satisfactory

[ornate saffron]

They make mark 3 miners. Its the cost of 1200 ore per minute on a pure node

[scenic mirage]

how do you build these conveyors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVZDxOmTYD4

[simple pebble]

Pure copper 🤢

[ornate saffron]

you get cursed and disrespect the machine spirits

[scenic mirage]

ok but fr how

[unkempt blade]

Sorry it's a secret. Did you try asking the creator?

[scenic mirage]

he is the creator

[unkempt blade]

confirmed secret then I guess

[grave burrow]

okay... I can explain...

[unkempt blade]

illuminati conveyor conspiracy

[grave burrow]

ALL of those belts, are bugged. Each turn, every lift, every hovering item uses a bug. I mainly made that save for the developers to have a single save with every belt bug there was at the time. Then decided to make a video out of it XD

The devs can use stuff like that to better track and fix bugs and i break things A LOT in game so its easier to just send them a save XD

[scenic mirage]

is it still possible to do in 1.1

[sick falcon]

wtf

[grave burrow]

Oh definitely. That was made just after 1.1 dropped XD

[unkempt blade]

confirmed that lizard bug people control the space government's conveyor policies

[vivid hearth]

is global ilumination is bad and glary for all or is just for me ?

[sick falcon]

do u have screenshots of the 29 million a min factory

[scenic mirage]

how do you do those bugs tho

[grave burrow]

Oh yes. Im not saying Im the largest builder, and certainly not the best. But myself and the developers arent aware of anyone that builds factories at my scale XD And I do have screenshots! I unfortunately wasnt able to record anything due to the engine just being unable to process anything, but I do have screenshots and the video saved from my streams where I did/built it all live.

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's just there to hide the illuminati[on] conspiracies about conveyor placement

[grave burrow]

okay so that save file has about 50 different bugs. Some very similar to recreate to one another and others using completely different methods. Hard to explain them all in a message but if you swing by my stream sometime, I would be more than happy to show you. All buildable in vanilla/console too.

[ivory condor]

I only know how do maybe do a few of those, some of those might be bugs I dont totally know how to do, mainly i know about the conveyor lift bugs myself, being able to build them side ways, but that is also a pathway to causing other bugs, because you can start building mergers and splitters in way that arent intended also, and can in turn cause alot of other weird stuff to happen

[scenic mirage]

👀

[ivory condor]

I see a few bugs I recognize, some being a product or offset of the conveyor lift bugs, but maybe some of those are newer bugs I havent seen to

[karmic jungle]

No amount of explaining can save this-

[abstract heron]

are biome factorys better for FPS

[unkempt blade]

@grave burrow it's too bad game QA is a dying profession because that video would make a pretty solid cover letter for you

[ivory condor]

really because I have seen pretty massive save files, 25-30mb in size at least, that can take upwards of 20 mins or longer to load still

some are infact so large it easily goes past the games default object limit

[grave burrow]

Remember, its not spaghetti, its... something I havnt even thought to name yet. Spaghetti is just unorganized layouts. Every one of my belts/lifts were built precisely to showcase the bugs.

[grave burrow]

Trust me, CSS sent me a screenshot of the thumbs down when I dropped that video 🤣

[karmic jungle]

Aneurysm Application

[sick falcon]

can i see

[grave burrow]

The loading can take a while in larger saves for sure, but if its taking 20+ minutes to load a save thats only 25-30mb, Id say there is a hardware bottlenecking it somewhere. I have save files ranging from 300mb-1.1gb and at most they only take 2hrs to load up. My vanilla save at 60mb only takes about 10 minutes.

[ivory condor]

well problem with QA is its a limited skill set and that will always have a limited amount as far as what studio's are looking for those skillsets, its a decent way to try to break into the game industry though without going to hard into game design/coding though, but again that makes your skills less marketable

[quasi warren]

cough HOW LONG??

[ivory condor]

not to mention those skill sets can easily be acquired by programmers as well, so the roles can essentially be merged in studios where it makes sense

[karmic jungle]

<.< MMMMMMMM

[unkempt blade]

yeah if you're doing it right (at least outside of gaming) it's definitely a specialized software engineer role otherwise you're stuck manual testing stuff

[abstract heron]

atm my main world has like 17k mb to load

but after a while it has to cool off

[unkempt blade]

A lot of developers are capable of learning but the cognitive load gets pretty steep the more roles/tools/libraries/etc. you spread them across

[karmic jungle]

Dude, I can barely process GameMaker, much less Unity or Unreal

[grave burrow]

yeah a few of those saves set the world record in both factory size (72sq km) and items a minute. Still waiting to see if the 1.1gb save size also broke the record (Im very certain it did though) Also keep in mind guys, a Satisfactory save greater than 400mb cant save to Steams cloud XD

[karmic jungle]

Oh hell no-

[unkempt blade]

I'm sure it's a skill that takes practice and effort to get good at like anything else. I'm sure you'll figure it out if you pick one and stick to it

[ornate saffron]

someone keeps adding how many screws per minute can satisfactory handle videos lol i havent watched any but i find the concept funny

[ivory condor]

probably, i usually run into cpu bottlenecks, i did reduce some of my bottlenecks by upgrading to a 13900k, but its hard to reduce my cpu bottleneck further, mainly because most cpu's on the market arent that much overall better

[karmic jungle]

You're absolutely right, but I haven't really had any consistency 🤣

[ivory condor]

well maybe by nova lake I'll be able to reduce my cpu bottleneck further, but that isnt launching I think until the end of the year

[grave burrow]

If youre playing on Steam, if you right click Satisfactory, then go to properties, in the general tab you should see a "launch options" Enter -useallavailablecores exactlylike that with the dash. Reboot the game and that will help ease the load on your CPU some. It basically just tells unreal that if you are reserving any cores for anything else, to just go ahead and use them for Satisfactory. Everyone I share that with usually gets a 25% boost in performance.

[ivory condor]

hmmm thanks for the suggestion, its definitely possible the game isnt fully utilizing my cpu for whatever reason

[abstract heron]

That did help me so much

[twin parcel]

when will i unlock mark 4 belt?

[ornate saffron]

phase 3

[twin parcel]

suffering from conveyor bottleneck issues 😭

[ivory condor]

really, hmmm well I never did play the game with these launch settings, so ill try it and see how much of a difference it makes when I can

[abstract heron]

i told andrew somewhere one night that i am trying the world NO major overclocking minus extractors ofc and power gens

[grave burrow]

Trust me, I have found every possibility to squeeze out as much performance out of limited hardware as I could over the years XD

[ivory condor]

its hard once you have a 13900k though to reduce bottlenecks further, because thats already a pretty good cpu, still im hopeful maybe with nova lake I can reduce my cpu bottlenecks further, because im always cpu bottlenecked with this game all of the time

[abstract heron]

and then a second runtime of with Overclocking everything

[abstract heron]

@grave burrow

[unkempt blade]

Not sure exactly how satis works but lots of games pound the crap out of one core for the main loop and at best offload some tasks that are less time-sensitive to other cores

[abstract heron]

Then after i wanted to see How much Power i can get from ALL pure Mods with best alts after 1.0 world

[grave burrow]

Yeah if the game runs on the Unreal Engine, that code will work for them too to balance the load across all cores.

[twin parcel]

its a cpu bound game?

[abstract heron]

I have i7k 7800x3d CPU

[ivory condor]

yeah definitely, i have noticed that to, im pretty sure whats happening is at some point I get bound heavily on a single thread and that really starts slowing everything else down, aka im basically single thread bottlenecked, aka on my IPC and clock speed on that

[acoustic bear]

yes

[unkempt blade]

most factory games are to some extent (you'll see your tick rate decrease over time, etc as the save expands)

[acoustic bear]

AMD X3D CPUs for the win

everything else is second rate

[ivory condor]

and as im limited on the IPC and clock speed on the 13900k, nothing I can really due to reduce the bottleneck on that one thread that ends up slowing down the game at some point

[twin parcel]

hmm , my factory is small but cpu is 50% am i cooked?

[acoustic bear]

13900k is all about memory choice and speed

but even that'll only take you so far

[acoustic bear]

no. that's normal

[abstract heron]

They should really scale down machine models a bit IF they can?

[acoustic bear]

the best thing to do is turn down view distance and the effects related to items moving on the conveyors

[ivory condor]

well not exactly, X3D only really shines in cases where game architecture benefits from the extra cache on the cpu, sure it gets some wins and it does some games it matches intel, sad part is I havent seen any comparisons of satisfactory and X3D vs none X3D so idk what benefit it would even have with this game, if any really at all

[acoustic bear]

which is most games

it's more than 50%

[ivory condor]

still part of me would think it might have a edge, given how cpu bound this game is, but again i havent seen any real comparisons done

[abstract heron]

If i did not cap my game at 60FPS my fps probbaly new world over 200 or 230 FPS

[acoustic bear]

plus the power draw isn't even a competition

[acoustic bear]

it beats intel more than it loses and the margins heavily favor AMD more often

not saying Intel is slow but AMD is king rn

[ivory condor]

well im locked into my current ecosystem, no turning back now XD

[acoustic bear]

and you shouldn't

especially if you got a good deal

[ivory condor]

wonder if i might go AMD by the time nova lake launches though hmmmm

[acoustic bear]

it's possible. I bounce back and forth it seems

[ivory condor]

funny enough over the years I have switched from using amd cpu's to intel cpu's, my last system was infact a amd

[acoustic bear]

13900K is still the better Intel chip IIRC

13900k/14900k vs the Core Ultra stuff that is

[ivory condor]

core ultra does bring efficiency improvements but not much else overall from what I can tell

[acoustic bear]

especially when tuned properly and paired with the proper ram/motherboard

[ivory condor]

why im easily skipping ARL, its really just not a overall upgrade, not to mention memory latency can be worse if you dont properly tune it because of moving the memory controller

[acoustic bear]

everything is tied to the consoles anyways in gaming, developers don't speend much time devoted to features that only .1% of their audience will use

[ivory condor]

funny how amd still rules the console market

[acoustic bear]

I think they're going to for awhile

same with handhelds right now

steam deck, ally etc are all basically consoles in your hand

[ivory condor]

amd seems to be the king of SOC's and intel and nvidia dont seem to be interested in trying to challenge it

[acoustic bear]

similar levels of compute power that is

[acoustic bear]

and that's going to be their downfall. look at Apple silicon

[ivory condor]

naturally that translated to handhelds as well, no real surprise

[acoustic bear]

Intel/nVidia used to be the best for a long time but I really think that's coming to an end. Intel doesn't have anything on the horizon and nVidia is abandoning gamers for AI

it's going to be AMD or mobile/ARM going forward

[ivory condor]

nvidia is still king of the mobile market with laptops, amd hasnt been any competition for as long as I can remember

[acoustic bear]

sorta. if you want a big brick of a laptop

[ivory condor]

i just dont see how amd is going to gain any traction going forward, given how much of that market nvidia still owns

[acoustic bear]

but I'd argue the thin n light goes to AMD

[ivory condor]

gaming laptops in general, hands down is still nvidia's market though

[acoustic bear]

AMDs new APUs are crazy good

[ivory condor]

cpu and discrete gpu, no competition exists from amd atm

[acoustic bear]

the new APUs from AMD do. they integrate the system ram into the VRAM so you can run huge LLMs

[ivory condor]

also not cost competitive, so they still cant compete unfortunately

[acoustic bear]

stuff nvidias discrete stuff can't do

[ivory condor]

the APUs are crazy good on paper but when you look at the prices for the machines compared to the traditional cpu and discrete gpu most gaming laptops, they really just dont make alot of sense, really just costs way to much for the performance they deliver

general consenses is, APU are good, cost however makes it impossible to consider if your really going to get a gaming laptop

[acoustic bear]

Intel can't touch AMD right now in laptop CPUs and while nvidia can make a faster discrete GPU, they're super expensive, bulky, hot and don't integrate super well.

AMD's power efficiency allows them to pull so far ahead in the areas that count

[quasi warren]

This is heavily leaning to #off-topic-tech

[acoustic bear]

I'm about done with it anyways

anyways, how about the weather, err satisfactory

[ivory condor]

Compared to AMD APU's, at least with mobile nvidia is cheaper than AMD's APU, if anything AMD APU for mobile is super expensive, not to mention in terms of efficiency nvidia keeps improving with each generation.

dont get my wrong amd APU's are good, but at least with mobile, compared to nvidia's offerings, AMD atm is the super expensive option, why most gaming laptop server basically cant recommend getting a laptop with a AMD APU, because it just isnt cost competitive

wish it was different, but it is what it is

sure wish halo strix was less expensive so it could actually compete with nvidia on mobile, but that APU really just costs way to much right now

[quasi warren]

What?

[compact flicker]

Wrong server

[quasi warren]

Fair enough

[compact flicker]

mb lol

Happy building Pioneers

[clever sandal]

i know its like off-topic but why have your pronouns on your nickname

just curious

[acoustic bear]

why not?

[compact flicker]

Got called he and wasn't a fan

[clever sandal]

i mean discord has the other thing on profile alr for pronouns

[acoustic bear]

true but it didn't always

and not everyone reads that

[clever sandal]

fair enough

[compact flicker]

Most people don't, in my experience

Hence the nickname addition

[acoustic bear]

people like being addressed with the proper pronouns, shocking

[clever sandal]

why cant it just work

[acoustic bear]

it does

I know she's a she

[clever sandal]

yeah

why does english really have pronouns

[acoustic bear]

gendered speech is silly anyways for the most part

[clever sandal]

like in my language there aren't any and we all live peacefully

[acoustic bear]

same happens here

[compact flicker]

Yall should see spanish

[acoustic bear]

only weirdos make a big deal about pronouns

most people just roll with it

[clever sandal]

just say that guy

or gal

or they

they is like more broad anyway

[acoustic bear]

does it matter to you?

[clever sandal]

idk

if i forget about then no

if i remember then also probably no

anyway is ADA a flat earther?

[keen vault]

does mk2 miner on normal node give 180/min or 120/min?

[real shale]

300

max

So uhhhhhh

My math brain ain't working

[keen vault]

buh 240 on pure dont equal to 300 on a normal

[real shale]

Max

It's 120 no oc

I had to do math real quick

[quasi warren]

240 with mk2 miners tho

[keen vault]

would normal node be 180?

[quasi warren]

Normal is 120 with mk2 miners no OC

[keen vault]

my brain deleted that move

[keen vault]

ok ok thx

[real shale]

All I know are the max figures for MK2 miners are 150 300 and 600, I just dropped my food doing maths aaa

[ornate saffron]

generally ill over clock all miners.

[wide sonnet]

is it normal for our tractor to literally fuck off to somewhere else when other people disconnect? other person leaves and it's suddenly in BFE along a route, even though I deleted the routes once I found out it won't autodrive with a passenger. wanted a robotaxi lol.

otherwise great game, haven't found any bugs except that and the LOD peaks from dx11

[ornate saffron]

lol no clue but thats infuriating and hilarous to hear about. i play solo

[quasi warren]

Same. If I get the whole node? Ima use the whole node

[wide sonnet]

yeah we drove out to a depot with supplies in the truck, and i logged out to do chores, then she couldn't build because the truck took off with the supplies. annoying...

we'll see if it repeats today

[ornate saffron]

even if just sink what im not using post a sign saying how much xtra/min there is

[wide sonnet]

p sure it didn't drive, gas wasn't down when found

[ornate saffron]

the only issue i have had so far with trucks in full release was once a truck fell through the map and conituned its route under the void until the stack of rods ran out

[weary kestrel]

Anyone recall what/if any alt recipes they used for adaptive control units? Or i guess their ingredients more the point. Just starting to plan it out now

[golden nexus]

depends how many you want

[weary kestrel]

This is for phase 3 currently so its only 100 but just for the fun of it I'd like to somewhat future proof

[odd magnet]

can someone help me w space elevator on my save

[fickle locust]

Alt for Automated Wiring, Silicon Circuit Boards, Encased Heavy Modular Frames, I've done computer factories with all of the alts

[golden nexus]

overall you need solid computer, hmf setups anyway, focus on maxing them to a node

[fickle locust]

Honestly I don't think you'd want to use the base recipe for anything in ACUs

[gloomy tusk]

very good but after i ate it i slept

[reef basin]

generally I wouldn't recommend futureproofing

[fickle locust]

Maaaybe regular computers? If you wanted to do plastic circuit boards

[golden nexus]

Like i do the caterium circuit board + caterium computer

it makes it logestically easy

[fickle locust]

But yeah my point is saying that I only made the big factory for this once I had all the alts and all the belts/splitters/etc. to make the factory really nice
I couldn't have set my phase 3 automated wiring factory up to be upgraded like this

[weary kestrel]

Yeah that would definitely improve

[weary kestrel]

Im only missing higher belt capacity currently no?

[golden nexus]

This means you need caterium, rubber, plastic in the same place

[weary kestrel]

Blue crater, chilling

[fickle locust]

It's weird because Cat Computer requires rubber not plastic. So there's an argument to make default computers using cat circuit board (cat+plastic), then regular computers (plastic+cable which you make from cat)

[quasi warren]

I think there is one spot in the dune desert with just that

[reef basin]

doesn't change my recommendation

[quasi warren]

Oil nearby, caterium nearby

[quick idol]

how many p/m can drones transport?

[golden nexus]

yeah so if you hvae a decent oil like 200/rubber 200/plastic you put it all into caterium circuit + caterium computer

[reef basin]

depends on a lot of factors

[fickle locust]

Right but to me there's an argument it's easier to send all the plastic to one place, rather than having to send both plastic and rubber

[quick idol]

let me ask a different question; should i transport my urnium via drones to my facilities or should i stick with trains?

[golden nexus]

This is where things get subjective.. see my "starter" base ended up with crude oil in it so the plastic, rubber are already on site

[ornate saffron]

you go about it the same way for any complex part. Take stock of what resourcews you have verses the resources you need, aquire resources then start producing parts. I happen to have access to lots of excess Quartz so im making Silicon Circuit boards, and Quartz oscillators If i already had access to excess plastic id use that instead.

[reef basin]

well... it's your choice 🙂

[untold moat]

Anyone got a list of all parts you need to build everything in the game, structures and vehicles?

[ornate saffron]

thats a loaded question but in short the wiki has everything

[golden nexus]

Now, If you want to see crazy space optimized. You can build citcuitboard below and computers above the shared quickwire floor #screenshots message

[reef basin]

wiki

[sinful roost]

Guys I did it, I completed phase 2 and have entered phase 3.
Almost done... right? 😅

[golden nexus]

no

It goes to phase 5

[gloomy tusk]

[odd vale]

Guys I downloaded this train elevator blueprint and my train is derailing non stop

[gloomy tusk]

resource well extractors are so insane

anyone know a good place to make fused frames?

[reef basin]

near resources it needs

[ornate saffron]

Like most things it depends on many factors. Are you trying to transport raw uranium or uranium rods? how far are you going, what power sources do you have for drones, how is your train system setup is is easier to add a train station. Your current decisions are based on all the knowledge you alone have for your setup and all the choices you've made so far and the plans you have for the future. everything i just said can be irrelevant if you just like the idea of drones and you want us to say drones to push you in that direction ^_^

 if you ask me i say "choo choo Mother F*****"

i have no bases for that choice

[golden nexus]

normally in the blender 😛

[gloomy tusk]

thanks for the useful answers guys

[quick idol]

makes sense, what i thoug about was a external train setup that can runs without waiting on signals or shit

[ornate saffron]

have you already made a large quantity of HMF you can draw from?

[reef basin]

tbh my answer is kinda legit

I can't really know what resources you're gonna use for it

and how much you are gonna make

[ornate saffron]

single rail two direction train is common for early pioneers. its how i completed the game my first time

[gloomy tusk]

i mostly avoid alt recipes

so like nitrogen gas, and the other stuff

[golden nexus]

its so situational by that stage of the game it cannot really be answered

[strong fiber]

Drones if ur fine with supplying drone fuel like batteries or any of the fuels

[reef basin]

honestly just get a list of things you need and then look at the map to see where it's good to have

[gloomy tusk]

i have industrialised such a minute area of the map

[quick idol]

my whole network is two rails works fine, but i thouht about 2-3 Stations into a big storage that divides into the number of belts i need

[ornate saffron]

Like some sort of CEntralized storage hub?

[golden nexus]

arrow points to where i did fused frame #screenshots message

[gloomy tusk]

did you bring resources for it or make it all there

[quick idol]

not really centralised, just the uranium ore at the facility after the stations

[ornate saffron]

my first credit roll i did everything from the Start of stage 4 to credits in the Red forest in the center of the map.

I wouldnt do that now but it was a thing.

[gloomy tusk]

cause i might just use the liquid transporters on trains to transport nitrogen gas somewhere

[golden nexus]

Its 3 main buildsings, steel, eletronics, aluminum (the ingots imported)

[gloomy tusk]

ok

[golden nexus]

i pull in the nitrogen by drone

[ornate saffron]

moving gases tend to work better if it is packaged. Fluid bugs are real.

[golden nexus]

the hmf comes across from the other building

[gloomy tusk]

i might build a factory for this in the desert then

i havent ever even been there apart from sommersloop searching XD

[golden nexus]

thats also quite and old shot me my setup 🙂

[gloomy tusk]

will it work?

[golden nexus]

let me get something more recent its way bigger now cause i scaled it up

[golden nexus]

you just need hmf for it mostly

hmf + casing + nitrogen

[gloomy tusk]

what new content do you guys think is going to appear in the big 1.2

[golden nexus]

hopeflly a new game mode which is more difficult

[wide sonnet]

I've noticed the production rates shown in all the machines isn't...accurate?
I've got a perfectly mathed out line but it keeps generating surplus in most of the machines

[gloomy tusk]

im hoping for a new map

[white dawn]

They should be pretty accurate. If you mean the "efficiency" percentage itself, that one's definitely an average over time -- if you're intentionally letting machines starve a bit, it's possible that number might not always match reality

[golden nexus]

stuff got bigger 🙂 #screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

something fluid related beyond that i have not speculated. Im sure ill enjoy whatever it is and i am happy about the continued game support with no extra cost ^_^\

[white dawn]

(Though it should be close.) What exactly are you seeing that's not right?

[gloomy tusk]

fr

[fiery gull]

eigheevoergoehscntngjfncdf;ndauinflocb fdsguifsbces bfsiubgflsicnfnsigsinfsdigugl

[wide sonnet]

no, i mean like thing says makes 30/s, machine in front consumes 30/s, first machine ends up with parts piling up in it

[white dawn]

Temper those hopes; we aren't getting new map content anytime soon. The only way that's gonna happen is with hypothetical future DLC or "Satisfactory 2" kind of stuff (which they have not even hinted at yet)

[fiery gull]

Dear god no

[gloomy tusk]

no DLC please

[acoustic bear]

I could see some DLC

[untold moat]

I know that, but wanted to see if I could be lazy :/

[fiery gull]

take that back rn

[acoustic bear]

it makes sense timeline wise

[golden nexus]

btw.. there is only 1 pure code node steel production going on in that to make everything needed

[fiery gull]

-# Holy hell you've been playing for 24 hours straight

[acoustic bear]

DLC isn't cancer

[white dawn]

I mean, as I say, they haven't said anything about whether or not hypothetical future DLCs might happen or not

[gloomy tusk]

fix the wording please

[ornate saffron]

that is the laziest solution

[white dawn]

So even if they do eventually have DLC-like content, it's not gonna be for awhile

[acoustic bear]

I've been playing for about 5 hours. The game has been running for 24 hours

[gloomy tusk]

i dont know what you mean

[fiery gull]

cya guys 💀

[golden nexus]

All items made using 1 coal node

like all game items to completion has a single steel setup

[white dawn]

Remember that AFKing is paying microtransactions to your power utility. It's not an AFK game; if you need more material, build bigger factories! :)

[acoustic bear]

it's more just that I'm lazy and downsize instead of exiting

[golden nexus]

I get 6/min fused frame from that

[untold moat]

Or 'AFK' by building bigger things itself

[white dawn]

You've presumably got a hiccup somewhere then. The production rates are accurate but if there's any backups anywhere, or belting errors, or power fluctuations or whatever, then things could get off-kilter

[white dawn]

Hah, I've definitely left games accidentally running overnight more than a few times, myself. :D

Especially easy to forget about when you use virtual desktops

[gloomy tusk]

ok

[acoustic bear]

I run two games all the time and don't notice lol

it's easy with starcraft 2

[golden nexus]

Like 1200/min coal = 1800/steel ingot

[ornate saffron]

imagine how much easier if it was Broodwar

[gloomy tusk]

i only just unlocked mk 3

[fickle locust]

I have this same thing all the time. A production line that should be 100% does work at 100%, with the result that every machine ends up with a full stack of all its inputs

[golden nexus]

Start using it 🙂

[ornate saffron]

thats fine just divde 1200 by 270 ^_^

[gloomy tusk]

i cant

[acoustic bear]

lol yah but even starcraft ii specs are like 512mb ram lol

[wide sonnet]

game giving 101%

my smart plate line is 1:1 all the way down but piles up input and output in most machines eventually

[fickle locust]

Yeah I've just accepted it at this point that there's some extra that shows up somehow

[ornate saffron]

games just giving you mini sloops for free

[gloomy tusk]

i only just unlocked turbo motors

[wide sonnet]

I guess to allow for fun routing through splitters and etc without losing the timing

[white dawn]

I've basically literally never had that happen to me

[ornate saffron]

oh then you should have mark 5 belts

[golden nexus]

yeah can help to make a temp build for mk3 miners reasons

[wide sonnet]

even a small line with constructor -> constructor -> box ends up with first constructor full, and second with overflowing input

[golden nexus]

whats whole smart plat look like?

cause you will find your rotor/rplate is offset from each other or something

[wide sonnet]

yeah I expect those to pile at the end because the smart plate maker is slow af, but I keep scooping the last assembler for pocket change before it fills

[white dawn]

I dunno, sounds bizarre. As I say, with 100%-uptime machines properly clocked, and math worked out properly, I've literally never seen that happen

[golden nexus]

They can take a very long time to fill the slow items as well

[fickle locust]

That's fascinating because it's 100% for me

[white dawn]

The only time I've seen similar things is that there is a performance-related problem on bigger endgame savefiles which can show up on mk6 belts where you're trying to push a full 1200/min

[golden nexus]

So how many rplate do you have?

[white dawn]

("performance" as in, you'll generally only see that on potato machines like mine. :)

[wide sonnet]

iono like 200 on me for building, just finished smart plates for phase 2, now making the girder things, gotta ramp up steel

12k steel bits oof

[golden nexus]

like how many per minute and how many smart plate /min you doing?

[gloomy tusk]

yes i do

[wide sonnet]

just the one machine, 2 smart plates/m lol

[gloomy tusk]

i have aluminum Fully automated like its insane how much i make

[wide sonnet]

started it early and went to figure out foundry and more power, is done now

[gloomy tusk]

i have performance related problems 💔

[ornate saffron]

ya i usually start with one fully Overclocked mk2 node of bauxite and go from there

[wide sonnet]

just got mk2 miner, need to go back to power plant and expand

[gloomy tusk]

well i am switching to phone so i can play some satisfactory

[golden nexus]

teaser for you 😛 #screenshots message

[wide sonnet]

you went up. I need to make a 2nd floor and copy the existing design, now that I can just double ore output

[ornate saffron]

to put that in perspective you need a total of 4300 smart platings to see the credit rolls. you will likely have more then 100 hours by then lets say it took 20 hours to get smartplating building thats 9600 smart plates by the time you hit 100 hours

[golden nexus]

yeah you don't need very much, i just maxed 4 impure iron nodes for the sake of it

[wide sonnet]

well, we're nearing end of phase 2, at like 24h

[ornate saffron]

ya so 2/min isnot slow at all ^)^

dam quick really

[jolly sierra]

Wsp chat

[ornate saffron]

how fast you go is very user based. but people get to the end of phase 3 start of phase 4 and there progress slows way down

[wide sonnet]

yeah figured it'll be time to run some more resources from far out, when I got those biiig power poles + tractor to do deliveries

[jolly sierra]

bruh why is there a glados emoji here, wrong server dude.
-# if this has ANYTHING to do with story pls don't tell me

[acoustic bear]

this.

[ornate saffron]

generally speaking centralizing all production in the game is a recipe for confusion. most spread it out and build where the resources are. for example its easier to ship your smart plating to a facility then everything for versatile plating to your smart plating

[acoustic bear]

I've been on phase 4 for about 2x as long as it took me to get to phase 3 lol

up to phase 3 is basically a tutorial almost

[ornate saffron]

phase 4 is as complex as it gets, Phase5 is cool ||alien stuff||

[jolly sierra]

Not gonna reveal that, but there's a phase 5?

I'm still phase one

[ornate saffron]

yes sir, i dont think thats to much of a spoiler. in one of the early access builds ada told you as much. i think they took that out though

[zenith sage]

At least 2 of the 4 products are surprisingly simple tbh

[green fiber]

||Quantum ||magic

[torn lynx]

hey so, with trucks, i jsut record what i do for the ppath adn then itll do it itself right?

[weary condor]

Yep!

[torn lynx]

that is sick

cause im seeing its use to brign fdar away ores back to home base

[white dawn]

Indeed -- keep in mind that you do not actually manually load/unload at stations. Skip doing that entirely. When you finish recording the path, the game will automatically put a yellow "pause node" at the station, and the vehicle will stop there to do whatever the station tells it to

Some other unasked-for advice, since vehicles do have a bit of a learning curve:

1. Use the map's "natural" roads! Vehicles work great on them. That limits your route selection, but it's worth it. Only build your own roads if you really want to.
2. Recording "good" routes takes practice! Drive slowly if you need to, make wider turns than you think you need to, stick to "lanes" with your traffic, and try to avoid head-on collisions with routes
3. Don't bother manually loading/unloading while recording. When a vehicle arrives at a station, the station will do whatever it's configured to do.
4. Don't try and reverse while recording; vehicles don't handle it well. "Drive through" stations are ideal.
5. Vehicles will stop at any station they pass through! Make sure your stations are separated enough.
6. Stations transfer at 2 stacks per minute; you can edit the yellow pause node to adjust how long vehicles stay there.
7. After recording a route, check it for blue pause nodes and delete them if you see them. There's a bug related to those.

[torn lynx]

wait so i have to laod and unlaod it myself? that cant be automated?

oh you said you dotn manually, sorry i suck at reading sometimes

and of coruse it always nees fuel, luckily i havbe a biofuel maker so

[white dawn]

Heh, all good! :)

Coal actually makes a pretty good early-game vehicle fuel, if you've got that available

[shrewd hatch]

coal alert

[torn lynx]

wanna see my auto bio farm? well it needs to be fed wood butt its pretty efficient

[untold moat]

I used to have an outpost blueprint that had a set up for converting leaves, wood, and micellar into solid biomass and alien parts into DNA capsules.

[white dawn]

Sure, #screenshots is available for all your bragging desires. :)

[torn lynx]

ill send it when i get back ill post it, trying to fidn a good ceterium deposit

[acoustic bear]

I just keep these setup near my hub

[golden nexus]

heres one i made #screenshots message

[torn lynx]

also do trucks have any chacnes of screwing up?

[golden nexus]

yeah, many

[acoustic bear]

I've been using conveyors and trains solely to avoid the bugs

[torn lynx]

trains?!

[acoustic bear]

drones too

[torn lynx]

sorry im new i jsut completed phase 1

[acoustic bear]

you're in for a treat then

just keep going

don't think about anything too deeply

[untold moat]

HARVEST

[acoustic bear]

CONSUME

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-the-lorax-i-am-the-lorax-and-i-speak-for-the-trees-lorax-trees-gif-8761753623015681761

[fluid crow]

how to "Harvest the scripture and compose it into a blood song?"

[acoustic bear]

FOLLOW THE VEINS

[jaunty vault]

Are the 4m ramps the steepest thing conveyors can snap to? I need to run some belts down a mountain. Do you guys try to use lifts instead in that case?

[torn lynx]

I FOUDN A PURE VBEING OF CETERIUM

[tall lantern]

if you need to run stuff vertically, definitely just use lifts

[fickle locust]

I hope you mean node because if there are beings of caterium that's news to me

[acoustic bear]

that's a lift case

[quasi warren]

Probably node

[torn lynx]

ok, so the plan is to set up a foundry here ot make it into bars... wait maybe if i set up a wire facotry isntead and jsut bring the wire back to base

[acoustic bear]

you can snap between two lift holes an infinite distance if they're lined up

[fluid crow]

if there's anyway lifts would work yes

[jaunty vault]

Now to use the lifts do you belt them to chests and then lift them down or

[jaunty vault]

Oh really?

Okay hell yeah

[tall lantern]

though that is a glitch, mind

[jaunty vault]

Fuck em

[tall lantern]

you can also just attach lifts to lifts

[acoustic bear]

you can but it looks janky

big straight lifts look sexy

[jaunty vault]

Another thing, are mk4 belts the best or what # should i be planning my thruput for

[fickle locust]

Usually you want to move the smaller product--it's easier to transport caterium ingots and then make wire than it is to make the wire and transport that

[acoustic bear]

5 and 6 exist

but 4 is pretty decent and just do what you can

[tall lantern]

wrong way around, use the belts you need for the throughput you want. And if it doesn't fit onto one belt, make multiple

[fickle locust]

They go up to mk 6, but generally you're going to want to make new factories rather than planning to scale up

[ornate saffron]

preach brother SPREAD THE HOLY WORD

[jaunty vault]

Okay thanks

[acoustic bear]

this.

you'll get better recipes and stuff and want to redo everything anyways

[tall lantern]

resist the temptation

[ornate saffron]

learn Alternate is not better just diffrent

[acoustic bear]

the best answer is to just setup an early base that can feed your dimensional depots and then use that to construct everything else later on

[ornate saffron]

solid game plan

[golden nexus]

Yup, Just get a T9 starter base #screenshots message

[acoustic bear]

this looks very much like my base

concrete sea with various stacks

[weary condor]

Hmmmmm

[acoustic bear]

I like that as I move around my map, I can see different generations of my factories and building skills

[golden nexus]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm concrete #screenshots message

[torn lynx]

so make the wire at home?

[fickle locust]

That's what I would do

[ornate saffron]

make the wire where its being put to use

[golden nexus]

no, wire expands so you have to move 2x as much

[torn lynx]

i wanted to make the wrie becasue im gonna unlock coal power soon

[golden nexus]

For coal, You need rplate, rotor, wire, cable, concrete, copper sheet

[fickle locust]

The point is making the wire at the caterium node is probably not helpful, unless you're using that wire at the caterium node to make something else

[torn lynx]

i emant power 2.0

[golden nexus]

Yeah.. first coal power.... you need the parts to make the coal gens and water extractors

[torn lynx]

oh i have everything thats possible to automate at my stage being automated right now

[acoustic bear]

I've been moving my ores to the coast, refining them using the pure recipes and then building more complex parts above and moving those around with trains

[stoic nebula]

how would you explain "you clocked her tea" to someone in their 50s?

[ornate saffron]

i responded in #off-topic-general

[quasi warren]

I remember when conveyor lifts never existed

[quasi warren]

Wait im confused

[acoustic bear]

ngl I played satisfactory in early early access and didn't like it one bit and returned it to steam

[sudden patio]

AH yes, the days of belt spirals

[acoustic bear]

now at 1.1 it's crack

[stoic nebula]

i saw

[torn lynx]

ALSO THE TRUCKS WILL AUTOMATICALLY REFUEL IF A STATIO NHAS FUEL RIGHT?

[quasi warren]

So should I not use max belts at all my factories?

[acoustic bear]

I use max belts everywhere

[torn lynx]

capslcok, my bad

[acoustic bear]

if you're having issues with waiting on your depots to fill you need more uploaders

I got like 6 uploaders feeding my concrete alone so I can spew concrete and not have to wait on my depots to refill

[golden nexus]

my concrete tower style needs about 4 concrete uploaders

cause you can burn though 1000/min concrete in bursts

[acoustic bear]

yup

easy

[quasi warren]

Once first coal plant is done. And you expand. You feel FREE

[sudden patio]

I have eight or nine and still have to wait sometimes

[acoustic bear]

shoo wee

I'm sure it can be done with blueprinting

[sudden patio]

yeah its always blueprinting that does it

[acoustic bear]

I usually just zoop out foundations

[quasi warren]

I wana do atleast... 32 coal gens for my first coal plant this save?

Around there roughly

[acoustic bear]

ehh, I think it's smarter to rush for fuel

[sudden patio]

I have one blueprint that uses like 750 concrete or something like that

[acoustic bear]

diluted fuel was when I finally felt free

[quasi warren]

Im playing with a brand new player

[golden nexus]

So.. i will just click down something like this... #1455008912666263684 message

[quasi warren]

Its unknown

There we go. It fixed itself

[golden nexus]

its 300/min stator that building

[quasi warren]

They know NOTHING of satisfactory

[golden nexus]

oh dear

sometimres your better to let new players figure the first few tiers on their own

[quasi warren]

Yeah T-T thats what Im wanting them to do

I really only show basic concepts

[acoustic bear]

it's almost required

[quasi warren]

And expand if they get completely lost

[acoustic bear]

I let them pick the next thing to do and then help them along. I don't do anything on my own for them

unless I'm confident they understand

[narrow canyon]

What is the big glowy circle under the map? O0

[hushed totem]

Man, I really need to stop adding multiple things together when I do my math equations, because I have an aluminum factory I set up but I split it in half due to pipe throughput restrictions and I need 1,800 water per minute Total, and I was putting that 1,800 into the two sets of 5 refineries and was wondering why I was having excess water

[wintry wharf]

i cant send my friend an invite through epic to him on steam

[narrow canyon]

Logical...

[wintry wharf]

anyone know why???

[dense violet]

it's pretty normal! learn the basics first

[hybrid nymph]

Hey guys 😅

[fluid crow]

steam can use epic but not the other way. so your friend should link epic

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah you need to learn the basics first. It's a little confusing at first but you'll get the hang of it

[fiery gull]

am back y'all

[wintry wharf]

hes linked to epic

i am not getting any option to invite him

i have options to report block and unfriend and no option to invite

[fiery gull]

I feel like that just goes to show society as a whole

[untold moat]

Hey, that just means you have realistic factories, which are pretty much non-descript boxes.

[fiery gull]

My factories are neat, organized, functional and my current largest one is symetrical

[untold moat]

Nothing wrong with that, just saying IRL factories are bland on the outside, and not intuitively organized on the inside (for the layman)

[void cliff]

I just want to take like 3 weeks off work and play satisfactory for 18 hours a day during those 3 weeks! Is that too much to ask!?!

[fiery gull]

In my world it isn't

Realistically it will never happen 😭

[crude holly]

Owned this game for a very long time just booted it up and started playing yesterday. Friend recommended rushing hard drives?

[acoustic bear]

ehh, they're helpful don't need to rush them

[torn lynx]

ok automatied trucks made me relaize the importance of walls

[crude holly]

Currently just throwing all my stuff around until I get the ability to do some infinite power

[acoustic bear]

get enough mercer spheres and slugs to unlock the dimensional depots and shards in the MAM

the dimensional depots are a HUGE unlock. hard drives are just situational

[crude holly]

Okay I'll keep that in mind whatever those are 😛

Going in rather blind so just figuring out as I go

[acoustic bear]

there are three big ways to unlock new items, the hub, the mam and the awesome shop. the MAM has dimensional depots under alien technology.

[crude holly]

Ahh okay thank you I'll keep that in mind

[acoustic bear]

you'll do fine. this game gets really wide really fast

there are a million directions to go

it's easy to feel overwhelmed but really as long as you're picking an objective and working on it, you'll be fine

the game is rather self-directed

[mystic oriole]

and the game gets significantly easier after you're done the tutorial.

[hybrid nymph]

While it is a sandbox game, similar to modded Minecraft, It feels a little overwhelming at first but once you know what you're doing and get the hang of it it's really not that bad

[crude holly]

Yeah I'm just vibing want to do stuff that I find fun while slowly progressing. Don't want to make any giant mega factories. Want to make stuff off site and then maybe make a somewhat central factory but don't want anything giant.

[acoustic bear]

you can totally do that

modular factories is a common strat

[golden nexus]

its mostly about biting off maagable problems

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah that's fine. I personally recommend starting in The grassy Fields Because there is a coal deposit, several copper deposits, and several iron deposits right next to each other

[mystic oriole]

yes, and a lot of people say don't listen to me when I suggest to skip coal power

[crude holly]

Just completed Phase 1 of the space elevator at 6 hours

[void cliff]

The most overwhelming thing in the game isn’t even the game itself, but the aesthetics of the game (at least for me)

[acoustic bear]

I tend to think this too

coal just isn't enough of a boost in MW over biomass

it's more stable and slightly easier to setup than fuel but you leapfrog past it's few hundred MW super fast

[tall lantern]

but it is automated, and that's the real thing - most people don't want to be babysitting their power for another two tiers

[void cliff]

Coal isn’t a great source of power, but it offsets your biomass use. That said, skipping phase 2 and even 3 straight into phase 4 is not that hard

[acoustic bear]

setting up an automated biomass feeder is easy as pie and you can easily stuff it with enough biomass in 10 minutes of farming for ~5 hours of runtime

[torn lynx]

i dont think i ogttta redign all my facotries but i may need to redesign the hub and where all product goes

[acoustic bear]

or rather biofuel

[void cliff]

Setting up an 8-coal generator will probably eliminate your biomass use though, and it’s super easy to set up, too. 24 hours/day use without filling up collecting biomass at all. Even if you are using a lot of biomass power, coal will directly offset your consumption needs by 600 MW at a time

[crude holly]

I'm trying to not cut down a single tree

I felt horrible just picking up the bushes because nothing is respawning

[tall lantern]

natural destruction is the ficsit way

don't be conscientous, be efficient

[ornate saffron]

@heady schooner congratulations!

#screenshots message

[torn lynx]

is there anyway to move stuff withotu destorying it?

[void cliff]

I’m kind of a fan of skipping OIL based power until phase 4, more than skipping coal. Still set up a single oil node for plastic and rubber and some fuel power, but don’t bother going crazy with it, you’ll just rebuild/demo it later

[golden nexus]

no

[torn lynx]

dang, ok, i sjut need to redesign the home base and separeate the overal lsotrage of everythign and my hub

[golden nexus]

just assume after about T4-5 your going to rebuild everything

[torn lynx]

AH OK, BUT I NEED TO REBUILD NOW HAHAHA

[golden nexus]

or nothing is perm

[tall lantern]

rebuilding is optional

[golden nexus]

of course.. it depends how you play

[tall lantern]

it's probably quite common to rebuild the truly starter starter stuff

but even then you don't have to (but "because I want to" is valid for anything you want to do here)

[golden nexus]

like my early game bases look like this, which is why they get rebuilt #screenshots message

[tall lantern]

lol my early stuff's all still just sat where it started

[quasi warren]

Nothing is more permanent then a temporary solution

[real shale]

That's a lie launches myself out of a hypertube with no way to stick the landing

[golden nexus]

its a protoduction (a prototype in production)

[real shale]

Which reminds me I still have that one hypertube in my map that lands me straight into a conveyor belt and kills me

[tall lantern]

working as intended

[real shale]

I have certainly earned a few Darwin awards in my save like standing on a freight car while it's loading

[heady schooner]

Thanks :D

[mystic oriole]

classic

[manic pivot]

can 8 coal gens be ran by one normal coal node mk1 miner

mk2 conveyors btw

[golden nexus]

overclock it

[edgy nacelle]

has anyone else ever had their trains behave unexpectedly due to a schedules starting point? On my last save I experienced my trains redirecting to the wrong stations even though the schedule was accurate to my intentions, only by shifting the schedules starting point to a different station was i able to correct whatever confusion was occuring,

say for example i had 5 stations marked and scheduled 1-2-3-4-5, it wouldn't work, but shifting it to 2-3-4-5-1, made it work

i was wondering if this is common (i figured the trains likely run on the shortest possible route but i'm sure that isn't a factor here)

[crude holly]

Currently working on automating all the the intro stuff is so interesting and fun

But man am I trying to rush coal power these biofuel machines are awful

[golden nexus]

they are fine if you automate it

[edgy nacelle]

dont be afraid to rush coal power

the sooner you get rid of biofuel the better

[golden nexus]

that to of course

[manic pivot]

whats the max one coal normal node with miner mk1 can handle

[golden nexus]

but if you struggle to get to coal power, just chainsaw -> box -> biomass -> solid fuel -> burners

[crude holly]

Yeah currently found this super cool program, "Satisfactory Modeler." Making it so much easier to visual where and what I need for automation.

[manic pivot]

(coal generators)

[golden nexus]

120/min = 8 gens

[manic pivot]

so the max is 8 gens

fug i need atleast 12

[golden nexus]

tehcncially you can so compacted coal and push that to 120/min of compacted coal and get 16

you probably odn't want to do that 😉

[manic pivot]

how about 2 coal nodes

[golden nexus]

then 2x8

[manic pivot]

i suck

at math

[golden nexus]

american?

[edgy nacelle]

you can finish the game without math tbh

just know what things do

try your best

[crude holly]

Now to explore and find coal next to water

[ornate saffron]

satisfactory tools is for math

[edgy nacelle]

the math makes it satisfactory

[golden nexus]

once you figure out you never need to work with a number bigger than 20 maths gets more simple 😉

[crude holly]

Nearest coal is 900m aware ;-;

[golden nexus]

get blade runners?

[feral jay]

Is there a mod with a buildable that would let me monitor a pipe's throughput over time? (so not just the instantaneous rate you get from inspecting a pipe or valve)

[manic pivot]

how many water extractors for 16 coal generators

[golden nexus]

6

[golden nexus]

don't build it like that. Build 3 extracotrs + 8 gens. Then copy the setup

[crude holly]

Lol all these things people keep referencing I have no clue.

[edgy nacelle]

you know, the game actually has a built in calculator if you're interested

[crude holly]

I'm excited to find/learn about them

[golden nexus]

So mam -> quartz tree -> blade runners

[manic pivot]

where

[golden nexus]

press n -> type 2 * 8

[feral jay]

They might not want that kinda thing spoiled (although to be fair that's not much of a spoiler)

[edgy nacelle]

the "quick search" key, just type in your calculations there

[golden nexus]

Its a T2 spoilers 🙂

[crude holly]

I never knew what n did

How many portable loot boxes do y'all have?

[edgy nacelle]

depots?

[crude holly]

Lizard Dogs

[feral jay]

Three or four, you get better options for inventory management later

[edgy nacelle]

ohh, like 3 which i dont feed enough, or utilise at all for that matter (they only exist for pats)

[crude holly]

Buddy told me how to tame them and I've got two that have given me weird items.

Currently worried because he said his notoriously would just disappear.

[edgy nacelle]

the npc spawns are kinda weird

[feral jay]

Look up ||doggo ranch||

[crude holly]

Okay I'll look it up in a lil

[dense violet]

!miner

!wikisearch miner

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=miner

[silver seal]

I'm trying to make an aluminum factory, I am trying to use recycled water but the refineries producing aluminum scrap arent draining their water. My current pipe set up has the water extractor pipe going to the sloppy alumina refineries with the recycled water joining in a junction. How do I make it so they actually drain the water into the system?

[dense violet]

dont join the fresh and waste water

[dense violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=69834dbe&is=6981fc3e&hm=995c68a209f0564333c38f9514e02d0b598e76034946975aa1cf605138f80f00&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

bottom refs are solutiopn, top scrap
blue is fresh, red is waste

[dense violet]

make sense?

[silver seal]

Yeah it makes sense, thanks for the help

[dense violet]

clocking solves basically 100% of possible issues you have with logistics in this game

[manic pivot]

coal generators are the introduction to the pain in the ass of satisfactory for new players

[dense violet]

not really. You just have to learn to do maths by numbers not by node or machine

you can clock your machines from 1% - 250% , including miner outputs, so doing node/machine maths is super awkward

[dense violet]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[torn lynx]

is there any options for quick stacking?

[dense violet]

simple layouts for coal gens.
usese 1xmk2 (120) of coal and 3 extractors for 360 water

[golden nexus]

sort?

[dense violet]

if you hold shift while clicking items it'll move all of them I think? might be ctrl

[torn lynx]

i mean movign stuff my my inventory to a storage that has matching items

[golden nexus]

ctrl+click

[torn lynx]

ok there nobutton to move everythign at once, got it

and it dont mean store all, i eman iif i have a storage full of iron rods i wantot deposite all the iron rods i have at once

[silver seal]

The closest you'll get is ctrl+click on iron rods in your inventory

[drowsy kelp]

Shift moves the single stack you click on, ctrl moves every stack of that thing

[wintry wharf]

is there a maximum angle a auto train can go down?

[leaden turret]

nope, only up, and that's more of a length thing.

[wintry wharf]

ok i cant figure out why my trains wont go down a completely certical 90° rail

[leaden turret]

¬_¬

[wintry wharf]

whats that face

i can pilot them fine

[manic topaz]

motor stack size is killing me

[spare cradle]

Very small? Yeah.

[quasi warren]

Seeing my friend play satisfactory, who's completely brand new to the game, rarely touches factory games, is starting to become funny, its like they are learning how to do things for the first time

[wintry wharf]

so is there another reason why my train wouldnt be going down?

[quasi warren]

I just tell them what to do the first time, basic concepts. Then I have them apply what I taught them in their own builds

And somehow? That works.

[spare cradle]

That is how learning works

[manic topaz]

any item with a stack size <100 makes me want to chew on rocks

[zenith pecan]

Logistics is what caused my approach using tunnel networks.

[manic topaz]

What is a tunnel network

[zenith pecan]

Looks a bit like this #design-and-architecture message

[spare cradle]

Hyper tubbbe

[spare cradle]

Lemme tell ya something, get more inventory slots

Or make a stash of the materials you need near the location of where you're building

[edgy nacelle]

Nothing saves more time than not needing to waste it

[manic topaz]

i already have all of them 💔

[manic topaz]

yeah that's what i'm planning on doing

[vague briar]

so what are some good survival automation games

[manic topaz]

excluding satisfactory
the create mod in minecraft is pretty fun, especially with addons

[vague briar]

ngl way too much brainpower for me

[manic topaz]

i don't it is appreciated when i talk about not-satisfactory in #satisfactory

[vague briar]

true didnt notice the other channels

[edgy nacelle]

StarRupture is a new release that is in a similar vein to Satisfactory

I can't tell you it's good, I haven't played it, but it fits what you asked for

[stoic laurel]

#screenshots message
first 30 refineries down out of 114 for HoR alt recipe... thats 30 refineres out of 672 in total i need

[sick peak]

Gregtech new horizons, only takes up 2-4k hours of your time

[vague briar]

is that a minecraft mod?

[sick peak]

Yes

[vague briar]

hmm

[manic topaz]

i really want to get started but like
i don't even think i have that many hours on all of my steam games

[vague briar]

or atm10

[sick peak]

Probably one of the most in-depth ones. I haven’t played it but I heard it is really good, but has a slow start

[manic topaz]

yeah i heard that the "stone age" takes about 500 hours

[sick peak]

So you need to push yourself to get into the interesting stuff

[sick peak]

I think it’s shorter. There’s like.. 15? Or somewhere around that amount of energy stages you reach

Or eras wtv

[vague briar]

sounds like fun for a minecraft mod

[sick peak]

Either way it takes a long time.

[vague briar]

i really want to try the fcs subnautica mod but its super out of date

[sick peak]

But keeps you on pace the whole time with a guide book and what not

[manic topaz]

i added them all up and came to about 3k

[sick peak]

I wonder how long it’ll take me to beat satisfactory ngl

300 hours in and just got to phase 4

[vague briar]

i prob only have like 2-3k steam hours

mostly from warframe

[sick peak]

Warframe takes up id reckon a quarter of my steam hours

1.5k

[vague briar]

warframe is so goated

waiting for the tau update or whatever coming in a few months to get back

[sick peak]

It’s fun yeah. I have a lot of free time in my hands so I thought I’d play satisfactory to its fullest as I left it untouched since January last year

Hard stuck on phase 3 but finally decided to push and redo all my factories and transport

Now I’m just addicted again

[feral jay]

Up to 23.2GW with 100% worldwide efficiency (except for sinks and trains and a couple misc things like gas nobelisk production) so far 😃 #screenshots message

Took like a week to work the bugs out of my latest turbofuel plant

[jolly sierra]

My phase 2 setup #screenshots

[feral jay]

LMAO using the photo mode, and then taking a picture with your phone

Nice though

[jolly sierra]

Unable to use disc on my PC atp

[leaden turret]

?

[jolly sierra]

Parents lol

[leaden turret]

why would the existence of parents inhibit the existence of files on disk?

[jolly sierra]

Discord. Not disk

[leaden turret]

ah, no desktop / web discord?

[jolly sierra]

Wifi controls

[feral jay]

I just found it funny, a phone picture of a game in screenshot mode

[jolly sierra]

Lol

[leaden turret]

I think there's been at least one community highlight that was a photo of a screen

[jolly sierra]

UUUGHHHHHH MY FUSE BLEWW

[wintry wharf]

guys can auto trains not go down straight verticals?

[jolly sierra]

I'm gonna overclock my power station

[dense violet]

Max elevation they can climb is about 2m ramp

*incline

[feral jay]

They were asking about going down

[wintry wharf]

and down?

[sick peak]

I still need to figure out or like trains

[feral jay]

I assume you simply can't lay vertical rail without some kind of glitch

[wintry wharf]

i have laid vertical rail

[sick peak]

I tried using them but it just felt so tedious

[wintry wharf]

my auto train wont go down it

[sick peak]

And annoying to build with but I might not run into that issue if I do end up trying them again

[rustic rune]

got a question about planning out trains - I have two train destination that are supposed to bring 3600 sulfur in total to my power plant. 2400 from one place and 1200 from a different train station. How many freight cars I should have the train running at? I was thinking because 3600 total, and its safe to have 600 per platform, so went with 6 cars per train, is that ok? A note here, both train stations are in two different directions so I'm running a separate train to each.

[feral jay]

It depends on how long those trains take to make a round trip

[sick peak]

It would just take longer to bring the whole payload back and forth

Less cargo = more speed

[feral jay]

WHen you get it set up, interacting with the station will give you a part/min readout somewhere

[sick peak]

So if you wanted to be careful you could do two, but idk if that’s really all that efficient either, you’d need to line it up with the amount of items per minute and full load

[rustic rune]

yes, I know, and that's how I knew my previous set up, bringing only 2400 was doing alright with 4 cars

but now that I have a different station to deal with, that's further and in a different direction Im not sure how many cars that one should have

[sick peak]

I think over 5 cargo is really where it starts to go slow

[rustic rune]

can I aim for 1200 parts/min from a train station with buffer with the mk6 belts?

because if yes, then I think I could just run with 3 or 4 cars for safety for each train

then balance out the incoming cargo into 3 full belts on site

[sick peak]

Yeah that sounds good

So at least they’d be moving at a good pace and not heavily impact or impact at all your production line

[rustic rune]

I could always run another train on that longer route if one is not enough

[sick peak]

Yeah. It might make inconsistencies in loads though I think

[dense violet]

Keep it to 2m?

[dense violet]

Shocking

[rustic rune]

what kind of inconsistencies you have in mind?

[wintry wharf]

nah we going straight vertical
we just needed more room for it to slow down

[dense violet]

You shouldn’t have been able to for one

Second whatever you did to build it that way probably broke things

Trains slow down immediately at a station

[sick peak]

Not fully loading/unloading (I had this issue when I tried, could just be a me issue) or just longer wait times for them to fully load and unload as it would be one train in the front to load, and then the other train waiting to load and it would repeat this cycle making it take longer

It might just be an overlook

[rustic rune]

oh that, yeah, I would have to keep an eye on locks like that

[sick peak]

Yeah, it’s important to consider the efficiency

[dense violet]

You’ll likely need multiple trains on the same route as 1200ppm will fill up a car very fast unless it stacks to 500

[sick peak]

So it’s probably you either do one really long train or split them up and have to maybe deal with lock ups to keep up with efficiency

[dense violet]

For example 100 stack items is 3200 parts in a car

Thats less than a 3 min return trip for 1 train

[torn lynx]

hey any way to get rid of the toxic gas areas

[dense violet]

So you’d need a 2nd train on the same root for more if the return time is longer

[manic topaz]

nobelisks

[crude holly]

I'm slowly getting the hang of it #screenshots message

[rustic rune]

it's already coming from 2 different stations, each will fill up all 4 cars by the train reaches it

[dense violet]

Gas masks

[dense violet]

Do you mean 1200 per car or just overall?

[feral jay]

You can blow them up eventually

[rustic rune]

overall, I tried to explain my scenario a little bit above

[dense violet]

Ah right then that would be 300 ppm per car, what does the item stack to, 100?

[rustic rune]

yes, its sulfur ore

[dense violet]

You’d have more than 10 minute return time doing it with one train. That should be enough for just about any path you set with 1 train

[rustic rune]

cool, then 1 train for each station, 4 cars each should be enough

[dense violet]

Are both stations loading 1200?

[rustic rune]

one station has 2400, the other 1200

[winter rapids]

What phase unlocks uranium power

Nuclear power?

Yk what im tryna say right ?

[golden nexus]

T8

[dense violet]

So the 2400 train would need a 5 min return trip to manage it with 1 loco

[winter rapids]

So I’m hella far from that got it

[golden nexus]

Phase 4 (2nd part). Why where are you?

[winter rapids]

Phase 2 I think

[rustic rune]

easy, that's the one I have running for a bit and it was always keeping my 2 belts at 1200 at destination

[golden nexus]

So your on coal power? no oil yet?

[winter rapids]

No I’m getting my main power station running so

[golden nexus]

You odn't have coal power yet?

[winter rapids]

I do but it sucks rn

[golden nexus]

yeah your are very very far away from nuclear

[winter rapids]

I need to overclock my coal miner

[winter rapids]

Damn it

[golden nexus]

Its also the worst logestically to do

[edgy nacelle]

luckily the game is easy to beat without nuclear

rocket fuel is plenty

[golden nexus]

yup

[winter rapids]

Bet

[golden nexus]

nuclear is really a "I want to do eveyrhting and do max builds after completing the game"

[winter rapids]

Got it

[wide sonnet]

so... i've had a driving... accident, and have lost a factory car or two off a cliff. they're still on my map/compass, can I fix that?

[jolly sierra]

Yes

Disassemble and reassemble

If they're not accessible you're out of luck

[manic pivot]

I MADE A WORKING 12 COAL GENERATOR SETUP!!! FINALLY OH MY GOD

my brain hurts so bad

but atleast I did it tho

[wide sonnet]

oh they're wayyyy down a pit of instant death

100% inaccessible, only my corpse will get close enough

[manic pivot]

only one choice bud

delete save and restart

[wide sonnet]

pfft

[manic pivot]

😈

[wide sonnet]

if it's that bad, more like just delete game.

[edgy nacelle]

you can turn off the icons in the map

if they bother you, just forget they're there

[sick peak]

I’m planning to do nuclear after my 184k rocket fuel side project, good idea or nah

[golden nexus]

do it once....

[sick peak]

It looks pretty fun

[golden nexus]

if you do it th efirst time, aim to do it with a single node first time 😉

[manic pivot]

This game truly has a foolproof way of making their players 13+ or 14+

because if ur under 13 and u can play this game I genuinely applaud you

[sick peak]

I was planning to do about a third or half, or is that too big of an endeavour you think?

Cause I know 2/3 of the whole power plant is just to get the waste to be sinkable

Or reuseable much later in the game

[edgy nacelle]

i feel like a fool for not understanding

[wide sonnet]

well, can't turn individual vehicles off, gotta turn them all off. that's a bug imo, vehicles lost to ether aren't destroyed

[manic pivot]

kids under 13 don't have the brain power to play tis

[crude holly]

2 coal > 1 water pump?

[edgy nacelle]

Ah, I see

I'm sorry to hear that

[golden nexus]

So.. a single 600/min uranium node (remember your mk3 miners @ 250%), So.. that gets you as much as 12? gens at 250% each doing 6,250? which is 75,000 MW using the poor yielding default recipie

[manic pivot]

gang what 😭

[ornate saffron]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[sick peak]

There’s an alt recipe right

[manic pivot]

u scare me

too much math

[sick peak]

How far into the game are you

[manic pivot]

too big numbers

[golden nexus]

Multiple... there is many ways to get the parts. Its a very deep supply chain, but wors.e you have to deal with the waste recycling....

[crude holly]

Holy crap thank you!

[regal helm]

I never have enough of anything

[manic pivot]

Im working on getting the basic steel production and just made 12 COAL GENERATOR setup after my 5 coal generators setup

[edgy nacelle]

the pursuit of satisfaction

[sick peak]

Yeah. I wanna be at around 4-500k MW. just as a personal goal

[golden nexus]

Rocketfuel alone gets your there

[sick peak]

But you might be right, starting small. I’m definitely using alt recipes though

[golden nexus]

Trick with nuke stuff is you sloop the rod makers and double your output

[manic pivot]

excuse me 500 FUCKING WHAT

[golden nexus]

Its no problem in gamr to take power up to 1,000,0000 MW or more

[sick peak]

Ah well I never really cared for rocket fuel. One of my biggest reasons getting into satisfactory was actually the nuclear power and endgame. So that’s my main objective

[manic pivot]

.... I hate this game

[golden nexus]

it will teach you the maths

[edgy nacelle]

nuclear is a nuisance, in the time it takes to build a functional plant you can finish all the phases in between

[golden nexus]

Do rocket fuel 😉

[sick peak]

The only reason I’m making 184k rocket fuel now is because my aluminium factory produces 2184 water that I didn’t know where to use, so I thought I might as well merge it into a rocket fuel factory so I can get some extra power to work with phase 4 parts easier since I plan to do big things

[golden nexus]

This is a small turbo fuel as well 🙂 #screenshots message

[sick peak]

@golden nexus do you mind looking at my aluminium/rocket fuel build model

[manic pivot]

fuck math

[sick peak]

Looks nice, I’m doing turbo fuel right now

[manic pivot]

SMALL?

[golden nexus]

The gens in that are 200% btw

[spare cradle]

Personally working on a turbo Gen myself

[golden nexus]

Yeah its a 300/min node of oil.

[spare cradle]

Oh lol my gen is somewhat bigger than that

[sick peak]

Or well, have done. I did about 980 turbo fuel a minute I think, and I’m getting like 27k power? It was my first time making a big project though and I really wanna perfect it

[spare cradle]

Doesn't have imported compact coal though

[spare cradle]

My current one is at 720 to 20k

[cyan leaf]

Why so much power 😭

[spare cradle]

"running" on a 1.2k coal gen for the time being

[golden nexus]

Late game has machines which are capable of using 26,000 each

[spare cradle]

Power then product yk?

[spare cradle]

Hueh.

[golden nexus]

QE

[spare cradle]

don't tell me

The future is hungry

[golden nexus]

overclocked/slooped

[spare cradle]

I got 32 fuel gens at 250%

[golden nexus]

I have a rocket fuel as well #screenshots message

[sick peak]

?

Can’t hecking forward it

[golden nexus]

When the load kicks in 😉 #screenshots message

[spare cradle]

I plan to turn my turbofuel gen into a rocket fuel gen since it is in the blue crater

[cyan leaf]

Wait how much fuel can be made with 300 oil per minute?

[torn lynx]

how do i unstuck the tractor?

[golden nexus]

I am at game complete, just need the nut, have not touched the desert yet 🙂

[golden nexus]

deconstrcut

[sick peak]

40-50k?

I think?

[golden nexus]

which way ?

[sick peak]

40-50k max investment I assume, like rocket fuel

[cyan leaf]

From oil to regular fuep

[sick peak]

Oh errrr

[golden nexus]

Its not a simple answer there like 4 ways... https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Fuel

[ornate saffron]

800/min

[sick peak]

I have no clue

[spare cradle]

Oh lol, I'll say that the desert isn't exactly appetizing to make factories at.

[golden nexus]

Cause what you do in the game is convert crude(300) -> HOR(400) -> Diluted Fuel(Blender) -> Fuel 800

[sick peak]

@ornate saffron how’s that making 250gw

[spare cradle]

The most efficient way to make fuel is the diluted alt recipes + heavy oil residue

[golden nexus]

250% gens probably

[ornate saffron]

qthe rocket fuel pic yes not the diluted oil fuel i shared for lazy

[spare cradle]

If you are below phase 3, there is a packaged version

[sick peak]

Ohhh alr

Cause I’m making like 3k rocket fuel a min and it’s only making some 184k

[cyan leaf]

Cause idk how many gens running that fuel before rocket (the compact coal one) with 300 oil permin

[ornate saffron]

240% thats 10 rocket fuel per minute for each generator

[spare cradle]

Just takes more machines than the blender

How much kw does the blender take?

[golden nexus]

75MW

[spare cradle]

Hmm

[sick peak]

If I don’t overclock my power plant, I will need to place 735 fuel gens

😭

[ornate saffron]

no the pics are nitro rocket fuel it uses 600 oil and a buinch of other resources to make 250gw

the screenshot of satisfactory tools is how much fuel you can make at the start of phase 3 with 300 oil

[golden nexus]

when your up at that level its just a minor overhead

[spare cradle]

The packaged fuel method is less power hungry

By a whole... 11MW

[golden nexus]

How many you need?

Cause 8 blenders puts out 800 fuel

[ornate saffron]

more importantly youi can do it at the start of phase 3 instead of waiting for phase 4 for blenders

[spare cradle]

Probably more machines required for the same amt

[golden nexus]

yeah its a trade off on how serious you were with coal early on

[spare cradle]

But that is saying I have it going to TFuel...

Which is about something. 1080 I think I have rn

It's def more power efficient on a larger scale for blenders

[ornate saffron]

this time i did a 32 coal generatoir build and a 300oil /min diluted packaged fuel factory. That will hold me until i get to nuclear

[golden nexus]

I ahve done small and big sets and also messed about with very strange setups, like switching from coal to pet coke

[golden nexus]

That was EA game a long time ago with pet coke + turbo fuel beside it #screenshots message

[spare cradle]

Is tempered material recipes any good?

[ornate saffron]

this will be my 8th credit roll if i stick with it. ive done much

[golden nexus]

Some of the multiplayer games I have done the initial coal plant was 48 gens

[ornate saffron]

ive never dsone multiplayer

[golden nexus]

what funny i they went down in 15 minutes or so

like this #screenshots message

[spare cradle]

I have currently a 12 coal gen to stay with, + a 8.6GWaH power bank for any need for startup

[golden nexus]

If you have 8 players you can alter methods eg you know mk3 belts and steel is coming befoe you finish the coal gen setup, so the people building it start by building it to mk3 / mk4 belts

[spare cradle]

I est that it will be enough to start up my built gen.

All I need to do now is to put a side that is to make the plastic from the HOR byproduct...

[quasi warren]

Ive never done tbf power plant before. What's the consumption rate in the generators?

[spare cradle]

Will tell ya in the gen itself

[ornate saffron]

do you have a fuel generator placed anywherE>?

[spare cradle]

With the lil i symbol

[golden nexus]

its like 7.5/min or something

[quasi warren]

Cant access satisfactory rn TwT just setting up spread sheets rn

[spare cradle]

For Tfuel

[golden nexus]

yup

[ornate saffron]

click on the fuel generator top righ hand corner of the check the wiki then ^_^

[spare cradle]

Regular fuel is something else

[quasi warren]

I forgot the wiki exists T-T

[torn lynx]

THE LOAD OPTION FOR THE TRUCK STOP ISNT WORKING

[spare cradle]

By how much slower does Rocket Fuel burn?

[spare cradle]

Will work when you record the path

[golden nexus]

its 4.1666667

[torn lynx]

IM RECORDIGN THE PATH, ITS HOOKED UP TO ENERGY, TI JSUT DID IT NBUT I FORGOT TO RECORD NOW LOADING DOESNT WORK

capslock, sorry

im very fluent in capslock

[golden nexus]

and then there is ionized which is 3/min

its rare for ionized ot be used

[ornate saffron]

no thats rocket fuel

turbo fuel is 7.5min at 100%

[wide sonnet]

looks like the answer to the question is "use save editor". ouch

[golden nexus]

which is why its in reponse to "what does rocket fuel burn at"

[manic pivot]

why I think il spend more hours in tis game more than rdr2 (story alone is 70+ hours and I've got about 200 hours in rdr2)

[ornate saffron]

derp

[spare cradle]

[ornate saffron]

turbo is 7.5/min at 100%

[spare cradle]

It's fine. TFuel burns at 18.75 at 250%

[golden nexus]

catch up 🙂 #satisfactory message

[spare cradle]

-# I hate motores

[ornate saffron]

i didnt see that one i saw the turbo fuel question lol

[ornate saffron]

will do

[ornate saffron]

they arent so bad...

[spare cradle]

They are cumbersome to make to the point I needed to dedicate an entire factory to them for my own use

[golden nexus]

steel rotor.....

[spare cradle]

Am using them

... Not? Not near oil

Am not sure , but I can say there are no screws

[peak wasp]

Looking at a spreadsheet of a factory I made a few days ago.
My math seems to be wrong at one point, but it's wrong is such a blatant way that I'm scared that it isn't wrong and that I'm just not reading it correctly

[ornate saffron]

ya i did that too. makes 10 rotors a minute for personal use, 10 stators for personal use and 10 motors/min for personal use

[ornate saffron]

i use satisfactory tools to check my math

[golden nexus]

This was a late game which really was hurting my brain... #screenshots message

[peak wasp]

I prefer to make my own spreadsheets

[spare cradle]

I make a factory for personal use and one that is used for the project parts/ other things

Thats why I am making power now

[ornate saffron]

i do to. I make my spreadsheets then when i am confident they are right i punch it into tools to double check

[golden nexus]

i don't bother with either

[spare cradle]

All the math stays in my mind temple

And paper

Oh I am using steel rotor through the iron pipes alt recipe

[golden nexus]

Ahh...

how many you trying to get?

and do you have mk6 belts?

[ornate saffron]

my body, a temple of shotty construction. Ime digging my grave while pouring a well.

I use all my brain power to function spreadsheets can math

[spare cradle]

I have it mathed at 11/min

For motors.

[golden nexus]

oh thats tiny number