mean if all youre building for is max power capacity then efficiency is kind of a moot point lol

[shy temple]

Plus need to figure out where the most efficient slooping is.

Well, efficiency of resources I mean.

To maximize amount of uranium possible with convertors

[indigo geyser]

i dont think theres enough sloops on the map to do it honestly

[dim sentinel]

we love satisfactory am i right people 👍 😃

[indigo geyser]

i was assuming the 103 you have left after research which is only enough for 10 augmenters and 3 constructors

[hard wolf]

also the only converter recipe I'm seeing for uranium ore is with bauxite

[indigo geyser]

but honestly i would assume the augmenters will get you more power in the end than doubling the output of a single chain.

since the 10 augmenters is already 5000MW + 100% bonus power

[shy temple]

yeah, especially on that scale

doubling 1% is 1%

[fluid sapphire]

It's not a linear increase as I understand it?

[indigo geyser]

it is

[shy temple]

I thought that you could only have one per power grid?

[fluid sapphire]

You actually get a lot more

Oh?

[shy temple]

or is that just flavor text?

[indigo geyser]

no i tried it out myself to figure out that exact same question and you can have as many augmenters as you want but you only have enough sloops to build 10 without cheating stuff in and both the static power and bonus power stack additively

so just building 10 will get you 500MW + 100% of youre total capacity. supplying them with 50 power matrices/min will increasi it to 300% bonus power

[hard wolf]

so is it better to build 10 augmenters or poentially double all of your plutinium fuel rods and have more waste for ficsonium?

[fluid sapphire]

Maybe I should consider feeding 2 instead of 1 then

[unkempt blade]

that's why we have to make the most of factory carts on hamster wheel turbines if you we want to really max out free power

[dim sentinel]

guys should i work on my coal power plant before i start rebuilding my factory

[earnest condor]

No.

[unkempt blade]

listen to your heart

[shy temple]

ficsonium isn't that much power iirc?

More of an overly complex waste elimination tool?

[indigo geyser]

maxxing out free power will get you up to 58400MW and as long as you build 71 batteries to even out the fluctuation from the geothermal gens youll never blow a fuse

[dim sentinel]

my heart tells me to make POWER

i need more power

[ornate saffron]

the biggest power gains is from burning hte pluto rods.

[indigo geyser]

but thats assuming you have all the geothermal nodes with 10 power augmenters

[shy temple]

Yup. Fisc doesnt produce a lot. In a way it is not making huge gains over just paying for making itself.

Though I never have gotten to that level of endgame so I don't know the math

[indigo geyser]

fics fuel is best used in the awesome sink lol

[ornate saffron]

you cant sink it.

[indigo geyser]

well then sink whatever it was you turn the plutonium waste into

[earnest condor]

Just sink the plutonium rods and save yourself building Ficsonium stuff.

[leaden matrix]

Can't sink it, can't use it in drones, just toss it into a reactor anyways, not like it creates waste

[ornate saffron]

pluto rods are your last chance to sink. if you use them you gotta store the waste, Give it to doggos or build out ficsonium,

[shy temple]

Oh, that is a consideration for the uranium conversion. fisc takes sam ore to make?

[ornate saffron]

ya

[shy temple]

So that can be consideration for our power challenge question.

That said, nothing saying that the power generation problem is a no waste problem?

Waste is somebody elses problem. Leave it and use sam to make more uranium!

[dim sentinel]

guys is 60k+ concrete enough or do i need more

[shy temple]

Depends on how grand of construction you are planning on making

[ornate saffron]

if you needc more build more

[leaden matrix]

For what?😭

[dim sentinel]

im not building stuff too big im just getting concrete for the love of the game

[leaden matrix]

Oh, like the screw guy

[indigo geyser]

idk about you but i never have enough concrete

[leaden matrix]

I have like 7 DDs all for concrete😭

[indigo geyser]

i think ive gone thru 60k concrete about 20 times already haha

[supple canopy]

ficsonium prod really pays off if you source your dark matter residue from alien power matrices production

(and if you sloop fics fuel rods of course)

[ornate saffron]

I have 1000 concrete feeding 7 industrial storage and 7 depots. Its good enough for me

[dim sentinel]

how do i make pipes go up walls

[ornate saffron]

wall mounts. Bought in the awersome shop

[indigo geyser]

use the horizontal to vertical setting

pfft floor holes and just delete the floor and the hole lol

[hybrid kestrel]

is there a way to make it so the people in playing with also get the achievements whenever someone does something that gives an achievement?

[unkempt blade]

they just need to be online on the server when it happens

[hard wolf]

so I suggested slooping plutonium fuel rods because I figured there would be less machines (and there kind of are, since I'm planning on using the plutonium fuel unit recipe and that's made in an assembler), but in my modeler it's 24.44 assemblers making plutonium rods vs 15.27 manufacturers making uranium fuel rods (uranium fuel unit recipe), and that's kind of a toss up

[shy temple]

From what deadschim says, the most efficient use of sloops in a peak power construction is in the augmentor

unless you can more than quadruple your fuel rods

which would be slooping Uranium and Plutonium in multiple stages

[indigo geyser]

slooping adds way too much complexity to the chain for my little brain to handle

[shy temple]

I don't think that math works out.

[unkempt blade]

just sloop the final step, easy peasy

[ornate saffron]

I think @west jackal mathed out 2tw using more then half the games sloops and using the byproduct to make ionized fuel for power

[shy temple]

except for biologicals. Sloop all the processors. Power everything off biomass.

[supple canopy]

yes unless you play on all pure nodes, maximizing plutonium production will end up in not having enough SAM to process the fisconium conversion

[indigo geyser]

but why only sloop the final step when you can sloop every step and just keep doubling the output for every step? lol

[supple canopy]

it's power hungry, and sloop hungry

[unkempt blade]

most benefit is going to be that last step, it's the sum of all power/resources used