satisfactory

[feral vector]

clearly?

put a ticket back into the sink

[ember moon]

the game does not need an update for an update like this lol

[tranquil zinc]

I dont see any patch update on steam, that is why I am suprised

[ornate saffron]

you get tickets from sinking items in the awesome sink.

grab one ticket and sink it

[ember moon]

yeah the game gets the date and updates according to that date

[ornate saffron]

its a hard coded event liike the ficmas event

[ember moon]

yeah

that omg I forgot how to clal it its 2am lol

[vapid jasper]

if i have a ton of conveyor belts and theyre level 1 and i want to upgrade to level 2, do i need to fully rebuild?

[chrome bear]

are all jetpack fuels equal?

[ember moon]

you can just set the conveyor to the tier you want it to be and then hover over a lower tier conveyor then click

[feral vector]

not at all

[ornate saffron]

no, they all have different feels and properites.

i like rocket fuel

[valid glacier]

would this work then? ( #screenshots ) the assembler is for motors, the storage container in the middle is for half of the rotors

[ornate saffron]

sure.

[valid glacier]

what?

[ornate saffron]

When you unlock the MaM, dont sleep on it

[chrome bear]

what should I use during phase 3?

[ornate saffron]

I was asnwering you question

[feral vector]

seems reasonable. I highly recommend setting up a proper storage area but it's a huge pain in the ass 😛

[ornate saffron]

whatever you can get.

Liquid biofuel has the greatest height but regular fuel is faster

[feral vector]

if you're overproducing motors, use a smart splitter, the straight to any, and right to overflow

[ornate saffron]

#satisfactory message

[feral vector]

liquid biofuel is probably the easiest to us

[lost cloak]

For the Satisfactory-Calculator, is there a better tool or a way to control like what recipes are used where etc?

Like that calculator just generates it for you, and you cant change anything.
There is https://satisfactoryplanner.net/ but that in contrast you have to do EVERYTHING from scratch, which is a bit much

satisfactory-calculator would be perfect if i could make edits after its generated

[ornate saffron]

I like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[lost cloak]

can i make proper edits?

[ornate saffron]

define edits? can you change recipes, yes

[merry vapor]

they said they havent touched powergrid and im schitzoing out on them lol

im actually going crazy XD

[ornate saffron]

lol i kind of hope your mates are pranking you

[lost cloak]

ok so lets say, just making something up now.

If i have 200 copper coming in, 180 is used for copper powder.
And i have 200 catherium coming in, and i want to use 20 of the excess copper to make wires, and cover the rest of the wires with catherium wires.

[bleak comet]

giant lizard doggo jumpscare holy moly

it's terrifying

[ornate saffron]

it will weighs things in its onwn way. most the time it tries to give you the most output for the least input. Its better when you tell it I want this part at X quantity.

[feral vector]

pretty sure you either use a recipe or you don't, but you can limit the inputs and select maximize on one output and set a # per minute on another output and that might accomplish a similar thing?

I mean you either give the calculator the option to use a recipe or you don't. if you limit the incoming caterium and copper and it has access to both recipes it might split it up nicely for you?

[valid glacier]

what is the best and easiest to obtain fuel for jetpack?

[lost cloak]

depends on what fuel you need, each fuel is different. Liquid biofuel is very easy to get, requires no setup. It gives very bad lift, but you can use pulse nobs to get in the air.

Fuel and Turbo fuel are your alternatives, each with their own benefit, and each requiring setting up oil. Roughly equal difficulty to set up

[ornate saffron]

likely fuel as you need to make packages for the fuel

[feral vector]

liquid biofuel is probably best for where you are, if you start packaging fuel, use that instead

[valid glacier]

okay thanks guys

[unborn moss]

Yea, I use packaged fuel sent into a depot, grab a 100 stack whenever I'm low.

[lost cloak]

what do people think about Mk.0 belts? That has a speed of 0-60 depending on demand. So if you put 1 item per minute onto the belt, it moves at a speed of 1 item per minute. SUPER slow

i think it would be cool for super super lategame items, like where you're working with single digit thoughputs. And having saturated belts with super high end items sounds epic

[storm zephyr]

is platic ai limiter a good alt

[dense violet]

all alts are good alts, depending on yoru situation

what is your situation?

[storm zephyr]

i dont have any reason to automate them rn so im just curious

[dense violet]

fairly easy to compare from the base recipe https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AI_Limiter

you trade 3.5 plastic for 5 copper sheets per limiter

[lost cloak]

hmm, put a * on all

[dense violet]

and you save some caterium wire

[dense violet]

nope, all.

they all have their own specialties, even the really niche ones

[lost cloak]

ok, make an argument for Compact Steel Coal

[dense violet]

you have some waste compacted coal you don't want to use for fuel
you have coal and sulfur next to each other and steel is convenient there and you have no use for the sulfur

basically converts the Sulfur to Coal without a converter

[dense violet]

also probably useful in a bomb/ammo factory where you need both coal and sulfur

plus steel for pipe bombs

Bio coal?
fantastic.
only way you can turn pigs into uranium rods

Get imaginative 😛

[lost cloak]

You need 3 base resources instead of 2
you get less output per iron (with pure iron)
you barely use less coal, if we imagine "sulfur is coal". But in turn you need to bring in sulfur which at least on vanilla, you wont ever find close to coal

its just bad

[dense violet]

Like I said - you have coal and sulfur in a spot wehere you want ot make steel - it becomes convenient due to location

iron is... everywhere and in such quantities that it really doesn't matter , you'll never use it all

if your iron supply is fine for your location? make it work

you can also barely use sulfur if you want

diluted fuel can easily let you do big set upts

[lost cloak]

you dont have iron + sulfur + coal close to eachother anywhere

[dense violet]

and full nuclear barely uses 1/4 of the sulfur on the map

SE grassy fields

north grassy fields is fairly close

NW RD

NW dune deser

[plucky bone]

Southeast corner.

[dense violet]

SE dune deser

SE blue crater

[lost cloak]

Moulded Steel Pipe. You get 1:1 steel to pipe compared to 3:2, so barely any benefit. But it requires using a foundry instead of a simple constructor, and it requires concrete.

[plucky bone]

Literally on top of each other.

[dense violet]

SW wst blue crater.
just looking at scim

[plucky bone]

I'm using that area

[dense violet]

lime stone is everywhere and it helps extend your steel.
You're giving me really easy examples my good dude

[dense violet]

also 2/3 vs 5/5 output , 66% pipe output vs 100% output with a bit of concrete

steel ingot per pipe
which is quite a big boost honestly

thats +50% output
similar to Solid Steel

and solid steel is VERY useful

[lost cloak]

4.6/5 vs 5/5 is not a big enough gain to warrent having to add limestone and increase power consumption

its just bad

[dense violet]

you're bad at math

base is 1.5 ingots per pipe
modled is 1 per pipe

that's a HUGE decrease
power is negligible

[lost cloak]

look, Tempered Copper Ingot. 5:12 by adding Coke, when you could get 6:15 by adding water. Tempered Copper Ingot is also just bad

[dense violet]

power is the easiest thing in the game

[dense violet]

you get to murder all the infinite refineries. I'll take that trade any day

very few refineries, tons of output

[dense violet]

look, maybe you don't like the trade offs, but that don't mean they are bad

it's fine if you don't like recipes, but they definitely are very useful

also improve your maths, cause that was just wrong on the pipes

and pure vs tempered is
2.5 vs 2.4 ingot output for ore

I 10000000% would do that trade any day to avoid all those refineries

Honestly though, Copper alloy all the way

zero refineries and super compact foundry set up

[lost cloak]

how you getting that coke then

[dense violet]

Copper Alloy - zero refineries

[lost cloak]

i never mentioned copper alloy

[dense violet]

though Tempered copper is also solid for removing refineries, so many less than pure

[lost cloak]

i said tempered copper ingot

[dense violet]

#satisfactory message

[lost cloak]

well idc about copper alloy, i can respect copper alloy. Even tho i'd pick pure copper ingot 100% of the time

but tempered copper ingot vs pure copper ingot

tempered copper ingot is just bad

[dense violet]

Yes, I made a point about Tempered copper, saying it outputed 2.4 instead of 2.5 and didn't need nearly as many refineries

then I made a personal observation that you can cut out refineries entirely with alloy

[lost cloak]

why do you hate on refineries?

[dense violet]

obnoxious af.
And removing or reducing refinery count is a perfectly valid value on a recipe

[lost cloak]

i almost always build near water, so i have the refineries in the "basement" above the water

[dense violet]

doesn't matter. Huge and annoying and you need a million of them

I don't wan tto play Rerfinery Simulator 2025

and, it's a good example of benefits of a recipe that you may not like, but benefits other people in other ways because they like doing thigns differently

So, in conclusion, all alt recipes have their benefits, even though you may not enjoy them

[vernal vortex]

At what point should i roughly be at with 30 hours of playtime?

[dense violet]

wherever you want really , the milestones are basically there to just learn 🙂

I have 3500hrs and never launched hte final phase 😄

[lost cloak]

So instead of just having 5 refineries

you would rather have 1 refinery for the heavy oil, 1 refinery for the coke, and 3 foundries. And having to bring in crude oil along with the copper, on top of using more overall copper

[feral vector]

I'm at like 110 hours and just finished phase 3 but I afk a lot and I'm slow and always screwing around on the calculator

yall still going about alt recipes XD

[dense violet]

I'll almost always be needing plastics for something else in the facility, I build tall, so yes 🙂

[feral vector]

I only know about the OP alts I'm lost with most of them

solid steel ingots, heavy oil residue, diluted (packaged) fuel, the recycling ones for plubber, heavy encased frame

[dense violet]

althought honestly I'd just do copper alloy.
Tempered is fine.

easier to make compact little production lines w/o much piping with tempered vs pure

[lost cloak]

tempered is horrible. You have more complexity than pure, you have more base resources coming in, and you get less resources out of it in the end.

I get you're trying to play devils advocate here, but you are on the border of trolling.

Only real argument for Tempered that holds up, is "uses less refineries". Which i guess they're big yea, but hey. The world is big. You have space. Alot of it.

[feral vector]

anyone play astroneer? game is cheap af on steam rn 🤔

[lost cloak]

you go from 5 to 2 refineries, which i mean you still need 2 refineries.. so its not even cutting out refineries, you're just using less

[vernal vortex]

Glad to hear that lol, I thought I was really slow (got phase 2 fully automated and currently 1/3rd of fully automating Phase 3)

[jolly citrus]

I have it on ps

[feral vector]

fun or what?

[lost cloak]

UI is extremely tilting.. I hate it
10/10 though i do recommend.

[feral vector]

I play on controller anyway so console opinion is extra helpful

[dense violet]

again, in almost any facility where I'm doing Tempered I'm already bringing in oil for other things

you can make VERY tidy units of production that has 1 refinery feeding into 1 other refinery then directly feeding 3 foundries

as for 'trollling' you're the one who is deciding your own personal subjective views are objective, which is false

honestly you're just reminding me of the worse than Big Bang Theory nerds at university

[jolly citrus]

I’d say it’s pretty fun I haven’t played it to much tho

[feral vector]

tf did I type healthy for... my edible haven't even kicked in

[dense violet]

cutting out 66% on refinery count is pretty valuable to me, and I'm sure to others.
your views are subjective and not objective truth.

[lost cloak]

most alts are subjective, some are just plain bad

i dont believe you've ever used tempered
i'd call you a liar if you claim you've done it

[feral vector]

I mean they have a point if you just look at numbers but I can see lots of value in leaning towards your playstyle

[dense violet]

"alts are subjective except where my objective views make them bad"

have a good life

[lost cloak]

this is probably up there in S tier of ways to leave a losing fight

[feral vector]

are they not kinda bad if you just look at the objective metrics though? assuming people don't care a ton about which combo of buildings they use?

[dense violet]

big bang theory nerds are the worst

[dense violet]

the metrics you set are themselves subjetive

[feral vector]

like uhhh the opposite of heavy encased frames which is kind of objectively better than the base recipe

[dense violet]

you decide what is valuable and that is not objective

there's some examples where alts vs BASE recipes are a thing, but they are few

[feral vector]

I mean you can limit metrics to the objective ones if you want? seems like a common thing to do when trying for meta shit

[dense violet]

which metrics are objective?

what makes them objective?

[lost cloak]

they are well designed, they have benefits and drawbacks, and you have to choose which is most important depending on what you're building, where you're building and what resources you have around you.

[feral vector]

like doesn't heavy encased frames use less power, less resources, output more, etc?

[dense violet]

again you're comparing an alt vs base recipe, and I did mention there's a few examples like that

[feral vector]

I'd say something like solid steel ingots is objectively an efficiency increase isn't it?

[feral vector]

that's valid, it's different with alts vs alts maybe

[dense violet]

again alt vs base 🙂

[feral vector]

you know I'm new so I don't have a real strong position here lol, just curious what you think

[dense violet]

lets use Tempered Copper vs Pure Copper

[dense violet]

oh yeah sure

so temp vs pure
per ore

2.4 vs 2.5 ingots

[lost cloak]

tempered is more complex, you get less resources per copper, and you need coke.
VS just using more space for more refineries

[dense violet]

your choice will be based on what you value the most
which is subjective

if your position is absolute max output of ingots?
sure pure is the 'better' for you

[lost cloak]

you're valuing SPACE over complexity, thoughput, and input

who in their right mind puts SPACE as TOP priority

[dense violet]

but what if your value on total output isn't that valuable to you? that's not objective right ?

[ancient bridge]

i had an old save and completely forgot how to do everything... should i try to replay or make a new save

[dense violet]

probalby jsut a new save imo 😉

[lost cloak]

i always make a new one personally

[ancient bridge]

okay i will

[feral vector]

I can't even imagine jumping in where I'm at after some time away lmao

[lost cloak]

you can choose to start at tier 3 though. First 2 tiers are just a grind.

[feral vector]

I'm already confused enough and I took no breaks

[ancient bridge]

im not very far

tier 4

[dense violet]

but does that make sense?
That I'm willing to go from 2.5 to 2.4 output and not have to build nearly as many refineries?

[lapis shadow]

Is there any content for april fools?

[lost cloak]

and having to add coke

[feral vector]

usually if people are asking what's better, they are looking for something like total output from X input?

[ancient bridge]

im not very good at factory games i was thinking about trying hydroneer and getting really good at that so im better at automating and stuff

[feral vector]

yeah it's not a huge decrease

[dense violet]

what about recipes that swap resources or items

[lost cloak]

dont forget the coke

[feral vector]

that's above my pay grade lol

[dense violet]

see? lots of subjective thigns about them 🙂

for example, with the right alts you can make super computers from only caterium and oil.

[feral vector]

have never even used it before I don't really understand, I'm just bein curious about the objective vs subjective

[dense violet]

which ... isn't a huge deal since it normally only uses 3 resources, but you can also get some nice resource savings on it.

and dropping from 3 to 2 makes placement often easier

[feral vector]

hmm yeah stuff like iron pipe is probably objectively worse if you are just looking at math

but having an iron only motor factory or some shit sounds great even if it's less efficient

[dense violet]

Iron pipe, imo, is very situational
but if you're looking for simplicity and you are swimming in iron? no real reason not to

[lost cloak]

For every copper used, you have to add almost 1 crude oil.

Its almost twice as expensive to use tempered

[dense violet]

personally, I would jsut find a spot with iron and coal, because it's very common.
but again , subjective.
it's worth it to me to find a better spot 🙂

also I'm just kinda against Iron Pipe. They simplified too many things in 1.0

as a game mechanic though, not recipe

[feral vector]

I gotta look at the recipes lol I'm not really following when comparing the two alts you guys are talking about just trying to chime in on the objective vs subjective

[lost cloak]

so lets see

instead of 5 refineries, which only take up space

you want to use more copper
add almost as much crude as you have copper
add 3 foundries

Just to save on 2/5 refineries

[feral vector]

adding that much crude sounds rough, but in my position, I legit do not care about crude I can't possibly use it all right now

[hallow crow]

deadass how do i disable the experimental label in satisfactory 1.2?

[dense violet]

is this about tempered?
eh there's lots of oil on the map and it doesn't actually take much to process it using the more oil efficient alts

[lost cloak]

the pipelines are

Copper > Refineries > Ingot
vs
Crude > Heavy (Refinery) > Coke (Refinery) + Copper > Ingot

[dense violet]

plus oil/plastic/rubber is a very common resource used to pad out resources

so many alts throw in an oil product to pad out other resources

[lost cloak]

yea but in this case you dont pad. You actually make it worse

[cursive crane]

Honestly wish you could do the game solely off oil

[lost cloak]

i get adding an additional resource to get more output per resource used. Thats trading complexity for thoughput

but you dont trade complexity for thoughput

you trade resources + complexity for space

[lavish flame]

hey so i have a bunch of polymer resin from my turbofuel plant that i don't plan on using at all, i'm planning on sinking it but what would be the best item to turn it into to maximise point gain?

[dense violet]

check the wiki if fabric or containers will get you more

[lost cloak]

its so little i'd just sink it

[dense violet]

be sure to do the conversion ratio though, like figure out how much of each youll make pm

[cursive crane]

Yea not worth the power you are going to use to make it into something
Make filters or whatever if you need em, sink the rest

[hallow crow]

is there a way to turn the experimental build label on the experimental branch?

[lost cloak]

its fabric btw, by a longshot. Checked

[cursive crane]

You can change its size with UI changes, otherwise no

[lavish flame]

thanks guys!

[hallow crow]

thats so dumb 😭

[cursive crane]

Experimental isnt supposed to be a build you play just to play, its for feedback and to help the devs

[hallow crow]

fair ig

[cursive crane]

Can always go back to official until the release

[floral sparrow]

Just learned about manifolds... whole new world unlocked

[dense violet]

anything you build that isn't a load balancer is automatically a manifold 😉 people tend to build them w/o realising it

[floral sparrow]

I'm partial to symmetry and evenness so I was just load balancing by default I suppose. Manifolding seems cool though

[dense violet]

works for everything, and load balancing can get very complex adding extra processing steps in

[floral sparrow]

Imagine my joy when I learned that straight conveyers existed and I didn't need to do that 2-unit corner shuffle for every right turn

[dense violet]

can always end the belt right before the turn and just build it from there without the shuffle xD

[feral vector]

nah load balancing is real simple 😂

I swear it's not hard to learn at all

[dense violet]

it's more that the bigger the factory and the more steps you do the more specific planning to break them up into chunks you don't go mad trying to LB it

[feral vector]

the biggest lesson I got about load balancing is that I want to minimize it lmao

I settled on a factory that only needed 480 iron lol

[wise junco]

About the only time I do load balancing is very low throughput steps - like pressure conversion cubes to nuclear pasta. I plan on load balancing my nuclear reactors when I build them as well

[feral vector]

I'm glad I got it working a bit at least

seems good to know

[ionic basalt]

Just wanted to give a shoutout to April Fool’s Day making doggos lorge again, we’d been missing one and found her stuck in a foundation! #bestprank #thanks!!!

[latent prawn]

i find balancing also good to use with stuff like aluminum ingots or stitched plate. because the ingredient is a 500 stack item, the manifolds take ungodly lengths of time to fill

[tranquil bolt]

Shut down machines from the first on the manifold back and let the last fill then work your way forward… it doesnt take long

[latent prawn]

making 500 x machine count of anything takes time. even with mk6 belts, you're still looking at ~30 seconds per machine

[weak bloom]

I just build one stage and turn it on while I build the next

Usually it's full by then

[latent prawn]

yeah, especially with aluminum though, having a fast ramp-up is beneficial. often aluminum lines get a little fussy and you have to bring them up and down a number of times to fix it all. imho, some basic balancing saves a lot of time

[weak bloom]

Recent one that I had to go do something else while it filled up though was 48 manufacturers of radio control units....60 crystal oscillators and 120 computers per minute, but since oscillators stack to 200 it took like 10x longer to fill than the computers did

[weak bloom]

I just have aluminum ingots going into sinks out of a smart splitter so I can just hook a belt into that when I want to use it and never have to worry about stopping the refineries

[latent prawn]

over a long duration playthrough, expect to have some problems with fluids pop up.

[feral vector]

Im about to unlock aluminum I'm probably gonna screw something up there heh

[dense violet]

process each belt of bauxite in it's individual section
don't mix the fresh and waste water

those 2 tips will see you through most issues

[feral vector]

awesome thanks

[dense violet]

you can usually also just clock things so the Solution refinery feeds directly to the Scrap refinery, which is often convenient and less piping

[west jackal]

are four cars supposed to have a second engine

trains^

and if you have 2 engines, do you need to set anything in it, or will the second engine just assist the first one

[dense violet]

in general, 1 engine to 4 cars can move up 2m ramp rail. But if they are full they can be pretty slow

[west jackal]

unfortuantely i think the ramp is slightly over 2m

[dense violet]

and you can just add a loco to the front w/o issues

[dense violet]

you really really want to build ramps on 2m ramps otherwise it gets real messy

[west jackal]

?

[dense violet]

rails opn 2m ramps

[west jackal]

i get that, what is real messy mean

[tranquil bolt]

How many cars can you have on one rail?

[west jackal]

other than needing a second engine

[dense violet]

tough to determine how much, if you don't build them on ramps you can easily get rails too close to each other and clipping

having tidy rails makes life much easier

[west jackal]

i have a bp

i just accidently made the slope slightly over 2m because i mis measured when i made the bp

[dense violet]

doesn't matter, if you don't place the bps on foundations to keep them organised you can easily have too tight a turn, or like now, too steep

[west jackal]

i mean thats a good point, ill remember it next time. But the bps work fine except for turns, i have to do those by hand

[dense violet]

and ramps

[west jackal]

ramps are..fine, i just have to do the connections to flats by hand.

I mean yeah too steep, but thats not that bad to fix

[dense violet]

you dont' get real control over the steepness like that
zoop foundations the whole way and print your bps on them, makes turns and ramps very easy and keeps all your rail tidy and basically never clipping https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1448157102966182049/1448167940225499156/image.png?ex=69ce97be&is=69cd463e&hm=dcff33102632a9d8f802a0f0bbf42c6ea0ab4c5c4d48d94b4335cc27f067452e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=311&height=300

[glacial totem]

please no big spoilers but where can I get a better weapon than the starting zapper

[cursive crane]

Theres a larger version

Complete milestones

Also... other weapons

[dense violet]

tier 3

[dense violet]

also the MAM, research the MAM stuff asap

[knotty bear]

If I set my time to april 1st can I redo the april fools? I'm having issues with proton rn and its late.

[dense violet]

should be able to

[glacial totem]

I dropped everything alien or dead into the MAM but no weapons yet. I'd be more confident to go farm enemies for their parts if I had a better weapon..

[cursive crane]

I really wish we could just have a "active event" dropdown in AGS

[cursive crane]

There is a place you can find one if you REALLY want it before you unlock it, but spoilers

Also its not in the mam, other weapons later game are

[glacial totem]

Also, is that rover thing from the Base that I send off into the sky NOT the Space Elevator?

[cursive crane]

Nope. Just a delivery system for milestones, space elevator is big boi and used for tier upgrades

[glacial totem]

Because my only goal seems to be to build the elevator but I don't know whether to keep hitting the goals from the base hub thing or just build the elevator

Is it normal to want to destroy absolutely everything you've built and start again but without starting a new file? LOL

[cursive crane]

Milestones first, if you can do the tier upgrade, do it, but those as you get further and further start to require milestone completion for certain parts

[dense violet]

the weapon in the MAM is in the bottom line, 2nd over

[cursive crane]

Generally if you are an experienced player you can speedrun through the first.. 3 tiers without too much trouble. Things get longer and more automation demanding the further you get

[glacial totem]

bottom line of alien technology I assume?

[dense violet]

megafauna

[glacial totem]

Ok cool. I feel like I should explore more I just like watching the spaghetti work from the comfort of my base

[cursive crane]

Its a beautiful game for sure

[dense violet]

exploring is fun in the game 🙂

[glacial totem]

it was until I ran into a giant hog beast that killed me

I found a lizard dog thing though, can I keep it?

[dense violet]

sure, but you'll want to look up on the wiki how to stop if from disapearing

[dense violet]

you can also build quick little forts to fight from. foundation and a few walls

[glacial totem]

I'm trying not to use a wiki at all, so I guess no lizard for me

[dense violet]

I mean it would tell you teh same thing I would tell you xD

so .. I could tell you but I'd basically be reading the wiki at you
being basically teh same thing

[plucky bone]

OOHH. Excited. Final touches and checkups on my new turbo fuel power station. NGL kinda nervous but should be good. Got em all off so I can start up in order and fill up pipes etc. Stoked. 42?? gens I think. And fabric as a byproduct. maybe swap to something else later like rubber or plastic and sink it.

[glacial totem]

Aye, go on then. I'm on the grassy map if that matters

[primal crypt]

its normal to be messy at start and use messy base to build a proper base.

normally sence you cant really make the base you want with t2 belts.

although you may want to be semi organized sence your first buildbles area may be in place a long time.

[subtle grove]

I can't get the dang Block signals to work.... 😭

[dense violet]

show some overhead images of yoru rail , holding a signal, in #1038092680493801533

[subtle grove]

The problem is my rail system is kind of long and doesn't seem to recognize a full loop of rail with stations and a block before each station. 🤔

[dense violet]

is your train stopping at specific spots?

when it's not supposed to?

[feral vector]

I still need to build a train

[subtle grove]

It's that there's always one Block Signal that's "this signal loops on itself!"

[dense violet]

over head shot of it and the blocks 🙂 in a #1038092680493801533

[subtle grove]

How? I don't exactly have a plane--

[feral vector]

photo mode then decouple the camera

[subtle grove]

I ain't gonna fit in one picture. 🤔 I think I need one of those signal diagrams.

[dense violet]

photo mode takes it from fairly high up

and signal diagrams are less useful since it'll leave out details

[minor rock]

do you guys get massive fps dips when searching buildables in the construction menu

[worn oar]

Is coal generators randomly no longer receiving fluid from a full pipe a known bug? I even have a pump there

[dense violet]

no, you might have flooded an unstable system

[plucky bone]

O boy... Blew a fuse starting my turbo fuel power plant. And somehow I lost 11000 MW and can't start my main. It also saws 550MW only. Ucky.

[feral vector]

rip, hope you fix it easily

I haven't had a fuse blow since I got coal gens, that sound is gonna jump scare me when I hear it again

[minor rock]

lol i figured if you press e , backspace , e backspace repeatedly, you can freeze the frame in place its that slow

[minor folio]

Is it possible to make computer using only iron, copper, and quartz using crystal computer alt recipe

[plucky bone]

👍 I isolated the plant from my main. Thank gosh it made a few M3 of turbo juice and I just started over again one machine and gen at a time. Got it half up. But that don't explain the main. But when I join em Should fire up then.

[worn oar]

Replacing the floor holes and all the connecting pipes seems to have fixed it

1/4 of my 16.38 GW compacted coal power plant is done and it only took... 7.5 hours 😭

I don't know how people have the patience for big builds when even something (relatively) small in the grand scheme of things takes this long

[oblique aspen]

coal power is particularly annoying, and doing that large scale is certainly .. a choice 🙂

[ivory helm]

one of my doggos poopsalot escaped :/

[oblique aspen]

at their size yesterday, they can just walk over any walls 😄

[ivory helm]

its three high three wide with a roof

[bleak valley]

#screenshots message they didn’t care yesterday lol

[ivory helm]

kinda funny tho

but i only got poopypants now that poopsalot escaped

[dense violet]

that seems excessive, were you making it fancy?

[granite jackal]

hello again, how u been?

[round tendon]

is there a specific way you have to set up conveyors leading out of your BP's for the auto connect build mode to connect them properly

[dense violet]

not tooooo shabby yourself? 🙂

[dense violet]

there needs to be distance between the BPs built for it to generate a connection

[cursive crane]

Its all the same map, just different starting areas. Only one map
Otherwise, one can be found here
||Obtaining
Environment
A single Xeno-Basher can be found within a cave in Jungle Spires, dubbed the "Doggo Cave", at any stage in the game. That allows it to be obtained before it can be normally researched and crafted||

[granite jackal]

not really, but yeah, having a belt helps. so like a small belt going in/out of the machine helpe. While building the BP, press R(iirc) button to like change build mode to Auto Connect, and it will show the belts being connected before u confirm build.

[round tendon]

oh okay so i should leave like 1 foundation of empty space between 2 dead end belts and itll connect them?

[granite jackal]

not exactly, when in build mode and holding the BP, move it around nearby the existing BP that is already built and with Auto Connect ON, and it will show the belts being connected. If too close or too far, the belts being connected disappears.

[dense violet]

or just don't stretch belts to the end of hte bps

[round tendon]

oh okay, if i leave space inside the BP then i can still snap em together

[floral sparrow]

Is there an easy way to make sure lifts a few foundations away from each other align properly?

I feel like I'm often eyeballing whether they're at the same height

[round tendon]

if they start from the same height i just count the vertical clicks

if they dont start from the same height then i go fuck myself

[granite jackal]

I'm alright. Had a fever yesterday. I am looking to join a game with someone for a bit, to uhh just check if my internet connection is good enough to handle it.

I had to move my router and extenders and unsure if they are good enough right now where I've placed them. 😅

[floral sparrow]

Sometimes I see a green line extending from it and sometimes I don't, even when I hold CTRL. Do you know what enables it?

[round tendon]

i believe after a certain distance you dont get a line even if it lines up

[granite jackal]

I think hold ctrl while building. If they are at same height, there will be a dotted line between the two to show it. May work without holding ctrl. I just haven't played this game in a few months.

[dense violet]

damn!

[round tendon]

one thing you could do is use a foundation or half foundation snapped to the world grid to measure height and see how far up or down the lift is

[glacial totem]

Thanks. Where is the cave though? My map has no markings. If I find the cave will it be labelled on the map?

[granite jackal]

Can I join one of you for a while? Willing to help a little if you'd like.

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch doggo+cave

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=doggo+cave

[granite jackal]

sigh, the internet dropped for a minute, like 7 minutes ago.

[granite jackal]

lol u wanna improve your weapon that badly? the default weapon you get is kinda good enough. what do u even need it for?

[west jackal]

i mean.. xenobasher is early ish enough that youre fine with zapper... all you need is to kill some basic hogs? plus you can get rebar gun early

[granite jackal]

let me join you for a bit, I'll help ya out a little.

sigh

[flint grail]

Is the April Fool's event only live for one day?

[glacial totem]

I couldn't kill the giant sandshrew so I figured that was the game telling me I was underpowered

[red sun]

I assume you mean an elite/alpha/big boi hog? You can kill one of those with a zapper, but it does take some dodging and weaving

If you stand in one spot too long it will wombo-combo you

[granite jackal]

or if you have more than 1 player in the game, one of them can take it's aggro while the other kills it. or uhh, both take it's aggro while the one it is not charging at attacks it.

[granite jackal]

it's not that simple, you can find sandshrews on route 1 and maybe even a sandslash on route 2. You don't always need to be able to beat it right away. You can ignore it and deal with it later on. Or if you need to build something there, know that you can build from a distance. Be at a distance where the sandshrew can't attack you, preferably at a height difference, and then just build.

[granite jackal]

you are not underpowered, you are the noob trainer spamming ember and don't know how to buff self or debuff or use hazards, or use water type pokes against the ground poke.

[granite jackal]

what event? I didn't check... 😢

[timid rune]

hmm, nuclear power a bit more stable at 240% oc vs 250%

still flctuating at 1.08TW-1.1TW but I think the difference is merely academic at this point

[red sun]

Bean-sized doggos and doggo-sized beans

And the hogs looking like the croissant fuckers from Sanctum

[granite jackal]

oooooooh...meh

just a little graphic change?

[red sun]

It's nothing crazy, it's baked into the game already and just looks at your system time if I'm not mistaken

Yeah it's not a full event like Ficsmas, you didn't miss tons

[granite jackal]

didn't miss anything if I can just rewaind my clock by a day to be disappointed.

xD

[red sun]

It's just a bit of fun tbh lmao

[granite jackal]

this server could use a LFG text channel

along with it's LFG forum channel

[stark blade]

may i make an opinion?

[red sun]

No

[stark blade]

damn bruh 😭

[red sun]

Absolutely not

[stark blade]

i was just thinking tho

napalm nobelisk

using blender to combine
defualt orange fule
nobelisk
and steel pipe

fire damage to all enemys in sourrounding area

[red sun]

I like how you think

[stark blade]

exactily :)

give the players smth they want

M O R E B O M B

[red sun]

Carpet bomb nobelisks, drop em from drones

[ruby steppe]

might as well add a mode with apocalytic beasts that want to destroy your factory

[stark blade]

thats called cluster nobelisk with a refinement

[granite jackal]

that is StarRupture

[ruby steppe]

or just make curent mobs attack in waves and you get notified which base is being attacked

[stark blade]

but are you even playing satisfactory at that point?
or some shooter game
(ngl tho satisfactory shooter game mode would be sick as hell)

[granite jackal]

again, that is StarRupture

[red sun]

If I had a penny for every time I heard someone suggest this here I'd be able to buy Factorio

[ruby steppe]

oke

[granite jackal]

the game or the company?

[stark blade]

but why would you when ya have satisfactory?

[red sun]

From what I know it's a hard no on base defence in Satisfactory

[stark blade]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[red sun]

That's not the game they're making

[red sun]

Yes

[granite jackal]

exactly the answer I was hoping for.

[stark blade]

yes indeed

the wise words of le consumer of paleberries

"yes"

[ruby steppe]

looks fun but would needs looks better with friends which idont have that would like this game

words are hard

[red sun]

If you want base-defence-factory-builder I suggest Factorio

I can't deal with that game it's so damn stressful

That said it's a great game, just not for me

[stark blade]

aka satisfactory with the shooter game thing ya wanted
but in 2d

[ruby steppe]

what i want is satisfactory

[granite jackal]

welcome to my boat

[lapis isle]

Satisfactory is bydesign a sandbox with no pressure (except in pipes) and no fail condition, adding those wouldn't go hard on the playerbase

[ruby steppe]

and a brain that wouldnt get short circuits or overload...

[granite jackal]

starrupture has that too...

[red sun]

Yeah, pretty much. It's antithetical to the existing game

[granite jackal]

can I join anyone for a bit?

[stark blade]

anyway i gtg
bye bye

[red sun]

o/

[void gorge]

👀

Some lines are shaky

[red sun]

Whoa whoa whoa

That took a turn

[granite jackal]

o.o

[ruby steppe]

o.O

[granite jackal]

someone deleted

[red sun]

Just like my factories

[void gorge]

Yes I did

[granite jackal]

oh hey it was mikael

well his emoji looked like that, plus I didn't finish the sentence

[ruby steppe]

oh look its a wild squirtle! gotta throw my pokeball at it

[void gorge]

Doesn't matter, use common sense

[granite jackal]

you mean your pokaball

[red sun]

Quite clearly a wave you absolute curtainpole

[lapis isle]

Use common sense and make sure to graduate that art school

[red sun]

Silly billy

[granite jackal]

depends on how you look at it xD

[red sun]

I'm not gonna randomly pull an Elon in the Satisfactory channel, worry not

[granite jackal]

@void gorge make a LFG text channel alongside the exiting forum channel... for people who are like active that minute.

[west jackal]

Finally finished the 40 fmf/min (mostly) still waiting on mk6 belts so everything can run at 100% but golly that was ... arduous

[granite jackal]

Congrats! What you need 40 per min for, though?

[west jackal]

32/min are turning into pcc

For turbo motors, pasta, and whatever else

[granite jackal]

What's pcc?

[west jackal]

Pressure cube

Already had 90 rcu/min, just had to get the fmf

[granite jackal]

I personally don't go for full efficiency. They build up while you doing other things 😅

[west jackal]

Eh

Im going for 2 TW, I need a lot of these things to produce quickly

[granite jackal]

Nuke plants?

[west jackal]

To be clear. 2 TW WITHOUT augmenter

1.5Tw from nuke, rest from rf

I am doing clean full chain nuke

[granite jackal]

I only did 133GW with rf

[west jackal]

Rn I have like 50GW from rf, with mk6 belts itll double

48 I think^

[granite jackal]

Why belts?

Oh

Nvm

[west jackal]

Can't waste time/node for another sulfur

[granite jackal]

Sulfur and coal

[west jackal]

Just sulfur, but yeah

Using nitro rf alt, I need 200 sulfur per 100 coal to make 16GW

[granite jackal]

Did you build it vertical?

[west jackal]

Which part?

[granite jackal]

The rf factory

[west jackal]

The generators? There is 2 rows stacked

[west jackal]

The big rf factory will be a giant W for watts

Haven't decided if itll be a vertical W or a W when you look down from the sky

[granite jackal]

Rf is a gas and can be built vertical.

[west jackal]

Ik

[cursive crane]

Mikael perusing general factory chat?
-# we love you mikael

[void gorge]

I also miss Jace

No idea who this Snutt guy is

[normal orbit]

Thanks Jace, helps a lot.

[cursive crane]

Coffee stain trying not to pump out world class community managers like

[obsidian zodiac]

hi gamers

i heard world class community manager and figured i should hand in my resignation

[void gorge]

I love when problems solve themselves

[finite cedar]

is there a way to play the old versions

[sterile blade]

New video was fire!
(I just saw it now xD)

[lean fossil]

I'm just PRAYING for a better autosave

[inland thicket]

is there a way to see all unlocked alt recipes without scraping the index?

[hushed frigate]

new player here, is there a reason i shouldnt make egregiously long conveyors? right now im trying to manufacture turbofuel in the crater near grass fields and the distance between the 2 nearest oil nodes and the sulfur nodes is like 700m

[cursive crane]

Aesthetics
Scalability
Organization
Otherwise no do whatever you want

Performance ig as well when it comes to large amounts of them

[sterile blade]

I think the only reason is your own preference ^^
If you hate the look or building process of long belts, avoid long belts~

[hushed frigate]

alr then, time to get building xd

[sterile blade]

Vehicles have a hard time beating belts' performance ... Iirc, it's often the opposite (vehicles taxing the hardware more than belts)

[cursive crane]

Therell be a certain point when you are planning a build around moving 4-5 digit amounts of resources where belts will be a real daunting idea.
Then consider trains and nothing else
[Trucks and drones are nice too, but train superiority]

[hushed frigate]

i havent unlocked trains yet, they seem very scary to manage

[normal orbit]

trains are easy if you just pay attention when building

[cursive crane]

A single train can move vastly more resources more efficiently than the similar amount of belts

We are talking on the scale of 1000s across 1000+ meters, thats where they would save performance

[sterile blade]

Having a copy of the game in that one version...
Dunno if Steam offers some options in this regard...

[cursive crane]

Trains look scary at first, but once you figure out how they work, are very easy to use for very basic large moves

You can always start simple, 2 stations, get a train to move automatically between them, and experiment from there

[sterile blade]

I'm familiar with trains and know that they are the best performance-wise; having that in mind, and accounting for the fact that they are not the only vehicle in the game, I stand by my prior comment ^^

[tough dock]

will the map ever be expanded again?

because there are to voids and I was wondering if thats like where the map will be expanded

[sterile blade]

That's unlikely, outside of far off DLCs or even Satisfsctory 2.0 or something...

[red sun]

Highly unlikely

[tough dock]

how come?

[red sun]

Well, this map we have now has been being built for almost a decade, by hand, and with careful considerations of node and resource placements over time

Plus the map is more than big enough, if you ask me or most other long-time players of Satisfactory

[tough dock]

I agree, but the void areas made me wonder

[red sun]

For sure yeah the voids are a little weird

But there's been zero word on any map changes any time soon

[cursive crane]

Its always possible, but of course probably not something they will say anything about until its nearly done

[red sun]

Not to say it'll never happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath

[tough dock]

I also have explored barely any of the map after 19 hours of gameplay

[glacial totem]

got the Rebar gun and killed some giant spiders. cheers

[cursive crane]

They are pretty consistently talking about wanting to do some sort of dlc/additional content for the game so 🤷‍♂️

[red sun]

Yeah your computer will crash long, long, long before space starts to become an issue

[tough dock]

paid?

[spring phoenix]

I should be allowed to throw heavy oil residue into the ocean

ocean is RIGHT THERE and i don't want the heavy oil residue

[cursive crane]

No clue

Sounds like they dont like the idea of paid unless it would really contribute something though, and would also have to not be like.. part of the story.

[hidden walrus]

so i am experiencing something that i like to call Schrödinger's pipes only when they are not observed are they miss behaving

[glacial totem]

I went into the purple cave and I feel like I'm playing Borderlands

[tough dock]

they never really gave me the feeling of something like paradox so I feel like dlcs would be free optional content

[red sun]

It looks like they're gonna be doing free content updates for the foreseeable, but I wouldn't mind one or two paid DLCs. The game is already well worth the money

[tough dock]

true

[fossil oyster]

I have like 2,000 hours in the game for like 20 or 30 euros. Please make a DLC lol I would throw money at this company easily

[cursive crane]

I dont want to misquote, but iirc one of the cms said sometjing like this in a livestream

[red sun]

I got the game in Early Access for like 17 quid, and I feel like I robbed them

[fossil oyster]

Yeah lol same, player since Update 4 here

[red sun]

Think I got the game late Update 6

[tough dock]

that they want to do free optional content?

[fossil oyster]

30 april 2021, best 30 euros ever spent?

[cursive crane]

I think the main problem is that the community wants to support them more, but they dont just want to pump out useless dlc that wouldnt contribute anything while also wanting to make something worth buying. So its a balance, and from what it sounds like is still in the planning/debate stage

[red sun]

This is one of the very very few games I would consider worth any more than 30 quid and would pay full price for

[steel flare]

same, got it on epic i think when it first released

[red sun]

At least, of the games I've played

[royal gazelle]

I started update 6 as well. Any bugs or suggestions you have are still welcome on the feedback page even after full release btw.

[tough dock]

is update 1.2 small or big in satisfactory terms or will it be the new norm?

[red sun]

1.2 is a pretty big update in comparison to 1.1 in my opinion

[cursive crane]

Well we've really only had 1 update so...
But pretty much about normal it seems

[red sun]

I do expect the size of these updates to taper off at some point because there's only so much you can stuff in a game like this, but who knows

[next ivy]

1.2 sounds fairly small in terms of helpful stuff

[red sun]

1.2 is more technical I think

I.e., rain and weather

[steel flare]

satisfactory has one of the most intune involvement with what the community wants in their game. i feel like if they did ever release a dlc it would be quality and not slop like some other games

[fossil oyster]

They can stuff in a lot more to be honest

[normal orbit]

i think 1.2 is larger behind the scenes, not so much in what we as a player see. the truck system change probably was a lot of effort

[red sun]

Probably, yeah

1.1 added mostly new buildings and such, 1.2 is more actual gameplay and technical stuff

[next ivy]

path system and chaining buildings are the 2 biggest things i think

[spring phoenix]

i'm hyped for the vehicle path update

[steel flare]

definitely the pathing stuff is very hard to code and probably took many many hours to perfect and scale

[cursive crane]

Yea rest assured whatever they decide will take care of us for sure

With how they've talked about not implementing full crossplay though, it sounds like they have a somewhat plan out for a few years at least, 2028/9 or so

[red sun]

I honestly think the weather system would have taken quite a bit longer

[sterile blade]

All while they have yet to add half-ramps, mind you!

[next ivy]

3m ramps you mean ?

[cursive crane]

Half ramp dlc?

[sterile blade]

Half-foundation versions of ramps

[next ivy]

ah ye

[red sun]

I do hope they change their minds about the crossplay thing at some point. It makes sense for performance reasons but it's a bummer nonetheless

Most of my circle plays on console

[next ivy]

or quarter foundations

[steel flare]

i mean yeah thats a good point since they already had a base for the pathing system

[spring phoenix]

3.9m ramps, just under 4m to make people mad.

[sterile blade]

Though, ofc, I wouldn't be against more ramps in general, obviously ^^

[tall lantern]

not so much performance, just technically difficult with their current infrastructure

[red sun]

That too, I just vaguely remember it being said that performance would suck with PC factories on consoles

Specifically really fuckin mental ones

[sterile blade]

Isn't it more of a "really hard to do" thing rather than a "we don't want it" kind of thing?

[red sun]

I think so, yeah

I hope they find a way around that but it's understandable if not

It's just a minor bummer

[sterile blade]

After all, they have to work with the consolle people, which can be quite a pain...

[steel flare]

i cant believe the game runs as well as it does with the amount of entities and props you can build in it

[red sun]

Honestly the performance of this game is incredible, hats off to them

[steel flare]

i mean to think 1000+ entities can render all at 1 time with no real hiccups on a modern machine is crazy most modern games cannot render 20 😭

[near frost]

https://youtu.be/CsIxsQtfktI?si=GwnzLNMzNstX2xpI GUYS PLS WE NEED THIS

[red sun]

Sanitise your URLs pretty please

[near frost]

ITS A LEGO SET

we need this

[sterile blade]

BTW, anytime you place something like a foundation along a line of foundations, the game immediately tries to optimize by seeing wether it can treat the new thing you created as one big "chunk" of foundations (ie: one object)
Optimization is everywhere, all the time

[red sun]

I play Satisfactory then load up Borderlands 4 and it's a wooooorld of difference

It's wild to me how Borderlands 4 is more CPU-intensive than Satisfactory

It just doesn't compute (ha) in my mind

[steel flare]

ada wouldnt approve if it wasnt

[steel flare]

yeah literally its crazy

[sterile blade]

Links in the server are generally quite safe as we have a whitelist system running

[steel flare]

thats what happens when you have an early access game for years though when you release it fully its almost perfect

[red sun]

I have a Ryzen 7 7700X, admittedly not top-of-the-line but certainly not weak, and BL4 runs like ass

[steel flare]

what gpu do you have?

[red sun]

YouTube links are safe, but everything after ?si= is essentially a tracker

[timid rune]

coolios, TIL about fluid buffers

[sterile blade]

That escapes my expertise ^^

[red sun]

Basically tells YouTube that the person who sent the link and the person who clicked it have a connection in some way

Just another way they have eyes up your ass

Sanitising is just removing that ?si element so it's just the video link

[red sun]

Honestly if anything it's my monitor lmao

It's bottlenecking basically everything. I'm looking to upgrade to a GPU that can handle it very soon though

Point is I get like double the frame rate in Satisfactory than what I do in BL4

It's horrendously optimised

[timid rune]

there's no salvation to my satisfactory framerate hah

there's just too many things in this save

[sterile blade]

That's some strong words for what seems like a way to track sharing data (ie: how many people click on this link)...

[red sun]

I mean... it's Google

Can never be too careful lmao

[sterile blade]

By that logic, one would be better off just not using it 🤷‍♂️

[red sun]

I mean, fairs

I just see it as another way to build up a fingerprint

[hushed frigate]

why is my lizard doggo spontaneously fabricating endgame items

[red sun]

Yeah they do that

Just be grateful it's not nuclear waste

[sterile blade]

There is no real lore-answer about that...
Which is actually a tad surprising, at this point

[red sun]

That's just something pets do tbh

They turn up with the most random shit

[sterile blade]

... I guess I'll have to teach my cat to retrieve complex technological devices for me

[red sun]

Apparently my sister's cat rolled up at the house with a whole sandwich wrapped in foil one time

[sterile blade]

Well, food do be appealing ^^

[hushed frigate]

'what do you mean your dog came home with a v12 engine in its mouth'

[torn nymph]

what are yalls ways of lighting up a small room

[flint grail]

No one answered my question... ☹️

[torn nymph]

my fuses are in an l shaped 2x2 thats 6m high and the big light seems overkill

[cyan leaf]

Ngl I hate when getting new miners which messes up ur setup cause u suddenly get more resources tk play eith to upgrade ur setup 😭

[tall lantern]

easily solved/ignored

either

• don't mess with the setup, the usual "leave working factories alone"
• miner upgrades are doublings, so just slap a splitter on, send half the old way, do what you want with the other half

[cyan leaf]

True but if it was like just copper or iron its okay but stuff like steel and aluminium it gets annoying 😭

[reef basin]

It depends on your pc date

[tall lantern]

there are enough resources on the map that you probably don't need to worry about running out

[reef basin]

Nothing says you need to upgrade existing miners

[tall lantern]

so, do you need the resources here? if so, do the split. if not, leave it be

[red sun]

If I'm not wrong the event goes on as long as your system time is set to the 1st of April

[next ivy]

so 1 day

[flint grail]

So, it is for one day only

[red sun]

1 day, but you can fudge it to go on longer if you were so inclined

Similar thing for Ficsmas if I'm not mistaken

[hushed frigate]

fluid mechanics are going to drive me clinically insane

[cyan leaf]

For the dimensional depot which path do you guys focused on first? Tue stack or upload rate

[granite jackal]

stack

more quantity in depot, even if slower is better than faster upload.

still, if u have excess mercers, you can get 1 or maybe 2 upload speed upgrades.

[next ivy]

early on you dont need a lot of rate
and for the components that you want more rate of, just add another depot

[cyan leaf]

Also how does the depo work? This is my first time using it

[granite jackal]

sigh, LFG is dead... I wanna join someone.

[next ivy]

you put items in it

[granite jackal]

cloud storage for your materials. Use mats directly from cloud for building things.

[next ivy]

and you can access them from wherever you are

[cyan leaf]

Ohh i assume u need to have multiple of these things per item u wanna cloud use?

[granite jackal]

try to get inventory upload though, so you can dump excess mats from inventory into depot for on the go inventory clearing without losing anything + 5 free bonus inventory slots.

[next ivy]

no

[granite jackal]

it is better to have 1 depot storage for each item. since it can only upload 1 item at a time.

[next ivy]

1 per item is pretty much standard
multiple per item only if its a commonly used item

like iron plate or concrete

[granite jackal]

You can have multiple stoages for a single item only to boost uopload rate, but since they have a stack limit, it is not always useful

[next ivy]

again, for early in a game

[granite jackal]

can I join someone for a while?

[cyan leaf]

I meant like if I wanna run both iron plates and concrete do I need to have a depo for each one?

[granite jackal]

yes

let me join you

[tall lantern]

#1201555265942724758

[granite jackal]

Lol been there, done that. It's mostly dead right now.

[tall lantern]

it'll be deader anywhere else, in terms of people actually looking for a group

since if people were looking, they'd be using that channel

[granite jackal]

Atleast the people talking on here are active. The ones in that channel are active while looking and then not.

[tall lantern]

yup, but the people in here generally aren't looking for a group

[granite jackal]

So no progress here vs no progress there?

Is ionised fuel a liquid or a gas?

[paper current]

Is steel useful?

[green fiber]

Gas. If the fluid has 2 colors and swirls around, its a vas

[green fiber]

You won't be able to progress without it

[paper current]

So I should research it

[granite jackal]

That's good to know

[granite jackal]

Or stop playing the game entirely 😅

[green fiber]

Progress or Perish

[paper current]

I choose automation

[dense violet]

the milestones are all guideposts on how to progress through the tutorial

[granite jackal]

Telling me or the other guy?

[fossil oyster]

In general. Saving The Day (finishing tier 9) is actually finishing the tutorial.

[cursive crane]

Not really a matter of changing minds unfortunately

Like its basically... does the game not get content for the next cycle [which at this point is a year to year and a half] or actually add tangible things during that period

[red sun]

I don't know tons about why they didn't opt for that tbh

Not saying they should have if they didn't think it was possible, ofc

But I suppose I more meant that I hope they take another look at it and try to figure it out at some point

[dense violet]

ah other guy

[cursive crane]

They started development with the EG backend, to add full crossplay now would mean an entire rework of the backend. Would be the equivelant workload of a patch or two. Would just take so many personalle to undertake that it would set real updates back if they tried now.
Nothing to figure out sadly

[red sun]

That's fair. In that case it's understandable

I'm no game developer so I don't know how much of an undertaking that sort of thing would be

[cursive crane]

Not to mention the amount of work they put into making the current experience... less buggy. It would probably really impact multiplayer/server development

[red sun]

Crossplay is a nice-to-have but if it's infeasible then it's fair enough

I shall have to convince my circle to get Steam Machines or some shit

[cursive crane]

Yea, fortunately not a game that could MASSIVELY benefit from it so much as more multiplayer games so the impact isnt as bad. We still have same platform crossplay at least 🙂

[red sun]

The game's already brilliant as it is, honestly

I can't complain at all

[cursive crane]

What happens with devs that care ❤️

[mossy fulcrum]

shouldn't be difficult cause they are just BETTER than consoles

[red sun]

Oh most of them already want to jump over to PC, consoles are generally just cheaper and more convenient

[sterile blade]

Aside from how complex the specific feature is, anything touching on consoles takes a lot more time AND hoops to go through to get things going as it not just CSS, but CSS + Microsoft/Sony; the latter can makes things MUCH more complex, especially as those companies aren't known to be very easy to work with...
Eg: fixing a bug with vehicles? CSS-only; getting crossplay to function or mods on console would need CSS+ console companies

[mossy fulcrum]

basically just a small form-factor pc

[red sun]

PCs were already far more expensive than consoles. This whole RAM and storage situation isn't making it any easier

[mossy fulcrum]

RAM prices are going down for a bit since Google improved Gemini's efficiency and Sora shut down

[next ivy]

how much is the newest PS

[normal orbit]

$650 for base, $900 for pro

[red sun]

Not sure but last I heard they bumped the prices up by $100 or so

[cursive crane]

Yea I had a couple of people that were looking at building this last winter, that whole thing happened and maan. Idm what to advise people now. Sell a kidney? Lmao

[mossy fulcrum]

I mean we're still not back to pre-AI prices, but it's still a decrease

[cursive crane]

Itll shoot right back soon as they make use of the efficiency boost

[red sun]

My RAM cost me more than my CPU

[normal orbit]

ram been dropping kinda fast since openai pulled out of their commitment to buy it

[next ivy]

current PC was 900

so kinda checks out

[red sun]

Do remember you have to factor in all the peripherals too

[next ivy]

you dont really

[red sun]

Depends

[next ivy]

do you buy a new TV when you get a new console

[frozen mica]

i can't let go of this game

[mossy fulcrum]

Went down ~25% in the past few months on average

[red sun]

No, but if you don't already have a monitor then you'll have to buy one

You're more likely to have a TV to hand than a monitor

[mossy fulcrum]

past few weeks actually

[cursive crane]

From the 200% it went up in the first place lol

[next ivy]

you know...
most TVs work as monitors

[mossy fulcrum]

as I said, it's still not back to it's original price, but it's an improvement

[red sun]

I mean sure but it's not super practical

Unless you go for a Steam Machine style PC and set it up like a console with a controller

Kind of depends what direction you go with your PC, what you're building it to be capable of doing etc etc

[cursive crane]

You only realize how much modern tvs suuuuck when you buy a real monitor to game with
Would rather use a monitor as a tv than tv as monitor

[next ivy]

nah room is just tiny, so im never that far away from TV

[normal orbit]

modern tvs usually have options like "game mode" which disables all the post processing bs they do, and they just become a display

[red sun]

It's usually the size though, TVs tend to be wayyy too big for the distance you'd have it from you in place of a monitor

[normal orbit]

snrk

[real shale]

But crank your fov up and look right at it and it's basically VR

[red sun]

All good until you have a tatty old 1080p TV

Mmmm pixels

[normal orbit]

just went from 34" uw to a 52" uw and the immersion of it completly filling my field of view is just amazing. love it

[mossy fulcrum]

yeah quality looks worse due to lower pixel density + lower refresh rate

[red sun]

You'd be hard pressed to find a reasonably-priced TV with a refresh rate of any more than 60Hz I would think

I'm no televisionologist but

[mossy fulcrum]

tbf my monitor only has 30Hz...

[sterile blade]

BTW, we do have a VR mod...
Just saying, in case anyone may be missing out~

[rough shore]

im a televisionologist and u dont need more than 60hz

[next ivy]

i think we have multiple monitors from like 20-25 years ago
they probably also have 30

[next ivy]

why does my TV have a blue hue

[rough shore]

idk bro my tv had a red hue but then it just came back to normal after a few days

maybe tvs get sick 🤔

[mossy fulcrum]

possessed by the blue ghost

[next ivy]

im guessing its just a cheap TV so it probably has issues

[normal orbit]

having been on 100+ hz for years now, going back to 60 feels awful and stuttery

[next ivy]

it was a present, so i dont get to complain

[normal orbit]

30 actually makes me nauseous

[rough shore]

if u never moved from 60 we wouldnt be complaining fr

[normal orbit]

moving to 100+ was such a leap tho

[red sun]

I'm happy with 120Hz tbh

I have a 180Hz monitor and I really don't notice much difference after 120

[sterile blade]

I'm happy with 30 tbh. 60 is nice, but I rarely appreciate that in a game like SF

[red sun]

Like yeah it's slightly smoother but probably not worth the premium you pay for a 180Hz over a 120Hz monitor

[edgy python]

Hey I’m not at phase 4 yet only at 3 should I go ahead with making a 118,000MW fuel power plant

[red sun]

If you need or can see yourself needing that much power then yeah

[ornate saffron]

If thats what you want to do. Do it. You dont need our input to have fun

[edgy python]

I mean I just want to get power generation done with I’m always right up to my capacity on my power grid and I keep making these small powerplants which are js boring

[red sun]

In that case fuck it, go for it I say

[edgy python]

I was just wondering if I should wait till nuclear to do something like that

[edgy python]

Alr now I just need to build around 200 turbo fuel refineries

I’m already making the fuel from a previous build i abandoned

[ornate saffron]

There is always going to be other options.

I focus on less of what is must efficient and more on what is fun.

I made a 20gw power barg in phase 3 because I wanted to.

[tawdry charm]

Helllo

[edgy python]

I’m already at 35gw total production and I’m still right up to my max capacity

[tawdry charm]

time to go grind oil production

[edgy python]

My power grid usually sits around 34gw consumption I could shut down factories but then that makes my work feel useless

[mossy fulcrum]

then build a giant battery

[edgy python]

Never thought abt that

[cold berry]

I wish I could rename trains like openttd ;-;

[edgy python]

I just need to do something with my 8,600/min fuel

[cold berry]

Is there a mod for renaming vehicles? I'm on experimental so I'll have to wait but like. That'd be nice.

[tawdry charm]

NOOOOO THE APRIL FOOLS THEME IN TOOLS IS GONE

[normal orbit]

you can

[cold berry]

Oh you can

[normal orbit]

just jump into train press Q to open the timetable and just change the name

[cold berry]

Thank God Jesus lol

I didn't see that earlier. I gotta go on a renaming spree

Good thing I realized this while I only have 6 trucks and 2 trains (got to elevator phase 3 and started making a huge complicated computer factory after what I thought was a complex heavy modular frame factory lol)

I have the next phase unlocked but haven't touched it because I wanna get my temporary oil platform a bit better, prep the next oil platform and get ready to dismantle the first and pump the nodes from it into the permanent fixture, and also finish my computer/chip/SAM factory and heavy modular factory (done, but I'm going to rework it to only do heavy modular frames and move engines elsewhere).

I need an infinite delete, a better nudge mod and I need back cartograph and infinite zoop. But I'd rather have the experimental features so I wait lol

I've got a long to-do list before I move on lol but I like that. It's like I've got 3 puzzles to solve

[reef basin]

*power storage

[abstract heron]

<@&370483737957236737> hope u have a good easter weekend

[ornate saffron]

@bitter kestrel it a long standing landscape issue. I somehow played 800 hours before seeing them but they are everywhere

[normal orbit]

everywhere is a bit strong :p theres like 5 of them around the entire map

[ornate saffron]

once i saw the first one i feel like i see them all the time. But it could be just a mental thing

[normal orbit]

if you're actively playing in an area where they are you see it a lot, but its same one. you can play in another biome and never see it

[valid glacier]

will i be using trains allot in phase 3?

[oblique aspen]

logistics is entirely up to the player

[tranquil bolt]

Youll use them when you realize its easier to train in material then run 100 belts from far away. When that point comes is up to you and where your factory/s are

[oblique aspen]

i like using trains. some use long belts. some use tons of trucks.

[tranquil bolt]

For me trains were needed when i couldnt get sulphur in quick enough. I use a train to supplement it. Now i use them a lot

[oblique aspen]

previously it was also very common to have a central storage depot, for which trains were useful, but with Dimensional Depots, many just skip that, and just have an uploader everywhere something is produced

personally, i like my mall, and will keep building one, having trains bringing stuff to it just feels good

.... and yesterday my can full of concrete ran dry while building more trains. Had to expand concrete production so this doesnt happen so quickly again 😛

[ornate saffron]

same, im up to 1000/min

7 dimensional Depots

[dry flax]

does anyone want to play CZ/SK

[ornate saffron]

i dont even know waht those are

[dry flax]

speak czechia or slovakia

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[obsidian zodiac]

you too leo i hope you find some eggs

[ornate saffron]

Love tyhe short yesterday btw, I shared it wide my non cultured(they dont play this game) friends loved it too

[abstract heron]

my eggs are working on my factory 🙂 and nice april fools video

[tawdry charm]

Guys what to pick? Encased industrial pipes or steel rotors

[ornate saffron]

both, but many love pipes

[tawdry charm]

I can pick one only :(

wich one is more usefull?

[abstract heron]

and you out of the basement @void gorge says your hiding there etc etc

[ornate saffron]

they both are, im sorry but i have no answer for you.

[tawdry charm]

picked rotors, since motors have more uses

[abstract heron]

i just saw with hard drives u will get them again no worries

and also for factorys make them by the nodes

[elfin smelt]

its advised to ler them sit there and only pick one if you find a use for one

[timid rune]

hmm finally power output is stable

might fix up ficsonium pipes tomorrow

had to use pipe tuner though

because I think my game lags too much for pipe flow to be stable haha

[hasty mango]

why do i unlock scannable crude oil at tier 8 if i already unlocked it at tier 5

[normal orbit]

cause it now detects the fracking nodes as well

[reef basin]

whichever you like more

same as I've told you before applies - things are subjective and you'd do best to make your own decisions rather than asking us what to do on your save 😉

you can get all recipes anyway, so it's not like you lose the other one

[rough shore]

what if i dropped all of the hard drives in a random place in the ocean and i forgot where they are now

[red sun]

That one's on you

Better go find them

[rough shore]

how is that on me

[red sun]

Well it wasn't the bogeyman who dumped your hard drives in the ocean was it

[reef basin]

then you would buy new ones

[rough shore]

sink ran away

[fluid sapphire]

steel rotor is part of the iron-only motors chain, if thats worth anything to you

[keen flame]

hello chat

[red sun]

o/

[rough shore]

\o/

[tawdry charm]

Motors are already almost only iron? The steel rotor just doesnt need scres

screws*

[red sun]

(o)
o=
/o\

[ornate saffron]

[dense violet]

they mean using iron pipe.
it's a very iron wasteful recipe

[fluid sapphire]

sure are, but you can make them entirely from iron

iron is cheap as chips

[rough shore]

huh

[red sun]

It's YMCA you div

It's not that clear is it lmao

I tried

[rough shore]

bros acting like ik what a ymca is fr

[fossil oyster]

Luckily iron is extremely plentiful!

[rough shore]

ok nvm ik what a ymca is i just didnt know its called ymca

[fluid sapphire]

pure ingots too

ridiculous amount of iron

[timid rune]

iron pipe is fine as long as you are not doing giga scale production of motors

[red sun]

Do you not know the song???

Christ in a can

[fossil oyster]

Then it is still fine

[fluid sapphire]

what song

[red sun]

YMCA

[keen flame]

hii hi hi

[fluid sapphire]

never heard of it

[rough shore]

i just told u ik it but i didnt know it was called ymca

[red sun]

No fucking way

[reef basin]

well, to each their own, I wouldn't want to tap 4 iron nodes just to save a bit of coal lol

[rough shore]

no u have heard of it u just dont know its called ymca

[timid rune]

at 375 motors/min I might reconsider using iron pipe

but most people don't do that scale really

[red sun]

YMCA is quite literally the only lyric I know of that song lmao

[fluid sapphire]

literally never heard of it

[ornate saffron]

young man!

[rough shore]

no i just know 👏 YOUNG MAN

[fluid sapphire]

whos the young man

[rough shore]

no clue

[ornate saffron]

the subject of the song, In this case a Gay american youth

[timid rune]

almost 11.4k iron ore/min for 75/min modular engine using iron wire/stitched plate/iron pipe hah

[rough shore]

just dont use iron pipe 🤷‍♂️

[fluid sapphire]

hey, thats only like 1/8th of whats on the map, whats the big deal :p

[timid rune]

no pures

[red sun]

Misread that as modular frame and was incredibly confused for a second there

[timid rune]

well at that scale I expect builders would have pure iron handy

[fossil oyster]

Yeah this is what I make too in my factory. 75/min modular engine with just iron and rubber, perfect

Obviously Pure Iron Ingot, Recycled Rubber etc

I recently reworked that factory to save on coal. Managed to save on 7500 coal but added like 10k iron ore. Would have been nearly 20k iron ore if I didn't switch to Pure Iron Ingot.

Insert, wait, it's all refinery spam.... Always has been meme

[timid rune]

you basically save 3000 iron/min by using 1800 coal/min

[fossil oyster]

Yeah probably. My save has 42,300 coal/min exclusively tied to Turbo Diamonds :D

[timid rune]

speaking of which.... I need to do turbo diamonds

[fossil oyster]

So that's why I had to re-factor that old build. Get rid of the coal, implement iron everywhere where possible

[timid rune]

pure iron is kinda for vanity builders

[fossil oyster]

What's a vanity builder

[timid rune]

post end-game builds basically

[fossil oyster]

Ah yeah

[timid rune]

you will probably need it if you do 10x-100x (is it even possible) parts in 1.2 lol

[fossil oyster]

100x is possible. Just takes longer.
2x recpie costs is also possible. Just takes even longer.

Even 2x recipe/100x parts/5x power is possible. Just takes even longer and you get punished for using vehicles

[timid rune]

belts everywhere at that point lol

[fossil oyster]

Yeah. Even All Impure is possible I'm sure. But you will probably need to turn parts of your factories off when you are at tier 8 and getting 100,000 nuclear pasta will probably take some time :D

[timid rune]

well there's no time limit (other than mortality of you or the pc/console) so theoretically anything can be done

[fossil oyster]

It's what I call The Full Masochist Run. 2x recipe. 100x space parts. 5x power. Random All Impure

[timid rune]

just more micromanagement

[fluid sapphire]

valheim with 0,25x resource modifier except 1000x worse

[fossil oyster]

Yeah it sounds dreadful. It basically forces you to underclock all your machines. Belts only. Luckily you don't need so many with only impure nodes.

[timid rune]

gonna do leached caterium runs next save

[fossil oyster]

I have a lot of those

Sulfur is plentiful, so why not

[timid rune]

what's your go to turbofuel receipe

normal or blended?

[fossil oyster]

Well, since I use 100% coal for Turbo Diamonds, there is only one option

Blended

[tawdry charm]

At what point should i build a megafactory? Is it worth to produce like 6 items and tons of power?

[next ivy]

you probably want more than 6 items

[tawdry charm]

Is it possible to build working trains without signs?

[next ivy]

and you never have to build a megafactory

[spare prism]

hi

[next ivy]

and you dont need signals for trains to automate them

[tawdry charm]

alr

[latent prawn]

you can, but the second you have 2 trains sharing track, you'll run into issue

theoreticlaly, it is possible to create a train network where all trains routes avoid one another based on exact timings. creating such a network is pretty untractable of a problem, however

[sterile blade]

Still waiting for the speedruns on that

[latent prawn]

i'm doing 100x elevator/5x power/1x recipe/all pure and I'll say that ~90 hrs in i'm about halfway on the second elevator delivery

the nasty issue i've been having is that water extractor power really decreases coal power's yield quite significantly

[fossil oyster]

Nitro Fuel OP

[latent prawn]

yeah, that isn't available until phase 3

actually i think phase 4... requires blender

5x power is a lot more than just factory power is 5x, it also means that power plant yield is significantly lower which makes for difficulty. when a mk1 pump is 20mw, you need to think twice about building coal vertically

[fossil oyster]

Yeah, go for Fuel then

[latent prawn]

fuel is phase 3. i'm slumming in phase 2

[fossil oyster]

5x power is just kinda silly tbh...It's just forcing you to build in a very tedious way. Yeah, don't build pumps. Don't build trains or trucks or any vehicle. Just all belts. Underclock machines. As few water extractors as possible, yeah, so you need way more coal plants

[latent prawn]

well, APA's exist which make it tennable

i find honestly that with it all you're having to focus a lot more on exploration, and that is a pretty nice change

gotta go for now, laterz

[winged root]

You don’t need signals if you have a single line, otherwise if there is 2 trains or junctions yes

The alternative is constantly up righting them

[next ivy]

oh rerailing

[winged root]

Quantum trains got taken from us

[next ivy]

never saw them

[winged root]

Previously they could just pass through each other

[real shale]

Quantum tunnelling

[reef basin]

never tbh

[reef basin]

(assuming you mean "megafactory" as "produce all items in a single place")

if you mean just big factory, you can build it at any point

[frozen mirage]

noob quetion. i usually use smart splitters to do 1 priority way and another with overdraw. but does the normal splitted do the same? like if the first line is full, all items goes to the second?

[reef basin]

yeah

[frozen mirage]

oh kk so i was wasting a ton of materials lol

[valid glacier]

is it worth it to create a 10,000MW fuel power plant for phase 3 of space elevator?

[reef basin]

"worth" is subjective

do you want/need that power? will you have fun making that power?

[valid glacier]

i want that power but most likely i will need it

[reef basin]

then go for it 🙂 you don't need to validate your game choices with us 😉

[valid glacier]

okay ill do it

[fossil oyster]

People like to get validated before they commit 10s of hours on something

[valid glacier]

true

[reef basin]

which is what I did?

I just said that there's no need to do so

[rustic star]

I’d rather reduce power requirements because i feel like spending a lot of time building power plants.

[proven snow]

That sounds self-contradicting to me

[valid glacier]

ugh its so annoying when your 2000+ meters away from your main factory and you run out of materials

[ornate saffron]

Once you unlock the ||dimensional depot|| in the MaM this is not a issue

[reef basin]

that's what depots are for

[real shale]

USBullalo

[hallow crow]

700 hours and 1. still havent beat the game, 2. still bad at the game 😭

[ornate saffron]

Ive beat the game. But im bad at it lol

[valid glacier]

i have that but i run out of lots of different materials allot and i dont know which ones to upload to depot

[hallow crow]

how many hours u got?

[valid glacier]

but that did remind me that depots existed so thank you

[reef basin]

all of them

[ornate saffron]

1000+

[hallow crow]

😭

[real shale]

Also hello everyone

Soon I do 70 cooling systems factory...

[flint dawn]

anyone have a chart which shows which components are used to make other components in an order?

[reef basin]

given there are alt recipes that change that, that chart would be basically a web

[flint dawn]

True

[reef basin]

also, please do not ask in multiple channels 🙂

[hallow crow]

but still would be very useful to me atleast

[reef basin]

open wiki or codex ingame then

[hallow crow]

i meant the web thing

i do look at the codex alot

[reef basin]

what web thing?

do you want a production planner?

[hallow crow]

nah, like what i meant it would be cool to see like every recipe and its requirements in one image thing

[reef basin]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production
click recipes

[hallow crow]

but im all good lol i know that the satisfactory modeler

[hallow crow]

oh shi, this is very usefull actually