satisfactory

[normal orbit]

compounding the waste issue would not be... ideal :p

[west jackal]

what abt the ficsonium ones?

[normal orbit]

you can, would also help with the dark matter, but the quantum encoders also cost 4 per

like if you wanna add a few more sloops thru scim to do that. not an issue imo :p

your game, your playstyle

[west jackal]

i might, but i think for this playthrough i wont

[normal orbit]

or get the silly uploader bug with sloops, so each time i load the game i get 2 more sloops :p

[west jackal]

i tried loading up my old 300h save and all my nuclear broke 🙁

[west jackal]

huhh!

[normal orbit]

yea, theres a bug with the manual uploader in your inventory where i think if you die while its uploading, they get kinda stuck there and each time you load the game, they reappear

[west jackal]

interesting

[normal orbit]

mebbe css will fix that in 1.2 :p

its kinda annoying cause its not easy to undo the bug

[spare prism]

What’s the difference between a power switch and a Priority power switch?

[versed mesa]

On the 27th we will find out when 1.2 will go into experimental

[spare prism]

Oh it’s drag and drop I see

[ornate saffron]

priority switches let you sety up power tier lists. so if you blow a fuse things that are top priority (lets say you power plant) stay active

[west jackal]

priority can automatically turn off factories if you set it up right and you can set priorities so shit dont all break

sapphic how does that work if you have power storage btw?

[normal orbit]

switch is on/off, priority will automatically shut down sections with a lower priority when power runs out

[west jackal]

do factories switch off when going to power storage

[normal orbit]

no

[west jackal]

shoot

[normal orbit]

when power storage runs out tho

[west jackal]

so switching off is a last resort type thing

i wish you could monitor when a factory is overflowing with materials and then it switches off

like oh that conveyor is moving at 0 p/min turn the whole factory off, then when the conveyor starts moving again it can turn it back on

[normal orbit]

you kind of can, priority switches show the grids they connect to, so if you see one grid with very low consumption and high max, then you can guess its full and idle

[west jackal]

they dont show the grid connected to?

atleast the one that i have shows the same grid on both sides?

[normal orbit]

they show two graphs, the whole grid and the individual grid

[white dawn]

The two graphs will only differ if the switch is set to "off"

[normal orbit]

if they show same graph, you have power lines connected not going thru power switch negating its functionality

[white dawn]

When the switch is on, it's one big grid, so the graphs will be the same

If you have power-generation machine on both "sides," then yeah, you could flip off the switch and see the individual consumption/production values, but in most cases you wouldn't really be able to do that. (I suppose the side without power would probably at least show "max consumption" though)

[west jackal]

that may be happening would need to check

[white dawn]

Nah, if the switch is on, then the graphs on both sides will be basically identical

[elfin basin]

yo

[west jackal]

is 170 packaged fuel/min worth transporting off site for fuel consumption or should i just sink it

[elfin basin]

why did it say you win the first exam

wheres the second?

[normal orbit]

i gotta double check that. cause i could swear they showed diffrent

[west jackal]

i dont really have trains yet

[ornate saffron]

Why not unpack and use for pwer

[white dawn]

I suppose what I said is slightly incorrect; they are separate graphs, so when you flip the switch to "on," the side without power generation machinery on it will still have the "history" from when its capacity was 0. But once that history scrolls off the side, the graphs'll definitely be identical

[feral jay]

cheats and upgrades belts with SCIM

[elfin basin]

should i consider no lifing this game?

[tall lantern]

it's fairly common

[normal orbit]

do it for the puppies and kittens

[spare prism]

Then you have to much power

[normal orbit]

yeah must be it, they do show same atm (which i think is bad functionality), i do recall em being diffrent as i powered em on tho

[tall lantern]

that's fine, unless you're done with everything you wanted to do I'm sure you'll find a use for that power

[ornate saffron]

No such thing.

Power must be overwhelming at all times

[fervent crypt]

Hey ! Do i will need a lot of smart plating after phase 2 ?

[tall lantern]

each space elevator phase uses parts from previous phases

[normal orbit]

you need the smart plating to make modular engines

[spare prism]

I think my game is breaking

[fervent crypt]

and do i will need a lot(+1000) ? or a few (-1000) .

[normal orbit]

more than 1000 yes

[fervent crypt]

ok

[frosty mirage]

Can anyone explain to me what exactly does the overflow option do in a smart/programmable splitter?

[opaque minnow]

You i nead 4300 in total

[fervent crypt]

smart plating ?

[tall lantern]

it sends stuff that doesn't fit through another output

[opaque minnow]

Yes

[tall lantern]

whether that's because the output's backed up, or there just isn't one for that item type

[fervent crypt]

i tough it would be more xD

[frosty mirage]

So that in combination with any will not do anything basically

[ornate saffron]

You need a total of 4300 smart plating across all phases to see credits roll

[tall lantern]

not until the any belt backs up, at least

[fervent crypt]

ok

[tall lantern]

at which point it will... overflow

[frosty mirage]

I see, alright, thanks

[tall lantern]

that's why overflow's probably the most commonly-used config, since that's the main thing smart splitters are used for - sinking excess production

[spare prism]

How do I turn a pump to face the opposite direction while still going the same direction up?

[tall lantern]

mousewheel? IIRC pump placement's two clicks

[spare prism]

Thanks

[weak bloom]

palpatine.gif

[spare prism]

Power outages is the fixit of way

[halcyon yoke]

doing sphagetti conveyors in the wild makes me feel like a free man

[ornate saffron]

#off-topic-media message

[weak bloom]

Damn I miss StarCraft lol

[ornate saffron]

I play Broadwar and sc2 with friends every once in a while.

[unkempt blade]

time traveler detected! what's it like in 2060 besides the release of a new sc?

[ornate saffron]

2......

Total ment 2

.....

.....

[pale tree]

just realized its impossible to bind "escape" back to escape if you change it

[normal orbit]

can reset to default

[pale tree]

i have no way to reopen the menu

i bound it to the same key thats used to open the console

so the console opens but never the menu

before that i bound it to tab so i could still open it but not change it back to escape

[pale tree]

i think i have to wait for an autosave first (cant even open the menu to click save lol) so i can reopen the game and click on the settings menu to do that

[normal orbit]

thats actually kinda funny

[glad drum]

Man, I wanna start playing again but every time I die and respawn at my base, my game crashes shortly after. 🙁 I guess the solution is to either move my HUB (that'd be sad, it's built into my spaghetti) or just never die eh

[frosty mirage]

How do you go about fixing old factories that apparently dont work anymore? I used smart splitters wrong and there is an issue somewhere, im producing comps, high speed connectors and steel beams and pipes with coke steel alts, but something is wrong in my setup because of a smart splitter splitting rubber and plastic, should i dismantle the whole factory and build again or should i try to fix it somehow?

[astral owl]

hey guys i'm picking the game back up after a while and i'd like some advice

i'm hesitant to look up layouts for certain materials because then it wouldn't really be me building anything.

will looking up guides make the game less fun?

[glad drum]

Back track through the factory until you find the spot wherever stuff is clogging up or not working

[normal orbit]

if its an old factory and i have better miners and belts. i would just redo it ground up. if i dont i would just hunt down the problem and fix it

[unkempt blade]

There's not really a general answer for you. You need to trace how stuff works and see where the problem starts

[glad drum]

I think you lose out on something by just copying layouts, but it depends on what type of person you are. I think just play and if you get stuck or have an idea/question, THEN look up a guide

edit: beginner tips videos are always helpful

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah, you can use planners to do the math, but figure out layouts yourself, you don't need guides

[normal orbit]

like turn it off, empty all belts into a sink or w/e, then restart it and see where it stops

[astral owl]

yeah that's what i was thinking, planners or excel to get my throughputs and go from there

i'm thinking of ripping up everything i have now that i have 2k plates and concrete, then build a huge factory

[fluid sapphire]

If you have problems with anything, theres always #1038092680493801533

[frosty mirage]

Its not that old and the only reason i wouldnt dismantle it fully is because it looks kinda neat although design is not entirely finished

[unkempt blade]

I'd leave your stuff running while you build instead of tearing it down first... 2k won't last as long as you might be hoping

[frosty mirage]

I could replan the whole thing but idk

I think i will try to trace the issue

[astral owl]

hm, look for a new area then move everything over?

[normal orbit]

heh, i had to go build a new quartz factory making 3750/min into 10 storages+depots to sustain building my fuel ring, since each blueprint used 800 quartz or so :p

[sick falcon]

i rly wish you could rotate junctions vertically

without having to place them against a wall

[scenic mirage]

just make it a blueprint 😉

[glad drum]

God I wish I had the time to start everything over, that's a time committment

[normal orbit]

yea just blueprint a vertical one

[fluid sapphire]

I think you can, if you attach them to a pipe?

[nocturne nebula]

how many tiles wide do you guys make your train junctions pls?

[normal orbit]

sure but rebuilding the pipes after is annoying :p

[unkempt blade]

the big ones wind up being about this many for me #screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

That's probably the best option yeah, I do the same thing with wall outlets so I can more easily plug my cables into the floor

[normal orbit]

depends on the junction, but like 3 to 20

[sick falcon]

freebuilding i mean, so i dont need to place a placeholder pipe

[nocturne nebula]

hard to see how many tiles wide that is?

[fluid sapphire]

Then a blueprint is your best bet

[tall lantern]

it depends heavily on the junction

[unkempt blade]

I'm not really interested in counting but the lines are barely there 😄

[normal orbit]

a big quad fly over/under might end up like 50 :p

[weak bloom]

I have not looked up any specific guides but I've just had a big satisfactory let's play on as background noise while I play and I've lowkey picked up a bunch of tips from it just via osmosis, nothing specific with what I'm building so it hasn't felt like I've missed on anything

[tall lantern]

hopefully they're good tips and not just one guy rambling

[unkempt blade]

I'd guess maybe low 20s between the edges of each off ramp?

[fluid sapphire]

My basic junctions with crossing rail tend to use a 5x5 curve

[weak bloom]

It's mostly ideas for belt and pipe routing that made me realize I was doing things horribly inefficiently

[fluid sapphire]

The usual 3 or 4 way cross at most

[weak bloom]

Also like "wait I have conveyor ceiling holes too why am I not using them, I'm gonna stop being an idiot"

[normal orbit]

basic t-junction with crossing tracks will prob be 3x3 or 4x4

my double roundabouts are 15 radius or so

the no crossing ones are much larger to accomodate ramps up/down to avoid crossing rails

[nocturne nebula]

lol, time to guess then, just contemplating BP designs

[maiden dock]

I feel so stupid, I am continuing a playthrough I started a long time ago and I aparently have fuel being put into dimensional storage for my jetpack but I have NO idea where its being produced lol ive checked everywhere lol...

[unkempt blade]

yeah I build no crossing and all block signals and it's definitely larger than you'd need just doing same-level path intersections

[unkempt blade]

yeah my guess was low 20s foundations

I think probably somewhere around 10 foundations from center to where the side ramps are connected

[normal orbit]

yea, i'm not doing no-cross ones atm, mainly since my train highway is double stacked, and the sheer size of em, but they are fun to see train thruput in as they just zip around without slowing :p

[glad drum]

I think that's a great strategy. That's kind of how I went, except it was the Let's Play It Out crazy world by Josh... then as I went, I looked up some tips/tricks videos to help out with my flow.

[versed mesa]

Mikael says we will have good reason to start fresh with 1.2

[nocturne nebula]

CHONK

[glad drum]

Every so often I'm like "Hmm... I don't think I've ever used this thing in this game" and decide to try and use it more lmao

[ornate saffron]

Well "a new way to interact with the game" is coming

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[tall lantern]

more info soon ™

[glad drum]

VR Satisfactory

[tall lantern]

maybe time for me to pick the game up again

[spare prism]

Bruh I’m getting mad at this floor it won’t stay lined up

[versed mesa]

Info will drop Friday on 1.2 dropping on Exp branch

[ornate saffron]

Vomit rocket satisfactory

[versed mesa]

Defo

@tall lantern 1.2 will run on new UI

[spare prism]

lol

[nocturne nebula]

are 4m ramps ok for trains?

[ornate saffron]

2M at most

[nocturne nebula]

uh oh!

[ornate saffron]

Rails dont like steep stuff

[nocturne nebula]

noted 🙂

can you believe I even progressed through phase 3 before even starting rails

and cos I want to build them to go 3k for bauxite, lol

[glad drum]

#screenshots message

Man, I've missed my world. So excited to continue with it.

[normal orbit]

3m is max incline for trains

[nocturne nebula]

how often do you guys put your rail blocks?

[nocturne nebula]

I only have inclines of 2, 4 and 8

[spare prism]

Why can’t I rotate merge on a elevator

[ornate saffron]

Absolutely. You computers and such can easily be built near you fuel power facilities. And your phase 3 parts.

I tend not to worry to much about trains in phase 3

[normal orbit]

1, 2 and 4 actually unless you modded out 1m and added 8

[nocturne nebula]

most of my build is in the dune desert ... with oil just over the massive cliffs

[normal orbit]

You can use beams to do a incline between 2 and 4

[spare prism]

I’m dumb nevermind

[ornate saffron]

I do the length of my train. Which is usually one engine and four cars

[tall lantern]

probably like every 2 max-length rail segments on straights?

[normal orbit]

Block signal about every 10 foundations

[tall lantern]

like most questions, no objective answer lol

[ornate saffron]

🇺 🇷 🪢

[normal orbit]

It doesn't hugely matter

[tall lantern]

they should mostly be at least as long as your longest train, but beyond that, up to you

[normal orbit]

Just don't place em every 1.5 foundations

[nocturne nebula]

feck, my BP's keep going missing ... ending up in undefined directory ... anything I can do to prevent this tedious behavior?

[normal orbit]

Set category before saving

[tall schooner]

Is there any way to make working with fluids not miserable? Setting up an oil power plant and even though I allowed slight overflow at basically every step, the machines are failing because they're not getting enough fluids. Some of them are only 400m3 per pipe and it's still not transporting properly.

For my generators, I have them set up to consume 500/set and the mixers are making 520 but only around 2/3 of the generators are running after letting it run overnight.

[normal orbit]

Are you placing junctions directly on pipes?

[tall schooner]

For the most part, no.

[normal orbit]

Then put a pump before manifold

[tall schooner]

Wait what? Do pumps improve flow consistency or something?

[twin parcel]

#screenshots message

uh need help connecting these , i have mk 2 pipes but dont have enough plastics so imma build using mk1 pipes then upgrade later .

[normal orbit]

Yes

[sick falcon]

yes

[tall schooner]

Dammit. I'm going to have to put in so many pumps.

Tossed some screenshots of my power plant in #screenshots

[normal orbit]

Try on one first. See if it helps

[tall schooner]

I have tons of interconnections because of the machine requirements, so if I wanted to confirm I'd basically need to do the entire power plant.

[golden nexus]

yeah, do the maths properly and then just do it right

[tall schooner]

I did.

[normal orbit]

Why do you use two junctions between two generators?

[vapid zinc]

How do you guys deal with resources when you make a factory dedicated to just making one thing?

For example, I'm going to make one for 25 magnetic field generator per minute. For this I need 172.5 copper ore/minute, but I only have a pure node nearby which gives 1200. What do you do ? Limit the miner ?

[normal orbit]

One would be enough

[tall schooner]

I made the mistake of going "Fuck it" and just junctioning the whole thing in a previous play through and it caused all kinds of annoyances.

[tall schooner]

Blueprints

[normal orbit]

I think you created more problem doing that

[tall schooner]

The junctions aren't connected except where the lines start. So it's basically just 2 lines running paralell.

[normal orbit]

yea i think thats one big cause of your issues

[golden nexus]

what reicpies in the blenders

[tall schooner]

Why? Shouldn't the junctions work either way? Like I said, I'm just doing the initial split and then they're 2 separated rows. Would merging them so there's a single line splitting to either side actually help?

[normal orbit]

well i've done that in mine, and it works thru the entire manifold of 60 gens

just had to add a pair of pumps

[tall schooner]

Diluted fuel, rocket fuel, and the little set is doing nitric acid.

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message pump before manifold, second after 15th pair

[golden nexus]

so you work in banks of 4 or 6?

[tall schooner]

Kind of? The Rocket Fuel mixers are running at 83.333% and then I have 6 of them being combined to make 9 lines of 500/minute. But then I have different mixes for how it's run in because of different requirements.

[golden nexus]

yeah? why?

[tall schooner]

Why what?

[wise junco]

Okay yall listen... I thought everyone was just whining about generators after making a rocket fuel plant

Oh no. Its rough

[golden nexus]

cause rocket fuel falls into a natural game pattern of bank of 2x4 blenders like this #screenshots message

[tall schooner]

Because of the numbers for feeding them from my turbo fuel refineries.

[golden nexus]

oh your doing that reicpie rather than the other recipie

[normal orbit]

most of us do heavy oil resiue into diluted fuel into nitro rocket fuel :p

[tall schooner]

I have 6 banks of 24 refineries making turbo fuel with 19 in each bank being fed compacted coal from scratch and 5 being fed from the output of the mixers.

[tall schooner]

That's what I'm doing.

Oh

[golden nexus]

no

[normal orbit]

you're not if you using turbo fuel :p

[tall schooner]

Is that method more efficient?

[wise junco]

What do yall usually do with the compacted coal leftover? I was thinking about making it into turbo fuel but seems more trouble than its worth

[normal orbit]

cost a little more sulfur, but makes more rocketfuel

[normal orbit]

turnign it into steel :p

[wise junco]

That was my other plan and seems better

I have it sunk right now to just keep from backing up but dont want to waste it long term

[tall schooner]

Sulfur is my choke point so it would probably end up less efficient for me.

[inland fulcrum]

is it a good idea to bring all / most ores of the map together into a few massive smelters for each ore type and then ship out the ingots to all of the factories?

[golden nexus]

Most do 50/oil + 100/water -> 50/coal + 100/sulfur + 100/fuel + 75/nitrogen -> 150/rocket fuel
On a bank of 4 this results in 200/min oil usage and 600/min rocket fuel

so you get 3 banks of 4 = 1 oil node and 1800/min rocket fuel

[ornate saffron]

Why not build where the resources are?

[tall schooner]

Yeah, just checked out the math, I'd have about half the output if I were to use the other recipe for rocket fuel.

[golden nexus]

no, you can't handle all resources in one place

[normal orbit]

i think your math is off, 600 crude becomes 2400 rocket fuel/min at cost of 800 coal and 1600 sulfur and 1200 nitrogen

[golden nexus]

This is one pure node for steel to give you an example of late game smelter size #screenshots message

[tall schooner]

#math-and-meta message
Here's the comparison between the two.

[golden nexus]

whos?

[normal orbit]

yours

[golden nexus]

i think you should check again 😉

ITs done using Diluted Fuel + Nitro Rocket fuel recipie

[normal orbit]

i did 1 pure node of 600 crude is 2400 rocket, not 1800

[twin parcel]

#screenshots message
should i build pipes with the assumption of extractors oc or without oc?

[ornate saffron]

This math is HOR to Diluted fuel to nitro rocket fuel

@normal orbit math is correct

[inland fulcrum]

Because we're trying to like, plan the map out and decide where the major factories etc are before continuing to have a proper infrastructure in the future.
So we're currently thinking we make one main hub and then e.g. in the desert we make an iron hub where we produce all of the basic iron stuff (plates, rods, reinforced plates, modular frames etc) and have most of the iron we'll ever need go there to produce a lot of those resources and then have those be transported to the advanced factories so we dont need to produce the basic shit again and again every time

[golden nexus]

Well Diluted fuel is 50/oil so 600/50 = 12 = 1200/min fuel /100 fuel for the rocket fuel = 12 blenders * 150 each = 1800, so i suggest you check again

[inland fulcrum]

Well not everything of course but surely trains can handle a lot no?

[normal orbit]

600 crude = 800 HOR = 1600 fuel = 2400 rocketfuel

[vapid zinc]

#math-and-meta message

[golden nexus]

ahh yeah your right forgot about hor converstion

[vapid zinc]

Wrong recipes and way way waywaywayway too complicated

[leaden matrix]

Because its cooler this way

[golden nexus]

Yes, But where you put it when it comes off the train becomes a real problem, like you can complete game on a dozen nodes or so in a reasonable time frame (eg 100 hours)

[inland fulcrum]

We dont wanna just complete the game tho, we're planning for future mega builds

[ornate saffron]

here is tools doing the math

#screenshots message

[golden nexus]

yup... #satisfactory message

[golden nexus]

but if you want to do that, you do that....

[vapid zinc]

I think if you want to smelt every ore in the game in 1 megafactory that will be your last mega build of that save

[ornate saffron]

if that is what you wish... logistics and scale is going to be intense. When I processed all the nodes in the desert and surinding area i had to up my object limit and stop playing on my laptop. Desk top only lol

[inland fulcrum]

what if we do #satisfactory message with just a few of each node, say 5 or 6 or whatever works well?

[leaden matrix]

The only thing cooler than one massive mega factory smelter

Is screws

[ornate saffron]

you can watch the weekly screw stream for that lol

#streams-and-videos message

[golden nexus]

Ok, So the most efficient way in the game is to reduce before shipping the item.

[reef basin]

that depends how you define "efficient" 🙂

[tall schooner]

Yeah, did the math. More space efficient, and less of a headache managing fluids, but FAR less efficient for the amount of power you get out of it.

[inland fulcrum]

But thats not possible for every item, is it?

[golden nexus]

oh, nice an example of what not to do 🙂

[golden nexus]

Yeah it is

[leaden matrix]

This is the coolest thing EVER :D

[golden nexus]

But we are talking about reduction from ore to rplate, rotor, stator or better

[ornate saffron]

if you are looking for most output it is best to transport at its most dense phase. So if you are getting more ingots then ore in its best to transport the ore to your location of use then the ingots. pure iron for example

if you are getting less output then input like Caterium its best to turn into ingots then transport

[golden nexus]

Or the other way, you transport the water to the node, make the ingot reduce it to rplate and then ship the rplate

[ornate saffron]

absolutely I prefer transporting at its most dense.

Why transport the parts to make Smart plates. Just make the smart plates then transporet them.

this is the example i use for new folks

[golden nexus]

Yeah cause this is 4*impure nodes which makes almost 60/min smart plate, It uses 1200/ore It doesn't take much to realise which is easier to transport its a 20x improvement in logestics #screenshots message

[inland fulcrum]

Hm.. So how does one plan a good infrastructure? What we're trying to achieve is just to have a perfect infrastructure for tier 9 and beyond so we dont need to worry about not having x rss or enough power etc

[tall lantern]

by not trying to crystal ball it

[golden nexus]

Trains mostly, You consistantly build double track in a way that works and then you have "pick" trains which run around grabbing items

[tall lantern]

if you don't have a plan already made for your entire production line, don't worry about trying to futureproof. Just build what you need incrementally

[ornate saffron]

build as needed. Try to build your facilities for a specific purpose. then only transport things at its most dense.

[golden nexus]

Like a train has 32 slots so smart plate stacks 50 for example is 32 * 50 @ 50/min = 32 mins per train

Thats per train section of course

If something stacks 100, 200 its even better

[inland fulcrum]

Yeah so what's the issue with what I said here? Aside from going completely overboard with the ores ofc, we dont transport the ores far, we make them into the more dense product and then transport those to where needed, no? #satisfactory message

If we can replace it with alternative recipes of course if possible but we dont have, and likely wont for a long time, all of them

[tall lantern]

do you know how many of each resource you're going to need?

[golden nexus]

So ore = 32 slots * stack 100 / 600/min (a normal node) = 5.3 minutes - (32s load, 32s unload) = 4.3 minutes. Which is 2.1minutes each direction.

So a pure / 1200/min node if half that if you try to put it in a single wagon

[tall lantern]

if you do, then sure, as long as you don't care about any future alts you may unlock, you can prebuild it all.
if you don't, then unless you're incredibly lucky, you'll either overbuild and have wasted time, or underbuild and need to build more anyway. So why not wait until you do know what you need?

[golden nexus]

generally you start mkaing large factorys and then ship high volumn items you produce

[tall lantern]

that point about alts is undersold, those can heavily change the resource counts (and even types) that you need for any given factory

[spice osprey]

So lets say for example, I'm making encased steel beams, and there isn't enough limestone near my steel foundry. You're saying its better to bring the beams to the limestone, rather than the other way around? That definitely makes sense. IDK why I never thought of it that way

[golden nexus]

You can of course even glue 2 factories together eg make 200 rotor here, 200 rotor there and then drop them on site in the same train

[ornate saffron]

whats more dense?

for example if you take 1200 iron ore and make 2228 ingots using pure iron. the ingots are less dense. youll have to push the ingots into further parts. Rods and plates are 1-1 at worst so you are getting more from those processes too. so you have to go one deeper and make reinforced plates/modular frames then ship those.

Personally i just build semi independent facilities where the most resources i need are.

[golden nexus]

that becomes more desirable when you start to get higher and higher parts like CO, Eletronic rods, Motors is to have more than one supply of them

[tall lantern]

maybe not the best example as concrete stacks well and you probably aren't producing bulk amounts there for throughput to be a concern, but that's the rough idea yeah

a better one would maybe be like screws and plates for reinforced plates

if you had to move one to the other you'd 100% move the plates

[merry cobalt]

hello hello sorry for interrupting i just wanna say hi

[inland fulcrum]

A lot, thats why I'd like to have it produced in one big factory instead of needing to place 300 constructors in every single factory
I dont know exact numbers especially considering I have no clue what's waiting for me at tier 9, but if I overproduce (which is pretty much the idea) and it still works what's the issue?

[golden nexus]

The worse things to do is make screws, quickwire in one place and then use it elsewhere

[ornate saffron]

great example of less dense then the ore its made from

[golden nexus]

People love the idea of centirlization... its like do it if you want

you will only do it once 😛

[tall lantern]

mainly
a) that you may have spent twice as long (or more) on it that you didn't need to
b) that you then have to distribute that stuff - easier said than done if you don't just yolo it

and again c) you've locked yourself out of using more appropriate alts

[ornate saffron]

if you are set in doing it this way I HIGHLY suggest a spread sheet for logistics as you are going to be a bit overwhelmed lol

[sharp kelp]

Any new deets from the dev stream?

[golden nexus]

Golf is not part of the new game mode

[tall lantern]

yep, "because I want to" is valid, experience is the best teacher lol. Give it a go, see how you fare, maybe you'll be a rare positive case

[vapid zinc]

How do you guys deal with resources when you make a factory dedicated to just making one thing?

For example, I'm going to make a factory for 25 magnetic field generator per minute. For this I need 172.5 copper ore/minute, but I only have a pure node nearby which gives 1200. What do you do ? Limit the miner ?

[ornate saffron]

YES! no clue what they are though lol

friday 1.2 goes to expermental i believe someone said but im at work and have not had the opportunity to check anything out

[tall lantern]

you give a factory the resources it needs, no more no less, yes

[spice osprey]

Its probably just because of where I'm at in the game rn, but in my experience, the only time you need to move something from one place to another is if you need components made from a different base material. With the reinforced plates example, everything there is made of iron, so there's not a whole lot of reason to move anything

[golden nexus]

just adjudt the node or split the node that is spare or just it for something like built mats

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah, if you need the leftover ore later you can just split it

[normal orbit]

personally i use whole node and make something else i need. like copper powder

[tall lantern]

the further in you get, the more base resources things tend to be made of

[vapid zinc]

Gotcha, ty both

[tall lantern]

do bear in mind that there's so many nodes on the map that it doesn't really matter if you fully utilise any given one

[reef basin]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency may be a good read about a different (and imo recommended) way to handle logistics

[golden nexus]

i don't build like that, i tend to fully embrace dependency hell because i am a sw dev and the dependency tree for the reicpie tree is not that bad

[tall lantern]

so don't feel like using a quarter of a node's max potential is wasteful

[golden nexus]

you won't use them all is a good rule to live by

[fluid sapphire]

Dependency is fine... If you plan for it

[tall lantern]

I really should try this at some point, dunno how I'd keep track of everything numbers-wise

[fluid sapphire]

I build my stuff as a network of interdependent modules typically

At least for more complex stuff

[golden nexus]

examples of deps between floors 🙂 #screenshots message

[tall lantern]

my bigger stuff tends to be distributed across the map but still one logical factory

[normal orbit]

a pure copper node, 3000 ingots/min, thats a lot of potential copper powder to go into the nuclear plant :p

[glacial drum]

I’m midway through making 6k wire from a pure node rn

[golden nexus]

Another example of interfloor super noodling #screenshots message

[tall lantern]

lol I'm pretty sure I've done worse than that

[elfin idol]

@royal shadow #screenshots this is definitely not triggering me deeply

[tall lantern]

my logistics floors tend to get quite busy

[golden nexus]

they are factory floors

[elfin idol]

just... why...

[golden nexus]

its like ingot -> beam -> pipe -> rotor -> stator -> motor -> etc...

[golden nexus]

Its quite powerful actually, this completed the game in < 100 hours #screenshots message

while tat also looks like i brought everything to one place, there is only really about 15-20 nodes total

only 1 of the 3 iron nodes under the base is used

[inland fulcrum]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense; in fact it's exactly what I've been doing up to now. It just feels like that'll become more complicated than doing dependencies later on when I make really big and complicated factories but maybe that's just an illusion lol

[jagged nymph]

this 10 ppm hmf factory is hurting my brain. 😭 it would be so much easier with mk5 belts

[tall lantern]

just make two 5ppm ones

[tall lantern]

It's not too bad, since the only thing you need logistics-wise is shipping in raw inputs.
You can separate the factory out physically, so like making concrete where the limestone is, and whatever else you can make near the nodes it'd need, then shipping those all in to the primary location for that factory

[reef basin]

it isn't really

[tall lantern]

that plays into what was said earlier about transporting things in their compressed forms where possible, ores and ingots tend to be a lot of items/stacks

[golden nexus]

Yup, So rather than ship in limestone, you ship in concrete

that in its self with default recipies is 3x improvement

[tall lantern]

15x, if counting stacks

eg if doing trains

[golden nexus]

thats what this is #screenshots message

if also means if i run out of concrete then you switch to wet concrete

But its a case of which development approach you want? In software terms a waterfall or a agile approach?

[weak bloom]

Are trains at all worth it for fluids or nah?

[golden nexus]

depends, but yes they work

[tall schooner]

No. Better to use packaged fluids in a cargo train car.

[normal orbit]

thruput on fluids is a bit on the low side, but they function

[tall schooner]

Not "a bit", they're absolutely abysmal for throughput.

[weak bloom]

It is very amusing that fluid in box is somehow better than fluid in tank

[normal orbit]

i do hope 1.2 brings bigger fluid cars :p

[golden nexus]

Like i used them here #screenshots message which is to bring in oil to the grass fields for rubber/plastic/pet coke/fuel and stuff, it worked great in this game

[tall schooner]

I'd love it if 1.2 brings better fluid flow logic.

[normal orbit]

and gas in a box even more so, since it gets compressed :p

[weak bloom]

It really shouldn't be better unless there's some quantum compression nonsense going on with the packaging

......now that I think about it, that's probably exactly what's happening.....

[ivory condor]

Hard to say. I did notice some things were changed with the templates for example in regads to how signs work and that could be having a impact of some sort. But in general im not sure if it exactly is when the save that was made might not be that important, because for example performance degradation with signs only happened in 1.1, at the same time rendering resolution with signs was changed that a drastic impact on performance in saves with signs, experimental also does little to address this as all of the issues are still present from what i can see

[tall schooner]

Packagers using Mercer Spheres in their construction would be amusing to see.

[golden nexus]

i think they made trains weak for oil on purpose cause what i did above there was completly overpowered in the game 🙂

[weak bloom]

I kinda want to make a uranium train just to have a radioactive bullet straight through the continent

[ivory condor]

In short given the changes with signs and how at least with unique signs and having alot of them seems to be a real negative in 1.1 and likely going forward im not totally sure when i save was made really matters

[normal orbit]

its all fun and games until you run out of iodine filters and just insta die

[reef basin]

yes, they are fine, even unpackaged

[tall lantern]

most fluids compress 2:1 packaged, so throughput's the same on fluid and solid trains since you still need to send the packages back. So here you're trading off not needing to [un]package for having to deal with fluid piping and buffering fun
nitrogen's 4:1 so is definitely more compact packaged

[reef basin]

practically the same

[normal orbit]

liquids dont compress at all, they're all 1:1, rocket and ionized fuel compress 1:2 and nitrogen 1:4

[golden nexus]

Its easier to just double the train length for fluids tbh

[ivory condor]

Mainly because alot of the performance degradation seems to be related to signs rendering resolution, which has little to with when a save was made

[normal orbit]

only reason packaging liquids is "better" is simply cause you can put a shit load more items on a cargo car than in a fluid car

[tall lantern]

ah yeah misremembered, it's not the compression but the fact that trains can carry twice as many

doesn't change the effect though

[reef basin]

you put double, but also need to return canisters (which usually needs double the cars), and you need to make the packaging setups

[tall lantern]

either way, for some stuff fluid transport's just a different set of tradeoffs as usual

[normal orbit]

also packaging would let you use drones to move fludis

[proven snow]

Though it's more of an early game thing, I'm excited to drive fluids around in trucks in 1.2

[stone quiver]

Trucks can be a full time thing

Just make a super highway and dedicate yourself to trucks. Nuclear powered trucks...

[versed cosmos]

now imagine fluid trucks have real fluid physics and if you turn too sharply you roll over

[normal orbit]

having done it, you can fairly easily have a second train for the canisters on a parallell station

[reef basin]

which is same two trains as you'd need for just fluids

[normal orbit]

second train is fairly low cost for higher thruput

[reef basin]

yeah but same throughput would be if you used fluid trains

two trains moving fluids vs one moving packaged fluid + one moving canisters back

same throughput in both cases, more complexity in the second case

[normal orbit]

from my experimentation, needed twice the fluid cars for same thruput, splitting up 600 pipes into 300s for each terminal

[reef basin]

yeah, which is equal to second train

[weak bloom]

I feel like the easier solution is to just run pipes under the train tracks lol

[normal orbit]

its not hugely diffrent all in all tbh, but having the longer fluid trains did mess up traffic thru intersections. the smaller trains with packaged and empty canisters didnt effect it as much. tho i could've made better intersections too, mine back there were not great

ultimately its just player choice

[tall lantern]

so's everything 😛

[normal orbit]

there is a small power cost with fluids, since you sort of need two pumps per buffer to actually make em move fluids well

[tall lantern]

you'd also need to power your packagers

[normal orbit]

but at that point in game, a few hundred mw of pumps is a piss in missisippi :p

[reef basin]

two trains = one train with double cars

[versed cosmos]

pumps dont change how fluid flows

they just give headlift

[normal orbit]

thats true too

[normal orbit]

incorrect

[weak bloom]

Speaking of moving fluids, if I'm moving a pipe a super long distance horizontally I don't need any pumps along the way right? But whenever I lift it, it's just a good idea to put a pump at the bottom and top of the lift?

[royal shadow]

Question, is it bad to go under the map and make a Underground Like the vault. That is having all of the raw resources trained in?

[versed cosmos]

yeah you dont need a pump for a horizontal pipe no matter the distance

[tall lantern]

you only need pumps if your fluid can't get high enough

[versed cosmos]

and for vertical you just need one at the bottom

[normal orbit]

and yet they do improve flow

[versed cosmos]

or more along the way however high youre trying to push it

[ornate saffron]

Go to #design-and-architecture check out videos from the tunnel rat

[tall lantern]

that sounds like a single giant factory with extra steps, which is usually recommended against

[versed cosmos]

no they dont. pipes dont effect flow.

pumps*

[normal orbit]

they absolutely do, since adding them to my rocket fuel manifolds fixed the last 4 gens not getting fuel

[versed cosmos]

remove them and tell us what happens

i bet the pumps arent what's making the difference

[normal orbit]

and consistenty adding pumps before manifolds help flow thru them

[spice osprey]

I'm certainly not an expert in the subject, but I watched a few fluid guide videos recently, and something that was brought up in those videos is that pumps prevent backflow, even when unpowered.

[normal orbit]

the last 4 start stalling, i tried multiple times

[versed cosmos]

huh

[normal orbit]

copied the setup among all 14 pipes and all 14 manifold ran at 100%

[versed cosmos]

maybe its the backflow thing

[reef basin]

they don't improve flow on their own
they just prevent fluid going backwards in that section
if they "fixed" a problem, it was either headlift or time that was the problem

[normal orbit]

used pumps before my underfloor fed refineries in my plubber plant. 18 pipes of fuel, pump before each manifold. all work 100%

time was not the issue, cause they started working within 20 mins of adding the two pumps

also using valves instead of pumps did not solve the issue, so backflow wasnt it either

my only conclusion is pumps do more thna just headlift

[versed cosmos]

valves are weird

[ornate saffron]

This is all the worlds same going under the map in tunnels

#design-and-architecture message

[versed cosmos]

never trust them

[normal orbit]

valves are fine

use em a lot, no issues

[reef basin]

well backflow always exists

[versed cosmos]

bet you dont need them

[reef basin]

or it was something else that got fixed

[normal orbit]

#design-and-architecture message bet i do :p

[reef basin]

no you don't. You can just feed from above instead

[normal orbit]

i can, but i dont like how it looks

[reef basin]

hence "you don't need them"

[normal orbit]

well i did since having pipes uptop wasnt an option i was willing to do

[reef basin]

that's no longer "need", but "want"

[normal orbit]

and it doesnt make valves not work, they work just fine in that setup

if we have functionable tools to use, why not use em

rather than build same over and over cause some crusty old guide says so

[reef basin]

because there's no need 🤷

[normal orbit]

style > substance

[reef basin]

you can build perfectly functional layouts without valves and buffers, why add them to complicate the layouts

ofc you can make it work with them, but why bother

[versed cosmos]

idk about yall but i just dont mix fresh and recycled fluids and everything works just fine

[normal orbit]

its just two valves :p its not particularly complicated

one valve to stop water going into the outlet pipe and a second to limit the inflow to be in-out

[inland crystal]

how do i get rid of the arrows after driving

[versed cosmos]

you can interact with them to delete them

[inland crystal]

i dont get driving im very confused

[versed cosmos]

youre also recording a path

[normal orbit]

deleting them would ruin the path, you can hide em in the recording options somewhere

[reef basin]

well one point is that 95% of people building valves or buffers do that wrong, or in pointless places

so whether or not it works for you, it's still not something that should be recommended in general

[normal orbit]

its not to be recommended cause people do it wrong? why not help them do it right?

[reef basin]

because there's no reason to use them

[versed cosmos]

doing it right is just not using them lol

[normal orbit]

maybe more people than just lil ol me dont like a mish mash of pipes

[reef basin]

at best they do nothing or are a weird solution for a problem

[normal orbit]

just seems silly to not use something which can work absolutely fine

raah build my way or else!!

[reef basin]

no, it's "build this way bcs easy and functional"

[normal orbit]

well i find that solution easy and functional :p

diffrent perspectives i suppose

[reef basin]

statistically it isn't tho

[glad drum]

The right way to use a valve is to never place it

[fervent crypt]

hi

is there a lot of craft from caterium ?

[normal orbit]

its ok, valves wont hurt you

[glad drum]

It DID - the ONE time I used a valve and it just messed everything up... never again.

[normal orbit]

wire, quickwire and... ficsite

[normal orbit]

maybe if you'd use it correctly :p

[glad drum]

I do now! 😉

[fervent crypt]

so i should build an entire disctrict/building to that ?

[normal orbit]

well build what ya need, then expand if you need more

[fervent crypt]

ok thx

[normal orbit]

prob an idea to make some ai limiters early on. then when you get into phase 4/5 you prob gonna be needing a lot more

[fickle locust]

I would not build a caterium product area if you're going to need to transport them elsewhere

[reef basin]

no, build factories near nodes

[spice osprey]

After you've recorded a route, you open the menu for it again and there should be a button for "hide path nodes"

[fickle locust]

Transporting caterium ingots and building quick wire on site is a much better idea than building quick wire and then having to transport that

[reef basin]

building a factory near caterium is even betterrer idea

[fervent crypt]

The more I play this game, the more I realize this game exists just to suck my soul. xD

[normal orbit]

pretty sure all caterium nodes have some copper fairly short distance nearby

so makes fused qw/wire and ai limits fairly easy to make near the nodes

[proven snow]

Sometimes your soul needs a good suck

[elfin idol]

@dim jungle do you have a sink set up somewhere idling? i believe they draw 0.3 when idle

[spice osprey]

all machines draw power while idle

[torpid trellis]

are smart splitters bugged when attached to a belt as a vertical splitter?

Im trying to have a smart splitter on a belt pass everything out one output, with overflow out the other, and it seems to be behaving like a normal splitter and splitting evenly

[normal orbit]

no, but left/right might actually be front/back and you kinda need to guess :p

[ebon fossil]

guys what do you unlock at phase 2? power wise i assume oil?

[normal orbit]

coal

[ornate saffron]

Coal

[dim jungle]

Not in this electrical network, I only have 16 coal generator (8 not powered with coal) 6 water pump (3 idle because full) oh wait that maybe the water pump

[elfin idol]

yeah there you go haha

[ebon fossil]

I already have coal at phase 1?

[dim jungle]

I'm not on the game anymore but it's most likely the water pump x)

[normal orbit]

phase one power is biomass

first unlock in phase 2/tier 3 is coal power

[ebon fossil]

okay the phase after coal with the 1000 smart plating, ect

[dim jungle]

I didn't know that some machine use a little bit of power when they are full/idle, it make sens thought

[normal orbit]

so phase 3, yes thats oil

[ebon fossil]

perfect

thx

[west jackal]

is it possible to break uranium node so i can get the sloop?

i tried mining it.. that was a bad idea

[normal orbit]

yea, but unless you have radiation protection you might catch a case of deadsies

[sharp latch]

hi

[gloomy tusk]

yes just mine it delete it heal repeat

[normal orbit]

its really fun if they have keep inventory on and just respawn and die in an endless loop :p

[sharp latch]

why is my factory barely producing 1 smart plating

[noble viper]

Are there any known regular issues with multiplayer crashes? I'm crashing very often playing multiplayer in our megabase and its driving me insane. I've searched and found other people with similar issues but no resolutions

[gloomy tusk]

not possible when you die from uranium it spawns a death crate with the uranium inside

[normal orbit]

oh they fixed that? nice

[gloomy tusk]

(totally has never happened to me btw)

[normal orbit]

i had that happen back in update 6 or 7 or something

learned from that mistake and never touch spicy rocks without hazmat suit and iodine filters :p

[west jackal]

i despise rad dogs.

[gloomy tusk]

rad spiders terrify me

[normal orbit]

i dont think we have radioactive dogs anymore. just hogs :p

[west jackal]

hogs wtv

[normal orbit]

lizard doggos used to be able to come with a nice surprise of nuclear waste

[ornate saffron]

Join a friends game and you can still make this happen

[normal orbit]

that would be evil :p

[ornate saffron]

And change one lift part to mk1

[west jackal]

this little POS is sitting on my death crate

#screenshots message

[tall lantern]

kill it or lure it away

[ornate saffron]

No ranged combat options yet?

[noble viper]

Are large quantities of signs a known problem in multiplayer?

[normal orbit]

not an issue in singleplayer, no idea for multi

[west jackal]

never made it...

i need to make rifle

[normal orbit]

thats a weird way to spell nuke nobelisk

[tall lantern]

make a jail blueprint, lure it away, slap down the jail box

[ornate saffron]

The rebar gun is great.

You can make a floating plateform and shoot it from a safe floating distance.

[normal orbit]

shotgun rebar is kinda fun

[ornate saffron]

I love me some scattershot. But doesnt help this bloke getting his stuff back.

[normal orbit]

whack it, run away, let it follow run to crate pick up all stuff, and run like the wind :p

[ionic cipher]

how do i generate energy from petrol ?

[tall lantern]

you put coal in a coal generator, you put fuel in a... _ generator

[ornate saffron]

So you have already converted oil into fuel. If so you rub the fuel into a fuel generator

[ionic cipher]

what generator ?

[cold berry]

I have sped up my production with what will no doubt be a "no duh" to y'all

But I stopped siphoning off base components from the processing of secondary parts and made dedicated lines for tier one iron, and then tier 2. And frames get their own line separate from reinforced plates.

I feel like I was playing the game wrong lol

[normal orbit]

fuel generator

[tall lantern]

independency ftw

[ionic cipher]

i dont have that ?

[normal orbit]

its in another milestone

[cold berry]

Going to apply this logic to my steel line now. Copper seems fine. I never run low on copper parts for now knock on wood

[empty spoke]

is there any way how i can import specific sections of a save to another save? i have some big buildings that i have no blueprint of anymore that id like to use in another save

[ionic cipher]

huh ?

[normal orbit]

tier 5 - petroleum power

[ionic cipher]

ohhhh so i have to unlock it even if i already have the rest

haaaa hell nah

[tall lantern]

you'll unlock it sooner or later

[normal orbit]

its just motors, rubber, plastic and encased beams. should be making all of those

[ionic cipher]

yeah but i just mooved all my stuff for nothing XD

[ionic cipher]

no i dont

[tall lantern]

no need to move stuff generally

leave working factories as-is

[ionic cipher]

no i mean stuff to built up new foactories around fuel

[tall lantern]

not sure why you'd need to move anything for that then

[ionic cipher]

basic stuff

[tall lantern]

can stay where it is, yes

[ionic cipher]

i dont know i ate walking so i take the maximum

and why the biome im in is like FULL of electrothing ive never seen this many

is that like how the game is supposed to continue ?

[normal orbit]

electrothing?

[ionic cipher]

i dont know the translation but the thing that overclock

[tall lantern]

power slug

[normal orbit]

power slugs, you should collect em

[tall lantern]

that northern coast does have an absolute ton of 'em

[ionic cipher]

i noticed that

one every 10m

[ionic cipher]

there is also stronger mobbs

[tall lantern]

sounds about right

[normal orbit]

but yea, your first oil production should be rubber and plastic, turn the heavy oil residue into petroleum coke and sink it, once you get the 200 plastic/rubber, unlock fuel gens. change it so instead of petroleum coke, you make fuel and power some fuel gens

[ionic cipher]

ty ill try

[normal orbit]

then you can make more fuel and power after that

[glad drum]

Also save up power slugs and animal parts ||so you can use supersloop super power duplication zoom zoom|| to make more everything later

[ionic cipher]

nahhhh i need coal to make fuel fonction

bc of the energy needed

[tall lantern]

yes, power often builds on previous power, same way you needed biomass to bootstrap coal

[ionic cipher]

my base is 1500m away

[tall lantern]

that's fine, run power cables

or power towers if you have them, as a bonus they'll be easier to zipline

[ionic cipher]

AWH man

[tall lantern]

welcome to the expansion stage of the game

[ionic cipher]

feel like a tycoon

[tall lantern]

where you stop having a "main base"

[glad drum]

or conveyor everything to your base and have a megabase >:)

[ionic cipher]

i prefer that

[normal orbit]

and maybe start eyeing the choo and enter into a romantic getaway :p

[tall lantern]

good luck

[glad drum]

its not so bad up until oil as a new player - oil I would definitely make the plastic+rubber on site and transport those

[ionic cipher]

u cant make them without fuel tho

[tall lantern]

you can definitely make rubber and plastic without fuel

[ionic cipher]

huh ?

[tall lantern]

they only need oil

[ionic cipher]

yeah

bien vu

[normal orbit]

you can use fuel to greatly increase plastic and rubber production, but thats a more advanced production chain and one i would not recommend to a first time player

[tall lantern]

lol hell nah

[ionic cipher]

nah i mean i need coal to get oil

[tall lantern]

that's fine, you already have coal power surely

[normal orbit]

you have coal

[tall lantern]

^

[normal orbit]

just drag power over

[ionic cipher]

yeah but argh

[tall lantern]

you're gonna be covering a lot more ground than this as you progress, better get used to it

[ionic cipher]

i wish i could fly

[tall lantern]

funny you say that

though guess what you need

[ionic cipher]

ive already cover almost the entire map im used to it but to much

[ionic cipher]

oil ?

[normal orbit]

plants actually :p

[ionic cipher]

i can fly but with biomass

[normal orbit]

and plastic

[ionic cipher]

but im talking more abt flying like in minecraft

[tall lantern]

there's probably a cheat option for that in AGS, though that'd prevent you earning any achievements if so

[normal orbit]

make bionuggies, then liquify em in a refinery and bottle the biofuel. and you have a really good travel fuel until you get much later in game

[ionic cipher]

nah no cheat

[tall lantern]

then you'll have to use the methods the game gives you

[ionic cipher]

im surely gonna do that after a long night of sleep

this game is sucking my sleep

[tall lantern]

jetpack, the zipline tool's great if you've got power towers

blade runners nice if you're just running

[ionic cipher]

decatlhon ?

[tall lantern]

think 1500m is a tad shorter than that

[ionic cipher]

XD decatlhon is the french name of that

what the distance huge pylone can go

[cold berry]

I've got a main factory and a sub factory right now. I'm scared for my future. The supra-factory will be intense

[zenith pecan]

Decathlon sounds like a coffee brand 😛

[ionic cipher]

its actually a sport

[zealous urchin]

ur blade runners are from decathlon!

mine are adidas

ur blade runners are fake!!!

[ionic cipher]

actually from bodrum

[ornate saffron]

NO mine the best legit ones. Doggo brand. Found in a Doggo nest

[stoic nebula]

thoughts on conveyor busses?

[ornate saffron]

not great in this game but BEST inm factorio.
if they work for you go for it

[normal orbit]

much prefer this to factorio, ability to actually make decorations, and not having to rebuild when resources run out is so nice :3

[stoic nebula]

thats fair... though i do think they are more reliable than trains for optisation...

[stoic nebula]

i hate factorio

[normal orbit]

yea i wasnt a fan of it

[stoic nebula]

i didnt understand the story

[ornate saffron]

I hasvent tried it. This was in my steam library and factorio wasnt when i wanted something new

[stoic nebula]

lol and you got obsessed?

[normal orbit]

i tried an oodle of factory games, but i find that satisfactory is my fave just cause i have pretty much infinite ability to make my factories look cool. constantly discover new ways to clip stuff into each other or use certain buildables to make neat designs

[ornate saffron]

I Have hyperfixation issues lol Although this one has kept me interested since update 7

[stoic nebula]

exactly

[stoic nebula]

yea me too... bu idk when i started. it was in early access tho, i remember the game looking different

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message just recently figured out you can copy paste ascii symbols into signs to make this

[ornate saffron]

the fandom was relavent when i started. so i just say update 7 as taht is the last time it was updated

[ionic cipher]

how can i throw away residu from oil transformation ?

[normal orbit]

convert it to coke and sink it

[ornate saffron]

you can sink it. But i use it to make plastic and rubber

[normal orbit]

then when you have fuel gens, turn it to fuel and burn it

[stoic nebula]

thats what i so

[ionic cipher]

sink it ?

[normal orbit]

awesome sink

goes nom nom, make ticket

[ionic cipher]

ah ye

[stoic nebula]

fair... yea idk i just remember it being early access

[stoic nebula]

nom nom xD

[ionic cipher]

nom nom hehehhee but i dont have it yet

[stoic nebula]

do you like pipe mechanics???

[ionic cipher]

im new to it so ill say yes..

[normal orbit]

you use heavy oil residue to make plastic and rubber?

[stoic nebula]

screams

[stoic nebula]

i do to... i like having extra

[ionic cipher]

u dont ?

[ornate saffron]

its unlocked before oil. if for some reason you chose not to during tier two i suggest doing so now

[stoic nebula]

hell no lol

[normal orbit]

im not sure thats an option for my first plubber setup :p

[stoic nebula]

plubber?

[normal orbit]

plastic/rubber

[ionic cipher]

i did all the stage ?

[stoic nebula]

oooh

[stoic nebula]

what...?

[stoic nebula]

awesome sink

[ionic cipher]

i can put oil in it ?

[stoic nebula]

no u turn it to something else

[normal orbit]

awesome sink is in tier 2: Resource Sink Bonus program

[ionic cipher]

and how can i put oil ?

[normal orbit]

by making the oil into something beltable

[stoic nebula]

turn it to something else and sink the something else

[normal orbit]

like plastic/rubber/coke

[ionic cipher]

bleh bleh bleh

[normal orbit]

resin, whatever really

[ionic cipher]

coke 😏

oil system seems really painfull to manage

[tall lantern]

its just yet another lesson: byproduct handling

[green fiber]

Satisfactory players when their Refinery stops because it has constipation (full of Resin):

[ornate saffron]

I agree with the above post. its frustrating but i kay step to moving forward and learnign

[tall lantern]

pretty much every major new resource comes with lessons. some minor resources too

[ionic cipher]

ill go mad

[stoic nebula]

yea

[stoic nebula]

welcome to fluid mechanics

[normal orbit]

its your tutorial introduction to byproducts :p

[ionic cipher]

fuck caterium is needed now

[stoic nebula]

god...

[ionic cipher]

ive complete the oil generator

[tall lantern]

• initial iron stuff teaches the basics
• screws teach "don't put everything on one belt"
• coal power teaches basic fluids
• oil processing teaches byproducts
• aluminium teaches feedback loops

I'm sure there's more

[stoic nebula]

</3 not a hard build i promise

[ionic cipher]

i will not sleppe tn..

[stoic nebula]

yea... iron also teaches multi imputs

[ornate saffron]

I look at it like this. If i was Bloated and backed up and not able to shit id stop performing too!

you gotta keep the fluids moving and the belts clear

[normal orbit]

phase five is basically, oh you think you learned byproducts and feedback loops? haha have fun

[stoic nebula]

</3

[tall lantern]

coal's also the "you're probably gonna need to expand", then by oil you've got "yeah you will need to expand"

[green fiber]

and then Aluminum "you MUST expand"

[autumn path]

extra overflow is easy to control in Satisfactory, throw it down the sink

[cold berry]

Hey I just got to oil-

[ionic cipher]

imma shit myself then

[cold berry]

Guess I'm expanding

[ionic cipher]

me rn

[tall lantern]

excess fluid is harder to deal with, but in the oil phase it can be converted to sinkable stuff, and at aluminium and onward there's usually ways to recycle byproducts back into the chain

[autumn path]

I just finished my coal plant

[ornate saffron]

you not allowed too.

[ionic cipher]

ill eat it then

[green fiber]

only shitting on company time

[normal orbit]

need ALL the aluminium :p

[autumn path]

i think with fluid i just built a bunch of overflow containers to handle a couple hours, then just rebuilt them occasionally, since it magically removes liquid

[ionic cipher]

what are the fondamentals to have before mooving from a base to another ?

[autumn path]

haven't played since 0.8

[ornate saffron]

only shitting on company time

Only shitting in the awesome sink

[tall lantern]

I mean if you're manually handling backup, just flush them

[autumn path]

how many dumps per coupon?

[ornate saffron]

its a ever increasing amount each ticket given to you makes the next more expensive

[normal orbit]

just need more fibre. chug those twigs and leaves

[autumn path]

does it count as alien DNA?

[tall lantern]

depends what you've been eating

[ornate saffron]

sam scaling but it has its own track that is not effected by other items

[normal orbit]

we can inhale alien protein :p so thats a thing

[ionic cipher]

why is there a fcking rock on the caterium ore wth is wrong with me

[normal orbit]

you seem to lack... explosive ordinance

[ionic cipher]

wth is that

is it ragebait ?

[normal orbit]

take a lil coal, and a lil sulfur, put it in a pipe. pipebomb!

or nobelisk i suppose

[autumn path]

some have it, some don't

ifi remeber the onme by the waterfall doesn't have one?

[ionic cipher]

guess i dont

[autumn path]

i mean some caterium have the rock some don't

[ionic cipher]

definetly rage bait

[normal orbit]

one in northern forest has a rock on it. theres one a bit further east which doesnt have one, or go west into rocky desert

[autumn path]

i seem to remeber in my 0.8 run i went to the waterfall one straight away, but someone else can confirm if it does or not

the one far south has a rock

south of the main base

[ornate saffron]

there is a REsearch station called the Mam many things can be researched there including Explosives to destroy Fuana, Flora and geological Structors

with this knowledge you to can be "the very model of a Major general"

[normal orbit]

so much fun explosives. there nobelisks, gas nobelisks, sonic nobelisks, cluster bombs and nuclear bombs. fun for days

oh and snowballs in the month of december :p

and fireworks

[ionic cipher]

ye i know but didnt knwo abt explosive

[sick falcon]

when are fluid trucks coming

[normal orbit]

in 1.2

[ornate saffron]

1.2 date for vanilla release is unknown. "

Someone said it moves to experamental this friday

correction we get the date for experimental firday

[normal orbit]

na, we get the date for when it comes to experimental on friday

[ornate saffron]

okay good to know.

[ionic cipher]

what do i have to put in petrol generator to make it work

[normal orbit]

fuel

you can click the lil cog on the fuel slot in the top left corner and it tells you diffrent fuels and burn rates

[ornate saffron]

Calling it the name in game will help use understand you easier.
Its a fuel generator for using Liquid Fuel.
If you are looking to use Petroleum Coke you use it in a Coal generator

[normal orbit]

oh wait its not a cog its a clipboard

or gas canister actually

[ionic cipher]

sorry im french and english is not easy for me to understand as my first language

[ornate saffron]

I say

⬜ top right ith the 🟠 in the corner of it

[ionic cipher]

i see the potential of oil now thats crazy

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message click there

[ornate saffron]

im clumsy with english lol

correction im clumsy . Full stop just clumsy lol

[normal orbit]

should tell you the names in your language

[tall schooner]

I set this up and let it run for a while. It's kind of infuriating that it worked. What the hell is wrong with the pipe logic that this works?

[sterile blade]

Speaking of languages, has any of you tried the... "alternative" English versions?

[normal orbit]

:)

[ionic cipher]

if i have a pure oil ore how much generator i can connect u think ?

[ornate saffron]

ya, I am fluid in Bad english and Horrid English

[tall schooner]

Depends on how much space, time, and recipes you have access to.

[sterile blade]

Check out the aviable languages 😉
I personally recommend trying out the Pirate one yarr

[ionic cipher]

space as much as i want and im just unlocking oil

[normal orbit]

if you convert the 600/min crude into heavy oil residue, you get 800, if you then use packaged diluted fuel you can make 1600 fuel, which would burn in 80 fuel gens making 20.000MW

[ornate saffron]

with out alternate recipeis 20 fuel generators

[normal orbit]

or if you just basic power, you can do 300 crude/min into 400 heavy oil residue and convert that to 266.66666... fuel/min which would power 13.33 fuel gens making 3.333mw

[ionic cipher]

compared to coal thats crazy

[normal orbit]

gets even crazier when you get to phase 4, unlock blenders and rocket fuel :)

[ornate saffron]

Coial is a Needed step for player lessons.
And id never tell a new player to skip.

But i feel its a wasted step these days for me. I often tear down my coal

[ionic cipher]

i think its a huge step up and u need to experience coal and then oil

[normal orbit]

coal is the natural introduction to pipes

and automated power

[ornate saffron]

absolutely.

ive clear the game 7 times now. So im talking just about me

[ionic cipher]

can i find blue print of factorys online or i have to make them ?

[normal orbit]

leaning to supply in correct quantities. then when you get fuel you get a little bit of a boost to power by leaning to deal with byproducts. then in phase 4 you can go bonkers and make loads of power, enough to skip nuclear power if you just wanna finish game.

[ornate saffron]

yuou make. its how you learn

[normal orbit]

i would recommend playing around with the blueprint designer, and figure out how it works

[ionic cipher]

man i dont know how to make an oil factory

[reef basin]

better to make them to actually learn how the factories work

[reef basin]

well, copy-pasting wouldn't help you learn it

[ionic cipher]

right

[normal orbit]

oil is your introduction to byproducts, you need to figure out how you wanna deal with them. Use em or sink em

[ionic cipher]

its not like a sand box ?

[normal orbit]

yea, you can more or less do what you like

[ornate saffron]

it is. but there is hard game mechanics tou need to learn. the phases teach you these things by doing

[ionic cipher]

i mean i need the materials to build in the blueprint shit

[normal orbit]

if your preferred playstyle would be to put byproduct in a big tank and empty it once in a while, that would be your choice to do

[quasi warren]

I dont bp oil factories. Ik I should. But I dont

[normal orbit]

yea, you might wanna go spelunking, find some sam and mercer spheres, and unlock the dimensional depot to always have building materials on hand

[stone quiver]

Priority for bp is fuel gen >>>>the rest

[quasi warren]

I just use the calculators, see how many refineries I need. Cry over how much space ill use. And start building

[ionic cipher]

i have it just didnt built it bc i dont wth is it

[stone quiver]

I always bottom feed my crude so bp refinery rarely saves me building

[normal orbit]

i've never used a planner, i just go. ok i have x amount of oil, i need plastic and rubber, how much can i make? and make it :p

[quasi warren]

I always top feed. Doesnt have to fight gravity

[stone quiver]

Never have an issue with crude tbh

[quasi warren]

I use alt recipes CONSTANTLY, so planners I always use

[normal orbit]

yea i use em a lot too :p

[ionic cipher]

30hrs in 4 dayss thats scary how i am addicted

[stone quiver]

Feeding byproducts upwards is rough, but crude, nah , one pump and good to go

[stoic spear]

would it be smart or dumb to make plastic or rubber then turning the heavy oil residue into fuel then into turbo fuel

[quasi warren]

Rookie numbers

[normal orbit]

my plubber factory is 2400 crude into 4800 plastic and 3200 rubber :p

[ionic cipher]

i mean in 4 days

[stone quiver]

More of a side quest. The primary way is heavy oil alt recipe --> diluted fuel

[ionic cipher]

ur scaring me

[quasi warren]

HAHAHHAHAHA. I meant it when I said rookie numbers

[fickle locust]

Smart

[unkempt blade]

Just make what you need. We don't know your save

[ionic cipher]

Ill suggest getting a job

[stoic spear]

its cause i need the plastic and rubber but can make turbo fuel

[quasi warren]

I try 👍 they never call back

Sooo... as of right now. The factory is my job

[stone quiver]

You can do whatever, as long as you make products from resources you're progressing

[ionic cipher]

In the France of macron it hard

[fickle locust]

When you unlock oil you want to set up plastic, rubber, and fuel generation all together, so combining them is a good idea

[quasi warren]

In the US its hell on earth TwT

[quasi warren]

Can confirm that

[bold heron]

How broken would be a fluid awesome sink ?

[ionic cipher]

I have to study for my mid terms in 2 days but satisfactory seems to be more interesting

[quasi warren]

I remember I was so mad wondering why my system wasnt working. Turns out, I never connected the byproduct output of one of the rubber refineries

[ionic cipher]

Depends for who i guess

[normal orbit]

fluid sinks would trivialize aluminium production by a great extent

[bold heron]

I hope 1.2 brings something like priority mergers for pipes.

[stone quiver]

Why is aluminum spoken about like a forbidden production

[quasi warren]

That has to deal with that HOW???

Im talking about the game brother

[stone quiver]

Refinery -> refinery -> refinery -> split off the solid materials to assemblers or crafters. Done.

[ionic cipher]

U will find out soonn

[low ingot]

because it is

[quasi warren]

Brother im talking about the game. Not irl 😭✌️

[ionic cipher]

Everything is linked

[quasi warren]

OK Aiden Pearce. Pop off

[stone quiver]

It's trivial, it's only a math problem if you want to maintain 100% uptime while chaining them

[normal orbit]

theres multiple ways to do aluminium, yet people seem to find the way which dont work and complain :p

[quasi warren]

💀 lets not bring politics into the game

Please.

[stone quiver]

Yeah I think they too hard to balance it instead of just starting it

[tall lantern]

also irrelevant to the game

[whole robin]

Is the regular fuel recipe the best for converting crude oil into fuel?

[quasi warren]

I get that. But let's stop talking about it here :D

[tall lantern]

no, but it'll do to start with

[stone quiver]

Alt HOR and alt Diluted fuel

[unkempt blade]

you should probably review #rules again

[ionic cipher]

You should see my « mb »

[tall lantern]

your motherboard's also irrelevant

[unkempt blade]

"mb" followed by breaking another rule is why I said something...

[ionic cipher]

I cant hate a country ?

[quasi warren]

Yep...

[quasi warren]

Hate speech. Cant talk abt it here

Not in off topic either

[tall lantern]

you can do what you like in private, but this is the Satisfactory server, not the country hate server

[ionic cipher]

So i cant hate oil asweel sorry

[quasi warren]

Its why I tried to stop the conversation earlier..

and go back to the game

[unkempt blade]

<@&387163995947270144> I think this person might be for you all

[ionic cipher]

Collabos 😂😂

[quasi warren]

What-

[sinful roost]

They're the ugliest thing in game is what!

[bold heron]

Guys pls keep politics out of this channel and use a private chat instead.

[quasi warren]

I tried 😭

[worldly pelican]

Lets keep politics, political and geographic opinions and hate out of this server…

[ionic cipher]

Yes sorry for that i will not continue

[quasi warren]

Thank you 🙏

[stoic spear]

is it possible to get all alternate recipes

[stone quiver]

All my homies hate MASSAGE-3.

[fickle locust]

Yes, just go hard drive hunting long enough

[ionic cipher]

And are the alternate recipes based on what u already have ?

[stone quiver]

Do not purchase HD from awesome shop. It's a trap.

[quasi warren]

Yeah

[ionic cipher]

Bc i get screws like 1/2 disk

[stone quiver]

They are based on progress and current recipes known AND current recipes unclaimed. So if you have 10 hard drives decoded and didn't select, none of those can show up

[ionic cipher]

So i can keep them to unlock later ?

[quasi warren]

Yeah

[ionic cipher]

The inside is not pre-determined ?

[reef basin]

that depends wdym by "best"

[normal orbit]

best in simplest to setup, but not really good if you want volume of fuel :p

[quasi warren]

Can confirm

[ionic cipher]

And now that i have oil should i build a factory for every ore and then stock every thing on place or concentrare all i one factory ?

[normal orbit]

Next step would prob be circuit boards and computers. Then start making elevator parts

[boreal snow]

Is it just me that the coffee cup is steaming when loading into the game but when switched it stops steaming until reaload?

literally unplayable

[terse zephyr]

what's the best way to deal with polymer resin? My powerplant makes 1700

per min

[tall lantern]

sink it

or use it for other production, just ensure it can't back up

[ornate saffron]

I sink it and keep track of waht s goiong tinto the sink. Then laster as i need plastic and rubber o other things ill trun it into those parts

[terse zephyr]

is there a good alternate recipe for it?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch polymer resin

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=polymer+resin

[tall lantern]

plain Residual Rubber is fine

[dense violet]

praise the wiki, love the wiki

[terse zephyr]

thanks guys

[sleek creek]

Are fluid trains broken?

I am at the Nitrogen stage and contemplating how I want to move it across the map.

[normal orbit]

No they work. But you might need some pump shenanigans to get it into the terminal

[sleek creek]

Is it better to just package and unpackage it?

[normal orbit]

It's different. Wouldnt say. Better or worse

[tall lantern]

nitrogen compresses well (4 gas -> 1 canister) so for transport it saves a train car each way. And [un]packaging lets you avoid dealing with fluid buffers. But obviously it costs some power and buildings to actually do the packaging

and in the grand scheme of things, train carriages aren't an expensive resource, though it does potentially save some platform space

[normal orbit]

Don't forget moving flasks back to package

[tall lantern]

yep, overall that only cuts the saving on carriages to half rather than three quarters

or is it a three quarters rather than some 8ths. I can't math atm apparently

[spare prism]

Hey hey hey I HATE SPIDERS 😭

[tall lantern]

1 carriage of nitrogen canisters is 3200 = 12800 fluid = 8 fluid carriages, but you also need one to ferry canisters back, so 2 carriages instead of 8 yeah

[sick falcon]

why does rocket fuel burn at such a weird rate

[tall lantern]

25/4 25/6

just because of its energy value

since burn rate is just a factor of energy value and the generator's power rate

[normal orbit]

25/6

4.166666...

[tall lantern]

I can't math atm apparently
and this one's not even math, just memory... jesus

I'm giving up for the night 😅

[normal orbit]

You can overclock fuel gens to 120 or 240% to make an even 5 or 10.

[sick falcon]

also its hitting me that 1500 rocket fuel is a lot of generators

should have checked that before building the entire plant

[normal orbit]

150 at 240%

A crisp 90gw

[sick falcon]

360 at 100%

[ornate saffron]

becuase it hits 10/min eaxctly when overclocked to 240%

[dense violet]

if only you could get teh same amount of power with 36 generators

[sick falcon]

i can’t go near my nuclear plant without my face melting off so i can’t expand it

[hybrid nymph]

I have 120 coal generators

Producing 9,000 megawatts

Because coal, despite not being the best, is a very stable and reliable source of power

I found a pure coal node, what do you think I should do with it? Should I make it into compacted coal so I can make more turbo fuel, or should I use it for more coal generators?

[topaz shale]

I'm wondering if I should start yet another new save to try to complete this game but this time using my steam deck to play... It has been way too long since my last save and honestly, I'm not all too happy on how that world turned out not to mention that it is modded so want to start fresh vanilla.

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah nice you should do it!

[topaz shale]

And if I'm restarting yet again, I better finish this time otherwise I'll lose my mind lol

I'll probably mostly handfeed past tier 3 or so. Did it last time and it didn't take me too long. Want to leave the bigger factories for when I need it.

I'm definitely not going to be making any kind of mega factory. I only have enough patience for just getting through the game at a resonable pace.

[sick falcon]

handfeeding past tier 3 😭

[topaz shale]

Yeah won't be going past that. I did it up to tier 3 but no further lol

[mighty flume]

I know I can blow up the small rocks with the bombs but is there anything I can with the medium size ish rocks I put 3 nobelisk on it and it did nothing

[sick falcon]

tier or phase 3

[ornate saffron]

sometimes (mostly on my laptop) a rock wont blow. ill save and reload and tray again placing the nob elsewhere on the same rock

[topaz shale]

Sorry meant phase. But yeah. Handfed phase 3 isn't so bad.

[mighty flume]

I’ll give that a shot, it’s smaller than a foundation so I assume I can destroy it

[topaz shale]

Been too long since I've played. Forgot the names of stuff.

[mighty flume]

Actually the foundation just covers it up so imma just act like it doesn’t exist

[ornate saffron]

only rocks with cracks. its zelda logic

[weak bloom]

can you build off the edge of the continent?

[ornate saffron]

yes you can build anywhere you can reach with your build gun.

even in the death box beyond the contentant

[weak bloom]

if it's a death box then you can't go there though right?

or does it only kill you if you fall far enough down?

[proven snow]

*until

Rather than "past", I assume?

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message how far out over the void can i build before ada smites me

[ornate saffron]

the death box is pretty far into the ocean

and IN the deathbox you can hover on the edge of it poinmt you gun inside and build

[ornate saffron]

until you die and cant reach further

[topaz shale]

God my typing is horrible. Yup, until. I really should be proof reading before sending...

[weak bloom]

oh I guess then the black void zone on the map beyond the borders of the continent isn't actually the death box? I thought it was just the border of the landmass but I guess it's way further out than that

[spare prism]

is 174 fuel gens to much for my game?

[ornate saffron]

my last game had 480 for a single power facility

All at 240%

[spare prism]

oh okay so it should run

[ornate saffron]

depends on your math ^_^

[spare prism]

sorry it should be 148 max

i got my numbers mixed it

[proven snow]

Should be plenty fine with an average or even below average PC

As long as it's not a piece of crap

[mystic crag]

Time to do solid dynamics test 🤞

[autumn path]

yea i had no problem playing on my old 1060 like 5 years ago

[dense violet]

iodine filters into a dim depot = totally fine

[tame violet]

game is on an entirely different engine version from 5 years ago

im not sure if a 1060 would be good enough anymore

[autumn path]

It is