satisfactory

[sterile blade]

Whatever you've used up to now, unless there's something you like more?

[dense violet]

define 'efficient' 🙂 you have to pick which resources yo uhave to save on

and what alt recipes will depend on what location you're building in

[sterile blade]

"Efficient" is a subjective parameter anyway, you should act towards whatever kind of efficiency you wish to pursue

[frail grotto]

I don't want copper in the system so coal and iron would be good

[dense violet]

for example this is ACUs with base recipes https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ba0A5oGjlzMUnQiOFq2z

you could swap out recipes to see the changes and match with locations on the map you might want to build

[willow oar]

Do you think they'll add another map?
I don't feel likes a new start on this game makes sense to me as there is only one map, and you can easily continue like new on a new part...
But a new planet, l'une after the end would makes sense to me, but given the map is handcrafted... Would take crazy times to the devs... So I dunno if they plan to do it.

[dense violet]

Looking at that plan I could cut out copper and coal ? does that help?

[frail grotto]

yeah but how much more iron will I need

[dense violet]

depends on what alts you want 🙂

with 1 alt for circuit boards you'd need caterium instead, but you COULD do electrode CBs and only use oil

[limpid iron]

imo its better to just go and find out, use production calculators if needed

[lapis shadow]

#screenshots message Yes that's what I would kinda expect but can you use a logistics florr set below for pipes without it giving you tons of flow issues? Like would the design I linked circumvent flow issues much or no? I guess a pipe logistics floor would be better above the machine floor 🤷‍♂️

[dense violet]

like this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=n7R0wBk2r3Z5TVFMnylZ

[dense violet]

it wouldn't help if all the input pipes were going up no

you could put them in the ceiling if you want but I find that awkward

[lapis shadow]

So are pipes kinda unpopular to use in logistics floors?

[dense violet]

I mean you could run them undergroudn the whole way until you started feeding the machines and bring the mup?

[dense violet]

or run lower flow pipes and use a decent loop - it's a little harder but if you run 300 flow pipes with this it should work pretty easily https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1416562932279672882/image.png?ex=69700c89&is=696ebb09&hm=b1fb4710586ab15fa92a23b0c1d3efb4b6a8ff62930671ff8f8903e6620323a0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[lapis shadow]

I had just seen someone have a pipe logistics floor under their coal machines at their plant and it seems to work just fine so I was wondering if that was a good method

[sterile blade]

Not for me, but overall there is some fear towards bottom-feeding. I reckon that to many it isn't as "intuitive" as other methods

[dense violet]

coal power plants are much more resilient to bullshit in pipe layout

[frail grotto]

where could I make this on the map

[dense violet]

use the online map and select those nodes and see 🙂

[leaden turret]

• first map took 6-8 years along with the rest of the game, so you'd be looking at that as an upper limit on a new map
• don't need a new planet when we've only been on one half-manhattan-sized continent
• game wasn't built with map editing tools in mind, so not likely to get a purpose-built map editor
• modded maps do exist, but they're not exactly as a common as recipe/building mods, for example (ask about those on the modding discord if nobody here has pertinent input)

[willow oar]

There's no info on the future outside of the tease they made for 1.2... I have no idea what they're planning after, or if we will get big things

[leaden turret]

!wikisearch Future content

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Future+content

[humble osprey]

i have never made a dedicated modular frame factory btw

i craft every single one by hand

[fluid crow]

That's how my grandpa did it

[barren tulip]

why not

[fiery kraken]

Man, I really want to play Satisfactory right now, but I don't know how to deal with the trains I set up.

[red sun]

do what i do, rip em down, start again, get burned out, quit the game again

efficiency

[barren tulip]

i just don't do anything with intersections and run a single loop with 4 trains on it

[fiery kraken]

A single loop would be impractical with how the train stations are placed.

[red sun]

could have one main loop and sort of collector tracks branching off?

that's how i'd go about it anyway

[dense violet]

better make 2 lanes then 🙂

[fiery kraken]

There's not enough space for two lanes, since I want the train tracks to go with the terrain.

[dense violet]

I am happy to refute you on this 🙂 #design-and-architecture message

join the Stacked Rail Gang! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1360987971435630683/unknown.png?ex=69703c92&is=696eeb12&hm=cc7b4e4b430a39c880fe0ed6079d0af5745567fd5fdf4b89bf1d8763156a0d8b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[fiery kraken]

Damn, that looks awesome.

[clear mesa]

huh...stacked rail actually looks cleaner than i thought

[dense violet]

and it works basically the same as side by side rail 😉

[dense violet]

thanks! I also wanted to hug the terrain and keep it low

[clear mesa]

Yeah I can see that...wow making me want to redo my rail logistics

[dense violet]

my advice is to put stations to the side at a mid way height between the two rails , that way on and off ramps are easier

[clear mesa]

Yeah that was actually about to be my question, do you have images for reference?

[dense violet]

no actually sorry xD that was a short rail system that I paused because 1.0 was coming and I never went back to it

[clear mesa]

Since I'm not sure I exactly get what you mean but I'm sure I could find a way myself through trial and error

[dense violet]

but it really shouldn't be any dif to regular stations next to rail

one sec

[clear mesa]

thank u :p

[fiery kraken]

Here's what's my problem is in the game. #screenshots

[dense violet]

yeah bit of a mess 🙁 zoop foundations the whole way and plan off that

[dense violet]

like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1423745447477903480/image.png?ex=69707886&is=696f2706&hm=0ec56093171a3dda13caab2846b5b60d0eb0989cb66b3ff700480b17f65602c9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=283

[fiery kraken]

Screw it, I'm starting the railways over.

[reef basin]

Better to put these in #design-and-architecture , so that you don't have to switch between channels

[short fiber]

The first ingredient has entered the phase two space elevator!

Now i just wait 2 hours

[bleak scaffold]

do yall have the safe file of lets game it out

[dense violet]

he prob has a discord you could ask about it

[silent pagoda]

is there a way to feed multiple inputs by rail to the same location under the following criteria:

1. Import location has only one station
2. export stations have full freight loaders
3. excess resources are left at the export station (i.e. not sinking excess at the import location)

been racking my brain for a while about this

[leaden turret]

that's what train signals are for, so the trains don't go kaboom

[silent pagoda]

i think you misunderstand me, the problem isn't trains crashing into each other, it's the items within them i'm having issues with

[bleak scaffold]

trains?

[leaden turret]

I take it you're not using empty platforms to segregate resources?

[silent pagoda]

i'm trying to avoid doing that, see criteria 2

this game doesn't have any sort of logic system yet does it?

[leaden turret]

then you need to use smart/programmable splitters to separate resources on the import side

[silent pagoda]

but then where do the excess resources go?

is it impossible under the criteria i set out?

[leaden turret]

fix your math to not have an excess 😛

[silent pagoda]

excess because the export is feeding multiple locations, but i'm guessing you're saying it's impossible

[leaden turret]

if the import station is full, incoming train can't unload

[noble stratus]

#math-and-meta message could someone give me a quick answer?

[leaden turret]

there's a mod for that

[silent pagoda]

ah well, thanks for your help anyway

[rare thunder]

heh more like diddysfactory

[dense violet]

yeah this game is not like factorio. The design structure is totally different. It's based on constant production and consumption - so you send exactly what you need where you need it

[green fiber]

Are you doing sushi here? Or is it only one type of resource being loaded

Trains do have some load settings, but the logic is kinda broken atm. And i dont think any apply to this case

[mortal ginkgo]

Multiple items in one freight doesn't work. I mean, trains pathing system is even too basic for what one can do with.

When it comes to train, think of them as long conveyor belts made easy and fancy and just a bit more upgrade, but nothing more.

[zenith sage]

There's no way to shut down generators so they can fill up without removing power lines, right?

[silent pagoda]

you can use a power switch

caterium research tree

[zenith sage]

Oh, I thought it wouldn't work, since generators work even if the power line isn't connected to anything

[silent pagoda]

which generator are you using?

[nocturne cairn]

You can make a separate network with generators and then overload it (so the fuse breaks)

[zenith sage]

Fuel

[green fiber]

That indeed doesnt work

[zenith sage]

That... would be very hard...

[green fiber]

The generators dont get tripped / stopped unless you make a switch for every single generator

which would be insane tbh

And even then i think it might not work

[zenith sage]

I wish they changed it to "generators start working only if there is any consumption in the grid"

[leaden turret]

how would you power the device that monitors that

[leaden turret]

why not supply them with resources at a faster rate than they consume?

[zenith sage]

Last time I checked the power poles "monitor" that, and they work on magic hah

[zenith sage]

True.. but I like prefilling stuff for whatever reason

It's fine the first one around, since I can just connect them last, but if I'm expanding or troubleshooting stuff it gets annoying

[leaden turret]

🌈 buffers 🌈

connect a buffer at the end, it fills up, connect it to the expansion when you're done building it, flood fill

[zealous urchin]

what if u revert the buffert verticaly

[sacred trail]

I have a factory that can make 1800 nodes per minute. There's no way I can pull it off right? Since the belt only does 1200 pm. Is there any workaround?

[zenith sage]

What single machine makes 1800 of a single product per minute..?

[zealous urchin]

mod that lets u attach spliters and pipe junctions directly on machines

[dense violet]

use more than 1 belt?

[zenith sage]

Would it work..? Doesn't the mod work in a way, that it puts a mk6 belt inside?

[sacred trail]

How can I use more than 1 belt directly on a refinery?

[zenith sage]

What are you making..?

[dense violet]

you don't have to have a system that has more than one machine make 1800 pm

[sacred trail]

What? I don't undertand what you meant.

[dense violet]

use more than 1 machine to make 1800 parts per min

I don't think there's any recipe in teh game that makes 1800pm from 1 machine

[sacred trail]

Sure it does. Let me show you.

[scenic mirage]

unless you sloop

[dense violet]

oh slooping
that's a you problem at that point. Don't sloop to more than 1200

again - use more than 1 machine if you want to make 1800 pm

[sacred trail]

Ok

[dense violet]

I wish they'd never introduced sloops.

[zenith sage]

Why

[dense violet]

because duping items is dumb? it's a play less mechanic.

Great you made a whole factory that makes 10 nuclear pasta pm.

you poke some sloops in and suddenly it's 20... yaaaay. What a great part of design and building

[ivory condor]

here we go

[zenith sage]

Sure.. you can sloop a whole of 26 4 input machines in the entire save.. wouldn't call it game breaking

[dense violet]

it's not even game breaking, it's just dumb.
you might as well just have a mechanic that you decide what the output is

[ivory condor]

yeah given how limited it is, its a none issue

[dense violet]

500% output from same material? sure, why not

[ivory condor]

I could understand if slooping was cheap, but it isnt and sloops are limited also, plenty of balance with the mechanics

[scenic mirage]

i just beat the game yesterday... idk what to do now

[ivory condor]

sure if you look at the per output it might look over powered, when you consider the cost of every machine and the limited amount of sloops, its well balanced imo anyways

[zenith sage]

We have a magic inventory, but doubling a few machine outputs is dumb? 🤔

[scenic mirage]

ig start a new save

[ivory condor]

we also have a magic gun that can material whole buildings in a few seconds

also bps, materialize whole factory floors in a few seconds also

dont forget we basically carry around a pocket dimension also

so magic gun, magic inventory, we are wizards🧙‍♂️

[dense violet]

yeah the dim depots are fairly dumb too. Cut out the need for making a proper logistic and travel system to move material

[dense violet]

create a new project of your own in a creative like map since you're making everything

[ruby jay]

Some would define gravity not affecting buildings kind of magic too

[scenic mirage]

ig but i also learned a lot and wanna build stuff differently

[ivory condor]

makes sense, we are wizards after all, gravity doesnt apply to us

[zenith sage]

Does it...? You can't use them in automation and without them you'd just need to run around more for building new outposts

[ivory condor]

well gravity affects the pioneer which is interesting but not the buildings

[zenith sage]

Besides, it's not mandatory, anyone can play however they want

[scenic mirage]

noooo you have to play this way!!!

[ivory condor]

inb4 there is only one intended way to play

also inb4 your playing the game wrong, this is the only way apu

[ivory condor]

but really thats why these debates always end up sounding dumb, because your basically arguing against what is clearly intended and how do I know, because the devs put it in the game for us to play and use....

[leaden turret]

stealing resources from players idle crafting other dimensions

[ivory condor]

but also i like thats its only as options, the game doesnt force you down any path, you can pick the one you want, which I do like games that give you choices

[dense violet]

delete most of yoru factories and do it dif 🙂

[leaden turret]

making sloops an artificial lizard doggo

[ivory condor]

personally for example i basically never sloop at all but instead use it for power only, but its nice to have it as options to boost specific production lines if you want

[dense violet]

yes because it used to be more important to have infrastructure to move things around.
hell central depots were never a great option but they were a tool for it. Now they're purely aesthetic

[ivory condor]

which I like about sloops also, in game it has multiple uses

[bleak scaffold]

how to send pictures

why cant i send pictures

[dense violet]

this is basically the only channel yo ucan't put pictures in

[leaden turret]

people can't be trusted with them

[scenic mirage]

"nooooo you have to play it this way!!!11!!1!"

[ivory condor]

didnt you know, there is only one intended way to play

but really i do like this game has multiple ways you can play and all are perfectly fine

[mortal ginkgo]

my plan of having 120/min fisco fuel rods thanks to slooping 60/min production will lead to my RUIN.

[zenith sage]

Sure... and the game used to didn't even have trains or pipes...

[mortal ginkgo]

it should be a CRIME to sloop last items, I tell you!

[scenic mirage]

i slooped all of phase 5 basically

[ivory condor]

soon

[scenic mirage]

except pasta i had so many storages full of those

[mortal ginkgo]

go jail pls, like, right now

[edgy nacelle]

I slooped all of phase 5 too and in 3 seconds, it is finished

[scenic mirage]

bringing you w me

[dusky hedge]

sloops should have a life span

[mortal ginkgo]

you got a cute pfp, you dont go jail, you pass.

[edgy nacelle]

complete 😄

[bleak scaffold]

check screenshots

[ivory condor]

1.2 is going to removing slooping and dimension depots due to player feed back, looking forward to it

[scenic mirage]

sir thats a drawing

[mortal ginkgo]

Sorry bro but I am doing good for the COMMUNITY as everyone else plays wrong by NOT tapping impure limestone nodes.

I am too valuable to be removed.

Sorry not sorry, bozo.

Rip. Kek. Bur.

[bleak scaffold]

im making a conveyor belt tornado right now

[mortal ginkgo]

I can find images cute no? Like I got thousands of impure limestone images.

[mortal ginkgo]

Jail, fast.

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
dont make me move my hub

[bleak scaffold]

the same node that im using for the conveyor belt tornado

[frail grotto]

who has an all in one adaptive control unit blueprint

or something close to it

[ivory condor]

LGIO is that you?

[mortal ginkgo]

Can you please +18 spoiler tag that image? There are some youngsters here. 😭

[dusky hedge]

depots could just be limited to certain types of items, liks slugs , remains etc
or just limited in number of different items

[frail grotto]

yo guys how do i get past phase 2 without burning out

[zenith sage]

Automate?

[mortal ginkgo]

I thought phase 3 was the burn out phase...

[frail grotto]

going towards phase 3

adaptive control units

[scenic mirage]

phase 4 almost had me

[sacred trail]

I got burn out on each phase. Now that I finished that I actually fully automate everything.

[frail grotto]

i despise them

[mortal ginkgo]

phase 4 is big BRRRRRRRRRRRROTHERMAN moment of heck but you get lots of tools too.

[zenith sage]

I feel like adaptive control units were easier to set up than modular engines tbh

[frail grotto]

cmon guys give tips

i set up modular engines

[zenith sage]

Build outposts and trains? 🤔

[frail grotto]

idk im kinda lazy

what does satisfactory have to offer in phase 3

[frail grotto]

i have set up trains but its all spaghetti

i want to build something clean for once

[zenith sage]

Then take a break from adaptive units and build something neat

Lots of options

[sacred trail]

I only got one train, I mostly do drones and really big belts. Hehehe

[mortal ginkgo]

Am I being a silly goober here?

He is going towards phase 3 so he must be at phase 2, but he has trains?

or does he mean finishing phase 3?

[frail grotto]

bruh

[mortal ginkgo]

WHAT DOES HE MEAN WITH ALL THIS?!?!?!?

[frail grotto]

im tier 6

going towards phase 3 means i already finished phase 2

[zenith sage]

Then technically you're already past phase 2 hah

[frail grotto]

yes

[mortal ginkgo]

dont bruh me when you are saying stuff wrong.

1- Towards Phase 1 = 50 plates
2- Towards Phase 2 = More Plates, Frames and Wires
3- Towards Phase 3= Silly Engines, Silly Frames, Silly Units
4- Ur mom
5- Ur dog

[frail grotto]

missinput i guess

[frail grotto]

ur life is all just sunshine and rainbows huh

silly engines silly frames?

[mortal ginkgo]

Anyway, if your "phase 3" is burning you out, you are not prepared for finishing and see what comes next.

[frail grotto]

now you hating huh

did you get "offended"

[sterile blade]

This node is getting cheekier everyday!

[mortal ginkgo]

tell me which part you saw "hate".

[frail grotto]

telling me im not prepared implies hate

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah and I am getting offended for some reason by what the bruh says above.

I mean, he doesn't get it. He doesn't understand it. He lives in a society.

[mortal ginkgo]

HOLY HELL.

[ivory condor]

its becoming more impure with time

[mortal ginkgo]

Progressing backwards, fission mailing successfuly!

[zealous urchin]

u see that dangerous himalayan mountain range? u are not prepared for that challenge, many ppl died
I SEE HAAATE

[frail grotto]

pretty sure limestone is the least important node

[mortal ginkgo]

Wow, I bet you are a mountain-hater. Shame on you.

[frail grotto]

thats a whole different story

[mortal ginkgo]

wow, so much hate, so much offense, so much anger, so much hatred.

[ivory condor]

ok very impure limestone node

[mortal ginkgo]

Imagine impure node is so impure that you can only manual mine it kek

[zealous urchin]

imma mountain salt hater 🗿

[frail grotto]

yes i am very angry

[mortal ginkgo]

I will tweet and reddit post spam you and ur mom

[frail grotto]

oh wow

[ivory condor]

so impure that even mk3 fully overclocked gives 0.5/min limestone

[zealous urchin]

do it

[frail grotto]

i bet youre the stereotypical chronically online guy

[mortal ginkgo]

You will really feel angry when you see what "Phase 4" asks of you. So take it as a preparation I guess.

[frail grotto]

ur mom in the big 26'

[ivory condor]

when you realize it there is many degrees of purity, things infact can become more impure

[mortal ginkgo]

bro you need to be angy and sad and be like, not cool. You are cool so I can't do it. Can you stop being reasonable? God. Some people these days.

[frail grotto]

can things become negativley impure?🤔

[mortal ginkgo]

You really shouldn't bet, imply etc. You are not good at this whole ordeal.

[ivory condor]

yes

[frail grotto]

ok

[ivory condor]

so impure it loops backwards and becomes pure

[frail grotto]

idk about that honestly

[zealous urchin]

do i know you? no

[ivory condor]

trust the science

[frail grotto]

didnt mean to reply to you but sure i guess

[mortal ginkgo]

you do realise that you can put like 69+ industrial storages to buffer up what impure limestone provides, so when you link a mk6 belt to output and it acts like Pure Limestone Node?

I mean, are you really THIS of a silly goob? Why are you like this?

[frail grotto]

it takes time tho

60 seems worse than 240 huh

[zealous urchin]

so u cant take responsibility for ur words, good to know

[mortal ginkgo]

ok phase 3 guy

[ivory condor]

sure it will act like a pure limestone, until the ISCs run out

[sterile blade]

So impure it starts making other ores instead

[frail grotto]

ok cronical satisfactory player

dont have the time to reach phase addicted a.k.a phase 5

[mortal ginkgo]

Maybe you should plan your factory accordingly so it doesn't?

I mean I am providing solutions but can't fix "you problems" in your game, BRUH.

[frail grotto]

who highlights words in the big 26

you got an internet personality going on i see

[ivory condor]

ok very very impure limestone node

[mortal ginkgo]

listen I told you little guy, you really should stop gambling, betting, guessing, implying stuff. You are not good at this.

[frail grotto]

little guy?

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now I am reporting you to mods. Thats an I N S U L T

[frail grotto]

timmy tuff knuckles over here

anyways thanks for the help i guess

[ivory condor]

the limestone node is progressing into greater levels of impurity

[frail grotto]

0 progres towards ACUs

i see

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you are just jealous of my "potential".

[zealous urchin]

0 progress toward being the bigger person

[frail grotto]

why does bro react to every message i send tho

[frail grotto]

erm ok ?

wasnt even talking to you why you hating

[sterile blade]

Enough with the drama 🙏

[mortal ginkgo]

We got a gambling addict, they come with the drama.

I mean, such is life.

[frail grotto]

i love gambling tho'

[ivory condor]

ok very very very impure limestone node

[mortal ginkgo]

You are REALLY bad though and should stop.

[frail grotto]

i bet all of my skins in cs and i lost it all

[mortal ginkgo]

I am reporting you to Donald Trump. See you out there lil bro.

[frail grotto]

but its fine

its the thought that counts right?

[mortal ginkgo]

you are a CS player? This suddenly explains everything and I apologise and take every single word I said to you back.

[frail grotto]

hm

interesting

[ivory condor]

oh no is the limestone node becoming more pure

[frail grotto]

i assume youre a valorant and league of legends player

[mortal ginkgo]

The things you guess wrong about me right now is in 100% efficiency. I think you are good at this gamble-lose thing.

[frail grotto]

ok then say it yourself

[mortal ginkgo]

I really think people like you need help, and I can't even joke with them so I take everything I say back.

[frail grotto]

HAHA

really offended now huh

[mortal ginkgo]

No no, its just I really think he needs help. Otherwise I stay impure.

[frail grotto]

tell me what help i need

[ivory condor]

can impure limestone nodes be offended

[frail grotto]

il wait

[rare thunder]

play factorio

[mortal ginkgo]

Factorio has issues.

[frail grotto]

2d game idk abt that

[mortal ginkgo]

Several people typing oh God

[rare thunder]

it's literally better than satisfactory

[zealous urchin]

according to Deepak Chopa they have consciousness so they can

[mortal ginkgo]

I disagree.

[scenic mirage]

nah

[frail grotto]

give reasons

[eager palm]

Subjective.

[sterile blade]

Ragebaty

[frail grotto]

why are you even here in the first place

if you are a so called "Factorio player"

[mortal ginkgo]

He can be in two discords while thinking one game is better than the other.

There is no rule saying otherwise.

[zealous urchin]

its all fun and games untill im gonna whip out "kebab is better"

[rare thunder]

blueprints are better
trains actually work
better verticality
PVE doesn't suck

[ivory condor]

wait what this is a thing?!

[rare thunder]

2 cakes are better than 1

[frail grotto]

buddy its done stop hating we are on the same team now

[zealous urchin]

he is an online guru who wrote quantum healing type book

[mortal ginkgo]

Satisfactory got some really weird issues and bugs that don't get solved in months.. if ever.

I love this game, but it REALLY got issues.

[frail grotto]

i guess

[frail grotto]

sure, but its 2d

[eager palm]

Hold up. Factorio has verticality?

[rare thunder]

that makes it better

[sterile blade]

Whips out sushi rolls, ready to fight

[rare thunder]

DLC

[ivory condor]

i have no idea what this is

[frail grotto]

i guess people have different tastes

[zealous urchin]

I yield I yield, I always hated kebabs 😭

[mortal ginkgo]

He is a guru, aka moneyscam to sell books that worth nothing.

[frail grotto]

kebab hate? unjustified

[rare thunder]

satisfactory has limited resources nodes, Factorio doesn't let you build on top of stuff

[eager palm]

Factorio doesn’t make my bedroom warmer though. These cold months demand Space Elevator worship.

[frail grotto]

ok you won but i aint touching that game

[rare thunder]

why not?

[zealous urchin]

pseudoscientific mumble

[frail grotto]

not for me?

[rare thunder]

you didn't even touch it

[ivory condor]

oh ok

[frail grotto]

just because its 2d and weird graphics i wont play it, why do you care, are you hired by the devs?

[ivory condor]

hmmm so they wrote this quantum healing book, this honestly all sounds like bs to me

[mortal ginkgo]

I am just blind guesing about someone who I don't know also have prejudice because he got "guru" tag and providing information with no evidence.

You could say, I act like a tweeter, a redditor or.. rather... heh, impure.

[sterile blade]

Generally speaking, the aestetics can be a bit of a turnoff if one is into SF more ti make pretty factories than efficient factories (ie: enjoying more the decor rather than factory complexity)

[reef basin]

trains work in sf, blueprints are different

[zealous urchin]

or a hater

[mortal ginkgo]

RRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

bark bark bark bark bark bark

[ivory condor]

in my experience most labeled "guru" are complete bs

[rare thunder]

I find building in satisfactory to be generally finicky tbh it's not just a blueprint thing

but 3d is harder tbf

[ivory condor]

because lets be honest, we have limited understanding of our reality still, let alone how to ever begin to use it for any sort of healing

[reef basin]

that gives verticality just to rails and just one floor. Still essentially 2D

[rare thunder]

I'm talking about stacking

[reef basin]

that's just faster belts in different coat

[ivory condor]

call me when we have a theory of everything, maybe then applications for "healing" might start to be known

also good luck on that unified field theory model

[zealous urchin]

everybody run! the big dawg is off the leash ☹️

[frosty mirage]

How do I plan best for a bigger factory (5 items) ? Do I build every machine and then connect them acoordingly or do I plan beforehand the connections among them?

[rare thunder]

it has both tbf

[reef basin]

plan the amounts, build it

[mortal ginkgo]

been ages didnt say that, I am being a lil dawg at this point

[reef basin]

faster belts don't necessarily mean the game is better 🤷 just the scale is different

[frosty mirage]

Amounts are clear, i know I need 97 buildings, but im overwhelmed a bit. Not sure if i should plan the connections among everything before starting

[reef basin]

you should consider the logistics, yeah

[rare thunder]

I wish there was a cocoa spread that didn't have sugar or palm oil as it's biggest ingredient

[frosty mirage]

Oof 🙁 dang

So its not a good idea to build it on bits

[shell parrot]

Hi guys, I hope someone can help me. I try to record a truck route for the first time and it just won't load / unload. Both stations have power, are on foundations, are set to load / unload but whenever I try to record a route I press F but nothing happens. Tried to rebuild station and truck reconnect power etc. nothing works 🙁

[mortal ginkgo]

ok let me help: The F button is sometimes bugged so nothing happens when you press it. HOWEVER it is not needed for recording.

If you stop in the loading zone of a Station, you will see a "Stop" icon. If you see it spawned, that means Truck will work just fine.

Truck will know to "press F" itself when it stops, hell it will start the loading etc before it stops.

[shell parrot]

So I start the recording drive in the loading zone without pressing anything and a icon should spawn, then proceed and close the loop?

[mortal ginkgo]

exactly, pressing F is only needed for your personal needs if you do so

otherwise it will work just fine.

[sterile blade]

The icons in front if the stations should be easy to spot (when you're not driving over them), as they are yellow instead of blue

[sterile blade]

Interesting thought

[ivory condor]

surely you dont trust these self labeled "guru", right

[zenith sage]

Make it a blueprint so they auto connect for the most part

[mortal ginkgo]

I am a guru when it comes to limestone btw, just saying, fyi

[ivory condor]

I am a guru to when it comes to bs detection, does that count?

[shell parrot]

tried it and it created a pause icon, did the same on the unload station and went back and closed the loop. saved the path and loaded it and enabled autopilot. truck went off after a few seconds of doing nothing but without loading anything 🙁

[mortal ginkgo]

ok, follow the silly goober, does it actually stop at the station? you will see Truck actually doing a deliver/take animation.

[shell parrot]

it stopped briefly but without load animation and just drove off

[mortal ginkgo]

post a screenshot in #design-and-architecture please. I want to see if the stop icon is where it supposed to be

[sterile blade]

I don't trust that

[ivory condor]

well as long as you trust very little thats a start

[zealous urchin]

were u raised on a farm of cows or what

[ivory condor]

just dont trust anyone labeled "guru", as a general rule

[sterile blade]

Is any of the "pause icons" yellow or are they all blue?

[frosty mirage]

What should I prioritize in awesome shop? Whats most helpful for building bigger factories?

[zealous urchin]

bs detection powers = never gonna step on animal dookie

[ivory condor]

actually pretty close, are you a racists?

[zenith sage]

I keep forgetting I have a hoverpack...

[ornate saffron]

hell of a thing to forget

[zealous urchin]

damn, how did u know? i was pretty good gokart racer

[shell parrot]

It was yellow and it even did not came back and just stood at the unload station without doing anything. Just started the game a few days ago and everything felt quite smooth actually. This is the first mechanic that "drives" me nuts literally

[sterile blade]

Vehicles can be quite... controversial 😅
Especially so the ones on wheels...

[green fiber]

If thats the case im a toilet guru

[ivory condor]

well I did grow up on a farm, so im naturally good at detecting such things

[sterile blade]

Except for Factory Carts of course, everyone loves them

[sterile blade]

Have you actually ever used the HUB's toilet yet?

[scenic mirage]

oh man i forgot how much fun biomass burners are 😭

[shell parrot]

You need to flush a few leaves 😉

[green fiber]

Of course, i discovered toilet lore

[shell parrot]

I triggered ADA quite a bit 😄

[green fiber]

Both ADA and ??? responded

[sterile blade]

Sounds like you, uhm... went in deep

[zenith sage]

The window walls have a built in dust..?

[leaden turret]

icing sugar for the cake

[sterile blade]

"Ficsit doesn't waste" moment...?

[green fiber]

Ficsit doesnt waste money to develop anti-dirt windows

[leaden turret]

if you have time to clean, you are not an efficient factory worker

[leaden turret]

gives @split trench mental image of mcgalleon as "toilet guru"

[green fiber]

Was that needed

[zenith sage]

Is looping needed for gases? 🤔 Specifically rocket fuel generators

[reef basin]

afaik can't hurt

[zenith sage]

Huh.. might be hard to fit it into my cramped blueprint... unless vertical looping would be fine... it sounds so wrong

[leaden turret]

we do what we must because we can

[balmy scarab]

Is there a "quick" way to tear down a largeish area you've built on?

[zenith sage]

Save editor

[leaden turret]

-# start a new save

[dense violet]

vertical loops are great.

[balmy scarab]

Eh, it's not that big. I'll just tear it down by hand, and live with the disassembly crates that will be left

[zenith sage]

If it's any consolation, there should be just 1 disassembly crate left

[dire needle]

does anyone have a updated list of the best alt recipes?

[dense violet]

as there is no 'best' alt recipe for anything, no

[reef basin]

no, since there's no such list that would cover things properly (and won't ever be made)

[dense violet]

the value of recipes deeply rely on

what you're making
how much
where
what else youre making
what other recipes you're using
your personal tastes

[dire needle]

oh i thought something like sloppy alumina was just across better

[dense violet]

the main thing you can distinguish about recipes is either being specialist or generalist recipes

for example, Solid Steel Ingot is a generalist

[dense violet]

not if you want the silica

[reef basin]

there's no recipe that's "always better"

[dense violet]

do a LOT of people choose simplicity of Sloppy Solution?
yes

everyone? no, because people want different thigns

I use the silica byproduct for other things sometimes 🙂

[quasi warren]

What's generalist mean for alternate recipes?

[reef basin]

people often like it because the recipe is often useful for their case

[dense violet]

so generalist is what it sounds like, a recipe that can be chucked into many many production lines

usually they are low tier items like ingots

so you could use Copper Alloy in any chain that needs copper

A specialist recipe might be Heat Fused Frames.

Adds fuel and complexity for savings on bauxite

it very specifically saves on a resource for that high tier items

[balmy scarab]

Oh, they can be as large as needed?

[dense violet]

And some recipes combo nicely with each other

[zenith sage]

From my experience, yes

[quasi warren]

Or recipes like iron wire?

[balmy scarab]

I thought they had a fixed size. Good to know!

[dense violet]

yeah wire is a very low tier item and changes a resource type you need and impacts a lot of thigns down the chain as well as your basic needs

[balmy scarab]

I really like the Cast Screws-recipie. Unlocked it yesterday on this save. Gonna make my reinforced iron plate factory a lot smaller

[dense violet]

it's often convenient early on

[quasi warren]

I replace the recipies with iron wire and stitched iron plates

Completely remove screws entirely

[reef basin]

it's not as good as people make it sound, it's imo the most overrated recipe. However it can be useful in some situations, yeah

[reef basin]

no real reason to do that imo

[balmy scarab]

Yeah, stiched iron plate looks handy. I hope I get that soon 🙂

I've got an abundance of wire right now.

[shell parrot]

As a new player this recipe stuff is quite confusing...how the F am I supposed to know what else I can make in the future at all and what is good and what not...can't say I ike this recipe stuff. And if I understood correctly there is only a fixed amount of hard disks on the map no?

[quasi warren]

Later on, that wire will DRAIN

[quasi warren]

There are more HDs then recipes

[dense violet]

you don't
future proofing is a fool's game
just get all the recipes

[balmy scarab]

There are enough hard disks to unlock all alternate recipies. Just ignore the alternate recipies until you get them

[dense violet]

treat the milestones like a tutorial there for you to learn

[quasi warren]

And, you can research a hard drive, and leave the recipes in the HD library to unlock them later

[shell parrot]

Ok will do thank you

[reef basin]

the nice thing is that there's no bad recipe, all of them are useful in some way. And you can get all the recipes anyway.

[reef basin]

I would recommend exact opposite for new people. Your advice is imo only for people who are looking for specific recipe

[quasi warren]

Ah. Fair enough

[reef basin]

if you're new, it's better to have more recipes available and start experimenting with them and using them in your builds, rather than staring at full MAM, being confused what recipe to pick or not

[dense violet]

recipes in your library aren't doing you any good

[split trench]

FML

[reef basin]

wild guru appeared

[ivory condor]

one could say its the true guru has finally arrived

not all of these imposter guru's mentioned above

[quasi warren]

Im still on orange box/sky platforms- I cant decorate for the life of me

[bleak scaffold]

i made a mini conveyor belt tornado

[frosty mirage]

Will I use the parts that are sent into space elevator for anything else later on? I mean parts like versatile framework, smart plating, automated wire - or are these strictly used to send in space elevator?

[reef basin]

space elevator, future space elevator parts, sink points

[frosty mirage]

And i wont have to use them to create other parts, right?

[split condor]

Yes a fixed amount, however there are about 5 extra hard drives vs total amount needed to unlock everything

[iron portal]

All space elevator parts are used leading up to the final parts

[bleak scaffold]

did lets game it out get a huge influence on satisfactory

tbh i played satisfactory because of him

[zealous urchin]

opening wiki and tools would make that confusion go away
alternatively there are three reddit tierlists

however all of recipes have their uses, they seem and appear different and one may yield more results in items or efficiency but u also need to consider logistics and machines used or complexity overall
most of the time u are trading one thing over the other and hard winners are exceptions thus most of the time u do things the way u want considering ur situation

as for exceptions
heavy encased frame
diluted fuel
recycled plubber
dark matter crystalization

[zealous urchin]

gru and his minions in satisfactory

[finite forge]

no dev stream? <@&370483737957236737>

[sacred trail]

Do those giants die with rifle shots? I shot it like 50 times and still running away

[unkempt blade]

nah they're immortal

[sacred trail]

Fuck

Are they aggressive when regular enemies are?

[feral jay]

They've got 200 hit points

So that's 40hits with regular rifle ammo

[barren spire]

Question: if I blueprint map my entire factory, can I destroy it, place proper foundations and just "paste" it back onto the foundations?

[feral jay]

of course

[unkempt blade]

You build blueprints in the blueprinter. You wouldn't be able to save a build outside of the blueprinter if that's what you're asking

[barren spire]

Oh hell yeah. This changes things....my spaghetti factory will be...
Contained...

[feral jay]

oh, good point, I may have misread the question. Blueprints are relatively small

[barren spire]

Oh I see. I've never played with it, I just did and...yeah it's lost on me, I'll never use it

[unkempt blade]

haha it's not too complicated and VERY useful in some situations it just may not help with your current scenario

[barren spire]

A lot of people here would probably be highly annoyed at my factories and how they're...setup...I find order in the chaos lol. Anyway, I wasn't trying to bring right angles and stacks of conveyors to my factory, just trying to place it all in buildings without having to encircle a 1.5k mega factory. A lesson learned. The second I unlocked foundations I should have started building when it was smaller...oh well, it works lol

[unkempt blade]

Yeah that's just how people learn the game I think. You'll figure out what's annoying as you play and do better with whatever build is next

if a factory produces items it's a good factory

[barren spire]

True enough lol

[void gorge]

Uhh next one is prolly in, 2 weeks?

Prolly

[clear mesa]

Mayhaps

[finite forge]

but in 2 weeks is the first of the month, so it will 3 weeks? 😛

[rare thunder]

you cant attach hypertube supports to walls or ceilings?

[feral jay]

you can

[rare thunder]

oh yeah theyre in the shop

no ceiling support tho

[feral jay]

They should auto-attach to ceilings

Wait yeah there's no tube supports in the shop, they just automagically attach to walls and ceilings

[sullen gull]

You want the Hypertube Wall Support

[hazy void]

how difficult is it to move nitrogen gas over a decent distance (1000M)

[sullen gull]

Very easy with drones and empty canisters (I'f you've unlocked them) as Nitrogen compresses very well

[barren tulip]

probably not that hard, they don't need any pumps so you just need 1km of pipeline

[hazy void]

i mean if i want to move like 150 per minute, do you think i could do it a train

bc my battery factory broke

[feral jay]

oh, there are wall attachments in the shop, my mistake

[sullen gull]

Again, if you containerize it, 1 empty tank =4. So, 150/min should be about 37.5 tanks/min. Which is very doable by train.

[hazy void]

ok thanks

[barren tulip]

drones can use like any fuel now so...

[frosty mirage]

I made a plan, i will blueprint 4x4 foundations with 2 (or 3) wall corners, then I will blueprint sets of 4 for smelters/foundries/constructors and sets of 2 assemblers. Then I will buy conveyor walls and wall power outlets. I'll then create separate rooms (probably 8x8 but with possibility to expand left or right) per resource nodes and build vertically. I'll connect manifolds to each set, with each room having 1 input and 1 output, the outputs will go up for next stage processing. I still need to figure out how I'll assemble between different rooms, but I might create an intermediary conveyor floor and buy conveyor lift floor holes to manage resource flow between different sections for assembly floor. I will use power on upper walls and build that into the 4 set/2 set blueprints. Sorry for the long text, it helps me put order in my head 😂

[barren tulip]

does redirecting 1 fuel rod every 1.44h for drone fuel cause enough extra consumption to need more production?

[abstract heron]

Is there a video this week Friday

[shrewd hatch]

I like how the cluster nobelisk only spits out 5 more bombs

and not like 30

[abstract heron]

video this week Friday then?

[shrewd hatch]

isnt the cluster nobelisk supposed to shit out 24 smaller bombs instead of 5?

[barren tulip]

what's wrong with it spitting only 5

[shrewd hatch]

because the model has 24

[barren tulip]

24 mini little explosives would be neat but the 5 big ones feel like they hit harder (because they probably do compared to 24 small ones)

i have gotten vaporized once from being hit by all 5 noblets at the same time

[void gorge]

??

But no

[queen slate]

How do you get your fuel to your drones? I’m considering using them but the fuel is kinda putting me off I’m ngl

[sullen gull]

Setup a second drone port where you need fuel to go and get it from wherever it's made

[barren tulip]

there's a large drone port at my base so i'm able to use the fuel refineries there to directly fuel them, or use nuclear fuel rods from the factory for the nuclear fuel rod transport drone

[queen slate]

K tysm 😄

[rare thunder]

i cant believe satisfactory copied pih

[sullen gull]

?

[calm palm]

so there is a tanker car for the trains right?

i want to automate my ressources using trains for the first time and iw ant to move liquids around

nice

[feral jay]

You can fit more fluid per car if you package it, but yes, there's also fluid cars

[calm palm]

thats nice so i can let my CPP entierly by trains xD

[rare thunder]

i still think this is stupid as hell

[calm palm]

since ive build in the green spawn area the first coal is impure and i wanted to use a rather more usefull one

[feral jay]

It's not huge, it's I think 1600 a car if you use tankers and 2400 if you packaget it. But it's a LOT more per car ig you package the gases.

[queen slate]

They gonna buff them in 1.2

[rare thunder]

W

i just think its unrealistic asf

[feral jay]

And I would agree, fitting more fluids by packaging them makes zero logical sense. It's not intuitive and players just getting to that stage of the game would never think of it naturally, because it doesn't make any logical sense.

It just seems like a kludge to get people to use the packaging production loops

[rare thunder]

it would maybe make sense with compressed gasses

but not fluids

[feral jay]

No, you can compress them into a tanker car

[sullen gull]

Regular fluids don't "compress". Only gasses (Nitrogen, Rocket fuel, Ionized)

[feral jay]

(source: in a previous lifetime, I cleaned the inside of those rail tankers for a living)

[sullen gull]

Otherwise normal fluids are a 1:1 when packaged.

[feral jay]

All gases are tranported highly, highly compressed in rail cars

(IRL)

[sullen gull]

It's the that a standard freight car can hold about the same packaged as it does in a fluid (Though I am not 100% as I don't train)

[rare thunder]

i would like to poke them

[forest mauve]

What can I do with all my left over FICSMAS produce

[queen slate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ sry i amn’t sure

[feral jay]

I suppose the most household name would be LNG - Liquified Natural Gas. Natural gas is transported as a liquid by rail IRL, because it's compressed so much.

[feral jay]

I stockpiled like 50 thousand snowballs, because I like them better than nobelisk for clearing stuff, they do less damage to the map

[queen slate]

That’s so cool

[feral jay]

haha unless you get called to clean one of those tankers, and you smell like rotten eggs for a week. You can't get that shit out of your pores no matter how much you shower.

That weas a dirty job if there ever was one

[rare thunder]

is there a way to mirror blueprints?

[vague ruin]

whats the best way to split 5 constructors worth of output into a belt with 4 consturctors worth of output and another belt with just 1 constructors worth of output

[barren tulip]

smell of the gas itself?

[vagrant linden]

I have a question about hypertube branch. I understand it always go straight as default, right?

[feral jay]

yeah, the mercaptan

[feral jay]

Not that I'm aware of

[zenith shard]

guys, how do you design the inputs of assemblers?

[queen slate]

Yes but there is a way for it to go the other way

[feral jay]

yes, I have just one in this save, and that's how it behaves

[zenith shard]

without overlapping each other

[vagrant linden]

thanks, I was figuring how to make bi-direction hypertube and still have boost

[queen slate]

I put a merger then a splitter above the merger then delete merger

[barren tulip]

single belt on floor and another one higher (height of one belt elevator)

or you can do two elevated belts

[feral jay]

ohhhh shit, I never thought of that, I've been building two tubes each way for my express tubes

[zenith shard]

and do I put them next to each other near the inputs?

does it still clip?

[sullen gull]

Here is one way: #screenshots message

[zenith shard]

interesting, but why though?

[barren tulip]

idk

[queen slate]

They dont the way I place my assemblers

[queen slate]

I don’t understand

Ooh wait are you having a hypertube cannon with 2 ways it can go?

[vagrant linden]

yes

[queen slate]

Ah nvm I understand that’s really smart

[feral jay]

I have a few "express" hypertubes, where your speed is boosted by a series of inline hypertube entrances, but those hypertube boosters only work in one direction, so I placed one for each direction to and from a few places. But with branches, I could use just a single tube, and split it out at the ends

[queen slate]

I just have like 5 of them in a row that would be smarter

[zenith shard]

do I do the same with the 4 inputs building too?

[queen slate]

I add a merger for each one and have them close to the manufacturers and then I use lifts

E.g

1. Splitter
   2.merger splitter above
2. Merger merger splitter
   4 merger merger merger splitter

This works for me but your manifolds can be different and obv nothing wrong with that

My method prob isn’t the most efficient but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[queen slate]

Do you go flying or do you run the hypertubes all the way?

[feral jay]

Tubes all the way, flying is great but it doesn't get you back

[queen slate]

True

[vagrant linden]

well, it work 🙂

[ornate saffron]

Zip line and train supremacy

[shrewd hatch]

guys why is there no pickup all button on the awesome shop purchases area

im mass purchasing fuel and its annoying having to pick all of it up by myself

[sullen gull]

You hold ctrl

[shrewd hatch]

oh thank you

it worked

and to purchase?

[sullen gull]

Not sure what you mean. Any "parts" purchaced are on the "Purchaced" Tab. If you hold ctrl and double click, or drag, it will put all similar items into your inventory

[shrewd hatch]

because I have to click 30 times to get a full shop inventory full of items

[sullen gull]

If it's different items, you can only do them "per item". But, as stated, holding ctrl will grab all the the same type of item

[rain hollow]

Would it be better if I increase my stack size to about say... 3, or to increase the upload speed to the depot?

[pulsar sun]

Hello I want to know do power slugs respawn?

[sullen gull]

To "increase" the upload speed, you can have multiple DD's

[rain hollow]

Unfortunately no

[feral jay]

That's really a question of personal preference and build style

[rain hollow]

I mean as in the MAM upgrades not more uploaders

[pulsar sun]

🥲

[sullen gull]

The mam upgrades allow for a max of 240/min and, iirc, 5 stacks of items max.

[rain hollow]

Well I don't know if it's best to have a lot of depot storage for belt and foundation materials or just lots of upload speed so it refills really fast

[sullen gull]

Ideally, it's benifical to do the full research eventually

[rain hollow]

Yeah it's 240 a minute at max, it doubles every time

[feral jay]

Personally, I go for the capacity upgrades first, and then speed upgrades when I start doing much larger builds - but other people think I'm crazy

[sullen gull]

Otherwise, when you want one over the other, personal preference

[vagrant linden]

you can always add more depots to speed up upload

[rain hollow]

Well yes but getting all the Mercer spheres will take a while so I want to know which to upgrade first

[feral jay]

You can increase the speed of any individual item just by adding more uploaders for it

I usually have two or three uploaders each just for concrete and plates

[rain hollow]

Each one needs a Mercer sphere though so it's not too easy

[vagrant linden]

well, not like you need 10-20 depots for single material

[sullen gull]

You will need a total of 97 spheres for max upgrades

[feral jay]

There's more spheres on the map than you'll ever need, most likely

[vagrant linden]

concrete is only one I bother to add more than 1 depots to upload

[rain hollow]

Well yes but it's how long it's going to take to find them, even with the object scanner

[feral jay]

This really isn't a game where resource limitations matter much

[feral jay]

Yeah that can take time, but it is a nice break from the monotony of hooking up power and conveyors and pipes, at least for me

[cobalt harness]

what is compacted coal best used for?

[feral jay]

Turbofuel

[rain hollow]

Fair point

[sullen gull]

Turbo Fuel setups

[leaden matrix]

The 400000 humble coal gens

[unkempt blade]

once you start jetpacking around they're pretty easy to see from a distance if your graphics aren't turned way down

[cobalt harness]

at what tier do i unlock turbofuel?

[rain hollow]

It's a MAM unlock not a milestone

[vagrant linden]

it is MAM, so if you explore good. you can unlock it at phase 1*

[mortal ginkgo]

I have a suggestion that worked for me. I am going for item hunt in 3 times.

1 - This is at Phase 1 and 2, mostly going around very close starter area and fetch stuff when you see them.

2- Phase 3 parts ready and tickling along to finish - An actual hunt around half the map with Homing Ammo, Explosive and Stun Rebar, Poison Mask. Use 15+impluse nobelisks to get yourself back to home.

Preparation reasons are to assert dominance, quick destruction of rocks, and NOT neededing to destroy poison towers since you got mask. This makes the journey much more enjoyayble.

3- Phase 4 and beyond where phase 4 items are tickling as you go clear the spheres etc, where you probably don't need anymore but get recipes etc. with Nuclear Nobelisk, Turborifle ammo, Hazard Suit and mask, plus ur mom.

I made the second hunt not long ago and I really enjoyed the sceneries and some actual break from factory making to get valuable assets.

I just need to convince my mom for third hunt but she doesn't like Swamp area for some reason 😭

[indigo kiln]

Wait I can destroyed the fart towers?

[vagrant linden]

with any explosive equipment, yes

[ornate saffron]

Explosions are the way

[mortal ginkgo]

Sulfur Tree in MaM, Explosive Nobelisks

[indigo kiln]

I have them I've only used them to get craterium (or however you spell it)

I'll be right back I have some Taco Bell to get rid of

[ornate saffron]

Caterium. Cat for short. Like cat5 ethernet cable

[open swallow]

alternately, explosive rebar

[ornate saffron]

Fun but doesn't hold the same punch. You need nobs for some destruction. Which is good. I like when tools have pros and cons

[vagrant linden]

I do run some weird issue with explosive rebar when take out breakable rocks

[open swallow]

I just find it a lot more convenient

I still keep some nobelisks in DD

[indigo kiln]

I've been staring at a yellow slug My entire playthrough I can finally get to it with kaboom

[vagrant linden]

sometime breakable rock don't break if I hit other breakable rock beside it, then it somehow get invulerable for short period

[near siren]

Blueprints are a game changer lol

[vagrant linden]

problem go away when I stop using explosive rebar and use cluster bomb

[sullen gull]

The only thing rebar doesn't possibly work on is the large Mushrooms in the blue crater. Otherwise it works on anything that a Noblisk would.

[ornate saffron]

That bug is a pain. Happens often on my intel/nvidia rig but never on my amd rig

[ornate saffron]

Thats the exact example i thought of. Balloon plants as well. I think

[coral marsh]

can i get someone to make a mod for me that displays say, high Mw values as Gw? and then Gw for Tw please? (i'd ask in the modding server but no one there will actually make a mod anymore). i realzied that my end game goal of 200 thousand power storage units will not read nicely as 20TwHr's and instead will read as something more akin to well, 20 million Mw

[sullen gull]

They've worked on those (except the babies 😒 ). Just have to aim at the base/stem

[sullen gull]

Check the modding discord

[feral jay]

whoopsie, just slaughtered a doggo... stupid homing ammo

[sullen gull]

@coral marsh #welcome message

[coral marsh]

i legit describe that no one there will make mods anymore

[primal flax]

what are the best alternate aluminium recipes

[coral marsh]

i specifically put that in the message as i cannot mod make myself

[sullen gull]

I am a personal fan of electrode scrap and sloppy alumina

[feral jay]

Pure aluminium ingot eliminates the need for a silica input, too

[sullen gull]

It just reads as 200,000 MW. Not very difficult. Otherwise, I doubt that anyone would take that up (Unless you want to pay them 😏 )

[sullen gull]

Ahh, yes, this one too

[coral marsh]

I'd be willing to pay. I just want the higher Si affixe's to be in the game, Gw, Tw even Pw

[sullen gull]

Only other thing I would suggest is to possibly make a QA post about it.

[coral marsh]

Instant scrap is a fun one if you wanna use bauxite, coal, sulfur and water in a blender

[coral marsh]

If i knew how to code, I would be A: a menace and B: unstoppable

If i wanted to learn back in high school, I would've learnt all C languages and Java script

Oh and maybe wouldve gone into Cisco certification to

[indigo kiln]

😈 phase 2 done

Oh damn that's a cool animation I missed the first one

[ornate saffron]

Time to unlock real power

[unkempt blade]

yeah like solid biomass!

[tame bobcat]

i still havent finished phase 3 😭

[sullen gull]

I think you meant Charcoal 😏

[tame bobcat]

been procrastinating it for ages now

[unkempt blade]

Nah I'm a traditionalist. Solid Biofuel is the best fuel

[ornate saffron]

Same

[ornate saffron]

Animal parts to biocoal slooped in every step

[tame bobcat]

im accidentally making a megafactory for all my stuff 😭 didnt even mean to but its just easier to build it in all one spot now

[ornate saffron]

I hope your pc doesnt hate you.

On the upside its winter in the northern hemisphere so maybe you can turn off your heaters

[unkempt blade]

is it really an accident if it's "all your stuff"?

[sullen gull]

All Your Base ... 😏

[tame bobcat]

i still have my starter factories but dude atp i might just redirect all those miners to my main base

[ornate saffron]

Are belong to us

[sullen gull]

Grr, hate when working from home and having two keyboards in front of me 🤣

[real shale]

I should grow my factory even more (insert metal gear thinking meme here)

[unkempt blade]

the forecast is saying snow this weekend and where I live is utterly unprepared for winter weather so I'm planning on a nice factory binge assuming I don't lose power

[real shale]

If you lose power then simply build more fuel generators

[mortal ginkgo]

Use Power Storages bruh lol noob silly goober

[unkempt blade]

joke's on me, a couple power banks isn't nearly enough power storage 🙁

[mortal ginkgo]

Or maybe Fluid Buffers lol see

[placid stirrup]

A pioneer must ask themself... Do you want a big factory, or an empire?

[real shale]

An ecumenopolis

World sized factory

[ornate saffron]

We are suppose to get 40" this week. We are the north. We are prepared but it will sucl

[unkempt blade]

I made sure I had propane in case I need the grill to cook which is sort of the same I guess 🤣

[leaden matrix]

Both, both is good :>

[real shale]

How many cubic meters of propane a second does the grill use

[unkempt blade]

yeah ours is saying somewhere over a foot maybe but anything over a few inches is too much for the plows and stuff we have around here

[placid stirrup]

I mean yeah that's how I play too haha. Several massive factories ftw

[unkempt blade]

depends if I overclock it or not

[placid stirrup]

<0.01

[sullen gull]

Most gas grills use propane at a rate measured in British Thermal Units (BTUs) rather than cubic meters per second. A standard propane grill typically burns around 20,000 to 50,000 BTUs per hour, which translates to approximately 0.5 to 1.25 cubic meters of propane per hour, depending on the grill's efficiency and settings.

[leaden matrix]

Real, ive been thinking about merging them, or just like relocating them to a massive platform for convenience ToT

[real shale]

Damn, thats one efficient fuel generator

[placid stirrup]

Damn I was actually not incorrect

[sullen gull]

And you may not be able to trust that AI is correct either 🤣

[ornate saffron]

Whatever you say hank Hill

[placid stirrup]

HAInk Hill

[leaden matrix]

400000 humble coal gens >

[whole ermine]

if i limit a pipe to 180/min will it actually be limited to 180/min

ive heard that mk2 pipes cant reach 600/min

[feral jay]

180 or less. As far as I understand, if it's a 300/min pipe, and you set a valve to 180/min, it's not actually 180/min, its 180/300 of whatever the input flow is. I'd have to look that up though

[unkempt blade]

What's the reason you're trying to limit it? Valves can be kind of messy

[feral jay]

And also, yes, avoid valves. They will cause you more problems than they solve.

[whole ermine]

i could delete it

its just nice seeing a clean 180/min in a pipe

[feral jay]

@whole ermine https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf see page 10

[opaque wren]

Blueprints are so small.

How do you blueprint a factory?

You can fit like 3 assemblers there

[sullen gull]

Moduarlize it

[opaque wren]

Might as well ignore it and do it manually

[ornate saffron]

Three diffrent BP machines.

4x4x4, 5x5x5, and 6x6x6

[feral jay]

By design, Coffee Stain wanted to avoid the Factorio issue where "everything is a blueprint", and if they let them get too big, then people just blueprint whole factories

[ornate saffron]

I can get 12

[feral jay]

But, blueprints can autoconnect belts/pipes/hypertubes, that makes things a lot faster

[opaque wren]

let's say I agree with the problem; the current solution seems worse to me

Like...I have to place 90 assemblers

[sullen gull]

Don't think about it in terms of trying to cram a ton of machines into a blueprint. Make yourself a single machine blueprint, with logitics already attached, and boom, TONS of time saved: #screenshots message #screenshots message

[feral jay]

Build a blueprint for 10 of them, and place 9 of those blueprints, just gotta figure out how to use the autoconnect feature

Or 4 or 8 or however many you can fit in your current mark blueprint designer

Once you've figured out the autoconnect feature it really speeds things up and the size limitation doesn't seem so limiting

[opaque wren]

Tier 2 BP can fit 5 assemblers

I don't know ....late game seems like a chore in comparison with other games.

On Dyson sphere I could fit 1/4 of a planet in 1 BP

[sullen gull]

🤦‍♂️

[feral jay]

I'm pretty sure there's Unreal Engine limitations to blueprint sizes too, the game chonks when you place large blueprints already

[pulsar sun]

I want to know can the truck station be automated?

[green fiber]

Yes. thats the point of it

[ornate saffron]

On the mark one place 3 assemlers outputs facing outwards. Then 3 more mirrored. Also facing outward.

Run splitters and conveyors between them.

You can double the by think vertical. Lay some foundations above the current assemblers and copy the lower level

[green fiber]

You drive automated vehicles to them and they load / unload them

[pulsar sun]

If I don't drive than?

Will it automatically go and pick?

[opaque wren]

I don't want mirrored design.

[ornate saffron]

You record a route then save it. Then load the route up on the truck

[green fiber]

You must drive a route for the vehicle first. You record it.

It then follows the route

[opaque wren]

The whole idea of the BP is to let you optimize something "casual" and let it scale.

[pulsar sun]

Meaning I don't need to manually ride?

[green fiber]

Yes

[opaque wren]

Placing 30 blueprints defeats the purpose

[green fiber]

You only need to manually ride it once

[pulsar sun]

And how many can I place in a single station?

[sullen gull]

Again, you need to adjust your "scale" thinking with this game. This is NOT other factory games.

[green fiber]

As many as you can manage to

[pulsar sun]

That's nice thank you

[ornate saffron]

You are self limiting. Up to you. Im just giving you solutions. Choose to use them or don't. ^-^

[green fiber]

The alternative is placing everything within the blueprint manually

Id rather have a way to build smaller modules than to repeat everything all the time

[white dawn]

As with much of the logistics in this game, they tend to work best when you've got a simple A->B transfers -- one station sending material to another station, and only vehicles on that route make use of the stations. You can get fancier if you like, though

I recommend just playing around with it, see what works for you.

Set up some "dummy" tests. Hook a miner up to a truck station, have a tractor deliver it to another station like 200m away, etc.

[opaque wren]

I am not saying it's useless. I am saying the benefit is small relative to what other games offer - and what the late game need/demand is.

[white dawn]

Avoid the urge to go for the huge "big solution" right away; test stuff out in small scale, see what works, and then start scaling up.

[feral jay]

You still have the option of doing that if we have larger blueprints though

[opaque wren]

I tested. it works. I need large scale now.

[feral jay]

I like the blueprint size limitations myself

[green fiber]

Yeah and at some point the scale kinda becomes hard to even aim / place

[placid stirrup]

Sometimes you just gotta pull a Leroy Jenkins though

[green fiber]

And from what i understand l, the devs said "its not worth it if you dont put some effort into it yourself"

[opaque wren]

What's the benefit of manually connecting power lines for 1 hour?

[feral jay]

More or less that's a large part of the design philosophy, yeah. If blueprints are too large, then it's not a factory building game anymore, it's a blueprint desinger game

[green fiber]

Never said anything about power lines

[placid stirrup]

How else would you do it?

[feral jay]

Oh boy do I ever wish we could autoconnect pwoer lines

[opaque wren]

In a blueprint.

Well, not in this game.

[green fiber]

Power lines would be great if they would autoconnect

But i get why they dont

Theres no real aim to them

I would hate if they all tried to connect with every nearby pole all the time

[surreal hatch]

foundations should carry the power.

[placid stirrup]

They might have tried implementing mass power line connection, but it sure would be nice to have

[feral jay]

If they added a "connect this power connecter to the same power connector on other blueprints" as an option, it would REALLY speed up me laying down power lines

[opaque wren]

Electrified foundation of sorts would be a decent alternative.

[placid stirrup]

Even just a mass connect mode where you click on one pole or outlet and then however many things you want to connect to it

[feral jay]

But yeah, it would be basically impossible to let the game figure out which power connectors to connect where, without some kind of additional configuration

[ornate saffron]

I just think about power when I make my blueprints. I often run metal beams under my machines then connect the machines to wallpowernodes along the beam. The add a power nod to each end of theetal beam. This allows a quick connection between blueprints

[placid stirrup]

For realism, bus bar would be closer

[green fiber]

Powered foundations sounds very practical but also basically is just an axe to power poles in general.

Not sure the devs will ever allow us to axe those

[feral jay]

There's a mod for that, "Powered Foundations" I think

[opaque wren]

I'd settle for any QOL before having any realism expectations.

[sullen gull]

You can make all of these things you're referring with blueprints 😏

Also, for placeing assemblers: #screenshots message

[green fiber]

Someone didn't read the entire convo

[opaque wren]

Not with the blueprint size we have.

[sullen gull]

Guilty, lol, technically working as well, and saw powered foundations and bus bars 🤣

[opaque wren]

I mean...if you want to blueprint one assembler being power connected....that's ok.

[inner nymph]

Are there tips you as players would give someone who played the game for 50 hours(I am still by stage 2)

[sullen gull]

And, again, thinking in terms of "one and done" imo 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

The ones in my video are... power is run through the floor. But that is an older version and it wasn't as easy to connect them together..

[green fiber]

The search bar (N) doubles as a calculator.

[unkempt blade]

Use more factory carts and play the game however is fun for you otherwise

[ornate saffron]

Pretty sure there is mods to get a blueprinter of any size you wish.

[opaque wren]

Take your time. Make a large foundation and use that to place your factory. Try to get coal power as soon as you can.

[ornate saffron]

Mark 1 pipes only move 300 units of fluid. Keep pipes simple

[placid stirrup]

Don't be afraid to explore and expand, changing settings to provide more/less of a challenge to this end is totally fine. Take some time to think about input and output rates before simply slapping down machines. It's great to take inspiration from this server and other platforms, but don't try to copy everything you see 1:1, at least at the start

[surreal hatch]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/ is your friend, don't rush things. wander around and collect harddrives as much as possible. Alternative recipes very useful and some of them very efficient than vanilla recipes.
if you like trains, when / where possible build train infrastructure before start building factories. -To me-, Logistic is more important than factories and it's fun.

one more thing, if you need 10 of something build for 30. you always need more and more.

[rugged jasper]

Discord police will tell otherwise. 🤭
But I do agree. ^^

[pulsar sun]

I want to know can a truck station fuel the miner?

[toxic elk]

?

[pulsar sun]

Like I connected a cable from truck station to miner will it power my miner?

[toxic elk]

na, it uses power too

[placid stirrup]

Most follow the strategy of planning based on available resources in a given area instead of a target rate. It's impossible to say how much of anything you'll need to complete the game since you'll just need to wait less/longer depending on the answer

[ornate saffron]

Youll have to bring power infrastructure to your miner and truck station. Both have a single power input and it cannot support more then one cable

[pulsar sun]

Oh ok thank you

I want to know I trying to record but it's not recording the path am I doing wrong?

[feral jay]

There is one, yes, I've used it to make rail spiral blueprints

[placid stirrup]

I just have one that's stackable for this purpose haha

[ornate saffron]

Ive seen blueprints that use a 50x50x50 grid. So I just put one ad one together lol

[feral jay]

lol that's just too "cheaty" for me, the designers wanted blueprint sizes limited and I'll defer to them on that when it comes to blueprint sizes, for the most part

[wise junco]

Satisfactory

[green fiber]

You just start recording and then you drive under truck stations.

[rugged jasper]

you can stack the blue print designer thing ? o.o

[green fiber]

Serves no purpose to stack them

[rugged jasper]

I mean make it all close to each other, and it will be larger that way o.o

[green fiber]

No

[rugged jasper]

they talk about mods then ? ^^

[green fiber]

They dont "add" to each other

[pulsar sun]

I trying but din whats the problem

[placid stirrup]

This gal

[wise junco]

eyyyyyyyyyyyy

finger guns

[green fiber]

They talk about modded bigger designers

[ornate saffron]

The I first started using the blueprinter I downloaded a bunch of random bps to see what ppl were doing and how things worked.

One was a 50x50 circle

[placid stirrup]

Hopeful assumption this wasn't a command

[wise junco]

LMFAO

no, not today at least

[green fiber]

I just recently made my first ever sorta big blueprint that needed the Mk 3 Designer

[placid stirrup]

The terrors persist, but so do we

[green fiber]

And i dont even know if i will ever need that BP in the first place

[wise junco]

you got that right...

[ornate saffron]

My first BP was a ton of foundries 26 I think all interconnected. I didn't want to place 80 foundries manually

[hazy void]

is there such thing as a vertical merger?

[feral jay]

yes, just point the build gun at a lift when you're placing mergers

[green fiber]

Yes. You snap a merger right in the middle of a lift

[ornate saffron]

Yes, place your belts lift and clip or merger on the middle section.

[hazy void]

i feel stupid as hell rn, ive been redesginging a blue print for 3 hours now and couldnt get around this issue

[ornate saffron]

The game doesnt hand you all the answer in a nice neat package. Somethings you learn by mistake or by word of mouth.

My mind was blown when I accidently topped a lift with a splitter

[rugged jasper]

I took your advise from last night 😄 now I have splitters on the ceiling 💖

[placid stirrup]

Kinky

[pine thistle]

is moving 280 fluid/m with a train a pain

or is it fine with like 2 freights

2 freights would be 11 minutes of liquid, i think its fine

[rugged jasper]

#screenshots message works like a charm

[opaque wren]

It's usually best to package / unpackage when it comes to fluids.

[pine thistle]

but for <300/min i would assume its fine to not do that

[placid stirrup]

I've not dealt with transporting fluids, packaged or otherwise, but I know if sending in a fluid freight you'll want to place a buffer at both loading and unloading stations

[opaque wren]

The package / unpackage is not only due to the amount you can transport (which is I believe double), but rather the hassle of dealing with fluids.

You have to pay attention to headlift as well.

if you have to raise elevation on either side, you need to use pumps - which take extra power.

That being said, the fluid cargo is in the game and if it fits your scenario, go for it.

[rugged jasper]

is 480 pr. min the fastest belts in-game ?

[opaque wren]

no, that's MK4

[feral jay]

Not even close, 780 and 1200/min belts exits

[opaque wren]

you have MK5 and MK6

[rugged jasper]

wow

[opaque wren]

I mean, you need Mk6 for Mk3 juiced miners.

Otherwise you wouldn't be able to extract resources from them.

[rugged jasper]

what about miners ?

[frosty nimbus]

Hey guys how much alclad plates and aluminum casings do you need for future production in phase 4

[sick falcon]

mk3 miners

[feral jay]

Up to Mk.3

[sick falcon]

default speed of 240 i think

[pine thistle]

mk3, 4x mk1 miners

[ornate saffron]

A pure node with a full overclocked mark 3 miner gives you 1200 ore per minute

[rugged jasper]

how much can they mine ?

[sick falcon]

240 on a normal node

[rugged jasper]

from a pure node

[ornate saffron]

See above

[rugged jasper]

so 480

[sick falcon]

480 default, 1200 max

[frosty nimbus]

I have about 200 plates and 180 casings p/m at a factory and Im trying to work out how much ill need to utilize in future production

[sick falcon]

don’t worry about that

you’ll need so many more than you can make rn

make what you need rn

[ornate saffron]

Depends on your choices. My first playthrough i processed a single normal bauxite node and did a 50\50 split of sheets and casing. And that was fine for the whole game.

Last playthrough I did more.... much more

[rugged jasper]

sweet ! when will it unlock for me ?

[opaque wren]

For phase 4, you don't need that many plates. You need some for cooling and for belts.

[sick falcon]

phase 4 i believe

[rugged jasper]

I mean at what tier 🙂

[frosty nimbus]

Ive been stuck in a cycle of building up to steel and then restarting my entire game because I didnt like how I set up my original factory and didnt want to tear it down and rebuild

[opaque wren]

But casings you need quite a lot but it depends on your alternate options.

[pine thistle]

for reference, a pure node, 2 powershards, mk3 miner, into refineries with the water/copper recipe gives you 960 ore/m, or 2400 ingots

[ornate saffron]

Whenever you get time crystals. I wana say t8. But im not sure offhand

[frosty nimbus]

this is the longest I have gotten so far XD

[jade portal]

anyone wanna play?

[ornate saffron]

I never tear down. I just build more elsewhere. Map is huge much resources.

[frosty nimbus]

my save is open on steam if you want to come and look around

[sick falcon]

tier 8

[frosty nimbus]

it is modded tho so you will need the more players mod and mod updater mods

[jade portal]

im looking to start a world with people and see how far we can get, thanks tho!

[frosty nimbus]

as well as Mod manager

[frosty nimbus]

Ah

[ornate saffron]

Check #1201555265942724758

[rugged jasper]

alrighty.
I just have to keep progressing 🙂 I made all items from phase 1 to 3 fully automated.
I think I am ready for the next phase

[jade portal]

i posted there but it doesnt seem to be very active

[ornate saffron]

I hear this on e or twice a week. The game goes through waves of players. Post holidays seems to be the low point. Everyone is back at work.

[jade portal]

im off work today actually lol

[rugged jasper]

I just game 😄

[jade portal]

i do when im not working 😂

[rugged jasper]

what is work

[jade portal]

💩

shit... work is shit

[ornate saffron]

I imagine a lot of players are white collar working 9-5s. Check. So Friday night maybe your best time

[ornate saffron]

Im at work right now watching startrek lol

[jade portal]

blue collar all the way! renos is so fun

[ornate saffron]

Also blue collar. But I assume im the exception and a odd ball most the time. Lol.

[jade portal]

what do you do

[sick falcon]

u gotta rip off the bandaid and tear down

[placid stirrup]

If you haven't seen it, The Orville is a show I can't recommend enough /offtopic

@feral jay a fellow man of culture

[feral jay]

It's better Star Trek than most Star Trek these days

But yeah /offtopic

[opaque wren]

Best work is manager work. I tell others what to do and move problems from my Outlook inbox to other people's inbox.

It's like rerouting problems to an Awsome sink.

[scenic mirage]

you dont have to do that. you can build another factory somewhere else

[rugged jasper]

Time to make dinner, as I hit the 10 hour time warning again in-game. 🤭

[opaque wren]

Neah, then you endup with abadnoned factories all over the palce.

[sick falcon]

or that yh

[opaque wren]

Best to clean-up.

Demolish - Hold CTRL and you remove it quickly.

And then use - cough - blueprints to make a new one.

[quasi warren]

I intend to make a temporary factory, then it lasts me through the whole game T-T

[feral jay]

There is nothing more permanent than a temporary solution

[opaque wren]

Happened the same to me. So now I just clean up or add a new floor.

[sick falcon]

yea u don’t like the industrial wasteland vibe

[quasi warren]

Realest sentence ever.

[opaque wren]

I am on floor 8 at the moment.

I assume that will be enough.

(Famous last words)

[sick falcon]

wrong reply oops

[sick falcon]

u don’t like the industrial wasteland vibe?

[feral jay]

I have liberated Lake Forest! 🥳

Just need to build rails out there now

[opaque wren]

Eh, I can look at my working factory if I want to see industrial wasteland /s

[feral jay]

And I think I want an express tube line to get there, I'm planning a >300/min battery plant there

[sick falcon]

u can tear down in bulk if you hold ctrl btw

makes it a lot easier

[quasi warren]

Like, I once added a side addition to my motor factory, and i said "ill tear this down once I get the right tech" and a few hours later, I never tore it down

[opaque wren]

I know but it's a lot of CTRL #screenshots message

[rare thunder]

why tf is the max elevator height 196 and not 200

[coarse heart]

yo, can anyone tell me why cant i open the invetory in my explorer?

[opaque wren]

I think it is 200 but it substracts the entrance floor.

[sick falcon]

why on earth do you have so much factory if ur only at steel 😭

[unkempt blade]

it's just to make you specifically mad

[opaque wren]

? I am on end of phase 4

[sick falcon]

oh i thought u were this guy oops

[unkempt blade]

I am he

[hoary light]

i have a question for energy
if i make coal factory for 120k energy output will that be enough for the rest of the game?

[feral jay]

120k megawatts?

[hoary light]

yea

[feral jay]

Not even close

Wait