satisfactory

[reef basin]

yeah I wouldn't recommend to do that ever. Build new factory, don't tap existing factories

[unkempt blade]

ahh ok 🙁

[reef basin]

see also https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[split condor]

Cool I will check that out

[young dirge]

mb found the option in gameplay menu instead of interface menu

[split condor]

I was ok until mid end of phase 4 now I have a few things to build, and things are kinda a pain because I did not plan as well as I thought I did. I used the on line planners but…. Of course I got side tracked….

[weary kestrel]

📖 actually a kinda good read, I need to adopt some of this logic

[reef basin]

well one of the "advantages" of the independency approach is that even if your previous factories were poorly planned, that doesn't affect your current or future factories 🙂

[weary kestrel]

so every one of my factories

[marsh locust]

Yeah becous its in the middle of my spaghetti base 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[zealous urchin]

planning vs every resource dragged to sea and pure

[hot burrow]

i was scrolling in #satisfactory-memes and i wasa drinking my coffe, i slammed my cup down because i saw somthing funny and my cup smashed into the big 'Destroy satisfactory 1.2" button

[cunning glade]

Technically if I don't use oil for aluminum nothing else besides plastic and rubber really use oil right?

[reef basin]

uhh, depends on recipes and such

[coral marsh]

Fuel

[cunning glade]

Well I wanna use 3900 oil for rocket fuel

[jovial beacon]

I spent like an hour mental mapping a factory and doing the math to make it work with no overflow, and I did it halfway and had to take a break come back and have no clue what I’m looking at or where to pick up from😭

[coral marsh]

Awww, dont over think it mate, clear your mind, take a look at the project, the recipes and it'll all come back

[cunning glade]

Well ig I'm fine

If I do that I can take down my 60gw plant which uses like 1800 oil

[coral marsh]

Blue crater has around 3500 total oil at max oc, maybe more

[cunning glade]

Plus there's that fracking node

[sullen gull]

2850

[coral marsh]

Ah, I knew it was high, just not sure of how high

[regal lantern]

Making notes helps, or just embrace insanity and do what you think looks right

[jovial beacon]

I think my brain is just fried from the long day but man it feels so weird cause this morning I was putting it all together and mathing out where everything had to go , come back hours later and I’m just lost😭

[regal lantern]

And hope it's not wrong

[cunning glade]

2550 no?

[coral marsh]

Thats fair, take a break, have something to eat or drink, unwind and come back

[cunning glade]

I swear I just did the math

Or is that including the like 6 impure ones

[jovial beacon]

I actually put it all in my notes app for how much of each individual thing I need pm to supply the next and the next etc… and and how much is going through each belt pm to keep a smooth chain, all for 2 hmf pm mind you🥀

[cunning glade]

But I should be fine tbh so yeah I think I'll use 3900 oil

[sullen gull]

You are correct, my bad

[cunning glade]

I was like what

[coral marsh]

If this next update does bring mk2 oil extractors, its gonna be interesting, getting nearly 6000 total oil just from blue crater is gonna level up so many fuel gen bases

[regal lantern]

There's a notes thing on the right of the screen you can use for that too, it's what I use when I do something unhinged

[cunning glade]

That's why I'm stealing more oil I'm gonna train

[jovial beacon]

I’m just gonna eyeball it all and mental map it out and try to see where I left off

[versed cosmos]

mk2 oil extractors would be insane

[coral marsh]

Really would be

But what we need is mk2 water extractors

[versed cosmos]

100%

[jovial beacon]

Oh so there’s only mk1 oil extractors?

[reef basin]

why tho

[jovial beacon]

I’m gonna be honest I avoided using a pure node purely because I thought I could put it to better use in later tiers 🥲

[cunning glade]

We need pipes with higher flow rate before they get better

[coral marsh]

1 mk2 water extractor wouldnt need a single shard for a reactor which would be phenomenal

[regal lantern]

Wat

[dense violet]

they don't run out, no reason to not

[coral marsh]

The math behind that is insane

[versed cosmos]

mk2 pipes are good enough

[coral marsh]

I used to advocate for mk3 pipes but realized how hard the coding would be

[versed cosmos]

a mk3 pipe would remove a lot of the challenge of later game builds

[reef basin]

it's not even about coding, people didn't master mk2 pipes yet

[cunning glade]

Skill issue

[coral marsh]

Ffs

[cunning glade]

MK2 pipes are easy

[jovial beacon]

I assumed I’d be bottlenecked by my early game stuff 🙂

[reef basin]

90% of people doesn't agree with that

[coral marsh]

I have sorta worked out using mk2 pipes with a valve

[versed cosmos]

valves 🤮

[reef basin]

yeah here's an example of someone that didn't master pipes 😛

[cunning glade]

Bros not a pipe maxer

[sullen gull]

No, 90% of people follow bad rhetoric imo 🤷‍♂️. But, 90% is a bold claim in itself.

[dense violet]

resources never run out and it's essentially physically impossible to use every node on the map to end production

[coral marsh]

No shit, man, I dont bother heavily about the math, I just play to have fun. Getting too technical takes away the fun in my opinion

[next dove]

I just started, and i'm currently in tier 0 upgrade 5, and i thought i should have the foundation, but i cannot find it. Am i wrong??

[weary kestrel]

There's complexities with mk2? I was just hoping that I could slap it on my crude oil node so it could flow without issue

[reef basin]

you can

[coral marsh]

Theres a lot

[versed cosmos]

foundations are in tier 1

[sullen gull]

I don't believe foundations come untill after onboarding

[dense violet]

just keep going. You're in the pre pre tutorial 🙂

[next dove]

Thanx, need to keep playing some more 😄

[regal lantern]

For a lot of people, the maths and technical part is the fun. Making a massive factory that functions perfectly with high throughput numbers activates all the neurones

I like doing massive unhinged things

[fickle locust]

Do other people have this thing where when you put in a somersloop, the first item produced isn't doubled and all subsequent ones are?

[regal lantern]

I need to do more, I don't know what cursed setup to do next

[dense violet]

that's how it works

[opaque wren]

I am trying to figure out the layout of my factory. I have a elvated factory doing everything until motors. I want to add another floor where I will probably do the plastic/ruber/microchip stuff and on top the railway floor. From what I read, I will need manufacturers but I do not have them unlocked. How tall are they? Is a 16/20m floor a decent target for that?

[versed cosmos]

microchip?

[cunning glade]

Make a factory for rubber and plastic and then train it around is what I do instead of doing it at base

[versed cosmos]

yeah moving fluids sucks

turn into solid product then ship by train

[weary kestrel]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manufacturer

[cunning glade]

Wiki might tell u

[fickle locust]

I feel like this should be mentioned somewhere on the wiki, it's not obvious that this is intended behavior

[versed cosmos]

it takes one operation for the machine to realise its slooped i guess

[dense violet]

afaik whenever you change a cycle, clocking, shards it applies to the next cycle
but also everything it can affect is also infinite and if you're going to say 'slugs' there's enough slugs on the map for 5000+ power shards and you can make them later

so it really doesn't matter

[versed cosmos]

i dont even sloop my slugs and i have more than enough shards

[cunning glade]

Let's see how many I need

[opaque wren]

That's what I plan - maybe my description was not good enough. I will make refineries nearby oil fields for both power and plastic/rubber and I will send them in via train. Then whatever uses the rubber/plastic will be handled in the floor in question.

[regal lantern]

5000+? Shards

[sullen gull]

Only if slooped. Otherwise 2k+

[regal lantern]

I don't think I got that many, even with slooping almost all of them after I collected every one

[dense violet]

you're either mistaken or missed a bunch.
Also - they are infinite with tier 9 or doggos

I really wish they could have though of something more interesting than duping to do with the alien tech honestly. Such a silly choice in an infinite resource production system

[versed cosmos]

Agreed

[regal lantern]

No, I definitely got all the slugs

Painstaking effort was applied

[dense violet]

then miscounting. Number of slugs is on the wiki

[regal lantern]

I've probably just not counted as I've used a bunch. Synthetic ones are always handy

[sullen gull]

596 blue, 389 yellow, and 257 purple.... Can do the math from that. Definately over 5 k slugs when slooped

[regal lantern]

Yeah, fair. I've just underestimated it all

[cunning glade]

Whats the burn rate of rocket fuel not oced

[dense violet]

it happens 🙂

[sullen gull]

4.1666667 iirc

[cunning glade]

2269.0895818472 that's how many fuel gens I need

Theoretically

[hot burrow]

how do i dupe liquids effectivley

[cunning glade]

So however many shards that is I'll find out in a sec I need too make pizza

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-why-confused-jack-black-gif-8714598

[hot burrow]

without powershards no sloop

[cunning glade]

Cuz that's how much oil i have too work with

[weary kestrel]

I'm struggling just to plan my first 300/min of oil in a layout 💀

[sullen gull]

I just meant why not over clocking, and then saw your next message after it was too late 🤣

[cunning glade]

Ah

My main concern is I'm gonna have 60 pa

But I wanna max oc them and then sloop them

[sullen gull]

For rocket fuel? or other stuff?

[cunning glade]

Cuz me want mk1 belt full of pasta

[cunning glade]

That's just for pasta

[dense violet]

use mods and cheat normally ofc

[unkempt blade]

you underclock everything to 50% then double the number of machines

[cunning glade]

Okay so overclocked it's only 907.63583273891 gens

So I need almost 3k shards

Good thing I can make them next tier

Or phase ig

How much sulfur is near blue is the real question and nitro ig

[hot burrow]

i want net outcome duh

[versed cosmos]

blue crater is the place for sulfur and nitrogen

[unkempt blade]

ahhhh ok so then you're going to want to overclock to 200% and build half the number of machines

[hot burrow]

oh my god, your a genius

[unkempt blade]

thanks my mom says so too

[hot burrow]

can i get her number to thank her

[regal lantern]

Why not overclock to 250 and have unround numbers to work with

[ornate saffron]

lots two diffren Nitrogen wells one in the crater and one west.

[cunning glade]

Nah I need more nitro

[sullen gull]

Firstly, because that doesn't always make a whole number.

[sullen gull]

There are two nodes of nitrogen nearby. One basically in, and another to the north

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=z53jiZ7fUYXGaujX6CBQ why does this have that wack line at the top am I the only one that sees that

[cunning glade]

Ye there's only 3150 I need 3781ish

[versed cosmos]

i see that too

also why dont you just do nitro rocket fuel?

oh wait for the amount you're making that's an ungodly amount of sulfur

[dense violet]

what are you making with it?

[cunning glade]

I do what tools tells me

Tho this recipe is very wack do u see the computer thing

[versed cosmos]

yes

[sullen gull]

Nitro is such a suflur sink. Need 2x the amouint

[cunning glade]

The more I look the more cursed it is wtf

[versed cosmos]

yeah

[cunning glade]

I have a pure cat smelter

[versed cosmos]

it is a lot simpler though

[sullen gull]

1285, 2565; 2156,1347; and 837, 1044..... Way more than you will need

[cunning glade]

What

[versed cosmos]

it wants you to make 0 pure copper ingot that then goes to nothing

also negative 0 quickwire

[sullen gull]

Idk, turbo blend setup is pretty "easy" #math-and-meta message

[sullen gull]

Locs for nitro

[ornate saffron]

ya, tools has had some oddities since it broke not long ago. Im sure Greeny is working on it

[cunning glade]

Me having 1.567 refinerys for 0 plastic a min

[versed cosmos]

it also has you making caterium ingots and quickwire but doesnt draw a line between the caterium ingots and quickwire

[cunning glade]

That then go into cb

That then go into computers

Bro why do I get the cursed tree

That's gonna be so fun too build

[versed cosmos]

ive noticed it does this if you enable more alt recipes and just with more complex trees

[cunning glade]

Do we think it's worth ocing it all

[versed cosmos]

id say so

youll need synthetic shards

[cunning glade]

Kinda what I'm thinking

[versed cosmos]

and oc the generators too

[cunning glade]

No?

[versed cosmos]

what do you even need this much rocket fuel for

[cunning glade]

There's like 5k right?

[versed cosmos]

yeah

[cunning glade]

The gens only use 2700 ish

[versed cosmos]

you have all slugs?

and arent spending lots of shards elsewhere?

[cunning glade]

No way the buildings use the other 2000

[cunning glade]

Not that many no mostly for 100 fuel gens but I destroy those once this is real

[versed cosmos]

i mean i would want synthetic shards if im using that many lol

[cunning glade]

Plan is once I can make them I start using them and maybe swapping out

I can technically buy power shards at 1 coupon cuz mods

Cuz I added more alts too t9 cuz why not

[sullen gull]

Heh, "synthetic" shards are no different than those obtained from slugs. Other than They're automated.

[cunning glade]

Ye ik

Swapping out is pointless but meh

[sullen gull]

Ahh, I read that as swapping out the shards lol. Assuming now you meant swapping which ones you're using

[hot burrow]

when she sloops on my powershard till i 500% overclocked

[cunning glade]

I may do both we shall see🤷

Anyways I got dishes so I can build this soon

Plus I'm working with the shitty coworker

[hot burrow]

Unoptimized*

[ornate saffron]

thats what your coworker said

[cunning glade]

Real

[cunning glade]

Working at 10% fr

[cunning glade]

No

[hot burrow]

.2 wh 🥀

[weary kestrel]

Anyone got just a simple ass layout for heavy oil residue -> diluted fuel power gen system?
I can't seem to figure out how to lay this out, other than making a single long line where each part is just production order with the empty canisters routing back to the front 💀 but surely there's a way of making it a bit more... confined

[hot burrow]

Doesn't the human mind run at 25 wats or somthing

[ornate saffron]

using blenders or packaged?>

[cunning glade]

Why build confined u have space if anything use slugs

[weary kestrel]

alt HOR & alt diluted packaged

[ornate saffron]

i got you i just built that over the weekend

[ornate saffron]

dm?

[cunning glade]

I have mine as a loop bottom makes all the packaged fuel on the bottom middle floor is gens and on the top is where it unpacks

[grim estuary]

If you set up batteries, will they keep consuming power even when they're fully charged?

[hot burrow]

They should make a sloop factory where you need 1 thousand power arms a second

[jovial beacon]

Guys can someone help me figure soemthing out?

I did some math for a factory and I’m getting lots of overflow and I was entirely under the assumption that I’d have none, so figuring this out would really help me understand the game for future builds 🙏

[scenic mirage]

#1038092680493801533

[jovial beacon]

Is just text there fine? I am unable to send screenshots because I have no Internet atm🥲

[scenic mirage]

maybe? try n lets see 🤷‍♂️

[dense violet]

just make them 1:1:1 , packager > refinery > unpackager

[hot burrow]

Make a 3:6:9 ratio lmao

[versed cosmos]

Batteries don't "consume" power, they just store any extra power you're generating but not consuming.

[weary kestrel]

Damn she fine?

[grim estuary]

Oh, epic

[scenic mirage]

batteries dont store any power. they're used for drones and other vehicles

[versed cosmos]

i assume they're talking about power storages

"batteries" gets used as a term for them too and given their question it seemed pretty clear that's what they were referring to

[zealous urchin]

hmmmm lets get to battery, capacitor, accumulator discussion since this community has nothing else to argue about and pretend its fine

[tranquil zinc]

refineries -->blender ---> refineries. Do I only need one water tower before the first set of refineries so that any upward pipes will not need headlift?

Or do I need water tower after refineries and after blender?

[zealous urchin]

do you need? water tower is only an aesthetic

[tranquil zinc]

I thought it was to prevent headlift issues?

[zealous urchin]

there is no pressure in this game

[tranquil zinc]

Like I won't need multiple pumps

[fluid crow]

mainly just if you need storage for some reason

[zealous urchin]

u need just one point in the system being highest

[dense violet]

pumps are simpler and essentially free. Plus they don't make you connect a ton of pipes together, whic his as plumbing no no

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf?2090cd

when it doubt, always refer to the pipeline manual

[tranquil zinc]

That's what I am planning, crude oil into water tower being in the highest point of my planned factory. Any upwards pipe in the subsequent production line will not need pumps if its elevation is lower than the water tower. Am I mistaken in this assumption?

[feral jay]

Be aware that the pipline manual is out of date, and some designs have been redacted by the author

[dense violet]

as soon as another machine uses fluid headlift resets

[feral jay]

Notably, the VIP junction

[jovial beacon]

I accidentally figured out my own problem while typing out the problem😭

[dense violet]

there's really no point

[scenic mirage]

retracted?

[feral jay]

Same thing

[tranquil zinc]

I see, so in my example refineries --> Blender --> refineries, headlift resets at each point in the production chain?

[dense violet]

every machine, buffer and pump resets headlift

[feral jay]

That manual really needs an update. It's good, but take it with a grain of salt is all I'm saying

[scenic mirage]

its really not tho, redact is to censor something private, and retract is to take back a statement you made

[feral jay]

yes, you're right

retracted then

[sullen gull]

Where as pumps reset it to 20 or 50m, every other machine resets it to 10m

[tranquil zinc]

So just make sure 3rd level refineries goes into 2nd level blender, goes to ground level refineries is the best

[dense violet]

no? Just use pumps. Why are you letting a nothing mechanic dictate how you lay out your entire factory?

if the power draw of a few pumps is that much of an issue for you your real problem is a terrible power system

[sullen gull]

Technically, they are correct, as they would only need to pump fluids to the 3rd floor in that setup

[fast ruin]

oh god i just reached pahse 4 and now i'm looking at pahse 5 items and it look like hell. It is certainely not satisfactory

[dense violet]

best is extremely subjective, so no 😛

[stone moth]

Hear me out, fluid awesome sinks

[feral jay]

FLuid feedback loops are a huge part of the problem solving in this game. Fluid sinks would render that challenge moot.

[ornate saffron]

phase 5 is not that bad, Just high power consumption phase 4 is the hard part

[dense violet]

and there's no universe where having headlift dictate layout of an entire system would be described as 'best' by me

[fast ruin]

dark matter stuff plus all the previously completed pieces times more

pressure cubes monkaS

[stone moth]

Excited photon matter is the hardest to automate trust

[scenic mirage]

i kinda cheesed phase 4 space elevator so i could do nuclear

for nuclear i needed power shards, a lot of them

[zealous urchin]

[sullen gull]

Tbf, I wasn't saying "best". Just saying that what they suggested will work and is fine. I don't personally agree with it either. But I try not to belittle new players as well 🤷‍♂️

[ornate saffron]

hmmm i have 200 or so and im working on phase 3

[versed cosmos]

fluid awesome sinks just remove the challenge of fluid byproducts entirely

[feral jay]

I only belittle the seasoned veterans

[ornate saffron]

fair

[dense violet]

pointing out that a nothing mechanic shouldn't dictate an entire design as it's not a real limiting factor and they are treating it like one is not 'belittling'.

[fast ruin]

i really want to do a pressure cube factory but when look at all the intermediary steps i'm falling out

[feral jay]

Break it down into small jobs

[eager harbor]

Cute pfp

[zealous urchin]

are u gonna fail to "no quest marker" game design gamer?

[versed cosmos]

first of all, use alt recipes

[fast ruin]

some alternate recipes are actually worst for me

[versed cosmos]

you have to pick and choose

alternate recipes are not better by default

there are no good and bad alt recipes. they're all situational

[ornate saffron]

break it down into segments. First find a area that satisfy's the largest amount of resources. (usually somewhere near water)

[modest kernel]

I thought after you kill creatures they dont respawn

[versed cosmos]

i love nitro rocket fuel for its simplicity, but everyone here talks about how awful it is because it needs twice as much sulfur as the standard production line

[ornate saffron]

my first Cube factory was over a small pond

[ornate saffron]

its fine if you dont need that sulfer. There is many sulfur nodes in the game using the onbes just in the blue crater for Nitro rocket fuel leaves plenty for other projects

[sullen gull]

Only if there is a powered structure nearby.

[modest kernel]

okay that explains why there is still a giant stinger chilling on top of this SAM node

[ornate saffron]

kill it witrh explosive rebar

[modest kernel]

I already did with a couple nobelisks

[ornate saffron]

mmmmm murder

[modest kernel]

I love genocide

thank god for arachnaphobia mode tho

[ornate saffron]

agreed. those things creep me out

[zealous urchin]

nitro is a normal chick who works a 9 5 job is sweet and takes care of u

standard rocket is a baddie that will push u to ur limits with a promise of a better future

hating on any of em is wrong

[modest kernel]

im not scared of spiders but i would be lying if they didn't give me the heebie jeebies

[versed cosmos]

i am scared of spiders and i fucking hate those evil creatures

i play on passive and i still aint going anywhere fuckin near them

[modest kernel]

lol

[modest kernel]

even if its a cat png?

[versed cosmos]

that cat png makes it worse

[scenic mirage]

its just gonna pavlov you to hate cats

[versed cosmos]

i think not seeing its actual movement messes with my brain

[coral marsh]

hey, @jovial beacon how's it going

[fast ruin]

ok gonna start to make those artificial power shards

idk how i'll manage the balance with dark matter tho

[jovial beacon]

Pretty awesome!

[coral marsh]

yay

[jovial beacon]

I accidentally made double the requirements for my hmf factory

[coral marsh]

lol

[jovial beacon]

I did my math wrong and didn’t account for the fact that modular frames are crafted once per minute two at a time

[coral marsh]

better to over do it than not

[jovial beacon]

So I’m producing 20 modular frames per minute instead of 10 which lets me work with double

So I can invest more and get 4 hmf pm instead of 2 😭

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
hell yeah

[coral marsh]

do you want a few of my blueprints'?

[jovial beacon]

I was super confused on why I had so much overflow until I started writing it down to ask for help on what I did wrong lmao

[coral marsh]

haha

[jovial beacon]

I’ll be quite honest there’s two things to this, first I have no Internet on my pc so I cannot currently download them, and second, I’m new and have no clue what blueprints are🥲

[scenic mirage]

how do you not have internet on your pc tho 😭

[jovial beacon]

I assumed it was a layout to see different players factories, but I see that they’re downloadable

[jovial beacon]

I don’t have Internet at all , I’m just using discord on my phone

[coral marsh]

fair

[fast ruin]

can i flush dark matter residue?

[cold geode]

Have they announced the winners of the ficsmas thingy yet?

[golden nexus]

theres an alt recipie which will just crystalize it and the nyou can sink it btw

[fast ruin]

i don't have it

oh you mean crystal

i'm already making some but making power shard create more dark matter than i use

[scenic mirage]

yall i could cry rn 🥲 smth like a month and a half working towards nuclear and its finally up, consistent 765 Gw now

[fast ruin]

ok i'm making now artificial power shards

[sturdy osprey]

im scared for future phases im only on 3

[fast ruin]

3 start to get pain. 4 is full body + spirit pain

[unkempt blade]

you're very well spoken and brave for only being 3 though so I believe in you to do great things next phase too

[cunning glade]

Somersloops can't be sinked right

So toilet would be the only way too get rid of them🤔

[fresh chasm]

is there a channel to download blueprints?

[sturdy osprey]

in the rules it says blueprint are not allowed in the discord

[grizzled lotus]

what happens if a drone runs out of fuel

[ornate saffron]

As far as I know if it doesnt have enough fuel to complete the trip it will not take off

[grizzled lotus]

I see. Because I just set up one drone just to see what it does, and I think it's just flying around over a drone port

[ornate saffron]

Thinking back though there has been a few instances where my drones have ....disappeared it was pre 1.0 so I assumed it was a bug. Mayhaps they ran out of fuel and crashed

[strong fiber]

😭

[strong fiber]

Is there a drone at the destination drone port?

[grizzled lotus]

I need to check. just recalling last time I played which was yesterday or day before

[strong fiber]

Because it wont complete the journey if theres a drone at the destination drone port because if its taking off it has enough fuel

[ornate saffron]

Ffs I keep telling myself to sleep then I pick up my phone. Nini for real lol

[weary kestrel]

me at 2am failing my fuel plant last night 💀 🤣

[gloomy elk]

Is there any guides on how to increase energy output optimisation

[weary kestrel]

Why don't you generate one mr tutorial? 🤣
but fr what tier of energy generation are we talking

[placid stirrup]

No guides that I'm aware of, it's typically just a few simple tricks.
Balance your coal gens when you get there. A guide for that is available should you want it.
After that, incorporating geothermal at the same time you are exploring is just free power. Pushes you to start producing a part you'll need plenty of anyways.
Next, there are a few really great alts for oil power production. HOR and both diluted recipes allow you to (I think) quadruple everything.
Turbofuel isn't a bad thing to produce, especially for its use in certain recipes, but many people go to rocket fuel for the increased energy density. Ion fuel isn't generally regarded as "worth it".

[hazy void]

is there a limit to how many frieght carts can go to 1 locomotive?

[abstract heron]

How much is enough per minute motors and rotors should i make?

[placid stirrup]

Four full freights per loco on a 2m incline

[abstract heron]

100 is that fine?

[placid stirrup]

There will never be a correct answer to "how many of ___ should I make?"

[hazy void]

i know more than 4 slows it down but is there a strict limit to how many cona be attached?

[placid stirrup]

On a flat surface the max has not been found yet

I believe someone did over 500 before they stopped

[wicked nacelle]

any amount slows it down - even how much is in a freight car slows it down. the 1:4 is for it not getting stuck on 2m ramps

[wicked nacelle]

oh I've done well over 500 (though they were empty)

[sullen gull]

42. Be set for the next 18k hours 😏

[abstract heron]

i want to do before a review having 50khr or 20khr TOTAL

and be like its a good game with a thumbs up review

and probbaly tag mikael? and jason?

i just did a 18000 quickwire project

[weary kestrel]

What does the 18000 quickwire feed into though

[sullen gull]

All the tings! 😏

[versed cosmos]

would it not have been more practical to transport the ingots and make quickwire on-site

[abstract heron]

making atm factorys of factorys

so all parts in game for other stuff

[grizzled lotus]

there's no power atm, but the power poles don't have breakers for me to try again. any ideas?

[abstract heron]

making storage then going into a bins then into my depo

and then on ground part is deleting it and then on start production i am sinking them so the machines can go for ever

[whole ermine]

Is there a way to make the tools in your hand smaller

or off to the side

[abstract heron]

Factorys of factorys meaning taking all that biome of ore and making basic parts for it

[fickle locust]

Press H to get rid of tools in vision

[strong fiber]

It means the grid is up it’s just that you not producing or using any power

I just means the grid is online

[sweet adder]

ive never made it to the end of the game, i just keep restarting new worlds

[strong fiber]

Ive never seen the point in that

Why would you make a world just to abandon it and not unlock all the games content

[sweet adder]

🤷

[strong fiber]

Atleast make it into phase 5 and do the milestones you dont gotta send off the space elevator but i like getting the full experience

[sweet adder]

i usually make it to nuclear

then quit

[strong fiber]

Im currently at 170 hours in my current save

[strong fiber]

I dont even unlock nuclear until phase 5

[sweet adder]

i nvr go nuclear

[strong fiber]

Because i need mk6 belts to transport allat quickwire i need bruh

[sweet adder]

i just at the tier

[strong fiber]

Im on my second play through now and im doing things differently

Like full play through

Like building an actual train network and putting time into detailing my factories

Also gonna try to make more blueprints to save time

[sweet adder]

ya i think my next one ima go super deep

and make detailed factories

[grizzled lotus]

where is the dune desert from the rocky desert?

[sullen gull]

head toward 2779,-1613 🙂

But, essentially opposite sides of the map

[cunning glade]

#screenshots message is there a way too fix this

i could just ignore them

but like it looks ugly

[grizzled lotus]

you seem like the kind of person to know, can a drone cross that distance on a stack of packaged fuel?

[strong fiber]

How many megawatts is bro tryna make

[sullen gull]

I don't see why not. Tbh, the dune desert is the one place I have not built in. But iirc its doable.

[cunning glade]

yes

[strong fiber]

Good luck on those 500 generators

😭

[sullen gull]

Think the last count was 908 😛

[strong fiber]

That’s assuming ur overclocking

No overclock is around 1000

[cunning glade]

907.6358327389 or so

[strong fiber]

Thats all you bruh😭

[cunning glade]

no oc was 2,269.089581847ish

[strong fiber]

R we dead ahh

567 GW

[cunning glade]

anyways anyway too not inculde the random bullshit in the line

[grizzled lotus]

now that I've unlocked drones, I'm thinking of building a mega storage something in that area. honestly one of my favorite regions

[strong fiber]

Id rather make a nuclear plant than spam generators honestly

[cunning glade]

prolly some for drones too

[strong fiber]

Production line is more important fun and interesting

Like 130 refineries like bro

[sullen gull]

Sounds fun. Not so needed anymore with the Dimesional Depots, but sounds fun never less 😛

[cunning glade]

That'll be next I'm gonna use all of the uranium

Prolly a thing for nukes too

[strong fiber]

Bros tryna make 1 TW

[cunning glade]

No I just wanna do perfect nuclear

[feral jay]

My province just announced we're breaking ground on a 10 gigawatt nuclear plant, it'll be the biggest in the world. Kinda puts a Satisfactory terawatt plant into perspective.

[grizzled lotus]

why does going south on the map cause the y coordinate to go up?

[feral jay]

I think that's an Unreal thing, just like the Y axis being normal to X and Z

[strong fiber]

But how i thought there was a max amount of UFR that you could make which limits the amount of Uranium Waste which limits plutonium and ficsonium production

[feral jay]

And oh yeah, that's not the Y axis lol

Someone did the math a while ago on the max possible pwoer output

Actually, not so much

Looks like around 10TW

[coral marsh]

10Tw is actually a really good amount of power

[feral jay]

And roundabouts the theoretical maximum

[sullen gull]

That with or without augmentors?

[feral jay]

I think that's with them

[coral marsh]

I like that.

[feral jay]

Judging by a few Reddit posts, anyway. It looks like nobody's actually done a challenge for it

[coral marsh]

If we ever get expansions for the game or if we ever get satisfactory 2, I wanna see the theoretical maximum pushed way beyond 10Tw, I wanna see that shit hit the petawatt range

I wanna see the ability to produce 10 Petawatt's of total power

[feral jay]

It's hard to figure out because you can't just... add more fuel to the power plants, you need to build the power plants

Which makes relocating sloops a cumbersome task

[coral marsh]

Ofc

[sullen gull]

pretty sure most computers probably have a stroke trying to even utilize that much power heh

[feral jay]

You can't just overclock a nuke plant, you need to build the water infrastructure to supply it, too

It would make for an interesting community challenge, along the same lines as speedruns

[coral marsh]

You guys do realize this is a personal wish not a need, right? Like its something id love to see happen one day, but it most likely wont which is also fine

[feral jay]

ofc each challenge would take months to build... but still, intereting

[coral marsh]

10 Terawatts is a gargantuan amount of power to use or produce, but ive always been fascinated with absurdly large values in physics and math's

[grizzled lotus]

dimensional depots are great, except you need a large number of spheres. and also they're good at funneling stuff into your inventory but don't really do anything if you want to build factories

[sullen gull]

That is not true. You can build factories straight from the DD

[feral jay]

ooh I read a paper once about that, shit, can I find it again?

[grizzled lotus]

? how?

[sullen gull]

I will agree that 97 spheres for full DD upgrades can be a lot ..

[sullen gull]

If the items aren't in your inventory, it will automatically pull from the DD

However, be sure to set the "Take from inventory before depot" setting. Else you can fill up inventory quick

[sullen gull]

Signified by the items having a purple highlight when pulled from DD

[whole ermine]

arent you not supposed to use 1m foundations for building since they can be misaligned?

or is that fixed

[coral marsh]

New zealands annual power usage is 40 thousand Twhr's, we are a decently sized island off the coast of Australia, with a population of 5.4-5.5 million and we run entirely without nuclear, its all hydro electric, wind, coal and/or geothermal mostly produced in the south island. Me wanting to be able to see 10Pw of power production is so i can come to produce the countries annual supply

[sullen gull]

If trying to use the world grid. Not sure if fixed. Havn't used the world grid for some time. Personally I always use 4m if going straight on the ground. 2m if I am trying to go "just above"

[opaque wren]

Does using the SCIM to edit the savefile have any negative impact?

[grizzled lotus]

oh, that's not what I meant. I know I can build from the dimensional inventory, I meant if you want to use compact coal to manufacture turbo fuel, dimensional depots don't do anything. so they're good for putting stuff in your inventory, but not transferring inputs for different factories or setups.

[sullen gull]

Er, yeah, not what it's intended for at all.

[sullen gull]

Not typically. Though your miliage may vary like most things. Always make backups.

[opaque wren]

I have a bug where the inventory size is not increased on research - I simply want to fix that and nothing more.

[sullen gull]

Odd. But otherwise, should be fine to adjust with SCIM.

[opaque wren]

Apparently it is a known issue (at least according to forums) but it seems devs never fixed it.

[wispy osprey]

How do I decide a logistics model, there's way too much i can do just with one process

[feral jay]

Ours in Ontario is 50% or so nuclear, but we have shitloads of fresh water and lots of uranium in Canada

[sullen gull]

Personally I use Satisfactory Modeler, which I find the organization much more powerful. But can also use Satisfactory Tools and it's tabs if you want to just autogenerate production chains.

[wispy osprey]

My current model is deciding where my input goes or letting it overflow to the next process.

This branches out massively and uses so many machines in one condensed location

[versed cosmos]

It sounds like you haven't given yourself enough space

[wispy osprey]

I'm actually giving myself a lot of space, this branches out a single resource rather than gathers other resources to make separate processes

[lime kraken]

Is there a way to adjust height while placing BP‘s?

[sullen gull]

H then Nudge

[versed cosmos]

h to lock it in place and then page up

[fickle locust]

I hate Heavy Modular Frames

More concrete, more concrete, more concrete

[versed cosmos]

they're really not that bad

encased heavy frames alt makes it a lot easier

[wispy osprey]

I'm just curious what this type of logistics model is actually called.

I'm not the only person that's come up with the process of turning off machines to let input go to the next process

[versed cosmos]

plus building your initial modular frames factory to have your hmf factory attached to it

although that is just for my own building supplies

[wispy osprey]

Maybe it's actually just called change over

That's where I got the idea from anyway

[vague jetty]

Are the alternative plans you get from the hard drives randomized

[versed cosmos]

yes

they pull randomly from a list but that list excludes recipes you already have

[sullen gull]

Or have in the list waiting to be accepted

[versed cosmos]

yeah

bunch of things you can do to better your chances of getting a specific recipe

dont select recipes so they fill up the library and recipe the number of recipes that can be rolled

also scan hard drives before unlocking stuff

[peak wasp]

🐊 👍

[grizzled lotus]

just to make sure, but if I make two drone ports (a home port and a destination port) only one drone is needed for both, right?

[versed cosmos]

havent used drones but yeah that makes intuitive sense

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch drone

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=drone

[versed cosmos]

tbh best advice is to just try it

[grizzled lotus]

ok, I see the problem now. there is no drone between these two ports, and when I try to build on one of them it says a drone is already assigned.

the problem was that I was turning a destination port into a home port. guess I have to delete the original home port

[gloomy elk]

Its my first play through but im already working on fuel generation, not entirely sure what recipes etc would be the better ones

[sullen gull]

If doing regular fuel, the "better" options are Diluted Packaged (refineries and packagers) or Diluted Fuel (Blenders)

Also using the Heavy Oil Residue alt

[gloomy elk]

My current recipe is the poly-residue one but is there a better one i could find?

[sullen gull]

Those mentioned before. If you don't have blenders yet, The Diluted Packaged is one you'd be searching for

And Heavy Oil Residue.

[wispy osprey]

The most useful application of drones is empty gas canisters to nitrogen, send packaged gas back to you

Nitrogen is so fucking far out of the way that nearly every node is not worth sending a train to

[gloomy elk]

Would that increase my total output, energy, fuel and material wise? I only intend of playing the game once so im tryna get as much as i can out of as little as i can

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

That's from 300 oil

[gloomy elk]

What kinda areas would i be better off creating hubs for oil cause my current output is 240 and i need it to go up by alot

I tried using the interactive map but because i havent unlocked a great deal of the map i cant use it as a very good reference

[sullen gull]

You would need to find some slugs and overclock the oil extractor. Or use multiple nodes. the blue crater is a good spot (SE corner of map), or maybe the West coast (Can't remeber the region name)

[weary kestrel]

Go for a jog with the node location feature

[whole ermine]

Should i go with 8 or 6 walls high

factory

[stray summit]

graet idea
dont use big factories
Get blueprints that have over 40 terrawatts worth of factory within a 2x2 foundation because they somehow did that
load it up
pc crashes

told from experience
( i found a powerplant blueprint that fitted within a 2x2 square and it said it made 360 GIGAWATTS- it crashed ma pc )

[whole ermine]

ok im going with 8

[fickle locust]

So much concrete... 40 HMF a minute #screenshots message

[opaque wren]

People saying that transporting oil large distances sucks. Is this because of headlift limitations or is there another reason?

[whole ermine]

pipes used to be annoying before autoconnect blueprints

tanker cars kinda suck

[fickle locust]

There's a baseline difficulty that rail capacity is lower for fluids than for solids
And then there's a difficulty working with pipes, people find it harder than solid materials

[sullen gull]

I think personally a lot of it stems from earlier EA issues. Imo, so long as one goes straight up and over to where they need if pipeing. Can train it, via packaged or fluid car, but as far as I can tell, ymmv

[dense violet]

Just need to buffer it properly like with solids.
It’s just you can’t really be messy with pipes like you can with bekts

[sullen gull]

I've personally never used trains or any other method to move fluids though. I have run some VERY long pipes with zero issue though 😛

[whole ermine]

oh i remember cobaltofdoom from when i last played!

that was a long time ago, glad to see youre still playing

dunno how yall can like just play one game

[stray summit]

because who the fuck actually has time to make highways

WAIT!
COFFEESTAIN!
when are we getting fluid drones?

weve got fluid trains

[opaque wren]

I don't want to train it. I just want long pipes so I can build my power plant in the middle of the ocean.

[sullen gull]

And, no real "limitations" to headlift, Can pump all the way up to the death zone if one so chose. Just requires lots of pumps 😛

[stray summit]

i once made a personell elevator that goes to the death limit
took about 10 maxed out elevators if youre curious

[sullen gull]

Keep them flat, only go up when needed, and just measure heights accordingly so you'll know how many pumps, mk1/2, etc

[fickle locust]

Why did I just look at my spreadsheet and see I only need 20 HMF per minute and not 40

Oh, good, it's because there was a calculation error, I do need this many

[feral jay]

You need more

[fickle locust]

If that work had been unnecessary that would have been infuriating

[fickle locust]

Please no #screenshots message

[feral jay]

That's kiddie stuff. Quadruple it.

Also, build vertically

[fickle locust]

There is a lower level where all the pipes and concrete are being made, but it fits around the terrain such that I can't show it

[feral jay]

(just making jabs, I like it)

[fickle locust]

It looks like the only really aggravating thing remaining is the 40 computers (on top of the 40 computers, and the 75 more computers I already did)

And then I get to do 22.5 pasta (20 for elevator, 2.5 more for singularity cells)

[feral jay]

You're way past where I am in my save

I'm jsut trying to amass ten million ficsmas gifts before the 18th

I think I need more trees

I have 35k snowballs stockpiled. Is that enough?

[coral marsh]

Which alt you using

[coral marsh]

Nah you need 35.556k/4 thirds pi minus 78.495% snowballs

[fickle locust]

A bunch of stuff but this ends with encased heavy frames

[coral marsh]

Fun

[fickle locust]

I'm very happy I made it work up in the far top left corner of the map. Lots of limestone which was very important since I used all the concreted recipes

[coral marsh]

Wet concrete is a life saver

[feral jay]

Well, that depends on which method you're using to calculate pi

[coral marsh]

Just use 3.14

[feral jay]

rube

Use 22/7

[coral marsh]

Lol

[feral jay]

3.1415926539 I have committed to memory

That's probably enough, for most purposes

[coral marsh]

My phones pin is the longest code ive got memorized

[feral jay]

hey that's a good belated new year's resolution — commit two more digitas of pi to memory

Just to make me sound smart

[coral marsh]

Haha

My mate used to have Pi memorized down to 20 digits

[feral jay]

3.14159265389

That's the new number

It's strangely a very irrational nmumber to commit to memory

There's no pattern

[coral marsh]

Yee

Anyway, just remembered, now its rhe wrong chat lol

[feral jay]

You try to round it off and it gets all fucky on you

heh sry

[coral marsh]

Nah its good lol

Im busy having dinner anyway

[feral jay]

I don't worry about it too much when the channel's not busy, unless people complain

Thing is, I'm good with memorizing esoteric numbers, like my driver's license and social insurance (government tax id) number

It's wacky

I can call up the cable company and tell them "don't worry about my phone number, my account is 457154846875"

[mystic crag]

How do I test a blueprint in the blueprint maker, cause some of my splitters aren't splitting stuff and I want to hand test it to fix it

When I try to use a storage container in the blueprint no items move

[leaden turret]

you gonna break people's brains with yours, routine in call centers would help pass the monotonous time

[feral jay]

My favorite is my ISP, I signed on with them when they were a wee little ISP and now they're big, so my four digit customer number just leaves them waiting for more digits

[placid comet]

I haven't figured it out yet. What's the point of liquid buffering?

[regal lantern]

That's the excitement!

[grizzled lotus]

is there a way to use any of the tools to figure out which is the more efficient recipe for something?

for example, if I'm producing turbo fuel, should I use diluted packaged fuel or turbo heavy fuel

[stuck dagger]

Well, diluted fuel gets you more fuel per crude but turbo heavy lets you skip the fuel step (if used with heavy oil alt)

Which would you rather have?

[placid comet]

Depends on what kind of operation you're running and what resources are being moved. Do you want a dedicated fuel operation or are you making fuel to get rid of residue?

[grizzled lotus]

I'm thinking of producing turbofuel

packaged turbofuel

[placid comet]

In most cases alt recipes offer different options, not better ones necessarily

[grizzled lotus]

diluted packaged fuel

[stuck dagger]

It's the same unit cost iirc, except that you need to refill the canisters

[grizzled lotus]

I have diluted packaged fuel, alternate heavy oil, and I can pick up turbo heavy fuel

canisters won't be an issue since I have a good alternate recipe for that only requires iron and copper

[placid comet]

In that case you'll want enough plastic production for making containers and pump both those and the fuel through a packaging station

[stuck dagger]

I used heavy oil + heavy turbo, didn't really care that it made less turbo per crude

[placid comet]

As for which recipe, use your best judgement. Again, they offer options based on what you have available

[stuck dagger]

It was for power to get me through phase 3, before doing nuclear in phase 4

[jovial beacon]

Hey guys quick question, i see a graph thing with numbers next to the crafting time, on different crafting things, what is that?

[grizzled lotus]

I think I'll use the heavy turbo fuel, fewer steps and less of a headache

[placid comet]

Perfectly valid choice

[stuck dagger]

I saved my headaches for nuclear

[grizzled lotus]

if it's the percentage, it's "upkeep". it basically tells you how often the machine is working. it should be 100%. IF not, it means it's not always on, usually due to low input, so you might want to increase input

[placid comet]

If you're still not sure, build small and test the waters. It'll save headache if you want to rearrange

[jovial beacon]

I have a bunch of overflow on everything except screws it’s a pain😭

Thank you for the answer btw that’s a huge help

[gleaming void]

does having multiple alien power augmenters increase the boost?

[placid comet]

Yea the efficiency percentage tells you how well demand is being met. It helps you determine if anything is wrong

[gleaming void]

preciate it

[jovial beacon]

Wait I’m watching it and I’m still seeing it say idle now and again even tho all of my resources have overflow now, it’s at 91% efficiency

[stuck dagger]

Scales linearly iirc, so 1 is 10% and 2 is 20% (if those numbers are correct)

[placid comet]

Which machine?

[jovial beacon]

Manufacturer

[placid comet]

What's being made?

[jovial beacon]

Man I was very convinced this thing would be crazy inefficient too but 8.6 hmf pm isn’t that bad

[jovial beacon]

Heavy modular frames

[placid comet]

And all resource demand is being met on time?

[jovial beacon]

Yes all of my lines have pretty extreme overflow

[placid comet]

A good way to tell is the [number]per minute.

[jovial beacon]

Oh no nvm I see it

The screw count is staying ahead and once every few crafts it lags behind by a step and the machine goes idle

[placid comet]

Oh yep. Even if the previous machine has the right setting, THAT demand must be met too

[jovial beacon]

Screw I’m gonna add 3 more constructors to meet screw demands

[placid comet]

Fret not screws are everyone's bane

[jovial beacon]

Wait I just realized I haven’t split my lines for my screws, I have loads and loads of overflow I can triple my screw output easily

[wispy osprey]

I don't want to think too much about it but making more parts from one input as a change over system breaks my brain

It gets out of hand when multiple parts require multiple other parts

[jovial beacon]

Heavy modular frame factories 🥀

I stayed up 3 hrs later than I meant to, for a “massive” , 8 per minute

I wanna say this bad boy is around 5 stories tall of just a bunch of nonsense

[wispy osprey]

When I switch what my factory produces the goal is to use the largest number input to work with in manufacturing

[grizzled lotus]

I wanted to make a drone logistics network, and I wanted drones to supply other ports with turbofuel. But, if I can only send a drone to one port and back, how am I supposed to do that without having one fuel drone for every drone?

[grizzled lotus]

I feel you. I went through that recently. oh, and computers then radio control units

[wispy osprey]

Mid-late game asks a lot from you and your time

[ruby jay]

Thats the difficult or limiting part with drones

[wispy osprey]

Vehicles that require any fuel delivery is a quick and easy way for people to want to skip them outright for just trains

[grizzled lotus]

what is family if not a sacrifice for greatness

[wispy osprey]

Funny number go up

[jovial beacon]

I finally fixed my hmf factory, i just managed 8 pm at 100% upkeep

[grizzled lotus]

I want to stop with trains because of how often I end up troubleshooting signal problems

[jovial beacon]

I was having so much trouble with it at 87-90%😭

[grizzled lotus]

I'll still try to completely move to drones from now.

[ruby jay]

You could put a industrial container at remote location, and hand fill it with uranium/plutonium rods. The drone flies forever with single pluto rod 😄

[jovial beacon]

I think now I’m finally gonna start doing trains

[wispy osprey]

Signals within 10 foundations are not a good idea unless it's another junction

[jovial beacon]

I’ve been getting sick and tired of launching myself with tubes around the map between my factories

[wispy osprey]

It's literally block exits and path which direction your train is facing

[grizzled lotus]

fuel efficiency isn't the problem, it's just that I cant make drones take detours (I think?) like I can with tractors and stuff

maybe tractors are the real friends we just didn't appreciate

[jovial beacon]

Guys my walls flicker into and out of existence in my hmf factory

Is that normal for larger builds?

[signal delta]

yep

[wispy osprey]

It's a sign that your building count is getting kinda high

[jovial beacon]

Will that only apply if it’s all clustered in a Area?

[wispy osprey]

A reminder though that you'll run out of RAM space before you reach the build object limit in satisfactory

[signal delta]

UEngine is telling you to cut it the hell out before it gives you a kernel error from your RAM trying to process the info... its any clustered space

[jovial beacon]

I’m gonna check my task manager I wanna see how bad I’ve done it

[signal delta]

i have my factory spread out over 4000m so i dont get flickers

[wispy osprey]

I'm pretty sure my foundation count alone is already in the thousands

[signal delta]

i got the achieve for 5000 foundations 4 days ago XD

[ruby jay]

OK, my drone networks usually just has one empty drone port where my fuel production is, and then any remote location has a fuel pickup drone that goes to get fuel from there, and is then spread with belts to ports in its proximity.

[jovial beacon]

I’m at 75% cpu usage, 40% ram, 85% on my gpu that doesn’t seem so bad

[jovial beacon]

I’m so sad I’m not getting achievements for playing offline 😭

[signal delta]

it is when you realize when the game first launched before you built any of that you were only at 20% usage

[grizzled lotus]

can you paint a schematic? ||plz||

[signal delta]

my usage for satisfactory is 24% CPU 9GB of my ram used

i dont even wanna look at what my server PC is using to host this either XD

[jovial beacon]

Uh oh I’m using 13 GBs ram

[signal delta]

Yea see LOL

[jovial beacon]

Whoa I just noticed I’m at 4800 mts instead of 6k

I’m gonna have to fix that later

It’s rising in at 84% cpu usage

[jovial beacon]

Will it only be so demanding if I’m within rendering distance?

[signal delta]

pretty much, but your system will get shocked each time you hit that rendering area

keep your builds neat, dont overdo it, but dont make it look like crap and youll be fine

[jovial beacon]

I’ll be honest I just kept building vertically to keep all the mini stuff maintained in a uniform area😭

[signal delta]

yeah dont do that LOL

[jovial beacon]

Then I closed it all off 💔

[signal delta]

RIP you have alot of work ahead of you

dont feel bad, so do i LOL

[jovial beacon]

If it’s bad I could just mass delete the walls and leave a spaghetti mess of just floors stacked

Sucks cause I liked the visual of a giant concrete building 😭

[signal delta]

i mean, thats what im doing until i have a decent foothold on all my production, then ill be organizing each area until i have it the way i want

i PMed you a example of what im dealing with

[jovial beacon]

I wonder if mass deleting 50 walls at once will crash my game

[signal delta]

nope i do it all the time

[jovial beacon]

That is so many fluid buffers and pumps holy

[hardy wigeon]

i just started a new save from my pre 1.0 save that had just hit nuclear. im missing a lot of stuff from then but fluid dynamics i am not missing

[signal delta]

thats my small fuel reserve, i have a larger one

[jovial beacon]

I have had so much issue with fluids I don’t think I could ever move them that much distance without troubleshooting something 😭

[signal delta]

i can teach you 🙂

[ruby jay]

yeah. check dm

[stuck dagger]

My philosophy about fluids is "eh it'll work itself out" and amazingly it works 90% of the time

[hardy wigeon]

LOL this is me

my first battery farm is a hot mess but it works. most of the time. gotta unclog something every now and then

[stuck dagger]

the one time it didn't was in my nuclear setup and admittedly I was doing something especially silly there

But I got rid of the buffers and since then it's been fine

[hardy wigeon]

ive never NEEDED buffers

[ruby jay]

Not even double pipe feed high troughput train station?

[hardy wigeon]

haha ive never gotten THAT complicated

im honestly amazed in my old saved i stumbled my way up to nuclear

[dusky hedge]

curious, is it faster to move fluids long distance in a half full or full pipe?

ie 2 half full or one full

[ruby jay]

Idk, but buffer with double pipe connection can help with trainstations as the the feed to station is blocked when train loading animation plays, so it has time to catch up

[dusky hedge]

yeah thats what made me think of it, first i thought have buffers totalling the same amount a station holds, then i figured that sloshing is more of an issue with full pipes into a buffer than half full pipes

so it makes sense that long distance transfer is similar

i always treat fluid as transfer between containers not movement

[regal lantern]

It's honestly better to package liquids and move them that way, saves needing buffers and gives you way more liquid per train

[ruby jay]

Sure, but the game has tractors, trucks and even liquid trucks in future. Most likely will be using them too

[coral marsh]

Random thought i just had, would it be dumb (if one was to pipe fluids over a very long distance) to place fluid buffers every so often down the line? I dont plan on doing it, im just curious

(Im bored scanning hard drives so im gonna be thinking of probably stupid ideas lol)

[ruby jay]

Only have ran nitrogen in long pipes, gas atleast works fine

[dusky hedge]

yoiu can sacn hard drives while you explore, just rebuild and delete a mam in the wilderness

[feral jay]

Yes, that would be dumb. Fluid buffers are nothing more than large pipes. THey solve very, very few problems.

[coral marsh]

Again, stupid idea

But thanks for entertaining it

[feral jay]

Oh, I am not entertaining it. It's a jackass idea and you're a jackass for suggesting it

[coral marsh]

Oh I know, im bored by choice because I dont have anything else to really do until I get a specific alt recipe that I (admittedly, stupidly skipped earlier)

[feral jay]

(sry watching a comedy series where that's used as a term of endearment)

[coral marsh]

Well fuck you then 🤣

(That was a joke)

[feral jay]

jackass

[coral marsh]

Ira haunga

[feral jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH-Sr4z9_Zo

[shy mulch]

That would offer exactly zero improvement to anything

[feral jay]

Great Canadian comedy series

[coral marsh]

Question has already been answered my guy

[shy mulch]

apologies for not studying the chat carefully enough, I'll go exit via the window now

[coral marsh]

Do not defenistrate thyself

[feral jay]

You're already fired. Security will see you out.

[coral marsh]

Btw, any guesses as to what "Ira Haunga" means?

[shy mulch]

I can't be bothered to google what that means, no need to slap someone for trying to answer a question

[feral jay]

Well I mean, phoenetically, it sounds like "I'm hungry" and I thought that was literally what you meant

[coral marsh]

Defenistration is the act of throwing a person through a window

[feral jay]

No no no, they fall through the windows

[fluid crow]

why does my riffle have 65/15 bullets

[feral jay]

That's an odd glitch

Happens to me too once in a blue moon

No idea why

[fluid crow]

right on wasn't sure how it happened

[feral jay]

And they're not bullets, they're rounds. The bullet is the lead tip at the pointy end of the round. (/pedantry)

[hardy wigeon]

little killy bang bang

[fluid crow]

these are just copper and smokeless powder

[feral jay]

Importantly, a round can have multiple bullets, in some weird configurations

Well actually most shotgun rounds have multiple bullets, excepting slugs

[ruby jay]

But in shotgun, they are called shots

[hardy wigeon]

big boom killy kill

[feral jay]

In my part of the world, we call them bulllets

One round many bullets duck quack quack poof screesch poof splash

Then (NSFW) and then eat the duck

[hardy wigeon]

now i want duck.

[fluid crow]

🦆

[feral jay]

Oh and give the dog a bone, he earned it

I don't wanna trudge through that swamp

8 million ficsmas gifts now

I want ten

[fluid crow]

make sure to flush some down the toilet!

damn this endless mag was nice!

[leaden turret]

misread "some" as "someone"

[coral marsh]

If given the opportunity, would any of you actually take the place of the pioneer? Like, if the game suddenly became a real thing to do.

[leaden turret]

• no rent ✅
• no internet ❌

[stoic laurel]

just finished making my oil refineries and fuel generators for the first time ever #screenshots message

[coral marsh]

I know I would do it

[leaden turret]

is canon that there are only two games you can play in the hub:

1. packager mini game
2. day job simulator

[coral marsh]

I'd have fun walking around and hiking

Tending to machines etc

It would never bore me

[leaden turret]

is also canon that you can't poop with the toilet door closed

[coral marsh]

Dude

If im the only one on the planet, why should I care

[leaden turret]

is also canon you have up to 3 coworkers swinging by

[stoic laurel]

but you arent the only one on the planet looks at the camera that ADA watches us through when in the HUB

[fluid crow]

fr I poop where I want now

[leaden turret]

I mean I poop with the door open because I live alone 😛

[coral marsh]

You guys think that'd stop me? If they want full view of me, they'll get it, im not afraid of being an exhibitionist lmfao

[leaden turret]

but do you really wanna hear and smell the pbbbbbbllllbbbpppt plop of your coworkers?

[coral marsh]

Why would I be around the hub if I am aware of my co workers taking a bathroom break

[leaden turret]

coworkers gotta poop when you sleepin

[coral marsh]

Im a heavy sleeper

[leaden turret]

you gonna be breating in farticles in your sleep unless you remember to slot in some gas mask filters

[coral marsh]

You guys really dont get it, i wouldnt give a shit, it wouldn't bother me, taking a shit or a piss is natural and why would I exert an issue with that, no I wouldnt like it, but I wouldn't let it bother me

[coral marsh]

Assuming id sleep in the hub.

Its a planet, there are far more options of places to sleep, a lot of them up really bloody high away from enemy animals

[leaden turret]

⛺

⬛ 🪦

[coral marsh]

Stop trying to fkin ruin it

[leaden turret]

if I'm not putting you off, I'm not ruining it

[coral marsh]

Its very hard to "put me off" anything, though I do get annoyed easily

[weary kestrel]

Anyone smart got two secs to sanity check some fuel shenanigans
#screenshots message

Actually more the point, design shenanigans

[leaden turret]

if nobody responds, post in #1038092680493801533 w/ more images

[weary kestrel]

Threads bleh, do people use them? 🤣

[shy mulch]

yes, a lot, it's better than asking here if you want actual help

this is a channel for chit chat, moaning about stuff, and general things

[weary kestrel]

Touché, I just yap in here more often than not

[coral marsh]

Got the HOR recipe I wanted, finally

[daring arch]

hor?

[coral marsh]

Heavy Oil Residue

[daring arch]

oh

thx

[coral marsh]

The alt recipe i wanted an got, turns crude oil into HoR as the main product and a tiny bit of polymer resin as a bi product

Its much better and easier to use in calculations for turning HoR into fuel

If you want plastic though, you can just setup some more refineries and a couple water extractors to turn the polymer resin into plastic

Or the same for residual rubber (residual plastic is the other recipe for plastic)

[umbral lynx]

What are these short terms 😭

[green fiber]

You'll learn soon enough

Look at some items and abbreviate their names. If its multiple words in a name, its usually the initials

[wispy osprey]

If I'm being honest I'm kinda burned out with this game currently lol

I played it daily for hours for a decent bit though

[green fiber]

Then take a break

Clears the mind

[fluid crow]

It's hard making these trains not look like a hurl coaster

[scenic mirage]

i finally got nuclear up and running are you proud

765 Gw to use now 😄

[green fiber]

I dont remember that at all

[scenic mirage]

i mean i dont see how you would, i just did it yesterday

last night

[manic merlin]

why do some people have like 40,000+ megawatts above their current consumption yet still expand power

[vague plume]

Good afternoon CET time zone

What do u guys think is the most MF... most hated... iriitating creature in the game?

In my oppinion Hatcher... i hate them exploding bees

[ruby jay]

Like a clay pigeons, shooting practice with rifle

Turbo ammunition works like a flak, point at general direction 😄

[willow oar]

How many wagons are okay for a train that goes up a lot?
After making my new line work well for hours I put the stuff in stations and it got stuck... Thought too many trains... No, 6 wagons was too much for the train to get up, even more after a red stop

[green fiber]

Depends on the slope

check the freight car page on the wiki

!wikisearch freight+car

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=freight+car

[unkempt blade]

I usually stick to 1 engine per 4 freights which should be enough for slopes

[abstract heron]

someone making a train?

[willow oar]

I made my stations extra large with 10 dunno name to load unload, if I add another station at the other end, and make 2 trains, one for one end and one for the other, each with 5 wagons, will it works? (Station end with a curve to turn back) I took so much time to make them and have signals works...

[green fiber]

1 to 5 works if the slope of the rails isnt too big and if the cars arent too full

[willow oar]

Currently building my new mega storage at the center of the map (very hight), made 3 stations on origin place, 3 stations there (need to build one on desert later)
Counted about 20-25 items to send to my center storage from origin (including nuclear plant close by origin)

[willow oar]

I lost lots of time to check (as trains where falling back and wrecking others trains waiting at the entrance) lots of micro management... 6 wagons that looked full I was able to go to minimum 20-30km/h at max hight part (a blueprint with spiral)

[green fiber]

Spirals are the worst kind for trains in terms of friction forces but if its pretty gentle pitch it might work

[leaden turret]

aesthetics tho

[green fiber]

Form over function aah moment

[zenith sage]

Dear god... the amount of outgoing mk4 belts...
#screenshots message

[wheat flax]

i don't know how to ask this but how do you go about setting production goals? i am at T5-6 and want to redesign my iron stuffs production with t2 miners, don't know how many rods/iron plates/screws to produce

[reef basin]

why not keep the existing production? do you need more?

[wheat flax]

do you assign an iron deposit to producing just one thing?

[reef basin]

you assign as much iron ore as you need for your set goal

[eager harbor]

Arc raiders peakkkk

[wheat flax]

it's kind of noodl-ey and i am producing way too many screws and not enough iron plates

[reef basin]

keep what you have, build more separated if you need more (though what do you need screws for? )

[zenith sage]

Just eliminate screws entirely

[reef basin]

no reason to do so

[wheat flax]

don't have all the alternates yet

it's a vague question anyway, i will come back with something more specific if i don't figure it out

[zenith sage]

Cutting down on production steps is a reason enough for me, but it's definitely not needed

[reef basin]

skipping screws doesn't always cut a production step down

[zenith sage]

Although I just hate anything that explodes in number after production like screws or wire and becomes a belt logistics headache

[reef basin]

that's why you make them directly in front of next machine

[zenith sage]

It doesn't eliminate belt throughput issue

[reef basin]

no recipe needs more than one belt worth of throughput

[wheat flax]

i have 3 iron nodes and i tried to balance each output (when i had t2 belts) to eventually lead to either rotors or reinforced plates or modular frames. but they are all over the place and now that i don't need smart plates for a while, i think i am making too many rotors. also, the end products are all over the place and it's a pain running between them

was thinking of upgrading miners to 120 output and work out new production goals

[mortal ginkgo]

making steel screws near heavy modular frames (the most screw demanding recipe) is good enough

one building, machine 260/min~ screw that can be routed via mk3 belt etc

[reef basin]

the end products are all over the place and it's a pain running between them
use depots 🙂

[zenith sage]

Btw.. how do you calculate product income per minute from train transport?

[reef basin]

how much you put in on one side, that much you get on other side

[zenith sage]

Well yeah... what about the per minute part...

[ruby jay]

train roundtrip time, number of slots in cars, stack size?

[reef basin]

how much per minute you put in on one side, that much per minute you get on the other side 🙂

[unborn oar]

is there a way to optimize the game more for more fps?

[ornate saffron]

Buffer it with a industrial organizer on both ends. Have more or less in the buffer depending on the train input and out. If you have a large distance you may need a larger buffer pool. Some trail and error will get you where you need to go

[wheat flax]

truck depots? for that i need space because i also crammed the together 😄 which again leads me to redesigning

[zenith sage]

That's clearer, thanks

[green fiber]

Lower graphics, spread out your factories

[pulsar snow]

The absolute jankieness of blueprints is killing my desire to keep playing this game

[reef basin]

dimensional depots

[green fiber]

What jank is happening

[pulsar snow]

I just spent 30 minutes making a blueprint, creating a directory to put it, saving it, then when I tried to build it it was not in the blueprint list. Fine, I'll save and reload. Now the blueprint is there, but the directory I created for it is not and the blueprint is in the default unassigned folder. Absolutely frustrating experience, do not want to continue

[green fiber]

Oh that. Does your session name have any characters in it that arent allowed by windows files? Spaces or anything

Thats the only thing i can think of

[pulsar snow]

My session name is Grass Fields

[weak shoal]

hey, how was the site where u can design factories called?

[reef basin]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[weak shoal]

ty

[zenith sage]

Or Satisfactory Modeler on steam if you want more control

[pulsar snow]

So, I reckon that blueprints are hot garbage then?

[fluid crow]

while they do have some short comings I can't say I've had your problem

[zenith sage]

Once the blueprints are saved you can edit anything about them aside from the name too afaik 🤔

[pulsar snow]

So every time I create a blueprint I can expect to have to save and reload to be able to use it? And the whole directory structure thing is useless?

[zenith sage]

Hm? No?

[pulsar snow]

That has been my experience with blueprints so far

[zenith sage]

Are you talking about in game or the actual saved blueprint files on the PC?

[pulsar snow]

In game

[zenith sage]

If you create a blueprint without selecting directory it just goes to undefined (or it just goes there on it's own even if you did for whatever reason...), but then you can just open the blueprint build menu, click edit and drag it wherever you want

[pulsar snow]

Like I detailed above, I created a directory for the blueprint and saved it there. The blueprint did not appear in the build menu until I have saved and reloaded the game, and even then the directory that I had created for it did not exist and it was in the default directory. This has happened to me every time I have created a blueprint on both PC and PS5

[zenith sage]

Huh, weird.. never happened to me

[vague creek]

I never create a directory for blueprints, the game does that for me

[zenith sage]

By "directory" I'm assuming you mean these?
#screenshots message

[pulsar snow]

Yes. In fact, it was exactly like your Power category, little lightning bolt and all. Not created, does not exist.

[green fiber]

Do you create them when making the blueprint or do you make them preemptively ?

[pulsar snow]

With the blueprint where it prompts you where to save it

[green fiber]

Im not sure if that menu hasnt been kinda broken consistently.

Whenever you do it afterwards in the actual menu it tends to work fine.

If you save a BP in the default category, does it also not show up at all?

[pulsar snow]

I have never tried to save a blueprint in the default category, they all just end up there.

[green fiber]

And if you try to change it afterwards, inside the build menu?

I can only faintly remember that creation menu being wonky so i always just save a blueprint in the default category and only move it afterwards

[mortal ginkgo]

It works fine for me. I think what Kelle is witnessing is some writer previliges not given by Windows. so Game thinks all is fine but it is messed in Explorer etc

[pulsar snow]

This happens to me on both PC and PS5

[mortal ginkgo]

there are few cases where it messes up if you got multiple BP maker buildings

[green fiber]

But both times on PC and console?

[mortal ginkgo]

This is a Session issue then because game is not allowed to properly write. If you can, change your session's name to something simple without spaces, like "Impurelimestonenodesbest"

[green fiber]

Does it sometimes create "empty" BPs too?

[pulsar snow]

I want to love this game so much I bought it twice but no matter where I play it it is just frustrating

[mortal ginkgo]

Game has its moments of "why bruh" but your case is experienced by VERY few

[green fiber]

I dont bother sorting them at all i just chuck them all together in undefined

[mortal ginkgo]

Game sometimes sorts them BPs themselves so its indeed not that gud.

[pulsar snow]

The thought of getting through phase 4 without being able to use blueprints properly... well, that's just a nope

[zenith sage]

Yeah, I also only save them to existing categories or sort them there afterwards, never during the creation of the blueprint itself

[green fiber]

You can bind them to your Hotbar if that helps

But yeah i can also only confirm that setting a category during BP creation basically never worked right.

Do it afterwards in the Blueprint menu

[pulsar snow]

So it's never worked right?

[mortal ginkgo]

It works almost all the time for me.

[green fiber]

Conclusion: inconsistent

[mortal ginkgo]

Just like my factory.

[pulsar snow]

Brilliant design

[green fiber]

Honestly idk why they included it

I find it completely pointless to sort it on creation

[zenith sage]

Tbh I probably wouldn't notice it could be sorted if not the button on creation

[hoary light]

there is something wrong with cars in that game lol, when my car got negative speed from falling back from the mountain it somehow started accelerated against gravity gaining infinite speed back and up to the sky. Now i have car somewhere in the space that i can see as a small black dot far far from map borders and its not falling down, so i assume it stuck in the space forever?

[green fiber]

Car did the BLJ lmao

[zenith sage]

I'd just poof it out of existence with save editor at this point 😅 I never bothered with trucks or explorer in this game tbh..

[hoary light]

its nice early game in desert

but yea its hard to imagine it being used in other places

[zenith sage]

Riiight... forgot about that small issue 😅
#screenshots message

[green fiber]

I never use them on foundations or such really.
And especially not multiple vehicles on the same path, that can cause way too many weird issues due to ghost hitboxes

Idk how but when you get close to them and they switch from simulation back to physics, somehow they sometimes desync their hitbox

And then they get blocked by some ghost hitbox or get launched into space due to such hitboxes

[zenith sage]

Huh, trains are faster than I thought

[mortal ginkgo]

They are COOL, CHONKY, CHUNGUS, FAST, FURIOUS

[weak shoal]

how can i manage the speed production with trains?

[placid stirrup]

Buffer with industrial storage at input and output, it will just stagger the delivery of resources slightly

[tired cypress]

Magnetic Field Generator? isn't that just... a magnet?

[mortal ginkgo]

Magnets are magnetic. Checks out yep.

[fluid crow]

a motor could be a magnetic field generator

[placid stirrup]

An electromagnet, to be specific, as it requires power to be activated.

[placid stirrup]

Motors are magnetic field consumers

[zenith sage]

I have no clue what happened here... ain't complaining tho
#screenshots message

[golden nexus]

The good old magnet in a copper tube.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh0bbW6S3BY

[fluid crow]

lol I asked the same thing like 4 hours ago

[fluid crow]

..

[tired cypress]

yeah it just does that sometimes

[unkempt blade]

speed production?

[mortal ginkgo]

its 69, for meme reasons

I remember one time I got saved by bunch of alpha stingers thanks to that though

I started blastin' with niceness.

[zenith sage]

Cat mode is truly my favorite thing the last few days...

[unkempt blade]

yeah it makes the game way scarier

[mortal ginkgo]

I doubt it. There was this one time a Green Stinger was stuck in an elevated ground at night and all I could see was large legs sticking and wiggling out of that place.

[weak shoal]

i wanted to respect the speed indicated in the factory scheme on the site

[fluid crow]

but I thought we were trying to save kittens

[tired cypress]

yeah I don't wanna shoot cats

[dawn mist]

Inquiry.
How much vertical clearance do I need to accommodate a train, station, and potential loading/unloading infrastructure?
I'm building some major factories with the intention of including trains but I haven't unlocked them yet.

[zenith sage]

It's way more fun that I thought it'd be (no clue what it says about myself...)

[golden nexus]

i think its 5

[zenith sage]

But eh, I was always a dog person

[dawn mist]

Danke. I'll make it 6 to be safe

[golden nexus]

Its useful to have space for routing above the station

[fluid crow]

is 20m

[golden nexus]

which is 5? walls?

[fluid crow]

if they are 4m

[golden nexus]

yeah this is 6 walls #screenshots message

[hardy wigeon]

how much longer will christmas last?

[fluid crow]

it says the 18th

[hardy wigeon]

kk ty 😄

[dawn mist]

Swag. Thanks.

[gloomy elk]

How do i start extracting oil from the big connected oil veins

[queen slate]

Connected oil veins?

[mortal ginkgo]

Phase 4 tech

[queen slate]

Oh nvm I know what u talking about

[gloomy elk]

#screenshots

[gloomy elk]

Ahh

[zealous urchin]

for tracks and train alone 3 x 4m is enough

[gloomy elk]

Is caterium used for anhthing other than quickwire

[green fiber]

With some alts its used for wire

[dawn mist]

Thanks!
With this many pings I'm feeling compelled to start posting manul, though I can't.

[abstract heron]

welcome back from vacation @void gorge

[gloomy elk]

Not gonna need that but thnk u

[dawn mist]

It makes a great catio.