satisfactory

[earnest condor]

Need TPRs?
Need half as many because somers.
TPRs need Modular Engine?
Need a quarter as many because you already halved it from TPRs.
Engines need Smart Plating?
Need 1/8th as many because you already quartered Engines.

[quartz cypress]

parts for wha?

[karmic berry]

Are supercomputers meant to stack to 100?

[worn oar]

Paradoxically somersloops also save power.

[floral sparrow]

I wonder how long it would theoretically take to beat the game using only manual crafting (when possible)

[next ivy]

the elevator

[quartz cypress]

oh like every phase

[wise junco]

Oh I'm sure it would be brutal

[karmic berry]

If they are, then why are only a few stacking to it?

[earnest condor]

Are you on Exp 1.2?

[next ivy]

if each stage of the elevator needed the previous stages parts, even in somewhat small amounts, it would bring more people to fully automate everything

[karmic berry]

Yes

[earnest condor]

So... -> #satisfactory-experimental ?

[karmic berry]

mb, thought i could ask questions here

[wise junco]

I don't think most of us are on experimental

[next ivy]

i mean you can, but we wouldnt know the answer

[quartz cypress]

true i was lowkey expecting it to be like that because phase 2 does use phase 1 parts but ig that's mostly it

[wise junco]

(In this chat)

[karmic berry]

I heard about the buff to liquid transport and thought i should try it out

[earnest condor]

If Phases required continual input to actually access milestones.. it would encourage automation at least until launch.

[wise junco]

You'll find they pop in and out but it's not super predictable

[earnest condor]

I am, but I keep 1.2 specific stuff out of my replies in here.

[wise junco]

I thought this would be very cool. A per min requirement

[next ivy]

like a 20 parts per minute deal, for at least 10 minutes or something like that
but even that can be cheated with chests

[earnest condor]

Yeah, or people would just have it flow, unlock a milestone, then cut flow until the freighter returned.

Always a workaround.

[next ivy]

sadly

[wise junco]

For sure

[earnest condor]

@karmic berry if you want to ask over in the correct channel I can answer the question 😭

[karmic berry]

Alright

[faint willow]

can anyone provide a link to the website for the mods? think its time i took a dive into that stuff

[earnest condor]

That would be a question for the modding discord afaik.

[feral vector]

seems like not automating space elevator parts is a problem that just stacks on itself cause you always want more of them for other stuff later

[dense violet]

if you hand feed containers for them it works out ok

[feral vector]

I guess you can stockpile enough to keep container feeding them

[feral vector]

yeah but you need the previous ones to container feed the next tier

[earnest condor]

They are finite in total need.
Make the total amount and you never need them again.

Not sure how that is a problem 🤔

[feral vector]

hmm yeah if I just looked on the wiki how many of everything I needed I could container feed till I had enough then stop

[earnest condor]

Also remember you cut costs by up to 16x by somering.

[dense violet]

that's fine, you make it a chain

[earnest condor]

Chain?

[feral vector]

hmm maybe I'll end up being lazy and not automating phase 4 either

should probably start container feeding stuff soon

[earnest condor]

I uh.. don't automate anything in phase 5 besides trigons and time crystals (because belt material).

Everything more advanced than a turbo motor I just... buy from the shop 😂

[daring sail]

Is there a way to view the objective object names at the top right of the screen? When I'm working on an objective and I see that I need 200 of something, it would be really nice to the name of that thing so I can search components. I know I can make a todo list but this is different. LMK if this should be in questions/help

[cursive topaz]

finnally phase 2 is over

[earnest condor]

Milestones or Project Parts?

[daring sail]

Milestones, like the space elevator

[earnest condor]

Milestones are the opposite of the space elevator.

Milestones are for the HUB.
Project Parts are for the space elevator.

And you can see the names by interacting with the space elevator.

[daring sail]

Right! I got confused between the two. thanks.

I know I can see the names on the space elevator, but if I'm off to some other part of the world I don't wanna have to get all the way back to the elevator to find the names!

[earnest condor]

Wiki is your remote option.
After you beat the game a couple times you will just kind of passively memorize the names for all the parts and their symbols.

[daring sail]

My thinking if that if I can see the graphic of what I need to produce, I should also be able to find the name without having to fly back.

I guess I just need to log more hours, then.

[earnest condor]

Although, if you press O for Open the Codex and type in "project parts" -- what happens?

(I have one other idea)

[daring sail]

will have to report back tomorrow - need to sleep

[daring sail]

post here and I will check this one too. 🙂

[earnest condor]

If that shows nothing, type in Space Elevator and see if that page lists the parts.

[willow laurel]

Me when i just make a single part building machine of each space elevator requirement on poor and regular quality nodes and just afk for hours for the space elevator to fill up

[runic path]

havent played the game in a while is 1.2 good too play or too many bugs i wanna start a long term world

[earnest condor]

I force myself to not afk. Keeps the game more engaging to me.

So what I do is I load the containers, and it takes about an hour for the slower parts to actually build even at 250% clock. During that time I do a lap around the map collecting slugs, mercers, somers, and HDDs to research more alts when I get to the next phase.

[earnest condor]

1.2 is good, but better to discuss in #satisfactory-experimental

[runic path]

ahh sorry thank you

[rigid wedge]

can i color the lines somehow independently from the foundation i place them on?

[worn oar]

@cursive topaz hey mac user no one else can view those

[cursive topaz]

Yea I realized that after I put them up

It’s a little late for my point I have already made improvements

[cursive crane]

If you press o or n you can search parts there.

Also its in the hub, which as long as you dont have hooked up for power or anything stored in the chest, you can move anywhere

[worn oar]

If you fed every single piece of coal on the entire map and convert max to coal generators it's only 364.5 GW. That's a lot less than I expected.

[earnest condor]

What happens if you make it all Compacted? 🤔

[worn oar]

Compacted coal doesn't work on satisfactory tools, even at 1/min

[placid stirrup]

I almost just sent the most cursed pocket dial message ever

[fiery root]

How many is that in numbers?

[small crypt]

secondary color is lines/patterns

[worn oar]

72,900

[rigid wedge]

meh

[void cliff]

That’s probably using mark 3 miners and higher belts. It’s much less in phase 2

[worn oar]

No shit

[hard wolf]

what are everyone's thoughts on overspecing belts? I like using the right belt for the job, but I'm realizing that items getting from point a to b faster is really good

[small crypt]

theyre all free just use max belt you have

dont overcomplicate it

[worn oar]

I leave old stuff as a museum

It had a purpose once, and if I need more out of it I will take the extra ore from the miner that could once only give 60/min and make a new factory elsewhere.

[rigid wedge]

im using the one that i think looks the coolest

unless i want to limit speed

[worn oar]

2.5/min modular frames might not be great now, but it carried me through tier 3

[earnest condor]

Personally? I always use highest available for inputs and lowest needed for final outputs.

Or, if going for looks, anything that is less than 270 gets a mk3 no matter what and anything above that gets a mk6.
I like my belts lean, not bulky.

[worn oar]

But Mk4 is the best-looking belt?

[small crypt]

i honestly couldnt tell you what a belt looks like

[earnest condor]

Mk4 is probably my most-used until I get the mk6, but I don't like the chonk factor when I like to do things like running belts very close over the top of buildings.

[small crypt]

i used mk4 as little as possible and rushed mk5

because mk5 were super free and my encased beam production was dookie

[hard wolf]

I like using belt type to organize outputs from miners. mk1 is 60/m, mk2 is 120, mk3 is 240, etc. (I don't have mk3 miners yet), but I think I'm definitely going to use mk5 for the whole aluminum factory

[small crypt]

300 600 1200

[hard wolf]

I also just got a basic aluminum factory running built off of the side of the factory so I could even make mk5 belts x.x

[small crypt]

or normal nodes would be 150 300 600

[hard wolf]

right now I'm using mk1 for impure, mk2 for normal, and mk3 for pure (unless I'm overclocking, but I'm trying to save the slugs)

[earnest condor]

Overclock everything 😄

[small crypt]

i didnt really overclock any miners til i got mk5 logistics

[earnest condor]

Have you research somersloops yet?

[hard wolf]

yes. I used them in my phase 3 factory

[earnest condor]

Doubling all powershards per slug is de wae.

With somers I believe there is like 3.2k power shards just from slugs before you ever need to manufacture synthetic ones.

[small crypt]

i only ever used like 1k power shards and they were all on miners and generators

and ofc the silly max overclocked somerslooped space elevator one off type shit

[hard wolf]

I'm already doing that :3 the first two not so much because I didn't know that the first item you make in a constructor isn't affected by sloops

[earnest condor]

I can use 1k power shards in like.. 2-3 builds.

[small crypt]

yeah gotta prime it

sounds like youre not building enough machine

[earnest condor]

I OC everything to drop machine count.

[small crypt]

machines are free, so i never really overclocked anything

[hard wolf]

me after unlocking synthetic power shards

[small crypt]

blueprints can put down 100 machines a minute

[earnest condor]

Shards are infinite, so I never really left anything unclocked 🤷‍♂️

[small crypt]

i did underclock a lot of things to keep symmetry

[hard wolf]

doesn't overclocking increase power draw exponentially, though? that's not a huge issue because I'll probably be able to set up nuclear power by then, but still

[small crypt]

yeah but power is also infinite

[hard wolf]

same xwx 53 constructors? no >.<

[earnest condor]

I have a catchphrase that everyone who knows me in this server can attest to:

"If power is a factor in your decision-making, you're building power wrong."

I've said it so many times that if I type "if power" on my phone it auto-completes the rest of it 😄

[small crypt]

same but with literally anything

this game any game if something ever feels scarce, make it not feel scarce

[hard wolf]

I maxed out the crater lake with turbofuel as soon as I unlocked it and have 4 floors of generators. I'm hoping to not have to build another plant until nuclear, but I don't want to set that up until I can shard everything and maybe have mk6 belts

[earnest condor]

Turbofuel? Where my coal gens go?
What is this heresy? 😏

[small crypt]

i never consumed over 30k mw the entire game

turbo fuel is shit, 300 raw oil makes 72k mw with rocket fuel

[earnest condor]

250% clock + somer'd Particle Accelerator takes 20 GW all by itself 😭

[hard wolf]

I have those too, as well as petroleum coke generators being fed by my plubber factory ^-^

[placid stirrup]

PLUBBER

[earnest condor]

What is plubber?

[magic sinew]

i just got the floor is lava achievement after ziplining for 2 minutes

[earnest condor]

I miss when ziplines weren't capped on speed 😭

[hard wolf]

a portmanteau of plastic and rubber

[earnest condor]

There are so many letters in that word 😭

[hard wolf]

it's a word that can mean mushing two words together to make another

[rigid wedge]

german language in a nutshell

[earnest condor]

So it is like how "abbreviation" is insanely long while meaning to make something shorter? 😄

[hard wolf]

basically

[earnest condor]

Ok but why don't sheep shrink in the rain? 😏

[hard wolf]

because their wool aborbs water and expands as a result

[earnest condor]

Moreso because they are the shrunk version already. We stretch the wool to make fabric, which is why it shrinks 🙂

[chrome bear]

is there a way to filter items off a single belt? like if I had a belt with rods and plates could I sort them automatically

[earnest condor]

MAM, Caterium Tree, Smart Splitter.

[small crypt]

dont sushi belt

[chrome bear]

ah thanks alot

[earnest condor]

DO sushi belts.

[chrome bear]

trains are too hard

[earnest condor]

And if you have any issues with sushi belts feel free to ask me.

[small crypt]

what does it have to do with trains

[surreal meteor]

Overlap two belts, one per item type

[earnest condor]

Properly built sushi manifolds are incapable of clogging or failing.

[chrome bear]

sounds like alot of work

[earnest condor]

Put both items on the same belt. Keep it simple.

[small crypt]

#screenshots message

this almost across the entire map

dont overcomplicate things by sushi belting

[earnest condor]

Sushi is simplifying, not complicating.

[small crypt]

me when i lie

[earnest condor]

The only time I lie is when the truth is not my secret to share.

[chrome bear]

when im done ill show you mine and it'll work and work well

[earnest condor]

Sushi is factually simpler.
1 belt is simpler than 2-4.

[small crypt]

and they say shakespeare is dead

1 belt per item is objectively simpler than multiple items per belt

[earnest condor]

No.

[small crypt]

theres no reason to do things the shitty way when belts are free

[chrome bear]

but having multiple belts for multiple items is way more complex than 1 belt for all the items

[small crypt]

no its not

[earnest condor]

Sushi is not shitty. Your understanding of it is.

[small crypt]

then one item jams up all the rest

[earnest condor]

If your sushi is capable of jamming, you built it wrong.

[small crypt]

why would you merge multiple items on 1 belt in the first place

making a sushi belt in the first place is building it wrong

[earnest condor]

To deal with 1 belt instead of 2-4.

[small crypt]

sigh, do whatever i dont have enough patience or crayons to continue

none of my business

[earnest condor]

Try eating actual food?

[wraith depot]

Smart and programmable splitters exist for a reason

[feral vector]

why not if the belt can handle it? I only really use them to send extra shit to a line of storage containers that sinks the overflow though but I'm not very creative

[earnest condor]

I have poggers bound directly to my bar. Regular splitters are a rare sight in my worlds 😄

Smarts are good, but can get things stuck in their internal storage (has no effect on the line, it's just an OCD nitpick).
Poggers let you put "overflow" PLUS "any undef" on the output, which stops anything from being trapped.

[small crypt]

its fine for sinking overflow but as a supply chain all it does is complicate your logistics because you have to work around when 1 item is saturated in a production chain, it stops the entire belt, so before you go to feed you have to use programmable splitters and whatnot to re-separate the belt at point of service it's just unnecessary when you can just drag an auto connecting belt highway, and if your belts can support multiple items then you're not producing enough of either to warrant the transportation in the first place

[earnest condor]

Simplifies logistics*
Belt is incapable of stopping if built correctly*

[feral vector]

what's a basic example of this? I feel like I'd just clog it if I tried lol

[earnest condor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1awwvys/a_more_complete_sushi_portfolio_all_vanilla_no/

[wraith depot]

just use trains at that point

[small crypt]

i only had 1 belt highway in my playthrough so i never needed to use trains

i used drones for nitrogen thats about it

i couldnt decide whether i wanted to do a right handed 2 lane train system with signals or use 1 rail dedicated push/pull trains and ultimately built a belt highway for the 1 thing i needed it for while i was deciding lol

[earnest condor]

@chrome bear if you need examples.
Again, if you have any questions or issues just send me a message.

[small crypt]

same thing happened with supercomputers lol i was stuck deciding which of the 9 morbillion combinations of alt recipes to use i just did the whole thing with defaults

[shy temple]

I follow rule of cool. I do what seems cool

[earnest condor]

Ok but that means you have to choose:
Cooling System or Cooling Device? 😉

[small crypt]

way i figure it, nothing no matter the complexity takes more than a few minutes to set up, maybe a half hour if it's a long production chain with recycling steps etc, so if im gonna spend more than an hour thinking about which version of it i want to do i could have set it up by then

[glacial totem]

I've just unlocked coal power

does the game teach you how to build it?

[feral vector]

so you just use specific item to the left into an assembler and overflow straight and it just works?

[earnest condor]

(Genuine reply without any tone or sarcasm, being factual)

-The game has all the information you need, it comes down to your reading comprehension ability.

[glacial totem]

Ok cool.

[earnest condor]

1 smart per item, yes.

[wraith depot]

The only time I used a dedicated belt highway was for the copper ore mining for nuclear pasta. It was across almost half the copper node on the map

[glacial totem]

It looked complicated online

But I'll follow the game and hope for the best

[earnest condor]

Think of it less as a splitter and more as a grabby arm that is pulling the needed item off the line.

[feral vector]

it's worth trying to just set it up and come ask if you get confused, fluids can be weird

[earnest condor]

The one thing the game won't tell you up front is each generator needs 15/min coal and 45/min water.

The rest is all there.

[glacial totem]

I found a massive lake, that's probably the best place to start. It probably has a coal ore next to it

[feral vector]

just be careful setting up too many coal plants in one manifold cause you're stuck with mk1 pipes that only handle 300 fluids

[earnest condor]

Now you're not letting him read 😉

[feral vector]

just scan for coal, you want a bunch of coal nodes

[feral vector]

I figured that was a pretty innocent tip lol

I looked up the standard coal plant setup on the wiki and I should have just tried it myself

I was really sick of biofuel at that point and just wnted it to work

[glacial totem]

So far the game has just told me what water is lol

[earnest condor]

Disagree. Spoilering for his sake.
||The ability to know they take 45/min, know that a pipe can handle 300, know that 8 needs 360 so you cannot just shove that into 1 pipe... all of that is reading comprehension and you've seen how many people fail that test.||
Which is why when they said they got it in terms of reading, I gave them only the 2 numbers the game doesn't.

[glacial totem]

I'd love to do the required reading if I knew where it is 🫪

[earnest condor]

I gave you how much each gen needs.
The game has the info on how much you can make per extractor and what pipes can do.

I believe in you 💛

[glacial totem]

do the lakes dry out?

or is the water infinite

[feral vector]

nope water is infinite

[earnest condor]

Every resource in the game is infinite. 🥳

[feral vector]

water is the less problematic part of the coal plants IMO

[earnest condor]

Even lizards.. no matter how many I kill. They keep coming back...

[glacial totem]

I can't attach photos on here can I

[feral vector]

well, the pipes are problematic depending what you do lol

[earnest condor]

#screenshots

[glacial totem]

I'm on my phone, can't be arsed with desktop discord

[earnest condor]

@feral vector any other sushi questions?

[feral vector]

you can post in screenshots and link it here, or post in design and architecture if it's about building stuff

[feral vector]

I'm too tired to think of any good questions, I might try it out next time I have a manufacturer though

[glacial totem]

I just wanted to check on the map if the lake was big enough

[earnest condor]

What biome did you start in?

[feral vector]

uhhh what do you have the last smart splitter set to?

[earnest condor]

Same thing all the other ones are?

[glacial totem]

I'm on the green beginner's map

[feral vector]

even a prety small body of water is sufficient for your first set of coal plants

[earnest condor]

Lake is sort of down in a canyon-looking thing?

[glacial totem]

niiiice

[feral vector]

you wanna know the good spot for a coal plant near there or you wanna find it yourself

[earnest condor]

Also there is only 1 map.

[glacial totem]

Yeah, I jumped off a massive cliff into the water

[earnest condor]

Best place to setup. You're golden.

[feral vector]

yeah that place should have lots of coal nodes nearby, do a quick scan

[earnest condor]

All 4 starting areas are just different parts of one giant map. Just fyi.

[glacial totem]

ok I think I'll have to move my entire setup closer though

[feral vector]

and the lake itself is way more than enough water

[earnest condor]

Why? Just drag a powerline from there back to your setup?

[feral vector]

nah keep your starter factory where it is IMO

[glacial totem]

It's about a 5min walk away. Can I just daisy chain power lines?

[earnest condor]

Yes 😄

[glacial totem]

Omg

I love this game

[earnest condor]

Use that lake coal as power and leave it over there.
Use the other coal in your biome for steel.

[feral vector]

yeah it's pretty cool

[glacial totem]

Oh cause it says up to 4 connections.. but they can just be other power poles?

[wraith depot]

You will be surprised on how far you will be taking those cables

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[feral vector]

yes. what a nice thing to learn about lol

[glacial totem]

I don't want to know what you mean by steel just yet

[earnest condor]

Did you not read your milestones?

[feral vector]

you might want to check some stuff on the MAM trees

I can tell you which one if you want but again not trying to spoil stuff without permission

[glacial totem]

Nah I find this game a bit overwhelming. I've done some of the MAM

[wraith depot]

Can anyone tell me how much power I should have before finishing tier 8??

[glacial totem]

but only just unlocked tier 3/4

[earnest condor]

Can I ask how much you currently have?

[wraith depot]

28k

[earnest condor]

Yes, and then you read all the milestones to decide what order to do them in, right?

[earnest condor]

You're fine.

[glacial totem]

I can't read the greyed out ones can I?

[earnest condor]

I just finished the game on 22 GW.

[feral vector]

man I can't decide how to space out my buildings that are gonna be for making rubber and plastic

[earnest condor]

When you unlocked T3-4, you gained access to all T3-4 milestones.

So you can read all T3-4 milestones and decide what order to do them in.

[wraith depot]

Just got my rocket fuel plant going got 3 mk2 pipes filled with it

[glacial totem]

oh no I just read about coal and then decided I would place all my attention to it

figured I'd do coal and then go from there so I don't have to keep harvesting leaves

[earnest condor]

Just like when you unlocked T1-2 you gained access to all T1-2 milestones, you read them all, and the FIRST milestone you finished was T2: Obstacle Clearing -- riiiiight? 😭

[glacial totem]

Nah, I like trees 😃

so I ignored clearing

[earnest condor]

It's not about the chainsaw..

It's about access to Solid Biofuel -- the literal best fuel at that stage of the game.

😭

[strange vortex]

Hello

[earnest condor]

The larger overall point:
Doing milestones in order "just because" is... fine, but bad.
Reading them and doing them in a specific order to gain access to better things faster makes your life easier. 💛

[glacial totem]

well, too bad!

All mistakes I have made without any help

[earnest condor]

Which is fine. We've all been there. This is more my giving advice for your next run 😄

[glacial totem]

sure. In 200 more hours on this run

[earnest condor]

Like how I don't unlock Jump Pads until Tier 9 due to the bug with how hard drive scanning works 😄

[smoky forge]

huh

[glacial totem]

Ok so wait
If I can only join 4 cables to a power pole then only 3 of my buildings will get power

Do I just run heaps of power poles from the coal centre

[wraith depot]

I used to connect 1 smelter to a miner for ingots before I learnt about input and output rates

[smoky forge]

yeah i personaly place 1 powerpole mk1 for each machine

even in endgame

[shy temple]

The way I do it is one power pole per one or two machines.

Greating a nice grid

[glacial totem]

I just realised this tonight too

[shy temple]

I rarely use higher tier power unless in a center of a hub

[wraith depot]

It's a headache for future expansion just default mk3

[smoky forge]

why is it a headache?

[earnest condor]

I believe this is fixed in 1.2, but on 1.1 and previous:

When you get to the end of scanning drives, you will inevitably get to where you have a single alt recipe left. The game will not let you scan it because it wants to you give you 2 options.
For some reason, when you are at this point, completing a milestone fixes this bug and allows you to scan one drive for the final recipe.

So I save Jump Pads as a simple, fast, "throwaway" milestone for this exact purpose at that stage of the game.

[smoky forge]

aaaah alr

ive come across that bug but it solved itselfe usualy

with me doing nothing

[earnest condor]

Fair. I just know that milestone fixes it immediately. So I save one.
Again, I believe fixed in 1.2

[brittle dune]

Reloading has always fixed that bug for me
Also, You... you're back?

I remember you

I mean that's years at this point

[wraith depot]

Guys does the pipe junction priority feature actually works in cause it's now working for me

[brittle dune]

I'm on the 1.2 experimental and have had the bug

[earnest condor]

2-3 years if memory serves, yes.
Hope you have been keeping well.

[smoky forge]

you probably did it wrong

it works usualy

[brittle dune]

You seem more sane now
(No offense)

[normal orbit]

you can also save/reload which fixes it :p

[earnest condor]

May I comment on that with a short dm?

[wraith depot]

I've been packaging and sinking water for a while now

[brittle dune]

Go ahead

[smoky forge]

? because it doesnt work?

or why are you sinking water

[wraith depot]

Aluminium

[smoky forge]

yeah seperate fresh from byproduct water

mixing is never a good idea

[dapper cave]

Step 1: need resources
Step 2: Setup assembly line and prepare for the next 2 hours of getting those resources
Step 3: make chicken tenders, tab out and watch John Wick while the sounds of assembly line industrialism carry on in the background

[wraith depot]

I have seen people get 100% efficiency with the junction method but mine never goes over 70

[smoky forge]

!wikisearch aluminium

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=aluminium

[smoky forge]

wrong one dam

[smoky forge]

well bc they have done it multiple times and know when what pipe will have problems

[glacial totem]

I have also never killed one of those giant legged creatures that roam, am I missing out on anything crucial?

[normal orbit]

mixing is fine if you know what you're doing

[wraith depot]

Please don't they have families

[glacial totem]

I never killed one

[earnest condor]

ADA has voicelines specifically for when you kill Steve.

[glacial totem]

I PROMISE

Steve 🥹

[wraith depot]

Yeah she made sure to tell me after i chased and killed one 😭

[wraith depot]

You can bounce on their back for an achievement tho

[earnest condor]

I documented every single voiceline she has for slaying lizards 😄

[wraith depot]

Not the doggos

[earnest condor]

They know what they did and they understand they deserve it.

[shy temple]

When they start getting in the way of your vehicles cause they on roads you will

[feral vector]

just slap them and they run away you monster

[shy temple]

not always

[earnest condor]

Slap them with NukeNobs.

[shy temple]

Sometimes they clip into an object and get stuck

[glacial totem]

thanks for the tip I will feed all my bioburners now while I make parts for coal

[wraith depot]

So you free them not beat them to death💀

[feral vector]

I am so happy for you right now lol

[shy temple]

They come back again though

They only get so many chances

[earnest condor]

Guaranteed on your second run, when you hit Phase One you won't do things in order anymore.
First milestone is Obstacle purely for the fuel upgrade.
Second milestone is MAM for all of those upgrades.
Then you go back and get stuff like splitters and foundations.

[brittle dune]

It makes me so sad to do it but they get stuck on my stuff

[glacial totem]

I've never had them get stuck, they clip right through my buildings

[earnest condor]

I really wish we could disable the beans the way we can disable spiders.

[wraith depot]

Just go to his ear and threaten his family he will comply next time😃

[feral vector]

maybe I'll get it if I play more but those things never bother me

[brittle dune]

Well they seem to stop spawning once you build to their spawn like other creatures

I think it might have to do with like not only building but also having power in the vicinity?

[glacial totem]

So the coal powerplant, will provide the power needed for the miners, that mine the coal and feed the powerplant? 🤔

[normal orbit]

powered building, which actually draw power, not being idle. Tracks also count as this. but its not 100% they can spawn a bit off and walk into the area

[earnest condor]

After you use biomass burners to jumpstart the system, yes.

[small crypt]

cant be power, i had powerlines in massive grid over the entire map and things still spawned

[normal orbit]

power line do not draw power, they just transfer it

[glacial totem]

Nice. I am all in on solid biomass as we speak

[earnest condor]

Use bio to power it for a couple minutes to get the system running. Once it is fully online it will be self-sufficient provided you did the math correctly.

[glacial totem]

I haven't done any math yet in the entire game apart from count to 4 lol

[wraith depot]

Be careful while turning the water extractors and miners I blew my fuse like 3 times cause I had like 5 burners

[glacial totem]

I think I'm going to hit youtube for a basic coal plant setup guide

[wraith depot]

You will

[glacial totem]

There's so many parts

[sterile blade]

One can be pretty damn efficient/effective just by eyeballing stuff ^^

[wraith depot]

And a lot

[wraith depot]

A true player only settles for 100% efficiency nothing less

[earnest condor]

But...

[feral vector]

you just need miners with coal, water extractors for water, pipe the water in and belt the coal in. you'll learn a lot if you struggle a bit 😛

I'd try it out and ask here if you get stuck

I looked it up and I regret it lol

[glacial totem]

I will try. I need a million resources first

I haven't looked anything up yet

[earnest condor]

That is false :\

[wraith depot]

Just feed the coal generator coal and water, provide power to water extractors and take output power from the coal generator

[earnest condor]

Hundreds at most.

[feral vector]

can start small, use one miner worth of coal for however many coal gens

[sterile blade]

True players be like: #satisfactory-memes message

[wraith depot]

Every scrap is either getting used or getting sinked no blockage in my farms

[earnest condor]

Yellow lights on production machines are not authorized.

[wraith depot]

Yeah

[wraith depot]

Just rebuild the entire factory at that point

[earnest condor]

Correct.

[feral vector]

I usually have all green but with steel rods and steel screws I gave up and just overproduced a tiny bit

[earnest condor]

Heresy 😭

[wraith depot]

Burn him

[sterile blade]

Jokes aside, it's one thing to be proud of one's gameplay, it's another to push others down by claiming to be the only "true" players or stuff like that... So let's keep the sarcasm clear if we can 😁

[brittle dune]

I have like a 7k-ish coal plant I built way back when which, if absolute worst case somehow happens despite my priority power switches, despite my power storage banks, the coal plant has enough power storages worth of juice in an isolated bank in its basement to run for 2 hours without producing power
So even if the most catastrophic were to somehow happen, I should be able to reboot everything from there

[earnest condor]

Burn him for the heresy or for the "xNAMEx" 2000's PlayStation format? 😏

[small crypt]

bro its not that deep

[wraith depot]

We are just joking bro my factories are pure ass

[earnest condor]

😮 Have I shown you my Ionized Fuel plant?

[feral vector]

it's literally the same name I've used since xbox live was new on the OG xbox lol

#screenshots message

these numbers suck yellow is worth it

[earnest condor]

😄 Fair.

[earnest condor]

Link the actual production line?

[feral vector]

I am not very creative

[feral vector]

like the planner link?

[earnest condor]

👍

[feral vector]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=uUYXaH0jbD2iTm5WDKy6

[brittle dune]

No, why do you ask

[earnest condor]

Sec

[wraith depot]

I just finished my rocket fuel factory 600 crude to 1800 rocket fuel, that's like 430 generators from my 30, I'm scared

[sterile blade]

Scared of what?

[wraith depot]

Of the end game

Why would I need that much

[feral vector]

how much power does that many generators make lol

[wraith depot]

250*430

[sterile blade]

Ehh, depends on how "fast" you like things to be moving overall...
Eg: aiming for X spelevator parts/min VS 2x or 10x, depending on how quickly you want to fill the spelevator

[feral vector]

seems a bit excessive

[hollow mountain]

are you guys letting your game open at night?

[wraith depot]

Yeah before that 1 was using 2 pure oil nodes to run like 30 generator to this it's a huge jump

[feral vector]

no, I get plenty of stuff produced while I explore or plan stuff or yap on here

[wraith depot]

Nope I know my trucks will deadlock the moment I look away. So I dont

[hollow mountain]

thats fair... i think ill let mine open just so im done with one of the piece for phase 3 when i wake up

[feral vector]

yeah, not a bad idea if you are just waiting for space elevator parts

[hollow mountain]

im finaly gonna be able to stack steel beam

tomorrow im gonna try to make some oil setup

[feral vector]

@earnest condor I don't have rigor motor and I already built it all lol thank you though

next time I'm using steel rotors efficiency be damned I'm lazy

[earnest condor]

But it makes the numbers pretty 😭

[feral vector]

I'm not redoing it when I have so many things I gotta automate XD

[wraith depot]

Best of luck

[earnest condor]

The other thing I do sometimes to make numbers pretty is just over produce and sink excess. 😄

[feral vector]

yeah I could throw a sink in there that's a good idea

not exactly worried about using too much iron at my starter factory

I gotta figure out how to space out these plastic/rubber refinery buildings that are gonna have fuel gens on the second floor

slowly running out of my stockpile of rubber and plastic lol

[earnest condor]

Like my "fast" computer setup.
Starts with 15.BLAH refineries -- nope, 16.
The 15ish goes to 5.2ish and 1.89 is, but making it 16 I get 6 and 2 flat.
All the way down the line that could feed 12.89BLAH Manufacturers, but I trim that to 12 exactly and just sink the extra to keep it all flowing.

[feral vector]

hmm I might try that next time I automate something seems both satisfying and kinda lazy

[young sentinel]

i have found diluted fuel, but not HOR.
i'm setting up my second 10 GW plant producing rubber, which is getting funneled into a caterium computer factory.
is turbo fuel more efficient than diluted fuel?

[feral vector]

I usually try to at least make the last machines in a production line have a nice even number and just send the extra to storage

[sterile blade]

I tend to do the opposite, where most machines have a "nice" number and the last/first in line is the odd one out (so to check things I look at the odd one out and just glance at the rest of the line)

[wraith depot]

What should I focus on first the dimensional depot upload speed or the capacity.

[earnest condor]

Capacity.

[feral vector]

I go back and forth with the upgrades because they go up in price so fast but yeah probably capacity first

[earnest condor]

Priority is Somer duplication tbh.
But for depot specifically it is Personal Upload > Capacity > Speed.

[feral vector]

turbofuel requires fuel, satisfactory tools says make rubber, use the HOR byproduct to make 800 fuel with diluted fuel, then mix with compacted coal for 666.67 turbo fuel / minute

[hollow mountain]

Do you guys keep your water plant in mid-late game? I imagine its not worth removing because it free energy

[wraith depot]

Somer duplicating is actually busted for spaceelevator parts in phase 4

[feral vector]

if you just go rubber -> HOR -> normal fuel you get 800 fuel, 666.67 turbo fuel is worth ~1777.78 normal fuel

unless I fucked up with the planner at least lol, I'm tired and I have never used turbofuel

[young sentinel]

screenshotted ty. i'll look into it. im tired too.

[brittle dune]

Water plant? yeah it would die if you didn't. /j
in all seriousness I don't know what you mean by that

[earnest condor]

What is a water plant?

[feral vector]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=m4uQuPtVgQq4PWAxIwk4 (turbofuel)

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=MfBSsDuosNNjZf58Pz4i (diluted fuel)

both use a full pure node of oil

[hollow mountain]

Oh mb.. use water and coal to make power

[sterile blade]

Even if I disconnect it, I normally don't bother with dismantling. At worst, it can be used as a "backup generator" in the future, if the main grid goes down for some reason

[earnest condor]

Although I do wonder how many sink points you could get if you maximized allowable water area, sucked it all up, packaged it and sunk it...

[brittle dune]

Water is like 0 sink points lol

[earnest condor]

130 😉

More than RIPs but less than Rotors.

[hollow mountain]

I was wondering if i should get a fuel generator because i just start tier 5

[glacial totem]

what I like about this game is there's no threat, no invaders, no Otis or Niko calling every 5 mins with tasks

[cursive crane]

Not very efficient cause water collection is really power inefficient on its own.

[earnest condor]

If you just started Phase 3 you don't have fuel gens yet.
But you should prioritize getting them, yes.

[earnest condor]

Power is not a factor in meme builds 😉

[sterile blade]

It sits higher than RIPs and lower than Aluminum Ingots

[earnest condor]

@sterile blade twinzies.

[cursive crane]

If you are using AGS sure
But that amount of extractors would definetely not be a trivial amount of power

[hollow mountain]

I have all of tier 5 unlock outside of the truck already

[earnest condor]

Tip: You do not have to (and should not) do milestones in order 💛

[cursive crane]

Except the later tiers with space parts where you definetely do have to

[hollow mountain]

I did because i already had the mat

[earnest condor]

What tier do you have to do them in order?

[cursive crane]

8 and 9 at the very least

[hollow mountain]

I feel like tier 6 is hard to do before 5

[cursive crane]

There are unlockables in earlier milestones that if you dont do first you literally cant do the later milestones

[hollow mountain]

Unlock the fuel generator and plastic stuff sound really important

[cursive crane]

Which is besides the point, the milestone system is one big tutorial thats designed to be completed in order, you can skip around at points sure, but thats an exception, and those certain milestones could almost be considered optional themselves

[hollow mountain]

Some are useless like the jump pad

[cursive crane]

Dont talk down on my jelly landing pad it didnt do anything to anyone

[earnest condor]

T8: First milestone is Drones, which you can skip entirely to do the second miletone and unlock nuclear first (which can be recommended so you get can drives rolling).
Can do the third unlock, Advanced Aluminium before either of those for the same reason.
Can do the fourth unlock, mk3 miner before any of those 3.. and many people might want this before anything else.
Can do the fifth unlock first for the same reasons as 2 and 3.

So no, T8 does not have to be done in order.

T9: First unlock does have to be done first.
Second unlock is required for 3 and 4.
However, this is another tier where you DON'T want to go in order. Because the 5th unlock is mk6 belts, and does not require 2,3, or 4.

So no, T9 does not have to be done in order either.

[hollow mountain]

I heard some people just skip nuclear

[earnest condor]

You have to do the milestone to gain access to the MFG Project Part.

[cursive crane]

Designed, not required.

[earnest condor]

You don't have to build nuclear though.

[hollow mountain]

Ohhh ok also how do you deal with radioactive

[earnest condor]

The question was:

What tier do you have to do them in order?

To which you answered:

8 and 9 at the very least

And I just disproved that 🤷‍♂️

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch waste

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=waste

[earnest condor]

Sevrahn — 3:32 AM
Tip: You do not have to (and should not) do milestones in order 💛
-misses Jace+Snutt [FEAR] [EBAH], — 3:32 AM
Except the later tiers with space parts where you definetely do have to

So no, you definitely do not have to, and my recommendation stands.

[hollow mountain]

I mean how you go close without dying

[earnest condor]

T7, milestone 4, Hazmat Suit + Ionized Filters.

[wraith depot]

Is building a nuclear plant fun or just chore, cause I don't think I will need it

[cursive crane]

Also check again. Tier 8, 3 is required to complete 4, and 4 for 5
Some goes for tier 9, there are literally recipes in the first 2 you HAVE to complete first

[hollow mountain]

Ohh im not there yet okok

[cursive crane]

Optional, but a massive boost in power if you invest time in it

[wraith depot]

I will do it if it's fun to build otherwise I don't need extra power

[earnest condor]

8 I will give you, but as you can still skip Drones it means you don't have to do it in order.

9, read what I said. 2 is required for 3 and then 4. However 5 does not care about 2, 3, or 4. So you can (and should) go 1->5->2->3->4.
Which is, still, not doing them in order.

[cursive crane]

Tier 5, oil plastic rubber in earlier milestones that are required to do the later ones as well

Exceptions not rules.

Before you bother typing another 2 paragraphs im not reading

[earnest condor]

Exceptions are what disprove your assertion that you HAVE to do them in order, lmao.

[wraith depot]

😭

[earnest condor]

There is no tier after Phase 0 that is required to be done step-by-step.

That is my point.

Every single one of them has a path to skip around.

You said "no."
But it is the fact of the matter that "yes."

[brittle dune]

Game has progression but the milestones aren't strictly linear

Hell you can find shit scattered about around drop pods

[hushed frigate]

do trains have any advantage over drones? kinda new and it seems that drones are just better in every way

[earnest condor]

That's where I it corrected about 8. Usually I use drop pod mats to get to miner mk3 immediately.
But they are right in that you need T8M3 before you can get T8M4 (Pokemon? randomly?).
But given you can skip T8M1 and 2, you can still skip around 🤷‍♂️

[brittle dune]

You get drones way later

And they require fuel for low throughput

[earnest condor]

Throughput amount per platform.
Probably fuel cost? But I haven't done the math on that.

However, if drones are your jam, stick with drones!

[brittle dune]

I just got drones and am def gonna make good use of them

[earnest condor]

I know trains cost more fuel than trucks, but given how little drones can move I would guess that drones cost more fuel than trains.

[reef basin]

Cost as fuel or infra?

[earnest condor]

Did I not say fuel twice? 😭

[brittle dune]

But still gonna be using trains for some throughput situations

[earnest condor]

Like truck moving truck stuff vs. amount of fuel to power a train moving the same stuff -- trucks cost less fuel.

[brittle dune]

Definitely wouldn't try to jam a pure node through them

[earnest condor]

But given the sheer amount of drones needed to match a train, I would assume drones cost more fuel than the train does.

That being said... Nuclear Fueled Drones are fun 😄

[brittle dune]

And trains operate on essentially blips in the power graph or not even that

[feral vector]

how can a truck cost less fuel than a train when trains don't need fuel

[earnest condor]

How do you make electricity?

[tall lantern]

geothermal

[feral vector]

I am never anywhere near my limit

[earnest condor]

Ok, answer the question though.
How do you make electricity?

[feral vector]

that's like worrying about power shard electricity cost it's basically a non issue

[feral vector]

right now with DPF

[earnest condor]

So... you use Fuel for your Train 😉

[feral vector]

but like... I'm not gonna siphon my DPF to fuel a truck lol

[earnest condor]

That's not what is being said.

[feral vector]

I know what you mean you're technically right lol

[earnest condor]

How much fuel a truck burns vs. how much fuel you burn to make electricity for your train -- trucks cost less fuel.

[feral vector]

but I've never had to add power to fuel a train, if I set up a bunch of drones I need to figure out fuel for them, that's all

[earnest condor]

Trains are simpler to fuel, that is a notch in their favor.
No one is denying that.

[feral vector]

yeah definitely

[stark blade]

oo hello again sj

[feral vector]

yo

[stark blade]

dont remember ?

[weary gate]

Why did they make rocket fuel a gas not liquid?

[earnest condor]

When they added it to the game?

[stark blade]

its a gas?

[weary gate]

Yes

[smoky forge]

becus nitrogen

[tall lantern]

to match IRL probably

[stark blade]

depends what type of fule i guess but makes sence

[weary gate]

Rocket fuel irl is liquid

[earnest condor]

Fuel, Turbo = Liquid
Rocket, Ion = Gas

Has been since 1.0

[stark blade]

never knew it was a gas tho

[smoky forge]

thats why you dont need pumps for it

[stark blade]

um

[feral vector]

yes lol it's my favorite person who's not smart enough to put spoilers in the spoiler chat 😛

[stark blade]

ngl i never knew that and still use pipes for it 😭

[stark blade]

thought you would just start with that

one single mistake cant be forgiven can it

[feral vector]

wasn't that like a week or two ago, not gonna rage for that long heh

[stark blade]

well that is quite unlike some of the other arguements i have had

good to know

[feral vector]

not worth stressing that much all good

[stark blade]

:D

[earnest condor]

ARGUMENTS? In HARMONY?
Oh wait.. this is Discord 😛

[green fiber]

If the fluid indicator shows 2 colors, its a gas

[stark blade]

also i have smth for the fanart channel but i need a new hdmi cable 😭

[feral vector]

it wasn't as polite when it first happened lol

[dapper cave]

my idiot self has made it to phase 2 of the space elevator without realizing I could just set up a constructor to pass biofuel to various generators. I was legit powering double the amount I needed to manually lol. Dear lord

[hushed frigate]

oh no

i have made a terrible mistake

[stark blade]

oops

[dapper cave]

🤣

[stark blade]

?

[dapper cave]

Please laugh. I am. I deserve it 🤣

[sterile blade]

Pain and hindsight can be good teachers

[feral vector]

did you at least container feed them?

[hushed frigate]

i have placed many, many nuclear power plants before making a single waste recycling plant

[earnest condor]

Reload previous save.
See? No mistake made because you didn't do it yet 😏

[hushed frigate]

my world is 50% covered in radiation

[dapper cave]

imma have to traverse to the next planet to start gathering wood and leaves at this point but whatever

[earnest condor]

Hunt your biomass 😉

[feral vector]

I had a container feeding 15 biomass burners, I usually handcrafted the biofuel then threw that into a constructor then carried it over myself

[strange vortex]

Hello. I'm bored. What do i do?

[dapper cave]

gonna be primal dw

[stark blade]

i did the inverse of that XD
axidentialy made a waste processing plant to handle 50 reactors and dident reailise till about a month later

[earnest condor]

Alien Protein is one of the best sources of biomass tbh.

[stark blade]

and i was onily running 6 of them

[stark blade]

yeah its 1 per 100 biomass right?

[earnest condor]

200 with Somers 😉

[leaden turret]

problem: low health
solution: huff radioactive pork chops

[earnest condor]

Indeed.

[stark blade]

satisfactory logic at its best:

[sterile blade]

There's also arguably even worse mistakes one can do... Stuff one may realize only after their entire playthrough...
Eg: ||people realizing in endgame that they could've slooped Power Shards constructors to get twice the shards for zero handcrafting||

[earnest condor]

And you can automate protein by just having a vehicle route go through an enemy spawn location given trucks do damage 😄

[hushed frigate]

oughhh
i feel funny
too much radiation

[stark blade]

good point actuialy

new biomass farm idea aquired

[smoky forge]

well how would you collet the items

[earnest condor]

Couple really good spots in RD for it. Walk by every couple in-game days and pick up your hog remains.

[smoky forge]

its not realy automation if that cant be done

[stark blade]

go and get them every now and then because dropped items dont despawn if im correct

[stark blade]

eh its about as close as u can get with biomass

[dapper cave]

its not like ive suffered. Ive just been working double than id need to. Ive finally combined my copper and iron output into a single platform working on every essential material so ive streamlined ALOT tonight. Its just... im tired

[sterile blade]

So... How long before a wall of Remains forms, huh?

[smoky forge]

lme guess, bout 50h playtime

[stark blade]

knowing my playtime sessions
well it depends how many enemys can spawn in about 7 to 10 hours-

[sterile blade]

If we wanted to actually calculate the that, we'd first need to figure out how many you can kill automatically per hour or minute...
But doesn't one need to be close to the vehicles for them to have any phisics or enemies to spawn to begin with?

[stark blade]

hm

idk 🤷‍♂️

[cursive crane]

I want mortars, autocollectors, and logic system so I could setup an autofarm for remains

Nothing says ficsit efficiency like blasting terraign from 500m away and collecting remains

[sterile blade]

We have (well, "can make") the logic part, at least

[stark blade]

wait

[cursive crane]

How? Sf doesnt have a logic system

[stark blade]

i mean we have gun and bombs
why not just combine to make grenade luancher
aka regular nobelisk use but throw further and detonate upon contact

single shot ofc

[sterile blade]

You can pull off logic gates in a few different ways in SF

[earnest condor]

You can make logic gates with truck stops.

[cursive crane]

Minecraft dispensor but with nobes

[stark blade]

welp your obviousily smarter than me

[stark blade]

grenade luancher is mutch diffrent but if thats the way you understand it then it works i guess

[cursive crane]

I dont think yall know what true logic systems are. Think stationeers or foundry

Not "stop truck for 5 seconds"

[sterile blade]

That's not a safe assumption. I could just have had more time to waste to read up on what smarter people have built :P

[earnest condor]

Who said anything about using a truck?

[sterile blade]

If by "logic system" you mean something using logic gates (or their equivalent) to create more complex systems, we can make that

[stark blade]

well considering i made a drone fule plant for my nuclear setup using a tractor
not reailising that the tractor eats the fule and the container
and it had slowily been eating through every single container
and actuialy caused a full power plant shutdown
then i proceded to stuff it with more containers and still havent fixed the problem to this day
your probibily smarter

[sterile blade]

Ie: one can make a calculator in SF

[stark blade]

how the fu-

[sterile blade]

Logic gates

[cursive crane]

Thats not realistic lol

[stark blade]

h o w t h o u g h

[cursive crane]

Logic systems that work on certain machines, not systems you need to make superstructures for

[sterile blade]

Look up "logic gates satisfactory". There's probably results on YT too, but most stuff is on Reddit iirc

[stark blade]

well i tried the same for how to make a belt balancer and that dident work

[sterile blade]

Iirc, someone did create and post about an actual in-game calculator (16-bit?)

[ivory condor]

that surely cant be possible

[cursive crane]

Think of the batcrazy stuff minecraft redstoners have made. You can play doom on a minecraft redstone system lmao

[earnest condor]

"We can make logic gates."

No you can't.
"We literally can."
Well, not in the way I like, so no you can't.

[ivory condor]

this isnt minecraft, it doesnt have logic blocks

[stark blade]

you underestimate the dedicaition of satisfactory players

[ivory condor]

good luck

[cursive crane]

I lose 2 braincells everytime you respond, blocked

[timid ledge]

anyone up to test my computer factory blueprint ? 🙂

[sterile blade]

You can play doom on anything that can implement enough logic gates (which, again, is possible in SF too)

[stark blade]

i think smth in my garage is leaking fule because its a verry strong smell in here . _ .

[earnest condor]

Given how you sow false information, go ahead and block 🤷‍♂️

[ivory condor]

but really without logic blocks, how could you make a calculator in this game hmmm

[cursive crane]

At a scale that would make doing anything else in the game impossible lmao

[ivory condor]

i mean it works in games like minecraft, but again it has logic blocks so that can work hmmm

what does this game, have belts, power lines, how could you make anything from that

[stark blade]

im almost certian that if satisfactory had smth capable of being in 2 diffrent states

[sterile blade]

Caviats do be caviats 🤷‍♂️
Nobody said it was easy, we're just talking about what's possible or not

[stark blade]

some mf would play doom on it

[earnest condor]

Truck stops + smart splitters give you a lot of options.
Even more with priority power switches now.

[cursive crane]

Except the original ask was a logic system to make a turret fire lol

[sterile blade]

I don't understand what you mean here

[brittle dune]

Yeah there's not really anything you can have change states without player involvement so I wonder

[ivory condor]

can proof of concept

[stark blade]

idk how to put it but like
mc redstone tortch
can be on or off

someone could possibily make entire circuts with that

[ivory condor]

i wonder to hmmm

[stark blade]

well i mean minecraft proved it :/

[earnest condor]

Truck stop can be on or off.
Add smart splitter beforehand.
If on, materials go in truck stop and out of it again.
If off, materials never enter and are sent through the overflow of the smart splitter.

[cursive crane]

Power storages/prio switches

[stark blade]

avrage redstone megaprogect: hold up bro lemmi make the entire internet ingame real quick

[earnest condor]

@stark blade

[stark blade]

yes?

[brittle dune]

I mean yeah but redstone changes in reaction to other redstone

[earnest condor]

Truck stop is your on/off torch.

[brittle dune]

Damn which word got me snutt_donut

[ivory condor]

reaction

[brittle dune]

I see

[ivory condor]

bot loves reactions now

[earnest condor]

Reaction

[ivory condor]

it loves ada to

[earnest condor]

Found the word @brittle dune

[sterile blade]

And I was answering about the parts that are in the game (specifically, logic systems) ^^
If aiming and enemies were recognizable parameters, they could be added to the logic, but they aren't (ie: the "logic" goes through logistics or production buildings; fauna, terrain or items placed on the ground have no way to interact with them and the other way around; if there was a way, the logic could be expanded to operate on them)

[ivory condor]

but doesnt love ada with reactions

well maybe it loves reactions with ada

[stark blade]

i aint know nothing abt circuts irl or ingame bruh im sorry
also i tried to bullshit a tv into working and onily like 2 converters 4 power ports 1 safty switch and about 40,000 wires later it just bearly works 😭

[green fiber]

Ahem....
Coke

[ivory condor]

ada approved

[earnest condor]

No like, when I pinged you it was linking you to the message of explaining how truck stops are your on/off and can control flow direction with logic gating.

[ivory condor]

and broke it

[stark blade]

once again
my knowlage of circuts is bad
so im not entirely sure what is possible in satisfactory

[brittle dune]

🤨

[stark blade]

the type of stuff i was on tryanna make a tv work:

[green fiber]

Petroleum Coke of course

[ivory condor]

ada approved?

[earnest condor]

🎶 like Kevin Garnett,
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!
-# Yeah, never thought I'd be on a booooat...
🎶

[stark blade]

its still sniffable tho right?

[green fiber]

Technically i guess

Sniff that carbon

[ivory condor]

bot doesnt love ada anymore i guess

[earnest condor]

Coupon

[ivory condor]

for real....

[stark blade]

mmmm coal smells like carbon

[green fiber]

Hmmmm
Subway gift card?

Nope

[stark blade]

no u get coupon instead

[earnest condor]

WOW

[stark blade]

and so do i apparentily

[earnest condor]

Airline miles

[brittle dune]

All three types are bad for you lol

[ivory condor]

ada approved coupons?

but do coupons approve of ada hmmm

[brittle dune]

Airlines becoming their own banks

[stark blade]

well they doo unlock a meme

im not goanna say how because apparentily i get demonotized if i do

[brittle dune]

What

[earnest condor]

Capitol(ism) One.

[stark blade]

ask sj

he was responsable for my "demotonizaition"

[reef basin]

we can make logic gates tho. SF is Turing complete. AND, OR and NOT gates and possible and those together can build anything

[brittle dune]

You can't let people know sinking a coupon gives you a funny or am I misunderstanding?

[earnest condor]

But we can't make them how they personally want to make them.
So no, we can't make them. 😉

[stark blade]

im saying i made one mistake by explaining the space elevator and then what folowed was me getting yelled at by sj for about 20 miniutes

[earnest condor]

Sinkable lizards when?

[stark blade]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[stark blade]

DO NOT SINK THE DOGGO

[cursive crane]

Doggo packager for long distance doggo farming when

[earnest condor]

Unlocks a new custom light blue splatter swatch 😏

[stark blade]

throwing them off a cliff is bad enough bro dont put them into the industrial strength grinder 😭

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> can lizard doggos use the sink in the spwn?

[leaden turret]

there's a mod for that

[cursive crane]

More importantly
Can they use the toilet

Do they have bőrthöles

[stark blade]

so i get yelled at for explaining the space elevator anamaition but this goes un noticed? 🤨

also i have smth for the #fan-art channel however i need a new HDMI cable 😭

and those cables aint fu##ing cheap :/

[obsidian zodiac]

no thumbs

[stark blade]

hai jason

[leaden turret]

prehensile tongue?

[stark blade]

man

voice chat channel when?

[cursive crane]

Prob never, long story short sucks to moderate, can always jump in a personal call with people or #1201555265942724758 can set something up

[cursive crane]

Also just so you know jason ever since that banger exp release video I miss snutt and jace a lil less

[obsidian zodiac]

happy to hear. more to come! was a lot of fun making it too 🙂

[stark blade]

fair

[reef basin]

we had them, but they were impossible to moderate, and not really used (reasonably) anyway, so they were removed

[ivory condor]

Its a battle to keep spam under control, voice chat would be a nightmare

Aka not happening

[stark blade]

yeah alright i guess on a server this big it would be one hell of a pain in the ass to deal with if some idiot went arround trolling

[leaden turret]

so you can confirm whether or not lizard doggo has thumbs, but not whether it has a butthole or cloaca?

[polar tapir]

does anybody have a layout for smart plating for 1 mk.1 miner?

[cursive crane]

This is the tough interview question we really need someone to ask

[stark blade]

i get nuked for explaining the spaceship anamaition BUT WHAT THE ACTUIAL FU-

[small crypt]

my headcanon is they have thumbs, as for butthole or cloaca, you're just gonna have to give it a try and find out for yourself

[leaden turret]

https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/environment/creatures/lizard-doggo/biology/

[timid rune]

finally I don't have to worry about turbo ammo production hah

sink enough points per min and that will do it

[reef basin]

you can make your own e.g. here https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[empty bridge]

Hi All. I've used the satisfactory tools website for the first time today. On the calculator section I selected reinforced steel plate production and it visualised what I need. My confusion is that it says I need 2 x smelter, one for iron plate the other for iron rod production. How do I connect 2 x smelters to the miner mk 1 as it doesn't tell me?

[leaden turret]

with belts and splitters

[reef basin]

that's up to you tbh. Splitters and mergers are usually used 🙂

[shy temple]

Splitters are the key. So the one source can feed two supplies

[empty bridge]

ah..it didn't include these in the visualization map

[reef basin]

well Tools don't show belts or splitters

as there's like infinite possibilities on how to build those

[empty bridge]

got it

thanks!

[small crypt]

Lord deliver me from temptation

[empty bridge]

I just removed a container and everything inside it has gone!

[sterile blade]

Check your pockets 😉
If they're full, you might see a "dismantle crate" on the map

[empty bridge]

thanks

[sterile blade]

Note: dismantling many things in one place may lead to the items going all in the same crate or an already existing one close by

[cursive crane]

Which depending on your game settings could be 1000m away

[weary gate]

I really wish liquids could be dumped

Get rid of excess fluids

[cursive crane]

Package
Or flush pipes

[sterile blade]

You mean automatically? ^^
Because we can flush pipework, albeit just manually

[cursive crane]

Can you sink all the packaged liquids? Never really bothered trying

[reef basin]

intentionally not possible as that would remove many of the challenges the game presents

that being said, what fluid do you want to get rid of?

[weary gate]

I mean like an option that lets the fluid dump into a river like flowing out a valve

[sterile blade]

Yes. Ironically, one packaged fluid is the only way to sink another solid item instead (that would otherwise be unsinkable)

[ivory condor]

Not possible

[sterile blade]

Nothing that simple here :P
We can only process the water (ie: consume it via machines)

[weary gate]

I know, I wish the was built like that

[sterile blade]

We do have mods~

[reef basin]

what do you want to get rid of?

[cursive crane]

You should try stationeers

[weary gate]

Excess water

[reef basin]

aluminum?

[weary gate]

Yeah

[brittle dune]

-# Ficsit does not waste

[reef basin]

recycle it back into the process

no reason to sink it

[small crypt]

It fits perfectly back in

[cursive crane]

One kinda way around it is to use the storage tanks to buy yourself time to keep the machines running, then just flush whenever you can get back to do so

[upbeat hawk]

I usually recycle byprods but wet concrete may be easy way to make it sinkable

[reef basin]

recycling back is even easier

[small crypt]

My favorite part about working with fluids was placing a ton of pipes, realizing half of them weren't working, then dismantling and replacing them the same exact way for them to magically work

[sterile blade]

"Easy" is subjective

[small crypt]

Yeah that one pipe connecting output to input is a real head scratcher

[reef basin]

you build less water extractors, no extra infrastructure. Not sure what would be harder about it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1492297777814835230/1492298072372416543/image.png?ex=69dec6e2&is=69dd7562&hm=7d121500221eeb7c800277b33c4a5552bb76c2317de8595220a6216ba93c3d40&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=248&height=350 and we have this image

[cursive crane]

Ficsit pipe manufacturing specifications are very loose

[brittle dune]

Pipes are black magic and I've learned to stop asking questions at this point

[upbeat hawk]

Yeah, recycle and clock your fresh supply is the way to go

[brittle dune]

The flow indicators don't even build properly sometimes

[brittle dune]

And also am afraid of running full pipes now

Damn sloshing

[sterile blade]

Having a completely separate production line dealing with the waste-water (packaging, concrete-ing or coal-powering...) can be simpler to design, depending on building preferences

[cursive crane]

Will never understand why so many people struggle with this, just run (consumption) at 598 and dont worry about it

[reef basin]

loop, done

[ivory condor]

Problem is that doesnt work, sloshing can easily prevent pipes from reaching that if not looped

[sterile blade]

That 2/min of difference can feel like nothing or like an infuriating imperfection

[brittle dune]

No matter what I did my turbofuel plant still refuses to work even after all my debugging and rebuilding

[small crypt]

literally never had sloshing im not sure it even exists

[brittle dune]

I don't ask questions anymore and just rull less than full 600 pipes

[ivory condor]

Sure maybe 500m3 might be safe, but with sloshing who knows

[small crypt]

sounds like user error

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533 is your friend

[brittle dune]

Well it works

But not 100%

[ivory condor]

Mk2 pipes are user error

[brittle dune]

Never has been 100%

It's improved but some generators still turn off every now and then

[small crypt]

i used mk2 pipes on everything whether it was 120m or 1200

[ivory condor]

Aka the devs made pipes that like to slosh, sounds like user error

[small crypt]

only issue i ever had with pipes was machines not outputting one time i had to replace them

[brittle dune]

Maybe 500/m pipes run into problems too, I don't know

[ivory condor]

I wouldnt trust that either

[sterile blade]

A simple way to see some weirdness in action can be playing with 2 buffers connected with 1 pipe: fill then up a bit, disconnect the inputs (use leaving the connection between them) and watch the flow in between them keep going crazy without reaching rest

[ivory condor]

In my experience, pipes that arent looped are likely to not work at 600m3 for obvious, aka sloshing

[brittle dune]

Yeah cuz fluids always want to move in this game

[ivory condor]

Maybe use them at 300m3 to be safe

[small crypt]

there is no be safe this is some urband legend shit ngl

just hook up pipes, pretend theyre belts, forget about it

[sterile blade]

It's as if there's an "agitator" always active on fluid 😆

[ivory condor]

Wait use 600m3 at 300m3, this doesnt sound like the greatest idea

[small crypt]

ive used 600m3 at 300, 120, and looped at 1200 no issues

[ivory condor]

I wish it was...

But i have plenty of systems that dont work unless looped, its very testable

I even sent those saves to the devs

[small crypt]

i think pipes are shit for a plethora other reasons

they need a complete rework

[brittle dune]

You're requesting to the void with that one

[ivory condor]

Sloshing is the biggest reason i can think of

Im fine with looping because i have to

[sterile blade]

Many people have and many others failed trying 🤷‍♂️
Depending on how one likes to pipe things, they may never encounter throughput issues, even when pushing pipes at max capacity (eg: people who like simmetrical pipework)

[ivory condor]

Probably, because known solutions aka looping works, devs properly wont rework how fluids work

[brittle dune]

And the way fluids work is pretty much completely intended

[dapper cave]

Coal unlocked. It is 5:30 in the morning, but at least I have coal.

[small crypt]

i never spent much time trying to make any of my fluid stuff look good because working with fluids is tiresome and annoying and easily the worst part of the game

[brittle dune]

eep

go to bed

[dapper cave]

the nearest deposit is 600m away. yeah ill do that later lol

[small crypt]

theres always that one thing in every game where a dev cooks with "let's make this as unfun as possible to the point where any time someone considers replaying, they will decide against it"

[scenic mirage]

remember, transporting fluids is harder than transporting ores

[ivory condor]

Sloshing is intended yes

[dapper cave]

ill cross that coneyor belt when i get there

[ivory condor]

And is the primary reasons mk2 pipes cannot output 600m3

[small crypt]

wanna know something crazy

i have 2 pipelines that go up about 300 meters with no pump, no water tower

[ivory condor]

So one could say its all intended, even if we dont like it

[small crypt]

yet somehow they just work

[scenic mirage]

why tho

[small crypt]

rocket fuel

[sterile blade]

Smells like vertical junction exploit

[scenic mirage]

i mean it works but itll take longer and it could have issues

[brittle dune]

Yes, that is a gas

[scenic mirage]

?

[brittle dune]

Those don't need headlift

[small crypt]

hmm, TIL

[scenic mirage]

ive never used the water tower strat w like 800 smth hours

[cursive topaz]

i got my hands on oil, and oh man phase 2 sucks, but phase 3 now thats phase

[small crypt]

same

[sterile blade]

There's some dark magic to exploit vertical junctions to get free headlift somehow

[scenic mirage]

oh what

[brittle dune]

Well its not free

You still need pump(s)

[ivory condor]

Junction cheats

Those are interesting, also junctions are black magic

[cursive crane]

Nope. Sloshing will be fixed by the 2/m difference. It cant run out. Thats exactly the point im making.

Sloshing doesnt just reduce the maximum. It needs extra to makeup for whatevers lost.

[brittle dune]

No way you're making back lost throughput to sloshing with only 2 per minute of wiggle room

[ivory condor]

Nothing will run out yes, because fluids will backup into the machines

[cursive crane]

2 over max consumption yes.

[ivory condor]

But if you need 600m3 out, that isnt fixed

[brittle dune]

Are you overproducing?

[sterile blade]

It might not always work, depending on how one builds (especially if FPS get bad), but even a little leeway is a huge deal compared to no leeway

[cursive crane]

Yall just dont read around here do you

[brittle dune]

That's a different thing

[scenic mirage]

no lol

[ivory condor]

Its like saying, well the fluid backs up in machines, no issues here clearly

[brittle dune]

I interpreted what you said as making and consuming 598 per minute

[cursive crane]

If youve ever worked in logistics you would know this is much more preferable than the alternative

[brittle dune]

What you say can be interpreted differently by other people than what you might have meant

[ivory condor]

Not when my fuel plants need 600m3

[small crypt]

then supply 600, use mk2 pipe, manifold, and itll work

[ivory condor]

And because of sloshing my pipes output like 530m3

[small crypt]

false

[cursive crane]

Make them need 550 or 500, and run a single other pipe that carries the rest and the problem is solved. The 598 was merely a single example.

[ivory condor]

So like 70m3 is lost because of sloshing

[cursive crane]

You dont just lose things to sloshing.

[brittle dune]

I did that once, prime sloshing time

[small crypt]

pipes dont lose throughput

[brittle dune]

Throughput is lost to any interruption if you can't make it back later
(such as sloshing when it comes to full pipes)

[supple canopy]

prefill your pipes people

[cursive crane]

It sloshes if it goes one way it has to come back the other as long as you are inputting literally anything into it

[small crypt]

the buffers fill, the pipes saturate

[ivory condor]

600m3 manifolds absolutely do if not looped

But its intended so its fine

[reef basin]

technically they do not lose throughput

just part of the throughput is flowing the other way

[ivory condor]

Well

That is sloshing after all

But thats why you loop, so thats captured

[cursive crane]

This is what im saying.

You temporarily [example]
Go down to 550, and need to slosh back to 650 to make up for it. But if a pipes maximum throughput is 600, you cant do that, which is the problem people experience with mk2 pipes

Hence, just give it enough room to slosh back and you wont have these issues.

[ivory condor]

Give it room to do what, go into another dimension that i cant use it

Doesnt sound practical, especially when i need that 600m3 out

Anyways back to looping pipes

[glacial totem]

So I built some Coal Power, it's still currently being powered by biomass.. when does it become self-powered? It's receiving water and coal but taking away the connector to biomass takes it offline

[tall lantern]

once it's fully running, and is actually plugged in to the same grid

[glacial totem]

Ok I think I got it

[tall lantern]

ie the power connection on the coal gen needs to connect to a power point that [connects to a power point that...] connects to the miners, water extractors, pumps

[glacial totem]

I just had to remove one of the connectors to the miner and it seems to be all green

[ivory condor]

Biomass generators will run to meet any power needs until coal can provide

Also makes biomass generators fine for backup power, as it will only run if other power sources cant provide

[glacial totem]

You guys seem to highly advise not moving your entire factory closer to the lake, right?

my beginner factory is a mess

[scenic mirage]

dont rebuild, just build another 😉

[tall lantern]

yup, no need to delete a working factory

you'll be spreading across the entire map, so no point trying to keep everything together

[small crypt]

you can try to keep everything together if you have nothing stressful going on IRL and just really need something to fuck your shit up rq

[cursive crane]

The amount of people that take way too long to understand that its all one map, you only choose where to start on it lol

[small crypt]

random seed would go hard

[brittle dune]

Satisfac2ry will be a rougelike /j

[small crypt]

hmm, how about a game where you play as a goat

[cold berry]

I love and don't love this, but the randomized nodes makes it a lot better now. I will have this island memorized by the time I am 80 unless they come out with a sequel, because this is going to be like OpenTTD for me and I'll just keep coming back, lol

I got this game this year and have 400 hours

;-;

[brittle dune]

It's probably going to me my first game to reach 1000h on steam

[cursive crane]

Handcrafted maps man. True artists they have at CS

[hard wolf]

what about lizard doggo as a playable character in goat simulator?

[cold berry]

It's really cool to run logistics differently through the same place. It's like this place is a fresh circuit board, and I am the transistors

[glacial totem]

So power is evenly distributed among daisy chained power lines,
But what is important is not connecting too many buildings to those chains?

[cold berry]

I am electricity

[small crypt]

i guess one cool thing about the static map is you can sit on google sheets and solve the entire game

then build a big train

[cursive crane]

You can connect powerlines any way you want. Basically the only thing that matters is you have enough. And its connected to whatever needs to be powered

[cold berry]

Randomized nodes means I need to get radars to do that ;,_;

[small crypt]

its kind of nice how everythings kind of simplistic, no real complexity or confusing and challenging processing chains, so if you wanted to just do a complete world node domination run it would be reasonable with some preplanning

[brittle dune]

The good ol power pole spam in the early game

[small crypt]

not the end of the world tbh you could just not do a ton until you get radars in midgame then spam them

[small crypt]

i actually never spammed power poles until hoverpak

then i covered the map

[cursive crane]

Ive been spending not an insignificant amount of timing clearing up my starting power lines.
Its certainly.... a project lol

[brittle dune]

Im on my way to eating up all the sulfur and quartz ngl

[brittle dune]

Well that's a different thing

[cursive crane]

Luckily I laid the groundwork for prio switches early on

[brittle dune]

I often end up with such a power pole mess clumped together

Especially cuz they just let you put a powerpole on an existing cable

Need more connections? Just slap down another power pole here

[cold berry]

This game is like factorio meets building game meets OpenTTD. But there's more OpenTTD than I expected. So many trucks and trains to route. So many. Once I set down a coal supply and the supply depot for it in this run I went "where's my engineer cap I wear for OpenTTD" (not a joke sorry)

A lot of the complexity is vehicle routing

[astral moth]

Oh right, can't we chain machine power lines now?

[brittle dune]

It's a MAM research

[astral moth]

Do power lines even have a max transfer rate in this game

[ivory condor]

After mk3 power poles

[astral moth]

I lowkey forgot

And if so I wonder what machine transfer rate would be

[wispy jetty]

Nope

[astral moth]

Damn that's wild, I've been playing industrialist too much

[brittle dune]

Not only high speed connectors for the research but computers too

[cold berry]

My copper is so satisfying in this run, because it fills up a truck station but it has a node next to it as well, so it trickles down slowly and then gets a dump. So weirdly satisfying to watch.

[wispy jetty]

If this game really was consistent on the electrical engineering side, it would be a nightmare to play as new player 😂😂

[glacial totem]

but can I quickly transport between factories later? I'm sick of walking

[astral moth]

You should try industrialist some time lol, it's quite realistic with power poles having transfer limits, and power sources like coal contributing to pollution that stunts tree growth eventually and creates a fog (aswell as a decreased money multiplier(

[cold berry]

I remember Minecraft mods that used accurate power shit. Multiple. Shudders

[ivory condor]

So we need a electrical engineering degree to play now

[tall lantern]

plenty of transport options, yes. even early on you've got the zipline and blade runners

[astral moth]

More like 10x more power lines, I imagine a coal power source hit the max transfer rate for 1 pole, meaning you'd need to replicate your power lines from your coal plants to your base for the amount of the coal plants you have

[ivory condor]

Nightmare

[brittle dune]

I always go on a quartz expedition early game for blade runners

[tall lantern]

same

[brittle dune]

It feels like not being able to breathe properly moving around without them

[hushed frigate]

made my first ever recycling plant, not too sure whether i should sink or use the plutonium rods

i am very scared to have to handle plutonium waste

[astral moth]

Unlocking the blade runners for the first time felt like such a power-up, I'd spend hours just slide jumping around the the desert with it

[brittle dune]

If you need the power, you can always just build x hours of waste storage

[ivory condor]

Though having a single power line able to carry hundreds of gigawatts of power is questionable

[rigid wedge]

cable loss would be funny too♿

[brittle dune]

And plutonium waste generates a lot slower than uranium always so

[astral moth]

Haha 😄

I feel like an npc thanks to that emoji

[astral moth]

Right, so the longer the cables the more energy loss to heat etc

[hushed frigate]

wouldnt the cables realistically melt transferring hundreds of gigawatts through relatively thin wire? not sure if theres any singular material that the satisfactory cables are made out of, but i feel like any material would generate that much heat with that absurd amount of power

[leaden turret]

they thought about doing that but decided not to

[astral moth]

Should be an April fools update: realism

[brittle dune]

gotta deal with ac and dc now

[leaden turret]

april fool's update: top-down 2d with fugly filter for factorio mode

[hushed frigate]

now you have to supply the correct voltage through transformers or your machines blow up

[astral moth]

And fluctuating ore drill production rate

[astral moth]

Truly, it is quite the marvel

[brittle dune]

No more infinite capacity superconducting cables

[ivory condor]

Why i said its questionable

[leaden turret]

tinfoil hat time: the cables don't transmit power, they instruct point-to-point transfers of electrons through a pocket dimension

explains why hover pack doesn't connect to cables, only power poles/connectors

[hushed frigate]

in full seriousness, i think it would be cool if you were forced to use different methods of transferring power for different powers

[brittle dune]

It's not the electron flow that transfers energy in electricity, its the electromagnetic field(s) in and around the wire(s)