satisfactory

[glacial drum]

If you collect the ore you’re doomed

[junior jolt]

why would i be doomed

[stone quiver]

Are you really irradiated until you die if you pick up ore

[ivory condor]

Death awaits

[feral jay]

The moment you have even a single uranium ore in your inventory, you take max radiation damage

[glacial drum]

the closer you get to the ore the worse the damage. picking it up or standing ontop of it deals the most

[cunning glade]

So peaceful

[junior jolt]

oh

[stone quiver]

I didn't feel like crafting more than 100 filters to see if there ever was an end to the radiation

[junior jolt]

yeah okay that wouldnt be fun thrn

[feral jay]

Automate the filters

[peak wasp]

automate everything

[junior jolt]

wait uranium

what

that isnt in stage 2

[stone quiver]

And? I didn't have uranium or cells on me for like 10 minutes

I found it quicker to die than live on an endless supply of filters

[glacial drum]

some bug causes you to never lose radiation sometimes

[ivory condor]

Only pick up the uranium ore if you want to die

[glacial drum]

only solution is death

[junior jolt]

ow i died to an alpha spider anyway

[stone quiver]

Ya it ruined my hardcore run in p5.

[junior jolt]

nearly got the purple

at what point can i get synthetic power slugs

[glacial drum]

the final phase in the game

[cunning glade]

Late

Don't worry a lot of slugs and sloop them

[feral jay]

You won't need synthetic shards until pretty late, I don't have that recipe yet and I have like 800 or so shards stockpiled

[hollow hemlock]

yeah exterminate those pesky glowy slimeworms

[glacial drum]

Unlock sloopimg asap and try to avoid using your slugs till then

then sloop em and get the most

[junior jolt]

what are the blue things in high speed connectors, and can i get it in stage 2

[glacial drum]

sounds like plastic

[junior jolt]

yeah it is

[glacial drum]

i think that’s tier 3 but idk

[junior jolt]

ah

[willow pond]

could maybe run across some from drop ships

[glacial drum]

Tier 5 - Oil Processing

phase 3

[junior jolt]

man theres so much i cant do in the mam yet

[glacial drum]

Yea I just finished mine today over 200 hours into the game

[junior jolt]

chat is gas mask any good

[glacial drum]

yes

[stone quiver]

If you like living

[fluid crow]

turns gas into a positive some times 😼

[stone quiver]

Slooping is too broken. It essentially cuts all requirements in half , which makes me wonder are the space elevator reqs made expecting you to sloop elevator parts or not

[fluid crow]

I just wish there was a setting for like 10x parts required

[feral jay]

It also drastically increases power consumption which becomes a big issue with accelerators and converters and whatnot, and they are limited

[fluid crow]

partial accelerator using 30GW has its costs

[stone quiver]

Power is only an issue in p5 really, if you're gonna just semi-auto your elevator parts with a manufacturer and some crates, power isn't really gonna spike enough to bother

But yes, my first point sink is eating 40-50k power like it's nothing.

[junior jolt]

according to ada i can upgrade miners to mk2?

how does one do this

[fluid crow]

in one of the phases

[junior jolt]

yeah i unlocked advanced steel production and i can upgrade them without deleting the miner?

[fluid crow]

yep

they do auto replace

if you put a mk2 on it

[stone quiver]

All your buildings that have upgrades you can just hover over and replace

[junior jolt]

oh what

so i dont need to gut all my conveyor belts to make them mk2?

anyway now ive unlocked the third part, i think its time to completely gut my base and restart from scratch again

hypertubes. worth it?

[stone quiver]

1000%

[junior jolt]

is it a lot per unit to make tho

[feral jay]

THey change everything

[feral jay]

You do need a fair bit of copper and steel pipes

[stone quiver]

Expensive is relative

Automate and dump stuff into containers, it just piles up

[junior jolt]

im literally min maxxing the game atp, i am only running setups for phase equipment

before hypertubes are zip lines the best way to get around

[feral jay]

Ziplines, or build a very, very tall ladder, and use the parachute

[stone quiver]

There's ways you can abuse movement if that's your goal.

But hypertubes are the best passive transport imo

[junior jolt]

cos i can go for expanded power infra to use those power lines

[feral jay]

With hypertubes I can jump in them and grab a coffee, and not worry about it

[junior jolt]

but if hypertubes are worth it

[junior jolt]

oh it takes that long?

[feral jay]

It's a big map

[junior jolt]

oh from end to end

[feral jay]

yeah

[stone quiver]

Even from your starting biome to a neighboring factory you're building

[feral jay]

Hypertubes are great sometimes because they're hands off

[stone quiver]

You're not gonna want to manually run it a dozen times

[junior jolt]

do i need reinforced steel beams for it at all

or much

cos i dont have auto reinforced steel beams set up yet

[feral jay]

You need them anyway

And you should probably spend some time on the wiki

It's quite comprehensive

[reef basin]

If you are fine with spoilers

[feral jay]

true

[junior jolt]

ive had a bit of a look

anyway ive unlocked hypertubes woo

might make a few more dd’s, upload some shi

computer is tier 6 nah bro

[pliant quarry]

computers are not fun to deal with

[junior jolt]

anyway now im having a break, time to plan my rebuild for high tier 4, and to have a look at t5 and t6 on wili

would 25h in be good for finishing stage 2

cos i reckon i can get the third part for phase two done in 4h or less

[hollow hemlock]

I don't know how you are defining "good" there. Sure, finishing the tier, if that is your goal, could be good

[thorn cave]

how do i make only one type of item go in the train station

im tryina load some crude oil up

but i also need the empty cansters back

[knotty bear]

Hi I'm new I've played this game for 1 week and have around 44.2 hours of playtime and have stayed up till 1AM repeatedly playing. Currently doing phase 3.

[thorn cave]

i got 70 hours and im still on phase 2 lol

[knotty bear]

I've been playing multiplayer with somebody who got to phase 3.

[hollow hemlock]

2 freight cars might be your friend here

...me I'd just be lazy and sink the empty cartons

[knotty bear]

Oh yeah when do I unlock like, sorters for belts.

[reef basin]

use pipes instead of canisters

no reason to package/unpackage

[thorn cave]

yk i think i figured it out i just used a smart splitter and made the inputs and outputs of the train loaders loop so that the heavy oil will just cycle through and the empty canisters will go too the packagers

[thorn cave]

more storage

[reef basin]

not really true, since you need double the cars to move canisters back

(or you'll sink them, at which point you're using excess resources)

[thorn cave]

yea honestly i got no idea what im doin

[reef basin]

or just process the oil onsite and not move it anywhere

[thorn cave]

nah id rather just move it to where i wanna proccess it

[hollow hemlock]

trains moving stuff around is more cool

[thorn cave]

so ur sayin just use fluid train loaders?

[knotty bear]

my dumb ahh just died to radiation tf

I still haven't unlocked trains to my knowledge

[reef basin]

I mean it's most likely gonna go to depot anyway, so you can really place it anywhere - so ideally near the resources

[reef basin]

fluid trains are completely fine. Do like one car per pipe and you're golden

[thorn cave]

i got like 900 oil/min coming in so id assume 3 cars?

[hollow hemlock]

you can load/unload that with just one, but the round trip time of your train will factor in

oh you only have mk 1 pipes, you'll need at least 2 then

[reef basin]

if it's 3 pipes, then yeah

[thorn cave]

i got mk 2 pipes

[reef basin]

don't forget to buffer the train platforms

e.g. https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/932761153703149659/1250900438446903306

[thorn cave]

yea ik that from doc's shorts

[hollow hemlock]

I like the big buffers for trains, double stack too because coolness factor

[thorn cave]

i assumed that if you package it id get more storage

[reef basin]

wdym by doublestack

[hollow hemlock]

2 of the big buffers, one atop the other

[reef basin]

well, while you can fit double the amount of liquid in one car if packaged, you also need to have either double the cars so that you can load canisters on the way back, or have second station to load the canisters after unloading the oil (as well as having whole packaging/unpackaging setup)

so it's not really that good

[reef basin]

why two though?

one buffer is already more than enough

[hollow hemlock]

one for each port on teh station, also because it looks cool

[reef basin]

you want the liquid to only go to buffer when platform is closed, not go through it all the time

[feral jay]

also because it looks cool
That's as good a reason as any

[thorn cave]

k i thoght that 900/min was alot and that id need it

apparently not

[reef basin]

you never need it, no matter how much you're transporting

[thorn cave]

alr

[sleek creek]

Is there a mod that gives you a bigger blueprint machine than the MK3? I found a couple but they are not on the mod manager.

[reef basin]

like, you would save one (or possibly two) cars, which is one or two platforms... at the cost of having more stations or more cars (again), and also a whole packaging and unpackaging setup

[reef basin]

probably better to ask in modding discord

but tbh mk3 is already gigantic

[willow pond]

ok this has to be intentional: found a pod with gunpowder as the unlock, and the 2 nearest nodules are sulfur & coal

[feral jay]

Wait would buffering liquid with a single buffer before a platform make any difference? The buffer can still only put out 600/min. You'd need two buffers, no? (Been a spell since I used liquid trains)

[reef basin]

see the image I linked above 🙂 https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/932761153703149659/1250900438446903306

[feral jay]

Ah, yes, that would work

[junior jolt]

is it worth a hard drive for compacted coal

wait nvm i dont have sulfur

[hollow hemlock]

it certainly is eventually, that;s the path to turbofuel and rocket fuel

[junior jolt]

okay so its worth trying to find sulfur in the area where i have my 4 veins of coal

[willow pond]

but yes, worth grabbing

need it for the sulfur MAM tree anyway

[hollow hemlock]

I guess you could also use it in a coal generator, I never have myself though

[stark blade]

collect because you can make stuff explode >:D

[junior jolt]

oooh

[stark blade]

sulphur and coal

get a decent ammount of both and go down the sulfur research tree to get

b o m b 💣

[reef basin]

there's more hard drives than you'll need

though personally I don't like turbofuel (and its branch) for power

[stark blade]

maby not for power but its op as hell for jetpack fule

[junior jolt]

oh yeah jetpacks

[reef basin]

possibly. There's so many jetpack fuels and every one has different purpose, so depends on situation I guess

[stark blade]

also building anymore than 50 fule power genereators for turbofule gets real old real fast

[willow pond]

i thought liquid biofuel was the best for jetpack

[junior jolt]

i need to look at the wiki theres so many things i dont understand here

[hollow hemlock]

ionized goes wheeeeee, liquid biofuel goes hang forever while negotiating with the locals

[stark blade]

correct
however ionized fule is just op all round so its worth getting anyway

[stark blade]

exactily

[reef basin]

except for burn time

[willow pond]

there's a reason i have 600 big containers in the middle of the map

[reef basin]

well, depends how do you define "best" 🙂

different definitions of "best" lead to different fuels being "best"

[willow pond]

doesn't it provide the highest vertical distance you can go?

[reef basin]

if the only property you care about is "highest vertical distance", then ionized does most, then RF, then packaged LBF

[hollow hemlock]

if you want highest vertical distance, buy the stairs in the awesome shop and bring a bunch of concrete

[willow pond]

oh right, last time i checked RF & ionized didn't exist

[reef basin]

why not ladders? or vertical hypertube?

[hollow hemlock]

that works too

I guess you could just place foundations and powerpoles and hoverpack your way to heaven too

[junior jolt]

w

do you need exits for hypertubes or do you just pop out

nvm the wiki carried

[willow pond]

horrible admission: i've never actually built a functional hypertube cannon that takes me from base to base

[hollow hemlock]

that's easy, build one that launches you out of the map, then start peeling back the end of it until it lands you somewhere you want to be. Then build a base there

[willow pond]

oh i know, i've just never done it because my luck with physics engines in horrible and the fun bugs/exploits never seem to work for me

in another game i had a mechanic with a 1% failure chance fail me 11x in a row

[junior jolt]

cannon? how would you survive the fall damage

[willow pond]

parachute

[junior jolt]

man then i have to find mycelia

[reef basin]

good on you for not abusing "bugs"

[willow pond]

oh i 100% did the cart "feature" before 1.0 dropped

[junior jolt]

bro im looking at t5, i accidentally press a few buttons and i see "particle accelerator" what the hell

what does this game become

[willow pond]

lol

NO SPOILERS

[digital holly]

How do people handle drones? I’m trying to get my head around the most efficiency way to run them but best I’ve got is to have a series of fuel drones that head from my power plant off to other ports to drop off fuel. Is there a better way to prevent having so many drones down the line?

[reef basin]

you can use non-drone method of delivering fuel (e.g. trains)
but you need to deliver some fuel somehow 🤷

that's the cost of "convenience" of having transportation with basically no infrastructure required

[digital holly]

That’s not a bad idea actually, a fuel train circling the map. The drones don’t use so much that one train couldn’t do that loop im sure right?

[reef basin]

idk, I personally wouldn't use drones much (as most things are built near nodes, so don't need transporting)

[hollow hemlock]

it's a bit excessive, you can just have a separate drone doing the fuel supply

[digital holly]

Drones can’t be set multiple stops can they?

I’m still not sure what I plan to use drones for other than when I tackle nuclear lol I have 1 set up taking packaged fuel back to home base just as a test drone for how to use them 😂

[reef basin]

no, drone goes from home port to target port and back, nothing more

[willow pond]

proposal: 2 drones to pick up a train car

[hollow hemlock]

no, I set mine up such that I have one (maybe 2) fuel source ports with no drone homed there. Then whatever resource I'm transporting...lets say nitrogen because that one tends to be far out of the way - I'll have one port thats source-nitrogen and one right next to it fuel-nitro with a drone set to go to source-fuel (note that no source port has a drone homed there)

[toxic lichen]

wdym i gotta use up 2 whole hard drives for mam research ;-;

thats some bs

[digital holly]

Ah gotcha! Think this is going to fully depend on how many drones I use, if it’s a few I can easily just set up a drone hub at the power source to fly out some fuel, if it’s on the train line just let a train do it. This is what happens when you neglect your infrastructure 😂

[hollow hemlock]

you get 4 or 5 extras, and if you're really ambitious you can buy a harddrive in the awesome shop

[toxic lichen]

is compacted coal like
amazing or

[digital holly]

Leads to rocket fuel which is so worth it

[mortal ginkgo]

they really matter for phase 3. you dont need them if you didn't look around for some hard drives yet.

phase 3 and beyond, that is.

[mortal ginkgo]

that comes very later

[toxic lichen]

ive collected like
20-30 drives so far

[digital holly]

Tbh I’ve got so many unclaimed alts that sacrificing a few hard drives for that was so worth it

[reef basin]

there's more drives than you need (and worst case you can buy extra)

[toxic lichen]

i just need to do the research to scan for em

ive done many hours just running aimlessly

[mortal ginkgo]

You can surely give 2 hard drives easily then.

btw those MaM researches you see were back than actual hard drive recipes before 1.0 . Thats why they ask for hard drive to be researched.

So instead of hoping to get them when needed by RNG, now you get them guaranteed by MaM

[hollow hemlock]

sure, just saying that harddrives are not a use it for that or use it for this resource, they're a use it for this now,...get more...use it for that later

[digital holly]

Also worth it if you’re a purist and don’t use 3rd party sites

[toxic lichen]

thats a fair
trade off

[mortal ginkgo]

yes but they also cost 100 coupons soooooooooooooo...

[hollow hemlock]

go on a massive hog hunt,make sure to bring sloops to the butcher

[toxic lichen]

i had 160 coupons
bought
stuff for looks
Down to 2 :>

[reef basin]

and you still have excess even without buying

[mortal ginkgo]

Correct.

[digital holly]

I have 250 atm lol I’m saving for golden nut 🙏🏻

[toxic lichen]

i had 200 spitter remains ;-; last night
from hunting

[mortal ginkgo]

The guy was wondering why they costed hard drives, so they got the answer.

[toxic lichen]

i did indeed

[mortal ginkgo]

Now all he needs to do is EXPAND the factory.

because thats all needs to be done.

[toxic lichen]

man :/

im seeing that my newest build was a bit
poopoo
and tearing to down is gonna take ages
and hurt

but it is getting me 6 hmf / min so

[hollow hemlock]

I do wish there was a faster way to demolish for sure

[reef basin]

demolish what?

[hollow hemlock]

a factory I dont want anymore

[toxic lichen]

my factory
building ;-;

[reef basin]

just keep it running

[willow pond]

ficsit does not waste

[hollow hemlock]

you clearly didnt see the "I dont want anymore", if its there I cant put something else where it is

[reef basin]

the map is huge, put it elsewhere 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

You are missing the point that he doesn't want it. Its existence annoys him. And he probably likes the place he built it so he wants to rebuild it.

[clear mesa]

Ragebait

[mortal ginkgo]

no u

[toxic lichen]

i swear ive seen a clip of someone exploding their building and it actually breaking apart

[mortal ginkgo]

you can use SCIM website to load your save, select the area you want to delete and get all the items in crates near you.

It works flawlessly

[hollow hemlock]

They didnt miss the point, they didnt care. It's fine

[mortal ginkgo]

They mostly pretend that by using nuclear nobelisk

[toxic lichen]

ah

we need a demolish this and everything attached to it ;-;

veinmine my factory rq

[mortal ginkgo]

#satisfactory message

^

[toxic lichen]

if you make a mistake oh well
guess youre remodelling

[toxic lichen]

feels
mildly cheaty
and effort

[mortal ginkgo]

Its not cheating because you are not gaining anything extra other than your precious time trying to delete everything in 50 items per attempt.

[hollow hemlock]

Too tempting to reveal the map, unlock all recipes and give myself a bazillion sloops while I'm there 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

I kek at you. Kek.

[hollow hemlock]

and delete all that nuclear waste I'm stockpiling

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, I mildly respect someone who wants to delete an entire factory in the game.

Only mildly, mind you.

[thorn cave]

im tryina make a turbo fuel factory, im looking at the input for sulfur and i cannot beleve my eyes rn

1600 a minute is crazy

for reference, my current conveyors can only handle a max of 480 a min

[mortal ginkgo]

do not terribly die on it right now. 1600/min is ridiculous and you dont need it. Use Fuel instead.

You will use turbofuel as an input for Rocket Fuel next phase, which you dont need alot for and its ridiculously more powerful.

[thorn cave]

i have no idea how to handle that much

[thorn cave]

i mean i got both the dilluted fuel alternate and the packaged diluted fuel recipies rn so i dont even know if thats good enogh for what i need or how much power itll make with my input being 900 crude oil a min

[hollow hemlock]

you can also start out smaller with turbofuel

[mortal ginkgo]

dilluted gets you once again, ridiculous amount of Fuel. You dont need Turbofuel for your power. Also tap more Crude Oil. It won't make my mom come after you.

Again, dont automate turbo fuel to that massive degree. Rocket Fuel will replace it rather easily.

[reef basin]

don't automate either, nuclear will replace it

[thorn cave]

according to the planner i got its 2400/min witch is yea insane amounts but im wondering exatly how much power that is

[mortal ginkgo]

way too much power for phase 3. Go Phase 4, go rocket fuel.

[thorn cave]

alr then if you say so, i havent even gotten to phase 3 yet lol

[mortal ginkgo]

how are you making turbo fuel brotherman? you need fuel from phase 3 😛

[reef basin]

you can also stay at diluted fuel and then go nuclear 🙂

[thorn cave]

mam research

[mortal ginkgo]

Why should he skip the most easy to setup fuel is beyond me.. I don't get some people really.

[swift turret]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=XRr8DIHS5QxGB35LeoIO This is what I used for my turbo fuel its more reasonable.

I just overclocked all my machines

[mortal ginkgo]

yes but you still need Fuel. And you are able to tap on Crude Oil. You are AT Phase 3.

[thorn cave]

oh

oke then

[thorn cave]

M O R E P O W E R

[swift turret]

waste of time

Skip to turbo and get more power that will last you until nuclear

[mortal ginkgo]

what I mean is that Greeny guy. He says you can go directly to Nuclear while you can actually go Rocket Fuel first, get some good power going, and THEN go Nuclear.

I don't get some people.

I don't get THOSE people.

But I get you. You are a brotherman.

[hidden pebble]

I thought of de-automating my rocket fuel production after setting up my nuclear but then my nuclear setup is gonna need a massive amount of power to work properly

[thorn cave]

oh yea u right

[silk rose]

Nuclear is complcated

I only want uranium for nukes

[reef basin]

base nuclear is super easy

[swift turret]

also @thorn cave #screenshots message This sketch makes no sense since you're transporting oil to the blue crater lake which already has over 2k oil there already

[mortal ginkgo]

And rocketfuel is even easier...

[silk rose]

In blue crater

[reef basin]

RF is just "add more things to fuel to get more power", it's literally more complex than base fuel

[swift turret]

its capped. First 100k is easy but when you wanna expand to the million it gets super complicated

[reef basin]

so "most easy fuel" is indeed just "fuel"

[mortal ginkgo]

95% of the playerbase that has massive amount of rocket fuel setups and showcasing their images in reddit etc surely disagrees with you.

[thorn cave]

no bc when i do a scan the only crude oil it finds is right over there its on the right side of the map

[swift turret]

no theres like 8 nodes in the blue crater

[sleek creek]

I hate that you cannot post screenshots in this channel.

[reef basin]

95% of playerbase doesn't post anything on reddit, so your statistics are flawed by only looking at the small portion of people that do

and the fact that many people do something doesn't mean it's a good idea

[mortal ginkgo]

If you need that much rocketfuel, everything can get complicated I guess 😛

[reef basin]

what do you want to post?

[swift turret]

If you wanna make big setups. That requires more power. Nuclear is easy to increase in size. Rocket is not

[thorn cave]

ion see it do it not show up on the scanner or are you talkin bout the lake?

[swift turret]

you gotta save your coal for diamonds

[reef basin]

diamonds don't always need coal

[mortal ginkgo]

for being such an active space, if only 5% is posting in reddit, we truly are a massive community indeed.

Its not flawed though. I am very sorry to say that. You can even see that via screenshots shared here, all the talks about rocket fuel etc.

Nuclear is not a good option for having a waste. People don't like waste.

[mortal ginkgo]

I will just disagree though. With dilluted fuel setup and rocket fuel's default recipe, it is truly easy to get ridiculous amount of Rocket Fuel and yolo power.

[sterile blade]

I think many find Oil-based power easier (both to start things and to scale up) as it involves less different items and production steps.
Nuclear needing a lot of items makes things look more complex if one just looks at the number of different production lines involved

[thorn cave]

is this "crater" hidden like sam ussaly is or what cuz im not seeing it

[silk rose]

4 iirc

[mortal ginkgo]

bottom right corner of the map, it got everything included to make rocket fuel in ridiculous amounts

[green fiber]

Ita a big lake

And the entire area is pretty blue

[thorn cave]

alr ill check it out rq

[swift turret]

6

[mortal ginkgo]

I disagree. I saw a fair amount of red there too!

[swift turret]

3 pure, 2 impure, 1 normal

[mortal ginkgo]

that makes it 4 pure nodes

[reef basin]

reddit has 304k people, like 1/10 of those are posting
game has confirmed 1m+ sales (most likely way more, been a long time since last shared number)

also, nuclear can be done without waste

[swift turret]

we dont talk about ficsonium

[reef basin]

don't need ficsonium to do wasteless

[swift turret]

sure blenders

turn into something sinkable

[reef basin]

like PFR

[mortal ginkgo]

Doesn't mean reddit is "special kind of people". They are from the community. If 95% of the power-posts are related to Rocket fuel and NOT Nuclear, one can safely assume everyone else who are not posting also going rocket fuel.

Majority of the questions are about Fuel and Pipes.
Minority of all the questions are about Nuclear and if it is useful + some screenshots of Nuclear Setups.

I am very sorry but majority agrees that Rocket Fuel is BEYOND more than enough to finish the game.

They just need to tap 2 pure oil nodes.

Also sinking plutonium fuel rode doesn't feel right. People would want to use such powerful fuel to begin with.

Even if it got REALLY low amount of waste, doesn't make it more preferable by majority.

It is still a ticking bomb for what people thinks. And what people thinks is important.

[reef basin]

I never said you need NF
buy you also never need RF, game can be beaten on single biomass gen

it all depends on a scale you build on

[mortal ginkgo]

You are again doing this "dodge move" of yours and I don't got much time to deal with it.

Next time tell them to go biomass build because its easier to make tons of it with sloops. Don't tell them to "go Nuclear instead" because Biomass Burner is enough to finish the game.

[reef basin]

people are scared because they repeat mantras from pre-plutonium, it's the same as "screw screws" and similar. People repeat things without thinking about it, because they heard it from "trusted source" and don't validate it

[reef basin]

that wasn't my point at all

[mortal ginkgo]

aright

telling people to "go nuclear instead of RF" was just wild though, not gonna lie.

[swift turret]

Its valid

[mortal ginkgo]

I didn't say it was invalid.

I said it was rather, wild.

[swift turret]

bio -> Coal -> Turbo -> Nuclear

[reef basin]

if you are gonna do nuclear anyway, I wouldn't want to waste time and resources with RF/TF

[mortal ginkgo]

some goes Coal -> Nuclear as well. hell, some actually went for Biomass to Nuclear because they used sloops.

[reef basin]

RF is fine if you won't go nuclear

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, these are all ULTRA wild claims made by veteran players

[swift turret]

I do turbo cuz I need 30-50k to last until phase 4

[mortal ginkgo]

but telling to skip RF itself is truly wild and I HATE how good RF is.

[reef basin]

which you can easily get from diluted fuel alone

[thorn cave]

anyone elses factory just running off hopes and dreams?

[swift turret]

Im not doing massive amounts of machines with diluted fuel

[reef basin]

you're doing massive amount of machines with TF 🤷

[swift turret]

overclocking

[reef basin]

you can overclock DF as well

same argument 😉

[swift turret]

got away with 50k doing like 20 machines per section

6 water extractors and 12 HOR

then doing the 200 gens

[reef basin]

number of gens doesn't change between TF and DF

[green fiber]

Its just the number of gens to consume all the made fuel thats different

[swift turret]

im not dealing with 4k water and 2k HOR

thats insane

[green fiber]

5000 MW of Turbofuel takes as many generators as 5000 MW of Rocket Fuel or normal Fuel

[reef basin]

800 fuel (40 gens, 10 GW) is just 18 machines (non-clocked)
so 50 GW would be 90 machines at 100% clock speed and the same 200 gens

[swift turret]

I know im looking at the math

I aint dealing with all that

[green fiber]

2k hor is just barely 4 mk 2 pipes

But if you aint made for big factories ig thats just that

[reef basin]

and with blend TF (idk which recipe you're using), it's still 11 machines per 40 gens

[green fiber]

Still 800 fuel gens is lunacy

I would never approve

I fixed one of those factories once. Never touching that many ever again

[reef basin]

and that's if you're not building it in small blueprintable modules

[thorn cave]

hey so im in the middle of constructing the power plant and quick question: is it better to use power shards or not because it says to use 30 refinerys into 40 refinerys and personally i think id be easier to do 30 refinerys->30 refinerys(using power shards)

[toxic lichen]

what is ficsonium ;-;

[thorn cave]

no clue

[toxic lichen]

do whichever way you like it
just gotta make sure it splits off evenly

think youd be boosting each of them to 133%
if my math is mathing

[thorn cave]

alr i was asking because i dont know if it would be too inefficient

[thorn cave]

smth like that

[toxic lichen]

you could make it 30 - 20
15 - 20
go wild ;-;

[thorn cave]

possibly

[toxic lichen]

3000% - 4000%
could make it 12 -> 16
to save space

every 3 pushes into 4

[thorn cave]

uhh bigger question tho, how am i supposed to manage 2400 packaged water AND fuel using 480/min conveyers

[toxic lichen]

bigger conveyors

[thorn cave]

oo prob

[toxic lichen]

even with mk6

youd need 2 conveyors

[thorn cave]

i cant bro best i got is mk.4

[reef basin]

clocking is indeed very powerful logistical tools for cases like these

shards are technically unlimited, so you shouldn't worry about using them, though they come at cost of increased power consumption in machines

if you don't want to use shards, you could do 40:40 and underclock instead

[toxic lichen]

that is also a way e'-e'
make each of em what
67% for the 30s

[reef basin]

75%

[toxic lichen]

well
for the 40s

[toxic lichen]

its too early for math mb

[thorn cave]

i think ill use shards since i can always sloop em easy

alr

[green fiber]

Endgame magical IKEA lamp

[toxic lichen]

sloops are finite

[toxic lichen]

i need it

[green fiber]

Get to the last phase then

[toxic lichen]

man :/

i need to make computers
and all that jazz

grabbed caterium comp alt tho

[thorn cave]

my max consuming for power is 5k MW and im producing about 3000k MW rn am i cooked or what

[reef basin]

*GW 🙂

[tall lantern]

just means you may need another power source soon. No different to any other point of the game

"my max consuming is 30MW but my biomass burners can only produce 40MW"

[wispy osprey]

Big conveyors = thousands of mats per minute

A thousand of anything per minute is decently overkill

At least individually!

It's funny how numbers crunch down very rapidly when manufacturing gets involved

[vapid zinc]

Attempt #35 to setup a trainline, god this is the worst thing to do in this game 🙁

But drones are just too unreliable 🙁

[thorn cave]

i just watched some tutorials and its easy for me at least

[wispy osprey]

Material management by yourself is the most challenging task you can really do

[vapid zinc]

Easier with auto connect, so I just made a blueprint for 4 train lines (2 top, 2 bottom), it's deciding on the route that always gets me

[thorn cave]

i just use one two way train and it works just fine, maybe its cuz im in a lower phase of the game

[vapid zinc]

Oh I'm just doing 4 as it takes the same amount of work and hopefully I'll never ever have to add more, avoiding a possibly future problem 😄

[reef basin]

4 are pointless

trains will always use shortest route, so they will only ever use one of the two rails in one direction

(unless you make them separate systems, though that seems weird)

[vapid zinc]

Seperate system

[reef basin]

if they never connect then that's fine

but honestly still practically never needed, you don't have that many trains unless you specifically add them just for the sake of adding them

and in the case when you really have them, it's still better to build the rails directly from A to B rather than having all use same section of rail and optimise that section for throughput

(but ofc your save, your rules - do whatever you want, I'm just giving recommendations)

[vapid zinc]

Since I don't enjoy building these train lines my reason is simple; better have them and not need them than having to go through this again to solve issues

[reef basin]

if you don't enjoy building them, then don't build ahead of time at all, build what you need now 🙂

[vapid zinc]

That's what i am doing now yeah

But these 4 lines require the same amount of clicks as one

[hidden pebble]

I'm out of time crystals😔
I was making them off of 220 coal. Too lazy to set a proper factory up.

[little goblet]

Can you motivate me to finish my concrete plant? I cannot bring myself to finish that thing, it will need about 50 more hours before it’s finished 😭

[vapid zinc]

... how much concrete are you making ?

[reef basin]

you probably only need like 600/min max, and even that's probably a bit much. Tho I guess depends on your build speed

[meager basin]

Guys, is this good idea?
So my plan is to build one factory for every needed component around the map, near nodes and that. These factories would have a train loading station, there would be main line around the map which transports components to another factories to be processed. Are there any problems with this? Does anybody here have experience with this?

[reef basin]

imo it's pretty bad idea. Better to make a factory that produces final product to storage directly from raw materials that are near the factory

[vapid zinc]

Concrete is used for more things than building though..

[meager basin]

i mean, basic components like screws and plates would be made in factories which needs them to make more complicated stuff, but factories which need more complex parts would get these parts shipped

[reef basin]

and those things should make their own concrete onsite, instead of making centralised concrete factory

[reef basin]

I get that, but that's logistical hell

better to make the components on demand in the factories that need them

see also https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[meager basin]

im just struggling with routing everything to where it needs to

[meager basin]

so like, i should make everything from scratch?

[vapid zinc]

I have tried your idea but this becomes a giant clusterfuck very quick, also it will make it a pain in the ass to backtrack what's still available

And then there's the problem where you need 200 iron plates and only have 120 available, you'll expand but for the next project (or 3 later) you lack 50 again and it keeps going

[reef basin]

it's one way to play, but very much recommended

you remove so many points where things can go wrong or complex

and building a factory turns just into "where can I find place that has the resources I need", possibly with "how can I import these few resources that are far". No need to worry about distribution or lack of intermediates

[meager basin]

it seems easier than to make everything from scratch again

[reef basin]

it's not really that much "easier", since you still make same amount of machines (for same amount of product)

<@&387163995947270144> have some fun

[vapid zinc]

Aren't you supposed to be at school ?

[meager basin]

but why would i build factories for simpler components like modular frames if i wouldnt be using them for production anywhere else

[tall lantern]

build gun, milestones

mainly the former

[meager basin]

when everything that needs frames would already make them in one building

[meager basin]

ah so

[reef basin]

for personal use

practically all factories are making final products for personal use anyway

[winged herald]

why cant water extractors be nudged with the arrow keys like everything else. kinda dumb

[reef basin]

same as miners can't be nudged 🙂

[tall lantern]

miners have fixed attachment points though

[winged herald]

i mean that kinda makes sense though theres one spot they can go

[tall lantern]

it would be nice to be able to nudge extractors

[winged herald]

water extractors have an entire body of water to go on

[tall lantern]

check if there's a post on the QA site

[vapid zinc]

I just spend 15 hours building my final step for nuclear pasta, modular frames will end up being one of the most complex items in the game at the end of the line

It will go modular frame => heavy modular frame > fused modular frame > pressure conversion cube > nuclear pasta

[meager basin]

how do you manage to make all of that in one building

[vapid zinc]

I don't, I make each cube in a different factory

[meager basin]

!THAT S WHAT I MEAN

you transport them to where they need to go

[vapid zinc]

Not really, you're talking about screws

Here we are talking about items that finish with 20 items per minute

[meager basin]

screws would be made in place

my formulation was kinda janky

[vapid zinc]

Ah right, well in hindsight I wish I made this one giga tower instead of relying on drones. But it works so far

[meager basin]

the transport would happen with trains or belts on shorter distance

[tall lantern]

why would it be difficult? just make a bigger building 😛

[vapid zinc]

If I ever need to make more nuclear pasta, i'll make it in one tower. Just go uppies

[meager basin]

it gets complicated when you make big facilities

[tall lantern]

it's just a different scale, but all the sub-stuff you've built before anyway, so that's not new

you can still break the factory down into subsections (or even separate facilities)

[vapid zinc]

Yeah loads of things you can do, like 4 towers connected with belt highways for example

But, moving these cubes seems to work fine with drones so far so eh

[tall lantern]

most of my factories tend to just ship in raw resources, but my phase 5 factory did have subfactories scattered around nearer their resources to make some parts and ship them in. It's all one logical factory (no siphoning from other built stuff), just distributed.

[reef basin]

one factory is ores -> modular frame
other one is ores -> heavy modular frame
other one is ores -> fused modular frame

etc.

[lost rapids]

I really need to learn vanilla lol

[ornate saffron]

Still learning vanilla. I did install skyui though as my eyes needed less strain

[lost rapids]

Ahah

[frosty mirage]

Dont you ever feel the freedom this game gives us is too much?

Im 215h into it with all milestones done up until phase 4 but nowhere near even having the foundation laid up for the space elevator factory

[leaden turret]

just because you can build your factory as a giant phallus doesn't mean you have to

[frosty mirage]

Doesn't it, tho? I got rid of the spaghetti not because i have to, but because i want to

[hidden pebble]

!wikisearch overclock

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=overclock

[upbeat jacinth]

Imagine if they sneaked in the constructor animation fix with another unnamed patch like this like that would be silly haha and

[ornate saffron]

My space elevator is floating in the void hole near the grass lands

[frosty mirage]

I have an explorer there lol, i thought its undiscovered terrain, boy was i wrong

[hidden pebble]

Oh hell naw you need to spend 2.5x power for 200% overclocking... that's good for tiny tiny machines but a no go for particle accelerators

!wikisearch overclock power usage

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=overclock+power+usage

[ornate saffron]

Its fine just make more power ^-^

[hidden pebble]

Instead of 22.5 GW I'll need 33.75 GW for my spinners

If i choose to conserve space.

[jolly sierra]

Should have never AFKd overnight after installing that nuclear meltdown mod

[ornate saffron]

The final cube is all about saving space.

[stone quiver]

Final cube?

[leaden turret]

irregular reminder that idle crafting is paying microtransactions to your energy provider

[ornate saffron]

There is five cubes. Starts with modular frames then heavy modular frames and so on

[stone quiver]

Oh so pasta

[jolly sierra]

Lol

[ornate saffron]

One past pasta

[hidden pebble]

But I'm not making pasta

[ornate saffron]

Yet

[hidden pebble]

Spacetime balls?

[jaunty jewel]

pasta is not hard to make

[hidden pebble]

PCC is hard to make. In lieu, pasta is hard to make

[ornate saffron]

||pressure conversion cube||

[jaunty jewel]

still false

pcc is easy to make

[hidden pebble]

I guess everything is easy for someone who has survived touhou bullet hell

[jaunty jewel]

barely survived it

[meager basin]

but you ship modular frames to heavy modular frame factory and etc. right?

[junior jolt]

okay so i just got “steel rotors” or “automated speed wiring” would speed wiring be the pick?

[jaunty jewel]

if you want to do that

[hidden pebble]

Make modular frame in situ. You need 5 for 1

[junior jolt]

speed wiring would make me finish stage 2 so much quicker

w crash drops

[jaunty jewel]

you cant make it...

[junior jolt]

i have all the parts from crashes

[meager basin]

what do you mean, i dont get it 😢

[scenic mirage]

whats that one map that shows the "best" items to make in an area?

[jaunty jewel]

yeah but you dont have the machine

[junior jolt]

oh is it not assembler?

[jaunty jewel]

no it uses 3 inputs

[junior jolt]

oh wait truw

[glacial drum]

You can use the SCIM interactive map to see resource nodes ?

If that’s wym

[hidden pebble]

Make the modular frame in the same place you're making heavy modular frames since you'll need a lot of it. (In situ = in place)

[jaunty jewel]

one of those cases where the game gives you recipes you cannot use (e.g wet concrete, steamed sheets, rigor motor, whatever oscillator alt is)

[scenic mirage]

no no like itll say the best items to make based on the resources nearby. i think its a reddit post?

[meager basin]

ah so, but i will need to ship beams right? cause concrete and iron can be a problem

[stone quiver]

There's no reason to select from a hard drive until needed. So just leave it

[hidden pebble]

I mean why would you need to see that? Seems like optimising the fun out of the game

[scenic mirage]

🤷‍♂️

why do anything in life

[jaunty jewel]

just make everything where you have all the resources

[junior jolt]

i was hoping i could have phase two done in like 25mins

[jaunty jewel]

well its not like the regular automated wiring recipe takes long at all

just oc+/sloop it

[meager basin]

okay, but then when i need to make fused modular frame, will i ship the heavy modular frames to fmf factory or make everything from scratch again?

[winged herald]

should i rescan or take the bolted frame? #screenshots message

[hidden pebble]

Do you already have that many platings and frameworks?

[scenic mirage]

if you need bolted frame then take that. otherwise just leave it

[glacial drum]

To clarify on this, if you don’t pick one of two choices it stays in your scanned drives tab. Any future drives scanned will not contain the currently given options of any old drives. You can use this to essentially “bank” recipes you don’t want. Doing this allows you to skip recipes you don’t want allowing for less hard drives needed

[winged herald]

not really, haven't reached the point of needing to automate frames yet

[jaunty jewel]

i personally only ship spelevator parts and aluminium if i dont build near bauxite

[junior jolt]

i just need to move cable over to my assembly spot and its free holy

[junior jolt]

yeah i have 1000 of each already in

[jaunty jewel]

you could always just place an assembler down and just put a storage of cable in front

[junior jolt]

yeah i just realised that

[jaunty jewel]

a stack of stators = 100 automated wiring

[hidden pebble]

It eats way too much cable. You'll need to refill it very frequently

[jaunty jewel]

i have never automated automated wiring before the phase 3 one

[meager basin]

i will see how it all figures itself out

[jaunty jewel]

no you dont just make 100 automated wiring

[junior jolt]

i would have if i didnt have this

[jaunty jewel]

its such a waste to automate before phase 3 spelevator part

[unkempt blade]

why do you feel that way?

[stone quiver]

Making parts semi-auto and/or with sloops is too easy though. I wish I did "all parts must be auto to be submitted"

[junior jolt]

spelevator?

[jaunty jewel]

which speaking of the phase 3 spelevator part is the hardest one in the whole game to make relative to the time you can make it imo

[hidden pebble]

I'd say phase 4 is harder. Phase 5 is just tedium

[unkempt blade]

it's a lot easier if you have a crate full of autowire waiting for you when you get to it

[jaunty jewel]

well if you want to automate them theres nothing stopping you but you need 100 of them and theyre entirely useless on their own

[junior jolt]

time to abuse the hell out of dismantle boxes 🙂

[glacial drum]

space elevator

[junior jolt]

oh

[unkempt blade]

you're not going to use them for phase 3? do tell

[reef basin]

no

[hidden pebble]

You'll soon need a lot the moment you submit those 100??

[jaunty jewel]

im talking specifically about the follow-on from automated wiring

[scenic mirage]

phase 4 was actually hard asf. phase 5 was just building enough power to do the rest

[stone quiver]

Phase 5 is just phase 4 plus a few quantum's and particles slapped down unless you truly set up auto. You can semi-auto it in a few minutes

[junior jolt]

do i have 4.5k cable in a storage? yes

[jaunty jewel]

so thats when you automate them

[glacial drum]

Yea guess who hasn’t automated spelevator parts since smart plating (excluding pasta)

[junior jolt]

why pasta

[glacial drum]

And who’s on phase 5.. Terrified of the parts

[unkempt blade]

I'm happy that you're happy but it's a weird thing to be proud of in a factory game 😆

[glacial drum]

My factory made it rlly easy to just throw some of em on

[stone quiver]

I just don't like the footprint of T9 buildings. Hard to make anything look compact

[glacial drum]

Oh I’m certainly not proud. Do NOT follow my steps

[jaunty jewel]

it doesnt matter if your proud of something thats "weird" its a sandbox and people play how they want

[jaunty jewel]

qes are cool

[glacial drum]

How many BWD do you guys automate usually?

[hidden pebble]

Having completed the game once and losing my old save, i played my new save without automating any space part.

[unkempt blade]

I still want to know why you don't want to automate them though

[stone quiver]

Cool or not, they're huuuuuuge

[jaunty jewel]

because you dont need to

i automate smart plating in phase 3 lol

[ornate saffron]

It isn't until after fused frames do I think about moving cubes from one facility to another

[hidden pebble]

They are cool, they have the fun animation of the two arms banging, but they take lots of space.

[glacial drum]

I just did it because I had all the needed parts and I didn’t see the reason to make a whole new factory to combine them all. Yes they’re good for sinking but idrc about the statues and I’ve got all else

[unkempt blade]

There's lot of things in this game that aren't mandatory. Are you saying you skip all of them? Or is there another reason you skip those specifically?

[jaunty jewel]

sky laser

[jaunty jewel]

well i do skip a lot of the non-mandatory parts

[stone quiver]

Doing manual transportation and manufacturing semi-auto with sloop kinda takes 80-90% of the logistics out of the game . But you take on whatever challenges/gameplay decisions you choose

[jaunty jewel]

if i want to automate something ill automate it

[meager basin]

cause fused frames are still pretty easy to make from scratch?

[hidden pebble]

I kinda hate that because it means i can't roof it without it looking weird af

[scenic mirage]

it feels so weird starting a new save bc i went to where my old main factory was and its just empty

[jaunty jewel]

if i dont want to i dont want to

[jaunty jewel]

glass roof

[ornate saffron]

Correct.

[unkempt blade]

ok, I understand you don't want to explain your "reasons" no big deal

[hidden pebble]

Modular frames are all about tedium

[jaunty jewel]

my reason is i dont want to do it lol

[winged herald]

i researched expanded toolbelt for +1 hand slot but i still only have 3 hand slots... i didnt go to 4

[stone quiver]

Modular frames are like... four buildings

[ornate saffron]

Not wanting to is a valid reason in games

[junior jolt]

fr

especially a game like this imo

[glacial drum]

Tell that to my 62 mod frames a minute in my factory heh..

[unkempt blade]

well he started from "it's a waste" which was what I originally was curious about and arrived at "he doesn't want to" so....

[junior jolt]

not like theres a single way to play

[stone quiver]

The only way to play is Shrektory

[jaunty jewel]

i did explain that you literally do not need to automate them therefore it is a waste

[glacial drum]

Yea I needed a lot for my power storage blueprint

[stone quiver]

Where you set up exclusively in the swamp

[winged herald]

id play this

[jaunty jewel]

hey guess what my recent playthrough is

[glacial drum]

and I’m gonna make it even bigger now too. It was a t2 print but now it’s even larger

[unkempt blade]

I bet you do a lot of handcrafting

[hidden pebble]

I make 60 fused frames a minute. Nothing big about that. I'll make more if i need to. It's just a matter of bringing resources and hooking them to the machines.

[jaunty jewel]

no, i dont

[meager basin]

okay and the last thing, i need parts for phase 3, so i should just make factories for these parts make them from scratch, everything except the computer and circuit board for ACU

[stone quiver]

I hope you're enjoying building in the no light, gray filter, fog all the time. I know I do

[ornate saffron]

That happens. Many times ppl including myself try to rationalize there decisions. Im at the point in my life were im okay with saying I dont wana from the get go like a petulant child

[glacial drum]

Lemme get my popcorn

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
uhh whys my map doing that

[jaunty jewel]

its fairly fun. im also doing it as a megafactory only

[stone quiver]

Swamp is the best spot anyway

Has every resource within distance

[jaunty jewel]

what i have down rn is just a coal power plant, a couple trains and oil that isnt working because train throughput is impossible

[winged herald]

why are people arguing about automating things in an automation game lol

[stone quiver]

Only thing is low amounts of oil

[jaunty jewel]

if you have phase 4 you can get oil closer by, otherwise you have to go blue crater (which is what ive done)

[stone quiver]

Nothing the crater lake can't donate

[leaden turret]

yes, but

[unkempt blade]

because automating things is a waste

[hidden pebble]

The America lake

[jaunty jewel]

i wont lie, ive had 0 issues with stingers the whole playthrough

[ornate saffron]

Likely. Its often a pain to setup logistics at that point as you just got trains. I suggest starting to think about including train in your facilities here on out as its harder to avoid facility mixing. Computers are often built near oil and there is a good chance you'll need to ship them far and wide

[stone quiver]

The pumped oil from the extractor is not enough to support all plastics even diluting. Gotta get MOOOORE

[jaunty jewel]

i accidentally stumbled upon the 2 elite + ~5 alpha combo with just rebar and still won

[winged herald]

just play transport fever 2 if you wanna drive trains lol

[junior jolt]

also i got rubber from a ship what do i do with it

[glacial drum]

Perchance the recycled plastic recipe would fit you

[hidden pebble]

A pure mode gives 1800 plastic what you talking about

[meager basin]

okay, im gonna ship those more complex parts to where they need to go

[unkempt blade]

But I don't want to drive trains I just want to see them driving themselves all around the world because it makes my factory look more interesting

[stone quiver]

Hey go try go mega factory the swamp with just the one oil. All I'm saying.

[jaunty jewel]

automating parts you dont need to automate until much later on is a waste

[winged herald]

minecraft + create mod is peak

trains go everywhere

[hidden pebble]

But we don't drive trains here. We just tell them to go. And when they start working, we forget they exist.

[jaunty jewel]

?

which "one oil"

there is more than enough oil in the blue crater and the resource well for a full playthrough

[ornate saffron]

I am a huge fan of the independency approach and try to focus on it but sometimes its just easier to move some parts via train ^-^

[unkempt blade]

Totally makes sense. Getting more value out of your setup effort is a huge waste of time

[junior jolt]

is resource well infinite?

[stone quiver]

The resource well extractor one. If you pull from the lake there's plenty

[ornate saffron]

I did all of phase 3 4 and 5 there on playthrough

[winged herald]

the nodes? yes

[jaunty jewel]

what value do i get out of making automated wiring

please do tell

[meager basin]

yeah i thought so, i was advised to make everything from scratch, which sounds redundant when i have resources to transport components

[ornate saffron]

Wells are late game fyi. You have to use special machinery.

[hidden pebble]

I spent all that oil on my aluminium and plastic for my RCU factory

[unkempt blade]

it continues to be automated the same as any other factory in this game

[stone quiver]

Energy requirements and production off of 480 crude?

[jaunty jewel]

okay but what value does this provide other than using power

[ornate saffron]

I built energy in the blue crater

[stone quiver]

For 4 automated phase 5 lines? Too lean for me

[winged herald]

can someone give me the spoiler for the 2 hidden achievements in steam

[unkempt blade]

you continue using it in all future phases. This isn't really rocket science

[winged herald]

i wanna know what they are

[hidden pebble]

1. points
2. not needing to automate it when you need it later

[jaunty jewel]

yes but why would you automate it earlier when you can make it with better alts later

and "not much later" at that

[unkempt blade]

There's no guarantee you get those recipes and you've missed out on the value it provided in the earlier phase

[jaunty jewel]

there is guarantee if you hunt down hard drives which i do

and what value does it provide in the earlier phase?

[wanton cloud]

Yall i'm having problems with my fuel generators

[junior jolt]

phase two done lfg

[wanton cloud]

should i post em to screenshots?

[unkempt blade]

Seems like a lot of time you could have had automated wire running with vanilla recipes lol

[glacial drum]

Guess who flushed a hard drive thinking the game wouldn’t let them

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533

[jaunty jewel]

but why would i do that?

[wanton cloud]

oh right

[reef basin]

There's enough of them, don't worry

[ornate saffron]

For some building earlier when you can hold off for better alts is the way to go.

Im in the mindset of just automate when I need it for the amounts I need. Later when I need more ill make more with the recipes that make the most sense.

[jaunty jewel]

there is no reason for me to have automated wiring automated in phase 2

[glacial drum]

I’m aware, just found it funny

[unkempt blade]

you're adorable

[jaunty jewel]

i dont quite understand the point in this message but thanks

[unkempt blade]

Add it to the list I guess

[ornate saffron]

To be clear whatever way you play the game, if you enjoy it that way, thats the right way.

Except @neon tulip you need more vanilla

[jaunty jewel]

to what list?

[unkempt blade]

the things you don't understand 🤣

[jaunty jewel]

you are yet to provide any argument FOR automating automated wiring btw

[slate mountain]

hypertubes vs hypertube cannons, whats your preferred way to travel?

[jaunty jewel]

if theres no risk of accidentally killing myself theres no fun

[ornate saffron]

Niether. Ziplines then trains

[unkempt blade]

Actually I told you several. You're the one with "it's a waste" and "I don't want to do it in phase 2". But I'm done explaining stuff to children for now

[jaunty jewel]

what were those reasons again

[junior jolt]

is there any rule against not completing the jump pads milestone

[unkempt blade]

scroll up

[reef basin]

Trains

[jaunty jewel]

no no i want you to tell me them again

[slate mountain]

both are quite slow in comparison but to each their own, i like my hypertube cannon hub that can send me to any location on the map in like 30 seconds

[unkempt blade]

Have a great day kiddo. I hope your mood gets better

[jaunty jewel]

i mean im in a perfectly good mood

i dont think it could get better to be honest

and im already having a great day, thank you

[reef basin]

I don't need to travel across the map as often that I wouldn't enjoy a 3 minute scenic train/tube ride. Or I can take a breaj and stretch and grab a drink

[jaunty jewel]

trains are nice when they cut through nice scenery

unfortunately im lazy so i still use cannons

[slate mountain]

some people enjoy the ride, nothing wrong with that

[junior jolt]

guys will i need to automate heavy modular frames

[slate mountain]

i have regular hypertubes going to the production facilities closer to my main base which are a bit more scenic than using the cannons

[unkempt blade]

Yeah normal tubes are nice because you don't need to babysit the landing like a cannon. If you want to go faster you can add DIY boosters

[ornate saffron]

I use it as a reason to stretch and do a choir.

[jaunty jewel]

id say so yeah, theyre used for a few buildings and are needed later anyways

[junior jolt]

so i assume also computers then?

[jaunty jewel]

yep

[junior jolt]

mmh

[glacial drum]

Logically speaking could I not automate BWD for phase 5 and then just.. shut the end of the factory off for the less advanced parts

[jaunty jewel]

theyre needed for a building i would say is essential for the next phase at the very least

[jaunty jewel]

you dont have to automate them no just make the intermediate parts

[reef basin]

You need to automate anything that you need for building stuff

[glacial drum]

Meh I don’t have to but it’ll be fun

[jaunty jewel]

theyre good to automate if you need 1k tickets though

for the golden nut *

[stone quiver]

I do need to switch to diluted recycled plastic. Never enough computer and chips for my needs

[junior jolt]

oh okay i see where i would be able to make the automated speed wiring now

[stone quiver]

Anywhere you want a mid tier part , you just set up a smart splitter to fill a box then overflow to the next phase part

[wanton cloud]

the problem is solved, turns out i overestimated the amount of fuel my refineries made

[junior jolt]

can you theoretically use manufacturers as assemblers?

[stone quiver]

No

[junior jolt]

smh would be funny

[reef basin]

Not switch, but you can use it for next factory

[stone quiver]

Nah my 250% AI is starved. Need more supercomputers . I'm sinking all AI. To send a message.

[junior jolt]

finished phase 2 sub 25h on my first playthrough, doesnt feel too bad tbh

[jaunty jewel]

again it is a sandbox so it doesnt matter how long you take

[junior jolt]

yea trur

[jaunty jewel]

i think it took me around 12 on my first but i was with a friend so that likely sped it up

[junior jolt]

yeah would help

[jaunty jewel]

i dont like spending much time in phase 2 because oil excites me too much

[junior jolt]

also trains look quite fun but also scary

confused about how i would fit 32 stacks of something into a regular train tho

seems like a lot

[ornate saffron]

I assume you mean freight car.

I unload shipping containers for a living. 32 is seems to small

[junior jolt]

whatever it is that goes on the rail

idk i just looked at the milestone

[jaunty jewel]

ores

trains are best suited to high throughput logistics

[junior jolt]

but regularly? damn

[jaunty jewel]

yeah they do it automatically

it doesnt have to be full either

[junior jolt]

yeah but i dont feel like id get close to filling 32 stacks in a short period of time

[jaunty jewel]

yeah again it doesnt have to be full

[junior jolt]

yeah truw

[jaunty jewel]

later on you can get ||1200|| per min conveyors so its entirely plausible to fill a train in just a couple minutes

[junior jolt]

the game saves to cloud right?

[ornate saffron]

My first clear had two single rail two directional trains. Thats it. You really dont have to move that much if you dont want to.

[ornate saffron]

On steam yes

[junior jolt]

what is that ||mk6||

oh so if i play on console rn

[ornate saffron]

Belts that breaks the laws of physics

[junior jolt]

rhen ill have to restart on my laptop

[ornate saffron]

Yes, there is no cross saves

[junior jolt]

balls

[jaunty jewel]

you get to restart with extra knowledge

[junior jolt]

only 4 more days then smh

[ornate saffron]

That being said using advanced options you can start on any technology tier you wish

[junior jolt]

eh

im curious whether i should go for a different spawn spot next time then

[jaunty jewel]

probably a good idea to give you a taste of the other biomes

[junior jolt]

anyway off to bed cos im australian

[ornate saffron]

They all have there merits.

Personally I like the forest start. Lots of interesting terrain to build around

[jaunty jewel]

i like all the starts except grassy fields or whatever

[junior jolt]

ive never been a builder in what ive played anyway

i just put pads down and make some spaghetti

[ornate saffron]

I did that for the first time since update 7 this playthrough.

I dont regret it tbh. Sure there is lots on impure nodes but all the good locations for power are not far

[ornate saffron]

🍝

[jaunty jewel]

i hate the impure-ness of the grassy fields

[junior jolt]

desert is the hardest right?

could be interesting ngl

[jaunty jewel]

none of the starting biomes are hard

once you get past biomass in the dune desert you have so many tools available its insane

[junior jolt]

so pain for the first 5h and then freedom

[jaunty jewel]

you also have an incredible amount of space and very quick access to high tier parts to sink early

if you play how i play you can get to coal in like 2h there

[ornate saffron]

No, it is not hard. They are all not hard just diffreent

[junior jolt]

what can you explain the second half of this? high tier parts to sink early? huh

[ornate saffron]

Even biomass isn't hard. The river is lush

[wanton cloud]

probably from crash pods

never been there so i wouldn't know

[junior jolt]

okay inanimate object you tell em

[jaunty jewel]

what i like to do early on is go to certain areas of the map with crash sites with high tier parts (turbo motors, fused frames) and also just for hard drives slugs sloops and spheres and sink them for a LOT of coupons, then buy rip/rotor to make coal then actually automate stuff

[junior jolt]

oh okay interesting

[jaunty jewel]

i usually end up automating concrete first at least so i can actually build stuff but yeah

[wanton cloud]

i just realized that i'm in phase 3, with all milestones completed and never once made a rotor factory

[junior jolt]

concrete and plates i assume?

[ornate saffron]

My favorite run so far was skipping coal.

I ziplined around the map hooking up every geothermal node

[junior jolt]

factory or automated?

[wanton cloud]

literally got MOTORS automated but no rotors😭

[wanton cloud]

BOTH

[junior jolt]

wait wtf

[wanton cloud]

i don't have either

[jaunty jewel]

oh well on my current playthrough i need those geothermal generators

[junior jolt]

not even automated rotors is wild work

[wanton cloud]

genuinely don't even know where i got them all from🙏

[junior jolt]

crafting 1k of them doesnt soujd fun

[wanton cloud]

i don't remember that eitherrrrrr

[junior jolt]

damn okay luck

[ornate saffron]

When I built my motor factory I planned 10/min of each rotors stators and motors going into depots

[jaunty jewel]

my planned iron factory is probably going to kill me because i am automating NOTHING right now

all i have is concrete, plastic+rubber, and quickwire

dont ask what ive been doing

[ornate saffron]

The gains and pains of playstyle lol. But thats what makes it fun

[whole robin]

Turned out that the space between 2 adjacent fuel generators doesn't give enough space for a pipeline junction to connect pipes to either one, so my blueprints for a North Power Tower are gonna be delayed til I get mk 3 designers 💔

[unkempt blade]

sandboxes be sandboxing am I right?

[glad hawk]

Automating complex parts and conveyor parts is THE method

[ornate saffron]

Well.... you could do some funky funny clipping

[whole robin]

Unless I can connect the fuel generators to each other and can put a junction on that pipe, which im suprised i didn't think of sooner

[jaunty jewel]

you can move them slightly further apart

there is enough space AFAIK * for 2 fuel gens with space for a junction in mk2

[glad hawk]

I just made

[whole robin]

When I was placing the junction first, I couldn't connect the fuel generators because the pipe was "too short"

[glad hawk]

A couple fuel generators as a buffer for my grid rn

[ornate saffron]

You place four. Two inputs kissing. Connect the two with a pipe then junction ontop

[glad hawk]

I had a train and my train uses a lot of power

[wanton cloud]

fluid mechanics are genuinely starting to fucking piss me off

[whole robin]

Yeah that's what I was talking about earlier, which I'll try tonight

[knotty bear]

I have just obtained fuel

[ornate saffron]

They can.

I tend to over build my power so I can ignore it.

[knotty bear]

How the heck does oil in pipes actually work.

[ornate saffron]

Same as water pipes

[knotty bear]

Okay.

[glad hawk]

I had like some spare fuel

So then I allocated it to a generator

[wanton cloud]

coal has NEVER treated me as bad as biomass and fuel does

[glad hawk]

I was just using fuel as a jet pack so

[wanton cloud]

coal is my FAVORITE way of obtaining electricity

[glad hawk]

And it’s a byproduct of my plastic and rubber

[wanton cloud]

liquid biofuel is better than regular fuel for that btw

[quasi warren]

Id rather do fuel. Diluted fuel is so good

[glad hawk]

There was no reason not to build a fuel generator

I like coal

[wanton cloud]

no. screw that, i am literally ACTIVELY supplying all my generators with enough fuel, and they can not be bothered to fill up

imma try a different piping setup now.

[quasi warren]

Could be a flowrate issue. Similar to what I had

[zenith pecan]

I'e sometimes had to retrofit a loop due to filling issues.

[knotty bear]

I enjoy how each tier of power feels like a massive relief from the previous. I just got fuel generators and honestly oil might be one my favorite resources to work with if ignoring pipes and how they work.

[jaunty jewel]

always build more power than what you think you need

[zenith pecan]

Rocket fuel is nice to have because its behaviour is slightly different due to ir being a gas, no head lift.

[reef basin]

Looped pipe?

[wanton cloud]

looped indeed

[knotty bear]

Huh, is rocket fuel gonna be better than actual like fuel canisters for my jetpack?

[reef basin]

Vertical loop?

[wanton cloud]

i loop every pipe i posses

[ornate saffron]

Fuel as better long term gains.

You can turn fuel into power but also turbo fuel and rocket fuel. Each have longer burn times then the previous allowing you to fuel more fuel generators

[wanton cloud]

nope

[reef basin]

Do that, it's good 🙂

[zenith pecan]

I can't speak to that, I have never used it with a jetpack.

[ornate saffron]

Power facilities is my favorite thing to build in this game. So I need no excuse lol

[jaunty jewel]

nuclear is still my favourite thing to automate i think

[wanton cloud]

can i have a visualisation of what it looks like

[ornate saffron]

Rocket fuel is really good in the jet pack especially if you learn to feather your use

[knotty bear]

I finally hooked up batteries to my power system 300MwH should be good though I will probably overrun that.

[knotty bear]

I've been doing that if I get your meaning, short taps to extend flight?

Rn my max consumption is 1450MW and my capacity is only a number between 1300-1650 depending on if my fuel generator is running or not

Though my consumption is normally between 600-800MW

[zenith pecan]

I plan to do nuclear again just for the hell of it, This time I plan on more than default fuel rods.

[ornate saffron]

Yes sir, rocket fuel gives you much height when just tapping the jet pack. When you reach max height tap again.

[ornate saffron]

My max consumption usually hits around 260gw come credits roll.

[jaunty jewel]

i tend to use power shards to unlock ionsied fuel early just to buy it and use it in jetpack lol

[knotty bear]

I'm working on phase 3 rn, currently only have the versatile framework and none of the other 2 freaky lookin things automated.

[zenith pecan]

So many factories to rebuild heh.

[jaunty jewel]

the other two things are very freaky, especially the sphere of death

[ornate saffron]

Completely valid. I do this too. Sometimes

[ornate saffron]

Me too

[zenith pecan]

In the past, I had huge vaults just for vehicle & jetpack fuel, not sure I'll do that again.

[knotty bear]

I'll probably after phase 3 run off and build a new base up more north instead of having to wreck all my current factory as it spans mostly the nice spawn area with some long belts and then a massive shushi belt over to a new base I was working on in the left side of the map near the oil but on the beach up high. I don't think I can send images.

[ornate saffron]

Images and discussions around design go in #design-and-architecture

[ornate saffron]

Most people have conveyor chaos where they start. Especially first timers. This is normal.

Most ppl suggest doing what you plan and thats just build more elsewhere where and leave it be. Worst case everything backs up and goes silent powering down.

Best case you feed awesome sinks and depots and never interact with it again

[stone fern]

I don’t want to play this game anymore

[zenith pecan]

👍

[stone fern]

This game is like a soul sucking parasite, I just can’t do this anymore and I am sorry

[tall lantern]

breaks are healthy

[jaunty jewel]

who are you apologising to

[stone fern]

Everything

I am sorry to the earth for extracting precious materials to make more and more manifolds to my factories

[jaunty jewel]

my friend it is just a game and its a sandbox at that in the best way possible absolutely nobody cares (or should care) how, why or when you play it

[jaunty jewel]

it is not earth dont worry

[quasi warren]

^

[stone fern]

I am sorry

[knotty bear]

I still don't have automated steel.

[stone fern]

Ada won’t forgive me

[jaunty jewel]

whats ada gonna do?

[reef basin]

e.g. #1455939057606590639 message

[wanton cloud]

i managed to get my fuel gens working properly. apparently it was just that my piping network sucked

[jaunty jewel]

if you need to take a break or stop altogether do it

[civic merlin]

And the resource nodes are literally infinite, so you're not actually consuming anything.

[jaunty jewel]

i barely play myself lol

[wanton cloud]

oh that, never thought of doing that. will try the next time

[stone fern]

I don’t know, but I have wronged all earthlings, I wish I could give back all the materials I used

[ember escarp]

Do pipe floor holes still cause flow problems?

[reef basin]

shouldn't

[reef basin]

it helps due to gravity feeding, generally recommended to do that setup anywhere you need high throughput

[zenith pecan]

I haven't seen floor hole issues in more than a year, and I've used probably thousands since.

[wanton cloud]

i vow to never use floor holes when pipes are in scope

[ember escarp]

I think i will have to redo my design because I am feeding all of my pipes from the top and water flow is being limited by something.

[broken valve]

Hey, im currently automating heavy modular frames for space elevator phase 3, is 10/min enough ? i feel like finding the 2100 iron, 900 limestone and 900 coal might be overkill but idk since they seem pretty important for later on

[thorny rampart]

Try using alternate recipes because i think 2100 iron is a bit overkill.
Havent played in a while though

[broken valve]

ok thx, i will search some

[frosty bison]

the beam connector should be paintable

[tall lantern]

don't worry about trying to futureproof, crystal balls are notoriously inaccurate. Build what you think you need for now, and if you need more later, you can build more then.

[sleek halo]

I need fighting update and laser update

I rlly though this roadmap vid was real

[ornate saffron]

I need none of that in this game. There is other games that fit that niche.

[tall lantern]

or mods

[sleek halo]

It was a joke lol we want a chill game that we tryhard

[pliant prawn]

Have to do a major fuel power transplant rebuild. Wish me luck

[sleek halo]

Wait i just realized is ficsit like fix it?

Hmm

How i did not realized this befor

[pliant prawn]

whoops, forgot gifs dont work this channel haha

[toxic lichen]

heart breaking

[ornate saffron]

*insert gi Joe jif here.

[whole robin]

Is packaged biofuel universally considered better for the jetpack than turbofuel?

[ornate saffron]

Jet pack fuel of choice is highly vibe based. I prefer turbo over bio. But some feel differently

Rocket all the way for me.

I prefer how it feels over ionized

[whole robin]

Yeah, I'll definitely switch to it the moment it's available

Can steel beams almost always be substituted for steel pipes, or are there some recipes that require it 100% of the time

[ornate saffron]

Which is pretty early as I think its researched in the mam. Once unlocked you can purchase it in the awesome shop

[ornate saffron]

Bo clue. I tend to use beams when beams are needed and pipes when pipes are needd.

[whole robin]

I need to unlock aluminum and start making the fuel in the first place

[ornate saffron]

I look at all recipes as options to fit the resources you have.

For example i need to make computers and I have lots of excess quartz so ill use silicon circuit boards, and quartz oscillators.

[reef basin]

versatile framework: no
EIB: yes
PFR: kinda
nobelisk detonator: no
screws: kinda

also:

build gun stuff: no

[upper sorrel]

Looking for people to make a world with

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[ornate saffron]

#1201555265942724758

[upper sorrel]

How we doin today guys and gals?

[ornate saffron]

Alive. Minor flu bug but im managing

[upper sorrel]

Yea here where im at people are getting sick left and right

[ornate saffron]

Same

[upper sorrel]

This flu season sucks this year

lol

[jaunty jewel]

illness has probably been bad here due to it not stopping raining

[ornate saffron]

That and large quantities of people not getting there yearly vaccines. But that is a topic for another time

[upper sorrel]

Facts

[glacial drum]

Beef have ya made a rocket fuel plant

[ornate saffron]

Not in this save but yes in seven others

[glacial drum]

Where’s the best spots you’ve made them

I think for my new factory I’m gonna tear down the belt work i did to prepare for it

[ornate saffron]

Blue crater is the best place for nitro rocket fuel. It has everything you need near for a 1200 oil nitro rocket fuel factory

[upper sorrel]

I tried to make a post in the lfg channel and it won’t let me post there

[glacial drum]

I want to change up my belt blueprint

[ornate saffron]

Are you new to this discord?

[glacial drum]

Damn. I’m producing weapons there. And I’m definitely not willing to move.

[upper sorrel]

Yes just joined last night

[whole robin]

What a coincidence, I've been spreading pestilence around where I live

[glacial drum]

I’ve got my current setup on the west coast islands area

I have what I need there to upgrade it but I’ve just been struggling to motivate myself

Maybe today..

[ornate saffron]

The sandy beach on the left side of the map has most of what you need. Since nitrogen has no geadlidt its not bad piping it

[glacial drum]

Yea that’s where I’m making mine rn

I’m planning to double production. Which will take more than 1200 sulfur.

[upper sorrel]

Nice

[glacial drum]

There’s another sulfur node close enough that I can throw it on my current belt path

[storm hull]

will da game be on sale anytime soon? i wanna buy it!!

[ornate saffron]

It was on sale over the holidays

[glacial drum]

Every resource is close enough but I gotta motivate myself to do so dam much