satisfactory

[reef basin]

you use sloops for APA

[hidden pebble]

What's APA tho?

[reef basin]

alien power amplifier

[sterile blade]

*Augmenter

[toxic lichen]

theres an upgrade

[reef basin]

yeah, I just woke up, thanks. That ^

[hidden pebble]

Does it also assume feeding them the matrices for the 30% boost?

[toxic lichen]

the 30% stack right?

but
is it additive or multiplicative

[reef basin]

yeah

[sterile blade]

Additive

[toxic lichen]

so
130 - 160 - 190

[sterile blade]

30-60-90%...

[toxic lichen]

yea
im js assuming for the 100 being base power already

[wispy osprey]

Is it also assuming plutonium -> ficsonium fuel?

[winged herald]

when you need more coal, then more iron, then more coal, then more iron

[wispy osprey]

I only know that's a way to deal with the waste, but some people say they craft and sink it

[sterile blade]

Ficsonium's power output is a pittance compared to the rest of the process and how much resources it takes, so few actually go through the trouble of making and using it

[junior jolt]

charcoal os ammo? is that what uou were saying greeny?

[wispy osprey]

Is it worse than storing plutonium waste

[sterile blade]

There's also the fact that Uranium power is often plenty enough for a player, making Plutonium not all that appealing when factoring in waste-handling

[reef basin]

afaik not, but I don't remember it exactly

[sterile blade]

That's highly subjective xD

[reef basin]

charcoal for ammo factories

[swift turret]

bro fix your autocorrect

[floral trellis]

if youre going for highest power production, youll want the ficsonium reactors too

[junior jolt]

i turned autocorrect off

[winged herald]

turn it back on lol

[swift turret]

turn it on and keep it on. Yknow just let ai talk for you, you're done

[junior jolt]

oh i think i get that

[wispy osprey]

The recipe for fuel rods is quite the doozie, I see why people stop at uranium waste recycling

[floral trellis]

hm, could be useful for an in field top up of ammo. tap a sulfur rock somewhere, make some coal etc

[sterile blade]

I'm fairly sure that max power plans cut down on Ficsonium in favor for other more profitable power sources...
Eg: one can probably get more power using the SAM needed for Ficsonium to make more Uranium instead via Ore conversion and get power out of that (or oil or whatever is most convenient given resources left-over from normal nuclear)

[floral trellis]

you might be correct, i forgot about conversion

[reef basin]

that as well, yeah

[floral trellis]

then just store your plutonium waste below the map or so, and bask in the floor heating

[sterile blade]

Ficsonium makes just too little power to be able to compete well...
Even ore conversion can "beat it"

[wispy osprey]

New global floor heating :D

(Note that you won't live very long out of a suit)

[floral trellis]

speaking of suits. how the hell do we chow on bacon mushrooms or sip coffee

[wispy osprey]

We stare at it hard enough

Idk though, it's game shenanigans

[crystal cedar]

We suck it as part of our breathing holw thingy

[floral trellis]

an atmos suit like we use would not be in contact with the air directly, ever

pretty sure one of ADAs voicelines tells the atmosphere or the water isnt suited for humans

[wispy osprey]

Pioneer always has a helmet on

[wispy osprey]

The water line is more of a joke from Ada, air i don't remember

[crystal cedar]

We filter the nutrients in ig

[floral trellis]

ADA wouldnt do that to her favorite pioneer

[wispy osprey]

Fun little fact, Ada comments that it's too hot in a region of desert if you launch yourself or take the time to travel

(Out of map limits)

[crystal cedar]

Where exactly

[golden flint]

Hello All, I am at the "Spaghetti Station" it as the effect of rendering me unable to continue, "always makes me feel sick to log in", lol!

[wispy osprey]

It's a region of out of bounds that appears to be desert

[crystal cedar]

can i lgio my way there?(Hypertubes)

[wispy osprey]

Yeah you can cannon yourself there, just keep inventory on death

[floral trellis]

if spaghetti belts get the better of you. just mass delete all of them, toss the contents into a box to a sink, and rewire all the belts (forget where 70% of them went as part of the process)

[wispy osprey]

Idk what happens to your inventory if you die out of bounds

[floral trellis]

ill do this anyway, as i despise death runs.

[wispy osprey]

If you drive a vehicle out of bounds it falls forever

[floral trellis]

i dont use it to respawn at hub, but when i die, my stuff is coming with

[crystal cedar]

Anything is ok as long as there isn't a death crate that I can never reach

[wispy osprey]

Why don't people just put nuke waste in truck storage and drive it off a cliff into a bottomless pit?

[floral trellis]

lizarddoggos should just die and despawn (the lgio way)

[vapid zinc]

Small drone question... Right now, whenever a drone needs to pickup an item from somewhere I also build a rocket fuel drone port to fuel these other ports. Is this required, or will they just refuel wherever they go to pick things up ?

[wispy osprey]

Unless you can't store waste in vehicles?

Forgot what wiki said

[dense violet]

you only need fuel at one of the 2 ports

[floral trellis]

sure you can. but like you said, vehicles do not despawn

[vapid zinc]

Thanks!

[floral trellis]

so, if you toss lots of vehicles into the Pit, lag ensues

[wispy osprey]

While they can fall for basically forever they'll still remain in memory

Yep

[wispy osprey]

Not into the pit, it lags!

[sterile blade]

May be not visible, but it will never be forgotten

[dense violet]

it's often easier this way to design your logistics so that there's spots that share multiple drone ports - that way it's simpler to refuel.
but it's also not a huge issue having a ton of independent drone routes

[floral trellis]

• ADA will remember that

[wispy osprey]

Makes me wish vehicles could unload from memory given enough fall time

But that will be quickly taken advantage of

Similar to doggos despawning

[sterile blade]

Does ADA ever do pull something like that?
That'd be a fun meme to add too (I'm thinking of the VLDL version)

[floral trellis]

honestly, thats the kinda advantage taking id allow the players, as the honourable ones wouldnt, and the bad ones wouldnt lag the server

[wispy osprey]

Yes, and I've mistakenly driven a vehicle into the void before

Losing the vehicle forever

I reloaded the save so it wouldn't stay on the map forever

[floral trellis]

or you just teleport an out of bounds vehicle 500 meters above the middle of the map

problem solved!

[sterile blade]

I can already imagine players making giant ramps up to the sky with an autopilot route so they can just spawn a truck, set it on autopilot and have it load Waste to bring to the sky-drop

[wispy osprey]

Or to it's last solid ground

A ton of games do this

[floral trellis]

Ficsit Vehicle Recovery Service!

no, just dumping from the sky is funnier

[wispy osprey]

How would you save the autopilot without an end route

It 100% would be a manual process

You exit the vehicle so it doesn't take you with it

[sterile blade]

Just make it end back at the bottom. So long as the fall is long enough, it might trigger the "fall-deletion" thing...?

[wispy osprey]

Vehicles past a certain distance follow the proper autopilot route

Even if there's no road ahead

[sterile blade]

Tbf, this could easily all be nullified by the fact that the vehicle is in "autopilot", so it could just gosht its way to the bottom xD

Well, it was fun to fantasize xD

[wispy osprey]

For now though we have the pesky non despawn problem lol

I agree this would assist multiplayer servers too

[sterile blade]

Just find a way to fit a loaded truck in the toilet

[wispy osprey]

[sterile blade]

Does anyone remember that incident where a French guy clogged the local sewage system with Orbeez?
I was just thinking how fun it'd be to replace the guy with a Pioneer and the Orbeez (overflowing from the sewers) with Waste barrels, to make a meme of Pioneers trying to flush Waste away
||It's just a bit too much editing effort for me 😅||

[marble matrix]

when will the dev of this game create a new game?

[reef basin]

who knows lol

given that currently their team is busy with SF, I'd say unlikely in near future

[silk rose]

Its their only game not counting goat sim cuz it was planned as April fools game

[silk rose]

SF is shadow fiend

[deep sapphire]

s

[reef basin]

it's not their only game

[silk rose]

What else

[reef basin]

Sanctum (3 games)

[silk rose]

Oh i forgot

[reef basin]

also this platformer https://www.indiedb.com/games/i-love-strawberries

[jaunty vault]

37.5 motors per minute done

[reef basin]

that sounds a bit excessive 🤔

[jaunty vault]

Its all for the project part

😁

[reef basin]

ah, fair

[jaunty vault]

Only a tiny bit of spaghetti

[crystal cedar]

tiny

[floral trellis]

fun fact, you can do motors out of nothing but iron. yay for alts

[reef basin]

nothing but a lot of iron 😄

[floral trellis]

thats what bleached iron is for right

[reef basin]

it's leached 😉 not bleached 😄

[floral trellis]

ah, shoot.

well, shows how much i love that recipe

[zenith pecan]

Aw, so no chlorine!

[normal sequoia]

I just unlocked the step 5/6

[glacial drum]

All that’s left for me to get is 256 ai expansion servers and 200 BWD before I finish phase 5

Maybe I can finish off the game without expanding my power huh..

[mild moss]

So I downloaded satisfactory on the steam deck after looking at the latest vid I got really crappy frames and shadows even after resetting the preset

Any suggestions

[hidden pebble]

Spending sulfur for iron? Atrocious!

[wary helm]

Hey everyone, quick question does anyone know if today Coffee Stin Studios will drop the video that they were discussing in the livestream 2 days ago? Or was it the video that they dropped yesterday the 4 minute one?

[zenith pecan]

My colleague plays on a steam deck, I can try asking him when he gets back, we're working on fixing a teleconference system atm so please bear with me.

[floral trellis]

see, i nominated that recipe as one of the least useful ingame

[unkempt blade]

it's certainly not as good as cast screws which is obviously the best alt recipe in the game

[glacial drum]

There’s a bear with you? Be careful.

[floral trellis]

if you really need the iron, just use pure iron

[steel spoke]

It might be that way for the first time running as the game warms up all the shaders

[dense violet]

I assumed they added all the sulfur recipes to 'sink' waste sulfuric acid

[zenith pecan]

Discord from work haha.

[dense violet]

some people just really hate reusing byproduct waste in the same system

[floral trellis]

i prefer steel screws tbh.

i fear no screws, they are a product like many others

[glacial drum]

Tbh screws are only much a problem early game with slow belt speeds.. atleast imo.

[floral trellis]

cast screws is nice tho, skipping rods

[unkempt blade]

that's like 5th best after cast screws, biocoal, steamed copper sheets, and iron pipes

[floral trellis]

of those i only question biocoal

[unkempt blade]

best alt-coal recipe in the game!

[floral trellis]

steamed copper and iron pipe are great

[dense violet]

pigs -> uranium rod

bio coal is god

[dense violet]

...iron... pipe...

[floral trellis]

ah, the sloop it till it breaks the universe

[unkempt blade]

Top 5 is still pretty good though. Steel screws should be proud

[dense violet]

only really need to sloop the biomass steps. You can get a surprising number of uranium rods from 1 pig

[floral trellis]

i guess, but manually inputting my monster remains into the box to process isnt that reliable for me, i want my factorys to continue after im dead!

[unkempt blade]

better get some friends then so they can harvest pigs too

[mild moss]

hmm interesting ill give it a longer go tmr

[floral trellis]

this is called slavery. your terms are acceptable

[unkempt blade]

I'm playing on hardcore mode though so I don't need to worry about stuff running after I'm dead because my single save will get deleted anyway

[floral trellis]

theres a hardcore mode too? wow

anyway, id say the biocoal and charcoal are either vital or useless depending on your run

[glacial drum]

There isn’t one. He just simulates it by not playing if he dies.

[unkempt blade]

yeah not officially supported

way easier than other games with actual hardcore modes though

just keep your life bar topped off and if something scary happens run away while horking down berries

[hidden pebble]

Respawning saves loads of time

[floral trellis]

bet you are scared to hell if you want some SAM or a sloop from a cave

[void cliff]

hardcore is not so bad if you bring plenty of stun rebar 🙂

[unkempt blade]

Nah it's just spider. You can build power stuff as you go to preserve a safe area if you need one

Just have to smack them with the basher and hork berries again

[floral trellis]

i never really gave the fancy rebars a chance. aiming ammo my beloved

[hidden pebble]

I was jumpscared the first time around. Fighting is more annoying than hard in this game. I completed the game once without any tweaks. Now i just put them on retaliate and use respawns as i like.

[void cliff]

I'm still on phase 1, got a xeno basher, stun rebar, parachute, gas mask, and nobelisks already

can basically take down any enemy besides the Rad Boars

[hidden pebble]

Pc player?

[dreamy nest]

stun rebar is great if you have a partner

[unkempt blade]

Yeah especially after you get the jetpack it's pretty easy to get out of any bad situations that surprise you

[floral trellis]

yeah, i turned on keep inv too. i hate death runs

[dreamy nest]

my partner stuns them, i melee them, we take basically no damage from anything but the bees

[void cliff]

just switch weapons, you can even use 2 rebar guns (shatter + stun)

[dreamy nest]

oh, that is a good idea ty

[glacial drum]

If you crouch walk up to the hives you can smack em without them noticing you

[unkempt blade]

the boombox from the awesome shop is pretty fun vs bees

[dreamy nest]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT I DIDNT KNOW THAT

also i havent bought the boombox, what does it do to the bees 🤣

[void cliff]

thanks for the reminder, i need to buy one 😄 it works against all enemies, too. great when swarmed by spiders.

[glacial drum]

Yea stealth mechanics in this game are a thing.. Odd to use but fun

[unkempt blade]

besides playing music there's an area effect attack you can do while holding it

[stone quiver]

I guess if you just dump everything you're carrying , yes

[hidden pebble]

Keep inventory exists

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's fun for booping stuff off of cliffs

[stone quiver]

You act as if that's not just bypassing the entire mechanic

No cost exists too

[hidden pebble]

Pulse nobelisk go brr

[floral trellis]

fine then, just toss everything you looted in your personal dim depot

[glacial drum]

Now now, not too much on my beloved keep inventory

[dreamy nest]

i play with keep inventory

i hate death runs 🤣

[hidden pebble]

Give me one reason to go through the tedium of going back and forth in every save

[floral trellis]

i let hogs do that on their own when possible. jump with the leg things, pulse of the jetpack, and youre out of reach

[unkempt blade]

yeah but those won't play the deep rock galactic disc, checkmate

[glacial drum]

If it makes a sound when exploding you can simulate any song

[hidden pebble]

And i do use it, yes, in a different save file, to test my blueprints. Your point?

[glacial drum]

Checkmate.

[dreamy nest]

my roommate is playing too, he baits the hogs out onto foundations then deconstructs them under the hogs 🤣

[stone quiver]

You're saying why do anything that has a time investment or consequence. It's there's to add weight to decisions

[glacial drum]

Ever since I automated the final tier bomb (not naming for spoilers) I’ve just strapped a couple to hogs and ran off

[floral trellis]

thats one way to do it

[glacial drum]

Reminder that it is a sandbox game and people have fun differently. A lot of people don’t like losing stuff on death.

[dreamy nest]

people play how they want to, people are different 😛

[stone quiver]

They're asking me. I guess I'll just leave it up in the air

[floral trellis]

i also saw people have a little hut blueprint, they can just put that over the beasty from a distance, and then chuck a couple nobelisk through a hole

[dreamy nest]

my game partner doesnt have keep inventory on, shes more cautious than i am tho, so she dies way less 🤣

[floral trellis]

that varies per player? huh. youd think that would be per world

[dreamy nest]

im like 95% sure its per player

[unkempt blade]

I haven't actually played an MP save with that setting on. Not really sure how that works

[hidden pebble]

Add "weight" to decisions. Such profound words for a situation...not as profound.

[floral trellis]

my punishment for dying is already respawning at base, far away from my exploration, and having to move back to my projects

[unkempt blade]

you're definitely not a good candidate for "heaviest hardcore" mode

[hidden pebble]

Guys i finally managed to connect the water extractors to my nuclear reactor.🔥

[floral trellis]

no need to add to that the nonsense of spare weapons (one time craft, because you just chuck it in dim depot), walking back to where you died, grabbing a damn box

[hidden pebble]

What's that mode?

!wikisearch heaviest hardcore

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=heaviest+hardcore

[unkempt blade]

all the joys of normal hardcore mode except now you can't delete after you build

[floral trellis]

what

i go through several iterations before im happy with a factory as is

[hidden pebble]

Can't die and can't dismantle?

[unkempt blade]

yeah no going back, very weighty decisions

that's why it's heaviest

[dreamy nest]

can you still upgrade things from mark 1 to mark 2, etc?

[hidden pebble]

No thanks, I'll make weighty decision irl. I believe I have that much of a capability. A game is for frivolity.

[dreamy nest]

like, hardcore is def not for me

[normal sequoia]

absolutly

i need a question why my machines have sometime 84% of efficiency and sometime 100%

[hidden pebble]

I saw a speedrunner clear satisfactory in around 8 hours. Did some madman also clear heaviest hardcore?

[unkempt blade]

not yet, I just invented it

give me like 9 hours

[floral trellis]

no deletions, no platforms!

[cinder raven]

jemand deutscher der bock hat zu spielen ?

[hidden pebble]

You can do that in 9 hours💀

[unkempt blade]

all thanks to factory carts

[hidden pebble]

If you do, I'd crown you as a certified masochist

[dreamy nest]

someone would have to build the mod for the mode first 🤣

[hidden pebble]

I mean why? They are good but not that good?

[unkempt blade]

seeing all those adorable little vehicles driving around inspires me to satisfactory my best

[hidden pebble]

Nah, just it's easy. Unbind dismantle key and remove dismantle from keybindings.

[dreamy nest]

i have never used a factory cart

i skipped all vehicles and went straight to trains

[unkempt blade]

trains are awesome but they're too large to be adorable

[mortal ginkgo]

but tractors are wobbly and cute!

[dreamy nest]

they are quite large

[hidden pebble]

Better than my silly ass who belted 300 sulphur over 2 km

[dreamy nest]

oh i still have belts all over the place 🤣

[hidden pebble]

You like large stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

I love how people think train stations are massive while they look rather normal because i do tons of walls and decorations .

[dreamy nest]

lewd

[hidden pebble]

Tell me how I'm gonna decorate my stations

[mortal ginkgo]

first you believe

[hidden pebble]

My goodness, first you perceive in the wrong way, then you blame me?

[unkempt blade]

factory cart skatepark next to it with carts automated to do tricks all the time + some cool lighting

[hidden pebble]

Basically an epilepsy simulator?

[mortal ginkgo]

also I hope 1.2 patch brings structural integrity so all those non decoration folk who got 484783746 amount of fuel gens over 1m ficsit foundation zone in sky drops.

Please God make it happen 🙏

[unkempt blade]

yeah but only if your graphics cards is 💩

[hidden pebble]

I hope all impure limestone nodes become impure sulfur nodes

[dreamy nest]

wait you want real gravity in this game?

[swift turret]

Don't say that about 1660s

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now thats a low blow big dawg! 😭😭😭

[unkempt blade]

I'd be interested just to see how many of my skroads survive

[swift turret]

It is real gravity

[hidden pebble]

They'll survive just fine. It's not like they get a lot of traffic.

[mortal ginkgo]

all i want is those people suffering, rest can stay afloat

[swift turret]

Each planet has their own gravitational pull

[hollow bay]

should I get the train speed limit mod even tho it's currently reported as damaged on stable?

[unkempt blade]

why would I build them for no traffic?

[hidden pebble]

How many trains do each of your bridges bear?

[ornate saffron]

Im just seeing this out of context. But yes. Everything but light has its own gravity

[unkempt blade]

Because they're delightfully colorful and make my world look awesome! That's why! #screenshots message

[swift turret]

Nah light weighs as much as light

[floral trellis]

i make trainstations look small

[hidden pebble]

Light also has its gravity

[swift turret]

That's at least 4 lights

[hidden pebble]

Feels like candypop on the outside, fever medicine on the inside

[ornate saffron]

Things that have mass moving at the speed of light have infinite mass. So either they dont have gravity or we (as humans) dont understand how light functions

[toxic lichen]

what chapter did i miss ;-;

[ornate saffron]

I approve

You need a shining time station

[unkempt blade]

the roads are the boring part, the real fun starts with the giant faces #screenshots message #screenshots message

[left hearth]

How do I get my blueprints to connect belts between them?

[ornate saffron]

Change your build mode to auto connect

[hidden pebble]

Light has 0 rest mass. Since it's at lightspeed, it gets to exert gravity by virtue of its energy.

[left hearth]

It is 🙁 Maybe im not setting up the print correctly

[unkempt blade]

ok my dog says it's nature time, have a great time using factory carts everyone

[hidden pebble]

Give me them blueprints. I want these faces as well🤮

[ornate saffron]

Sometimes you need to have the belt float in you blueprint with no supports on the part you widh to connect

[floral trellis]

this. have your belt or pipe extend just a little bit. havent figured out how to autoconnect powerlines yet

[mortal ginkgo]

coz you cant

[floral trellis]

not with that attitude!

[hidden pebble]

Imagine plopping down a power pole and it autoconnects to all nearby machines leaving one slot free

I have to connect my 216 extractors, 108 pumps and 108 nuclear reactors 💀

[floral trellis]

two slots free! gotta connect to more poles after all

[mortal ginkgo]

my attidue is rather impure, one might say 😭

[floral trellis]

im sorry impure, ill gather three of your friends, and process you with water

[mortal ginkgo]

but yeah, it would go along way.. currently using light with rail blueprints are kinda meh due to manuel need of linking it all

[floral trellis]

a little tweak like having connections with same colour connect, assuming theres a free slot on both would go a long way

[wispy osprey]

Impure

Aside from sulfur I'm glad there's a generous amount of pure simple materials across the map

[floral trellis]

there is 24000 iron ore in the dune desert.
dont ask how i know.

[wispy osprey]

If the game had just 2-3 more pure sulfur nodes I'd be cool

[wispy osprey]

6-8 pure nodes are in relative distance from each other over there with pure coal not too far behind

While iron is the most abundant, the biggest yield of raw ore to ingot goes to copper... it's nuts how quickly pure maxes belts

[floral trellis]

yeah.... #screenshots message

[crude canyon]

with what recipe?

[wispy osprey]

Pure copper ingot has a bigger yield than pure iron ingot

[floral trellis]

i didnt use the pure recipe, i didnt feel like adding another 200 refineries to the project

[crude canyon]

yeah iron and copper alloy are my goats

[floral trellis]

i didnt use those either.

i just literally used a couple hundred smelters to make 24000 iron, and 9600 copper

[wispy osprey]

Smelters do save a bit on energy costs iirc

[floral trellis]

could i have doubled that with pure? yes. but that takes like four times the already insane space

[wispy osprey]

I don't mind the refining process when I use slugs.

You only need a ton of copper near the endgame anyway

[floral trellis]

i already have my 1000 pasta anyway

that factory is still going too

[wispy osprey]

I'm not the biggest fan of electrode recipes because moving petrol around is a bit of a pain

[hidden pebble]

There's always oil near bauxite?

Not like two steps away

But close enough

[wispy osprey]

I suppose that case is fine

[unkempt blade]

those are all much bigger than the blueprinter

I only have bespoke, carefully handcrafted faces throwing up rainbows

[old sequoia]

Good morning all

[gusty scroll]

I’m losing motivation to play satisfactory. So someone, give me some motivation.

[unkempt blade]

play if it's fun for you and if it isn't go play something else for a while

[gusty scroll]

I find it fun. However i haven’t played it in a good 2-3 weeks so im seeking motivation here.

[unkempt blade]

then pick a project and go

if you plan on taking long breaks between sessions I think a notebook or something can help remember where you left off to keep come continuity

[waxen locust]

I think I'm a bit stupid... Only now do I realise that, if you run a machine and arn't sure of the input numbers so you arn't sure what the overclock should be. You can just wait for it to stabilize, and then match the overclock rate of the running percentage.

for example, my sam machines, I havn't matches the input of the ore to the constructors of the activate sam, and I was too lazy to work out the numbers for something temporary.
I could just... as I said, match the numbers of the running percentage, to the overclock rate, so theres no fluctuations.

(I know technically this doesn't matter, but flat power graph is a nice power graph.)

[floral trellis]

work from either input or output, base your clocks on those numbers

[reef basin]

flat power graph is practically impossible to do

as soon as you do any vehicles, sinks, particle accelerators, etc., you lose the flat line

[waxen locust]

I know that's how you should do it. But this is a setup I didn't care for interms of, if it runs or not. as this is a fresh run I'm doing and just needed activated sam

[waxen locust]

I'm aware- which is why it's so nice when you do have it. a.k.a in my new save. I'm about to setup coal. so having a nice flat power line. is rare and thus. more enjoyable

[ornate saffron]

are they not identical for pure yeilds? ?

[waxen locust]

They are the same, IDK what that person is talking about

[waxen locust]

The only difference when it comes to pure nodes, is between miner nodes, and extractor nodes. Pures will give different outputs in that regards.

[ornate saffron]

ya a pure iron node and a pure copper node both give 1200/min at max OC with a mk3 miner

[waxen locust]

OH. I JUST READ THE MESSAGE PROPERLY. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RECIPES

[ornate saffron]

even then \

[wispy osprey]

7 raw iron + 4 water = 13/min
6 raw copper + 4 water = 15/min

I know what I'm talking about

[waxen locust]

yea, no. no they arn't XD i thought they was talking about nodes. not recipes XD

[ornate saffron]

imn not saying you dont its aa question ;p;

[waxen locust]

My bad, I thought you was refering to nodes, not recipes XD

[wispy osprey]

Its alright, I was responding to another thing there

That single less copper per minute in refineries exponentially increases the amount of refineries

[ornate saffron]

tools is being wierd.

[wispy osprey]

I always do my own math

[placid stirrup]

I always do your own math too

[ornate saffron]

ya, i use spread sheets but im at work.... on my phone. lol using the tools i got ^_^\

[wispy osprey]

You need to divi up based on the conveyors you're using anyway

[waxen locust]

I also HATE the pure iron recipe btw.
pure iron = 1.857143 ingot per ore...
pure copper = 2.5
I wish they'd make pure iron a bit nicer, Maybe 1.75. or something like that. not 1.857143. DRIVES ME INSANE.

[tidal dock]

Compacted coal won't increase the power provided but will let me run more coal generators off one belt?

[wispy osprey]

As someone that's done the refinery math it isn't the worst thing in the world to snag a normal node to fill 480 belts

[waxen locust]

because of the power usage for making the compacted. theres bearly any bonus in power.

[wispy osprey]

Sure it's technically less but the result is an output of 480

[fierce holly]

I am a dog who smokes cigarettes

[tidal dock]

I see

[ornate saffron]

i hated myself when i decided to smelt all my iorn and copper into ingots in one facility for phase 4/5

700 refineries was a pian

[waxen locust]

I wouldn't mind a .75, or .5. or a .25. or hell a whole number. but. .857143. drives me crazy.

[floral trellis]

ill settle for flat production in my save. for a next save, ill add potential draw = current draw

[wispy osprey]

You have to round to the nearest decimal after the 100ths

[bitter crow]

What should i build today: rotor factory, steel factory or rip factory?

[wispy osprey]

So .8571 turns into .86

[floral trellis]

i loved doing my steel factory

[waxen locust]

no you don't I'm saying that the ingot to ore ratio. you do in the overclock UI tho

[floral trellis]

used 3 pure iron, and 3 pure coal for that

[wispy osprey]

Ah

[bitter crow]

Im gonna use 2x pure iron and 2x hyperchraged normal coal

[ornate saffron]

one factory that makes outputs 10 rotors, 10 stators and ten motors for pioneer use

[floral trellis]

mine were all mk3 overclocked 😄

[waxen locust]

sorry- it's .857143 extra per ore. not the overclock number XD

[bitter crow]

Would you consider that to be sufficient, even in the later stages of the game?

[bitter crow]

Mk2 is good too

[floral trellis]

for the time being, yeah, keep options for expansion

[bitter crow]

Im unsure of the demand on steel pipes tho, how many will i need yk?

[wispy osprey]

I have an extra machine doing an underclock on iron, I prefer to overclock copper refinement

[ornate saffron]

if you output into industrial storage then the storage goes to a dimensional Depot you should not have any real problems. or at least the average player wont.

[waxen locust]

to get this BTW, you divide the output by the input, which will get you how many ingots a single ore will get you

[floral trellis]

except concretos and maybe plate. better give those some extra boxes and depots

[wispy osprey]

I'm aware it's not quite 2×

[waxen locust]

which I don't mind it's not 2x. but OHHHH MY GOD-

[bitter crow]

Very well then, ill build a motor factory today

[ornate saffron]

we are talking specificly about rotors, stators and motors

[bitter crow]

Altough can someone give me an approximate number of how many steel pipes i will eventually need?

[waxen locust]

more than the beams

[wispy osprey]

Plenty of iron across the world to do copper alloy too

[bitter crow]

Oh gosh

[wispy osprey]

And that's 100 per minute

Alloy is actually kinda good

[floral trellis]

eventually by which stage?

because im kinda working on a silly amount of phase 5 project parts

[waxen locust]

make less beams too, You only need it for a handful of buildings. so unless you're spamming 2million packagers, rails, frieghtcars, blueprint designers mk1s. Then you don't need alot of stealbeams.

[bitter crow]

Well how many would i need thru stage 2-3?

[waxen locust]

unless you wanna mass craft about 500 verstile frameworks. probs only 2 machines at most.

[bitter crow]

Thanks for this, id 100% have overshot how much i needed

[floral trellis]

2-3, you wont need that many. if you get 60 a min, you should be a good distance

[ornate saffron]

that's player dependent. I build steel in the factory they are needed. I dont mass produce then ship around the map.

so my first steel factory is about personal use.

I love the frame options for building and decorating so i use lots of steel beams.

i feel for the average player who is just casually playing through the game 5/min for Steel beams, pipes is enough. 10/min for encased industrial steel beams. as they are used for mk4 belts

again this is for pioneer use

[waxen locust]

use incased steel pipe, the numbers are massively better.

less steel. OR NO steel if you used iron pipes alternate. and gives you more.

[floral trellis]

steel beams are kinda painful actually

[wispy osprey]

I think I'll swap refinement for alloy making, probably

[bitter crow]

Very well then

[ornate saffron]

again player choices. I leave that out just talking output numbers.

[bitter crow]

Ill get to building that motor factory now’

[wispy osprey]

Maybe don't place them on your foot

[frosty mirage]

Did anyone ever choose to not progress and build a city or some shit like that? 🤔

[calm mango]

Real

[bitter crow]

I built the great wall of china out of conveyor belts

[wispy osprey]

I attempted to make a mega factory several times

I'm terrible at planning

[waxen locust]

i mean yea. so is manifolding VS balancing. millions of people will tear into you for using the latter (as I've found out the hardway)

[calm mango]

Real²

[frosty mirage]

You can design without it being a factory tho

[floral trellis]

i chose to just process all resources in the desert, for giggles

[frosty mirage]

Can i see that?

[calm mango]

Balance, manifold, use the most ineffective way to transport ever because it is YOUR game

[bitter crow]

its a little difficult to capture in one photo, but its essentially 15 layers of conveyor belts spanning half the diameter of the map

[ornate saffron]

i view recipes and alt recipes as tools to fit the situation not better or worse. most the time i take stock of the resources i currently have access to then base my build around that. then find any resources im missing.

for example
Im not going to build a oil facility for more plastic so i can make computers when i have 3 quartz nodes under utilized with logistics already in place .

recipes are just tools in the box

[bitter crow]

ive got one photo, but it doesnt do the size much justice

[calm mango]

So the radius....

[wispy osprey]

Similar deal with mega factories.
You can get similar results building each individual step in different locations

[bitter crow]

yup

[floral trellis]

i saw one user use balancing to keep their NPP radiation free at 100% effeciency. that must have taken some crazy planning

[bitter crow]

dramatic effect folks

[wispy osprey]

I will say blue crater is the singular best area ever

[zenith pecan]

I did that, 1>100 load balancer in the reactor hall.

[frosty mirage]

Thats probably the only reason for balancing instead of manifold

[floral trellis]

currently building a 570k MW rocket fuel plant there

[bitter crow]

#screenshots

[waxen locust]

yea, thats how the community is now.
I remember back in U3 -> U7, if you didn't manifold, you're a moron and shouldn't be playing the game because you're an idiot.

I'm so damn happy the community is where it is now. Just wish it was that way a bit sooner.
I remember finding out that, the game calculated fall damage based on speed. Not hieght. Using that, I figured out that nobelisks can stop all downwards momentum to give you knockback from the explosion (this was before pulse nobelisks), I was still at stage 4 of the game when I found this out. So I told people about, you could use a nobelisk to survive a deadly fall. EVERYBODY. just told me to use a jetpack. rather than talking about the discovery. even tho. the jetpack was tier 5 or 7 back then.

[bitter crow]

the great wall of misery and despair

[wispy osprey]

There's also iron nearby for steel if you wanna use more of the water

[ornate saffron]

ya Zula here did that using all the worlds uranium

[floral trellis]

gotta say, im impressed, my NPP is stacked from top to bottom with spare rods, and is a radioactive hellhole

[zenith pecan]

Thats nuts, hell under my 23 oil platforms are several load balancers as it just works.

[wispy osprey]

There are only like, 4 nodes in the entire world.

No pure at all

[ornate saffron]

im aware

[ornate saffron]

speak of the devil lol

[void gorge]

Sheesh I actually cannot imagine that

Not self-glazing wasn't even around then

[waxen locust]

and that's oki. I said tried to say back then and now, it's a sandbox game,. Play it how you want just like how you'd play minecraft or othergames

[floral trellis]

i think the only time i used belt balancers is for my alu plant, i had belts of different values going to my trains

[waxen locust]

oh hey mikael XD, did not expect you here XD, yea back then it was aweful. You had to play how people wanted or get """harrassed""" for it

[void gorge]

Mah way or the highway

Classic

[wispy osprey]

Was parachute still in phase 3 back then?

[zenith pecan]

I just ise what I want, when I want, people think they have the right to dictate how others play, naturally reality ensues.

[waxen locust]

It's been a bit. but I remember it being a one time consumable.

[wispy osprey]

Or through fabric chain*

Oh that's pretty bad

[waxen locust]

I think I made that discovery either U3 or U4.

[wispy osprey]

Currently i wish there was more use to the space elevator

[frosty mirage]

You should have just abused them with balancing photos lol

Or with nobelisk fall videos

[pliant prawn]

and the hub rocket too for me. or maybe even a separate rocket. It would be fun to be off exploring then hear ADA say like "launch in 3...2...1.." then look back at your base and se it go off

[wispy osprey]

If there's one thing satisfactory could take from inspiration, it's the endgame design like Shapez and Shapez 2

The endgame loop in those never ends

Could give function to the elevator then too lol

[frosty mirage]

It does feel like im sidequested from sidequesting just to transport parts into it

[ornate saffron]

im not sure hoe i feel about end game loops in general. I like them in seasonal games like path to exile as i'm only playing for a month then i wont touch it for half a year.

But in sandbox games i like setting my own goals. building on the ideas and experiences i have. With a end game loop It feels like you are being directed to do something rather then making a choice of what to do

[waxen locust]

I know the devs wanna keep the gameworld as a premade setpiece. Which I'm all for. I just hope we get an optional gamemode sort of thing. where we forego the story and have randomly generated terrain. So we still have the stunning map that was made, but if we want replayability, we can just generate a world. Not replacing the current map we have.

[frosty mirage]

While sometimes the freedom in satisfactory is well, satisfactory, it can also be annoying but i think thats just me being annoyed by myself and thinking of so many things to do all at once

[pliant prawn]

a simple fun end game goal might be just building ||the ship|| again as like a time trial. The station is already there. Maybe diferent ||ships|| with unique needs too

[ornate saffron]

these things are already provided by the rather well support and open modding community (i know that doesnt help Consloe gamers) so is it a good place for CSS to put resources? or continue there vision for the game as they have already planned out for themselves?

i rather like the game in its current state and i trust future updates we get will be well thought out and implemented

[waxen locust]

I was gonna say- I do feel it's unfair to offer an option quite a bit of the player don't have access too.

[frosty mirage]

As a console player i would be offended

[tall lantern]

that's just the nature of this style of modding

[pliant prawn]

I'm not suggesting in any way that CSS shouldnt do whatever they want, but I dont think thats sequiter to doing things that mods can do. CSS already incorporated nudge and then took the restriction off which was a mod before that. "modders already did" does not lead to "therefore designers should not"

[unkempt blade]

I still want it to suck you into the wormhole and dump you into a new save where everything costs twice as much

[waxen locust]

Hell, when I started playing. I was using gamestreaming service to play it, cause I was on a bad computer. so the only way to play was that option. and that didn't allow me to mod it. so that's why I try not to say. "just mod the game" cause not everyone can do it.

[normal sequoia]

when u unlock the OiL IT’S SO GOOD

[waxen locust]

funnier option = Once you beat the final tier. There's a random chance when you enter a teleporter it sucks you into golf, and if you don't get par, you get sent into that new save XD

[ornate saffron]

+for sure, im not saying you are.

Im just happy we have any continued support when 1.2 launched and CSS said " we are going into maintenance mode" id be still happy. I view all continued support especially for no additional cost a bonus.

[normal sequoia]

U take oil, it’s create plastic but u get back Heavy Oil Residue

And with u can make another things arghhh

[whole robin]

Are geysers only used for geothermal generators?

[ornate saffron]

yes sir

free but variable power

[unkempt blade]

I still feel strongly entitled to a factory cart mk2 and if I don't get it I'll be very grouchy for like 5 minutes!

[waxen locust]

isn't that the golden cart?

and cart 1.5 is the ficsmas cart?

[unkempt blade]

no that's the mk1 cart with fancy trim

[ornate saffron]

I thought my process of using my first oil access as power was the general way to do it. This discord makes me feel it is not.

I always build a power facility first then taking that byproduct to make rubber and plastic for personal use. then ill build out oil for rubber and plastic later when needed

[normal sequoia]

Yea we have so many option

[waxen locust]

thats how I do it.
using the alternate, HOR recipe, then making diluted fuel. and using the polymer resign to make plastic, rubber and a TINY bit of fabric

[unkempt blade]

I build some amount of rubber/plastic first to unlock research but add fuel as soon as it does unlock. It's not purely fuel but it is net positive for power

[normal sequoia]

I create plastic and rubber for the moment

[ornate saffron]

for sure it is what i love about the game. i take mental notes of all these diffrent approaches so i dont get tunnel vision and get locked into a single way of doing things

[pliant prawn]

for sure we are spoiled by the support as is. I also could happily sit with the game as is but adding an end game loop however small would be the sweetest cherry on top. Thats why I thought just ||the ship|| resetting would be a fairly simple addition. No new assets except maybe some ADA lines.

[frosty mirage]

Is this the most efficient way to go about oil with HOR alt?

[waxen locust]

the blender, diluted fuel is better. but thats not till like. tier 6.

[normal sequoia]

Yeah it’s good to take time

[ornate saffron]

Most People Consider HOR the goat and crave it

[reef basin]

diluted fuel is not really better than diluted packaged fuel

[frosty mirage]

Im tier 6 but i dont have blender yet

[waxen locust]

until you remember the amount of finageling you have to do for the canisters. and i wanna rip my hair out.

[reef basin]

that amount is literally just "make a blueprint"

[waxen locust]

Maybe tier 7 then, I'm a little sleep deprived and hungry XD

[waxen locust]

That's what I eventually did. but the original factory I made with that recipe, had different systems on different floors. Since I was having fuel generators take fuel from the top, I had the unpackagers on the top. and the amount of stressing I did to make a closed loop system so that there was no issues with unpackagers sending to the wrong packagers. I had to rebuild the whole project about 8 times. I think this was before the mk2 and 3 BPDesigner, so not really possible for the blueprints.

[frosty mirage]

Yea, i was asking because i recently got the HOR alt and also the diluted packaged fuel alt and i think my next project after my construction material factory will be redoing my oil infrastructure

[reef basin]

that's why you make a small 1:1:1 loop instead of centralised package system

[waxen locust]

if you're doing power only. That is the best way to do it. if you're doing a computer facility and are struggling for crude oil. go for the alternate polymer resign recipe.

[unkempt blade]

Even just one mega-loop isn't too bad if you just stick a storage container between package-in and package-out. You can just throw a few extra stacks in until it runs as expected

[waxen locust]

for design reasons and powerline management, I chose to put it on seperate floors. Not the smartest idea I know. But It's what I did back then, I think it turned out looking amazing. (granted I never did the exterior)

[frosty mirage]

My computer factory is up and running with caterium alts already, i have 3 oil nodes available in the crater that i will use strictly for a power plant

[waxen locust]

yea- go with diluted and HOR alt. they are the best recipes if you purely want fuel production

but if you don't care about THE BEST. do it how you want ❤️

[frosty mirage]

I mostly care about efficiency, im trying to get the most out of the least amount of resources

[waxen locust]

then yea, if you're making fuel. go for those two, only extra step is getting water. But you need water for turning the polymer resign into, plastic, rubber and fabric. thats if you dont wanna just sink that polymer

[floral trellis]

honestly, you could make the elevator take random amounts of random (non-finite) parts, based on a every increasing amount of ticketpoints per go. then award like 4x the ticketpoints if you complete it

boom done, we need 10k reinforced iron plate, and 4000 aluminium casing. lets go

or reward 4 sloops or so per go

[vague plume]

Guys

I wanne make some sort of spaceship but have no inspiration

(no mods)

[waxen locust]

I do hope the gasmask and/or nobelisks get re-evalutated for balacing.
Ever since we can blow up gasrocks. I've NEVER, EVER. made the gasmask.
Nobelisks are just SO VERSITILE. and EASIER to automate. over gas filters. which requires oil.
Nobelisks are just foundries, which is tier3. not tier 5.

[floral trellis]

oil and alt recipe

[waxen locust]

wut? read my message again XD

[ornate saffron]

gas mask + iodine filter

[waxen locust]

why bother with that? that is tier 7/8.
when I can just... blow up the gas rocks?

[tranquil lantern]

exploding rebar is so much more practical than nobelisks. faster reload.

[waxen locust]

but also requires oil.

I think people are missing my point.

[ornate saffron]

still a use is my meaning. I still use gas filters mind you as i do lots of exploring early. but i understand your point

[waxen locust]

why do you use them for early exploring over just making nobelisks? (not attacking, just asking)

[ornate saffron]

because i don't have steel production yet. I don't proceed tiers until i get all the possible recipes

gas mask is a easy unlock as well as parachute

[floral trellis]

honestly, i dont bother blowing up the rocks on every patch i pass through. ill only clear them from my factory areas

[ornate saffron]

haha there is that too. On my desk top blowing up shit no issues. on my laptop... if i blow rocks or gas dildos my laptop drops from 30 fps to 2 and chuggs for several minutes. its the only time i get frame drops

[waxen locust]

ok I get it for like, a completion per stage run.
but for regular play and hardcore players. gasmasks are pointless.

nobelisks = Sulfur is no futher than maybe a 5 minute walk, and can be scanned. You only need steel which you get in tier 3, and is right after/before getting automated power. They open up parts of the map, and can kill enemies from range.

gas mask = You have to find plants that get mycelium, Most of which require a chainsaw which requires solid biofuel. Then you have to get biomass and turn it into fabric. Then with some coal, (which is also needed for nobelisks and power at that point) you can MANUALLY craft filters. Then in tier 5. You get access to oil refineries. Then with some fabric and a bi-product from and alternate recipe (IIRC its only in an alternate) you can finally unlock the ability to automate filters.

[ornate saffron]

we all have our playstyles ^_^

[floral trellis]

while i get its not a hardrequirement since nobs explode them, i still dont want to leave base without a 50 stack on me

i so often see my filter blink on, thats all damage prevented.

[waxen locust]

I'm aware ❤️ which is why I say, if you wanna play that way you're welcome too. I just don't think there's any reason for me to interact with a part of the game. which doesn't happen for anything else. (i'm not including every alt as its own seperate part of the game, they arn't a mechanic, they are 2 mechanics. Alternates and automation)

[floral trellis]

this also plays in the fact that you survive a fall at 100 hp, but not at 98

oh, breathed in a tiny bit of gas? well, next fall kills you

[ornate saffron]

its just another tool you can choose to use

@waxen locust do you play hardcaore? if so how do you achiece it

do you do the soft luck spawn thing

[waxen locust]

fair. but for me, by the point you automate filters. You have a jetpack, either using fuel or solidbiofuel. Plus more than often I'm not jumping off a cliff. Granted the added option to keep all items on you on death deletes any punishment for dieing. There's no reason to not just. respawn to teleport to the hub.

Which I get that some poeple don't like punishments. Or do a no death run.
But I firmly believe there should be SOME punishment for dieing. But because I have the option to NOT have one. I'm gonna do that. (as they say, gamers can and will optimize the fun out of things and I think death punishments. enhanced the fun because, you've avoided deadly areas, You've triumphed enemies that should have put you in the foreverbox. but here you at, the top of an automation empire, living your best life)

[waxen locust]

soft luck spawn thing??

[ornate saffron]

you can tightly place power poles 100 or so in square then build your hub so they all clip through the spawn point.

when you die this forces the Pioneer player model through the floor making you fall into the void and into the death box. you respawn and repeat. this soft locks your game

making it hardcore

[tidal dock]

so whenever I try to build something if I fall in the water I can no longer jump and it just constantly opens the crafting window, how do I fix this?

[waxen locust]

to expend on this. I absolutely cheese the game because its something. I CAN do.

the moment I unlock hypertubes. I just make a hypertube cannon towards the sky. get a parachute and parachute around grabbing ANY and ALL harddrives I can, rather than doing the whole. world difficulty thing they want players to interact with while exploring.
Why do that when I can just. launch into space. parachute to the goodies. and then just. respawn back. safe and sound.

[ornate saffron]

spam esc while jumping out of the water. Its a pain

[waxen locust]

Didn't know that was a thing.

I don't think loosing all your progress entirely on death is a good thing. That just ruins my mood to play a game. But dropping inventory I think is a fine middleground. You don't loose it perminantly. But you're punished for dieing by the need to go back and get your items. (if you care about them that is)

[ornate saffron]

oh in most games when people say hardcore thats what they mean. I didnt realize it ment something diffrent in the satisfactory community

[waxen locust]

I get that peopel like hardcore. and people don't like punishment on death.

But I think there should be punishments for not having punishments if that makes sense.

Like in minecraft. You loose access to getting achievements if you turn off keep inventory (which IK most people don't care about)

In satisfactory. it's N O T H I N G. The only rare (let players play how they want) I think that satisfactory goes too far with.
kinda oposite of how they made it so you can raise conveyor supports too far off the ground with nudge mode

[waxen locust]

it doesn't I don't think?

[bitter crow]

how can i get alot of tickets FAST

[waxen locust]

the modders have a guide on how to make mods yourself. over on their discord

[bitter crow]

im starving over here

my bridges are a lack table essentially

https://tenor.com/view/ikea-table-lack-flatpackaged-gif-13911512

[waxen locust]

early game, I just sink uranium straight from the nodes. 35points per ore. which is the best for raw ore input I believe.
but the more difficult the part is to make. the more points. There's even a point table on satisfactory.wiki.gg for the points per part

[deep gate]

I assume you're just starting out - a good source early is just to sink your leftover quickwire

there's a lot of it that you're not going to be using early probably

[bitter crow]

uranium ore n quickwire, thanks

[waxen locust]

or just. sommer sloop alien protien and dna capsule constructors, to turn 1 remians into 4 dna. which is 4k dna points.

[rich torrent]

is it "Cheating" to leave my computer on all day while im at work so my builds make stuff

[waxen locust]

that's up to you

[steel igloo]

people run dedicated servers so things build stuff constantly for days, weeks, or months without them having to do anything

[tall lantern]

it's not the intended method (this isn't an idle game), but you do you

[tidal dock]

You're gonna totally ruin the leaderboards doing that! If you're playing alone, who cares?

[ornate saffron]

It absolutely does. In many games you can click the hardcore mode box and your character will auto delete when you die or transfer your character to softcore

[waxen locust]

well theres no official hardcore in satisfactory. You have to do it yourself. With a bug as mentioned earlier. or deleting the save yourself

[deep gate]

which is your favorite boombox tape

I can't decide between FICSMAS #2 and Le Michael

[rich torrent]

Its not an idle game but I make one assembly director per minuet and I need 500 of them >.>

[quasi warren]

Sanctum2

Best music for me ingame imo

[waxen locust]

you could AFK. or do something else. entirely up to you.

[tall lantern]

if your factory isn't making as much of an item as you need, make another factory

[deep gate]

I mostly listened to Sanctum 1, sounds like I need to give s2 one more try then

[waxen locust]

decorate your factory. make another production line. hunt for stuff you havn't gathered. like all the hundreds of collectables. Make some blueprints.

You could do anything ingame while you wait. or, you can simply AFK

[quasi warren]

I play games like ultrakill so when I listen to it I go on a murder spree-

[steel igloo]

it's a single player or co-op building game, play it how you want, there's no wrong way, I got a save I made when 1.0 came out that just passed 10000 hours, do the math on that

[rich torrent]

If i was good at math my factory would be building stuff faster TwT

[steel igloo]

basically it's been going almost non-stop since 1.0 dropped, was down a week or two due to server issues

[rich torrent]

I have gathered everything already ||I will admit to using a mod to do that but that's only because I already gathered every thing manually on a previous save and im NOT doing that again||

[waxen locust]

you had that on for 80% of the 1 and half years, that this came out XD

[rich torrent]

I will work on making a second mega factory I guesss

[steel igloo]

should be more than 80% should be closer to like 95

[whole robin]

Another update has struck the twim mega factories

[waxen locust]

well. there's many other options in that list. You do what you want to do.
I personally think modding is "more cheaty" than AFKing. but then again. I don't think there is cheating is possible in a sandbox game

[waxen locust]

nope. Theres been just over 12k hours since the release of satisfactory
10000 from 12000 as a percentage. is 80%

[steel igloo]

hmm, weird, wonder what happened for those few months I thought it was running pretty much non stop, damn

[rich torrent]

I would agree and my only reasoning is i already did the work once
i kinda feel its like a blueprint

[waxen locust]

that's fair ❤️ Whenevr I start a save. I boot up satisfactory calculator. give myself all the spheres and sloops. Then enable the auto unlock alts.
That's my way of not doing it again XD

[steel igloo]

I "cheated" a little on my save by going back to all my pre 1.0 saves and counting up all the mercer spheres and somersloops I collected back when they were useless across all saves and "granting" myself the same number in this new save, the spheres just let me get depots going quicker to make building easier but the sloops are stupid OP so they're the only ones I feel a teeny twinge of guilt on, but then again I did collect them all just to do it for years

[acoustic bear]

I'm probably going to do something similar soon. I want to restart but not at the bottom

[rich torrent]

I did the same thing sorta
I got a "Loot" mod that just loots the sloops and spheras from my area then bunny hopped arround the map

[steel igloo]

that's way more cheating than idling or even what I did XD

[acoustic bear]

I swear I spent 100 of my first 150 hours just running around the map

exploring and gathering and chopping down trees

[hollow hemlock]

later on you spend another 100 hours exterminating slugs and nuking trees

[acoustic bear]

I could do that again tbh. just reset the map and explore it again

[waxen locust]

I mean. in my shoes. once you've looted all harddrives 3-4 times. gets very tedious. So I just enable unlock harddrive. Especally since it'd take you. 20 hours to scan all the harddrives EVERY time. Thats 80 hours I've spent JUST unlocking the harddrives. not just collecting them.
So I save the hastle and just enable auto unlock.

[acoustic bear]

ayup

[rich torrent]

On my coop save with my buddy ast soon as we got jetpacks and blade runnes I just explored the whole map looing everything while he built factories

Good times

[normal sequoia]

Good luck it’s only the starter pack

[acoustic bear]

I'm in MAM harddrive sc anning hell right now

[steel igloo]

I wish they added a mechanic for trees to grow back if they weren't under or near foundations, like various stages of tree growth from sapling to full grown, let nature fight back a little

[acoustic bear]

yeah. some of my map chunks are barren

[waxen locust]

agreed. or atleast how ark survival has a "re-fertilizer" item. that when you use it. Regenerates some plants in an area around the player

that way you can strategically, make natural looking parts of your factory for aesthetics

[steel igloo]

what they really need to add when you "beat" the game and launch your last package up the elevator is an emote to sit down and rest

[waxen locust]

that's just. logging into a friend's save. and loggin out XD you get that exact animation

[zenith pecan]

I generally don't bomb foliage unless it would clip into what I'm building at the site.

[steel igloo]

I want to do it in mine tho, like the animation is already there, just let us sit and sip coffee as we stare into the horizon

[acoustic bear]

I slash and burn like a brazilian gold miner

[steel igloo]

I chainsaw it and load it into mass storage containers to save for later "just in case" because it never grows back

[zenith pecan]

I'd like to be allowed to build and launch more ships.

[acoustic bear]

I already have two full storage containers of solid biofuel and figure that's enough

[waxen locust]

I do that for liquid biofuel. I personally think it's the BEST fuel for the jetpack.
Not numbers wise. but automation setup wise aswell as numbers.

[steel igloo]

yeah just connect every single input to the elevator and let us keep pumping them out, thought of that too, and the best fuel is ionized by a big margin, way better than bio

[waxen locust]

The best flight time for the tier it's at. and doesn't require much/any setup. Just a packager. and a refinery.
You don't have to get to tier 8/9 for a fuel that is better

[unkempt blade]

I don't think we were ever meant to fly using more than solid biofuel. It makes the game too easy

[waxen locust]

I'm putting you in the foreever box

[steel igloo]

for years the only fuel you could fly with was, well, fuel, they added bio fuel as a consolation for people that got the jetpack early from the jet hog but couldn't use it because no fuel

[waxen locust]

not to mention. Now you can get the jetpack before fuel now too

[steel igloo]

well back then you couldn't

[unkempt blade]

They realized their mistake and let us use the only correct fuel option for jetpacks. That's just what good developers do

[waxen locust]

I'm aware XD I'm just saying about the solid biofuel.
I've been palying since U1, but fully got into the game at U2.

[unkempt blade]

they really should let it burn leaves

just like really really quickly so it's more bait than legit fuel

[steel igloo]

I'm still cranky they removed beacons entirely and broke that old nuclear recipe with 1.0, had another 9000+ hour save I'd planned to bring into 1.0 but that change broke my nuclear and I though "screw it I'll just start over again" rather than going through the hastle of having to clean up all the beacons and replace them with rotors

[waxen locust]

that's fair. but they did mention that was comming. MONTHS prior

[unkempt blade]

The main problem with beacons was managing them once you used them. The QOL on map pins is just insanely better

[waxen locust]

and even said back in U8 /U7 when they mentioned beacons was being removed

[steel igloo]

I know I'm only mildly cranky and I know WHY they did it and it's a good change it's just my entire grid would have failed and restarting that plant would have been a pain after having to redesign it esp since it was hyper optimized for the beacon method, would have required a lot of redoing stuff going up to them, just blah

[waxen locust]

I do think, they should have added an alternate recipe back then. that replaced beacons for rotors. So that players had a longer time to transfer over.
But they did give ample warning it was changing

[steel igloo]

like that map only had nuclear and geothermal and geothermal wasn't enough on it's own to power the entire pre-production uranium stuff going so I'd have to use geo to charge caps then use the caps to get the uranium pipeline going, plus that plant just sunk plutonium rods and was pre user made shards so nothing was sharded, easier to just start over

[fading whale]

I played a lot up till U7. Had build the (to me) perfect Nuclear setup, but had not started to manage waste yet. So hadn't turned on my 100 nuclear plants.
Then took a long break. Knew beacons were going away. Loaded my save once during U8 and was like "lol, nope". Waited till 1.0 and then started a new save.

[waxen locust]

both understandable XD

[steel igloo]

I just really liked my "Featurecrepot" that I made in that save, it was a glorious mess

I went to the swamp uranium mine to use that to make nukes so setup a small nuke plant there, got that done and realized "hey making nukes here if I just add a few more things I can make all the weapon stuff" so it went from nuke depot to weapon depot, then I thought "just a few more things and I can make X thing too" and by the time I was done adding a few more things it was this glorious huge cubic structure in front of the water falls that had containers on top to hold everything the game could make and all the machinery to make it all tucked inside, only imported raw resources, the inside was such a mess

oh that save also had an item duplication machine for duplicating alien protein, that was silly

it would make about 100 alien protein a day, give or take LOL

I made that in response to one of the dev videos saying they made liquid biofuel the best because it couldn't be automated, I was like "the f it can't, I know that smart splitter dupe glitch"

[unkempt blade]

yeah a mall is still a fun project even if the depot mostly replaced its function

[bitter crow]

is 5 steel beams/minute sufficent even when its used for making conveyor belts?

[knotty wasp]

what is the dif one the 4 maps as shown in #screenshots ?

[leaden turret]

all same map, just different starting biome.

[unkempt blade]

at least a couple of those look like SCIM too if you mean the stuff on the maps

[knotty wasp]

thank you~~

[leaden turret]

left to right is balanced differently in terms of resource availability for new players.

grass fields has little to no access to quartz/oil for example

[steel igloo]

grass fields also has less enemies and you gotta travel farther before you start running into spiders

[leaden turret]

still has some spooder caves

[tall lantern]

and it teaches you an important part of the game: you will need to expand

[steel igloo]

you gotta look for them tho and a lot are blocked off with rocks I believe

there's a few random holes you can fall down for your first "bad time"

[bitter crow]

ive played on both starting points and imo rocky desert is easier than the fields

[steel igloo]

desert is easiest if you've played before and know what you're doing and what you're looking for

[leaden turret]

rocky desert has convenient access to all the things and doesn't have a giant flying manta you need to build manta gates around

[knotty wasp]

but you can start on either and still get to the other?

[leaden turret]

yup

[steel igloo]

they're miles apart but yes

actual, literal miles

[fading whale]

You can even pick any of the four, go to "wherever" and start there. Entirely up to you.

[leaden turret]

kilometers, game is swedish

[knotty wasp]

mils then

[steel igloo]

start in the desert and head due south til you hit the swamp to start, lots of good pure nodes in there, easy to get resources

[leaden turret]

studio is 20% dutch, windmils

[leaden turret]

yeah, but tho

[glacial drum]

Strong believer starting during ficsmas was the best idea since it gave ya a good chunk of nobelisks. Saved me from automating them till phase 3

[fading whale]

Actually Sweden has miles too 😄
But they are a different scale than emperical miles.

[steel igloo]

I'm just kidding about the swamp thing, do not make your first playthrough starting in the swamp

[fading whale]

Do not make any playthrough in the swamp. Avoid the swamp.

[steel igloo]

dude swamp is my favorite place in the game

[fading whale]

At most it's good for a nuclear testing ground.

[quasi warren]

Its terrifying getting jumped by SPOODERS

[leaden turret]

swamp has it's own aesthetic tho https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=swamp

[glacial drum]

swamp holds me alumina factory

For which I couldn’t see for 80% of construction

[steel igloo]

in end game they're easy enough to kill or avoid but it's by far the most beautiful biome especially at night

[hidden pebble]

I have 2 rows of 7 machines which need to be fed by 3 mk6 belts. How do you suggest i distribute it?

[fading whale]

Just follow the belts 😄

[steel igloo]

the glowing giant mushroom things at night and the haunting music, I legit love that place

[quasi warren]

3 to 2 load balancer

Im sure there is a setup somewhere in the discord

[glacial drum]

#screenshots message I couldn’t fucking see

[quasi warren]

And this is why I build floodlight towers-

[hidden pebble]

The total material exceeds 2400, so i do need 3 belts. But then i need to decide how to split it among the 14 machines.

[quasi warren]

Injection manifold then maybe

[fading whale]

With Global Illumination on? Even better.

[glacial drum]

Ah you just reminded me my aluminum factory is now outdated as it uses mk5 belts…damn it all

[quasi warren]

On the 4th machine of each row, add a merger. Split the 3rd belt into both rows

Injection.

[ornate saffron]

If they wanted us to fly they'd give us the ability i. Advanced features 😅

[glacial drum]

I was gonna go nuclear bcs some smart dudes in math channel said to but I think I’m gonna stick to RF

[quasi warren]

Nuclear is good. Just a pain to deal with

[ornate saffron]

Both are great. I like rf though

[hidden pebble]

Nuclear is not anything very hard if you have automated filters.

[glacial drum]

I already have the infrastructure and knowledge of RF I’m gonna more than double my output in power and that’ll last me long past the end

of my first playthrough that is

[steel igloo]

use smart splitters on the inputs to force materials into the machines then split the 3rd belt and inject it far enough down that at least 600items/min have already been pulled off, if it's 14 total machines then inject around the 10th machine or so?

[fading whale]

I have a decent setup with RF in the Blue Crater. Feel free to ping me if you need inspiration.

[glacial drum]

Although granted I’ll probably tear down all the structure of the RF factory and belts.. I need to make them look better

[glacial drum]

If you want to send it feel free. I set my weapons up there but I have a spot on the west coast I’m using rn

#screenshots message I’ve been putting off changing it for days now but hopefully today that changes..

I plan to turn off most of my factories if needed and use my 100k+ MWh power storage to setup the RF

[reef basin]

use GWh instead of kMWh 🙂

[unkempt blade]

I like mTWh

[leaden turret]

tmwms

[steel igloo]

honestly making a good nuclear setup with no waste and figuring out how to keep the radiation under control is so satisfying lol

[unkempt blade]

Yeah it's one of the bigger logistics projects for this game. It feels good when it's all online

[steel igloo]

it's why I started running on a dedicated server, I wanted to see if I could make a reliable reactor setup that could run indefinitely without backing up radiological items, also how I discovered the splitter dupe

[fading whale]

Talking about Rocket Fuel.
#screenshots message

[fluid crow]

satisfactory 2 the nuclear plant

[ornate saffron]

After the golf update we should get a dating Sim update.

I wana date uranium. She toxic but hot

[toxic lichen]

sounds like every relationship these days

i can smell you factory carts

[fading whale]

Factory farts?

[toxic lichen]

no

[knotty wasp]

Can one kill the big flying thing in the sky?

[toxic lichen]

why would you do such a thing ;-;

[fading whale]

No. But you can ride it 🙂

[knotty wasp]

its flying thru me bulding?

[toxic lichen]

hes just having a look

[fading whale]

You build your building wrong.

[ornate saffron]

No but it likes head pats

[ornate saffron]

It doee that

[fading whale]

The big moth in the sky is sacred.

[steel igloo]

there's a couple of them, 3 or 4 I Think

[ornate saffron]

I always seen it as a ray

[ornate saffron]

Just one with a big patrol area

[steel igloo]

I thought there were more in other parts of the map

[fading whale]

@ornate saffron How are the face sockets coming along?

[toxic lichen]

i afk'd on the one in grass fields over night

[ornate saffron]

Good. I played for a hour last night and my face balls didn't ache.

[fading whale]

Nice. Good to hear.

[ornate saffron]

How fairs the rocket fuel?

[steel igloo]

wiki says 2, one over gras fields and one over northern forest

[ornate saffron]

I stand corrected

[fading whale]

Make me ache 😄
But check screenshots. Just posted. #screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

Them beams are sexy. I did something similar and ran power along them

[fading whale]

I haven't played in two weeks. Took a fall and sprained my wrist. And with working on the computer all day I can't also do this.

[ornate saffron]

Fair.

Time for architecture youtube

[fading whale]

Yup 😄

[hidden pebble]

Face balls is such a cursed way of saying eyes

[fading whale]

Not wrong though 😉

[hidden pebble]

What are face sockets tho

[wide rampart]

Wait till you hear about Chesticles...

[ornate saffron]

That or a description of my Thursday nights

[fading whale]

The containers of said eyes.

[opaque minnow]

Ther are 2 moths/rays

[hidden pebble]

Sweater puppies are far more elegant. Completely descriptive. Soft and cute like puppies. Also fun to play with

[wide rampart]

They should name you an Oracle.

[ornate saffron]

Human udders

[fading whale]

Funbags is more for me.

Anyways. This conversation too a turn 😃

[ornate saffron]

Architecture. Some fun stuff out there

[toxic lichen]

Manchesters

[fading whale]

That just sound like manboobs. 😑

[hidden pebble]

I'm sure teats are udders. So it's not a perfect substitute.

[patent hamlet]

Is there a way to understand fluids? I just built a vertical column with 2 identical oil tubes with the same identical same position pumps...And one is reaching the top fine, and the other is not...Why is that?

[toxic lichen]

stick your head in the pipe

[hidden pebble]

Improve your jokes boi 🗣️

[patent hamlet]

:(

[toxic lichen]

i will touch your chesticles boi

[fading whale]

Short answer, no 😭
But there are good guides out there.
For your question. Are the extractors at the same height?

[patent hamlet]

Yes

[steel igloo]

fluids are the worst, there's a PDF document that gives good insight on it on the wiki I think but even that isn't 100% it's sometimes trial and error

[patent hamlet]

:(

[hidden pebble]

The only 1 rule one must follow with fluids is, "keep it simple".
Clock speeds are a godsend for that.

[reef basin]

fluids are super easy if you don't do weird stuff

[ornate saffron]

Fluids can be a pain

The side that is not working. Try deleting the pipes connected to the pump the remaking them.

[steel igloo]

especially when you start getting into gasses like nitrogen and dark matter residue

[toxic lichen]

what residue?

we fw dark matter in this mf?

[hidden pebble]

Gases are more manageable imo

[hidden pebble]

Well thankfully we don't need to understand it to handle it.

[toxic lichen]

can i eat it?

[fluid crow]

presumably why we are here

[steel igloo]

when you're trying to deal with DMR waste and combine it with backup DMR from a generator to keep things going but the generator overpowers the machine making waste and there's no good way to prioritize gasses like there is liquids really

[hidden pebble]

Yeah. Natural selection.

[fading whale]

@patent hamlet A good tip for placement, is the output of the first pump should not be higher than 12m from the output of the extractor.
Use beams to visualize the headlift. For a MK2 pump it's 40m. Then build a 40m beam straight up. The next pump or top of bend/storage shoudl be belove that 40m top.

[hidden pebble]

Well, use priority mergers. Or strictly balance net crystals.

[steel igloo]

pipes don't have priority mergers

[hidden pebble]

But the crystals are solids, so they have?

[steel igloo]

I'm not talking about crystals I'm talking about DMR

[hidden pebble]

Does any recipe directly use DMR?

[patent hamlet]

I don't full understand. Can't I just do a very long vertical pipe and stack some pumps on it?

[quasi warren]

The crystals i think

[steel igloo]

ficsonium

[fluid crow]

maybe

[hidden pebble]

!wikisearch ficsonium

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=ficsonium

[patent hamlet]

aaaaah

Spoilers >_>

[hidden pebble]

So what's how much dmr you loop back and how much you produce?

[hidden pebble]

Don't open it🤣

[fading whale]

Not "just".
A pump provides a certain headlift. 40m for a MK2.
If you place the next pumpt 20 up from the first one, then your new headlift is 40 from THAT pump. Not a total of 80.
Thos meters only applies to elevation. So you go horisontal as long far as you want..

[hidden pebble]

You can, but you need to ensure the first pump starts within from 10 metres of the extractor since it only gives a lift of 10m.

[dreamy nest]

Huh

[steel igloo]

a single PA can provide enough ficsonium for 2 QE's to make ficsonium fuel but consumes double the resulting DMR so you need half DMR from the QEs and another half from converters making DMR directly but you always need a little extra being made from the converters because you can't count on things being 100% effcient over long durations

[hidden pebble]

Simply put, the previous pump's head lift is cut short if you place another pump within its headlift range.

[fading whale]

Exactly.

[quasi warren]

Wha-

[fading whale]

So for long vertical runs, you'd place a pump for each 38m (the 2m is just to give you a bit of flexibility).

[steel igloo]

talking end game "I want to make a perfectly clean nuclear power plant setup" stuff

[quasi warren]

Fair enough

[hidden pebble]

Well, if your inputs and output are balanced then how come you're not getting proper operation? Maybe let the pipes fill up then run it.

Don't make the extra

[steel igloo]

because I don't run it for 20 hours or 100 hours I run it for 5000 hours to see if I can make it perfectly reliable and over thousands of hours bugs build up and cause issues if you don't account for them

[hidden pebble]

I mean are you really gonna run it for 5k hours?

[steel igloo]

yes, I have one save with 9000 and one with 10000

[fading whale]

Would be fun with a time excelerator mod for the server when no one is online.

[steel igloo]

would probably cause more bugs tho

[hidden pebble]

Even if you start with just one converter pumping 50% of dmr into the system, at first the system will fluctuate but will eventually settle into a steady state. Maybe try a perfect balanced approach at least first.

[steel igloo]

I've been doing this stuff for 19000 hours I think I have a good idea of what happens when you try "perfectly balanced" for a long time LOL

[hidden pebble]

What happens?

Do you run the game in a server?

[steel igloo]

the game spontaneously creates extra things and if you want to have perfectly clean nuclear and you set it up "perfect" with consumption equal to input then eventually your system will back up, you have to create it with more ability to consume than you input to eat up the extra things that get generated

[hidden pebble]

So floating point errors?

[steel igloo]

see #screenshots , I somehow magically generated an entire extra non-fisile uranium, it should be an even number

[bitter crow]

Rerding steel, should i make a small "needs" factory for pioneer use and then have steel be produced when its needed OR have one big steel factory?

[steel igloo]

no, splitters get confused sometimes, esp smart splitters, when they recieve an item they put it on an output queue but something happens EXTREMELY RARELY to where it forgets and to make sure you don't lose something important like a sloop or a sphere or say the hub when that used to be an item if the system can't tell if it output an item already it will output a second one just to be sure

you don't notice it when you're dealing with 1200 concrete/min but when you're dealing with exact amounts of nuclear waste you can see it start to add up

[quasi warren]

So overclock them to be able to take more then what is needed?

The numbers will be the same

[steel igloo]

I do that but the issue is fluids and how they get weird when things happen, like if you've got it "perfect" with the 50% from the QE and 50% from a converter but an extra fisconium gets created then suddenly you have extra output that wasn't accounted for, I think the best way I've found so far is keep the converter far away from the usage point so there's some lag in the pipe so that it prefers the closer QE source but I did just (finally) get around to finishing this reactor setup so we'll see in a few months long term, the prototype setup has been working fine for well over a year tho

[steel igloo]

you're going to want a decent size steel factory but probably don't start with it, since you'll eventually get better alt recipes so maybe just start with something small to get you through a few stages then go explore for a bunch of HDDs and get the good recipes then make a bigger factory around that

[bitter crow]

ah thanks

[steel igloo]

they added that handy feature in the codex that shows you ??? for stuff when it has alt recipes and uses that you haven't unlocked yet so that cna give you a good idea if you should build something up or wait to see what alts can do, I'd say almost all alts are objectively better than the base recipe to an extent just takes more to make it, some are worse but for situations where maybe you have a lot of something else and don't want to use the normal resource to make it, like iron wire is worse from a ore to wire ratio than copper wire is but iron is more abundant in the world so you can use the copper for something iron can't do

[bitter crow]

ah i see

[steel igloo]

oh and yes obviously lol, don't keep it running on my gaming pc for 3 years straight

[wide rampart]

So, am I doing the math right that 1 pure coal node can power 8 generators?

Given I use... 3 water extractors?

[fluid crow]

and feed the pipe from both ends

how much coal depends on the minner and clock speed

[steel igloo]

mk1 is 120 without shards

120, 240, and 480 for pure

so yes 8 without overclocking

[unborn moss]

Yea thats right.

[spring hound]

Are there any mods that make the game 4 times harder?

[steel igloo]

but yeah you need to mk1 pipes to feed them all one from each end

[white dawn]

"Hard" is a difficulty metric to judge. I believe Satisfactory+ makes the game more complicated, at least. As does Refined Power

[steel igloo]

yeah like "takes more resources to do things" hard or "replace all creatures with a cross between giant gas spiders and radioactive hogs" hard

[fluid crow]

I wish I could just increase the number of elevator parts required

I don't like the phase being over as soon as you set them up

[ornate saffron]

Well you could just not.... pull the lever

[fluid crow]

is pretty un immersive

[ornate saffron]

There is no reason to rush. Set yourself a different goal. Such as not moving into the next phase until you collect all the alternate recipes before moving on to the next phase

[fluid crow]

yea I guess you have to since there aren't any basic sandbox settings like that. I'll probably ask about it in the mod discord at some point

[ornate saffron]

For those wanting a more complex experience (as mentioned above) satisfactory + is a good place to start

[leaden turret]

-# > pull the lever Kronk

[fluid crow]

all I want is a multiplier for elevator parts at this point

[ornate saffron]

Slooping is a 2x modifier

[fluid crow]

like I want to have to make 10k of something instead of 1k

[ornate saffron]

Ah gotcha

[leaden turret]

build factory for making 1k of something

underclock to 10%

problem solved

[zenith pecan]

Gotta remember the number of sloops, constructors = 1, manufacturers =4 etc.

For the 2x that is.

[ornate saffron]

Im lazy. I didn't want to type those details lol

[patent hamlet]

Do gases act like liquids in pipes? Or can I go crazy without worring abour headlift?

[zenith pecan]

No head lift issues with gass.

[teal cliff]

go crezeh

[ornate saffron]

Other then no headlift. They act like other fluids.

Also some weirdness in buffers

[patent hamlet]

It's better to just kill the biffer?

buffers*

[ornate saffron]

Best to never use buffers other then when loading fluid into a train.

Because of gas weirdness and buffers. Ppl generally package gas for long distance logistics.

[leaden turret]

can be used for aesthetics just by clipping a pipe straight through them.

[leaden turret]

see also variable headlift based on capacity

[ornate saffron]

Ya,

I use buffers for decore and nothing else

[latent gate]

There is another exception

Head lift pressure towers

Buffers are great for that

[storm crow]

can i make 1 elevator go to multiple stops?

[quasi warren]

Yes

Using the buildable floors

[storm crow]

ok?

[storm crow]

so do i add 1 long elevantor structure and multiple stops?

[quasi warren]

Yea

Max of 200m high however.

Without mods ofc

[zenith pecan]

That limit was disappointing since the thing can have like 20 stops, made it useless for the one place I'd have used them, my power station and its half mile tall towers 😡

[quasi warren]

I use a mod that removes that limit :P

I had a 400m tall elevator

[zenith pecan]

I don't mod though.

[quasi warren]

Lol

[quasi warren]

As you can tell by my name- I do

[zenith pecan]

Yeah.

[tired wraith]

how can i remove giant rocks

[quasi warren]

Which ones?

[zenith pecan]

💥

[quasi warren]

The gas rocks? Or normal giant rocks

[tired wraith]

big ones no gass

[quasi warren]

Some normal rocks cant be exploded

[tired wraith]

so i cant remove them

[quasi warren]

Some can't be removed. Yeah.

[bitter crow]

when building power towers, should i have foundations under or can i just freeball it

[quasi warren]

I usually freeball

[bitter crow]

ill do that then

[glass root]

For performance on a server with friends is it better to do modular factories or 1 mega factory?

[ornate saffron]

Is it a dedicated server?

Generally speaking megafactories are hard on hardware.

It becomes a logistics nightmare too.

In the end its a choice by the group.

I wouldnt do mega but if you do. Keep a spreadsheet of logistics lol

[zenith pecan]

The logistics aren't too bad if you allow spaces between machine groups, but the mass rendering is murder on the machine thermals.

[glass root]

Yes dedicated server

Would 8 or 10 GB of RAM suffice?

[west jackal]

did they make wood drop in higher quantites ? it feels like biomass is easier to get

[ornate saffron]

No.

[ornate saffron]

Nope. You just positioning better ^-^

[glass root]

Do we need 16?

[ornate saffron]

I have personally hit 50gb of ram usage solo

[glass root]

💀

[ornate saffron]

I am the exception not the rule. Most solos do fine with 16-32

[west jackal]

bruh what

i mean both my computers have 32gb but 50gb is ludicrous

[bitter crow]

lol

[ornate saffron]

I've modified the entity cap as well. I could not longer place things

[ornate saffron]

I have 128gb of ram on my main pc.

It was cheap at the time.

[glacial drum]

I have setup all my inputs besides the 3 nitrogen gas pipes i’ll need

Rerouted all the new inputs to the old RF factory while i setup the new one next to it

[west jackal]

i didnt know there was an entity cap

[west jackal]

for gaming ive never needed more than (realistically) 16GB but do 32 to be safe

[ornate saffron]

I dont know what the norm is. In this case though he was asking about 3-4 players on a dedicated server. I assume that most ppl have 16gb. With four players they will be making bigger meaty builds.

Since he mentioned 8-10 gb. I wanted him to know that I personally have used 5x that

[west jackal]

i know! 8-10gb def not enough, tbh i doubt even 16GB would be enough for a server of 3-4...

even if there bases arent like your beefy ones

[quasi warren]

#screenshots message wait are these beacons?? Omg I miss those

[ornate saffron]

Lol u old

[quasi warren]

Shush-

I remember when blueprints never existed

Neither did train crashing. Or signals

That was... an experience

Or when the spire coast wasnt as revamped as it is now

[west jackal]

dude be so fr

blueprints are such a nicety now, i remember placing hundreds of refineries back in the day (when there were no fluids and oil came out of the ground in barrels 🙂 )

[quasi warren]

I played after update 3. :P

I remember when the blade runners used to be in the caterium tree only

[west jackal]

yeah!

i still have to try and remember that its not caterium

[quasi warren]

Or when you only had one slot for jetpack, blade runners, gas mask, radiation suit, etc

Or when portable miners were a single stack item

So many qols were added

[quasi warren]

Same

Im like "...where's the blade runners..? Right. Quartz."

And I go hunting for that lol

[quasi warren]

Do you remember that one golden northern forest start before 1.0 released??

[humble osprey]

i wish u could press shift to make trains accelerate

maybe using a sombersloop, maybe it consumes 10x more power

maybe u have to supply it with nitrous oxide

[west jackal]

sorta, its been so long lol

[humble osprey]

but i want a mechanic that solidifies trains as a legitimate means of personal transport

[west jackal]

if they remove hypertube cannons it would be lol

[quasi warren]

Had 4 pure iron. 2 pure quartz. One coal node perfect for coal power. A bunch of caterium and sulfer. + 1 pure limestone and 2 pure copper. They sniped the quartz and coal

So from then on I started in the dune desert

[west jackal]

yeah ive been doing DD for a while, the dual coal near the east coast is my go to for early game power

[quasi warren]

Near the swamp like area?

Or atleast close to the swamp

With... 4 nodes of coal? 1 normal. One pure. 2 impure

[west jackal]

uh its pretty far from the swamp

[quasi warren]

Im a bafoon

Thought that said west

My first coal plant in the DD is usually near that one coast reasonably close to the swamp

[quasi warren]

With this coal.

[ornate saffron]

Tell me about how zoop wasn't a thing and you had to place them one at a time

[quasi warren]

Hell on earth.

[steel igloo]

problem is once you get portals anything else is just too slow

[quasi warren]

Im so glad zooping was added

[west jackal]

that was why i found smart mod

[dreamy nest]

Wait there are portals

When do you get that? Lol

[west jackal]

spoiler!!

[quasi warren]

What tier or phase r u on rn

[dreamy nest]

Seven or eight?

[steel igloo]

way endgame, also they're expensive af to maintain

[west jackal]

i restarted so im phase 1 😛

[quasi warren]

Next tier then

If ur on tier 8

[dreamy nest]

Ty

[west jackal]

question

do you guys automate smart plating for phase 1 or wait till you get better recipes/machines?

i have rotors and RIP automated, but not sp

[dreamy nest]

RIP?

[quasi warren]

I do basic smart plating automated, and leave it like that for a while. As some of my mods require smart plating to be used

[quasi warren]

Reinforced iron plates

[dreamy nest]

Oh

Duh. Ty. Hadn't abbreviated it before

[steel igloo]

do you mean run belts to the machine that makes them? you can't make them by hand they have to be made by an assembler

[quasi warren]

You were here in 2019?? Dang

[steel igloo]

you can just take a few RIPs and rotors and stick them in the input queue I think one stack of each is enough

[quasi warren]

Some people wait for alternate recipes

[west jackal]

thats what ive done in past, wasnt sure what others though