satisfactory

[hushed totem]

So it's whatever tbh

[arctic shard]

what about solid steel ingots?

[hushed totem]

Honestly everything is base recipe except for the encased industrial beams

[arctic shard]

what about supercomputers?

the alt that uses assempberls is insane

what about turbomotors the alt is great as well

[stoic laurel]

#screenshots message yes they are

[hushed totem]

Uhh, like 2k copper ingots per minute all put into copper sheets and wires

[arctic shard]

use alternates

there great

[dense violet]

plubber recipes are strong

[hushed totem]

No I'm good, I'll probably do it later tho, because honestly I'm technically still starting out

I only have 120ish hours

[stoic laurel]

if youre just starting our, just save up your hard drives, open them but dont choose anything from it

[hushed totem]

Yeah I've been doing that

I've watched god knows how many hours of satisfactory videos

[arctic shard]

what about copper rotors

thats insane as well

[hushed totem]

Ok yeah uhh, I honestly have neglected parts of the manufacturing process

[reef basin]

no, why?

[stoic laurel]

i choose two earlier tonight after Cobalt helped me with some pipe issues because i wanted to make my crude oil -> fuel kick out more

[barren tulip]

i watched like 2 let's game it out videos and then got this game

[hushed totem]

However in the desert I plan on making a nice big mega base

[arctic shard]

bc at a decent scale youre dealing with 4 belts of screws

[reef basin]

at decent scale you don't centralise screws

you make them in front of machines that need them

and hook that 1:1

[arctic shard]

seems like a waste of space

[stuck dagger]

I likes big rows of masheen

[reef basin]

no? it is way less space than dealing with 4 belts of screws

[hushed totem]

Ykw lemme just post my current base tbh

I want you guys to just witness it

[arctic shard]

you just dont deal with 4 belts of screws and just use better recepies

[reef basin]

but they may not be "better" for me

[barren tulip]

i've helped build a factory which used a 10 belt screw input

[stoic laurel]

a waste of space is screws needing iron rods, cast screws great early game

[reef basin]

cast screws don't actually save that much space

[dense violet]

this uses bolted frames and plates and produces 10.6 frames pm. Very compact https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1425811234363801732/1425812876182163496/image.png?ex=69716678&is=697014f8&hm=4fe1f15a37b2fec02ce1d1c403711a4aa76624d1000d670e9db5b6d1d8ba5ffe&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=450&height=350

[golden nexus]

your doing somethig wrong if you make all the screws in one place and have to bus them over

[reef basin]

bus belt

[arctic shard]

i never deal with screws

[reef basin]

your loss

[arctic shard]

your loss actually

[golden nexus]

sounds like skill issue 😛

[reef basin]

no, I'm enjoying my extremely cheap copper rotors

[arctic shard]

bro thats the only screw recepie thats actually good

[reef basin]

by some definition of "good"... which is not everybody's definition

all recipes are "good" for something

[arctic shard]

"ressourse efficient"

[reef basin]

depends how you define "resource efficient" 🙂

[dense violet]

that's an extremely subjective view point xD

[reef basin]

how do you value one resoruce vs another?

[stoic laurel]

looks at my factory and wanting to overhaul the entirety of it just to increase iron and copper ingot production using Iron Ingot Alloy and Copper Alloy Ingot alt recipies

[arctic shard]

by how available it is to your factory location

[marble iron]

hello hello. I'm new here sorry.
This is such a dumb and quick question i doubt it necessits a proper ticket in the question channel/forum but if it is the case, sorry and i'll do it right away ! 🙂
I got addicted a few days ago to the game and I've seen that in theory there is a way to rotate builds by 5° increments, unsnap foundations from the 45° grid once a nearby one is placed and overall move objets precisely with arrowkeys... but i can't figure out how ? the ctrl key surely isn't doing much x)

[reef basin]

so... how good recipe is changes based on where you place factory? (I agree with this, however that means that you can't just call recipe "good", because it depends)

[hushed totem]

Guys my base is such a beauty #screenshots message

[arctic shard]

yes rubber plates isnt good if you dont have an easy source of oil nearby or an eccess of rubber ready to be shipped

[golden nexus]

Working with screws is quite easy, you just need to consume them where you produce them #screenshots message

[reef basin]

for sure. Which means that your previous "that's the only good screw recipe" message is wrong

[hushed totem]

It's really funny how neat and tidy you're guys stuff is

[dense violet]

hold CTRL while spinning the foundation, may need to be on top of an existing foundation

[hushed totem]

And then mine is genuinely just whatever works works

[golden nexus]

One recipie which people avoid because it uses a lot of screws is bolted plate. Which can be done like this effectivly by simple feeding plate at one side and ingots to the contractors at the other #screenshots message

[hushed totem]

I just manifold everything and it works pretty damn well

The only restrictions I'll ever consistently face rn is just belt throughput

[arctic shard]

no it isnt? the only screw recepie that gives you a decent amount of rotors for you screws and frees up steel for stators thats why its good it can make different ressources for available

[reef basin]

that's what screws (and other items) are trying to teach you, sometimes manifolding everything isn't the best solution (though ofc it is a solution)

[reef basin]

there are other recipes that use screws and are good - all of them

[marble iron]

once on a foundation, ctrl or not it is a 45° rotation but when far away i get a 10° increment without the use of ctrl... i'm a bit lost sorry (oh and the fine movement is still locked as well 😢

[golden nexus]

yeah, theres often simple ways around this as well where the thoughput limits you almost always hit first are ingots

[hushed totem]

I mean the solution does work well enough

[arctic shard]

how do you defines good

[hushed totem]

Oh yeah definitely

[reef basin]

useful for [problem I have]

depending on situation, there are different recipes that are useful
but none is ever "always useful" or "never useful"

[arctic shard]

then every single recepie in the game is good

[reef basin]

indeed

[hushed totem]

In certain situations yeah

[barren tulip]

i did a manifold loop on my screws belt 😭

[golden nexus]

like i tend to build vertically a lot, which means if you have construcotrs in a line vertically you can feed each set of constructors ingots vertically as well eg this #screenshots message can have 4 vertical ingot belts feeding it making the building scale 4x the height / thoughput without adjusting the floor design

[reef basin]

peak reactions @ Cobalt

[arctic shard]

i dont think so

[barren tulip]

there's a way to do it by placing a walkway on the side and then rotating the walkway holding ctrl or alt (i forgot which) then placing your foundation on the side of the walkway before removing the walkway

[dense violet]

thats a subjective opinion - every recipes does a different thing in different situations and different place

Maybe you don't personally like a recipe, that's fine. Doesn't make it bad

[dense violet]

it'd be like you saying red is a bad colour.

[reef basin]

you may be confusing "I like this recipe/I hate this recipe" with "recipe is useful for someone/something"

[golden nexus]

Even charcoal has its uses

[hushed totem]

Yeah I could see how that'd work, but I of course do prefer how I do it which is just balancing everything and calculating the numbers and getting them as close as whatever maximum I have

[golden nexus]

Yeah of course, getting the most out of a node removes most of the logestics to getting more stuff

[arctic shard]

that is a bad analogy

[dense violet]

no it isn't, because a lot of what makes a recipe valuable is very subjective

[golden nexus]

This was my actual recent solutions to gthe game btw. (this completed it) #screenshots message

[dense violet]

For example, I'll use Bolted Plates even though it costs a tiny bit more iron per plate, because it's so freaking compact

[hushed totem]

Yeah which does simplify the game a little, however trying to calculate all of it does hurt sometimes because I have a severe aversion against math

[dense violet]

Another example - I don't like Electrode Circuit boards, I can't see me ever using it.

but it has it's uses

[hushed totem]

God damn your stuff is hella neat and clean honestly, I genuinely couldn't do that until I completely finished the game tbh

[dense violet]

any time I'm going ot have circuit boards somewhere I'll have the other resource for different resources and save on the oil

[arctic shard]

yeah i get that

[golden nexus]

Its really 3 key buildings, steel, cateirum, aliminimum, each items is built floor by floor. The rest of the towers provide support eg wire, cable, concrete, rplate

[arctic shard]

but recepies can be bad if they are very situational

they can be great

[reef basin]

want better?

porsche is a good car

sure, it's a good car, but it's not good car for family of 7 who want big trunk space

[reef basin]

situational doesn't mean it's bad

[dense violet]

they become good if you're in a situation that makes them good

up to you if you put yourself in that spot

[arctic shard]

i agree its impossiple to find a recepie that in some situation will be more advantageous than every other

will not*

[dense violet]

Specialist recipes aren't bad - they do their jobs

[reef basin]

exactly

depending on situation, preferences, limitations, etc., there will be different recipes that are "best" for given situation

[dense violet]

they are just niche.
and I'd say most later tier recipes are more specialist

if not all

[arctic shard]

i think silicon circuit board is very situanional

ive never though this is excatly what i need

i think its bad

[reef basin]

but there's never an "always best" recipe (not to mention that to compare two recipes, you need to look at them in vacuum, and that loses all the advantages you get from combining recipes together)

[reef basin]

for you

[arctic shard]

yes obv

[dense violet]

if you plan your electronics facility near quartz silicon CB + cryst comps are very useful there

and Quartz is great for electronics since it can be completely cut out from everythign else in the game with the right recipes

if you wanted to you could use like 1/4 of a node for oscilators for yoru world and never touch quartz product again

same with caterium, if you wanted to you could just keep it for a hand ful of AI limiters and not touch it for anything else

[barren tulip]

i have though

[arctic shard]

situational

right?

[barren tulip]

wait silicon is using silica right?

[arctic shard]

yes

[dense violet]

using that recipe, uses mostly crystal to make computers https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1463419194006704128/image.png?ex=6971c2d4&is=69707154&hm=3c3434ca76305d0430a48dc871a4abf0ae9ed0de529df19be5cff16927daae0a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

that's 10 computers pm there

[barren tulip]

yeah i used that in combination with silicon HSC's to hit two birds with one chip

[arctic shard]

yeah that could be a situation where that recepie is fittting for the situation

[dense violet]

being right next to quartz isn't that niche a situation 🙂 could even cut the oil out of that for little cost

[reef basin]

tl;dr:

• you're free to not like some recipes
• you're free to not use some recipes
• however that doesn't make them bad, neither does using a recipe make them good

[dense violet]

so crystal iron and copper for a few computers is a nice trade

[arctic shard]

dawg

[barren tulip]

not even next to quartz but the final recipe (uranium fuel unit) was gonna call for crysillators so i used silicon recipe because might as well

[stoic laurel]

zoom #screenshots message

[arctic shard]

let me try an analogy: Bad People can do good things if somebody puts them in the right situation, they can be great people but theyre still bad people majority of the time, so theyre bad people. They ´re not good just because you say they can be

[dense violet]

oh and this uses Quickwire cable to help make computers form ONLY cat and oil

who ever uses caterium cable xD https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=MeVEynEgeDrbUvFSgugj

[dense violet]

niche use doesn't mean bad

by your analogy only recipes like low tier items are 'good'

which is insane

like pure lunacy

[barren tulip]

did that one time to a factory cart, i went into orbit and idk where the factory cart went

[arctic shard]

how would my analogy make low tier items good?

[dense violet]

because basically all mid and high tier item recipes are niche

'specialist'

[stoic laurel]

why didnt i think to use a factory cart!? i used an explorer and got slammed into the the ground

[dense violet]

they do a very specific job.

[arctic shard]

yes obv

slight decision differnces in the early game will make differnt recepies in the late game much more advantagrous

[dense violet]

"let me try an analogy: Bad People can do good things if somebody puts them in the right situation, they can be great people but theyre still bad people majority of the time,"

you're describing niche and specialist recipes here

[arctic shard]

yes

yes

[dense violet]

so therefor, according to you, basically all recipes for mid to late items are bad

[arctic shard]

my special wrench that only tightens specific screws it a bad wrench

[dense violet]

apparently

[arctic shard]

no

[dense violet]

then you wrote this really badly if that's not what you meant

[arctic shard]

you understood it differently on how i menat it

[golden nexus]

yeah like using bolted plate vs stiched plate because the entire iron stacked for cast screws -> bolted plate -> bolted frame -> heavy encased frame glue perfectly together on a ratio of 5:1:2:3:2

[dense violet]

there's really no other way to mean it.

basically alt recipes past basic items are specialist that could be 'bad' in many situations

and according to you, that means they are bad

it's fine to NOT put yourself in those situations where they are good, but it doesn't mean they are bad

A fire man isn't bad because he's a bad carpenter, it's the person who put them in a position to do carpentry that made an error

even you made the special wrench analogy - it only works on specific parts. But doesn't mean it's bad

[arctic shard]

that is a good analogy but if the fireman is decent at carpeting at plumbing and has a higher bench PR than the actual carpenter that means youd call the fireman most of the time

so hes "better" at problem solving

[dense violet]

yup, use that fire man in spot he can do his job and hes great 😄 so is the fireman bad?

[golden nexus]

a problem with your analogys is people can no longer releate them to reality tbh

[arctic shard]

fundamental problem with analogys

[dense violet]

Quickwire Cable is shit if you don't have access to caterium and oil.
But great if you have both and don't want to use other resources

is quickwire cable bad?

[golden nexus]

Like one of the things you first stateds here is screws are bad, so whats a general overall ratio / numbers look like for stitched plate to avoid screws?

Like how does stiched plate fit into the "big overall design"

[arctic shard]

theres too many people arguing with me

i cant type quck anough

[golden nexus]

Windows key + g -> speak 😛

[arctic shard]

dawg im in classrn

[dense violet]

in any case, your entire argument seems centered that recipes are bad because in a lot of situations they aren't good

that's very silly. Tehre's so many situations, desirse and recipes that your options are near infinite

[golden nexus]

sorry its not wkey + g ... there another which means you can type with voice

i was close it wkey + h

[arctic shard]

i dont think thats very silly

[dense violet]

to think something is bad because you don't put yourself in a position where its useful?

Ok Bears are bad because you never have a chance to use them.

WD40 is bad because you never need anything to stop squeaking

Gaffer tape is bad because you're never having to tear cloth tape in a theatre setting

This list of bad things is nearly infinite

Quasars are bad because you don't care about studying them

Cats are bad because you're allergic

I'm not making fun of you, just trying to explain why this is a bad argument

liking or disliking something doesn't make it either good or bad

[coral marsh]

Definitely not

[green fiber]

This age old good bad....
Some recipes are specialized, others are generalized

Thats it thats all there is to it

Some recipes have a niche and are really goos and powerful there

Others have a broader applocation and can be easily applied

The general ones arent better than the specialized ones,you just might prefer them cause they are simple and easy

[arctic shard]

why you think its a bad argument

whats your definition of good and bad then

[golden nexus]

you think screws are bad?

[arctic shard]

i dont care about the screws anymore

[golden nexus]

well is bolted plate a good or a bad recipie then?

what about bolted frame?

[green fiber]

The only bad recipe is the one that has no niche to fill

Which arguably may just be one of the biocoal or charcoal recipes. If you have one you dont need the other, if you ever need them at all

Bolted recipes are arguably general - but their downside is they use screws which people just have skill issues with

You need a good screw recipe or good belts to deal with them effectively

[arctic shard]

yo dawg why are we still talking about the game

[green fiber]

That's the point of this channel dude

[golden nexus]

Yup and this is part of the problem, people consider some recipes are bad because they use screws, but its really because they have a bad time dealing with them, but often when looking at this when you say "hey, how does stitched plate fit in the larger game compared to bolted plate/frame" then it turned out the screws are less of a problem compared to the big picture problems trying to get stiched plate to fit

[arctic shard]

i care about how people can say things are bad if they might have use in certain situations

i care about what being good or bad means

[green fiber]

And i dont like the argument / dont care about that argument which is why im not willing to engage in it

[golden nexus]

Cause your stating "all things with screws are bad" #satisfactory message

But you can't give an example why they are bad, only show a skill / competence issues with screws. In the software world we call this "cargo culting" which is to do something a specific way because of myth's and rumours to avoid dealing with the actual problem at hand because it apprently seems easier to take the shortcut now. But in reality what you do is bring on debt now which often needs much more effort later to resolve.

[dense violet]

because bears wd40 and cats aren't bad

[arctic shard]

Can you give me a tldr

[dense violet]

you are conflating 'I don't like this thing = bad'

[golden nexus]

The decisions to avoid screws at all cost is one based on irrational/emotional one rather than one based on logic, evidence and planning.

[dense violet]

It's a subjective preference.
Just becaues you don't like screws doesn't mean they are bad

if you judge if things are bad or good by emotion that's a HUGE problem

basically how you get republicans

[arctic shard]

How do you judge things then

[arctic shard]

Dawg I'm German

[dense violet]

basically how you get generic fascists, then.

[arctic shard]

Fascist are bad then?

How did you judge that?

[dense violet]

I was about to get to that!
they are actively harmful to others

Quickwire cable has never harmed a soul

just because you don't have a use for something right now, doesn't make it bad

[golden nexus]

You plan the thing out and do the thing that fits best for what you want to do.... so i asked you about this, I even gave you an example (#satisfactory message) of how bolted plate/bolted frame fit into the long term picture of the game giving a machine ratio of 5:1:2:3:2 as you move up the tiers, this makes the whole setup manageable long term and scalable as well because the machines won't have "funky ratios" between them.

[arctic shard]

So you're saying things are good of they bring good to people

[dense violet]

can you rephrase that pls?

[arctic shard]

Quick wire cables can do that

Things should be judged on weather they bring joy to people or avoid pain?

[dense violet]

not quite lets go back to tools

if you need to screw something in and have a hammer, does that make a hammer a terrible tool? or just not good for the situation you're in?

this is probably the closest realistic analogy for what we're talking about, since recipes are basically tools

[golden nexus]

Well if the only tool you have ever learnt how to use, everything then begins to look like a nail.

[arctic shard]

But you will find a hammer in every house but some other obscure tool that could fill the same place not so often, are they both equally as good for their purpose? Or must a hammer not be better for the purpose if hammering nails simply because everybody uses a hammer even though my 20 inch metal rod does the job equally as well

Or God forbid a nailgun

[dense violet]

you're way off topic

If you, right now, need to screw something in, and you have a hammer. Does that make hammers, in general, a bad tool.

[arctic shard]

I'm on the topic I'm interested in

[dense violet]

you claimed earlier that recipes are bad because you find yourself in situations where they arne't useful

[dense violet]

the situation is , you need to screw something in, are hammers inherently bad?

stop trying to jump through hoops just answer the damn question

yes or no

[arctic shard]

Well if I answer your specifically phrases question the way you want it I make your point

But the conclusion is not in my beliefs

So I won't answer that question

[dense violet]

'oh no I'm losing an argument that is obviously wrong , better do everything to avoid changing what I believe in'

[arctic shard]

No

Not obviously

[golden nexus]

Whoch confirms what i stated earlier, which is the decisions is based on emotional/irraitonal behaviour rather than logic/evidence

[dense violet]

I'm sorry but rigth now you are everything how everything flat earthers and anti vaxxers argue

your feelings make something true and you refuse to argue when you know your point is incorrect

good luck with life

[arctic shard]

Huh

[golden nexus]

completly agree with this

[arctic shard]

I'm convinced of something your convinced of something

[golden nexus]

Nope, The issue here is your convinced of something but when asked why you are convinced or have such an opinion you have no response of any substance at all, in fact you can't explain why you are convinced of it... this makes it purly a shallow argument and emotional. I have put this example to you twice now

[green fiber]

Ragebait argument

[arctic shard]

Ragebait

[green fiber]

Mistra you fell for the Ragebait

[golden nexus]

The fact is, when you avoid screws, your asked well how does this fit into the bigger long term game picture, you can't answer the question. It has nothing to do with rage bait, you simply can't or won't answer the question of overall game strategy

[arctic shard]

I'm not entirely ragebaiting

Like at some point I was too deep

[golden nexus]

At this point you are, so now we just expose you for the troll that you are

[arctic shard]

But some of my points aren't ragebait

[green fiber]

No just argument bait. You sound incredibly bored is all

[arctic shard]

Who?

[green fiber]

You. You sound bored.
Didnt you say you were in class or something

[arctic shard]

I was

I'm at home now

We've been at this for 90 min

[still haven]

Well this is fun

[clear mesa]

Man did I miss the fun part 😞

[arctic shard]

Okay cannot say recepies are obectivly bad bc there must always be a situation where a recepies can have a use. But certain things can be objectively bad(like fascist).

[reef basin]

Kinda yeah

[clear mesa]

Oh wow moral dilemmas in the satisfactory channel

[dense violet]

just a troll who admitted if they answered a question it would show they were wrong

[arctic shard]

Isn't your opinion if fascist based on moral /emotional grounds as well?

What makes them differnt

[reef basin]

And it's not "all recipes must not be objectively bad", it's "recipes we have are balanced well enough to always have some use"

Im the past we had completely useless recipes, but those were removed eventually

[sonic igloo]

question about pipe headlifts, so if i make a water tower, as long as i dont go over it at any point of the pipe line, i dont have to use a pump?

[dense violet]

well you need a pump to get it up there. And headlift resets with machines

just use a pump. It's less hoops to jump through

[sonic igloo]

oh okay

thanks!

[arctic shard]

As long as the pipe is continuous and doesn't go through machines you should be good

[dense violet]

some people claim they fix flow issues, they do not. Just a myth 🙂

[arctic shard]

They can be a solution

I've used them successfully before

[sonic igloo]

its just useful up until the next machine?

[arctic shard]

Just do pumps

[reef basin]

Watwr tower is basically a more complicated pump

[green fiber]

going through machines resets head lift

[dense violet]

they are basically jsut complex pumps.
And pumps are basically free.
You can use them. But.... they're just a pump

a more complicated pump

[sonic igloo]

okay and how does sloshing work exactly and how to avoid it

[arctic shard]

Nobody knows

[reef basin]

Can't avoid it

[sonic igloo]

dayum

[dense violet]

that's a little more complex. Essentially in manifolds you'll get back flow at junctions feeding machines.
You can manage back flow in different ways though

[reef basin]

Can build in a way so that it doesn't affect it tho

[dense violet]

for example if you keep to low flow pipes? you can avoid most problems with it. So like 300 flow pipes.
just build smaller sections.

you can also do 600 flow pipes but you have to be more careful with your layout. And often loop the input pipe

[sonic igloo]

yeah ive seen people looping it back to the first junction

[dense violet]

There's a few other things to avoid, but if you keep your pipes simple, like Point A to Point B , without mergers or splits you'll avoid most problems

[sonic igloo]

okay thanks again !!

[green fiber]

Slosh only becomes an issue at very high flow rates, usually in mk 2 pipes.
Below that, it usually isnt an issue even if it occursa bit

[dense violet]

some basic guidelines if you're interested
#math-and-meta message

[coral marsh]

I do that as well, better to have it loop back than spend another hour or so figuring out where the track would efficiently go to join the track again

[sonic igloo]

oh yeah forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out

[dense violet]

no stress, and like it says in the link, you can break most of those rules if you know what you're doing. Just have to decide if learning how to do it and the time spent is worth it to you

I do some fancy things with pipes you probably shouldn't, but I think it's worth the effort 🙂

[green fiber]

If only some basic things werent fancy to pipes

[dense violet]

Fancy is fancy 😛

[sonic igloo]

oh ive seen some fancy things with pipes, ill rather stick to the basics before i explode

[green fiber]

Fancy is for flexing

[dense violet]

yeah just depends what you want out of them xD

And aesthetics. Which I guess can be a flex

[green fiber]

Aesthetics are always flexing

[dense violet]

I just like feeding pipes from below. Its a flaw I know

[green fiber]

Should it be a flaw tho

[dense violet]

I'm ok with it being a layout challenge

Otherwise they might as well be belts

[green fiber]

Im not against challenges but some of them are just absurdely strict

[scenic mirage]

wdym fancy

[sonic igloo]

i cant even explain it, but i just see people having 'fun' with pipelining

[clear mesa]

Is there a way to see all the removed alt recipes from the game

[green fiber]

Removed?

[clear mesa]

Only ones I can find are the:

Removed Seismic Nobelisk alternate recipe
Removed Radio Control System

But im not sure if there might be more

[golden nexus]

You can't "Remove" recipies.....

[green fiber]

If so, no, only the patchnotes have that

[dense violet]

they removed Beacons recipe. And coated steel plates

I miss Coated Steel Plates

[scenic mirage]

my fatass read bacon recipe 😭

[clear mesa]

patchnotes, removed by devs themselves

[golden nexus]

oh... when was that?

cause i don't imagine them removing something from > 1.0?

[clear mesa]

Not sure haha, i'm trying to look through patch notes to see :p

[green fiber]

Ages ago around Update 4 or 5 i think?

[leaden turret]

shroom inhalers count as bacon recipe

[idle glen]

wait no more ficsmas stuff?

[clear mesa]

Seasonal event

[idle glen]

man I forgot to make a dedicated building for that

[leaden turret]

it's january 21st 😛

[dense violet]

change your computer date

[ashen ridge]

Hey guys, can you tell me what algorithm is used to automatically select names for railway stations?

[dense violet]

exactly, you need to wait until Octorber 14th for christmas stuff again

[leaden turret]

if CSS was american instead of swedish, once midnight swang by we'd have the easter event starting

[scenic mirage]

CSS been busy looking at the northern lights the last few days

[leaden turret]

only natural light in the nordics lately

[scenic mirage]

huh

[leaden turret]

(making a joke about it being dark)

[scenic mirage]

😭 i live in denmark

its not that bad, the sun set at like 5pm yesterday

[obsidian zodiac]

but the sun also doesnt come up until after 09:00 💀

[scenic mirage]

sounds like a sweden problem 🤢

[obsidian zodiac]

well its too coherent to be a danish problem 😉

[dense violet]

oof, what's the local take with the greenland nonsense?

[scenic mirage]

jokes on you i dont even speak danish 😭

[obsidian zodiac]

and i dont speak swedish HAH

[dense violet]

classic swede/danish interaction

[golden nexus]

Thats later than here lol

[scenic mirage]

danish hard asf im trying 😭

[obsidian zodiac]

not 2 immigrants inheriting centuries old beef hahha

[golden nexus]

We get about 8:30 -> 4:30 daylight hours at the worst time

[obsidian zodiac]

if you work in an office youre basically doomed to darkness

[scenic mirage]

i mean i was born in denmark, i lived outside of denmark for 15 out of my 21 years of life tho

[golden nexus]

Vitamin D supplements FTW

[reef basin]

there's a lot of them, depends why do you want that list

[scenic mirage]

i work in a kitchen 😭 its a nice area and open kitchen so i get a nice view of outside

[scenic mirage]

vitamin D and fish oil supplement ftw 😎

[oak nymph]

Denmark seems amazing

[scenic mirage]

its nice but it has its flaws, just like everywhere else in the world 🙂

[oak nymph]

Yeah I'm Canadian and my sun time wasn't great to but it's getting better

[clear mesa]

Purely out of curiosity honestly

[reef basin]

I'm asking because many recipes were e.g. completely changed, some were removed but never publicly known, etc. Which may make the list quite long

[clear mesa]

Yeah which is why I assumed the patch notes on the alternate recipes page wouldn't tell the whole story

Is there a way to go back and retrieve data like that?

Not sure if you can downgrade satisfactory on steam

[clear mesa]

Fair enough. I was just interested in your previous comment of objectively bad alt recipes having been phased out

Got me thinking what those might've been and what other reasons there were to remove others

[reef basin]

alternate plastic recipe from U2

can check it here https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/items

[clear mesa]

Ooo thank you

Rubber and packaged fuel to make plastic...I see 😭

[reef basin]

well, that's just "fuel"

we didn't have fluids back then

[clear mesa]

Oh wow

I guess that makes it somewhat more efficient lmfao

[golden nexus]

Rubber + Fuel = Plastic
Plastic + Fuel = Rubber
You get more rubber + plastic out as a whole

[reef basin]

basically it increased the cost per plastic from 1.3 crude to 1.8 crude, while adding extra step

[clear mesa]

That's actually so funny

Thank you!

[golden nexus]

Obviously you mix in diluted fuel with blender to make as much fuel as possible

[reef basin]

we're talking about U2

[clear mesa]

Ye not current version :p

Although most of my plastic and rubber comes from polymer from the diluted fuel recipe

[clear mesa]

Never bothered to then do this

Good to know it'd yield more if I ever decided to throw in some of my fuel

[golden nexus]

Its more a mix build thing, only thing to design with is the option to change plasitc/rubber as a source to be able to upgrade it on mass

[humble osprey]

how much vertical velocity does each hypetube entrance give? i need to calculate the number of hypettbe enterances i need in my cannon to always cover a certain distance

if i can find the velocity of one indivsual entrance and the acceleration due to gravity, i could use parabolaic motion to calculate initial veelocity required to cover a distance

[zenith sage]

Speaking of hypertubes... I need to finally invest in canons

[golden nexus]

Suggestion, build them in a blueprint makers, it means you get quick trial and error for length

[zenith sage]

Oh I know

[dense violet]

well the faster you enter one the bigger the boost so probalby not that simple

[reef basin]

afaik it depends on things like hardware, lag, etc. as well

[humble osprey]

well crap

now what

[reef basin]

honestly I'd rather invest into proper transportation options than essentially abusing a bug

[humble osprey]

it is not a bug

[reef basin]

essentially

[humble osprey]

ok fair

proper transport like what

[golden nexus]

its one that really became a feature

[reef basin]

it very much was a bug, they just kept it because people cried to have OP thing in the game

[zenith sage]

Border between bug and feature is always a thin one

[humble osprey]

i hate cars

cant afford trains

[reef basin]

explorers are great

trains would probably be next

and hypertube is literally a transportation option

[zenith sage]

Tried explorers once... hated everything about it...

[reef basin]

like what?

[humble osprey]

when do i get the ability to scan for hardrives agai

[scenic mirage]

after crystal oscillators, quartz

[zenith sage]

Maneuverability is bad, it's way too easy to get stuck on something or fly into the air, speed is meh

Slide jump feels way faster tbh

[dense violet]

it's because a ton of terrain is awkward for vehicles for proper exploring

if you have even moderately accessible terrain the explorer is great. But not great for general exploration

[reef basin]

use natural roads and build bridges or ramps where the road isn't clear

I mean I assumed you're talking about transportation between existing points, not exploration

[green fiber]

When you find one, as long as you have the MAM

[dense violet]

oh did that change? I thought you needed fairly high tier advancement for HDD scanning

[zenith sage]

Nope, you still need a lot

[glass pagoda]

Hello

[glass pagoda]

How do you unlock the train thingys like the support tracks

[eager palm]

Any foundation support will do, and trains will come with all essentials on unlock

[glass pagoda]

Oh so the thing that people build is just custom and dosent come with the train makes sense

[eager palm]

People use all kinds of aesthetic pieces. The tracks just need something to sit on

*only for placement

After you build the tracks, delete the supports and defy gravity, who cares

[zenith sage]

Signals are separate, but I wouldn't call them essential anyway, at least for simple train routes

[dense violet]

it's convenient to make blueprints of them especially if they are a bit fancy

[still stump]

Hello, i've been playing offline and the steam achivements aren't synchronizing when i connect to internet, anyone know how to fix it?

[eager palm]

You can try reopening the game and or steam a few times if you haven’t already. Sometimes it just doesn’t catch. I am not an expert.

It’s also entirely possible that achievements are only earned while connected to the Internet?

[merry tendon]

guys

how do i get fuel

like how do i make a fuel farm or sum

[ornate saffron]

Fuel is a oil peoduct

[merry tendon]

im on milestone 5

im using leaves to make power

[still stump]

As far as i know achivements should sync ones you connect to the internet and you have the game open

[ornate saffron]

Fuel is during phase 3 parts i think. Maybe tier 5

[merry tendon]

im on phase 0

do i just use leaves then?

[ornate saffron]

Yup

[reef basin]

you have codex, check there

[merry tendon]

how do i open that

[still stump]

That's what i thought, i'm trying to fix it that way, knowledge emperor ChatGPT says that it may take some time

[reef basin]

ADA tells you that like 2 minutes after you started the game lol

[merry tendon]

i forgot

[reef basin]

(also it's, displayed on bottom right of your screen)

[leaden turret]

asking chatgpt for help is like asking elon musk for a car

[merry tendon]

dude just say how pls

[still stump]

Its better than nothing 😅 (sometimes)

[reef basin]

I'd have to figure it out the same way you would. Much easier if you just check it yourself

and I can't open the game now

[leaden turret]

no car is better than a car from elon musk.

thus it follows that no help is better than help from massive copyright infringement chatgpt

[merry tendon]

all that yapping to say nothing

[reef basin]

is it that hard to look at bottom right of your screen?

[merry tendon]

i already figured it out

[reef basin]

nice 🙂

[grim ermine]

How is this even possible

[merry tendon]

biomass

[grim ermine]

I thought you said tier 5 lol

[rugged jasper]

the aluminum production is giving me headache

[opaque wren]

Do you have a remote factory?

I see a lot of people complaining about it but I don't see the big issue.

Just draw bauxite to a nice open area and plop the factory.

[merry tendon]

tier 5 phase 0

but im running out of leaves

[rugged jasper]

yes a small one, but I think I just need some time away from the game, and see it tomorrow with fresh eyes

[opaque wren]

Research biofuel. Then have a setup to convert leaves -> biomas -> biofuel and the same for wood -> biomas -> biofuel

[grim ermine]

Pretty sure you cant be phase 0 and tier 5?

[opaque wren]

Use biofuel output to feed your generators

[merry tendon]

how do i research something

[dense violet]

go into the MAM and feed it the parts it wants

[merry tendon]

the center thing?

[opaque wren]

I needs to be near water and it needs to be quite large due to refineries.

[merry tendon]

hub

[opaque wren]

I placed mine in the "ocean".

[dense violet]

just press E at the mam, or if you want to finish a milestone, at teh computer in teh hub

[reef basin]

depends what is the "something"

[merry tendon]

biofuel

[reef basin]

is that in-HUB milestone?

[rugged jasper]

I made it 20x20 to play around with, I think it will do till I figure it all out 🙂

[reef basin]

then just open HUB, select the milestone and provide the items for the research

[opaque wren]

It needs more. Way more.

think in groups of 480 bauxite input.

[reef basin]

well, depends on how much you want to make

[opaque wren]

That's true, of course. But considering phase 4 requirements I ended up with 3 setups of 480 bauxite inputs for aluminium casings and sheets

Pretty much any input you use for the phase8 endproduct (turbomotors) requires aluminiun casings.

[reef basin]

I'd start from end product to see how much I need before I'd start building it

[opaque wren]

You might be able to get away with less with various alternative recipes (I haven't unlocked all combos)

But either way, it's safe to say that one should consider a big space for aluminium production.

Even if not needed, at least consider future place for expansion.

Same thing with oil. THis #screenshots message is only to handle the BYPRODUCT of plastic and rubber.

[spare cradle]

That's only the byproduct?

[opaque wren]

Yes.

I haven't build any dedicated oil generator (only conversion from the byproduct).

Granted, that's with rocketfuel.

I even have a better option for oil residue but I would need to double that.

And since BPs are basically not applicable here, I don't really have the patience.

To manually place 170 generators.

[spare cradle]

I've only just built the guts of a turbofuel gen, and I'm having to add a plastic byproduct processor for the process that it takes

[rugged jasper]

yeah I am not going to build something like that right now.

[spare cradle]

It's basically Heavy Oil Residue (the recipe) --> Packaged Diluted Fuel --> Unpackage it --> Turbofuel.

[opaque wren]

I my case is: Oil residue -> Fuel -> Turbo fuel -> Rocket fuel => feed to generators

[spare cradle]

And I just remembered my blueprint included a Plastic residue refinery... I just gotta connect those as well.

[rugged jasper]

I will figure out something simple to get the first base materials in tier 7 😄

[spare cradle]

Mine only feeds into 32 fuel gens at 250%

[opaque wren]

Well depends how much you use, of course.

[rugged jasper]

no need for me to go all crazy with it when I don't know my future build, or what's coming next ^^

[opaque wren]

I started with 1 oilpipe of 300 for plastic and 1 for rubber

[spare cradle]

Bc I do not want to place *looks at calculations* 80 fuel gens

[opaque wren]

then I got low for both and I added another 600 oil for plastic and 600 for rubber

[spare cradle]

So I got it piped to a fancy 32 with a total of 96 shards

I only have 600/min turbo

[opaque wren]

so that's the byproduct of 1800 oil usage

[spare cradle]

I'm also not using all of my oil

This is only... 270 oil/min

The limiter is the coal

And just the compact coal factory that attaches to the gen

And I can have 3 more set ups of that I have bc the amt of oil

I love this game.

[wet tangle]

i dont know if this has been done before but im making a satisfacotry escape room. ovioulsy there are a few rules utherise you could just dismantale the walls T-T

[native tapir]

I might could help with that if you want advice

Me and a few others made a community event with factory cart racing. It was called Climbing the Corporate ladder.

One thing that we did was have a mod made that would prevent dismantle and build. Andre, Digby, Robb, and some other legends helped with that.

Are you on PC or console?

[wet tangle]

im on PC, but i dont want dismantle and building completely disables as some of the rooms im going to make will use items from dismantling or needing something to be build. so far my biggest restriction is ramps out of the one room i made it can be cheesed instanly with a ramp T-T

[graceful turret]

how do you guys do lighting? im trying to light up my factories and the light is super localised and seems dim

[native tapir]

It's doable. And you could almost certainly have a modder make a mod where only certain things can be dismantled.

Alternatively, if this is with trusted people, you can designate a specific color as "do not dismantle".

If you plan on hosting it on a public server you'll need anti cheat mod for sure.

We had trolls within ten minutes of going live with our event.

The coffee cup event mod made by Robb and andre prevents:

Build/dismantle
Sign edit
Map marker placement
Pinging
Drive vehicles other than factory cart
Access to advanced game settings

[wet tangle]

yeh i was gonna just put i sign that said "dont dismantle red items" "do dismantle yellow items" "you can build on blue items"

[native tapir]

Excellent idea if it's going to be a single player save or trusted friends

But seriously don't bother if you plan on a public server. You will have sw*stikas within 20 minutes unfortunately

[graceful turret]

thats just how people are ig

[wet tangle]

yeh no i was jst gonna give out the map like how they do it with minecraft escape rooms

[cyan oxide]

Playing multiplayer in this game is the most frustrating experience ever, people are soo controlling of what goes where and everything becomes a debate

[native tapir]

I will DM you. I have a pretty big group of people who do event stuff and big projects in this game. There was talk of an escape room for one of our 2026 projects. You might enjoy checking it out and possibly taking it on with some others 😁

[wet tangle]

cool cool

[candid knot]

I alt + tab out of the game now my game is really laggy. I restarted game and restarted computer but now it is laggy all the time was fine before this.

[zenith sage]

Crap... I didn't fully rethink the rebuilding of my power plant... All power is dead

[zenith pecan]

Ouch, did you knock it down without the replacement in place?

[zenith sage]

I kept the plant... forgot I needed compacted coal to feed it, which I knocked down...

[zenith pecan]

Eek!

[zenith sage]

Okay... it might not be so bad, luckily I have some geo generators nearby and sloop generators should cover the rest for now

[peak wasp]

It's been about five months since I last played the game because I got a factory I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to build while being aesthetically pleasing

Getting back into the game now though, and I've only now learned that, at some point in the past three months, I deleted the spreadsheet I made for that factory

The spreadsheet took like, two hours to make T_T

[coral marsh]

How often do people delete a world and start over

[ornate saffron]

Over ten runs I've done it twice.

[coral marsh]

Oh also, for the uranium node thats under ground, do people often track a train through the cave? Seems like something that'd be fun to do

[coral marsh]

1 out of 5, nice

[tropic elbow]

I've just started playing got to phase 4 in 110 hours. Thinking about restarting now because I now have a better idea on how to play. My second run threw is gonna be great

[ornate saffron]

Do many methods. Never trained tho.

I do like setting up some production in caves it gives sci-fi horror vibes with lumen on.

[coral marsh]

Fair

[ornate saffron]

I always think to myself can I just abandon the factories I have train the useful parts and just build else? If this is not feasible or I just ain't vibing i restart

[coral marsh]

Im thinking of deleting all my worlds, uninstalling all (except thorium) mods and restarting. I wanna try out using a train for every single uranium and thorium node the game has. 2 trains, 1 per material

I should keep the original world though, just take it back to before I enabled advanced settings

[ornate saffron]

Ive been thinking of quality of life vanilla mods.

Things like time control for day cycles. Infinite zoop, easy curves.

[coral marsh]

My mate and I wanna multiplayer the satisfactory+ mod

[coral marsh]

Ill keep inf zoop too

[ornate saffron]

I don't wanna add assets, just make some things easier

[coral marsh]

Yea

[ornate saffron]

By that I mean easier on my eyes and such lol.

I got laser eye surgery next week

[coral marsh]

Oh cool, good luck bro

[ornate saffron]

Im sure it'll be fine but I think I research to much. It looks like sci-fi horror surgery youd see in dead space or warhammer

[coral marsh]

Nah its fine

[ornate saffron]

Any other cool mods ?

[coral marsh]

Lemme have a look at my installed ones

[ornate saffron]

I joined the modding discord. Its not the most active group lol

[coral marsh]

Yea

[coral marsh]

So, ones I would reccomend are
BetterPowerStorage (100Mw changed to 500Mw)
Domain Expansion/Enhanced Depot
Inf Dismantle/Zoop
Mk+ Blade Runners
Packaging Matters (package dark matter residue and excited photonic matter)
Thorium
BluePrint Zooper
DDRate
And a couple extra storage inventory mods

Thorium is a cool one, its waste can be turned back into fuel rods

[queen slate]

Gl 😄 heard it’s good

[zenith sage]

Construction Preferences changed my life, setting build limits for belts, pipes and rails to 1km is amazing

[queen slate]

Is thorium a new ore from a mod?

[coral marsh]

Yes

[mortal ginkgo]

get the upgrade where you can see spiders with a red outline

[coral marsh]

It adds in about 4 or 5 thorium nodes across the map for a 4th nuclear fuel rod option which is 100% recyclable

[queen slate]

Why isn’t there a mod where every node turns to an impure limestone node

[queen slate]

Oh cool

[coral marsh]

Lmfao

[mortal ginkgo]

I KNOW RIGHT OMG SOMEONE REAL FOR REAL BROOOOOOOOO BIG DAWWWWWWWWWWWWG

[queen slate]

lol

[coral marsh]

Very, iirc you can turn the waste into uranium fuel rods too

[coral marsh]

That sticker is so adorable

[mortal ginkgo]

no u

[queen slate]

I haven’t touched nuclear yet fpgs seem a lot less complex without the waste

I’m gonna do 1 playthrough with vanilla then I’ll prob take a break and play hades 2

[mortal ginkgo]

heh, guy above thinks he can take a break from satisfactory

I kek at him. Very kek worthy individual indeed.

[ornate saffron]

I have a spider that lives in my bathroom. He just hangs out in the windows with a torn screen. Eating anything that dares enters my domain

[mortal ginkgo]

Spiders do be cool like that. I mostly let them go do their thing around.

What surprises me is the ones that I see at ceiling and in open is suddenly nowhere to be seen after 10 seconds of not looking at'em.

Like bro, where you gone.

[queen slate]

I hate spiders killing cats is a lot less scary

[mortal ginkgo]

eh, I over exposured myself while hunting for spheres. Now when I see them I am like "cool".

[ornate saffron]

I like both.

[queen slate]

Well now I actually have weapons they pretty easy

[ornate saffron]

But I ain't going anywhere near Australia

[hidden pebble]

Hi! Where can i ask mod related questions?

[unkempt blade]

Cats are way scarier. Mine attacks my socks IRL all the time while spiders just leave me alone and hang out in some corner of the ceiling

[queen slate]

But having a massive radioactive spider flying though the sky when u 10 hours in really does make your heart (at least mine) pound

[ornate saffron]

The mod discord would be best. You can find a link in #welcome

[queen slate]

Same

[ornate saffron]

At least for any trouble shooting and details

[viral hull]

hey, i just unlocked the +1 handslot research in the sulfur mam tree
but i didnt get an extra slot?

[queen slate]

Reload?

[viral hull]

i have

i tried locking and unlocking it with SCIM as well, didnt work

[queen slate]

Or someone else who knows

[queen slate]

If you open a questions and help someone who knows might be able to help

[ornate saffron]

Its a known bug and has multiple posts on the satisfactory q and a

I didn't go into the details of the posts. Youll have to dig to see if there is a solution

[viral hull]

i see, thanks

[ornate saffron]

My gut thought with no information to back up it is a issue with the order you unlock the inventory upgrades. That one is the final best upgrade but there is lesser upgrades in the game.

[viral hull]

it acted a bit odd too
when i got the "upgrade", it deleted the item in my third hand slot

[coral marsh]

i deleted 170 hours of gameplay on my original world, wanna start again on the nuclear base in a different area. no mods

[queen slate]

Gl

[coral marsh]

thanks

i'm gonna redo the entire nuclear base by grassy hills, to the left of it where all the reactors are gonna be below the peak of the waterfall so extractors don't have any trouble and all i'll need is to stack the reactors vertically

[queen slate]

I’ve never touched nuclear yet but sounds good 🙂

I’m not looking forward to automating 60 sinks for my radio control unit factories

[zenith pecan]

My old save had it as simple as it could possibly be, each reactor had its water immediately below it in the most straight forward and minimalist way possible. #design-and-architecture message

[coral marsh]

Placing them above the extractors is a fun and smart idea

Me personally, I dont wanna have to deal with pumps unless 100% necessary

So im gonna try and do a 3D stack of reactors in a hopefully very efficient layout so I dont have to deal with them as much.

[zenith pecan]

I just wanted simplified plumbing, with the exception of having the extractors level with the reactors feeding mouth to mouth, that was about as simple as I could do it.

[coral marsh]

Nah thats fair man

I also wanna manifold each reactor.

Ive got a starting idea, just need to develop it more

[zenith pecan]

I have done towers though, #satisfactory-experimental message , this is rocket fuel rather than nuclear, it was a piping pain in the rear but it outputs a lot of electric.

[sacred trail]

Does anyone have any idea why my second wagon is not unloading?

#screenshots message

[dusky hedge]

check that the station is set to unload

[zenith pecan]

Isn't each platform configured on its own?

[fickle locust]

If the receiving station is already mostly full the train won't unload any more

It looks to me like there's a backed up flow of ingots at that second station, but I'd love more pictures to feel more confident I understand what I'm looking at

[sacred trail]

That was it, sorry. Ty.

[zenith pecan]

When I last built it, I learned, very painfully that a nuclear fuel manifold was really really radioactive, mine was rebuilt as a 1>100 load balancer and it made the entire reactor hall rad-free.

[coral marsh]

Good to know

[ornate saffron]

I summoned you lol

[zenith pecan]

I saw the ping 🙂

[coral marsh]

Whats a load balancer look like again?

[ornate saffron]

Just giving you credit lol. I had to download that clip to watch it. Discord would crash if I tried to play it lol

[zenith pecan]

Load balancers are a complete pain to work with, so only use if you really mean it, this is a playlist of load balancers by numbers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5d4foufHGE&list=PLQo-FPWWaZE-jn38NUxfxh5S2VyJNjnO3

[ornate saffron]

A series of splitters and mergers designed to spread parts into desired quantities

[coral marsh]

Oh fuck me, no

Im sticking with manifolds

[zenith pecan]

This is the naked skeleton of the 1>100 #design-and-architecture message 🤣

[ornate saffron]

I only balance when absolutely needed. Like if im crafting exactly enough fuel rods.

[coral marsh]

Yea nah im still gonna manifold lmao.

I do not have the patience nor the care to load balance

[zenith pecan]

The reasoning behind that particular load balancer was to restrict the numbers of fuel rods, 200 on the map at any one time, no more, no less.

You could hug a reactor in my hall and never see the rad bar: #satisfactory-experimental message as shown here.

[quasi warren]

I need to start using those

[quasi warren]

I cant do no mods anymore- I found some mods that I just can't go without anymore

[coral marsh]

I may delete all of my blueprints except for the portable biomass one. Redo them all in a proper format

[coral marsh]

I can, but it takes discipline

I just wont play Minecraft vanilla anymore, I flat out refuse

[quasi warren]

Most games, when I try mods once. I couldn't go back to vanilla

[coral marsh]

I have a really good one for manufacturers and well, any large scale production machine

[quasi warren]

One mod for satisfactory i always use is refined power

That is one mod I can never go without.

[coral marsh]

Yee

Im just gonna use Inf zoop, blueprint Zooping and better power storage (changes the value from 100Mw to 500Mw)

[quasi warren]

I use inf zoop, I need blueprint zooping and better power storage

[coral marsh]

Its also customizable if you know how to access the mod file (actually no clear instructions for it anywhere either, which suck ass because I wanna change it to 1Gw per unit)

[quasi warren]

I know how to access it

[coral marsh]

Tell me how please

[quasi warren]

Dms

[coral marsh]

Yes

[unkempt blade]

questioning the design decisions of the creators is blasphmey

[quasi warren]

I have over 150 mods installed for satisfactory rn

[unkempt blade]

yikes

[quasi warren]

Its somehow still recognizable

[crisp solar]

Does oil work the same as water?

Like when it flows in pipes or is it more heavy I guess is was I’m asking 😅

[fickle locust]

Same physics for both liquids, I think the only thing in the game with "mass" is vehicles carrying different sizes of loads

[mortal stone]

Northern Forest base, can't decide if I should belt to the cave quartz nodes or just use the impure ones to the right.

[quasi warren]

Thats a thing???

[fickle locust]

I'm pretty sure trains have different acceleration profiles depending on how much stuff they're carrying. Certainly the more cars you have the more that slows them down

[drowsy kelp]

Mass increases as you add more stacks of items

It doesn’t matter what the stack size is

Same with liquids

Only number i remember is the dry mass of a train car, 14 tons

[half atlas]

You know what

These factories are not satisfactory, I will start applying tariffs to them until they become satisfactory

[drowsy kelp]

Tariffs on who? Yourself?

[crisp solar]

Oh really? I never knew that so a truck that’s empty compared to one full of steel they will act differently?

[drowsy kelp]

I don’t think wheeled vehicles do it

Just trains

[drowsy kelp]

The item itself doesn’t matter, what matters is how many stacks there are

[rain hollow]

I'm really not looking forward to automating heavy modular frames

And collecting Mercer spheres for depot upgrades

[limpid orchid]

I have to say i really fucking hate the Swamp. When i got the Nukes i will fucking nuke the whole Swamp.

[rain hollow]

Where is that?

[green fiber]

East

[fiery garden]

stack size also doesnt matter, nor whether it's a full stack. only the number of used inventory spaces.

[drowsy kelp]

Which is what i said?

[fiery garden]

yes

[green fiber]

Not accurate

[rain hollow]

It's like a weird green biome right? I think it was next to the lush forest place where you get water

[green fiber]

A full stack and a semi-full stack weight different amounts to the trains

[green fiber]

Grayscale filter biome

[quasi warren]

So if a train is filled up, its gonna be SLOW

[fiery garden]

that's news to me. did this change at some point?

[green fiber]

No just heavier and the locomotive accelerates slower

[drowsy kelp]

100 something tons per full car

[quasi warren]

What does heavier have to do with the trains? Will it affect it going up and down?

[green fiber]

No clue , but i did the tests and wrote the wiki page for locomotive weight and force as well as freighr cars

Read the freight car and locomotive wiki page guys

[drowsy kelp]

More mass means harder to accelerate and decelerate, it’s also more stuff to pull uphill

[green fiber]

!wikisearch electric+locomotive

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=electric+locomotive

[quasi warren]

...good to know

[green fiber]

Whether something weights 50 tons or 500 tons, it can move at the same speed.
The difference? The force needed to bring it up to speed quickly

[quasi warren]

...so its basic physics?

[green fiber]

And locomotives have a set limit of how hard each one can pull

Yes its physics based

More locomotives can pull heavier cars

[quasi warren]

What resources should I use in trains then? I never used em before

[green fiber]

And steep slopes makes cars heavier to pull

[green fiber]

Whatever you want. Every "full" stack of stuff weighs the same

A stack of 50 modular frames is the same as a stack of 200 iron plates

[drowsy kelp]

Or 500 leaves

[green fiber]

both are like 1.75 tons

A single coffee cup is also 1.75 tons

Cause they stack to 1 only

[quasi warren]

Even with modded stack changes?

[drowsy kelp]

Also i misremembered this, the actual car is 30 tons, the container the stuff goes in is 14 tons

[quasi warren]

Or is that not tested

[green fiber]

i think so

But i dont know, i dont test modded features

[quasi warren]

If its based on stacks, then maybe

[granite dove]

ive taken a pretty long break, since when was the priority merger added? ive had many an unnecessarily complicated setups just because i ddnt have that and i wanted things to happen in a specific order

[green fiber]

Since 1.1 i think

[quasi warren]

I never made trains before. Should I have trains go up??

[drowsy kelp]

1.1, yeah

[green fiber]

Try it

[drowsy kelp]

Have them go in the direction you need, if it can’t make the loop with a full load add another locomotive

[quasi warren]

So i could theoretically create a sky rail network

[green fiber]

Generally thats the strategy - you dont worry about balancing the weight, you just add locomotives until its enough to pull everything

[drowsy kelp]

You can’t build a rail steeper than a train can climb

[quasi warren]

No idea how steep i can build it anyways-

[green fiber]

2 m foundation roughly

[drowsy kelp]

Somewhere between the slope of a 2m and 4m ramp

[quasi warren]

oh

[granite dove]

you could always just coil it, satisfactory trains are far more generous than irl trains

[quasi warren]

So i should make a ground rail to start out? I dont build often

And my base rn is in the dune desert

[green fiber]

Try out whatever you need

You'll know what works for you and what doesnt

[quasi warren]

...fair enough

[quasi warren]

Coil it??

[drowsy kelp]

Make a spiral

[granite dove]

make it go around in a big spiral for vertical height changes

also if you want perfectly straight paths after a curved path build the straight part first and snap the curved part onto it

idk if that was ever fixed

[drowsy kelp]

Yeah because of how rails bend if you don’t enter a straightaway head-on it’ll wave back and forth the whole way

[quasi warren]

Oh my god that bug is REAL?!

[drowsy kelp]

It’s a bug?

[quasi warren]

I keep hearing that one song EVERY time I see a clip like that

[drowsy kelp]

What

[quasi warren]

And it never leaves my head

[granite dove]

yea but building the straight parts first bypasses it

[granite dove]

technically everything is behaving as intended but its annoying

[granite dove]

what song?

[quasi warren]

Sent dm

[serene salmon]

hello

[quasi warren]

Hello

[serene salmon]

how might you be doing good sir xno

[quasi warren]

Decent actually

[serene salmon]

well thats just amazing to hear

[native tapir]

You can

I don't know if I would recommend it

[serene salmon]

i once was messing around with trains in sandbox and i placed a rail on a rock and it for sum reason wrapped around the whole world and crashed my game

[drowsy kelp]

Oooo a very cheap world-wrapping rail

Gonna be pretty useless for anything but exploration tho because you can’t connect to rails in the middle

[serene salmon]

as long as it dosnt crash ur pc then easy way to unlock the whole map ig

[raven axle]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @somber smelt

[opaque wren]

Nuclear Pasta drains power like a blackhole

#screenshots message 15 GW on peak

[quasi warren]

JESUS-

[queen slate]

Wow

[serene salmon]

w-w wah

[merry tendon]

what is nuclear pasta

[opaque wren]

It's an end-game product.

[merry tendon]

and what does it do

make you full forever?

[opaque wren]

For the moment, it's my last requirement to unlock phase 5 (the last phase).

I imagine it has further uses on Tier9

[merry tendon]

why you writing like that

[ebon cobalt]

is there a way to have my trucks follow the path more closely?
i wanna set up a full road network between all my factories and hopefully look nice :3

[merry tendon]

theres trucks in this game???

[ebon cobalt]

its used for some nuclear power related thingies iirc
ficsonium fuel rods i think

[merry tendon]

when i think this game is complicated i remember the existence of dyson sphere program

[quasi warren]

Tractors, trucks, explorer, trains, drones

[opaque wren]

I would recommend to wait for trains and make a full network with that.

[quasi warren]

And factorio.

[opaque wren]

Factorio is much more complex mechanically.

[merry tendon]

i promise dyson sphere program is harder than satisfactory and factorio

[opaque wren]

No, it's not.

[merry tendon]

have u ever played it?

[opaque wren]

I have a 151 TW Dyson sphere.

[quasi warren]

I beaten it.

[merry tendon]

oh damn

[ebon cobalt]

"i play satisfactory surely dsp cant be that ba- what do you mean i need to route some of my output back to the input..."
the first game i ever used a spreadsheet for and im only starting oil production >^<

[quasi warren]

Can agree on this

[opaque wren]

For starters, Dyson sphere has state-of-the art blueprint mechanics.

[quasi warren]

And factorio does too. Both games does it really well

[ebon cobalt]

it is very nice just having a copy paste button

[warm crescent]

Does anyone know a close quartz spot in rocky desert or if there is an area to enter the caves without removing boulders? 🙈

[opaque wren]

Y, it was so easy to duplicate setup on Dyson sphere.

[merry tendon]

u guys ever play ksp?

[ebon cobalt]

but trucks :3

[quasi warren]

Trucks love to fly apparently

[ebon cobalt]

only when ur nearby
i found out recently for performance reasons they lose their physics and just teleport to the nodes when your far away

[opaque wren]

In terms of complexity, Factorio has the highest. The only game I would argue it competes with is Oxygen not included. (which is technically a colony game)

[ebon cobalt]

also @opaque wren how do u play satisfactory for 13 hours straight O-O

[merry tendon]

u ever play ksp?

[merry tendon]

rookie numbers

[toxic zenith]

So I'm vaguely aware of how enemy respawn mechanics work. What I'm definitely not used to is deconstructing a partially-built factory and instantly having 4 hogs appear right next to me that were previously cleared; I thought they wouldn't respawn within a certain distance of the player.

[merry tendon]

i once played one game for 65 hours straight

[merry tendon]

but i slept ofc

[opaque wren]

I don't play 13 hours straight. I go eat, shower, take a break. I just press escape and the game keeps logging I guess.

[merry tendon]

just left the game running

[ebon cobalt]

ksp is not comparable to factorio or satisfactory

[quasi warren]

I once played it for over 120 hrs

[merry tendon]

im not comparing

[sick falcon]

?? isn’t there nothing but solid ore in factorio

[quasi warren]

I did sleep ofc

[merry tendon]

im just asking

[ebon cobalt]

if there is powered things near them they wont respawn :3
just shove down a biomass burner and add some fuel
(havent tested this so u might need to add a machine :P)

[native tapir]

Powered factories determine whether it respawns

[merry tendon]

ok im gonna play satisfactory now

[ebon cobalt]

i wish lmao
there is also oil :3 and other fluids i have yet to find

[merry tendon]

what part of tier 1 do i go for first?

[toxic zenith]

That I was aware of; I just didn't think they'd respawn within 30 seconds of me cutting power when I was right there. (Also, I love your Reddit content, thank you for being amazing.)

[sick falcon]

whichever looks coolest

[tall lantern]

or most useful

[opaque wren]

Biofuel probably

[ebon cobalt]

bro i came to talk here while i wait for autocrafting screws... i now have 3,100 screws in my inventory...

[tired trout]

Are there any creators out there that have a good set of basic blueprints? Stuff like 20 smelters, 20 constructors, with connections that make sense, stuff like that?

[ebon cobalt]

focus on base building and logistics but everything in tier 1 is very nice to have :3

[opaque wren]

#screenshots message

This was today's project.

Because..motors

[merry tendon]

dude why is there a whale with thin long legs

[ebon cobalt]

see that makes sense cus its screws and u need alot
these are just sitting in my inventory... existing

[opaque wren]

You don't need them for any buildings

so just delete them from inventory

[ebon cobalt]

awsome shop

[opaque wren]

Unless you plan to manually craft stuff

[ebon cobalt]

im currently rebuilding all my factories to actually look nice
and i wanna stop manually crafting as soon as i can (modular frame production is the current project in my world :3)

[ornate saffron]

Up to you. Youll get it all eventually. I like building on foundations. So I tend to do that first

[opaque wren]

You can't really build much without splitters either

and MAM research can unlock some nice things early

but usually at tier 1, you want foundation - just to have a setup for your first factory

and then move everything on foundations

[merry tendon]

i had to build a 500m long conveyor just to get copper delivered near my hub

[cyan prism]

500m long conveyor
You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers!

[merry tendon]

its super slow tho

took like 2 minutes to reach the storage

[ornate saffron]

Storage? Why not direct to machine

[merry tendon]

because why not

also

what does a space elevator do

is it not the same thing as the one in the hub?

[ornate saffron]

You put your project parts for the phase into it. Build it for more information

[merry tendon]

thats the same thing as the one in the hub

[ornate saffron]

No.

Same concept greater scale

[merry tendon]

well are you sure its worth it?

[tall lantern]

HUB for milestones, Spelevator for phases

[merry current]

no, hub is for phase research, space elevator is for plot delivery

[merry tendon]

its very expensive

[tall lantern]

you have to have one to progress beyond your current phase

(and complete its task)

if it's too expensive, increase your production

[ornate saffron]

Worth it? Only if you wish to proceed through the game

[merry tendon]

ok

im gonna save up the resources

[fickle locust]

Expensive in this game is a relative term
Make more stuff per minute and all of a sudden the costs don't seem so great anymore

[covert quarry]

how do you unlock the smart splitter?

[tall lantern]

MAM research

caterium tree IIRC

[covert quarry]

thx

[merry current]

so something I didn't learn until last week, after 3 prior attempts at getting this finished, is that you can drop more than one little mining machine on a node. For the first few goes at the game, I was only dropping one miner to get 100 resources at a time on the center of each node, made for slow manual mining early game. Create 10 of them and drop em all and suck up that SAM and quartz and whatnot when you find it 🙂

[leaden matrix]

I dont think I could've handled only using 1 in the early game </3

Would've taken years😭

[ornate saffron]

You can do that when the miner is on the node as well. Then when you are ready to turn on your manifolds pick up your little miners and hand feed the ore into the machines to help reduce the wind up time

[undone citrus]

I should get back into satisfactory

Never finished my steel factory

[hardy wigeon]

did you play before or after beta?

[strong fiber]

You literally cant progress without it

[ornate saffron]

You can lead someone away from the factory but you can't cut the life line. They will be back.

The factory must grow

[strong fiber]

🗣️

[undone citrus]

Me? I've only played recently but haven't played much since Christmas

[hardy wigeon]

oooh ok. i was asking because if you played before 1.0 its really better to start over

[undone citrus]

Yeah nah I stated December 4th

[hardy wigeon]

then yep time to get back to that steel factory.

[ornate saffron]

My update 7 save is underwater and broken

[undone citrus]

It's almost ready I just need a tiny bit of oil

[hardy wigeon]

my save was fine but people (without getting spoilery) told me how there was a big story change wtih the mercer spheres and stuff and you should start over

[undone citrus]

I'm not even using that stuff on my world

Cause we have plans to just trade everything we need between people

[ornate saffron]

Mercer spheres? You will. Oh yes. You will

[undone citrus]

Not on this one

[hardy wigeon]

his server is communist

no mercer spheres under communism

[undone citrus]

Lol

I just want to highly encourage trading for items youre short on so were forced to build a cool train network

[ornate saffron]

In soviet ficsit, mercersphere uses you!

[hardy wigeon]

hahaha

but hi trains are cool.

ill be starting on a train soon actually

[strong fiber]

What about solid steel ingot?

Or u using coke steel

[undone citrus]

More annoying to do with my set up

Coke steel is easier for bulk

[strong fiber]

ok

[undone citrus]

I don't have enough coal nearby for solid steel

Cause I need 1400 and only have access to 600 max

The rest is used for my power

[hardy wigeon]

go find far coal. big coal train. problem solved

bonus! you get a new train

[undone citrus]

Nah

I can't do that with our rules

Cause we've essentially claimed territories

[hardy wigeon]

oooh

[undone citrus]

So getting random coal could be stealing

But I have more than enough oil

And it's pretty close to my factory

If I did my math right and remember the recipes I was going to use I believe I needed less than 200 oil for everything

And I have like 1500 oil or something

[covert quarry]

is there any way to change the color of the ui in terms of the menu u get when interacting with machines? the bright white is so annoying doesn't let me read anything

[glass pagoda]

Wdym

[covert quarry]

lets say u configure with an oil extractor

u get all the info right how much it extracts per minute, power usage etc.

[glass pagoda]

No way to change that i think

Color is always white

[covert quarry]

sucks tho, thx for ur help still

[glass pagoda]

Yw

[glass pagoda]

What's bad with it some settings could help

Lowering brightness helps

[covert quarry]

tried that

[covert quarry]

this i didn't, thank you 🙂

[glass pagoda]

Or when at night if you have the computer setting you can put on night mode and that makes your screen have a slightly yellow tint, reducing blue light whilst still maintaining an experience where the color is generally not that different

[covert quarry]

unfortunately i'm not on pc so i'll just mess with my tv setting then ty

[glass pagoda]

Do you have an LG TV?

[covert quarry]

i mean it's 15 years old...

[glass pagoda]

Does it work good

[covert quarry]

yes

[glass pagoda]

LG has a setting in its display options called cinematic mode and that sort of acts as a tint or you could just check if your regular TV has somthing similar

[split condor]

I am thinking about swamp or dune desert for a large nuclear plant. Which is better ?

[covert quarry]

i found a really beautiful and big spot in dune desert, it has rocks in front of the water source tho

[glass pagoda]

Depends how are you delivering the uranium and how big will the factory be also what place is closer to the uranium and what place is closer to your hub

[covert quarry]

i'll keep messing with it, appreciate ur help!

[split condor]

Meh I have a 2 track rail all the way around outside of map

[glass pagoda]

Yw

[split condor]

So either is ok

[glass pagoda]

That will take a lot of time to complete a round trip and that will cause your power to fluctuate making power outages quite common

And what is the size of this factory?

[split condor]

No idea planning now thinking about 150 nuclear plants or so, But I wanted to use 2 normal nodes of uranium, over clocked to 250

[glass pagoda]

Alright please be patient while I type this

[split condor]

I will move into tier 9 plutonium once I unlock if that helps your answer

But want to get zero waste now then modify later

[glass pagoda]

The train being so big is a huge disadvantage as it won't provide consistent power. Lets look at the swamp first. It has lots of water and is flat in a lot of sections however the pillers make it so In a lot of places you will have to have your factory higher and that may lead to power issues due to having to use a pipe lift thingy the enemy's are also tough there and you will need tons of radiation filters to go there but its a good place. On the other hand we have the dune desert a place without lots of water but its oasis should sustain you very flat ground but tons of plants near water so clearing might have to be done if you are building on ground level. Has enemy's that are dangerous but more spread out lots of options you should look into it and pick ur fav

Sorry I mean rolling terain

But it is good for large scale factorys

[split condor]

I have automated iodine filters and Rifle ammo

[covert quarry]

if im not wrong, residual fuel is the same as fuel right? just has a diffrent name cz the recipe is diffrent?

[split condor]

Thank you. Keep planning.

[drowsy kelp]

The recipe is residual fuel, the item is just fuel

There’s no difference between the items of alternate recipes

Fuel is fuel

[glass pagoda]

Also i haven't gotten to nuclear fual so this is just general advice id recommend asking @ greeny or someone else with lots of experience

[glass pagoda]

But there is with output

Also sniff

[drowsy kelp]

What

[split condor]

Ok.

[forest osprey]

what do i connect the assembler to?

[sinful goblet]

do i need to think of how much the pipes is Tilting when i build the coal powered engery?

[fluid crow]

yes

gravity and pipes is a thing

[worthy hemlock]

Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out train signals (path and block) as I've finally completed my dual track network around the map. When I'm trying to add signals to a junction for a branch from the main line, I keep running into "Signal Loops Into Itself" errors no matter what I do.

I've even setup a super basic example that I followed step by step from someone on youtube, but am still getting that error. Could anyone who knows this stuff well kindly hop on a 5 min call with me? I'm starting to lose my mind, I've been at this for over an hour on a dead simple junction with no progress.

Please let me know if there's a better chat channel to post this to if not appropriate here

[limpid orchid]

I just exploreed a bit and placed over the Whole map now Radio Stations and i noticed. There are only 5 Uranium Ore and not even 1 is Pure,

[feral jay]

yup

[fickle locust]

Uranium has bonkers energy density. You don't need a pure node ☢️