satisfactory

[jaunty jewel]

the whole game is the tutorial, then it becomes sandbox after you beat phase 5

[pastel surge]

Imma have to spend like 12 hours making 1 factory

[wanton cloud]

u can record routes with them, and transport slow producing or high stack items over short distances with them

[jaunty jewel]

laugh at this user

[jaunty jewel]

Conveyor belt

[warm finch]

Be nice...

But yes I'm laughing

[wanton cloud]

im saying it's just a fun alternative

[pastel surge]

That's because I sped through phase 4

[forest dew]

Evening, I was wondering in the MAM how you research the SAM analysis, p[lease?

[jaunty jewel]

NO NO NO! DONT YOU DARE MENTION "FUN" AROUND ME WTF

[warm finch]

Gotta find SAM ore

[pastel surge]

By getting sam manually

Look up sam locations

[jaunty jewel]

go explore til you find some purple stuff talking to you (its not schizophrenia)

[warm finch]

No, just the aliens are

[pastel surge]

Jokes on u I play with no sound

[forest dew]

LOL Love that

[forest dew]

Wow do you?!

[jaunty jewel]

i mean it is Strange ALIEN Matter

[pastel surge]

Uh, yeah

[warm finch]

Jokes on you, sounds exist?

[forest dew]

haha

[fair aspen]

Hey
Anybody that have a blueprint for the adaptive control unit, without Alu?

[pastel surge]

Do they?

[forest dew]

Oh so this is different to the mercer sphere?

[warm finch]

Look at my name for the joke

[jaunty jewel]

without alu?

[pastel surge]

Lmao

[fair aspen]

All of them i could find use alclad aluminum shhet

[pastel surge]

You need aluminum for that?

[jaunty jewel]

probably using mk5 belts

[fair aspen]

Nope, but all of them has it

[pastel surge]

Makes sense

[forest dew]

Okay, I think you need mk3 miner for that but as you say manually for SAM

[jaunty jewel]

also play the game yourself dont rely on other people to make stuff for you

[jaunty jewel]

any miner can go on any node

(provided there isnt something blocking it)

[fair aspen]

I know, but is just a big thing to build

[warm finch]

But I need to know which recipe is best!

[jaunty jewel]

if you think adaptive control unit is big then

[fair aspen]

ahaha yeah i know

[jaunty jewel]

although i have said multiple times before that i think they are the hardest part relative to the phase

[warm finch]

No blueprint is large enough for the entire production chain of adaptive control unit.

[fair aspen]

i know, and some of them are in parts

[glacial drum]

I don’t happen to believe that.

Mk 3 blueprints with vertical building surely could fit that

[jaunty jewel]

maybe not many at a time

im sure itd be possible somehow

[warm finch]

Not without aluminum which is what they're asking for

@fair aspen what's the issue with aluminum that you are looking to avoid?

[fair aspen]

i have not unlocked it yet

[warm finch]

Ah! Then don't worry about going large scale production on adaptive control unit. It isn't used for anything but space parts

[fair aspen]

Oh okay then, i was thinking about making them a part of my mega factory

[reef basin]

Wouldn't recommend megafactory tbh

[fair aspen]

Why not?

[crude canyon]

it gets overwhelming at a certain point

[glacial drum]

performance and input distance

[reef basin]

Tons of extra logistical headache, it's way more complex than separate factories

[jaunty jewel]

performance is very correct my megafactory save is already starting to struggle a little bit

and i havent even done copper yet

[fair aspen]

I mean am over 50% done, so am just gonna make it done

[jaunty jewel]

megafactory typically means you make a very large amount of different things in the same place not just a big factory (even though i think this is stupid)

[stoic nebula]

im onto the last elevator phase...

im scared

[warm finch]

Now the game really starts!

[jaunty jewel]

phase 5 is easier than phase 4 and i will die on this hill

[stoic nebula]

good thing i still have pasta being made

[stoic nebula]

😭 😭 😭

[stoic nebula]

phase 4 was super easy, i just put parts i had plenty of together

[jaunty jewel]

thats what phase 5 is!

[fair aspen]

Who do i copy past?

[pastel surge]

Fr

[pastel surge]

Dawg no it ain't

[jaunty jewel]

just make it yourself

[jaunty jewel]

yes it is what

[fair aspen]

I mean settings for a sign

[jaunty jewel]

phase 4 is

• make aluminium
• add aluminium and nitrogen gas to other stuff
• done

[pastel surge]

Satisfactory modeler a real clutch for planning a factory for this

[stoic nebula]

ig we'll see...

[jaunty jewel]

phase 5 is

• make diamonds/time crystals
• make ficsite trigons
• add to other parts
• done

[pastel surge]

Mmmmm Nuh uh

[stoic nebula]

have u done phase 5?

[pastel surge]

I'm doing it rn

[jaunty jewel]

shut up you are stuck in a microwave

[pastel surge]

LMAO

[jaunty jewel]

id love to post the jester gif but i cannot

[stoic nebula]

yea but thats more stuff i have to get... i didnt make anything for phase 4 except the elevator parts itself and copper powder and the cubes....

[pastel surge]

But I'm level 60 in Microsoft solitaire collection, so that makes my answer right by any means

[jaunty jewel]

fuck i cant compete with that

[stoic nebula]

sounds right

[jaunty jewel]

thats probably the highest level worldwide by like 53 levels!

[warm finch]

No way. Unlocking mk6 belts make me want to go back and redo EVERYTHING

[stiff dock]

i'm in the onboarding stage , how do i get a copper node that's like 100 m away , all the way to my smelter?

[stoic nebula]

why?

[jaunty jewel]

i mean if were talking from a literal "this is what you have to do" what i said is pretty accurate

[stiff dock]

whenever i try a convayer it says it's too long

[stoic nebula]

belts! :D

[jaunty jewel]

place the smelter closer

[warm finch]

It's what I have to do... Lol

[stoic nebula]

place it on the ground

[stiff dock]

ugh that's obnoxious

[pastel surge]

True

[jaunty jewel]

noooo i have to move to something in a 3d game its too hard

[stoic nebula]

why????

[jaunty jewel]

if this is how you are already feeling about the game might i suggest refunding it 🥀

[stoic nebula]

so real 🥀

[pastel surge]

Because the object isn't in motion unless it's put in motion or smth

[jaunty jewel]

id imagine its to get as much stuff as "efficient" or whatever as possible

[stoic nebula]

maybe

[jaunty jewel]

well the force is literally just pressing a key on your keyboard or (i imagine) moving the analog stick

[wanton cloud]

man imagine if we had reverse dimensional depot

that would be busted

[pastel surge]

ikr

[drowsy kelp]

A dimensional depot downloader?

[stoic nebula]

ive said that since dimensional depos were added

[pastel surge]

Modders get to work

[wanton cloud]

yea like in ur inventory but as a building

[jaunty jewel]

ah yes let me turn off logistic challenges

[stoic nebula]

i mean like place one down and it sends things out

[wanton cloud]

basically a dimensional depot with an output slot

[pastel surge]

Yes

[stoic nebula]

so i can send things across the map instantly

[jaunty jewel]

i dont want to move something to a different factory? boom dimensional depot

[stoic nebula]

GUYS HEAR ME OUT

[wanton cloud]

the only way this could be balanced is if it was added as a last-tier milestone

[pastel surge]

Yes

[jaunty jewel]

i mean theres portals so

i guess so

[wanton cloud]

yeah there portals so why not the depots

[pastel surge]

Do you guys have a Valentine's

[stoic nebula]

you put a splitter on the end of a miner so that you can split overfilled belt into lower marks

[stoic nebula]

the idea would be fire

[pastel surge]

Does that work

[forest dew]

Aha, found it

[stoic nebula]

no. but it should

[forest dew]

Now to run power there

[jaunty jewel]

no it shouldnt

[stoic nebula]

bring it in 1.2

[warm finch]

1200/min from mk3 and 2400/min from a train station is glorious!

[stoic nebula]

why?

[pastel surge]

I thought it needed a belt connectrd

[jaunty jewel]

mk6 belts would be useless

[stoic nebula]

i mean add a splitter, right? then split the stuff out

[warm finch]

You are still in the tutorial, the game is trying to teach you stuff

[stoic nebula]

it would be nice for lower levels

[wanton cloud]

i tried to do that multiple times but i realized i couldnt so i just gave up

[jaunty jewel]

well yeah but it kind of reduces the need to produce anything past mk1 even if its obnoxious

[stoic nebula]

i love trains

[warm finch]

No I can't hear you

[warm finch]

Trains are just a mechanical form of the pipes you hate so much

[stoic nebula]

but what im saying is it would be like adding it to the very start of a elevator head, but on a miner
@wanton cloud
@jaunty jewel

[jaunty jewel]

i know what you are saying and i am saying its a bad idea

[stoic nebula]

LISTEN ITS DIFFERENT TRAINS LOOK COOL AFTER THEYRE BUILT

[wanton cloud]

yes. that is what i also tried to do, and the inspiration came exactly from elevator heads, but i realized i couldnt

[warm finch]

I legit can't hear you, why do you keep oppressing me by telling me to listen or hear you out? /s

[stoic nebula]

yea i found that out yesterday when i found a pure copper

[stoic nebula]

oh yea. "deafbringer." srry

[crude canyon]

@stoic nebulaSo do you know much about pipe mechanics?

[stoic nebula]

nah i dont think so /j

[warm finch]

They know enough to hate it lol

[stoic nebula]

LOL

[crude canyon]

I have a server dedicated understanding pipes, if you're interested

[stoic nebula]

that doesnt seem bad to join

[jaunty jewel]

are you a tangrowthetress

[crude canyon]

yes, it's a fusion of 2 physically bulky pokemon. Resulting in a grass/steel with volt switch, regenerator and knock off

[jaunty jewel]

that seems "fun"

[crude canyon]

That metagame also has guts dragonite ursaring with espeed, and flame body steel flying moltres

[jaunty jewel]

i only know vgc and i only know it barely

[pastel surge]

The split is still a conveyor connected item though

[remote cloud]

yeah but that doesnt take much to be honest

[pastel surge]

So sadly it no work

[stiff dock]

wait should i have a miner and put it on one node , and then connect it to smelters and constructors , and then have another miner even if its far away and set up smelters and constructors there? if i do that how am i supposed to get biofuel over there

[remote cloud]

you dont have to get biofuel over there, just a power chord

[pastel surge]

I would rather make long pipe than setup trains

[stiff dock]

how long can i stretch power chords ?

[remote cloud]

as far as you need, just build some extra poles

[stiff dock]

and should i put the smelters and constructors over there too or should i keep them by the hub ?

[remote cloud]

and try and build all the crafty things in one spot

[stiff dock]

okay

[pastel surge]

^

[stiff dock]

so preferably by the hub ?

[drowsy kelp]

Power lines between the small power poles can do 100 meters, power towers can do 300

[remote cloud]

and going against my nature and name, try to keep it all organized, otherwise you'll get lost in mountains of belts

[pastel surge]

I would keep your main factory by your hub

[drowsy kelp]

You can chain an unlimited amount of poles/towers

[pastel surge]

Lemme see your world

[acoustic bear]

3000 iron pipe per minute later....

[stiff dock]

okay cuz i have iron at my main hub, and copper is like 100 m away over like a little hill

[remote cloud]

uhhh

[pastel surge]

For what reason

[remote cloud]

i plead the 5th

[pastel surge]

Why do you need that much pipe

[stiff dock]

and it's tedious and idk how i'm supposed to bring all the materials over from there to the smelters and constructors

[drowsy kelp]

For a sense of scale a foundation is an 8 meter square iirc

[acoustic bear]

all of the encased beams

[unkempt blade]

a nice conveyor fettucine would really class up the place though

[pastel surge]

You don't really need that many

[remote cloud]

belts belts and belts

[warm finch]

Yeah it's wild how you can run 1,000k MW through 1 wire lol

[stiff dock]

but they have a limit to how long they can go right ?

[acoustic bear]

nobody needs anything lol

[pastel surge]

Fr

[remote cloud]

imma see if i can find a picture of my most recent spaghetti

[drowsy kelp]

A gigawatt’s nothing

[acoustic bear]

yah, got like 800k MW on tap

[warm finch]

Nope, no limit. You can daisy chain power towers indefinitely

[stiff dock]

no i mean conveyers

[warm finch]

Yeah that was supposed to be GW lol

[stiff dock]

i don't have power towers yet i'm on step 10 of onboarding that's why i'm so lost

[crude canyon]

Well, you have a bunch of choices, and you can pick any of them
Early on, you're limited by the belt speed of the miner, so I say build smelters and constructors close to the node.

[unkempt blade]

it is a kilomegawatt though

[warm finch]

Same for belts. You can run them as long as you want

[drowsy kelp]

It’s also a megakilowatt

[crude canyon]

power towers come a bit later, but don't worry about them yet

[remote cloud]

found them

[soft marsh]

Looks like my power plant drone setup both works and doesnt work

Sometimes it seems like the drones get hung up and wont actually unload unless I have them in sight.

[dim charm]

Can someone try to join my game quick? Tryna set up a server

[soft marsh]

Might end up going back to some trains.

[remote cloud]

working, offline half the time and draining power too fast, exactly how i like it -Josh 2025

[remote cloud]

trains👀

[pastel surge]

I'm making like uh

I forgot

[soft marsh]

I want to move my power plant but that's too much work right now lol I need to actually make progress in the game so I might replace my drone station with a train station and have a few trains bring sulfur, nitrogen and coal.

[remote cloud]

i got all of it running on drones, but they dont unload once the system is full

[dense violet]

just make another instead?

[pastel surge]

That's the nicest spaghetti

[soft marsh]

The only thing that would really change is that I dont need to bus in empty fluid containers like I am now. Granted I probably dont even need to do it now

[remote cloud]

or at least, they dont seem to want to

[soft marsh]

Thats the intention. I'm going to make a nuclear plant in the swamp so once that one is online, I'll probably move the RF one somewhere else.

[remote cloud]

its been alot worse, i dabble a little in trying to keep the belts mosly organized

[reef basin]

Process where resources are

[remote cloud]

imma see if i can find a screenshot of my world

[unkempt blade]

That's beautiful but it's way too organized to be spaghetti. More of a lasagna

[pastel surge]

I'm in worst

[native tapir]

It's all pasta baby

[pastel surge]

Trains are meh in this game

Trains irl are peak though

[hollow hemlock]

They look cool, that's what matters

[soft marsh]

the worst thing about trains in this game is the track. Once setup and looking good theyre great but theyre so hard to make look good

[drowsy kelp]

They’re fun to drive tho

[pastel surge]

I guess

[remote cloud]

wrong person to say that to, i love trains

[pastel surge]

I do too, but I found it easier to just send belts

[soft marsh]

My issue with belting everywhere is the load on the game

[drowsy kelp]

Can’t honk a horn on a belt

[soft marsh]

the items on the belt count toward the item limit so it can limit you very quickly depending on belt distance

[pastel surge]

Wdym

[acoustic bear]

the game has belt settings for CPU load and ram usage

[soft marsh]

I dont mean performance, I mean item limit

[pastel surge]

I've never had issues

[pastel surge]

What's the item limit

[hazy topaz]

that’s modded tho and if I use it then I can’t get achievements 😭

[soft marsh]

Somewhere around 2m last I heard. So if you have hundreds of hella long belts, it eats into that limit quickly

[white dawn]

One huge advantage of trains is scalability, fwiw. Run some belts and that's all you've belted. Any new transfer you need to make requires more belts. Or if you decide that transfer needs more throughput, you're stuck upgrading every single one of those belt segments, etc.

Rail certainly has a much higher initial investment in infrastructure, but once it's set up, it just becomes more and more useful

A single bit of rail that you set up early in the game to handle a single A->B transfer can end up supporting a truly staggering amount of throughput

The more your investment in rail infrastructure, the more it pays off

(Plus you also get a fun and scenic Pioneer transit system built in!)

[brittle seal]

can you mirror machines? specifically refineries, so the fluid and item output switch sides?

[hollow hemlock]

If only there was a build mode to get tracks to follow the terrain

[dense violet]

just slide them a couple meters so you can put 2 on one feed junction

[crude canyon]

• Trains are bi directional. You set it up once and now you can make parts go both ways.

• You don't need to upgrade kilometers of belts, only a few at the train stations.

• Trains can carry more depending on the stack size. Which means a train can have a higher quickwire throughput than 2 belts can provide.

• You can expand the train's capacity by adding more wagons. But with belts, you'd need to lay new belt lines

[leaden turret]

trains are uni-directional, but can be made bi-directional.

[white dawn]

(To be clear: I'm not trying to convince anyone to stop just using belts everywhere if that's what they want to do. :D Only pointing out some advantages of trains specifically which may not be immediately apparent)

[crude canyon]

meanwhile trucks just being worse trains

[leaden turret]

embrace the spaghet / embrace the lasagn

[white dawn]

Different use cases, different niches. (And different tiers! Try using trains in phase 2 and see how well you can do that. :)

I continue to put in the occasional tractor route even into Phase 5 where appropriate

Sometimes a transfer's just too short for a train or a drone but the terrain's conducive to vehicles

[hazy topaz]

oh boy time to have trains transferring materials from one machine to another with a track length of a single foundation tile

[crude canyon]

Yeah I like tractors because I don't have to lay down infrastructure
Instead, just go around the route half a dozen times

[white dawn]

Hah, yeah, route planning can definitely eat up some time and work against the whole "doesn't need infrastructure" angle. :D

I'll often leave myself little signs as reminders so I don't miss a turn

[crude canyon]

I wish there was an easier way to go up with tractors

going down there's gravity, but nothing for going up

[gloomy tusk]

How much rocket fuel do the fuel burners consume

[white dawn]

-# jump pads!

[dense violet]

!wikisearch

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=

[dense violet]

ask the wiki, the wiki knows all

[crude canyon]

yeah the reliable jump pad...

[hazy topaz]

For satisfactory tools, is there someway to switch the belts I have available and miners?

[white dawn]

There's a little orange gas-can icon on the Fual Generator control panel next to the input buffer -- if you click on that it'll show you the consumption rates for all fuel it supports that you have unlocked (though only at 100% clock)

[gloomy tusk]

It’s easier if someone just told me 🥹

[gloomy tusk]

Thank you

[white dawn]

sftools gives you a high-level logical factory plan; it doesn't care or do anything with belt speeds or miners, etc.

[dense violet]

3.547 rf pm

[white dawn]

How you get the ore -- and how you decide to belt it / hook it up -- is an implementation detail left up to the user

[crude canyon]

i think using modeler is better for that
look up satisfactory modeler on steam

[white dawn]

IMO the game itself is better for that than even Modeler. Logical plan via sftools, the game itself for planning+layout. If you do it in Modeler then you have to do it twice (once there, and then again in-game)

Though I recognize that Modeller's a very popular tool. :)

[west sluice]

How do I enable photo mode?

[gloomy tusk]

#1472364317084090489 anyone good at designing factory’s that would like to help

[gloomy tusk]

P

[west sluice]

thanks!

[crude canyon]

what about satisfactory-layouts.com?

[hazy topaz]

I guess so, i’m just tryna figure out how I can make 10 rotors and 10 iron reinforced plates used 240 iron/minute that I have available from 2 pure iron nodes

[white dawn]

I've not actually ever looked at that one, though I expect I'd have the same opinion. I'm not fond of tools which try to do "full" layouts for me. When I'm using an external tool, generally all I want is the high-level logical plan

Like just tell me that I've got 12 assemblers headed into 5 manufacturers and the throughput that needs, and I'll just work it out in-game. :D

[crude canyon]

yeah modeler is perfect for that

[hazy topaz]

If I download that mod, can I still get achievements?

[hollow hemlock]

It's not a mod

[hazy topaz]

it is

[crude canyon]

it's not a mod, it's a separate app

[hazy topaz]

oh

[hollow hemlock]

It's just a fancy calculator

[white dawn]

What part of https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=JNX4YYfaydUVJA8NbPHY is causing you problems, btw? It's true that it's leaving the belting up to you, but the machines can be pretty easily divided up

[tranquil zinc]

Can a train system be able to equal 1200 materials per minute? same as conveyer? Or becuase of the stoppages, it can only handle less than that?

[white dawn]

Might be easier to do it in two separate plans, of course. Have one factory line just doing the 10/min rotors, and another doing the 10/min RIP

[tranquil zinc]

Like no downtime whatsover, flat 1200 materials per minute

[white dawn]

A single freight car can handle a bit under 2x your max belt speed. The exact throughput limit depends on the item's stack size and the route's round-trip time

If you need more than a-bit-under-2x-your-max-belt-speed, just add more freight cars

[crude canyon]

yes, with buffers. By having a buffer with an input of 1200, and then 2 belts outputting that

[white dawn]

Any of the available logistics methods (belts+pipes/vehicles/trains/drones) can be built out to support whatever throughput you need

[hollow hemlock]

It can approach 2400 items with max belts

[tranquil zinc]

I don't understand, why 2x belts speed? Does the belt get 2x speed when connected to a train?

[hollow hemlock]

Per station

[rugged burrow]

Hi folks, thinking of starting a new run after so long. Which zone is recommended to build for nice views?

[tranquil zinc]

so approach only? not exact equal?

[hollow hemlock]

There are 2 ports

[white dawn]

Stations have 2x belt inputs and 2x belt outputs

[unkempt blade]

reliably fun

[acoustic bear]

any tbh. just run around and see what you think

[tranquil zinc]

well its still one belt speed though?

[white dawn]

You can't get the full 2x-max-belt-speed throughput because the station itself pauses material transfers for 27 seconds while the train is docking

[hollow hemlock]

2 belts is 2x belts

[crude canyon]

red forest

[gloomy tusk]

#screenshots message cat help with rocket fuel factory

[acoustic bear]

the north coast would probably be my pick for a restart. there is a big long canyon with a huge oil patch just north of it

[white dawn]

Nope, you can get over 1x-max-belt-speed for sure. You've got two belts to use. :)

See also: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput

[crude canyon]

you can overflow into another wagon

[tranquil zinc]

the reason I am asking is for power production. Is it possible to have 1200 CONSTANT materials throughput to a train. Or when dealing with power, just stick with belts?

[tranquil zinc]

two belts, 1200 each. not 2400 each though

[white dawn]

I had previously constrained my answers to "on a single platform" :)

[white dawn]

Right, obvs. :)

[hollow hemlock]

Sure, if you have mk6 belts and use them both you can exceed 1200 items per minute indefinitely. You just have to feed the beast

[tranquil zinc]

okay, now I am even more confused

[white dawn]

The point is that it's the single freight-car/station which is supporting approaching-2x-max-belt-speed throughput

And if you need more than that, just add more freight-cars/platforms

[acoustic bear]

the desert areas are particularly pretty also IMO

[tranquil zinc]

I really don't understand this sentence. input is coming in at 1200. during the train its 2400? then when its at the station it becomes 1200?

[crude canyon]

blue crater ftw

[white dawn]

If you're only belting in 1200/min into a single freight platform, then yes, that platform is only going to be transferring 1200/min

[acoustic bear]

the big canyon along the north coast connects two pretty bountiful desert areas in a great way IMO

[hollow hemlock]

You can drain the box at almost 2400 items per minute. Filling the box is a separate issue

[crude canyon]

the train station has 2 inputs, so each wagon can carry up to a bit less 2400 per minute

[white dawn]

less than

[tranquil zinc]

guys, I am lost lol

[white dawn]

You can't actually get to full 2x-max-belt-speed due to the input/output pausing while loading

[tranquil zinc]

okay, first of. the reason I am asking is for power production. Is it possible to have 1200 CONSTANT materials throughput to a train. Or when dealing with power, just stick with belts?

[hollow hemlock]

Yes

[tranquil zinc]

with 1200 input?

[unkempt blade]

I would think you could for larger stack size items at least no?

[white dawn]

Yes, indeed, or at least effectively so. Depending on stack size and round-trip time of your train route.

[crude canyon]

yes
You can have a train with multiple wagons, each wagon doing at least 1200

[tranquil zinc]

or do I need more than 1200 input so that there is a buffer?

[white dawn]

You need to make sure you're properly buffering, since remember that you're going to get a lot of material in all at once

So it's really a solid 1200/min out of your buffering. The train station itself will receive a huge chunk of stuff all at once

[reef basin]

With mk6 definitely, with lower belts you'd probably need more cars/platforms

[tranquil zinc]

like 1 pure node ---> train station -->> power plant. or do I need 2 pure nmodes ->>>> train station -->> power plant

[white dawn]

Larger stack sizes gets you closer to 2x-max-belt-speed-throughput on a single platform/car, yeah

[reef basin]

What you put in, you get out (ideally)

[hollow hemlock]

Fill your pure node into an industrial container then use both belts to load the station

[tranquil zinc]

so its possible to get no efficiency loss?

[white dawn]

Correct. That is true of all the logistics options in the game (belts+pipes/vehicles/trains/drones)

Whether or not you can do that on a single freight car is another question entirely

Since the throughput depends on the round-trip time of the route

[reef basin]

Throughput loss? Yeah

[white dawn]

But if a single car can't handle the throughput, then you just add more cars

[tranquil zinc]

just add more trains to the line until its equal? Is the increase linear? like adding another train equals double the current throughput?

or does the increase get lesser the more trains there are?

[hollow hemlock]

It gives you more belts to work with

[white dawn]

Freight cars weigh more when they're full (and adding more makes the train heavier), and the locomotive has a fixed acceleration power. Technically adding more cars can slow down the train, which could affect throughput

Though you could mitigate that by adding more locomotives

In the end, honestly: just start playing with it.

Hook up your resources, sink them on the far end.

Make sure that your sending side's platforms are getting completely cleared out when the train leaves, and that the station on the far end is emptying out properly

At that point, so long as nothing's backing up, if you're putting x/min on one end, then you're receiving x/min on the other end

[hollow hemlock]

Yeah if you want absolute mathematical precision, this game might be the wrong one to use trains in

[white dawn]

It's easy to get lost in the weeds with this kind of thing, but very little beats Just Trying It Out™

(And if this is your first time doing train logistics and you're nervous about it since it's a power grid, you could always just belt it instead and have a "softer" first rail deployment)

[hollow hemlock]

Or don't ride so close to the limits

[white dawn]

(And also also why not build your power right near the resources it needs, instead of using logistics at all? I'll rescind the question if you're building out nuclear, since there's so many resource requirements for that. :)

Nuclear's pretty much the only time I don't build power right next to the required resources (and only because finding one spot that can handle all of uranium+plutonium+ficsonium is, er, quite a challenge. :)

[tranquil zinc]

I am asking because I am doing an exploitative playthrough. Any node must be used fully and efficiently (after overclocking 250%)

[white dawn]

Ah, so you're causing your own problems, got it. :)

[hollow hemlock]

Then let the belts and spaghetti fly

[white dawn]

Anyway, as I say: just start playing with it. Set up the route, see how it works. Sink it at the far end so that you can see it working all the way

When I'm setting up a new factory, if there's logistics involved, I'll basically always set up the logistics first, so I can feel confident that they're all working properly

And just have that stuff sinking until it's actually got some machines to go into.

(And I typically just leave the overflow-sink setup in place even after that, 'cause who's got time to dismantle?)

[tranquil zinc]

Planning on exploiting x number of oil nodes in the map for rocket fuel.

into one central power plant area

[white dawn]

Right, so: causing your own problems. :)

[gloomy tusk]

What should I do with compacted coal?

[tranquil zinc]

whatever I learned from that, I can use for nuclear exploitation next lol

[white dawn]

But causing your own problems (and solving them) can certainly be a lot of fun

[hollow hemlock]

Burn it, get some of that sweet sweet air pollution started

[white dawn]

I'd still recommend just building your rocket fuel right near the nodes that it needs

[white dawn]

Most folks see it as just an intermediate resource on the path to Other Stuff. Can certainly be burnt in Coal-Powered Generators if you like, though

I'd wager that using Compacted Coal for power is one of the least-used power generation possibilities, though. (Second really only to Liquid Biofuel)

(I mean, I've used Compacted Coal for power in the past, but I'm a weirdo, so...)

[ionic tundra]

Sorry really quick
120 Iron
4 Smelters
60 to plates - 2 constructors - Storage
60 to rods - 4 constructors - 30 rods to storage
30 rods into 3 constructors for screws - to storage

Did I get that right?

then that's 40 plates
30 rods
120 screws
per minute

or should I go 80 screws and 40 rods

[hollow hemlock]

You're missing the step where it all gets sent to a sink to be ground up into coupons

[stoic nebula]

are you going to invite me?

[stoic nebula]

nvm

[ionic tundra]

you're missing the step where I am cutting down trees for power, I don't have the sink yet lmfao

[solid grail]

you always need way more than you think

[white dawn]

Screws are basically Not Needed for your build gun use. It's handy to have a bit around for building AWESOME shops, and for some Equipment Workshop items, but not really worth storing per se

As for how much to build of things in general, my advice is: just build however much you want for your personal use, and have that factory be done. Then whenever some other product needs more of that material, make more right inside that new factory.

So like don't try to make a bunch of Iron Rods so that other stuff can use them later. Just make some for your build gun and leave it there

When some other factory needs more rods, make more rods there

That way the only "how much should I make?" question is "how quickly do I want my own storage to fill up"

[ionic tundra]

yeah exactly, that way I'm not having to transport everything across the map too

[white dawn]

Instead of trying to guess about how much you'll need in the future

[ionic tundra]

Alrighty I'll mess around, gonna do an overflow system into a Sink when I unlock it
I'll find a good iron setup for now
cheers guys

[solid grail]

Solid plan! Did you unlock smart splitters already?

[wanton cloud]

yo genuinely

why are there no coated walls

[leaden turret]

walls have no shoulders, cannot keep coat attached

[wanton cloud]

okay then, shiny walls

[leaden turret]

-# is walls, not pokemon

[dense violet]

use coated foundations as walls, the sides are shiny I seem to recall

[leaden turret]

October 14th, 2025
Q&A: We have more weapons than Wall materials, will we ever get more Wall materials?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frd-WNHb67c

[dense violet]

thick walls make for good design options too

[wanton cloud]

yes but they are really impractical

[wanton cloud]

reflective walls

[leaden turret]

-# walls has no brain, cannot philosophise

[solid grail]

priority list is clearly 1. Weapons 2. More Weapons 3. Maybe a nice wallpaper.

[dense violet]

half foundations should also work

[wanton cloud]

still have all the drawbacks of a full one

[leaden turret]

half the drawbacks

[wanton cloud]

cant put wall holes, no doors etc

[fierce holly]

I am a dog who smokes cigarettes

[leaden turret]

fake door using hypertube

[dense violet]

you can easily shift them about and clip them so you can have doors and 'holes'

[leaden turret]

game is swedish, not american.

walls don't have to be paper thin

[solid grail]

[dense violet]

black mold is also optional

[leaden turret]

[insert joke about [redacted] here]

[pastel surge]

Ikr

[ionic tundra]

can I send clips here, conveyor isn't doing a 90 degree turn

[acoustic bear]

hit r

[ionic tundra]

absolute g, never knew haha
cheers mate

[acoustic bear]

you can do that when dismantling or blueprinting as well

it'll change various options

like you can dismantle single items or whole blueprints

[wanton cloud]

is there a setting to make it so that when i build something it pulls the materials from the inventory first and depot second

[acoustic bear]

yes, when you hit Q, it's in the upper corner

check box option

or tab, not q

my bad

[wanton cloud]

damn i never noticed that before

thanks man

[acoustic bear]

no problem

it's hard to notice

[stone quiver]

It's hard to know which option it's on

Because it says "pull from depot first" but does that mean that's what the current option is or the swap

[cold berry]

I just started playing this game because Factorio depresses me but I like factory

[solid grail]

[cold berry]

Brown is so sad

The way they do it

Oops all brown

[solid grail]

Easiest way to tell is the HUD color while building. Orange icons = Pockets, Purple icons = Depot.

[stone quiver]

Don't build in the swamp then , you'll feel the same

[cold berry]

I like swamp. I think it's the desolation of the setting that upsets me. The only life wants to kill me AND it's brown

No trees even

That I've seen

[stone quiver]

Well if you enjoy poison fog and dark effects on the screen the whole time, I guess it is a blast

[hollow hemlock]

It gives you a good excuse to setup alot of lighting

[cold berry]

I weirdly like swamps in games. And I love horror. Factorio is just. So blah to me. And I love factory games, but never bought a pure factory game, and went on a spending spree this weekend

And Factorio was not on the list because I actually get freaking sad watching gameplay

But it looks high quality.

[ornate saffron]

if a swamp aint slowing your movement filling you with dread and slowly sucking away your life... are you even having fun

[cold berry]

I enjoy the Soulsborne swamps even so yes

[ornate saffron]

it ups the foot fetish as welll

[stone quiver]

I do have my Shrektory there, it's just, it was so painful to do conveyers under foundations. The game does not like you building while looking up. It prefers top down building

[pastel surge]

💀

[crude canyon]

Yeah but the floor is where I like to walk

[last bluff]

heya

I got stuck in a hole and somehow that led me to here

[dense violet]

build up or respawn

[last bluff]

well regarding the hole, I will just load a new save as that's less jank than those 2

I just found it funny, it reminded me of Roblox buggy landscapes

[regal trail]

so I haven't played in like a year and a half, maybe 2. whats the state of the story right now?

[solid grail]

the story is complete

[regal trail]

nice!

[ornate saffron]

1.2 annoucements are expected end of month

[ornate saffron]

there is vertical splitters and you can deconstruct crash sites

[dense violet]

there's also almost no story - most of it was axed for 1.0

[pastel surge]

Vertical splitter?

Interesting

[ornate saffron]

ya, when you use a covneyor lift. you can put a splitter or merger on the top or bottom.

But you can put it on the part in the center too. it turns it vertically

[pastel surge]

Nice

[ornate saffron]

#screenshots message

[pastel surge]

I thought the would have this sooner TBH

[ornate saffron]

its been a thing for a few months. 1.1

[pastel surge]

I didn't see myself using it though

But it's neat

I should probably make some blueprints

[solid grail]

it dropped with the 1.0 launch right?

[ornate saffron]

I"t works well for towers and large scale factories. you can run a low tier part like ingots along one wall and just pull of part or put on parts as needed. I use it in my rotor, stator, and motor factory inputs go up the east side and outputs the west

[ornate saffron]

1.1 i thought. but i could be wrong

[pastel surge]

That's what I was thinking

[jaunty jewel]

thats how i made my demonic creations #screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

combined with the infinite conveyor lift trick its really nice

[jaunty jewel]

turns out you can put splitters and mergers on floor holes (not sure if there needs to be a lift or not)

and yes its unmodded and no i didnt nudge anything

[ornate saffron]

Where we are going we dont need eyes to see

[whole robin]

is there just a random event where a jetpack randomly crashes into the ground from the sky????

[jaunty jewel]

probably a jetpack hog that did something stupid idk

[whole robin]

WHAT

My back was turned when it happened so i have no idea what the hell happened

[jaunty jewel]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Alpha_Hog#Jetpack_Hog

[ornate saffron]

there is a small chance that a hog with a jet pack will spawn

[solid grail]

they like to pull a kamikaze

[jaunty jewel]

im still yet to encounter one sadly

[ornate saffron]

same

[last bluff]

Herobrine aah sounding mechanic

[ornate saffron]

with a name like that i assume you go through lots of india ink

[whole robin]

i can't believe i encountered a shiny hog and i didn't even realize 😭

it just looked like a normal hog from where i was flying

[pastel surge]

Lol

[hazy topaz]

bro sharkie you’ve been in this chat all day istg

[rustic urchin]

How do I get the residual oil out of the refiners

[last bluff]

please excuse me if I missed a rule, and I hope this can be taken in good faith but

is the story and would the company FICSIT fall under late stage capitalism, or under state communism?

[glacial drum]

My 2700 RF plant died out and

Even after letting the gens fill fully.. I’ve added a loop from the start to the end now so hopefully they work

[solid grail]

pipe it into another refinery making petroleum coke

[rustic urchin]

So not much of a point since it’s less efficient than coal

[glacial drum]

Burn it or sink it.

[ornate saffron]

I think as ficsit as a gaint evil corp but this is a convo better for #story-spoilers

[last bluff]

oh whoops I did not expect that to be a spoiler at all (it being consistent from (pre-)Onboarding/tier 1 onwards)

sorry

[solid grail]

Think of it as 'free power' from your trash

[ornate saffron]

not saying it is at all. though these conversations easily go into spoilers ^_^ Im bad at remembering my own face let alone when something is revealed in a game ive played for 5 years lol

[rustic urchin]

Also why do my refiners keep pausing I can confirm they have power and oil however they keep stopping production on their own and I have to restart them

Correction they keep idling

[dense violet]

are their outputs full?

[ornate saffron]

are there outputs clearing?

[rustic urchin]

Yes of rubber and plastic those materials are being transported into crates

The residue no

[dense violet]

make sure you clear the residue in some way then

gotta manage both outputs

[rustic urchin]

Can I turn it into tickets?

[dense violet]

personally I turn the residue to coke and then sink it for points, yes

[stoic nebula]

is it just me, or do you get jumpscared when you think of building with pipes? /hj

[solid grail]

[dull nova]

Hey, I was looking for someone to play a mulitplayer world with, I find it fun to play with other ppl

[rustic urchin]

Unironically I prefer pipes over conveyers I struggle to organize them more

[ornate saffron]

have ytou tried #1201555265942724758

[dull nova]

Oh, thx

[last bluff]

conveyers > pipes because I fall off pipes more

[stoic nebula]

i have a playthrough to finish first.... if not that would be bad

[wise junco]

before I go to suggest this.... I'm curious if anyone has heard of it being suggested before

has anyone heard of anyone suggesting a "plug" for splitters, mergers?

my thinking is a cap/plug of some sort that would seal it off so you don't accidentally belt to it, as well as giving it a finished look

[ornate saffron]

isnt that just not using that output?

@unkempt vine looks sleek though

[wise junco]

right, but you could still belt to it by accident and it would still show whenever you're interacting with belts/lifts. the idea would be to remove it from being connected to as well as providing a finished look versus a hole

it would be mainly cosmetic but also QoL in some ways in bigger builds

[cold girder]

I just realized theres no way to connect the top of a vertical splitter to the bottom of another if they werent placed on the same conveyor lift to begin with, is this planned to be fixed?

I want to make blueprints with vertical splitters that I can stack but its a pain now

[ornate saffron]

ive never though of it tbh as i just dont us outputs. my playstyle is very slow and methodic

this is the cursed option

#screenshots message

[wise junco]

i absolutely love the cursed option

[dense violet]

I'm not sure that's something that can be fixed from what you're describing?
build a lift, have 2 vertical splitters on then same lift that connect to each other

solved

[cold girder]

yeah but my blueprints are hella compact and placing the splitters after is a pain.

I guess I can find a workaroudn

I was hoping theyd be fixing it

[dense violet]

that sounds like a problem solving design challenge - but from how you worded it you just need to build vertical splitters so they line up with each other? which building them on the same lift is just the solution to make sure it's lined up

[surreal ingot]

i needed refineries
#screenshots message

[gloomy tusk]

What the fuck are you making with that many

[surreal ingot]

ima dm you the link

its gonna be chat flood if i dont

[gloomy tusk]

Nah bud I don’t know if I wanna click on a link from a stranger

[cold girder]

my splitters are like pressed up against the wall socket I want to use, so its complicated, ill figure it out

[surreal ingot]

its the scim website

[gloomy tusk]

Probably going to dox me fr

[surreal ingot]

for planning facotry

[surreal ingot]

one minute

540 concrete
825 turbofuel
6.66 ai lim
10 hsc
12.5 sam fluc
10 comp
25 packaged turbo fuel
1 gas filter
5 iron rebar
5 explosive rebar
5 rifle ammo
10 homing rifle ammo
5 nobelisks
5 cluster nobelisks

all the refineries are done but i still have other things left

[gloomy tusk]

Only 825 turbo fuel?

[surreal ingot]

just because i had extra things

i alr have a 60k fuel plant

[ornate saffron]

AND A PARTRADGE IN A PEAR TREEEEEEE 🎄 '

[surreal ingot]

its just cool to have my anumitions factory make more power than it uses

(ammunitions/some other items)

[gloomy tusk]

Like 60k mw?

[surreal ingot]

yea

[ornate saffron]

60gw

[surreal ingot]

just using diluted fuel because its easier than getting things for turbofuel there

[gloomy tusk]

I am setting up a 220gw rocket fuel

[ornate saffron]

so one pure node?>

[surreal ingot]

plus im in phase 3 so i dont have nucelar power yet

[gloomy tusk]

2

[ornate saffron]

nitro rocket fuel?

[surreal ingot]

im exited to automate 10 HMF per minute tho! (gonna make infastructure for 15 but i cant use until mk5 belts)

[last bluff]

what is nuclear power for? don't you have a crafting bench?

[ornate saffron]

HOR, Diluted fuel then nitro?

[gloomy tusk]

No?

[surreal ingot]

NUCLEAR WASTE!

[gloomy tusk]

Just Sulfur coal fuel

And nitrogen

[ornate saffron]

if you use those recipies youll get close to 200gw per pure oil node

[last bluff]

wake me up when the dev adds the Fat Man in a Fallout collab

[ornate saffron]

#screenshots message

[leaden turret]

looks at nuka nuke grenade nuke nobelisk and MIRV ammo cluster bomb

[leaden turret]

@turbid tangle who do we have to bribe to get vault-tec legally-distinct underground shelter parts for Satisfactory?

[last bluff]

imagine walking into a crash site that looks like a small town, the thingy's door stating "this handle can be blown off by activating the nuke in the middle"

you may get negative karma doing so

[leaden turret]

"opening this crash site will trigger a silent countdown to nuclear self-destruct"

[last bluff]

YES even better!

honestly, now I wish Fallout did that

oh you want some rare weapon? it's under the debris, oh it's actually the only thing holding the nuke from going off

at least there'd be somewhat of a "reason" to kill the people other than just evil villian

[peak heron]

heyo, is there a easy way for people to play multiplayer through epic games and steam? me and my friend are trying and struggling lmao

[last bluff]

ah TIL I forgot to actually do research

[leaden turret]

mod out the mew with zetan nyargh

[ornate saffron]

im a solo gamer for satisfactory.... does the in steam invite through chat option work?

[ornate saffron]

I can see in the New game settings when you hit multiplayer you can choose the steam option

then choose open to all friends or invite only

[leaden turret]

-#

-# solo leveling anime, but satisfactory.

-# solo factorying

[peak heron]

i think we figured it out its because she hasnt added me on epic lmao

[ornate saffron]

cool cool. GL have fun

[leaden turret]

-# penalty quest, build factory producing 1 million screws

[pastel surge]

Is the compacted coal use for anything else later in that setup

[tidal dock]

I found enough Computer parts to build an Alien Power Augmenter and I see it has an input but doesn't need it to function so what is the input for?

[ornate saffron]

depends on what you want gotta check my spread sheet for numbers but im making a boat load of steel

[ornate saffron]

1600 steel/min

[ionic tundra]

so uhh, starter base is fully build aside from rotors, I'm going to start dumping 50% of all iron production into a sink to start them tokens going

[pastel surge]

Nice

[pastel surge]

Nice

I mean, good idea, I didnt do any of that

[ornate saffron]

ibve gotten the nitro rocketfuel setup down to 2 blueprints one for the production and one for fuel generators

[pastel surge]

Thats not to bad tbh

[pastel surge]

Gimme the blueprints when your done

[ornate saffron]

did you build iron Via a number you pulled from the void. Or is it a long though out multi factory plan

[ionic tundra]

Just a 120 node starter factory

[nocturne nebula]

thats a lotta nodes!

[ionic tundra]

bruh

😭

[pastel surge]

Bro

Build more with that 120 node

[nocturne nebula]

yeah, time for advanced steel

[pastel surge]

You need plates, rods, screws, rotors, eventually stators, reinforced plates, steel,

And hopefully iron pipes eventually

[ionic tundra]

Yeah, separate node for Reinforced Iron Plates
that 120 node has screws, plates and screws
Rotor has its own 120 node too

[stone quiver]

If you belt it by accident ... delete it. Is accidental belts a thing?

[fickle locust]

I don't know how I feel about this new recipe for batteries

And by new I mean the default one rather than my beloved classic battery

[ornate saffron]

i think i prefer the defualt. But i just dont use batteries. Id rather use the sulfor for rocket fuel

[stone quiver]

What do you guys use tickets for once you buy statues? Only took a few days for statues... I feel like my factories running are just sort of artifacts of my progression haha

[nocturne nebula]

only a few days? 😮

you a speed runner?

[stone quiver]

I just have 16 AI/min dumping into a sink. It's just 1 phase 5 part. It doesn't take long if you didn't use tickets on parts etc

[ornate saffron]

i am a unintended speed runner. 7 completions in 1000 hours over 10 worlds

my latest save is 200 hours so im taking it slow

[weary shell]

man im so overwhlemed by phase 5

[ornate saffron]

break it up to smaller pieces. its less complex then phase 4 just bigger

[stone quiver]

Phase 5 isn't hard if you automated 4.

[weary shell]

I need more supercomputers 😭

[ornate saffron]

the easy fix is sloops

[weary shell]

truw

[nocturne nebula]

I'm an unintentional slow runneR! 😄

[hybrid nymph]

Hello people

[stone quiver]

Ya sloops are too strong

[ornate saffron]

im jealous. i feel like going slow is the better way

[hybrid nymph]

Sloops are busted except they multiply the power requirement by about 4-8 times

[nocturne nebula]

I had to teach myself to slow down so I can enjoy it again

[ornate saffron]

ya, thats the balance of them. use the for power generation or they use power

[hybrid nymph]

Except when making space elevator parts, computers, supercomputers, or other things like encased steel beams

[ornate saffron]

thats why this save is at 200 hours. im starting phase 3.

ive beaten the game in 75 hours lol

[hybrid nymph]

It's just a fact that's encased steel beams are difficult to make

You're at 200 hours and you just got to tier 8?

[nocturne nebula]

noice

[hybrid nymph]

I'm at 122 hours And I got to tier 8 at about 101

Of course I was taking my time and this is my fifth playthrough

[nocturne nebula]

I am rushing through a few milestones at the moment ... to get into logistics 3 and hyperboosters

then its factory upgrade time

[stone quiver]

Ya beating the game with sloops, ticket parts and semi-autoing elevator parts is not a long timeline

[nocturne nebula]

I have never actually finished the game... progressed past aluminium a few times

in the past would get overwhelmed ... partly why I have had to slow down

now I try to build my factories with perfect flow too so that its more interesting to do

rather than modular setups

[dense violet]

imo wait until you've unlocked everything and do your own projects for that, but if you need to to keep going? you do you 🙂

[stone quiver]

Modular setups are still perfect flow

[nocturne nebula]

I need easy travel between factories cos I forget things, lol

[stone quiver]

Modular just means you have standard units you can scale

[nocturne nebula]

well, I may have used the wrong terminology

[dense violet]

hyper tubes 😄

[stone quiver]

TUUUUBES

[nocturne nebula]

I wish I could start with them

[stone quiver]

I wish they were faster

[nocturne nebula]

but if I skip stages I lose the progression feeling then don't wanna play

[ornate saffron]

im okay with no tubes lol. they make me sick

[dense violet]

zip lines are very early and handy

[turbid tangle]

https://ficsit.app/mod/SciFi01

[soft marsh]

Belt is overloaded, trying to figure out how to help it but without rebuilding everything I'm not sure what to do

[nocturne nebula]

25 AI limiters to go!

[stone quiver]

How are you overloading it?

[soft marsh]

Too much output, half the machines are backed up because they cant output their items

[stone quiver]

If it's like a manifold production, splitter off some of the merged material

You can change a merger in the middle of the production line to a splitter, will allow stuff to pass, and give you throughput, just may add a bit of spaghetti

[soft marsh]

I couldn't do that without a rebuild, they're all pretty close together

[stone quiver]

Screenshot?

I do it with a splitter + a conveyer elevator and a conveyer to run parallel above my line

[soft marsh]

#screenshots message

Im in the middle of separating the two lines

[stone quiver]

Yeah all you have to do is halfway down your manifold... say it's left to right , change merger to splitter, and elevator up the flow

[soft marsh]

Yeah but the merger is below, the input is above, so I'd have to reroute all the input before I can do that

the output is under the input

[nocturne nebula]

manifold is exactly the word I was looking for earlier, lol

[ionic tundra]

in terms of foundation, how big is the space elevator, 11x11?

[weary shell]

Im 300 hours in and 250 of those are into my first save... havent even reached t8

probably even more

[stone quiver]

I'm just saying the concept works no matter how crowded . You can always put a hole or go vertical

[solid grail]

i think 10x10

[soft marsh]

In theory yeah, but I'm too close together to do it without a rebuild of parts lol if I go under, I mess with the input of the lane build below. If I go up, I mess with the input above. For now, I'm separated the lines out instead of merging the ends together. If that doesnt work, I'll split the machines in half and have half go one way and the other go the other and output that way

[ionic tundra]

7x7 if that

[warm finch]

Do a smart splitter on the end before a ISC and sink the overflow

[soft marsh]

Problem is there shouldn't be overflow. I used Satisfactory modeler so without those ingots I'm not making what I need to make

[warm finch]

I was 1k hours into my first save when 1.0 came out and broke it lol.

[soft marsh]

Im doing a light rebuild of it to see if I can squeeze in a down belt

[warm finch]

Then check all of your production numbers and make sure you're not exceeding the belt limit

[soft marsh]

Yeah I am, which is why I said I overloaded the belt lol

[rugged ore]

any way to use picture in picture videos without randomly clicking out of the game onto them

[ornate saffron]

I feel like #off-topic-tech maybe able to help

[rugged ore]

was wondering if there was a setting/mod to fix the window mode to not click off
thats a satisfactory thing i think

[ornate saffron]

i know of nothing native to satisfactory for picture and picture

[copper zinc]

Any tips to prevent this? #screenshots message

Trains getting stuck at intersection. I have path on right side (going into the 3way) and block on the left side (coming out of the 3way)

[neon forge]

jesus christ i just burned like 12 hours straight already on a new run, forgot how terrifyingly effective at sucking away time this game was

[solid grail]

[neon forge]

nvm as the handy tooltip just showed me i'm at 14 hours straight

[ornate saffron]

stretch water and sleep are important

[solid grail]

14 hours straight?!

[ornate saffron]

lack of these things reduce efficacy

[solid grail]

Are you oké 😂

[neon forge]

i badly need sleep and probably to stretch my legs but could be worse

[solid grail]

🤣 and your sanity?

[neon forge]

never existed to begin with

[ornate saffron]

easy to break norms when you dont know what is normal lol

[neon forge]

these days the very concept of normality went right out the window

[solid grail]

True

[ornate saffron]

@neon forge

Reminds me of my first steel factory

#screenshots message

[neon forge]

it houses production of:
-wire
-cable
-copper sheets
-iron plates and rods
-screws
-reinforced plates
-rotors

used to house my biomass where the rotor and reinforced plate line is but that got ripped down when i moved to coal power

[ornate saffron]

looks like @ionic tundra is trying to compete

#screenshots message

[ionic tundra]

lmfao
check that

how did you get it so compact?

Overclocking?

[ornate saffron]

SAtisfactory is on sale right now via Humble bundle

[neon forge]

the only bit i'm overclocking is the copper section, but tbf my production rate of rotors and reinforced plates is slow, especially rotors

[ionic tundra]

how many?

[neon forge]

5 reinforced plates per minute and 2.4 rotors per minute

[ionic tundra]

ahh yikes
im at 10 for each but my current setup is absolutely massive
i want to compact it all down, overclock with the better belts and miners to get like 20 a minute with a smaller factory

[neon forge]

i'll try to make the rate better eventually but for now i need modular frame production and a steel factory

[swift turret]

if you have mk2 belts you should be able to get 100%

[fickle locust]

Alright turbo fuel factory, you've served me well, but you have been reconstituted into a battery and liquid biofuel factory

[median geyser]

I heard there was a new game mode coming, is there a news post somewhere?

[swift turret]

google it

[ornate saffron]

no detials

[neon forge]

screws of all things are my bottleneck for making the rotor assembler work at 100% LOL

[fickle locust]

Biofuel with sloops is actually very exciting for my plans on the next playthrough of powering the entire game with geothermal and sustainably-harvested energy resources

[swift turret]

yeah 2 constructors about 30 rods or 3 if you can manage can fit into 4 screw constructors. 60 goes to RIPs, 100 goes to rotors

[ornate saffron]

since nodes are infinite in this game isnt every option sustanable

[unkempt blade]

biofuel might be least-sustainable by definition

[fickle locust]

Sure but I feel like the no coal no oil power will make for a different experience and an interesting constraint

[unkempt blade]

sustainable fuel fun

[swift turret]

ionized fuel my beloved

[ornate saffron]

i gotcha, Bio coal slooping is pretty powerful. you can sloop every step making one hog remains be very power dense

[fickle locust]

Yeah I knew this theoretically and I'm learning it legitimately. I won't have turbo fuel anymore so I need a new jetpack fuel and whoo boy is this a lot

[ionic tundra]

Jesus christ, 8 hour session and I went from absolutely nothing to Phase 1 complete, just waiting on the smart plating to manufacture

[unkempt blade]

nah that's also sustainable once you hit T9

[ornate saffron]

youll need batteries later on. you are not the first person i lnopw to do this kind of run ^_^

[swift turret]

I know its just takes such a long time to get there if you dont rush

[fickle locust]

That was always an intention

[swift turret]

Unless you're like me and sacrafice hundreds of powershards 👀

[exotic idol]

i'm right now at the space elevator top part

in that right damn minute

it's beautiful there.

[ornate saffron]

becareful up there. i hear there is space ghosts

[exotic idol]

woh oh

ok buddy i'm aware of this now

[pastel surge]

Do yall watch imkibitz

[ornate saffron]

I hear they curse you with this

#screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

i know of it. but i dont watch

[exotic idol]

lol my friend is staring at me on top of my house building like DETG in ending cutscene

https://tenor.com/view/shucks-aw-shucks-aw-shucks-fnf-dbtg-detg-gif-12362914563005357467

aw shucks, no gifs for today

[narrow wraith]

I've loaded a Kibitz save before and my machine really struggled with it, and it's not a low end machine -- RTX 4070, Ryzen 7900X, 64GB of RAM. So, is the bottleneck probably the CPU or GPU? Is Kibitz running a server grade GPU?

[supple rain]

what if
60/m warp drive factory

[unkempt blade]

amd and nvidia should both have software that'd let you see how much of your hardware you're using. I'd guess it's your GPU more than your CPU. There's a pretty huge gap between the 70 tier and like the 90 tier even before you get into some crazy non-consumer hardware

[dense violet]

doable https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Qrel9AuxFgstyp21KTjz

looks like you can do 73 w/o slooping

[supple rain]

wait do power shards have a positive dark matter resiue result

[fickle locust]

Tbh it's probably a little of both. Not that your components are low end by any means, but your CPU is one generation old and isn't one of the x3ds which improve performance in memory-intensive games, and your GPU is both one generation old and was the third-best Nvidia card in that generation

[supple rain]

holy heck they do
very good to know

[dense violet]

they shouldn't

[fickle locust]

That normally shouldn't matter, but if you load a Kibitz save that pushes things to the absolute limit, then it'll reveal the difference between a 7900x/4070 and a 9800x3d/5090

[acoustic bear]

GPU doesn't matter on the high end in this game tbh

it's all CPU

[supple rain]

they do
I am looking at it in satisfactory modeler

if you use dark matter trap you can get an extra 35/m out of a closed loop

[acoustic bear]

and I recently made the jump from a 7900x to a 9800X3d myself, both with a 7900XTX

[dense violet]

ah that recipe chain, there is waste yes. Basically just extra DMR that you don't use. You don't get free DMR, just waste

hmm wait that's weird

[unkempt blade]

depends if you're talking tick rate/save time or rendering a very large factory

[supple rain]

it's free DMR if you're maximizing nuclear

[acoustic bear]

rendering it is still not that complex on the GPU

[dense violet]

I guess, but that's a shit ton of resources for VERY little DMR you make

[acoustic bear]

any FPS issues/stutters will be CPU related

[supple rain]

the main alternative I know of is quantum superposition oscilators, which give an extra 50/m instead of 35/m

[dense violet]

you gotta look at the inputs vers outputs though - just mentioning how much pm you get isn't useful

[dense violet]

for example, this chain is 200 crystal + 1200 coal pm for 20 dmr pm https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=udWdnsS3QgJYrXLLw36P

which means that's teh same as 10 Reanimated SAM per min = 1200 coal + 200 crystal pm

if you're getting your MAIN dmr from SAM

that's a crazy conversion

[supple rain]

that is looking t inputs and outputs

the loop produces 50/m and 35/m extra respectively

[dense violet]

I mean of the resources you need to produce that excess

[supple rain]

neural quantum processors pduce dmr as a byproduct too, and you get slightly more than if you do straight sam to dmr

[dense violet]

EG like the link I shared

[supple rain]

that's using the normal recipe for the dark matter crystal though

[cold berry]

I just made my first reinforced iron sheet factory

[supple rain]

lemme post what I mean in screenshots

[dense violet]

ok I'm using the other DMC recipe here and there's no excess DMR https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=xziM8Gdq0zhVy1DspYPz

[dense violet]

yeah modeler images are near useless, there's zero labling on them

[supple rain]

wdym useless

[dense violet]

" there's zero labling on them" it's probalby ok for the person who physically step by step made them, but they suck ass to pass information along

I linked to you the other recipe for DMCs just above though, no Excess DMR on it though

making power shards*

I could try dark matter trap I guess

[supple rain]

dark matter trap is the one I was talking about since the start and I even said that

[dense violet]

ok so this one you get

70 DMR pm = 1200 coal + 200 quartz https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9rYO9i58nb6tboBbSvZf

still a shockingly bad return

You could shrink that with Pure crystal a bit I guess?

[torn lynx]

is there anyway to dump oil residue in the water?

[supple rain]

there is not

[dense violet]

process it into a solid and sink it

[torn lynx]

sink ?

[supple rain]

the AWESOME sink

[torn lynx]

WHAT DO YOU MENA I CANT POLUTE THE PLANET>?

[unkempt blade]

Yes, convert it to petro coal and sink it 🙂

[supple rain]

the point in the loop of that is to get DMR without using SAM, since SAM is the limiting resource

[hollow hemlock]

you can, you dont think all the noxious gases coming out of refineries and such are clean do you

[dense violet]

I mean sure but it's almost nothing in comparison to what you're using

[supple rain]

refine it into petroleum coke and burn it in a coal generator to release fumes

[dense violet]

it's like squeezing an orange but only getting 1 drop of juice

[supple rain]

I'm not talking about using this as the primary source for DMR, I'm just saying this is a good supplemental way to get a little bit more, while getting extra power shards or whatever while you're at it

for when SAM is too tight

[mortal belfry]

is there a way to let trains unload only half of the items in the item freight and half of the liquid in the liquid freight?

[dense violet]

once the train manifold fills up it'll do that on it's own

so if you're only using 1/2 at that stop it'll only top it off when it drops the products off

[mortal belfry]

ok thanks alot

[dense violet]

a good way to speed that up is to have the machines at the stops be off until all the buffers are full

[unkempt blade]

If you're meaning for this to run fulltime I'd keep in mind that you can't sink shards so make sure you're also planning to get rid of them some other way before they fill up or you won't get that extra DMR

[sinful sparrow]

Dude I spend 5 hours making a factory that produces 4 heavy frames/min

[dense violet]

that's how it goes the first time 🙂

[sinful sparrow]

I can’t imaging how long future thing will take bro 😭

[unkempt blade]

Nice! How many factory carts does it us?

[dense violet]

you get faster as you go

[sinful sparrow]

0 😔

[dense violet]

there's also alt recipes that can simplify and / or reduce the resources and machines you need

[sinful sparrow]

Hopefully. It was my first time using the modeler too

[unkempt blade]

Hey that's ok. Just means there's room to improve next factory 😄

[dense violet]

try this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=qEdPC0ZNa4HYpSQaHk3d

I made it literally in the time you last msged

so 3 seconds?

[sinful sparrow]

Bro what that’s insane

Dude u just put me on so hard thank you

[dense violet]

btw here's a few changes I made in about 15 seconds to cut resource cost by 1/2 and reduce the machiens https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=TNMTfccJj8RDW1MPqsnL

now mind you, I know how to use the website and I know my recipes so you'll take longer at first, but it's very fast and worth learning how to use it

compare the two plans on what resources they use 🙂 you'll be pleasantly surprised

[sinful sparrow]

100% bro that’s ridiculous

It cut the iron by 30%??

That’s crazy

[dense violet]

cut iron by 75% about

cut coal and limestone by 50%

[sinful sparrow]

Oh yeah ur right

Maybe that’s why the factory took me five hours to build 😂

[unkempt blade]

but it doesn't use screws so it's literally unusable

[dense violet]

well sometimes resource savings means a lot fewer buildings too.

But oftentimes recipes that are more resource efficient require more processings

[sinful sparrow]

Ok I see. Trade offs.

[dense violet]

yeah , that's why there's no best recipe for anything

[sinful sparrow]

Except cast screws

[dense violet]

how valuable a recipe is totally dependent on what you're trying to do , where , and how much

[dense violet]

nope 🙂

[sinful sparrow]

I see

[dense violet]

because you can use Steel Rods + Screws and save resources

[unkempt blade]

I can tell you're good people

[dense violet]

so there IS a benefit to the base recipe

[dense violet]

Also Steel Screws exist if you like compact systems

[sinful sparrow]

Oh I had no clue

[dense violet]

Steel Screws uses a bit more resources but spits out screws like crazy

so it really depends what you're aiming for

[sinful sparrow]

That many screws is like my worst nightmare

[dense violet]

no no , don't get srew trauma

it's common because people don't know how to manage them early on. What you do is you make the screws right before they are used. That way you only have to move the ingots or beams

[sinful sparrow]

🤯

[dense violet]

this makes like 800 screws pm and uses them right afterwards https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1425811234363801732/1425812876182163496/image.png?ex=69925bf8&is=69910a78&hm=0eba6a67d133bade534891f0a1945917c211e897b92827586e619b9f059f6d6b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[sinful sparrow]

That’s actually so smart

[dense violet]

you learn a lot about managing logistics and planning in this game 🙂

[sinful sparrow]

That machine looks wonderful

[dense violet]

thanks! it makes 10.6 frames pm

[sinful sparrow]

Ok wait. That doesn’t sound like a ton but it seems really good compared to its volume and tile-ability. Is that correct?

No wait 10 is a lot

[dense violet]

pretty much!

this little unit of machines get fed 36.6 parts per min, mix of Steel Ingots, plastic, Steel beams to make 10.6 frames

and yeah 10.6 frames pm is a fair chunkd :d

[sinful sparrow]

There’s levels to this…

[warm finch]

Can confirm

[dense violet]

Lots of Alt recipes being combined 🙂

[warm finch]

You have no idea....

[dense violet]

I used Bolted Plates (reinforced plates + lots of screws) + Bolted Frames to make it that compact

SO many screws. But used immediately

[sinful sparrow]

Do you have any recommendations about what I should automate next? I’m heading into tier 7 so I’ll be working with aluminum soon.

I was thinking about getting all the Mercer spheres to max my depo upgrade tree and then making tiny factories so I never run out of building materials

[dense violet]

look at your milestones as a guide post 🙂 the tiers are basically a good tutorial. So your first Aluminium refinery is probably your next step

[sinful sparrow]

Sweet thank you

[dense violet]

There are Alt recipes that simplify Aluminium ingots too which you might find handy so get lots of hard drives after you have it unlocked

[unkempt blade]

The elevator packages usually do a pretty good job at pushing you to automate anything you missed earlier in those tiers

[unborn nova]

what are radar towers useful for?

[dense violet]

showing resource nodes on the map iirc

[unkempt blade]

Reveal map + show nodes on the map and other info

[unborn nova]

gotcha

[sinful sparrow]

Awesome I will.

I have 3 drives I’ve been holding and like 15 unclaimed ones in the mam. Should I reroll the crap ones or leave them because they’re like a placeholder for the “bad” recipes

[dense violet]

if you're hunting for those aluminium recipes? sure. But you'd need it unlocked first before the rescan can hit them

[sinful sparrow]

Ok ok

[dense violet]

honestly though, it's really worth while getting every recipe in the game

each of them just give you options

[sinful sparrow]

That’s possible?

There’s enough drives?

[dense violet]

there's basically no content you can lock yourself out of in the game

[fickle locust]

I have a single drone port (SAM Hub). I want to make a network of drones around the map at SAM ore sites, turn it into reanimated SAM, and drone all of it to this central location. Since I'm going to be setting up at remote stations, I'd like this port to be the fuel spot as well as the SAM spot. Therefore I have this port's drone going to the refueling station (Battery Fillup). I have a smart splitter taking the batteries from cargo back into fuel, and the SAM going off to the production lines. However I'm realizing this could eventually fill up with batteries--but the alternative is sinking overflow, which would be wasting batteries. Is there a better way to do this on a single port?

[sinful sparrow]

Huh ok that’s good to know. Thank you bro you’ve been a huge help

[dense violet]

unless you really try, like tossing all the mercer spheres and sloops into the void

[unkempt blade]

hold my beer, I'm going to delete my hub then jump into the void holding the box to build it

[sinful sparrow]

The sink yearns for your batteries

[dense violet]

Sorry I'm a little confused at your description

if you have all your drones dropping off SAM to one spot, just have 1 Fuel drone drop off fuel

it'll stop fetching batteries when the fuel buffer is full

[fickle locust]

It will? Thus far it keeps coming back

I'm used to setting this up with two ports, one a fuel fetch port and having that link to the actual product port

[dense violet]

drones don't take off again until they can drop off their entire load - so once your fuel is full, it'll stop there.
if you're sinking your fuel though it'll of course keep going

[finite mirage]

I lost my satisfactory save once again, total lost hours 50+70= 120

[dense violet]

I avoid all cloud saves personally :\

[unkempt blade]

if you want a sink you'd place it at the battery factory not at the drones pulling batteries from that factory

[finite mirage]

I wanted to start anew anyway, any tips?

[gloomy tusk]

how?

[dense violet]

honestly starting fresh imo gives you practice perfecting the basics - maybe choose a new starting location to make it feel abit fresh?

[gloomy tusk]

i only use cloud saves

[dense violet]

brave

I back up all my factory saves regularly on a different drive

[gloomy tusk]

almost 400 hour world all on a cloud save

[stoic nebula]

so i noticed the augmenter has an input spot.... what goes in?

[gloomy tusk]

part 5 parts

[dense violet]

!wikisearch power_augmenter

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=power_augmenter

[gloomy tusk]

index is incorrect

[finite mirage]

Windows reinstall

[finite mirage]

Best starting location for semi experienced player?

[gloomy tusk]

dune desert

idek if thats the correct name

[fickle locust]

The issue is the fuel is mixed in with the product I'm picking up. I think this just doesn't work with a single port

And I'm going to be taxed in sunk batteries

[dense violet]

depends on what you mean by 'best'

northern forest has close nodes but makes you build upwards?

[dense violet]

yeah you need a dedicated refueling drone and drone port

makes life much simpler

[stoic nebula]

ty

[fickle locust]

That's how I usually do it, but the space is kind of constrained and it looks nicer with one drone... I'll see how much I'm willing to pay in taxes for that

[stoic nebula]

ty

[unborn nova]

is the cyber wagon still in the game?

[dense violet]

yeah any time you're doing a sushi vehicle you've gotta have the over flow sink which will really chew up parts pm . Up to you what you're willing to give up. Can alwasy have a port a ltitle way off and just a belt of fuel coming in?

[unborn nova]

im not seeing it in the awesome shop

[fickle locust]

There's room somewhere if I need

[hazy topaz]

is it possible to fill the gap when placing a wall on a foundation because when I try it isnt alligned

[unkempt blade]

• At the battery factory you have a drone port for the batteries to ship around. Don't assign a drone to it
• At each factory with one or more drone port you have a drone port per output item. You additionally have an extra drone port to pull batteries. Assign a drone for the battery puller port that pulls from the battery factory
• Have each of the battery pullers stick batteries in the other ports at those factories

[whole robin]

should i have a alien power augmenter just for the flex of having one around?

and also for the fact that i don't use sloops that often

[unborn nova]

nvm i got it

[unkempt blade]

It's a power boost that doesn't need material input. Just decide if you value that more or double production at the expense of higher power cost

Slooping the final stage of stuff like spaceship parts is usually worth it though

[dense violet]

eh if you want
I don't find the duping mechanics interesting

[whole robin]

i mean i already am at 12k mw so it would be a sizeable increase in power

[dense violet]

up to you. I just make more power Shrug

You'll probably need a good chunk more anyway. I do phase 5 at 30gw, but that's fairly low compared to most

[whole robin]

yeah, and i would, but i am right at the border of finishing phase 3, i just have to centralise some production to make heavy modular frames for adaptive core units

[unkempt blade]

my most recent playthrough finished P5 at like just shy of 300GW

[whole robin]

and i want to wait to expand power til i get rocket fuel so it's all in one go

[dense violet]

Yeah , lots of choices 🙂
Could do a nice diluted fuel set up to make you another 25gw pretty easily?

[unkempt blade]

but we were slooping and overclocking pretty aggressively so power efficiency wasn't really the goal

[dense violet]

I'd just go nuclear - 100 nuclear gens instead of 1000 fuel for decent power

[pastel surge]

My game just crashed randomly but saved like normal, is that supposed to happen

[night sail]

I just added one more fuel power plant and now I am producing 9.2gw of power and somehow I feel it's still not enough

[pastel surge]

Bro my graph is so up and down

I think I messed smth up

[night sail]

Mine too I can't wait to get to nuclear power I need more power

[acoustic bear]

that's smart. I was about to setup a drone network with a battery push service but pulling the batteries makes way more sense

[pastel surge]

I have nuclear

[night sail]

Ooh I haven't even started making phase 3 space elevator parts yet

[pastel surge]

A third of a my world grid usage is my particle accelerator making nuclear pasta

[night sail]

How much is your max production?

[pastel surge]

My max is uhh

50MW or so