satisfactory

[plucky bone]

Here. I tried this. Like I said. Hate these things. Like what am I doing wrong? Might be off a few items for input but I added what I calculated for my factory and zero results. My factory is working as is too. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=y9jMzUMRrNWwiULbShQg

[serene jolt]

but how sure are you it's only been 90

[oblique aspen]

sky platforms are the lazy solution, the map is huge all on its own, and building around the landscape is a fun on its own

[small crypt]

steam says 90

[small crypt]

eh i am bad at creativity

[serene jolt]

once you get pillars just pillar up a bit

i just build frames around the sky boxes

[small crypt]

ah my autosave says 1h37m so i guess steams a little behind, eh about 90 😆

[small crypt]

yeah there are a lot of branching paths right now definitely gonna get into all the base building stuff now

[gusty junco]

What do those of yall who work actually do for a job? I’m wondering how much the interest in Satisfactory translates into the real world for people

[small crypt]

I'm a software engineer, so I deliver doordash

[river lion]

I'm studying engineering (civil/structural)

[fluid sapphire]

Enabling all recipes and increasing the bauxite supply tells us that it's not possible to produce what you requested given the recipes you selected with the inputs you provided

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=x7rZtAb2g1ndoqvU1A0r

[plucky bone]

I figured it out. Had to change 301 to 300 and 600 to 900 water. Even though I am not adding the extra water it is recycled. Still took longer to do that than a pen and paper.

[lean fossil]

#screenshots message any way to fix this.

[fluid sapphire]

Beams and beam connectors for the corners

[lean fossil]

awesome shop?

[river lion]

yea

[fluid sapphire]

Yes

[lean fossil]

uh i lwk dont find it-

wait structual beam pack?

[hushed frigate]

after so much time...

i have finally made

one ingredient for the ACU

what would we say the hardest component of the ACU is to manufacture?

[lean fossil]

#design-and-architecture message like this?

[hard ivy]

Because you're overcomplicating it? Just put in the amount you want and it'll calculate it

[fluid sapphire]

HMF surely?

[steady dome]

@summer smelt #screenshots message -> Don't worry the next phase is more fun 🙃 🤣

[plucky bone]

How do I know what I want when i need to do the math to figure out inputs?

[hushed frigate]

oh, sweet, thats what i just made a factory for

[hard ivy]

It calculates the inputs for you
You don't need to touch them

[plucky bone]

Like my original post said. I can't put in 600 aluminum ingots and it gives me results.

[fluid sapphire]

Automated wiring is pretty easy, circuit boards and computers you probably make in the same factory anyway

[summer smelt]

I already miss my powershard facility

[steady dome]

I don't blame you! But honestly this is a good way to focus on design and building a living world

[hushed frigate]

im following off satisfactorytools, so its taking excess from each factory to put into others

[summer smelt]

I cannot build cool looking buildings, but i sure can make engine cry from objective limits

[fluid sapphire]

That works

[inland kelp]

can someone helpo me fix my game i just download and added a blueprint and its now not opening and i have done this many times and it has worked

[wispy sun]

ill need to connect 2 normal iron nodes to 2 different foundries to produce steel beam and steel pipe at the same time right?

[summer smelt]

blueprints have issues right now in experimental version

[inland kelp]

So it will be fixed?

[summer smelt]

most likely

if you made vehicle paths in blueprint, it will crash. Some other random blueprint issues been long time there. Check QA if you can find solution by other players

[edgy python]

when i middle click on a pipeline that isnt clean (has fluid indicator) and is customized with a certain colour for some reason when i build the pipe the fluid indicator turns orange(not how it actually was on the original pipeline is there anyway to stop this from happening

[inland kelp]

I did get rid of the blue print from my files and it’s still not working

[summer smelt]

whole game not working or blueprint?

[inland kelp]

hole game

whole*

its just crashes

[summer smelt]

mods?

[steady dome]

Practice makes perfect 😉

[inland kelp]

none'

[summer smelt]

Step 1: verify files.
Step 2: if didn't work. https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Launch_arguments try different launch methods
Step 3: Uninstall. Touch some grass. Come back and install

If you didn't BACKUP YOUR SAVE and it did corrupt. Rip

[inland kelp]

thx i just watch some guy who bearly spoke eng on yt and it worked

i just did -d3d111

but i get half the fps that i use to

[summer smelt]

yeah as your computer works much better with dx12. Now you use DX11. Try to switch it back to DX12. Should work like it used to. In the options, not in launch setup

[dense violet]

you asked it to produce more items than the 600 bauxite you allowed it for https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=cSGSoEzb66NiYbrxzO0a

[inland kelp]

thx it works just like it use to

love you bro

no homo

[summer smelt]

i accept good night kisses

[inland kelp]

works for me

[sick oak]

My power keeps tripping and i just cant figure out why 😭 😭 😭 😭

[dense violet]

if you're connecting it to a system that has a tripped power producer it auto trips

you might have an empty bio burner or just another power plant

[sick oak]

I had a section of pipe that wasnt watering i just deleted it and replaced it and its working now

[fallen orbit]

Except actually going and collecting mercer spheres and MAM research
Is there anything that stops you from getting dimensional depos?

[hard ivy]

You'd also need to get steel from crash sites and/or doggos

But yes, you can get them in tier 2

[fallen orbit]

That's fine anything else like manufacturers?

That's great news because I am a returning player after an year so

Also is there a estimate on how many mercer spheres I should collect to not be interrupted for a while?

I know there's upgrades and such too so like medium level upgrades

[gritty thorn]

hey is satisfactory worth it

[fallen orbit]

Yes

[royal gazelle]

Value for time, absolutely

[gritty thorn]

ive played mindustry for a long time and just recently started factorio

[gritty thorn]

is satisfactory fully offline?

[royal gazelle]

Also yes

[fallen orbit]

Ye

[dense violet]

it's more of a sandbox game - like minecraft

[gusty junco]

Nice

[royal gazelle]

A lot of Factorio players bring over a lot of what they learned, and realize there's a few habits they need to break. Like building on flat surfaces and not making use of 3d space.

[fallen orbit]

Can someone help me with this?

[dense violet]

interupted how?

[fallen orbit]

Like until I can get myself to phase 3 am currently at p1

[dense violet]

you can collect 0 spheres and get through phase 3 easily

[royal gazelle]

Technically you don't need any

[fallen orbit]

I just want dd

[hard ivy]

All upgrades need ~100 total

[fallen orbit]

I am a returning player so I know how useful those are

[fallen orbit]

That's quite a bit ngl how much are half upgrades like medium level

[dense violet]

eh, I don't use them. Too much like a pseudo creative mode

[dense violet]

look at the wiki, costs go up every level

[fallen orbit]

Alright thanks

[lean fossil]

what do i do with water aluminimum

[fallen orbit]

33 looks good I think
3 upload speed upgrades and 2 stack upgrades

[royal gazelle]

One for basic research, 10 to research the first two speed upgrades, and then 1 per box.

[dense violet]

you can reuse it

[lean fossil]

thats too complicated and I already have enough wo'er

i js..dont want it.

[royal gazelle]

Usually I will get the wet concrete alt then and sink it with limestone

[dense violet]

pinged you in other channel

[fluid sapphire]

I normally don't pay 10+ eur for games. I paid 35 eur for satisfactory and it quickly became one of my all time favorites, I think I got close to 300 hours of playtime in my first month. Wound down a little after that, sometimes take a break for a few months, but always come back and pick up right where I left off. It's truly an ultimate "vibes" game with zero pressure

And now I have 1300 hours, 1200 of those being on a single save

[hard ivy]

The last upgrades cost 23 each so you could save half by skipping those

Though I would recommend getting the max upload speed

But the size is not as relevant when you've got your speed up

[fallen orbit]

I think I might just wait on depos until jetpack tbh this is sickening lol

[royal gazelle]

-# (There is an achievement for unlocking every tree node, and some people will duplicate/spawn in more spheres to do this. Shhhh)

[fluid sapphire]

It's an interesting comparison, for me building large structures always felt like a chore in Minecraft, not to mention after they are built they are lifeless and just sit there whereas in satisfactory buildings feel alive because they're always doing stuff (unless you're building art pieces ofc)

[dense violet]

slightly more goal orientated minecraft since everything builds off itself

[fluid sapphire]

Much better toolset too right out of the box

[gritty thorn]

how many hours does it take to fully finish the game

like the space elevator thing

[fluid sapphire]

It varies, some go quick like 100-150 hours

It all depends on how you play

Experienced players can do it faster

[dense violet]

phase 5 is like the ender dragon in minecraft. Has not bearing on the game being 'done'

[fluid sapphire]

In my save I only just recently finished phase 4

[gritty thorn]

i might not be able to afford like thousands of hours to sink in. a game im too old now lol

[fluid sapphire]

You don't have to

[gritty thorn]

ill try to finish the game once, maybe thats enough to be content w the game

[fluid sapphire]

It's just a game that will accommodate you, if you do want that

[dense violet]

well the tiers.. are more like a well made tutorial
it effectively is not a challenge to finish all the phases becaues you can create the dirtiest sloppiest factories and you'll still move towards the objective. No limited resources or anything

[fluid sapphire]

You can still have fun doing those and call it "finished" afterwards

[hushed frigate]

i finally finished automating ACUs!!!!

1/min but still

[fallen orbit]

Tbh I had 121 hours into the game but at some point I just didn't have enough time but i was at the second last phase of the game
So its approx 150-200 hours for a player like me but it will be faster this time because I am returning

[fluid sapphire]

It'll get the job done

[fallen orbit]

It also depends on the playstyle if you focus completely on the objective you will finish the game faster but that's not what I did most of my time is probably making cleaner factories

[hushed frigate]

still gotta do modular engine because i was getting the hardest item out of the way first

[fluid sapphire]

Those aren't so bad

[fallen orbit]

Well 6 modular frames per minute factory is all done with the aesthetics aswell
About 9 hours into this

It's taking a while to get fully started because I I planned this on satisfactory modeler so it's cut to cut on the percentages

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah it's like a sliding scale of getting-through-it-quickly on one end and just-vibing on the other

[copper crescent]

quick question
i got the game on EGL but if i were to get it on steam would i still have my early access stuff and such?

[fluid sapphire]

You mean like the golden helmet and build gun? Didn't they give those to everyone post-release?

[copper crescent]

dont think so
my friends who got the game post early access dont have it from what i remember

[fallen orbit]

#screenshots just finsihed on this

[copper crescent]

that reminds me of my caterium based super computer factory lol

1200 caterium used per minute

only used a bit of copper and coal iirc for the heavy modular frames as i'd have to adjust everything otherwise

[fluid sapphire]

Can't check my own game right now, but there are some people saying they got the items even after buying the game post release, I am fairly certain that I also have them (I did too)

I remember using the golden nut build gun trinket at one point

[somber smelt]

should i build a small sized nuclear power plant or make a turbofuel based power plant?

[dense violet]

which do you think would be more interesting?

[somber smelt]

dunno depends on how complicated the nuclear waste handling is

i need a bunch of power to finish the last phase of the elevator

[dense violet]

you could always just store it.

and you can get away without much power for phase 5

[somber smelt]

that sounds like a doom scenario

[dense violet]

not really. It's really easy to make a storage system to last a few thousand hours with b lueprints

[somber smelt]

yea 2 particle acc makin pasta are ruinin my power grid ngl

[dense violet]

did 30gw last time to finish the phases

[somber smelt]

how much waste are they makin per min bdw?

[dense violet]

1 rod pm is 50 waste pm

[somber smelt]

my grid is makin 32MW

[dense violet]

I imagine you mean 32 gw

[somber smelt]

oh my batteries are bein drained

hell yea

[somber smelt]

yee i think so

[dense violet]

but yeah, if your only goal is to finish phase 5 for now you can easily set up a diluted fuel plant

oil > heavy oil > diluted fuel

[somber smelt]

sooo not worth makin it a turbofuel one?

[fluid sapphire]

Or if you want to extend that a bit for very easy gains, nitro rocket fuel

[somber smelt]

dang 12gw per particle machine

[dense violet]

it's much easier than bringing in other components

all you need is oil and water

[somber smelt]

fair enough i guess

[dense violet]

when you do your own projects after you can set up a nice nuclear station

[royal mortar]

can i copy elevator settings?

... or do i have to setup each of them manually?

[crisp barn]

the new 1.2 experimental branch has discovered vehicular teleportation technology

for some reason truck hitbox gets desynced, so if you find it and enter it you get teleported to the actual truck location

[dire oar]

when will 1.2 realise? like late 2026 or summer

[fluid sapphire]

2-3 months probably

[dire oar]

oh, thats great

[fluid sapphire]

Likely similar timeline to 1.1 last year

[dire oar]

i will come back to the game

i love the trucks rework bcs i always hated trains

250h in the game and not even past the half

or smth like that i remember i was about to bulid na super computer factory and other electronics

[fallen orbit]

As the vechiles pathway was reworked I wanna use them this time around any ideas on how should I use them early on? Am on p1

Was thinking of using them in a steel factory because coal nodes are far

Oh wait isn't it also like you gotta fuel the vechiles?

[fluid sapphire]

You do

Your easiest option early game is coal

[fallen orbit]

Using coal to transport coal

[fluid sapphire]

That's how the cookie crumbles

[fallen orbit]

That good though because I thought at minimum you need solid biofuel

[fluid sapphire]

Can't automate that so that would be a pain

[fallen orbit]

Yeah I used to use liquid biofuel as for jetpack though it last so long

[fluid sapphire]

Probably the best fuel until you can get rocket/ionized

Turbo is OK for lift, even if the burn time is bad

[fallen orbit]

That's late in the tiers though liquid biofuel is just nice because liquid fuel is bad

[fluid sapphire]

I got some mileage out of it

[fallen orbit]

Although this can be a pain at times

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah regular fuel for jetpack sucks balls

[fallen orbit]

I wonder if the vechiles are powerful enough for me to use as a transport for coal for a large coal plant

[somber smelt]

how far off the map can i build?

[fallen orbit]

Or basically any coal related needs

[somber smelt]

into the blue crater void

[fluid sapphire]

Powerful? Surely? A question of scale just like anything else

[fallen orbit]

Doing the every possible thing except working towards the space goal is my true gameplay now ngl

[fluid sapphire]

Build some foundations and see how far you can walk without taking damage

[faint locust]

Do fuel types act differently in vehicles like they do in jetpacks?

[fallen orbit]

Yeah the thing is setting up a station for a particular factory is fine and easy but setting up a unit to transport to multiple takes scale

It's crazy how you even close the game to get some rest and satisfactory is all in my mind rn

[fluid sapphire]

That's how it be

[fallen orbit]

I think the consumption is more efficient on better fuels

[faint locust]

But doesnt affects speed? Cuz Explorer spedometer caps at 150, but barely hits 100

[fluid sapphire]

No speed difference for ground vehicles

[somber smelt]

okay almost 100 meters thats pretty good

[fluid sapphire]

I don't think?

[faint locust]

I only have raw and liquid biofuel

I think coal would be the worst right?

[fallen orbit]

Coal would be worst I think but it's also the easiest to setup

Like a 120/m coal belt on multiple stations would probably not be that bad

[faint locust]

Well Im right at packaged fuel rn, just havent automated motors yet.

Im getting a little overwhelmed. I usually get overwhelmed right at the part where you have to start transporting items 100's of km across the map.

[fluid sapphire]

100s of kms? What xd

The map is like 6x7km

[real shale]

Is this satisfactory or euro truck simulator?

[faint locust]

Im from the land of the free, I dont know these weird units of measurement

[fluid sapphire]

Does the game even offer unit conversion?

[faint locust]

Nope

[fluid sapphire]

Then idk how you're surviving out here in the land of sensible units

[faint locust]

"Sensible units" says the people that measure temperature based on how water feels.

[fluid sapphire]

Bro you're using stuff like inches and quarts and, feet, yards, wtf is that

[faint locust]

"How cold is it today?"... "Idk let's ask the water."

[timber willow]

hate to butt in but looking at the interactive map site @fluid sapphire is right from side to side or from corner to corner the overall map is like 7 km

[spark plover]

well ladies and gents it's easter. so hopefully everyone has a good easter

[fluid sapphire]

Ya I don't have exact numbers, my point is that the only way you transport something hundreds of kilometers is if you make purposefully obtuse rollercoasters

[timber willow]

pretty much

[fluid sapphire]

How many feet in a yard? How many yards in a mile? Ounces in a pound? Who the fuck knows, none of this makes any sense

[lean fossil]

i found out how to infinitely fly with ajetpack

[real shale]

What

[lean fossil]

decouple the camera while holding space

[timber willow]

only way a transport would be 100s would be if its built similar to old school lets game it out setups

[indigo pumice]

what do i do if i have a train bringing 2 different items (plastic and rubber) and unloading them, but the plastic is unloaded first (all of it)? i need them to either one type come out of one port and the other type out of the other port, or them alternate

[carmine ginkgo]

man pipes are so f*cked sometimes. im building a nuclear power plant. i have mk2 pipes with 600m3 flow comming in and splitting into 2 reactors overclocked so they both consume 300m3. everything is ballanced. i let everything fill up and once that was done i turned on the power plants. 15 minutes later i find the power plants starving of water. i got 2 pumps per pipe making 300m3 each overclocked, i made a tower where the pipes go up with pumps before continuing towards the plants. everything should be fine but it isnt, its super frustrating

[fluid sapphire]

Let's just say there is a reason NASA uses the metric system

[real shale]

Careful, we don't want another SI unit debate here

[indigo pumice]

wdym another

[fluid sapphire]

It's already happening, too late haha

[real shale]

Okay, I'll make it worse for everyone

[faint locust]

3 feet in a yard. No real reason to know how many yards in a mile. 16 ounces to a pound. You just dont like it because it isnt multiples of 10

[real shale]

1 GB = 1024 MB

I'll leave now

[fluid sapphire]

That's sensible because it's powers of two

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah, well, a reasonable system doesn't require you to memorize arbitrary garbage just to do unit conversion

[spark plover]

i want a lizard doggo with bunny ears

[faint locust]

If youre using feet, you most likely wont need to use yards. If your using yards, you most likely wont need to use miles. There really isnt much need for conversion...

[plucky bone]

I'm from the true north, I use both types of measurement. My country was built with the imperial system then converted to metric. I use miles, kms feet inches deg. C deg F. depending on the situation. Just wait till you start using tons. Then you get asked "Short ton or long ton"

[faint locust]

"How far away is that tree"... "Idk about 200 yards"..."How many feet is that"...

Would never need that information.

[plucky bone]

600

[fluid sapphire]

You really can't imagine how much simpler everything is if you have just one unit for any particular thing? Why do you need 10 different units for the same thing

[faint locust]

They arent for the same thing...

[fluid sapphire]

They are, it's all length bro

[plucky bone]

Can't measure the length of something short in kms. unless you wanna deal with .00002km is how long this is.

[brittle dune]

You're not gonna belive what the "kilo" prefix means /lighthearted

[fluid sapphire]

Lol that's why we have stuff like milli, centi, deci, etc, it's all the same

[plucky bone]

thousand

[fluid sapphire]

And you use these prefixes for other units too

[faint locust]

Theyre all used to measure lengths in different areas. Feet and inches at a smaller scale and for building, yards for football and shooting, miles for travel distances.

[fluid sapphire]

Well, a meter can measure it all the same way lol?

Cm, mm, km, it's all the same unit

Just powers of 10

[faint locust]

Okay, lets say an item is 5 feet away from me. How many meters is that?

[fluid sapphire]

1.5m roughly?

[faint locust]

16.4 meters

Wait, had it backwards

[fluid sapphire]

Back to school with you

That's why the SI system is superior

You don't need bullshit like this

[faint locust]

Nah, I just did 5 meters to 16.4 feet

[brittle dune]

Fun fact, in the united states, the imperial units are legally defined in metric units

[faint locust]

The point is, you are needlessly using decimals in everyday measurements.

[fluid sapphire]

That's freakin hilarious

[brittle dune]

Are we to be scared of dots? /s

[fluid sapphire]

Decimals make more sense than using multiple different units like combining feet and inches for height for example

[faint locust]

Congrats, you discovered the root of our country is english settlers.

[faint locust]

Right better to use a ficticious unit of measurement like stones

[fluid sapphire]

It's rooted in tradition, but it's time to get with the times

No one uses stones anymore bro

Not in everyday life

[brittle dune]

But like I've never had my height described as like xx.x cm only just xx cm

[fluid sapphire]

It's all grams and kilograms

[brittle dune]

The British do

[fluid sapphire]

Sure, I meant reasonable people, excuse me

[brittle dune]

Also it's km for running but miles for driving for them

[faint locust]

Again, you cant claim to be reasonable when you talk to water to find out the temperature outside.

[fluid sapphire]

That's another funny one

[brittle dune]

It's a hodgepodge all the way down

[brittle dune]

I don't belive you're being serious

[sterile blade]

Water (and chemistry) is a pretty objective standard
Kinda like quartz and time

[fluid sapphire]

Water boils and freezes the same way everywhere, what are we comparing to here, Fahrenheit? How is that any better?

[hard ivy]

You're asking cesium atoms when you're measuring time

Light when measuring distance

[faint locust]

Because it relates to the human body and not a body of water

[brittle dune]

It does not

[fluid sapphire]

Water is all the same, humans are different

[brittle dune]

People say that but it doesn't

[sterile blade]

The human body is not a great standard...
It tends to vary and not by little...

[fluid sapphire]

Right? How does that basis make more sense than water?

[brittle dune]

We don't even know exactly what the hell 0 and 100 in farenheit are supposed to be pegged at

[fluid sapphire]

Even worse

[faint locust]

At the end of the day its semantics. Its about what you learned growing up. What you call a dillywacker we call a light switch.

[hard ivy]

Also, Celsius now is defined in terms of Kelvin, which is defined in terms of the Boltzmann constant

Water (or any specific substance or object) is nowhere to be seen

[narrow summit]

Есть русские ? )

[faint locust]

Everyone always argues water freezing at 0c in favor of celsius over farhenheit.

[sterile blade]

Need to look into the hystory of Celsius to see the Water

[brittle dune]

This is an English only server (listed so in the rules)

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah I am out of date with that I guess, still makes more sense

[zenith pecan]

английский, пожалуйста

[sterile blade]

Standards change 🤷‍♂️
It's nothing drastic anyway, it just got more precise

[fluid sapphire]

That's the problem with the imperial system, it's imprecise as hell

[brittle dune]

we have the metric system, daft punk, and the guillotine to thank the french for

[faint locust]

This is also false. Salt water is vastly different and has a different freezing point than river or lake water. In fact a river will freeze differently than a lake due to the water flow...

[fluid sapphire]

Obviously if you were to use water as a standard, you'd make sure it's pure water

By distillation

[sterile blade]

If only we could reliably account for such differences or just rule them out entirely...

[fluid sapphire]

If only

[faint locust]

Right, so using celcius becase it tells you if water is frozen is not a valid argument for using celcius over farhenheit for temperate (as it relates to weather)

[fluid sapphire]

What

[brittle dune]

People say that but again we really have no idea what it's actually supposed to be

[real shale]

you guys dont just use kelvin for everything?

weird

[brittle dune]

Hats off to you if you do lol

[sterile blade]

The water argument is usually between measuring something (ie: water temperature at different phases) VS giving a perception rating ("cold/hot")

[fluid sapphire]

Honestly if we could do that and scrap all other units I'd be down

[real shale]

its like 280 K outside for me rn

[fallen orbit]

I need some help my modular frames assemblers just continue to have problems now they just won't take reinforced iron plates in them regardless of everything being correct and only option I have now is to destroy and rebuild
It has happened before hand aswell when I was making the rips assemblers

[brittle dune]

Ah right this is satisfactory

[brittle dune]

Maybe the input is clogged with an item you can't see?

[fallen orbit]

Wait that could very well be the answer
...

I previously had a flush of iron rods accidentally in them

[brittle dune]

That tends to be it for me

Some item hiding in logistics somewhere

[smoky flame]

Is there a way to access circuit break system panel without going to a priority switch?

[brittle dune]

You put down a priority switch wherever

Thats about the best you can do

[sterile blade]

You can precisely check what's on/in something by hovering the dismantle tool over it as it lists all items relayed to what you're dismantling (including items on belts or in splitters)

[mystic island]

Has anyone left feedback in regard to the new randomizer coming with 1.2?

[smoky flame]

Damn, sometimes I wish dev can give us like a tablet computer or something that we carry around that can access everything lol

[fallen orbit]

Nope the rips still wont go in

I'll post screenshots

[sterile blade]

There's been a lot of discussions over it, in #satisfactory-experimental ^^ (and here too, admittedly xD)

[fallen orbit]

#screenshots

[brittle dune]

I assume the assembler is powered?

[fallen orbit]

Yeah it is

[faint locust]

Again this argument is pointless because its all about what you learned to call things growing up. What you call a homophobic slur we call a cigarette. What you call "Flat" (which is a descriptive word for something smooth and even) we call an "Apartment". It's just that one makes more sense.

[mystic island]

Ah cool thanks.

[brittle dune]

The conveyor lift doesn't seem to be connected to the splitter

[mystic island]

But just my two cents: I really like that the devs are doing this to increase replayability even though the original world was handcrafted and taken care for where resources are located and what purity they are.

[sterile blade]

I find the comparison quite nonsensical and the topic best fit for #off-topic-general

[fallen orbit]

That looks like the answer than Tysm I can't believe though can things even move that minimally?

[mystic island]

I wish there was an option to just randomize where the ores are located without interfering on how much of each there is on the world and their purities.

[brittle dune]

One of the randomize options does that btw

Each option has a set amount of node types and one of them is just the base amounts

[elfin smelt]

you know that fahrenheit are also based on water... right? (32, 212)

[mystic island]

Ah is that so?

So it isn't truly random but the resources have some sort of upper and lower bounds to how many can exist in the world?

[brittle dune]

Yes, and also the directional mode you put down your conveyor lifts in can influence if they connect or not (you'll hear the distinct sound if it is connecting)

[hard ivy]

Oh yeah lol

For much of the 20th century, the Fahrenheit scale was defined by two fixed points with a 180 °F separation: the temperature at which pure water freezes was defined as 32 °F and the boiling point of water was defined to be 212 °F, both at sea level and under standard atmospheric pressure. It is now formally defined using the Kelvin scale.

[brittle dune]

@mystic island

[fallen orbit]

I was skeptical about it aswell because while building the lifts connection was yellow not blue but I overlooked it

[brittle dune]

Please just go to #off-topic-general

[unkempt blade]

all I know is I can fit more farenheit liquids into a fluid truck than I can celsius liquids

[faint locust]

I was done, but someone wanted to come in and spread misinformation

[brittle dune]

What

[unkempt blade]

it's just science, what do you mean what?

[mystic island]

Thanks for the clarification. I was worried that a truly random seed could yield weird worlds that you could get softlocked in certain aspects.

[faint locust]

Hot liquids take more space than cold liquid?

[unkempt blade]

yeah like hot chocolate takes up more space than chocolate milk

identical ingredients, one is just bigger

[faint locust]

I would assume thats correct at larger scale, but probably unnoticeable at that scale.

[unkempt blade]

which one is easier to move on a conveyor though?

[brittle dune]

I mean one would have to be packaged

[unkempt blade]

I say it's chocolate milk because it's at least relatively more solid than hot chocolate

[brittle dune]

Oh chocolate milk not milk chocolate

Damn

[mystic island]

Milky chocolate is the best there is.

Dark chocolate is a close second tho.

[unkempt blade]

milk chocolate would definitely be the easiest of these options to move on a conveyor

[brittle dune]

I'm not a fan of dark chocolate but if it's with sea salt or rasins or smth that can be good

[brittle dune]

Yeah lol

[mystic island]

I'm talking like 40~60%. It's the best balance imo.

Beyond that only for enthusiasts really. Tastes like poison to me.

[hard ivy]

White chocolate with real vanilla is peak too

[unkempt blade]

I made mole sauce with dinner last night and used dark chocolate so that's my current pick

[brittle dune]

Speaking of poison, american chocolate tastes like vomit

[fallen orbit]

I figure now even though we have vechile pathways is it still just better to have roads?

[brittle dune]

I have 2 trucks setup and they work fine without constructing roads the whole way

[unkempt blade]

I'd be thinking...

1. how does the natural path vs road-shortened path compare for distance
2. how much effort is building the road

[brittle dune]

But they're definitely faster on the flatter ground of the bridges I've built

[fallen orbit]

I have to transport coal like 2k meters
It's just better for me to build a road tbh the surface is crazy bad

And interestingly enough I just wanna build a road as I have never before xDd

[unkempt blade]

if you're not tight on power or fuel it's pretty easy to just drop in another vehicle to make up the difference in either case

[mystic island]

Because it isn't real cocoa most likely. Probably hydrogenated fat.

[bitter silo]

how cool would it be to be able to use conveyors to put things in AND out of dimensional storage....

[dense violet]

that's called a drone

and it would be dumb to have it again

[brittle dune]

You deliberately cannot

[fallen orbit]

Would it cause you to make storages if you put items "in" depos

[unkempt blade]

Satis is a logistics game. I wouldn't want to remove that much of the gameplay

[bitter silo]

ikik, but id prefer it for some factories fr

[unkempt blade]

into-depot is a QOL boost, out-of-depot removes gameplay

[fallen orbit]

Tbh at one point if you just have too much items in your inv from depos or disassembling just trash them

[red sun]

That said, being able to shoot items through hypertubes would be fun

[bitter silo]

i get that fr, but occasionally it would be niee

nice*

[red sun]

I want to launch my junk into orbit with a hypertube cannon

[unkempt blade]

just fill up your inventory and go right ahead

[brittle dune]

Inventory delete button or awesome sink?

[red sun]

Or sink them. Ficsit does not waste

[dense violet]

literally youre talkign about drones

[brittle dune]

Won't that leave a death crate

[red sun]

I mean yeaaaaah but that's boring in comparison

[brittle dune]

Fair enough ig

[unkempt blade]

yep, but that sounds like the goal anyway haha

[bitter silo]

ive got drones atm, just not enough to set them up properly

also please bear in mind, im only 190hrs into the game, so dont know perfect ways of doing everything just yet haha

[fallen orbit]

I mean some items are not just worth sinking if you don't have sink setuped nearby

[unkempt blade]

no worries, you're amazing and talented and I believe in your ability to build a huge drone network

[bitter silo]

ive got a sink at my turbofuel factory to get rid of the blue plasticy stuff i have no use for just yet. i normally have one wherever its needed

[bitter silo]

well needed motivation for sure haha

[fallen orbit]

Black concrete foundation would work for roads right?

[dense violet]

but you're describing drones
you can make more of them
they are basically a box you put thigns in and they teleport

[red sun]

I just put my resin into a bowl with some milk

And boom, you have a questionably-healthy snack

[bitter silo]

i thought they have to actually fly over.... or am i thick

[brittle dune]

They do

[bitter silo]

ficsit approved meal

[unkempt blade]

there's a power and fuel cost so maybe not quite 1:1 but yeah if you just want to move stuff with barely any setup drones are the way

[brittle dune]

What if the sinks are teleporters and that's how they make their money

[dense violet]

but nothign stops them from flying with zero infrastructure

[bitter silo]

true true

[dense violet]

they are just teleporters

[meager oxide]

story-spoilers

[fluid sapphire]

Safe distance for lift/splitter, note how the lift "snaps" to the splitter as you adjust the height https://youtu.be/yM6mXkIWzk0?feature=shared

[arctic hound]

I just put em through my storage system

[fluid sapphire]

There is "asphalt" material for this

[hard ivy]

Just add a sink?

[leaden turret]

asphalt material in the SPWN.

-# ||ass fault||

[sterile blade]

Airborne phisics-based logistics...

Depending on settings, the launcher could always use the same energy or base it off the kind/weight of the items (ie: items may be launched at different distances based on their kind/weight)

[unkempt blade]

I want all my factories sinked because it makes my power consumption predictable. If there isn't a sink close by I would build a new one

[royal mortar]

should i overclock miners, or just get more ore from somewhere else?

[unkempt blade]

yes, both

[hard ivy]

Usually easier to overclock

[dense violet]

whichever is more convenient for you

[wise junco]

Predictable power consumption is E F F I C I E N T

Although seeing my particle accelerator curves blew that out of the water

[unkempt blade]

I know it's at least a little different now with priority power switches but trying to get a large power grid back online is the worst

[wise junco]

Oh no doubt

I was really diligent about separating out networks with PPSs until recently

I have a feeling i will pay for it eventually

[plucky bone]

Had my grid go down. Took 3 hours and a complete redo of transmission lines etc but now is better.

[lean fossil]

some guy found a spaceship..where do i find that-

[unkempt blade]

it's a bit of a spoiler I guess but ||Bruce Willis was actually a ghost the whole time||

[lean fossil]

does it concern the ending

i didnt click on the spoiler

[unkempt blade]

it concerns A ending

[lean fossil]

oh

[weak mesa]

Miners are the best things to overclock before you get unlimited power shards

[fallen orbit]

Can you a backward going vechile path on a forward going vechile path? Like a loop?

I meant like can I have the vechile which is going on a path return on the same path?

[weak mesa]

Aren't all truck paths supposed to be loops?

[fallen orbit]

Because of the rework of vechile paths to be similar to train rails i thought I'll have to make a return pathway at the side aswell

[weak mesa]

I usually use belts for short paths and trains for long paths so I'm not an expert on trucks

[wise junco]

You may have more luck asking in the experimental channel

[fallen orbit]

Alright thanks

[unkempt blade]

I haven't messed with 1.2 but 1.1 trucks need to finish their route where it starts

[twin parcel]

which alt do u normally use for radio control unit

[unkempt blade]

radio control system because it's tied for highest screw usage per output item

[twin parcel]

screws?

wut

[wise junco]

Lol I usually use the base recipe but all alts have their time to shine

[twin parcel]

i hate steamed copper sheet , the amount of refineries i built drove me insane

[ornate saffron]

refineryburnout is real

[wise junco]

They've been a necessary evil for me for the past several factories

I'm close to ditching pure recipes for a minute just for simplicity's sake

[ornate saffron]

If your goal is minimal input maximum output, you will build many refinmeries

[wise junco]

I know. It's a hate crime cuz I hate it

[worthy hatch]

Happy Easter crew

[plain marten]

is there a way to change the build material in build menu

[brittle dune]

between the amount of them you need for oil, for pure recipes, potentially leached recipes and more

[ornate saffron]

is subcatagory has a drop down menu

[brittle dune]

I will never build refineries without blueprints again after using bps for my latest build

I built somewhere around 220 refineries

[wise junco]

Oof

[fluid sapphire]

I make all the late phase 4 parts like so https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ZKvy8j6r9LbMcSTK7RiY

[ornate saffron]

ya, I need like 66 for my 2/min nuiclear pasta for the copper alone lol

[plain marten]

thx

[faint locust]

Wait, if you download a BP using an Alternate Recipe, it still works even if you havent unlocked said recipe?

[brittle dune]

they're also so tall

makes it harder to fit into an asthetic build

[ornate saffron]

you can also hold E then left clickl

while the foundation is in your hand

[wise junco]

Nice and clean

[wise junco]

Yeah that's the part I didn't like about NP lol

[hushed frigate]

WHAT THE

my lizard doggo just found a nuclear bomb

[brittle dune]

with my current factory (the one I've been talking about with the 220 refs) I'm making supercomputers and rcus, I'm just using the base rcu recipe

[twin parcel]

oh i just stack them like a tower , sfs series blueprint , the problem is pipes , the taller ur refineries plant , the taller fluid tower and that drove me insane

[zenith pecan]

I started clipping the refinery stacks into the ceiling and what looks like ductwork, the vents and fans help make the thing still look believable.

[fluid sapphire]

Ah, there's your problem, you're making a fluid tower

[twin parcel]

there is no buffer , just pipes going all the way up then down

[fluid sapphire]

Pumps exist and are easy to use

[hushed frigate]

what do i do with the nuke that my dog found, i am WAYYYY too early in the game to actually produce those naturally

[zenith pecan]

Grow a magic mushroom with it.

[twin parcel]

unlock nobelisk/detonator in mam to build a detonator .

[supple canopy]

has the maximum rate of ballistic warp drive produceable been found out? Using the modeler I'm coming up with 20/min with coal being the limiting ressource (not considering SAM converting)

[twin parcel]

why it use that many coal ? for which item ? diamonds?

[supple canopy]

the vast majority yea

although wait I could split with oil

[twin parcel]

turbo diamonds , and oil diamond should mitigate the problem

[supple canopy]

yea I was only using turbo diamond

but I have about 5000 oils/min left so

[lean fossil]

...I'm running out of cables but barely running out of aliminiminum

I'm...poorly rich?...

[supple canopy]

yea 25 BWD now

[twin parcel]

coated cable , (jk)\

[subtle mason]

What if I sold low quality copper in ancient satisfactory?

[plucky bone]

What a mess I have to make. Using a bunch of alt recipes to make 3 HMF. All for 3 FMF a min later. And since I got called on it earlier I actually used this: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=RBj3TVy0X7DWxm5Ebqjg

[hard ivy]

I'd just do this instead
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=vsapHfqdAMGfdn2sXdYU

[plucky bone]

O. Lemme look. I wanted to use what I got for alts but I'll look.

[plucky bone]

Wait a min.... Isn't that the same thing?

[hard ivy]

Nope
Click the link, give it a few seconds, and then open the last tab

[plucky bone]

Ok. I'll look at it

I'm missing some recipes for that.

[left kiln]

can someone help me with some really annoying calculations?

im looking at fully automating the phase 4 items and calculations just hurt my brain with big crafts like these

[bleak mica]

man im such a retard

only now i discovered i can put miners on foundations

[white dawn]

Solvers like those at satisfactorytools.com can help quite a bit, fwiw. For later game parts I also often split things up into subfactories rather than try to mush them all together

So like if a part requires RCUs I may have a separate factory making RCUs for it, and ship those over

[left kiln]

my current factory is barely set up for phase 3 and its all mashed together

[fluid sapphire]

Which items

[white dawn]

In sftools you can use the "inputs" tab to specify material you're importing from elsewhere

[white dawn]

Make brand-new factories for the new stuff!

[left kiln]

currently looking at the assebly director system

i wanna do 5/pm

im new to the gam ebtw

[fluid sapphire]

Look at all the precursors for it, and produce each in their own module

Break down further if it helps

[white dawn]

It's the same amount of "factory" you have to build anyway, but if you just do each new factory from scratch, you're never beholden to past decisions/mistakes/etc

It's a huge map, with a lot of resources. Centralizing production IMO creates far more problems than it solves. :)

[fluid sapphire]

Right, no sense in attempting to extend production lines that were not specifically built for that purpose

But it depends hehhehh

[white dawn]

(and of course once again I'm dancing around just outright recommending https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency)

-# Unrelated: does the existence of a subfactory imply the existence of a domfactory?

[left kiln]

where would be a good location to do the assebly director systems?

[left kiln]

probably

[fluid sapphire]

Yes

[white dawn]

Near all the nodes that it needs. Which can get quite difficult with later-game parts, which is another reason I often end up with subfactories for those

[fluid sapphire]

The problem with independency as I see it is that production lines get very complex and unwieldy for later items and the article doesn't at all broach when to make the exceptions

[white dawn]

I mean, mostly I don't make exceptions

[fluid sapphire]

It makes it seem like there is little middle ground between interdependent lines and making everything from scratch, but it's a whole spectrum

[white dawn]

And the complexity is, IMO, far easier to deal with if you just do everything from scratch each time

[fluid sapphire]

My experience is the exact opposite

[white dawn]

I'm making something that needs A, B, and C. So I produce A, B, and C. What could be simpler?

You still need to produce those somewhere anyway; if you're centralizing then you have to figure out an extra layer of logistics on top of that

Independency is, IMO, the simplest possible way of building things

It doesn't mean you can't do the sub-factory thing. My late game "factories" are often geographically dispersed

The nice thing about Independency is just that each of those subfactories has only a single purpose. These HMFs here are going specifically to produce these Nuclear Pasta here, etc

Simple A->B transfers everywhere

[keen glen]

thats what i have done

just make what i need there and then

[bleak mica]

but at some point you do have to integrate how do you figure that out?

[reef basin]

you don't ever have to integrate factories togehter

[bleak mica]

what does that mean

[tall lantern]

what it says

[reef basin]

that you can build all factories independent

[tall lantern]

if you need to make an item, you make a factory for it

if you don't need the item, you don't need a factory

[bleak mica]

the "factory" meaning what exactly

[tall lantern]

production from start to end of a thing, generally from raw resources to final product

[bleak mica]

ACU requires copper + oil + coal + iron

[tall lantern]

so, your ACU factory gets hold of all those things and makes ACUs

[keen glen]

oil coal and iron are the start of the factory
ACU is the end of the factory

[bleak mica]

gets from where?

[tall lantern]

the world map?

there's a lot of nodes

[bleak mica]

so the factory in your example would be spanning like half the map

[keen glen]

no

[tall lantern]

why?

[bleak mica]

i have found oil in the islands only so far

and there's no coal or iron in the 2km radius

[tall lantern]

you can usually find somewhere with at least most of the resources you need nearby, and worst case you can bring resources in from further afield, we have vehicles for that or just long-ass belts

[keen glen]

^^ this

[bleak mica]

but wouldn't that be multiple factories lol

[keen glen]

no

[tall lantern]

why?

[keen glen]

multiple mines, single factory

[tall lantern]

even if it was multiple facilities, that's not an actual problem, as apoc was saying earlier. You can have one logical factory, but with parts dispersed around

the point of independency isn't necessarily "all production for the thing is in one place", it's more than that production is, well, independent. it doesn't siphon from other factories

[bleak mica]

i guess that makes sense

[tall lantern]

if you decide "well I need plastic and rubber for this thing, so I'll make those over by the oil and ship those", that's still following the pattern

if you decide "well I need plastic and rubber for other things too so I'll just make one facility to make loads and distribute that across all the production lines that want them", then that's not independency

and while that's completely doable, it adds another layer of complexity

[small crypt]

if you choose inventory slots instead of an alt recipe does it lock you out of that recipe forever basically? i know some of them must be bad but i dont think id ever choose the inventory

[keen glen]

this exactly. for example, my computer factory is on top of the oil node, yet it ships in copper from the other side of the river

[keen glen]

no u can get them later via hardrives

[tall lantern]

(and personally, having to track how much is in use of each such resource being produced, to make sure you don't overextend yourself, seems a right pain)

independent production lines completely sidesteps that

[keen glen]

independent production for each product is simply the best

[bleak mica]

hmmmmmm

[tall lantern]

mmmmmmh

[small crypt]

im hopeless

[elfin smelt]

I agree

[small crypt]

the floating cats paralyze me cause i know what they are

[elfin smelt]

arachnophobia mode is not supposed to completely nullifing the fear of encountering one

[bleak mica]

are hard drives the only way to discover alt recipes?

[ornate saffron]

YEs, there is a few in the MaM but not many

[elfin smelt]

some alts are unlocked in the mam, yet they still require HDs

[bleak mica]

and they're random right?

[smoky forge]

since when can you unlock alternates anywhere else

[elfin smelt]

no, they are set

[smoky forge]

based on the machines you have atm

[elfin smelt]

compacted coal is an alternative for instance

[smoky forge]

it isnt

[white dawn]

Yeah, as said, I basically just never "integrate," for whatever that might mean. I do still like building "Central Storage" but the Dimensional Depots introduced in v1.0 make that largely obsolete by mid-game, so that's a labor of love. :)

[elfin smelt]

ok bad example

I remember theres recipe that's considered alt only

[smoky forge]

any other recepies aquired in the mam in for example sulfur do not count as alternatives

[elfin smelt]

ahhh I know what the issue is

is the fact that Tools counts compacted coal as alt

for some reason, so I misrememrered

[carmine ginkgo]

downloaded my first mod. all fluids are gass. man its so nice, now i dont have to worry about pumps and stuff

[fringe shadow]

Is an automated ||Thermal Propulsion Rocket|| factory the best for awesome sink?

[next ivy]

to maximise tickets per minute ?

[left kiln]

what are the best alt recipies?

[warped barn]

HEYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!
When will the 1.2 version is avible,?

[keen glen]

last week

[warped barn]

ho wait

and how can i download? like i cannot update my steam

[fringe shadow]

yes

[summer smelt]

Best alternate recipes are those that you want to use

[keen glen]

right click satisfactory
properties
game versions and betas
experimental
update

around 7gb and 2 mins

[warped barn]

FUCK YEAH

Thank you

[left kiln]

can anyone give me their opinions?

[keen glen]

no worries

[fluid sapphire]

Right, subfactories. That's something the article doesn't touch on at all. Really makes it sound like the whole idea is to produce everything from scratch. But if you're splitting into modules, that flies counter to the idea. How is a new player reading it supposed to determine when it's logical to break stuff up?

[small crypt]

so far i like the ones that let me make reinforced plates and rotors without screws

and iron wires

[fluid sapphire]

Suddenly we are not building independent factories, but a network of interdependent ones

It literally talks about how independency is supposed to mean that you don't manage intermediates via logistics, but what you are talking about is the exact opposite of that (and also how I build myself, and also why I steer people away from that article)

[summer smelt]

That one screw recipe 3x production speed. A lot less machines +power for little more iron

[fluid sapphire]

So where's the line

[white dawn]

Nah, 'cause you're still making everything from scratch. It's just that instead of a belt at one point you've got a vehicle/train/drone

Though sure, the page could definitely be amended to include something about subfactories and such

It's a public wiki, anyone could add it. :)

[fluid sapphire]

In that sense, you always build everything "from scratch"

Maybe I will

[white dawn]

I suppose since I'm always on about Independency I'm probably a better person than others to do so. :P

[bleak mica]

what page/article are you talking about

[fluid sapphire]

I think the core idea and what you are also talking about is that it's best not to extend lines that were not specifically built for it, which I find this article doesn't communicate at all

[white dawn]

But in the context of someone who's feeling overwhelmed because their Phase 3 factory isn't "up to snuff" for building Phase 4 stuff, I still feel like Independency as a recommendation is about as good as you can get

"Make the new factories from scratch. Make it totally separate from anything else you've already done"

People get stuck in the centralization mindset, and it causes problems, especially for first-time players, 'cause anticipating the expansion needs of late-game products is nearly impossible

[tall lantern]

not even that. Its just "plan a production line from scratch, build it without siphoning from existing production or siphoning from it to make a later line"

[white dawn]

Whereas if you can provide a separate framework to just always build everything from ore->product, for each product you want to make, it can really help. I've seen it really help a lot of folks

And yeah, doing "pure" independency would mean never even building lines "specifically built for" expansion

[fluid sapphire]

It is though, that's the same thing. If you're planning ahead for that later line, it's not siphoning - it's just part of that future module, but geographically distant

[white dawn]

You wouldn't build to "expand" at all. Everything's just ore->product

As I've said a few times in the past, it's not like even I follow Independency religiously

But I'm still very much of the opinion that any player feeling overwhelmed by their existing centralized builds can be helped out immensely by the shift in mindset

[fluid sapphire]

Right, well I think that article really needs some more detail and explanations

[tall lantern]

doesn't it already have some?

[white dawn]

Except that the only way to "plan ahead" would be to literally plan out the rest of your game's production lines

[fluid sapphire]

Not about splitting stuff up geographically

[white dawn]

Building for expansion can work, if you're used to the techniques, up until you happen to need more expansion than is feasible

Independency completely bypasses that

[tall lantern]

like

• you need to make Modulars, so you built a factory that takes in iron ore and makes the rods, plates etc
• you then decide to make HMFs, so you built a new factory that takes in iron, coal etc and makes its own stuff, without touching the modulars you built before

[fluid sapphire]

It's the same process as always, start from end product, work your way backwards - what I am talking about is separating some of those large graphs into smaller modules, like you yourself said you build - they remain part of the greater logical whole, but are just elsewhere

[white dawn]

I should clarify that I'm not actually, like, against centralization, or building-for-expansion. I just think that Independency solves a lot of problems that especially newer players come in here with

I've seen so many people just totally overwhelmed by trying to expand later-game products into their existing factories, and the simple shift in mindset can be a literal gamechanger

[fluid sapphire]

I just think some nuance would be good there

[tall lantern]

ultimately that's a preference thing, sometimes there might be a logical separation but there's not much of an overall "solution"

good rule of thumb IMO would be along the lines of "if you can make the subparts at this sublocation, and those subparts would be easier to move than the raw materials, then sure"

what's easier? again, preference

[fluid sapphire]

True, for myself I just find that big graphs are unwieldy and messy to build

I think thats something that could help other people too

[tall lantern]

but that's roughly how I operate at least. Need time crystals? make 'em at the coal, ship. Need some plubber? also probably easier made at source, but don't necessarily compress better

[fluid sapphire]

Right. That's what I mean though, would be great if that was broken down a bit more in the article

[tall lantern]

it's a wiki, I'm sure you could do that

[small crypt]

im planning on belting all raw to me then putting it in a big consolidated buffer and dealing with it here

[fluid sapphire]

I will see when I get time to sit down with it

HMF is a good first example of a complex product that scares people

Production graph looks big and scary

But if you break it down, it's 10x easier #screenshots message

[small crypt]

i dont think any amount of complexity is going to scare me

[tall lantern]

tbh this doesn't sound like an independency-specific problem then

[white dawn]

Yeah, HMFs are complex no matter how you lay out your factory. :)

[tall lantern]

more of a "learn to break tasks into manageable chunks" problem

[white dawn]

And you can still break it down and stay Independent

[fluid sapphire]

They are interlinked

I don't know, maybe it is sort of a different thing, but I think it could help people just the same, not sure if it should live in the same article, or its own

And maybe be pointed to by a link

[whole robin]

Are there already builds in #screenshots sharing 2 sided Manufacturer manifolds in a mk2 blueprint? I came up with one last night while i was playing with a friend, and it looked so hideous that i could only describe it as "a creation both gifted and detested by god" when giving it a description

[bleak mica]

what article?

[fluid sapphire]

Independency, on the wiki

[fluid sapphire]

I have one with a mirrored input that's sushi fed, packed very tight, if that's what you're looking for? As part of this #screenshots message

It's nothing crazy, just smart splitters wedged tight between two manufacturers

[whole robin]

The one that i designed used 4 seperate belts atop one another, and it had barely enough space in the blueprint designer to fit the second manufacturer (and to belt it all together)

The bottom row of conveyors isnt even aligned with the rest of the belts 😭

[small crypt]

if i use a tractor to transport coal over a very long distance can it also use the coal it's transporting as fuel

[whole robin]

Id post it but im away from home rn

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah with stacked belts it's much harder to fit them cleanly in a mk2

[sterile blade]

Alignment issues? What even are those?

[fluid sapphire]

Idk, looks fine to me

[whole robin]

They are NOT clean, there is so much clipping that you cant even see the bottom belt from most angles

Words truly can not describe how horrific it is

[unkempt blade]

fuel and the inventory for stuff being used are treated as different slots

you can use coal as fuel and the truck to move different coal though

[fluid sapphire]

Time to adopt sushi my friend

[whole robin]

Absolutely not, how else am i going to meet my spaghetti quota

[hasty estuary]

hello guys

i was wondering

if i have 180 iron ingots a minute

is there a clean way to make rotors?

im not sure the ratio i should split to screws and rods

[whole robin]

Besides, i can reuse the design for any set of manufacturers without needing to change smart splitter settings, and i can just delete the bottom row for 3 input items

[tall lantern]

180 iron splits pretty cleanly

[hasty estuary]

lucky me

but how do you know?

[tall lantern]

chucked it in a planner

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=n5AiISiF9WBAwiQ6Onjn

you could also math it out manually if you're so inclined

[hasty estuary]

id rather have the calculator do it for me

[fluid sapphire]

About as clean as it gets

[hasty estuary]

so how do i use this?

where do i put in my 180 input

[tall lantern]

the aptly-named Input tab

[hasty estuary]

and where does it tell me the ratio of rods and screws

[tall lantern]

in the plan it gives at the bottom

[cold berry]

Pipesss

[hasty estuary]

awesome sauce

very efficient and filled with knowledge

i would expect nothing less from the satisfactory discord

[cold berry]

Beltssss

[tall lantern]

there are other planners out there, but Tools is one of the more widely recommended ones for getting an overall plan out

it doesn't go into detail about clocking (just gives a total %) or miners/extractors (lets you solve that yourself given there's so many combos of miner mk, node purity and clocking)

[fluid sapphire]

Number go in, number come out, it's the simplest planner there is for sure

[tall lantern]

mm, the complexity comes in when you start using alts so have multiple ways of doing things

unless you just skip the critical thinking step and just yolo whatever it spits out

but often you want to tailor it in some way, like local resource availability, or turning off alts you don't want to use

[flat wedge]

can someone please help me with my water problems

[reef basin]

well, hard to help if we don't know the details. There's #1038092680493801533 to post images and describe your problem

[flat wedge]

like im asking someone to comit to probably spending 30 mins to an hour trying to fix these dumb refineries

[winged root]

I’m officially going insane as I’ve connected and reconnected all my power facilities and the total power production ain’t adding up by 5750mw. I checked for starvation and everything is fully feed and I’ve checked each individual generator to see if refill rate matches, now I’m onto checking if I somehow deleted a cable randomly

[reef basin]

I'm pretty sure that helping you in #1038092680493801533 would take less than 30 mins

[flat wedge]

im asumming fuel generators?

[winged root]

89 fuel generators and 32 coal

And I’m getting 18900 MW, it must be a wire somewhere

Found 100 mw progress

[fluid sapphire]

Time to adopt the dismantle filter

[next briar]

Eyy so rq question like im kinda stuck cuz i need more coal power (at tier 2) but there is a rock at the pure node and i need black powder to destroy it but i cant craft it at the bench 😭.. HOW DO I CRAFT BLACK POWDER I CANT BE CRAZY

[stoic skiff]

sulfur + coal (right sorry didn't read enough generally try any bench type or search in the index)

[ornate saffron]

equipment bench

[wary talon]

hey so i tried turning on smooth motion on nVidia but my game crashes when i open with it smooth motion but its fine without, where can i ask for technical help?

[supple canopy]

ya black powder is in the equipment bench which honestly makes no sense logicwise, but all it crafts are actual equipment so I guess it's to prevent having to switch bench type

[winged root]

I plan to make smart switches and switch off all power facilities factories 1 by 1 to find the insufficiencies

[white dawn]

Sounds like the solution is to Not Do That, Then ™ 🥳

[wary talon]

big brain

[white dawn]

You can post in #1038092680493801533 , though that's just user-to-user support. I've not heard that feature mentioned much (or at all, really) on here

You can submit big reports and such to the devs at the QA site, though you shouldn't expect replies and such; it's often kind of a wire-only thing. The devs do read everything on there though

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @white dawn

[wary talon]

alr tx

[cold berry]

Splitterssss

[flat wedge]

anyone know how to fix a glitch where a spliter wont actauly send any items onto one of the belts? ive made sure it's facing the right way ive tried rebuilding it and the belt connected to it but nothing fixes it

[cold berry]

Mergersssss

[flat wedge]

wdym?

[white dawn]

Often times that's because a belt attached to a conveyor pole that's "hidden" inside the splitter, rather than the splitter itself

From the outside it'll look fine but there's no actual connection. Try rebuilding that whole junction

[flat wedge]

but the belts on the cieling ill try it anyway

idk if its what you said but rebuilding it all did fix it

thanks

[hard ivy]

It's not a glitch
The belts just isn't connected

[flat wedge]

well, i thought it was gliitch since rebuilding the spliter/conveyor didnt fix it

[stuck bough]

what should i upgrade to get better fps in satisfactory? cpu or gpu?

[autumn steeple]

is it good practice to put a limiting valve on the pipes after every junction to make sure they split evenly or is that a waste of time?

[twin parcel]

exp 1.2 has daisy chain , maybe u can try that or use mods or something

[keen glen]

Can help if still needed

[flat wedge]

i fixed it

took a while

[flat wedge]

based on what ive seen. if you use lots of long belt highways and such then cpu

[tall lantern]

looks like it took around the same half hour you wanted someone else to spend 😛

[twin parcel]

bruh , the game has built in frame gen , u dont need smooth motion , smooth motion is for games that doesnt support frame gen .

[plucky bone]

Time for a new factory. Heavy modular frames. Again. Have one at base but this is another for fused frame use. I guess it's a start to a fused frame factory

[twin parcel]

how much did you make last time?

[plucky bone]

Best part is my copper comes from a node with nitrogen right there too.

Uh. I'm not sure. It's used for my factory at home and stocks my storage/depot. Don't think I have extra there.

[wispy sun]

quick question, is there a keybind that lets me quick-trash items in my inventory? like a bind that i need to hold and then left click to instantly trash my items?

[twin parcel]

i made 10 hmf /min , not sure its enough , if it isnt , imma i just overclock the shit out of it .

[tame bobcat]

chat how do i do aluminium

[autumn steeple]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[fluid sapphire]

What are your specs

[autumn steeple]

the 30 and 20 series rtx cards dont support frame gen-

-# assuming they didnt say what card they had higher up

[lean fossil]

#screenshots message
Does this work fine

[unkempt blade]

it should but it also looks like it might be using more pumps than you need

[lean fossil]

yeah im pumpanoid

[twin parcel]

u can try lossless scaling from steam , it can enable adaptive frame gen for older gpu's

[lean fossil]

besides it makes a pretty neat hoverstaircase.

[plucky bone]

Conveyor lift holes are sure sweet for bringing items down or up a huge amount of distance with just a lift.

[autumn steeple]

does lossless scaling have frame gen too or?

because i doubt that upscaling software magically makes older gpus that dont support frame gen suddenly support frame gen-

[twin parcel]

yea , but i dont know how much fps u gain , it depends on vram size to be honest .

[lean fossil]

my game is being weird.

the blue hologram is making a trail behind it.

[tame bobcat]

this or SCIM?

[lean fossil]

when items move fast they also make a weird ass trail

[unkempt blade]

my previous card was a 2080 and it ran the game fine just wasn't fully-maxed settings for later game

[lean fossil]

is this shit vsync?

[autumn steeple]

yes-
just.. search for aluminium-

[autumn steeple]

thats the upscaling i believe

[reef basin]

SCIM doesn't really do loops or byproducts, so probably not scim

[autumn steeple]

vsync doesnt/cant introduce artifacts im 99% sure lmao

[lean fossil]

its damn dlss.

[autumn steeple]

yes.

[twin parcel]

frame gen is just a algorithm , the newer card hardware are designed to run those calculation efficiently , older cards can run them but they are not designed for frame gen , they take a chunk of vram .

[autumn steeple]

moreso annoys me that fast belts "stop moving" when further away

[autumn steeple]

yeah thats fair actually

[lean fossil]

DLSS DOES THAT TOO?

also which is better

Fxaa TAA TSR

i dont underttand SHIT

[autumn steeple]

idunno-

[twin parcel]

me too , i thinkered the settings , sees no diffs lol .

[lean fossil]

back in the day we had that

taa x9

taa x 16 type shit and i only picked the highest multiplier

hopefully devs fix the sakura trees lagging the hell out of you because of the SHEER amount

[unkempt blade]

I just let the control panel for my card set stuff to recommended settings 🤷‍♂️

[autumn steeple]

yes apparently
id think that it would be an artifact due to frame gen struggling with guessing future frames or whatever but yeah its dlss

[wispy sun]

quick question, is there a keybind that lets me quick-trash items in my inventory? like a bind that i need to hold and then left click to instantly trash my items?

[lean fossil]

also does anyone else use non powered pumps to make sure your fluids dont go a specific place

[unkempt blade]

yeah that's the normal recommendation if someone thinks they need a valve

[autumn steeple]

real

dont think there is sadly

however you can hold control when trashing smth

[lean fossil]

hold ctrl

grab the item

put it in the trash can icon without letting go of ctrl

then itll get rid of that entire type

[autumn steeple]

itll trash all items of that type

[autumn steeple]

valves:

[unkempt blade]

I make a dump container and use a prog splitter to filter out anything I don't actually want getting sunk

[knotty bear]

Does the game prevent trashing mercer spheres or somersloops.

[flat wedge]

i just have the big inventory mod

[lean fossil]

You have concieved an idea most genius

[flat wedge]

a question that no one will test

[unkempt blade]

it makes it very easy to just stick everything in there and then grab some more of whatever I need for my next build

[wispy sun]

thanks man

[autumn steeple]

it does

[winged root]

I done it, I’m missing 100mw but I found everything else

I’m so close to finishing the search for the missing power

[plucky bone]

HAHA "Elevada" Almost peed myself laughing on that one.

[fluid sapphire]

Ya'll just sitting there at your desks with full bladders or what

[plucky bone]

Nope. Just found that elevator ride funny af. If you really wanna know, I'm getting old so there is that too I guess.

[fluid sapphire]

Ah.

[stuck bough]

5 5600g 7700xt

[tall plover]

funfact: making 4800 ionized fuel/m needs alot of space

[fluid sapphire]

Probably bottlenecked by that cpu

[hearty solar]

How many power shards is that?

[tall plover]

300/m

[hearty solar]

That’s a lot of diamonds too I must imagine

[tall plover]

i have 40 converters for time crystals

[plain marten]

is there a way to create more swatches

[fluid sapphire]

Not in vanilla at least, no

[tall plover]

also 16 particle accelerators for diamonds

in addition to the 20 particle accelerators for dark matter thingies

a total of 64 converters and 36 particle accelerators

[hearty solar]

Where did you find all these resources😭 (I’m asking because I also have about 4100 rocket fuel)

[tall plover]

im playing a modpack called Platform expansion program

basically im in the void and have no natural resource nodes, but i can make my own

[hearty solar]

Wait, that’s actually really cool

[tall plover]

oh i tried to ping you with a screenshot but forgot to attach the screenshot

[next briar]

Rq question like i wanna make a versatile framework factory yall think i could just use tractors to get the Modular frames to my factory or should i just conveyor it?

[topaz talon]

i sold my soul to ficsit

[hearty solar]

Loll

[granite folio]

At the beginning of the game how do I make bootable mining drill.. I can’t find it in the building menu

[hearty solar]

I love how the fuel power generators fly off almost endlessly

[hearty solar]

Equipment workshop

[tall plover]

i can supply 80 of them with 600 per pipe

it would be 200 without the power shards

[granite folio]

Thank you

[hearty solar]

Sounds about right

[tall plover]

but yea its not quite done yet

i still need to setup quartz crystals and place all fuel generators

[fluid sapphire]

Either works, do what's fun

[tall plover]

then its done

[twin parcel]

well there is a alternate recipe increases versatile framework output but u need to add rubber.

[fluid sapphire]

What does that have to do with the question xd

[mortal ginkgo]

its all the same thing in the end. Truck Station got 2 belt input, so a tractor can provide maxing 2 belt output with another Station.

What matters is, do you want to make a huge long ass belt, or do you want to tractor the tractor?

using tractors is much easier in 1.2 so I would use tractors

[lean fossil]

is there SOMETHING that can teleport items from factories to another factory.

[tall lantern]

belts are slow teleporters

[flat wedge]

I WISH

[lean fossil]

🔥

[tall lantern]

drones are about as close as you get to actual teleportation as you don't have to set up any infra in between the two points

but no, no actual item teleportation thankfully

[lean fossil]

drones are SUPER fast right?

Faster than trains?>>>>

MMMMM???????

[tall lantern]

sure, high speed low capacity low infra is their thang

[flat wedge]

they porbably wont ever add it either and if they do it will be extremely expensive becuase they wanna encourage players to use the different itme transporation methods

[lean fossil]

HOW low capacity.

[tall lantern]

build one and check

[lean fossil]

As long as it can take good quartz.

[tall lantern]

or go look at the wiki

[lean fossil]

I'm...researching it

[flat wedge]

the transport rate is around 3.5 stacks a minute i think

[lean fossil]

You're pretty smart

[flat wedge]

for a shorter distance transport

[tall lantern]

as with all transport, if you find you don't get the throughput you need, add moar

[knotty bear]

Does this game have raytracing as a toggle or is it on by default or is it just off?

[primal path]

Really managers, blocking my post really, you have a problem come to please

[flat wedge]

also with drones dont fixate on "they have to be fed by batteries" oil products work as well it just might make them a bit slower

[flat wedge]

i think its a toggle somehwere

[knotty bear]

Holy crap this game has accessibility features, I don't have bad vision but since I moved my 22.5 inch monitor to a proper sized desk the small inventory size was getting to me, if only there was a search bar

[rapid bear]

Who’s gonna tell him

[wise junco]

not I

[granite folio]

In the beginning how do I move away from from these dumb biomass generators? They keep shutting down and collecting leaves/wood is such a hassle

[next ivy]

get to coal

and power storage

[glossy scarab]

guys i need help

[next ivy]

i can recommend a few therapists i guess

[wise junco]

and convert all the leaves/wood to biomass to solid biofuel for better longevity

[glossy scarab]

my fuses keep on blowing

[next ivy]

get to coal
and power storage

[wise junco]

you are using more power than you're making

[glossy scarab]

how do i fix this?

[wise junco]

generate more power

that'll be $100,000 consulting fee

[glossy scarab]

isnt there a limit?

[wise junco]

no

[next ivy]

of power generation ?

[glossy scarab]

for powerlines

[next ivy]

no

[wise junco]

well yes - your imagination

[cold berry]

It's okay to have power stations out in the middle of nowhere that just run back via the power towers

[next ivy]

they also dont have any resistance

[cold berry]

The electricity in this game is simple but compelling

[next ivy]

its annoying

[cold berry]

And frustrating the first time you so it

Because you never have enough throughput

Or not enough output and you didn't know then your line shuts down

[flat wedge]

My max consumption is triple my production but I’m only using around 3/4

[cold berry]

Because it fills up with plastic and your didn't know you need a sink at the end in case that happens

I need more alt fuel recipes

[glossy scarab]

why is there no vc for the discord?

[wise junco]

a server full of introverts needs no voices

[next ivy]

im guessing for easier moderation

[merry torrent]

Peers at map. Coal power on random nodes is... interesting coal is everywhere for me but only a few at shores with water... can do a bunch of compacted coal in the green fields but little water... is go rocky desert west side just pure coal out there by the water and use that to start hmm.. Want to do roads this time but design is not my stongest skill >.>

[glossy scarab]

how do i find coal?

[true mulch]

use the resource scanner

as with any other resource

hold the button to change what you're scanning for

[knotty bear]

I remember that one time after I got fuel gen I lost power and had to kickstart the system and that was the worst experience I have had in my life.

[reef basin]

that's what priority power switches are for 🙂

[glossy scarab]

coal aint there yet

[true mulch]

priority power storage?

[true mulch]

why do you need it then

[merry torrent]

I try to have a main for my factories so I can shut off factories and keep enough coal power to start the fuel gen

[plucky bone]

I do gotta say I am getting alot better at nicefying my builds.

[glossy scarab]

no im like early game

its not on finder

the coal

[next ivy]

then continue the phases and tiers

[royal mortar]

anyone playing 1.2 yet?

[true mulch]

yeah, why do you need it then? it's unlocked in tier 3

[true mulch]

#satisfactory-experimental

[next ivy]

because power is the biggest issue early game 🤡

[true mulch]

you can't use coal for power before unlocking it

[whole robin]

Either explore more or use the interactive map online

[royal mortar]

and that means?

[true mulch]

people are and discuss it in that channel

[honest nimbus]

anyone to help me? im having problems with my water and the coal generators

[true mulch]

make a #1038092680493801533 post with screenshots

[honest nimbus]

ty, i'll do it right now

[flat wedge]

I’ll can help you later if you still need help in around an hour just dm me

[honest nimbus]

ok, thanks

[reef basin]

no and no

[dim onyx]

why is the alternate recipe for turbo fuel better again?

[reef basin]

no recipe is "better"

[honest nimbus]

i think so

[winged root]

Don’t you dare disrespect my boy moulded pipe like that

Or solid steel ingot

That one’s just a few extra smelters

[reef basin]

your preference is fine and I'm not disputing it

my point is that there's never a "better" way to do something, as recipes have their own advantages and disadvantages, and it's up to you to decide which one you want to use in which case

[fringe shadow]

#screenshots under the map ?? how

[reef basin]

which is more complexity 🤷 so not "better" in everything

[wise junco]

i agree with his stance tho. #nobestrecipes

[mortal ginkgo]

I agree to disagree on that matter.

[wise junco]

never even used encased pipes

[winged root]

Conclusion recipes are the best depend on wanted play style