satisfactory

[hidden pebble]

That's a BIIIG timesink

[stray timber]

50h max. But then i have it for my whole game

[unkempt blade]

I mean you're already talking about using ALL the uranium...

[stray timber]

You know, it can just be a ring around the high part of the map

[stray timber]

Yeah. The biggest timesink is gonna be the factory itself, not gathering the resources to the spot

[little drum]

The reason there are so many is that I want to cover any possible cases for manifolds, since there is chirality everywhere. Say let's say I'm working with assemblers, I have 3 degrees of entropy to juggle with: left input direction, right input direction, output direction

Since I'm doing a x4 model and a x1 model, that's 16 blueprints already just for assemblers

[oak nymph]

What is the most efficient way to make power out of oil. Ionized fuel, turbofuel, fuel, rocket fuel

[little drum]

Now granted the x1 have no main belt so no need to upgrade

[unkempt blade]

yeah a train network is for sure a mega-project but using drones or conveyors to move uranium shouldn't be very difficult

[little drum]

It really depends on where you are in the game

Turbofuel is a good first step as fuel doesn't give much power

[oak nymph]

I'm almost done with phase 5 Just need to wait for the part to build

[tranquil zinc]

Turbofuel vs diluted fuel though?

[little drum]

For that one you'll really want a variant of diluted HOE to make fuel, then either turbofuel from fuel or turbo blend fuel if you have blenders

[hidden pebble]

You are sweating too much about details you don't need to. If the direction are chiral, design them to try to make them chiral.
Or plan the logistics floor of your factory around the chirality.

[tranquil zinc]

like is it worth it to just go from diluted fuel to nitro rocket fuel?

[stray timber]

Yeah. But also the train network can move anything after that, you just have to link a train.
Last time i tried using all the uranium, i ragequitted because CS changed the recipe i was using for the fuel rods, and it would have me rebuild the whole thing.

[unkempt blade]

I'd maybe consider which of these blueprints are saving you time and which are just adding busy work. If you enjoy it it's all good in either case 😆

[little drum]

My goal is to frontload work as much as possible so that eventually I'll be able to use them in literally any possible case

If all goes to plan, the headaches I'm having now will be paid not only later in this game, but in all my future games as well

[hidden pebble]

Very different from my mindset. I usually make one blueprint which takes certain input and gives an output. Debug it till it works. Then copy paste it as many times i want.

[reef basin]

fuel gives a lot of power

[little drum]

Ah ok so you modify it every times?

[unkempt blade]

if I find myself doing the same thing (or foresee that in the immediate build) I'll make a BP to do it instead

[little drum]

That's indeed quite the reverse

[unkempt blade]

I typically don't make a BP then go looking for reasons to use it

[little drum]

I mean it's not bad, but compared to turbofuel?

[reef basin]

that depends what do you mean by "efficient". Basically all the fuels just convert non-oil resources to power, so if your only goal is to save oil, then go as far as you can. However you may find that you don't want to use the other resources, at which point you can also stay at basic fuel

[reef basin]

I'd rather do nuclear if I need a lot of power

[little drum]

I find turbofuel comparatively easy to setup

[hidden pebble]

But i do have blueprints of pairs of machines belted/piped together for general uses cases. But i have only 1 for each. I generally will plan my logistics around the chirality.

[reef basin]

it's tons of fuel gen spam 🤢

[little drum]

In general I prefer large arrays for energy. I typically expand my coal power plant over and over until tier 6 or 7, and only then do I switch to a very big turbofuel array that generally picks up the slack

[copper zinc]

Is there a channel for crash troubleshooting? Having an issue where my game is crashing pretty consistently

The world isn't that built out yet, so I know it's not an object limit problem

[hidden pebble]

It is. Nuclear power is more of a lategame fun project. A very viable power source if you have a forgotten manufacturer chugging out 5 filters per minute and you don't mind putting permawaste on your map.

[fair ingot]

is there any sizeable community to modded satisfactory? im coming back to the game and had smm installed, just want to know where i could get some help on things like mods for building, optimization, etc

[copper zinc]

Version: 463028, IsEditor: No, IsPerforceBuild: No, BuildConfiguration: Shipping, Launcher: Steam, NetMode: Listen Server, IsUsingMods: No, IsSaveGameEdited: No

Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x0000000000000018

FactoryGameSteam_FactoryGame_Win64_Shipping!AFGCliffActor::BeginPlay() [D:\BuildAgent\work\SR11_BT\UE4\FactoryGame\Source\FactoryGame\Private\FGCliffActor.cpp:154]
FactoryGameSteam_Engine_Win64_Shipping!AActor::DispatchBeginPlay() [D:\BuildAgent\work\SR11_BT\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\Engine\Private\Actor.cpp:4249]
FactoryGameSteam_Engine_Win64_Shipping!ULevel::RouteActorInitialize() [D:\BuildAgent\work\SR11_BT\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\Engine\Private\Level.cpp:3408]
...

[oak nymph]

I mean the one that produce the most amount of power for the least amount of processing idk if I'm clear my English is kinda bad

[oak nymph]

My nuclear set up doesn't work as intended I manifold the fuel rod to the gen so it will takes so much time to set up

[hidden pebble]

I have 320 fuel gens💀

[little drum]

If you want, there is a pretty decent spot for turbofuel in the northern swamp

[reef basin]

that's very subjective tbh, practically just look at the options and pick one that you like the most

[reef basin]

then... don't manifold it? 😄

[hidden pebble]

Bluecrater is peak

[unkempt blade]

the diluted fuel recipes are really great if you're just looking for a lot of power without much effort to get set up

[little drum]

It has a fair bit of oil, even more with a nearby pressure reservoir, it has sulfur and coal nearby to upgrade it to turbofuel

Decently flat too

[oak nymph]

How do you want me to do it then? I have 7.4 rod/min so it is hard to like distribute it to like 36 gen

[hidden pebble]

Where's the fun if you're not using 5 filters per minute when you're making 5 filters per mintue?

[little drum]

I don't play there very often, is there sulfur in the crater?

[hidden pebble]

Lots. And nitrogen. And coal.

[little drum]

Hm, decent for rocket fuel as well then...

[reef basin]

NPP needs 0.2 UFRs
manufacturer makes 0.4 or 0.6 UFRs based on a recipe.

hook each manufacturer to 2 or 3 nuclear plants 🙂

[little drum]

Not sure rocket fuel is worth it as a fuel source however ngl, since nitrogen isn't exactly cheap

[unkempt blade]

I think splittering it is annoying personally. I'd either let the rod production run for a while before hooking up your generators (so it can saturate as soon as you hook them up) or just not use your power to max before the generators do saturate if you want to hook them up immediately

[hidden pebble]

True that. I need 4000 nitrogen but don't know how to consolidate it. Maybe I'll need to use nitro drones.

I feel like nitric acid should be made cheaper by complicating the process a bit and reducing the materials.

Maybe an alt

[little drum]

Recipe is a bit weird chemically speaking too... like, isn't nitric acid supposed to eat iron?

[oak nymph]

That's what I'm currently doing I should've think of letting them filling up before starting but I was too exited to see them run

[unkempt blade]

Just use pipes. There's no headlift and it's the easiest long-distance pipe you'll ever get in this game

[hidden pebble]

You need ammonia for Nitric acid. Ammonia needs iron.

[little drum]

huh, indeed. As a catalyst tho

[hidden pebble]

But it's tedious? Someone told me to set up rail for uranium. Now I gotta set up pipes. Wtf

[unkempt blade]

you're making a megafactory of course it's tedious

this is why people suggest against doing exactly what you're trying to do

[little drum]

I kinda wish it was possible to extend several pipes at once

[versed cosmos]

blueprint auto connect?

[little drum]

Something like that but not necessarily straight

and longer distance

[hidden pebble]

Well, if you're up for realism, lucky managing another byproduct. But who knows, maybe ficsit secretly steals those iron plates

[oak nymph]

It's not necessary straight

[little drum]

A part of it may be my inexperience with this mode

I'll have to run some tests

[unkempt blade]

I haven't actually tried autoconnect when it's offcenter/on a different angle than what it's autoconnecting to. Does that generally work?

[little drum]

How does autoconnect deal with conveyor belt tier?

[oak nymph]

It continues the belt level you already have I think

[sharp sierra]

Hello guys, i'm new to this game, how do i rotate the hyperube tunnel left and right? when i use mouse wheel it rotate up and down

[little drum]

Ah ok but it can't connect two splitters/mergers together?

[oak nymph]

No it only continues the belt already present in the blueprint it does "create belt"

[oak nymph]

Don't be in default mode I think and before placing the end of the tube use mouse wheel

[little drum]

OK then I'll probably stay as is or else it's going to be a nightmare to make sure it only connects what I want. I'll just connect the manifold chunks together after placing them

[oak nymph]

If you place 2 of the same blueprint generally it works

[sharp sierra]

i want to fine rotate it to adjust the angle

[elfin smelt]

gotta say that I love how this game consistently uses SI units:

• Joules instead of btus or KWh
• Km/h instead of mph
• even m³ instead of liters

[little drum]

I'd need something like the old Smart! mod where you could outright make the game create new conveyors to link with the merger/splitter you just created

[little drum]

I mean technically since a few decades ago everyone uses SI units, it's just that some countries insist on giving weird names and values to them

[oak nymph]

You know joule is not the same as KW/h joule is N·m and W is joule/seconde

[little drum]

That too

Also isn't the liter an SI unit?

It's defined as one cubic decimeter

[elfin smelt]

liter is not SI

it's metric, but not si

[little drum]

It's accepted for use with SI

[reef basin]

gotta say that for someone who likes SI units, you should write kilo as k, not K 😄

[elfin smelt]

kWh (kilowatt hour, not kilowatt per hour) still is unit for energy just like joule

[little drum]

Also the true speed unit is m/s not km/h

[reef basin]

well kWh is not the same as kW/h 🙂

[little drum]

We use km/h in everyday life because it's much easier to work with, that's it

[oak nymph]

Mb

[elfin smelt]

yell at CSS for captalizing the M in MW and such

[reef basin]

well M is uppercase

that's correct

[elfin smelt]

it is?

[little drum]

onky k is lowercase for some reason

[reef basin]

yeah

[reef basin]

kilo, hecta and deka are three lowercased ones

[little drum]

deca is even worse since it's da

[reef basin]

(as well as all the submultiple prefixes)

[little drum]

hecto and deca are kinda cursed so let's not talk about them

[elfin smelt]

I thought only units named after cientists where captalized like J oule and N ewton

[little drum]

It depends on the unit and sometimes it's a bit more complex

[reef basin]

that's units, not prefixes

[zenith pecan]

I had no idea, I just often used units and capitalisation be damned due to cluelessness 🙂

[little drum]

Say the Ohm is not O but Ω

[elfin smelt]

i guess it makes sense because it could make mega and meter ambiguous

[little drum]

As a rule of thumb, all power of 1000 units above kilo are uppercase so it's M G T P E Z Y R Q

[reef basin]

mega is prefix, meter is unit
you're mixing two different things
(and we have mili which is m)

[zenith pecan]

At least the Ω is used as an O , I hate it when people use an Ф 🤣

[little drum]

Speaking of which it took me a long time to notice "omega" literally means "big o" while "omicron" means "small o"

Past Giga they are also based on greek numbers: Tetra => Tera Penta => Peta Sexa => Exa and so on

[zenith pecan]

I only have partial knowledge of how some of the greek alphabet works, due to similarities with cyrillic (some shared roots)

Now I need to build a new Iron basics plant haha, I finally overran my plate production & rods because the thing is too damned small and outdated 🤦‍♂️

I just need to chase down some way out there iron nodes just specifically for construction yard use and decide on what to turn it all into.

[oak nymph]

There are 4 pure node in the rocky desert

[zenith pecan]

Those I might actually use as I have an industrial base growing there, a basics depot facility ideally needs to be in an awkward spot where I wouldn't chuck major production.

[little drum]

There is also the 4 pure nodes in speerun cliff, in the northern forest

[zenith pecan]

I'll sort it 🙂

Oh well, the process the spire project is on pause for now while I fix the fundamental booboo in my construction & materials planning 🙂

Ooh! cool, there's iron nodes I won't touch actually in the spire coast.

[twin parcel]

how to use oil generators?'

[hollow hemlock]

what are you calling an oil generator

[oak nymph]

You need to extract oil then process it to fuel then you can use fuel gen

[twin parcel]

so build nearby fuel plant ?

[oak nymph]

Yeah you can

Liquid are not for to transport

If you want you can process it even more to make more power

[crude holly]

The random items the lizard doggos make really good AWESOME Sink tickets

[hybrid pewter]

Guys how many trains is too much am building factory for 100% of bauxite it's my first time and I counted around 8 stations each with 4 cargo

[hollow hemlock]

trains look cool, therefore there is no 'too much'

[cursive crane]

However many you need to get the job done without using up all your power

[hybrid pewter]

Oh okay cause I had to use 1 belt per 1 cargo drop off

Because the station stops exporting to belts while loading cargo from train

So 2 belts are practicaly useless

And now am overthinking how I need to balance everything that comes from all the diff bauxite deposites

And am thinking to just send every train to every station after one drop off

So it goes to first refills then second reffils third reffils and so on

[glacial drum]

Alright guys I damn near gave up seeing the phase 6 needed items but here I am again

[hybrid pewter]

And I don't need to think about balancing the outputs

[glacial drum]

phase 5*

It could just be the meds kicking in but It’s time to remake some old factories

Motors or encased beams which one.. Hm..

[cursive crane]

Both

Encased first

Allows you to make better belts, and youll need a fair amount of it to do so

[hybrid pewter]

I made encased from start to make 80 per minute just reached bauxite let's see if it was enough..

[glacial drum]

I’ve got em both I’m just starting the final phase. I’m trying to figure out which to make more efficient first

Haven’t changed their factories in two phases

[sharp sierra]

Hey, how can i find items i may have lost, i might deconstructed a container, is it possible i might've deleted the box it leaves behind?

[glacial drum]

First comes cleaning up my old wiring..

[glacial drum]

So there’s a setting (on by default) to leave items in something called a Dismantle Box near you if you can’t fit everything in your inventory

You should be able to see smth indicating that on your top compass or the map.

I’ll post a ss in a moment so you can see wha tit looks like

#screenshots message

[true mulch]

The box itself cannot be deleted

[sharp sierra]

thanks a lot, i'm missing 100 power shards XD, i need to search for them, perhaps i died somewhere and forget about it....

[unkempt blade]

it's not necessarily going to be sitting on the ground too so I'd look up if you deleted the container somewhere higher up

[glacial drum]

If you did there would be a similar icon on your compass/map however it would instead say “Death Box”

You can also disable losing items on death or just change which type you lose. If that appeals to you

[toxic lichen]

keep inventory

makes me yeet myself off cliffs
perfection

[unkempt blade]

I set mine to permanently delete my inventory on death. I'm thinking about having it delete an equivalent amount of items from my depot too

[toxic lichen]

do you enjoy pain?

[glacial drum]

Does that delete the important items like sloops aswell?

[unkempt blade]

you die in this game?

[glacial drum]

I know there are some exceptions on what you keep if you set it to keep everything. Ex: Uranium

[cursive crane]

Settings uber annoying because you can be dismantling a factory like 1000m away and the stuffs going to the first box, so double check the map

[toxic lichen]

i got the achievement for going 140km/h because a alpha hog yeeted me off a cliff

so yes ;-;

[ornate saffron]

You can choose hardcore mode by soft lock

[glacial drum]

I think i got mine the first time I rode the hubs drone up to the space elevator

[sharp sierra]

thanks for the input guys, i'll go search everywhere.

[humble osprey]

im building a train track but the distance is so short it feels frivlous

[ornate saffron]

Esc reSpawn works too

[unkempt blade]

I get the parachute ASAP 🙂

[ornate saffron]

Use belt trucks or drones ^-^

[glacial drum]

Perhaps use belts? Belts just on the ground look ugly but you could design a way to lift them such as a few beams to support them.

I use a blueprint for them I can screenshot if you’d like

[humble osprey]

i havent unlocked belts yet

[glacial drum]

Pardon…?

Trains without belts..?

[humble osprey]

lmfao im jk, but would u like to see how far the stations are to tell me if its actually frivlous

[glacial drum]

If you’ve got a ss I can judge off my opinion

[humble osprey]

check screenshots channel

[glacial drum]

I just use a belt blueprint with lifted belts and power connected. Lets me hook everything up to one grid way easier incase of power loss

[unkempt blade]

vehicles are fun not frivolous

[glacial drum]

The belts would be a lot better cost wise but the train looks epic so I’m conflicted..

Welp at my motor factory I’m also making the damn cubes too

So time to see if there’s any more damn outputs

Perhaps I should just combine these into a single iron factory making everything

However I have one already making most very basic materials

Maybe this can be the more advanced mats until I have larger belts

Good god this entire factory uses no blueprints

[halcyon meadow]

I'm sorry but in stage 5 the orange triangle rescouce thing don't look like Doritos lol

[toxic lichen]

the wot

[stone python]

Le Trigon

[unkempt blade]

depends what flavor

[glacial drum]

I’ve ripped up my 502 iron using factory a minute

Time to make a new one

[toxic lichen]

le wot

[unkempt blade]

no spoilers! they're just doritos for now

[rain hollow]

I FINALLY BUILT NUCLEAR POWER!

[hardy wigeon]

woo!

[ornate saffron]

hows the waste managment

[hardy wigeon]

you had to go there

lol

[fluid crow]

ig they don't call you time bomb Michael for nothing

[ornate saffron]

jsut trying to be helpful

[hardy wigeon]

lol i was just messing around

[rain hollow]

Currently, three industrial storage containers chained together

It will improve with time

[hardy wigeon]

yeah its a start

[rain hollow]

I only came up with the name because I like explosives, but who doesn't honestly?

[ornate saffron]

ah so nopt plutonium....yet

[rain hollow]

Correct, yet

[fluid crow]

fair

[rain hollow]

I'm working on getting nuke nobelisks now

[ornate saffron]

i think ill create all the plutnoium infrustructor then noit turn it on until its unlocked

[hardy wigeon]

on my old save i never got around to plutonium

I will this time tho. I am actually not far from nuclear now myself

[rain hollow]

I need to re automate nobelisks though because I haven't done that since I moved

So it has to be re done

Which will be annoying because I need sulfur and coal which aren't easy to get

[hardy wigeon]

something else i never did. just made those in my little room where i make random shit. but i told myself this time i would

[rain hollow]

Why. The hell. Did I just hear a fuse blow

[hardy wigeon]

but haven't got around to it yet lol

eep

[ornate saffron]

i never use enough to automate i just hand crarft enough to fill my cloud storage. while that happens i do the dishes

[zenith pecan]

Side project ftw, iron basics plant in the west end of the spire 😄

[ornate saffron]

i just turned onj the game.... Lets hope my eyes let me lplnay ^^

[tame bobcat]

yall on average if i wanna move one pure oil node to my factory on trains how many carts yall recommend (or do i just build a massive pipe line lol)

[zenith sage]

Thermal Propulsion rockets are hell...

[zenith pecan]

I got 15 of the planned 23 platforms in the spire build, then overran my inadequate iron plate/rod production #design-and-architecture message

[ornate saffron]

i find pressure cubes to be worst but really niether are to bad

[glacial drum]

Can’t decide on if I should make this factory a big glass cube or just concrete.

It’s just making stators, rotors, motors, and mod frames

[hollow hemlock]

Make it a big pile of frame foundations so it looks like a borg cube

[tame bobcat]

yo do i do massive pipeline or fluid trains

[glacial drum]

Honestly I’d say use a pipeline. Fluid trains are worse than them by a long shot.

[zenith pecan]

If you use a pipeline, do your best to minimise elevation changes, keep it level, it'll make troubleshooting issues far less painful.

[glacial drum]

If I’m not wrong it’s actually more efficient to package fluids and train them then unpackage them on site vs fluid trains yes?

Yea that or use a fluid tower to hold pressure up high so elevation won’t matter

[hollow hemlock]

you can pack more into the train cars but you also do more work in the packaging/unpackaging stage

[tame bobcat]

do fluid towers work with oil ? only tried em with water before

[glacial drum]

I’d assume so

[fluid crow]

guess what google google search bot just said "Google Search: Initial, "minimization of ads", evolved, "into, "increased ad space", and, "commercial surveillance."

[zenith sage]

Any liquid

[zenith pecan]

I actually had a fluid tower drain out, the wrong way through a check valve way back in update 7, I haven't tried one since, It was so annoying when people tried telling me "that can't happen", well tell that to the empty pressure vessel with only one point of ingress 🤣

[zenith sage]

Fluid tower don't even need a buffer (I had one situation where buffer broke it)

[glacial drum]

Meh I’ve never used em. Just used pumps and haven’t had issues yet..

[zenith pecan]

Yeah I know, I wanted it to look like a proper accumulater, not a pipe aimed up into the air, now I keep level pipelines and space pumps on vertical elevation changes.

[crude holly]

Will this 5x5 pad be enough if I go vertical to make the basic factory (#screenshots message)

Would be the starter items Reinforced iron plates, modular frames, rotors

[rain hollow]

I fixed the power

I had forgotten to over clock the blender

[fickle locust]

You need to set up a buffer container on both sides
Industrial Storage Container with 2 belts going in/going out
That's the maximum throughout for a station, the double belts "make up" for the time the station is locked while loading or unloading

[rain hollow]

That's why it shut off

[jolly sierra]

MY FUSE BLEWWWWWW

[rain hollow]

What power u got?

[jolly sierra]

Somersloop

[fickle locust]

That's going to be fine if your goal is any level of production for these parts
But it'll get constrained if you're trying to make a lot of anything in particular

[rain hollow]

Haven't used that yet

[jolly sierra]

That and nuclear

[jolly sierra]

Check the "alien tech" MAM section

[rain hollow]

What does it do exactly? The description doesn't much help explain

[fickle locust]

Nuclear fuses blowing is bad news

[crude holly]

I've got 3 pure iron nodes here, 1 pure copper, and 1 pure limestone. Not sure how much I want to make here but I want to at least automate some of the earlier basics

[jolly sierra]

Too much power use :/

[dapper coyote]

how much power do you need to beat the game comfortably, ballpark?

[rain hollow]

I have it unlocked I just haven't used it

[jolly sierra]

I got about 30kMW this shouldn't be a problem

[twin parcel]

do u guys use any alternate recipe for fuel? what is the best one?

[zenith sage]

At least I found a decent place for rockets factory

[jolly sierra]

It gives you a 10% bonus to the entire grid plus 500MW

[rain hollow]

You can skip fuel if you get turbo heavy fuel

[jolly sierra]

Absolute game changer

[fickle locust]

My advice is don't worry about minmaxing all the nodes, just get machines set up for all the pieces

[true mulch]

Heavy oil residue alt with diluted fuel, definitely

[jolly sierra]

I have like 30 Somersloop left on the map, wouldn't mind triple the power

[rain hollow]

So 500 at least plus 10% of how much you're making?

[true mulch]

Kilomegawatt

[jolly sierra]

Idk I'm dumb lol

[fickle locust]

30-50k will let you set up a factory to cover everything. 200 if you're trying to make a larger amount of endgame products

[jolly sierra]

I think it's both, haven't visited the somersloop power plant in a WHILE

It's across the map right now. . .

[fickle locust]

It is both

[true mulch]

That can't even be answered as a ballpark because the scale you choose to build is entirely up to you. 30 GW is nothing, I'd say it'd be at least 100-200 GW

[jolly sierra]

OH TRANSCONTINENTAL RAILROAAADDDDD

Time to wait like 10 minutes for the train to arrive

[rain hollow]

I wish you could over clock vehicles

[jolly sierra]

Same

[halcyon meadow]

Here a fun little question how much do U think U all have used in concrete and metal plates on just walls and foundations

I think I am looking close to 7 double storage in concrete and about 3 and a half metal plates ISH

[rain hollow]

The awesome shop should also have a racing kit with gates

[jolly sierra]

YES

Well we alr have gates

[zenith sage]

No clue, but I used 42k of concrete and 15k of plates so far in general for buildings

[rain hollow]

And an explorer-exclusive swatch that makes it look like a race car

[jolly sierra]

I don't use the explorer too often

[halcyon meadow]

That's alot

[jolly sierra]

Railroads are better

Oh hey the train arrived

[rain hollow]

Yes but it would be great for a racing mini game

[halcyon meadow]

I wonder if anyone has done a custom race map for the cars

[zenith sage]

All my blueprints are covered in concrete pillars sooo yeah 😅

[halcyon meadow]

That makes sence lol

[jolly sierra]

Yeah I have that around my space elevator lol

It's slow but pretty fun

Well, slow compared to other modes

[rain hollow]

Nice

[jolly sierra]

You know what I hate

THOSE FRICKIN FLIES THAT DAMAGE YOU THEY COME OUTTA THE ORANGE THINGS

-# I have no idea how to write this

[rain hollow]

Actually what about a train minigame with one straight track and you have to go forward and stop as close to the end of the rail as possible without derailing. And there's no buffer stop

[rain hollow]

Hatchers

[jolly sierra]

Wait actually that would be awesome, but with something like a red line so I wouldn't have to reassemble every time

[rain hollow]

And you can kill hatchers you know

[rain hollow]

Makes sense

[jolly sierra]

Oh hey the train is at the other side of the map (the train depot)

Now to take the train across another quarter of the map to the power plant

I JUST MISSED THE TRAIN NOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

Yeah but it's annoying to kill

[rain hollow]

Mario game over music

[toxic lichen]

so what do you guys use trains for?

transporting resources with em instead of spaghetting all over the map?

but the real question
do you guys build foundations for the railway lines or

also wondering how efficient they are
like
speed
how do you pull from em

[rain hollow]

Bauxite transport

[rain hollow]

Also far faster than I thought

[next trellis]

Why is it that when I died of the map even though I had keep everything on my entire inventory was deleted?

[jolly sierra]

First, both Resource and player transport, two, use foundations, three, never really paid attention

They're pretty fast though if you make em that way

IF you make em that way

Very useful, much better than manual vehicle transportation

[rain hollow]

Also it's WAY cheaper if you just have two engines facing opposites directions on each end of the train since then it can go the opposite way on the same track to get back where it started

[jolly sierra]

Yeah that's what I do,

Even cheaper than conveyers if you do it right (assuming you use the correct alt recipies)

[rain hollow]

I like that coal can be completely eliminated from steel production with the right alt recipes

[crude holly]

Is 10 smart plates a minute decent start?

[jolly sierra]

Ye, same

[rain hollow]

I don't automate them

[jolly sierra]

For a early start that's amazing, it'll do slightly decent later

[jolly sierra]

EW
/j

[ornate saffron]

wyou need 4300 smart plates to beat the game youll have enough in 430 minutes

[rain hollow]

I just get the amount of resources I need to make all of them then put them in a fully overclocked machine and make them all at once

[jolly sierra]

Wait wait wait why is that smart

[rain hollow]

Meat?

[rain hollow]

Never said it was

[jolly sierra]

Like you won't waste power or anything

[ornate saffron]

reread i had alrready fixed b4efore you replied lol

[rain hollow]

I know, just thought it was funny

[rain hollow]

Because I don't want to make extra

[crude holly]

Well currently I've got 3 pure iron nodes, 1 copper node, 1 limestone. I want to make my first factory automating smart plates for the space elevator and extra used for just dumping for tickets. And I want to use the extra iron node to make 5 modular frame and then the copper just for wires, cable, sheets.

[jolly sierra]

If you're not already max tier there's always more to be made

[crude holly]

Limestone just for concrete. Then I want to move north and work on a steel plant

[elfin smelt]

extra goes to the sink for the $$$$$$$

[rain hollow]

I won't spend time automating something that doesn't need to be automated

[elfin smelt]

technically nothing needs to be automated except project parts

[jolly sierra]

True, you only need 5300 (5200???) to see the credits

[sacred comet]

Does anyone has any water extractor tips? I’ve made a 48 coal generator factory. And I can’t seem to fill all of them.

[rain hollow]

What pipes you got

[zenith sage]

Huh, unironically one impure limestone node saved my entire factory plan

[sacred comet]

Mk1 pipes.

I have 3 water extractors hooked to 8 generators

[jolly sierra]

#1467341734714540266

[rain hollow]

Mk1 can only handle a flow rate of 300 cubic meters

You need to split it between multiple pipe systems if you haven't already

[jolly sierra]

Mine has 1000m flow

[rain hollow]

How

Is there mk 3 pipes I don't know about?

[jolly sierra]

I can't even tell you how many hours I had

[rain hollow]

Because mk 2 only holds 600

[jolly sierra]

Oh not in one pipe

Total flow

[rain hollow]

Oh that makes more sense

[jolly sierra]

I do have mk3 pipes tho (modded)

[rain hollow]

Iiiiiiiiiiinteresting

[sacred comet]

Right. I have 3 extractors combined into 1 pipe going into the machine. So should I change it to 2 pipes combining to 1 pipe going into the left side and than add the last of the third exctractor to the end (right side) of the single pipe connecting the 8?

[sacred comet]

Crazy

[jolly sierra]

They do 900m

[rain hollow]

Wow

WHY DID A FUSE JUST BLOW AGAIN!

[ornate saffron]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[jolly sierra]

I only have 1kw coal, 30kw total

[fluid crow]

through a double ended manifold you could get 600

[jolly sierra]

The train finally arrived

And just as my power reserves died

[sacred comet]

Can I dm you with the setup I currently have?

[hybrid pewter]

Still I think I need 2 belts to go into buffer and then I can use only one idk am so lost it's already built I don't want to rebuild it but tell me if my thinking is wrong

I just realized I might have did the collosal overbuilding that I didn't need to do

😭😭😭

[fluid crow]

yea, I'm not an expert or anything https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533 might be more helpful

[tame bobcat]

ok so that was a lil fuckin challenge but hey at least no throughput issues :D

honestly the massive pipeline lowk looks kinda cool

[jolly sierra]

Just threw in another 2500MW with somersloops, grid should be fine

Are nuclear meltdowns a thing

[tall lantern]

no

[jolly sierra]

Just wondering lol, good tho

[zenith pecan]

Sadly no, I'd love to see a reactor go bang.

[unkempt blade]

yes but only if you don't use enough factory carts in your save

[jolly sierra]

OH MODDERS

[zenith pecan]

I don't mod.

[unkempt blade]

you must play the way the benevolent and all knowing creators wanted us to play!

[jolly sierra]

My pc in my creative save is a form of nuclear meltdowns

[tame bobcat]

yall is 600/min enough oil for phase 3 parts

[jolly sierra]

Should be, maybe a little slow but it should be

[unkempt blade]

Why not just do it and see if you need more?

[tame bobcat]

good point, it does also depend on what recipes i use and what not so yeah

i mean i think it should be enough but i can always get more

[jolly sierra]

It also depends on alternative recipies and hard drives

[unkempt blade]

yeah there aren't really magic numbers for progression stuff. You can use a trickle if you want to or you can build a ton and go a little faster

[jolly sierra]

But don't forget about power

[reef basin]

generally just calculate from end product you want, instead of trying to guess what you might want in the future

[jolly sierra]

Around phase two invest into upgrading from coal to Petro and Somersloops

[jolly sierra]

BLUE USERNAME

[toxic lichen]

how does one acquire the pioneer role e'-e'

is it like
dev team or

[reef basin]

~~by not spamming e'-e' ~~

[toxic lichen]

</3

[jolly sierra]

LOL

[toxic lichen]

its muscle memory :(

[reef basin]

pioneers are generally "valuable community members" I'd say

[tall lantern]

finally an argument for amnesia

[toxic lichen]

ah i see
and you are the leader ;-;

the most valued one

[reef basin]

there's tons of dark blue people

[unkempt blade]

guess that explains why I'm not blue 🤣

[toxic lichen]

we can start our own satisfactory server

with black jack
And hookers

[unkempt blade]

the world needs factory carts they just don't appreciate it!

[jolly sierra]

No pioneers are literally any satisfactory player
/j

[humble osprey]

Is there an update or something coming

[reef basin]

yeah

[humble osprey]

I remember they teased a collab with no man's Sky a while ago

[toxic lichen]

at a point in time

[humble osprey]

And the no man's Sky socials are teasing a construction worker emoji

Oh boy this is exciting

[toxic lichen]

what should my next goal be once i automate encased beams?

js work towards finish phase 3?

[wanton cloud]

did u automate motors?

steel beams?

[ornate saffron]

pretty much. make sure you got circute boards, computers, hi speed links, al limiters going for personal use

[toxic lichen]

its part of the factory im building
So soon
its part of that same goal

[reef basin]

pick a milestone you want to work towards
pick item that you need for that milestone
automate that item
repeat

(you can also replace "milestone" with "machine" or "fuel source")

[wanton cloud]

then you should work towards the phase, in the meantime i'd say you develop MAM

[toxic lichen]

ah i have all the milestones up till 6

then 7-8 are phase 3? completion

[wanton cloud]

lots of good stuff there, fuel, weapons etc

[reef basin]

7-8 are phase 4

[toxic lichen]

phase 3 completion e'-e'

[reef basin]

phase 3 completion unlocks phase 4 (tiers 7-8)

[unkempt blade]

The research usually doesn't have that many options for you at one time. If you can't make the item it needs find the milestone that lets you make those items

[wanton cloud]

wait if you're IN phase 3 then u should automate rubber, plastic etc?

[toxic lichen]

indeed
which was my implication

mb if my message was unclear

[toxic lichen]

have plastic down
js need to set up a refinery for rubber
Ez pz

[wanton cloud]

then you should get on HMF and Computers after that

[toxic lichen]

hmf?

[wanton cloud]

heavy modular frame

[toxic lichen]

oh
heavy frames

[wanton cloud]

ya, also a biofuel refinery is nice to have

not mandatory but nice to have

especially if u can get containers delivered

[zenith pecan]

I'm currently working on turning 3450 oil into rubber & plastic, I got distracted with a side project due to overrunning my iron supply.

[jolly sierra]

@wanton cloud what is that username

[toxic lichen]

yea i just need to figure out what to do with the bi-products

maybe steamed copper sheets to deal with excess water

[wanton cloud]

the cloudy one?

pls ignore

[toxic lichen]

cant ignore, cus yuh

[ornate saffron]

make near nitrogen to make phase 4 cube a little easier

[wanton cloud]

fuh

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[wanton cloud]

how can i even change discord user

[toxic lichen]

ive seen some nitrogen around

but i dont think its close by

my main operations are still in grassy fields rn

[jolly sierra]

Uhhhhh

[wanton cloud]

ima google

[toxic lichen]

profile edit

ez pz

they changed it from the old ways where you couldnt iirc

[jolly sierra]

Iirc?

[wanton cloud]

username changed😎

[jolly sierra]

Bruh

[toxic lichen]

if i remember correctly

[ornate saffron]

next phase you are forcesd to either do extreme logistics to movbe materials or just build where the materials are. So... iit may be a less of a head ache to start early

[toxic lichen]

W username

[wanton cloud]

it's better than the old one

[jolly sierra]

I love the @wanton cloud animation when you place it

[toxic lichen]

i think im gonna get into trains for that iwl

[wanton cloud]

everyone's favorite

[jolly sierra]

Second favorite, next to space elevator

[wanton cloud]

well, it wouldn't be so easy to make it without me hm?

[toxic lichen]

think my next project

is gonna be building roads ;-;

once i start establishing random bases all over for specific things

and rail way lines using the roads as a guide

but how do you manage the elevation changes?

[jolly sierra]

Uhhhhh by not caring about looks and just bringing straight over

[manic topaz]

hey is it just me or does the screen percentage with nvidia DLSS not save?
it keeps defaulting to 75

[toxic lichen]

looks matter in the sense of

doesnt have to be a masterpiece
just
not ugly

[jolly sierra]

I have no idea what a DLSS is

[wanton cloud]

you make a ramp road, i can forward you my road blueprints from screenshots

[toxic lichen]

i would like em yes e'-e'

[ivory condor]

I remember that was a bug but I thought it was fixed, maybe it wasnt

[jolly sierra]

I'd also enjoy those please

[wanton cloud]

here are my road blueprints #screenshots message

[toxic lichen]

get your own blueprint sugar daddy >:(

[abstract heron]

i am thinking how many cubes i should make the pressure cubes i mean

[wanton cloud]

i also made an alterantive version that can have belts below them, without having em show

[ornate saffron]

20/min

[abstract heron]

why 20min

[ivory condor]

deep learning super sampling, its nvidia tech, essentially a upscaler, it renders at a lower internal resolution and then upscales it to a higher resolution, using a ai model to guess what pixels would in present in the higher resolution output

[ornate saffron]

why not.

[abstract heron]

is 30min fine

[jolly sierra]

EW AI

[reef basin]

anything that you want/like is fine

[ivory condor]

amd and intel likewise have their own upscalers as well

[reef basin]

just roll a dice and automate that much

[wanton cloud]

it's not generative if that's what you mean
It also (probably) doesn't waste water

[fickle locust]

Haven't you played a bazillion hours? You set the goals

[ivory condor]

well thats what dlss has always been, ai guessing pixels, thats always how DLSS has worked

[abstract heron]

I just don't want to go OVERBOARD like 100 or 120

[fickle locust]

The only requirement is enough to complete the game in what you consider a reasonable time

[jolly sierra]

Play time:
374 hours

[abstract heron]

and use like 3000 gas

[wanton cloud]

DLSS is good AI when compared to chatgpt etc.
It didn't take anyones jobs
It (prolly) doesn't waste water
Not generative
Not slop

[fickle locust]

1 pressure cube = 1 pasta
How much pasta do you want
Make that amount of cubes

[ornate saffron]

unless you need pasta for other things

[simple wing]

i was wondewring why im mk4 belt is moving 270 screws pm when im producing 300 pm on that line

[wanton cloud]

because you are not producing 300 screws/min on that line

[toxic lichen]

is it a mk3 belt?

[fickle locust]

I literally said figure out how much pasta you want
If you want pasta for other things then you want more pasta

[ornate saffron]

my guess there is a bottle neck somehwere likley a lower tier belt

[wanton cloud]

what pasta are we talking about?
Is it the italian kind?
Or some higher tier item i didn't get to yet

[ivory condor]

Well chaptgpt is questionable how many jobs it might have taken, also its not sustainable either way, its burning billions of dollars, not even profitable

[fickle locust]

In higher tiers you unlock Italian cooking which is clutch

[ivory condor]

personally I think chatgpt is going to collapse, its not a sustainable model

[wanton cloud]

I mean we know that it took a lot of digital artist's jobs

[simple wing]

im using a manifold and i tried making the belts and elevators mk4 and it still only moves 270.

[ivory condor]

its only been able to run this long because of cash infusion, but those infusions wont last forever

[wanton cloud]

peak game

[fickle locust]

The eventual expansion will give you Chinese noodles

[wanton cloud]

If you're sure all the belts are mk4 that means insufficent supply, or you're simply not making 300 screws/min there. what do you need em for anyways?

[wanton cloud]

it is 1.2

[rain hollow]

Does anyone know how to stop my blender from filling with sulfuric acid when making encased uranium cells?

[ornate saffron]

since its 270 i bet there is a mk3 lift or belt hiding

[simple wing]

rotors

[wanton cloud]

ew, just get the alternate recipe

[ivory condor]

and only produces the same type of art, it cant come up with new ideas, because the models have to be trained, on existing art styles

I wouldnt exactly call that a win

[simple wing]

I'm trying to feed 12 rotor assemblers

[wanton cloud]

that's true but alot of people prefer AI either way

[rain hollow]

Because I was had the blender in taking 80 a minute and out putting 20 a minute so I made 60 a minute in a refinery to make the 80 but it still overfills

[ivory condor]

anyways im not that worried about this, this is all mimicry by fake ai anyways, its not really going to take many jobs, at least ones requiring real creativity and skill, because the current ai models cant do that

[wanton cloud]

idk what to tell ya man that's what happens every time you have to work with screws, they screw you over.
Get the two following alternates:
Iron pipe
Copper rotor

i want to correct myself:
Get steel rotor

not copper, copper also has screws but steel rotors don't

[simple wing]

I'm Fairly new to the game and thought "screws cant be that bad"

[wanton cloud]

screws ARE that bad, sorry to break it to you

[simple wing]

yes yes a painful lesson

[fickle locust]

Screws are fine
Put the machine making the screws directly feeding the machine consuming them

[wanton cloud]

yes but those two machines are never even

[ivory condor]

I have a biased opinion against ai-slop personally so im not one of them

[simple wing]

I've gone too far for that. i have like 400 constructors on this floor

[wanton cloud]

i hate gen ai cause it wastes huge amounts of water, plus you can trust stuff on the internet even less

[fickle locust]

Wait also listen to what people said
You have a mk3 belt hiding somewhere

If you're getting 270 it's because the speed is being limited by hitting that one portion of belt

[simple wing]

can the hide in mergers?

[wanton cloud]

genuinely not even my latest factories have that much MACHINES IN TOTAL
How severely did u underclock them😭

[ivory condor]

im pretty certain the models that waste huge amount of water wont last long, from what i understand those models arent financial viable

[wanton cloud]

no

[wanton cloud]

either way, the damage is done and is being done

[ivory condor]

only the ones that are financial viable will last in the long term, but its hard to say once the dust styles and the ai train has will and truly run its course which models will be around

[wanton cloud]

we know that big models from google like gemini will stay around

chatgpt not though, i heard they're drowning in debt

[ivory condor]

hmmm damage, idk corporations for example are learning the hard way ai cant replace actual skill and talent, they tried and its been a disaster

[wanton cloud]

yes but they fired loads of people, we all know they won't bring them back, atleast not all.

the only AI i fw is ADA obviously

[ivory condor]

because ai can copy mimic, it cant do actual real problem solving either, come up with new ideas, do self correction when it makes mistakes either

because it doesnt have actual intelligence, these models have major downsides to them

[abstract heron]

i am going to make 60 pressure cubes per minute 1500 gas needed and then 1500 for cooling systems

[wanton cloud]

i genuinely doubt we'll ever get AI that can invent new stuff by itself. the best they can be is advanced calculators and also used in stuff like the DLSS

[ivory condor]

yep chatgpt from what I understand is one model that looks like its not going to survive for sure

[wanton cloud]

despite it being the most popular lmao

gemini, maybe grok and microsoft copilot will live on

we've steered off topic

[ivory condor]

Yes😅

[fluid crow]

we won't but corporations probably will

[wanton cloud]

yall

what do i make next?

I've just finished automating rubber, plastic, smokeless powder and fuel

[tall lantern]

whatever you need for the next milestone you need to do

[simple wing]

i got it figured out

thank you for helping

[jolly sierra]

Transportation idk

TRAINZZZ

[wanton cloud]

i already did

[jolly sierra]

MORE TRAINZZZ

[wanton cloud]

no problems, happy screw-less assembling!

[wanton cloud]

to where

[jolly sierra]

Idk

I have a creative save where every single meter on the map can and will be covered by a train

[wanton cloud]

i have yet to recieve an answer to my question

[wanton cloud]

i've bought my way out of every milestone, so that's off btw

[jolly sierra]

Do you have every mam upgrade

[wanton cloud]

every one that i can have

[jolly sierra]

Idk what to tell you. You'll need more power eventually

Try delaying that

[wanton cloud]

i already made a 10-generator fuel plant

[minor trench]

How do yall do braindead tasks? Need to connect 144 water extractor and my brain just melts cause of the repeating pattern

[jolly sierra]

Satisfactory tool

Www.satisfactorytools.com

[minor trench]

I mean the process, my bad for bad wording. The planning is fine, but the process of placing them is kinda boring af

[jolly sierra]

Just lock in

Or be autistic. I find the repeating pattern fun

[wanton cloud]

lowkey coulda used a bp

[jolly sierra]

@minor trench what he said

[fickle locust]

It's why I like podcasts during the game
When I know what I need and it's just a matter of doing it, having something else to focus on helps
Turns the game into fiddling

[tall lantern]

in that case, whatever gets you the most sink points per minute so you can keep that up

[raven hill]

whats up guys

[minor trench]

Zote from hit game zoteboat

[tall lantern]

the food court

[raven hill]

the game?

zoteboat is never coming out dude

[minor trench]

Nah what you mean, i got it on steam with gta 6 /s

[raven hill]

what

[native tapir]

Damn someone really hit me with the Reddit cares on the satisfactory subreddit

[jolly sierra]

Wassah

[raven hill]

yoe

[minor trench]

It was a joke :p

[raven hill]

no shit sherlock

[wanton cloud]

the train general himself

[fickle locust]

I do have concern for your wellbeing in the same way as I have for Josh from Lets Game It Out

[jolly sierra]

pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

[raven hill]

do not mention him

[jolly sierra]

LOL

[minor trench]

Buh?

[native tapir]

Thanks @wanton cloud but I do other things outside of the train wars too 🤣

[jolly sierra]

The longest word in the dictionary

[fickle locust]

Like I worry your computer is going to melt through the desk and/or floor

[wanton cloud]

May we get an example. the train wars have gone mainstream

[jolly sierra]

Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia is the fear of long words

[minor trench]

What is the train wars?

[raven hill]

cant wait to unlock trains

[wanton cloud]

wars that have trains

hope this helps

[jolly sierra]

Far too useful

[raven hill]

im gonna get to phase 2 soon

i wont have to weave a million conveyors

[jolly sierra]

What about trucks

[raven hill]

im not smart enough

[jolly sierra]

It's too easy

[wanton cloud]

it's lit just tractors

[minor trench]

Oh sweet summer child you will have bigger problems than that (fluids)

[raven hill]

im cooked

[jolly sierra]

Try late game fluid management

[jolly sierra]

Yes, yes you are

[raven hill]

:(

[fickle locust]

Managing dark matter is such a pain

[minor trench]

the fuhass dark matter

[jolly sierra]

I hate DARK MATTER

[jolly sierra]

I caps locked sorry

[fickle locust]

If you're using the pure dark matter recipe as a high-tech version of wet concrete it's fine
But trying to manage the input and outputs to match when you're doing time crystals or diamonds is so hard
The target is moving in both directions

[jolly sierra]

I'm currently waiting at my train hub for- and you'll never guess this- a train

Chat ded

[raven hill]

traimn

[jolly sierra]

Oh hey the train arrived

Time to go half across the map

[raven hill]

wonderful

simply delightful

splendid

[jolly sierra]

Chat still ded

[old bramble]

Man the depot is such a game changer. I found it early game.

[jolly sierra]

There's a depot?

What do you mean depot?

[old bramble]

Yeah basically like it takes stuff into it. Then uploads it to like a cloud inventory

[fading whale]

Dimensional Depot

[jolly sierra]

Ooh the dimensional depot

Yeah it's far too useful lol

[fading whale]

"Ficsit OneDrive".

[jolly sierra]

BRUH

[old bramble]

Dude like Depoting my Cables is such a QoL thing

[jolly sierra]

Lol yes, especially with the inventory upload upgrade

[fading whale]

Inventory upload is quite useful when exploring.
Just zoom up all the slugs, drives, and remains.
All the good stuff.

[old bramble]

Now I’m like trying to hunt down all the Spheres while trying to get Smart Splitters in order.

[rain hollow]

Can someone help me with nuclear?

[jolly sierra]

www.satisfactorytools.com

[fading whale]

Maybe.
If you think you wanna show or get screenshots though, it's recommended you use https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533

[rain hollow]

My blender keeps stopping because of a fuse blowing either because it backed up with sulfuric acid or it isn't making enough encased uranium cells

[jolly sierra]

Backing it up is always useful

[rain hollow]

I meant into the output slot

[fading whale]

SImple.
Fuse blown = not enough power.
Make more power.

[jolly sierra]

Ah

[rain hollow]

Can't

That IS my power

[jolly sierra]

Use somersloops. It gives a 10% boost to the whole grid, plus 500MW

[fading whale]

You can't cold start Nuclear. You need other means of power to get your nuclear production up and running.

[rain hollow]

That doesn't help when my nuclear power plant keeps stopping

[rain hollow]

I know but when I do it shuts back off even when there is a fuel rod in it

Because the blender stops working

And then I can't make fuel rods

[jolly sierra]

You're blender? Odd. . . Idk how to help

[fading whale]

Then you need alternate power 🙂
I assume you have some fuel generators running somewhere? Add more.

[rain hollow]

The sulfuric acid that comes back out after each cycle backs up into the output slot and stops the blender

[rain hollow]

I did, until I removed them because I THOUGHT the nuclear was working

Because I had tried fixing it before removing them

[jolly sierra]

Split your output into more blenders if it's backed up

[rain hollow]

But it happened, AGAIN

[fickle locust]

What is the output sulfuric acid supposed to be doing?

[golden nexus]

you need to deal with the feedback loop

[rain hollow]

I don't have enough resources being made to use more blenders

And I can't bring up plastic or iron at all easily to make containers to sink it

[fickle locust]

Are you feeding it back into itself? And if so, are you mixing with incoming new sulfuric acid?

[rain hollow]

Yes

[jolly sierra]

Uuhhhhhhh idk how to help

[fading whale]

So you are not getting rid of sulfuric acid fast enough. Add a packager to take the surplus and sink it.

[golden nexus]

default nuclear is uranium + concrete + acid -> encased uranium cells + acid

[rain hollow]

I make 60 and the machine requires 80 so I feed back in the 20 it outputs

[jolly sierra]

Try Satisfactory tools

[rain hollow]

I just said I can't

[jolly sierra]

It'll show you a detailed roadmap

[fickle locust]

Ok don't do that (especially the second). You can use any of the alt recipes to make ingots with sulfuric acid, or you can set up a recycle loop but you must feed a machine using only the recycled acid. Don't mix with new

[golden nexus]

just use a priority fluid merger and make sure your input + loop speeds are matching what is needed

[fading whale]

So this is where you put it up in https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533 🙂
Then we can ask for screenshots of the problem and you can get better answers without too much noise.

[rain hollow]

What even is that?

[rain hollow]

I did and no one answered

[golden nexus]

junctions have priorities, so do pipes 🙂

[rain hollow]

I don't make enough to do solely off of the left over acid

[fading whale]

You won't get better answers here. It's the same people.
You could just aks if anyone would take a look at "link to your question".

[fluid crow]

nuclear is a system that shouldn't stop so matching the inputs alone should do pretty well

[rain hollow]

Never once heard of a priority merger for pipes

[golden nexus]

This work for me btw except recipie #1468275462823477248 message

Realise it take from the loop before the refineries....

[unkempt blade]

the answer is always "use more factory carts" when talking about looping

[golden nexus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/ookl0c/psa_variable_input_priority_vip_for_pipes_exist/

[fading whale]

It is a thing (and it mostly works. Lots of voodoo involved :/ ). But better you look up "Satisfactory fluid guide" then we try and explain it.

[golden nexus]

Anything sufficently complex appear to magic to thoose who do not understand it 😉

[fickle locust]

Underclock your blender to 75%, it'll consume all your input sulfuric acid. Dump the additional 20 into a sulfuric acid ingot recipe and sink that. Now nothing will back up. That's step 1

[fading whale]

I believe myself to be fairly competent. And based on my understanding it is, in fact, magic.

[rain hollow]

I don't have a sulfuric acid ingot recipe

[golden nexus]

how many hours?

[fading whale]

Stopped counting.

[fickle locust]

You have some recipe that takes in sulfuric acid and doesn't output it. If nothing else batteries and non-fissile uranium

[rain hollow]

Haven't unlocked non-fissile uranium for one and two I'm in the dunes desert using the uranium node on the mountain behind the oasis and my aluminum is all the way at the dunes part of it so i can't really get it up here without drones

[frosty bloom]

I get the idea, but when keeping it simple, valves do work. Perhaps i just havent had a use case for Priority merger for pipes.

[golden nexus]

they don't

[frosty bloom]

They do.

[golden nexus]

If you setup a valve system which stalls they will backlog and lockup. You have probably introduced a prioty merge and not realised it

[fading whale]

Well at least we know it works or not.

[golden nexus]

So the priroty case you can literally inject 400/min acid into the lower prioity and have it pull 500/min acid from the low priority you can't screw it up in any way when the numbers are wrong

with valves.. it will appear ot work but still lockup

[fickle locust]

Ok then make a billion industrial fluid buffers, let them fill, and every few hours come back and flush them. While you're waiting for them to fill, go either get recipes to fix your problem, or plan how to scale up, or study up on pipes to make a priority fluid junction.

[frosty bloom]

I havent. My alu production is working just like it should. It takes 300 water and produces 180. I haven valves limiting the input to 120, whole 6 buildings, and they are receiving water from nuclear plants + 60 for the extra they need.

[golden nexus]

btw this is the public known opinion its not only me your disagreeing with. Its been like this since valves were added #screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

unpowered pumps > valves

[frosty bloom]

Then i dont have that issue. Issue i had, was when building water source for the nuclear plants. 8meter pipe, and junction from middle for the plant. I had to delete the end pipes which were going to the stackable supports. After that, it worked as it should.

And one thing i learned with valves, dont use buffers, that fcks everything

[golden nexus]

this is the ruleset for priroty merger... i am just repeating it btw... #screenshots message

[frosty bloom]

I´ll look into that later, and test them myself. Not saying i´m that anyone is wrong, just curiosity.

[golden nexus]

so you can see in this #1468275462823477248 message the ref's have lower priority

irrelevent in that case if there is a buffer or not on it

someitmes if you have a very short pipe you need more volume

[frosty bloom]

Does this also handle the issue with valves? I´m more interested on the issue with valves, other that "priority merger for fluids"? The valves work for simple set ups.

[golden nexus]

Which issue? This complelty eliminate values

you can also eliminate valves in all cases

[frosty bloom]

I´m more interested on valves, that ppl are telling they don´t work as they should. But they do, when you do it simple, without storage.

I´m not going to eliminate valves.

[golden nexus]

I don't much about them, i avoid them because I don't ever need them. Its overengineering

i have heard of them restricting flow. But this is also kinda their purpose.

[frosty bloom]

Then all is good. But i´ll look on that info you put on screenshots, i copied them to my pc and i´ll read them more carefully later.

[golden nexus]

Most of the time when you dive into complex system you find mistakes which people are not aware of on investigation

[humble osprey]

Is there anyone here who used valves

[frosty bloom]

I do

[golden nexus]

Often its like a programmer blaming the compiler

[humble osprey]

Can u explain how why and where

[golden nexus]

eg the computer makes mistakes perfectly accuratly at the users command 🙂

[hollow hemlock]

I use em sometimes, no idea if they matter but they kinda look cool and that is the most important thing

[frosty bloom]

I havent. My alu production is working just like it should. It takes 300 water and produces 180. I haven valves limiting the input to 120, whole 6 buildings, and they are receiving water from nuclear plants + 60 for the extra they need. Like i said before.

[golden nexus]

i can't think of a reason to limit flow even when you split / steal some output for turbo fuel or something you just let it fill the buffer in the packager and its now the valve. This is kinda what i mean by over think

[frosty bloom]

Hey, if you guys don´t use valves, and keep telling me that they are bad, don´t use them. Please do. But i´ll keep using them. If you can´t figure it out, ai´nt my problem.

[zenith pecan]

🤣 right.

[golden nexus]

I never said they were bad, i just said you can eliminate them from all cases in the game and they serve no purpose

[hollow hemlock]

the same can be said of catwalks, but yet...

[frosty bloom]

Why would i? They work for me as they should.

[golden nexus]

but they also won't solve the loopback issues when you deadlock it

[frosty bloom]

Loopback is on you.

Do the math, and it works.

[golden nexus]

No.. you can still deadlock it 🙂

[frosty bloom]

Then you messed it up.

[rain hollow]

@fading whale you said priority pipe mergers will input whatever liquid is in the lower pipe first right?

[fading whale]

Probably 😄
But yes. Sounds right.

[golden nexus]

So if you have
water -> ref -> ref -> water -> loopback. If you stall the output of the 2nd ref you can have output water + injected water running and it fills up all the buffers then the 2nd set of ref have nowhere to dump more product

[golden nexus]

Yup

[frosty bloom]

Just give a real game scenario.

[golden nexus]

Does matter if you have a valve in that case cause if the valve is running 300/min and the output is not being uses you have no consumer and your math is instantly wrong

[golden nexus]

that is the game scenario

The alu setup for that exact situation is this #1468275462823477248 message

[zenith pecan]

I separated the fresh and wastewater refineries, that way a hard lock is simply impossible.

[golden nexus]

This one also works without a valve for a different reason. It accidently injects a prioty because the maths is correct but because the pipe has a massive vertical upward.. it sips from the top of the pipe #1468275462823477248 message

thats a quirky abuse of fluid physics which can occur... there is also a pump to force the pipe full from the buffer

[gloomy tusk]

mistra guess what

[golden nexus]

thats another way todo it

[rain hollow]

Like this? #screenshots message

[golden nexus]

i don't recommend that one to poeple who don't get it because your abusing 2 quirks at the same time

[gloomy tusk]

i finally automated nuclear pasta 😍

[golden nexus]

yup

[rain hollow]

I hope it works

[golden nexus]

Did it come with the sauce though?

[golden nexus]

you fine out eventually

[golden nexus]

If you are debugging it work backwards down the system btw... not forwards

[gloomy tusk]

yes

[golden nexus]

how many coffee's did it take?

[golden nexus]

your just trying to get nuke bombs are you?

[fading whale]

Is that not a valid goal?

[golden nexus]

its a valid goal 🙂

[gloomy tusk]

A lot

[gloomy tusk]

i make so many tickets i just used them to finish phase 4 XD

[golden nexus]

how many a min did you get?

[ornate saffron]

pushing the golden nut to be a future problem i see

[gloomy tusk]

i have every statue

apart from it

[ornate saffron]

then hardly matters

[gloomy tusk]

every statue EXCEPT golden nut

[gloomy tusk]

what do you use for mk 6 conveyer belts

[ornate saffron]

mk3 miners

[gloomy tusk]

mk 5 have to be the cheapest

[gloomy tusk]

makes sense

[ornate saffron]

ya but then you cant pull1200/min from a pure node

[gloomy tusk]

no but like what resource do you use

mk 1 was iron plates mk 2 reinforced plates mk 3 steel pipes (i think), mk 4 encased beams, mk 5 aluminium, mk 6?

[fading whale]

mk6 also takes less space if you need multiple belts to move a certain resource.

[ornate saffron]

||time crystals||

[fading whale]

...and they're shiny.

[gloomy tusk]

how hard are they to make

what do i need to make them

[spare cradle]

Shoudl I manifold or divide evenly with fluid

[weary condor]

Manifold, no good way to load balance

[ornate saffron]

hardly a issue.... as for what you make them from./.... there is like 6 options i think

[hollow hemlock]

pump enough in to fill the pipes then make it so that doesn't matter

[spare cradle]

And def will look better lol

[weary condor]

Also true, much easier to build as well imo

[golden nexus]

they are simple you will find out

[spare cradle]

Current problem. Load.

[rain hollow]

Not right now, I'm trying to keep my power working endlessly so it won't shut down unless I exceed capacity

It hasn't shut down yet

So that's good

[spare cradle]

I can't evenly manifold with my 3 pipes to 32 of them.

[gloomy tusk]

Is it smart that i Build Mini Modualr factorys that make say iron factory makes screws plates and rods and then i use trains to take them to steel factory and make things like that?

[ornate saffron]

for pure oil nodes oyu have no choice to move 600/min but where i have a choice i try to move less.

Example

if im making 800 HOR ill split that into to linw of 400 or even less

[spare cradle]

It isnt oil

Its fuel to Tfuel refineries

[fading whale]

You're trying the priority trick ?

[spare cradle]

a simple solution tbh is to go 4 pipes instead

[ornate saffron]

make high volume things like rods and screws where they are needed and direct feed them into the machines

[spare cradle]

Bc thats just 8 per

[rain hollow]

Yeah

[ornate saffron]

hence my example. instead of moving 600/min per pipe aim for a little less and youll have less issue.

[spare cradle]

What I am working on only eats a rough 370~ oil

[spare cradle]

I only have Mk1 pipes

[ornate saffron]

lol isuggest getting mark2 in the mam

[spare cradle]

... Isnt it a Tier thing?

[ornate saffron]

im only at teh start of phase 3 and i have them

[fading whale]

If you have unlocked fuel gens, you can get MK2 pipes.

[spare cradle]

Im working on Phase 3 and I don't have them

[fading whale]

A lot of things are. But many of the "extras" are unlocked in the MAM or Awesome shop.

[rain hollow]

On a side note I just got a boombox

[obtuse lotus]

I haven't gotten the game yet, but I am really interested in the spec bio aspect of the fauna. How much animal life is there in the game?

[unkempt blade]

The boombox is amazing. It's like the third best thing in the awesome shop

[rain hollow]

Are any of the tapes the actual songs that just play in the background by default?

[unkempt blade]

I don't think so? Not really sure

[ornate saffron]

unless you disable there spawn points the wildlife is infinite

[spare cradle]

I feel like I can point a finger at both my conveyors and my piping, #screenshots message

[fading whale]

It's Tier 6. Worth aiming for.

[unkempt blade]

I saw the close section and was like "that's not too bad" then I looked just past it

[spare cradle]

[ornate saffron]

my apologies. mk2 is tier 6. i guess i rushed them as i had thjem for my first fuel facility

likely found all that i needed exploring

[spare cradle]

The piping is going to be changed

Idk about the coal though... Idk

[fading whale]

I need to lie down....

[spare cradle]

Lmao

[ornate saffron]

if coal works leave it.

[spare cradle]

The thing is that I'm not sure

[ornate saffron]

come phase 5 you may break it down for the coal nodes..... imma Diamond gurl myself

[fading whale]

At least put a wall around it. Something. Anything.

[spare cradle]

Some sections in actuality aren't getting coal

Enough coal

And are getting enough fuel

[rain hollow]

Alright I think it's been working long enough now to say that the problem with my blender is fixed because neither the refinery making sulfuric acid or the fluid output of the blender are backed up yet the blender still has enough sulfuric acid being put into it to run constantly without stopping

Turns out the priority pipe merger works pretty well

[spare cradle]

The only thing I need for the pipes is heavy modular... Ew

[fading whale]

Best indicator is to look at the number in the output. It goes up and down, sure. But it should stay around the same. Ideally close to 0.
If it stays there, you're golden. If you check in an hour and now it's around 10. And another hour, now it's 15. Then you're not done yet.

[ornate saffron]

easily found around crash sites

[spare cradle]

I would rather just work on fixing my current machine

Evenly dividing it is the issue

[ornate saffron]

something that needs to be done regardless

[spare cradle]

And ok what I need to do

[wary falcon]

is 4 fused mod frames, + 8 radio control units + 4 supercomputers ambitious in one single factory on a max belt of 780?

[primal flax]

is it good practice to loop a pipeline back into the start of the line?

[spare cradle]

Ok then

[ornate saffron]

naw, just means your manifolds are shorter

[rain hollow]

The input has stayed at max 20 cubic meters of sulfuric acid and the output has stayed empty

[pulsar osprey]

Is it possible to make a train only depart for a station when another train leaves that station?

[wary falcon]

alright, because i modelled it in the satisfactory modeler and its prolly the most complex thing yet 😭

also, how do i use the modeler whilst playing satisfactory?

[obtuse lotus]

That's actually really good to know thank you! I moreso meant the like, diversity of fauna, though, apologies for my unclear wording

[ornate saffron]

there is a overlay feature. but i dont use modler

[spare cradle]

Should I just clean slate and try to make this refinery set up properly?

[wary falcon]

oh wow ok ty, ill see how to use it

[ornate saffron]

hogs, spitters, hatchers and spider. and they have advanced versions

[obtuse lotus]

Interesting!!! Thank you!

[mortal belfry]

guys at point in a run do you think i should start using trains?

[fluid sapphire]

Nope. What for, though? You could make a waiting bay at the entry to the station so they can queue up

[ornate saffron]

the bombos's bass kils hatcher flies

so drop that bass

[unkempt blade]

If they're fun for you then as soon as you have power to spend on running them 🙂

[ornate saffron]

when you feel conveyors and trucks are not good enough

[ornate saffron]

i know ppl that dont use trains ever

[mortal belfry]

ok thanks

[glacial drum]

Finished my new damn factory

[pulsar osprey]

I should have done that but I have things too compact, I have two trains to pick up and drop off water, and I want to make it so that I can have each train wait at the station until empty. I think I just need to somehow fit in a buffer

[glacial drum]

Big cube. Gotta decorate it after I eat

[ornate saffron]

EAT, WHILE DECORATING!

[zinc hemlock]

does anyone else struggle with verticality? like building logistics upwards and such

[spare cradle]

I feel like clean slating this thing so I can more cleanly make it

[fluid sapphire]

If they are only carrying water set them to depart only when empty/full, but make sure you have enough buffer capacity hooked up to your platforms

[ornate saffron]

the floor hole for conveyor lifts really helps

[fading whale]

I just had a seizure from clicking on your avatar.

[glacial drum]

Nah I keep food out of my room so I don’t get it dirty. It just helps me when it comes time to clean plus I don’t worry about bugs or crumbs in my room.

[pulsar osprey]

I just forgot to do that for this station and I'd have to rebuild a lot around it to fix it, just gonna bite the bullet though since i cant make the trains smarter

[zinc hemlock]

i finished my factorio play through so i thought i’d come back to satisfactory and im feeling mildly overwhelmed

[unkempt blade]

nah, the inverted pyramid factory is peak verticality

[ornate saffron]

im sure going 2d to 3d can be a adjustment.

advice .... leave the bus in factorio

[fluid sapphire]

We learn to leave room, always the hard way, if at all 😄

[fading whale]

I struggle with life.
Pretty sure that includes verticality.

[fluid sapphire]

I personally don't even start building the factory until all it's train stuff is built

[pulsar osprey]

i have learned the lesson many a time yet not enough apparently

[zinc hemlock]

satisfactory is so architecturally engaging

[glacial drum]

#screenshots message Gonna get some inside photos later but I’ve gotta figure out decoration first. I’m thinking a big stripe perhaps on the sides.

Not really sure the best way to decorate a cube..

[spare cradle]

I'ma about to be mr.clean on this factory

[glacial drum]

Maybe I could make it a rubik’s cube. Not sure it’s even enough, though.

[unkempt blade]

Yeah but at least I think you're a winner with upper management written all over you. You just need to use more factory carts to get there

[fluid sapphire]

Make some pixel art

[pulsar osprey]

thats basically what I did here, i set up pickups for all raw resources and im routing them out now, its just my first proper train network so its a bit of a learning curve

[ornate saffron]

go godzilla first

[spare cradle]

4 rows of 8 or 8 rows of 4

[fluid sapphire]

Been there fr fr

[fading whale]

Reminds me of a venue not far from me.
Google "DR koncerthuset copenhagen"

[pulsar osprey]

i keep accidentally setting up the rails wrong and the trains do a 180 and run into another train its so annoying

[fluid sapphire]

My aluminum factory was a massive undertaking with regards to trains

[wary falcon]

i am infact struggling to find the overlay feature if anyone know lmk

[pulsar osprey]

i just barely set up enough aluminum to have infinite mk5 belts i have yet to set up a proper factory for it

[frosty bloom]

Grea that you included that ss, but that tell me nothing. I´m not doing to read all the responses to fiugre it out, what we are talking.

[golden nexus]

its aluminium

Sloppy iirc

[glacial drum]

I wonder how quick I can make a train go

[frosty bloom]

Okay, and you problem on that is?

[golden nexus]

i explained it above.... it uses an alternative quirk

[frosty bloom]

I can tell the problem. Its the buffer

[golden nexus]

there is no problem

[fading whale]

Someone tested that (YouTube). He build the longest/steepest possible track within the world box. Think he maxed out at 750'ish.

[ornate saffron]

a quick google search revealed much information on the prgram including youtube tutorials

[golden nexus]

it uses an alternative work around for fluid priority using a pump + gravity. Its a quirk. As I said above I don't recommand it becuase you have to abuse 2 things at the same time

[glacial drum]

Well damn. Fast ain’t what I do best apparently

I’ll just keep running around then

[wary falcon]

i skimmed through maybe 3 or 4 vids and none mention ov erlay 🙁

[frosty bloom]

I´ll make this simple. You have a alt Alu production. You need 300 water for it. The production gives 180 back. You use a pipe that provides 600. And to get this obvious, i was talking about valves all the time, you can set a valve that actually works, to give the needed 120 for the process. Why would anyone even need a "pipe balancer?", since you can downclock pump, or use the VALVES? But i´m done on this.

[ornate saffron]

its only a vague recolection.... like i said i do not use it. so maybe its a feature that never came to be

[heady sable]

What do I do after phase 5 I want to play the game but I like having a objective

[golden nexus]

as explained before, the valve does not work, it breaks, but its fine if you want to continue to be wrong. But i won't let you mis-lead other people

[wary falcon]

yeah fair enough im sure it exists just might be hard to use

[glacial drum]

You could replay with challenges, go for all achievements, go for enough tickets to get every shop item,

[golden nexus]

So i will make sure people absolutly are made aware of this long term accepted solution #screenshots message and this long term accepted solution #screenshots message

[frosty bloom]

I´ll give me last response to this. It works. It is working my save. It had multiple reloads, and it still works. I cannot add anything more to this conversation.

[golden nexus]

Yes, Probably because your doing one of the things above and don't even realise it 😉

[glacial drum]

I have nothing more to say i’m done.. but let me come back and reply anyways..

[fading whale]

Make your own objectives.
"Now I want to use all the -insert resource here-"
"I want to make 2000 of -this thing- pr. minute"
Put a golden nut on e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g.

[frosty bloom]

Doing what thing? What am i missing? I am talking about the valves. What am i doing what i am not realizing?

[golden nexus]

its been explained, its easier at this point to just let you do you

[frosty bloom]

Very well. You do you, i do what i do.

[golden nexus]

Well actually the rest of us are doing what google says, which is extracted by the manual in the game for the fluid dynamics.... #screenshots message

Where do you think it got its information from?

[fading whale]

Popcorn, anyone?

[frosty bloom]

Really dont care anymore. This discussion is done for me.

[golden nexus]

Please read, you ignorant shit https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

they have been kickingaround in here for years

Its not my opinion. Its "the opinion".....

[fading whale]

Guys come one. When you pull out the 💩 it's time to take a knee 🙂
"It's just a game".

[golden nexus]

I common language where i am from...

[terse lagoon]

is 11250 quickwire per min needed guys 💔

[golden nexus]

in fact its massivly dulled down 😉

[tall lantern]

depends entirely on your choice of outputs and recipes

sounds like a lot though

[ornate saffron]

at one facility? no. Best to make it as needed in the factory that needs it. as its is easier to move cat ingots then cat wire

[fading whale]

Oh I like me some expletives. Don't get me wrong.
I just try and keep them out of public spaces 😉

[golden nexus]

I try... 🙂

Very thick skinned where i come from

[jolly sierra]

Is 32KW needed (my grid will soon be 300KW once I finish plugging in the nuclear plant)

[terse lagoon]

is there a channel where i can send photos so that u guys can see whatever monstrosity i've built for the quickwire (100hr gameplay total rn btw)

[tall lantern]

a channel for screenshots?

[terse lagoon]

yeah

[fading whale]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533

[golden nexus]

#screenshots

[jolly sierra]

#screenshots