satisfactory

[next ivy]

fairly nonsensical to plan out AND build the whole thing before you even need it, or see the design restrictions of later machines

or alt recipes

[bronze kindle]

well atm i do really need rotors and motors a lot and i do not have a factory yet

so i was thinking abt building all these things at one place

and just adding the other part to it too

[next ivy]

then look for a spot that has all the ore you need, and make a factory for it there

then transport the finished product via belt, truck, or train
depending on your stage of the game

[bronze kindle]

but whats better, many smasll factorys or rather bigger ones

[next ivy]

better for what

[bronze kindle]

well i see many ppl recommend building multiple factories hooking them all on trains

and some recommend regrouping stuff, such as "copper things" "iron things" etc

and build one larger factory then

[next ivy]

if theyve not given a reason for why they recommend it then 🤷‍♀️

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency
🙂

[ornate saffron]

there is many diffrent play styles, I prefer moving ore via belts

[next ivy]

pick a way and stick with it until you change your mind 🤷‍♀️

[bronze kindle]

mhmm okay

thanks for your advice

[next ivy]

if you want to take apart each way of playing and rate them, you can do that too
but then you would have to come up with ways on HOW to rate them

like speed, average experience, most tickets made

[bronze kindle]

well i just wanted to try out buncha stuff and ask ppl what they prefer etc

[fallen orbit]

Just did the final touches finished the 8 smart plates/min factory #screenshots

Trying to go more verticle with factories
Interestingly everything went right this time

[scenic mirage]

goddamit 😭 i built a factory over limestone nodes i was gonna use

was gonna use those limestone nodes... in the factory i built

[unkempt blade]

I went more purist independency than normal this save by building everything as a single megafactory

[scenic mirage]

wdym

[unkempt blade]

my factory doesn't depend on any others for parts and I don't have to worry about distribution

[zenith pecan]

One of these days I'll give a megafactory a go, I'm so used to one product chain, one building it will be a wierd way of play.

[magic void]

is there a way with like scim or something to remove items from belts?

[minor vale]

that works only until it doesn't.

eventually a given resource is going to be far away from other resources you might need for advanced production lines. So some level of distrubution concern will happen even if you spread out your factories.

[unkempt blade]

no SCIM needed, just delete the belt in the game and replace it

[unkempt blade]

that's what trains are for (and fun, trains are also for fun)

[magic void]

Uhh small problem, there, I have a ton of belts and conveyors id have to replace, managed to plug wire into something that needs cable

[small crypt]

i will be avoiding vehicles at all costs

[minor vale]

why
they're cool

[small crypt]

confusing

[unkempt blade]

delete a chunk of the belt, attach it to a storage container and let it drain, replace the piece when the belt is empty

[minor vale]

liquids are more confusing than truck stations

[magic void]

Its load balanced 15 ways, that would also work but anything even faster?

[minor vale]

Loadbalancing when manifolds are availible.

[unkempt blade]

I think that's the best I can do in-game. I'm not sure if an out of game tool would have an easier way

[magic void]

Yea i downloaded some stackable, prints and for whatever reason they load baalanced them so I commited to it.

[small crypt]

Oh thank goodness conveyor lifts can clip through pipes

[scenic mirage]

just because you can, doesnt mean you should

[rough shore]

If it looks cool why not

[robust wigeon]

roblox officially has a satisfactory ripoff game 😭

genuinely not sure where to send a screenshot of it (this channel doesn't allow images and no other channel really fits it) so dm me if you want to see it

[tall lantern]

"officially" sounds like a stretch for Roblox lol

[robust wigeon]

fair fair

[white dawn]

"roblox has a [insert game name] ripoff" really isn't news anyway. :D

#off-topic-media seems appropriate though

[worn oar]

Steam also has a satisfactory ripoff game called chocolate factory, but who honestly cares

It's not costing you money

[mortal ginkgo]

same dev got a Dyson Sphere Program ripoff too I think

[white dawn]

I mean at some point one has to acknowledge that "factory builder on an alien planet" is merely a genre nowadays

[worn oar]

lmao he actually does, I respect him so much more for that

Man wants to create a niche without having to invent a genre

[white dawn]

Sure, some cases may feel more like "ripoffs" than others but there's plenty of room in the market for plenty of games in the genre

[mortal ginkgo]

You really may want to report him but one can simply NOT deny that there is SOME effort going on lol.

I mean, I didnt expect Dyson Swarm to .. actually work lol

[worn oar]

IMO I think it's fine to make a bad version of an existing game as long as you're not plagiarizing it. How many damn battle royales are there?

[mortal ginkgo]

Also chocolate factory concept is really good that I think he is just wasting effort on a wasted idea.

[mortal ginkgo]

Sure, who are we to say you cant make a 3D factory game or another dyson sphere game no matter how "bruh its obvious" to us?

etc. etc. Still though, someone could really make a choco factory game.

[worn oar]

Alright that's it I'm making my own dyson sphere program ripoff with space hookers and space blow

...wait that's Rimworld, dang it

[mortal ginkgo]

bro got ripped off before he started the project

big dawg got cooked so bad

This is bro irl right now as we speak.

[merry ridge]

God I wish they would just add a brick texture already

#screenshots message

I yearn for a factory with this design

[minor vale]

yea but having decided to look up the aformenteioned Chocolate factory on steam

it's just satisfactory but bad.

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a way to do that and than your fps dies

[white dawn]

Eh, honestly I disagree. It's novel enough, IMO

(I'm not disagreeing that it's bad, mind. 🥳 )

[worn oar]

I think the only reason we're having this discussion is that Satisfactory is such a titan that was clearly made with some love. If we were comparing random incremental game 1 to random incremental game 2, it wouldn't be argued that 2 shouldn't exist because 1 is better

[small crypt]

Well I hooked up 48 of them before realizing it was blocking, so they're gonna have to clip lol

[scenic mirage]

😂 valid

[ornate saffron]

I had to redo my load balancers yesterday to make my waste belts fit neatly

[merry ridge]

lol

Brick textures, and furniture, chairs, desks, lamps or maybe even those tile ceiling panel things that are white with spots on them

I wanna make a factory building with a break room and everything

[ornate saffron]

What's you avatar. At first glance it reminds me of ponyo

[merry ridge]

It’s the kid from ponyo

My wife is ponyo

[minor vale]

ok
but that's kind of a bit of a 'nothing statement'
Like "remove some of the nuance of this comparison and Game 2 looks better that way."

its' just a fact of life taht some times people make a product strictly to capitalize off the success of something similar.
Some times these are made in good faith, and you get something where a person can enjoy both and they co-exist

this does not feel like one of those times.
At all.
satisfactory's status as big and successful has little to do with That really.

but I'm also going to leave it there because talking about this is getting very off topic either way.

[ornate saffron]

Awesome. My memory is not failing.... yet.

I have a ponyo plush that came with the special edition

[merry ridge]

#off-topic-media message

[restive quarry]

i built a big circle and i want to build space elavator in middle and surround it by ramps, how to i make a smooth circle of ramps?

[merry ridge]

The catwalk method

I have no idea what this means or how to do it, I’ve just heard others say it

https://youtube.com/shorts/vpMKiF6ssAY?si=qI7JjNOQw1_7xEsT

[restive quarry]

ik how to do that, but that is for foundations i wanna do with ramps?

[ornate saffron]

I saw a YouTube video about ramp cicles today.

I didn't watch it though.

My search was

Satisfactory easy curves

Then I filtered the results to only show uploaded in the last year

[cunning siren]

I'm guessing with the random nodes this option is even more simple as stuff that would require distribution like oil products and aluminum can be in the same location 🤷. Things have changed it seems

[mortal ginkgo]

I am really not one to generally say it but, if you want to do curved things and not just diagonals, REALLY get the easy-curves mod.

[feral vector]

does anyone else explore using power towers and foundations in the sky and stuff lol

[mortal ginkgo]

This game's curve making is just traumatic.

[feral vector]

thanks for the heads up I was gonna try to make a better train line next time

[ornate saffron]

Power towers. Yes. Sky foundations no.

[mortal ginkgo]

99% of the community uses foundations in sky to build things because GOD FORBID there are few slops and some cliffs here and there.

[cunning siren]

Power towers ziplines are OP AF mid game if you become familiar with them, heck even late game

[feral vector]

I feel like I just need the extra space cause I'm a noob and have no idea how big things will be? I'm trying to make actual buildings for my diluted packaged fuel and fuel gens setup

[mortal ginkgo]

Shout out to people who puts 2394823094820984509 amount of fuel gens on 1m ficsit foundation zone in sky and post 4395830453 images per day of it in reddit with 5% total consumption because they do nothing else.

My hatred for you lot ONLY grows.

[ornate saffron]

I miss judged the height on my nuclear plant over the swamp. Im 2 meters to short. I can't fit a miner under if 🙁

[reef basin]

99% of the community uses foundations in sky to build things
eh, I'd say most people don't build floating platforms

[feral vector]

I more mean like, I want to go up there, lets build a huge ramp

[mortal ginkgo]

You would be wrong. Statistically.

[mortal ginkgo]

Sure, go do that.

[feral vector]

or I want to go across a gap, time for a foundation bridge lol, or just ridiculous ladders

[ornate saffron]

We've seen the screen shots

[reef basin]

most images I see have pillars to put foundations on

[feral vector]

fortnite lookin world I'm so sorry lol

[mortal ginkgo]

ok, you are correct.

[merry ridge]

My floating platforms have skinny little “foundations” that physically would never work

[cunning siren]

I would say many people do whatever they can enjoy 🤷 not much matters to me

[mortal ginkgo]

My entire setup was 8m off to west. I used calculator to offset them. It worked amazing.

[feral vector]

I should probably do this for my starter base it looks kinda stupid having three layers of huge floating foundations

[merry ridge]

How dare you have fun and not play exactly like I do

[mortal ginkgo]

Are you telling me that people tend to do things that they enjoy?

What is this madness?

[cunning siren]

Sinner!

[mortal ginkgo]

This community really gone toxic in years wow.

[feral vector]

and my fuel gen setup doesn't have support pillars yet I just wanted to get the sizing right and get it working

[merry ridge]

One of these days I’ll beat the game

[ornate saffron]

Im not trying to min max this world so im not worried about it. But still borhersome

[mortal ginkgo]

and it will ALWAYS be there, over 1m ficsit foundation floating in sky.

I know your kind.

You promise change, and deliver emptiness.

You promise power, yet use 5% of it.

You promise nuclear reactors, yet add 200 more fuel gens.

You promise truth, yet it is hidden in lies.

You promise peace, yet all I see is a concrete sky.

[merry ridge]

I have like 5 worlds all on the second to last or last elevator level and I’ll just remake the world to do it all again but faster

Me and my wife got to pasta in like, 45 hours this time around

And like, 12 of those where idle hours while we slept

[feral vector]

I really did try to have proper supports the first time I set up fuel power. and then I immediately regretted it because that size of building didn't work at all for diluted packaged fuel

now that I have a repeatable design I can actually go make it look decent when I get sick of automating the new tier 7 and 8 stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

You always justify your excuses. Never looking in the mirror, but instead looking at your fuel gens to find a good angle to post your 345083045893045th update post in reddit with the said screenshot.

There is nothing but HATRED I feel for you lot.

[feral vector]

phase 4 is stressful 😭

[mortal ginkgo]

so are your screenshots

[feral vector]

glad you like them lol

[merry ridge]

How many power plants would you say is an acceptable amount? And how many would you say is not enough

[mortal ginkgo]

I like them enough for constantly pray every day and night for a "structural integrity" update where your concrete sky FALLS on you and you watch and weep as justified.

[ornate saffron]

The acceptable amount is what is required for your power needs and/or your enjoyment

[mortal ginkgo]

Yes.

[cunning siren]

I'm as lazy with power as I can get away with most of the times 😆

[feral vector]

I'm sorry lolol

[merry ridge]

Good, I’m about to make 30 of them

Possibly 60 god willing

[agile cedar]

Which i click keyboard for build ( Upper or down )?

[feral vector]

what kind of power plants?

[fluid sapphire]

Take a breath. Take one step, then another

[feral vector]

yeah I'm not worrying about going super fast, I'm trying container feed some manufacturers and blenders to unlock milestones so I can see what I need for the spelevator parts and plan a factory for each

just went to look for nitrogen gas and ended up hunting for hard drives for hours, wanna set up those uhhh fused modular frames? so I can get another milestone

[merry ridge]

Basic bitch level ones

[fluid sapphire]

If you want reliable progress you need actual production for components, the elevator parts is the part you can yolo with containers

[reef basin]

based on how much your factory needs + some extra to cover spikes

[agile cedar]

Help, Which i click keyboard for build ( Upper or down )?

[cunning siren]

I aim for ~40 GW, with 60 sloops that makes 10 BWD pretty simple. Anything more ends up doing nothing for me anyway 🤷

[fluid sapphire]

Ahh, aluminum production. Stay strong

[feral vector]

this has been my method so far, but not automating the phase 3 parts means that I don't have a stockpile to use for phase 4

[fluid sapphire]

Many ways to skin that hyrax

[fluid sapphire]

Ah, yeah, helps to have those for sure

[merry ridge]

I never found aluminum that difficult

[fluid sapphire]

I did chuck stuff into containers for phase 4 myself, but I did set up phase 3 parts for that

[tropic juniper]

I got experimental installed now. .. where do i find experimental patch notes? are truck paths implemented yet?

[merry ridge]

Yep

Fluid trucks, paths. Etc

[tropic juniper]

i can use my existing saves?

[merry ridge]

Buggy ass

[merry ridge]

Yeah, just make sure to back up the world

[fluid sapphire]

It's not difficult, it's just a new type of obstacle in the water management

[tropic juniper]

haha of course. i've lived and i have learned

[feral vector]

I actually have a full 480 belt of bauxite being used properly, all the help on clocking machines from cobalt was good, I believe I have two refineries at 67% being fed wastewater and two at 133% being fed from water extractors

[tropic juniper]

thanks. might jump in later

[feral vector]

if I didn't post about it I probably would have mixed wastewater and freshwater and had some weird stuff happen

I think diluted packaged fuel was a bit more tricky to setup than aluminum tbh

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah, you and most other people

Its just what feels intuitive

[merry ridge]

Bro I never understood liquid till i saw a video that was like “same as belt, wait for pipe to fully fill before use” and that shit changed my world perspective

[feral vector]

or I would have used the extra water for wet concrete or something and been fine but who knows

[normal orbit]

You can mix em easy if you build it right

[feral vector]

yeah it might have worked out fine, it worked okay when I tested it with one of each refinery

[fluid sapphire]

I didn't watch any videos myself, just trial and error and asking questions here until I learned to keep my pipes literally about as simple as possible

[merry ridge]

Also, water towers are hype evidently

[fluid sapphire]

Leave the clever stuff for conveyor belts

[feral vector]

that made sense to me, turn things on one at a time so they all fill up as much as possible

[merry ridge]

Need water across the map? Make a huge tower and go crazy

[fluid sapphire]

Said it before and I will say it again, single most pointless contraption anyone could build, pumps are not at all complicated

[feral vector]

someone told me on here to skip them and learn to let pipes fill up and I haven't needed them at all

[cunning siren]

I agree pumps are pointless if water tower hax are used

[merry ridge]

Yeah but then you gotta route power to them

[normal orbit]

water towers just move the pumps from A to B, they dont do anything else

[fluid sapphire]

OK, what's the big deal?

[feral vector]

water towers as in abusing the whole free lift thing?

[fluid sapphire]

Whatever you source your fluid from already has power close by

[merry ridge]

If I’m going crazy far, I’ll use the power from the source rather than making a million power poles whenever a slight hill comes along

[reef basin]

water towers are just pumps with extra steps. Unnecessary and pointless

[feral vector]

what weapons do you guys use? this red forest place sucks lol, I don't have the red rifle ammo, homing ammo just seems worse than normal rifle ammo unless I'm aiming poorly. I tried shatter rebar and it's ok I guess? some of these harder enemies are kinda bullet spongy

[normal orbit]

no you still pump the fluid up. you just do it in a diffrent locations which is kinda.. pointless imo

[fluid sapphire]

If you're crazy far, just either build closer, or use trains

Why would you pipe stuff super far when it's easier to transport solids

[merry ridge]

Talking early game, before trains

[fluid sapphire]

Changes nothing, easier to belt over solids

[merry ridge]

Need a packager to belt solids

[fluid sapphire]

No, you misunderstand

[merry ridge]

OH

[fluid sapphire]

Don't package the fluid, just belt stuff that's already solid

[merry ridge]

My bad lol I get it now

[ornate saffron]

I just use rebar gun with scatter shot and explosive rebar, sometimes the boombox

[fluid sapphire]

Much easier than building long pipes

[feral vector]

doesn't it like, give the headlift to a whole pipe network or something?

[merry ridge]

Gravity pumps for you

[feral vector]

anywhere I'm building pipes I already have power so I just use pumps though

[merry ridge]

As long as you don’t need to go above the tower your good

[normal orbit]

kinda, but pumps aint exaktly power hungry

[merry ridge]

But belts look like shit from a butt, sexy pipelines look much more dystopian

[feral vector]

hmm even scatter shot seems kinda weak, maybe I'll try explosive rebar

[lusty cedar]

how the hell am I supposed to power something in the middle of nowhere when the biomass burners refuse to do anything and instantly blow a fuse when I want even half of their theoretical output

[fluid sapphire]

Well, dress them up somehow, they don't need to be all naked and wobbly like an uncooked hot dog

[cunning siren]

Explosive rebar is goated IMO

[feral vector]

I just want more dps enemies feel so tanky

and in this red forest place there are like multiple top tier ones, making me feel like running past them instead of killing them zzz

[fluid sapphire]

It's convenient but hitting the handle on the detonator just feels much more satisfying somehow

[reef basin]

hoverpack?

[weak bloom]

AGS only disables achievements when playing in that specific save right?

[ornate saffron]

Please note, I play on defensive monster aggression. I want my game to be chill. Im not about the combat. This is my relax and think game

[feral vector]

I'm so used to games like dark souls this game's combat is still chill heh

except for jumping spider jumpscares

[cunning siren]

If you make "Jousting" movements with turboammo... Brrrrrrr things die pretty quick and with enough practice, very safe. The trick is to jam the gun in their face at the end of the clip

[lusty cedar]

oh, yeah, shit, that would do it. thanks

[fluid sapphire]

After a while it gets kinda old to keep fighting too

Combat is not deep enough to stay interesting

[ornate saffron]

Ive platinum'd every soulsborne game.

Ill play those if I want combat.

[fluid sapphire]

There's also KCD if you want more interesting combat ehhehhh

[merry ridge]

“ crazy bread..? Heh, I’m so twisted it’s just normal bread to me..”

[feral vector]

hmm I haven't tried that ammo yet, the recoil seems like a hassle but I could just get close

[cunning siren]

You can also play it ultra safe and build "bunker" blueprints and pluck them from the safty of that 🤷

[feral vector]

lol fair enough

[ornate frost]

There is no harder boss fight than finding the mk1 belt buried somewhere

[feral vector]

I only die if I'm an idiot, it's just how tanky the enemies feel

[fluid sapphire]

Ya'll don't always build with your best available belt?

[merry ridge]

Mega factory, but the mk3 miner got the mk1 belt 😭

[merry ridge]

Nah I try to output match

[feral vector]

I started to at mk4 belts?

[merry ridge]

Belt always full = happy brain

[fluid sapphire]

Mismatched look of different belts drives me more crazy than half empty belts

[ornate frost]

Sometimes i fumble and mess up a connection somewhere

[merry ridge]

My shit is so compact you can’t even really tell

[ornate frost]

But yeah I just mash mk4 belts everywhere

[fluid sapphire]

Fair

I like mine to be visible, after all, I am here to watch stuff scurry by on belts

After a while they settle into a sort of rhythm that can be quite pleasing

[merry ridge]

#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

Compact indeed

[normal orbit]

could make it even more compact

[fluid sapphire]

Quite the opposite to my own builds

[merry ridge]

Yeah I have better designs, only one I had on my phone tho

I was so pissed when I found out mk5 belts weren’t 960/m

[fluid sapphire]

Mostly spacious, compact for more complex stuff #screenshots message

[merry ridge]

Mixed items on one belt?

Banished.

[white dawn]

Heh, many people have been led astray by the fact that mk2 belts are 2x the capacity of mk1. That is, however, the only instance where that is the case. :D

[fluid sapphire]

It's a sushi belt with a feedback loop

Probably the most interesting thing I've done

[merry ridge]

Don’t sushi belts clog like crazy?

[fluid sapphire]

Not if you do it right

[white dawn]

Not if you build/use 'em right

[cunning siren]

I plop one of these down as an "Oh shit!" button kind of combat situation, works pretty good #screenshots message

[weak bloom]

I mostly build with the highest available however for stuff like nuclear pasta I have been sticking those on a mk1 so I can revel in the glory of the neutron star instead of having it blink by directly into storage

[white dawn]

The only real thing is to ensure that there's always an "Overflow" path so that nothing can clog. Once you've got that you're good

[fluid sapphire]

Understandable

[feral vector]

yeah that might be better than just running away

[white dawn]

Usually that means overflowing to a sink, though you can also have a loopback so long as a sink is present somewhere (or unless you're extremely sure about your delivery numbers)

If you're feeding things in the appropriate amounts, an overflow sink will end up idle 100% of the time, so technically you wouldn't need it. I admit I've never been quite brave enough to exclude it myself, though. :D

[cunning siren]

The bars allow me to shoot out while avoiding most incoming projectiles

[weak bloom]

I also did the same with my 46/min HMF factory, it's a double line of 16 manufacturers with the HMFs on a mk1 belt down the middle of them and a glass panel on the roof right above them, so I can fly past the building and see the frames moving down the final line

[white dawn]

(Talking about systems consuming resources rather than storing them, of course)

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah the way I set up mine was: first let the exactly matched stuff spin up to full capacity, then introduce the last component from the train and mix it into the belt when there's room, then recycle leftovers - the initial components that had to spin up had the option to overflow

[fluid sapphire]

It guarantees that everything will spin up nicely, otherwise almost certainly will clog

[weak bloom]

Is the idea behind sushi that a machine will not accept the same item into multiple inputs? So you can manifold them that way?

[merry ridge]

I’m a manifold guy myself

[white dawn]

Yeah, indeed; gotta get through the initial spinup cycles first. :D

[merry ridge]

Set it up, wait over night, check belts

[fluid sapphire]

Yes sir

[white dawn]

Well, there's lots of situations in which you could use sushi belts. You can certainly use them to feed machines, though. It's somewhat refreshing seeing manufacturers with literally just four smart splitters in a line as their only hookups, etc. :D

[ornate saffron]

Why? A mark 3 belt is 270

[fluid sapphire]

I am too, manufacturers get a bit clunky with all the lifts and stuff though

[white dawn]

Personally I'm more apt to use them in storage solutions and bulk logistics deliveries (vehicles/trains mostly) but they're quite usable for machine delivery too so long as you're keeping your belt constraints in mind

[weak bloom]

Like if I have a sushi belt for 4 assemblers, will item A automatically fill into the first inputs on all 4 and skip the second input, and item B will fill into the second inputs? And once they fill if you have an overflow line at the end it'll just go past?

Or do you need to specify which item splits out at each point?

[merry ridge]

I got a pretty good way of doing it,

[white dawn]

For machine delivery, you still one one resource per machine input, so it's one Smart Splitter per input. The defined input "into" the machine, Overflow going on down the line.

[merry ridge]

Pretty much the same way I do assemblers but in reverse

[white dawn]

With optional loopbacks if you do want to handle startup-time overflows and such, but make sure you've ultimately got an overflow-to-sink to catch any extra

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah with smart splitters it basically fills like a normal manifold would

Wait, no...

One or two machines at a time, depending whether the setup is single line or mirrored

[merry ridge]

I can confidently say in the 400+ hours I have in the game I’ve never used a smart splitter

[fluid sapphire]

You build stuff that goes on standby when lines get full?

But muh coupons

[merry ridge]

That or I just half the storage belt

[winged root]

Is there a neon colour option in base game?

[merry ridge]

Store half, sell half till storage is full

Depending on the resource and how many I make in a minute

[cunning siren]

I do this but with ground loot hunting, setup a stage then scrounge for sloopage HD and spheres

[fluid sapphire]

No, but you can go crazy with the input values for colors to get super bright colors

[normal orbit]

can make em with signs

[winged root]

Ok that should be good enough

[knotty bear]

I finally got power production as a straight line at 8125MW, capacity is 8125MW, and max consumption i 7806.1MW, average consumption is around 3000MW

[winged root]

BFG-10000 here I come

[merry ridge]

I got a flat like at 30mw

Then never, ever again

Scratch that, I think I had constant power at coal but that’s about it

I don’t really care enough to output balance my turbo fuel

Especially with papa nuclear on the way

[unkempt blade]

yikes, why not?

[merry ridge]

Manifold superiority

#screenshots message

Plus after I get all my decoration blocks and my wall/roof belt mounts tickets are useless to me

[unkempt blade]

but like you've never set up a proper overflow-sink?

[merry ridge]

I do, I just use a normal splitter depending on what material it is

[fiery root]

Why are my ressources talking to me?

[simple pebble]

I end up asking this every time I play with my partner lmao

[merry ridge]

No need to waste power if I already got 3 double boxes + depot all full

[simple pebble]

The flipside of it is we're in phase 4 and using less than 8k power, despite running with a cost multiplier and dramatically overproducing

[worn oar]

Alien brain parasites

[unkempt blade]

I can't tell if you're trolling or just weirdly sloppy/lazy about this game

[merry ridge]

I am not trolling

I am managing my resources

[unkempt blade]

I mean you're trolling yourself at least

[merry ridge]

How so?

Because I don’t waste power selling shit to a shop I never use lol

[unkempt blade]

you're kind of answering your own question

[fiery root]

Intresting.. can i automize that?

[merry ridge]

I like this game because i build factories like I write code

[worn oar]

You sure can, it's a unique process. Look up alien inflation on google.

[merry ridge]

If a function is not needed why store it in memory? Use it when you need it, destroy when you don’t.

The solution is not “buy a better computer” it’s “optimize your code”

[unkempt blade]

definitely a troll

[worn oar]

Because there's a logarithmic power benefit to only producing what you need

[merry ridge]

I run my factories the same way. Why upgrade my processing power (power) when I can just destroy (idle) my function(factory) to reserve processing power for a task that takes a higher priority

[merry ridge]

I store surplus

[worn oar]

You ignored what I said

[unkempt blade]

that's because he's a troll

[worn oar]

Having a storage container of each thing you need on you is perfectly fine. Buffering literally everything is goofy and pointless

[leaden turret]

reminder that idle crafting is paying microtransactions to your power supplier.

[merry ridge]

I do it in case I need to manually craft anything, plus I like to see boxes full of complex things, it’s sub-optimal but makes me happy

[leaden turret]

idle crafting is like using chatgpt

since you're oging with the writing code analogy

[fluid sapphire]

Power is laughably easy to produce

It's very hard to waste

[unkempt blade]

and using a smart splitter isn't going to increase power cost it's just going to fill your storage first

[cunning siren]

I do both, buffer the entire build and put depots on the buffers the items players use to build stuff 🤷. Is the build ratioed correctly? Yes... do I use "buffers" anyway? Yes

[leaden turret]

looks at screw-producing factories

[fluid sapphire]

You're right, of course, how could I forget 🤮

[unkempt blade]

hey now that's just good independency

[fluid sapphire]

Very hard, but not impossible

[robust wigeon]

yeah you're going to run out of nodes to extract stuff before you run out of power

[weary condor]

Im having an issue where my power consumption drops at random intervals (5-20 seconds apart usually) by a couple MW (likely a constructor) but everything is load balanced properly, any ideas as to what could be causing?

[merry ridge]

Yes, but when the box fills, and the machines fill to idle, that 3/4k MW factory will no longer consume 3/4k MW

I dislike jumping from project to power from power to project.

[fiery root]

I just made ficsit proud with space elevator phase 1 being finished

[weary condor]

I set everything to fill a storage container (2 or 3 for the most common building materials like concrete) and sink excess production, forces me to build more power infrastructure more often (which I enjoy)

[fluid sapphire]

That just means you didn't build a big enough power plant

[green pond]

If I move my space elevator, will it move the station?

[weary condor]

Wdym by station?

[merry ridge]

Difficult with random nodes

[green pond]

The one in the sky

[merry ridge]

Also, that’s why I’m making 30 power plants lmfao

[weary condor]

I believe it moves with it

[unkempt blade]

I'd think about things like...

• Something is getting backed up and only running intermittently. If the math is correct for the factory you might just want to overflow-sink the output
• Some of the logistics vehicles, colliders, etc. have variable power usage depending on what's happening
• Sinks consume more power when running than idle. There might be a sudden burst of items for some reason

[fluid sapphire]

Meaning 30 different places where you... Produce power?

Sounds like a problem you have created for yourself

[merry ridge]

No, 30 nuclear power plants in tandem

[unkempt blade]

hoverpack would probably do something similar when in use vs not

[merry ridge]

Estimated 75k MW

[weary condor]

1. This was my first thought, so I set up sink overflow for what I had and the issue persisted
2. Phase one on a new playthrough, so variable power use machines aren’t involved
3. I understand what you’re saying, but im seeing a periodic dip in consumption, rather than an increase

[weary condor]

Very early game

[fiery root]

What can i do with that ||mercer spheres?||
I cant research them a second time and they now just look fancy in my inventory

[weary condor]

Started a new save last night, really only have the base iron/copper products automated as well as concrete

[worn oar]

Research them in the MAM, use dimensional depots

[fiery root]

It wants me to get this sam stones
But there nowhere to find

[weary condor]

If you mean you dont have access to whatever else is needed to continue the mercer tree I’d just pop them in the hub storage box

[worn oar]

There is, where did you start?

[fiery root]

The first location the green lands

[unkempt blade]

It sounds like something getting backed up then. You're probably in check-your-math and looking for sometimes-idle machines territory

[worn oar]

Beware a sudden drop

[fluid sapphire]

You know the tall arch, look under that

[ornate saffron]

Bring a weapon

[fiery root]

I see.. my bolt gun will be loaded and ready to decimate this xeno scum

[summer smelt]

what was the trick to turn road barriers to ramps?

[weary condor]

Yeah that’s what I’ve been doing. Was hoping for a bug to blame or smt lol

[ornate saffron]

Get that L10 and spread democracy

[fiery root]

For the puppies and kittens

[ornate saffron]

Wait til you see lizard cattos

[cunning siren]

Even AI in games knows how to craft an emotional story to trigger the desired behavior in humans 😆

[violet glen]

What happens if I collect more Harddrives than I have recipes available to me at the time? Do I eventually just get ones I can't use yet?

[fiery root]

I am a simple man.
Visit xeno planet
Save the puppies
Leave eventually

[cunning siren]

Nobody tell him... Spoilers: ||"You get abandoned by ADA as she fly's away on the starship you spent all game building 😆 GG noob you got played"||

[weary condor]

You can roll every hard drive recipe at any point in the game (assuming you havent already unlocked it ofc)

[violet glen]

Oh, I thought I need to unlock them? Since I haven't gotten any Alu ones yet, given I'm not Phase 3 yet

[worn oar]

The effigy has no skin

[weary condor]

I don’t think so, could always be wrong tho

[brittle dune]

spoilers: ||von neumann probe type shit||

[fiery root]

Nah this cant be

[violet glen]

I have handed in like almost 100 HDDs now, and have not gotten a single recipe that's not "in my phase" so far.

So I feel like there has to be some mechanism to at least give you all the ones you can use first

[weary condor]

Idk man im prolly wrong🤷

[violet glen]

I don't know for sure either :D

[ornate saffron]

When your available pool is empty the mam will tell you there is no recipes to research. When you unlock new tech the recipe pool gets new options

[violet glen]

ah, so it won't let me waste them

good to know

[gaunt crypt]

The recipies you have available depend on what things you've unlocked but the link isn't always obvious nor does it always require all the techs you need to actually use it

[ornate saffron]

Correct. And there is more in the game then you need

[violet glen]

my main worry is falling into an abyss with my hdd stack in inventory lol

[weary condor]

Can you still put drives in so the time is alr done when you have more recipes unlocked, then just pop the researched drives when you unlock more recipes?

[gaunt crypt]

Without looking them up a good example of the mismatches would be something like "Alternate that you have all the base inputs but you lack the machine to process it."

[violet glen]

I'm also mildly annoyed that I can't do other research while an HDD is scanning

Since there will ALWAYS be one scanning for the forseeable future :D

[brittle dune]

there's not that many alternates

[ornate saffron]

I harddrive will not scan if there is no recipes in the pool

[violet glen]

So what if there's only one left in the pool 🤔

[brittle dune]

it will only give you one option
(it can also not let you scan, but you need to reload to get rid of that bug)

[gaunt crypt]

then pick a choice from one of 2 dozen you've been holding because you can't decide, the other falls back in the pool and do another research and get it back instantly.

[ornate saffron]

Then you will get one option to pick from

[gaunt crypt]

I think the only one option to pick from can only occur once you have unlocked the potential availability of all recipes in the pool

[violet glen]

I must be there soon. There's only one quarter of the map left with HDDs in it, and I'm not in Phase 3 yet

[gaunt crypt]

if you have one potentially available but others that are still locked behind researching a pre-req it will tell you none available but if you select one from all the drives you've scanned but not chosen(tossing the other back in the pool) it will let you scan and the offered techs will be the one you just threw back + the one that was in the pool.

[cold berry]

Can two separate train stations be connected?

[gaunt crypt]

if you're not in phase 3 yet there's a whole lot of unlocks not in your pool yet because you don't have the base recipes they alternate

[cold berry]

Like, in a row

[gaunt crypt]

I've done them with a minimal length of track between them. I think I've done them with just a platform between them

[violet glen]

yeah, I just... kinda went on a world spanning collection spree instead of doing Phase 3 lol

[gaunt crypt]

I usually end up doing a search each phase until I hit no more techs available then advance a phase. Early on it can really pay to limit your mam researches to ones that unlock the specific scans you want to keep your pool limited

assuming you know what they are anyway

[violet glen]

it's cheesable anyway if you really want specific ones

[gaunt crypt]

if its a first playthorugh I'd generally recommend not looking things up and just having fun unspoiled

[violet glen]

and yeah, I know all the recipes

[sour vale]

hello guys anyone can smn check screenshot channel pls? and tell me what is wrong ty;)

[scenic mirage]

send more pics in #1038092680493801533

[lean fossil]

@dapper pond you told me to use pipes...

[lean fossil]

#screenshots message I used pipes and now my machines are barely getting shit

[scenic mirage]

what is that 😭 naw

are you using oil nodes or ore nodes

[weary condor]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[lean fossil]

oil

[scenic mirage]

are they going uphill?

[lean fossil]

no.

[scenic mirage]

they can only go up 10 meters before you need pumps

they also take longer to travel long distances

its better to move items rather than liquids

[ornate saffron]

If you want darkness youll need to turn on global illumination. Warning this will cause a performance

[lean fossil]

are you telling me to make a mini plastic factory js to package this?

[scenic mirage]

not a performance 😱

[scenic mirage]

thats an option, or you could move the rest of your factory

[lean fossil]

the factory is literally right next to it

[gaunt crypt]

packaging/unpackaging makes sense in some scenarios I'd say the general rule is you're better off using pipes. But you have to design for pipes.

[scenic mirage]

bro theres no reason to be so angry, im trying to help

its literally just how pipes/fluids work

they dont do well traveling long distances

[lean fossil]

im not angry

[whole citrus]

You would be better off building your factory closer, otherwise just be patient for pipes to saturate. Also when load balancing liquids try to be exactly 100% efficient or provide an abundance of supply (unless it messes up production when waste outputs get involved)

Also something convenient for the future is you can overclock those oil extractors to reach the full 600 m^3/min of oil for a mk2 pipe if u wanted future expansion

[sour vale]

but in a closed area, isolated from the light its should be dark no?

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[gaunt crypt]

if you want to pipe over long distances you want a general downhill trend pretty much at all times. It doesn't have to be a steep or constant angle but you never want it to go up

[lean fossil]

im making 1.400 a minute.

[gaunt crypt]

if you have to go up at some point, pump it up to the full 20/50 meters there and then start going downhill again

[scenic mirage]

whats the capacity on the pipe

[lean fossil]

its literally full

[scenic mirage]

yes but how much can the pipe fit

[lean fossil]

then when it gets to the machines it breaks down and cant split itself up to 10 machines

[whole citrus]

Mk2 pipes can only flow 600 of that 1400 so id remove a couple of those extractors and make separate lines

[lean fossil]

what

[whole citrus]

What do you mean by breaks down?

[gaunt crypt]

and yes read the plumbing manual.

[lean fossil]

it js does one

[scenic mirage]

pipes cant carry an unlimited amount of fluid

[normal orbit]

pipe manual is quite outdated

[whole citrus]

Can you send a closer ss of the connection to your machines?

[whole citrus]

Still generally works tho id say

[gaunt crypt]

some minor things have changed im sure but I think people are better off starting from there than starting from whatever random ideas they have about how pipes work

[ornate saffron]

No, thats not how lights are programed in this game. If you want more realistic lighting you need to turn on global illumination.

This is on purpose so the game runs better on a larger range of computers and devices

[gaunt crypt]

but for liquids if you go with "sh*t flows downhill" and build to the implications of that you're in pretty good shape

add in a good understanding of headlift and you're golden. If there's a big disconnect in people's understanding of pipes a lot of it comes down to headlift not working the way that people imagine pumps work

all the stuff about sloshing and filling/unfilling sections helps for building right at the bleeding edge of theoretical throughput but trying to understand that is something you do when your well past the point of just trying to get liquid recipes working.

[wispy sun]

is it worth to delete my 50 hour save file that i made in the forest to make a new save in the desert?

[gaunt crypt]

depends on why you hate the forest.

[whole citrus]

Well dont delete it but start a new one, always fun to do a fresh start

[rich parrot]

1. I would remove the buffers or at least add valves before and after them, so oil does not slosh between buffers.
2. I would bring at least one more pipe from the extractors, if you are not planning on sharding them. Couple more pipes, if you do shard. You can only fit 600 oil per min to a mk 2 pipe, 300 per min to a mk 1.

[wispy sun]

uhh, forest has like less "flat" surface id say which makes building factories kinda hard idk how to explain it

[wispy sun]

i can have multiple saves?

[gaunt crypt]

no, i understand. I think forest is the most interesting starting zone for experienced players.

[wispy sun]

i am not experienced in any sort of way haha

[ornate saffron]

Its my favorite defualt starter location

[whole citrus]

Yes you can!

or you can just walk over to the desert and start anew there anyway if you wanted

[weary condor]

All the starting locations are areas on the same map

[wispy sun]

might be a dumb question but all biomes are combined in one world gen?

[gaunt crypt]

Desert is kinda a slog imo. It feels like grassy planes but with stronger megafauna.

[whole citrus]

Yes, the map isnt procedurally generated. It is the same map for any save

[weary condor]

Yep

[gaunt crypt]

And the color scheme really starts to drain the life out of you

[ornate saffron]

The map is a hand crafted master piece

[weary condor]

Fact check true

[wispy sun]

ahhhhhh that makes sense now

[gaunt crypt]

it is but brown sand gets old when you're trapped there

later in the game desert is a great place to expand to

[rich parrot]

I hate sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere. That is why you are meant to pave it all with beautiful concrete slabs.

[gaunt crypt]

I'm referring to the dune desert. The rocky desert... I honestly think is too easy.

you barely have to explore the world at all to have access to basically everything

Grassy plains is safe and easy early on but you do actually have to really explore beyond it's borders making for a much more interesting overall game

Forest is the only one that you really have to work with the geography. All the other 3 have plenty of open space right from the get go.

Eventually you can clear tons of space there if that's the way you choose to go of course.

[marsh ocean]

can someone help me with train signals? i got one that isnt working and i hav eno idea what to do

[rich parrot]

#1038092680493801533

[marsh ocean]

oh ok my bad

[rich parrot]

Signals usually require images, and you can't post them here in the main chat. Questions channel allows images.

[marsh ocean]

i am currently doing that

[floral orbit]

Can you tell me something?

For example, I'm producing 200 Steal Beams in the factory where it is located, but it only consumes 100.

And in another factory far away, where I'm going to deliver a train, that factory needs 60. In the train's loader/unloader, do I create a MK1 belt to limit it to 60, or do I put all the rest there?

[supple canopy]

if you put a single mk1 belt you'll never achieve a 60/min throughput because of the waiting time while the train loads/unloads. The freight stations will stop working during the animation

[amber crater]

so you need another buffer

[violet glen]

You can work around that by putting a buffer storage in front of it, and hook that up with two max speed belts

[amber crater]

yeaaaa

[supple canopy]

but for your question it depends on what you want to do with the extra 40/min. My advice would be to put it in storage

[violet glen]

My usual way to train is to just have a "Product A source station", and then each destination gets a train from there. Eventually the trains saturate.

Don't do that though if you only produce small amounts. It will take ages to saturate

[supple canopy]

so all 100/min go to the other factory, set a smart splitter to "overflow" and that overflow goes into a storage container

[feral vector]

That's pretty awesome lol

[cunning siren]

Yea, build gun best gun in combat situations 😆

[amber crater]

combat becomes more of a mild inconvenience once you unlock the rifle

[violet glen]

depends on the enemy

the green big spiders are always a nuisance

[floral orbit]

What I normally do is check how much input the factory needs; in this case, it's 100/min, but another needs 60/min. The other 40 would be stored in a storage system for builds (coveyor mk3).
This was just an example, but will it always be worthwhile to transport more than necessary by train?

[amber crater]

homing rifle ammo...

[cunning siren]

This is the power tower panic room version with top mounted hypertube cannon looper #screenshots message

[amber crater]

homing rifle ammo means that if you have enough ammo nothing is really a danger to you

[violet glen]

If you're dealing with still single mk1 belts of throughpouts, not sure I'd be building a train for that, over just a belt

[supple canopy]

Depends on your view, transporting more than needed is waste. If you're not minmaxing every single ressource on the map then it's not a big deal, and you'll make sure your system isn't starving. However do NOT use a single freight car to handle two different overproduced items

[floral orbit]

"However, do NOT use a single freight car to handle two different overproduced items." What does that mean? In the example I gave, it was a steal beam; do I put the same item in two freight cars?

[violet mango]

i mean you could as long as you use a smart splitter to separate out the two imo

[winged root]

Can’t you just get rid of the excess using sinks allowing for it too offload still

[supple canopy]

it was for general knowledge in case you want to mix items in the future

[floral orbit]

I rarely used trains for transport because I use mods that have an item transfer system.
But now, since I wanted to stop using that mod, I wanted to use the train. But the likely thing I should do is one train for each item or one train for each factory item.
If the factory has 3 items to give to other factories, I only use one train.

[supple canopy]

if you're overproducing item A and producing the exact amount of item B and put them both in the same car, item A will eventually fill the freight car and reduce item B throughput. You can sink item A excess AFTER the unloading but you'd need another storage buffer

[supple canopy]

one freight car per item. A single train can carry several different items

[floral orbit]

I wrote that badly.

[supple canopy]

and once you get familiar with trains you can play around with mixing items if you want

[floral orbit]

I have a save file that has one rail to go and another to come back.
Instead of just one, I have two. I don't know how to explain it exactly in English.
But there are two rail tracks.

[violet glen]

That's how you do a rail network, yeah. Two tracks, each stricly one-way

That way, with proper signalling, trains can go from anywhere to anywhere on the whole network

It's more fun without proper signalling tho

[wispy sun]

if i have right now 8 coal generators that have 3 water extractors flowing into them, and if i wanted to add another 4 coal power generators i will need to add another miner so that i get 180 coal per min, but will i need another water extractor?

[violet glen]

yeah, unless you overclock them

each generator needs a set amount of water per minute, and the extractors produce a set amount per minute

[wispy sun]

but dont each extractor produce 200 per minute?

[violet glen]

180

[weary aspen]

Hello

[wispy sun]

ahh okay

got it, thanks just wanted to know

[violet glen]

120 even, sorry

3 of them match perfectly the demand of 8 coal gens

[reef basin]

120

[summer smelt]

Everything gets a lot easier when you OC it. 300 out from single one of them. And that's just right amount to fill mk1 pipe

[winged root]

200 great 250 overclock is a bit of a pain

Too many decimals to work with

[tall lantern]

why's that useful when coal gens take 45, or 112.5 at max OC? Be a right pain trying to fit an actual useful amount through pipes, and it doesn't make the ratios any better

[summer smelt]

4x 112,5 = 450. 450x2 = 900. Just pump those numbers little higher and you get really clean setups

[reef basin]

decimals are in no way harder to work with than any other number

[unkempt blade]

yeah factory carts needing 46.666666 screws each isn't just fine it's what makes them so special

[elder oracle]

decimals are decimals

[winged root]

I dislike looking at values with 10+ decimals, much prefer the clean look of whole numbers

I can of course round up but then I’ll know my machines are running sub optimally

[reef basin]

or clock them to run optimally

[smoky forge]

decimils are also just numbers

[winged root]

Yes

They are indeed messy numbers

[elder oracle]

I need to show yall a picture of my steel rods-screws factory for fused modular frame

[small crypt]

ive alt'd screws completely out of my game

[smoky forge]

for me there are no such things as messy numbers

if it has a rythm, then it can eventualy add up to an even number

[weary condor]

@unkempt blade have constructors feeding my bio gens (bc im lazy) and it got backed up bc all gens were full, ffs

[smoky forge]

make an inbetween storage

[weary condor]

nah ima just shutoff constructors till it burns some fuel 🤷

only really care bc I use power graph to diagnose feeding issues when I build factories

[unkempt blade]

ahh interesting. I hadn't thought about generators but that makes sense for the numbers you said you saw

[unkempt blade]

Just round them to the nearest whole number and tolerate a little less than perfect machine efficiency numbers. It feels good

[wise junco]

I ate some factory carts

[old badger]

every single time I escape, you reel me back in again ad infinitum like Jigsaw the Sports Fisherman

[unkempt blade]

Same, I had factory cart salad for lunch. It was delicious

[wise junco]

Yum yum yum

[leaden turret]

all decimals are whole numbers if you mess around with binary data

[small crypt]

when i place a splitter on one end of a conveyor lift, it "replaces" the business end of it, will it properly feed items to that lift?

[unkempt blade]

you should send it some items and find out

[small crypt]

theyre like

on the other side of the map right now, gotta build belt highway

[unkempt blade]

something to look forward to when you finish then!

[weak field]

#screenshots message anyone know of a fix for this?

[glossy scarab]

whats the problem with an object clipping when i place it?

[wise junco]

not sure i understand your question

[glossy scarab]

should i guve you the usuak service fee of $100,000?

anyways, when 2 objects overlap, they obviously turn yellow and say "clipping may occur." what does this mean? What are the downsides?

[wise junco]

just means parts of the objects may clip into each other graphically. that's all

[glossy scarab]

oh ok

another thing

if i wanted to split 4 constructers that make 15 iron bars a secound into 6 constructers that take 10 iron bars a secound each., how do i do that?

[wise junco]

merge everything together and use a manifold of splitters to feed the second row of constructors

[glossy scarab]

early game-ish*

[smoky forge]

that has nothing to do with early game

just use mergers and splitters all the way through

!wikisearch manifold

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[glossy scarab]

whoa

thanks everyone. . . and satisfactory bot?

[smoky forge]

also check out the calculator from greeny

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

alr imma dip

gn

[wild phoenix]

@orchid bolt straight build mode

[fringe shadow]

#screenshots i did ittt finally 😄

[wise junco]

nice!

[fringe shadow]

whats the injection manifold

[wise junco]

the one in the bottom right

[fringe shadow]

xd

@terse nacelle #screenshots message

do u use a mod or why does it take 5k xd?

[terse nacelle]

satisfactory 1.2 Experimental adds custom gamemodes

were playing on 100x Elevator Parts and Random Nots with random note pureness

[fringe shadow]

like easy, medium, hard and hardcore?

ahh thats cool

[terse nacelle]

nah settings like a multiplyer for recipe cost, power consumsion, node settings etc

[hollow kelp]

I have just an opinion kinda question. just got done phase 2 into phase 3 now. Now that i can process oil. trying to figyure out what my next step is, should I do rubber and then make the residue into fuel or should i do plastic?

[wise junco]

it's all up to what you need at the moment

[whole robin]

how much of each are you going to need?

[shadow talon]

If you make a new game to try the creative mode, does your original one overwrite?

[hollow kelp]

idk yet lol

[old badger]

yes

[hollow kelp]

Im not sure what a goood number to start is

[wise junco]

look at what you might want to make and base it off of that

[old badger]

as much as you possibly can

[fringe shadow]

what i did was, i did rubber and plastic on the same plattform and made fuel from the pipe outputs into packaged fuel for jetpack

[whole robin]

if you just need them for building things, making them from polymer gotten from making fuel might be good enough until you actually need to start automating rubber/plastic

[small crypt]

i swear the amount if asinine tedium is intentional

spend 20 minutes messing around with foundations and ladders so i could put a hole like 180 blocks high to put a conveyor lift into, finally get it after touching water like 9 times and it cancelling my selection then making me stuck in build mode so i cant get out, then i climb all the way down my ladders and dismantle and the conveyer is like, stick outside of itself

[whole robin]

What?

[small crypt]

#screenshots message

[hearty flame]

is it possible to have different drones use one same drone port?

[true mulch]

yes, there is no limit to how many drones can have the same destination port

[whole robin]

oh yeah lifts just do that if they go up far enough, should still work fine though

[small crypt]

i almost dismantled it 😭

[hearty flame]

ty, i wasnt gonna try smth just for it to not work lol

[shadow talon]

Anyone know how to turn on "Creative mode"?

[true mulch]

in 1.1 it's under advanced game settings

you have to enable it when starting a new game or loading a save

!wikisearch AGS

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=AGS

[shadow talon]

Does it overwride the original world if your making a new one?

[true mulch]

only if you overwrite the previous save when saving the game

and you can start as many new games as you want

well, at least on PC, dunno how it works on console

[unkempt blade]

just be careful finishing the game because it'll suck you into a wormhole and dump you into a new planet in a mirror universe with all your stuff deleted

it's a really good mechanic but it catches some people off guard

[violet glen]

I wish there was a priority pipe merger... My Aluminium-Setup keeps locking up because the water outputs of the scrap makers run full.

[dense violet]

so don't mix the fresh and waste

[violet glen]

But where to with the output water?

Package and sink it? Seems a bit excessive

[dense violet]

pinged you in other channel

[next ivy]

into more aluminium
or sink it
or into pure metal

[ivory condor]

Can use a vip for that

[small crypt]

i havent done much yet but something tells me the available logistics systems in the game dont do well with recycling in processes

[ivory condor]

Well belts did get a priority merger but pipes dont have a equivalent, at least not officially

Aka the vip can work for pipes or fail because of unknown reasons

[dense violet]

you have exceedingly simple tools for that
since it's what we'eve had for years

[ivory condor]

The only real byproducts you have to worry about is water and wet concrete is a easily solution, dark matter late game but also easy solution for that to

[dense violet]

pinged you in the other channel with the simplest solution that doesn't need other materials. Just uses clocking

[small crypt]

oooh interesting

that will definitely come in clutch

currently working on finishing up applying the last advice you gave me haha

[wise junco]

🔴

[small crypt]

sigh

cant get back to what i was working on because literally every path to it has stingers for some reason, even though they were never there before

[wise junco]

psh, just make it peaceful

[small crypt]

theyll still be there

gonna just wait them out maybe theyll move on

satisfactory the game that made me afraid of cats 😭

[ivory condor]

But at least they wont attack

And if you turn them into cats you can pretend you live on a world that just has mews

[small crypt]

lol

yeah idk whats wrong with me

ugh

3/4 of my splitters just randomly not working

[dense violet]

blueprint?

[small crypt]

no this time i built from scratch

because blueprints were doing that to me

[dense violet]

that seems a bit unlikely, unless you weren't listening to the click sound when a legal connection is being made

[leaden turret]

@small crypt you do have options 😛

[small crypt]

not sure what that is, i snapped them all the same exact way #screenshots message theyre also not working when i dismantle and replace, trying a few things rn to see if i can fix it though

[dense violet]

how are they not working? some just blocked?

[small crypt]

some just work, and some don't #screenshots message

[dense violet]

and by 'sound' I mean if you spin the head of the lift around when it's facing the right way there'll be a small 'click' sound

[small crypt]

hmm, lemme try replacing the lifts instead

[dense violet]

wait wdym 'placing the lifts instead' ?

[small crypt]

i got the beep sound

i was trying to replace the splitter, to no avail

i did replace the lift though, and i got the sound, and placed it, but no luck

yeah like 2 or 3 will be working, then the next 5 wont, then 1 or 2 will, then a random amount after wont

[dense violet]

ok are thes vertical splitters?

[small crypt]

they should be, i snapped them onto the lift

and some of them are working

[dense violet]

it sounds like you're doing something very weird

make a regular belt with regular splitters and regular lifts coming from the side

[dense violet]

oh I'm looking at the images again, youre NOT using vertical splitters

you're just doing a really bad clipping of the lifts throug hthe bottom

yeah don't do that

of course half of them aren't going to work, it's a very glitchy way to build things

[small crypt]

idk how to make them vertical like the rest of them

[dense violet]

use the side of the splitter to build the lift, don't clip them through the bottom

you'll need to move the splitters

or use the opposite side and just clip the lifts through the pipes

[small crypt]

yeah...thats not a thing, it just took me 7 hours to line it up

[dense violet]

pinged you in other channel

[small crypt]

😭 i tore down the whole pipeline earlier and rebuilt it from scratch specifically to fix clipping

#screenshots message

why does it work fine here?

[dense violet]

that looks like a vertical splitter

[hollow turret]

this hurt to look at

[dense violet]

in any case , now you knwo the problem
another questino though, did you even math the water? you've got so many wateer extractors

[small crypt]

blame them not me, the snap points on lifts dont line up

[small crypt]

i have 24 extractors, 2 coal gens per, 90/2 = 45

[dense violet]

you just clipped the lift on the left through the foundation. I'm not surprised it's not level

[dense violet]

each extracto does 120 water

[small crypt]

the lift on the left is snapped to a hole

like, specifically

[dense violet]

eh not surprised clipping splitters ot the ceiling doesn't line up
in any case

1. don't use glitchy methods of cilpping lifts through the bottom of normal splitters
2. do more math on your water

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[small crypt]

my water is perfect

[dense violet]

very convenient layouts for coal gens

[dense violet]

you have way more water extractors than you need

[small crypt]

yeah because doing it the other way looked ass, and 45 doesnt go into 120 in any way that looks good

materials are infinite

[dense violet]

literally showed you a link on how to do that

[hollow turret]

#screenshots message do this instead

[small crypt]

thats exactly what i do

[small crypt]

#screenshots message

same as the topside

[cold berry]

I didn't know there was an overflow option on Smart splitters ;-;

Now I want to do a playthrough where the end goal is a central storage area that DD's items and throws any overflow for anything in the game into a sink array

[hollow turret]

still applys tho

[small crypt]

ok having some success re-snapping the splitter to the belt then rebuilding the lifts

might save me from rebuilding the whole thing

i get this working then go back and try to figure out what you mean by clipping lifts, cause it looks exactly the same to me

do they not work the same upside down as they do upright?

[white dawn]

COME TO THE LIGHT

But yeah, Depots or not, overflow-to-sink is A+ for both flat power consumption lines and coupon generation. :D

[small crypt]

but yeah idk if it's "inefficient" but underclocking extractors to provide 90 instead of 120 made coal generators WAY easier for me to build

[wise junco]

that's independent factories with extra logistical steps 👀

[weak axle]

Underclocking is one of the best early-game things, especially if you want the flat power usage graph
Then you can expand the infrastructure as well, which is great as you get better conveyors

[dense violet]

you really don't want to do that with fluids

[weak axle]

OH we're talking about water extractors

[weak axle]

My bad, I read this in the sense of a coal extractor

[wise junco]

do what? did I miss something?

#screenshots message

that's right... kick rocks, bozo. don't make me do it

[small crypt]

next time i do coal gens (lol literally never again) i will do the lifts and splitters like i did on my foundries here

vertical stuff is so wonky

@hollow turret see the snap points for lifts just suck, i tried just about everything but ended up just not caring what underneath looks like because there was no solution

#screenshots message

[sudden flint]

Kind of hitting a brick wall right now. I've got the lion's share of tier 4-5 done, but don't have very much automated past plastic/rubber and motors... What lines do I make, where, and how centralized am I supposed to start making this?

[small crypt]

@dense violet Thank you for the advice, and for catching what was going wrong. I will avoid snapping splitters to lift heads in all future builds. It will prevent a ton of the issues I just had to deal with. Didn't even know it was a glitch.

#screenshots message

3600 mj now I can play the game

[wise junco]

I wish it didn't act jank, but sometimes it does

Some of the jank is learned the hard way. That's one of the biggest ones imo

In general splitting belts by placing mergers/splitters on them CAN be problematic sometimes too. You can do it, just make sure it actually split the belt by hovering over in dismantle mode

[dense violet]

making fluid systems to expand upon later rather than making different sections

[dense violet]

Automate every part is step 1. Otherwise the rest of the tutorial will be hell

[west jackal]

What are yalls thoughts on inline train stations?

[ornate saffron]

for satisfactory?

[west jackal]

Screw autocorrect

[wise junco]

Currently paying for that but almost on the other side

[dense violet]

do you mean stations on the main line? worst thing

[ornate saffron]

screws should be made where they are used. Preferably directly feeding the machines that use them

[wise junco]

Am I the only one that hand crafts a bunch to rush tiers then regrets it? 🤣

[west jackal]

No, like my nuclear plant will have a dozen or more trains coming into it.

[dense violet]

I don't understand what yo umean by 'inline' then. Having lots of stations at a poitn is normal

[small crypt]

i would rather place an assembler and shove stuff in it by hand than hand craft anything

[west jackal]

No.. like. 3 sets of 4 stations that are connected in series.

So 3 lines parallel with 4 in series

[dense violet]

ok that's almost as bad, why would you want all your trains to wait for hte ones in front to get out of the way?

[west jackal]

Thats what I thought, I just saw someone doing it...

What about 1 line parallel to all the stations with splits to go into the station with bunch of blocks/paths?

[dense violet]

that'll put HUGE delays on everything and you need very long waiting areas in front

[dense violet]

sketch what you mean in #design-and-architecture

[sick oak]

Is there some kind of map showing where people usually set up their bases

[dense violet]

anywhere there are nodes

[wise junco]

I think there's a lot less predictability than you think on that

[sick oak]

Fair

[wise junco]

Legitimately, I just set up radar towers and start looking around at distances, especially from my train network

[dense violet]

the game forces you to expand and everyone builds differently.

and the milestones are basically a tutorial

[sick oak]

I dont have trains yet

Yeah i figure that

How do you go about fuelling up trucks early on

[wise junco]

Like I'm sure if people saw where I built some stuff they'd go ???

[sick oak]

I keep having to come back and put fuel in

[wise junco]

Usually coal

[sudden flint]

Tutorial o-O!?

[sick oak]

Wait you can use coal in trucks?

[dense violet]

build next to coal or hav eatruck dropping off fuel 🙂

[sick oak]

Oh shit

[west jackal]

Oops

[dense violet]

satisfactory is much more like mine craft than factorio

the tiers teach you how to use everything and the phases can be completed by the dirtiest sloppiest factories yo ucan make

[west jackal]

Tiers 1-9

[dense violet]

after you unlock everything you can create a sandbox wsith your own projects 🙂

[sudden flint]

ah

[sick oak]

Dirty sloppy is fine with me i just keep having to redo my factories and run around so much

[west jackal]

Thats part of it

[sudden flint]

and in roughly what order should I prioritize them?

[dense violet]

you don't have to to finish the tiers, just let them plug along

[west jackal]

Prioritize what

[small crypt]

sloppy is hard to scale, i basically stopped building anything that i can't tile

[west jackal]

You mean sloppy alumina or build style

[dense violet]

the way I go through the tiers is sloppy. I just let everything over flow into storages so I can have thousands of parts for the new ones , even if it's not stable

[small crypt]

style in general

[sick oak]

Ill set up coal for my trucks

[sick oak]

Yeah i do

[wise junco]

Coal will work great for you on that tbh

[west jackal]

Ewwww

[west jackal]

Just get explorer and plut rods for it

[sudden flint]

the parts to make

[west jackal]

What parts are you talking about though

[wise junco]

Make whatever you need now, first

[west jackal]

There is a thousand parts 😥

[dense violet]

make everything
do the ones that you need for the next machines first I guess?

[west jackal]

Motors and eib are most important t4 items imo

[sudden flint]

... I think I'm gonna start with Crystal Occilators

[west jackal]

Crystal osc are the least important imo

[sudden flint]

With the iron wire alt its just iron + quartz

[west jackal]

Didn't automate till t7/8

[sudden flint]

Got those

[young sentinel]

i lied. i was wrong. i have not fixed the issue.
underclocking is making a difference, but i feel like the math should check out without underclocking.

[west jackal]

What are you doing?

[wise junco]

Automating some form of explosive is very helpful

[west jackal]

Seconded

[young sentinel]

setting up fuel power

[west jackal]

Hor/dpf alts?

[young sentinel]

regular style

[west jackal]

Well i wouldnt really recommend, but regardless. Check your ammount of fuel being made, and the ammount being used. Make sure that pipes are full (not flow, but physically full) and let the gens fill before turning on

[jaunty jewel]

hi yellow berry that could be considered used for pharmaceutical reasons

[sudden flint]

I got plenty of that from a handcrafting binge a good while ago

[wise junco]

Hello gltich!!

[jaunty jewel]

how have you been

[wise junco]

Dead inside. You?

[jaunty jewel]

fantastic

i am sorry to hear things have not been great !

on another note yeah automating explosives is a good idea, exploring without an endless supply of them through depot is a chore especially if you find yourself exploring for hours like i do

[feral vector]

hmm maybe I should do this, I have more to unlock though been slacking on the MAM

[wise junco]

The MAM will be your best friend

[feral vector]

yeah I have almost everything I have access to just missing some sulfur stuff

[wise junco]

Mmm sulfur. Tasty

[soft oyster]

miner mk.4 when🔥

[wise junco]

I eated it

[feral vector]

oh yeah I just unlocked the mk3

I've been slamming milestones so fast I haven't even used any of the stuff yet lol

just need to unlock the last one with turbo motors then I can see what all the phase 4 space elevator parts need and plan some factories

[ornate saffron]

Its real late. BUT i can turn on my nuclear setup.... moment of truth

[fringe shadow]

annnnd did it work ?

[willow pond]

is there a way to do the "lift end shoved into a splitter/merge" without needing to anchor it on the other end first

[celest cypress]

Does the hazmat suit protect against poison too?
Like can it serve as a gas mask

[fringe shadow]

@small crypt

#screenshots message why use 24 water extractor for 48 coal power gens

[hushed frigate]

why is the ost in swamp so evil

[weary condor]

i hate this game sm

[clever pier]

yes as long as you have filters

and the gas mask

need all three for radiation protection

[fringe shadow]

xd why

[jaunty jewel]

no you need the gas mask too

[weary condor]

did 80% instead of 60% clock :/

tore my hair out for an hour and only spotted it in photo mode from across the map

[meager jacinth]

is it smarter to setup train system or run converyer belt when trynna transport thigns over a long distance

[stuck dagger]

up to you

I personally hate conveyors outside factories

[dense violet]

train's benefit is you can reuse the same rails for other train slater

[meager jacinth]

im worried that trains will be too slow

[stuck dagger]

How so tho

[meager jacinth]

bc they have to go back and forth and also load/unload

[dense violet]

any vehicle or logistic choice in the game can move any amount you like

[meager jacinth]

im trying to just use one non loop track

or is it worth making it loop

[warped whale]

Sounds like that would depend on your needs. Like, what are you moving and how far? Start small, expand as needed.

[dense violet]

if you ever want to run more than 1 train you should proabably make 2 lane tracks

like a road

[meager jacinth]

plastic, rubber, resin, and petro coke and in the future iron ore

from like the bottm right lake to the bottom left starter area

[twin parcel]

#screenshots message

Yea I hate acu

[warped whale]

Good distance for a train, I had a similar pickup for plastic to my main base, never had to worry about trains not getting enough unless I wasnt making enough

My current run all I have is one train back and forth so far, plastic to circuit board and computer factory.

[meager jacinth]

alright thanks

[reef basin]

Then build more, or longer

[topaz gale]

I have never played Satisfactory before and I just want to start a MP world with my friend.
Is it a bad idea to start on 1.2 experimental?

[orchid bolt]

Is 20 modular frames a minute to much for a starter factory???

[reef basin]

Not a bad idea, but I'd recommend first playthrough to be solo

[reef basin]

Can probably last you rest of the game, so why not

[orchid bolt]

Alr thanks

[topaz gale]

Well.
It's a bit late for that cause both of us already bought the game.
Can I ask the reason tho?

[dense violet]

the milestones are basically a tutorial to a more sand box game
any section of the things they do and you don't you won't learn. and vice versa

the actual phases to complete are not really a challenge, the sloppiest systems with zero thought made into them could complete the 'end'.

[fleet crypt]

If you have you or your friend open up a world, I think it's fine to start multiplayer, don't skip onboarding though

[reef basin]

well, if each of you will build half of the factory, each player will learn only half the things 🙂

[fiery root]

Fellas just a weird thought, are we really the good guys?

[reef basin]

you can still play each on your own, or you can do multiplayer anyway. It's your choice

it's just that very often we get people coming here saying "help friend built factory that sucks and I don't know how to fix"

[strange vortex]

Rn I'm so motivated to play satisfactory

[young sentinel]

this time i may have actually fixed it.
the math was off. i just pumped more shards into the oil extractor.

[jagged nymph]

hows it goin fellow people

[young sentinel]

i am learning that no image means no images.
im uhhhh haanngin in there

[jagged nymph]

what

[young sentinel]

i tried posting a gif and it only shared the url

[jagged nymph]

#satisfactory-memes

[reef basin]

well yeah, gifs are disabled in this channel for this very reason (we had them enabled before and the channel isn't really readable once every third message is random reaction gif)

most other channels have embeds enabled tho

[west jackal]

to be fair. im having weird pipe issues

we had a pipe that just ... stopped

it was at 300/min and then a few minutes later after redoing some power lines, it stopped. the pipes werent touched, it wasnt headlift, and on a flat section i broke out pieces into container to monitor. basically just had to replace some pipes

actually aparently had 2 pipes that just glitched and stopped working...

[hard stump]

Haven’t peeked in here in god knows when. So I know from my og pc days but now on console no pc it could be months on experimental or just a few weeks.
Anyone know the chances of this update going full live this month?
Not here to wine about if it does or doesent. But I’m building a big factory daisy chain would be so much easier on lol so wondering if it’s worth it to wait

[reef basin]

not much, probably close to 0 imo

you can play on experimental now tho

[fiery pewter]

Yes.

[west jackal]

of course, ficsit is here to save the day

[young sentinel]

im just trying to make it through the day

[west jackal]

ugh stupid 600/m pipes not staying at 600/m 😠

[fiery pewter]

Fill em more

[abstract heron]

what is connected after them

[west jackal]

its refineries into some blenders

[reef basin]

let me guess, you have a pipe manifold

[west jackal]

sometimes the blenders going into other refiners dont take enough fluid

[west jackal]

ofc

[reef basin]

loop it and make the loop vertical

[west jackal]

it is

atleast the inputs are

[reef basin]

like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1488410915371225188/1488735674763968614/image.png?ex=69d71724&is=69d5c5a4&hm=ec895347c00655bcefdf614636909a1974af7c69de68fd94574c36439baeefb7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[west jackal]

but the outputs are what seem to back up

[reef basin]

you can loop those as well, same loop style, just the main pipe will be below instead of above

[west jackal]

what if one is below the other..

its a plastic recyclying plant. the HOR and diluted fuel are on same level, the plastic handling is the floor above

should i still loop it?

how does looping work for outputs though, i mean i see what you said, but ive never done an output loop before

i could split it into 2x300 pipes.... itll take a long time but i can do it if you think itd be that beneficial

im tired of shit turning off though

[reef basin]

you can split into smaller pipes as well, yeah

[west jackal]

would it help much? we have 12 pipes at 600/min and 1 at 400/min

so itll add a lot of complexity to do that, the loops would be easier, just not sure how to merge the loop back into one

what does looping output actually do? it seems to just be a small buffer tank lol

[dense violet]

you don't need to loop outputs

and if you want to avoid hitting the throughput limit of 600 for easier pipes, you can just break them down into smaller sections. Sections of 300 for example

[west jackal]

if i want to keep it in 600 pipes, how do i fix outputs backing up and starving the inputs of the next step

[green fiber]

Fuel or HOR?

[west jackal]

yes

[dense violet]

you loop the next inputs

[west jackal]

did that.

[dense violet]

as mentioned

[green fiber]

HOR: please try to do 300/min lines and then try to merge those.
into 600
Any other configuration is very finicky

[west jackal]

with your loop design/picture

[dense violet]

flood it by under clocking the system and once flooded clock them back up

[green fiber]

Fuel you can do the same as with HOR

[west jackal]

tried that too. but the fuel backs up in the blenders

okay, so basically.. just do 300 pipes.

[fiery root]

Fellas i stumbled upon a little Problem. My only cool node seems to be without any trace of water. Should i try to manage that Logistik nightmare or search for other cool nodes?

[green fiber]

Depends on how exactly you piped it

If you did it with 600 pipes first or 300 pipes

[west jackal]

well, its 600 pipes everywhere

[green fiber]

Wrong choice unfortunately

When you are at or below 300 flow, you use mk 1 pipes for stability reasons

[dense violet]

the next step might be clogged

typically you trouble shoot from the end point and work your way backwards

what is the final step?

[west jackal]

ive done that, but the recycled plastic refiners are starved of fuel

[dense violet]

ok and the blenders are clogged of fuel?

[west jackal]

they alternate between clogged of fuel and starved for HOR

whenever i think ive fixewd it, it alternates to the other issue

[dense violet]

time to do a #1038092680493801533 post and give lost of detailed overhead shots

[west jackal]

overhead wouldnt really be helpful unfortunately...

itll have to not be tonight at any rate, almost 2am

[dense violet]

can't solve the issues if we can't see the layout

rip the roof off and take images tomorrow

[smoky flame]

Whoever created the train bootcamp save, what a legend

[west jackal]

i know. not sure how to get you pictures when there are refiners over refineries with conveyors over the pipes

[dense violet]

with difficulty I imagine

[west jackal]

and pipes that go under the floors/back over the floors

[dense violet]

there could easily be a bunch of small issues how you've laid out all your pipes

[west jackal]

true

[dense violet]

... you're feeding your machines from below aren't you...

[west jackal]

and it makes it worse that I didnt lay them out...

[west jackal]

well, some of them have to be because there are 2 floors of refineries

but the input loop is level/above the machine

[merry rapids]

Heya!

[dense violet]

the ones fed from below are probably giving you issues and if you "didnt lay them out" it might be not worth trying to fix

cause you only do messy pipes if you don't care about production rates

[west jackal]

none are "fed from below" from the things causing issues. the input pipe is below at some point, but again the input loop is never under the machine. so as far as the machines are concerned they are not fed from below

i would think?

[dense violet]

possibly not. but again, would have to see hte layout

[west jackal]

ill try, hold on