satisfactory

[fluid sapphire]

Basically the draw for encased frame is not having to make screws at all, if you don't mind screws it doesn't matter

[unkempt blade]

I however will give extremely opinionated and often factually incorrect answers if you just want a direct answer

[deft sluice]

it's more so that i've spent probably the last 2 hours running around looking for any coal within 1km of a water source because every factory (that i now must scale up to like 5x) also costs 2x as much power

so now i need 5x more production and 2x as much power so...10x the power output i would normally need at this stage

[marble fractal]

no u just lie

[unkempt blade]

thanks I love you too

[feral vector]

I had to force the calculator to use heavy flexible frame by disabling the default recipe, is that because of how bad it is 😛

[deft sluice]

@reef basin if i might make a suggestion for whenever you decide to mess with the calculator again, add a way to put in a modifier for power for 1.2.

[lavish flame]

secret strategy: put sloops in every single machine to make your progress through the game much faster! 👍

[jagged nymph]

Or you can just multiply what it tells you by your multiplier

Using a calculator

[reef basin]

or because your specific configuration of alt recipes didn't provide the result the calculator needed to make it better in the subjectively-picked optimisation target

[jagged nymph]

If you had infinite power and infinite sloops then yeah!

[deft sluice]

I could also just manually calculate the entire factory by hand, but that's what the tool is for

[reef basin]

most likely not happening in current Tools. Very possible in new Tools

[lavish flame]

if you're good enough at the game you should have that

[jagged nymph]

Yeah but its one calculation, not a series of calculation dependent on eachother

[marble fractal]

isnt ther eonly like 50 of those on the map even in god mode

[feral vector]

you save 56 limestone and 29 coal, but spend 135 more iron and 60 crude, flexible seems so bad

[jagged nymph]

I mean im not saying its a bad idea but you can just do that instead

[proven snow]

Feel that. I’m doing 2x power with 10x parts rn and power is definitely rough. I find it helpful to just truck coal from like 5 different nodes over to one water spot

I also play with some self imposed rules that complicate power a bit but generally on those settings I find it’s just more logistics, tapping nodes around the map and transporting it

[deft sluice]

That's fine, i wasn't expecting it to happen anytime soon, just a suggestion

[feral vector]

maybe it combos with some alt recipes I don't know of idk lol I feel like I'm missing something

[unkempt blade]

it's only good at math, you have to ignore it sometimes and follow your heart because math is a liar

[reef basin]

most likely culprit is not using the alt hor -> diluted fuel -> recycling loop?

[lavish flame]

theres 209

[proven snow]

Oh also geothermal power is super nice at coal stage

[marble fractal]

yea something around ther

[deft sluice]

Yeah i'm only using a 2x multiplier so it's a simple calculation, but if the calculator is gonna do 99% of the work, may as well just have it show the correct number anyways

[feral vector]

hmm maybe

[lavish flame]

when are they adding the skill tree and pvp?

[deft sluice]

With randomized nodes? Most of the coal i've found so far is in the interior of the map, i would need to haul it very far with just belts

[feral vector]

well I just need a bit of heavy modular frames I guess I'll just make a production chain for 2 per minute or something for now cause it seems kinda bleh with this base recipe

[deft sluice]

got myself 3 uranium and 4 SAM nodes in the grassy hills though, fantastic spawn

[feral vector]

or I can keep hand feeding storages into a manufacturer lol

needs so many screws 🙁

[proven snow]

I’m doing randomized nodes randomized purity yeah

I have a rule of not using belts long distance so don’t know about that, but the new truck routes feel sooooo good. I’m tapping coal from 4 different areas right now

[feral vector]

would be nice to have steel screws but I only have the cast screws

[deft sluice]

ooh i havent yet unlocked the trucks, i gotta take a look at that

still working out where to pull power from the make rotors and modular frames..

[unkempt blade]

on the plus side many people consider cast screws to be the best recipe in the game

[lavish flame]

this might be a stupid question but is random nodes actually 100% random? or is there still some semblance of balance so you don't by chance end up with a map full of only uranium

[feral vector]

isn't that just early game?

I mean I guess if I'm gonna make heavy modular frames that recipe lets me skip a lot of constructors

[unkempt blade]

it's not not early game

[deft sluice]

As far as i can tell its full random, but with only playing one save it's hard to be sure

[keen flame]

ooohh thanks

[deft sluice]

i have a lot of coal in the grassy area, 4 nodes, and 0 copper

[proven snow]

Also pro tip: the truck stations say they need 40mw each which sounds like a lot, but I think that’s only when theyre actively loading/unloading so don’t worry about it

[keen flame]

thanks!

thanks to you too... you got the spirit

[lavish flame]

i try

[unkempt blade]

Did 1.2 increase it? I thought they were only 20

[feral vector]

I'm not on experimental and trucks honestly seem pretty good

[deft sluice]

Damn, 21 hours of gametime to complete my 5k smart plates lmao

i might need to increase production...

[marble fractal]

lmaoo

[unkempt blade]

Pretty much all the vehicles are good at least within a niche. I think some people just don't like that they're not zero upkeep cost like conveyors

But once your factory is big enough a little resource/power cost for upkeep is no big deal

[feral vector]

this game has way too much stuff to do... I still want a train to go get plastic and rubber from my refineries, I need to automate the next two phase 3 parts, wanna automate computers and heavy frames, need more hard drives

[feral vector]

power wasn't that bad early game, I think I did like 15 biofuel burners belt fed by a storage container and only ran out if I was afking

[lavish flame]

this game is genuinely the most addicting thing i've ever had to deal with

[feral vector]

and coal is amazing when you get it

[feral vector]

right lol, I'm playing an unhealthy amount

I legit have like 4 different things I'm excited to do

[unkempt blade]

yeah getting to coal isn't too tough and from there it's just getting scaled up a bit

[deft sluice]

wait until you get that first turbofuel factory up and running and go from like 20k MW to like 400k MW

[lavish flame]

every day i wake up and consider skipping all my activities in order to construct, automate, explore and exploit

[feral vector]

explore for drives, make my refineries and fuel gens look cooler, make a train so I can do plastic and rubber stuff at my main factory, start a second floor on my factory for manufacturer stuff and phase 3 parts,

[proven snow]

1.2 has modifiers likr 2x power consumption which both me and sector play with

[unkempt blade]

one change I'd love to see but don't really expect to ever happen would be making conveyors have some sort of power cost to run

[jagged nymph]

burger

[jagged nymph]

NO

[unkempt blade]

power cost for conveyors would make other logistics options more of an interesting choice

[lavish flame]

why would you do this to yourself

[jagged nymph]

it goes up to 5x

[lavish flame]

so it goes up to torture

[jagged nymph]

and theres 2x recipe costs, where every recipe uses 2x resources

[feral vector]

just make conveyor power cost an advanced world setting? or only have it apply if they are longer than like 500m or 1km or something?

[unkempt blade]

ahhhh ok

[feral vector]

this would get insane right because things have multiple steps?

[lavish flame]

so also torture

[jagged nymph]

yeah it gets insane fast

stuff like nucelar just isnt worth it

[unkempt blade]

Yeah like I said it's not something I'd ever expect to get maybe outside of mods but I think it'd make it more interesting if a 5km conveyor had a power cost based on length or whatever. It would give conveyors a niche like every other logistics tool

conveyors are currently the only option with no power cost ever - even pipes have power cost when we get into headlift situations

[feral vector]

playing with only conveyors sounds kind of annoying tbh

[jagged nymph]

i think it would have to be above a certain length before it starts using power, cause if micro belts inside blueprints and stuff used power that would be torutre

[feral vector]

I've only ran a few long distance and it's hassle I couldn't imagine doing dozens of them

[jagged nymph]

yeah trains are awesome

[feral vector]

I want to make a train but I should automate some stuff first lol

[unkempt blade]

Or only apply mk2 and higher or something. I think there are ways to make it interesting but not oppressive

[feral vector]

I just go pick up the rubber and plastic myself occasionally with my hypertube

[lavish flame]

cool train > actual advancement

[feral vector]

I don't think you understand how long I've been stuck without progression XD

[lavish flame]

train.

[feral vector]

hmm I'm assuming I should set up some blueprints to make train tracks I'll go mess around with that

[deft sluice]

Definitely

[cedar iris]

bababooey

[lavish flame]

is it bad of me that i always rawdog my railways?

[feral vector]

can someone give me a quick explanation on auto connecting blueprints together? I heard that's a thing?

[cedar iris]

aw man

what did I even do

[jagged nymph]

ill record a video of how it works rq

[feral vector]

depends if you like doing it lol

[deft sluice]

I remember when i was doing my first playthrough and i unlocked the blueprint designer, i spent like 5 hours just building blueprints

[jagged nymph]

ill send it in #screenshots

[lavish flame]

everything.

[feral vector]

you don't have to do that I can google it

[cedar iris]

impossible

[deft sluice]

blueprints make everything better

[lavish flame]

possible.

[jagged nymph]

eh im already in my testing world anyway

and it may make it more clear how it works

[feral vector]

ok if you feel like it than thanks

[lavish flame]

you might be a goat for that

[feral vector]

I'm sure I can find something online I figured I'd ask quick

[lavish flame]

he's just goated like that

[cedar iris]

if I did everything, then you did everything too

[lavish flame]

i've done nothing

[cedar iris]

literally false

ANYWAY

[lavish flame]

literally very true

[cedar iris]

goodnight pioneers

[unkempt blade]

what's the most nothing you've ever done at one time?

[lavish flame]

goodnight pioneer

[cedar iris]

everything everywhere all at once

[lavish flame]

why did we add the flag

😭

[cedar iris]

we?

[lavish flame]

you.

[cedar iris]

yes

me

[lavish flame]

crazy

[dusk rover]

I finally got every achievement in satisfactory that golden nut statue was crazy hard

[lavish flame]

bro i spent like an hour making a factory, nothing special, and it ended up taking me like 12 hours to make it actually look good

[cedar iris]

well done

[jagged nymph]

@cedar iris stop spamming

[lavish flame]

and even then i stole most of my ideas from someone else 😭

[cedar iris]

yes sir

or ma'am

[jagged nymph]

you can get muted or banned for that so just warning you

[cedar iris]

I haven't gotten in trouble yet

[lavish flame]

😍

[unkempt blade]

you just learned from other people

[jagged nymph]

yeah but you might

[feral vector]

seems pretty chill, just gotta toggle the mode, ty

[lavish flame]

true but it feels like i'm just copying others, not actually thinking and making my own stuff

[unkempt blade]

you just need to get way more unhinged with what you're building then

[jagged nymph]

yep, remember that it cant autoconnect into splurgers, so you have to have a little belt segment coming out of the splurger for it to connect if you have say a tilable manifold blueprint

[lavish flame]

splurgers

[jagged nymph]

mhm

[lavish flame]

i'm immature.

[jagged nymph]

😭

[feral vector]

ahhh good tip

[unkempt blade]

like me getting takeout from the fancy thai place tonight

[feral vector]

welp I just looked at the production chains for adaptive control units and modular engine factory, guess I gotta learn to build bigger factories now

[lavish flame]

thai splurgers 🤤

[feral vector]

usually I just do one assembler for these project parts but it makes 1 per minute and I need 500 XD

[jagged nymph]

then make like 2/minute

[feral vector]

I already hate screws and I haven't even started this factory

maybe I should explore for more hard drives lol yikes

[cedar iris]

they're not as bad as you think

[jagged nymph]

I LOVE SCREWS

[next zealot]

curious, what are chances we get more tiers later on?

[feral vector]

almost as many constructors for screws as there are other buildings total

[lavish flame]

screws are overhated man

[cedar iris]

very very low

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message
how could you hate this?

[unkempt blade]

I wouldn't hold your breath but anything can happen 😆

[lavish flame]

not if i have anything to say about it

[feral vector]

that does look very satisfying

this game is like... paralyzing for a perfectionist jesus lol

[reef basin]

make them in front of the machine that needs them

[feral vector]

time to yolo some production chains

[reef basin]

screw hate is overrated

[cedar iris]

next you need mk 6 belts and a whole highway (motorway?) of them

[reef basin]

pretty close to zero imo

more content? probably can happen, but more tiers almost definitely not

[cedar iris]

I literally said that

[jagged nymph]

no you said "very very low"

[cedar iris]

which is pretty close to zero

[lavish flame]

depends

[jagged nymph]

"more content? probably can happen, but more tiers almost definitely not"

[unkempt blade]

pretty close to zero is infinitely larger than zero though

[feral vector]

should I just leave all my stuff alone and make a whole new production chain? like... I'm making motors that go to storage/sink, just make even more motors on my second floor for these project parts and keep my storage motors going?

I guess I'm not even close to my power limit might as well just make the new stuff self-contained

[keen flame]

🏳️‍⚧️ mentioned

[feral vector]

not even close yet lol

[reef basin]

I don't see any specification of possibilty of more content in your messages 🤔

[cedar iris]

I used to just make plenty of resources for progress and sink excess, but making space elevator parts to sink give much more points

[jagged nymph]

are ye kidding me

ONE single miner wasnt overclocked, stalling my steel production

[jagged nymph]

NO ITS WORSE

[feral vector]

I guess it depends which parts it is? I want to keep some automated motors going into storage cause I use them for stuff

[jagged nymph]

IT HAS THE SHARDS IN IT, I JUST DIDNT SET THE CLOCK SPEED

[feral vector]

sounds like something I'd do

[feral vector]

oof

[cedar iris]

smart splitter overfloe

[jagged nymph]

welp atleast i solved the issue

[normal orbit]

skill issue, dayo :p

[feral vector]

that sounds even more like something I'd do

[keen flame]

legit did that today

[feral vector]

yeah that's what I do, I'm just saying like, I could siphon some motors up to this second floor factory to help make modular engines

[lavish flame]

😭

[cedar iris]

do you ctrl + click to fill all the shard slots

[jagged nymph]

i only needed 2

[cedar iris]

but do you

[jagged nymph]

no

[cedar iris]

inefficient

[keen flame]

i shift click

[jagged nymph]

or actually i dont know

i dont know what keybinds i use its just muscle memort

[cedar iris]

shift click for 1, ctrl click to transfer all possible

you can also use hotkeys 1-0 to transfer related items quickly

[normal orbit]

ever been so lazy you just end up running a fair distance to middle mouse click grab a overclocked miner rather than just chucking the shards in

[cedar iris]

the related items section in the inventory is a game changer

[feral vector]

ok I just tried to put both phase 3 parts into one factory and that seems like it overcomplicates things yikes

[jagged nymph]

why not make everything in the game in one factory?

[deft sluice]

someone link that megafactory that someone built out in the sand desert

[feral vector]

even two things seems kinda nuts 😛

[deft sluice]

probably the most intricate factory i've ever seen

[jagged nymph]

im making everything in one factory

it makes things super simple actually, need to make hmf? drag oevr belts from the stuff im alr making

[feral vector]

I get so confused when I start doing that lol

[reef basin]

(if you ignore all the logistical headache)

[feral vector]

I think I'm just gonna have one production chain for each part

[reef basin]

yeah that's generally the way simpler method

[feral vector]

it can't be that much more resources right lol

[reef basin]

no, it's actually same amount of resources

[rose lintel]

So when setting up the truck station do you set up pathing from the load and unload doors? Or from the crane thing on the other side?

[cold berry]

Is train-feeding factories sufficient? Like, is it fast enough? I'm worried about that lol

[jagged nymph]

it is, if you buffer it

im bringing in over 3000 iron/minute with trains

[cedar iris]

add train
add train
add train
add train
add train

[reef basin]

same answer as "if belt-feeding factories sufficient?"

[deft sluice]

most late game factories are fed by trains

if you aren't getting enough throughput, add more wagons

if that doesn't work, you're not adding enough wagons

[unkempt blade]

I agree, this is just the logical conclusion of independency

[normal orbit]

if you build the tracks right you can just keep adding trains

[cold berry]

Okay, I'm just new to trains. I have a train running for modular frames -> heavy modular frames but those are slow.

They're my first train lol

It's just a simple 1-cart back and forth supply chain for a single thing

But those work fine in openttd and they'll work here lol

[cedar iris]

my first train was to get raw quartz and caterium ore from one place to another

[deft sluice]

I remember on one of my saves spending like 20 hours making a train network just to gather all the bauxite on the map...

[cedar iris]

water be like

[reef basin]

it's same as belts. If throughput is not enough, you won't get enough

[cedar iris]

I'm going to go to sleep

[cold berry]

I'm doing an "All computer chip, computers and SAM items" factory next. It'll be my most meticulously designed with 2 train stations for unloading 3-box trains

[jagged nymph]

my next project is the rotors and stators and motors

[cold berry]

And it'll have a 4 lane sorting belt

[ornate saffron]

1.2?

[cold berry]

Maybe 2. IDK yet

[jagged nymph]

yea why does that matter

[feral vector]

on satisfactory tools, can I set my available alt recipes once and have it apply to new production calculations?

I don't even know how to check which alt recipes I have unlocked the only one I remember taking is solid steel ingots

[jagged nymph]

@reef basin not sure how hard/easy it would be to implement, but would importing a save to enter what alternates you have unlocked be something you might add in the future?

[feral vector]

not trying to complain heh just wondering if I'm missing something. I think my best bet is to clone the tab when I want a new calculation?

[jagged nymph]

idk

but uploading a save for the alts would be really nice

[crude canyon]

which is worse to do, RCU or ACU

[jagged nymph]

neethur

[hollow hazel]

A question: Does the new power daisy-chaining work with hypertubes? Because that sounds like it would make hypertube cannons easier/cheaper to build. 😅

[crude canyon]

yes

[dusk rover]

Now that I have every achievement in satisfactory what is there left to achieve?

[feral vector]

daisy chaining?

[crude canyon]

trying the game but with different mods
Trying nuclear

[crude canyon]

trying it again but faster, trying it again, but with the new changes, like randomizer

[ornate saffron]

1.1 does not have any buildings that require stators 1.2 does

[jagged nymph]

oh yeah true

[hollow hazel]

dismantles all nk.3 power poles/plugs

[jagged nymph]

i dont plan to use the fluid trucks anyway though

[uncut quail]

quick question
could i have a save on 1.1 official branch ( to coop with a friend)
and one on 1.2 on experimental branch
then switch between version depending on which im playing ?

[reef basin]

no idea, would need to implement a save-file parser, or use some other opensource one. Neither of which I want to do with current tools, maybe possible in new tools

and yeah, make a tab with recipes you have and clone that tab - it's a workaround, but best I can do right now

[ornate saffron]

yes BUT youll need to redownload the 8gb everytime you switch

[uncut quail]

its not a problem to have to redownload it each time ( its done in 1-2min max )
thx for the answer 😄

[ornate saffron]

backup your saves and blueprints

[uncut quail]

ye i do that already , no problem , im used to test beta branch
and i dont use any blueprint ( dont like how its done in satisfactory )

[lean nexus]

To make a full 270 belt into 240 and 30, I could take 60 off of the 270 and then merge half back in?

[reef basin]

or use a single splitter and let it self-balance

[lean nexus]

Oh yea I didnt think of that lol

I was using excess sulfur to make black powder from my belt thats doing compact coal

[jagged nymph]

Yes that works

[proven snow]

Makes the game more interesting / longer playability

2x power, 10x elevator parts, and randomized ore locations and purity

Plus some self-imposed challenges like making local power for each factory, only having one sink on the map, not using belts long distance, etc.

[jagged nymph]

Fun fact: originally there was only going to be 1 sink allowed, but it was changed

[plucky bone]

Can you have multiple drones running the same route?

[cold berry]

I'm going to do a mixed challenge run next. True Randomized nodes, but 50% power, more normal nodes, and some amount multiplied space elevator parts, and a less multiple crafting recipe parts

Maybe no on the crafting recipe multiplier. That seems intense

Maybe one day lol

[plucky bone]

Ya. Go hard or go home is maybe a tad much for a game.

[feral vector]

what does the satisfactory tools production calc optimize for? I said I have steel rotor and stitched iron plate recipes and it didn't use either of them for modular engine or adaptive control unit factories

[next zealot]

why though? Is the game considered feature complete?

[proven snow]

Although I have no evidence of it, I feel like the idea of power loss if power lines are dragged long distance was also an idea on the table, but decided against.

[feral vector]

I'm using the items per minute setting

[jagged nymph]

That would be an interesting mod

And different tiers of powerlines have less power loss

[proven snow]

Yeah I'm trying to self impose it but really doesn't feel as good as if it was an actual mechanic

[leaden turret]

March 30th, 2021
Q&A: Loss of efficiency over long distances?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3mcXzVjUZQ

^the evidence

[proven snow]

knew it, thanks

[cold berry]

I can't think of what I'm not making RN lol. Aside from computers and computer chips.

That's a good thing. 🙂

[proven snow]

Gas masks?

[ornate saffron]

crystal Ocs
Ai limiters
Hi speed con
HMF

[feral vector]

modular engine default recipes is 517.5 iron, 60 coal, 80 copper... forcing alt recipes is 170 iron, 203.3 copper, 120 coal hmmm

[cold berry]

I've got heavy modular frame at close to max speed on one. (need better belts for max), and those are included in "computers and computer parts" which I'm about to make the factory for. My first big train-fed factory because it has so many different inputs.

[feral vector]

so the alt recipes use like 75% of the resources if you value copper/coal/iron all the same, I'm guessing it factors in that copper and coal are more rare than iron?

[jagged nymph]

an arbitrary subjective goal that preferes to conserver rarer resources, according to greeny

or smth like that

[reef basin]

weighted resources (e.g. if there's three times as much iron as copper, then using 1 copper is equal to using 3 iron)

[feral vector]

based on quantities available map-wide?

[jagged nymph]

i see, that makes alot of sense

[reef basin]

indeed

[feral vector]

awesome thank you

[clear ivy]

wheres a good place to deliver feedback

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @jagged nymph

[feral vector]

welp maybe screws aren't that bad then lol

[reef basin]

they indeed aren't

[feral vector]

I trust the calculator's judgement on what's a better strategy much more than my judgement, idk wtf I'm doing yet

[jagged nymph]

nope, they are awesome

[reef basin]

well, the "better" is still subjective

[lavish flame]

self torture

[feral vector]

first playthrough = tutorial and all

[clear ivy]

cast screws are a life saver

[feral vector]

yeah I get it, if I have tons of surplus copper and coal nearby the alt recipes are probably better

[jagged nymph]

yeah in phase 1 its pertty nice

[reef basin]

generally you should learn to analyse recipes yourself and pick your own path

[reef basin]

cast screws are overrated

[feral vector]

which is like... actually kind of true in this grassy starter area

[cold berry]

My biggest want for this computer factory is to have all the storage go to one room for the first time, and to really route output throughput to keep it neat. And also, to have train output already set up in the computer factory.

So that I can move them via train to the project assembly factory I am making for the final project assembly, that I am going to convert into a sink for all the high value items in the game

[feral vector]

I'm not even close to using the two nearby coal nodes, and I could take all the coal from 4x normal nodes that's goign to my coal generators and bring them to this factory pretty easily if I just ramp up fuel gens a bit

and I think there's lots of copper nearby hmmm maybe I do just use the alt recipes

[normal orbit]

Resource weighting is something you might wanna reconsider based on build plans

[feral vector]

I don't really have a plan lol just trying to do 5x a min of the one thing and 1x a min of the other thing as an arbitrary goal since then I'll have both of them ready at the same time

guess I could do 10x and 2x it's probably not that much more work 🤔

[cold berry]

Does compact coal burn like, for higher power output, too?

[marble fractal]

what does auto pilot do on the explorer

[cold berry]

It pilots it automatically

[marble fractal]

where to

[normal orbit]

Not technically. It burns slower so can go into more coal gens

[cold berry]

Between stops on the universal vehicle line

[marble fractal]

does it work even when ur not in it

[marble fractal]

why do u use coal when there are more usefeul things like uranium and fuel

[normal orbit]

Cuz those not available at tier 3

[cold berry]

So not really worth it on my pure node run lol. But still worth toying with because I have that 4 coal nodes by the ocean thing in the Rocky desert going on

[jagged nymph]

pepsi is a troll, just block and ignore him

[cold berry]

Now I wanna add compacted coal to my list of shit to do lol

[jagged nymph]

yeah churbofuel is great

[leaden turret]

churbofuel should be the recipe made from lizard doggo cheese

(it is canon that it is highly combustible)

-# well, the milk is, anyway

[bitter dust]

I’m blown away by how good this game is

It’s gunna become my main for a while just finishing up this factorio run

[jagged nymph]

i got dyson sphere program but it hurts my brain like 10x mroe than satisfactory

[bitter dust]

Yeah that one is good too

[ornate saffron]

try to remember that satisfactory isnt factorio lol. The main bus aint god, And pass signals are not chain signals

[marble fractal]

your gonna quit once u unlock the manufacturer

[bitter dust]

Never give up never surrender

I’ll manufacture some rip and tear

[lavish flame]

blown ha ha ha ha

[jagged nymph]

He's a troll, block and ignore

[bitter silo]

Can't figure out how to link it, but anyone got any opinions on my new railway bridge in #design-and-architecture

[wise junco]

I seriously love it. it gives the illusion of being super sturdy

i think it could use periodic supports underneath as bracing

[bitter silo]

It's over a massive ocean so can't really do supports under

[plucky bone]

If I have train line A and train line B and I merge the tracks into 1 then I can have both trains stopped for repairs then restart them and should be ok? As long as I have proper block signals as well.

[jagged nymph]

repairs?

[plucky bone]

Stopped so they don't run me over while I join the 2 tracks into 1 big track.

[bitter dust]

Ah. Must be because Dr Pepper is king

[lost cloak]

is it possible to make the game draw energy from bio as a last resort? if batteries run out

[wise junco]

yes

[lost cloak]

oh how

[jagged nymph]

biomass burners already do that

[wise junco]

^

[lost cloak]

no

[jagged nymph]

thats how they work by default, theres no way to make it not do that

[wise junco]

they will only activate if the rest of the grid is overloaded

[lost cloak]

no

[wise junco]

yes

[lost cloak]

no

[jagged nymph]

yes, thats how they work

[wise junco]

how do you think they work?

[jagged nymph]

"nuh uh youre wrong because i say so"

!wikisearch biomass burner

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=biomass+burner

[lost cloak]

well, you are. they draw from bio before batteries

[marble fractal]

Nalv is right I also tried that

[cobalt pumice]

setup a biomass burner station near main power then to restart cut off everything but powerplant and feed leaves

[wise junco]

so priority switch your biomass grid and then only turn it on if your batteries are dry

[cobalt pumice]

i converst to solid biofuel first, run the whole thing as one station

[lost cloak]

i dont feed it leaves, i use protein for bio.

But yea, you two were more confidently wrong than GPT, holy moly

priority switch, will try that

[wise junco]

apologies, the battery part of your question slipped through the cracks. my point stands - biomass burners kick on if the grid is overloaded

[lost cloak]

thats the batteries job though.

If there is power surges, the battery should take care of it. But if i can make the bio plant only run when battery is below for example 20% then yea thats a great setup

[wise junco]

your only option is to separate the biomass plant via priority power switch you could kick on remotely. i usually do the same with the battery arrays

typically by the time you have batteries, biomass burners are all but obsolete

[jagged nymph]

i think you said that backwards

[lost cloak]

they are still surprisingly good, mainly because of how much power you can get out of a given volume of space. They are also very cheap

you can blueprint it, and spit up a skyskraper that packs a real punch

[jagged nymph]

i should setup a massive battery bank

[mellow pewter]

I swear, Aluminum is trying to filter me out this playthough for some reason...

[lost cloak]

ok hold up, so it cant read the power level of the battery

[wise junco]

no - you'd have to flip the power priority switch on your own

[lost cloak]

oh but whats with the priority switch then

[wise junco]

you can access it from anywhere on the map with power available

[lost cloak]

ah

[naive tartan]

They really need to add Conveyer Walls that only have a single hole, but it's offset to 1 side, similar to how the 2-hole Conveyer Wall is off to the side. There are Conveyer Wall Holes in the Logistics tab, but it's just a black texture, you can't see through them 🙁

[lost cloak]

a bit counter intuitive that "on" means off. but i see how it works

[cold berry]

So what "is" a blender. If it's not in phase 1-3 I don't believe it exists yet

[naive tartan]

blenders are the most fun buildings imo

[jagged nymph]

phase 4 building

2 fluid inputs, 2 solid inputs

yay!!! my new blueprint needs 26000 wire!!

[naive tartan]

what you blueprinting?

[jagged nymph]

256 batteries

[naive tartan]

lowkey wish they would buff the fuck outta batteries on drones, too easy to just use rocket fuel for drones lol, have to force myself now to make battery factories for the rp 🤣

the blender battery recipe is fun

[twilit basin]

weird question. I got a full industrial storage container with a mk5 belt coming out of it but the conveyor throuput monitor only reads 300. this a bug?

[wise junco]

where is it heading to? are the machines/destinations only using 300 total?

[twilit basin]

no its going into a merger with a mk5 on the other side reaing 480

[cold berry]

Dumb question; is there a phase 5? Like, is there a final challenge

I don't want it to end right when I get ||teleport||

[naive tartan]

That's why you make a mass weapons factory

[wise junco]

are numerous belts going into the merger?

[jagged nymph]

is there a limit to the amount of power connections in one bp??

[twilit basin]

yeah I switched the container to mk4 and there is a Mk1 and Mk2 going into the merger

[wise junco]

if you put conveyor monitors on all sides, what are your total inputs and outputs?

[jagged nymph]

everytime i save the blueprint and load it some of the power ocnnections dissapear

[bitter dust]

i just rewatched the 1.0 trailer. its such a goodie lol

[twilit basin]

Mk4 reads 304, Mk2 is 116 and mk 1 is 59, THE OUTPUT IS A mK5 READING 480

[wise junco]

so your inputs = your outputs... so is the 480 going into a storage container?

and the mk5 comes out the other side of the container?

if you feel like you are belt limited then maybe there's a short section of belt on the output that is a mk4

[twilit basin]

I think I found it, was a different MK4 lift going through the floor

[wise junco]

😎

[twilit basin]

5 on the bottom of the fllor hole and 4 on top

[wise junco]

that'll do it

[twilit basin]

fudge

Thank you @wise junco

[wise junco]

no problem!!

[supple canopy]

anyone else noticed the wiki (gg version) is randomly super slow?

[feral vector]

can you remove something from your dimensional depot list?

[wise junco]

as far as i know, no

[feral vector]

bummer. thanks

[wise junco]

i know. once you accidentally put something in there, it's in the list forever 🤣

[feral vector]

I don't want rebar in there lol that gun sucks

and I play controller so long lists are a hassle

[wise junco]

explosive rebar is sweet tho

[leaden turret]

known issue 🤷‍♂️

[supple canopy]

yea I wish we could remove stuff, the alternative would be to pin everything else so what you don't want remains at the bottom... But then your like top 5 won't necessarily be at the top

[wise junco]

i so agree

i usually pin the stuff i grab frequently so i don't look at the list lol

[karmic crow]

I didn’t realize how much wood and leaves those red bamboo trees give it’s insane

[feral vector]

I don't think I've even seen one of those trees heh

hmm... am I just being an idiot or are blueprints of foundations kind of finnicky when you're snapping them together? like they will snap a little off center, but normal foundations snap really strictly aligned with other foundations

[jagged nymph]

try changing the build mode to "blueprint"

instead of default

[feral vector]

I'll try ty

any suggestion on how tall to make a logistics floor?

[jagged nymph]

likeee 12 meters or so

[lost cloak]

isnt there a glass window with no top and bottom border? could've sworn ive seen it

[feral vector]

I'm making a second floor for my main factory rn but I'm gonna have an empty one in between

[jagged nymph]

yes there is

[lost cloak]

i cant even find it on the wiki

[jagged nymph]

i think its called frame window or smth like that

[lost cloak]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Walls#Windows

[feral vector]

that seems kinda high but ok thanks, better to have extra room than not enough I suppose, not like I'm ever gonna hit the height limit

[wise junco]

tbh, the complexity of the build matters too. for really simple ones i'll do 4m, but it's a tight tight fit

[jagged nymph]

i dont do logistics floors

[lost cloak]

i love hiding belts on its own tight floor

looks so clean

[jagged nymph]

i love to see the belts

[feral vector]

just slapping stuff together for phase 3 parts doubt it's too crazy

[lost cloak]

i hate belts

belt lift arrays can look sick

[feral vector]

sure if you know how to manage them properly. i have zero foresight and always make spaghetti lol

[jagged nymph]

lowk my entire factory has belts everywhere (still organized but just everywhere)

[lost cloak]

but belts just dont look good imo

[jagged nymph]

you can easily make them look good

[lost cloak]

nah. You can make it look neat, never good. Its still a belt

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message

[feral vector]

this behaves the same. am I just being an idiot? if I build a foundation by itself in zoop mode, as soon as I get close to the edge of an existing foundation it snaps perfectly. when I try to use blueprints I can barely get it to place, I'm gonna have to go below to do it or something wtf

[jagged nymph]

this is what i did, and people can do way better than that

[jagged nymph]

hmm blueprint mode should work

or maybe im thinking of it backwards, maybe you need default mode

[lost cloak]

proves my point really. It looks neat, but its very busy. I think it'd look better with lifts coming out of the ground, in place of every belt

[feral vector]

it aligns but it can snap to like 7 different points on a foundation and it's so much harder to make it snap

[jagged nymph]

i just love to see the belts, its makes the factory feel like a factory instead of just some magic black boxes

[feral vector]

when you are placing a single foundation it hard snaps to the world grid or something I can't place them off center if I try

[karmic crow]

The cats in this game are more scary than the spiders

[feral vector]

ok the snapping is working a lot better when there are two edges to snap to

I see the issue, it snaps to other blueprints, the first one I put down was trying to snap to foundation I placed manually

I was right I was being a moron, I knew it 😛

[feral vector]

no shot those are scarier than the spooders

[willow pond]

new phobia unlocked 🤣

[unkempt blade]

Cats are furry little murder machines. Mine is viciously attacking my sock right now

[feral vector]

and what would you be doing if there was a spider the same size attacking your sock right now

[unkempt blade]

is it adorable?

[feral vector]

as adorable as the spiders in this game?

[unkempt blade]

That's fine then. Ingame spiders are just upset they have the wrong number of legs

[feral vector]

ok well I guess my logistics floor is gonna be 8m tall I'm not redoing this huge floor

[feral vector]

can hardly blame them fair enough

[marble fractal]

How many do in game have

[unkempt blade]

at least 4

[marble fractal]

8 is at least 4

[unkempt blade]

yeah I think this is more like 4-6 though depending on what you consider the arms they hold up

[marble fractal]

Ok

[feral vector]

I didn't realize how huge my base was until I had to make a roof for it twice in a row what the hell

I think the two impure limestone nodes I've been using for the whole game aren't gonna cut it anymore

[unkempt blade]

@mortal ginkgo I think we need your great wisdom

[feral vector]

lmfao

[wise junco]

i agree. summon him

[unkempt blade]

don't worry, the expert will be here to tell you where to find more

[jagged nymph]

bro.... im using 9 pure ones....

[feral vector]

well they do have mk2 miners on them so it's kind of a lot of concrete

and no power shards lol

[jagged nymph]

mine are mk2 with 200 percent clock speed, a total of 4320 limestone

[ornate saffron]

I held off until aluminum then use the water by product for wet conctrete 10/10 do suggest

[jagged nymph]

its 1440 concrete

[feral vector]

I mean there are nodes nearby I've just always had 2 big containers full and sinked the rest

[ornate saffron]

even after making 600/min im still running out. So I finally upped my depot upload and assigned 4 depots to it

[feral vector]

jesus lol

[jagged nymph]

im gonna have probably like 10 concrete dee pots

[feral vector]

the stuff I'm making is big to me but this game gets ridiculous

it took me all night last night to get a set of like 8 refineries and 16 fuel gens hooked up, with half finished buildings for both

[wise junco]

oh yeah it only gets better lmao

[jagged nymph]

yeah some people do craaaazzyyyyyy stuff

[feral vector]

and then today I realize it was a shitty idea in the first place, I don't want 8 refineries per block, I want 5 I think

[jagged nymph]

as you play youll get much better and faster at stuff like that, especially when you start making some good bps

[hard wolf]

is there a good, recent alternate recipe tier list?

[jagged nymph]

all recipes are good

no alts are better or worse than others

they are all situational

[unkempt blade]

Cast screws is the best recipe tied with all the other ones

[feral vector]

yeah I'm still so new that I don't even know what I'd use blueprints for, except for real obvious stuff like an 8x constructor block with manifolds or stacking a few generators or refineries side by side

[jagged nymph]

yeah those are the main time saving ones

[feral vector]

if I had to zoop these two floors it would have been awful thanks for the help btw the 5x5 foundatin blueprint was great

[jagged nymph]

how big is your c urrent biggest factory

[ornate saffron]

most recipes just need context. pick the ones you think youll use

[cobalt pumice]

Iron wire

[feral vector]

I think my base is like 250 x 200 or something stupid we'll see if I need this much space for two phase 3 parts

[jagged nymph]

250 foundations???

[feral vector]

ya lol

[jagged nymph]

geez

[ornate saffron]

on my 2025 save i did 10/min of all phase parts I didnt like that

[feral vector]

I'll get a pic

[jagged nymph]

and i though my 50x50 foundations was big...

although im gonna be stacking it many floors high

[supple canopy]

if you want to have a good time playing ban all recipe tier list yt vid you see. I have 2200 hours now and watching those kind of vids actually held me off so much of the game early on

[feral vector]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1fekus9/alternate_recipe_ranking_10_optimizing_for/

[jagged nymph]

thats bad advice though

[feral vector]

not recent but it's from 1.0, but grain of salt you can't really rank them like this

[jagged nymph]

thats a completely subjective tierlist

[hard wolf]

so stockpile scanned drives and get what helps until late game so I can actually decide what to use in larger production lines

[feral vector]

do you have a better list? saying they are all good isn't helpful

[jagged nymph]

you could make your own tierlist thats completely backwards form that one, and it would still be completely valid

[feral vector]

sorry that sounds rude I don't mean to be an ass

[supple canopy]

I fucking hate this reddit post

[jagged nymph]

becasue they are all good, take what you want thats good in the situation you need

[jagged nymph]

nah scan them immediately, theres more than enough to unlock all alts

[ornate saffron]

there is more hard-drives in the game then recipes. just learn as you go. if you need more go find more ^_^

[hard wolf]

@jagged nymph that's what I said lol

[cobalt pumice]

Anything to avoid using screws

[feral vector]

oh come on you know some of them are good like solid steel ingots or heavy encased frame or uhhh the ones that combo to make fuel really efficient or rubber/plastic recycling

some are just strong as hell 😛

[jagged nymph]

mb i read it as "should i stockpile drives and scan them lategame when i can decide what to use in larger production lines"

[feral vector]

I would stockpile them unless you need them in a production line

[supple canopy]

man all the F-tier have like godlike recipes. Instant scrap pure copper leeched copper dark matter crystal F-tier ? lol fuck this it has 3.3k upvotes

[hard wolf]

is there any way to add skipped recipes back into the pool? I think I might've rescanned on wet concrete 😔

[feral vector]

if you hoard them you need half as many hard drives to get the stuff you want

[bleak valley]

If they aren’t currently on a drive in your menu they’re in the pool

[unkempt blade]

Biocoal is clearly S tier

[cobalt pumice]

Skipped recipes should be back in the pool

[jagged nymph]

dark matter crystallization in f is wild

[hard wolf]

I've heard that skipped recipes don't go back into the pool but that could be old info

[feral vector]

anything that isn't in your library is in the drop pool

[jagged nymph]

thats wrong

theres no way to lock yourself out of a recipe

[feral vector]

hoarding "Bad" hard drives thins your pool and helps you get OP stuff, hoarding is always good unless you're going to use the alt recipe right away

[jagged nymph]

you can always get all the recipes

[unkempt blade]

Always pick immediately and flip a coin if you can’t decide

[river oxide]

just reached stage 3 and i got no clue where to start

[cold berry]

I've got up to heavy modular frames done

I haven't unlocked a single hard drive recipe yet aside from the MAM ones in sulfur

Fear me

[supple canopy]

also if this is your first playthrough, you'll never use more than 20% of a single ressource available on the map, so if you happen on an alt recipe you find better but already have functionning production of that item, you don't have to dismantle everything you're not missing out

[feral vector]

why would you ever take one unless you're going to use it in a production line, thinning the drop pool is great

[jagged nymph]

yeah thats what i do, except if i cant decide i dont flip a coin i jsut choose whichever one uses more screws

[jagged nymph]

making more factories

[river oxide]

how about the plastics sulfur

[bleak valley]

I just pick one unless it’s something I really don’t want like charcoal then I leave it

[unkempt blade]

It was fated. The coin wants me to use it

[feral vector]

lol fair sounds like a fun way to play

[supple canopy]

commit to whatever, everytime I struggle on a project I start hooking up new iron ingots production that I'll need

[hard wolf]

I got crystal computers today and cheap silica is sounding really nice 👀

thanks for the advice

[jagged nymph]

if they removed everything from the game what would yall make

[bleak valley]

Screws

[cobalt pumice]

F off

[cold berry]

Currently in the process of adding another floor to my heavy modular frame factory for ONLY freaking screws

Lol fucking screws

[jagged nymph]

thats the best floor in the factory

[feral vector]

what do you guys think about +6 inventory hard drive

[jagged nymph]

pretty nice, unless you use a +500 slots mod

[dense violet]

inventory is always nice?

[feral vector]

I think if I got it early I'd have taken it but later on it's kinda meh hmmm

it's just rotting in my library rn lol

[dense violet]

it's always good, you want a lot of different types of items in your inventory

there's enough hard drives for all recipes and inventory upgrades. Just pick things

hells, there's MORE than enough hdds for all of it

you can leave some on the map

[feral vector]

#design-and-architecture message

[spiral summit]

instant alum scrap not in s tier, immediately invalidated

[feral vector]

I'm not even done phase 3 I have no idea 😛

[dense violet]

this is a terrible tier list

[feral vector]

I'm still waiting for someone to post a better one

[dense violet]

they cant, because they are all terrible

they miss out on 90% of the ways the recipes are powerful or useful

[feral vector]

I gave the warning that it was to be taken with a grain of salt lol

[dense violet]

and they lock people's brains out of options

[feral vector]

it actually has a really good section at the bottom about good combos to use

that's probably the most value from the post

[dense violet]

doesn't matter - the comboes go up and down dozens of processes, so just going 'these 2 are ok' together isn't useful
it also doesn't know the locations youre in
or what other items you're building next to them

all tier lists basically just lock you into one way of thinking.

[elfin smelt]

there's a reason they are called alt recipes instead of improved recipes

[dense violet]

you have to basically create your own tier of recipes everytime you decide to build any particular parts in any particular location

or pick randomly and don't care I guess. That's also an option

[feral vector]

kinda hard when you don't know anything about the game yet

[dense violet]

all the info of the recipes are right there.

[feral vector]

I got some good tips on alt recipes from youtube videos and the comments and stuff

[dense violet]

alright good luck with it

[feral vector]

bro I barely understand how to be effective with the default recipes

I can read what they do but that's different than understanding the applicatios

[dense violet]

and what I'm trying ot say, is there's no base effectiveness to any of it

[mortal ginkgo]

Do you know what is better than two impure limestone nodes?

THREE! Tap away!

[dense violet]

and that doesn't seem to be getting through

[elfin smelt]

we are not judging you

we are judging how tier listing alt recipes is bad

[dense violet]

there is no meta in this game. That's why tier lists just lock your brain out of finding good recipes for your situation

[spiral summit]

thank you

the heat infused frame recipe is garbage imo

[dense violet]

going by tier lists is barely an impromement on rolling a dice to choose what recipes you use

[crude canyon]

the humble solid steel

[feral vector]

stuff like solid steel is great early/mid. heavy encased frame is just better than the original recipe in power and input/output efficiency. heavy oil residue and packaged fuel is an insane combo

[spiral summit]

well its not bad

nah it is

[elfin smelt]

it's as simples is deciding what you value, power, space, number of inputs, number os machines, the location

[feral vector]

the recycled rubber and plastic loops are sick too. lots of strong alts from what I can tell

[dense violet]

that's not tiers though. That's just pointing 2 step combos

[elfin smelt]

and chossing acordingly

[dense violet]

things like SFtools is really good to test out your systems too , because you can swap recipes in and out in like 2 seconds and see the difference

[feral vector]

idk I'm not making a tier list but I'm glad someone told me to look for solid steel ingots early and if I find heavy encased frame I'll be happy af

[feral vector]

I did this and immediately realized heavy encased frame is bonkers lol, I almost want to hunt for it before I make a factory for the phase 3 parts

I've been hoarding so many hard drives but I'm definitely gonna unlock some alts before I make my two next factories. I can do steel rotors and stitched iron plate to get rid of screws, or I can use cast screws to save building like 20 extra constructors or something

[wise junco]

ok - i feel like copper powder is unnecessarily punitive

[feral vector]

... you really can't use explosives on these little mining nodes that block the miners? rip

[wise junco]

you should be able to

[feral vector]

hmm I just tried and no luck

[dense violet]

there's some things on mines you have to hand mine

splosives only remove cracked boulders

[feral vector]

ok good to know

[spiral summit]

this guy put oc supercomputer in b tier that is atrocious

[feral vector]

I legit have no idea lol

[spiral summit]

its cause i believe its ranked by everything

[feral vector]

yeah they way they ranked it was like... impact overall on reducing costs of delivering stuff to the space elevator

[spiral summit]

so it would unfairly rank something higher due to slightly less power usage

[feral vector]

which completely misses stuff like iron pipe sounding great when you just want some pipes and dont care about being efficient

oh no I'm gonna run out of iron nodes lol

I hope I don't sound like I think that's a great tier list, I don't even have the knowledge to judge 😛

[spiral summit]

instant scrap in f tier? despite it having the best aluminium yield of any recipe?

someone needs to make a better list

what the fuck fertile uranium in f tier??

the recipe that triples your plutonium production?

it gets worse the more you look at it

[feral vector]

that doesn't sound great

[plush dawn]

small silly question
if i run satisfactory dedicated server locally
and i join with a computer with abysmal cpu but decent gpu
how will the experience be?

[jagged nymph]

Yeah that tierlist is fuxjing shut, and all the replies thanking them saying they helped alot is kindasad tbh

[jagged nymph]

Assuming the dedicated server is running a good pc it shouldn't be too terrible I dont think

[plush dawn]

i ask because create mod minecraft doing similar thing ran terrible

when i say abysmal i mean ABYSMAL

[spiral summit]

yet another reason not to trust a redditors opinion

[lavish flame]

hey so, if i have 8 smelters smelting 30 each but i need to take out some weird number like 97,49 or something how would i do that?

[dense violet]

either keep doing a manifold that will self balance
or create 2 sections of smelters clocked so 1 group does the 97 and the other does the rest

[dense violet]

clocking is the core management tool you have for the whole game

[lavish flame]

that makes sense, i was getting bored of making manifolds all the time you know

[dense violet]

I mean clocking 2 groups still makes the manifolds

unless you try to load balance the outputs I guess

[lavish flame]

yeah true

[cold berry]

Waiting for project assembly to finish up ayyye

Gonna work on other shit so I don't go insane

[robust wigeon]

can you still die from colliding with someone else in a hypertube

[sonic kayak]

Hey; haven't played Satisfactory since pre-1.0, and I really want to play again. Probably going to start up a brand new factory in a few months once I finish my current reading list. Any tips for when I should start? Like, I know 1.2 is in experimental right now, but idk if we have any info on when that's coming to stable branch or if it'll mess up any factories in some way if I start before it comes out; etc etc

Kinda feeling extra excited about starting up a factory again. Big life changes + free time changes since last time I played

[winter thunder]

Is there a way to automatically get plants for biomass to fuel biomass burners?

[plucky bone]

Wow. I'm burning more than one train car of coal per round he does.

[robust wigeon]

No, that is explicitly not possible to automate 👍

[dense violet]

1.2 isn't really changing much unless you're really planning a ton of trucks

so just start

[sonic kayak]

solid

[leaden turret]

biggest change is how vehicle pathing works. some of your autopilot shenanigans may no longer be shenaniganery

[sonic kayak]

Well, starting a new factory anyway, so I suppose I'll wait for 1.2 to actually release in full so that I can make vehicles vehicle to my heart's content

[dense violet]

eh if you want, the milestones are more of a tutorial until you make a sandbox. Can just make trucks after 1.2 goes live

[sonic kayak]

yeah, that's true too

[leaden turret]

to clarify:

• 1.2 vehicle paths are placed like train tracks

• pre-1.2 vehicle paths will be converted to 1.2 vehicle paths but not be editable

• 1.2 vehicle paths don't do abrupt changes in verticality, so no more autopiloting over cliff edges / doing jumps etc.

[dense violet]

WHAT!? no more jump pad trucks?!
flips desk

[leaden turret]

invalid path, cannot flip desk

[dense violet]

that was the best thing about trucks

[cold berry]

My only regret going to 1.2 is the loss of carrograph. Base buildings on map

[jagged nymph]

lowk should i get kerbal space program

[dense violet]

eh you can see that on SCIM

[cold berry]

But having it in game is so nice

[dense violet]

you can, just att tab to it

[cold berry]

SCIM?

[dense violet]

satisfactory calculator

interactive map

[cold berry]

Oh yeah, the app thing. You can't live sync it tho

I liked just being able to see the scale of my factory by just pressing M

[dense violet]

yeah but having live additions to buildings on the map ... isn't really useful

[cold berry]

And my new thing is huge

It's fun tho

Don't misunderstand, the mod didn't accomplish anything. It's just fun to see like, all of your train lines and the trains going along them

Or to see all the roads you made for your trucks on the map and it helps you visualize where they're going

[jagged nymph]

But i like being able to open my map and see how ive ruined the nature

[noble ice]

If I start a new world with all alternative recipes unlocked - 1. Does that disable achievements and 2. whats in the drop pods if no new recipes?

[minor vale]

I have a bad habbit of jumping to my death because I keep forgetting I don't have a jetpack in this save.

[rain wedge]

idk how but if u slide n fall or fall then slide (vice versa) u will take less dmg

[minor vale]

that doesn't really help save you from a 100 or so meter fall

[warm finch]

for 1.2, are the node placements also randomized (if selected)? or is it only the purity that is randomized?

[minor vale]

The placement of nodes themselves isn't random.
they don't move

but what type of node it is, will change randomly based on your settings.

[marble fractal]

This game would be so much better with procedural map generation

I hate that there is limited amounts of everything

[dense violet]

AGS disables it, drop pods will basically do nothing

[west jackal]

i agree, but i think it would be hard to balance a lot of things, like i think balancing the ammount of resources you get is part of the challenge

not that it wouldnt be cool, but i do think that was a distinct decision CSS made

[marble fractal]

Yea but when I accidentally throw slugs and somer sloops out of the map there is no going back other than going back a save

[west jackal]

you can spawn those in with scim

[jagged nymph]

then just dont throw em out the map lol you cant really do that accidentaly

[west jackal]

slugs are irrelevant, but the sloops is a bigger F

wayyyy less sloops than slugs

[marble fractal]

And mercer spheres

[jagged nymph]

but anyway just block pepsi and ignore him, hes a troll

[west jackal]

sloops still more important 🤷‍♂️

[marble fractal]

Nah

[minor vale]

Every element of the map is designed with some level of strategy involved from the devs.
Coal being found often near water, or some soruce of Iron.
Sam behind hard to find routes because it's rare, or uranium at the very least being far away from starting areas.

Simply put the game is literally not designed in a way that would facilitate procedural generation.
you can't exactly just scale production in the same way you do factorio and the games goals don't even really match the need of that kind of generation.

Factorio procedgually generates because you need to deplete stocks of resources, and then grow outward as you just continue to add layer of layer of production.

Satisfactory is more about
well ngl half the game is aesthetic, but with limited production quotas and stuff, having a map generate like that would be kind of pointless.

[marble fractal]

Mercer spheres make teleportation

[jagged nymph]

yeah with unlimited nodes, the need for procedural generation is nonexistent, and it makes the map feel so much more alive being handcrafted

[marble fractal]

I would be fine with that as long as u could craft slugs, mercer spheres, and somer sloops

Maybe even alive slugs that you could breed

[minor vale]

you can craft power shards
And the other two resoruces are kept limited intentionally.

[jagged nymph]

not how the games designed, and you can infact make power shard

[rose lintel]

Pretty sure I know the answer but want to confirm. If you run a manifold line if one line is full the splitter stops putting material in that line and the load is split 50/50 among the other 2 instead of into thirds?

[marble fractal]

What’s a power shard

[minor vale]

aight

[dense violet]

define compact

[jagged nymph]

just block and ignore him, hes been trolling since he joined

[minor vale]

cool
so does any one know a conveient crash site spot to get circuit boards near the dune desert?

[sonic kayak]

oh, cool, they were right

[jagged nymph]

oh trust me hes been doing worse than that all day

[marble fractal]

Pretty dumb tho that if u accidentally drop one of the map u can’t get it back tho

[dense violet]

probably, a lot of people try to be compact

[sonic kayak]

just don't drop them out of the map then maybe

consequences for your actions

[marble fractal]

Bro what

[dense violet]

that's still not a very well defined status though

[jagged nymph]

you can though lol, first its almost impossible to "accidentaly " drop it off the map, but if you do you can jump down there and grab it, or spawn one back in with scim

and if you do drop one off thats completely on you

[minor vale]

I don't wanna wait for oil to sloop my slugs and protien

[marble fractal]

Jumping into fog?

What is scim

[west jackal]

go collect some computers from crash sites ❤️

[minor vale]

you mean like how I just asked if any one knew where to find them?

because i've been scouring a few sites and haven't found any.

[marble fractal]

Yea just give up bro

[jagged nymph]

!wikisearch crash site

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=crash+site

[west jackal]

oh. i dont know which sites, but i got them in the dune desert area ish?

i didnt leave the dune desert adjacent regions for a while

[minor vale]

yea I tried using the wiki
unfortunately the coordinates on that page are kind of.. uesless??
you press the M button in game, and coordinates kinda range within a couple thousand positive or negative
And the wiki is giving me numbers in the hundreds of thousand.
303,169/-246,169 is not a number on the map.
even if I assume the , is a typo for . it does not match.
And it contains no map image to reference their location either.

[jagged nymph]

bro 😭

its x, y

303,169 doesnt mean 303 thousand +169 it means 303 x, 169 y or maybe the other way around idk

i think the / is because theres like 2 different coordinate systems or smth

idk which one shows up on the map

i think the first one (left of the slash) is the right one

[west jackal]

the coordinates are the same its just times 100

so 303,169 is really 3032

[jagged nymph]

wait what am i just completely wrong then

[minor vale]

I loaded up the game again to prove a point and discovered this on my own and was about to mention it.

that's honestly just kind of over complicated and dumb.
Just use the in game cords
not satisfactory calculator's numbers.

[sonic kayak]

yea, it's because (also according to the wiki), the game itself measures the coordinates in centimeters

[west jackal]

it would seem like the game is meters but the map is cm?

since the map is 100x the size of the game? i dont know though

im american so im allowed to be stupid about SI conversions (even though i use them all the time for school ;P)

[sonic kayak]

I think it's just a failing of the wiki tbh. For whatever reason the wiki isn't consistent about whether it describes the coordinates in meters (like it displays in-game, iirc), or in centimeters, like it's actually measured internally by the game

[minor vale]

if I were to guess
The reason the Wiki lists the Crash site coordinates in CM, is because the satisfactory calculator interactive map does this.
And whoever made/last edited this page used it as a source and didn't decide to convert it to match what you'd read in game.

[sonic kayak]

seems likely. I don't like to use the calculator, so...I didn't know that the calculator does that

odd

[west jackal]

it is certainly weird/odd

[unkempt blade]

I agree, the only tool I need for planning is a beautiful mind wall

[jagged nymph]

im editing it rn, ive never edited a wiki before so idk if it has to be like approved or smth

[sonic kayak]

I like my notepads :P

My actual real-life engineering brain likes it, and then plus I get to use the extra-expensive pdf markup tools I get from work for planning purposes

[minor vale]

I only use the site for the map.
Because I can't always be bothered to search for crash sites the normal way at this point.

And I also like to look at my builds in the map view.

otherwise I do it all ingame.

[unkempt blade]

see I'd just print them out and mark them up with crayons and tape it up on the wall

[sonic kayak]

haha, yeah, that's fun too

[unkempt blade]

but now the problem is I can't get Claude to read from my wall so I have to give it tickets to work from

[feral vector]

yall think I should use stitched iron plate and steel rotors for modular engines or just cast screws 🤔

[sonic kayak]

do not the generative AI 😭

[feral vector]

been hoarding hard drives in library

[knotty bear]

22/44 achivements! Let's go!

[unkempt blade]

it's not so bad, it's just another disembodied voice for ADA to chat with

[knotty bear]

Still doing phase 3, the effort of getting the Control Unit thingy up is annoying.

[feral vector]

yeah I'm done all the milestones but setting up factories for modular engine and adaptive control unit is a bit harder than previous parts

I'm just indecicive idk which alt recipes to use

24.5 constructors for iron rods is wild

[sonic kayak]

Just feels like the lazy solution to me; same as the SCIM. Part of why I play Satisfactory is to have a game where I can also still use my brain while having fun.

I guess you do you though (although that's to say nothing of the ethical/environmental problems I have with AI that don't need to be rehashed here)

[rain wedge]

thats why cute lil slugs exist 🙂

[unkempt blade]

If you can't decide then you just have to stick to vanilla instead. You're in the alt recipe penalty box

[feral vector]

there's no way I'm not at least using cast screws 😛

but I can skip screws altogether with the combo of the other ones

[west jackal]

not usually worth it

[feral vector]

I keep seeing how coal is real important but I'm not even using all the coal I have around here

[jagged nymph]

alright i fixed the crash site wiki coords so they appear like they do on the map (im pretty sure i did it correctly anyway)

[west jackal]

gets way harder to come by later in the game

[feral vector]

alright I won't tie it up for these phase 3 parts, cast screws it is, thanks

[west jackal]

well

you can play however you want? you can always redo factories later to free up the coal

[unkempt blade]

I just like the goofy contrast of crayon markup and LLMs. It feels artistically interesting

[feral vector]

I'm sure either way is fine

maybe I should start scaling up more? I could make 10/min and 2/min instead of 5 and 1

[unkempt blade]

only forward! no redos only new factories!

[feral vector]

then I don't have to wait an hour and 40 mins for the project parts but... I have so much exploring and train track building to do I don't mind waiting 😛

[feral vector]

I'm trying to do this strategy

I cleaned up my main factory but mostly just getting storage organized and using sinks

[west jackal]

just sloop

lol

hand fed spelevator ftw

[feral vector]

hmm good point I already have a slooped manufacturer

[merry rapids]

good morning!

[west jackal]

just kidding! bad >:D

[feral vector]

slooped and overclocked manufacturer was like... more power drain than my whole factory

[unkempt blade]

good morning [, technically]!

[west jackal]

lol! you should always do 250% on whatever you sloop

like in example, if you have 3 manufacturers running at 100%, and you want to maximize the output, do 1 at 250% slooped, and the other at 50%

[feral vector]

I only did 200% and it still ran me out of screws almost immediately

[west jackal]

uses same resources, but now you get the most output

[feral vector]

good to know

[west jackal]

well, you have to balance the input based on your previous production steps

unless youre handfeeding

[minor vale]

I don't bother overclocking any thing that isn't a miner

..or occasional manufacterer recipies with odd ratios that are fixed by over/underclocking.

[feral vector]

it was for a new part, I have nowhere near enough screw production for heavy modular frames

[jagged nymph]

i only overclock to make good ratios outside of miners too, theres plenty of space on the map

[feral vector]

I'll figure out a way to siphon some screws off when I make these factories for the phase 3 parts maybe

[west jackal]

oof, sounds like new factory is in order 🙂

[feral vector]

gotta automate computers and heavy modular frames too

[west jackal]

id recommend automating hmf and computer before you even start the elevator parst

[feral vector]

#design-and-architecture message working on it

[west jackal]

(as well as plastic/rubber and quickwire)

[feral vector]

I've had two large storage containers full of quickwire for like 20 hours lmao

[minor vale]

Large production lines give me an oppertunity to Try making cool looking buildings.
not always successful but hey i'm getting better at it.
#design-and-architecture message

[feral vector]

I just sink tons of them

[west jackal]

yes, but when you start needing it, it tends to go quick

[feral vector]

I could double production if I overclock the miner

more worried about HMF and computers

the base HMF recipe is so ass I was gonna set up the phase 3 parts then go get hard drives while they build

[west jackal]

id recommend untill you have excess shards to only overclock miners/extractors

[feral vector]

I've just hand fed few hundred computers and HMF

[west jackal]

almost all of the miners in my starter area are still mk1 @250% LOL

[feral vector]

I don't even know what I'd use all my shards for

[west jackal]

that is.. a way to play

[feral vector]

I mean I was busy setting up fuel gens and stuff so I just filed storage containers while I was working on it

[west jackal]

well to put it in perspective, for just the BURNING of ONE of my fuel plants, i need over 3k shards

[feral vector]

didn't like actually hand feed the machine just the containers

[west jackal]

this is for only 600GW of power, I havent calculated how many shards for the 1.4TW plant

[feral vector]

isn't 600gw of power like... more than enough to finish the game

[west jackal]

nah

[feral vector]

really jesus lol

so you shard the power producing buildings?

[west jackal]

600 GW is barely enough to power my big boy power plant 😎

[west jackal]

its just to save space, you dont need to

[minor vale]

it is if you don't build mega factories.

[west jackal]

hey. dont dis it

[rigid glen]

I'm pretty sure I finished my game on 35-40GW, i had coal and basic fuel plants only

[west jackal]

wow

even before i started building mega factories (back before U8) my STARTER fuel plant was usually 60GW

thats just 1800 crude using diluted fuel

[feral vector]

how do you even use that much power, must be making like 5x as many parts per min as me when you do parts for the elevator

[jagged nymph]

im gonna be making 300gw of rocket fuel power

[minor vale]

I can't wait for 1.2 to drop and I will get to out do my last save.

in which I made a 9.6GW compact coal power plant.
I never did quite finish the Fuel plant on that save though, had issues with piping.

[blissful snow]

When I finished the game I had 40000MW lol

[jagged nymph]

i think the most someones ever made is around 7tw (7000gw(7000000mw))

[west jackal]

im doing a little over double that, but i decided to push for 2TW

[west jackal]

i dont think this is possible

[jagged nymph]

someones done it

(thats including the alien power augmenter)

[west jackal]

idk then, the max recyclable (with slooping trigs) from full chain nuclear is around 1.4tw i think?

thats what im shooting for, maybe if you dont worry about waste you can squeeze out more

[feral vector]

I'm on 7400mw lol

[blissful snow]

I was on a server with 4 other friends lol

[feral vector]

welp now I don't know if I should make HMF factory heh

[jagged nymph]

well you have to eventually

[feral vector]

ima check how many I have from making them out of these storage containers

[feral vector]

yeah was gonna try to hard drive hunt then reroll a few to get the alt recipe

[jagged nymph]

im so hungry

[feral vector]

I have like 330 maybe that will hold me over until I finish phase 3 stuff

[feral vector]

I'm the opposite I just had a huge smoothie and my stomach hurts

[west jackal]

330 GW?

[feral vector]

no 330 HMF

[west jackal]

lameeee

[feral vector]

7400 MW lol

[west jackal]

should be automated by now

im just teasing 🙂

[feral vector]

I can only do one thing at a time lol setting up my fuel gens took me forever I'm a newb 😭

[west jackal]

blueprints

blueprints are so nice, you yungins got it easy

between blueprints, zoop, and "straight" pipes/conveyors all yur factories best be looking good

[worn oar]

Crazy? I was crazy once.
They put me in a room.
A rubber room.
A rubber room filled with screws.
They put me in a rubber room with screws.
Screws? I hate screws.
They make me crazy.
Crazy? I was crazy once.
They put me in a room….

[feral vector]

I can't blueprint something if I have no idea how to set it up in the first place XD

learning how fluids work was fun

[restive sandal]

Hear me out.

Imagine an elevator in Satisfactory.

But bigger.

Giant industrial elevator you can put vehicles on comfortably

[minor vale]

The only thing in game truly worth min maxing, is power setups.

maximum power
Never hear the circuit breaker sound ever again

The rest can be done at a few per minute like who cares.

[feral vector]

if you're not building lots per minute what do you even need all that powe for

recycled rubber vs encased industrial pipe is a tricky hard drive choice hmmm

[west jackal]

first thing is a generator bp with a junction in front, section of pipe and connect the junction to the gen (and probably a power pole too) place it all on foundations save it and place it. then just place generators across from the junction and connect. now you have an overhead pipe to run to the end to prvnt dead end sloshing as well as the main line for your fuel. just feed the top line so that the fuel falls down to the bottom one while being pumped to the top and you wont have fuel issues

[minor vale]

so that I never have to hear that sound again :)

[west jackal]

i mean 2tw is a pretty good number

[feral vector]

I've been making rubber and plastic from the polymer byproducts for now

[west jackal]

when you decid to do recycle loop on plastic/rubber

[feral vector]

yeah taht seems nuts I only have the rubber one for now

[west jackal]

to squeeze out 4k rubber and 4k plastic from the north coast oil nodes

the plant is something like 400 or 500 refineries and like 90 blenders i think

[feral vector]

I'll set up something like that now that I have mk2 bp

first time setting up fuel gens I just did it manually so I can figure out what works, it seems fine, only fucked up cause I forgot to plug in the awesome sink that handles byproduct overflow

[west jackal]

mk2 blueprinter you can fit FOUR gens all hooked up with pipe

i can dm you picture if you want

[knotty bear]

Guys my train is perma red highlighted

[west jackal]

i @ you in the ss channel with it

[feral vector]

I'll try to figure it out myself, good way to learn

[west jackal]

okay fair enough

[feral vector]

I'll peek if I fuck something up lol

seems like I got a good setup going last night so I can just copy that if it fits

might have to squish them together a tiny bit

[reef basin]

Train or track?

[feral vector]

wonder how many refineries I can fit now

[jagged nymph]

hold dismantle tool and hover over it then stop hovering over it

[knotty bear]

It highlights itself again later

[jagged nymph]

wierd

[west jackal]

connecting them is the trick, lmk if you need help because you have to do it a special way 😛

[feral vector]

ok thanks I'll check it out if I can't figure it out

getting two or 4 to fit would make spamming them a lot easier

[west jackal]

i will say, mass placing 4 at a time, you will run through your supplies quick 🙂

[feral vector]

my supplies are usually pretty good, I'm so slow they have time to stockpile lol

rip I went to check on rubber and plastic supplies and I forgot belts on the storage containers so only one filled up

that's what I get for not setting up a train

[west jackal]

well. i recently fillled half of my starter RF plant, 216 generators, thats a lot of motors and rubber for DD to try and upload

[jagged nymph]

me when train

[feral vector]

216 for half is wild lol I have 20 rn

[west jackal]

thats because i dont have shards for OC yet

if i OC i need 90 for half

[feral vector]

I gotta figure out the numbers for doing modular stuff, I tried to make some actual decent buildings for my refineries and generators but I don't think doing groups of 8 refineries and 16 generators is particularly good

hmm slight underclocks to make that 7.5 and 15 and it's one mk2 pipe, and 8 and 16 are nice to split up maybe I'll keep it like that

[west jackal]

huh

oh.

i see. bad xSJx

[feral vector]

I'm trying to make "blocks" of stuff so I can repeat it

[west jackal]

youre doing direct fuel from crude

[feral vector]

and make buildings that fit them nicely and stuff

don't you need alt recipes to do some more efficient stuff?

[west jackal]

yeah and alt recipes are easy to get

just go explore 😛

[rigid glen]

Basic fuel recipe numbers: 300 oil into 5 refineries into 10 generators.

[feral vector]

but I need to set up automation before I explore lol

[west jackal]

gross!

[feral vector]

I've been parked here with all the milestones done for so long

[rigid glen]

LOL I know, it's not great, but it all starts somewhere

[west jackal]

you get 3x the effecieny of the standard ! i didnt realize it was that much

i just always use DPF early game and dont even think about it

[rigid glen]

Ya, diluted fuel is the king for early fuel gens I think

[west jackal]

well, nitro rocket is very nice.

but early game, yes

[feral vector]

hmm I think I have diluted packaged fuel

seemed like a lot of extra steps lol

[rigid glen]

the packaging is a pain, but it's worth for the comparative huge leap in total power generation

[west jackal]

its really not!

on a mk2 blueprint you can fit a whole system, you do 2 packagers and 2 refiners, this covers the entire process from crude to fuel

i recommend playing with the clocking and then you can get 30 crude to 80 fuel on each blueprint, then you slap a 4x gen bp behind it and connect them. BAM

now you just scale, since EVERY crude node at 250% is a factor of 30, you can just place this repeatedly for all of them, remember that you can have items inside machines in blueprints, so you dont need storage containers. just put 50 ish empty containers in the water packager and youre all set (just make sure that you remember to bring in water)

[rigid glen]

I've never put that much thought into this or any game, we are all different 🙂

[west jackal]

ofc this is just a suggestion, something that I did (with some ideas borrowed from others) but it makes life so much easier

[reef basin]

nah, it's basically equal to the diluted fuel, you can blueprint the packaging loop and basically use the blueprint as sort-of blender

[west jackal]

and with rocket fuel, you easily setup a blueprint (on mk2 its hard but doable) that takes 75 crude, 200 sulfur, 100 coal, and some water, that turns into 300 rocket fuel, which makes 18GW of power instead of 2.5GW that diluted fuel makes with the same ammount of crude

(this is for nitro rocket alt)

[reef basin]

but tons of other resources 🙂

[west jackal]

credit for this goes to beefalo though, i made it work with mk2, he showcases his design with a mk3 blueprinter. If youre doing rocket fuel, a generator clocked at 240% produces 600 MW and consumes 10 rf/min instead of the weird numbers

[reef basin]

crude is rarely the limiting resource

[west jackal]

i listed all the resources

and im very limited on crude atm

[reef basin]

there's so much on the map

[feral vector]

I'm nowhere near utilizing all the crude near my fuel gens lol

[west jackal]

i only have something like 2k/min crude left

[feral vector]

better to just do the easy way and have fuel power instead of coal