satisfactory

[prime basin]

we make puppies and kittens into sloppy joes?

[hard wolf]

I'm building next to the central lake, so pure ingots is really good, which is also close to a bunch of coal nodes. thanks 👀

I already have electrode aluminum scrap as well, so that saves me having to work through my 17 remaining drives :3

I just found out that petroleum coke and coal aren't the same thing, but there are oil nodes nearby as well so it still works (probably)

not "not the same thing" so much as "not interchangeable"

[twin parcel]

The amount of refineries and pipes will surprise you .

[dense violet]

part of the benefit of electrode is there's a small output increase, but also if you're doing a big set up you only have to import a bit of oil instead of a ton of coal
you do have to process it a couple times on site though

[twin parcel]

Uh , do u guys use cheap silica or quartz purification for silica ?

[scenic mirage]

depends on what i have available around me

how much i need and stuff

[bleak mica]

does ada have to be so mean T_T

[hearty flame]

ye i always look at it then see if its more or less eficient than what i have

[hard wolf]

I'm ready (I think?) #screenshots message

[hearty flame]

get back to work, pioneer

[fluid sapphire]

You can make aluminum without any silica at all 🧠 ⚡

[hearty flame]

can you?

[fluid sapphire]

Sloppy alumina, default scrap, pure ingot

[hearty flame]

time to get hard drive hunting

[sterile blade]

Purely Sloppy Scrap

[twin parcel]

Nah I want to get more ingots from my scraps , and I don't mind adding silica

[fluid sapphire]

If you say so, I prefer the simplicity myself, made a plant that produces 4500 ingots, probably good enough for the rest my playthrough

Unless you're aluminum-maxing the yield matters little imo

[bleak mica]

just found this recipe, real game changer

[fluid sapphire]

very convenient and simple chain, even if the yield is a little bit worse

[remote marsh]

Is there a easy way to get all the harddrives, somerloops and mercer spheres fast?

[rain elbow]

why is the voice chat here so unused?

[dense violet]

use your scanner

[dense violet]

you mean the non existent voice chats in the server?

[rain elbow]

ye

wait what

[tall lantern]

it's being perfectly utilised, all 0 of 0 are in use

[rain elbow]

uhm, im certain yesterday i saw some vc channels

[cold berry]

Just add a "screaming room". 1 VC where the only rule is you have to shout

[tall lantern]

haven't been any voice channels in a looooooong time, if ever

[rain elbow]

damn im getting slightly mad

ok then following question, is there a discord server for satisfactory with vc?

[cold berry]

My computer/circuit factory is just missing reinforced plates and crystals. I'm using the crystal computer recipe. This is the first factory I've made that feels complex.

[fluid sapphire]

did you somehow skip over hmf 😄

[twin parcel]

Caterium computers would have been easier, only diff u add rubber

[twin parcel]

Meh they are not complex with iron pipes

[fluid sapphire]

more complex than computers

[crude canyon]

hmm, I could use hmf to test factory designs

[fiery pewter]

Iron pipe 😭

[jade epoch]

would railroad or drones be better for transporting my oil? packaged oil, that is.

[fiery pewter]

Gotta be the worst steel pipe recipe

[fiery pewter]

Depends on distance

And drones need fuel

Trains just use power

[crude canyon]

trains are way too op

[fiery pewter]

Nah

We do NOT need a train nerf

[jade epoch]

about half of the biome inbetween the extractors and where i need to get the oil

[crude canyon]

they're too good for short, and long range, with big throughput

[fiery pewter]

Just train that

Could even pipe that

[fiery pewter]

Yeah

But they're shit on really short distances

[fiery pewter]

Or wait on 1.2 and get that fluid truck

[jade epoch]

what about the normal trucks? it's packaged, not straight crude. i'm not sure how much it's gonna like the terrain though (dunes)

[fiery pewter]

Make road

And ur right, could go normal trucks

With a train you gotta have another freight car for packages

Train might be more compact than 2 trucks (or more) going back and forth

[crude canyon]

the new roads on 1.2 are pretty good
But i think we need a bunch of new stuff
like train station filters, or smaller stations for the carts

[hard ivy]

You don't
You can put the empties back into the same wagon that brought the full ones in

[fiery pewter]

And have a freight platform do something it can't do?

[jade epoch]

would be hilarious if they replaced drones with carrier pigeons for april fools day some time

[fiery pewter]

Or an entirely different station, which is more bulky?

[fiery pewter]

<@&370483737957236737> peak idea right here

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> swap the non-flying bird and drone meshes

[obsidian zodiac]

lol sending that to emmet now

[fiery pewter]

Which is loading and unloading at the same time

[hard ivy]

A station doesn't take up space on your main train line
A second train or a double length train does

[rain elbow]

how do i connect 3 water extractors to 8 coal gens? the water cannot be fully transfered

[hard ivy]

Just use 2 pipes

[fiery pewter]

But just a 2 freight car train tho

[fading viper]

one extractor on each side

and one in the middle roughly

[rain elbow]

how do i divide one of the extractors?

[fading viper]

is how i do it

[fiery pewter]

Pipe junction

[fiery pewter]

And I meant physical space

[fluid sapphire]

ah, yes, because as we know, the map is very small

[fiery pewter]

Just saying that 2 train stations is more bulky than 1 train station or 2 truck stops

[rain elbow]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1491748166347788450
would this work?

[fiery pewter]

Looks like it

[scenic mirage]

pipes take another victim

[fiery root]

Didnt even built the space elevator and got his hands on coal

[rough shore]

its not wrong tho 🤷‍♂️

wait isnt coal after phase 1?

[old parrot]

tier 3

[rough shore]

lmao

[rough shore]

i take it back

[old parrot]

should i actully make a mega factory or should i just keep making smaller factorys for each thing

[rough shore]

smaller factories are easier mega factory is cooler but they are all the same machines so they output the same

[reef basin]

megafactory is not recommended

[rough shore]

but its cool

[old parrot]

this is my 5th playthrough but ive always have been too lazy to build one

[rain elbow]

i dismantled it

[rough shore]

real question is why do u unlock a whole damn space elevator before normal elevators

[tall lantern]

moving things fast is easy, moving things fast safely is hard

ficsit don't want to lose their investment

[old parrot]

one is ment to put a bunch of stuff in space the other is decrotive

[sterile blade]

Priorities~

[rough shore]

elevators arent decorative pal

[old parrot]

pretty much

not as efficient as your legs

[sharp creek]

can i speak here?

[rough shore]

uh no sir

[old parrot]

no

[cold berry]

But two of my things already take Caterium, and I built the factory around a node of it, so I don't want to overstress the Quickwire requirements and need throughput from the trains

[sharp creek]

if factories are your power, what are you without them?

[old parrot]

nothing cuz factorys are all that matter

[cold berry]

I wish there was a pipeline Mk3. Mk2 is enough I guess but I wish

[fluid sapphire]

you are you, you are here and this is the stuff they dont want you to know

[sharp creek]

what is a factory?

[old parrot]

thing that makes thing

[sharp creek]

And what defines a thing?

[old parrot]

something is a thing

[sharp creek]

what what is something?

[old parrot]

a thing is something

[sharp creek]

then do you truly understand what you are talking about if you cant fully explain the topic?

[old parrot]

i am

[sharp creek]

do you truly know what a factory

is

[old parrot]

i think you arent truly understanding

play more satisfactory and you will understand

[sharp creek]

ok i came here to ask, what is the best turbofuel recipe? i currently am gonna use the standard one. but not sure if that is good

[old parrot]

where are you making it

[frosty sedge]

Whatever one is easier for you

[tall lantern]

"best" is always subjective and relative to your preferences

[sharp creek]

the one that makes most turbofuel and no polymer resin

[tall lantern]

since alts are all about tradeoffs. turbofuel ones are mainly "which resources do you want to use more/less of"

[old parrot]

just sink the resin

[tall lantern]

don't think you can avoid the resin, but yeah just sink it if you don't want it

[old parrot]

or turn it into more stuff

[sharp creek]

i mean there is a recipe for turbofuel that requires resin right? or am i dumb

[old parrot]

idk

[tall lantern]

none require resin, but making the fuel for it is gonna be making resin as a byproduct

[sharp creek]

k thx

[old parrot]

where are you making it tho

[sharp creek]

in the spire coast, im trying to use all the oil there, and leave the rest of the places for plastic and rubber

but i am ok to transporting materials long distance aslong as the materials dont require oil

[old parrot]

i like to make mine with the normal recipe at that big crator

[sharp creek]

k im gonna look at all turbofuel recipes in game and try to find a good one inshallah

[old parrot]

id say make the normal one at the big crator lake south

blue crater

[rough shore]

id say transport all the oil to that one small island and make a big oil thing there cuz why not

[fluid sapphire]

counterpoint, if you want a better return for your effort, hold out until you can make rocket fuel

[sharp creek]

maybe i will, but i already set up all the foundations of the factory adnd im just too lazy to remove them all

[sharp creek]

but to make rocket fuel, I NEED TURBOFUEL

[old parrot]

blue crater has all the stuff you need for the normal recipe

[fluid sapphire]

not necessarily

[sharp creek]

i know

but i already set up a factory there

[rough shore]

trains exist guys

[fluid sapphire]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=U4jGBVw5P4j783r9oHBK

[rough shore]

locomotives to be exact

[old parrot]

train

[sharp creek]

thats why i plan to make it in spire coast and transport stuff

[old parrot]

i love train

i was just working on getting it unlocked

[ornate saffron]

Choo choo

[sharp creek]

urmmm technically its a monorail

[sterile blade]

You might need some training to get them to work though...

[old parrot]

ern actully no one cares cuz train

[sharp creek]

struggled first time trying to set them up, i still dont have many trains in the world, only two connecting to collect plastic rubber and circuit, and one to collect aluminium

[sterile blade]

Once you manage to make a good rail, expanding on it is much easier than making the first parts ^^

[sharp creek]

actually i could unlock ionized fuel, would be hard but i could try, since i do have 100 speed up things

but first rocket fuel

[woeful whale]

Satisfactory is reportedly preparing a DLC — hopefully a new planet with new mineral resources.

[tall oyster]

I feel I’m gonna cause another issue but I need the horrible ratio of the iron pipe recipe

[rough shore]

like i said guys procedurally generated planet trust

[tall oyster]

Oh fr?
That’s sick!

[sharp creek]

i dont think want to build in spire coast anymore

[tall oyster]

Hopefully they won’t abandon the main game tho

[sharp creek]

i cant find coal with my scanner AT ALL

[tall oyster]

Isn’t there a huge node near there?

[sterile blade]

"Reportedly" from a stream, I imagine...?

[tall oyster]

Like 3 pures

[rough shore]

all nodes are the same size pal

[tall oyster]

No no as in like pure sorry 😭

[sharp creek]

closest one is 1800 meters away

[tall oyster]

Bit tragic

[sharp creek]

oh my

[tall oyster]

Where is the spire coast again? I’m still on my first play thru even tho space elevator 4 and I have no idea ab the map very well lmao

[fluid sapphire]

whats the source for this?

[sharp creek]

one place has 4 pure coal nodes but i need to go 2000 meters

[tall oyster]

Oof

[sharp creek]

and also guys how do i even calculate train throuput

[sterile blade]

Tbh, I don't dislike the idea of Nodes having different sizes (just a visual difference) depending on their purity

[reef basin]

can also just make normal fuel and then nuclear

[dense violet]

time it, does it fill up the car before it comes back? you need more througphnut

[sharp creek]

i know but i want both

[tall oyster]

True! But I think it’s a small thing that won’t really change gameplay or aesthetics that much

[south sinew]

or use the nitric rocket fuel alt

[sharp creek]

i just want more power its satisfying

[fluid sapphire]

in short you need your train to carry enough supply to last the round trip + loading and unloading times (+some headroom to account for potential traffic)

[tall oyster]

I also think if any of you saw my world you’d all have a cardiac arrest

Although it’s recent got better!

[rough shore]

i had a cardiac arrest imagining it only

[sharp creek]

Can i join you to see?

[dense violet]

simpler to not care about mess worlds

[sterile blade]

Such a small thing that I'm too lazy to make a QA post about it

[tall oyster]

I mean yeah sure but it’d have to be later!

[sharp creek]

as long as its not lets game it out level of crazy

[tall oyster]

Lmao it’s got better I promise! But it’s my first world so you can imagine the starter area

[tall oyster]

True…
I’m too chuddy for that

[fathom pier]

i just realized how good of a deal i got when i bought the game 4 years ago

[tall oyster]

Lmk in ab 8hrs that’s when I’ll be on university is killing me

[sharp creek]

WHA TH THELL IS DARK MATTER

[tall lantern]

matter that's dark

[tall oyster]

Matter that’s not light

[south sinew]

Let us know and you could win a Nobel Prize

[fathom pier]

i just checked the current price hahahh

[tall oyster]

My guy just another me

[fathom pier]

i got the whole thing for 15 bucks

[fluid sapphire]

great deal even at full price, and i dont say that often about games

[sterile blade]

I never did... 😅
When there is just one full belt (or less) per freight, I don't even need to worry, but if it's more I just check wether the system keeps up (ie: wether items pile up at the source or not)

[sharp creek]

should i do ionized fuel or dont?

[tall oyster]

True
I’ve been trying to get my mates to play it but they refuse to for some reason even tho it’s a game I know they’d like!

[south sinew]

ionized fuel is only for personal jetpack, it's terrible for power generation

[fathom pier]

true true but the 15 euro is like insanely disproportionate to the game i got for it

[fluid sapphire]

production of ionized fuel is energy negative - best used for jetpack or drones

[remote marsh]

drones?

[tall oyster]

God my power grid is awful you’ve just reminded me lol

[sharp creek]

ohhhhh ok thank you

[south sinew]

eh if you want

[fluid sapphire]

rocket fuel is more than good enough for drones though

ionized mostly makes them go zoomier

[rough shore]

yeah but like fast is cool

[remote marsh]

yh

[fathom pier]

then choo

[tall oyster]

Is it worth investing in rocket fuel?

Cause I’m awful at pipes

[sharp creek]

now that i think about it, what are geysers even used for other than power

[rough shore]

bro its pipe from point a to point b fr

[remote marsh]

is there a easy way to skip exploring without cheats?

[tall oyster]

No I know twin it’s just I’m a literal spaztic

[tall oyster]

Radar?

[remote marsh]

ik but i mean go and grab all the items

[rough shore]

well thats just cheating lmao

there is no way to cheat without cheating

[tall oyster]

Oh hyper tube cannons? Idk man I haven’t explored it all either

[sharp creek]

dont understand how pipes confuse people

[cold berry]

I heard 4-car trains (1 engine 3 cars) is optimal, but are 5, 6 and 7-car trains like, bad?

Can't I just use more to compensate for speed?

[tall oyster]

I said it above man I’m just a spaztic 😭

Plus it’s my first play thru and I didn’t know atp

[sharp creek]

it also takes alot of space, 7 freight stations is insane imo

[tall lantern]

1 engines per 4 carriages, not just strict 1 to 4

[sterile blade]

You can add locomotives to the front or the back of the train...aybe even in the middle?

[tall lantern]

and that's just a guideline, may be able to do fewer engines

[sharp creek]

wait what happens if i like put multiple engines, how fast could the train go

[rough shore]

100 cart trains are funnier tho

[tall lantern]

more engines = more acceleration and force, not better top speed

[sterile blade]

It just speeds up faster

[cold berry]

Does adding a second engine help speed? And does the second engine need to be fully "in" the train station array to count? If so, I may do 4-5 freight cars for my mega factory run

[sharp creek]

im gonna go to creative and watch it instantly go to max speed

[fluid sapphire]

you can make it easy, this easily divides into 4 blocks - then you can hook up each blender to its own set of generators

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=U4jGBVw5P4j783r9oHBK

[remote marsh]

Meindratheal — 13:38
more engines = more acceleration and force, not better top speed

[tall lantern]

the engine guidance is more for hills and assuming full carriages. if you're on flats or less load, you might be fine with less

[cold berry]

That's kinda what I meant, thanks. I didn't expect the top to go up, just acceleration and deceleration

[tall oyster]

Oh awesome 🩵

[sharp creek]

i said i would go max speed instantly not go light speed, difference here

[sterile blade]

Adding locomotives increases acceleration, for the same top speed.
I know that (after the initial locomotive on front of the train) you can add more locomotives both or the front or the back of the train, but I don't know wether it's possible to add them between cars too (still, the station layout must account for this, possibly by adding empty platforms)

[rough shore]

one train with 2 billion engines and 2 billion carts

[tall lantern]

you definitely can

[cold berry]

5 freight, 7-long trains it is then. Thanks everyone. Then a sorting engine at the end. And I think it'll be raised, with a truck station array below it.

[tall lantern]

my old nuclear train was engine, 6 carriages, engine, 6, engine, 6, engine

and now engine doesn't look like a real word

[rough shore]

there should be a world limit on trains only 1

[tall lantern]

there already is, you can indeed only have 1 world per train

they are sadly not interdimensional travel capable

[cold berry]

Can I make a bidirectional train station? Like, with one train station going one direction, the other going the other? I don't need this, and I won't use it. I'm just curious if that's possible.

Someone crazy could make that work. Not me lol

[dense violet]

platforms shoudl only connect to 1 station afaik, but you could jsut ahve 2 stations basically connected facing dif ways

[rough shore]

thats crazy

rephrase: there should be a limit of one train per world

[fiery pewter]

They're fairly easy to make

[sharp creek]

it doesnt accelerate as fast as i though

[sharp creek]

i saw it in a vid once if i think i know what you mean, yeah its possible, not that complicated pretty sure from what ive heard

[fluid sapphire]

how fast do you accelerate then that you are faster than a train

[merry rapids]

biomass is so much better than leafs 😄 just realised that

[sharp creek]

Slide jumping is pretty cool, as fast as a train if you do it right

[fiery pewter]

Wait until you hear about solid biomass

[fiery pewter]

True, and don't encounter a slight incline

[fluid sapphire]

wait until they hear about coal 🧠

[fiery pewter]

Ionized fuel

[sharp creek]

Wait till they here about fuel

[fluid sapphire]

thats energy negative

[fiery pewter]

Ficsonium too

[fluid sapphire]

dont know about that one

[spare prism]

GOOD MORNING

[fluid sapphire]

probably positive

[fiery pewter]

Not with all uranium

Without converting

The power gained from burning all that plutonium mostly goes into refining waste into ficsonium

And ficsonium burns shit

1/min

[sterile blade]

Ficsonium should be barely positive, unless there's some serious slooping/clocking involved

[fluid sapphire]

then i will probably just stick to sinking plutonium rods when i finally get around to my own plant in another couple hundred hours

although, it will probably not take that long to get there given all the homework i have done

[sterile blade]

That's what most people do...
It's not just that Ficsonium is barely net positive on power (just ran some numbers, ~20 GW used to make 10 rods/min, 25 GW' worth), it also guzzles a lot of resources and need high-tier items... Big hassle for small return 😅

[fluid sapphire]

i imagine it may be a fun project if you are running out of things to do

[sterile blade]

I just realized that the power return is so small it would actually be negative if one overclocked everything to the max

[fluid sapphire]

ah... so the key is to severely underclock everything for a positive return 🧠

[rough shore]

underclock every single machine in the world to 1% and just place 99 more of it 🤷‍♂️

[fluid sapphire]

i already underclock often just to fill more space with machines

the small power savings is just a nice bonus

[sterile blade]

That's not a strategy I see adopted often, but surely works out well in that regard ^^

[fluid sapphire]

why build few machine when many machine do trick

yeah most people seem to lean towards the other end of the spectrum, everything needs to be compact

i only overclock if space is tight, which is rare

[tall lantern]

does that factor in the gain from being able to burn the plutonium too? since it's probably fairer to compare wasteless with wasteless

though it is still useful to know how little a gain it is if you are just storing plut waste

[sterile blade]

No, just the Ficsonium part.
Plutonium alone should be enough to make it positive, but that's overshadowed by Uranium anyway 🤷‍♂️

Ie: full nuclear is always positive, even with Ficsonium

[sharp creek]

btw is there a way to get an exact amount of material you need for the dimensional depot? cause i keep pulling stacks or all of them

[dense violet]

you have inventory space for a reason

[fluid sapphire]

you can refill an already existing stack by dragging on top if it, thats about as close as it gets

[sharp creek]

oh ):

[sterile blade]

That needs unlocking the tech for it first though

[frosty brook]

Hey guys is geothermal power considered green power?

[sterile blade]

Technically, Coal power is renewable too on Massage 🤓

[fluid sapphire]

i thought they were asking about pulling from the depot, not uploading to it from the inventory

[sterile blade]

Ohhh, now I get what you meant. Nice one

Didn't know about it yet

[vapid cove]

hi guys can someone explain how fluid splitting and generaly pipes work?

[fluid sapphire]

its neat, i use it to refill stuff like ammo, nobelisks and jetpack fuel all the time

[marsh ocean]

hi guys, can someone pls vc me and help me out with train signals?

[sterile blade]

You might want to try #1038092680493801533 or #1201555265942724758

[marsh ocean]

ok thanks

[frosty brook]

Well the thing is right now u can make very reliable power using nuclear and coal ofc. but the geothermal power is kind of unreliable cause it doesnt make steady power.
Now that weather is a thing in 1.2.. would't solar panels or wind mills also be a cool thing? cause solar panels only work good on a clear sky bright sun... butttt since weather and night... it wouldnt be good as a main power source.

Maybe there is a specifc reason this hasnt been added yet and i wanna know.

[fiery pewter]

It has been said that green power will not be added

[sterile blade]

Generally, the devs are against "free power" generators.
Geothermal is an exception in that it has only some fixed places (which makes a decent argument to add hydropower), but solar/wind is out of the question as one can just spam it across the map

[fiery pewter]

So anything to do with solar, hydro-electric or wind

[frosty brook]

ahh okay that makes sort of sense?

[reef basin]

pipes are bidirectional and sort-of work like irl - fluid sloshes around, goes where there's less fluid, likes to go downhill, hates to go uphill. Pumps set "headlift" which is "how high can fluid go".

as for splitting, fluids go where they please 🙂

[fiery pewter]

Hydropower would still give steady power

[frosty brook]

yes/no

[fiery pewter]

The good old yesn't

[frosty brook]

moon

[fiery pewter]

The humble valve:

[fiery pewter]

Tides are not a thing in Satisfactory

[sterile blade]

Also, the "unstable power" part is just a gimmick, imo... XD
The power they give can be easily stabilized using power storages

[reef basin]

the humble valve:
doesn't do anything useful and breaks some setups

[fiery pewter]

Indeed

[frosty brook]

fair, it was just a taught and wanted to know.

[vapid cove]

heh, thanks, you helped alot, realy thanks ❤️

[frosty brook]

should add solar panels for april first and instead of giving power it drains it

decoration piece

[fiery pewter]

What if you put all the variable power usage buildings on the same grid as all geothermal generators

[sterile blade]

I think you completely got the devs' stance on the topic ahah (as far as I myself can tell at least)

[fiery pewter]

<@&370483737957236737> lot's of good april fools ideas here

[remote marsh]

can trains derail from going to fast?

[sterile blade]

Now we're talking good power lines... Everything else can then be as flat as one can manage

[fiery pewter]

No

[remote marsh]

okat hx

[fiery pewter]

alleen bij botsingen of einde van het spoor zonder buffer stop

[frosty brook]

hey effe lief doen

[fiery pewter]

And back to English only

[frosty brook]

okay

[fiery pewter]

Just giving info

[fiery pewter]

Kinda the rules

[frosty brook]

yea yea yea

[sterile blade]

Playing with fire is what you're doing
||Sarcasm disclaimer||

[fiery pewter]

Lmao

Bammer

[sterile blade]

... I now feel an urge for an emoji of a buffed lizard doggo with red eyes holding a bammer...

[frosty brook]

guys do you make 1 big grid or are you like me and do you also make substations ect?

[reef basin]

usually 1 grid, now that we have priority power switches

[sterile blade]

I like to go for 2 when I have the patience for it...

[frosty brook]

i put those in the power switches inside the substation

[fiery pewter]

Photosop can do wonders

[bleak mica]

bruh why cant i just dump water automatically from refineries or something

[oblique aspen]

i have a main grid using power towers, and anytime a power tower goes into a factory i put a priority switch right there, putting in multiple grids with different cables on the map is too much of a pain for me 😄

[sterile blade]

Making buffed things is a tad above my skills 😅

[frosty brook]

#design-and-architecture message i put my reference here

[fiery pewter]

I mean you can flush the pipe system but then that will be your full time job

[bleak mica]

that's not automatic yes

[fiery pewter]

Go hard drive hunting and get yourself the wet concrete recope

Also uses refineries but gobbles water

[oblique aspen]

because managing waste water is one of the intentional steps to handle in tier 7, pretty much

[fiery pewter]

And a bit of water

[sterile blade]

I once dragged a HOR pipe all the way from the HOR buffers to main base so that I could flush it without going to the oil place... 😅

[frosty brook]

overflow gate for pipes when?

[oblique aspen]

with fluids, just use gravity

[fiery pewter]

Pipes fill up eventually

[fiery pewter]

Lmfao

[fiery pewter]

Wet factory floors lmfao

Slippery slidey

[empty bridge]

hi all. My next objective is to Complete Phase 2. I have 3 different objects to build. I recognise one of them as Smart plating but the other two I have no idea what they are. Can anyone help?

[frosty brook]

that way i can drift the small car

[oblique aspen]

exactly, and if it still produces more then then the initial pipe, it'll flow over the custom overflow gate, thus you have created what was asked for

[bleak mica]

you can build assembeler and open recipes to see them

or open codex and browse it

[fiery pewter]

Versatile framework and automated wiring

[sterile blade]

You can check all the items and recipes aviable for them in the codex (or inside machines)
If you don't see the items you're looking for in the list, you might not have unlocked them yet (through milestones or MAM)

[fiery pewter]

Need (advanced) steel production first

[tidal thorn]

heya everyone, i have a quick question
when it comes to coal power, i should probably always always overclock power stations and coal miners to max, while leaving the water pumps at 100% or less, right?

[fiery pewter]

Entirely depends on how much power you need

[fluid sapphire]

check your milestones

almost always the answer

[oblique aspen]

imho, miners is the only thing you should ever overclock, since minining nodes are limited. Everything else is just a matter of space.

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't word this nearly as strongly

[tidal thorn]

tbh, i just want a coal node to just fully go into power

[sterile blade]

While I agree on the miner (can only build one per node, so it's best to get the most out of it), I don't get the logic on overclocking the generators

[hard ivy]

You can overclock things if that seems like a good idea to you

[tidal thorn]

save on space/materials, since their power production and resource consumption scales linearly

[hard ivy]

it's most worthwhile on miners but only if you have a use for the extra product

[oblique aspen]

there is plenty of space, and materials are infinite

but as others have said, you can play as you prefer 😄

[sterile blade]

Generators do be quite expensive... Though, that also points to the weakness of one's factory

[oblique aspen]

when i build my first fuel gen setup, i was always low on motors to spam them out, probably because i just finished the motor factory before and nothing stockpiled yet 😛

once storage is full .. you wont really empty it again, other hten maybe steel and concrete or some other fundamentals

[sterile blade]

I tend to use coupons to alleviate that 😅

[tall plover]

does it ever make sense to use ficsonium for fuel rods

[oblique aspen]

depends on your goal

[tall plover]

power

[oblique aspen]

for power? probably not, want to get rid of the plutonium waste in an automatic way? sure, thats basically what its for (imho)

[tall plover]

well i could also just sink the plutonium fuel rods

[oblique aspen]

you could, but that'll definitely cost you power not using them

[tall plover]

I technically have infinite resources, so thats not a problem

but for example

ionized fuel is a net negative

over rocket fuel

so im wondering if its the same if you use the uranium waste for plutonium/ficsonium fuel rods

[oblique aspen]

if i remember correctly, the plutonium waste -> ficsonium -> power plant part will mostly carry itself power-wise, so its at least close to neutral, while you gain the power from plutonium power plants

but its just one option to handle nuclear

[tall plover]

🫡

[tall plover]

yea im just trying something new this playthrough

[oblique aspen]

i'm not at nuclear yet in this save, but I figured I would try to go the full ficsonium route eventually

[sterile blade]

#satisfactory message

[median barn]

So I’m having a bit of… trouble. I’m new to the game with only a couple hours on the books(it’s like 90-ish and I’m an absolute scrub) but I’m having trouble like planning my factory growth. I’m currently on phase 2’s latter end and I’m unsure how I should factory build. Anyone have any advice?

My preference is not to have a giant eyesore mega factory but I also haven’t branched out into the beautification of my current setup…

[tall plover]

is that calculation done with overclocking the machines?

[dense violet]

pick an output goal (often for a milestone)
use a planner like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production
scout the map for an area that has most / all resources you need

[sterile blade]

No, 100% clock
Check my next message below that ^^

[tall plover]

did you also calculate the positive net gain for plutonium?

because you have to account for both

[sterile blade]

... That's still further down 😅

But no, they calculation was on Ficsonium only. That's the smallest (and less productive) step anyway

[tall plover]

ah i see

yea it was hidden in the underclocking topic

thank you

[white dawn]

My own advice is to generally follow "Independency," described here: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency. Basically, each factory only outputs to your own "personal" storage (ie: build gun use), and goes from ore->product. So you make yourself some Reinforced Iron Plates and then that factory is done; you never touch it again. Whenever any new factory needs more RIPs, it just makes what it needs right inside the new factory as an intermediate product.

In regards to the specific points you were asking about, IMO that makes for far easier decoration/beautification since the scope of each factory is nice and small. You're not dealing with an ever-expanding centralized monster; instead you've got a lot of smaller isolated factories which are Definitely Done, Functionally™, so you can focus on a smaller decoration project

In terms of decoration, IMO it's also far easier to experiment with techniques and iterate your design, since you've got a lot of opportunities to totally start over with it from scratch

(That benefit applies to the factory building itself as well)

And of course it encourages expansion around the map, so you can use of the map's natural beauty to make up for many deficiencies in your own decorating skills. :D

[median barn]

Okie so you’re thinking I should probably try out the “satellite factory” route(or whatever the normalized name is)

[white dawn]

I think "satellite factory" would generally imply that you've got satellites feeding material back into a "main" production area, which isn't quite what Independency is... With Independency your factories would basically never actually "talk" to each other.

But of course none of this is stuff you have to follow religiously. I recommend Independency all the time but I don't follow it exactly all the time. :D

[median barn]

Yeah! I definitely resonate with this. I want to explore the map, nab some hard drives, and just have fun… but the convenience of not leaving my “main base” has been a little bit of a hump to work around

[white dawn]

One wrinkle is that for later-game parts especially, my "factory" might actually be composed of various sub-factories which are geographically isolated.

Like I'll produce parts A, B, and C in their own isolated factories and then logistics 'em together for final assembly elsewhere. That can still be done with an "Independency" mindset, though, so long as those factories' only purpose is to supply that one factory line. It's still one "factory," it just happens to be spread out over a few sites. :)

[cold berry]

I've done microfactories, my next run is megafactory on randomized nodes, 50% power, 5-10x space elevator parts using what I've learned I think. I can't wait to get into doing a large scale shipping and sorting area TBH. And cross-country pipelines

[white dawn]

Easier to find locations with all the nodes around when you spread out a bit, for late-game parts

[median barn]

Ye that’s the beauty of this game. Everyone’s got their own flavor and expression. I was just meaning “satellite” because from what I’ve seen, those satellites still feed a “main adjacent” building area since you’ve gotta feed ADA/The Space Elevator

[white dawn]

One final note and then I'll shut up from my usual advocacy: You can also make use of Independency even if you do want to centralize production somewhere. If you're making ten different resources in the same facility, you can still have each product line totally isolated from each other (apart, probably, from sharing some resource nodes, etc). IMO that can lead to much cleaner looking factories even when you are centralizing to a degree

[verbal dagger]

uh, I'm not sure if this is a graphical glitch or what, but is my sky supposed to be sparkling? Its not like an aurora, it looks like bunches and bunches of idk, fireflies or fireworks?

[twin parcel]

it gets da job done , pure iron ingots really helpful for this

[white dawn]

So like maybe you're making the same intermediate product in like three or four locations in that "centralized" factory, but since the floors/sections/whatever don't really interact, the build can stay a lot cleaner. (Or at least it can stay a lot cleaner without all the extra work of trying to make a big production web)

[verbal dagger]

is this a graphical glitch? #screenshots message

[wise junco]

You unlocked nuclear death mode

[verbal dagger]

apparently

so saving and reloading didnt fix it

[median barn]

I seent that XD

[mystic urchin]

#screenshots message What graphical settings should I change so items on belts are not so blurry? I have everything maxed with motion blur disabled

[ornate saffron]

My gut reaction is turn off upscaling

[ornate saffron]

I think there is a setting specifically for belt quality somewhere. Ill look when i get a chance

[mystic urchin]

Yes I have it on ultra

Lowering it just makes it worse

Disabling frame gen does nothing

[white dawn]

AFAIK "Ultra" basically doesn't do anything noticeable, btw. If you flip to High you'll gain yourself some frames and essentially never notice the difference. (I'm just repeating info others have said; YMMV)

It's theoretically framegen which causes the items-on-belt weirdness, btw; did you do a full game restart after disabling? (I don't think that should be necessary but I suppose worth a shot)

[red sun]

Even if it does look better, I'd rather the extra fps over the marginal improvement to visuals

High is more than pretty enough iyam

Shit, even medium. This game is gorgeous in general

[sterile blade]

Ironically, a "fix" to bad FPS, for me, was increasing some settings from lowest to high/ultra...

[red sun]

That's odd

[sterile blade]

Mainly textures, iirc

[red sun]

Might have something to do with moving some work from your CPU to your VRAM or vice versa

Or something like that, I dunno

[rough shore]

this guy has no idea what he is saying ^

[sterile blade]

Fair guess, but I don't think it should apply here (I'd expect the opposite, where better textures may make me run out of vRAM and thus using normal ram, reducing performance)

[red sun]

Correct, not really

I just thought it would have something to do how often the CPU has to swap shit in and out of video memory

I'd assume if raising quality settings sometimes makes your game run better, something is bottlenecking it at lower settings

[sterile blade]

I just found it funny how immediate the result was for me. I had everything on minimum setting and was trying to see if reducing the resolution would make the FPS better... I can't even recall why I decided to up the textures alone, but things got immediately better if not even decent

[red sun]

Maybe your GPU isn't working as hard as your CPU is, so turning video settings up might help to balance shit?

[rigid wedge]

Is it gonna make me regret it later when I’m using only 1 line of rails and have trains run in a circle?

[red sun]

Again I'm waffling, I don't know for sure

[red sun]

I should try that

[tall lantern]

probably, though solvable. One long ring means a loooong round trip for what could be a much shorter return journey

single-direction tracks are good, just consider more than just one ring

whether that's the standard double rail, or a rail that peels off the main loop and rejoins at an earlier point

[rough shore]

why one ring when multiple rings that lead to even more rings

[rigid wedge]

Main reason is me trying to wrap my head around routing that through the forest cliff thing on the bottom left of the map

[rigid wedge]

Audi

[rough shore]

make trains only move in roundabouts no straight lines

they dont make trains tho

[sterile blade]

I mean, it's worth to try 🤷‍♂️
Worst case scenario, you just go back to your old settings

[red sun]

Just did now, and my frame rate is either exactly the same or very very very slightly higher

Pulled up my steam hardware usage stats and it looks like I still have 3GB of VRAM going unused lmao

[sterile blade]

BTW, on the other side of this, if you're on PC there's ways to make the graphics better (and the FPS worse)

[red sun]

I don't need hundreds and hundreds of frames per second for a game like this, 60 is ample

[rigid wedge]

Or I could just split them going different paths and merging together once the terrain becomes less cramped again

[rough shore]

60 is very much enough

[red sun]

That said I have a 2080 super and a 3440x1440 monitor which should be a recipe for disaster, but I'm still getting a pretty solid 70 fps in Rocky Desert which is, fair play, really good

Most other games with a similar environment that I've played would be getting quite a bit less

Of course there's variables there but you get my point

[rough shore]

fps is just a number guys

[red sun]

Ftr yes I am planning on upgrading the GPU very soon

[rough shore]

how soon

[ornate saffron]

Really depends on your long term plans. If you plan on a complex intergrated rail system, ya itll be a issue.

but if you have no plans then keeping it simple and just adding stand alone rails for other things is fine

[wispy sun]

where can i usually find caterium nodes in the rocky desert?

[red sun]

Within the next month or so if all goes well

[rigid wedge]

im planless

[rough shore]

so soon

[rigid wedge]

just overthinking as always

[red sun]

There's a (I think) pure node due north of the big lake

[rough shore]

no clue

[wispy sun]

the lake that is located on the left side of the map?

[red sun]

The lake off to the west of the cliffs next to crater lakes, yeah

[wispy sun]

ah okay thanks

[tall lantern]

also a node on one of the big rocks out there

[red sun]

I think that's the one I'm looking at yeah

It's on top of a hill rock thingy

[rough shore]

u can place the miner on the node i think

[bleak mica]

man game gets genuinely scary at night in the woods with these damn spider things

especially with huge jumping ones

also just found the circuit board without copper recipe

[ornate saffron]

ya, Caves can be creep too.

in the Rocky desert there is a cave system the spans the eintire width filled with SAM and Quartz.

Also packed full of spider. I suggest building your MK6 Belt infrustructure in there with no lighting. Seeing the end game machines run with spiders watching from the viens on the ceiling has a VIBE

[rough shore]

do spiders respawn when u annihilate them?

[white dawn]

Enemy mob spawnpoints will, indeed, eventually respawn the mobs, unless you've been building factory stuff near the spawn

[rough shore]

what if u build a cage at their spawn

or will they stop spawning

[white dawn]

Each thing you build has some "don't allow enemy spawnpoints near hear" point value -- powered buildings are worth more than unpowered buildings, for instance. But even a sufficient number of, say, foundations will eventually disable the nearby spawn

[rough shore]

thats so lame

[white dawn]

(dismantling the buildables would re-enable the spawn; it's not permanent)

[white dawn]

I mean, if you don't want to deal with combat you can just set creatures to Peaceful. :)

[rough shore]

no i just want to put them in a cage forever

[mystic urchin]

I have 90 FPS, I don't need extra frames
But that doesn't matter when the items look like shiet on any setting

[white dawn]

IME a couple of hooked-up Power Storages are enough to disable most spawns

[bleak mica]

I had blurriness when game ran in windowed fullscreen. It was rendering at lower resolution than what was set in the settings

[mystic urchin]

Changed to fullscreen, still blurry items on belts

[bleak mica]

did you change render resolution?

[fluid sapphire]

are you using upscaling?

right.. already went over that

[sharp creek]

bro whats wrong with my factory

[rough shore]

prob something

[ornate saffron]

likely user error

[verbal dagger]

you were right. I turned off upscaling and it went away.

[sharp creek]

ohhh

[weary condor]

If I had to guess you prolly made a carry the one mistake somewhere

[rough shore]

there is a tiny belt that looks connected to a splitter but it isnt

[weary condor]

If its all on one floor go in photo mode and fly up with decoupled camera (P+R) to look for yellow lights

[weary condor]

9 times out of 10

[ornate saffron]

Good to hear ^)^

[sharp creek]

it was pipe problems ):

[weary condor]

Mk1 or mk2?

And were you able to fix?

[sharp creek]

EVERY SINGLE TIME I FIX ONE PROBELM FOR A PIPE AND A SECOND ONE APPEARS

mk1 pipe each sepperated to carry 100 water

connected to blender

[weary condor]

Btw does anyone know if it’s possible to place pipes already painted with copper finish? Similar way to how you can place foundations with concrete customization applied already?

[weary condor]

Yeah they do that lol

[sharp creek]

bro

it wasnt connected to the pipe floor hole

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 with overhead shots

[weary condor]

Always feel free to make a post in #1038092680493801533 if you cant figure it out on your own

[sharp creek]

you were right

[weary condor]

Are you bottom feeding?

[sharp creek]

what does that mean

[weary condor]

Feeding machines fluids from below

It tends to work out very poorly, so most people avoid doing it wherever possible

[ornate saffron]

Gravity effects fluids. So it is best to supply inputs with a pipe that is on the same level or above the input

[sharp creek]

yeah

dont worry all my factory is now green lights, i fixed it alhamdulilah

[weary condor]

Alr glad to hear it

If you run into more fluid issues I’d start by checking the bottom feeding, its very easy to mess up

I personally do bottom feeding a TON because I think it looks cool and idm tearing my hair out

But thats just me lol

[sharp creek]

i like bottom feeding too cause atleast with bottom feeding, i dont really have to crash into pipes most of the time

[mystic urchin]

I am not gonna go lower than my native resolution

[ornate saffron]

this is why i like top feeding.

gravity forcces it down into the machine but gravity prevents to from backflowing into the feed pipe

[weary condor]

I mostly like that it allows me to make my belts look cooler

And lets me do silly unnecessary things with conveyor lifts

[sharp creek]

i just put my belts on the bottom floor because I hate them and dont want to see them ever again.

and because the atrocities that happens on the bottom floor

[weary condor]

Rude lol

[sharp creek]

stays on the bottom floor and doesnt come out much

[weary condor]

I like working with belts bc theirs always an opportunity to try something new

I especially love finding ways to interlace mergers/splitters/lifts/stacked belts

[sharp creek]

i like splitters and mergers, they are fun, same with stacked belts. these are when i bring them up

but when moving the final product out of my factory i move it down

because problems may occur and i dont know what conventional ways to do it (stuttering

[weary condor]

Wdym move it down?

[sharp creek]

bottom floor

and push it out of a floor hole or wall hole

[weary condor]

Big habit of mine is taking things out of the building and back in w/ conveyor walls (as in before the finish product is made)

[bleak mica]

that's not what i asked

[weary condor]

I feel it adds dimension to the building

[mystic urchin]

You asked if I changed my resolution
I gave you an answer why I did not

[ornate saffron]

@lilac monolith

I'm in this #screenshots message ,and i dont like it

@lilac monolith Im on break at working eating a slab of cheese and pepperoni

[weary condor]

Yeah for factories with multiple floors I’ll usually start the production chain on the first floor and then move upward as needed. I have lift floor holes built to start with so I can work backwards as needed

[sinful roost]

[bronze kindle]

hello may i ask how i can "clear" my hot bar at the bottomn (the shortcuts)

so the spots are empty again + what is that circled number at the left side ?

[weary condor]

Open build menu and double press the number for a slot while hovering over a buildable

[weary condor]

The circled number at the left side is which hotbar you have selected. You can have (iirc) up to 8 unique hotbars and switch between them as needed

[white dawn]

You have 10 total hotbars to use; I believe it's like alt-scrollwheel to cycle between them (though it's been awhile so my memory for exact keys for a lot of stuff has faded)

[bronze kindle]

interesting

alt scroolwheel aint it for me - i'll look into the settings

[bronze kindle]

thanks :)

[ornate saffron]

left alt + scroll wheel.

[lilac monolith]

I hope my very fast editing skills are up to scratch

[bronze kindle]

doesnt work for me, i binded alt so smth diff

[weary condor]

Happy to help

[ornate saffron]

ah

[weary condor]

Check keybinds, im sure its in there somewhere

[clear aspen]

Hello chat

[weary condor]

Ello ello

[clear aspen]

Hru

[weary condor]

Im chillin wbu

Doin some light schoolwork rn

[clear aspen]

I’m also jus chillin

[bronze kindle]

mind if i ask what blueprints i should start making

like what do you recommend having for sure

[sharp creek]

you dont have to reall, but having something like a 4 constructor manifold could help

[supple canopy]

sometimes alt just doesn't work for some people, normally you're supposed to be able to apply a material to every relevant assets in a hotbar by pressing alt+hotkey if said hotkey in bound to a material, never worked for me past like U6 or U7

[weary condor]

I personally like having modular blueprints I can use to build roads

[next ivy]

just blueprint anything thats tedious and repetetive

[sharp creek]

oh yeah airhead said roads, but generally any build NON FACTORY RELATED, that will be most likely repeated multiple times example: multi conveyor transporter, train spirals, roads etc:

[elfin smelt]

I personally make my blueprints organically: when I notice I'm building the same patterns repeatedly, I then consider making a blueprint out of it

otherwise I spend a lot of time designing blueprints I never actually use

[bronze kindle]

i have many problems with roads and trains atm, if they are the same height no problem, but to make turns and to go up/down is a hell, i still didnt figure it out 100% + i get clipping issues... but probs will figure it out sometime

[elfin smelt]

be sure to always have materials to make a blueprint designer on the spot because this moment can happen anytime

[weary condor]

100% agree

[bronze kindle]

i just started investing more time into alien technology, that thing is practically asf

[sharp creek]

what happens if i sink a somer sloop or mercer sphere? or try to delete them in my inventory

[elfin smelt]

the fabric of reality bends and the world ends

(IRL)

[mystic urchin]

You can't sink them

[sharp creek]

and delete?

[mystic urchin]

No idea

[reef basin]

probably also no

though if you somehow get rid of it, then what happens is that you got rid of it 🙂

[white dawn]

I think you can technically get rid of anything via the HUB toilet

But yeah, should you be successful, no consequences apart from depriving yourself of one of the few limited resources in the game. :)

[reef basin]

one of two 😄

[clear aspen]

What’s up chat

[merry rapids]

learning the game 😄 wby?

[faint willow]

man i really dont get this game sometimes

specifically the random frame drops are getting a bit annoying

gotta restart my pc every time, seems to be the only way to fix it

[trim flare]

is 157.5 stacks of solid biofuel a lot?

[bronze kindle]

my friend here destroyed the whole forest

[weary condor]

Depends

[faint willow]

trees are not necessary for ficsit data procurement

[trim flare]

173h in my first playthrough

[bronze kindle]

Any recoms where i could build a cool space elevator space ?

like i wanna build some type of main base i'd say, but idk where and idk anything abt "good looking architecture"

[dense violet]

have you unlocked all the miltestones and content in the game?

[bronze kindle]

nope

[dense violet]

probably wouldn't worry about it at that point, you don't have half the tools or items to build it and doing 'good looking architecture' really needs managing logistics really well

[bronze kindle]

is there that much to come in phase 4 ?

[empty bridge]

Hi All. I'm on the Complete Phase 2 part of the game and have just unlocked the ability to scan for Coal. As this is over 1000m away should I pack up all my stuff and move closer to where I'll be mining coal?

[faint willow]

having one of the better starting areas on the first map have two impure limestone nodes hurts the soul ._.

[bronze kindle]

i dont think it's really needed

pack the material you will need for a power plant and some coal production, build it there - use zipline/blades to move in between

that's how i did it all the time

[dense violet]

a fair bit, and you ge tthe practice you need planning layouts.

[dense violet]

the game forces you to spread out, and you should have coal closer than 1000m for your steel

what area did you start in?

[empty bridge]

grass

[dense violet]

there should be scattered coal in a lot of directions, share a ss of your map?

[empty bridge]

there is but the nearest coal is like 700m away (not 1000)

[white dawn]

There's at least one convenient coal node over by the big arch thing in the southeast, if nowhere else

[dense violet]

that's fine, make some steel there

[white dawn]

For power-generation purposes, I'd recommend finding a place where there's coal+water right next to each other, which yeah, may be 1km or so away

[dense violet]

the little island in the SW is convenient for steel

and yeah, if you want coal POWER there's 4 nodes north north west of you next to a lake

[white dawn]

But yeah, as CobaltOfDoom said, this will be the first of many instances of the game encouraging you to expand. :) No need to move any existing factories; can just build new stuff elsewhere

"Outposting" or independent factories can be a great time. :)

[faint willow]

do power slugs respawn or is there a limited number per map?

[white dawn]

I always recommend that folks try to avoid the "main base" mentality in general. Instead of a "main base," just have factories, sited near nodes which make sense for what that factory produces. :)

[white dawn]

Limited number, but in the late game (Tier 9) you can fully automate power shard production without slugs. And you can tame lizard doggos before then, who will give you slugs for free periodically. (And even with just the slugs on the map, you can make over 5k power shards)

[faint willow]

sweet, and is there much functional difference between the blue and yellow ones?

[dense violet]

you get more shards from yellow

[cedar iris]

lizard doggos

[bronze kindle]

blue gives you 1 shard, yellow 2, purple 5

[cedar iris]

infinite slugos

[faint willow]

gotcha, got my work cut out for me then

[ornate saffron]

SLOOP!

Blue 2
yellow 4
purple 10

[bronze kindle]

i hate destroying factories

[cedar iris]

you should play factorio

[dense violet]

mostly use them in your miners , using them in other machines only saves you space

[ornate saffron]

ya, i just dont do it

[white dawn]

Yeah, tearing down factories isn't worth it (IMO). Just let 'em stay there, and build new instead.

[faint willow]

also i gotta remember to use the awesome shop, didn't realize that's where you get the cool customization for walls and stuff

[white dawn]

I admit I do often end up tearing down my very early-game starter factories (pre-coal) but that's about it

[bronze kindle]

i need the ressources tho, it is the "perfect" spot i'd say

[obsidian zodiac]

just leave them, its a great abandoned mall aesthetic

[bronze kindle]

i often just delete and then deleta a lot of the materials..

[white dawn]

There's a ton of "perfect spots" on the map. It's a bigger map, with far more resources, than many folks realize. :)

[bronze kindle]

huh fr? it says smth different in my game

[white dawn]

Like you really have to specifically try hard to literally exhaust resources on the map. Like it more or less has to be an explicit goal of yours

[ornate saffron]

the only setup i consistently tear down is coal power. Often this is done in stages. As i need the coal

[next ivy]

with sloops yes

[white dawn]

The only real exception is folks going for the Ficsonium nuclear route -- it's not too hard to realize you're exhausting SAM with that

[bronze kindle]

i still need to explore the whole map tbh, i'm thinking abt rrunning arround with a radar tower and discover the whole map

[ornate saffron]

you use a constructor with a somers loop installed to get those numbers

[bronze kindle]

AHHH

[bronze kindle]

i dont have that unlocked yet

[fiery pewter]

#screenshots message
L I N E

[white dawn]

Keep exploring, and check your MAM frequently for things you can research. Research anything you can in there. :) You'll get to it!

(Though also be sure to take your time and enjoy yourself; you're not on a timer! Though I admit that getting out of the biofuel-collection-loop is a pretty good incentive)

[bronze kindle]

i'm pretty caught up in my mam i'd say... not much i can do except that alien thing which is kinda tiring for me

[scenic mirage]

is there a fluids drone? or do i need to package stuff

[bronze kindle]

i'm currently at phae 3 with all milestones done

[ornate saffron]

you need to package

[white dawn]

It's the alien technology tree which would give you the ability to double the amount of shards you get from your slugs. :)

[bronze kindle]

currently trying to automate computers/heavy modulars

[bronze kindle]

well i have the nercer sphere thing started

nercer or mercer i forgot

[cedar iris]

nercer sphere

[white dawn]

There's more than just Mercer Spheres in there. :) Explore some more!

[fiery pewter]

Mercer

[faint willow]

nerdcer sphere

[bronze kindle]

pretty much the same

[cedar iris]

nurse-r sphere

[bronze kindle]

[faint willow]

quick, you're now imagining matthew mercer in a nurse joy cosplay

[fiery pewter]

Nurse-r spear

[bronze kindle]

is like 5computers a min a good start? i need so many atm soo idk..

[fiery pewter]

I mean a start is a start

[bronze kindle]

true

i can expand anytime

[faint willow]

the factory must e x p a n d

[bronze kindle]

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE !!!!

[ornate saffron]

I did ten BUT i have prior game knowledge from previous completions with goals laid out. I do not suggest futur profing ^_^

[faint willow]

this factory is insufficient. ada, play my van halen playlist and upload pictures of ps1 spiderman to my hud. oh, and call my wife. im going to be late for dinner.

[bronze kindle]

lemme check if i can make 10/min easily

i just spamm my manifolds again :) (idk abt balancing)

well i'll make 10/min, actually pretty fine i jus need 480/min curde oil and 240/min copper

thought it would be far more complicated

[stone perch]

does anyone would know when could 1.2 come out ?

[rough shore]

probably in the future

[cedar iris]

it already is out, just switch to experimental :)

[stone perch]

there is problem , i cant use mods 🙁 like zoom mode

[faint willow]

just to be clear, power production would theoretically shut off if nothing in the system is using power, right?

[cedar iris]

well thats too bad

no

[cedar iris]

it does not

[sturdy delta]

Bio burners stop burning

[faint willow]

gotcha

[rough shore]

only bio burners but yes

[faint willow]

not at coal yet, not even sure how to do coal setups ngl but ill cross that bridge when i get there

[cedar iris]

bio burners only burn when needed

[rough shore]

but i mean all other power sources are automated so it doesnt really matter its not like the coal/whatever would deplete

[cedar iris]

biomass is technically infinite too

[rough shore]

u should try and get it as soon as possible its really simple just coal and water

[cedar iris]

since fauna respawn

[rough shore]

but its not automated

[cedar iris]

yeah

[faint willow]

seven bio burners actually carried me a lot further than i expected them to

[sturdy delta]

They’re great. Especially when you set them up with belts

[faint willow]

yeah once i got to solid i just kinda went ham with a chainsaw

came back with a full inventory of wood and bushes

[cold berry]

This is the way

To beat phase 1

[rough shore]

dont forget animals they give u hella lots of biomass too (ive heard ive only done chainsaw)

[faint willow]

paul bunyan type beat

[cold berry]

Then it lasts a little while until you get coal honestly. It's the fact that I believe they only draw the power they actually use, right?

[cedar iris]

100 biomass = 48 solid biofuel + 4 biomass

just remember that guys

[clear aspen]

Wsp chat

[cold berry]

I do a wood and leaf one, then I convert that space into one that can do all the monsters, mycelium etc as well

And convert the generators into just a DD setup

I never wanna run out of chainsaw fuel

[faint willow]

I had seven bio burners supporting:

• 1 limestone miner + constructor for concrete
• 1 copper miner + 2 smelters + 4 constructors for wires + 2 more constructors for cables
• 2 iron miners + 20 smelters

and was in the process of making constructors for the iron

[cedar iris]

20 smelters?!?

[faint willow]

this is why i went to bed at 1 in the morning, i do not make logical decisions

[cold berry]

1200 output at miner Mk 3. I find 9 works best, but like, 10 is a reasonable number per node if they're pure.

But

That sounds like it's earlier game than that

That's crazy lol

[cedar iris]

bio burners

how and why do you have 20 smelters on 2 mk 1 miners

not even pure nodes will be enough for that

[faint willow]

3 miners, all overclocked, i was getting upset before i realized my issue was moreso logistics-based

the splitters weren't working fast enough

[scenic mirage]

its your conveyors thatre limiting you, not the splitters

[rough shore]

u sir are clearly winging it and not giving a damn about the math ur doing great 👍

[unkempt blade]

Totally agree. Seems like a simple case of not enough factory carts

[faint willow]

once again, i attribute this to fatigue and frustration and have learned from my errors after realizing that the power draw had not kicked in yet

[unkempt blade]

vibe factories are better than sweaty factory engineering

[rough shore]

mr barry are u on some kind of substance

[chrome musk]

guys i got a problem, i got 175 plastic and i wanna split 100/75 how am i gonna do this? is it just not possible or is there any solution? because all the types of splitters only work with item filters not with number filters, or am i just stupid?

[rough shore]

i said he is doing great so 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt blade]

exactly, he's vibing like a vibestar

[faint willow]

no but i probably should be, i should not be stressing out over this game as if it was a job 💀

[cedar iris]

1 to 7 splitter then merge 4 and 3

[chrome musk]

alr thx

[muted pine]

@chrome musk split it 1:7 and there you go

ah s/he said it already ok

[chrome musk]

ye, thank u too

[unkempt blade]

you shouldn't be stressing over gaming OR a job - just phone it in!

[rough shore]

too slow ig

[muted pine]

too weak too slow

[cedar iris]

how to split 1 conveyor into 7 equally....

[ornate saffron]

first question

do you need to or will a manifold work?

[cedar iris]

idk

[muted pine]

well in case of emergency, 21 is divisable by 3 so you can probably go 1 -> 21 and then back to 7.

[cedar iris]

im not that good

[ornate saffron]

!wikisearch manifold

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[muted pine]

oh yeah the injection spaghetti-classic.

[ornate saffron]

manifolds self balance over time as each machine in the manifold fills

[clear aspen]

I wonder where on the nuclear power plant building the condenser is

[fallen orbit]

Well now satisfactory is my most played game ever

[ornate saffron]

im 4000 hours away from that still

[cedar iris]

yeesh

[fallen orbit]

4k is nuts bro what game do you have that many hours in

I only got 144 hours in satisfactory which is by the way quite a bit

[clear aspen]

U scared me I thought ur server tag was for novaonine

[cedar iris]

what is that

[clear aspen]

A bad person

[cedar iris]

i am that person 👹👹👹

no im kidding :3

[clear aspen]

I FIGURED IT OUT

WHY THE NPP HAS NO CONDENSER

[bold isle]

satisfactory is far from my most played game. i have over 2k hours in stellaris

[faint willow]

fellow stellaris enjoyer

[brittle dune]

damn, even after unlocking synthetic power shards you can't sink them?

[bold isle]

you just cant sink them lol

[clear aspen]

The cooling tower removes the LPS from the turbine, hence the reason it’s not closed loop

I’m so smart

[faint willow]

My top 5 are Factorio, HOI4, BG3, Crush Crush, and Valheim. HOI4 has just shy of 1600... that actually has me caught off guard...

Just checked

[brittle dune]

I guess when I get to quantum tech and start making them I'll just have to have the inputs of synthetic power shards be sunk once their storage gets backed up

[bold isle]

i still need to get factorio

[brittle dune]

cuz usually I have all end products feed into a bin and sink the overflow

[strange vortex]

Hello

[clear aspen]

Wsp

[strange vortex]

How is your life going?

[clear aspen]

Wdym

Ahh

It’s Alr, just boring rn

But I did figure out why the NPP has no condenser

[strange vortex]

If you bored, play satisfactory

[clear aspen]

I’m in school rn

[late pumice]

@clear aspen I’d like a nuclear power plant fact thank you

[scenic mirage]

focus on the lesson then. and then play when you get home

[rigid wedge]

im trying to make my first train setup doing push pull at first and im not really getting the hang of it. could someone please help me out #screenshots message

its always supposed to drive on the right side

[clear aspen]

#off-topic-general message

[strange vortex]

Oh, so after school play it

[clear aspen]

I plan on doing that

[hearty flame]

satisfactory is my most played steam game, not my most played of all time

top goes either to minecraft or rocket league lol

[fallen orbit]

Oh yeah I didn't consider that aswell I have like 2100 hours in minecraft

[scenic mirage]

with drones can i have them pick up packaged nitrogen gas, and drop off empty fluid canisters? or would i need a separate drone port for each

[hearty flame]

ye you can do that
im doing the same for regular fuel

[faint willow]

On the first map, how do y'all handle the two limestone deposits on the opposite side of each other? Both of them are impure and combining it is inefficient. Just localized concrete production on both sides?

[white dawn]

btw: there's just a single (huge) map with four different starting areas

[faint willow]

Gotcha. My mistake.

[hearty flame]

yeah i have abt 400h on rocket leage on my pc alone

[white dawn]

But yeah, I personally don't like doing long belts, so I'd probably just have them local. But my own aesthetic constraints are often pretty flexible in the very early game, so it's possible I'd belt 'em over anyway

[fallen orbit]

Is it possible to condense rotor and rips factory to such an extent you can make it in a blueprint designer mk1?

It'll be so handy to have this for building larger factories

I believe it might be possible if I go verticle although I haven't tried it

[white dawn]

@neat pollen (re: #screenshots message ) -- Roof corner pieces exist. :) I believe it's a separate shop item from the "main" roof pieces though.

[ornate saffron]

Rips?

[clear aspen]

Love ur pfp broskie

[clear aspen]

Reinforced iron plate I presume

[fallen orbit]

Reinforced iron plates and also basically all the basic items like rips , rotors etc

Which are mostly required as in production for advanced items

[clear aspen]

I’m proud that I thought of this

[fallen orbit]

I just have a plan in mind to make a condensed small factory in a blueprint for all the items that are required in larger factories

[hearty flame]

ty dude

[clear aspen]

Star Wars is so peak

[hearty flame]

huge ass star wars fan fr

[clear aspen]

Me too

[hearty flame]

look at my most recent screenshots #screenshots

[clear aspen]

That’s actually amazing

[wary jewel]

Can anyone recommend a let's play series that is best for learning the factory planning?

[keen flame]

hi chat

[clear aspen]

You should totally make scarrif tower

[hearty flame]

dont get me wrong, i didnt build the star destroyer, it came as an empty shell
so im filling it with factorys

[tall lantern]

playing it yourself, tbh. Copying someone else won't really teach all that much compared to actually experiencing the process yourself

[wary jewel]

I didn't say I want to copy someone elses. I want to see how others go about planning a factory

[ornate saffron]

You could probably condense it down to a small BP using steel rotors and iron pipes

[tall lantern]

the actual planning part is "pick one of the common tools, fiddle with it til you get the input and outputs you want for the resources you're happy to use, then build it"

[clear aspen]

Yo did u see my theory on why the npp has no condenser?

[tall lantern]

main recommendation'd be something like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[feral vector]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxpToD1Are7hyEOv6JmnIi2n7I3ig28LH&si=JHDI-AEjwdrp15YJ

people are right though you kinda gotta try stuff and mess it up, you're not gonna be able to plan factories properly on your first playthrough

[tall lantern]

others like things like Satisfactory Modeler, which isn't quite the same thing (more of a logistic planner than a high level designer)

[feral vector]

good rule of thumb is automate one machine worth of everything, send it to storage, send the extras to a sink

[mild finch]

it is, if you give enough effort

but that's only if planning is a part of the fun to you

[feral vector]

there's a concrete foundation in the awesome shop that uses only concrete instead of concrete and iron plates, that's good to get. and build more than one machine worth of concrete and whatever your current material for your fastest belts is

[feral vector]

how do you even play this game without planning lol

I swear all I did yesterday was try to plan phase 4

I guess I could just yolo it and not have efficient factories

my brain doesn't work like that 😅

[mild finch]

exactly, hence why the satisfactory tools doing all the work for you is attractive to most

[tall lantern]

planning is good, which is why I use Tools

it's not like you just slap your outputs in and boom done

[feral vector]

I tried to get it to help me pick alt recipes and now I'm even more confused I think

[ornate saffron]

Hey now, just because my plan had no thought and i made it up as i went didnt mean i didnt have a plan 😂 1

[mild finch]

(most of it anyways)

[tall lantern]

unless you're being silly anyway

[hearty flame]

take it one bit at a time instead of as a whole

[feral vector]

I'd probably be more productive if this is how I did things tbh. I tend to spend too much time figuring out what to do and not enough time doing stuff. not just in this game lol

[wispy sun]

might be a dumb question but the only quartz nodes that are close to me are located in a cave, now my question is there an easier way to spot the cave's entrance?

and the cave is very large

[mild finch]

the figuring out if you wanna use sam or not, what you use for power, and other stuff is really easy

[tall lantern]

the strength of Tools is more that you can change your recipes and see how it impacts the whole line, so you can adjust the whole processing chain to what-if it without needing to recalculate it all manually

[feral vector]

yeah I have it broken down into multiple steps but it was a lot to figure out

I wanted to start with the end in mind so I could plan how much to overproduce

[mild finch]

and that it tells you which alternates are best, by picking them by default

[feral vector]

like I need whatever the cooling things are called for two different production chains, and I want some extra for storage, so I didn't want to just make planners that only have enough of them for the products upstream

[tall lantern]

best by one metric which is a pretty poor one for general use

[feral vector]

they don't seem to hate screws enough lol

[tall lantern]

I should've added "and your alt recipes" into this

if you are just slapping your alts and outputs in and just blindly using whatever your favourite planner spits out then you're doing it wrong

[feral vector]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=QSkLIY84oPUhabwMdNBV

I made this monstrosity to see how much plastic and rubber I need to plan for XD

[tall lantern]

so while tools can be used that way, it's very much not the recommended way, using it properly does require thought

[ornate saffron]

Im trying for a happy middle ground. My mind says "more time planning is less time playing" so i wana gogogogo but this has lead to sloppy layouts

[mild finch]

and that metric is?

[tall lantern]

weighted global resource rarity

[feral vector]

but then if I go to my magnetic field generator planner it's just got an input for 2 electromagnetic control rods per minute, and 5 versatile frameworks per minute. and then I have another planner tab for each of those

[ornate saffron]

so im shifting to " planning is playing and i dont need the game open to play]

[feral vector]

this doesn't seem like the best metric unless you're really planning on using everything?

[tall lantern]

exactly

[feral vector]

I'm trying to figure out how to use alt recipes to make things easier for me not just more efficient

[mild finch]

ah yeah

[tall lantern]

and it also brings the SAM conversion recipes in on a lot of stuff, but I doubt anyone would say that's better than using the actual ore

[feral vector]

yeah somewhere in the middle is best

[mild finch]

yeah i don't even consider that when i make my stuff in modeler

tbf, there are a few things i'd from the auto nuclear plant

[feral vector]

like, tweaking the numbers so I can use 2 iron nodes, 1 coal node, 1 copper node for a factory or something like that? idk exactly what I mean by making things easier for me

[mild finch]

it's not as assisted as i thought

[tall lantern]

turning off conversion recipes is a common first step in Tools lol, either via disabling the machine, SAM, or individual recipes (depending on game stage)

[feral vector]

I do have the planner with the outputs I want for all the new phase 4 stuff I just gotta figure out alt recipes and figure out how to split it up into different factories

[ornate saffron]

HOT TAKE

most ppl like easier recipes while claiming efficiency. cast screws and steel screws are the best example they are easier not more efficient

[feral vector]

and I gotta process more bauxite

[mild finch]

i still don't get why tools loves the quartz purification recipe ngl

[feral vector]

steel screws is way more efficient though isn't it?

[mild finch]

it uses so much nitric acid for so little additional quartz

[feral vector]

yeah that machine is off for me. I don't even have it unlocked though lol

[ornate saffron]

No, More effiecent would be Steel rods - screws

[bronze kindle]

is power transporter trough hypertubes ? like train/rails

[feral vector]

steel screws still more efficient than base though right? just not the most efficient overall?

[tall lantern]

trying to match exact node outputs tends to give you wacky numbers, if that's what you're trying to do. But if you're just trying to keep within those limits without going all the way, alts might help you get more

[feral vector]

nah

[neat pollen]

Thank you

[ornate saffron]

but it skips all the rod recipes which are way better

[feral vector]

yeah I don't necessarily need to fully use the nodes, just not need like 1.2 nodes and only one node is close?

[feral vector]

gotcha

[tall lantern]

the real crux: define "efficient". everyone does it differently and neglects other ways it could be measured, then start asking "what's the most efficient way to do x" and expects a universal answer

[ornate saffron]

absolutly

[feral vector]

I might just smelt everything from the node in case I want to ship it somewhere else but trying to perfectly use them sounds horrible

[lament skiff]

Hello factory builders

[feral vector]

as in less input for equal output I guess? not that that's always the most important metric

[neat pollen]

I have pieces that look like angled corner pieces but upon placing, they're upside-down... 🤣 🤣 🤣

[tall lantern]

then you start having to weigh up different resources, how much coal is an iron worth?
and the answer to that should, really, hinge on what's available

[mild finch]

yeah true, to me it's output/input, but i see a lot of people mass overclocking machines

[feral vector]

really all of this planning is probably counterproductive, I'd be better off setting up some shitty turbo motor plant and letting the game run while I plan

[neat pollen]

Nvm lol I found in architecture-ficsit roof corners

[ornate saffron]

'for fuilds and buaxite i tend to always try to process a whole node and just sink what i dont use. Ill leave a sign by the awesome sink with numbers

[feral vector]

yeah I just meant it in context of replying to players wanting ease over efficiency

[tall lantern]

like "is steel screw worse than base?" "yeah, if you don't want to use coal/don't have it nearby"

[feral vector]

I do have signs set up near the belts on my main factory, trying to keep that up with other places. or map markers that say how much of a node that I'm using

[fallen orbit]

Just building it in a mk1 designer and so far it seems very possible although am still just doing reinforced iron plates

[feral vector]

I did that with bauxite too, just seemed intuitive to me to just process the whole 480 incoming

I have 2 large containers each of alclad aluminum sheets and the aluminum uhhh canisters?

still no logistics set up to bring them elsewhere though lol I'm a slacker

and some container fed manufacturer next to a gas node to make those fused frames

[ornate saffron]

Ive seen some REALLY compact BP cubes.

[fallen orbit]

It's just fun to build compact cubes lol
I kinda want them aesthetically pleasing aswell so I'll try my best

[somber smelt]

is there a keybind to grab a color from something?

[feral vector]

I get stressed trying to use verticality in the blueprint designer

[somber smelt]

to recolour a diffrent thing like a pipe that was already placed (without using a swatch menu)

[fallen orbit]

I just verticle it even if some stuff gets clipped as long as it is only clipping the machines lightbars

[feral vector]

yeah that's fair

should I try using satisfactory modeler for all this phase 4 stuff? seems like I'm finally gonna hav eto set up multiple factories and some train logistics

[chrome musk]

anybody got anymore ideas? or is the only solution to put 400+ splitters

[feral vector]

why do you need to split it exactly 100 and 75? you can just use one splitter and it will balance out if the first belt goes to a group of machines that need 100 / min and the second belt goes to a group of machines that uses 75 / min

or if you want one of the two groups prioritized, use a smart splitter and send overflow to the second belt of 75 or 100

[chrome musk]

wait this is actually smart thx

[scenic mirage]

^ just manifold it

[feral vector]

glad to help. I asked the exact same question a while back lol it's not very intuitive to figure out on your own, I also thought I'd need to split things more carefully

[bronze kindle]

manifolds

[chrome musk]

yeah haha

[feral vector]

hmm if I don't have the recycled rubber and plastic recipes, using the alternate polymer resin recipe and then the residual plastic/rubber recipes seems strong?

I could just reroll hard drives until I get recycled plastic though but that feels kinda sweaty

[bronze kindle]

i feel like the regular is a huge W

you just cycle the heavy oil residue to fuel and power one or two fuel power plant