satisfactory

[brittle dune]

Electrons move waaaay to slowly for that

[smoky forge]

ehm what?

[hushed frigate]

like maybe at 200 megawatts youd need to use a different cable

[smoky forge]

must be a joke

[hushed frigate]

not a game designer by any means though so take that with an atom of salt

[brittle dune]

No genuinely, it's the electromagnetic field that carries the power and that's what does the work

[smoky forge]

so you are saying you studdied this?

because i did

[brittle dune]

I'm not saying electrons don't move

They do get moved by the fields

But that's not what actually carries the power

[smoky forge]

but you are saying that electricity is not defined by the motion of electrons in a conducter

[stuck canopy]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1493555731981533334 its finally completed

[brittle dune]

I'm not disputing that elections moving is a component of electromagnetism

[smoky forge]

there are transformers that transform high voltage to low voltage via insulated spules

[leaden turret]

-# perpetual motion machines are election fraud

[brittle dune]

Yeah cuz the electromagnetic fields interact wire to wire

[smoky forge]

yes but thats not electicity

why do you think a wire is a staight line of copper with no cuts in it?

because it needs to be

[brittle dune]

The fields propagate poorly through insulators

[smoky forge]

and this is also called inductivity field distortion

thats a problem and not wanted

[smoky forge]

thats a capacitor

1 layer conducter 1 layer insulation and 1 layer conducter

[brittle dune]

Look, all I'm saying is "electron flow carries energy" is a simple and pretty wrong model

It's not like water through a hose

[smoky forge]

it doesnt carry energy it is the energy

[brittle dune]

But often simplified like that

[smoky forge]

that is 50% acurate

so just for clearance, you havent studdied elecricity and just know this because yeah... knowledge

right?

[brittle dune]

Yes

I think we're just not on the same wavelength about this?

[leaden turret]

[insert electromagnetic spectrum joke here]

[smoky forge]

probably because im comparing your dubed knowledge to my 2 years experience as an electrician

[supple canopy]

believe it or not but it is a feature in the game. I wasn't able to recreate it but there's an animation for that #screenshots message

[fiery pewter]

Heavy load wire when

[glacial totem]

Well, I loaded a bunch of stuff onto my coal grid and it keeps tripping. I haven't done the math but consumption is not exceeding production. I will have to troubleshoot another day. Thanks everyone

[fluid sapphire]

if it trips you need enough power to kickstart it

[gusty ermine]

beat the game without automation

[dusty socket]

im deciding what do for the next secion... do i do a straight column of storage units or do i do a different shape (or smt)?

#screenshots message

[rigid wedge]

Makes sense. I’m used to it because of greg but managing that on top of all the other logistics would be very chaotic

[glacial totem]

enough power.. to the coal generator?

can one coal generator power another?

[fluid sapphire]

you need power to start the water extractors and miners

[supple canopy]

the "I didn't do the math" part is probably the issue

[glacial totem]

It tells you on the power pole what is being generated vs drawn, no?

[fluid sapphire]

if you have production lines that sometimes go on standby you need to keep an eye on max consumption too, not just consumption

[glacial totem]

I have one generator just powering the water extractor and coal miner, then two others consuming that water and coal to power my factory

I'll need to check another day what is being consumed

time for sleep 😴

[fluid sapphire]

i dont get it, you have separate grids?

alright

[glacial totem]

I don't get it either lol

I'm still learning

I made 3 generators though

I thought it would be a good use of all that coal

[fluid sapphire]

better to make them in blocks of 3:8

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[glacial totem]

I don't know what that means sorry

[fluid sapphire]

3 water extractors provide enough water for 8 generators

[glacial totem]

Yep, so I've got one water extractor to 3 generators

[fluid sapphire]

thats 3:9

[glacial totem]

Oh dear

[fluid sapphire]

not enough unless you are overclocking your water extractor

[glacial totem]

Haha cool! Thanks for troubleshooting without needing more info

[cold berry]

"a mega factory is just a bunch of sub factories" says haters who can't build a mega factory don't @ me

[green fiber]

A megafactory is a wannabe gigafactory

[cold berry]

(I'm joking, I know it is)

I'm doing one medium-large factory per phase I think this run, and I'm going to make the factories in different biomes.

[hard ivy]

nah the only real megafactory is one that has all the production of each item together in one place
if you have 2 banks of constructors making plates in 2 different places in a factory, it's not a magafactory

imagine how horrible that'd be

[green fiber]

The true megafactory is the entire landmass full of factories

And the friends profit we made along the way

[cold berry]

I'm not doing those, but I think I'm doing like, an in-between? I'm going to be making everything in a phase, setting it up to a central DD storage/space elevator parts factory, and making a new factory every phase in a new biome and just sending the parts there.

Because I haven't made a sorting facility yet and it sounds fun TBH

[small crypt]

those kind of died when depots were added

[cold berry]

Yeah but they're "fun"

So I "want" to do one

[ornate saffron]

thats the best reason

[small crypt]

depot downloaders when

[reef basin]

never

doesn't make sense

[ornate saffron]

not likely there is a mod though

[violet glen]

The Pioneer is a human depot downloader :D

It's how I do my elevator parts. Automate the components, then make a factory for the parts, and just hand feed in the components every now and then

[small crypt]

That's how I did some of the final stuff but earlier on theyre always needed for the next phase

[ornate saffron]

for the first time ever i have automated every phase part (so far).

i need to get pasta going this week at somepoint.

[jagged nymph]

how the hell is amazon so fast

i justordered something right now and it said it will be here in like 2.5 hours

[tall lantern]

seems a tad #off-topic-general

[violet glen]

Careful, it's gonna come in a drone full fueld by a plutonium rod

[hard ivy]

Good thing the devs didn't code in neuron activation of materials

[cold berry]

I have set up smelting for my first loading area for my phase 1-4 factory. This first area is the main bus of the factory, so it's getting the first step of everything. And so it has iron, copper, Caterium, limestone, quartz, coal and Sulfur coming to it in a big warehouse.

Secondary loading bay will have iron and coal for steel.

Final loading bay will have coal and Sulfur for CHURBOFUEL

[reef basin]

obviously you can play however you want, but I personally wouldn't recommend main bus, or centralisation (megafactory)

many people coming from factorio default to that, but SF is generally played in a different approach

[cold berry]

Oh I get it. I'm not doing all in one, I'm making 4 factories connected by trains and will share the outputs. I'm not going totally vertical here

[violet glen]

Except for Alu-Stuff I'm kinda ending up with a mega factory right now by accident

"Oh wait, my waste compacted coal can make Steel?"

[reef basin]

well, "megafactory" in SF context is a name for playstyle where you have all production in a single place

[violet glen]

yep

I have everything except Alu in one place right now

will probably change, but right now I have all materials in that spot by pure chance

They'll run out eventually, and some parts will get outsourced

but the alternates for Steel from compacted and petrol coal delayed it a lot

[reef basin]

then you don't have megafactory 🙂

[south sinew]

#screenshots message this is

[stuck canopy]

how to deal with false signals from scanner?

like im trying to find stuff without map, but it leads me to a pod i already opened

radars seem to be broken too

[ornate saffron]

Ya. Its a consistent issue. I have yet to find a solution

[small crypt]

dismantle the pods

[stuck canopy]

i did, it led me to an open field, i only know pod was there because i check on SCIM

[small crypt]

weird

[stuck canopy]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1493599194227933355

[small crypt]

yeah wtf thats frustrating

[exotic frigate]

I did a small mini aluminum factory for unlocks and belts

[stuck canopy]

okey scim shows actual count in range of towers, i will use that too find more drives

[ornate saffron]

Nothing wrong with that. Honestly its a key feature of alum

[worn oar]

Packaged turbofuel before automating versatile framework is crazy

[exotic frigate]

Yeah. I need t5 belts if im going to do my big aluminum factory in any reasonable way

12600 aluminum scrap/m is insane and doing it at a limit of 480 is not sustainable

[fluid sapphire]

did a similar thing

[exotic frigate]

Also hoverpack pog

[placid stirrup]

did a similar thing

#streams-and-videos message

[rough shore]

guys i gtg

[placid stirrup]

Don't, you have so much to live for

[ornate saffron]

Dev stream is live fyi

[timid rune]

hmmm must have lost 15 sloops to SCIM by accident somehow

ended up spawning it back in with SCIM 😄

[placid stirrup]

drops 50 in a random container

[timid rune]

that should be 30(+30) warp drive build done

[placid stirrup]

@timid rune your pfp goes crazy btw, who's the artist?

[timid rune]

🙂

[placid stirrup]

🙃

[timid rune]

think next save I will just transport turbofuel or quartz crystal to coal sources instead of the other way

definitely not making a warped drive megafactory though

the logistics for 30 warp drive/min is funky!

[ornate saffron]

Ya, it would be. But once you fulfill your needs you got 86,860,020 sink points a minute

[timid rune]

thinking about doing a 40/min run next time

I am actually making 60/min with sloops on the manufacturers

[ornate saffron]

Gotcha. I have no big numbers aspirations this playthrough. Im just taking my time

[exotic frigate]

I want to do everything once. But I do have big number aspirations

I imagine ill stay on this save for quite a while afterwards too, prettying up everything

[rough shore]

was staring for a good 10 seconds waiting for the pfp to load

[rough shore]

also im back dont worry i changed my mind ig

[exotic frigate]

I want to do a big accumenopolis style build. Cover the world in foundation

[ornate saffron]

im slowly doing that in the Swamp. Im at 1/4 coverage so far. Im just expanding as needed.

[exotic frigate]

Ill do that in my pure node world

I want every node on the map feeding into one huge factory

[strange vortex]

I didnt know i have Golden Ficsit items

[fluid sapphire]

your pc will explode

[small crypt]

i could never

i rejected verticality

[karmic plover]

does anyone have a good fuel refinery blueprint?

[exotic frigate]

I will go to the lowest settings

[fluid sapphire]

wont help you if you\re trying to process all nodes

[exotic frigate]

Then I will die trying

[fluid sapphire]

how much RAM do you have

and what cpu

[small crypt]

this game has been surprisingly lightweight and performant even on giga ultra settings

even in the center of 288 fuel gens no performance dips not even a little

[fluid sapphire]

288 is not so bad, try making 4x that though

[exotic frigate]

32gb ram, i9-11900k

[fluid sapphire]

you\ll likely hit memory bottleneck before cpu bottleneck then, but hit it you will

but its true, how well the game runs is nothing short of a miracle

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=EroMJ5VPKhvF66XMUTOR here

[dense violet]

aim for 1/4, your computer will start dying around then

[exotic frigate]

1/4 what

[dense violet]

of world resources

even before they doubled the resources in 1.0, if you spread everything out to put less stress on your rig, it was seconds per frame

on lowest settings

[vernal vortex]

is 960 aluminum ingots/min a good amount to start with?

[dense violet]

sure

[stuck canopy]

why does buildings have recipes in handbook? recipes with items per min

[ornate saffron]

Please elaborate.

[sick falcon]

is instant scrap good for large scale aluminum production

[ornate saffron]

Large scale production?

Assuming you mean you want the maximum output i think there is better options

[sick falcon]

i assume it’s just the way the handbook is coded, it needs a placeholder there

[ornate saffron]

My autocorrect has been a menace as of late

[sick falcon]

wtf there’s a sisyphean insurrectionist

[whole robin]

Using sloppy alumina and electrode scrap uses materials far more common than sulfur

And the two recipes combined have the same bauxite to scrap ratio as instant scrap anyways

[sick falcon]

oh it’s the same ratio? i assumed bc it costs sulfur it had a better ratio

[smoky forge]

always them sulfur

[whole robin]

Nope, just marginally less complicated logistics

[sick falcon]

what’s even the point of the recipe then, it’s slightly less complex for the trade off of needing a somewhat rare material

[brazen fulcrum]

Ello.. I am making my first train line. One rail, with engine on each end. The freaight station will not load the train cars. What am I missing? Thanks

[ornate saffron]

There is a toggle in the freight station for load/unload. Is it in the correct setting

[brazen fulcrum]

Yes. Its on the load option, and the station is full of items

[exotic frigate]

It really depends on location I think. Because where i have my aluminum factory, quartz would have to come in via train, and I do not want more train lines than I need

[earnest condor]

Sulfur is not that rare.

For context: there is enough sulfur on the map to do all aluminium from Instant Scrap + Max Nuke and still have enough left over for hundreds of Batteries/minute.

Is there a low total amount? Yes.
But you don't use a high total amount for anything.
So the net result is it being not rare in context.

[exotic frigate]

I just need bauxite, copper, oil, and water and I can get all my aluminum processing done

[earnest condor]

Instant also has zero water recycling issues. Because the input for Acid directly matches the output from Scrap.
So just loop it back 1:1 and you're golden.

[ornate saffron]

Will the train dock? And is the train station facing the right way?

[brazen fulcrum]

Does not dock and when trying to auto pilot it says station unreachable

[sick falcon]

the humble and reliable rocket fuel:

[sick falcon]

you don’t build 1 big train network covering the whole map?

[ornate saffron]

turn the train station the other way so the curved part of the D is facing away from the freight station

[ornate saffron]

Most people build as needed. It may or may not cover the whole map ^_^

[full wagon]

does anyone have the issue where truck station wont unload in experimental? (powered, switched to unload, vechile path place on the unload node)

[earnest condor]

#satisfactory-experimental

[exotic frigate]

Not yet anyway

[sick falcon]

not like whole map but building a train line connecting all my major factories feels so important idk how people function without it

[earnest condor]

Trucks.
Drones.
?

[ornate saffron]

its not needed when your factories are built to function independently.

I have no trucks or trains going to the swamp. i just built everything i need in that biome. the phase parts are being droned to my space elevator.

[abstract heron]

@void gorge for the stream i said verifying account on her twitch chat

[sick falcon]

trucks are painful until 1.2 and drones are low throughput and late game

[sick falcon]

that’s fair, swamp does kind of have everything you need

[ornate saffron]

many places do. in various quantities of course. But no trains is completely viable.

As always there is no wrong way,

[earnest condor]

I've been trucking since trucks were added... and they are a thing of beauty.

I'm happy that 1.2 will bring more people to it, but I will hold there is nothing wrong with them currently.

[untold moat]

IMO its more of a personal taste, some people like designing roads for their trucks, some people like doing fuel mechanics for drone fleets, some people like going Choo Choo, some people forget we have vehicles and do massive belt/pipe highways

[earnest condor]

We are losing some functionality in trade for the simplicity though. Which makes me sad.

[sick falcon]

maybe i’m a bad driver

[sick falcon]

what’s being lost?

[untold moat]

im curious, which functionality are we losing for trucks?

[ornate saffron]

ill miss my for fun factory cart routes, adding the vibes of a busy factory

[sick falcon]

factory carts are losing automation???!

[earnest condor]

That is the case for 99% of truck issues.
(Not flaming). Which is why them taking the driving out helps bring more people to use them.

[untold moat]

where is my torch and pitchfork factory...

[earnest condor]

Jump Pads.
Pass-through unloading at parallel stops.

[ornate saffron]

no but you have to have stations come 1.2

as it is now i can just record a route and have factory carts drive around making the factory feel alive with interaction

[untold moat]

do they still consume zero fuel?

[sick falcon]

oh damn that’s a shame

[untold moat]

so long as they do its not a huge problem, as power production shouldn't be an issue

[ornate saffron]

As far as i know. But they MUST be paired with truck stations in 1.2 in 1.1 you can just record a route regardless if stations are invovled

[untold moat]

just means you have to be a bit more creative with how you hide them

[ornate saffron]

over all i think its a positive change

[sick falcon]

i’ve only ever used them for the occasional thing thats too far for conveyors but not enough for trains, so no roads probably isn’t helping

[earnest condor]

Never build roads 😭

Trucks drive on the dirt where they belong.

[white dawn]

Could still hide a few stations in a basement or something for carts to dock in. I assume you could make their routes long and windy. :D

[ornate saffron]

the strength of vehicles is that they dont need infrustructer. You just need two stations and a fuel source

[ornate saffron]

thats the plan ^_^

over all its a good rework

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's a good change overall for sure. I'm still going to miss drive-to-create-the-path though. :P

Perhaps someday they'll add it back in as an option

[untold moat]

or a lot of vehicles if you use factory carts

[ornate saffron]

I hadnt droven anything since U7 i think until a few days ago. it feels so much better then i remember lol

[untold moat]

I use the explorer a lot and its kind of russian roulette sometimes with which bushes have collision and which ones are just for decoration

[ornate saffron]

depends on required through put. Moving a stack of phase parts to the space elevator is a great job for carts

[earnest condor]

Trucks have the highest throughput, lowest fuel cost, and middle infrastructure cost.

Trains have the highest adaptability, middle fuel cost, middle throughput, highest infrastructure cost and they go choo.

Drones have the lowest throughput, highest fuel cost, lowest infrastructure cost.

[white dawn]

Yeah, it always seemed to me that driving difficulties in the game seemed overstated. I always wondered if there was some combination of hardware + performance which could result in driving physics just being flat-out worse for some people or something

[earnest condor]

It's a very well-balanced system.

[ornate saffron]

Im just terrible at driving vehicles in video games. They make me motion sick lol

[untold moat]

number 1 rule of throughput math: Just because you need a large number doesn't mean that its invalid, just impractical; like staying with screw heavy recipes for the entire game.

[earnest condor]

Nothing wrong with Bolted Plate/Frame 💛

Saving tons of space is valuable.

[ornate saffron]

i have no issues with large quantities of screws. its never been a issue

[untold moat]

really, trucks have more throughput than trains?

[small crypt]

not even close

[earnest condor]

Trains are incapable of moving 2 belts per platform.
Trucks do not have this limitation.

[ornate saffron]

i actually disagree. Space is the resource we have the most of.

[white dawn]

Well, a single truck has more potential throughput than a single freight car, anyway. :)

[untold moat]

I just said its impractical (mostly from a belting perspective, as by my experience I produce a LOT of things) not that its invalid. everyone has their own playstyles. all recipes have a valid use case, though some rightfully deserve the hate they get BIOCOAL.

[sick falcon]

why dont trucks have this limitation

[earnest condor]

Welcome to why all "recipe tierlists" are bull 😁
Everyone cares about different metrics, so everyone's "best" recipes are automatically different.

[untold moat]

can they sustain two max speed belts?

[white dawn]

Trains have the advantage that you can just keep adding more freight cars. :) (Though to be fair: tractors/trucks have the advantage that you can just add more to the route, so it evens out in the end. :)

[earnest condor]

So that trains aren't the uncontested best method of moving everything.
It's about logistics design balance.

[untold moat]

yep, its why I say best is relative and try to understand their playstyles and goals before telling people which one to pick

[ornate saffron]

absolutely, Recipes are just tools. you pick the one you think is the best in the situation. there is no right or wrong as long as you get the desired outcome

[sick falcon]

no like physically how

[earnest condor]

They don't have a lockout during load/unload.

[earnest condor]

Covers the ears of recipes
No, they did not just call you a "tool", you are good boys and girls. Very helpful.
😏

[sick falcon]

oh so trains having it is an intentional choice i thought it was an engine limitation

[earnest condor]

Correct.

[spice timber]

yo i got question how do i change the amount of matriral i take in my invintory

[sick falcon]

hold click on it? shift click? something along those lines

[untold moat]

From the perspective of a hard drive: Everything is dark. I then hear many explosions and see a bright light appear from above me, and an orange helmet looks in. "You are being rescued. Please do not resist"

[rough shore]

hold right click if my memory hasnt miserably failed me

[earnest condor]

Orange? 😭

[sick falcon]

the various things needed for opening crash sites implies the other crash sites have all these things and our pioneer is just too stupid to get them

[untold moat]

if you mean stack size, you can click and hold to do a custom split, and I think left click to just take half a stack. been a bit since i've played though

[daring oriole]

how tf do i analise harddrives

[sick falcon]

the hard drive section in the MAM

[spice timber]

that worked thank you very much

[daring oriole]

i doesnt pop up am i doing summa wrong

[untold moat]

having done a bit of scavenge, it is really hard to get usable parts from an already built system.

[untold moat]

can you open a post in #1038092680493801533 and post images there so we can see what you see?

[sick falcon]

oh interesting, i assume this doesn’t hold for raw materials like copper?

[untold moat]

the simpler the component, the easier it is to scrap IRL, which would explain why we can get things like wires, screws, plates, and simpler complex products, but are unlikely to get things like heat sinks, cooling units, computers, etc. from the crash sites

[sick falcon]

heat sinks are complex? aren’t they just aluminum that’s been machined into thin sheets

[spice timber]

thanks that worked

[untold moat]

my pleasure

[untold moat]

depends on the heat sink, and machining is a more complex technique than people think.

[violet brook]

I still have my file (currently on steel) where all my factories are just painted boxes.

[untold moat]

nice

[rough shore]

uh sir i said it first

[untold moat]

ah, but I said it louder and with more things

[rough shore]

more things yes but how louder

[untold moat]

its the whole joke of when one person says something, but another person says it louder and gets the credit

[earnest condor]

LOUD NOISES

[cold berry]

Uh I've gotten computers from the crash sites. Strewn about. That feels like they'd be broken more easily than if they were in the ship

Is just a game I guess is the answer then

[rough shore]

so we are admitting to YOU stealing MY credit

[white dawn]

Pioneer safety isn't as important as resource safety. :D

Margins on resources: ∞ / Margins on drop pods: approaching 0

[sick falcon]

but the final product is complex enough that extracting it from scrap is on the same level as something as fragile as electronics?

[earnest condor]

Would be interesting if in a future update they changed some of the crashed freighter to crashed drop pods of pioneers who didn't make it.

[frank cedar]

How long do major updates like 1.2 stay in experimental? I'm really excited to try daisy chaining on my main save

[earnest condor]

No reason you can't be on 1.2 right now 🤷‍♂️

[white dawn]

Usually a few months. I believe they may have said something about release plans on today's stream, maybe?

[sick falcon]

i do kind of wish the other two drop pods that made it to the surface showed up in the skybox, like how ada always says they’re ahead of you i wish we could see their space elevators in the distance

[white dawn]

Also: you can daisy-chain quite easily even on v1.1 once you have the Blueprinter

[frank cedar]

Yeah but it's my main save, scared to lose it to a serious bug or something, it is experimena; after all

[untold moat]

i said more difficult, not impossible

[white dawn]

Put machine in blueprinter / use beams-or-whatever to embed a wall socket in the machine / delete the beams / hook the machine up to the socket / save blueprint / profit

[sick falcon]

how do you daisy chain without buildings having double connections

[earnest condor]

Planet curved. How see things on other side?

[sick falcon]

oh nvm

[untold moat]

They thanked me, I did the polite response. you may be reading into it too deeply

[white dawn]

I've been daisy-chaining power since even before 1.0, without mods. :) All hail the blueprint!

[sick falcon]

space elevator big. rises up over curvature

[untold moat]

its usually a couple to several months. If you want daisy chaining, I do know that there are a couple mods that have that as a main feature

[smoky forge]

das kinda #story-spoilers ngl

and besides that ||we are a clone, ada is making it all up||

[earnest condor]

Planet big. Land far away. Too much curve for rise.

Also possible the other 2 landed, completed, left. Us being the 3rd to survive doesn't mean the other 2 are still present.

[untold moat]

only works if they are within 110ish degrees of your planetary position, otherwise the planet curvature would actually block the view

[smoky forge]

didnt she say 3rd in this region?

[earnest condor]

3rd in sector after directly clarifying planet == sector.

Also unless you have a dev outright stating we are clones I will never put stock in that theory 🤷‍♂️😭

[untold moat]

granted there is also the argument that the planet's atmosphere could also cloud the distance depending on the makeup of the atmosphere

[untold moat]

1: spoiler spoilers.
2: everyone is entitled to their opinions. Whether you trust the game's built in narrator or not is up to the player

[earnest condor]

Spoiler what?
The opening dialog of the first 60s of the game?

And where is the line that ADA directly says "you are a clone"?

[shy temple]

Everybody is exactly the same with the same body. All pioneers have the exact same gear 🙂

[untold moat]

<me in my welding helmet variant>

[sick falcon]

not me, i’m the original pioneer

[earnest condor]

Everybody plays as Leon in Resident Evil. Clearly Leon is a clone and not just the main character.

[shy temple]

Well, you don't when you land, you put on your welding helmet

You cannot multiplayer leons on the same map

[heavy sigil]

Starwalker ah comment

[white dawn]

Speak for yourself! I'm a lizard-person under that suit. :P

[shy temple]

What if we all are?

[smoky forge]

im a tree

[sick falcon]

leon also doesn’t canonically respawn a ton of times

[sick falcon]

impossible, for i do not think

[earnest condor]

ADA doesn't say "you are the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth to survive." Narrative is around the SP experience.
MP is there because it is a video game and they wanted to let more people have fun.

[untold moat]

<insert buzz lightyear meme here>

[earnest condor]

Still waiting on either a dev quote or ADA quote saying "you are a clone" 🤷‍♂️

[brazen fulcrum]

Got it to work, but now after I unload, the train now says docking forever

[smoky forge]

no next station in timetable

[shy temple]

Ada does say that others before you failed and there is evidence of other failed pioneers

But since we have multiple identical characters in same map... must mean we are clones!

[earnest condor]

Nope.

[brazen fulcrum]

Its a 1 rail back and forth system. Im sitting at the unload station, and it unloaded great. After unload it says docking. But in timetable, I have the other station listed

[smoky forge]

can it drive out of the station?

[sick falcon]

failed as in “failed to complete the space elevator” or “splattered on the ground in their drop pod”

[shy temple]

Sides, we are incapacitated, a new one of us is delivered to the hub

[brazen fulcrum]

Yes, stuck on docking

[sick falcon]

do you have an engine on both ends, engines can’t reverse in this game

[smoky forge]

no could it physicaly drive out of it

[shy temple]

Is what I was pondering too.

I love screenshots, if possible to get them to see if anything unusual in the setup

[sick falcon]

is your timetable set to 1 load/unload or wait for the train to be full/empty

[brazen fulcrum]

Yes I can do it manually but when i turn on self driving it just says docking

[brazen fulcrum]

Set to load at one end, and unload at the other

[sick falcon]

ok you don’t know what the advanced timetable settings are so it’s probably not that

[ornate saffron]

Is the station you need to travel to facing the right way

[fluid sapphire]

what about the platform settings?

they also have load/unload

[harsh stream]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the game and I'd like to play with a controller. I play through Steam, but the game won't work with the controller. Could you help me if possible, please? (I'm French)

[fluid sapphire]

you have to change the control mode manually in the options, for now, with 1.2 it should be automatic

[brazen fulcrum]

It did fine from that station to this one, but now stuck at docking, and there is nothing left to unload

[shy temple]

Can you post screenshots of the station and train?

[white dawn]

(Ideally in a #1038092680493801533 thread, btw)

[brazen fulcrum]

Cant post pics here

[fluid sapphire]

use the suggested channel, its literally made for stuff like this

[brazen fulcrum]

Sorry Dad

[fluid sapphire]

i am not offended by your attempt to get help here, its just suboptimal because of slow mode and no images, and messages getting buried easily

[brazen fulcrum]

Where would be the best place to post a picture and asl for help?

[ornate saffron]

Make a thread in #1038092680493801533

[brazen fulcrum]

I can not post in Questions and help.

[white dawn]

Yes you can, but you need to create a new thread. :)

[shy temple]

Yeah, very true. That is definitely the way to go. Wont let you select new post in top right?

[ornate saffron]

@brazen fulcrum also please ask people before you dm them. Many of us ignore dms

[white dawn]

I think it might require you to choose a tag for your post before being able to submit; can just choose PC or Console as appropriate for a quick choice

[fluid sapphire]

it does, and it also tells you you need a tag

[brazen fulcrum]

Its greyed out for me. Ive added tags

Got it

[shy temple]

Hmm... this train query makes me want to try a new style of train where the engines are in the middle of the train...

reasons

[fluid sapphire]

not sure you can make that function

at least in a practical way

[earnest condor]

Everything is practical if you make the situation hyper-specific enough 😉

[fluid sapphire]

i dont think stations connect to platforms that are in front of them (also why we get so many "station is backwards" problems)

and the first locomotive always needs to stop in a station so

if you have cars in front of that locomotive, those cars are essentially useless for that station

[stuck canopy]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1493654839266382055

should really upgrade from 1050 Ti ...

[small crypt]

This game does a really good job of actively and aggressively discouraging megafactories with the fundamental mechanics of how the game works whilst simultaneously giving access to things like trains and drones that make the prospect of a mega factory really fucking cool

[stuck canopy]

like what?

[worn oar]

The game doesn't discourage megafactories

[small crypt]

false

[uneven path]

Y'all gotta explain your reasoning. How does it discourage them in your opinion?

[small crypt]

Because the game heavily favors modular factories

[uneven path]

How?

Don't just reword your initial point

[fluid sapphire]

framerate goes to shit and logistical complexity gets pretty overwhelming

[earnest condor]

Game encourages building.
How and what you build are entirely up to you 💛

[uneven path]

As far as I can tell, the game just makes you consider your decisions around logistics. You want to bring everything to one location? Ok, figure out the logistics. Want to make satellite factories? Ok, how are you planning to handle longer/more complex production chains late game?

[strange vortex]

Hello chat. What y'all woudl do if you wake up next day as your fav person?

[earnest condor]

Cry?

[small crypt]

Like in their prime?

[uneven path]

An actually valid point! Yeah, performance is definitely a major drawback to mega-factories

[ornate saffron]

I'd move this to #off-topic-general

[strange vortex]

Bruh. I thinked I was in #off-topic-general

Mb

[white dawn]

I don't think the game necessarily discourages megafactories inherently, apart from the general problems of dealing with the logistics of doing so which would be problematic no matter what the implementation. I do think that the game does very often specifically encourage outposting, though.

[uneven path]

I do think the way nodes are clustered often lends itself to satellite factories yeah

[white dawn]

Apart from the handful of times where ADA/whatever text rather explicitly tells you to get out there and build smaller factories elsewhere, there's the way the alt recipes are set up (generally no clear "best" recipes, allowing for many flexible build locations for the same material), the lush handbuilt map which they want you to explore + build in, the plethora of logistics options to make getting back and forth between sites easily, etc, the way node placements are set up to encourage you to go out and find good spots for your factories, etc.

[exotic frigate]

Factorio "solved" this by introducing a bunch of high cost buildings that had ridiculous crafting speeds and recipes, as well as quality, which made buffing buildings even more effective.

Essentially more vertical mobility made achieving the same production much less expansive in terms of factory building.

Satisfactory cant really do this though. Sloops and shards help, but theyre not really enough to have the same effect

[spice timber]

how much coal per min is full effective for a coal power plant

[worn oar]

However many you have

[earnest condor]

Depends on how many generators you have in the plant.

[white dawn]

It's not uncommon to leave Phase 2 with anywhere from 32-64 coal gens

[uneven path]

It's also worth considering you can make "mega-factories" where you build everything in one place without it being massive and hard on the frame rate. It's just about the scale you want to build at and your goals with regards to output

[white dawn]

But yeah, depends on your needs and how "big" you build. And you can generally easily build out coal in modules

[exotic frigate]

Coal generators take in 15 coal/m each, standard

[white dawn]

Build 'em in chunks of 8 and you can come back to expand as you need it

[earnest condor]

Overclocking also cuts building count but people seem to avoid it for unknowable reasons /shrug

[spice timber]

okay thank you very much

[worn oar]

I love overclocking, dunno about other people

[exotic frigate]

Overclocking the generators will cause them to consume more coal

[uneven path]

Very cool, Factorio does some very clever stuff

[worn oar]

And you should always overclock miners, and overclocking power has no downside

[earnest condor]

Finding a building without a shard in it is a unicorn on my world.

[white dawn]

Overclocking's less common during coal gens, yeah, though I expect that's more down to just not having a nice stockpile of shards yet, at that point

[shy temple]

How do you mean? I find this game is one of the better ones for encouraging megafactories

[uneven path]

Yeah I've seen people saying that overclocking and slooping is "cheating" and that it's just "an excuse for people to play the game less".

Absolutely unhinged.

[white dawn]

I suspect just about anyone headed into a largeish Fuel Gen loadout has realized the value of overclocking for power generation pretty quickly. :)

[small crypt]

counterpoint: #screenshots message

[earnest condor]

Somering I can kinda see how people view as cheating.

Using shards to have less buildings or just better building ratios is... wild.

[exotic frigate]

Yes, it essentially rewards you for your efforts of space logistics and solving the different planets, and building enough to make buildings fast and high quality.

The reward is that you can megabase in very small footprints

[untold moat]

1: technical issue with the game engine IIRC
2: PEBKAC.

[shy temple]

Overclocking? No! #sluglife

[exotic frigate]

I only overclock what I need because i dont have enough shards

[shy temple]

Underclocking only for me.

I build more factories instead

[fluid sapphire]

yeah yeah, every problem is a pebkac

[untold moat]

if it was modding to get that point, then yes. but using a game mechanic as intended isn't cheating.

[worn oar]

You're a 10x engineer. You do 10x the work to achieve the same output

[exotic frigate]

Maybe for you

[untold moat]

I don't think you know what that term means if thats your take on it...

[earnest condor]

People
Eating
Bacon
Knowingly
Acquire
Cancer

? 🤔

[shy temple]

I just like simplified lines without big bussing. So I underclock to keep things even and aligned. I hate odd decimal point values ruining things.

[fluid sapphire]

you could say that about just about any problem any player encounters in the game

[untold moat]

Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair

See also: ID-10T error.

[uneven path]

I totally understanding not wanting to use sloops yourself, that's completely fair. But the idea that other people are cheating by using them is crazy talk. There's a cost in 4x power, so even if you build fewer particle accelerators and sloop them, you have to build more power infrastructure to compensate.

[earnest condor]

Ah, lol 😄

[untold moat]

not really. you are complaining about complexity where thats basically half of the game's core mechanics, is organizing complexity

[worn oar]

There's just as much evidence for a low-fiber diet causing colon cancer as there is for bacon causing it

[exotic frigate]

I just dont want to explore for the sloops and shards. I want a recipe to automate sloops

[earnest condor]

Oh I use the somers, I have no qualms about.
My ionized fuel relies on them because I figured out who to eliminate sulfur and coal entirely from the production and make Compacted Coal byproduct match the Turbofuel input requirement by somering the correct machines 😄

[fluid sapphire]

you are making an extreme example, like yes, obviously

[earnest condor]

Yes, but when you have to very quickly invent an acronym, you don't get to be choosy with words 😄

[shy temple]

I think only time I really used sloops for was occasionally to boot station component outputs and as a fountain in my train station.

[untold moat]

I personally use sloops for power production exclusively. everything else I gain more of with time, however my MWh output is constant, so expansion is favorable.

[uneven path]

lol valid af

I definitely find myself getting frustrated doing the hunting for hard drives. I was fine with it in my first playthrough, but man I don't want to go hunting for hard drives just to scan 1 every 10 minutes and find out I haven't got what I need and have to do the same thing again. So I use the creative mode option for unlocking alts now.

[exotic frigate]

I use sloops for compressing slugs into canisters, and phase parts

[white dawn]

Advanced Game Settings (Creative Mode in exp/v1.2) and you can give yourself however many sloops/drives/whatever you want, btw. :)

Or SCIM, if you don't want to trip the "no achievements" flag

[untold moat]

honestly if im playing around with my friends who are new, I goof around, but on my personal save, I use SCIM, and while parts are working for early steel production, I just run out and grab as many as I can get

[empty bridge]

Hi All. I wonder if someone could help please. One of the lines going into my assembler won't feed in the product and therefore production has stopped. Any ideas what I need to do?

[earnest condor]

@uneven path if you are curious, I found the excerpt from when I did the maths:

Compacted:
Somerslooping all Rocket Fuel Blenders gives you the 22.5 out of 24 Compacted as we discussed.

22.5/24 = 15/16
So you need 1 "less" Turbofuel's worth of Compacted per 16 machines if you're going to make it completely closed.
Solution: Somer 1/15th of your Turbo. That way 15 machines counts as 16 machines without needing that 1.5 extra Compacted/min.
Perfectly closed loop, eliminating the need for sulfur and coal entirely from the production of Ionized

So you somer all RF and 1/15th of Turbo = completely closed loop for Compacted when making Ionized.

The way I handled it in the example was I had 7 machines at 200% (counts as 14) and the 1 machine at 100% but somered (15 and 16).

So 8 total for the build.

[untold moat]

also before I forget, the other day I think the old 45-81 rule was brought up and the possibility of it changing with some recipe rebalances (the only major ones im aware of is nuclear along with some new alts), was it ever determined that it changed much at all?

[shy temple]

I tend to do hunts in batches. Particularly while stuff produces. Is only thing I can do. I collect and scan a batch of hard drives, and then let them all scan to show as much of the pool as I can, rerolling before choosing anything

[uneven path]

Yeah very fair. I just use the "unlock recipes instantly" option and then unlock crash pods when I need to get them out of the way.

[exotic frigate]

I just unlock all alt recipes right off the bat

[uneven path]

Yep, that's how I did it in my first playthrough. I just don't want to deal with it in future playthroughs. I don't need the incentive to explore 🤷‍♂️

[shy temple]

True. It was just a hard drive hunt for me. I do it as a break from the building.

[untold moat]

maybe I should do another playthrough... but how to make it interesting...

[supple canopy]

I mean SOME recipes might not follow that rule (caterium CB or cheap silica on top of my head), if the 45-81 is thrown it would mean ALL recipes change, which is very very unlikely?

[shy temple]

Combined with getting sloop and mercers

[uneven path]

My plan is pretty much to build in a completely different way to how I did before. Use different alts, build in different places etc

[untold moat]

and the pure iron/copper ingots too IIRC, but I just remember it was being discussed the other day, so was curious about the result of the discussion as I don't think I was at the end for it

[untold moat]

I already did runs in basically every biome, underground, and in the air. Now im trying to figure out how I want to continue...

[earnest condor]

The only one jumping out that doesn't conform is Aluminium Rod.

Previous exceptions are still there. But at a glance all the new stuff falls in line.

[exotic frigate]

I turned off enemies and gave myself all alt recipes

I was considering collecting everything too

[earnest condor]

How DARE you play the game to have fun! 😛 💛

[exotic frigate]

Lmao

I just wana build the factory is all

[earnest condor]

Building? In a building game?
Never that... 😉

[uneven path]

I played on retaliate for my whole first playthrough and have zero regrets

[earnest condor]

Next you're going to say you painted things different colors 👀

[shy temple]

Who doesnt?

[earnest condor]

What would reddit think of your actions??

[shy temple]

I mean, classic fixit orange is for those who do not have passion for the puppies and kittens

[exotic frigate]

Not yet. I do love concrete foundation and asphalt with patterns

[polar tapir]

if i die in the void is my stuff gone for ever?

[exotic frigate]

It should be in a box, right?

[earnest condor]

"do not have passion for"

I'll just leave this here:
Yes, these are all of the voiceline prompts when killing the real enemy of Satisfactory.

• Stop.
• Bad human.
• Is murdering harmless animals your latest hobby?
• Are you going to put that in your CV?
• Rude.
• How human of you.
• You monster.
• That was extremely unnecessary.
• Sending footage to FICSIT psychologists.
• Perhaps you do not care about kittens and/or puppies after all.
• There is no reward, only guilt.
• You psychopath.
• Congratulations, you are now classified as a bad person.
• FICSIT just called to let you know they've found a litter of baby lizard doggos. They're wondering if you've seen their mother?

[white dawn]

The game intends to spawn your death crate on the last bit of solid ground you were standing on, though sometimes the spawn doesn't work quite right. If it did get screwy, it's possible you could still get to the crate using foundations/ladders/catwalks/whatever

[shy temple]

Use spicy nobelisks. Leave no evidence.

[white dawn]

If you're on PC, you can also use SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map) to move your death crate to where your player is, if it ended up somewhere truly unreachable

You can also, in the future, decide to enable the option to keep all inventory on death, if you didn't want to have to worry about finding your death crate at all

[exotic frigate]

This is what I did

[white dawn]

And of course no matter what your platform, there's always the option of loading from a recent autosave from before you died. :) (Assuming you still have autosaves enabled)

[polar tapir]

i load the last autosave

i didnt find the crate

[supple canopy]

hugh wish we could copy/paste freight platform settings

or truck station settings

[exotic frigate]

I just wish we could copy/paste builds

[ebon marten]

you can, they are called blueprints

[earnest condor]

Orangeprints when?

[exotic frigate]

Blueprints cant copy an existing structure, I need to build it again. And It has limited space

[white dawn]

There's mods to address both of those points if that's what you want from your blueprints, btw

The current implementation definitely does force some specific "ways" of blueprint utilization, inline with what CSS envisioned for 'em. Not everyone's a fan, but at least there's mods. :)

[exotic frigate]

Oo ok

[white dawn]

-# (I'm choosing to interpret that as an orangutan "ook" but with a glottal stop in the middle)

[earnest chasm]

Thank god for Somersloops I was about to quit if not for them things mann
wanted to make 30 Nuclear Pasta/m witch requieres 960 Refineries Like what the wellllllllll
Overclock each of them now I only need 480 and add the Sloop to most for them now only need 200 what a relief

[earnest condor]

Interesting...

[exotic frigate]

That is 200 sloops and shards tho

[tame bobcat]

i just finished getting my aluminium ingots, do i make most of them into alclad sheets or aluminium casings?

[exotic frigate]

Actually 400-600 shards, and 800 sloops

[white dawn]

(full sloop doubling in a refinery would be 2x per, not just 1x. And 2x shards for a 200% OC, too)

[spring zephyr]

Half and Half

[earnest chasm]

Theirs only 106 sloop in the game total so unfortuanally i can't add a sloop to each machine and reduce the number of refinery even more

[polar tapir]

whats the best spot to build a coal power plant in the first spawn location?

[earnest condor]

Coal Lake West.

[supple canopy]

aluminum rods into screws

all of it

[white dawn]

Neither: make the ingots and send 'em to a sink. As you develop a need for casings/sheets/whatever, set up that specific export. Over time, the amount of ingots being sunk will shrink and you'll be making exactly as much of each as you need to

[earnest condor]

Aluminium Rebar though 😉

[supple canopy]

wouldn't it pancake against the hogs' shell?

[tired axle]

Can I put a freight platform somewhere on the track or do I have to attach it to a trainstation?

[earnest condor]

Have to attach.

[white dawn]

Has to attach to a station

[rough shore]

how would a freight platofrm without a trainstation work

[spring zephyr]

dumb question but i'm still asking

Does anyone know when 1.2 out?

[earnest condor]

When it is ready.

[rough shore]

probably not today

[spring zephyr]

Good enough for me

[spring zephyr]

Hmm maybe tomorrow????

[rough shore]

meh i doubt it but possible

could be today who knows 🤷‍♂️

[untold moat]

Soon™

[supple canopy]

didn't they announce an EXP patch next week? that would point to no 1.2 on main at least before that patch is out on EXP for some days

[uneven path]

Supposedly the last patch for 1.2 exp is coming out within the next week or so. So we're on the last stretch for it, but that last stretch could last between 1 day and the heat-death of the universe

[exotic frigate]

Theres probably 1 or 2 more patches before it releases, probably alongside a patch

[floral sparrow]

Maybe it came out yesterday. Did anyone check?

[white dawn]

I'm willing to stake $0.05USD on "prior to the expansion of our sun into a red giant"

[uneven path]

source of it being the "final 1.2 exp patch" is Mikael on dev stream earlier

[fluid sapphire]

final final (tm) patch

[exotic frigate]

Coffeestain fails as a studio tomorrow the rights are liquidated, and its never worked on again as a data center fails and the source code abd files are lost

[white dawn]

That's why I'm not putting up $0.10USD!

[exotic frigate]

Lmao its too high a risk to do anything more

[white dawn]

_final_real_v2.docx

[exotic frigate]

Average terraria update

[floral sparrow]

Terraria's Journey's End update trailer came out in June of 2019, about 8 years after the game's release. It has now been 7 years since then and the game is still being updated, lol

[tame bobcat]

brilliant idea, thanks 🙏

[floral sparrow]

Never considered the approach of producing far more than you need immediately and sinking most until you slowly develop a need for more (for any item). Sounds cool

[exotic frigate]

Is there ever a use for aluminum ingots alone besides buildings and other aluminum parts?

I wana know if I should export them, or just the casings and sheets

[whole robin]

Ficonium ingots

[exotic frigate]

I just remembered the wiki exists

[white dawn]

It's not something I do normally but Aluminum in particular seems to really cry out for it, IMO. It's really not much more work to make a big aluminum plant than it is to make a small one, and this way you can still get the usual advantages of avoiding centralization

(I tend to just max out ingot production one or two Bauxite nodes at a time; as my sunk-ingots starts getting too low then it's time to tap another node)

[cold berry]

1.2 stable means mods within months, not a year 🥲 I miss my vanilla+ mods

[whole robin]

What percent of all bauxite nodes on the map are in the red bamboo forest?

[cold berry]

I have decided the vanilla game mechanics are honestly amazing for a first playthrough, amazing sense of discovery, etc-but upon future playthroughs after this 1.2 vanilla run, I am going to be running some vanilla+ mods for ease of a couple mechanics and fun (like cartograph, which is just fun to me to see my factories on the map)

[exotic frigate]

I might make aluminum scrap at the nodes, then bring the scrap to the mega build

[cold berry]

||Even if my vanilla run isn't done before it gets updated I'm adding cartograph honestly||

[white dawn]

If you process the scrap right onsite you can have a nice clean fluid system, though. If you cart it off elsewhere you've got waste to deal with and a high-volume item to transfer (though, yeah, at least it does stack to 500)

[untold moat]

righto, what are some constraints I should do for a new run?

[ornate saffron]

One train hub per biome with both other train stops allowed was fun.

[exotic frigate]

Im thinking of making the bauxite into scrap on site, and transferring that to the main factory by train

Aside from the swamp, bauxite is always close to coal

[ebon marten]

you know coffeestain arent the ones that make the mods right

[ornate saffron]

If you are using base recipes the silica you get from the alum solution is the exact amount you need for ingots. So I suggest making ingots on some then shipping the ingots

[earnest condor]

How is it the exact amount?

[exotic frigate]

Im using the pure recipe so Im not using silica

[ornate saffron]

I mean you need silica to make ingots. If you are using base recipes the silica produced in the alum solution step is the exact amount you need in the ingot step

[earnest condor]

6 Scrap needs 5 Silica
4 Solution = 6 Scrap
4 Solution = 1.666666666 Silica
1.666666 =/= 5

[ornate saffron]

Gotcha

[hollow mountain]

Is there any reason to use biofuel liquid outside of just having more fuel

[exotic frigate]

Its the same as fuel, so youre better off making better fuel. Like turbofuel or rocket fuel

[smoky forge]

there isnt

[hollow mountain]

Someone yesterday told me to keep making biofuel but i cant see why

[smoky forge]

i also dont see why

[exotic frigate]

Youre way better off making regular fuel from oil

[smoky forge]

you nearly never need some for the chainsaw

and besides that everything else has multiple fuel choices

[exotic frigate]

And better ones at that

Turbo fuel is only a little more complex, and is way better

[ornate saffron]

I stand corrected. IDK why i thought that

[white dawn]

Liquid Biofuel is a very handy jetpack fuel to have; could be they meant that. And of course you'll want some Solid Biofuel hanging around for chainsaw usage. Apart from that, though, generally once you've got coal power going you never look back. :)

[mortal ginkgo]

Liquid Biofuel is great to use for Jetpack but that comes later. Your first priority is getting out Phase 1 and get to Coal to automate power

[hollow mountain]

I seee thks

[cold berry]

I know, but stable means that the mods will suddenly be outdated lol and also the code will be stable for modders

[hollow mountain]

Oh im way beyond that. Im thinking about making a oil generator. I think i can power up 2 with 40 fuel minute

[exotic frigate]

Once youve got oil, you liquid fuel needs will forever be met

[hollow mountain]

Yeah i have way too much package oil idk what to do with it

[exotic frigate]

Dedicate a few oil nodes to power. Youll thank me later

[hollow mountain]

I have way more power than im using tho

[exotic frigate]

Even just making heavy oil residue. The left over resin can still be made into plastic abd rubber. But all of those are alt recipes

[hollow mountain]

I dont have the alt receipe i need to explore the world 🙁

[ebon marten]

there are 2 different branches of the game, coffeestain dont bring out updates every week which does mean its up to the modders to update their mods on the main branch, mods will probably very rarely if ever work on experimental considering things change during the development of the next update

[worn oar]

Trucks

[hollow mountain]

Also when is the time to use train?

[cold berry]

I'm just saying for every game I've ever played, going stable is the first sign that modding will happen because the mod devs are more comfortable once it's out of beta lol

[exotic frigate]

When your heart decides

[hollow mountain]

Ok thks

[untold moat]

not before you unlock them though

[mortal ginkgo]

oh get more oil, and some more, then more, MORE AND ALL OF IT

[exotic frigate]

You could belt everything if you really wanted. Belt highways and all that

[uneven path]

General rule of thumb for me: if you're moving stuff between biomes - e.g grassy fields to rocky desert - it's probably worth setting up a train route

[ebon marten]

coffeestain dont need to add mod support, mods already exist. its not official but coffeestain arent doing anything to prevent people from modding their game. why would the devs or even just a small group focus on adding mod support when people can already mod the game. sure the mods dont get updated instantly but thats just normal, some mods havent been updated for a long time but thats got nothing to do with them not adding mod support to the game

[hollow mountain]

Not rocky desert but the oil place east of the map

Can you use turbo fuel before tier 7?

[uneven path]

I was just pulling examples, I don't know what setup you're working with

[exotic frigate]

Turbo fuel is unlocked at tier 5 so yes

[cold berry]

?????? I'm not saying the things you're saying lol. I'm just a casual fan bemusing that 1.2 being pushed may mean that mod devs will feel like they can get cracking at it lol.

[south sinew]

yeah it's rocket fuel you have to wait for if I recall

[cold berry]

Good for the mod devs? I like their work? I've played several already lol

[neat anvil]

15 computers and 22 circuit boards are surely enough for phase 4 and 5 right

[hollow mountain]

For sure

[exotic frigate]

Turbo fuel requires the sulfur research tree progression in the mam

[hollow mountain]

Oh yeah you need sulfure to make turbo.. ok thats a pain

[south sinew]

diluted fuel is the better choice anyway

[exotic frigate]

I think you sacrifice a hard drive to the mam to unlock it

[south sinew]

yes

[ebon marten]

you want the game to have stable code, its pretty stable as it is hense why modders are able to make mods. mods break when the game updates but thats normal. the only way to get a stable code for the game is the devs not releasing updates, which include changing what engine is used or changing the physics engine ect ect which wont happen while the game is still alive and getting updates

[hollow mountain]

Also i already have a full storage of screw/plate/rod should i just rebuild my iron settup entirely to focus on manufacturing?

[exotic frigate]

I personally make a factory dedicated to making building materials, alongside other stuff I need for progression

[cold berry]

I uh. I just meant "stable" as in not getting hot-fix patches at he frequency of a beta or "experimental" branch which is expected and encouraged, as signing up for experimental is a choice I made knowing I'd lose my mods early for a while lol

[empty bridge]

Hi All. Does production stop when you close down the game?

[uneven path]

You're not understanding what they're saying. They're saying that they're happy that 1.2 will be hitting the stable branch Soon ™ because they fully understand mod authors not wanting to update their mods for experimental.

Nowhere at all did they say anything about wanting CoffeeStain to stop updating the game, or for full and official mod support.

[hollow mountain]

Yes

[cold berry]

And I am also only reiterating that I didn't say that coffeestain should add mod support. I'm usually fine with fan mod support. It's often better than Dev interference. If a dev just keeps things chill and stable but adds things modularly like they seem to do, modders can update with relative ease. But they also have lives lol.

[empty bridge]

Thanks @hollow mountain

[ebon marten]

most people dont play on the experimental. bugs can appear on the main branch that dont appear on the experimental branch because there are a lot more people on the main branch compared to the experimental

[hollow mountain]

I dont think the youtuber will add mod support

[placid stirrup]

I opt to leave old factories and move elsewhere if I need a new one for newer items. After a while you'll get the feel for when you might want to repurpose an existing factory, but that happens infrequently for me

[cold berry]

Doi, I meant coffee stain obv (it was "coffeezilla")

Lol goofed

[hollow mountain]

Id need a new normal or pure ore node than

[worn oar]

Coffee Stain EXPOSED (gone wrong, gone corrupt) (not clickbait)

[mortal ginkgo]

Still, no need. Mods are already self-supported enough.

[placid stirrup]

10 years using Discord, you know you can edit messages?

[placid stirrup]

#69 will shock you

[ebon marten]

if you are on a server and theres someone else on that server nope. in singleplayer or if its a world that you host yourself yes

[worn oar]

You can also set up a dedicated server on your own computer for it to continue indefinitely

[exotic frigate]

If you like you can set a smart splitter to prioritize storage and send the output to bonus manufacturing or sinking

[solar elm]

Any guess on when we will get 1.2 on live?

[mortal ginkgo]

3+ months I say

[vernal vortex]

how do i make it so my train goes back and forth? its so confusing

[shy temple]

Okay, so an 'engine' will only move forward for a route. You can have more engines than one on a train. So if you want the train to move the other way, you need an engine facing the other direction as well

You have your stations built, you can go on the train and go into the train settings to create the routes. Note that a train pulls into the station component in the direction the arrow of the station is pointing when you build it.

So the station will be the last thing the lead engine will reach when pulling in

[vernal vortex]

Thank you so much man it finally worked

[shy temple]

great to hear. If on PC, feel free to show your projects on #screenshots too! Always rewarding to share those milestones!

[untold moat]

True that

[vernal vortex]

ill show my 960 aluminum/min once im done there

[wanton sky]

What is the purpose of the input on the Alien power augmenter?

[south sinew]

you can load in an endgame item to increase the effectiveness

[shy temple]

Look forward to it! I tend to build by independency, so rarely get such large outputs myself. For 1.2, I want to do a more modular large scale system where I build modular rooms to connect.

Blueprints for everything!

Want to build a city in the desert, large gleaming glass towers of mass production!

Each tower, a different component

[cold berry]

Gotta make that iron plate factory the tallest tower in the worwold

[shy temple]

Essentially, yeah! Thought it won't be the only tower. As new recipes mean new towers.

I want to come up with a theme for each tower based on phase for how futuristic they look, etc.

[cold berry]

Everyone always doing runs that I wanna do

[shy temple]

Too many different types of run types, fortunately I am essentric....

I have the issue where I like efficient design, but immersive design. So I do independency building as much as I can, but keep it very simple and industrial in how I try to do the visuals.

[violet glen]

Man, everything is so hungry for Alu Casings. I feel like one Mk5 belt won't be enough

[cold berry]

Unfortunately that means that very few of them will get past unlocking phase 4 or 5. But some of them will go all the way. And that's cool.

If you're like me lol

[shy temple]

My style for this play has been doing these domed buildings with a reddish default color

[cold berry]

In these kinda games at least

[shy temple]

True that. Legit, I have played since original early access launch date for this, I have never built anything nuclear

I build big in early phases, then play something else. Then something updates and I forget what I was doing and restart.

Betting I still have my pre piping maps.

Ahh, those were ugly coal power plants looking at my old screenshots

[cold berry]

Challenge yourself to return to a world and play it like it's a scenario in like, Roller coaster Tycoon

I do that and it's pretty fun

[shy temple]

Is hard to realize the subtle improvement on visual experience.

[cold berry]

I used to delete old worlds. Then I realized I can do that lol

If I feel like I'm going to log out for the last time in a while, I leave a note if the game has that. This one does. Haven't done it yet, but I have a couple abandoned worlds I could go back to.

Imagine a name for the scenario! Like "medium large factory made before you knew trains and trucks were so integral and not "for nerds", broken f*ing pipes in your first oil gen"

[shy temple]

HA HA!

I could, but I love fresh starts.

Cause I want to use the new ideas I come up with in the previous one. Especially to do better visuals and immersive experience. But I take a lot of time trying to make things efficient, but more importantly, good looking and working with the terrain.

[worn oar]

Whenever I open this chat I keep confusing the point up with the middle finger emoji

[shy temple]

My current save is only starting phase 4 but over 400 hours. Never used a guide or any calculator tool 🙂

I need to go back and do some visual work in old area. Expand and finish some factories. I need chemical warfare noblisks

[exotic frigate]

I got to ohase 4 in maybe 80-90 hours

[shy temple]

Next play I want to really use blueprints more though vs freehand everything.

Make cool modular setups with catwalks that all interconnect.

[simple pebble]

Yeah, casings be like that. Meanwhile, alclad is barely need

[neat anvil]

While decorating/making stuff efficient?

[violet glen]

I've explicitly opted to make my heat sinks from it, instead of the alternate. So it doesn't feel neglected.

[shy temple]

Well, it can be pretty quick if efficient. I have so much going to sink that could easily have gone to finishing the game.

Factory for every component with excess foing to sink.

[simple pebble]

Honestly not a bad idea

[stone trout]

Hey, I have an issue with my particle accelerator, I can't input 200 copper powder in it, it's stuck at 100 but i want to make nuclear pasta. Does anyone know how to fix it ?

[shy temple]

I just put together a second refinery. I spend a few hours trying to figure out how to make the train stations look nice. Designing these piers for them.

[earnest condor]

Are you on 1.2 Exp?

[stone trout]

Yep

[violet glen]

too small stacks is a known issue on 1.2. Just save, and quit out and reload

[earnest condor]

Then kindly, #satisfactory-experimental 💛

[stone trout]

But it was working ten minutes ago

oh ok

[shy temple]

Ha ha! True that. I love making stuff just to use ingredients. My next play? I want to actually use as many screws as possible. I love watching conveyors full of them blue bins zipping past.

[dusk mirage]

I just made a factory that makes 15 heavy modular frames a minute and now I just want to die.

[shy temple]

OOF! That is a workout

[dusk mirage]

But the truck just phase right trough me, this is an experimental bug, server bug, or just a regular bug?

[neat anvil]

Wow

[earnest condor]

This is Satis? Making factories is LIFE, how want die?

[violet glen]

I just made a factory that makes 5.4 of them, and then slooped it, and called 10 enough lol

[neat anvil]

Logistics

[dusk mirage]

It's for the achievement, watch out was it? get hit by truck.

I want to get isekaid

[earnest condor]

🤔

What is "isekaid"?

[shy temple]

Isekai is a type of anime storytelling

[neat anvil]

Killed by truck kun

[shy temple]

It is where you get pulled into another world, typically fantasy

[dusk mirage]

Getting hit by a truck so hard you end up reincarnating in another universe

[earnest condor]

Ah.

[frigid narwhal]

New to the game and to the group. I just have to say this game has completely hijacked my brain. Every day I wake up, and think about building and optimizing factories.

I don’t feel like I’ve ever played a game that has me this enthralled. Side note: there’s plenty of games where I am confused by a lot of the mechanics and I still love them, but this doesn’t have any of that. What it does have is the ability to make me confuse myself because of my own builds 🤣

[neat anvil]

The factory has claimed a victim

[shy temple]

Welcome to the game tex! I love satisfactory as well

[neat anvil]

Welcome home

[shy temple]

One of my favorite parts is the progression system how you can use new tech to make older components a different way

As you learn new stuff, you can apply it to new build areas. I love having what I call old town where my original stuff still runs.

[dusk mirage]

the endless cycle of construction, destruction, and reconstruction

[shy temple]

The progression system keeps the game fresh as you play through and stops repetition that can be chronic to other games.

[exotic frigate]

Well i didnt decorate too much. And I plan my factories out in advance, and theyd be these big things that make like a dozens of normal products and a handful of major ones at a time. Essentially all the phase 3 parts are in one building, and all phase 1-2 parts are in their own building

[frigid narwhal]

Thank y’all for the warm welcome lol

[neat anvil]

If you are confused now, 100 hours later you would be happy to work on what you thought used to be confusing

[shy temple]

Be sure to share screenshots and ask if you have any questions. And most importantly, play the way you want too! There is no wrong way.

[dusk mirage]

When I get mods working, I'm filling my friends room with snus boxes slowly till he figures out whats going on.

[exotic frigate]

Ill make a building for aluminum with a bunch of scrap satellites, a building for all the computerized parts (ai limiters, radio control units, super computers, etc.), and a final building for all the phase 4 parts

[dusk mirage]

That counts as decorating, right?

[neat anvil]

Good to know, I hear people say these low times and I feel weird with 300+ during phase 4 but I just struggle with planning and other stuff

But I’m making progress now a lot faster

[exotic frigate]

I use factoriolab

[dusk mirage]

||Good thing there's no phase5, right?||

[neat anvil]

👀

[neat anvil]

It’s 10 times worse

[shy temple]

I cannot wait for 5 and making my nuclear wasteland.

I need to build a mask factory...

[neat anvil]

Same

[dusk mirage]

I fear phase 5 because I've seen phase 5, and my server is set to require 25 times the normal amount for each phase.

[shy temple]

I still wish there was nuclear shielding though. Just so I can better integrate my nuclear plant

[neat anvil]

Nuclear pasta fina be a nightmare

[exotic frigate]

Im just focused on progressing. Beautifying can come later

[shy temple]

I don't want a big ommission zone that I cannot visually enjoy and take train trips through.

[dusk mirage]

I calculated it would take about 3 months with 1 machine going at 100% speed

[coarse shadow]

Can maybe someone help me?
So there is a Path Signal that doesn't turn green, there is not a single train in the Train Station..

[dusk mirage]

path signal only turn green when an automated train sends a request to use them

They're all ok if they're not blinking yellow

[neat anvil]

Il try this later thanks

[dusk mirage]

You can also check the signal itself to see what kind of error it has.

Those help sometimes

[shy temple]

When I first used them, that threw me off how path signals stay red until something reserves the route

[coarse shadow]

It is fixed now but there was one automated train that said "Signal Problem" while every signal was fine

[shy temple]

I hate deducing those some times. Worst is if something is bugged and need to delete and rebuild

[dusk mirage]

Train pathing issues are just part of the game. Some mods can ease the pain.

[shy temple]

Simplicity and organization I found is key. My first main line on this map I wanted to have three lanes. outside monodirectional with a shared mid line.

It just confused things too much at times and caused bugs. Two line is fine.

[dusk mirage]

the time you save by making just one lane is paid back in headaches of trying to figure out the issues it causes.

[shy temple]

Exactly. If only one train? One line. I have double lane for multiple trains running.

[elder oracle]

I just figured out how trains work recently and I played during early access

[dusk mirage]

my absolute gem of a friend made a system with 7 trains, 10 stations and 3 to 1 to 2 to 4 to 2 to 5 lanes.

[elder oracle]

[dusk mirage]

My friend is a brave man for making a train system like that on my server, fully knowing that I live within walking distance.

[ebon marten]

when you need massive amounts of resources all over the map youll thank them and build more trains to increase throughput and output

[shy temple]

Why walk when machines can move you

[ebon marten]

i think they meant walking distance to their friend

[dusk mirage]

I rebuilt that system into some sort of orderly train system that can handle expanding it days ago

[leaden turret]

[wall-e chair dot gif]

[dusk mirage]

They say that you can't force your co op partner into anything on the server, I on the other can as I arrive to their house with enough 'motivation' and 'ideas' to last for a long time.

[neat anvil]

WE love trains

[shy temple]

I currently have three trains, but plan more. My main station has four terminals, with two of them being subdivided into stops

So main station should have an eight train capacity.

[ebon marten]

every time someone says trains i always think about the asdf movie bit "i like trains" * gets ran over by a train*

[dusk mirage]

Do make at least a mental note that while the trains aren't made with AI limiters, their AI is quite limited.

That was fast.

[leaden turret]

if magic was real, discord would have a spell to punch spammers in the face whenever they posted spam invite links

[shy temple]

I am pretty good with rail systems. I am a bit of a train game fan.

[dusk mirage]

why fight the spam as that leads to more bans and then people need new accounts to buy nitro on, again and again ...

[shy temple]

I can push systems pretty hard in games. My favorite was my taxi system I do in factorio

Essentially I have a mini train yard where there is only one engine per stop. Get in train, train auto leaves then to programmed station. When it arrives in station, the engine there goes to where I left.

[dusk mirage]

Yeah, satisfactory train don't work like factorio ones do. there is no dynamic routing in satisfactory.

[shy temple]

Nope, and less logic circuits. Though fortunately satisfactory doesnt need that complex logic novelty.

[leaden turret]

the dynamic routing in satisfactory is #1201555265942724758

[shy temple]

I mean it could make things more fine tunable. But I have a plan for a different taxi setup in this one. And I can just hop onto any existing train.

[dusk mirage]

I'm not going to repeat myself on my point, one could gather all my ramblings on this server into a thesis on "why satisfactory needs dynamic train routing", but that i would not recomend.

[shy temple]

Nope, it be good as is. My one frustration was vehicle routing issues, and that is being fixed.

I plan so I can just tell it what station to go to next and what to do. It finds route and all is well.

[dusk mirage]

To distill my point into a single sentence: "The train routing is good, but it's not satisfactory.".

[shy temple]

Howso? What would you like to improve?

[dusk mirage]

dynamic route checks on stuck trains, least 2 or 3 hops from stop position

would enable many new fancy options for larger systems, and so forth ...

[surreal ingot]

I'm trying to use the satisfactory tools website to calculate my starting setup and i can't seem to get it to do everything at normal 1x power (pre slugs) anyone know how to get it to default to 1x?

[leaden turret]

for dynamic train routing to work, autopilot would need to be able to reverse:

1. build long track, train takes long route
2. build shortcut, train detours to short route
3. accidentally delete segment of shortcut while train is part way through
4. train brok

[shy temple]

Oh, yeah, train taking routes you dont want it to take?

[exotic frigate]

If they arent made with ai limiters... wouldnt that mean nothing is limiting their ai?...

[dusk mirage]

Make this system work. #screenshots message

[leaden turret]

you'd also need some snap-on for restricting access:

1. build train to nuclear waste dump
2. accidentally build shortcut
3. everyone periodically dies at spawn when afk because nuclear waste train

[shy temple]

I can see that being an issue. It almost messed up my system with my asymmetrical push pull system.

[exotic frigate]

Factorio seems to do pretty fine with train pathing

[shy temple]

I went to tweak my trainyard, and suddenly one train turned around to go around the map to come in the station the other way.

[leaden turret]

factorio can't build up

[neat anvil]

So trains don’t see each other, if I have a 2 way rail system that branches in and out of the main rail isn’t there a chance trains will collide when entering the main rail again?

[shy temple]

BUt that would have then had stuff unload backwards.

Trains work jack by signals

[exotic frigate]

1, elevated rails. 2. The path logic should work the same regardless of 2.5 or 3 dimensions

[leaden turret]

2d node graphs harder to make a mess of than 3d node graphs

[cursive topaz]

I have realized that this game is so good, that mods only really make qol improvements, you can’t really add stuff to this game

[leaden turret]

there's a mod that adds farming, and another that adds more complex power generation

[shy temple]

The key is path nodes Jack. What happens in a path signal block, is the train reserves its path.

[cursive topaz]

Farming could be cool

Is there a thread for modding?

[dusk mirage]

there's a whole server

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> reminder that farming is why we wanna know whether the lizard doggo has a butthole or cloaca, so we'd know if lizard doggos could produce fertiliser

[raven axle]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @leaden turret

[shy temple]

with a block signal, it just keeps a train from entering if any other one is.

[supple canopy]

if by "more complex" you're refering that mod that makes it possible to spam wind turbines and solar panels 😭

[cursive topaz]

I just need a how to cus I’m not playing the game on supported hardware, Mac to be specific

[leaden turret]

I'm referring to the modular power one

[supple canopy]

fun fact: stingers have a belly button, implying they are viviparous

[shy temple]

Or it is for another thing

[leaden turret]

how do you know that's a belly button and not a butthole/cloaca for poopin out pioneers ?

[shy temple]

Or maybe its nose

[supple canopy]

excellent point?

[dusk mirage]

Just download the mod manager, you can find it on google and it's quite easy to use. just don't expect it to work on experimental, thats borked for the moment.

[shy temple]

I really want nuclear shielded conveyors and transports.

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> do stingers have boogers?

[shy temple]

And containers. Spend and have expensive constructions so that one can enjoy their 'green space' more.

[dusk mirage]

I was under the impression that either would work?

[leaden turret]

well if it has neither, then it means no lizard doggo fertiliser

[shy temple]

I do like satisfactory trains, so long as not doing anything too fancy.

[leaden turret]

also if we take birds as a model, cloaca would mean you'd have to package the fertiliser to ship it via belts

[dusk mirage]

They're not moomins, they have to have one.

[dusk mirage]

not if you use a car

[leaden turret]

what does a car have to do with implying that lizard doggo poop would be a fluid?

[neat anvil]

If they did add solar/wind power what could possibly be done to make it cost something

[leaden turret]

they wouldn't because free power is antithetical to the game design

[shy temple]

Random more on topic question. Who else uses factory carts to move low quantity components around.

[leaden turret]

-# lizard doggo poop is not on-topic? 😛

[shy temple]

I love using them to deliver station components. I want to use them a lot more in next play.

[dusk mirage]

park a cyber wagon for a few hours and you will see how some fertilizers raw material can be in sold form even when produced from a cloaca.

[neat anvil]

I know, but I would think it could cost oil or something or the turbine would stop spinning

[trim hearth]

Hey I recently upgraded to a newer pc, (5080 and 4k monitors) and I don’t know if I just didn’t notice it before but some of the textures (especially buildable floors) are really low res,this is intended for optimization im assuming? Or is there some setting I’m neglecting

[leaden turret]

molten solar would require water

[shy temple]

I guess it depends on what is low res to you. Some textures and models are older, particularly the foundations.

but nothing I would say really low res.

[dusk mirage]

You're not on experimental?

That can do some wonky stuff to textures.

[exotic frigate]

I want recipes for sloops and spheres

[shy temple]

Made from fisk waste

[hollow mountain]

im looking how to make adaptive control unit in satisfactory tool and i want to cry

[earnest condor]

Well that's simple 😉
Build Manufacturer.
Attach 4 ISCs.
Fill them with the needed amount of AutoWire, CBs, HMFs, and Comps.

Let run.
No tears 💛

[unkempt blade]

You'll be fine. Duke Silver doesn't cry. He just plays smooth jazz that all the ladies love

[hollow mountain]

but for that i need to the mat

[fluid sapphire]

whats so bad about them? just produce all the precursors and wire it together

[hollow mountain]

too big for my little brain

[shy temple]

But tears mean mega factories. And megafactories are so satisfactory

[earnest condor]

If you're at the point of needing ACUs, I would assume you have HMFs, Comps, CBs, Cable, and Stators automated, no?

[shy temple]

Mine even has tractors delivering raw goods. Plastic, rubber and coal!

[fluid sapphire]

one baby step at a time, tackle each intermediate on its own

if needed break those down further

just break big step into small steps

[hollow mountain]

i dont understand accronim but i got some of them automated

[earnest condor]

Oh the math, not mat.
Um.. how many ACU's in total do you need for the current Phase? @hollow mountain

Adaptive Control Units

[shy temple]

What insane says. I am being silly cause I like to suffer in factory games. Like Sev said, you probably have a factory with a container full of things to be able to complete them.

[hollow mountain]

100

[hollow mountain]

i meant material

[unkempt blade]

in all serious though if he already wants to cry why not just take it to a megafactory place because it can't make it worse... right?

[shy temple]

Nope! So long as you don't bring copper wire into both inputs for your motor stators

[hollow mountain]

the probably is i need to find a spot with oil iron lime coal and copper thats a lot

[earnest condor]

Ok so container 1 needs 100 Heavy Modular Frames (no need to do any logistics, just go pull this from storage).
Container 2 needs 200 Computers (same thing).
Container 3 needs 500 Circuit Boards (same thing).

500 Autowire is just 500 Stator + 10,000 Cable.
So next to this Manufacturer, build 1 Assembler, hook up 3 ISCs. Fill 1 with 500 Stators (pulled and walked over) and fill the other 2 with 10k Cable.

Let system run until complete. No headaches, no crying, no crazy. Simple.

[unkempt blade]

those are all pretty common. You should be able to find them mostly close to each other

[shy temple]

Or have a passing tractor pick up your motors and then dump them into your plastic line.

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need all of that in the same place

[earnest condor]

You don't need to automate Project Parts at all 🤷‍♂️

[hollow mountain]

thats sound way more simple. whats isc?

advance storage?

[earnest condor]

Industrial Storage Container

[hollow mountain]

yeah thats what i meant i just dont know english

[shy temple]

Yeah, project parts at most might be a component in next project part. So if you have stockpile of base components in container, just load what you require into an input crate vs making everything.

[earnest condor]

@hollow mountain in 8 years of playing, I have never automated Project Parts because they are finite in need and it is far simpler to just put things in container and let machine run than try to logistics out how to automate them. 🤷‍♂️

[shy temple]

They are great for getting sweet sweet tickets though, and just the satisfaction of doing it.

[earnest condor]

When you get into somering, you can cut their required materials by up to 16x based on which phase you're in.

[hollow mountain]

yeah thats a good idea sound like wasted energy

[shy temple]

Main thing is to have fun, and if you find making everything in one component too much, break it up into smaller components and bring them in.

It is a type of play Duke more than anything to do how I do it. It is for the challenge and enjoying the system.

[frozen ingot]

but if you do automate project parts.. points! 😆

[hollow mountain]

oh one thing... making a coal power plant next to oil rig is useless right?

[shy temple]

Some like to make mega factories, other like to do interconnected.

[hollow mountain]

like i should just use oil for power?

[frozen ingot]

oil is great for power

[shy temple]

A coal by oil isnt necessarily bad.

[frozen ingot]

no need to take down coal power plants afterwards though, unless you need the coal for something else

[shy temple]

I recommend having a seperate power plant that gets the core operating so that if something shuts down or runs low, you dont have a difficult time restarting everything.

[fluid sapphire]

thats what power storage is for

[hollow mountain]

i mean if i take it down i have more space for oil things

[fluid sapphire]

build vertically my guy

[hollow mountain]

with pomp? 😢

[fluid sapphire]

pomp?

[hollow mountain]

for oil you need pomp

pinepline**

[fluid sapphire]

whatever it takes

[frozen ingot]

powerbackup

the Grid must Run

[hollow mountain]

i guess ill get the pipeline mk.2

[shy temple]

And when it is out then same challenge again. That is the issue, running a deficit, and off somewhere else and it is all drained.

[frozen ingot]

throughput is everything 😄

[shy temple]

Capacitors are more for if you have power peaks or intermittent like with geothermal.

[fluid sapphire]

if you are really that bad at managing your power overhead you charge some up, and disconnect it from the grid, the principle remains the same

[shy temple]

Example is my upgraded refinery I have one oil reserve powered by geothermal, and that one oil deposit is making plastic and rubber and residual to make fuel to power a secondary power plant setup that ties into priority splitter to start onlining the larger turbofuel plant.

Which then allows it to prime in steps.

Is a reason the fuse blown sound is a meme XD

[hollow mountain]

wait guys what is the 2 alternate recipe that give you insane power with so little oil?

[shy temple]

I build my factories on power switch so I can see maximum draw before tying it in, but never know if something might be more deficit and then it is hard to restart it if it is a huge grid and then need to start cutting off things to get online.

[fluid sapphire]

its real simple, just look at your overhead and never go above it

[shy temple]

diluted fuel and the heavy oil residue one and iirc the blender for the turbo fuel.

well, the trouble can be if something causes an overhead drop is all I mean.

mistakes happen, so having a restart system in case is beneficial.

[fluid sapphire]

power storage is still the best tool for that job

[hollow mountain]

whats the point of power storage if my power is active 24/7

[fluid sapphire]

if you fuck up and dont notice, it can save your ass

[shy temple]

Yup, but again, if your power grid is having an issue, that buys time to notice it is all.

Just mean that the backup is not a bad thing to have, especially if not a player who tracks everything with tools and spreadsheets.

[hollow mountain]

i guess thats fair

[earnest condor]

Genuinely? Decoration.

[shy temple]

Duke, in case of power spikes or if you are doing work and temporary disconnects, material issues. It is like a safety net.

An example is if you do trains early on too as train draws different rates.

[fluid sapphire]

if you plan properly, yes

[shy temple]

Geothermal you want them for the power varying rate.

[earnest condor]

If you build power properly it has 2 uses @hollow mountain

1. Decoration.
2. Storing to jumpstart new power systems you want to bring online.

[shy temple]

The more calculated and planned your system, the less they have a value. The jumpstart is very valuable late game.

[earnest condor]

Like during progression. If you have 3.6 GW of coal and you start to max that out when you get to fuel.
Build some storages and let them charge while you build the fuel plant.
Then the charge from the storages can jumpstart the fuel plant for you.

[hollow mountain]

omg true

[earnest condor]

We seem to have very similar approaches on how to play the game 😁

[shy temple]

Is how I started up my refinery I mentioned above. I used a geothermal to charge power to get the primary source going with the priority switched auto onlining the rest. That way it is future proofed if for some reason I run a deficit like with the coal for turbofuel or something contaminates line. Notably like an issue with truck routing missed.

Sigh my turbofuel refinery getting all the refineries jammed on the coal inputs.

Fortunately I spotted that in time when power plants started shutting down.

But your example was very good. Not enough fuel getting in.

[worn oar]

Is 6-7 heavy modular frames enough?

[earnest condor]

Define "enough"?

[worn oar]

For it to not be the bottleneck

[fluid sapphire]

you could easily beat the game with those

[earnest condor]

The bottleneck for...?

[worn oar]

Building things?

Running machines?

[cold berry]

Oh shit I had 12/minute on my last world

I wanted to say "so I have 12 modular frames" and then not specify whether I meant "12" or "12/minute"

[shy temple]

I dont think many add the per minute :0

[earnest condor]

Building? Sure.
Running machines? There is no way any of us can answer that without knowing what your end game production goals are and which recipes you plan to use for them 🤷‍♂️

[worn oar]

I'm just lazy and don't want to source my iron from more than one area

Or build something that's too big to fit into the terrain

Goal is to finish the game, recipes mostly default

[shy temple]

Then you can make do with less as what matters is collecting enough. So fewer just means it might take longer.

Build to a container, and then when you need something, see how many you need, grab from container and load in

[frozen ingot]

can't believe i haven't made any mk1 blueprints yet

apart from a concrete floor and a concrete module thing

😆

[long sparrow]

Is there a mod or something I could use for "Infinite" parts? For the purpose of starting a clean slate and building something without having to worry about production, power etc. A builders playground so to speak

[worn oar]

Advanced settings has all of those and more

[leaden ruin]

There is a "No Build Cost" advanced game setting. "No Power". "No Unlock" etc https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Advanced_Game_Settings#List_of_AGS.

[long sparrow]

Beautiful! Trying to build a mega supermarket!

[worn oar]

Oh also use fly mode or a hoverpack mod, it's huge QOL for just building

[long sparrow]

Yes! Thank you. I am new to the game so trying ideas etc so when I do stream and make some sort of content, I havnt got an absolute mess!

[dense violet]

if you demolish everything you get all your parts back
and just keep storages of stuff

[dense violet]

also there's in game cheats that do that
but I highly recommend you stay away from both until you've gone through the tiers, it's basically a tutorial

[shy temple]

If you want to avoid a mess, what I recommend is make use of space. There is plenty of map and it is relatively easy to move stuff around plus you got vertical.

@atomic seal Is a tough one. Stitched plate can be nice early on, especially if can combo with other things to cut down on iron usage or eliminating the need for lots of screws.

I recommend not rerolling right away as that puts those back into the pool. Ones you dont like, just keep in your list as you get more hard drive else you risk repeats in the future.

Purely my opinion, but I like to gather up hard drives in the area as I do a phase, then I roll them at the end of the phase and use ones if interesting so I have them for when I am doing more complex parts next phase.

[atomic seal]

Thanks for the help! I'll keep a hold of it for now, I need to upgrade my base to a different location

(Like 30 hrs in and still on phase 2 eek)

[worldly moss]

All you had to do was pay us a livable wage all you had to do was pay us a livable wage

Is going to be players in a few years

[hollow mountain]

guys if i have a oil extractor with 240 m2/m and use it at maximum are my machine gonna shut down? i heard liquid has a weird physic

[dense violet]

If you don't use all 240 fluid it'll stutter

but that's true of any material you over make

[shy temple]

In really big systems if not primed, the machines at the end can rarely stop and start the machines at the end with them not getting enough resource

[violet glen]

Is it stupid to make a recycled rubber/plastic setup that just purely feeds the two into each other, and for startup relies on me putting in some initial plastic and/or rubber by hand?

[hollow mountain]

ok i see thks

[shy temple]

If you give a bit of a buffer and fill the line before turning it on, it should be fine

[reef basin]

yeah why not

[hollow mountain]

bit a buffer in oil?

[dense violet]

Personally I would create 2 distinct factories. One that the end product is plastic, the other, rubber

[reef basin]

you only need 6 plastic/rubber to start it

[dense violet]

do not build a fluid buffer for the oil

[shy temple]

oro, I have seen that before as a system to reduce total resource input.

you will want to be sure you have priority splitters so you can ensure that the other side doesnt get shorted.

[violet glen]

yeah, they'd go back into each other first, and only overflow is useful product

[shy temple]

It is a sort of minmax process, you are trading electricity and space for material efficiency essentially. You get more for the resource input into the system, but then are powering the system.

[plucky bone]

O yea! 3/4 parts for phase 5 are almost done. Wow what a cool tier after dealing with T4.

[violet glen]

The usual setup I see has one residual rubber to jumpstart the whole thing