satisfactory

[waxen harness]

i love playing this while having a youtube video in the background its so mind numbbing

[dire salmon]

i dont like grinding that much but i know the game is mostly about grinding so no build cost just means i dont have to grind as much

[soft marsh]

Guess I should start working on my actual factories now

[fickle locust]

I really don't think the game is about grinding

[waxen harness]

This game is really satisfactory

[fickle locust]

You automate production of things so you have those things in the future when you need them

[fluid crow]

machines do the grinding but you have to set them up

[fickle locust]

Grinding would be if you did almost everything with hand crafting

[dire salmon]

thats just a clicker game with extra steps

[fickle locust]

Right, I agree. I don't understand why you think the game is mostly about grinding since all-hand-craft isn't really what one does

[dense violet]

it's really not about grinding.
for example you can slap together the dirtiest sloppiest systems that will limp through phase 5 if you want.
the tiers are really just there to teach you how to manage things and design your own projects.

more like minecraft than anything

[fluid crow]

the point is to eliminate manual grindy tasks 🤷

or not if that's what you're into ig

[dire salmon]

damn its 23 40

do i sleep

[dense violet]

it's 1040, what are you talking about

middle of hte morning

[dire salmon]

im in britain

[dense violet]

still 1040 am 😛 it's morning

[dire salmon]

1140pm here

[fickle locust]

Good job discovering time zones

[dire salmon]

i know what time zones are im not 7

[dense violet]

xD

[dire salmon]

advanced game settings feels like having gamerules on in minecraft
some are alright like keep inventory
some are for if you just want to create stuff like disable mob griefing

[white dawn]

keeping inventory and disabling mob hostility are in the "normal" game settings, btw, not AGS

Can freely use those whenever without triggering the AGS flag

[dire salmon]

im talking about minrcraft

i know about satisfactory keep inventory

[dense violet]

excepted, as mentioned, the tutorial milestones you're semi handwaving are supposed to teach you how to manage things later

just depends if you care about that

[cyan leaf]

😭 phase 4 suckss

[midnight wagon]

I am trapped in it as well. What are you having issues with?

[cyan leaf]

To focus on upscaling 😭

[midnight wagon]

I see. I have just been focusing on doing the missions, honestly. I have self-contained factories only, so if I need to produce more of something, it means I need to tear the factory down D:

[regal helm]

I have this problem too but decided that my first factory is going to be reduced to one product

[midnight wagon]

I automated some other stuff first and was able to do the first three upgrade missions of Tier 4 without moving the from the HUB and only manually crafted those modular frame things, but I think this is the moment that the small factories will have to go bye bye

[regal helm]

But I want to slow down and make actual buildings instead of these sprawling floors with machines and no walls or roofs

[regal helm]

You can always do many small factories!

[cyan leaf]

Mwahaha i have made like nearly 2 large scale factories

[midnight wagon]

Ah yah, I know. I expressed myself poorly only. I meant that I will have to redo them. I will still try to keep them self-contained, though. It's just that I literally just unlocked MK3 conveyor belts and MK2 miners, so I am expecting a massive boost in production.

Wohooo blueprints unlocked! o7

[obsidian quail]

what is the meaning of the 'o7' sign off? been seeing it in other servers too.

[midnight wagon]

🫡

I was typing out the whole thing and then I saw the emoji lmao

[obsidian quail]

ahh, thank you much

[limpid iron]

lil head and salute arm

way to verbally salute

[fickle locust]

Man when you start sinking AI Expansion Servers they're worth a lot of points

[zealous urchin]

like what is the chance that next survival scavange game will have u stripping pc parts for pieces and selling them

[midnight wagon]

are the MK1 blueprint worth it? I just realised they take a lot of mats

[zealous urchin]

they are of course

but personaly i tend to wait for mk2 and hoverpack

[dense violet]

machine costs are essentially zero if you automate everything

if you're not automating everything you have very different problems

[midnight wagon]

The only thing I have no yet automated, but definitely will do next is the modular frames, they don't take that long to make, though

[dense violet]

you really want to automate them 😛 because then you'll need heavy modular frames

[midnight wagon]

Yah, I noticed I would need them when most stuff started asking for them. I have just been catching up with stuff today, though, so that's a thing for tomorrow

[pastel dawn]

I just stacked 6 blueprints in a 2x3x2 setup going to make something huge that uses 6-12 modules just don't know what.

[pastel dawn]

Check out blueprint auto connect

[zealous urchin]

biocoal

[pastel dawn]

I like where your heads at.

[midnight wagon]

Ah wait! I got this wrong.. I thought I'd need that insane amount of materials per blueprint, but apparently it's some form of facility that allows you to create them.

[white dawn]

They save you a lot of time in the end, if you make use of them

[pastel dawn]

Man I wish I could forget it all and learn again.

[white dawn]

Like think of the kinds of things you keep building repeatedly with every new factory

[pastel dawn]

Like watching a movie for first time again.

[white dawn]

Lines of Assembler manifolds and such

If nothing else you can set up your "basic" production-row blueprints and end up saving you a lot of time that way

Even just a 4x4 foundation-floor blueprint tends to be a lot quicker than vanilla zooping

[midnight wagon]

This is where my head is going right now, honestly. I would make a line of smelters and such

[pastel dawn]

Setup a single row save it

[white dawn]

Yeah, all pre-belted with power attached to all of 'em, etc

[pastel dawn]

Then use that blueprint to setup more rows

In a new blueprint - much quicker for large scale

[zealous urchin]

ALOT of time tbf
i made 120 mod frames per minut with just three blueprints of 10 smelters, 10 constructors and 8 assemblers in 2 hours

[pastel dawn]

You can use blueprints inside the blueprint maker

[midnight wagon]

I've got to tear everything down now so having a blueprint for them where I also have some standard design for all the factories doesn't sound half as bad

[white dawn]

Blueprints also remember all machine settings (recipe, clock speed, shards, sloops, input/output buffers, etc) and customizations, etc

[zealous urchin]

and the first thing you should automate is your footprint
blueprints help tremendously with those too

[cyan leaf]

How u never automated frames 😭 they are like a key component for like liquid and assemblers

[white dawn]

One point or order: you definitely do not have to tear anything down. It's admittedly quite common for players to want to tear down their early-game factories, and so long as you're having fun: go for it. But remember that it's a choice, not a necessity. Can always just leave those factories exactly as they are and not touch 'em again. Make new factories on new nodes instead, etc

[pastel dawn]

Also big note when you dismantle you can change mode to BLUEPRINT and dismantle the entire bp at ocne. This is one of the best reasons to use them imo.

[crisp crane]

Hey folks, are there any mods you’d recommend for an added challenge?

[pastel dawn]

Actually it does mean more pieces in the map cleaning them up improves performance

If you dont need anymore anyways

[white dawn]

I admit that even though I say that I do often end up dismantling my ad hoc Phase 1 factories eventually, but in general nowadays as soon as I've finished a factory it's done, and I never touch it again

[zealous urchin]

satisfactory plus

[white dawn]

Marginally, sure. But if you're still at the stage of the game where dismantling seems feasible, the performance hit is not gonna be huge. :)

[patent pagoda]

@ember stream Yes?

[white dawn]

If you're at the stage where dismantling factories will noticeably improve performance, you're probably gonna use a save editor to just mass-delete stuff 'cause doing it by hand would be hellish

[pastel dawn]

#nospaghetti #nolitter #doggoforprez

[white dawn]

Anyway, as I say: if you're gonna enjoy the process, definitely feel free to teardown + rebuild. Just beware burnout from that, and know that it's a choice, not a requirement. :)

[midnight wagon]

Well, it isn't really a matter of "never." I am quite new to the game, so "never" encompasses a rather short amount of time hehe I beelined my way to coal and once that was done yesterday, I stopped to create a small factory for rotors and reinforced iron plates whilst attempting to make my first logistics floor. Then I set up some basic steel processing logic and now I'm here haha I know I have to make modular frames, though

[pastel dawn]

All you did was explain why you should do it now and not wait til end game though lol

Dismantling with bp def gamechanger

[midnight wagon]

Haha definitely having fun, though, but it's become too unorganised and the chaotic nature of the basic layout is costing me some unused pure deposits that I could exploit now cause I unlocked better conveyers and miners. It's definitely been fun, though. Way too much perhaps haha

[midnight wagon]

Sold. hahaha

[pastel dawn]

Yeah being able to break down a plain section of interstate and replace it with pillar section, input section, train rail... really makes large scale builds a lot more fun.

[crisp crane]

Is there an easy way to load and unload mods? I’m considering buying the game again on steam for that hahah

[white dawn]

AFAIK the mod-manager app is quite easy to use

[void cliff]

On my new save, my first base is totally inefficient, had mark 1-2 miners, I go make a mark 3 miner on a pure node later in the game and it’s a factory making like 1500 ingots/min with pure recipes, lol. Keep the old crappy factory re-supplying the DD until you replace everything there ten fold

[white dawn]

Main thing to remember is that deleting the mod manager itself does nothing to disable mods. Have to make sure to actually disable the mods if you want 'em gone

[crisp crane]

I may try that. I want to play vanilla with my brother but then have a satisfactory plus game for myself

[undone citrus]

I made stop lights with Train signals for a road as decoration and I feel happy accomplished

[jaunty jewel]

can confirm, very easy to use / save mod(packs), disable/enable/find mods

[leaden turret]

-# insert joke about deleting system32 disabling windows (don't delete system32)

[fluid crow]

alt+f4

[real shale]

Make a macro that auto deletes system32 if you hit a random key combination that you don't know about, live life on the edge

[jaunty jewel]

alt tab trust

id be gone immediately

[hazy void]

rocket fuel is a gas right?

[undone citrus]

Huff it and find out

[stable cloak]

what is the average range people explore by the start of phase 4, you think?
#screenshots message I only visited the blue areas prior to my current excursion into the rest of the map and I don't know what other people do

[hazy void]

so helpful

[undone citrus]

For me the average range is like 90% of the map lol. Cause I get bored usually in phase 2-3 and go on an ADHD exploration extravaganza

[fluid crow]

my exploration was kinda limited but then I built trains to the opposite corners of the map

[jaunty jewel]

i usually have the whole map explored mid way through phase 3

(im addicted to overclocking)

[undone citrus]

I'm addicted to hardrive gambling

Gamba away

[jaunty jewel]

only biocoal coming your way

[undone citrus]

Yeah

[dense violet]

git gud and use biocoal for things

[fluid crow]

bio coal power plant on top

[jaunty jewel]

yes, like storing it in the mam so you dont roll it again

[stable cloak]

interesting

Another notable tidbit, I didn't unlock overclocking until the last stage of phase 3

[dense violet]

ammo factories. Come back from exploring and using ammo, feed meat into hte machiens

lack of creativity is not a negative for the recipe

[jaunty jewel]

no, feed remains into the sloop hell and make ticket

[undone citrus]

I try and unlock overclocking literally like phase 1 early phase 2

[dense violet]

you get tickets infinitely with items.

[stable cloak]

I had a bunch of crystals and no idea what to do with them, lol

[jaunty jewel]

ticket is more useful than ammo since ammo is basically free to automate anyways

[dense violet]

you can make all your ammo needs purely from SAM and meat

[stable cloak]

(made them by hand too)

[void cliff]

Any of you guys who play this game way too much use an MMO mouse? 12 mouse thumb buttons? 🙂

[dense violet]

tickets are basically free to automate 😛

[jaunty jewel]

yeah, they are

[dense violet]

that was a terrible argument xD

[jaunty jewel]

but id rather have more tickets than more ammo

[undone citrus]

When do we get the satisfactory and stardew crossover

[jaunty jewel]

just worded badly

[undone citrus]

I wanna grow plants and breed animals fr fr

[fluid crow]

I automated my ammo with factory carts

[dense violet]

your argument was also supporting mine.
It was ojbectively a bad argument

and you can then have all the ammo and equipment made on a SAM node. Nothing else

which you do generally want unless you're on a purely pacifist game

[stable cloak]

ojbectively

[jaunty jewel]

your argument fell apart from one typo my friend

no but seriously id still rather have more tickets than ammo

[dense violet]

ugh no wonder, you already had block notes. Not a surprise

mistake having unblocked

[jaunty jewel]

tickets = ammo, ammo = tickets
tickets = other parts, ammo != other parts

[jaunty jewel]

why are we being a manchild

come on man, you are clearly an adult and you are blocking someone because they didnt agree with you

[stable cloak]

How does one make ammo and equipment from SAM node?

[dense violet]

conversion recipes

[stable cloak]

conversion huh

[jaunty jewel]

i mean you dont have that until the last phase...

[stable cloak]

is that like the phase 5 building?

ah, so absolutely worthless

[fluid crow]

if you're in teir 9 and really need some coal

[dense violet]

it's honestly a really niche mechanic.
since SAM is generally nowhere near any other nodes or factories you want to build and it's generally just as easy to import the resource you want

but if you have pig meat as coal... just make all the things you need for your guns

[stable cloak]

guns?

I just bash things

[jaunty jewel]

by the time you reach phase 5 theres a solid chance you have nuke nobelisks unlocked/automated

[dense violet]

I mean if you're running a zero gun game sure, guns aren't useful for you 🙂 but lots of people do use them

[stable cloak]

what's a nobelisk

[jaunty jewel]

explosive made with black powder + pipes (sulfur tech tree)

[sharp jasper]

Is it better to build a huge factory for the phase 4 project assembly parts or build each part separately?

[stable cloak]

wait, are there guns?

[jaunty jewel]

depends on playstyle

[dense violet]

up to you 🙂

[fluid crow]

remote detonated pipe bomb

[dense violet]

that's why we've been talking about ammo and guns, yes

[jaunty jewel]

i mean there is rebar gun and rifle but thatsi t

nuke nobelisk is the most effective way to remove the complication of fauna

[stable cloak]

I thought those were mods you were talking about, tbh

especially with the phase 5 recipe building mentioned

[dense violet]

you can also make uranium rods from SAM and MEAT.

[stable cloak]

meat?

[jaunty jewel]

okay but why would you need to do that when you are in phase 5

[stable cloak]

like, remains

[sharp jasper]

I have most items for the parts already automated but the logistics of getting them where they need to be is a nightmare especially since I havent set up a train yet and it seems incredibly difficult to do

[stable cloak]

I turned my remains into protein in a chest somewhere

[jaunty jewel]

im sorry but this argument is just stupid, by phase 5 if you dont already have power sorted you are going to struggle heavily to use converters/other to automate ufr

[jaunty jewel]

you could also use drones for crossmap, low throughput logistics

[dense violet]

yeah basically everythign the critters drop

[jaunty jewel]

you can ship multiple drones from multiple places to one central drone port too and build it all there

[sharp jasper]

@jaunty jewel True I haven't looked into drones yet.

They can use other fuel besides batteries right?

[jaunty jewel]

yes

it does have to be packaged but that shouldnt be a problem

[sharp jasper]

I already have both packaged fuel and packaged rocket fuel automated so shouldnt be too bad. I guess I know what I'm doing after work tomorrow

[versed mesa]

Hi all

I think am missing playing the game

😭

When i return i mite do a fresh start play through

I still never got to complete phase 5 yet lol

😢

[fluid crow]

prison?

[void cliff]

I’ll just use turbofuel or whatever available. Screw making batteries.

[versed mesa]

Yeah in my flat 😂

[oak nymph]

I've almost finished my uranium fuel rode factory and I wonder if I should sloop a fully overclock manufacturer to make more rode ( normally I would make 7.2 rode/ min and if sloop 8.2 rode/min) what's y'all thought?

[versed mesa]

@fluid crow I stopped because I cane to a point where am I going with things it got abit over whelming I felt some hiw I need to do better I never got to setting up Auto mating either lol

[void cliff]

Can beat the game just using the dimensional depot to transfer stuff, ez mode

[versed mesa]

That thing is game changer for when you need alot of resources to build

[void cliff]

My last save I basically half assed my way through both phase 4 and 5, just set up alclad casings factory an was transferring everything through the DD manually, lol

Don’t even make crystal oscillators without transferring the crystals through the DD

[versed mesa]

I believe that there multiple ways to go about things in the game specially with your factories and then transferring things from 1 to the other

When do we think the update will drop ?

I mite return when update drops

[void cliff]

I don’t think it’s on experimental yet so probably at least 2-3 months away

[white dawn]

Yeah, they haven't even started up a hype cycle for it

[versed mesa]

Crazy

[hallow flicker]

Yeah, they don’t even care that multiplayer is broken since 1.1. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void cliff]

Works for me 🤷‍♂️

[white dawn]

(I suppose technically they did, by dropping that Fluid Truck video awhile ago, but I don't think that counts in terms of hype cycles. :)

[hallow flicker]

Late game is plagued with crashes

[versed mesa]

1 thing we do know is they adding liquid trucks

[void cliff]

Liquid trucks… I guess it makes sense as trucks are good for short-distance transport

Especially when you can use them instead of pumps for head lift 😈

[barren tulip]

great idea

[white dawn]

Bonus points for the first person to set up a truck route to take fluids up from Floor 1 to Floor 2 on a factory instead of just putting in a pump. :D

[barren tulip]

won't be me that's for sure

[hallow flicker]

With a factory cart

[versed mesa]

There will be alot of fluid truck on the go lmao

[barren tulip]

extra extra points if you use a jump pad to go between floors instead of ramps

[void cliff]

If only factory carts had a smaller factory cart station instead of the gigantic truck station.

[hallow flicker]

Yes… I’d use that

[white dawn]

mmmm, honestly now I want to make a tower factory where all inter-floor resource movement is done via vehicles moving along ramped rings along the "outside" of the factory

No lifts, no vertical pipes, no ramped belts (excepting those required to make clean manifolds, of course)

[void cliff]

It’s totally doable and I kinda wanna do it but it seems like such a pain lol

[white dawn]

If a resource is goin' to a different floor, it's goin' on a vehicle

[waxen harness]

After spending 10 hours in this game and gettin to stage 3 , I wanted to say I love it

I spent so much time perfecting my base to the most optimal thing and its so fun

[hallow flicker]

Might as well set up train stations on every floor with a giant spiral track around the building.

[waxen harness]

10/10 game

[void cliff]

My next save I’m not using belts over the terrain at all. Conveyors straight up from the miner to the factory or a truck from the miner to the factory

[versed mesa]

Then all well need is huge liquid storage so then the trucks will drop the liquids into it

[white dawn]

That's honestly more or less how I play. I don't like seeing long belts out there; if it's longer than like 200-300m I'm often looking for a different way to logistic 'em

[hallow flicker]

Thank you for your double honesty

[white dawn]

lol, yeah, noticed that after hitting enter. :D

[void cliff]

They honestly look pretty bad no matter what you do. Curved or stacked… maybe there’s a way to do it nicely with blueprints

[white dawn]

-# You can't expect me to remember the beginning of my sentence by the time I'm at the end, can you? Sheesh.

[hallow flicker]

Hurray for more honesty

[crisp crane]

What if I wanted to just make it take longer to beat the game? Increase resource costs for all items? Would this do that? https://ficsit.app/mod/DifficultyTuner

[void cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-shoes-throws-a-shoe-honestly-who-does-that-gif-5557422

[dense violet]

I mean you could jsut decide all the milestones cost 4x as much and sink extra parts when you unlock it

[barren tulip]

i honestly enjoy stacked belts, they just look nice to me idk why

especially if the stack is also wide like 3x3

[crisp crane]

I mean all parts would be good

[void cliff]

Kinda like trains if you don’t use curved and shallow angled ramps, everything looks like janky S curves

[dense violet]

you could also just decide to make 10x the final output for essentially teh same thing

[hallow flicker]

This would require so much honesty

[cyan leaf]

Who summoned me?

[dense violet]

that's what they are wanting to do

[stuck matrix]

man these aliens who keep bugging into my comms are annoying as shit

"We are apart of a sea of effigies which you are also apa-" man shut up im gonna colonize and process your entire planet into iron plates

[cyan leaf]

Ohhhhhhhhhh

[stuck matrix]

Anyways hru guys doing today?

[silent goblet]

Is Turbo Blend Fuel better than normal turbo fuel recipe

[hallow flicker]

The effigy desires another loop. Consume.

[swift turret]

Not really

[dense violet]

define better

[silent goblet]

Umm

[swift turret]

Use diluted packaged fuel if you wanna use less crude oil

[dense violet]

that's the main issue of trying to figure out 'best' between things

you need to be very specific about what you want 🙂

[dense violet]

Blend uses more oil, but cuts out coal in exchange so simplifies the number of resources you need for it

[hallow flicker]

Better = more fun

[dense violet]

define 'more fun'

[hallow flicker]

More fun = better

[silent goblet]

I just did phase 3 and wanna get turbo fuel. I’m at the cords 1641 2093 if that helps

[swift turret]

Not to mention if you aren't in phase 4 its impossible to use since you dont have blendera

[dense violet]

personally I enjoy blend because the process of splitting oil into like 3 parts and recombining them is very satisfying

[dense violet]

yeah that's not winning you any points

[silent goblet]

Im just going to do the basic recipe so I can get it now

[hallow flicker]

More points != more fun

[dense violet]

if you want 🙂 personally I also tend to avoid turbo fuel. Diluted fuel is tons of power and very easy

[swift turret]

You could also do the infamous 50k MW with diluted package fuel

Its insaley complicated but if you do it you'll have power for a long time

[silent goblet]

Umm I good then

[dense violet]

diluted packaged fuel is very simple. I have no idea what they are talking about

[silent goblet]

I need turbo anyway bc my jet pack sucks soooo…

[swift turret]

Use bio fuel

[dense violet]

try liquid bio fuel 🙂 it's VERY solid for jet packs and easy to make

[silent goblet]

Ok is it better or worse then the auto fuels bc you can’t automate it which I HATE

[white dawn]

Honestly IMO both Liquid Biofuel and Turbofuel have great uses in the jetpack. My usual recommendation is to just always keep around a stack of both, and swap 'em around as the situation warrants

[dense violet]

It works VERY differently to Turbo in jet packs.
But it's also very easy to make, just dump animal goop into your factory for it when you get back home

[swift turret]

Bio is easy to automate just put whatever enemies you just fought in the refineries and you got a lot of bio

[dense violet]

you could even sloop some of hte process

[white dawn]

LBF is the undisputed king of long-range gliding for horizontal distance, and it's got a really great overall vertical height climb as well. But Turbofuel is much faster for vertical ascents, and I've found that in 80% of cases, Turbofuel's more than sufficient for me for the horizontal gliding I want to do too

[silent goblet]

Ok thx

[dense violet]

imo though jet pack really isn't meant for height anyway

[white dawn]

Yeah, for sure

[dense violet]

even rocket and ionised is... fine for it. Better to just build up though in general

[primal crypt]

what do you guys listen to when playing satifactory

[white dawn]

Whatever's next on my media player. :)

[swift turret]

The screams of the damned

[fluid crow]

tapes

[swift turret]

Or hello kitty island adventure whatever works

[hallow flicker]

Project Audistry by OrbitOST on Spotify

[barren tulip]

my friend yapping about things

or save and load

[hallow flicker]

Setting up a small factory to automate processing the leaves, wood, and alien parts that you end up collecting while exploring to turn it in the liquid biofuel counts as automation.

I’ve never even come close to running low on the glorious green Taco Bell fuel.

You can even make a side stream to keep yourself stacked on solid biofuel for the chainsaw.

[fluid crow]

I made enough LBF probably enough to last forever in a short time

[crude canyon]

Ok today I played the skyblock mod and found something new

Namely: that instead of starting at the node, I should start at the end

And then it's the nodes job to go supply it

[ivory condor]

not familiar with that mod

but of course I havent played this game in a while, taking a long break and seeing what the future holds, such as future updates and maybe dlcs-that would be nice to have expansion content of some type

[crude canyon]

No world, only a slab in the sky

[ivory condor]

would be really curious if a dlc was made for this game what it would be personally

[crude canyon]

We get dlc every update

[barren tulip]

a slab with resource nodes?

[crude canyon]

You put the resource nodes where you want

Like they're machines

[ivory condor]

lol true, well maybe we can call what we get now as micro-dlcs and the future will be real dlc content, aka content that really expands the game in a meaningful way

like continued story, another map perhpas, etc

[crude canyon]

Maybe a new planet

[barren tulip]

strange

[ivory condor]

yeah that could work and the new planet would continue the story to, that would be interesting

[barren tulip]

inter planetary logistics would be interesting, maybe space factories

[ivory condor]

Satisfactory: Space Age

[crude canyon]

Yeah it's not like the biomes are doing much in this game

[ivory condor]

now that dlc content i could get behind

[ivory condor]

well each biome does slightly change the beginning of the game but later on it doesnt really matter as the entire map is connected anyways

meaning in the long term it doesnt really matter what biome you start in even

[fluid crow]

they need some type of space platform

[dense violet]

if only there was some sort of... elevator... that existed out... in space...

[fluid crow]

I want to ride the space elevator

[dense violet]

do it

[fluid crow]

what if they made a big mechanical spider that you could make look like a 2d cat

[mystic crag]

What is better for energy generation, nuclear or fuel?

[dense violet]

define 'better'

one of the main issues people just ask for 'best' in things and 'best' doesn't really exist unless you're specific

[mystic crag]

I need like atleast 250,000 MW

[dense violet]

You could do that with nuclear pretty easily and have few generators

you need a massive ass ton of fuel gens to accomlish teh same

[fluid crow]

only 1000

[dense violet]

You could use some of hte more uranium efficient recipes to hit 250GW and keep the set up pretty simple

[dense violet]

a massive assload yes

could do the same with 100 nuclear gens

[undone citrus]

I have made a grave error

[dense violet]

also uranium basically isn't used for anything other than power, though you need a few other resources added to it

[undone citrus]

My mass storage system doesn't have enough clearance and I've made a bunch of builds on that side 🫠

And thus the save "before regrets" was born. Cause if I can't fix this nicely I can go back at least 😭

[dense violet]

clearance for what?

[undone citrus]

To actually use and redirect those resources later to actually builds

[dense violet]

gotta clip I guess

[undone citrus]

Cause I'm just storing massive amounts of iron and copper ingota gotta right now

[undone citrus]

Not possible.

[primal crypt]

I have a friend who powered his entire truck fleet with bio fuel. its quite substainl given how many times the outputs can be slooped

[undone citrus]

My dismantle crate is never disappearing lmao

Filled with 100k+ iron ingots and another 40k+ Concrete and Copper ingots

[fluid crow]

I'm not sure if keeping 100k+ ingots around is healthy

[undone ether]

finally fixed my save used SCIM

caterium bugged out and showed as -999

[undone citrus]

It was just sitting in my storage unit, it stored 115k at max capacity while overflow was disposed of. Needed a bulky storage unit to support 4500/min

But since I messed up and only realized 40 hours later I now have to delete the storage and redesign

So it gets banished to the shadow realm

[swift turret]

@undone ether #screenshots message You cant put organic material in there

[undone ether]

thanks

[zealous urchin]

im doing 1k sit ups daily
source: trust me

[simple stream]

Does anyone have a good smart plate blueprint for early game

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=rDaRbDDb8FlZs1cMcpSb

[soft marsh]

#screenshots message Instead of working on computers/supercomputers - I spent the last six hours building this

[hardy wigeon]

I like it!!

im decorating right now myself

[soft marsh]

Nice! It's a huge time sink

Now I just need to put one of these at all my FOBs buuuut that's a project for another day lol

[hardy wigeon]

most of my factories are open air crap lol

we need some kind of wall piece for smokestacks going through roofs. i wanna put my oil things inside but it looks stupid because of the smoke

[barren tulip]

i don't know what that is but it looks cool

[soft marsh]

Mine are all open air for the most part as well. I have modules that I stack ontop of each other as I need them

So I figured I should have at least one building at each location that's like a normal facility lol

[barren tulip]

mhm

[coral marsh]

How yall feel about fueling 1440 fuel gens with rocket fuel

[barren tulip]

where can you comfortably fit 1440 fuel gens

[coral marsh]

Blue crater

I make floating platforms

Im gonna have to make it a 3D layout for the fuel gens

May also have to put the refineries above the train stations on the base too

[soft marsh]

Do it. I got bored at about 200 gens and roughly 67k power.

[coral marsh]

Itll make me 360 staggering Gw

An actual shit ton of power lol

[soft marsh]

Heck yeah. I decided I can stamp out some more if I need to but I plan to build a small nuclear plant somewhere

[coral marsh]

I actually accidentally placed down 16 blenders so it ended up doubling the amount of gens I can supply, my original plan was 720 but now its 1440 lol

Blenders have got to be my 2nd fave machine

[simple stream]

how do i get 3.8 smelters

[dense violet]

3.8 smelters is 380% clocking split however you like

unlock clocking in the MAM

or just build 4 smelters at 100% and they'll still work

[simple stream]

so 3 smelters at 100% and 1 at 80?

[dense violet]

sure

or any combo really. Infinite options, but that's prob the simplest

[drowsy kelp]

You could power 77% of the US

[cyan leaf]

Lol what about the last 23?

[drowsy kelp]

Power storages

[coral marsh]

Hang on, how much of new zealand could I power

[drowsy kelp]

Mountains and mountains of power storages

[drowsy kelp]

74 new zealands

[coral marsh]

Funny thing is, its intend to build 20Twhr's of power storage as my ultimate endgame goal

[coral marsh]

Fk yea

[drowsy kelp]

20TWh is… a lot

[coral marsh]

Itll be around 200 thousand power storage units

[drowsy kelp]

That’s enough to run a new zealand for half a year

Or a united states for two days

[coral marsh]

But, if i use a specific mod, I can reduce the number down to 40 thousand

[coral marsh]

How long could i run, idk, Italy? For

[drowsy kelp]

It’ll take you two and a half days to charge all those

[drowsy kelp]

24 days

[coral marsh]

Less actually, im using the mod that makes nuclear reactors generate 25Gw instead of 2.5Gw, so ill actually be producing almost 7 Tw

[coral marsh]

Almost a full February is insane lol

[void cliff]

I overclock fuel gens to 240% with rocket fuel so they use exactly 10 rocket fuel

[drowsy kelp]

1522 new zealands

1 new zealand is 4.601GW btw

[pastel dawn]

Ive started including them in my builds, they are hidden all over in walls and columns. My buildings themselves store power.

[drowsy kelp]

How long could each building run on its own

[pastel dawn]

It gives me anxiety that I can't answer that.

[drowsy kelp]

1 italy is 34.6GW

1 US is 437.5GW

[pastel dawn]

One sec I need my FICSIT approved notepad

[coral marsh]

How long could I power the world on 20Twhr

[drowsy kelp]

1 china is 510GW

[cyan leaf]

I feel like a solid few decades 😭

[pastel dawn]

DAILY? dayum

[drowsy kelp]

9 and a half hours

[coral marsh]

Okay thats actually way more than I thought

Almost half a day is nuts

[cyan leaf]

True like interesting

[drowsy kelp]

1 world is 2.108TW btw

[drowsy kelp]

Power, aka watts, doesn’t care about time

So yes?

Power is energy over time, a watt is a joule per second

[coral marsh]

Power math's is so fun

[drowsy kelp]

The difference between a watt and a watt-hour is also very important

A watt is power, a watt-hour is energy

You can store energy but not power

[coral marsh]

Yee

[drowsy kelp]

Storing power is just as impossible as storing time itself

[drowsy kelp]

Wolfram is great

Does the 10% boost power augmenters have also apply to other augmenters on the same grid

[coral marsh]

It stacks on the grid not each augmenter

It adds 10% of the total power production you're making but with the addition of thr alien power matrix, it jumps to 30% each

[drowsy kelp]

Like would two augmenters on an isolated grid be 1GW or 1.2GW or something

[coral marsh]

2 augmenters on a 1Gw grid will make 20% of the 1Gw and add it to the final value

10Gw with 20% extra power would make 12Gw

[drowsy kelp]

Now for a less real question, if the augmenter generates power by zapping the somersloop to get more energy out than what went in where does the initial thing of energy come from

[coral marsh]

The grid

And the sloops

[short fiber]

Yall were not lying about the northern forest. This place is the sh

[dense violet]

it's a duping mechanic. don't question it

[drowsy kelp]

I mean the most i’ve ever done there is zipline across power towers someone else placed and i still hate it there

[coral marsh]

Its great isnt it

[drowsy kelp]

Stingers suck so any place they can be found also suck

[drowsy kelp]

An isolated power pole counts as a grid to start making half a gigawatt out of nothing

[coral marsh]

Oh it produces 500Mw on its own

I did forget that bit

[short fiber]

Like omg, the vibe first of all is emaculate. The the resources are plentiful. I spawned near multiple pure iron nodes

Only thing is that I haven't seen a Mr.bean in a while so it worrying

[drowsy kelp]

Depending on how much power it needs to start maybe it could jump-start off the tiiiiny little amount of power it picks up from an antenna or something

[coral marsh]

Take a look at the dune desert

[coral marsh]

Start building, they'll start spawning

[short fiber]

True

[drowsy kelp]

I like the beans

The first one i encountered wouldn’t stop sneezing fsr

[coral marsh]

Possible, perhaps the FicSit company has take a page out of Nikola Tesla's book and used wireless electrical transmission tech that works over satellites and extreme distances (would be insanely cool if true)

[drowsy kelp]

Beetles, whatever they’re called

[coral marsh]

The giant ticks? Theyre fun

[drowsy kelp]

No

[coral marsh]

They're also bouncy

[drowsy kelp]

They’re smaller and blue

[coral marsh]

Oh those, yea they're cool too

[drowsy kelp]

I mean if project assembly can do…… its things they can probably get a few watts down from orbit

[short fiber]

I wish i could tame birbs and have a use for them

[drowsy kelp]

Which birds

[short fiber]

Like a Canary in a cage

[drowsy kelp]

For poison gas?

[short fiber]

The ones that photosynthise

[short fiber]

Yep, like maybe we could harness it the gas for something i between coal and oil power

[clear mesa]

#screenshots message

Can someone explain this..

[drowsy kelp]

The conveyor to nothing or the funky stretched texture

[clear mesa]

The way it closes off like that at the end lmfao

I'm aware it's most likely a texture glitch

Just never seen it happen...and if I'm able to replicate it I feel like I can utilise it aesthetically

[drowsy kelp]

Uhhhhh things look really funky when building blueprints and things before it finishes and everything snaps back to smooth, maybe it’s related?

[clear mesa]

No clue might have to literally ask the poster himself

Cause I've never seen this happen before

[coral marsh]

Just for the fun of it, I want a new generator added to the game that siphons dark matter from the universe and uses it to produce 12.5Tw's, it cant be overclocked, but it can be slooped to double power outout for 4x the consumption of dark matter

[clear mesa]

I can't imagine using 2TW let alone 12.5

[coral marsh]

Trade off would be, the machine is insanely fkin expensive and absolutely gargantuan in size

[drowsy kelp]

How big

Bigger than the space elevator anchor?

It’s… 7x7 foundations i think?

[clear mesa]

I get that, but again, if you utilised all the uranium around the map you'd get somewhere around 1.5TW

[coral marsh]

Like, resource cost wise im thinking 200 neural quantum links, 3 thousand Ficsit ingots, 750 super computers, 4 thousand fluctuated SAM.
Total foot print would be, 100mx100mx250m

[drowsy kelp]

12.5 foundations… that’s big

[versed cosmos]

man i just want a mk2 fuel generator so i dont have to place as many

also coal liquefaction would be cool

[drowsy kelp]

Power crystals

[clear mesa]

This I can get behind

MK2 water pump and MK3 pipes!!!

[drowsy kelp]

Uh

[versed cosmos]

tbh i think mk2 pipes are fine

[coral marsh]

Yup

[drowsy kelp]

I hope you know mk2 pumps exist already

[clear mesa]

What?

[drowsy kelp]

Wdym what

[versed cosmos]

i think they mean extractors

[clear mesa]

Water extractors mb

Yeah hahahaha sorry still early

[drowsy kelp]

Again, power crystals

Mk3 pipes just sound unnecessary

[versed cosmos]

omg bro i didnt know about overclocking!!!

[clear mesa]

Not cost efficient until you start producing them :/

[versed cosmos]

we know dude we want both

[drowsy kelp]

What would they be made from anyway, HMFs instead of plastic?

[void cliff]

I’d be down for some higher tier machines.
people going crazy with clipping them together should be a sign that it’s needed.

[versed cosmos]

aluminium for mk3 pipes sounds fair

[clear mesa]

Oh god hmmm

[coral marsh]

I'd make it fused modular frames

[clear mesa]

Yeah I think so too

Maybe make it casings so it doesn't interfere with Mk5 belts

[coral marsh]

I agree but id still put fused modular frames in the recipe

[drowsy kelp]

Alclad aluminum and copper sheets

[clear mesa]

This makes 0 sense and I thought it was a joke originally

[coral marsh]

I hardly ever joke

[clear mesa]

They're MK3 pipes not satans spawn

[versed cosmos]

if we're putting frames in the recipe lets make the pipes square

[drowsy kelp]

FMFs sound… very overbuilt for a tube you’ll be making miles of

[versed cosmos]

yeah it needs to be something easily mass producable

[coral marsh]

If mk2 pumps have 2.5x the headlift, would a mk3 pumps have 2.5x the headlift of mk2 pumps? So 125m of headlift?

[versed cosmos]

oh god no

[clear mesa]

They'd better ignore headlift altogether for that recipe

[drowsy kelp]

I’d say 150m for the rounder number

[coral marsh]

My point was making it expensive and not so easily available

[versed cosmos]

we do not need mk3 pumps

[clear mesa]

Yeah but then again it might be a pain with the flow rate of MK2 for verticals, not sure

[drowsy kelp]

Expensive is a bit of an understatement

[clear mesa]

Full MK2 pipes can already be a hassle with sloshing

[coral marsh]

Not in my eyes, they arent that hard to make

[drowsy kelp]

What’s the final result per machine, 1.875/m?

[clear mesa]

Which?

[drowsy kelp]

FMFs

[void cliff]

Everything is easily attainable in the game though. You don’t even need that many FMF’s to be able to make more than you can ever use in the game. Just boop - hook it up to storage and the DD and you have more than you need for any pipes or pumps or whatever

[coral marsh]

Yup

[coral marsh]

Shard the blender, make 3 per minute they really arent thay hard to make man, the limiting factor is that you need to be near a nitrogen node

[clear mesa]

For something like MK3 it depends when they'd make them available I suppose

[coral marsh]

HMF would be fair as well thought

[drowsy kelp]

Tier 12, fill the rest of the tiers between 9 and 12 with bigger blueprint designers

[coral marsh]

Mk4 being 56x56x56 and mk5 being 62x62x62?

[clear mesa]

Honestly I wouldn't be fully opposed to a modular blueprint designer to fully cull out the issue once and for all

[void cliff]

Nah it doesn’t matter. Even the rarest stuff in the game as a building material is easily reduced just by splitting it. I.e. what you do when you first unlock MK6 belts. You just do a short run from the miner to the splitter and then run lower tier belts if you don’t have enough materials

[clear mesa]

🤷‍♂️

[coral marsh]

The only actually hard to obtain items in the game is everything in tier 9 that needs a converter, quantum encoder and a particle accelerator, like the super position oscillator or the AI expansion server

[clear mesa]

There's still game design to consider

[coral marsh]

The only useless item is the thermal propulsion jet

[drowsy kelp]

Shred it

[coral marsh]

The most expensive item is the ballistic warp drive

[void cliff]

MK6 belts using time crystals is interesting but it’s still never really that limiting once you set up a minor amount of production. I’ve never ran out since I got a single industrial container of them because I don’t use insanely long belts

[coral marsh]

I'd also put the ACU in the top 10 honestly

[coral marsh]

I spent 3 hours after I unlocked mk6 belts, setting up automated time crystals and ficsit trigons, I use them for everything

[short fiber]

So i did not know there was an achievement for shorting a fuse. It just happened for the first time. Fixed but I swear I thought it happened before

Or maybe it was a video I was watching and I was too carful before this

[drowsy kelp]

I gave up trying to make a factory for those so used the power of belt clipping spaghetti, power crystals, and sloops to make them fast

[coral marsh]

Theres a fantastic place to automate time crystals in the dune desert area, there's 4 coal nodes and one is pure, setup 2 accelerators, 2 converters, an industrial storage and hook that up to a DD anf you're good

[coral marsh]

I personally, hate the ACU

[void cliff]

I think I just set up a single pure node of quartz making crystals and then the pink diamonds alt using it all up and have never looked back

[drowsy kelp]

The thing took 1.3GW iirc

A stinger scared me away from doing something with quartz the last time i tried

The node’s just sitting there untouched

[void cliff]

I set mine up near the grassy fields, somewhere between the grass fields and blue crater, I can’t remember. But it has 4 coal nodes similarly. Quartz isn’t far away either

[coral marsh]

Nah thats a good spot too

I only built mine in the area I did because I already had power going to there and being generated there

[modest kernel]

Can someone help me with trains?

[void cliff]

That spot also has impure Sam (not the best) and normal caterium. I just sloop up the SAM and it does all right for ficsit ingots

[void cliff]

Checkout YouTube for some train guides to understand the basics, then you really just gotta go for it trial and error until you learn it

[zinc pelican]

is there a easy way to get rid of path nodes after deleting the path?

[sterile blade]

They can try, if you actually explain your issue ^^
#dont-ask-to-ask-just-ask

[void cliff]

Hehe. “Help me with trains” could mean please join my game and build my trains!!!

[barren tulip]

the best kind of help

[sterile blade]

Which some people are actually willing to do... if they're actually asked to

[sterile blade]

What we need are better Programmable Splitters...
Justice for sushi!

[cyan leaf]

How do I make 2 trains running the same railway with em crashing?

Without-

[sterile blade]

Train signals~

[cyan leaf]

Idk how to really use em 😭

[sterile blade]

Have you tried them yet? Read their descriptions? ^^

[cyan leaf]

Yes and it doesnt make sense 😭

[sterile blade]

Creating a small test track to play with them can be enough to understand them fully, depending on how intuitive you find them (or don't)

[sterile blade]

Which part is confusing you?

[cyan leaf]

Like where do I place em and if i need to add more tracks to make it more consistent cause I want both trains to drop off at 1 specific point

[dense violet]

the simplest method is to have 2 lanes.
it dramatically reduces how much you can move on the line by having only 1 lane

[sterile blade]

Tbh, that sounds like something you could answer easily and accurately by simply doing in game what you described...
Ie: make a testing track, add signals to see where you can and cannot place them, see how you can add intersections and such...

[lunar python]

✨ creative world ✨

[tired horizon]

Hello there, I already tried searching online but I didnt manage to find anything useful. I just completed phase 2 of the space elevator, but contrary to what the AI assistant, I do seem to be incompetent. Which factories/building ratios should I have? Since ill need to rebuild everything (I had 5 smart platings/min and 3 versatile frameworks/min, and all basic copper and iron stuff (wire, cable, plates, rods, screws, sheets of copp.) for personal consumption) what should I have the factories produce now, Im just after the ratios of the components/base value that I can modify, e.g. 20 reinf iron plate, 20 steel beams, 10 encased. Simply put how much of each "tier 2" component should I produce (the things you make from ingots or the thing after that, so screws, steel (enc.) beams, rods, reinf plates, rotors etc.) ?

[dense violet]

you don't have to rebuild anything.
The milestones are where you learn the basics and there is no single amount you need to build or ratio

[tired horizon]

Im in the 4th area aka dune desert btw

[dense violet]

this is partially because there's many recipes and no single path to production

[sterile blade]

Why are you already set on deleting your old factories? ^^

[dense violet]

Focus on building new factories, connect things up as needed, and learn how to manage things.

[tired horizon]

I want to free up miners since my temu HQ makes 3 rotors/min and 5 reinf plates/min and 1-2 modular frames/min, and I would like to make it more efficient

[dense violet]

there's more nodes on the map than you can realistically use, and the game forces you to spread out

so go make new factories in places 🙂

[cyan leaf]

With using signals i dont have to deal with delays for trains?

[dense violet]

if you only have 1 lane you will. They'll have to wait for their turn to use the path

[sterile blade]

You're not gonna stop needing to make most of those items though... Eg: you'll always need some Reinforced Plates to build things

Are you sure you'd rather redo the whole production rather than just expanding on it (eg: making more Reinforced Plates whenever you actually need, like when a new component requires more of them to be built)?

[cyan leaf]

Alr alr i assume easiest way to know how much delay is by timing how long it takes to finish a loop?

[dense violet]

well. Ish. You'd want to run all the train on the single line and see

with 2 lanes you just basically have to run the one train and see

[dense violet]

and remember , every extra train you put on it will dramatically increase the trip time

[sterile blade]

If you want to account for train traffic to calculate your round-trip time of each train, you'd first need to have all trains running... Anytime you add one, the traffic changes and so do the affected round-trip times

[tired horizon]

I know im gonna need that, i still want to make reinf plates, i just want to know how many of them ill need in the future (phases 3-4 of space elev.) So i can rebuild my current factory to match those standards.

[dense violet]

don't try to future proof. It doesn't work. No one can tell you how much you'll need.

as previously mentioned, there are many different recipe paths so you can in some isntances, comletely cut out some items

[tired horizon]

And i wanted to ask for the same thing about all other components, basically i wanna know how big my fac. should be

[dense violet]

same answer

[short fiber]

I got cast screws and iron wire back to back. I'm goated

[dense violet]

this is not a solved game with one path

and the milestones are basically a tutorial. Just learn as you go

it's much more minecraft than factorio

[tired horizon]

What about just for phase 3? So basically present-proofing xd

[sterile blade]

There is no such "hard number" aviable. I say that (overall) 1 machine's worth can be enough for your personal use. Anything more should just depend on other factory needs and those are dictated by your own patience toward milestones (ie: "how many items/min are enough for me to finish this milestone in a Satisfactory way? Is that more than I have the patience to build...?"

[dense violet]

again no answer - you could make 0.1 part per min of everything and it'll just take a while

[tired horizon]

Im starting to notice xd

[dense violet]

finishing the phases is not a real challenge. You can make the sloppiest, dirtiest factories and limp to the end. It's more about learning how to make things and doing your own projects afterwards

[tired horizon]

Yes but what I want to ask was what if i wanted to finish phase 3 in abt 20 hrs lets say, how much of each component would i need to produce, im not looking for a hard number, just the ratio between producing reinf plates and for example rotors. E.g. for 1 rotor/min for 3 reinf iron plates/min. Or smh like that.

[dense violet]

figure out the number of space parts you need to make pm to finish in 20 hrs. Use a planner and work backwards

[tired horizon]

Basically how important components are and what should I produce more of

[dense violet]

here's a plan for 2 ACUs pm

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=HVHlwdML547IvrlrTK9r

automate everything 🙂 you need them for later parts

there's a few items you can cut out but you have to be very aware of what recipes you'd want to do to do that. And you probably still need all of them for unlocks

[sterile blade]

Eh, imo "one machine at 100%" is a decent enough standard (again, for personal use). If you feel like it's too little or too much you can easily halve or double that without even affecting the machine count

[dense violet]

this uses no alt recipes so .... really up to you if this is what you want. There's thousands of ways to approach the end output

[tired horizon]

Yes i had that in mind when i build my factory, but then vers. frameworks appeared and with that a shortage of modular frames, and a shortage of reinf plates followed, and it was/is difficult to keep up with the demand

[dense violet]

I just build everything in one spot for the tiers. Smoosh items together as needed

[tired horizon]

So im asking if theres something i can do to prevent this

[dense violet]

just slap things you're already making together from storage containers , where you hopefully have several thousands of parts saved up, and let it run from that.

don't care about efficiency.

as mentioned, it is not worth trying to properly futureproof things

[sterile blade]

That's why I keep saying "for personal use" :P
If you're tying to use it to feed another factory, that item isnt being made for "personal use" but for "factory use"...
My suggestion is to make separate production lines for each (eg: one Plate Constructor feeds a storage, the other Plate Constructors feed the factory; if you need more Reinforced Plates, you make more Plates Constructors rather than "stealing" from the Constructor feeding storage)

[coral marsh]

i am sorry for sliently doubting y'all about diluted fuel, i have realized how OP it is

this alt recipe has just made my fuel gen factory much easier and i cna use far more of my 2nd favorite machine, the blender

[tired horizon]

Alr, ty yall.

[sterile blade]

Just added an edit to my last message, just in case you missed it 😅

[tired horizon]

Il keep my Temu HQ Jr for personal use and I'll make a new factory for more reinf. plates and the other stuff necessary

[cyan leaf]

How do I stop these train signals from looping?

[dense violet]

just test it with a train. see if it works

[cyan leaf]

The signs say its looping themselves and its kinda a single line railway track

[dense violet]

did you finish the system?

[craggy slate]

Whats the end of the game and whats the end goal?

[cyan leaf]

Whatever u choose to be the end goal

[dense violet]

it's a sand box. You're done when you can't figure out any projects you want ot build

[craggy slate]

Oh alright

[cyan leaf]

O honestly dont know what is considered good cause yeah my train stop but the sign still had the warning symbol

[craggy slate]

What pc component does the game use the most (just curious)

[jaunty jewel]

is the train station the right way around

[dense violet]

if you've completed the rail and signals, do a test

[dense violet]

cpu is a common bottle neck

[cyan leaf]

Everything in the track is good i just dont understand these signals

[craggy slate]

Okay then my specs are fine

[dense violet]

dw about it, send a train, see what happens

[cyan leaf]

Cause the train just goes into a dead stop at the signal

[dense violet]

you'll need to make a post with overhead images of the blocks

photomode is your friend

[cyan leaf]

Wait what dids waiting fir path reservation mean?

[craggy slate]

How long would it take to automate everything at a slow pace?

[cyan leaf]

A good few hundred of hours

[craggy slate]

Alright thanks thats all bye

[dense violet]

waiting for hte path to be free

either you signaled wrong or there's another train in the way

[cyan leaf]

All I did was add a block sign after the path signal cause its right before the station i want to add to loop

[dense violet]

#satisfactory message

[cyan leaf]

Do i put the pics in the screenshot channel?

[dense violet]

you can put images in the #1038092680493801533 post

[cyan leaf]

#1465626181406822421 @dense violet

[devout blaze]

hello

[wanton cloud]

Yall

oh wait

nevermind i figured it out

[cyan leaf]

Holy molly there ist not a single none vauge piece of advice for train signals

[frosty mirage]

How much fuel does 1 fuel powered generator need?

[cyan leaf]

Whatever it says for the per minute of that fuel type

[frosty mirage]

It doesnt say anything 😭

[cyan leaf]

Did u linked it up to ur fuel source? Cause it should say once u do that

[stuck dagger]

There should be a small info panel that can be opened, I don't exactly recall

[fluid crow]

what kind of fuel

[frosty mirage]

Connected it to see

20 per minute needed

[frosty mirage]

Just fuel

Normal one

[fluid crow]

then ye 20

[dense violet]

there's literally a million posts about it in #1038092680493801533 and tons of youtube tutorials

[dense violet]

and you've been explicitely told

1. You need better images of what you're doing
2. your life would be literally 10000000% easier if you did two lanes

[dense violet]

an extremely basic example of how to manage 2 lanes very easily https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1448157102966182049/1448167940225499156/image.png?ex=69798efe&is=69783d7e&hm=4f427804d6f28661273420f6ba12bd438e93ab1a5e452383adc1b8199b573d41&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[reef basin]

Only in signal description 🙂

[reef basin]

Hover/click on a fuel slot

[barren spire]

Got my rocket fuel factory up and running and wouldn't you know it, you can easily convert the last half of your turbo fuel factory into a turbo/rocket fuel factory. I set up a power switch that'll turn off or on machines that'll run either turbo fuel or rocket fuel bottling. I'll never need the turbo fuel again, but man I love this rocket fuel!

Now for ionized fuel 😫

[dense violet]

y?

[barren spire]

Because it's something to build lol

[frosty mirage]

Thats useful, thanks!

[barren spire]

I also learned that the jetpack has a gear icon in the inventory screen while equipped, and you can change your "preferred fuel type" so that way anytime you have biofuel cuz you're farming wood and leaves, when you go to use the jetpack, it doesn't also use the biofuel.

Prolly a derp moment for me, but whatever

[cyan leaf]

I would've but my depot is in the middle of my starting factory which has no room to add a new line without moving everything from where they are just to do it. I am trying to use guides but everything is for 2 lines or talking about random stuff that isnt about how to use the signals

[cyan leaf]

💀 I read it over and over still dont understand

[dense violet]

shift it to the side. From the images you've shared you hvae lots of room

[reef basin]

So it's not lack of info, just not understanding it 🙂

[dense violet]

at worst do stacked rail. But you'll want to make it tidier https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1360987971435630683/unknown.png?ex=69797712&is=69782592&hm=7ac633878b7b35d1e1c0b8146d92c8ee85ab1014e848a9a8fe865077189f74c6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[cyan leaf]

Oh thays not my depot thats the station i want to add to move to my main depot. The station i showed is my encased and quartz stuff

[dense violet]

stacked rail if for some reason you can't have 2 lanes side by side.
just needs to be 2 foundations. Less even

[reef basin]

What problem do you have? Can you share images in #1038092680493801533 ?

[cyan leaf]

😭 imma keep getting same answers nothing new at this point

[reef basin]

Nvm Cobalt sent me there

[leaden turret]

📧 Lizard Doggo - Your order is on the way
👀

[sharp burrow]

What's going on with Satisfactory 1.2? We haven't had any updates for ages. Satisfactory 1.1 come out in June.....

I'm guessing a huge percentage worked on the Console release, but man, it's bitterly disappointing to not have seen an update for a while.

[leaden turret]

"a while" being "since before they went on winter vacation?

<@&370483737957236737> dev stream today?

[sharp burrow]

I don't really count the small incremental patches as releases, though.

[leaden turret]

I'm referring to "informational update" not "patch update"

[sharp burrow]

Let's hope we hear something next month!

[leaden turret]

were were explicitly told 1.2 wouldn't be coming in january, so give it until... Sunday before you start complaining 😛

[sharp burrow]

A couple of teasers would suffice. I know it'll be worth the wait. XD

[leaden turret]

1.2 will ||start with a 1, end with a 2, and have a . in the middle||

@obsidian zodiac how's the golf content for 1.2 coming along? or did that get lost in the respawn 😛

[hollow ravine]

i know the pillar trick to remove z fighting is there anyway to remove this kind of x/y fighting? #screenshots message

[leaden turret]

z-fighting refers to depth buffer issues, not axis.

is still z-fighting

[obsidian zodiac]

what golf content?

[hollow ravine]

cool ig

[leaden turret]

surfaces are coplanar, nudge it over a teensy bit.

[hollow ravine]

how

[leaden turret]

club:
ball:
hole:

[void gorge]

Nah

Next week

Mbe smol stream by end of week

[leaden turret]

so... 480p?

reminder re: live stream captions

cc @gaunt tulip in case anyone on reddit is asking when dev streams will resume

[spiral fulcrum]

Is map on Satisfactory Calculator outdated?
It doesn't show some of raw quartz nodes location and misplaced SAM node
And a few Oil places gone

[leaden turret]

nodes might be hidden due to filters. any errors should be reported on anthor's discord (refer to discord icon in top right of scim website)

[tall lantern]

do you have it set to the right game branch?

[spiral fulcrum]

Nope, they are not hidden

[spiral fulcrum]

Yeap
Just yesterday it was fine

Gonna message on their discord, thank you

[keen lion]

Guys I might be allergic to organization because what I'm doing makes this place look abandoned

[leaden turret]

embrace the spaghett

[keen lion]

I think the spaghett is embracing me because I am now trapped:/ should've been more organized now I'm in a constructor input hatch

[green fiber]

Recycled for parts

[keen lion]

Currently in the process of getting recycled 2/10 lowkeniunly hurts don't try at home

[unkempt blade]

trim all that spaghetti and replace it with adorable factory carts

[frosty nimbus]

Why oh why did I decide to do a rocket fuel powerplant

[fluid crow]

"rocket fuel" sounds cool

[crude canyon]

start using bps more

oh and don't think nuclear was a better option

[frosty nimbus]

I am 😭

I have to place 715 fuel generators

[crude canyon]

at that point my problem becomes that there aren't enough motors in my storage

[frosty nimbus]

I realized this midway through. I decided to then build a factory that makes 60 motors p/m

Im now running into a rubber bottleneck

[crude canyon]

shoutout to recycled plubber

[tall lantern]

is that before or after overclocking

because this'd be a good time to use those accumulated shards imo

[high prairie]

1.2 when? ;-;

[unborn moss]

Tomorrow

[rustic rune]

What's a good place for a 'basics' factory? Essential things for building, like plates, rods, steel stuff, wire and cable etc. I'm in the late game, but those basics are still where I built them at the start of the game, pretty unorganized and sloppy so looking for a good place to move it.

[tall lantern]

the typical answer is "near the resources it needs", so nothing wrong with where it is

and if you're in the lategame, clearly it's working well enough to not need rebuilding

("because I want to" is a valid reason of course, if you want to make it look better, but it's not necessary)

[rustic rune]

it's really sloppy, with some old stuff that I never cared to upgrade. Yes, it's mostly because I want to. I'm moving my hub to a more scenic place and reorganizing things, so moving that basics factory also makes sense to me. I don't think I'd need much resources to be honest. It's only for building after all

[unkempt blade]

Where would make you happiest? I'd put it there

[toxic lichen]

Hook em up to dimensional depot thingies

Ez pz

Why need organise
When it’s js
There

[tall lantern]

again, if it's already somewhere that has what it needs, then that's where I'd put it. Sure rebuild it if you want to, but you don't have to move it

[rustic rune]

yes, they are all hooked up to depots and everything. Im thinking about moving it because it's inefficient and frankly I could use the space it's in right now for something else.

[toxic lichen]

Hmmmmmm
Fair enough
Make it in a cave

Or that big ass waterfall at the left side of the map

[unkempt blade]

Yeah but how cool is the giant hole in the middle of the map overlooking the void though? The vibes are just better there

[tall lantern]

you could put something more interesting there 😛

[fluid crow]

depot stays full and you could never look at it again

[rustic rune]

that's actually where Im thinking to move my hub and doggo enclosure

[south elm]

Will this game get further updates that are gamechanging or is it a finished product with occasional small changes

[unkempt blade]

finally someone around here has good taste in factory locations!

[tall lantern]

define "gamechanging". It's definitely still being worked on, though not much info on 1.2 yet. Something about gamemodes hinted for it though...

[reef basin]

Keep it where it is, no reason to move it

[unkempt blade]

yeah I heard we're getting a carts-only logistics mode

[tall lantern]

we're you're

[rustic rune]

even for estethics or efficiency reasons?

[tall lantern]

if it's working, it's working

usual advice is build new without tearing down the existing

[unkempt blade]

you should make an identical factory 80m to the north and run both of them

[tall lantern]

with the caveat mentioned before: because I want to, even if it's "inefficient" to do so is all the justification you need

but in a game around automation and efficiency, you're gonna get the efficiency-focused answers by default

[unkempt blade]

Yeah but he's not very fun-efficient yet because he's not cartmaxing 🙁

[tall lantern]

you only need one cart per player for fun

and a skatepark

[unkempt blade]

That's baseline fun. You need to make it more efficient by recording routes when you take a break and then have dozens of other carts run those routes all the time

[fluid crow]

carts are a powerful logistics solution

[ashen meadow]

Been getting back into satisfactory for the first time since pipes were added and I've set up a dedicated server to play with friends. Dedicated server has been a surprisingly OP tool. Any production line I set up, no matter how inefficient, fills an entire storage crate by the time I log back in the next day

Feels kinda busted

[fluid crow]

I can do that if I don't close the game

[dense violet]

Then pause it when no one is on?
Also the game is about creating production lines not just having items

[rich parrot]

You could set it to pause when offline, so it is more challenging.

[ashen meadow]

I could but I want the higher tier items before I start a proper factory. Between family, job, and chores I have very little time to make multiple factory versions 😅

[rich parrot]

You can and should build a new factory, when you get to higher tiers. Your low tier production is not going to suffice for any of the higher tier items, if you need to wait overnight to fill a container 🙂

So you could make your starter factory as proper as possible and leave it as construction material supply.

[void cliff]

Dedicated server makes the game run so much better on the steam deck

[keen lion]

btw why is there a hole in the ozone layer directly above my factory?

[unkempt blade]

why did you put it there?

[polar ermine]

assembler has 2 inputs. are they related to the resource? like if I need ressource A and B, can I feed A and B into both inputs? or do I have to like only feed one resource in one input?

[frosty bloom]

You can, but if item A is full, it stalls

[polar ermine]

ok thanks

[void cliff]

It would be cool if there were recipes with more inputs than input holes (not for liquids though)

[toxic lichen]

e'-e'

but if more than hole amount

how you gonna craft it

[craggy slate]

No it wouldnt that would just ruin the part where its supposed to be a calm game bcz then u would panic if something starts failing

[void cliff]

Sushi belts!!!! Load balancing!!! If it’s an alt recipe, you wouldn’t have to do it. It’s for fun.

[craggy slate]

I mean its not a good plan

Just no

[surreal rose]

should i make plastic factory on my fuel power plant or keep sending resin into sink?

[scenic mirage]

iirc theres an item late game where you have to sushi belt smth

i forget what it is tho

[scenic mirage]

if you need plastic then make a plastic factory

[toxic lichen]

why not both

[void cliff]

I thought I might have seen one, like a blender recipe with 3 solid items

[surreal rose]

i don't really need it rn but i might need it in future since my current plastic factory is so bad anyone would cry at it's sight

[jade perch]

Plastic factory from resin produced by turbo fuel factory is pretty good for me, but i think you gotta make sure you actually use all of the resin otherwise power plant will shut down

[ornate saffron]

If it works, it works

[surreal rose]

i don't have turbo fuel yet

[void cliff]

I usually always set up a factory just making plastic and rubber as soon as phase 3 starts. It’s not efficient but it loads up the DD

[ornate saffron]

My phase 3 priority is always power. But I really skim the power limits until then lol

[scenic mirage]

im phase 3 and i only have 1200 Mw

im gonna just speedrun fuel power

[void cliff]

I usually make a small turbofuel power plant with that plastic / rubber but I don’t go crazy, something like 5000 MW or so. I don’t usually go crazy on power (not even that crazy tbh…) until unlocking nitro rocket fuel

[sterile blade]

Until then, we can only self-inflicted such limitations

[void cliff]

I’m sushi-belt-curious but I’m also lazy

[sterile blade]

Overclocked turbo diamonds (packaged Turbofuel + Coal)

[fiery kraken]

Ah, an energy death spiral is the worst when all of your enegry grid is connected!

[ornate saffron]

Me no like turbo. I love nitro rocket fuel though

[scenic mirage]

oo ya i never touched turbofuel

in my new save imma try that route tho

[sterile blade]

At least, the research part of sushi and its intricacies has already been done

[ornate saffron]

Im going nuclear this time. Whenever I get back to it that is.

[void cliff]

Still gotta have some power before rocket fuel. Turbo is just better than standard fuel

[sterile blade]

Ie: we already know the best ways to do sushi, in almost any possible scenario

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

[toxic lichen]

how does 1 manage running the nuclear plants
without
all that radiation

[void cliff]

Well, you don’t

[toxic lichen]

e'-e'

[scenic mirage]

iodine masks

[toxic lichen]

i see

[sterile blade]

Load balancing ^^

[ornate saffron]

You just automate filters and put them into the cloud. Then put a few stacks into your inventory

[toxic lichen]

ill probably forget all this when i get there

[ornate saffron]

That and load balancing. As rods are cumulative. So you want just enough to fuel your reactors and no more

[void cliff]

Nuclear power is such a hassle though, I can’t say I ever care to mass produce it

[sterile blade]

BTW, sushi-balancing is a thing too...
Programmable splitters to the rescue 💪

[ornate saffron]

Nitro rocket fuel is much easier.

[toxic lichen]

ill make a nuclear plant
Somewhere
just to at least do it once

[void cliff]

I’ve used sushi belts only for like “stocking containers with supplies” but sushi belts look f***ing cool and their use should be encouraged more

[ornate saffron]

Im 1000 hours deep and I still havent gone nuclear

[toxic lichen]

what are these sushi belts

[ornate saffron]

Belts with more then one type of item

[void cliff]

I did it once for the MAM research achievement lol

[sterile blade]

I couldn't agree more
I hate that they get so much hate overall 😭 (I'm not discounting their complexity, ofc their not for everyone, but the general sentiment seems much more negative than warranted)

[ornate saffron]

What do you mean?

[void cliff]

Need nuclear byproducts to unlock nuke nobelisks in the MAM

[ornate saffron]

Its not a by product. Its a single rod.

[reef basin]

efficiency: building new takes less time and has better result than dismantling and rebuilding
aesthetics: ofc if you really hate it, feel free to dismantle, but functional is better than nice 🙂

[sterile blade]

It's not a byproduct, but they're talking about the Cells ^^

[ornate saffron]

Ya, tired. Took me a bit to put together what they ment

[sterile blade]

BTW, I happened to make one very nice sushi video. No machines, just "logistic floors" full of flowing sushis and colorful signs

Too bad that savefile don't work anymore

[ornate saffron]

I want sushi. AYCE is preferred but ill take any

[sterile blade]

What's "AYCE"?

[ornate saffron]

All You Can Eat

[void cliff]

Rainbow roll addict here

[ornate saffron]

All rolls. Put them in my mouth.

[hidden pebble]

Hey, do pipes connected by junctions ever balance themselves?

[ornate saffron]

In short yes, but you can get some weird sloshing

[hidden pebble]

Sloshing seems to be the eternal truth of this game

[sterile blade]

I don't know wether this would classify as AYCE or not, but here: https://youtu.be/RoL8cB_4ev8

[ornate saffron]

You learn tricks as you go to help. Like

Always fill machines from above

Put your pumps before the suggested clip point

Try to fill pipes completely before turning on the machones

[hidden pebble]

Yeah, heard and do all of them.

i need to carry a lot of nitrogen. At this point i feel like piping it will be a hassle

[ornate saffron]

Whenever I feel like i got pipes down I get humbled lol

[ornate saffron]

If its a long distance packaging maybe best

[fluid crow]

nitrogen drones

[void cliff]

Nitrogen drones are awesome. It’s the way

[hidden pebble]

Well, it feels too close to drone🤷‍♂️

And 1 drone always means 2 drones since you need to feed it batteries.

[ornate saffron]

Better to use them drones to feed me food

[hidden pebble]

Ficsit doesn't condone wastage of resources.

[void cliff]

Bottled nitrogen plant feeding the whole map by drone! Pressure turbo motors!

[fluid crow]

I have one that doesn't go very far and it's been running forever off 1 container of turbo fuel

[hidden pebble]

1 container?

[fluid crow]

industrial storage

[hidden pebble]

So you haven't automated its fuel supply💀

[fluid crow]

It still hasn't ran out of what I dumped in there getting it going lol

I could bring it by train quite easily bu lot of wasted trips for the amount I need

[hidden pebble]

Technically it will take a lot of time. But it still doesn't feel right

Anyways i have the choice of a nitrogen drone or just pack and belt it or good old pipes.

[fluid crow]

drones is just nice for the 1 stop container solution

[surreal rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1465711360531763357/image.png?ex=697a1993&is=6978c813&hm=bbbc2667c7366f7c0715125618edc2ef4c5ed446dd7f502f639f2516bfb5d448& rate core of my factory from 1 to 10

[reef basin]

0/10 I see buffers and power storages

[hidden pebble]

Got a Vendetta against those?

[reef basin]

buffers are pointless to use anywhere other than train platforms
instead of building power storages to temporarily fix my power, I'd build proper power so that I have it resolved

[fiery kraken]

Building proper power is hard.

[reef basin]

but you have to do it anyway

so why waste time on temporary fixes in shape of power storage

[hidden pebble]

Not after you unlock NR fuel

[fiery kraken]

I just had to suffer the consequences of not doing a power buffer.

[reef basin]

*normal fuel

[void cliff]

Point is that it looks like spaghetti and meatballs

[drowsy kelp]

It’s not hard, just time-consuming

[fiery kraken]

I've unlocked nuclear fuel. Still had to fix a power outage.

[reef basin]

that's where priority power switches come into play

and those don't have a time limit like power storages do

[hidden pebble]

Nuclear fuel is complicated. When it's complicated, many things can go wrong.

[drowsy kelp]

Why are there long conveyors between those manufacturers and the depot uploaders on the ground when you could just extend the foundation a square and put them there

[reef basin]

base nuclear is super simple

[void cliff]

Nah. Don’t use those, just make overwhelming amounts of rocket fuel power instead

[drowsy kelp]

Also have you tried other build modes like straight

[hidden pebble]

priority power storages cut off lower priority grids right? But that doesn't matter if your production avalanches to 0🤣

[drowsy kelp]

Why are there things stacked so high

[fiery kraken]

That is what I've just learned. I had to build one exclusively so that my slooped particle accelerator doesn't blow the fuse.

[surreal rose]

power storage are used when i rebuild my power plant

[hidden pebble]

And gives you some sour candy to eat.

[fluid crow]

where's all the pipes

[drowsy kelp]

That’s only possible if your power grid is organized and not cross-linking spaghetti

[surreal rose]

so i can understand where is where and what is what even a little bit

[surreal rose]

so there enough storage and i can use what i need at any time

[hidden pebble]

You can just point the dismantle gun to check its contents

[reef basin]

Why rebuild? Just build new

[reef basin]

?

[hidden pebble]

Toxic waste

[reef basin]

Can't be 0, we have geothermal

[surreal rose]

well thats what i did with my recent power plant

[reef basin]

Just store it

[drowsy kelp]

But they don’t need to be stacked to the moon to do that

[surreal rose]

they need.

[hidden pebble]

I forgot that. I don't really use geothermal. What's the total power they net?

[reef basin]

*nuclear 🙂

[drowsy kelp]

1.75/10, very inefficient

It’s just gonna get more messy as you add stuff to the mess

[reef basin]

Enough to guarantee power for factory that makes some fuel for bigger power plant, which makes enough power to power rest of powerplants and rest of bases

[hidden pebble]

Boy you would die if you see my build . It ran on power augmenters because i prioritised exploration.

[surreal rose]

it makes almost everything i unlocked tho

[drowsy kelp]

My power grid wasn’t doing too good until i found an isolated gigawatt

[hidden pebble]

So you need to dedicate a fuel plant for a nuclear plant...

[drowsy kelp]

Now it’s doing… somewhat better

[reef basin]

don't really need to dedicate

[hidden pebble]

I ran on 7 gigawatts and Power augmenters

[drowsy kelp]

Also the 9x9x5 power storage cube is almost done charging

[hidden pebble]

I'm doing some random shit. After i finish it I'm gonna do nuclear

[drowsy kelp]

I ran the numbers one time, i could probably run for 12 hours off that cube alone

[hidden pebble]

How much energy per cube?

[drowsy kelp]

40.5GWh

[regal helm]

I might need to put this in questions but: I went too deep on some exploring and fell off a cliff. My crate is in a location that I can't get to and it has all my tickets. Whats a way to get to the crate? Is there a grappling hook? I play on console

[fluid crow]

reload an auto save maybe?

[dire needle]

is there anyway to make a queless t junction (railroad)

[fluid crow]

but you\ can build anything anywhere so

[ember escarp]

Is there a way to retroactively apply caterium finish to everything I have previously built, or must I manually apply one object at a time?

[reef basin]

Queless?

[dire needle]

what i mean is with the current one i have they pause before to let other trains pass even though they are not going to the same destination

[reef basin]

Path signals

[dire needle]

mhm i have tried for like a hour but whatever i do the middle part of the t junction still count as one

[finite mirage]

is it worth trying to clean up hub area

in mid game

tier 6

mine's incredibly messy

[south sinew]

you can clean it up whenever you want

I usually aim for a rebuild around tier 5

[reef basin]

It will always count as one. But path signals can let multiple trains in, if their paths do not interfere

[placid stirrup]

Do you want to reorganize? Then it's worth it.

[regal helm]

True! I'll see if I can build stairs down

[placid stirrup]

I personally don't really "produce" anything at the HUB. It's just a launcher station, SE, and some constructors for slugs/remains/recycling

[finite mirage]

random batteries, ugly power cables, exposed mini production lines (like concrete)

#screenshots message

[placid stirrup]

Foundations are cool 😎

[south sinew]

you should be able to build a 3-dimensional intersection such that there are zero crossings I believe?

[finite mirage]

over the entire place?

[placid stirrup]

Wherever you want to place machines and buildings

[finite mirage]

also if i dismantle something and i dont have inventory space, isn't that supposed to give me a dismantle crate?????

i destroyed some overclocked buildings and dont see any slugs in my inventory...

[placid stirrup]

I'd check interchanges from Cities Skylines or something, I've seen a few guides that are pretty comprehensive

[finite mirage]

C:S mentioned!!!

[south sinew]

factorio's elevated rail intersections seem more comparable

in SF though you're not limited to just two layers

[placid stirrup]

C:S and Satis are both 3D, Factorio is not

[finite mirage]

could it have gone somewhere else?

[south sinew]

the fact that they are three dimensional matters less than the core concepts underlying the mechanics

[fluid crow]

you mean power shards?

[south sinew]

if C:S doesn't ask you to place your own signals, which last I checked it does not, then it's a long way from matching Satisfactory, and Factorio's elevated rail crossings is a lot closer

[finite mirage]

yea

[placid stirrup]

You making Klein bottles out here?

[fluid crow]

a dismantle crate somewhere if your inventory was full

[finite mirage]

i dont see any

not even in map

[south sinew]

don't believe Klein bottles are possible or advisable in any of the noted games

[fluid crow]

does the map have a dismantle crate section at the left, if not idk

[finite mirage]

it does but not the crate im looking for

would my stuff get inside an existing crate a few ticks away?

[fluid crow]

it could have gone in one quite far away

[finite mirage]

OH THANK GOD

okay

found my slugs thanksss