satisfactory

[unborn nova]

isnt there a way to deconstruct a whole blueprint

[next ivy]

press R until you find the "blueprint (connect)" mode

[sour cargo]

also a mode

[next ivy]

press F first then press R until you find "blueprint" mode

[unborn nova]

holy cowbells

oh sick

tysm guyz

[coral marsh]

Anyone else got over 1 thousand dark matter crystals?

I got 6,707

[fickle locust]

I'm not stockpiling them but I am making about 300/min

[magic void]

Is it not 120 coal a minute for 8 gens?

[stone python]

it is

120 coal, 360 water

[magic void]

I got mine producing 270, all t3 belts, for whatever the reason the 8th generator keeps powering off and on due to a lack of coal

[zealous haven]

do yall make factories for each individual product and then belt those factories for higher end stuff? or do yall keep it seperate, and how do i know what a good /m is?

[stone python]

are your gens overclocked? or just 8 normal gens?

[magic void]

All normal no overclock

[stone python]

even if you are providing 270, it will take time to saturate them all if the plant is new

[magic void]

Its not its been running all day

I even manually loaded the gens, still drains coal,

[stone python]

you using the right belts?

no random mk1 in there?

[magic void]

Yup just double checked

[stone python]

can you send picture into #screenshots

a good top down would be great

[fickle locust]

If the coal is draining you're not providing 120, probably due to a hiddden slower belt but maybe the miner is underlocked or something else weird is happening

[next ivy]

a good /m is something that doesnt have you afk
when you find yourself with free time, try expanding
this will naturally work for any playstyle no matter how slow or fast you are

[magic void]

I reran every single belt with t3 just now.

[next ivy]

my first proper heavy frames and computers are both at the roughly 10-15 pm

[simple python]

anyone down to start a new world with me? I just got the game

[stone python]

@magic void i looked at the photos. Are you splitting the 270 twice, and then partially rejoining?

[reef basin]

Separate

And as for the per minute amounts - whatever you need, can't answer that for you

[zealous haven]

what about the items that need 2 different products, however no nodes close to eachother

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758
Though I'd recommend first playthrough to be solo

[weary gate]

Im never finishing the game with my janky ass factory.

😭

[fiery pewter]

Logistics network

[fickle locust]

Alt recipes can let you use different nodes than base recipes
Or it becomes a logistics challenge of how to get the one thing to the other

[reef basin]

Build near most nodes, ship the rest of raw resources to there

[zealous haven]

how do i make it neat though

or as neat as possible

[reef basin]

That's subjective

[zealous haven]

neat for me is "as easy as possible to follow"

[reef basin]

What you like, someone else may not like

[fiery pewter]

Unless it is better to ship more finalized products?

Like say for example I need 780 Rubber/min, instead of just shipping (packaged) oil just refine it first and ship the rubber

[reef basin]

I mean, just a belt/train/truck/drone from A to B

[reef basin]

You build near oil

[arctic timber]

guys i havent played in 3 months have liquids been reworked

[zealous haven]

Im phase 2 rn so belt is probably my best bet

[fiery pewter]

Not yet

[reef basin]

No, why would they be?

[arctic timber]

omgmgogmgomggogmgmgggg

[next ivy]

either look for a better spot where all materials are roughly inside a <1km radius (or whatever works for you)
or use belts, trucks, or trains to transport everything together

[arctic timber]

i heard something about it

i might be crazy

[reef basin]

Nothing is confirmed yet. I don't think a big rework will happen

[fiery pewter]

-# the humble 1.2, although they haven't mentioned fluid reworks

[arctic timber]

yeah i assumed as such but since i havent been active thought id ask since my knowldeg isnt very good

i have got to start playing again but school has me in a death chokehold

[fiery pewter]

Lol same

[twin parcel]

what is the point of coated iron plate?

is it that useful?

[fiery pewter]

If it is useful in your situation

[reef basin]

To make more plates at the cost of oil

[twin parcel]

since im using pure ingots recipe , i can just ignore them lol

[finite mirage]

i restarted the game with vulkan but it shows dx12 after relaunch, someone said it's a visual glitch, has it still not been fixed?

or did it just not switch

[reef basin]

As always, it's your choice. Alt recipes are an option, never a requirement

[fiery pewter]

I have found that, atleast for the rates I was working with in another factory, that the pure iron and pure caterium recipes consumed more ore than the leached recipes

[twin parcel]

huh? how add water uses more ore?

[fiery pewter]

No more like

The leached recipe works the exact same, but is uses sulfuric acid instead of water

[twin parcel]

oh

[fiery pewter]

Wait lemme get a screenshot rq

[next ivy]

you always gotta ask yourself "is it worth it"

[twin parcel]

but isnt sulphur more rare than water ?

[next ivy]

the added infrastructure needed might be too annoying at the point youre at

[fiery pewter]

Yes, and sulfuric Acid uses water and sulfur

[last bluff]

Seeing the previous convo, it's kind of a bummer that you can't put fluids in your inventory

[next ivy]

cant chug a canister of acid

[fiery pewter]

That's why we have packagers

[last bluff]

I once had this issue where it was actually not on Vulkan (I have AMD and Wine, and it was crashing) and if you really wanna be sure, in launch options you can add %command% -vulkan

[last bluff]

No, I wanna HOLD litres of rocket fuel inside my HANDS

[finite mirage]

it didn't crash for me, but lowk sf on linux is much smoother than windows

playing on high, balanced dlss

3050

[last bluff]

I'll have to believe you on that, no experience with Windows, but you can try that launch option

[finite mirage]

alr thanks

[twin parcel]

i guess its worth it for bigger factories

[fiery pewter]

Well, I haven't tried that yet, but I have a feeling you eventually reach a point where you're consuming more water making the acid than that you would consume just using the pure recipe

[last bluff]

I've never thought of water rarity before

[fiery pewter]

And you're gobbeling up precious sulfur

[fiery pewter]

"Satisfactory but I can only use well water"

[last bluff]

I saw that hex mod, and I know about the skyblock mod

that's the closest to that

[twin parcel]

water is not rare if ur willing to pipe them very far or packaged them .

[last bluff]

packaged water sounds cursed

[fiery pewter]

It looks like those big warer jugs you place on water dispensers

[last bluff]

SATISFACTORY IN THE BACKROOMS

[twin parcel]

imagine an halloween event where the factory looks haunted and filled with spiders

[fiery pewter]

Nah forget spiders, lets get stingers

[autumn path]

should i dismantle my coal power plant and turn it into steel or make a steel plant farther away

[last bluff]

so basically just the pink forest if they kept spawning around your HUB?

[fiery pewter]

Depends

Do you need the coal plant

[autumn path]

its power, but not much of my power

[fiery pewter]

Define "not much"

Because steel kinda guzzles

[autumn path]

haven't finished my fuel plant, but it will be 1200 fuel a minute however many gens/MW that is

so probably like 5 percent or maybe 1 percent

its more the time to dismantle or just build new farther away

[fiery pewter]

That's 1200/20=60 fuel gens which is 60*250=15.000 MW or 15 GW

-# if you have 800 coal and 800 sulfur you could make 800 compacted coal and combine that with your 1200 fuel to make 1000 turbofuel which will make you like double the amount of power

[fiery violet]

Do you need any screws to produce the final space elevator parts?

[weary gate]

One idea I had was that eventually over time resource nodes degrade and become exhausted

[coral marsh]

Iirc, you can complete the game past a certain point without ever touching screws once you unlock certain alt recipes

[autumn path]

yea most people go the no screws route

[fiery pewter]

#screenshots message this doesn't look like a vanilla blueprint designer

[lavish echo]

Erm, Im a big rust industrial auto sorter, Can I do the same with smart splitters and dimensiol depots?

[next ivy]

you cant really make sure theres space in a depot

so you gotta make a buffer thats used with priority, otherwise stuff just gets voided

[lavish echo]

Would i be able to just do it with sotrage containers and the smart splitters?

[next ivy]

sure why not

[lavish echo]

type shit

[next ivy]

splitters can sort
boxes can store

wheres the problem

[lavish echo]

I hope theres not 🙂

Eventually gonna tear my main factory down and make a bunch of small ones on nodes and just have my main factory a train station with storage

Hopefully

[twin parcel]

uh which alt recipe combination i need for fuel ?

[fiery pewter]

that entirely depends on what you have available

although diluted fuel/diluted packaged fuel are easily the best

Heavy Oil Residue alt is also useful with those iirc

[plucky portal]

Hi everyone! Does anyone know how to make a blueprint that can be shared with someone else? So that it can be inserted as a blueprint?

[next ivy]

copy the file and send it

appdata /local /factory game /saved /savegames /blueprints /[world name] /[blueprint name]

[plucky portal]

What I mean is, I have a building on my map. I was able to extract it using a calculator, but someone can't paste it onto their map, even though they placed the file correctly. I haven't played with these kinds of ideas in a while and I don't remember how I ever got out of this situation before...

[next ivy]

via the website then ?

gotta specify man

[plucky portal]

satisfactory-calculator site. export megabp

[next ivy]

it was 2 files right ?

[hybrid nymph]

Hello people

[plucky portal]

one file. I often come across blueprints that couldn't have been created using the game's standard tools!

[hybrid nymph]

So I have a question

So I am currently mining a lot of sulfur, so like a lot a lot, I am also mining a lot of coal. I was thinking of making a compacted coal factory so that I could power my coal plant instead of using normal coal to power it. Because right now I'm just awesome sinking my excess coal and my excess sulfur

[next ivy]

you likely even have more knowledge on it than i do
afaik blueprints are 2 files
.sbp
.sbpcfg
maybe the second one is just left out when the blueprint doesnt have a description

if the file you have is neither of these file types, it might be a website only blueprint

[plucky portal]

@next ivyGot it, thanks for your responsiveness! I'll remember how I did it before!

[next ivy]

good way to say "you didnt help at all"

[junior cedar]

CoffeeStain should be investigated for their actions

[sterile blade]

Diplomacy is a great thing

[next ivy]

if you can share what you did, it will help us too

[junior cedar]

Creating such an addicating game. This stuff needs to be regulated 😂

[simple python]

real tho

its factorio all over again for me

[junior cedar]

It really speaks to how well the game is designed tho. Such a fantsic and engaging game

[sterile blade]

That's not a game file, that's a SCIM file
Ie: only SCIM can handle that format. It's not a "blueprint" the game can handle.

Or, in other other words: megaprints are to be handled with SCIM, not the game.

[simple python]

how far are you?

[junior cedar]

Just got to T7. I started a new world.
I've been playing since Early access

[simple python]

ah nice, i just started playing today 😅 im 2 hours deep

[next ivy]

megaprints are intended to be imported using the website
they are .cbp as opposed to .sbp
you will see a button on the lefthandside toolbar of the interactive map (a chip symbol)

is the file a .cbp file

[plucky portal]

I'm already using my intelligence and resourcefulness 🙂

[next ivy]

ok dont help us to help others then 🤷‍♀️

[junior cedar]

Ficsit welcomes you into the save the day program. Where you will spend your time saving humanity.

Remeber, Ficsit does not waste

[plucky portal]

@next ivy I love this wonderful community of this wonderful game!

[next ivy]

welp now its getting weird

[mossy fulcrum]

also saving the puppies and kittens

[orchid zinc]

Does this workflow make sense: Have X need of certain materials, input it to satisfactory tools or modeler, visualize it in satisfactory-layouts and then build ingame?

[dense violet]

I mean there's lots of ways. But just build it in game. Test the layout there.

Gives you practice building and then, when you figured it out, it's magically already built

[vague apex]

does anyone use calculators for setting up factories? cause i went to use one and am confused as

[dense violet]

what are you trying to make?

[vague apex]

a massive factory thats making a bunch of different parts

[dense violet]

make a seperate plan for each part otherwise you get a cobweb

[cunning glade]

Man I wish 1200 belts came sooner

[vague apex]

but it says put the input into splitter but then doesnt split it equally

[dense violet]

wdym?

[cunning glade]

For the 8k quartz I need I have too use basically all of the nodes on the map cuz I can only get 780 from them:/

[next ivy]

what calculator gives you that kinda info 🧐

[dense violet]

is this modeler? it's more of a layout tool, not a planner

[flat spade]

Do you have some tips for me I am am a beginner and I don't know how to use coal.

[dense violet]

in what way?

[cunning glade]

I don't really see the point too modeler tbh

[next ivy]

if you dont have coal power unlocked yet, there is little to no use for coal (theres steel)

[flat spade]

Like how to optimise my energy

[dense violet]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[flat spade]

I've unlocked it

[dense violet]

some simple layouts for generators

[last bluff]

You'll do research to get more resources you can use. You'll be able to use coal once you get the machines and recipes to use it

[vague apex]

on the calculator im inputting 372 iron and it goes into 1 splitter and splits into 300.75 27 and 44.25
its a website

[flat spade]

Okayy thanks

[dense violet]

sure what's the issue with that?

[vague apex]

but splitters split equally so how does one splitter do that

[dense violet]

a few ways

[cunning glade]

Manifold

[next ivy]

the machines only use so much

[dense violet]

maybe the least effort is if your belt can handle all 3 outputs, you just have 1 big manifodl

[cunning glade]

It will only use what it needs once that fills up the rest goes down the belt

[next ivy]

once the buffers are full, the material will go where it can

[cunning glade]

Issue is making sure u have enough belt speed for all of the machines more so

[next ivy]

still weird that the website tells you to place splitters

[dense violet]

the other main way is to clock 3 groups of machines to make those 3 outputs and only merge those

[vague apex]

ok so you reckon if i followed this calculator itll eventually fill everything and then start working properly right?

[dense violet]

is this the SCIM calculator?

[last bluff]

Vertical item belts my beloved

[cunning glade]

I think 1200 belts should be in t8 and should require something at the very end quite expensive so it can't be unlocked right away

[vague apex]

its a website called satisfactory-calculator.com

[normal orbit]

kinda one reason i think planners just overcomplicate things for new players. Just use what you have near you. Take one iron node, turn it into plates, take another turn it into rods. then just keep producing what you need. Once you got the basics how the game works, then you could move to a planner.

[sterile blade]

Personally, I think that you should learn the basics of the game (eg: how splitters work) so that you can make those judgments by yourself

[dense violet]

yeah look, it's not a great calculator, the UI is... less than great.
but if you are going to use it DONT use realistic view

it'll spit out the stupidest layouts

[cunning glade]

Use tools

[dense violet]

they'll generally work, but the program has zero concept of 3 dimensional space or human layouts

[vague apex]

ahh ok i was lol

[dense violet]

I recommend this planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=yULQVgQSoOil18FY7fOI

I made that plan in like... 15 seconds

[cunning glade]

Tools peak greeny made it you'll see him around here

[dense violet]

Satisfactory-calculator.com has a GREAT online map and ... meh calculator
Tools has a GREAT planner and a garbage map

[cunning glade]

I like tools it just doesn't uhhh work with oil loops it seems

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=XwgIXRllVBDDzdIAkq7R

[cunning glade]

Calculator sorry

[dense violet]

ah fair yeah, it doesn't do loops well

[sterile blade]

SaLT is better
||Joke disclaimer||

[last bluff]

I'm waiting on the tower defense update

[dense violet]

and look the SCIM planner isn't awful. There's a lot worse out there. But the UI for tools is just so good.

[vague apex]

ok cool too easy well thank you everyone for the help

[sterile blade]

Factorio is already out though :P

[cunning glade]

New mode is just a alien isolation horror game with the in-game spiders

[dense violet]

and remember, clocking and planning groups like that is the bread and butter to this game - it'll solve most of your problems before they become problems

[last bluff]

Where the vertical dimension

[cunning glade]

Factorio is short I'm hoping space exploration and space age will fix that

Both peak and I love how they're both different

[last bluff]

Modded Factorio goes hard

[cunning glade]

They're both factory games but very different ones

[cunning glade]

Doing a 600% rampant deathworld rn I agree

[last bluff]

That's the crimg option

[sterile blade]

There's like... Half of it below the ground and a lot of it towards the sky

[last bluff]

Though still better than people playing RLCraft

[cunning glade]

Still going on it but my friends getting 5 ups so we have come back too this

[cunning glade]

Nah rampant peak

Normal game bitters aren't really real

[last bluff]

Have you done the belt puzzle game mode? There's no way underground is anything but portals or a pocket dimension

[sterile blade]

BTW, this is #satisfactory

[cunning glade]

Nuh uh

[last bluff]

So golf talk it is

[sterile blade]

I'm just meming, that's why I said "half" ^^

[last bluff]

Oh sorry

I'm German so I don't know jokes

[sterile blade]

Talk sushi to me 🎶

[normal orbit]

German humor, its no laughing matter

[last bluff]

Have you seen the infinite sushi belt Factorio challenge video? That but Satisfactory

I'm surprised Letsgameitout didn't try that outside the first video with iron plates and rods

[sterile blade]

I actually haven't.
Ironically, I didn't do any sushi in F (I also avoid watching stuff online to keep clear of spoilers)

[upbeat jacinth]

That entire run is held together by the insane X-X balancers that shuffles the belts evenly
Just find the biggest X-X balancer in satisfactory and off you go

[viral abyss]

So rain is confirmed but random nodes. Was that confirmed for the update?

[normal orbit]

not confirmed, but hinted at

[viral abyss]

I’m hoping so much

[upbeat jacinth]

2 week til exp and almost nothing directly confirmed other than fluid truck and new junctions yet 💀

[viral abyss]

Well the announced date video confirmed rain so that’s good 🙂

[normal orbit]

well it was confirmed before that :p

[viral abyss]

Oh cool. Lots more players these days and the devs working hard doing so much. Impressive

[normal orbit]

also with the .2 being like a road sign, people are speculating on new vehicle changes too

and mikael did hint at some train stuff

[upbeat jacinth]

I’m betting fixing vehicle light visuals isnt part of it

[normal orbit]

we'll see, currently nothing positive on experimental, they patched it out :o

[sterile blade]

Have you seen the single-input sushi challenge, instead? (SF)

[normal orbit]

that sounds awful

[last bluff]

HELL YEA

Not sure how that'd work with fluids tho

[sterile blade]

Well, sushi is just for solids anyway xD

[last bluff]

Oh I guess, sadly

Imagine a sprinkling machine tho, where you can make your belts slightly wet and get a few % throughput

Wait that's still not sushi

I'd use wet belts on my golf course

[sterile blade]

Just for clarity, I meant something along these lines: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/882159021841342534/Screenshot20210831-07330200000.png?ex=69a5369c&is=69a3e51c&hm=ee888eb94c7db74ccd3b75a5ab6347af1dd88de6bb5931bc149f271aed26feba&

[upbeat jacinth]

Switching fluid recipes to packaged with a mod probably won’t impact much

[last bluff]

Wait don't multi-input machines still work if you input both items on the same belt? Screenshot is weak

[sterile blade]

Also rain

[upbeat jacinth]

Isn’t rain teased in the SFX devblog

Still need visual confirmation

[normal orbit]

you can, but if one item fills up the whole input stops, so its not a good idea

[sterile blade]

Yes they can . I'm not sure what you mean with "screenshot is weak" though

[last bluff]

Sushi belts are never a good idea

[sterile blade]

Debatable

[normal orbit]

they can look neat, but usually jsut more trouble than they worth

[sterile blade]

They teased it several way, last being the droplets on the "1.2" sign ^^

[upbeat jacinth]

With priority mergers they are much more practical now

[mortal ginkgo]

it is doable if your belt flows constantly thanks to constant production + sinks etc

[last bluff]

Miner slurry processing confirmed

[next ivy]

if you already have low throughput items, and then use a manifold sushi belt
its gonna take literal days for buffers to fill and the last machines to start working

[sterile blade]

... Debatable

Eg: depending on design preferences, they might barely affect some "sushi players" at all

[upbeat jacinth]

Damn it’s really the most cryptic update yet

[normal orbit]

that could be fun. miners with pipe in and pipe out. feed it water, get ore slurry which can be processed into more ingots than normal :)

[last bluff]

You are getting a bit too excited about an SF+ mechanic lol

Though I do agree

[sterile blade]

What are you referring to? Manifolds take the same time to fill up, regardless of wether they carry one or more items (it's all down to throughput provided Vs consumption of individual items)

[tropic holly]

Quick question: is it a bad idea to have a gas pipe that supplies something that needs exactly 600m^3/min?

[normal orbit]

no

[sterile blade]

The only exception are manifolds for power generators...

[sterile blade]

It can be, depending on how well you can work withy pipes 😅
Ie: there's no room for errors

[next ivy]

yes but are you going to create massive backpressure for a fairly expensive item, just so buffers fill faster
especially on a sushi belt where space is scarce

[last bluff]

I just realised how they can fix the green energy issue

For solar energy, you need to supply sun and for wind turbines, you need to belt in wind

[sterile blade]

Wether you need to create "bakcpressure" or not depends on wether you manifold the inputs or not. Only balancers (or balancefolds) can change that

[normal orbit]

need a fracking node for air, then pipe it to the wind blades of the turbine to make it spin and it makes less power than the well pressurizer :p

[next ivy]

whats a balancefold

[last bluff]

Exactly!

Imagine if you could build a dam but you need to pipe in your own water as well

[sterile blade]

Manifold where the output belts match consumption exactly (eg: Smelters needing 60/min being fed by MK1 belts off the main manifold line)

[normal orbit]

balance fold is awful when sushi belting tho :p

[next ivy]

awful name for that then

[last bluff]

Where the mk. 0 30/sec belts?

Made from wood and leaves

[next ivy]

30 per second !!!

dayum

[reef basin]

that would be a pretty good belt

[dense violet]

you'll just probably need to loop the manifold

[last bluff]

Oh wait, off by a small margin

[sterile blade]

It's the same regardless of sushi or not...
Though, there might be some complicated edge-cases...

[last bluff]

Sushi belting becomes too easy when using Circuitry but there isn't much you can do vanilla either

[sterile blade]

It's not official 🤷‍♂️
What would you refer to it as?

[normal orbit]

yea, but its more pronouced when sushi. cause the belt being slow going into the machine, the next item of same type can be skipped, and it causes some instability in the feed

doesnt really matter if you dont sushi

[sterile blade]

That's the "edge case" I was mentioning.
Ironically, one of the few things programmable splitters help with

[last bluff]

I suddenly have the urge to use programmable belt speed

Oh what does manifold mean in this context? I just looked up the translation and I'm a bit confused

I know the word from Manifold Key

[normal orbit]

a manifold is just something distributing one thing to multiple

in satisfactory thats mainly one line of splitters or mergers feeding a line of machines

[last bluff]

Ok that makes sense

Seeing the context and stuff

[upbeat jacinth]

A poorly built balancer is a manifold

[normal orbit]

a balancer is technically a manifold, but we satisfactory players do differentiate between em

[last bluff]

My favourite form of balancer is where you combine each output and then split them so you never go over your max throughput

Not sushi though

[subtle nova]

I started a little factory, doing 5 reinforced iron plates, 10 iron plates, 10 iron bar and 20 screws / min, do you think it's alright for a first factory ? It's using only one iron node (overclocked at 90 iron / min). You can see it here #screenshots message

Should i expand it for rotors, or make a new one ?

[sterile blade]

A big difference (logistically) is wether the system needs to fill up all machines before everything is running at 100% (manifold) or not (balancer).
Then there's also differences on the average size and complexity of the logistics and possibilities of using a mix of both...

[dense violet]

can always just combine the parts yo9u're making

[mossy fulcrum]

THE FACTORY MUST GROW

[subtle nova]

Funny 😂, heard about factory independence, like i should do a new factory for new item type or smth

So i don't know if a create a new one on a new node for rotors

[dense violet]

either works.

youre going up the tiers, doesn't really matter as much

[subtle nova]

okay thanks

[mossy fulcrum]

in this game, everything you build, you will eventually tear down and rebuild it to make it more efficient, so it doesnt matter that much

[subtle nova]

Even if i do 100% efficient factory ?

[dense violet]

you'll never know what you need in the future or how you'll want things

[mossy fulcrum]

you cant make that early game

[dense violet]

basically nothing you do will really matter at the end because either

1. you'll just finish phase 5 and be done with the game

or

2. you'll treat the game like a true sandbox and none of your early stuff will be really useful to your own projects at the end

the tiers and milestones are basically there to learn how to play

[mossy fulcrum]

theres faster belts, better recipes, and faster miners so until you fully incorperate the best possible recipes then you cant have 100% efficiency

[dense violet]

eh, different goals and locations will mean different recipes are 'best'

[mossy fulcrum]

so basically, dont stress about it early on and just have fun

[subtle nova]

Okay man thank you

Ill just play the game

[subtle nova]

The ratio are still great for early game ?

[dense violet]

do what you want 🙂

[reef basin]

there's nothing like "better recipe" tho 😛

[mossy fulcrum]

anything that gets rid of screws is a better recipe

[reef basin]

that's not true at all

screws are completely fine

[mossy fulcrum]

yeah but theyre annoying to deal with

[reef basin]

only if you build them wrong

[cold berry]

Okay so, I just ran a train to get my coal to my base. I'm now officially a real satisfactory player (if you haven't made a train yet I've just decided you're not real)

[mossy fulcrum]

honestly though, the most useful alt recipe is steel rotors so you can make motors out of just steel pipes and copper wire

[reef basin]

very expensive

[cold berry]

So what's in experimental? Is it worth opting into?

I will be once 1.2 is being tested if it's a simple opt-in but, is it worth it now?

[dense violet]

fluid trucks

imo generally not worth doing experimentals

[normal orbit]

only very expensive if you value steel higher than copper tbh

cuz if you wanna make a big nuclear plant and some teleports. then copper is something you will value a lot.

[reef basin]

weighted resource efficiency wise, steel rotor is part of most expensive chain out of the three rotor recipes

because copper goes through two refineries where you add water and basically make the rotors out of water and a bit of copper

8 copper ore makes 10 rotors

[normal orbit]

sure, but if you wanna make big nuclear, you need such an amount of copper powder you're using like 90% of the copper on the map to do it. So being able to use steel instead is way more preferable in that situation. Value changes in what you do

[rancid turret]

default rotor and steel rod ends up being the most resource efficient, which vexes me

but when you first start making motors, being able to make them using steel pipe and wire simplifies everything a whole lot

[reef basin]

big nuclear is hardly needed tho

[normal orbit]

no, but its something people want to do

[reef basin]

and yeah if you don't want copper, default rotor is still cheaper than steel rotor

[rancid turret]

hold up why does big nuclear need copper powder

wait, you mean ficsonium?

[normal orbit]

you need to make singularity cells to refine plutonium waste

[rancid turret]

that's an outlier adn should not be counted

[normal orbit]

so there should only be one way to play?

[rancid turret]

no i mean it's so absurd and causes so many problems it's not really relevant to advice to give

only madfolk do it

[reef basin]

you're basing your "you need copper" on your own "one way to play"

[normal orbit]

no i am saying some players might value some materials more than others with how they play

[reef basin]

for sure. Hence why I specified from start "from weighted resource efficiency standpoint"

[normal orbit]

yea but that weighting is based on you

[reef basin]

that weighting is based on map rarity

it's what wiki uses

and yeah I'm not saying that it's the only way to rate resources, but it's the common way to compare resource efficiency in the community

(and again, even if you don't want to do copper, there's still normal rotor + steel rod which uses less steel)

[rancid turret]

it's a useful metric as it lets tools get you close to most people's ideal chain

[dense violet]

eh, a lot of the 'rare' resources aren't used much

like nitrogen is kinda a trash resource

[normal orbit]

theres also some value in simplicity. like steel rotors is same materials as stator, so you just need steel pipe + wire and ya get motors

[dense violet]

sulfur you can avoid in a lot of things

local supply tends to be much more useful but you can't really prog a planner for that

[reef basin]

for me that's hardly valuable, given you still need to build the whole processing, and I don't care if I build two groups of same machines or two groups of different machines (or two groups making same/different recipes), you still have practically same effort in the end

[normal orbit]

but it could be of value to someone else

[rancid turret]

you can't define that with maths

resource weighting is good average to start with

then people can turn off/on recipes to get what they want

[normal orbit]

just seems to hypocritical in nature saying "theres no better recipe" then do a complete 180 and go "no but wait, copper rotors is best"

[reef basin]

I never said that?

I said it's part of more resource efficient chain

[rancid turret]

i didn't say that either

[normal orbit]

your whole debate above is shitting on me for liking steeled rotors over copper, you have an actual opinion

[reef basin]

my opinions are indeed just my opinions

[normal orbit]

which is actually contradicting this: #satisfactory message

[reef basin]

it's not? my opinion is not that copper rotor is better

[rancid turret]

recipes are not chains

[reef basin]

and yeah, that ^

[lavish echo]

Just learned about snapping foundations to the like world grid, I haven’t done that at all and have a couple factories. Will I get messed up when trying to make train lines tomorrow because of it?

[reef basin]

no, world grid is a trap

practically no reason to use it

[rancid turret]

if you really wanna, make your train stations on the world grid, but it's not necessary

[lavish echo]

Ok cool thought I was bouta have a aids mission there

[normal orbit]

if you make a train line, then you can use that as your "grid" whatever grid the stations end up on, use that for the factories

[rancid turret]

most of my early factories are way off of world grid to conform with terrain

[unkempt blade]

Just keep in mind that if it's the only way you're running power and you snip the train line to make adjustments or whatever you'll disrupt the power. I think it's a little easier to accidentally do that when it's not explicitly a "power line" 😆

[normal orbit]

grid as in alignment of foundations

not power

[golden warren]

Hey guys, is there a way of knowing how much concrete per second is needed to fill a train, where I've got it going some distance?

Like I'm struggling with working out what I need since I want to use Wet Concrete and ship it over to where I'm gonna do my HMF factory.
Do I just do it and add more as needed if in finding the factory bottleneck to be concrete?
Or once you get going does the train say how much it's moving per minute?

[dense violet]

generally you figure out how much you need to mvoe and then work your train around that

[rancid turret]

you're shipping wet concrete?

[golden warren]

Or if it's backlogged do I just add another train to the same circular route

[rancid turret]

isn't limestone and water everywhere

[golden warren]

I was gonna put the HMF factory in the northeast

I've taken up the northwest with most of my stuff up till now

[rancid turret]

ah yeah no water there

[golden warren]

So there's a pure node on the midwest

[unkempt blade]

yes it's possible, go read https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput

[golden warren]

But that's a hell of a trek so I dunno how much I need for a train, or how to tell what I need

[rancid turret]

someone already solved train throughput, lemme get the graph

[dense violet]

there's an equation for it, but you can generally eye ball things

[normal orbit]

if you belt 600/min into a terminal, you can't ship more than 600/min to another terminal. more terminals = more rate shipped. distance will dictate thruput and can be mitigated by more trains. but will not go above the input rate of terminal over time

[dense violet]

1 belt per platform

[dusk tundra]

Are they going to remove the visible light rays?

[unkempt blade]

I hope not, they're beautiful

[normal orbit]

the more you input into a terminal the harder it is to maintain the rate.

[golden warren]

Ohh ok, so essentially just start, and if it's backup add another train.
And if it's not filling the other end just add more production.

Or I could do the proper maths with the link above, but is what I've said here what most people simply do

[dense violet]

I mean no, you prob need to eye ball it

at least

[rancid turret]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/3st6opd3w7

time the full round trip of your train and plot it on that graph, that will tell you how much one train car can move

[normal orbit]

place a sink on the recieving end. let it sink for like 5-6 round trips, should give you a pretty good idea on thruput rate

[golden warren]

Oh I thought eyeball it meant look at the conveyors either side haha

[normal orbit]

doesnt really work cuz the train unloads all in one go, so you get max belt thruput until it runs out

[golden warren]

Dunno how I'm gonna fair next phase, end of this phase suddenly felt crazy.
I don't have the brain for this hahahah

[dense violet]

aim for 1 belt per platform, time it, see if it'll fill up before it comes back

[rancid turret]

also use industrial storage containers as buffers on train platforms, as they block when loading/unloading a train

[dense violet]

because concrete stacks for 500 it can generally handle long trips

[golden warren]

Oh does the platform 'fill up' while the trains gone?
Part of the problem is I guess I haven't built any yet so I dunno how it works.
Got overwhelmed with how to plan it

[dense violet]

yeah the platforms store it, the ntrains pick it up

[normal orbit]

yea, terminal fills up continously until the train loads, then it stops filling during load animation (mitigate this with a industrial storage on the input)

[subtle nova]

How do i know how much items/min a train takes to a place from another ? How can i lower or accelerate this ratio ?

[rancid turret]

time it and use the graph i linked above

[normal orbit]

then same on the recieving end, it unloads all in one go, and no output when unload animation goes. so place industrial storage on the output to mitigate that

[dense violet]

time it
see if it'll fill up first

[normal orbit]

terminal ui shows rate, you can increase rate with more train.

or split input into two terminals

[cold berry]

I've got a pretty good factory for everything up to tier 5. I'm thinking of leaving and making a new factory, but just leaving this factory to make shit while I do that.

First time I've done that. Exciting. Got a pic of the front in screenshots. Proud of it ayyye

[rancid turret]

so that graph shows;
ten minutes round trip time + stack size of 500 = about 1400/min, which is more than even a mk6 belt lmao

throughput is a little lower at shorter trip times because that 27 seconds of dead loading/unloading time take up more of the round trip

still, that's a lot of concrete

use two or three freight cars to double or triple that number; the train is not going to be limiting your concrete throughput

[mellow gazelle]

can someone explain why my consum is going over my max consum?

[unkempt blade]

you do have 2 input belts to work with so keep that in mind

[normal orbit]

machines with variable power draw

[next ivy]

which ones are that

[normal orbit]

particle accelerator, converter and quantum encoders

[rancid turret]

you'd lose out with the 27 seconds of dead loading/unloading time

[mellow gazelle]

like particle accelerators and converter thingies?

huh

[unkempt blade]

lose out on what?

[golden warren]

Thanks all 🙂

[unkempt blade]

that load/unload time is going to be there no matter what

[normal orbit]

using two input belts means you need to use two output belts, and you can't control the output to be evenly split, so its a mess to work on, just do one input

[rancid turret]

with an ISC buffering a platform, you use both inputs/outputs to temporarily double throughput of one belt to overcome the 27 seconds of dead time; if you just put two belts in you lose out on that

one belt to one ISC to two belts to platform

[unkempt blade]

I'm still not clear on how using both input belts is losing out on anything

[normal orbit]

you dont lose anything, but getting it work on the other end is a pain

it doesnt split the outputs evenly like a splitter

it just does what it wanna do

[unkempt blade]

pretty easy to manage that with how you set up the consumers on that end

[rancid turret]

if you have two fully loaded belts going in, you won't get two fully loaded belts of throughput

if you give each belt its own station with ISC buffers, you get two fully loaded belts of throughput

[normal orbit]

is it, if its say outputting 300 on one and 600 on the other one time, then 450/450 the next then 600/300 third and 100/800 forth etc

i'm sure you can load balance it, but like, just input into two terminals and the issue goes away

[unkempt blade]

it balances itself... if you have 900 coming out then you make your lines consume 900 total by machine settings and use an appropriate minimum mk of belt

[normal orbit]

it doesnt, industrial storage does not work like a splitter, it can decide to just output on one belt

i've tried it, oh so many times

its so bad

[unkempt blade]

I'm aware. That's why you don't trustit like 50/50 and you instead guarantee that each line is 50/50 if that's the split you need through your consumption number

[normal orbit]

well if you wanna mess with it, go for it. I'll just keep one belt in to each terminal with a buffer and just have it work painfree :)

[unkempt blade]

there's literally no messing with it needed... if your constructors need 450 or something on each branch then build/OC to that amount

[normal orbit]

well sure, if 450 is your target, you can just merge both to one belt. the issue shows when you're over 1200

[unkempt blade]

If you say so. Enjoy your imagined problems

[reef basin]

you don't need them evenly split tho

[normal orbit]

you need to know how much goes where tho

[reef basin]

it's like a manifold, it will eventually even out

[normal orbit]

its highly unreliable with rates over 1200/min

[reef basin]

rates over 1200 are same as multiple belts under 1200

[normal orbit]

cause 1: the output isnt even and 2: train thruput over 1200 can vary by a fair amount

[reef basin]

I mean you want to do one belt per car anyway for trains

[golden warren]

Can you enable Snapping by default?
Or do you always have to start a newarea by remembering to hold control

I have made a very large new space that is now not in the world grid 🙃

[normal orbit]

Don't believe you can

[reef basin]

that's not a problem though, as world grid is a trap and I wouldn't recommend using it

[elfin idol]

man this game is so hot

its like that eve online advert, "this... 'game'. you're not ready for it"

W's in chat for all the devs

[fallow vector]

uhhhh... guys. Anyone know how to change video settings in Satisfactory without using the mouse?
Because I might've borked my game by changing it to fullscreen

[normal orbit]

hm, alt+f4 then delete settings file to reset it?

just first thing coming to mind

[river marsh]

i built my first plastic/rubber and fuel powered plant but the plant is like 2.5kms far from my actual hub, what should i do with excess plastic and rubber bcuz i want the plant to be in a continous cycle for fuel

[normal orbit]

sink it, train it, use it

[fallow vector]

managed to fix it via Steams launch options.

just kinda weird that my Game really doesn't like full screen mode

like my cursor is basically somewhere else than I'm pointin :/

tho not sure if that's a Satisfactory or Linux problem

[normal orbit]

no idea why mouse would stop working in fullscreen, but i've also never used linux

[fallow vector]

considering the way Microsoft is going, might be worth a try tbh

[elfin idol]

why is my lizard doggo just stood and not moving

ima reload

noice it fixed itself

[normal orbit]

honestly yea. kinda waiting on steamos to be more fleshed out on hardware support :p

[reef basin]

that situation is the same for last ten years 😄

[normal orbit]

its been alot worse lately since they went full microslop tho

[golden warren]

Can I 'Bucket fill' the foundation skin/colour on an area?

I wanna change it all to coated concrete

[soft thunder]

can you use packaged fuel with a chainsaw? if so, how do you change fuel types?

[normal orbit]

no bucket fill, but you can right click a color swatch and check foundations and all will be build using that color. alternatively you can color one foundation, and copy it with middle mouse click and all will be built same color

chainsaw is bio nuggies only

[soft thunder]

cheers

[elfin idol]

boy am i glad i didnt dump my last 10 concrete into the basebuilding milestone

that would have bricked my run until i find concrete at a crash site

and with where i am on the map i have a feeling that wouldnt be easy

#screenshots actual cinema timing

[golden warren]

Am I doing it wrong by sending a rail around the map manually.
It's kind of a pain if there's any undulations in the ground.
Do people make like a 5 tall and a 10 tall pillar that's got a single rail segment on that they usually join between?
What's people's go to

Dunno how to make a rail pillar look pretty

[normal orbit]

my goto is making three main rail blueprints. a 5 length one, a 1 length and a sloped one. build it around the map, then i do a support blueprint i add at intervals of my own choosing

[frosty mirage]

Guys, i dont understand smth. Im working on a 80 fuel gen power plant with HOR alt and packaged diluted fuel alt. I created a blueprint with a refinery and 2 packagers in a closed loop (1 packages water, feeds refinery for diluted packaged fuel, 1 unpackages fuel and canisters go to water packagers), but i think i need to manually feed the canisters? Should i feed each water packager with its production per minute?

[golden warren]

Oh so yours were always going straight?
I'm just kinda joining mine onto existing ends and it's doing a lot of natural curves

[normal orbit]

no

i curve with the 1 length

[golden warren]

Could you share waht your 5 and 1 length look like?

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message this is how i build

#screenshots message and a few of my designs i've done

not the only way to do it, but its my preferred way

[golden warren]

Godamn, looks smart as hell

So do you then just build the rail onto the blueprint after?
Or was that an unfinished blueprint, in your first link

[normal orbit]

the purple one was before auto connect is a thing

so i laid tracks after

[golden warren]

Gotcha

[normal orbit]

also auto connect doesnt work with how i curve there, so i add tracks after the curve

[golden warren]

the only mod I've got on is a curve mod so I mgiht go and do some pre-built tracks like this, thank you

Good inspo haha

That second link woah

[normal orbit]

those all unmodded

[jagged nymph]

for some reason for me whenever i fullscreen any program, my mouse becomes completely invisible

is it a similar thing to that?

unless the game has "exclusive fullscreen" mode

[river marsh]

i have a rubber/plastic and fuel plant 2.5kms away, should i wait to unlock trains and then use that to transport the rubber/plastic back to base or should i just make a route with truck

[jagged nymph]

depends, for what reason do you need to transport it back

is it to use in other machines, or just for storage

[river marsh]

what if its just for storage

[jagged nymph]

if its just for storage id say dont even bring it back

[river marsh]

and what if its for machines

[jagged nymph]

id say first figure out if you even need to make the thing youre making at your base

and if you dont, maybe you can make it on site at the oil plant

[river marsh]

so you mean to say i should avoid transporting stuff over long distances wherever i possibly can

[jagged nymph]

but if you do, use trucks or a long belt

[jagged nymph]

yeah, if you dont need to transport it, its probably better not too

[river marsh]

alright i just wanted ease of access, might build a hyper tube all across the distance then

[river marsh]

also why not trains?

[jagged nymph]

for example if its just for storage, have a couple storage containers and then a dimensional depot on the end. If you are using more than whats going in the depot, you can hypertube cannon over there, grab some, and launch back

[jagged nymph]

you said you dont have trains yet

[reef basin]

you can also just get more depots 😛

[jagged nymph]

that works too

[river marsh]

yes but i can almost unlock them since i just unlocked truck and we unlock both of them at almost same time

[jagged nymph]

id still say dont transport it unless you need too. you can always go bak and setup a train later if you need to

[river marsh]

okay

[covert quarry]

i have a question, i need an input of 798 plastic per minute now lets say i use mk5 belts that can only transport 780 per minute will it cause a delay?

[normal orbit]

yes

780 is less than 798, so you'll be 18 short

[covert quarry]

so a solution would simply be more belts?

[normal orbit]

correct

[covert quarry]

thanks

[covert quarry]

but lets say i were to merge 798 together and split it off again to make it equal that should work too right?

[reef basin]

if you merge it, you need mk6 belt

[normal orbit]

you need to split it before it gets to 798

[limber moss]

I'm planning to build a 300/min turbofuel plant that will get me to Tiers 7 & 8. That means:

• 240/min sulfur
• 240/min coal
• 540/min crude oil
  However, I'm just wondering - should I build separate "modules" of this factory, or giant manifolds i.e. feeding the ingredients to all 16 refineries producing turbofuel from a single belt? I have both Mk4 conveyors and Mk2 pipes unlocked already, I'll add

[normal orbit]

say you have 40 machines making that. could just take one belt out after 20 of them, and second belt after the other 20

[normal orbit]

at a glance, all of that would fit on mk3 belts and in a mk2 pipe, so wouldnt matter?

[simple pebble]

Wait, Mk5 belts really are 780? I always thought they were 720 💀

[normal orbit]

the game says speed :)

[limber moss]

Oh, so it'll just take longer to reach peak efficiency, but will work later anyway? Splendid

[untold zealot]

Before I start planning dreams too big for reality, how does the "Truck automatically drives between two truck stops" work?

[normal orbit]

dont think it would take any longer if i'm honest. 2 pipes of 300 would be same speed as 1 at 600.

[untold zealot]

Do I need to manually drive the route, does it have severe limitations, when should I use that instead of just a really long conveyer belt? D:

[normal orbit]

you need to manually map out the route first

record it, then load it into the truck

[limber moss]

Yes, I meant if it would take longer since it's not a balancer setup, but a manifold one

[spice patio]

You drive the route manually once, where every X seconds you drop waypoint, until you have a loop.
Then you can save that, manually remove some of the waypoints if you want to, and put it into use for any amount of same type of vehicle.

[untold zealot]

Aaaah fair enough.

[spice patio]

Where the vehicles will try to drive direct to next waypoint all the time, leading them to lagging little from what you drove yourself in turns.

[normal orbit]

mk 2 pipe volume is larger, but mk1 is two pipes. with pipes reaching max flow input into them instantly, i dont think it really makes any diffrence. once pipes full it starts filling the manifold and then machine useage determines fill speed mainly

[limber moss]

Alrighty. Thanks :3

[weak bloom]

I have this built right now with mk1 pipes, two 300 pipes feeding the crude to the 8 fuel refineries, output of those going into one "loop" pipe that splits and feeds the 16 turbofuel refineries from either end. That's how I got around the mk1 limitation, with mk2 you don't need the loop

[limber moss]

Noted

[normal orbit]

adding a pump before a manifold helps tremendously

[limber moss]

True, I actually learned it the hard way haha

[muted tapir]

Iron wire or reroll for stitched iron plate?

Or reroll for something else

[normal orbit]

iron wire is quite useful imo

[limber moss]

I agree. Especially considering the fact that copper is rarer than iron in the world

[muted tapir]

Got you, I'll yoink it up then

[elfin idol]

andddd i need to find crash sites for reinforced plates

god damnit

[zenith pecan]

I have 4 floors of iron wire just for one facility just so I could reserve the copper for my particle accelerators.

[normal orbit]

Haven't you heard. We're not allowed to do that

[zenith pecan]

Welp, A> nobody told me, and B> I really don't care, my game my rules 😛

[normal orbit]

Scroll up a bit :p

[zenith pecan]

Too much scrolling, cba.

More nuclear bombing is due in the swamp it seems, so much land to clear.

[placid sigil]

what do u guys do while waiting for ur materials to get made

[untold zealot]

Explore!

[placid sigil]

good idea

im going to exterminate all of the wild life

[zenith pecan]

Build other things, draw up expansion plans, explore, look for spheres/sloops/slugs.

[jade parcel]

So guys and girls soon i can play satisfactory on my new gaming setup 3 x 55 zoll 4k tv monitor will be here in a week ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[white dawn]

hah, no clue; I personally doubt that they'd be interested in working on a sequel anytime soon. Perhaps if The Hypothetical Next Game™ doesn't do well or something and they decide to fall back on old times or whatever. :D

Presumably it'd at least be a new planet (ie: new map, etc). But I'd have a hard time thinking of stuff that'd still "feel" Satisfactory but warrant being a whole new game, apart from a new map

[proven snow]

Explore to get stuff or build a bigger factory so I don’t have to wait as much

[jade parcel]

Farming biomass

[placid sigil]

im at coal power rn

[jade parcel]

I skyping coal most time i ever played and youse biomass until i can youse oil

[jagged nymph]

that is the worst take ive ever heard 😭

[placid sigil]

whats the harm in making both

[jagged nymph]

i would go insane if i had to wait till fuel power to get away from biomass

[jagged nymph]

none this guy is just wierd tbh

[jade parcel]

I dont build so mutch i also rehulate the system with power on of center

[jade parcel]

I am not weard i just play it so becouse i dont like coal

[white dawn]

Certainly nothing wrong with playing the game how you want, of course! But I would wager you're in a vanishingly small minority by skipping coal. :)

Coal power's one of the main pressure points to get folks to hurry up and get into Phase 2. :D

[jade parcel]

Its more intresting becouse you had to manage more
I also not expand fast i take a mine and until i not get the max out of the mine i will not expand it. And i play so that belts are only alowed if the fabrik is in the same build all the mats need to transportet via lkw and train

If no fabrik here

I also had only 1 main factory means i need to make a good logistic system

[elfin idol]

oh my god sf+ with no manual crafting is actually lethal but im loving it

[placid sigil]

in the end how u play falls to u

[jade parcel]

I like to play for long time and a bit more realistic

[placid sigil]

for example my factory looks like super spegetti

[elfin idol]

few qol mods here and there but nothing that would make it easier, only stuff that makes logical sense to actually exist

[elder oracle]

yaey

[elfin idol]

actually hell but also super fun

[placid sigil]

i like making stuff as efficient as possible but i dont really care how the factory looks

[jade parcel]

Thats the reason why i start fresh again again and again

[elfin idol]

yk what would be cool, if at the end of ur SF playthrough you could see a timelapse of the whole map from when you started

[placid sigil]

i only played around 4 playthroughs and the max i reached was tier 3

[elfin idol]

i think that would be sick

[placid sigil]

phase 3*

[elder oracle]

I think we should be able to automate Xeno-bashers

for no reason at all

[elfin idol]

but

oh ok xd

[jade parcel]

I think we should make ammo for the helldivers

[placid sigil]

ok you have no excuse for this one 😭

this is the real insane take

[elder oracle]

me personally I just really want to make a video on “I made the best weapon farm in Satisfactory!”

but mostly I want to do it cuz why not

[coral glacier]

Harvesting the power of the stars.

[jagged nymph]

satisfactory: space age

[leaden turret]

I tried a playthrough where I would regularly make saves to make a timelapse when I was done, buuuuuuut it made cloud sync take ages 😅

[zenith bear]

So I need to use the manufacturer to create computers for the railway signaling milestone. Does this mean it's time for me to build railways?

[white dawn]

Rail is a fantastic logistics option that gives back more and more, the more you become invested in it. I personally recommend it! Start small: pick a simple A->B transfer and build some rail for it. Then when you next need logistics (from C->D) see if it makes sense to hook that into the network. Over time the rail grows and routes get used by more and more trains, etc

The main drawback to rail is the time it takes to set up the infrastructure, but it pays dividends in the end

(Plus you get a nice scenic Pioneer transit system, to boot!)

[zenith bear]

Right. Makes sense

I'll start tampering with them. It's not like I have a time limit with this game

[white dawn]

One other tip: if you ever think that you'll have more than one train on the same bit of rail (which is nearly always eventually the case), do a "dual-rail" system, like lanes on a road. Each bit of rail is one-way. Pick left-hand or right-hand drive and stick to it. :)

You can do single-rail systems with multiple trains but it's really difficult to scale up, and generally not worth the bother

[zenith bear]

That's where block sections and all that mess come in, right?

[white dawn]

Yeah. Start with just Block Signals -- you can ignore Path when you're first starting out. The signals divide your rail into "blocks," and the game won't allow more than one train into a block at the same time

Enclose your intersections with signals so the intersection is one big block, and then put signals every 200-300m or so on straightaways. :)

[zenith bear]

I don't have railway signals yet anyway

[white dawn]

When you're placing signals the game will show you coloration on the rail so you can know what it thinks the blocks are

[autumn path]

Just went from 4.5 GW to 50GW

[cold berry]

Trying mods out now. Really excited.

[autumn path]

Now to decide what to use it for

smart! is great for building faster and no blueprints required for alot of stuff

[normal orbit]

a singular overclocked and slooped quantum encoder :3

[zenith bear]

So am I able to just put two stations with a loading platform each and connect them with rails and call it a day?

[rocky depot]

How do ppl get so many sloops

[cold berry]

My favorite mod I added was "Modular Load Bearers" and "Architecture + (01-05)". Special mention to "Daisy Chain machine wires" because I fucking hate cable management and it makes it SO MUCH easier

[rocky depot]

are they that common?

[autumn path]

you can build them latter

[normal orbit]

yes you can, will be a pain to expand on it tho

[zenith bear]

What's the ideal way to build a single two-station starter rail network then?

[normal orbit]

two parallell tracks

[cold berry]

If it's like OpenTTD, you're going to want the station to be parallel to the tracks so that trains can pass it while it's in the station

[cold berry]

Ye

[normal orbit]

which are directional by using signals

[cold berry]

I was going to say that part but I haven't done signaling yet in this game as I only have one train so far.

[zenith bear]

This is something I'll probably just have to learn by trial and error

[cold berry]

But I have space to make a parallel track because I know that from OpenTTD

[normal orbit]

stations and signals are directional in nature. So its kind of natural to do tracks directional as well

[zenith bear]

And should stations be built on foundations

[cold berry]

And I don't have to worry about a city expanding over my line and ruining it 😭

[cold berry]

I would just to avoid ground clipping but that's just me. I don't think they have to from when I placed mine

But it makes it easy to work off of

[normal orbit]

yea trains ignore terran features, its down to your own sense of aesthetics and tolerance of clipping :p

[zenith bear]

And how do freight platforms work

[cold berry]

Personally, Clipping is an affront to God and Satan both. It's where they agree.

That's why clipping doesn't happen IRL you see

[normal orbit]

freight platforms can either load or unload materials. when they're doing it, they will not input or output, so having a storage as a buffer helps with that. they also mimic train, so the cargo car after train engine will correspond to the terminal after the station.

[leaden turret]

friction welding

[wild hollow]

Hitboxes also don't exist IRL

[leaden turret]

baked alaska is ice cream clipped inside meringue

[next ivy]

you wanna test that hypothesis ?

[leaden turret]

Accident & Emergency departments would also disagree 😛

[leaden turret]

hit boxes, not hurt boxes 😛

[next ivy]

touch grass
if you cant, hitboxes arent real

[cold berry]

I'm a certified welder and I do wanna say, in friction welding there's liquification during that process even if only for a fraction of a second. Heat based Liquification was Michael's contribution to the simulation to get around the mass-energy friction glitch, we just abuse the error processing for production. ||/S because I'm going too long, I'm not a crazy, just so y'all know||

[wild hollow]

Wdym I can't place a power pole in between two constructors on the intersection between the foundations? 🙁 #yellowclippingisfine

[leaden turret]

irregular reminder that grass is where dogs pee, why you wanna touch where dogs pee?

[cold berry]

Yellow clipping is fine when you visually inspect it and it looks physically possible. If not, yeet that shit out of your world faster than the speed of fucking light

Can't press delete fast enough

[normal orbit]

no clipping would invalidate every factory i make :p

heck my train lines would look awful with no clipping

[wild hollow]

True. The ability to place a power pole on already existing power lines helps a lot with impossiclipping :3

[leaden turret]

my hair would look awful with no clipping

[cold berry]

My man here just wants to make infinite clipping jokes

[wild hollow]

Hair is spaghetti, go bald

[cold berry]

They have been alright jokes, I'm just making an observation about how many

[leaden turret]

my venn diagram would look awful with no clipping 🤓

[normal orbit]

lol

[cold berry]

If you clip too much, it escalates from Z-Battling to a Z-War. Be careful. So much bloodshed.

[orchid sphinx]

do we know what all is coming in 1.2 yet?

[wild hollow]

Fun fact, venn means friend in Norwegian. ☕ It's a friend diagram because you have things in common.

[cold berry]

IDK but I'm comparing the feature list against my new mod list, and I just started playing two weeks ago, so if the mod list is more enticing I'm not doing the update until it's stable. So I'll be like Squidward looking through the glass at y'all

[leaden turret]

reminder that mods break on new releases

[orchid sphinx]

playing with mods at 2 weeks 😭

what has this become

[cold berry]

I played 120 hours vanilla DW

I uh. Went crazy.

And I only install like up to 50 mods in games usually. I don't go for kitchen sink.

My Minecraft modded is my most mods at a whopping ||87||

[orchid sphinx]

tbh with satisfactory anything over 10 becomes kitchen sink to me

my first save that i beat the game on was 145 hours and i wasn't happy with how much sort of skipping I did for that with hand feeding machines towards the end

[normal orbit]

cann add pipe t junctions :)

[orchid sphinx]

we already have t junctions on pipes tho?

[normal orbit]

no

[cold berry]

I think I have 20? And a lot of them are very small. Like 10 of them are large to me, and of that 10, 5 of them are extensions of the same mod (architecture+)

[orchid sphinx]

yes

[jagged nymph]

the only mods i use is infinite zoop and more inventory slots

[cold berry]

I don't like a lot of mods. I also don't like a small amount of mods. I always go for a medium amount of mods. Underrated amount of mods.

[normal orbit]

we have 4 way junctions no t junctions

[orchid sphinx]

whats the point tho... the 4 way functions as a t when you only connect 3 pipes

[normal orbit]

looks nicer when only using three

[jagged nymph]

for aesthetics

[cold berry]

That extra nub coming off the side makes me want to kill God. This is why

[untold moat]

Forgo aesthetics, encase everything in concrete

[leaden turret]

@green fiber do fluids slosh around inside unused pipe junction terminals?

[leaden turret]

brutalism is an aesthetic

[zenith bear]

Y’know… for this specific project I might just build a truck and haul the materials myself

[orchid sphinx]

I only use Cartography and shorter hard drive research because im not waiting 10 minutes for every drive when i go on a hunt and bring back like 20

[jagged nymph]

oh yeah i forgot i use instant hard drive scans too

[orchid sphinx]

regardless the buffer would be miniscule and would be instantly filled

[cold berry]

Brutalism, when you use proper brutalism techniques to add dimensional intrigue like you're supposed to, goes so hard in this game

[white dawn]

You can also construct a MAM when out in the field and start research right away. Research will continue even after you deconstruct it

[untold moat]

it is probably arguably negligible... until you have a few thousand in your network, then it can turn into a not-work.

[orchid sphinx]

I know but when i do the hunt im only spending like 2 minutes between each

[white dawn]

It's still possible to find drives now quickly than the research finishes, but the chances of coming back with 20 are quite low

[jagged nymph]

yeah but when i go on a run to grab like 10 hard drives i aint waiting an hour and a half to see what recipes i got

[cold berry]

I've done a few factories now, and I always find it really pleasing to combine the copper and caterium facilities

Out of nowhere I just wanted to say that

[untold moat]

do you not just bring a MAM with you while hunting?

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message t-junctions :p

[white dawn]

That's the point; you typically don't have to. Just research as you find them. :)

[orchid sphinx]

as i explained i map out which ones i want to go to and where they are and spend like 2 minutes travelling between each

[jagged nymph]

yeah but its like one minute in between each hard drive

they arent hard to find

[untold moat]

if there are 20 drives you go to find, and its 2 minutes between each one, that is 38 minutes of travel time, not counting the round trip time from the base, or 4 drives that can scan during that time. and if you know what recipes you want, you can just build the facility while you scan the HDDs in.

[jagged nymph]

wait guys here me out

a hard drive scanner machine with an item input

[versed mesa]

Hello all

[orchid sphinx]

hear me out: I dont care, its not that deep, i just prefer to do it how i do.

[jagged nymph]

so you can put your hard drives iun a chest and it auto scans them

[versed mesa]

The 17th will be here before we know it

Like tomorrow is already 2nd March

[untold moat]

even better, a MAM+ that has a belt input and queueable research

[jagged nymph]

that too

mk2 mam

[untold moat]

mamk2

[jagged nymph]

makam2mk22km

[white dawn]

I suppose I'm always also gathering spheres and sloops and DNA when out in the field. It's quite rare for me to outrun the research time by much

[versed mesa]

Id love to have a space map to build factory in space

[jagged nymph]

satisfactory: space age

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[white dawn]

Even after multiple playthroughs and knowing where many of the sites are

[versed mesa]

@jagged nymph add on DLC

[leaden turret]

adds fedora to mam

[jagged nymph]

factorio: space age already exists

[white dawn]

I'll generally have no more than a small handful of drives left unresearched by the time I'm back

[versed mesa]

Tbh I dont think i want to try that game out lol

[jagged nymph]

yeah but satisfactory space age would just feel like a copy of that

or people would say that atleast

especially if they called it space age

[versed mesa]

Ok but still make it happen lol

[jagged nymph]

but satisfactory with interplanetary logistics would be sick

[versed mesa]

Facts

[prime stratus]

any good rotor factory im rn in phase 3 just started it and need help

[jagged nymph]

wdym

[prime stratus]

i need rotors and help on what to do cus i just compleated phase 2 and im overwhelmed

[jagged nymph]

make a factory that makes rotors

make rods, make screws, combine in an assembler

[versed mesa]

@jagged nymph different planet maps will have there different machine layout like this map we have now has it own theme and another map will change ect

[prime stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/asc-gif-22146012

[jagged nymph]

and different planets could have rarer resources like maybe theres a planet with tons of sulfur but its super far away so it needs a tone of fuel to get a rocket there

and rocket fuel would have another great use

for use in, yknow, rockets

[versed mesa]

Yeah exactly you think it and ill take it 😂

[twin parcel]

u expecting them to handcraft a planet size maps

[jagged nymph]

yes exactly

nah i mean this will never happen, were just thinkin of ideas'

[versed mesa]

😂

We dreaming

[twin parcel]

bruh , the devs are humans mate , unless they wanna overwork like japan .

[ornate saffron]

although a new contenant would be cool. id pay $50 for that

[jagged nymph]

if they did add multiple planets they would almost surely not be fully handcrafted

[leaden turret]

regular reminder that the current continent is the size of half the island of manhattan.

don't need new planets, just new continents.

[versed mesa]

Goid job AI is here now to help support us humans 😂

[twin parcel]

agreed

[jagged nymph]

id spend any amount of money for more content tbh this game is too good

[versed mesa]

Facts

[leaden turret]

February 24th, 2026
Q&A: Does CSS use AI code generation with Satisfactory?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfsrO1euRvQ

We have not had AI write a single line of code for Satisfactory.

We have not had AI do a single creative asset for Satisfactory.

[versed mesa]

😂

[jagged nymph]

and it will surely stay that way

[twin parcel]

i wish to see ships cruising on a sea with weather conditions , and make the existing maps harder due to weather mechanicss

[normal orbit]

considering how bad ai is at coding, probably yes :p

[ornate saffron]

Oroboros coding

[leaden turret]

[insert colin mocherie quote here]

[versed mesa]

While we sleep AI has made million games in 1 night sleep 😂

[jagged nymph]

but those games arent fun, are buggy, and have no story or creativity

[ornate saffron]

and none of them are playaBLE

[versed mesa]

😂

[jagged nymph]

bro pressed a and caps lock at the same time

[leaden turret]

the only positivity of AI in game dev is the possibility that it one day makes actually good games, so no gamedev has an excuse for making shovelware.

ignoring the whole copyright theft engine thing.

[twin parcel]

the ai is smart at acting smart , but not great executing complex coding project , all bark no action . no offence ai u suck .

[ornate saffron]

But we are slidding into #off-topic-general here lol

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[ornate saffron]

@jagged nymph how fairs the factory

[jagged nymph]

huh

[ornate saffron]

im askiung how your save is going silly

[jagged nymph]

oohh

pretty good, boutta automate modular engines later to finish up phase 3

[versed mesa]

We not got true AI yet just wait for it its almost here 😂

[ornate saffron]

woot woot.

Im working on ACU still. This facility is going to be huige

[jagged nymph]

how many per minute

im only making 4

[ornate saffron]

just two but im making a bunch of other things for pioneers use too

#screenshots message

[jagged nymph]

ohh yeah that factory

[ornate saffron]

its going slowly but surely. I am in no rush.

[jagged nymph]

why only 5 quartz crystals and silica?

[ornate saffron]

got all my steel beams and pipes done

[jagged nymph]

oh are you just using the excess quartz

[jagged nymph]

nice

[ornate saffron]

IO feel like i dont need more for pioneers use

[rugged rune]

is there a way to change the distance at which the roll up gate triggers?

[jagged nymph]

true

[jagged nymph]

no

[ornate saffron]

Im cooked today, Ive reheated the same coffeee three times and left it on the counter

[versed mesa]

Whats the total number of Oil nodes including purrizer spots

[ornate saffron]

SCIM is your best bet

[versed mesa]

Right that's true

[elder oracle]

Remember to flush your Nuclear Waste down the toilet!

[ornate saffron]

or give it to doggo. Or fill as truck and drive it into the void

[elder oracle]

Or just pull a LGIO

[ornate saffron]

OR

Just make pluto \rods from it

[round pollen]

a bird is in my smelter

im trying to upgrade a conveyor belt how do i get the bird out

[elder oracle]

the birds are weird

[jagged nymph]

i think i probably wont finish phase 5 on this save. I think after phase 4 ill start a new save in which i will megafactory

[ornate saffron]

pics?

I have a crocodile train hub

[round pollen]

i cant send images

[jagged nymph]

correct

not in this channe;

[ornate saffron]

oooh i thought you ment it looks like a bird

[elder oracle]

it’s kill on sight for me cuz the birds interfere with my factory

[versed mesa]

I never even completed phase 5 lol

[jagged nymph]

me neither

i havnt even completed phase 4 before. ALthough, this save is going way better than my previous ones

im definitely on track to complete phase 4

[elder oracle]

lowk I just started another save cuz my old best save got corrupted

[sly stag]

hi

[versed mesa]

@jagged nymph every got to stimulated fir me i need a step back and try think on things and return again eventually

[versed mesa]

Great job

[cold berry]

This is my first save. But the tactic seems, to me, to be to make a lot of parts

Like a lot of parts

Glad I could help

[elder oracle]

I named my save “longest name in satisfactory” and I tamed a lizard doggo and it was autonamed “DoggoWithLongName”

[jagged nymph]

yeah thats what they are by default

[ornate saffron]

sounds like youve been watching to much animes

[elder oracle]

I don’t watch anime

[versed mesa]

I tell you something we probably most likely to see in 1.2 and thats new cosmetics

[jagged nymph]

"I built a factory and optimized the fuck out of it: the adventures of a ficsit pioneer"

[versed mesa]

New stuff coming to token shop maybe to unlock

[jagged nymph]

thatd be cool

[versed mesa]

This my deep thoughts

[ornate saffron]

Doggo side car for the explorer. SO doggo can come with you

[versed mesa]

Thats funny specially a squad of them in one vehicle 😂

[elder oracle]

I don’t even know where my doggo even is

[ornate saffron]

feed all the doggos and let them roam

[elder oracle]

I do

mostly if I find any

[weak bloom]

oh wow alien power augmenter is OP, just slotted it in and got 1860MW basically for free

[jagged nymph]

yeah, its pretty great

[ornate saffron]

500 plus 10% of your grid total

[weak bloom]

and it'll only scale better going forward

[ornate saffron]

I use them for exploring atm lol

[jagged nymph]

thats a good idea actually

for those hard drives

[weak bloom]

how do you use them for exploring?

[ornate saffron]

harddrives

[weak bloom]

....what does that have to do with the power augmenter?

[ornate saffron]

when you need 300mw to open a harddrive cache. you plop it down oipen then disassemble

[weak bloom]

ohhhhhh

[ornate saffron]

Ill Likely use 5 or so to keep runing as i build to nuclerar

[simple pebble]

Is there a way to partially delete an elevator if you made too much?

[ornate saffron]

i dont think so. But at least you get 100% back when dismantling

[weak bloom]

dismantling a factory and setting up like 6 awesome sinks to dump all the industrial storage containers I have in here 🙃

[zenith pecan]

I think sections between stops can be removed without eliminating the whole thing, sec. nope, the whole lift gets delited, oh well.

[timber plover]

#screenshots somebody know?

[next ivy]

destroy the bottom

[timber plover]

Doesn't do anything

[ornate saffron]

i dont think that one can be destroyed yet.

[normal orbit]

Those are indestructible

[timber plover]

😢

[normal orbit]

Very annoying

[timber plover]

Yeah it is for building in the red forest lol

[ornate saffron]

maybe 1.2

[normal orbit]

Yup

[timber plover]

I hope so...it shouldn't be that difficult to make it destructable no?

especially because the big ones are destructable

[ornate saffron]

the others are 🤷 My guess they are working on a unique animatioon rather then they all just float away. Exploding seed pod or something

the otehrs were not destructable until 1.1

[normal orbit]

Yea round ones are. But the conikal ones can't

[timber plover]

I hope it will be otherwise I'm cooked

[white dawn]

@snow apex (re: #screenshots message ) -- Modeller isn't better (nor is sftools better). They're very different apps with completely different use-cases

sftools is a solver/calculator. You want to plug in a production rate and get a production plan in less than a second, and trivially play around with recipe selections, sftools is your place to go

Modeller is a planner/modeller, which happens to do a lot of math for you. If you want to lay out specific machines/belting/etc and manually choose recipes as you go, then that's what you'd use

Some folks only use one of the two, some folks use both in conjunction, some folks use neither.

[ornate saffron]

@snow apex The screen shot aint fgfor me i sue spreadsheets and use toolds to confirm my math

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message steam notes best :D

[last bluff]

Whoops I played too much Satisfactory when I needed to sleep and now whenever I get tired, I see gi- GIANT ENEMY SPIDER

It's burnt into my eyelids. I must suffer for my cause

[ornate saffron]

that is one tool i rarely use. Glaed its a thing though. I got a notepad

[white dawn]

I'm sure we've all got a litany of text files strewn in our wakes, in addition to whatever other tools we may be using. :P

[leaden turret]

perfect reminder why the game doesn't have VR

[last bluff]

tenor.com/embed-skillissue

[last bluff]

If horror games do, this game can too

[leaden turret]

🥽

[last bluff]

Tbh I'm on edge even around any cliff just as much, without spiders in sight

[white dawn]

Heh, the real reason for not having official VR support is essentially just that nobody at CSS really cares. I'm sure if they had some passionate VR advocates in there it would've made it onto a project plan, but as-is I don't think anyone over there has the drive to make it happen

[last bluff]

The golf gambit

[white dawn]

And it doesn't feel like the kind of thing that'd be financially worth outsourcing, like they did for the console version

[last bluff]

VR as DLC

[white dawn]

From what I've heard, there's some pretty decent "generic" Unreal Engine convert-the-game-to-VR software out there which should work okay with Satisfactory, at least

[white dawn]

Honestly I suspect the financial risk is just too much for it, in the absence of passionate internal supporters

[last bluff]

If the Steam glasses get any popular, maybe they might

[ornate saffron]

In my experience any game that isn't designed for VR from the beginning is destined to be a Vomit Festival

[white dawn]

You've really gotta have someone in the company who believes in that kind of technology to push something like that forward. The VR market remains awfully niche

[normal orbit]

vr and hypertube launcher sounds like creating a vomit rocket

[leaden turret]

VR costs too much, aint happenin.

[white dawn]

If Steam glasses even manage to make it to market in the wake of AI datacenters eating up all available electronics

[last bluff]

That's exactly why I want it tbh

Slide jumping off a cliff escaping the spiders and into some crab nests

[white dawn]

-# Vomit Festival is my GWAR cover band

[last bluff]

I want vomit to be a ranged attack

[leaden turret]

looks at spitters

[last bluff]

YES

Well the stuff cliff hogs shoot looks more like it

[leaden turret]

those are flinging rocks

me casts psychic damage

||cliff hogs aren't kicking up rocks, they have a front-mounted butthole||

[lavish whale]

I just discovered that blueprints made in the Mk1 blueprint designer cannot be loaded into the Mk2 designer. Is this a bug that's going to be fixed or do I need to submit a feature request/bug report? I'm running Satisfactory CL#463028

[last bluff]

I'll be flinging rocks when my camera tumbles riding cables in vr

[normal orbit]

not a bug, cause size diffrent it wouldnt know where to place it, so you can just manually place a mk1 bluepring into a mk2 designer and resave it

[white dawn]

It's more Intended Behavior than bug, btw. You can at least place the mk1-created blueprint in the mk2 designer

[leaden turret]

intended behaviour, presumably mostly surrounding stopping people trying to load mk.2 blueprints in a mk.1 etc.

[spare prism]

Just don’t be weak 🤣

Hmmm motion sickness

[lavish whale]

Thanks for the quick replies and information, I appreciate it!

[last bluff]

I just realised I never tried putting an mk1 into an mk2

8 meter headway is enough, right?

[normal orbit]

i can easily understand why you can't load em. like should it be placed in middle, a random corner, etc. its a better system to build it inside the designer so you can control where you want it if you wanna expand it in one specific direction

[last bluff]

Loading into a smaller designer should be impossible but other games just went with some solution which looked most logical when going bigger and no one complains about that

Though I'm then just advocating for a small QoL feature of having 2 solutions, rather than something like upgrading your Animal Crossing home where you can't just easily place down your design inside the bigger space

[last bluff]

It is a nothingburger, there is a way to get around it, but I don't think Satisfactory found the best solution compared to quite a list of games which had to tackle the same problem

[normal orbit]

i've a feeling if they allow it and just decide to place it center, people will definatly complain about it

[leaden turret]

if is nothingburger, go makeithappenburger https://jobs.coffeestain.com/jobs/7113819-senior-programmer