satisfactory

[halcyon meadow]

So I have to manually take it from the list on the left before I can use it?

[hidden pebble]

Make a factory which makes items required to make factories, and hook up depots at the end of every production line. Now you can build worry free

[halcyon meadow]

I know that pain I have been making custom blueprints to help speed things up but still takes a good while

[hidden pebble]

If you're building smth, it's automatically used from the depot. But if you have other uses, you need to withdraw manually.

[halcyon meadow]

AHH ok that makes more sense thank you ❤️

[pine bough]

I’m at phase 2 of space elevator and most the way through but my old set up was WAY too slow

[hidden pebble]

I mean they were slow but still running right? Why did you dismantle them? Just build some more.

[halcyon meadow]

To be fair the first part is always slow especially when U don't have alot of power to play with

[pine bough]

It was a lot of spaghetti and it was just too hard and not efficient at all and I just wanted it to be more organised

[halcyon meadow]

Mergers
Spillers
Conveyor lift
Stackable converyor pole
And most importantly foundation

All are your best friend so don't be shy to use them better to start early 😁

[frosty mirage]

What do you guys usually include in your construction material factory? I was thinking of iron plates, rods, reinforced, modular frames, concrete, wire, cable and copper sheets, should I include anything else in terms of construction materials? I do have separate factories for encased, steel beams, pipes, motors, hmfs, plastic, rubber

[halcyon meadow]

I wish I could answer this but I am in the process on making a mega factory to have everything in it 😅

Practical? Nope but great to look at yep

[hidden pebble]

Yet again, there's no need to bunch all materials together. If you have factories for all materials, you're good to go.

I still haven't set up my ficsite trigon factory.

[halcyon meadow]

I feel like that's not to bad as it mostly uses the basic ingots but the building itself is pretty pricey

[frosty mirage]

I do have them spaghetti but im reworking things to get more out of available resources

Also, how do you usually go about storage? Would 4 industrial containers + 1 depot per item with everything extra going into sink be a good way to go about it?

[halcyon meadow]

I usually do storage wait till it's full then have a spiller just before the storage and it splits between the storage and sink so no matter what that storage is always being supplied and if it runs low U can just turn off the sink

[frosty mirage]

How many containers are you using per item?

[halcyon meadow]

Well with the base I am making now it's kinda not practical but usally I have any any machine has a double storage after it

That double storage has 2 outlets 1 can go into other machines and 1 can go to other machines if U wanna have a supply of everything

Or U can use both of them outlets to go other places but I always have atlest 1 double storage units between everything just in case U need that item u can pause the machine it's going to

[frosty mirage]

I usually build with everything calculated, so i only use storage for the planned final products

I thinkg 4 double storage with a depot should be enough tho

Per item

[halcyon meadow]

Well take plates and concrete what if U wanna make foundation? And I don't have plates or concrete because you already using it for a 1 to 1 lol

4 double seems plenty but "per item" I wish U luck there is alot of them 😅

[frosty mirage]

Im producing all relevant items, but i gave up on producing screws, rotors, stators for example because they are already being produced within motor factory or hmf factory as a few examples

Going for all the items is certainly not my desire lol

[halcyon meadow]

Man U always need screws

[frosty mirage]

I went for alt recipes a lot lately, i think i can actually remove them from some productions

[halcyon meadow]

Even so some recipes need like 200 for 1 item

[frosty mirage]

At least for now, im all done with everything and next progression will be completing phase 3, i do assume more complex items might come along that need screws

[halcyon meadow]

Well I wish U luck and always keep this 1 tip in mind always make sure U have space to expand unless U enjoy building multiple factories

[frosty mirage]

Yea, i use a vertical scaleable build design for all my factories

[halcyon meadow]

I wish I started vertical lol

[frosty mirage]

Once i got used to floor to floor logistics, it actually became much easier than horizontal builds

[hidden pebble]

And how do you handle floor to floor logistics?

[tranquil saffron]

conveyor lifts, lots of conveyor lifts

[leaden turret]

@void gorge reminder re: discord-formatted timestamps to display times in the user's local timezone

[void gorge]

<t:1770733800:t>

Neat will never forget now

[hidden pebble]

And floor holes.

[frosty mirage]

Probably not in the best way, lol. I use floor holes, lifts and display signs to track ins and outs on every production line

[storm crow]

i made 20 blenders making 500 uranium cells i only needed 150 what do i do without wasting it 😭

[leaden turret]

also, ||dare you to post photos of Link in #dev-streamscloser to stream time to see if anyone notices||

-# ||because "Links when closer to time" ||

[hidden pebble]

Can they be sunk?

[leaden turret]

@void gorge any joy getting live stream captions working btw?

[sterile blade]

[marble kernel]

How can i open the crash sites drops. that drop says its need 1000Mw to open how can i do it ? PLS help

[green fiber]

You give it power

It accepts a cable connection

I hope you know how to make and transport power at this point

[fluid crow]

hook to grid or make a fuel generator packager bio burner maybe some power storage

[void gorge]

Think so yaa

[marble kernel]

That mean i can place alot of biomass generators around the drop ?

[humble osprey]

whats the game design philosophy behind making empty packages (both liquid and gas) difficult to manufacture?

[dense violet]

sure
or drag a cable from your base over

[dense violet]

packages are difficult to make?

they generally need 1 resource of limited refinement

[humble osprey]

yeah they need a resource thats very limited and localized

crude oil and bauxite

[cunning pulsar]

Anyone know if you can copy your world file and send it to somebody?

[reef basin]

yes

[lost oak]

I just reached Tier 5 and I'm incredibly tempted to just tear down what I have and rebuild after I've got the fuel power plant going

[pine bough]

i got the corage to work with water and set up my first ACTUAL coal plant (i used to have like 2 coal power things but that doesnt count cus i still used biomass burners) and it has 1200MW capacity is that good?

oh F$@#

8 coal plants with 2 power crystals each uses alot of coal...

i had the water sorted but the conveyor belts are now... empty

oh im dumb

fairly sure i turned all power off including coal miner when making coal power

[tall lantern]

the main things you'd package with canisters are fuel and fuel-adjacent things, so you'll have oil to hand
aluminium's later-game and used for even later fluids, so that's just general progression, things get harder the further you get.
Also a lot of packaging tends to be a packaging+unpackaging loop that only needs a one-off injection of containers
and finally yeah none of those are actually all that difficult to make
(none of this is officially stated or anything, just makes sense)

[digital holly]

Do it! If you want. I had that same urge and just went on a big world upgrade/clean up. A pleasant break from the usual gameplay

[reef basin]

resist that temptation, build new and keep old. No reason to tear down things, and big projects like that often make people burn out

[reef basin]

you can make liquid canisters out of iron+copper, or out of steel
gas canisters are from aluminum indeed, but at that point of progression, you already have tons of aluminum

[hidden pebble]

Finally i got my first golden nut.

Ada spammed too many deez nuts jokes

[green fiber]

You're officially a nutjob now

[humble osprey]

ig they dont want u easily sinking fluids

[reef basin]

why would you do that?

[green fiber]

Packaging isn't the easiest way

[reef basin]

just don't make the fluid in the first place

or reuse it somewhere else

[green fiber]

Its just the most convenient escape route if you cant think of other options

And yeah, the plastic / aluminum cost IS the cost of that convenience

Packaging heavy oil to get rid of it? asinine
Packaging alumina to destroy? Also crazy
Packaging nitrogen to sink it? Just why

Packaging water is literally just expensive convenience

[humble osprey]

when u cant avoid making them or use them somewhereelse

[reef basin]

that's like... never

[sly basin]

Has anyone else seen a weird issue with dedicated servers where sometimes you don't see items on a belt?

Cut the belt and they reappear on the feed side, then join it and they go again.

[lost oak]

The problem is that the area I'm in has a lot of pure nodes all next to each other and next to the oil deposits. I also quite like the look of the area

[reef basin]

I mean you want to spread factories all over map anyway

[lost oak]

It's not too feasible for me yet considering I don't have trains unlocked yet

[sly basin]

Use really long belts 🙂

[reef basin]

don't need trains for that

[lost oak]

Nor do I have dimensional depot so I end up having to carry tons of building materials on me

[lost oak]

I wanna have a mega warehouse with everything I need and factories spread out. Trains seem like the funnest and easiest way to accomplish that

[sly basin]

Hang belts on beams

[lost oak]

Never

[sly basin]

Fair enough

[reef basin]

you can also use depots

[sly basin]

I had a save with trains and drones, on this one I'm using only belts 🙂

Tempted to use a ducking blueprint to move a lot of them undergound.

[lost oak]

Depots? In what sense?

[lost oak]

Good luck

[reef basin]

depots so that you don't need to move items to warehouse

[lost oak]

But I do wanna move items to warehouse though xd

[tall lantern]

(depots = dimensional depot, building/tech unlocked in the MAM)

[lost oak]

Have factories that produce that one specific thing and then have a place where it is all there

[lost oak]

I don't have them yet. Haven't found any SAM yet

[reef basin]

I mean it's your choice, but I wouldn't recommend it

[sly basin]

Probably the messiest one is where I took 600 oil and turn it all into ionized fuel, I think I have belts from every bit of quartz on the map going to my mega power shard factory. (not this save).

[tall lantern]

if you do want a central storage though (for fun, not for practicality), then yeah, vehicles are the way. Trains, drones, trucks

[lost oak]

Hence why I didn't expand too much since it's annoying to have to carry building materials on me all the time. And I'm still stuck with coal power

[sly basin]

You'll be at oil in no time.

[lost oak]

It is for fun, yes. I understand having mini warehouses is easier to do

And better

[reef basin]

not mini warehouses
just straight up no warehouses, just depots

[lost oak]

Need to build a stator production line to mix with my rotor line to produce motors

[digital holly]

I still use central storage out of habit lol 😂 I was born by the central storage and I’ll die by it lol

[lost oak]

Can't dimensional depots only do one stack of each item at tier 1?

[sly basin]

Have you done lots of Hard drive hunting yet?

[lost oak]

Not a lot. But I do have some very useful recipes that allow me to do motors with just iron

[sly basin]

cool

[reef basin]

yeah but it's not a problem really

[reef basin]

*very expensive recipes 😛

[sly basin]

When they're upgraded they do 5 stacks and refill quite quickly.

[lost oak]

I plan to have dimensional depots for building materials

But that's about it. Warehouses are cool so I wanna build one

With trains coming from all over the map

[lost oak]

But worthwhile. Cast Screws, Iron Wire and Iron Pipe have saved me a ton of headaches

Stitched Iron Plates too

[dense violet]

iron and coal are the most common combo of resources you find, you have to work to not find a spot for steel steel pipes

[sly delta]

is there a keybind to open the to-do notes ?

[lost oak]

I have one area above where I'm at that I found with 3 pure nodes of each. Annoying to bring them to each other but I think it's worthwhile

[uneven path]

No, unfortunately you have to add a buildable to your to-do list and then you can mouse over to the notes

[elfin smelt]

you can just click on the left edge of the screen while the inventory is open

I mean right edge

[green fiber]

Right edge

[uneven path]

Not if you don't have a buildable on the to-do list though. You need to have something on there to access the notes.

[green fiber]

That isnt true

[elfin smelt]

yeah, even if it's totally empty and not showing clicking on the right edge shows it

[green fiber]

Open any menu or your inventory and hover to the right screen edge with your mouse.

It darkens. Click it.
To do list is now open

[uneven path]

Huh, today I learned

That's good, because that always drove me insane

[elfin smelt]

I ran into the same issue

[sly delta]

dang 😔

oh you guys are right, you can open it by clicking on the right side in the inventory

[green fiber]

Tadah 🎉

[uneven path]

It would be nice if there was a keybind rather than needing to open another menu first, but it's not as annoying as I initially thought

[dense violet]

bad at looking then, it's very very common to have coal and iron next to each other

[sly basin]

some biomes aren't good for iron, it depends where you start

Of course the most popular starting point has 2 pure coal and loads of Iron.

[lost oak]

I haven't been struggling to find coal + iron. But I'd rather need just one node to make motors than two, especially when I'm limited in terms of power until I get fuel going

[zenith pecan]

@sterile blade so sushi installation 2.0, your old one was a work of art in logistics.

[dense violet]

why would yo ube limited in power? it's very easy to spam some coal power gens and keep going till like tier 7 on it

[glacial drum]

There’s only like half as much coal as iron. And no purification recipe for coal. Along with that, considering irons massive quantity even without purifying it, it’s a lot better to use just one node. Then again.. it’s always up to preference and everyone’s different. I can see positives for both sides but I prefer iron pipe lol

[glacial drum]

Belt limitations maybe

Plus power itself is needed to jumpstart every miner

AND water is kinda annoying to deal with at first

Also considering fuels much better power generation and the amount of altering you get with coal nearly immediately after fuel I kinda see it as near pointless to spam so many coal gens so early

[lost oak]

This

[glacial drum]

I did super good on just 16 gens back then

[lost oak]

I made sure to have enough coal power to kickstart fuel

[glacial drum]

Mb, 24. I had two 8’s at one area and one more rlly bad one near home base

Which I need to improve them both..

[lost oak]

I have 2 overclocked ones feeding the miners and water extractors and the rest the factories

[glacial drum]

When I’m home later i’m definitely working on more power storage. I’ll need another 500 probably to feel safe with swapping my grid to new power

[glacial drum]

That going well? I had a bit of issues my first time

I ended up using 3 pipes to feed 16. 2 wasn’t enough with the way I had mine setup.

[lost oak]

It works fine. I have the pipes on a loop with 4 extractors for each set of 8 because of the overclocked ones

If I'm low on power amount, I'll just turn off a factory that is producing materials I have plenty of and turn on the other

[glacial drum]

Nice. I may improve mine later to use compact coal tbh.. I need to as I said change up my power grid so any power boost I can add to alleviate my storage is good.

Assuming you don’t want spoilers, I’ll try to be very minimal here but a recipe I’ll use has a coal byproduct and I think this time i’m def gonna use it to make even more power

Should be fun

[lost oak]

I'm just gonna turn off everything, use the coal plants to kickstart fuel and then put some miners on quartz to make a somewhat good looking big power plant

[lost oak]

I'm fine with recipe spoilers. I think I know what recipe you're talking about

[glacial drum]

If all else goes wrong remember you can always hook up your gens and miners to a few bio burners and just kickstart it with those

For the first 16 I made I made sure to include biomass burners nearby and made the wiring easy to disconnect from the main grid

[lost oak]

I have a double container full of biofuel for dire situations xd

[glacial drum]

I’ve got a whole blueprint of 480~? MW bioburners with 12 or so fuel in each of em

just for crash sites.

[lost oak]

The fuel power plant I want will need 900 power with the extractors fully overclocked and the refineries. Which I can handle pretty easily

Will still do a separate line feeding the extractors and such and the rest feeding the main grid

[glacial drum]

I honestly don’t even know what mine will take later. I just know I’m gonna double my power output since I’m going from using half of the nodes to full ones with my new belts

I may be able to do some math though, given a few minutes.

[lost oak]

I'm going to go from 1050 Watts to 10K, so it'll be a pretty monumental increase for me

[glacial drum]

Mine will take 4,419 MW to run and it’ll generaaate lemme see

[toxic lichen]

thats almost my entire grid
wtf ;-;

[glacial drum]

rounding down it’ll make 140k

[toxic lichen]

;-;

what are you powering

the sun?

[lost oak]

With fuel?

[glacial drum]

Rocket fuel

[lost oak]

I wanna avoid using nuclear. Too much hassle

[glacial drum]

Some machines have very high power usage later game

[lost oak]

I thought all types of fuel made the same power in the fuel generator

[toxic lichen]

e'-e'
most ive seen is 400mw on 1

[lost oak]

Just different burning times

[toxic lichen]

that is correct

so the more burn time
the less it needs
to more you can spread to other fuel gens

[glacial drum]

Yes the longer the burn time the more it can be spread out

So yk if one takes 1 second to burn but generates 2 power and the next one makes 2 power but takes 2 seconds to burn

[lost oak]

Ah. So you just a crapton of fuel generators

[glacial drum]

Yea

[toxic lichen]

OC or base?

[lost oak]

And me thinking 40 was a lot

[glacial drum]

224 gens I believe

around that much

[toxic lichen]

cant you make it 112 at 200% OC?

[glacial drum]

Which is also a lot of power shards

[toxic lichen]

sloop the slugs

[glacial drum]

I did the calculations including the OC amount

[toxic lichen]

1 purple can make 10

[reef basin]

fyi "Watt" is 1/1000000th of a MW, which is the "base" unit game uses

[toxic lichen]

we using that much huh

Forgot KW is like
not actually alot

[reef basin]

(it's kW, not KW)

[lost oak]

I'm aware. Just misswrote xd

[glacial drum]

I may drop the amount I’m making however to avoid more than one belt of sulfur being used

[toxic lichen]

i like big letter ;-;

[glacial drum]

As it stands I’d need 1560 sulfur for this

[reef basin]

but it's written with small letter 🙂

[glacial drum]

1170 nitrogen gas too

780 coal which is fine.

So either I drop the number, find a new area, or belt two sulfur over

[toxic lichen]

nuh uh

[glacial drum]

Hm

Lemme check the interactive map rq

[reef basin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo-

The International System of Units reserves the lowercase symbol k.

[toxic lichen]

nuh uh ;-;

you cant win this with logic
and research >:(

[reef basin]

well then I'm assuming you're a troll 🤷

[toxic lichen]

no i just cant read

[glacial drum]

There’s a sulfur node close enough to belt

For reference I’m doing this on the west coast

I think before I do this however I MAY need to automate power shards lmao

I have a few hundred and a few hundred are already being used anyways but it’s still A LOt

I’ve also got to decide on if I want to tear down the old factory or not

I can expand it but I feel like it looks ancient compared to how I build now

Power shards seem relatively easy to automate wow

[hidden pebble]

Is it worth automating if you're not using power matrices or ion fuel?

[glacial drum]

I’ll need 672 atleast just for my fuel plant

So I think it’ll be worth it

Plus I don’t really do stuff just for the worth I just have fun

[glacial drum]

• unless I don’t OC genshin

Gens*

[unkempt blade]

I think yes at least if you plan to build at large scale frequently. Fully OCed cuts the number of machines down to 40% of what they should have taken to get the same output

[hidden pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/focalors-focalor-hydro-archon-god-furina-gif-6936189725343898641

[hidden pebble]

I usually handfeed my encoder's storages before a big project, like now. Also i sloop it.

[glacial drum]

I’ve just got to figure out what to do with the byproduct of dark matter/even getting any in the first place. SCIM says to use the byproduct as a source for DM crystals for the synthetic shards but it doesn’t show any way to inject any into the system at first. I think I’ll just setup an injector/ maybe just fuel it with the dark matter residue off SAM and funnel any excess into DM crystals to be sunk

[unkempt blade]

You could probably get a similar result by just automating them normally and giving them a fixed storage space (depot, single container) if you wanted to

[glacial drum]

I think I’ll look at some people’s setups first to get an idea of smth smart to do. Maybe I should include power shards in a larger factory?

[hidden pebble]

I guess every machine before tier 9 can be overclocked. You usually don't wanna clock your hadron colliders or encoders.

[unkempt blade]

they're not sinklable so it's not even possible to have them run 24/7 unless you're using them

[ornate saffron]

If you are dealing with phase 5 stuff there you'll need it

[unkempt blade]

you could OC those if you wanted to but you'll probably get more benefit OCing high quantity machines

the effort-savings will feel more worth it compared to the increased power cost

[glacial drum]

Ill def just have to do some math by hand to figure out the DMR

[hidden pebble]

Well you do need to set some sam aside to generate the crystals. Rest of the crystals you can just feedback. And maybe use time crystals for reducing sam usage.

[unkempt blade]

Or any type of generator should be OCed imo. There's zero downside except for using the shards

[hidden pebble]

OCing power and extractors is a given

[glacial drum]

I can also save power by turning off my nuclear pasta crap. I’ve had it on for a good 20 hours or so so i have MORE than enough pasta atp

saves a lot considering they’re going through multiple OC and slooped machines

[unkempt blade]

Wait! Won't somebody please think of the coupons

[glacial drum]

Because like I first mentioned I’m doing all this to up my power generation

[glacial drum]

Oh I’m definitely gonna make smth for coupons however it’ll be less.. sloop intensive

[hidden pebble]

1k pasta in 20 hours?

[glacial drum]

I’ve got more than 1k

I had over 3k stored the last time i checked

Lemme check smth

Think I
made 4/min atleast

So 4800? If it only has been 20 hours

I can check when I’m home later. But I’ve already sunk like 3k atleast lol

Fun fact guess who hasn’t automated a single elevator part (except pasta) Since versatile framework

I’m so dead when I have to automate the missile lookin thing for this phase

[hidden pebble]

Maybe don't 🤣

[glacial drum]

Oh I def won’t for a good few days

I’m 231 hours in rn

[hidden pebble]

I need to bring 3k nitrogen spanning across 2.5 km. What method can i use?

[glacial drum]

Pipe

[hidden pebble]

💀

[glacial drum]

It’s a gas so headlift won’t matter

Mate you’re throwing a skull at me but what other choice do you have here 😭

[hidden pebble]

Will auto connect properly connect them?

[glacial drum]

i believe for auto connect you need to have a bit of pipe/belt coming out of the blueprints end

so it’ll depend if you made the print right

good luck..

[hidden pebble]

😭 this megafactory is coming back to bite me in the ass full time

The entire swamp floor is filled with conveyor belts.

[quasi warren]

Ik im late, but yeah.

[glacial drum]

If ya build above em all nobody will know!

[hidden pebble]

All buildings are above em. Belts run along the mud

[bitter crow]

should i have a dedicated factory for producing simple parts such as screws and iron plates?

[eager palm]

Only to feed the dimensional depot

[reef basin]

if you mean dedicated factory that makes them for storage and personal usage - yes
if you mean centralised factory so that other factories take from it - no

[bitter crow]

ill do that then, thanks

[hybrid nymph]

I am playing modded Satisfactory and only on tier 2, and have refined power installed, and am currently generating 300MW is that good?

[versed mesa]

So is the update on Experimental now?

[bright echo]

Where can I read up on what exactly changed in Experimental because what is posted in patch notes is more of a patch announcement?

[versed mesa]

😭

[quasi warren]

I play with refined power, fun mod, are you mostly using wind turbines mk1?

[ornate saffron]

There is a live stream day. I the patch notes will likely be update when that happens

[bright echo]

I pray. I am dreading for less sunburn when working on my factories

[unkempt blade]

yeah confirmation of liquid carts incoming!

[tall lantern]

melt down alll the carts

[bitter crow]

mkay so my apologies for all the questions i have asked, but is 33 screws/minute viable for use later in the game? is 33 screws a minute enough even in the later parts of the game?

[void cliff]

you guys have any decent "non-vanilla" starting locations? One I like is near the blue crater, has several iron nodes, copper, and caterium all in one place. Another not far to the west has coal, sulfur, SAM, copper, iron, and limestone

[quasi warren]

I just use recipes that completely remove screws

Its hell for me

[bitter crow]

i was thinking about building and personal use

[quasi warren]

Ah, most buildings dont use screws either

Its really just the awesome shop

[primal path]

Hi, what's the rule on posting how many times in #1201555265942724758

[quasi warren]

Unless you are doing satisfactory +

Then EVERY machine takes screws

[wispy osprey]

What did ps5 patch update do??

I'm a little confused

[bitter crow]

thanks for the information

[wispy osprey]

You can remove screws completely by phase 2

Before that turn iron ingots into screws with an alt

[quasi warren]

Its a mod

Satisfactory +

One of the things it does it make it so to build ANYTHING you need screws

[wispy osprey]

Right, I know nothing about mods

I was never a fan of screws anyway, machines just shit so many of them out

[quasi warren]

Well of you do satisfactory +? A smelter? Screws. Assembler? Screws. Conveyor belts? Screws. You get the idea.

[wispy osprey]

Sounds a bit overkill

[quasi warren]

Its a realism mod. Similar to the ones in factorio and Greg tech in Minecraft

[green fiber]

Its a difficulty mod

[quasi warren]

Yea

[green fiber]

Reality is just a place to look for difficulty

[quasi warren]

If you wana automate iron? Build a modular miner, then pump the ore to a crusher. Now you have to deal with a byproduct of concrete. Then the crushed ore can be smelted down

And there is iron wire too.

Actual iron wire. Not the recipe

It gets complicated FAST

[wispy osprey]

If i had the ability to make mods, I'd make qols like:

● pipes and fluid mechanics that function like factorio
● Asphalt roads that can be built and curved like rail tracks
● Ability to turn off conveyor belts and ability to clear all conveyors and machines like a "flush"

[quasi warren]

2nd one has already been made i think

Cant remember tho

[green fiber]

The factorio pipe option seems overkill imo.
Especially if the throughput was also basically infinite

[wispy osprey]

Fluid is an infinite resource which is kind of an issue

I just
Don't like doing fluid math as much

But that comes with the territory

[quasi warren]

Its easy for me :P

[green fiber]

If fluids worked a bit better the math would be the same as belts

But like... in every direction

Throughout math at least

[wispy osprey]

That would be very very nice

[green fiber]

That is something that is achievable and that is the suggestion i made on the QA site

The main fluid math problem ua that stuff oscillates too much sometimes and especially in places where its really disruptive

Curbing the oscillation is the only fix needed.

That and some other bugs

Mostly connection stuff and like one junction related thing

[wispy osprey]

Fluid fixes would motivate me enough to play the game again

Im aware you can still make fluid processes "work" they're just not perfect yet

[green fiber]

Bottom feeding working would be nice

Works in theory - breaks in practice because of oscillation causing interruptions

[wispy osprey]

Hopefully this catches more attention because fluid efficiency is a big deal late game

[green fiber]

Gasses suffer a lot sometimes

[wispy osprey]

I thought i heard gasses had it easier because of less gravity concerns

Maybe i heard wrong

[green fiber]

If its something gravity causes yes

Gasses can do bottom feeding more easily

But both systems face issues with high flow rate in uneven pipe splits

Good ol "help my 600/min rocket fuel plant doesnt work"

[wispy osprey]

Like a manifold feeder? That's the original idea I had with refineries

[green fiber]

Mostly manifolds fed from one end

But also just some gas lines, especially the high throughput stuff like dark matter residue

[wispy osprey]

The other advice I hear is it needs a loop (without vertical deviation) at the end

[quasi warren]

About this, if a system needs 600 fluid a min, do you just inject it in the other end? Or will that also cause issues

[green fiber]

You should inject from 2 ends

Aka split in half equally and inject from 2 ends

Which is basically the same as looping

A perfect 50/50 can also work without loops

[wispy osprey]

What if you have 600m³ going in both ends

At the proper machine count*

[green fiber]

Sounds like the system should be split in half

If you can do 2 x 600 you should be able to do 1 x 600 in 2 systems

[wispy osprey]

[green fiber]

Smaller network size is always preferable

Dont frankenstein it

[wispy osprey]

A lot of things need like 300000000000 refineries for no reason though

[green fiber]

And that doesnt mean you should hook them all up to the same network

[wispy osprey]

True

[dire needle]

where is the ideal location for steel factory?

[green fiber]

30000000 refineries, but grouped so each group takes 1 x 600 at max

[wispy osprey]

Sorry for the exaggeration, the more I've played phase 3 the more I've grown to dislike refineries

[zenith pecan]

If I tried to build that many refineries, I think my sanity would be long gone.

[wispy osprey]

If you can find your materials near water, build there

[wispy osprey]

You learn to hate copper

[dire needle]

water for steel?

[wispy osprey]

Water for iron, iron ingot + coal

[zenith pecan]

Tempered copper would less irritating to use and I have a free oil cluster.

[dire needle]

ah

[zenith pecan]

Actually, two free oil clusters.

[green fiber]

Leached copper

[zenith pecan]

Urgh sulphuric acid and fifty thousand refineries.

[green fiber]

Better than 3000000 refineries

Its like 3 x faster than pure

[wispy osprey]

Sulfur use tho

There's already so little it it in the world

[stone python]

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[green fiber]

People with sulfur concerns use too much turbo / rocket fuel is my take

Everything else is better at being conservative with sulfur

[wispy osprey]

That's what I'm starting to think, I think you can get away with 100mw at that stage

[zenith pecan]

Naa, that place runs the electric for all my needs, I do need to rebuild my ammo into a better automation though, the old one was an on the sand rush job thats been taken out.

[wispy osprey]

But people make rf monsters and go overkill draining sulfur reserves

[zenith pecan]

I'll get the game loaded in a bit, right now I'm doing work mandated "training" haha, repeated yearly 🤮

[wispy osprey]

I only want a 100mw plant

[green fiber]

Even max nuclear uses less sulfur

Even max Instant Scrap aluminum uses less sulfur

Turbo and rocket still have a bad power per sulfur ratio

[zenith pecan]

I never bothered with the instant crap recipe, sloppy/electrodes numbers can be meshed perfectly and never the waste & fresh waters shall meet, though I do get fewer ingots with pure instead of standard.

[green fiber]

imagine leached silica.
(i dont mean quartz purification)

[wispy osprey]

Given enough time it's infinite anyway

[zenith pecan]

Right, back to the training modules 💤 , next stop, fire safety.

[wispy osprey]

I know aluminum ingots aren't only used for yourself at that stage in the game

[zenith pecan]

I diverted 300 aluminium ingots to converters in order to make trigons.

[wispy osprey]

300/s? That's kinda tiny

[zenith pecan]

The purpose is simple, trigons into depot so I can spam mk6 belts where needed.

[wispy osprey]

Good call

[zenith pecan]

Besides, the refinery produces 12300 ingots, so whats 300 for trigons in the depot 🙂

[wispy osprey]

What about casings for containers

[wispy osprey]

Ah that amount is more than enough

[green fiber]

is 12300 not like kinda the max

without doing ore alchemy

[wispy osprey]

Must be maximum efficiency with mk6 belts

Not sure if they're tossing sloops into the buildings

I would only use sloops on slugs and nuke energy

[ember escarp]

Anyone want to beta test my nuclear power blueprints I made? Where would be a good place to find beta testers?

[quasi warren]

Explain wdym by this T-T

[rustic urchin]

What’s the best map that has the flattest area for new players that are willing to deal with difficulty but isn’t ugly I think the 1st map is too bland

[wispy osprey]

Converters

[green fiber]

Tier 9 magic

[quasi warren]

Ahhh. Tier 9. Explains it

[hidden pebble]

SAM is single handedly the LR for most recipes

[green fiber]

You can just walk over to the other regions

[rustic urchin]

Are all the maps connected?

[green fiber]

Its 1 map

[wispy osprey]

It's all one map

And it's also not as big as you might think

[rustic urchin]

All the starting maps aren’t really maps they’re just starting areas?

[green fiber]

Yes

[quasi warren]

Yea

[green fiber]

The map is giant

[rustic urchin]

So by choosing 1/4 starting areas I can go to one of the 3 I didn’t choose

[quasi warren]

If you wana move after landing somewhere? You can move no problem

[wispy osprey]

It is pretty darn big yeah

[quasi warren]

I have factories all around the map now

[green fiber]

Yeah you can go to any of the other areas anytime

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, however you might encounter some local folk that are abit... large...

[rustic urchin]

Transporting loot sounds hectic assuming the tractor stops don’t transfer stuff across them

[wispy osprey]

You'll want a parachute for drops if you can get it

[zenith pecan]

Can get a bit more using standard scrap to ingots method, I sacrificed some output with the pure aluminium ingot recipe.

[hidden pebble]

And also have green stuff dripping

[rustic urchin]

I just got the unlock for coal and water power

[quasi warren]

Their main use is transporting resources

Or atleast automating the routes for it

[zenith pecan]

I'm answering questions in here instead of focusing on the fire safety module 🤣 , my work will be so proud of me.

[mortal ginkgo]

all sort of green...

#satisfactory message

[wispy osprey]

We all hate nuke hogs here

They're obnoxious

[rustic urchin]

Yeah but I’m saying does they’re tractor stops depot work like a ender chest I dont fully understand the tractors

I’ve so far sunk 2 in water

[quasi warren]

No. Nothing really works like an enderchest

[green fiber]

Except the Depot

[quasi warren]

If you wana bring mass quantities of items? Fill the tractor, and drive

[green fiber]

But its kinda one way

[rustic urchin]

Are there shulkers

[quasi warren]

Nope. Besides the depot.

[green fiber]

Not really

[rustic urchin]

Fah

[green fiber]

Tractors can automatically drop and pick up items (from stations) though

The stations are designed for that

[quasi warren]

Using the truck stations. Yeah

[wispy osprey]

This game is not Minecraft

[quasi warren]

I usually wait to do trucks and tractors untill I set up infrastructure

[rustic urchin]

I know I just don’t know how else to ask what I’m trying to ask

[green fiber]

You can use a tractor as a makeshift shulker if you wanna use those terms lol.

Drivable shulker

[quasi warren]

I have a rule of thumb that i was shown here. <2000m, trucks and belts. >2000m, trains

[wispy osprey]

I feel kind there isn't an easy way to measure distance

At least not very conventional

[rustic urchin]

Issue I got a full inventory + full tractor already but don’t wanna make multiple trips

[quasi warren]

I use the scanner pings

[wispy osprey]

Oh right, that

[elfin smelt]

just trash excess items

resources are plenty

keep a stack of each inportant resource and store less used items and you are good to go

[wispy osprey]

Highlighted map markers are a good way to measure distance

[stone python]

train everything, even for the next building over.

[wispy osprey]

A "building" can be any size so I guess this is technically true

Architecture has no strict ruleset, it's just more fun to follow a strict system

[quasi warren]

You say this, and then there's me that builds spaghetti pipes to supply nuclear generators

[hidden pebble]

You're due for a heart attack looking at my swamp belt spaghetti

[wispy osprey]

As long as said pipe isn't 2km lmao

[stone python]

i love me some good spaghetti

[chilly mirage]

someone tested experimental ? They change UE O.o how is performance now ?

[wispy osprey]

At that point just pack and unpack i guess

[wispy osprey]

It's just bringing console QOL to pc

I still don't know anything about the console patch that just dropped

[stone python]

they also upped the UE version which should bring some opti, but we will see once the big cats do testing

[chilly mirage]

"For this Experimental release, one of the big changes is that we’ve upgraded our Unreal Engine version all the way to 5.6.1 which as usual with engine upgrades, alongside many improvements it might also bring in unexpected bugs or other unexpected behaviour" that part is interesting 😄

[wispy osprey]

My guess is they'll finally have proper render priority in specific situations

[stone python]

ill sell myself for some 1.2 though, lets be real

[wispy osprey]

You don't want hundreds of machines to be still loaded behind walls as if they're still there

You only want them to visibly be there if you go behind said wall

[chilly mirage]

also available on steam from now

[stone python]

the only thing on my wish list is for swamp zone optio, cause that zone tanks my fps when i fly into it :wheeze:

[hidden pebble]

Guys ada gives some hilarious commentary when you kill a doggo

[stone python]

woah woah woah. why you killing doggos

[wispy osprey]

(Don't kill a doggo)

[wispy osprey]

I'm part of the minority that wants Shapez 2 to have a console version

A very small minority of just 1 person so far

[hidden pebble]

I'm ready for collateral damage when stingers are chasing me

[quasi warren]

I did that by accident cause I hit a doggo with a nuke explosion

[stone python]

fair enough. a nuke (or 5) is a proportionate response to stingers

[quasi warren]

The commentary is funny af however

[unkempt blade]

should run a steamdeck if that counts

[agile crater]

i suck at this game how do i get better

[unkempt blade]

keep playing

[stone python]

by playing more honestly

[tall lantern]

practice more, and be more specific about what you're having trouble with

[wispy osprey]

At this point I'm more likely to get a steam machine

It's apparently on par with a ps5 but no subscription is necessary

[agile crater]

i feel like on this playthrough im doing im backtracking 10x more than my last one

[wispy osprey]

I just gotta wait until the machine drops

[unkempt blade]

I would assume Shapez would be more console-friendly than mostly factory games though. I don't remember the UI being nearly as overwhelming as other games

[wispy osprey]

I really like shapez 2 aesthetic and the infinite endgame loop is a good sell

[unkempt blade]

I still don't know how people play satis with a controller. Blows my pc gamer mind 🤣

[hidden pebble]

Watching a peak battle between elite stinger and nuke hog

[wispy osprey]

I've done it for a good amount of time, it's pretty easy

[agile crater]

why are reinforced iron plates so hard to make\

[kind spade]

How do I make excited photonic matter

okay found it

[unborn vessel]

ok

im in desperate need of a bp

[old sequoia]

what part of you struggling with?

[unborn vessel]

it needs to hold more then 1 fuel generator

in a mk 2 bp machine

[agile crater]

im working on phase 2 of space elevator so i have nothing and i need so much for vesitile framework

[ornate saffron]

Its seems like a lot. Break it down into bite sized portions.

Satisfactory tools can help with the math.

[unkempt blade]

and then break those pieces into pieces and those pieces into pieces and then move those tiny little pieces of pieces of pieces in factory carts

[round matrix]

yoo did we just get a release date for the release date of 1.2 EXP

[agile crater]

ok

[ornate saffron]

No, dev stream today though

[round matrix]

🧍

[ornate saffron]

Tune in and maybe you'll see something that excites you.

Personally im okay waiting.

[autumn wing]

Apparently we get a video tomorrow with 1.2 details

Or latest thursday

[ember escarp]

If you disable fog, you can go down to the south edge of the map and go off the cliff and build at the lowest point on the map. You will see beautiful waterfalls and a second sun under the map. And it has huge flat area to build on.

[leaden turret]

rain confirmed for 1.2

[glacial drum]

Alright smart folk how many power shards is a good amount
per min

[karmic elm]

Chat, any alternate recipes i should unlock before i start aluminum production?

[quasi warren]

Sloppy alumina

And pure aluminum ingots.

Completely removes silica from the production line

[dreamy nest]

Ooo

Silica is annoying the hell out of me right now

I'll have to look for that recipe lol

[quasi warren]

You just have to put in coal, and water, and find a way to deal with the water byproduct

I use wet concrete, turn that water to concrete, then sink it

Constant aluminum

I made a huge slab over the swamp, and most is filled with smelters, constructors, assemblers making a ton of aluminum

[sick holly]

Any way to get epic games player to a steam world?

just wondering since one persons on my world rn

wanting to join

[dreamy nest]

Email the save file to the epic player?

[sick holly]

oh

[dreamy nest]

I haven't tried it but I'm pretty sure it would work

[unkempt blade]

unless you're trying to move the host player from one to the other you should just be able to connect usually the normal UI

[crude holly]

So what actually is changed with the new update?

[unkempt blade]

fluid stuff is even more perfect than it already was

[sleek halo]

What change in the new experimental ?

[unkempt blade]

see above

[sleek halo]

Oh

Pretty good

[crude holly]

So should I back up my save and move to experimental?

[unkempt blade]

I mean it's never a bad idea to back up your save

[mellow bolt]

guys should i buy satisfactory now or wait for a sale 😄

[unkempt blade]

do you like $13 or immediate gratification more?

[mellow bolt]

huh?

talk in normal language

[unkempt blade]

that's the trade off, I'm helping you decide 🙂

[tall lantern]

buy it now, why wait

[mellow bolt]

bc

[hollow hemlock]

then buy it later

[tall lantern]

then wait, why buy now

[unkempt blade]

because you like immediate gratification more than $13

[mellow bolt]

lol what is this help xdddd

[tall lantern]

the help was "buy it now" 😛

whether you want to do that is entirely up to you

[mellow bolt]

i guess im buying it now...

[tall lantern]

the tradeoffs are yours to weigh

[unkempt blade]

buy it now then buy it a few more times when it's on sale and force your friends to play

[hollow hemlock]

it's enumerating the options, what do you want us to do, decide for you? Sure, send over your credit card and we can take care of it for you

[tall lantern]

(which, incidentally, will be good practice for weighing alt recipes)

[mellow bolt]

gng im js asking if its worth the full price or if its much better with a discount

[dreamy nest]

It's worth it

[acoustic plinth]

Can anyone give a quick rundown of the key changes in the new beta?

[inner echo]

2600 hours (and not stopping) for $30...if anything...I feel like I didn't pay enough.

[unkempt blade]

you can already tell he's going to be unhappy when someone tells him "it depends" when he asks what the best recipe is

[mellow bolt]

alright say less

[dreamy nest]

On the other hand

[tall lantern]

yeah this is one game that's very easy to sink hundreds or thousands of hours in, if you vibe with it

[dreamy nest]

We could convince them not to buy it at all and we wouldn't have to deal with them again maybe

[quasi warren]

Yea. Set the game to epic instead of steam for multiplayer, then send them the join code

[unkempt blade]

I actually didn't know about this one. I use the server manager for basically everything

[quasi warren]

Im guessing they mean epic to join local through steam

[glacial drum]

Using a VIP junction you can use the water as a feed for the alumina makers

[quasi warren]

I dont do that :P

[glacial drum]

Yea I did my first factory but this time I did not

[white dawn]

You can also do that without a VIP Junction if you keep the fresh + recycled water pipes totally separate

[glacial drum]

Also true

[sterile blade]

Yes, the big rebirth!
Hopefully I can one-up myself 🤞 (more sushi, bigger scale... and better decor maybe?!)

Wow, most vague #patch-notes yet 😭

[tall lantern]

What's Changed?

• stuff
• things

[white dawn]

• a number of 0s got turned into 1s and vice-versa

[autumn wing]

We get a video about the update tomorrow

[white dawn]

Yeah, they're usually pretty good with patch notes, though (although patch notes for the console version have been a bit looser)

[crude holly]

Can I just use 16 coal generators pre fuel generating?

[white dawn]

It's not unusual to end Phase 2 with anywhere from 32-64 coal gens

[toxic lichen]

i had 16 ;-;

i still have 16

[crude holly]

Ahh okay I’ll just try to smash more in

[toxic lichen]

i OC them to 200% when i got to fuel

so theyre basically 32 now

[crude holly]

I’ve got the ability to use tier 2 miners so 4 normal rocks with t2 miners if I were to maximize out put

Only issue I’m thinking is how I’ll try to make that not look buttass ugly with 64 generators

[acoustic bear]

man the world looks much uglier when you cluster bomb everything and remove all the flora/fauna

lol

[toxic lichen]

240 per 16 gens iirc

a normal node with mk2 miner is 300 max OC

[unkempt blade]

15 coal per generator if you're not overclocking

[quasi warren]

I had roughly 56 coal gens total

[hollow hemlock]

thats cause you're supposed to nuke it instead, then its pretty

[acoustic bear]

lol irradiate the world

[hollow hemlock]

there's more worlds where this one came from

[acoustic bear]

I just have an irrational hatred for trees

[whole robin]

Should I wait to expand my power production, since I only need to start making adaptive core units to reach the next phase and I can start working towards rocket fuel instead of having to redo all of my pipelines? I currently have a capacity of around 12000 mw

[whole robin]

Lore accurate

[hollow hemlock]

12k is plenty to move forward though you'll want to embiggen when you start slooping fully overclocked particle accellerators 😄

[fickle locust]

If you're on the verge of the next phase where you'll be making different power then yeah I'd focus on unlocking things rather than improving stuff that's about to be partially-obsoleted

[acoustic bear]

I'm extremely ineffiecient and have tons of shit just going into the shredder

[whole robin]

In any other context I would think you're talking nonsense. Unfortunately, I understand every word you said

[void cliff]

So the magical waterfall cave has blade runners, and a xeno-basher. Is there anything else that can be found on the map, like a hazmat suit or the gas mask? I know you can get a jetpack in Tier 0 if you get very very lucky.

[karmic elm]

Thanks alot! ❤️

[quasi warren]

Np

[carmine beacon]

performance is VASTLY better on my machine

[wintry carbon]

i got 160 refinerys making iron ingots, i need about 7385 water a minute, is it better to use fluid buffers or packaged water provided by train ?

[dreamy nest]

Depends

[hollow hemlock]

probably better in that instance to build your thing near the ocean

[ornate saffron]

in a ideal world you wont have to transpiort water. youd build at the water and move the ingots.

But if you have to move water long distancce most ppl package it

'

[hollow hemlock]

or run big units of pipes, are there any water wells nearby that could take a chunk of that requirement

[wintry carbon]

whats the benefit of packaged water ?

[hollow hemlock]

more can fit in a single train

[wintry carbon]

i am in the desert

[hollow hemlock]

build it offshore

[acoustic bear]

it's not super hard to build a pipe blueprint and autoconnect it across long distances

[ornate saffron]

less pipe issues. since ytou are not piping it a long way. and you get double the amount in a freight care if its packaged

[wintry carbon]

i got a water plant set up already, will change it to packaged water

[acoustic bear]

I've got a couple ~1-2km pipes setup

as long as they're level you're golden

you can pipe water from the center of the map to the outer edges mostly

[hollow hemlock]

I've got one such unit for collecting all the oil nearby, but for water it's just too easy to move offshore and get as much as you want

[acoustic bear]

like I got a couple setups where the water is up on cliffs and then piped a ways before dropping down to the refiners

[wintry carbon]

i provite by train now but with 2 fluids/pipe and 2,5 pipe for 16 refinerys it seems a bit of shortage ..

not huge but still

[acoustic bear]

I run pipes and belts everywhere using blueprints lol

and once you have conveyors up, you can run on the belts

[tropic holly]

Is it possible to increase the size of text on billboards and such?

[hollow hemlock]

for your 7385 requirement you're going to need at least 13 mk 2 pipes coming from your train station, unpackaging closer to smaller units of refineries might help with that some, but thats still ~7 full mk 6 belts of water cartons 😮

[acoustic bear]

yes

[acoustic bear]

look at the bottom bar of the settings

there are some ways to change layouts and stuff

it's not immediately apparent IMO

[tropic holly]

The only thing i find is to change the layout, i simply want 1 big number on my screen

[wintry carbon]

i need 3 mk2 pipes for 32 refinerys

[acoustic bear]

which billboard are you using

[wintry carbon]

and that times 5

[tropic holly]

Small billboard

[acoustic bear]

hit layout in the bottom left corner and then scroll all the way down

[tropic holly]

for some reason that only allows me to display "10"

nvm im dumb

[acoustic bear]

if you select that one and then back out and reselect the billboard it'll let you change

it's slightly bugged or something

it doesn't give you the edit option right awway

[tropic holly]

didn't notice it also changed the text... TY

[acoustic bear]

no problem

I only recently figured that out myself

[lavish tide]

Hello everyone

[split cosmos]

guys i keep forgetting, smart splitters overflow, is overflow after "any" is full or it overflow this and then it goes to any

[acoustic bear]

any first, then overflow

it'll always go any unless it's backed up

[split cosmos]

thank you

[golden nexus]

any mean behave like a splitter, overflow means all other "normal" outputs need to be blocked

[acoustic bear]

you can use them with priority mergers to make compressors

[tidal dock]

Is there a way to edit belts without dismantling them?

[acoustic bear]

you can add splitters/mergers in the middle of them

[tidal dock]

I want to change the height

[acoustic bear]

not really

[toxic lichen]

can you?

wouldve saved me a lot of dismantling

[acoustic bear]

ya

I just double checked lol

[toxic lichen]

@gloomy tusk i found your nemesis

[acoustic bear]

[glacial drum]

Automated 10 power shards a minute mwahahahhahaa

[tidal dock]

Do power shards last forever or will I need to replace them eventually?

[acoustic bear]

last forever

[tidal dock]

excellent

[acoustic bear]

when used in machines

there are some processes that can consume them but that's way advanced

[tall lantern]

not recommended, mind, usually better to build the splitters/mergers first then attach the belts

[agile crater]

im space elevator phase 2 woooooooo

[jaunty vault]

Are mercer spheres only for upgrading the depot in the MAM?

[quasi warren]

And building more depots

Yea

[jaunty vault]

Ty

Also what do you guys walk around with in ur hand? The basher is too big

[paper star]

coffee or nothing

[quasi warren]

I just press h to put em away

[paper star]

90% of the time im on my hoverpack

[jaunty vault]

Where do u get the coffee?

[paper star]

awesome shop i believe

[fluid crow]

gunn

[wispy condor]

OMFG ! just got almost 20 minutes of loading remove
( almost 1hour to 40 ish min )
I LOVE YOU ALL THE DEVS
( new update today )

[fluid crow]

wot

[sweet arch]

Question! I have a coal plant and a biofuel plant, now my power graph is telling me im producin 450MW, which is what my coal produces, but my capacity is 750. and by the look of it my biofuel is just not moving. so is it actually prioritizing coal by itself?

[jaunty vault]

Doesnt make even a lick of sense

[quasi warren]

Yeah

[paper star]

biofuel does not get consumed unless it is needed by your grid

[quasi warren]

Biofuel consumes fuel based on how much is needed.

If ur coal plant is producing more then what's needed? Fuel wont be consumed

[sweet arch]

oh heck yes! thanks. im really happy with my first coal plant maybe ill post a picture of it

[acoustic bear]

I love how this game makes every step feel like a big accomplishment

figuring out coal, fuel, turbofuel etc all build the excitement

getting that first automated biofuel setup as well

[tidal dock]

You're not wrong, setting up a coal power plant felt like a huge accomplishment and now I just setup steel production and that also feels like it's a giant step forward.

looks super janky but if it works, it works lol

[acoustic bear]

yup

cause I hate to "one up" people and be like "just wait until you get X" because everything is equally worthy of praise

each thing makes it better

[tidal dock]

also one persons "I'll have that in a hour so I'll wait" is another persons 12 hour journey

[quasi warren]

Like setting up ur first nuclear plant

[acoustic bear]

right lol

[jaunty vault]

How did you guys build your trains? Im making 2 rails but I dont really understand how to make train stops if im using double rails

[acoustic bear]

you can build a loop setup or a single back and forth rail

[quasi warren]

I just wing it. And pray nothing breaks LOL

[acoustic bear]

I did a loop

[brazen pecan]

hey would i like this game if liked palworld's automation system

[glacial drum]

Gonna make a 62 smth mod frame factory soon

[quasi warren]

Completely different automation system i think

[jaunty vault]

With the loop, are your train stops branched off and then they re join on the other rail?

[quasi warren]

This one uses splitters, mergers, belts, pipes, manifolds, etc

[acoustic bear]

if you like connecting converyors, you'll love this game

[quasi warren]

Connecting conveyors simulator™

[fluid crow]

I've heard people make some comparisons

[brazen pecan]

then yeah thanks yall

[jaunty vault]

Also do the train stations point in the directions the trains will leave or enter?

[tall lantern]

leave

[fluid crow]

leave if it's not bi-directional

[tall lantern]

well, rather, they face away from where the train has to enter

cus yeah if you've got a train with engines facing both ways then it can leave either way (though that opens its own can of worms)

[jaunty vault]

Can u remind me why I need 2 rails its not clicking in my head rn

[tall lantern]

because trains can crash

[acoustic bear]

I do a loop

[fluid crow]

can only stop in one direction though

[tall lantern]

and bidirectional tracks are a nightmare to signal

[acoustic bear]

^

[jaunty vault]

So one rail is to and the other is from

[acoustic bear]

even if just going point to point it's easy to setup a loop of rails

[tall lantern]

it's like a road

one lane for one direction, one for the other

[acoustic bear]

just make a blue print of two parallel rails and auto connect it along the way.

[jaunty vault]

Do you put one trains shit onto another train to get them to “switch” directions or do you do something else

For some reason my brain dumbs out with the trains

[tall lantern]

the two lanes don't have to be completely disconnected, you can add a turn

[acoustic bear]

you can put trains on each end of the carriages and make them each run a route back and forth

[dreamy nest]

That's what I do

[tall lantern]

that only works for the simplest setups, mind

if you try to scale that you end up with said signalling nightmare

[acoustic bear]

yup

[tall lantern]

I'd just build it properly first time

[acoustic bear]

but it's common for beginners. I think the loop is vastly superior and easy with blueprinting

blueprinting a parallel rail setup on a raised platform is a great way to cover long distance

[dreamy nest]

What's the proper way 🤣

[tall lantern]

all tracks have a single direction of travel. So whether that's a loop, or a pair or rails, or some other setup

[acoustic bear]

use a power tower with platform as the legs and build a foundation on top of it with parallel rails

then you can move power and trains long distance

[dreamy nest]

Oh just build your trains in the air 😂

[fluid crow]

push pull is great for small setups but only scales so big

[acoustic bear]

you can squeeze a battery in under the legs as well and build out your battery network as you go too

[jaunty vault]

So confusing

[white dawn]

Rail already carries power itself, btw, no need to run other power in parallel unless you want to

[tall lantern]

it's really not, you just might want to play with it a bit before getting a bunch of people saying the same-but-not-the-same things 😛

[dreamy nest]

That gives me heartburn 😂

[acoustic bear]

you'd have to make a station to access it

but yeah

[jaunty vault]

Ill do that thanks

[white dawn]

If I'm making rail, anywhere I might want to run power would have a station anyway, but sure, fair point. :)

(I actually always run power separately anyway 'cause I don't want to risk rail tinkering potentially messing with grids. I think I'm in the minority with that though)

[jaunty vault]

Maybe im thinking of them in the wrong way. Do you guys have a main train station where everything goes or do you just think of them as big conveyors

[tall lantern]

kinda the latter

definitely no central area

[jaunty vault]

Okay

[white dawn]

Big conveyors. Trains excel at A -> B transfers

[jaunty vault]

I guess i was thinking, with trains i can just bring everything to one place

OkayThanks

[white dawn]

Centralized rail depots are a nightmare unless you're really careful (and even then you're giving yourself a lot more work to do)

[hollow hemlock]

you can but it does get hard to manage after a little while

And it needs to be enormous

[tall lantern]

in ye olden days you might've had a central storage area where you'd dump everything, but a) that's redundant now, and b) that's kinda a different setup than the main point-to-point (-to-point) routes

[dreamy nest]

I built an enormous factory and have four rail lines bringing stuff into it 🤣

They're all push pull rail lines

[fluid crow]

if it works it works

[dreamy nest]

And every time I have to add a car to a line I want to cry

[acoustic bear]

I'm doing shit backwards as well

I'm building a ton of ingots and moving them to one spot

and now I'm building a mega factory

[jaunty vault]

So i will have more than 1 train?

[dreamy nest]

It's my first playthrough I'm doing every thing wrong

[acoustic bear]

you can

[tall lantern]

my Phase 5 factory's got like 6 trains bringing stuff in from all over the place, but it's basically just pick up from remote subfactories (dedicated to this, not siphoning from other production) -> bring to main P5 factory

[fluid crow]

this is for you to decide

[white dawn]

If you build more than one, sure

[acoustic bear]

me too but that's what's fun

[jaunty vault]

Ok sick

[acoustic bear]

there is no singular "Way" just the way that works for you

run everything between machines on factory carts

[muted junco]

damn the QA site interface is something else tho xD

[jaunty vault]

Im in phase 3 and the last big thing i did was set up a heavy frame factory. Now that i need to start making computers i need to get these trains down

[acoustic bear]

use cyberwagons in a circle

[vast lotus]

i also had a question regarding trains, i posted it in math-and-meta, anyone open to take a look?

[white dawn]

The main thing to keep in mind is that if you want to ever have more than one train sharing the same bit of rail, you will have a far easier time if you stick to a dual-rail system, where any bit of rail only has trains moving in the same direction, like lanes on a road

[tall lantern]

lol same analogy I gave

[quasi warren]

Cyberwagon + jump pad = WEEEEEEEEEE

[fluid crow]

my first play though my design revolved around coping with the unexpected

[white dawn]

Trying to do multiple trains on single-rail systems can work, depending on the exact circumstance, but not very well and only to a point

[jaunty vault]

So okay

[white dawn]

Oh lol, sorry, missed it. :)

[acoustic bear]

I have one train moving one item. everything else is belted in my playthrough lol

[crude holly]

So weird question. I’ve noticed a lot lately that some of my machines lead to having odd numbers or weird numbers on a belt line. How do I fix that or resolve that issue?

[white dawn]

You don't! That's fine, and you'll continue to see more and more of it

[crude holly]

Required like 45 on one side and 15 on the other

[acoustic bear]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QJfN0SHxTu0

[white dawn]

Just make sure your numbers match up. If something needs 47/min, give it 47/min

[jaunty vault]

This is my question with the 2 way system. Do you only use that to move your trains? I dont really know how to put it.

[tall lantern]

nah just good to see it made enough sense for someone else to offer it 😄

[white dawn]

Either manifold it (ie: just a line of splitters) or have one set of machines produce 45/min and another set of machines produce 15/min

[quasi warren]

I only made one train for bauxite. I belt everything else

Spaghetti heaven lol

[acoustic bear]

belt blueprints make long belt lines way too easy IMO

[white dawn]

With a simple split like 45/15 it's easy enough to split it "evenly" with just a handful of splitters, but most folks land on either manifolds or exact-production, depending on circumstance

[quasi warren]

Build sky platforms. And belt. Yeah

[acoustic bear]

yep

[jaunty vault]

Like, do a bunch of trains join the rail with the parts already loaded instead of using the rail to move the parts? So its just moving your trains

[acoustic bear]

my factory is all about 200m above sea level so only some mountains poke through pretty much and everything is on one level plane more or less

[white dawn]

Eww @ sky platforms (IMO). Building "with" the environment generally looks much nicer even if you don't put much effort into it

[fluid crow]

they need to be able to move and coordinate like real trains

[jaunty vault]

Yeah i think i actually get it now

Damn though. How could you possibly NOT use a sky platform? I mean, the train stations are long as shit. Plus all the freight platforms. How could that even fit anywhere on the ground?

Am i missing something

[acoustic bear]

all my shit is huge

trying to fit it on the ground is annoying af

[dreamy nest]

I mean mine is like 16m off the ground if I had to guess

I put my spaghetti under it

[white dawn]

Map is like 45km². Plenty of room everywhere

[crude holly]

So for example I built a smart playing and didn’t know how to manage one line needing more rods than another so I just let it split equally and would only fill as needed

[hollow hemlock]

theres plenty of open space, you might have to level the ground by covering up all that nature with concrete though. You can also go offshore or over lakes/craters for more space

[crude holly]

Definitely causes some back up but works fine

[acoustic bear]

offshore and crater work is nice too.

[white dawn]

And building up is always an option, for sure. I just prefer to make 'em look like actual buildings

[fluid crow]

in many places you probably will want elevated rails and stations(make lots of cement and iron plates😂 )

[hidden pebble]

I finally managed to pipe the required nitrogen. Todo list still long, but one big task is done ✅

[jaunty vault]

Got it. I misunderstood it to mean on the ground and not close to the ground lol

[white dawn]

I just don't like how sky platforms look. May as well not even be building on an awesome handcrafted map, etc. (Again just IMO; of course feel free to sky platform if you want :)

[jaunty vault]

Yeah the map is super good

Especially the top right/middle area. Holy shit man so many great areas and places to build

Probably where i’ll spend phase 4 and 5

[hidden pebble]

Are you talking about the desert?

[glossy pagoda]

Is there a way to see your elevation? (Console)

[acoustic bear]

elevator platforms list it I think

[tall lantern]

isn't that just relative to the elevator start though?

[acoustic bear]

you're right

I just checked

[karmic elm]

I made a train track blueprint :D

[acoustic bear]

blueprint the world

[glossy pagoda]

I’m trying to make a platform far out that aligns with my train tracks but I don’t know how to find the elevation (console)

[tall lantern]

the boring way would be to run a whole chain of foundations over there

I'm not sure there's a way to get that info in-game on console

[jaunty vault]

Yes

Also that forest with the huge trees a little lower, and those big ponds on that cliff after the radiation

[vale quail]

i heard a new mode is coming is that true ?

[tall lantern]

they've hinted at game modes being a 1.2 thing

no specifics yet I believe

[toxic lichen]

thing is

what could these potential game modes be

[tall lantern]

golf

[white dawn]

No specifics indeed, though I believe that randomized resource nodes has been pretty well hinted at. Though don't take that as a given. :)

[vale quail]

i could see a sandbox mode but we already have advance game settings

[white dawn]

Yeah, AGS already covers all that

[jaunty vault]

If they add in new things will I be able to use them in my pre-update factory?

[tall lantern]

yes

[jaunty vault]

Okay sick

[tall lantern]

it's been possible to carry a save all the way through early access

[jaunty vault]

How old is your factory?

[tall lantern]

granted in those earlier builds, recipes changed so individual factories may have (will have) stopped working, but the save itself still loads and opens fine

so it was common to restart on each major update

[jaunty vault]

Im kinda out of the loop, is there a place i can see whats coming? Or has not much been revealed yet?

Any release date

[tall lantern]

this half of the year

[dreamy nest]

Not much has been revealed.

[tall lantern]

the info'll start dripping in soon

it'll be coming to experimental, and I think we'll find out when that is in a few weeks

[jaunty vault]

Okay sick. Are the updates usually large content drops? Just wondering what to expect yk

Like a dlc kinda

[tall lantern]

probably not that big

[jaunty vault]

Thats good

[tall lantern]

the patch notes videos for previous updates are on their youtube, or lists on the wiki

we are getting rain back apparently, so that's nice

[jaunty vault]

That does not sound nice

[tall lantern]

it's just aesthetic

[fickle locust]

Updates leading up to 1.0 usually added a building or logistics mechanic (or both) but this one is likely more quality of life and aesthetic features. I wouldn't expect a new production chain

[jaunty vault]

They need to add a collar you can get from the shop so you can keep a dog

[tall lantern]

yeah nah, I'm not holding out for a T10

[tall lantern]

just feed them a berry

[quasi warren]

^

[jaunty vault]

Really?

[quasi warren]

I have over 10 doggos tamed. One gave me nuclear waste.

[jaunty vault]

What???

[quasi warren]

Like... thanks...?

[tall lantern]

bit of a mixed bag

[jaunty vault]

You can tame them wow i heard the exact opposite

[quasi warren]

Always been able to

[jaunty vault]

This is great news

[scenic mirage]

you can give it back to the dog and dispose of it that way 😉

[quasi warren]

Drop a berry, dont move, and let the dog come to you

Then pet it

[jaunty vault]

They let me pet them then run

[tall lantern]

then get out your xeno basher

[quasi warren]

You gotta feed em first

[jaunty vault]

Fat bastards

[quasi warren]

Ive done that before.

[jaunty vault]

Do you play with keep inventory on too?

[white dawn]

Doggos don't give nuclear waste since 1.0. If you had that recently then your game isn't up to date

[tall lantern]

no

[quasi warren]

Im saying like before :P

[jaunty vault]

Yea me neither i was joking

[quasi warren]

Doggos are fun to have tho

I keep em trapped in a small box

[tall lantern]

gotta suffer like the days before all these newfangled options

[scenic mirage]

who cares how someone else plays 🤷‍♂️

doesnt make any difference to you

[acoustic bear]

I play on keep inventory with passive animals

neither adds or detracts much from the experience of building conveyor spaghetti

[tidal dock]

but you miss out on the fun of getting punted off a cliff while you are trying to setup a miner >.<

[acoustic bear]

especially when you fall off the map with your inventory lost or something

[acoustic bear]

that still happens, you just don't get punished for it

ever jump into a power augmenter beam?

try to touch the somersloop

[torn lynx]

my smart splittor is only splittign what iit needs to sometimes

[acoustic bear]

ugh why isn't there more sulpher in the game

[torn lynx]

nvm i didnt see the unidentified setting

[quasi warren]

Theres a lot of sulfer i feel like, especially fully overclocked mk3 miners

[acoustic bear]

I don't have my full map covered in radar yet, maybe 75%, but I'm only counting like 10 nodes and most are impure

satisfactory calc identies 16 nodes

6 impure and 5 each normal/pure

I want like 24 nodes I feel like

[scenic mirage]

SAM 😉

[acoustic bear]

what about it

[jaunty vault]

Me too

Is there a limit to how many carts a train can pull?

[acoustic bear]

yes

fully loaded I think it's two

[jaunty vault]

Okay, good to know

[acoustic bear]

especially when you mix in hills/grades

[jaunty vault]

Is there a certain distance where trains are slower than something else or are they pretty much always the best

[drowsy kelp]

Depends on the slope of the track and how much you feel like waiting for it to start moving and stuff

[fluid crow]

you can make it up a 2m ramp grade with 4 cars per locomotive I think

prolly slow

[jaunty vault]

This sounds dumb but it it possible to connect an extra locomotive to move more carts?

[ashen meadow]

When does the story actually happen? I played a bit back in update 4 and I don't see much new in the way of story in 1.1. There's just the spooky ambiance of the somersloops and mercer spheres. That's been around since the beginning. Is there any actual story content or does it remain vibes/ambiance for the whole game?
I've progressed the game to tier 7/8 so far

[drowsy kelp]

Yes

[quasi warren]

The sloops and spheres were completely updated

[drowsy kelp]

A train can have any number of cars and locomotives

[quasi warren]

New story for all of it. And new intro scene with the drop pod too

New mam tree, etc

[jaunty vault]

Good to know. Generally do you recommend i stick with a certain amount of carts?

[ashen meadow]

There's a mechanical purpose for them and SAM now, but is there story around it?

[quasi warren]

Yes.

[drowsy kelp]

Depends on what you consider story ig

[quasi warren]

There is.

The new voicelines say a lot too

[ashen meadow]

Do I just have to collect enough of them to get voice line drops?

[jaunty vault]

I think so yes

[quasi warren]

Are you playing an old save or something?

[fluid crow]

what story or lore there is, is subtle

[fickle locust]

1 engine to 4 cars is usually the max ratio because beyond that trains have trouble moving uphill

[acoustic bear]

yes and no. it's still spooky scary ambiance mostly with no end game

[jaunty vault]

Thanks!

[ashen meadow]

Nah. New save as of 1.1.
Just haven't seen much in the way of story aside from the occasional ADA "hey your brain's doing funky things when you pick up mercer spheres"

[drowsy kelp]

Trying to find the meaning in what ??? says is fun