satisfactory

[last bluff]

I will apply once I'm 70

Or once they open the young adult programmer position

[leaden turret]

https://jobs.coffeestain.com/jobs/7260283-junior-build-engineer

<@&370483737957236737> fyi;

About us:
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Oat Im Hree, made by Offee Stain North

[last bluff]

Written by a junior (using one of the "agents")

[spiral summit]

noticed that when you provoke a hostile creature it says unauthorised hostility

this implies that there is authorised hostility

[pine lark]

What is new in 1.2 besides the trailer video?

[wild hollow]

"Ficsit has alternative uses for all their employees"

[wild hollow]

Something about an alternate gamemode that may or may not be randomized ore spawns.

[spiral summit]

which ironically was stated previously that they wont add

[elfin smelt]

the authorized hostility is ADA killing you when you try to go out bounds

[ornate saffron]

there was a point when they said they wont add pipes too lol

[pine lark]

Yeah heard about that too if it is not changing purity of nodes in that area not a big news

Need mk3 pipes

[hazy topaz]

I just got the ||dimensional depot|| I thought that was supposed to be a late game item

[spiral summit]

need boats

[ornate saffron]

nah its mam bound

[golden warren]

Are there any glass floors or anything?
I wanted a glass 'roof' for my train tunnel..

[pine lark]

Actually S.A.M. is tier 9 ore however they made reachable early so people can have more fun.

[pine lark]

Check awesome shop

[ornate saffron]

again you can do all the sam parts with steel so its no biggy

[hazy topaz]

Oooh I can't believe I unlocked that but I can't even explode those stupid gas things.

[next ivy]

cuz it wouldnt help in end game yea

[ornate saffron]

there is in the frame bundle

[ornate saffron]

mam bound too

[pine lark]

Nobelisk

[hazy topaz]

What do I need to be able to explod them under which tree

[next ivy]

sulfur

[hazy topaz]

oh I havent found that yet

[ornate saffron]

sulfur. You gotta be like Kirk and put sulfur and coal into a pipe

[hazy topaz]

where can I find sulfur?

[spiral summit]

what does charlie kirk have anything to do with this

[next ivy]

everywhere

[ornate saffron]

did you start in the grasst plains?

[hazy topaz]

yur

[ornate saffron]

Capt James T Kirk

[normal orbit]

tbf they also said they wouldnt add fluids, inputs on bioburners and ore conversions. and yet here we are :p

[pine lark]

It would be very cool if we could use drones for air strike

[next ivy]

south east

[ornate saffron]

south no far from a pure coal nide

[spiral summit]

not adding fluids is insane though

[normal orbit]

yea, was back in very early early access

[golden warren]

Thanks ,found the glass floors!
What about 45 degree glass?

Shame I can't just tilt the honeycomb wall 45...

[hazy topaz]

Found the pure node

[ornate saffron]

there is a roof material for glass. tha agnled roofs are your best bet

[normal orbit]

check the roof sections

[hazy topaz]

now I just need to look around and find the sulfur

[ornate saffron]

#screenshots message

[hazy topaz]

HAHA FOUND IT!!

[feral jay]

Man it's fun playing the game with someone who's got the attention span of a ten year old... because he's ten years old lol

[spare prism]

[ornate saffron]

🍝

[cold berry]

I wish I had this game at 10.

I just had the stupid mods it was based on

[ornate saffron]

when i was 10 i played NES Zelda... which is 40 y/o now....

[spare prism]

[hazy topaz]

I finally made ze nobelisks

[ornate saffron]

boom

[hazy topaz]

no more of that green gas being a pain

[foggy mural]

💥

[kind lagoon]

salut jai trouver un petit bugpour rejoindre quelquun en partie sur steam si lhebergeur demarre apres que tu est lancer le jeu tu ne vois jamais son serveur apparaitre sois il faut fermer le jeu ou aller sur steam pour rejoindre

[coral marsh]

I really should've stuck to French class 😭

[normal vale]

man I kinda wish I knew what that guy said it looks like its probably interesting

[normal orbit]

#rules btw

[normal vale]

I thought you were dinging me with the rules I was really confused for a minute ngl

[normal orbit]

lol na, it just states english only there

[coral marsh]

I can make out/understand a little bit of French, but I am in no way fluent

[normal vale]

from my minimal attention span in french class its something about having issues with I think the steam cloud

[coral marsh]

I wish learning languages worked like it does in "the matrix" I'd very happily buy 10 language programs

[normal vale]

hold on lemme google translate and see how accurate I am

[coral marsh]

Yes, I gathered that too, a lil

I was just going to do the same thing lol

[feral jay]

"Dude, I know kung fu!"

That was one of the best lines

[normal vale]

"Hi, I found a small bug when trying to join someone in a Steam game. If the server starts after you launch the game, you never see it appear. You either have to close the game or go to Steam to join." is the english translation

[coral marsh]

If we could learn info the way they do in those movies, I would have gotten 15Doctoratss by now and id be fluent in 15 languages

[coral marsh]

Personally, love French as a language

[normal vale]

I want to help that guy but I just know that the english to french translation is going to mess up so bad and its going to be completely unintelligable

[coral marsh]

Yup

[surreal ingot]

Imma be making 3300 alclad sheets per minute

[unkempt blade]

Just do a studying montage and you're all set. No need to sci fi

[surreal ingot]

14 train stations btw

[coral marsh]

Yea, issue is, I lack discipline for things not involving tech.

[surreal ingot]

To unload

[timber plover]

that is completely unnecessary but still cool

[coral marsh]

Yup

[coral marsh]

1 train, 14 cars, 2 trains 7 cars. Personally, id go for option 1

[surreal ingot]

Each train has two cars because I have steep inclines

[unkempt blade]

1:4 works for any incline if you want to consolidate those at all

[surreal ingot]

And im using 7 bauxite and coal nodes

[normal vale]

I try to stay active on this channel to understand things and help people but once anybody tries explaining anything past phase 4 (which I have not yet beat) my brain turns to mush

[coral marsh]

Before I deleted 170hrs from my first world, I had a train with 6 cars on a very steep incline

Never dropped below 60kph

[surreal ingot]

Its a long ride so the station will fill up if it takes that long
Leads to lots of long trains

[coral marsh]

Fair then

[cold berry]

Trains scare me

[unkempt blade]

number of cars isn't going to be the limit, it's the ratio of locomotives to freight cars

[surreal ingot]

Also im only making 60 canisters per minute

[viscid rune]

do the trains follow factorio ratios or are the tenders more powerful?

[coral marsh]

I just remembered, I need to get to work on my "death train" 1 train that carries all the uranium in the map, and thorium (mod)

[surreal ingot]

On the way down to the factory the trains reach 190kph

[ornate saffron]

fml. Just laid down 58 constructers..... all backawards

[feral jay]

The record is like, mach 1.5

[coral marsh]

Same, im hoping/trying to hit/pass 200kph

[timber plover]

random question, but will the train struggle more if the freight cars are full..or does it not change anything

[feral jay]

ouch

[coral marsh]

Thats insane lol

[coral marsh]

I'd actually like to know as well, if weight is in the game or not

[feral jay]

Look up "The Train Wars" on the subreddit or youtube

[timber plover]

yeah, i've never thought about it either lol...according to google AI thing it does...but I don't trust that thing

[cold berry]

So like, what are the cool sleek lights everyone uses on their builds? All I have is ceiling and flood lights

[ornate saffron]

as far as i know. Weight is not considered just Engine to fright cars

[cold berry]

Is it just a later tier?

[feral jay]

As far as trains go, yes, it matters.

[jagged nymph]

theyre using signs

emission level 3, solid color background

[normal orbit]

yes, full cars affect speed, but if you keep it to 1 locomotive to 4 cars its negated

[cold berry]

Thank you. Well, that'll help me out. I wouldn't have thought of that lol

[jagged nymph]

is there a maximum amount of cars in one train 🤔 ive never had more than like 4

[ornate saffron]

lightg controller and signs

[viscid rune]

is push/pull a concern or no?

[normal orbit]

actually i dunno if full matters, but if there is a box on the car, it will affect it

[coral pilot]

the experimental of 1.2 is soon but how long does it usually take after the experimental for the update to actually come out?

[feral jay]

Not negated, they still speed up slower and it limits the incline they can climb, but 4 cars to 1 engine generally makes everything doable

[coral pilot]

i wanna know if i should wait with playing till post update or just keep going (still in phase 1)

[weak bloom]

I can use belt throughput to "load balance" right?
e.g. if I want 2 480 to become 3 300
split 1 into 2x240
split the other into 60 + 60 + 360 by having 2 outputs of the splitter be mk1 belts
merge a 60 into the 240s
this would work?

like the splitter has "infinite" throughput and it would put 360 into the last output of the splitter that has the mk1 belts?

[unkempt blade]

I think it'd affect acceleration but not top speed but I'm not 100% sure

[normal orbit]

yea it should work

[cold berry]

I just started getting into slightly more advanced build techniques in vanilla, and also downloaded a suite of extra buildables I thought fit with vanilla. Now I'm so excited to design lol

[viscid rune]

Does pushing/sandwiching/pulling affect the speeds of the train at all?
by sandwiching I mean specifically
c-c-c-c-t-t-c-c-c-c
rather than
t-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-t

[normal orbit]

you need an engine in front

[weak bloom]

I think the location of the second engine doesn't matter but you need one in front

[normal orbit]

and if you want speed its 1 engine to 4 cars, the other engines can be anywhere

[viscid rune]

Sweet.

[cold berry]

Tangy.

A little salty.

[normal vale]

just found out if you run into glass it makes a thunk sound

[cold berry]

I play with no sound

So It's just the sound of me slapping myself in the face for running into the glass

And screaming really loud, hitting my desk

Spitting up from stress

Probably the sound of me blacking out and hitting the floor

[normal orbit]

got curious and tested it, made this setup: #screenshots message then timed train from the beep of leaving station to docking in the end. one train full one empty. the time was exaktly same. the only variance is my own stopping of the stopwatch

[ornate saffron]

I just spent 20 minutes tracking down a issue....... the belt mounted to the ceiling ratrher then into the merger....

[normal orbit]

so acceleration is not affected

[weak bloom]

I think it is affected but it's capped, and if you're at 1 engine per 4 cars then you're at cap for any inclines that you can realistically build

if you did 1 engine 6 cars then you might see a difference between empty and full

[normal orbit]

yea that was my initial point, if you keep it to 1 engine to 4 cars, them beign full or not doesnt matter

[ornate saffron]

if you need more through put put another train on the line

[normal orbit]

also trains can apparently do 180 degree turns now :)

[reef basin]

you can, in some cases. Won't always work and I wouldn't recommend belt balancing anyway

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message just...

[feral jay]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Freight_Car#Weight

[normal orbit]

yea so the wiki supports my findings :p

[zealous urchin]

neko neko neko

[normal orbit]

train + 4 full cars is 700, less than 800 to be affected

[weak bloom]

it's mainly because I'm limited by mk4 belts and am probably trying to do things on a scale that's slightly bigger than I should be at this stage lol
e.g. I have 900 input into a line of 15 machines so it can't be divided evenly. if I had better belts I'd just manifold it
or if I had better belts I could do 600 300 and also make it easier, but yeah

[normal orbit]

another idea is to look up a 2 to 3 load balancer

also just noticed you said 2 480s, they will not be even down to 3 300s, would be 3 320s

[weak bloom]

2 480 into 3 300 and a spare 60

[coral pilot]

is it worth starting a run of satisfactory right now or should i wait till the 1.2 release?

[weak bloom]

and yeah if I'm not using that spare 60 then it'll get backed up and make the numbers a bit off, but it's an ore belt so eh that's fine

[ornate saffron]

We dont know whjen we will get it. If you are jonesing to play start now. Worst case you backup your save and move to experimental come march 17th

[normal orbit]

might be an idea to wait until 17th to see what 1.2 will bring, but could just play around for fun

[ornate saffron]

add a smart splitter before the three way split set to overflow. and shunt the 60 to a sink until you need irt

[weak bloom]

I wish sinks were smaller lol, I'm starting to have a lot of random overflow in a lot of parts of my plans now

[oblique hound]

updates aren't breaking nowadays, so starting a save now won't matter because you can still carry it over. the only reason i could see waiting is if you want to check out the new 'gamemode' in 1.2, but that's up to you

[weak bloom]

trying to minimize that is part of why I'm scaling things up like this, probably more work than is worth at this stage of the game but it's fun so whatever xD

[ornate saffron]

I just plan out Exact numbers OR make my facilities with sinks in mind

[normal orbit]

mikael did say we might have a reason to restart in 1.2

[weak bloom]

how long will 1.2 be on experimental until it goes to live? and I assume it won't break anything once it goes to live?

[ornate saffron]

with new ways to play

[normal orbit]

1.1 was there for 2.5 months or so

[ornate saffron]

st patties day. Backup before joining experemental incase is does break.

They swore on stream to Push this point across

[weak bloom]

I probably won't bother with experimental tbh, stil have so much to do

unless there's some crazy qol or something

[normal orbit]

yea, cuz theres been a fair amount of folk who went on experimental, then found it too buggy and went back to stable and their save was bricked :) its why they keep mentioning it

[ornate saffron]

I feel any QOL will be hampered by bugs lol.

I dont have patients for that. I breed enough of my own issues lol

[white dawn]

Any crazy qol on experimental will eventually land on Public anyway. :D

[normal orbit]

theres a fair chunk of bugs there right now

[ornate saffron]

mmmm warm hugs

[normal orbit]

most annoying one being build tool doesnt remember category last used

[shell galleon]

how to fix this 0 UNDEF thing

[ornate saffron]

0 undef?

did you check #1038092680493801533 for your bug?

[normal orbit]

kinda sounds like a mod thing

[elder oracle]

should I rebuild my factory somewhere else

and where should I rebuild it

[normal orbit]

what about second factory

[elder oracle]

I could do that

[hollow hemlock]

And third, and forth

[fickle wraith]

Hello Is this game still updated? Apart from bug fixes?

[normal orbit]

#announcements

[swift turret]

@jaunty blade I would suggest checking out TotalXclipse video on train beginners

[covert quarry]

can you use multiple trucks for 1 truck station?

[swift turret]

yeah

[normal orbit]

yea, just make sure the paths arent crossing, cause they love to get gridlocked :p

[cunning glade]

Wait fuck

I just realized I can't do all of the aluminum on the map cuz I don't have 1200 belts

And the 12300 a min is with 1200 belts

I hate this

[normal orbit]

you can build it as if you did, you only need the 1200 belt coming out of the miner, rest can be done wiht mk5s, then as you get t6 just upgrade the one from miners and it runs. i did this for mine

[jagged nymph]

you can always build the infrastructure out and then just upgrade the belts when you unlock them

[cunning glade]

I mean true but that's so much less satisfying

[jagged nymph]

i mean you do you

[cursive spindle]

how tf people build without ruining the systems

[normal orbit]

it was nice when i upgraded it and it ran at 100% once i got t6 tho with just replacing a bunch of belts to train stations :p

[jagged nymph]

wdym

[cunning glade]

Tho the cheap silica factory will be pretty neat cuz that's 500 assemblers for just silica

So ig it'll be fine

[tender jetty]

just logged into my world thats i havent played in like 3 months and im completely lost lmao

[cursive spindle]

like if im doing something good looking the things inside wont work properly. when i build a huge cube it became the worst looking but best performing thing. like my current factory

[jagged nymph]

ohh i only build concrete cubes

[cunning glade]

Either u build the machines first or the building and architecture they go in but thens there's the challenge of making it all work

[cursive spindle]

like i build a 2 floor 22x22 cube and a 30x30 5 FLOOR CUBE and its barely enough

[cunning glade]

Why build in cubes

Only cubed building should be hmf

So u can make it look like hmf

I tend too start with a cube but I branch out in different sections before building up

[cursive spindle]

whats hmf

[jagged nymph]

i build a large concrete slab. When i run out of space, i go up, i continue till im done. At the end, it ends up a roughly cube shaped thing

[jagged nymph]

heavy modular frame

[cunning glade]

Heavy modular frames

I'm starting too second guess if 50 a min is enough

I could sloop for like 100 or I could completely rebuild the factory

[cursive spindle]

i builded a 30x30 5 floor cube yk. İTS LOOKS RİDİCİLOUS FROM THE OUTSİDE inside İTS STİLL EMPTY but when its full with maachines its like heaven. and yk the center is always blank wich makes me crashout

[reef basin]

50 HMF/min is way more than you'll use most likely

[covert quarry]

yea but takes so much time to build, aim for 25 then sloop it to get 50 a min

[frosty sedge]

I should be making a little bit of everything right other than reinforced plates

[cunning glade]

According too tools I needed about 70 something a min

[cursive spindle]

look i have my vision for hmf

its working

[jagged nymph]

im making 10/m and its plenty 😭

[cursive spindle]

for now

[reef basin]

you won't build that fast to use 70/min

[cunning glade]

Tho I was still fucking around with it a lot I have no clue how too properly setup my nuclear chain

[cursive spindle]

everyTHİNG shold have their OWN THİNG

thats my vision

[covert quarry]

look in screenshots

[cunning glade]

I wanna make 112 ficsonium rods

[reef basin]

well then you don't need the HMFs as output, but instead you need them as part of the factory

[covert quarry]

bro supercomputer is far worse than heavy modular frames

[cunning glade]

My main concern is having enough resources left on the map for it

[cunning glade]

I just drone them in

Big factory makes hmf drones bring them too fused or too where ever is needed

[tender jetty]

the complexity gets so crazy even just trying to complete stage 3. How do you keep track of everything?

[reef basin]

yeah but "I need 70 HMFs" usually means "as final product" not "as part of other production"

[cunning glade]

30 of them are already gonna be used for 30 pasta a min slooped too 60b

[cunning glade]

No it needs them for the pasta and the pressure cubes for whatever bullshit needed that

It needing pressure cubes too is annoying

I do like that pasta is used in it that's cool

[normal orbit]

you can just not use the plutonium fuel units if you dont like it :p

[cunning glade]

Supercomputers is easy tho tools said I needed more but I'm starting with 20 a min

[deft drum]

Drone fuel or sink it

[cunning glade]

But perfect nuclear loop

And the cool way plutonium is lame

What I really don't understand is the goddamm 56 ai expansion servers I get as a bi product

I think it's cuz it wants all the dark matter liquid stuff

[deft drum]

Lmfao

[cunning glade]

But like 56 is ridiculous

I didn't expect nuclear too be this stupid I really should've looked into it way sooner

[normal orbit]

you can recycle the darkmatter from the ficsonium fuel rods into the ficsonium production and cover half of it (all of it if slooping).

[cunning glade]

Cuz it also seems too want 3k plastic and like 2k rubber

Which is half my plastic I'm currently making

Tho I haven't added everything in already making so it might be possible

[cunning glade]

I see def gonna sloop cuz like

I'm gonna be using near all the coal on the map same with quartz and oil

[normal orbit]

need some sloops for the trigon production :p

[cunning glade]

Technically yes

I also have a modded miner

Which Ill prolly avoid using

But I hate how resource limited I am

[jagged nymph]

artificial somersloop

[cunning glade]

Actually have a mod I can buy them for 20 coupons

[jagged nymph]

that seems kinda op

[cunning glade]

I mean I could just dupe them for free so

[normal orbit]

yea could do alot more fun things if we had like 50% more sam and sulfur :p

[jagged nymph]

thats not intended though. If youre just gonna dupe then you may as well use the mod, and vice versa

[cunning glade]

Hence the mk5 miner I think it's called

It does 960 base and has 2 outputs so

Curious yet still phase 8 and I haven't unlocked it

[jagged nymph]

the what now

[cunning glade]

Not really coupons get expensive

They slow down in production in especially early game would kinda be a waste with how easily u can find them

[jagged nymph]

yeah but its still alot

like 1000 tickets is 50 sloops

[cunning glade]

Modded miner for more ore if I'd like

[mental wraith]

How am I supposed to put the craburant in my inventory? For the jetpack

[cunning glade]

That's the point

[jagged nymph]

the what now?

[cunning glade]

I wanted it too be expensive

[mental wraith]

??

[jagged nymph]

no im saying thats alot of extra sloops

[reef basin]

yeah but when you say "I need HMFs", people assume you need them for final product

[jagged nymph]

the fuck is a craburant

[jagged nymph]

i dont

[mental wraith]

Fuel ??

[deft drum]

What flavor of fuel bro

[jagged nymph]

why did you say craburant then 😭

[mental wraith]

French ☠️

[jagged nymph]

oh

[mental wraith]

My game is in french lol

[deft drum]

My condolences

[jagged nymph]

ew

[jagged nymph]

you put it in your inventory

[normal orbit]

i dont either, if they need a large amount of something, i assume its to make something else and they doing it step by step

[mental wraith]

Let me send you a picture

[mental wraith]

Can't

[distant pilot]

and you just swap languages mid-sentence when typing?

[cunning glade]

Mon téléphone a la fonction de traduction automatique, donc je peux simplement devenir français.

[jagged nymph]

packaged fuel-> grab it-> its in ur inventory

[distant pilot]

I know it can be a thing when talking out loud with two languages so im not judging

[mental wraith]

Check Dms

[deft drum]

Need to package the liquid fuels, only jetpack fuel that isn't liquid is the solid biofuel (and it's the worst)

[mental wraith]

And answer here

[jagged nymph]

you have to package the fuel

[mental wraith]

How

[deft drum]

Use a packager building

[cunning glade]

Do packagers cause bad preformace?

[mental wraith]

I haven't unlocked that yet mmh

[deft drum]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Packager

[cunning glade]

I swear they're unoptimized

[normal orbit]

no more than any other machine

[cunning glade]

My like 3k plastic factory has them and it's so laggy

[mental wraith]

Okay, I see, I need to unlock it, thanks everyone :)

[tame iron]

can anyone help me make a good source of tickets, i have teir 6 unlocked

[mental wraith]

Personally, I send all the excess from my main storage area to ticket conversion

[jagged nymph]

sink space elevator parts you dont need anymore

and make sure you have an overflow sink on all your depot parts

[tame iron]

so like versitile framework? also what is overflow

[normal orbit]

everything you make, sink the excess

[jagged nymph]

like add an awesome sink to all your demensional depot parts as an overflow

so when the storage fills up it goes into the sink

[normal orbit]

overflow is a setting on smart splitters

place em infron of a storage, so once storage is full items output on the overflow port into an awesome sink

[tame iron]

ohhh

[normal orbit]

do it for every production line you have, and tickets will just build up as you play

[tame iron]

thats ssmart thanks

[nocturne nebula]

guys I forget ... how many coal gens does 120pm feed pls?

[normal orbit]

8

15/each

[nocturne nebula]

thanks 🙂

[normal orbit]

and 45 sippy

[digital basalt]

Starting a new playthrough, wanna use GRN, any recommedations for a place to put down base and keep it? Flatter and Beautiful the better 😄

[normal orbit]

grn?

[digital basalt]

Global Rail Network, its a megaprint u can inject into your save.

[nocturne nebula]

the flat sections of the dunes

NW

[untold zealot]

Is there a way to track smaller quartz amounts on the map? The game seems to imply I'm a bit above my head heading for the nodes the ping returns, but I'd still want some for the foot item (Roller blades I think its called?)

[nocturne nebula]

those PITA ones in caves

[digital basalt]

Blade runners 😉

[nocturne nebula]

I can never find the entrances, lol

[rugged rune]

is steel rotor alt good or reroll?

[stoic nebula]

am i the only one who doesn't like the generic color for the constructors?

[normal orbit]

you can paint em :p

[fluid sapphire]

change the default swatch

[frosty sedge]

Need a little amount of quartz get small miners u can get like 1k with zero set up quickly

[normal orbit]

||if you just want some blade runner, head to the lizard doggo cave at golden coast :)||

[jagged nymph]

where even are the blade runners in there

i couldnt find them, only the zapper and helmet

[normal orbit]

on one of the higher ledges

[south sinew]

making your own blades is pretty easy really

[deft drum]

Just find the nearest quartz slap a couple handheld miners on it and get 2 stacks of quartz

Then it's just 13 modular frames

[feral jay]

OMG I just had the sickest burn for my nephew... "I've been playing this game since you were in diapers, kid!"

Which is funny because it's true lol

[leaden turret]

nephew plays uno reverse card

[south sinew]

are you sure that you burned him? because it sure sounds like you're just calling yourself old

[feral jay]

Both can be true

[leaden turret]

-# I'm implying at some point your nephew would say "I've been playing this since you were in diapers"

[normal orbit]

snrk

[novel bison]

is cross play like a thing

in this game

[normal orbit]

kiiiinda. steam and epic can play and xbox and ps5 can play togehter, but pc cannot play with console

[feral jay]

okay, that's funny. You win thirty seven internet points

[solid grail]

👏 🫡

[weary latch]

@vapid linden #screenshots message only real way to enjoy this game /j

[muted tapir]

i've got 12 coal power plants in a line with 180 coal going to them with mk2 belts

only the first 3 are efficient and the end plants are running out of coal, this is an issue with the belt feed rate right?

would making 3 rows of 4 improve the efficiency or do i need mk3 belts?

[solid grail]

Mk.2 belt only moves 120 items/min. If you are stuck on Mk.2 split the belts. If you have unlocked Mk.3 Belts, use them instead.

[west jackal]

Why do people build looped hyper cannons instead of a straight one? How do you know when to release?

[muted tapir]

i dont have mk3 yet but its my next milestone, im not close to the cap with 3 coal factories so i think im gonna wait, i just want to know how to prevent this next time

2 rows of 6 would also fix the issue right? 6 factories using 15 coal = 90?

[proven snow]

Should yeah

[solid grail]

2 rows of 6 (90 coal/min each) is perfect for mk.2 belts.

[proven snow]

Just make sure you’re bringing each belt directly from the ore miner. Meaning you need to have two miners

And that each miner actually makes 90 or more

[muted tapir]

I've got 3 miners currently, could have 4 when i blow up the rock covering it

I'm at the lake north of green fields -825 1685

[solid grail]

If you put 2 power shards into a normal coal miner, it'll output 120/min. That perfectly fills a mk.2 belt.

Allowing you to run 8 generators off a single node.

[peak wasp]

Early game is probably the hardest part of satisfactory ngl

[ivory zinc]

The node isnt normal

[ivory zinc]

Are we delusional

[solid grail]

🤣

[muted tapir]

the nodes im using are all normal haha

[peak wasp]

When ur bottleneck is foundations and not having enough concrete

[muted tapir]

i try to avoid impure atm, feel like theres no point with mk1 miners

[ivory zinc]

You start the game first thing you do is slam down 3 concrete miners and ball

[west jackal]

Wtf? 2 belts of 90? Why not do 2 belts of 120? Thats 8 gens per belts, which fits on mk2 belts, and is perfect for the ammount of water

Didn't see luuc, was responding to someone else

[ivory zinc]

Why are we having this discussion? Setup a small steelfactory for mk3 belts and then do coal

[muted tapir]

Ive only got 3 nodes so I'm capped at 180 p/m

[west jackal]

Nah coal first, then steel, then upgrade coal power from 16 gens to 80

[west jackal]

Overclock?

[ivory zinc]

No

[muted tapir]

yeah, didn't think of that until somone above mentioned it lol

it's my second playthrough ever so making mistakes 😂

[ivory zinc]

Small steelfactory for mk3 belts and mk2 miners then do coal.

[muted tapir]

i feel like i'm not gonna be able to get all the coal gens in this area but i have no idea how tractors work yet so i think i'm gonna cross country conveyor

[ivory zinc]

You can easily fits 32+ coalgens there

[west jackal]

Sorry! Wasn't trying to be mean. 3 normal nodes will be 810 coal, but I would recommend just doing 720 so you can do 48 coal gens. Easy peasy

Thats just 3 mk2 miners at 200%

[muted tapir]

810 coal? this is with miners higher than mk1?

Ah yeah

[west jackal]

Yes, mk2 is soon after getting coal

[solid grail]

Most people do exactly that for their first coal setup.

[west jackal]

3 mk2 at 200% on normal is 720, that gives you 48 gens, or 3600 MW

[muted tapir]

nice. i just need to find an ocean. any tips for land traversal? i've got the skates but that's only a minor improvement, especially uphill

[next ivy]

power poles

cheap versatile and decently fast

[ivory zinc]

For?

[muted tapir]

is that with the zipline thing? i need more caterium but i was eying it

[muted tapir]

space for coal, if i can build 80 with mk2 i might as well future proof right?

[solid grail]

You can craft the zipline tool to zipline on the power poles.

[ivory zinc]

I mean the lake is 100 percent enpugh

Enough*

[ornate saffron]

in general there is no neeed to furute proof. Espically Coal power. generally ppl move on from coal pretty quickly

[ivory zinc]

Yea

[muted tapir]

thanks for all of the advice, calling it for the night but will see what i can do when im next playing

[ornate saffron]

that isnt me saying dont do it btw. If you enjoy it do it lol

[next ivy]

i think 40 coal plants are decent

[solid grail]

Coal is your starter power. By the time you actually need the power of 80 coal generators, you'll have unlocked oil.

[jade storm]

Finally completed phase 2

[solid grail]

Nice

[west jackal]

80? 80 generators?

[wise junco]

don't make more coal gens than you really need. you'll experience exponential power growth soon

[west jackal]

Nah, I need 128 this playthrough.

I actually need way more im maxing my grid

[jade storm]

I gotta clean up my conveyors and stuff. Its so messy

[west jackal]

Im gonna have to run 20GW fuel plant off battery

I decided to go small for fuel this time

So i can jump to turbo fuel easily

[ornate saffron]

I find that a odd choice. Id rather go big on fuel and skip turbo and goi straightto Nuclear or Nitro rocket fuel

[next ivy]

sir

those 2 are not at the same stage

[west jackal]

I normally do 60 GW of dpf but wanted something new, you think 30GW is enough to hit nitro?

[next ivy]

they can be hours apart

[ornate saffron]

both end game fuels

[wise junco]

i hit nitro rocket fuel with only 14 GW in the banks

[cold berry]

65 overclockers. Fuck yeah. Went on a slug hunt.

[next ivy]

now sloop your slug machines

[cold berry]

IDK what that means but I just found a weird purple thing with that name

[next ivy]

[cold berry]

Yeah it looks like a grade school meme

That thing

[wise junco]

with proper research, it can double output of most machines

[cold berry]

Nice!

[next ivy]

so double the power shards from slugs

[ornate saffron]

the cool S yes....

"somehow familiar shape"

[fickle cape]

@cold berry jst bare in mind adding a somersloop to a machine quadruples the power needed

They are called Mobius Stripes, fyi

hope i spelt that right

[ornate saffron]

Yup E=MC² or MC²=E

[west jackal]

Im already using like 10GW

Before fuel

[ornate saffron]

more

[tranquil zinc]

do floor holes reset headlift?

like if my water tower is on the roof, but it passes through multiple junctions and floor holes, will it reset headlift?

[ornate saffron]

No. It resets at every pump though

[tranquil zinc]

so that is no problem for building filled with fuel generators then?

[wise junco]

nope, just did something similar

[ornate saffron]

Uh l, loaded question. I'd say make sure you are feeding machines from above

[tranquil zinc]

Well, the main pipe will enter through the roof of the building, but every floor each generator will be filled using a floor hole though

if it does not reset headlift then that does not matter right?

[wise junco]

I recommend if feeding from below, give the pipe some room in front. the "gulpiness" of fluids will get ya on a tight little floor bend

[cold berry]

I know what a Mobius strip is, never put it together that the Gangsta S (what we called it in my elementary school, I know it had different names) is one technically lol

[ornate saffron]

So gravity will pull the fluids down feeding the lowest machines first.

The way you are planning is usually hard to pull off.

Good luck

[tranquil zinc]

well it will first fill top floor, then next floor, then next floor going down

but for each and ever floor, it will go through a logistic floor

[cold berry]

Computers I think are too much for my factory. I didn't know what I was doing when I started, I'm just good at these kinds of games so my base looked okay.

Now it's a mess. The final tier of constructor is so big. It barely fits in a 3 tall room. And 3-4 inputs. Oof

I'm gonna start my second factory

[weak bloom]

8 tall room is the sweet spot

it fits refineries and you can subdivide it into a 4 tall room for normal machines

[cold berry]

Plus I a few mods because I was like 100+ hours in and I wanted to try some

[tranquil zinc]

Like this, 10th floor is main pipe entrance --> go to 8th floor logistics with pipe junction--> half will go to 9th floor generators via floor hole/half will go to 7th floor logistics

and so on

if head lift does not reset, then all the pipes here have 10th floor of headlift right?

[cold berry]

I think I'll just make an 8 tall corner of my next factory for refineries because I don't like needlessly tall rooms in my builds. Other people make them look good, but, it just becomes a decorator nightmare for me. But thanks for the tip, now I'll make it 4 high floors and make one room on the end that uses 8 for refineries

That'll go sick

Maybe I'll make it 7 so the smokestack sticks out a little? That may look cool

Like I'm venting the gases out

[weak bloom]

I think your issue might be if the 9th floor pipe also goes to like, 8th floor machines. if you have one pipe feeding only one floor then I think it should be fine, because all those machines will feed at the same rate since they're at the same level
issues might happen if the same pipe feeds multiple machines at different levels....?

but also if all the pipes are full I don't see how this would have issues

[wise junco]

unlike belts, I've understood it that machines consume fluids in gulps, not individual pieces. so, if the pipe immediately before it is empty (e.g., a floor hole bending straight into a machine) it can create air pockets that are harder to manage than feeding from above and letting gravity do the work

like sipping out of a cup at the top vs poking a hole in the bottom

[cold berry]

So like, would it be a good idea in my next factory to have one dedicated floor for first process parts (iron rods, plates, screws, wires, cables-anything that only uses the first crafter) and then feed those onto the second floor which has the second assembler and so on? I think that'll be my mega factory strategy.

[silent meteor]

Its been a year and three months. ImKibitz has finally finished his massive nuclear power plant. Lol.

[west jackal]

Well all of that is personal preference. Good idea is up to the creator:)

I tend to like doing that. But absolutely not needed

[wispy osprey]

As long as the fluids start up and go down

It's harder to work with fluids if you move them up

[cold berry]

Another dumb question; a manifold is okay for processes with

1: constant flow rate

2: You don't care if it takes a second to warm up, or you don't mind priming it by putting raw material in yourself

Yeah?

[wispy osprey]

That's typically how you do manifold designs yes

It's highly recommended to prime the system

Otherwise exact math systems (ones you calculate to be prefect) will never fill

[cold berry]

Cool cool. So load Bearers are more for parts that don't have a constant flow rate. So an example would be that ingots are fine for most manifolds because you have a constant, steady stream of them. But a computer would be horrible for a high speed assembly manifold.

For instance.

[wispy osprey]

Load balancing*

[cold berry]

Load balancing* yeah, my phone typo'd

[wispy osprey]

Manifolds are easier to design. Upgrading a load balancer requires rebuilding the process, you need to get it right the first time

[wise junco]

I load balance in small setups and manifold in big ones, but that's just my preference

[wispy osprey]

They also have a tendency to take up a lot of space yes

[cold berry]

I have the mod with modular ones. I made one for real, went "if this were a real factory this would not be how they do it", and then downloaded a mod ASAP.

[wispy osprey]

You'll learn to hate refineries because of just how many you need to make a prefect system

[cold berry]

So I know how they work and how to make one, I just use the modular load balancer mod tho

[wispy osprey]

If i could mod the game I'd download one that made fluids less annoying to work with, but this will change in vanilla game eventually

[unkempt blade]

they're going to be even more perfect than they already are in 1.2 because we'll get the fluid truck

[wise junco]

why do you feel like they're annoying to work with?

[dense violet]

.... aren't you the person who actively acknowledged that you knowingly choose bad ways to use fluids?

[wise junco]

voting for fluid factory cart

[dense violet]

over and over?

[wispy osprey]

I dunno, I feel like fueling trucks is a monotonous process

[unkempt blade]

That would make them EVEN MORE perfect. We should lobby the CMs

[unkempt blade]

because you do them once then they're automated to do it for you forever?

[wispy osprey]

I did learn to use more efficient designs yeah. But they're not as prefect as I want them to be. If that makes sense

If you want to continue to spotlight me and call me out go ahead

[dense violet]

I'm just pointing out that I've shown you exactly the problems in your designs and you essentially went 'but this is the FUN way to do it! I don't care if it works well or easily!'

[unkempt blade]

What's less than perfect about them at the moment?

[dense violet]

at this point you're basically someone going 'I wish they made nails easier to work with' as you try to hammer them with a screw driver

[jagged nymph]

fluids do have some strange quirks that arent explained in the game that the average player finds very confusing

[unkempt blade]

I like my scrammer, it fits in my pocket easier

[wispy osprey]

That's what I'm trying to get across but cobalt insists on putting me in a spotlight

[dense violet]

because I've actively worked with you several times on your fluid problems explaining to you the specific issues and wh ythings were the way they are

you are not ignorant of these facts, you were directly head butting against them with full knowledge

[jagged nymph]

i dont think fluids need to be changed but i do think that they are unintuitive

[wise junco]

I'm in the minority here I suppose...I think fluids are pretty simple

[dense violet]

Its like I was teaching you how to drive a manual car and hearing you grind the gear box over and over

because you liked the sound of it

[unkempt blade]

We need a mk3 pipe and more vehicles that can carry fluids. Like why is there no fluid drone?

[jagged nymph]

theres just a lot of issues with fluids where you did your math right, set stuff up in a way that should work (eg. enough headlift, your pipes can carry enough throuput) but it still doesnt work

[wispy osprey]

Junctions don't need storage

Pressure, density, and indicators showing how gravity effects it should be shown in game

[jagged nymph]

yeah a 1000/m pipe would be cool

idk what material it would use though

maybe like alclad sheets? but belts already use that

[unkempt blade]

honestly I just want it because it would make everyone who has issues right now with mk2 pipes completely feral

[dense violet]

it's shape and layout - and there's very simple steps to manage it

if you keep it simple it's very simple

[jagged nymph]

yeah, again im not saying it should be changed, its just confusing sometimes

especially since alot of the quirks with fluids arent explained in the game, so alot of players never know about it

for example priority inputs on verticle junctions

[dense violet]

all the behaviour basically comes from 1) wanting to move down 2) trying to move to the less fill sections
there is a bit to it though

[unkempt blade]

That's one of the great parts about using a cartifold to move your liquids. The fluid network behind each packager is as simple as it can get

[jagged nymph]

cartifold?

[dense violet]

yeah VIPs are essentially an exploit, they are not part of proper mechanics and if you use them and have issues thats something you wilingly step in

[dense violet]

just carry the fluid in your coffee cup

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's like a manifold but using a factory cart route

[jagged nymph]

bruh 😭

[unkempt blade]

it uses a lot of truck stations but otherwise it's super efficient

[hybrid nymph]

Hey guys

[jagged nymph]

syug yeH

[hybrid nymph]

Been super busy with school/work haven't had time to play

[raven isle]

I'm looking for a word for a type of manifold: Forces items to the left belt first. I've got 6 belts, not all maxed out. Going down to 4 belts. I've got them going into a smart splitter that forces items into a priority merger to the left before letting items through. I know there're probably more elegant ways to do this, but I'm not sure how to look them up. Can't think of what this is called.

[jagged nymph]

could you send a screenshot in #1038092680493801533 ? i have no idea what youre talking about\

[unkempt blade]

I'm proud of you for being responsible but the real question is what are you going to build while binging satisfactory for the next 36 hours straight?

[cold berry]

Screwdriver hammer haha

Good one

[raven isle]

Sorry. I thought about using questions and help, but thought it would be a stupid question not deserving its own thread.

[hybrid nymph]

Probably going to upgrade oil and the coal factory

[dense violet]

belt compressor?

[hybrid nymph]

I was speaking of which, the vanilla upgrades mod is not busted at all. It works exactly the same as if you put power slugs into the machine. All it does is upgrade the base clock speed. It increases the power consumption exponentially, but it makes your machines faster

[raven isle]

That's it exactly, thank you.

[dense violet]

no prob. I truly don't understand why people use them though.

[jagged nymph]

i can see some uses

but its certainly never required

[cold berry]

It feels weird that the only copper item I make is sheets because of the iron wire situation

[dense violet]

send what a section of machines needs on one belt

done.
don't run many belts along all the same space.

much simpler, less space, less work

[unkempt blade]

you could make some copper wire just for the fun of it

[raven isle]

I had space for 6 rows of 12 assemblers. Each one produces 750/1200 of the belt. My refineries use up a full belt exactly and are in 4 rows, with the fourth row not competely overclocked. So I need to go from 6 belts of 750 to 3 full belts and one belt of 900..

[dense violet]

that's where clocking machines to use what's on a belt saves you a ton of work

clocking machines properly saves you a ton of work and stops almost every design 'problem' before they start

people build 2 steps of processing w/o considering them together then leaves them a ton of work to some how match things up

[raven isle]

Everything is 250% except for the last row of refineries, they're clocked to 187.5. I was more concerned with space and symmetry.

[dense violet]

clocking machines properly would save you a ton of space and you can easily have symetry of you consider the steps before the design, as previously mentioned

[raven isle]

Literally every machine except the last row of refineries is clocked to 250%.

Unless I'm missing something. What do you mean properly? I'm trying to use up all the oil in blue crater without using up too much space.

[zealous urchin]

@unkempt blade

screws are imaginary

[unkempt blade]

Been thinking about this one a bit while I was making tea and I think what I don't like about the belt compressor approach for this is mostly that at some points you're going to be shifting 2 belts to the left

[unkempt blade]

your face is imaginary! burn!

[zealous urchin]

behind that mask is another mask

[hybrid nymph]

I just want to play the game

But I've got so much damn homework to do that I can't

[raven isle]

Well, it's more that 2 belts go away instead of shift. It's all happening in a logistics layer, so it's invisible. Unless I am misunderstanding your point.

[unkempt blade]

1a (750) + 1b (450) => 2a
1b (300) + 1c (750) + 1d (150) => 2b
etc.

I guess if you're never making changes it may not matter but all the little remainders make my brain itch 😆

[zealous urchin]

remaindeers*

[spare prism]

Hi

[weary latch]

bro what

[unkempt blade]

belt math, scroll up

[weary latch]

oh

[low ingot]

how does one combat the deadly screw deficit. it's literally my only bottleneck and i can't figure it out

[feral jay]

Aw my nephew had to go to bed

Now I load up my own save and... behold, the organization

[weary latch]

cast screws (alt recipe) and praying

[wise junco]

haven't used drones in a while - will they collect fuel from their home port OR their destination port?

[feral jay]

yes

[wise junco]

TYVM

[low ingot]

they will fuel at both if fuel is availiable

[feral jay]

They take enough fuel for the return trip when they leave

[wise junco]

so if one runs out, no cause for concern? I primed both home and dest with fuel

but ideally want just dest to fuel it

[feral jay]

If there is only fuel at the destination port, then they refuel there

[low ingot]

yea, as long as one of the 2 ports has constant fuel, youre fine

[weary latch]

a sacrifice to the screw gods should also do the trick (they prefer one's sanity as a sacrifice)

[wise junco]

thank you very much. i thought that was the case but couldn't remember 100%

[feral jay]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Drone#Behavior

[low ingot]

guess i need to go hard drive exploring

[wise junco]

will probably need that too, thanks! trains, I know all day long... just haven't touched drones in forever

[weary latch]

have fun

[indigo hare]

Am I hallucinating this or did you used to be able to stand on dropped items? I seem to recall around update 5 I dropped concrete on the ground to climb up a small cliff

[wise junco]

i know you can stand on dismantle crates, but unsure past that

[clear night]

Once I get the Jetpack and decent fuel for it I just explore as my stuff goes for the elevator and that’s how I get so many. But yea, have fun

[swift turret]

@crisp plaza #screenshots message is that rocket fuel or turbo?

[deft drum]

Size tells me turbo, Ronket Fuul builds get really big even with 3 power shards in every generator

More curious what those fluid buffers are for

If it's aesthetic I dig it

[wise junco]

i'm betting turbo too - seems too small for rocket

[swift turret]

yeah but the size with the amount they did tells me they're overproducing and underusing their gens

[deft drum]

It takes 144 non-shard generators to consume 600 rocket fuel/minute, or 57.6 with 3 shards per generators

[wise junco]

It takes [entirely too many] generators to consume [any amount] rocket fuel/minute

[deft drum]

36 GW is 36 GW brother

[wise junco]

oh, i'm not knocking it. i love rocket fuel. it's just a slog to place

[feral jay]

Or 80 generators to consume 600/min turbofuel, I'm working the bugs out of a setup right now #design-and-architecture message

I do enjoy pushing the game's systems to their limits

[swift turret]

they're not using rocket its turbo. around 600 turbo. They have around 64 gens all normal. So they're overmaking their turbo and under using their gens

idk if they havent finished but 64 gens is not enough for the amount they're making

[wise junco]

#screenshots message finished up my lil' aluminum factory

[swift turret]

little with emphasis of little

[feral jay]

yep that's a lil' one

Enough for all your belt construction needs

[wise junco]

yep. just wanted to get enough for aluminum casings for export, enough aluminum sheets for DD, and enough empty tanks for rocket fuel packaging

[fickle locust]

The Lorax would like to have a word with you

I thought that was the Rocky Desert at first

[deft drum]

Almost didn't recognize the place

[sick peak]

Anyone here done ficsonium? And is it fun?

[deft drum]

Sister what did u doooo

[wise junco]

bahahaha. i committed a lot of sins with the foliage. i was cutting through to figure out how i wanted to route power and where i wanted to set up the factory

[swift turret]

thats crazy I thought the same thing

I could never work in an area like that

I like seeing nature

[wise junco]

i normally preserve the foliage as much as possible but i was on a rampage when i was figuring out the layout

[deft drum]

I'm a factorio player so that should tell you everything about me tbh

[wise junco]

69,000 nobelisks later and i went "oh"

[deft drum]

Should've used another 420

[wise junco]

lmfao

[swift turret]

I started making nukes would've been much simpler

[deft drum]

I do intend one day to do a complete defoilage run

[raven isle]

Nothing like setting up the last step of your factory, then finding stuff clogging machines that isn't supposed to be there; only to find out you accidentally set a smart splitter to "any undefined" instead of overflow and didn't notice. And it's such a long belt x_x

Better yet, I was working on another factory and expected this one to be producing stuff for the past hour.

[deft drum]

Not as bad as Gleba

[raven isle]

Spoilage reference? I haven't played space age yet, but I've heard curses.

[deft drum]

Misplace a single inserter on that planet and the entire factory breaks

Cold starting that humid hellhole is a trip

[violet pecan]

what if you could turn solid substances into liquids like copper

[weak bloom]

man, I really wanted to delay having to expand my power grid until I finished phase 3 so I could skip to rocket fuel without expanding anything

but I got too distracted with so many side projects and now I'm actually hitting my limit so I'm just gonna duplicate my turbofuel line and drop another 40 generators lmao

[feral jay]

I'm dropping 80 at a time

[weak bloom]

I have 300 turbofuel going to 40 rn, out of 600 crude, so just gonna pipe in another oil well and do the same

[feral jay]

Keeping every machine in the world running at 100% all the time uses a lot of power, I'm finding out

[weak bloom]

it SURE DOES

[deft drum]

"Just another 10x10 brick of power storage will solve everything right?"

[weak bloom]

I don't have a single battery on my grid

[feral jay]

10x10 grid? Gotta get those rookie numbers up!

*notsohumbleflex sorry

[weak bloom]

I have considered just building a little "basement" under my plate of power plants full of batteries

and by "little" I mean "the size of the power plant area"

[feral jay]

I do need to build a massive battery backup plant soon

rn I just have a 60 minute backup to run my turbofuel plant and its associated peripheral factories

But if I had to run the whole world off power storages? I've got maaaaybe ten minutes of power?

[violet pecan]

Imagine Liquid Copper

[feral jay]

go away 😛

[swift turret]

welp im in a dilemma

[weak bloom]

I really need to like, take another pass of all of my power lines and better compartmentalize the sub-grids, everything right now is just a mess of me just dragging lines to where I needed them

[swift turret]

I cant seem to figure out how to start making a mega factory. I made a railroad track around the whole desert so i can access everything but now I cant seem to figure out how to start it, the nodes in the middle are too short to train but too far to bus

[feral jay]

Oh that much I've got covered, my power grid is stupidly organized

I just don't have backup power'

[weak bloom]

no such thing as too far to bus. drag a belt across the entire biome and BASK IN THE GLORY OF THE BELT

[feral jay]

I have backup power to back up my generator farms and turbofuel production, but not enough to power everything

[placid sigil]

Tbh the main satisfactory experience for me is just “i should really get around to fixing that” then when i fix it 2 new issues come up

[deft drum]

insert ice age .gif here

[violet pecan]

Yep, that's about correct.

[weak bloom]

for me it's "I should really get around to fixing that" and then instead of fixing it, I build a whole entire new factory to do it properly and cut off the old one and this is why I'm still on phase 3 at like 150 hours

[violet pecan]

I'm still on phase 4 because my brain keeps getting sidetracked by the most unnecessary crap

[feral jay]

This is why my turbomotor factory is taking forever, because first I need plastic production, then I need rubber production, then I need, then I need, and each one of those is a full day's build

[placid sigil]

I just do math and make Spaghetti

[weak bloom]

I can't bring myself to let things be spaghetti

[placid sigil]

I cant bring myself to lose that extra 2 iron plates a minute to make things look nicer

[feral jay]

I'm in the process of building a rubber factory to support my turbomotor plant. It was gonna be a quick thing, then I did some finagling with a planner and founf out I can produce 1800/min rubber from a single pure oil node

So well now I'm doing that

[placid sigil]

Ive just reached phase 3 and im horrified by having to now manage oil

[atomic venture]

hi

[feral jay]

And then, I figure out it's faster if I make a few blueprints first, so then I'm doing that...

[placid sigil]

hai

[placid sigil]

Good luck 😭

[feral jay]

I just need 17.777778 recycled rubber refineries and 35.5555556 recycled plastic refineries now and I'm golden 😨

[placid sigil]

How the hell do u do the .7777778 part 🥀

[feral jay]

under or over clock one

[placid sigil]

im guessing youll just push it to 18 or 17.8

[feral jay]

Nope, all my machines run at 100% all the time, so it's all gotta be tuned perfectly, it's a challenge this save

(100% effeciency, not clock speed)

[placid sigil]

Fair enough

[deft drum]

To quote a monotone factory game youtuber

"You put the outputs into the inputs"

[ivory condor]

thats the fun part, you dont because overclocking doesnt have that level of precision

it has about 4 decimal places i think in precision, so you have to work within that

[feral jay]

It has six significant digits of precision and yeah that does become a factor at a large enough scale

[raven isle]

Is this possible with fluids? If you have a pipe that pushes 600m/s, and machines that eat 600 m/s, wouldn't the last machine be <100% because of sloshing?

[feral jay]

Struggling with that in a few places yeah

[ivory condor]

oh 6, guess i misremembered

i thought it was 4 hmmmm

[weak bloom]

wait how the heck, I thought it was just 600 with the recycled recipes

[feral jay]

It's interesting finding out the games limitations doing it this way

[ivory zinc]

My heavy modular frame factory finally works

[placid sigil]

Massive dub

[swift turret]

dont have blueprints and no idea how to make 1 that looks good

[feral jay]

four decimals usually, plus two before the decimal, so six significant digits

[soft thunder]

On the power augmentor, what is the input for?

[ivory zinc]

For the one mam research under the power augementer

[feral jay]

Last I did the math on an iron plate constructor running at 66.6667%, it was two or three excess plates per year that it produces

[ivory condor]

glad to know my memory isnt completely shot

[soft thunder]

oh i see, thank you 🙂

[deft drum]

Because the limiting factor with the recycle loop is how much fuel you're making, and Diluted fuel turns oil into a LOT of fuel, you can scale up pretty big

[feral jay]

One machine producing two or three extra plates a year isn't so bad but once you have a few hundred it starts to add up

[placid sigil]

Im gonna be 100% im not following any of this math

[last mason]

any way to make my personal elevator go to 250m without mods?

[ivory condor]

thats the fun part, you cant

[placid sigil]

Cant u just make multiple elevators

[weak bloom]

ah diluted, I was using residual

[last mason]

bruh

[placid sigil]

I havent used it yet

[last mason]

i litterally need 40m more

[placid sigil]

So im not sure

[swift turret]

✨ Stairs ✨

[ivory condor]

time to go modding

[last mason]

pre blender, use diluted packaged turbofuel it doubles the fuel output

[ivory zinc]

#design-and-architecture all this for 9 heavy frames per minute

[feral jay]

In a nutshell, it's impossible to clock a machine to exactly ⅔, because that's 66.66666666666666 repeating percent, which the game approximates to 66.6667%

[last mason]

#screenshots message

[swift turret]

sloop them and then you got 18

[ivory zinc]

Im phase 3 i cant even use em rn

[swift turret]

??
that doesnt make sense

You can unlock that in the first hour of making a new save

[ivory zinc]

I mean only real recipe for em rn are adaptive control units

Idk what else i would need more for rn

[swift turret]

you'll need them for later on in the game

[ivory zinc]

For then i wanna rebuild everything in phase 4 anyway

[raven isle]

@dense violet You know, I was thinking about it... It would be better to split the middle belts into the other two. That would fill it and I don't need to compress the belts per se, just split the output of two of them into the others. It's much more simple and quasi-balances them.

[weak bloom]

is there a way to stack pipelines outwards on a wall vertically?

[swift turret]

also if you wanna cut down on resources you can make pipe with iron

[ivory zinc]

Im using all alt recipes to make this cheaper already

Otherwise i wouldve needed 2.4k iron

Already using pure iron ingot iron pipe iron wire steel rods and heavy encased frames

And wet concrete

[swift turret]

my math is showing 900 iron for 9 HMF

[ivory zinc]

With what recipe

[swift turret]

#screenshots message

[ivory zinc]

And with the ones i used its specifically 740.923 iron @swift turret

[swift turret]

idk where you got 2.4k iron for more HMF tho

[ivory zinc]

Without alt recipes it wouldve been 2.4k

[swift turret]

because you're using coal

[ivory zinc]

Yea 50 coal

[swift turret]

so yeah it uses less there

[ivory zinc]

Because im using steel rods n steel cast plate

[willow pond]

i'd still like the game to have some kind of functional radiation shielding

like have a particle accelerator that turns Caterium into lead

[swift turret]

is this the HMF just for your storage or are you gonna export it for other stuff like FMF

[ivory zinc]

Atm its only for the acu and for myself

[swift turret]

fair enough I gues

[ivory zinc]

As i said redoing it all anyway since i dont want a flat factory

Tryna go for aesthetics aswell

[cold berry]

Lead-lined walls would go hard

I wish we had lead now for radiation shielding

[proven snow]

Next playthrough im planning on shielding parts of the world / my builds from radiation

Having it as an actual mechanic would be cool

[ivory zinc]

I want the new gamemodes

Im so curious

[cold berry]

My guesses are randomized nodes, hardcore and creative modes (maybe with easy blueprint exporting so you can make something in creative and then load it in the game with your materials)

Those are just guesses tho. No idea.

I'm not as excited for that because I'm on my first playthrough tho NGL

[ivory zinc]

Hardcore wouldnt make sense imo

[cold berry]

Yeah, that's the least likely to me. It isn't that kinda game.

IMO

But maybe they could tweak the idea of hardcore, and it could be like, hard mode. IDK. Challenge mode.

[surreal meteor]

Limited resources maybe?

[ivory zinc]

Also wouldnt really make sense i would guess a hard mode maybe

[cold berry]

Maybe recharging resources, so you can tap a node by using it too much, and you have to balance them. It doesn't make much sense but that'd be fun gameplay-wise

And an extra game mode doesn't have to make sense because it's just a fun extra. IDK. I'd have fun with that and now I want it XD

[ivory zinc]

With stupid recipe costs

[proven snow]

Random resources prob yea

Though I wouldn’t mind a hard mode with stricter rules / mechanics

Personally also love their idea of continual tasks likr having to provide the space elevator x of item y every few days to prevent losing or the like

[ivory zinc]

Would definetly be plausible. Like provide the elevator with that item 10 per minute and the construction take like an hour or 2 and need steady supply

[raven isle]

I don't think there will ever be a losing condition. I remember they firmly said they would never introduce a mechanic that forces the world on you, instead letting you do things as you choose.

[ivory zinc]

They also said they would never do a randomized mode

[raven isle]

I remember they said randomized mode would take too many resources that were better off used on improving the game. I don't remember them saying never.

[ivory zinc]

When a second map smh

[raven isle]

What does smh mean? I see that a lot.

[ivory zinc]

Somehow

[proven snow]

I’d doubt it too

But it’s something I’d like. Also not necessarily losing, I think there’s a mod that basically has that game mode but if you don’t provide the materials you lose access to the buildables from the current stage

But in either format I don’t think it’s likely to be added, just a fantasy

I’d rather have random ores anyways which I’m pretty confident are coming

[cold berry]

I literally just started this game 3 weeks ago, haven't beaten it yet, and I thought of that. I said "I wish the space elevator worked like the community board in stardew valley and gave you rewards for extra randomly generated quests"

I thought that today

[ivory zinc]

1.2 is set for later this year right

[raven isle]

Experimental in April, I think I read.

[ivory zinc]

Im talking bout full release

[raven isle]

I know, but there is no hard date set for full release yet.

[ivory zinc]

Ik but im guessing end of year

[proven snow]

Experimental on march 17th

[raven isle]

Oh, I stand corrected. Thank you.

[willow pond]

idea: overclocking blade runners

[ivory zinc]

I lied wiki says the 1.2 release is sceduled in the first half of 2026

[agile sequoia]

Hey im kinda new to the game and got into trains about 4 days ago... the past 4 days also been the worst... i dont understand trains, the trainstations are connected and bothe got energy, enerything looks exectly the same like the first train station i got (that works perfactly fine) but the other 2 always tell me "Next Stop is Unreachable", can someone please help me to fix that somehow

[raven isle]

Heh, a resource that you get from feeding the space elevator that is similar to fuel, but amplifies your blade runners and jetpack would be neat. Incentive to keep feeding the machine.

[proven snow]

Probably post pictures

But best advice I have is to make your trains go in a circle (a loop tends to be simpler than back and forth on a straight line imo), and double check that all train stations are facing the right way. The round part should bulge outwards in the direction the train is traveling

But yeah trains can be confusing, pics or looking up guides might help

[ivory zinc]

Just use 2 way blueprints

Imo

[hybrid nymph]

Wow, how about that, I just serviced an illegal computer today

By illegal computer I mean the parts in it were bootleg parts

[ivory zinc]

Dont matter imo

It wont blow up just cuz of bootleg

[willow pond]

but odds are if it blows up, it'll be because of a bootleg part

[ivory zinc]

Now whats concerning is a guy wanting me to service his self installed gas heater

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah, once I found out on Hwinfo64 that the GPU I was working on was fake, I immediately stopped and I called the customer and told them that it's against our company policy to work on fake computer parts

[ivory zinc]

[hybrid nymph]

I still charged him an $80 bench fee because I still took apart his GPU, and I still wasted $10 worth of thermal paste on it. So I made $80 but still

[ivory zinc]

Yikes

[hybrid nymph]

The most glaringly obvious thing to me that it was fake is the fact that real RTX 3000 series cards only had two VGA power ports on them, this one had three

[ivory zinc]

I needa buy a pc

I know what i want but i just dont gt the money rn bc wdym its 3k

[willow pond]

what's your shop's proportional split between low/medium/high end systems?

[proven snow]

Pc Price really gone up lately

[willow pond]

how dare you want 32gb of ram

[ivory zinc]

The stuff i want only got like 300 more expensive

Which is all ram

[ivory zinc]

I am

[proven snow]

Think mine was 1300ish 6-7 years ago and it’s still going strong

[willow pond]

🤣

my ram's pricing literally got a 1 tacked onto the start of the price in october & hasn't moved since then

[ivory zinc]

400€

[agile sequoia]

i cant post pictures

[zealous urchin]

u will buy overpriced pc parts and u will love it

[short fiber]

Just asking, should I use turbo heavy fuel iver the regular turbo fuel recipe or nah. Like which would get me the most output

[ivory zinc]

Only gpu and ram is overprived a bit

Because both of those make 2k in total. 1k is the rest

[zealous urchin]

regulsr

[short fiber]

Ty

[willow pond]

WD announced last week that all of their drives made in 2026 are already spoken for

[ivory zinc]

I should probably buy my ram

[willow pond]

nah, wait till someone starts renting out ram 🤣

[ivory zinc]

I can get ram for 300

[zealous urchin]

least silly pioneer

[ivory zinc]

But the ones i want are 400

[hybrid nymph]

It entirely depends on the job, what needs fixing, and the cost of fixing those parts as well as the labor. If somebody brings in a basic laptop I probably only charge him like $150 to fix it, but if somebody brings me a high-end gaming PC that's worth $3,000 it's likely going to be a 400 or $500 job

[smoky flame]

Is it me or is loading colour preset in customiser just doesn't work sometimes

[ivory zinc]

Who gets a pc if he cant fix it himself

There youtube for everything

[hybrid nymph]

I still have a decent computer. I also overclock. I have a ryzen 7 5800x, overclocked to 4.8 GHz, and an RTX 2070 super overclocked to 2070 MHz

[ivory zinc]

Would never overclock my parts

Tbf my cpu wont need it

[hybrid nymph]

Overclocking isn't as dangerous as you think it is, don't fall for what computer companies have told you, as long as you're not a complete idiot you won't break anything

[willow pond]

i have the melty series of gpu, so i have it throttled to 300W

[ivory zinc]

Im aware but my cpu is capable

[hybrid nymph]

What you should be overclocking is your GPU

That's what's going to get you more FPS in your games

[ivory zinc]

Wont need too either

[willow pond]

[insert elmo 12VHPWR on fire gif]

[hybrid nymph]

Unless you're getting like 180 FPS, CPU overclocking isn't going to make much of a difference, I think after I overclocked my CPU I only got about two more FPS from doing that, and it was a 150 MHz overclock

[ivory zinc]

As i said 9800x3d and 5080

Rarely any game where i would need it

And i already have the rest of my setup

Monitor keyboard and mouse i already got

[hybrid nymph]

I'm still using ddr4, but I'm running mine at 3,600 MHz, and I have 32 GB of RAM

[willow pond]

oh yea the only time to upgrade a system is if it can't max out your monitor anymore

[ivory zinc]

Mine probably wont max out my monitor. Atleast rarely. Even with 5080 9800x3d and 32gb ram

[proven snow]

If you care about it anyways

Think Ive only had one game where I felt I coulda used like 10 more fps bc 30 felt choppy, but it wasn’t a a dealbreaker

[hybrid nymph]

I get about 100 to 118 FPS at Max settings in satisfactory at 1440p

[willow pond]

i'm always locked to 144fps in SF at 1440p

[cursive gate]

when it comes to recourse management when do i switch between trains and belts for transporting resources

[ivory zinc]

My monitor is currently feeling a bit overkill with a ps5 hooked up to it

[hybrid nymph]

I mean I'm a streamer as well so I need 32 GB of RAM

When I'm editing my YouTube videos by editing software takes about 18 GB of RAM

[zealous urchin]

hysteria will never cease to amaze me and #off-topic-tech

[violet pecan]

What do we think of the term "Hyperclocking" for when you max overclock a building and put sloop in it

[ivory zinc]

Overclocked and slooped

I got my wqhd monitor w 360 hz oled hookee up to a ps5

It feels wasted imo

[hybrid nymph]

Absolutely

I have infinite power slugs

[ivory zinc]

I bought it in the vision of getting the pc

[hybrid nymph]

I installed a mod that allows you to turn super computers into power slugs

[ivory zinc]

Bruh

[hybrid nymph]

It's one super computer per power shard

What? Super computers aren't easy to make

They take a lot of setup

[drowsy mulch]

Isn't that, like in the game now th

Syntetic power shards?

[proven snow]

I’m kinda sad it got added to vanilla yea

[ivory zinc]

Power shards are way more expensive basegame

[twin parcel]

how much plastic is enough? 5 per min ?

[proven snow]

I like stuff like sloops and power shards being limited

[drowsy mulch]

Yeah, but if they exist why mod ig

[ivory zinc]

Are you serious

[twin parcel]

idk mate

[proven snow]

In this game, nothing is ever enough

[drowsy mulch]

Like 500 prob, but centralizing that kinda thing is hard

[proven snow]

You’re gonna need to constantly scale up projection of stuff as you go along

Unless you really go all out at first

[proven snow]

(It’s a good start but eventually you’ll need more)

[agile sequoia]

can i dm u the pics?

[proven snow]

You should be able to put them in #screenshots

But otherwise yea

I will be heading to sleep soon tho and idk if I’m the biggest train expert out there

[agile sequoia]

oh yea mb, sended them in there

[short fiber]

When the calculator ain't calculating

[twin parcel]

900 crude oil per min , im using heavy oil residue recipe to make diluted packaged fuel , and maybe polymer resin recipe to make plastic , then excess plastic + fuel to make rubber

[agile sequoia]

ik its pretty mess, im just trying to get the train running atp

[hybrid nymph]

Aim for at least 50 per minute

[drowsy mulch]

Great! Than make what you can out of that, and then build more once you needed

[hybrid nymph]

I'm assuming that you just barely got to oil, if you have one fully overclocked refinery that's making plastic, that's good for starting out

[twin parcel]

thanks

[hybrid nymph]

Welcome

[ivory zinc]

Alright done w phase 3

Never unlocked the hoverpack faster

[hybrid nymph]

My recommendation right now for you would be to turn your oil into plastic, rubber, and fuel. Get those fuel generators up and running. Each fuel generator takes 40^3m of fuel per minute fully overclocked and generates 625 megawatts each. Each fully overclocked refinery produces 100^3m of fuel.

[proven snow]

Hard to say, again I’m not an expert.

Just check the train stations are facing the right way, and I’d say to make a simpler route with just one train moving in one direction (rather than train car on both sides of the carts)

I’d always start simple with trains then get more advanced as you get used to them

[hybrid nymph]

Of course, turning fuel into turbo fuel to use in your fuel generators is a much better usage of your oil

[hybrid nymph]

I know how trains work other than the signals, so if you need some help, just ask

[proven snow]

They put pics in #screenshots

[agile sequoia]

i send some ss in #screenshots

my first train station works, the others say they cant reach it

[short fiber]

Sometimes you have to look at yourself and say "I'm not kibits" when doing a project

[ivory zinc]

Sometimes you have to tell urself that you are

And i have just decided to do rocket fuel before nuclear

[short fiber]

Same

[proven snow]

If in pic 1 the train comes from up on the slope and moves down to dock at that station, it won’t work. It would need a train station on the opposite side of the freight stations (basically the train that is driving always needs to have a free train station to stop at, which is facing in the direction the train is moving)

[ivory zinc]

Using the alternate recipe

Nitro rocket fuel

[short fiber]

Ii don't wanna be like the other girls and make my fuel at the blue lake. I wanna make it somewhere interesting

[ivory zinc]

I wont make it at the lake

[short fiber]

I'm thinking at the desert nearing the sulfer deposits bc I wanna use trians

Trains

[agile sequoia]

i dont wanna rebuild it all just to send ss in here but i had the train station connected to its other train station but just itself, i though that the way the train has to travel was to long so i looked how i could make it shorter and 1 way was to let the train go next by my iron/copper farm

and that also didnt work said the same msg

[ivory zinc]

Lemme show you smtj

@short fiber #screenshots want a train to bring in sulfur and coal on the marked arrow

[swift turret]

if you're gonna use trains you can make it anywhere

[short fiber]

Funny thing is I was gonna do the inverse

[ivory zinc]

Im planning on making 1800 rocketfuel

[swift turret]

you mean sending the oil to the sulfur and coal?

[short fiber]

#screenshots message this is sorta what I'm planning but it depends on how much sulfer I need

[ivory zinc]

For 1.8k rocketfuel which is alot you need 1.2k sulfur

Using the alt recipe

[verbal dagger]

Is there a way to have oil by products get sent to an Awesome Sink only when my containers are full? Right now I have plastic and rubber filling up a container, but when the container gets full it's going to stop production, which I don't want.

I have the products going to a container, and then going to an awesome sink right now.

What I would like to do is have the by products go to the awesome sink only when the container gets full, because sometimes I actually want some of the byproducts for a recipe. Right now I keep having to periodically check how full my containers are, which I would like to not have to do.

[short fiber]

This is less about the efficiency of and more about me being stubborn and wanting it in this cool place

[ivory zinc]

Smart splitters

[gloomy tusk]

no? i make 3600 and only use 1.2k

[verbal dagger]

can you elaborate?

[ivory zinc]

U make 3600 ROCKET fuel

[ivory zinc]

MAM caterium research tree. Theres smart splitters

[short fiber]

I was gonna use the byproduct to make plastic then containers, use the containers, then sink them bc ion wanna make another chain. I like keeping everything at 100%

[violet pecan]

Describe your factory in 10 words or less

[gloomy tusk]

yes its not heaps

[short fiber]

Stubbornness built for efficiency

[ivory zinc]

It is

[gloomy tusk]

organized, unintelligent new player

[ivory zinc]

Turbofuel its not heeps

Rocketfuel it is

[violet pecan]

Huge, unnecessary, works... somehow

[gloomy tusk]

i sloop all my blenders

[ivory zinc]

Wow

[short fiber]

#screenshots message
I'm sorta trying to find a way to force a train from this project go through here

[swift turret]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=dnfqg9i3M1nkkxA71phL

[short fiber]

I plan on making my main base there (moving again) and having the train go right down the middle

[ivory zinc]

What about it

[violet pecan]

Next run I do I'll rely too much on trains for zero reason at all

[ivory zinc]

I still wanna try a no mam run

[violet pecan]

Satisfactory challenge runs sound fun

[short fiber]

Basically what I'm doing

[violet pecan]

"Can you beat Satisfactory without the MAM?"

[ivory zinc]

I wanna try but

Its so much missing QoL

[violet pecan]

There, there. You could do it. It's long, but possible.

[ivory zinc]

No slooping

[swift turret]

possible but complicated

[ivory zinc]

No powershards

No underclocking

[swift turret]

no smart splitters