satisfactory

[abstract heron]

and u peeps jason and mikael did not NOT see my question about whats for DINNER RUDE

[real shale]

i think a special helmet would suffice more for doing it

[void gorge]

Breh we had 4600 ppl screaming down our ears at some point

[abstract heron]

and rude not having someone to raid too

[void gorge]

I swear you think I was grown in a lab

[abstract heron]

u peeps JUST ENDED and said nope

[void gorge]

Ye nah not raiding someone was the easiest choice of my life lmao I'm not blasting someone with 5000 names

[abstract heron]

also i hit 5,051hr TOTAL in my current after 1.0 world mikael

[void gorge]

This is actually

A really good idea

Hmm

[abstract heron]

and We need a thing on jason with the back up your save voice

[abstract heron]

IK its EARLY this year for ficmas but can ficmas get new things like stuff adding on to trains and vechiles for ficmas christmas stuff 😛

[abstract heron]

AND idk if i have not tested it yet but can we have a way to import people's seed into 1.2 worlds and ik its not the right place

[limpid cairn]

what reinforced plating recipe has the highest throughput?

[real shale]

Imagine completing the game on the hardest difficulty and you get a helmet that literally says "I completed Satisfactory on the hardest difficulty and all i got was this lousy helmet"

[obsidian iron]

Guys

Regular or cast screws

[void gorge]

How is this even a question

If you create non-cast screws

You deserve an asylum

[abstract heron]

mikael in 1.2 can u add a world adding feature

[fossil oyster]

I am doing the math right now. Double Resource Cost, 5x power and 100x Space Elevator parts. It's not really possible I don't think.

[abstract heron]

where the numbers bring the OWN seeds or try to like minecraft type

[limpid cairn]

ditch screws

[limpid cairn]

it is possible

[real shale]

i think it is possible it'll just take a LOT of time

[fossil oyster]

Like, 1 nuclear pasta/min (which is nothing) costs 3840 copper ore. Just for the copper powder.

[real shale]

thats still 1/min

[limpid cairn]

in 2-3 months im going to prove everyone wrong

[void gorge]

Think Gab did the computations, it should be possible

[abstract heron]

also pls add for ficmas

[fossil oyster]

That's 100,000 minutes

[real shale]

your problem isnt is it possible its, more "do i have the time to do this"

[void gorge]

@magic fractal

[fossil oyster]

It's 70 days of playtime of idling

[void gorge]

Doable?

[fossil oyster]

Yeah it's possible, but....doable?! :D

Now make all nodes impure for pure masochism

[abstract heron]

Will you add a Feature in 1,2 that adding people's seeds with the numbers? if people or content creators want to get THERE worlds but nothing built in them

[real shale]

I think the strat would be to repurpose nodes throughout

[limpid cairn]

only 1666h

[fossil oyster]

It's 100% possible, it's just going to take years I think, especially with x5 power costs

[abstract heron]

and yes ik its not EXP area to talk

[real shale]

5x power costs is nothing with rocket fuel and nuclear

[fossil oyster]

It definitely is not nothing because all resources are double costs

[uneven path]

It's definitely possible, infinite resources makes it defacto doable. But it would annoying as hell and realistically need to approach factory design differently

[abstract heron]

#satisfactory-experimental this is stable branch fyi

[real shale]

you can get 100 GW of rocket fuel power with just 800 oil

on 2x cresource cost

[fossil oyster]

My 2/min smart plating factory (which is practically nothing) costs 1000MW, lol

[real shale]

HOR + Diluted + Nitro rocket fuel, the only issue will be maybe sulphur

[fossil oyster]

Yeah Nitro Rocket Fuel is OP and mandatory. I would not recommend nuclear. Costs WAY too many resources

Is HOR+Diluted Fuel even good with double resources?

[real shale]

actually im realising 250% nuclear power plants wont be possible

[hard ivy]

Especially with double cost XD

[fossil oyster]

Needs 1200/min water

[real shale]

yeah

[ornate saffron]

really depends if you are will to loose out on the Sulfer and Nitrogen (I am ) but I understand not wanting to

[fossil oyster]

I'm talking double resources. Nuclear has SO many production steps. Rocket Fuel has like 2 or 3

[ornate saffron]

Oh i whole hearted agree. But some folks dont like the idea of lettign all that uranium on the map go to waste.

[real shale]

Nuclear doesnt? Its 2 production steps, cells, then fuel rods? and not to mention you can chain it from uranium to plutonium to ficsonium

[fossil oyster]

We are talking double resource costs

Every step costs 2x more than the previous

[abstract heron]

IF this is 1.2 STUFF PLEASE take it to #satisfactory-experimental

[ornate saffron]

I generally dont use much sulur at all so i am okay with using it

[real shale]

sloop

[fossil oyster]

x5 power, can't sloop

Or well, you can, but with x5 power slooping might cost more thna you can get out of it

[real shale]

you can if you dont overclock

[fossil oyster]

@void gorge , does energy cost double too with fuel generators/nuclear power plant? Like does it cost double the resources as well?

Because that would wholly suck

[real shale]

also theres a problem with fuel generators

you need more fuel per generator im realising

[abstract heron]

IF this is 1.2 STUFF PLEASE take it to #satisfactory-experimental

[real shale]

lmao

[fossil oyster]

Do you need double the fuel?

[real shale]

well its a resource, so i'd imagine the burn rates would double too

[fossil oyster]

Big F

[abstract heron]

i thought @unborn gyro was mikael

[green fiber]

guys please go to the other channel before Leo has a heart attack

[real shale]

Nuclear might honestly be stronger honestly

[abstract heron]

or i have my problems in my world 😛

[green fiber]

Neat little treat: the other channel allows images in chat

[abstract heron]

and i won't have a heart attack

@unborn gyro u missed jason and Mikael fighting?

[ornate saffron]

replace soda with vodka.

I{m in!

[abstract heron]

also whats no pepsi thing

does the office as CSS run on Pepsi or colca

[ornate saffron]

well....... cats are the definition of violence and we both love them

[knotty bear]

So uh, my power grid shut down, trying to start just my fuel generators, what do I need to start:
3x oil extractor, 6x refinery I believe, and I don't think fuel generators have a startup cst

[dense violet]

disconnect them from your factory system - hite the breaker again

they stop burning fuel when shut down happens so you shoudl be able to just kick them back up

[knotty bear]

They're disconnected from everything other than what makes them fuel (through residual fuel from rubber)

and extracts oil, they're meant to be somewhat contained.

[dense violet]

boot it back up then

[rough shore]

use priority power switch or whatever its called

[knotty bear]

Already tried a few times.

I don't have that unlocked yet, I was going to automate it soon.

[dense violet]

sounds like you've still got a line out to a factory

[knotty bear]

For the high speed connectors

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533

with images of your set up and power graph

[knotty bear]

Hold up, I can probably just revive it with tons of biomass burners to at least kickstart it and see if that works.

Or if I have the inverse of a packager I can unpackage my massive amounts of fuel.

[dense violet]

check your fuel gens, are they really empty?

[knotty bear]

Yep

[dense violet]

that's not normal.

unless maybe you had your fuel producers shut down before the rest of the system if they are on a dif grid?

[knotty bear]

1 refinery making rubber and then using residual heavy oil to turn that into fuel should have made a positive power, yes?
Each oil extractor only fed one of this setup though I'm sure they could've fed 2 and I was planning to do that.
I barely have a grid system yet, really nothing is on a grid yet.

[dense violet]

are you sinking the excess rubber?

[knotty bear]

The rubber goes onto a line back to my base

[dense violet]

is the end product eventually sunk?

because I'm betting it's not

[void cliff]

finally read the patch notes and it looks like i have to make a new game in experimental 🙂

[dense violet]

and that the rubber backed up and then no more HOR then no more fuel then no more power

[knotty bear]

Oh, uh. Yeah, it isn't, I think the fuel generators stopped because the rubber had nowhere to go :/

[dense violet]

theeerrre we go
yeah any time there's a by product with a power system you need an overflow sink

this is one of the reasons I suggest to people to keep item production and power production completely split up

learning experience 😄
get those bio burners up

but yeah, set up that overflow to sink and in the future you should have plenty of fuel in the gens to kick start it back up

make sure to flood the system by underclocking 1 or 2 gens

[knotty bear]

Amusingly if I had woken up on time I can tell based on power graph my power would've been on.

Turning my general overflow in my plastic/fuel/rubber storage into a sink, if I fill up a whole industrial storage container probably fine to sink it anyway

Also apparently never set one of my refineries to refine. That might explain some things.

Do I need something on my grid for my biomass generators to power a battery?

[tall lantern]

biomass cannot charge power storage

[normal orbit]

biomass will never power a power storage

[knotty bear]

Why?

What?

[tall lantern]

power storage charges off excess production

[normal orbit]

cuz biomass only run on demand

there is no excess power with biomass

[knotty bear]

Whatever, got my fuel gens working again.

[rough shore]

ha

[spare prism]

hi

[rough shore]

my power consumption now equals my max consumption 🥳

[rough shore]

hi benson

[ornate saffron]

Factory must grow

[magic fractal]

It is 100% possible, just extremely time consuming, finishing the game in worst case scenario will take thousands of hours

[reef basin]

why wouldn't it be possible? all the settings just change it so that it takes more time to do a thing

[fossil oyster]

It will be possible.

[reef basin]

steel screws?
steel rod -> base screws?

both cheaper than cast 😛

[modest nest]

Hehe I don't think all random on my world modifiers was a good idea

[plush trellis]

What’s better Rotor or the 3rd alternative cost for rotor?

[reef basin]

that depends what "better" means to you

[craggy mica]

Alguien que hable español que quiera un compañero ficsit? 💔

[reef basin]

english only server #rules

[fossil oyster]

It will just take forever.

Go add a resource multiplier in your Satisfatory Tools, surely you must realize how long it's going to take. Every step doubles the cost. 5 production steps means 2^5 = 32 times more costs.
It's actually insane

[tall lantern]

• the multiplier cascades through the chain, if you've got 5 steps at 2x recipe cost that's a 32x cost overall
• also affects power production chains

(I haven't done any math, but it's a lot worse than just a simple 2x increase or whateveR)

[pallid umbra]

hi

[fossil oyster]

I'm doing the math right now, for 1 nuclear pasta/minute

It's mind boggling how many resources you are going to need

[reef basin]

more cost just means less per minute output

doesn't make it impossible

[plush trellis]

It’s either iron rods and belts or copper sheet and bolts

[tall lantern]

indeed, but it might become impractical

[reef basin]

impractical? sure
impossible? no, not at all

[fossil oyster]

It's not impossible, duh

[reef basin]

well, the choice is yours. All the recipes are viable

[tall lantern]

though I do wonder what this does to power production potential

since that'll also scale down what you can produce

[fossil oyster]

If you play with x5 power, x2 resource costs, and x100 space part costs it's just going to take years to finish :D

[tall lantern]

yeah thousands of hours feels like it's underselling it lol

[reef basin]

Go add a resource multiplier in your Satisfatory Tools
not that simple 🙃

[fossil oyster]

Like, I'm doing 1 nuclear pasta per minute with highly efficient resources. I'm already using 4330 bauxite, JUST FOR 1/min NUCLEAR PASTA. And I'm not even done yet with my calculations

[green fiber]

When new tools

[reef basin]

each question adds +1 month
currently at ~Q3 2158

[plush trellis]

So I have the iron ore here to make the screw and bolts but then I have the copper sheets a little further away that is already made so I don’t have to make 3 more machines

[fossil oyster]

Ah, the GRR Martin way

[reef basin]

joking aside, the multipliers will be added to new Tools, which is luckily made in a way that adding it won't be that hard. But it will add more time before release

[fossil oyster]

wen tools

[reef basin]

generally I'd recommend to not use existing things and rather make the intermediates at the factory you're building. Stealing from other factories is not a great approach imo

[modest nest]

Unless you have like little mini factories for each individual item but then you have to figure out how to make them basically indefinitely expandable

[distant pilot]

The HMF count alone is horrific

8 heavy frame into 4 fused frame into 2 pressure cubes into 1 pasta

Not impossible, but impractical is an understatement

[ornate saffron]

All these new world creation options are just options. Choose inflicted pain on yourself or not

^-^

[distant pilot]

Can’t wait to see how quickly Satisfactory Modeler updates to handle this

[uneven path]

There's a very viable play style of having lots of factories that make basic components (wire, cable, plates, rods etc) that are then distributed to just a few more advanced factories. That way you don't need to keep building the same factories over and over, but I know a lot of people prefer making everything they need for each part in one factory

[distant pilot]

The latter gives you flexibility for more alternate recipes, like with fused vs iron vs copper wire for example

[uneven path]

For sure, there's advantages and disadvantages to both

[tall lantern]

and lets you choose your recipes based on local resource availability

[reef basin]

"viable" for sure, but imo is harder to pull off and actually more complex

[sudden anvil]

With recipe multiplier on, pretty sure "less steps" will always be the best alt to use.

[ornate saffron]

Or the lack of updating

[distant pilot]

If anything I think I’ll pick 0.5x power consumption from now on. I’m not a big fan of the percentage of fossil fuel resources that simply go into power unless you have diluted fuel

[sudden anvil]

funny, I only really enjoy power plants.

[distant pilot]

Similarly for nuclear power, especially fisconium and how lossy that process is

[uneven path]

Definitely, but some folks are into that.

With ore randomisation I think we'll see a lot of people setting up central distribution hubs. Bring all your ingots and concrete etc to one place, then send them elsewhere for further processing. Challenging, but cool

[distant pilot]

I’ve heard it’s a net loss on power to go for it if you don’t mind a slow buildup of plutonium waste

[distant pilot]

Yea factories right next to the ores seems way less practical with randomization

[uneven path]

Yeah I think diluted fuel recipes would be almost mandatory for the max power consumption and resource cost

[distant pilot]

No more clusters of iron nodes for your motors or modular frames

[ornate saffron]

Its slightly positive with no sloops or OC

That being said you can underclock all machines to make it more power efficient

[sudden anvil]

Slooping the fcsonium rods doubles the power output, and makes the dark matter loop closed nicely.

[distant pilot]

I definitely don’t mind the option to increase space elevator phases, especially if it means the belt inputs are useful now compared to manually bringing the items in

[reef basin]

how so? it hardly changes. You find a place to build factory and then build it near nodes

[elfin smelt]

I guess it really depends, you might have a jackpot location with everything you need

[reef basin]

even without randomisation you sometimes have to bring some resource from further away

[distant pilot]

But fisconium fuel is made in the particle colliders and quantum encoders, meaning 4x power draw on already power-hungry machines

[ornate saffron]

Blue crater is a jackpot location.

[sudden anvil]

Agree, almost every factory compresses things vs the raw resources. Need a bunch of computers? Find a location with the resources and make computers. Much easier to ship 200 final product than 3000 raw ore for it.

[distant pilot]

Though shipping resources actually won’t be so bad with the truck overhaul

Since in my mind that left trains (gigantic) and drones (power hungry) as the only options before now

[ornate saffron]

Every should still try to only ship product in its most dense form.

[distant pilot]

Copper power drone my beloved

[sudden anvil]

I love the idea of trains. But I suck so bad at making room for stations.

[distant pilot]

27,000 ingots in one drone

[modest nest]

I think I'm going to have fun with these all randomized nodes and purities, going to have to have trains running delivering raw ore

My seed is not great

[ornate saffron]

This can be solved with planning.

[spiral summit]

so the cross beam was that one thing from the 1.1 menu screen map

[distant pilot]

But depending on your play style your train stations can easily be bigger than the actual factories they’re supplying for a while.

[ornate saffron]

Maybe it'll be goated in other areas.

[modest nest]

I sure hope so

[distant pilot]

Oh, another interesting thing is that they didn’t buff the fluid cargo wagons to be on par with the fluid truck (32 vs 48 slots for solid cargo, so it should be 2,400 vs 3,200 m^3 for fluids)

[modest nest]

I do have sulfur, coal, copper, limestone, and sam ore all within about 100m, but only one is pure and it's an iron node

[reef basin]

nah, trucks were viable

[ornate saffron]

This seems great

[distant pilot]

Making their paths was a pain in the butt though

[jagged nymph]

theyre just alot better now

[reef basin]

skill issue

[reef basin]

I'm not saying that

[sudden anvil]

trucks have always been pretty good on throughput, just annoying to route

[jagged nymph]

and "2 of your vehicles are deadlocked"

[distant pilot]

“Skill issue” mfs when the game engines has a moment and bounces your truck off a pebble, forcing your to restart the path:

[modest nest]

Most of its impure though, and I find myself mostly needing iron in the beginning and there's only 2 iron nodes, 1 pure 1 impure

[jagged nymph]

yeah, the only reason i didnt use trucks is because of the pathing

[ornate saffron]

Thats fine for a phase 1 /personal use factory. Which is what you want phase 1.

[modest nest]

True

And I can setup some easy local coal power

[distant pilot]

In my brief testing it at least seems like the balance of ore quantity across the whole map is mostly maintained

[reef basin]

you can't really fully use pure node anyway until mk6 belts

[elfin smelt]

I spent a lot of time figuring why my paths werent working, then I noticed that after finishing recording the path, some nodes, specially those near the truck station (did a U turn after loading/unloading) were deleted and the pathing broke

[distant pilot]

Ofc you could be unlucky and have all your iron up in the bamboo forest

[elfin smelt]

so frustating

[modest nest]

Yeah, so it's basically just 60 instead of 30 a minute with my measly mk1 miners

[elfin smelt]

I'm excited to try the new pathing system now

[green fiber]

Makes me wonder.... with 2 x increased cost, some machines wont be able to be fully utilized with belts or pipes

[modest nest]

More machines!

[distant pilot]

Diamonds be like

[green fiber]

Diamonds can usually use the 2 belt inputs, they are barely above the mk 6 belt

But 900/min water? no way around that

[distant pilot]

Isn’t it like 1500 coal per minute with an overclocked accelerator by default?

So that’s 3000 per minute with double resource requirements, AKA 2.5 mk6 belts

[green fiber]

Theres a only handful of recipes that go above the limit at 1x cost

[modest nest]

Underclock 2 machines to 450 water usage

[jagged nymph]

ive never though of doing that...

[green fiber]

This also means that the increased power cost cant explode as much because you cant overclock some machines as much. Yes you need more machines and its still more power, but you wont hit the absolute peak

[jagged nymph]

and if youre using petroleum diamonds, its 1800/minute, 1.5 mk6

[green fiber]

On that note..... increased cost ficsonium will have have even worse power output

[jagged nymph]

uses more waste though

[green fiber]

Doable with 2 inputs

[jagged nymph]

yea

[green fiber]

And more other stuff, for less reward

[jagged nymph]

which i never though of before until now

[distant pilot]

Nuclear in any form seems like a bad idea

[green fiber]

Everything seems worse

[jagged nymph]

yeah considering how many production steps there is

[green fiber]

Base nuclear might still be fine

[distant pilot]

Get this man a true

[jagged nymph]

nuclear will use so much power and resources tho

[crimson tartan]

dynamic controller/mouse control, hurrah !

[modest nest]

I mean you guys are just increasing the cost for stuff right, the whole point is to make everything worse

[green fiber]

But plutonium is probably the cutoff point

[jagged nymph]

its probably close to power negative

[green fiber]

On another note: instant scrap is probably the best aluminum recipe at 2x cost now

Its one less step

[modest nest]

It would make cast screws more viable

[distant pilot]

Oh no, I just realized

[green fiber]

Every other aluminum recipe is in shambles

[distant pilot]

Coal power alone spends 10 of the power it makes just pumping the water

[jagged nymph]

wdym more viable? cast screws is simply better already

[distant pilot]

So with 5x energy costs that’s half of your coal power going to water pumps

[modest nest]

Yes but there's better overall screws recipes

[jagged nymph]

it would make them 2x better

[jagged nymph]

yeah, but only once you get steel

[tall lantern]

keep it all flat, no pumps needed

[jagged nymph]

and that could be argued to be worse

[distant pilot]

Steel ingot -> steel beam

[green fiber]

Water extractors

[distant pilot]

That’s 4x as much coal

[jagged nymph]

mhm

[jagged nymph]

i know

[green fiber]

They likely mean the extractors

[fossil oyster]

1 nuclear pasta per minute using double resource costs:

Bauxite: 4330.6667
Caterium Ore: 1350.092
Coal: 2887.111111111
Copper Ore: 5463.158666667
Crude Oil: 2345.1428571
Iron Ore: 11889.3725341874
Limestone: 1952
Nitrogen Gas: 512
Raw Quartz: 411.42857142735
Sulfur: 2887.11111111111
Water: 18752.677321108

1 nuclear pasta per minute currently with the same recipes:

Bauxite: 92.666667
Caterium Ore: 12.881
Coal: 61.7777778
Copper Ore: 501.414
Crude Oil: 16.421
Iron Ore: 98.554
Limestone: 26.66667
Nitrogen Gas: 32
Raw Quartz: 12.857
Sulfur: 30.889
Water: 541.308

[modest nest]

Which is why cast screws would be more viable in this instance

[distant pilot]

I did yes

[fossil oyster]

Yes, instant scrap is by far the best.

[jagged nymph]

cast screws are already the most viable screw recipe. Its objectively better than the default recipe and it could be argued to be better than steal screws

[reef basin]

with no modifiers, it's not "simply better"

[jagged nymph]

how so?

[distant pilot]

Nah steel screws normally are the goat

[modest nest]

Nah

[reef basin]

because you cannot use rod alts with cast screws

[modest nest]

Because you have to sacrifice an early game hard drive which you could otherwise get a more helpful alternate recipe than one for screws, which just cuts out a single production step

[spiral summit]

do you want my seed

[reef basin]

it's only objectively better if you assume:

• no alts for rods
• no sloops

[modest nest]

Nah I'm going to stick to mine

[jagged nymph]

true

[ornate saffron]

No it isn't.

It eliminates all the sweet rod recipes. Steel rods to base screws is where its at. For minimum input and max output

[reef basin]

at which point it's no longer "objectively better" 🙂

[jagged nymph]

i forgot about the rod alts 😭

[distant pilot]

The real benefit of steel screws is how fast the recipe is

260 vs 40 or 50 per minute

[jagged nymph]

and that its 1 to 52

[ornate saffron]

Most people do.

What is best is a matter of goals and personal choice. Most want Most screws for least machines. Not minimum input to maximize output

[spiral summit]

thanks to the node randomiser im waiting for some maniac to 100% utilise every node solely for screws

[distant pilot]

Yes steel rods into screws is more resource efficient but I don’t wanna place that many constructors

[modest nest]

Yeah so in your increased cost thing try cast screws

Might be a good alternative

[jagged nymph]

but early game before steel and if you dont have sloops cast is just better. You likely arent slooping screws anyway, thats alot of sloops

[distant pilot]

You literally can’t even use sloops until you get fluctuators which take steel

[reef basin]

if you have it, then possibly yeah
if you don't have it, then a choice between cast screws and a different recipe may not be as easy

[modest nest]

Just take another alt recipe for like Reinforced plates or something, or a alt rod recipe

[jagged nymph]

you can get it from crash sites

[dusky dagger]

So ImKibitz StarForge would actually output something like 0.6 Nuclear Pasta per minute

[elfin smelt]

I wish cast screws were slightly nerfed, like 0.9 efficient, even comparing with more eficient alternatives like aluminum beam it kinda beats the default recipe for a looong while until you unlock them later in the game

[distant pilot]

Oh right

[ornate saffron]

My statement really covers most situations

Goals plus preference

[reef basin]

it doesn't beat the default recipe as soon as you get steel

[green fiber]

an alternative is to skip screws completely which also has its bonuses

[distant pilot]

Ain’t no way I’m using aluminum for screws

[fossil oyster]

Who? What?

[jagged nymph]

yeah i aint doin that neither

[ornate saffron]

Why not?

Personally I find im always swimming in aluminum

[distant pilot]

The only time I’ve used either of those recipes is aluminum beams for my plutonium fuel rods since heat sinks are right there anyway

[jagged nymph]

iron is just such an abundant resource compared to aluminum

[modest nest]

He's in an increased cost modifier thing

[spiral summit]

alternate recipes ftw

[jagged nymph]

youtubers factory that makes 60 pasta/minute

[fossil oyster]

Oh, my own factory makes that too :D. But I don't know who that is

[jagged nymph]

kinda crazy you dont know of him lol

if you look up satisfactory on youtube his 1.0 playlist is the second thing

[fossil oyster]

I just play the game man, don't really care for YouTube

Yeah like I've been playing Satisfactory since update 4, why would I watch others play it

[elfin smelt]

but steel still needs coal

[jagged nymph]

i like to see other peoples builds and though processes when theyre building/planning stuff

[reef basin]

sure, but that's hardly a problem

[distant pilot]

Because sometimes it’s more fun to watch someone else suffer when things go wrong than to experience it yourself lol

[distant pilot]

Aluminum needs either coal or coke no matter what too

[green fiber]

This reminds me.....
Solid Steel Ingot becomes worse than default with increased ingredient cost

[jagged nymph]

99% of past kibitz quit before solving the final issue that fixes the nuclear power plant

[distant pilot]

Oh god you’re right

Well worse in iron at least

Still better in coal

[ornate saffron]

I understand that. But I always take stock of the resources I have then take stock of the resources I am willing to get.

Then I choose the recipes I want to use.

I tend to always max produce a entire bauxite node at a time rather the. Limit my production. So I always have many ingots.

If I have lots of aluminum ingots not being used why wouldn't I just use then instead of getting more iron and coal that is out of the way.

[green fiber]

That means pure and whatnot also become suboptimal for that

[low ingot]

nooo, that screws up one of my saves

[reef basin]

I do not look forward to all these new discussions about recipe choices, where at the end of 2 hour discussion OP will mention "oh btw I play on this modifier" and it will all make sense now

[elfin smelt]

indeed, but it's another machine in the line which is the advantage of cast screws, if you only want to hook up a iron node to make screws on early game and you don't need screws elsewere in the same factory cast screws is no brainer

[jagged nymph]

?

[green fiber]

Wont affect it i believe since you cant change ingredient cost on active saves

[knotty bear]

I've already used 4 of the crude oil nodes
Is there a way to extract faster?

[reef basin]

if you're optimising for number of machines, then steel screws should be your choice

[fossil oyster]

Yeah I agree actually. Like people are going to post screenshots on reddit, "hey look at my 100 TW power plant!" Meanwhile he's playing on all pure random resources with 8 pure uranium and 0.5x resource costs, lol

[tall lantern]

tbf both of those already happen with people using mods

[fossil oyster]

Yeah true, but it's hard to visualize their games

[tall lantern]

though not quite as common as it'd be with unmodded

[elfin smelt]

it's numbers of machines AND number input resources

[fossil oyster]

Like, I know exactly that when I see a 1 TW save it's an impressive amount of energy. But with random resources and resource costs multiplers, I have no idea what's possible

[elfin smelt]

the thing I'm trying to say is, with only iron in the table, theres little reason to not use cast screws, but I like the idea of using the rod recipe being slighly more eficient since it's another machine in the line consuming more power

[reef basin]

yeah at that stage it depends on how much value you give each property and becomes very subjective 😉

[ornate saffron]

Large numbers mean nothing to me personally. Im more impressed by a balanced system and creative solutions

[fossil oyster]

Large numbers are inherently more impressive because it's much harder to setup.

[ornate saffron]

I setup 1tw pretty easily. I was only using 180 gw though.

[jagged nymph]

yeah i mean just doubling the amount of uranium nodes (and whatever else is maxed out) and building the same 1tw plant twice isnt any more impressive than building it once

[elfin smelt]

Yeah I'm not arguing, just stating my opnion about an balance ideia I have, I have the same opnions as you regarding alts

[pearl nova]

wait wait i was watching the new 1.2 teaser and U CAN CHAIN POWER TO FACTORYS?

[fossil oyster]

Yeah 1 TW isn't that much, but it's more than what most are making so when I see a 1 TW factory I go "okay, nice!". But when 1.2 comes online and people play with all these modifiers I have no idea what settings they are playing on and 10 TW might as well be as easy as 0.1 TW with certain modifiers

[ornate saffron]

Yes. Upgrade in the awesome shop

[elfin smelt]

it needs a MAM research iirc

oh, awesome shop?

[tall lantern]

MAM

[jagged nymph]

no its in the mam

[ornate saffron]

Mam? My bad.

[pearl nova]

i dont rly care if it doesnt come by default tbh its a pretty BIG QOL

[spiral summit]

anyone can waste their time building some big ass powerplant

[distant pilot]

Oh, and for those curious: you’d have to underclock a machine to 0.6742% for it to consume the same power per item at 5x power cost as it would normally at 1x power cost

[spiral summit]

it takes effort and creativity to build a good looking powerplant

[fossil oyster]

Oh, I meant 1 TW power consumption. That's nice. 1 TW power production is easy

[knotty bear]

I'm going to be so hyped to start save 2, haven't finished save 1. Am I ahead or behind pace, at phase 3 (completing the phase, I put the versatile framework in) at 70 hours (60 on save, game loads take forever)

[reef basin]

you cannot underclock to less than 1%

[pearl nova]

wait but this isnt out yet or is it? is it just on experimental?

[distant pilot]

Really?

[knotty bear]

experimental

[spiral summit]

well thats not hard either just somersloop a bunch of diamonds and lategame stuff

[reef basin]

afaik yeah, min clock speed is 1%

though maybe it changed since I last checked 🤔

[spiral summit]

half sarcastic idk how hard it is to get that but i dont rly see that as something to be impressed by

[distant pilot]

I know it used to only be adjustable in 1% increments but now you can type in any value and it’ll allow it

[elfin smelt]

uhhh it rounds

to decimal 2 figures

[distant pilot]

Ah, so 0.67% would be the actual limit

[elfin smelt]

like 3.65534 rounds to about 3.66

idk the exact rounding rules but it's something like that

||I had to edit my example because previously it rounded to 3.67||

[distant pilot]

Though maybe that’s just for readability and it remembers all the decimals it can internally

[spiral summit]

intentional or unintentional

[fossil oyster]

Okay yeah but an actual functioning factory, you know what I mean

[earnest chasm]

when does 1.2 comes out of experimental?

[distant pilot]

No clue

[spiral summit]

ive realised why it took them so long to release 1.2

[fossil oyster]

Okay, let me phrase it differently. Is 60/min BWD impressive for you?

[distant pilot]

When a sufficient amount of bugs are squashed

[spiral summit]

they were to busy figuring out where to put a 67 joke in the release trailer

[fossil oyster]

My entire point is not the 1 TW consumption or production, but that I know what values or possible in the base game. With all these modifiers I have no idea what's impressive or not

[elfin smelt]

about how long did 1.1 experimental lasted? if it did had a similar release as 1.2 is

[tall lantern]

they vary but on the order of months

don't recall if 1.1 actually had an experimental

[reef basin]

to 4

[ornate saffron]

Also 1.1 was much smaller then 1.2.

It'll take however long it takes to make a quality product.

The goal is release on console at the same time as pc.

Microsoft and Sony have strick guidelines for certification. And want quality products on there store

[reef basin]

the shown clock speed is also rounded, but just visually 😉

[elfin smelt]

good to know, thanks

[fossil oyster]

Can you make an option on satisfactory tools to add more decimal points?

[reef basin]

it already shows it up to the 4 decimal points limitation

[distant pilot]

Meanwhile Minecraft bedrock edition

[fossil oyster]

Yeah but I want more for my spreadsheet shenanigans

[reef basin]

more than max the game supports?

[distant pilot]

Idk how it affects rounding but using fractions also seems to work

[ornate saffron]

Then use spreadsheets

[distant pilot]

So you can do 100/3 to get 33.3333% clockspeed

[elfin smelt]

greeny recommended against that to me

[distant pilot]

And that might go even more decimals than it shows

[distant pilot]

Hm

[spare prism]

ahhhhh

[fossil oyster]

I use fractions all the time and my factory functions fine

[spice patio]

No, has been checked that that four decimals is the actually used value.

[distant pilot]

Yea it hasn’t caused issue for me from what I can tell

[spice patio]

Because for most cases, the max difference from optimal results in one less/more cycle per week of runtime.

[elfin smelt]

.

[alpine kiln]

hallo, so im makingmy first bauxite factory and im gonna just train it far away, should i overclock the 3 miners on the nodes i have, or like how much bauxite would i need for a decent factory?

[reef basin]

the problem of that is that it rounds the result in arbitrary place of calculation, hence if you really want the "most accurate" clock speed, calculating it yourself and rounding in the desired direction (machines up, gens down) yourself

but realistically it won't matter much unless you are aiming for efficiency at those levels

[distant pilot]

True

[fossil oyster]

214.28571428571% one of my quartz refinery factories

[distant pilot]

Frankly I do it for the fun of the math

[elfin smelt]

I mean that's pretty important for power specifically

[fossil oyster]

Which is 2 divided by 7

[reef basin]

that depends how much the "decent factory" needs. Impossible to say like that

make what you need now, or make more and sink excess, or whatever you really want. You'll see how much that'll actually do

[ornate saffron]

I suggest making one node at a time and using the node closet to where you need the aluminum

[distant pilot]

If you’re using imported silica to make all your scrap into ingots then it’s a 1:1 of ore into ingot with default recipes. But things like fused modular frame and radio control units take a bunch of them (75 and 24 each respectively)

So if your nodes are normal/impure then overclocking is a good call

[elfin smelt]

you need a whoooole lot of silica for aluminum without the alt

just beware of that

[fossil oyster]

I haven't made aluminum with silica since my first playthrough

[distant pilot]

Luckily it’s 5 from 3 raw quartz, or 400 silica from 240 raw AKA a pure MK2 drill

[indigo hare]

When's coffee stain gonna add poop to this game

[distant pilot]

That’s called flushing your paleberries

[elfin smelt]

half of the quantity of bauxite you are harvesting will be needed to smelt it in the foundry for the ingot, (using only default recipes)
i.e. 300 quartz for 600 bauxite

[alpine kiln]

when r they adding coffee stains

[indigo hare]

I only flush uranium waste

irl, not in game

[alpine kiln]

i dont know because i plan on just moving all the bauxite i have here away so i can make aluminum

what way should i make aluminum apart from quartz

[distant pilot]

You’ll need water no matter what, and either coal by default or petroleum coke if you want an alternate recipe

[alpine kiln]

i can go spend like 30 min getting hard drives if theres a better recipe to ts

[earnest chasm]

I love this game but building cool thing is so tricky and anoying

[elfin smelt]

depends on what you mean by better

[alpine kiln]

easier

[elfin smelt]

the easiest I think is pure aluminum and sloppy alumina

altough heavily inneficient

[fossil oyster]

Not really

[distant pilot]

I think sloppy alumina and electrode scrap cancel out the losses from pure aluminum ingot

[fossil oyster]

Sloppy and electrode are goated

[elfin smelt]

ah yeah I mixed with aother one

[alpine kiln]

in the mam should i just keep the recipes in my hard drive library until i need one of them and then redeem it?

[elfin smelt]

this sloppy + pure aluminum has 90% eficiency

[distant pilot]

Does anyone even use instant scrap?

[alpine kiln]

so i need those 2 recipes yeah?

[fossil oyster]

No, but with double resource costs it becomes the best (if you value your bauxite)

[elfin smelt]

pretty much

[distant pilot]

I’m way too cautious about my sulfur usage, but that was because of when a single nobelisk was 5 black powder

[fossil oyster]

For aluminum I would farm hard drives for electrode and sloppy

[vernal walrus]

I plan on building 8 new gas generators, for fluid purposes, would it be better to keep them in a long line or can I do 4 on each side of a main feeder pipe?

[distant pilot]

And also because the deposits are remote, but once again having trucks be user-friendly should remedy that

[distant pilot]

Depends on the space you have

[ornate saffron]

I just put lots of portable miners around the main miner. Collect it all every once of a while and hand feed it into my gunpowder factory.

[distant pilot]

I tend to do the latter

[vernal walrus]

All the space

[alpine kiln]

should i take solid steel ingot / fused wire or just rescan it?

[elfin smelt]

if you don't find sloppy alumina, only the pure aluminum, you can still use the default alumina recipe and sink the silica, altough that's is the least eficient of all options (0.75 bauxite to ingot ratio)

[distant pilot]

Solid steel is really good

[elfin smelt]

saying that because at that point of game theres so many recipes to unlock you might not be lucky

[distant pilot]

Or do a mix of the default and pure ingot recipes

[alpine kiln]

do not underestimate the amount of free time i have

[fossil oyster]

Solid Steel is super good. Fused Wire, shrug, not great, not terrible. I usually make wire with iron

[elfin smelt]

thats what I said

[fossil oyster]

My issue with hard drives is that any new save I just enable them by default. I've already done two playthroughs where I collected all the hard drives. I don't really want to do it again.

[distant pilot]

Fused wire can be nice in places that you have fused quickwire being made too

[alpine kiln]

valid

[distant pilot]

The only reason I don’t do that is because I still have three steam achievements to get

[fossil oyster]

Yeah the combination saves on both, but copper/caterium are more rare than iron, so I just usually do wire with iron.

Which ones?

[elfin smelt]

I think thats what made them decide it to be random, to make each playthrough unique (unless you have a lot of free time for hunting)

[distant pilot]

Golden nut, all milestones (didn’t register the first time I actually did it because offline), and reaching the world height limit

[fossil oyster]

Ah world height limit is pretty easy. Just build ladders :D

Golden nut requires some effort, yeah

[distant pilot]

Even the achievement icon seems to suggest that lol

I’ve gotten a few of the other states on top of all the buildables before, probably amounting to 500 tickets in one save

[fossil oyster]

Meanwhile I have 25k tickets in my save :D

[distant pilot]

Are you just AFKing with a finished factory or something??

Even kibitz is only at like 2k despite how long his save has been going

[fossil oyster]

60/min BWD, 120/min AI, 60/min Biochemical. 20/min nuclear pasta. 26/min pressure conversion cubes. ~280-290 million points per minute. 800 hour save.

[distant pilot]

Jesus

[fossil oyster]

It's a really big factory haha

[distant pilot]

Yea I really wanna play with 100x space elevator costs to motivate me to have permanent BWD/Server/Sculptor production

[fossil oyster]

I saved the day at 100 hours and then just kept moving the goalpost

[distant pilot]

First time I did it I was so desperate to just be done that it was a spaghetti mess to get all the tier 9 stuff

[fossil oyster]

Yeah oh I've rebuilt everything. Not a single structure from when I saved the day is still standing

[distant pilot]

I was about 108 hours, which was surprisingly also the same time it took to beat my first Factorio Space Age run

But in factorio I was also dicking around with quality for like 20 of those hours

[inland apex]

I found a bug on 1.2, i don't know if it was on previous versions but on the blueprint maker where you select an icon for blueprints, the 1 meter concrete foundation icon is missing, is there any way i can report this?

[sick agate]

Ok so like, now that daisy chaining machines is a thing, what’s the point of power poles?

[misty sluice]

Hi how do i use console commands?

i tried but its not working

[clear aspen]

What’s up

[silk coral]

Is it worth it to build a pretty sizeable factory with mk3 belts or should I wait a bit

Im still putting off phase 2 completion for building efficient blueprints but I should probably do that

[zenith pecan]

Generally to avoid things looking bad, though I use wall sockets, some machines will have the wire visibly clip through the machine itself.

[silk coral]

You can daisy chain machines!?

Is that only in 1.2?

[clear aspen]

I think

[silk coral]

that’s peak wow

[clear aspen]

This makes my wiring so much better holy

[fossil oyster]

Enjoy the clipping!

[silk coral]

Im an engineer, if it works it works 😂

[little timber]

Guys do you think it will be efficient to transport 1.2k sulfur and 1.2k coal to my power plant to make compacted coal

[silk coral]

What tier belts

[little timber]

I got 5

But im thinking about trains

[silk coral]

Yeah thats probably the move

I think it should be fine though

[little timber]

Im afraid that there will be a bit of delay that will make the production not 100% efficient and there will be power fluctuations

[tall lantern]

then add another train

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @ornate saffron

[tall lantern]

your choice of transport method doesn't affect production efficiency as long as you scale appropriately

heck you could do it all with single-inventory-slot factory carts (and some people do silly stuff like that), you'd just need a lot of carts

[cunning lily]

For when machines are too far apart, or to connect two buildings that wouldnt make sense to throw power towers down for. Plus, they're after Mk3 poles, so poles will still be doing a lot of lifting for you.

[little timber]

Ohhh right right

Thank you for the enlightenment

[sick agate]

Ooh so they’re an unlock?

Then that’s fair if they’re a late game unlockable

[cunning lily]

Yep.

[winter swallow]

do we know when 1.2 will fully come out or no?

[ornate saffron]

no

[cunning lily]

No. Mikael suggested "months," could be weeks. Months can be measured in weeks, too.

Public-facing timelines for devs are like a noose.

[winter swallow]

omg i dont wanan look at the experimental build text for months

if only there was an option to disable it

[ornate saffron]

No its there for a reason

[ornate saffron]

My guess between july 2026 and March 2027

[winter swallow]

cant they just put like a little red dot next to the version number

[steep trench]

I thought it was fugly too. After an hour I don't even see it.

[winter swallow]

it makes me feel like my monitor is an unwrapped christmas present

[obsidian zodiac]

no date set in stone, but i will say it wont be at least for another few months.

[ornate saffron]

Does pokemon pokopia effect the timeliness at all.

Mental breaks are important

[obsidian zodiac]

i actually dont know of anyone playing it here at the studio! but i also bury my head into smash ultimate during breaks

[minor cedar]

guys why do i sometimes ping stuff instead of placing them down while building?

[sick agate]

I mean, the requirements are kinda on-par with mk3 power poles

I feel like that would make those poles obsolete

[celest zephyr]

hii

[clear aspen]

What’s up chat how are we doing today?

[ornate saffron]

Hey hey,

[clear aspen]

It’s been a while

[spare prism]

Hi

[tardy osprey]

ummm... is it true that rocket fuel doesn't have the need for pumps?

[clear aspen]

Still alive and kicking

[ornate saffron]

1.2 brings the ability to make all nodes pure. Think of all the reactors you can make

[velvet thorn]

Breaking the game is the fun part (at least in my opinion), great to know I still have time

[clear aspen]

Are your right? Yea you’re right, YOUR SO RIGHT!! (Jjk reference)

[heavy mist]

So happy that shit ain’t a mod no more, the factory must grow

[velvet thorn]

Think of the amount of radiation we can have in nuclear pasta

[heavy mist]

Just eat the waste

[little timber]

What projects are you guys working on rn?

[heavy mist]

Biomass D:

[little timber]

[heavy mist]

Started me save last night

[little timber]

Oh no

Going around and picking leaves?

[heavy mist]

Nah I got the saw at least

[clear aspen]

I belive you should be able to make nuclear weapons with plutonium because in real life, both are used in TNW(thermonuclear weapons) plutonium would use less cells because that’s how it is irl

[little timber]

I dont think i would ever start a new playthrough cuz of biomass and tier 1 belts

[heavy mist]

I do every update

[little timber]

They should add actual nukes to clear out biomes easily

[little timber]

Thats impressive

[velvet thorn]

That's why it's called nuclear pasta, maybe you'll be able to grow another finger to use more forks afterwards

[clear aspen]

Add a plane that can be loaded with bombs and drop them for easy clearing of large factory spaces

[heavy mist]

Bro is onto something

[clear aspen]

And then make the plane modular so people can make them look different and share thier creations like how they share blueprints

[little timber]

Exactly or a big bomb that takes up your whole inventory

[tardy osprey]

umm.. is it?

[little timber]

Actually you should be able to drop cluster bombs from drones

[little timber]

Idk, havent gone there yet

[clear aspen]

U can do that, just have good timing

[little timber]

It should be automated tho

I love doing a trail of cluster bombs and stand high up and watch em clear a path

[clear aspen]

Is this peak or nah

[tall lantern]

correct, it is a gas

[tardy osprey]

then, in my old world, WHY DID I SPENT SO MUCH MATERIAL ON THAT?!

[tall lantern]

clearly because you didn't read where it says it's a gas

though you say "so much material" like a couple pumps isn't just a drop in the ocean there

[abstract heron]

huh

[clear aspen]

Does anyone else get a random undying hatred for mega corporations?

Or is that just me?

[distant pilot]

No, my hatred for them is continuous

[real shale]

Nope, I am loyal to FICSIT

[distant pilot]

two types of people lol

[clear aspen]

The only one im loyal to is Jaya Abadi

[real shale]

Please send this pioneer for retraining, it seems it is defective

[distant pilot]

I’ll give my loyalty to Amazon MGM if they pull of Project Hail Mary like I’m hearing they are

[clear aspen]

Yo some choom gave me this shard back in NC, should I slot it?

[twin parcel]

how u join a server ? bro gave password, servername and port number

[clear aspen]

Man a satisfactory and cyberpunk crossover would go hard

[modest narwhal]

hi

how many of you guys using mods? decorative or +recepies and ect.

[mystic oriole]

agreed, although I'd add to that Starfield to that too.

[clear aspen]

I’ve never played starfield

[ornate saffron]

I use SKYUI and thats it atm

[clear aspen]

I’m to mentally damaged to use mods

[ornate saffron]

I really suggest the modding discord for modding info

[clear aspen]

I tried using a tutorial for it and still doesn’t make sense

[ornate saffron]

The mod manager makes it really easy. Although I only use the one atm

[modest narwhal]

thx

[raven axle]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @ornate saffron

[clear aspen]

Man I wish I had other server emoji and sticker perms

But can’t have everything in life

[open swallow]

Hey does anyone have like an image of the “I know what you are” filter in photo mode? I can’t get on rn and I’m really curious as to what it looks like.

[open cape]

when i quick do something like putting stuff in the hub it keeps making me ping stuff

[modest narwhal]

if i have a save what i maded in 1.1 and i want to play 1.2 but im doing it in experimental i will can change to normal 1.2 without issues if the 1.2 is out?

[ornate saffron]

Any save used in 1.2 cannot be used in 1.1

[modest narwhal]

aw man

[clear aspen]

Did u see my fact

[ornate saffron]

Backup your saves and blueprints

[ornate saffron]

Yes

[modest narwhal]

so if i maded the save 1.1 and i cant play 1.2 if its come out with this save?

[clear aspen]

How many power plants will I be able to make with all pure and half input

No over clock

[ornate saffron]

I dont know. More then double. Youll need to do a lot of math.

[clear aspen]

So regular is 42, double not including pure is 84

I think

[distant pilot]

Remember that the double cost happens at every step. So oil into heavy oil residue into diluted fuel takes 4x as much material since it doubles at two stages

[ornate saffron]

If you have a 1.1 save you can load it in 1.2 but it cannot longer be loaded in 1.1

[ornate saffron]

He is talking about .5 cost

[modest narwhal]

so i can play in 1.2 then? i dont need to load back to 1.1 if i have 1.2

[ornate saffron]

So every step cost ½ the resources and parts

[ornate saffron]

Need to? I dont know. Your game may completely brick and require a uninstall.

Experimental is use at own risk. You are bug testing.

[modest narwhal]

i dont mean the experimental now

[clear aspen]

Is there a double output?

[alpine kiln]

lol got the sloppy alumina like 3 hard drives in neow

[ornate saffron]

1.2 is only available in experimental currently. There is no date for main branch.

When the game does update to 1.2 you will need to do nothing. You will load the game as normal and play as normal

[clear aspen]

How do I play the experimental?

[modest narwhal]

i know its currently in experimental, but if the 1.2 is come out anyways thx for the help

[ornate saffron]

Backup your saves and blueprints

[ornate saffron]

Steam or epic

[tranquil lantern]

just halve the input requirements.. same effect

[clear aspen]

I don’t have any blueprints that are to annoying to remake

[ornate saffron]

Steam or epic

[clear aspen]

I just need to know how many nuclear power plants I can make, I don’t care about how may other stuff, I just need the number of plants I can use with just uranium

[ornate saffron]

You'll have to do the math dude. There is no working calculators atm for 1.2. And I have no interest in doing this myself

[golden nexus]

then go look it up in the tool like any other person

its also a subjective thing based on location, recipie and what outcome you want and how much effort your prepared to put in

[sinful talon]

is there a way to take off the expermintal tag on the screen?

[ornate saffron]

No

[golden nexus]

wait a month 😛

[sinful talon]

is it worth starting a new world in it before official release?

[golden nexus]

do you want random nodes?

[sinful talon]

its weather and truck pathing I want

[ornate saffron]

#satisfactory-experimental

Is the place to ask.

Experimental is use at own risk. Your are bug testing

[sinful talon]

ya will move it there

[woven shore]

i just started playing, where do i put the foundations?

[edgy brook]

when I get coal should I disassemble my base and start anew

[ornate saffron]

Any where you wish

[ornate saffron]

I wouldnt.

[edgy brook]

Alright, any advice on ratios or calculators?

[woven shore]

yeah but at what altitude and should i make an enormous platform or make small ones for each factory

[ornate saffron]

For caol?

[zenith pecan]

I probably shouldn't have but the rebuild seems to have done well 🙂

[ornate saffron]

Rules are ment to be broken. But you do so once you understand how things work

[zenith pecan]

I'm just working out how to route plastic over to the battery factory, I'll need drones to move some materials to the sporting goods site.

[ornate saffron]

Seriously its just choice. You could avoid using at all if you wish.

[woven shore]

ok all platforms at the same altitude right?

[jagged nymph]

if you want to do it like that sure

literally everything you do is your choice

[woven shore]

how should i

[jagged nymph]

however you want

[woven shore]

nice

[jagged nymph]

whatever you think is the easiest/looks the best

[ornate saffron]

They can be. You can build a mile in the sky if you want. Or below the map.

There is no right way. Just the way that give you happy chemicals on your brain and ways that dont

[random wasp]

how do you guys do diagonals and make them look good?

[ornate saffron]

Hold control and using the mouse wheel when a foundation is in hand allows you to rotate it at smaller increments

[edgy brook]

In general, for the game. Better learn now than later

[jagged nymph]

just out of curiosity, does anyone know what item is used in the most other recipes (excluding alts)

if you incluid fluids i think its water

[golden nexus]

Yu will find everything in the game becomes subjective, even coal generators have multiple viable ratios because coal, pet coke, compacted coal all do different things which need different ratios.

[ornate saffron]

Everything changes depending on many factors.

I generally do the same thing while making a new facility. Figure out what resources I have and what im willing to get. From that I decided the recipes I use and the math around the part (or effect) needed.

[golden nexus]

best ot learn your own ratios by looking at the resources avilable to you in your area and what to do with them

[ornate saffron]

@edgy brook as for coal

These setups are tried tested and true

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[native stream]

how much energy does compacted coal generate compared to regular coal?

for the coal generator

[jagged nymph]

its a little more than 2x efficient

50 compacted coal powers 7 gens

[green fiber]

But it also needs some more power for processing

[jagged nymph]

each ones takes about 7.143 per minute

[golden nexus]

its normally not worth it... however 1.2 changes things :S

[plain marten]

how does multiplayer exactly work? is there voice chat ingame? does everyone get the pod landing scene when they join?

[golden nexus]

one person gets starting bits, the rest just join and you help, common milstones, mam, se parts

people typically use a private discord for vc

[jagged nymph]

just 2 people in the save working on stuff

or more than 2

hmmm you can use an industrial chest as a 2-2 balancer

[cunning lily]

Mmm, thats generally discouraged. 2x2 chests work best as railway logistics buffers, not balancers. Theyre not nearly as reliable as dedicated balancers.

[velvet thorn]

Every time I played multiplayer my friends always tore down my factories because there was too much spaghetti
Other times my friends left the spaghetti because it would take too long to tear down or they didn't have the frame rate to tear it down

[jagged nymph]

it still works though

[golden nexus]

it can be a mixed expirence especially when more poeple and various skill levels differ

[tall lantern]

as long as you don't rely on either output being prioritised over the other, yep

since they're fickle and like to change which output they prefer

[jagged nymph]

i wanna see someone do a playthrough where they use only 2x2 chests instead of splurgers

[velvet thorn]

True, I'm usually the one that pisses everyone off because no one understands what is going on in what I make
Tbh does it really matter if it still makes 2 heavy modular frames a minute at the cost of 20 fps?

[ornate saffron]

Coop ib these kind of games requires a planning session where everyone gets on the same page and agrees on guidelines.

For example I plan on playing with a coworker. We are just going to make a list of production goals and claim what we are doing and go do our own thing. As long as the facility outputs the parts claimed all is good

[nova oriole]

Why do liquids have to be liquids in this game

I despise them so much

[tall lantern]

because if they weren't liquids they wouldn't be liquids

[ornate saffron]

Fluids.

Some are gases. They will piss you off too. I promise

[nova oriole]

Ugh I know

[nova oriole]

Fuck

[jagged nymph]

but gasses are easier?

you dont need to worry abot headlift

[nova oriole]

Unfuck

[hazy void]

how do i make indoor lighting without blinding myself or drop half my fps?

[jagged nymph]

signs

[bold widget]

I tend to use the mod that make all liquids to gasses.

[nova oriole]

"without blinding myself" real mate

I felt it

[hazy void]

like the bilboards or the small ones?

[jagged nymph]

you can use a lighting controller or wtv its called or signs

[jagged nymph]

any of them

[nova oriole]

Nah I just do it the old fashioned way, I wait for sunrise while driving a train around on a 10m*10m platform, then don't build a roof

[sudden anvil]

strips of the narrow signs on the ceiling are real easy to do now. Quite nice

[thorny rampart]

does anyone have problems with their "z" key? i can't move forward with it
rebinds do work

[jagged nymph]

soop

[hazy void]

if i dim the lights does it bring fps back or does it make no difference

[jagged nymph]

no its still calculating light, jsut with less intensity

[nova oriole]

Are the lights really optimized that badly?

[hazy void]

yes

i was at 100 fps now im at 40

[jagged nymph]

well if you have your settings cranked and the game is calculating light reflecting off dozens of high quality animated models it gets pretty not good

[nova oriole]

The lights of doom, despair and everything unfair fuck me

[nova oriole]

Okay that sounds pretty reasonable actually

[hazy void]

so how do i make lights with signs?

they keep going vertical

[normal orbit]

vertical?

just mouse wheel to rotate em

[hazy void]

nvm i got it

i meant they want to stand up and not go flat against the ceiling

[normal orbit]

oh, hold ctrl

[devout timber]

Guys is it normal that my save doesn't work anymore? I started a new run yesterday and today i can't play on it 😭 (i'm on the experimental version)

[ornate saffron]

Normal no.

Ask in #satisfactory-experimental for anyone else that has got it.

Please search for a similar issue on the QandA site and upvote and comment on it

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @ornate saffron

[silk coral]

Yall im trying to make a hypertube cannon and pressing E does nothing i cant make it do the looping thing where it speeds up

I just get instantly shot out any advice?

[alpine kiln]

where should i build my mall

[alpine kiln]

use a blueprint

[empty spoke]

is 1 industrial storage container per car station good enough?

[clear mesa]

Are you following a tutorial?

[ornate saffron]

First I would figure out what is the middle of my plans. Its doubtful you will use all the resources on the map. So figure your where the most the the production is going to be done ( for example im doing mostly the southern half of the map) then go from there

[silk coral]

Yes

[clear mesa]

Are you playing single player?

[silk coral]

Whenever I hit e in the junction it just does nothing

[alpine kiln]

i just want to have a big building, in which i will route all my finished products

[silk coral]

Yes single player

[alpine kiln]

so i dont have to go running to places and have all my storage in 1 place

[clear mesa]

Spam it or lengthen the time it takes for your character to get to the junction then

You have 0 ping issues and if you've correctly followed a working tutorial then it should be fine

[silk coral]

I tried lengthening the tube before it and was able to get it to loop but once I get in there I spam e and it doesn’t exit and by the time I get out I’m flying out of the map

[clear mesa]

Uhhhh

Well granted you have to realise that it's not an intended game feature and is kind of buggy

[silk coral]

My laptop is awful that’s probably why

[clear mesa]

The speed you exit it is just dependent on how long you stay there

[alpine kiln]

i was thinking of just a really big square building with storages inside with photos on them of the material, and behind all the storages is a splitter system where the items get sorted

[clear mesa]

So I'm not sure how perfect you're aiming for it to be anyways with this in mind

[silk coral]

Yeah exactly I can’t get out unless I spam E for like 40 seconds straight

And by that time I’m going wayyy too fast

[clear mesa]

But yeah I can imagine if youre in low frames it's also harder to get into the frame to enter and exit the junction

[silk coral]

Yeah makes sense

It’ll probably be fine once I get back to my pc

I might try using an auto key spammer

To hit e like 4000 times per second lol

Since my laptop is absolutely horrible

[ornate saffron]

That works and im bot saying dont so it as when I did it I learned a lot

But it is largely not needed. You can just output your parts into a dimensional depots where they are manufactured. Then you have them always

[alpine kiln]

yeh i did but i have boxes in my base just filled with shit

every material im making goes into a dimensional depo

[ornate saffron]

If I am automating parts that I cannot fit in my d depot I just drop them in a sink.

But as I said there is many good thing to learn from making a mall. Much to learn and its fun.

My mall I just put in the sky

[alpine kiln]

yeh i mean i find the automatic sorting element pretty cool

and itd be fun to just empty my inventory into a container and watch it get sorted

[ornate saffron]

Totalxplise has some cool centralized storage videos

[alpine kiln]

did he do any tutorials on em?

[ornate saffron]

Yes sir

[tall lantern]

pretty straightforward really, just a chain of smart splitters

[ornate saffron]

When I did it I used smart and programmable splitters. All oil products went in one direction for example. Then I filtered them out to where they needed to go

[serene jolt]

How much stuff should I try to produce for stage 3?

[nova oriole]

Just found out a friend of mine just placed his first particle accelerator, and he's powering everything with biomass generators

[ornate saffron]

First run. The default amount per machine is fine. But the more you make the fastr the phase goes.

I didn't care about speed this time as I wanted to decorate everything before changing phases

[tall lantern]

that also works, though either way you're limited by the throughput of that incoming belt, so the splitting order's just a preference thing

[serene jolt]

Isn’t that like 40 hours of production or something? For the 2500 versatile framework

[ornate saffron]

Sure. In the grand scheme of things its not much time.

If you double your frame output you cut the time in half. This can be done with sloops or more standard production

[tall lantern]

if it's not fast enough for you, add moar

though no, it'd be 5/min = 300/hr so 8hr20m

[ornate saffron]

Almost everything in this game breaks down to goals and time frame.

Decide your goal and how long you want to wait to get there

[normal orbit]

if only 2500 versatile frameworks :p

[tall lantern]

shoo with your challenge runs 😛

[ornate saffron]

5390 v frames are needed to see the credits (vanilla) At 5/min you'll have it all in 18 hours

[green fiber]

Automate once then keep playing

[normal orbit]

my hubris of doing the x100 might get the better of me :p

[rustic crest]

how much coal generators i can do with second upgraded pipes

[normal orbit]

13 in a mk2 pipe

[green fiber]

Better off going with fuel gens at that point

[rustic crest]

i need coal gens to power fuel gens

[tall lantern]

mk1 pipes are plenty for coal

since you can easily just divide up into sections that stay within mk1 limits

[abstract heron]

I got to make 82.4 nuclear pasta per minute or 100 nuclear pasta per minute

[drowsy kelp]

Gens don’t need power once they’re running

[ornate saffron]

Option 2

[drowsy kelp]

As long as you’re not black-starting it why would you need lots of coal

[celest lichen]

realizing that for x100 mode i would need to stay on burner power for 5000 smart plating

[drowsy kelp]

Just hook it up to your existing grid

[normal orbit]

need power to make the fuel for the gens tho

[ornate saffron]

Mod i take it. As 100x is the highest for 1.2

[normal orbit]

x100 is 5000, they prob typoed it

[celest lichen]

typo mb

[normal orbit]

having just done it, 15 bio burners was enough to power thru

[abstract heron]

100 per minute nuclear pasta

[normal orbit]

made 20 plating/min

[celest lichen]

if you early unlock somersloops i guess its doable

[abstract heron]

Time to my make the my world very with 100 nuclear pasta per minute

[ornate saffron]

Event without. If you are playing with such large multiples you likely know the game well.

Just use the production time to build other things. Just because you are not in phase two doesnt mean you cannot setup thing for it while you produce smart plates

[abstract heron]

I am doing biome bases 😀

[normal orbit]

didnt use sloops

took just over 4 hours to do, while i explored, got some harddrives, bio nuggies etc

[celest lichen]

i meant an early unlock quadruples your biomass yield and doubles your smart plating

just to get that phase of the game out the way

[abstract heron]

I got a ton of refinery’s making now and Ofc I’ll spawn in the ore if I need some

[ornate saffron]

Gotta get that copper

[eager kayak]

man I love the new weather effects, and the vehicles are so much easier to use

[abstract heron]

Yes spawning in time 😀

That why me not playing 1.2

[eager kayak]

workin on getting sloops located for that right now actually!

[ornate saffron]

You need what?

144650 per minute?

[devout thunder]

Hey guys! I just switched to the experimental version and now next to the savename there is a triangle with an exclamation mark inside it. Does it mean anything or its just a warning about the experimental build?

[abstract heron]

Maybe idk I anit at my pc

[zenith pecan]

Is the save modded?

[abstract heron]

Hi

[devout thunder]

Yes, when I was using 1.1 I had some basic mods without any cheating mods

but now I removed them to play the experimental build

[eager kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/dna-productions-monkey-jimmy-neutron-gif-18339322251550410462

[zenith pecan]

mods, well some of them iirc can leave lingering effects within a game, so behaviour can be unpredictable, hence the ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️

[devout thunder]

Thanks for the help!

[abstract heron]

Time to make 100 nuclear pasta per minute

Am I INSANE

[zenith pecan]

Erk, a few too many for me haha, though It was weird making nuclear pasta for anything other than the space elevator.

[sudden anvil]

yes. 120k copper ingots is insane. Do it

[ornate saffron]

144650 copper ore lol. Love it

[sudden anvil]

~48k for pure. Just for the copper powder

• ~54 full pipes of water

[zenith pecan]

I finally replaced the old hypertube transport system with a teleport system, taking the old tunnels down took 11 hours.

[abstract heron]

11 hrs WOW

[zenith pecan]

The old tubes ran in tunnels all over the map.

[modest nest]

Why not just leave the tubes up?

[abstract heron]

Are hyper tubes worth it and are u going for 1.2 or doing it?

[zenith pecan]

no need, not with a route available via the logistics tunnels and now the teleports offer instant travel, plus the old transit hub was gutted to put teleports in, instead of the old tube entrances.

[west jackal]

hypertubes are cool, but you need to build the cannon accelerators, or just the cannons in general

[zenith pecan]

I used to have a cannon network back in update 7, the engine change broke it beyond all repair.

[abstract heron]

I just use a mod called pak mod to fly fast all over the map

[zenith pecan]

Not really, that's why the old network got ripped out, plus the tubes hub was refitted into a teleport hub.

[west jackal]

cannons still work? i used to have cannon accelerators all around on my tube networks

[abstract heron]

And build in game

[west jackal]

im not into cheat mods like that

id rather build massive man cannons all over the map

xD

[abstract heron]

I anjt cheating with that mod

[zenith pecan]

I stopped using them in update 8, after a lot of testing, I found your accelerated speed would drop to normie speed after less than a kilometre.

[sudden anvil]

vanilla cheats

[ornate saffron]

Cheating is a relative term

[abstract heron]

Ags Ik but disabling achievements

[west jackal]

i fly way more than a kilometer without issue?

[zenith pecan]

#design-and-architecture message faster than flying the map.

[west jackal]

i mean, cheating is relative, but to me, a mod that just lets you fly everywhere defeats the purpose of an exploration centric game

[zenith pecan]

Different system, you're on about launchers which eject you through the air, mine were accelerators that kept you within a tube.

[abstract heron]

Among other things with that mod

[west jackal]

oh, yeah i did those too, i just had checkpoints every so often

[coarse path]

can anyone help me please, i send a #screenshots

[ornate saffron]

The game gives you fly as a game option. He just speeds it up

[abstract heron]

I just use it for fly and building

[coarse path]

@ornate saffron could you please help me?

[zenith pecan]

Too much effort in the end, that's why this system now operational makes transport so much easier #design-and-architecture message 🙂

[lone ferry]

anyone new tryna play wimmie on pc dm me

[tall lantern]

asking questions is better in a channel people can actually respond in, like #1038092680493801533 or, in this case, #satisfactory-experimental

[tall lantern]

#1201555265942724758

[abstract heron]

And sometimes during big platform I big use creative mode

[ornate saffron]

Maybe. If it's complex make a post in #1038092680493801533 then ping methere

[coarse path]

its only a question to change one small setting

havent seen rain ever since i updated to experimental

[ornate saffron]

Then just ask. No need to ping anyone ^-^

[coarse path]

my bad

its not too serious in the questions and help channel

but would like a small or short anser to it

[foggy heart]

Hey guys, how would I get SCIM to show my resource nodes if I use random resources?

[sudden anvil]

upload your save. it just works

[foggy heart]

Oh nice! Didnt even think of that lol

[sudden anvil]

was having issues yesterday with uranium, but it works fine now

[polar patio]

are trucks alot better in 1.2

[foggy heart]

I usually stop playing before i get t uranium anyway 😂 I've had like 6 playthroughs where I've unlocked trains and then felt overwhelmed and stopped playing

[cunning pier]

who knows when 1.2 get on not experimental ??

[tall lantern]

when it's ready

give it a few months

[polar patio]

its normally like 2-3 months

[foggy heart]

Think they said around mid summer iirc

[cunning pier]

ok so its chill

i want so bad to finaly get to uranium until they launch 1.2

[eager kayak]

we all are here lol

[cunning pier]

insane league

[sudden anvil]

node randomization should make nuclear quite a bit easier. uranium on stock map is all hidden in caves. random can't be worse

[eager kayak]

plot twist oops all uranium

[sudden anvil]

lol. If only the converter loops included uranium

uranium and sam only run

[random burrow]

are nodes random per save or static for every map? noticed ive only got two coal nodes and becoming a problem on phase 3

i seem to have more uranium than I do coal or the scanner is just not picking them up

[foggy heart]

Stupid question but where do I find my saved games? I wanna back up my 1.1 saves, but I've already updated to 1.2 (havent launched the game yet)

[bleak valley]

You spawn in and just die because your surrounded by it

[bleak valley]

Check the faq it has the file path

[foggy heart]

Hope its not too late

[fluid sapphire]

No, we are two different people

[eager kayak]

that'd be my luck why's it spicy

also i love how far i can fly just slide jumping now, almost flew off the map into a crater LMAO

[fluid sapphire]

Did they talk about how collisions are going to be handled for the new vehicle pathing at all? Did I miss something?

[west jackal]

oh absolutely, im not t9 though, i cant.

deafbringer and i have already spent over 15hrs working on aluminum plant and all it does so far is making 600? sheets a minute

[ornate saffron]

Ive spent four hours on my alum facility. All I got is a plateform. Not even a single machine lol

[west jackal]

you should see how big it is... its gonna be.. interesting to put walls up

[distant pilot]

The ability for nodes to be random didn’t exist until yesterday and is something you have to enable before starting a save

[west jackal]

He says fun... i said nightmare

[distant pilot]

Otherwise it’s the same every time

[west jackal]

but my MOST annoying thing is trying to run train tracks through those giant trees, there are so many of them, they are always in the way

[distant pilot]

And even with random nodes their positions aren’t changed, just the material that they are

[west jackal]

They actually added random nodes??!

[ornate saffron]

Just clip the rail through them

[distant pilot]

In the experimental branch currently

[west jackal]

i dont want a train to just run through the giant ass tree though

i want to try and make it look nice, so i was going to curve around the tree, but this still ends up wit them running through giant tree branches

[bleak valley]

Destroy the tree

[foggy heart]

how many uranium nodes are a good amount to have on a map? I've got 5 pure nodes and not sure cz I've never gotten that far before, but i dont want it to be a problem when im 500 hours in

[distant pilot]

Wait what?

[ruby island]

by default there are 0 pure nodes, so you're doing great lol

[sudden anvil]

Every map I've loaded seems to have exactly 5. Not sure if coincidence or rule.

[distant pilot]

Are you playing with the random nodes?

[foggy heart]

yeah

[ornate saffron]

Zero if you don't plan. On using them.

[distant pilot]

Well 5 pure nodes is probably close to the limit unless you picked “more advanced ores” or whatever that option is called

[foggy heart]

thanks for the wisdom bud

[foggy heart]

Oh okay cool, thank you !

[carmine ginkgo]

YES. just unlocked nitro rocket fuel recipe. now can upgrade my turbofuel powerplant to rocket fuel

[distant pilot]

For reference the vanilla map only has 2 normal and 3 impure nodes of the stuff, which is like a third of what you’ve got

[ornate saffron]

In reality it really depends on your goals. If you are going full ficsonium id be more concerned with the sam nodes

[west jackal]

i cant destroy it

[foggy heart]

No idea what that means but ive got 19 pure sam nodes

[west jackal]

wth

[foggy heart]

All nodes are pure btw

[west jackal]

is that a bug or a setting you picked

[foggy heart]

But power usage is x2 and spelevator parts is x10

[distant pilot]

Uranium becomes uranium waste, which can be made into plutonium and plutonium waste, which then becomes fisconium fuel and no waste

[ornate saffron]

Upgrade?

You mean demolish?

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> if Mikael is Gru, is Jason a minion or Dr. Nefario?

[little timber]

[carmine ginkgo]

nah. im going rocket fuel setup. i dont wanna do nuclear

[foggy heart]

its a setting

[minor cedar]

guys is 1.2 available for everyone or just some people?

[distant pilot]

…yea nuclear power is a pain compared to Factorio

[little timber]

Just fill your inventory with the waste and jump off of the world border

[foggy heart]

interesting...

[ornate saffron]

Ya, but you dont need turbo for nitro rocket fuel. So you wouldnt be upgrading right?

Am I missing something?

[leaden turret]

PC players

[minor cedar]

so players on steam?

[leaden turret]

have to switch to Experimental branch in steam/epic

[minor cedar]

ah how do i do that

[little timber]

I haven't even reached that yet and im worried about it

[distant pilot]

I’d advise not worrying yet

[little timber]

I get overwhelmed easily, been trying to finish my first turbo fuel powerplant for ages

[carmine ginkgo]

oh like that. yes im going to demolish my turbofuel refineries and make blenders to make rocketfuel

[distant pilot]

Frankly the challenge is getting all the different types of materials in one place moreso than the quantities

[little timber]

Ohhh

[ornate saffron]

Where are you making it?

[ornate saffron]

Like everything you just break it down into smaller bite sized chunks

[distant pilot]

Not to say it doesn’t take a lot of materials, but it’ll be stuff you’d be making for the space elevator anyway

[vital quest]

Does the ventilation bundle actually do anything?

[distant pilot]

Nope, purely visual

[carmine ginkgo]

on the left side of the map by the wate. with the 4 oil nodes

[vital quest]

Expected