satisfactory

[zealous urchin]

this is just semantics

[wispy osprey]

It's essentially 3rd grade multiplication

And division

At this stage in my game I prefer to do my own math

[dense violet]

you're just trying to say 'if a system is fed with enough parts, it's a load balancer'

which is incorrect, it's the method of delivery that defines manifolds and load balancers

[zenith shard]

hmmmmm actually that's a good point

I was trying to think of it in AWS point of view, why would they use load balancer vs just a manifold

[dense violet]

a manifold relies specifically on overflow function to function
a load balancer relies specifically on properly split and clocked machines to delivery everything on time

[dense violet]

it's fancy and you see a slow constant flow? some people like a challenge?

[zenith shard]

no, its because the machines don't break down so its fine to do manifolds I think?

[dense violet]

and it technically helps reduce radiation in an area - however again, radiation is a nothing prob lem and it doesn't get rid of it entirely so... I would say it's not a real argument for it

oh absolutely. you can do manifolds essentially everywhere

there's like ... 1 system type (in game)I wouldn't do a manifold on but it still works

[zenith shard]

like for an example if we use manifold on a system like AWS, if that 1 server is down then everyone is equally screwed 🤔

[dense violet]

I don't know what AWS but sure 🙂

in this game if part of what your manifold is feeding shuts down it just means you have a back log of items. Which isn't a disaster really.

Just means you're making fewer parts than expected

[zenith shard]

Amazon Web Service, its a hosting platform that 60% of the internet uses

what's a backlog of items?

[dense violet]

as in if you're feeding 100 parts pm down a path, where 30% of the consumption goes down, it just means your belts will back up with extra items going nowhere and machines further back will start getting full and get back loged

[zenith shard]

but anyway game mechanic wise, don't the manifold system takes a LONG time to fill? since you need to fill it until the stack is full so that it overflows

[golden nexus]

It depends on the item speed, the stacksize and the length of the manifold

However the trade off is almost always worth it. You do not want to be producing a perfect balancer for something like this late game smelter #screenshots message

[zenith shard]

that looks so good btw

[golden nexus]

its 1800/min steel

[golden nexus]

it got a 2400/min copper to match it #screenshots message

[zenith shard]

jesus so much

[golden nexus]

Is just 2 nodes

[zenith shard]

btw idk what steel are, I only got iron and copper so far

[golden nexus]

oh....

[zenith shard]

I just started a few hours ago x)

[golden nexus]

Make sure you nail rplate 😉

[zenith shard]

what's rplate?

[golden nexus]

renforced plate

[zenith shard]

what is that again? the one for the combiner right?

I think I already nailed it yeah :D

omw to tier 2 actually

but hey, work called and now im stuck in the office :')

[leaden turret]

you say that like games don't take 100s of hours to finish 😛

[zenith shard]

true fair enough, gotta speedrun em all :D

[golden nexus]

one does not simple speed run satisfactory the first time

[zenith shard]

try me ;)

.....I'd bet in like 50 hours I'd be crying on some stupidly complex setup lol

[golden nexus]

This run took me about 60 hours to unlock the milestones

[zenith shard]

"milestones"?

[golden nexus]

Yeah all of the 9 tiers

it then took a further 20 to do the last space elevator parts

[zenith shard]

yikes

[golden nexus]

#screenshots message

[zenith shard]

so beautiful!!

how do you get that high btw

[golden nexus]

cannon

[zenith shard]

??

[merry granite]

hypertube cannon

[dense violet]

you can also do a bunch of other thigns while it spins up 🙂

[ruby jay]

Power on the machines and let them fill up while building the output / next phase?

[unkempt blade]

Cartifolds are clearly better than manifolds in every way except saturation time

[graceful orchid]

Hello Dubai

[zenith shard]

but oh man, this game feels so hard, is it normal that im overwhelmed? :(

I felt so stupid

[golden nexus]

Yes, So tell me, how is you speed running going?

[zenith shard]

I thought my degree at engineering would help

;-;

[golden nexus]

no lmao

SW Dev/Eng tend to do better

[green fiber]

If you know basic math thats usually enough

Until you get to pipes, then a fluid dynamics degree may be useful xd

[golden nexus]

If you can break down problems and work on abstractions which hide complexity you will do fine

[rustic vapor]

Is pull logistics a thing in Satisfactory? e.g. configure a truck to only run its autopilot route when a storage is full/empty.

[golden nexus]

it is with trains/drones

[rustic vapor]

Thank you!

[south sinew]

it's never easy the first time

once you actually know what's going on it's pretty easy

[hollow brook]

Be scared of spaghetti conveyer belts, use foundations, make sure buildings are neatly placed, etc, etc, now go explore, extract, and exploit or whatever our corperate overlords say. (Let me know if I butchered the motto)

[wispy osprey]

#screenshots I'm actually a genius

[dense violet]

treat the milestones as a tutorial. just accept everything you'll do the first time is going to suck , it's normal

[zenith shard]

funny, im literally both of them lmao

[hollow brook]

Treat running out of concrete like it's the end of the world

[zenith shard]

a mix of mechanical/electrical/mechatronics/software engineer :))

[wispy osprey]

I'm so glad I made up a 5×5 blueprint design for a roundabout...

[hexed cave]

How do u guys determine how much u want to produce of each product in the early game?

[wispy osprey]

I determine by funny number go up

That's it

Also the amount of time it takes to produce said funny number

[ember moon]

I always aim for the multiple of 30 rule

[wispy osprey]

There's always that weird alternate recipe that requires a feed of 22.5 for some stupid reason

[ember moon]

if an amount is not in the multiple of 30 multiply it till its in the 30

[whole drum]

Downclock to 15

[ember moon]

then make whatever

[wispy osprey]

I'll keep them all the same so the machine count doesn't skyrocket and then math the last machine

[whole drum]

Can also downclock to 20, if you need to produce multiples of 60

[ember moon]

#screenshots message this uses the multiple of 30 rule

and 15 because of the iron plates

reinforced*

[golden nexus]

What about the multiple of 40 and 45 rules?

[wispy osprey]

I just do the math based on input per sec

[ember moon]

for steel?

honestly fuck steel

[golden nexus]

and caterium

and concrete

Iron / Copper gives you a nice easy intro tutorial 😉

[ember moon]

I always think I forget about quartz caterium and sulpher in the earlygame

[hybrid nymph]

what are you guys talking about?

[golden nexus]

But thats what start of game does, it introduces iron, copper in the simple forms and then concrete enters the chat #screenshots message

Loads of people struggle to get an early game optimal concrete

[south sinew]

I think concrete appears before copper actually, but yeah

[golden nexus]

Not if you skip introduction

iron, copper, concrete arrive at same time

Not having a decent concrete early slow you down a fair amount / less clea build more problems etc...

[south sinew]

The problem with this is making it optimal. I just split every Normal node in two and had two constructors running at 30 limestone/min and left it at that

[unkempt blade]

or just go find another limestone node until you get better belts/miners...

[golden nexus]

Where i mix the normal / impure nodes and do 30+15 and 30+15

[south sinew]

more effort than is really needed I feel

[unkempt blade]

most of the complexity issues with this game are actually just self inflicted

[golden nexus]

The other approach on an impure node is to spam down portable miners (about a dozen), then fake the normal node with it.

[ember moon]

3 fucking constructors set to like 44.444% gets you consistent concrete out of a mark 1 normal node

Its not hard to get overclocking

[south sinew]

or.. just use two constructors at 66.6%

[sterile blade]

But then you need to increase your Plate production to keep up with all those long belts...
Ahh, the joys of early game

[south sinew]

but it's not gonna be easy to get overclocking right away as a new player

you don't even know that option exists

[golden nexus]

This is also not hard? #1455008912666263684 message

[ember moon]

Its easy trust me

[south sinew]

the two constructor option is incredibly easy yes

[rotund crescent]

yes thats easy

[ember moon]

I meant to reply to this one

[south sinew]

as a new player you just want to get the fuck off biomass ASAP so exploring feels really punishing

[unkempt blade]

At that point you're using biofuel burners so you don't even really need to underclock unless your margin for power is razor thin. The burners only consume fuel when there's demand

[ember moon]

im going to record myself getting overclocked as fast as I can lol

[sterile blade]

I felt the opposite about exploration: a good chance to get new (undiscovered) stuff and biomass since I already cleared the surroundings ^^

And the factory piles up stuff for milestones in the meantime

[south sinew]

You already know that overclocking is a thing you can do so it's a pointless demonstration

[ember moon]

some people may thing the desert is the worst place to start but I think its the best as it has the best source of biomass available

[unkempt blade]

survival game veterans know anytime you run anywhere to mash the gather button

[sterile blade]

Why place signs on a map, when you can follow your harvesting trail?

[ember moon]

wait no somersloops are stupid easy to unlock

theres always a sam node nearby where you spawn (impure)

[leaden turret]

console players presently don't have to mash the button

[ember moon]

Cirvcuit boards can be gotten at a crash location

And then its just a matter of crafting all the bits required

[sterile blade]

What do you mean?

[south sinew]

it's not always that easy as my usual start location has a Normal SAM node but it's locked behind nobelisks

[unkempt blade]

they're practically giving plant parts away!

[leaden turret]

auto pick-up

[ember moon]

wheres your usual start location

what biome

[sterile blade]

Without pressing anything? O.o

[leaden turret]

well they have to press something to turn it on

[sterile blade]

Huh... Why not just make that a universal option?

Weird choice

[leaden turret]

I believe they're planning/considering it

[ember moon]

I think u only need 3 biomass burners to get to coal

[sterile blade]

Noice

[unkempt blade]

Why not just unlock nobelisks then? You can do it by T3 so it's not a huge wait

[south sinew]

Any waits that involve biomass burning are huge by definition

[leaden turret]

🧓 back in my day you could fire up a coal plant with only one of the hub biogens (20mw) 🧓

-# coal is just burning biomass with extra long steps

[south sinew]

in the green fields on the eastern side, close to the big crater with 3 normal limestone

[ember moon]

oh that ones quite nice

however I dont like the copper location

a bit of as walk

[leaden turret]

ass walk?

[ember moon]

A walk

[lyric basalt]

i made a new oil refine setup lol miscalculated by like 30 ish oil >.<

[south sinew]

the copper's a bit crap but there's tons of iron and limestone which is used more, especially if you take say iron wire at the start

[leaden turret]

was gonna say, if it was an ass walk, and you don't like the location, [insert suppository joke here]

[lyric basalt]

lol ... i aint even mad .. its like 97% functional

[wispy osprey]

I think my straight 2-rail design is a bit much #screenshots any thoughts?

[unkempt blade]

it's good enough! ship it!

[wispy osprey]

It might eat up a ton of objects

[ember moon]

#screenshots message heres mine

My starting location has deepo enough water to get coal running

[wispy osprey]

deepo

[ember moon]

Normal nodes of pretty much every basic resource

Quartz and caterium and sulphur are a bit of a walk but its always nice to have them nearby

I can usually get nbobelisks by the end of tier 1

[coral marsh]

Just had an idea for an addition to thee game, packagers and sloops, now, all of us or at least, most of us will know you cant sloop the output of packagers (and for good reason I some cases), but what if we could sloop the input for a doubled output recipe without sloops. Say, im making packaged water and it requires 2³m per of water per recipe and 120 per minute at 200% clock speed, but what if we could use sloops to double that to 4³m per recipe so the output is 4 packaged water per cycle. (I hope this makes sense)

[ember moon]

Blow up the rocks behind this mountain and get some sam made

[lyric basalt]

😐 if you use scim to delete stuff does it put a handy little crate some where or is the matts gone gone ? like a mercer bin for example ?

[ember moon]

a crate will show up

[versed cosmos]

slooped packager immediately makes me think you can make an infinite fuel loop

[ember moon]

with the materials

[wispy osprey]

Fluid (in pipes) needs a complete overhaul, many people that study the Pible™ agree

[coral marsh]

Thats why you cant sloop it. (I do not care for my wording, thats staying there)

[versed cosmos]

😭

[coral marsh]

Yea but, did my idea make sense at least?

[wispy osprey]

Infinite fuel loop, not really

[coral marsh]

No only for certain recipes, like as I said, packaged water (i realise diluted fuel exists, well damn lol)

[wispy osprey]

Even packaged water itself, as that doubles an already better source than fluid storage tanks

[ember moon]

Is litterally just to save time? cause it really does not work

[coral marsh]

Yea nah disregard the idea

[wispy osprey]

I think i actually won't add metal beams as "rail tracks" this might drastically increase the object count

Though the design does look really nice

I can't really make up my mind if I want to do the design like that anyway

[coral marsh]

If you're remaking a recipe or making a mod, how about the option to have the rails consume heavy modular frames for an increased track length, say, instead of the base length going to 8, you use HMF in the creation and it goes to 16 or 20

Cost being 2 per length addition

[wispy osprey]

No it's purely aesthetic #screenshots

[coral marsh]

Ah, okay

[wispy osprey]

I could cut the beam count in half for less object use

[coral marsh]

Okay yea I drastically thought the wrong thing 🤣

It'd be fun though

[wispy osprey]

I think i can also do a method with my roundabout

[weak sequoia]

ive finished satisfactory mutiple times but this is my first time using turbo fuel, but i cant really find how much turbo fuel i need for 1 fuel generator so i can calculate how much etc with the input the only recipe i can find i need blenders, which i dont have atm

[south cliff]

check wiki

[zealous urchin]

packager slop mod when 😆

[versed cosmos]

7.5 turbo per gen at 100% clockspeed

[zealous urchin]

memewhile rocket fuel ratio

[weak sequoia]

thanks

[hybrid nymph]

Just unlocked turbo rifle ammo

Super busted

[versed cosmos]

overclocking is your friend

[mortal ginkgo]

What if we like making 6.24523523463461/min iron plate huh?

Let's see YOU rounding it up BIG DOG!

[versed cosmos]

make that much iron plate if you want babe no one's stopping you

❤️

[mortal ginkgo]

You won the arguement this time, but I will be back, with more sillier takes!

[ornate saffron]

Pure overclocked silly takes

[zealous urchin]

the big dawg was not ready for love?

the plot twist is goin hard ngl

[mortal ginkgo]

Being an impure limestone node, I can only fight for so long brotherman!

[zealous urchin]

hmmmm brotha, may i have some NORMAL limestone node? the constructors are starving brotha

the storage can fit so much more limestone brotha

[rich wing]

Bro why are there only 4 uranium nodes ???

[zealous urchin]

there are 7

[mortal ginkgo]

They are... more than enough? 😛

[zealous urchin]

the wisdom

[mortal ginkgo]

To a point where making all fisconium fuel rods to use all pluto rods without waste is madness.

[rich wing]

But i want to build a 1 TW powerplant

[mortal ginkgo]

nothing stopping you dawg

use all uranium + pluto rods

[rich wing]

Pipes

[mortal ginkgo]

0.5% of the elitists in our community state that "pipes are fine you just not doing it correct".

they surely are true.

[zealous urchin]

its fuel power or water

pick ur poison

[mortal ginkgo]

Basically that

[zealous urchin]

(meanwhile refined power mod and placing wind turbines all over the map )

[mortal ginkgo]

Late game belts are pipes, you either like them, or you dislike them.

It's that spider in your house that you tried to smack but failed. Now its there, waiting in the dark, hiding, plotting probably.

[rich wing]

I might use the converter alt for dark matter residue that uses reanimated SAM

[mortal ginkgo]

You can. I dont think your problems are about uranium tho'.

[rich wing]

Did you just grafuate from cambridge with a philosophy major?

[mortal ginkgo]

no I just miss some bugs time to time. I am bad at aiming and there is a reason I use homming rifle ammo. Yes hello.

[rich wing]

The problem is i dont have enough overclocking thingys

[dense violet]

there's very simple methods to have reliable pipes you just need to learn it - plenty of people here are wiling to help you with that

there's a small elitist group of people who decide they just can't be bothered learning these things. Wild right?

[mortal ginkgo]

You can just have the late game automation like 10/min?

[untold iris]

Yo guys! Nice to meet ya all!
Wanted to buy this game for my ps5 and beat it for platinum trophy, but seems like it's bugged. Or developers fixed it already?

[rich wing]

The problem is i loaded a brand new save today expressly for building a nuclear powerplant

[dense violet]

You can make more 🙂

[rich wing]

I can, but i dont want to go find them

[dense violet]

no, in tier 9 you can just set machiens to make them

[rich wing]

Unless there is a converter recipe

[mortal ginkgo]

Umm... There is some plot twists are missing I assume.

You are at new save but you want to rush Nuclear Power..
You are for some reason out of slugs which can give thousands of power shards alone without automation...
You got dark residue problems at the same time...

Ok from above response, I can suggest using advanced settings to give you everything you want?

[dense violet]

it's entirely reasonable to wait until you've unlocked everythign in teh game to make your power plant. Won't take long as it sounds like you're basically there

[rich wing]

Yeah its just for learning how to nuclear before i nuclear

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah sure, I think Advanced System Settings will do you better in this case.

[dense violet]

oh so creative mode basically?

[rich wing]

Yeah

[dense violet]

iirc you can spawn in stuff I think with the creative settings?

[dense violet]

but honestly, just go into your old save, once you figure out how to build it, magically, it's already built

[zealous urchin]

hello
u mean is the game bugged or ps5 trophy?
the game isnt bugged that u wont be able to complete it
ps5 achievement system idk
u could make a post in #1038092680493801533

[dense violet]

why do it twice?

[rich wing]

I tried and ended up with sphag

[rich wing]

I have never done nulcear before and i wanted to not chernobyl my world

[dense violet]

the tiers are basically a tutorial to teach you how to manage things 🙂 it's to be expected.

what planner do you use?

[rich wing]

Bc if my power goeth out, world is coocketh

[rich wing]

Planner?

[dense violet]

a tool to do all the maths for you basically

[rich wing]

Where's the fun in that?

Its just senior maths

[dense violet]

not even that. Just multiplication, division, subtraction ect
grade school stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

I think power priority stuff is useful. Because you can shut off all your nuclear if you see you did something wrong with math.

[dense violet]

If you want to play the game for basic arithmatic, I guess?

Just ... takes a long time to do a big process

[mortal ginkgo]

Also there are ways to not get all your factories shut down with same system

[south sinew]

it's a constraint solver using matrices, not basic arithmetic

you can only solve it using basic arithmetic if you don't have any circularities and loops so it works ok in the early game but less good later on

and that's ignoring the issue of picking alt recipes

[dense violet]

choose the recipes you want, start from the end , break them down into process sections

you can draw out links between the processes that trade items to each other

that'll be like 1/2 the work to not make it spag

but plan out the basic layout of every step before you start building

[rich wing]

I was refering to flow rates and critical path analysis

[rich wing]

I dont use power storages except for smoothing the patchy current from a geothermal tower

[dense violet]

for belts and pipes?
yeah simple enough , if you need to move 1000 parts per minute of a particular thing, and you have mk5 belts, you know you need to split it into at least 2 groups

thats part of the planning

[wispy osprey]

I'm glad a train can't collide with itself

[clear tartan]

it’s not possible to scan multiple hard drives at once is it

[wispy osprey]

Nope

[dense violet]

correct

but you can build mams as you're exploring

and dismantle after yo ustart researching

[mystic talon]

hey guys, does anyone know why satisfactorytools is not reachable?

[clear tartan]

what’s it saying

[snow dew]

ya the DNS records not even available the whole site just vanished

[clear tartan]

oh

[mystic talon]

is gone 😢

[dense violet]

prob just down for a bit

[rich wing]

Challange accepted

[dense violet]

greeny is apparently aware and probably sorting things to a degree

[mystic talon]

really? good to hear, thanks ❤️

[ornate saffron]

OH IT CAN LOL!

[mystic talon]

lol it's back already

greeny is such a goat i can't even

[reef basin]

seems my server hosting has issues with DNS server. The tool is working fine, but if you do not have cached DNS record (that's what converts domain name like satisfactorytools.com to IP address of the server), you can't really access it. Nothing I can do on my end, gotta wait until it's resolved on their end.

[mystic talon]

it's already up again, thanks man ❤️

[whole drum]

Update appreciated, greeny.

[reef basin]

yeah, seems that their status page went back to "working" a few minutes back, however with DNS you can never know how long it takes to propagate, so who knows... But yeah, should be up now or soon™

[rich wing]

Like that time a unspecified motoring journalist who's name begins with Jeremy Clarkson reversed into his own caravan

[tawdry ridge]

Guys is there way to switch off 720 fuel generators automatically? My problem is I’m building rocket fuel factory but forgot to switch them off now it’s all connected to pools to each other so as soon as even little rocket fuel hits first machine it will start working and sloshing and I don’t want to switch 720 machines on off manually!!!

[tall plover]

thank god to the automatic backups, somehow my current savefile got deleted/corrupted and wouldve lost 4 days worth of progress if not for those backups

[rich wing]

Cut off the fuel supply and hope its on a different power grid

[dense violet]

do all the building without connecting it to the TF first

[rich wing]

Holy hell that is a lot of jennys

[golden nexus]

inject a sotrage tank for fuel to th epipe runs at 100% initially, also don't have the gens on a 600/min pipe

[rich wing]

My fuel gen tower design only uses 240

[golden nexus]

then prefill a couple of storage tanks

[tawdry ridge]

Oh yah I have 7 pipes sending 450 rocket fuel each to them in seperate floors

[zealous urchin]

sadly no, its all manual

[tawdry ridge]

Damn I thought priority switch could help

[rich wing]

It can, if you did it right

[zealous urchin]

even if u disconnected them from power they will still burn fuel

[rich wing]

Unless you cut off the fuel supply

[tawdry ridge]

I agree I’m making 220 GW power atleast I’m supposed to

[rich wing]

How much does one jenny output on standard clock?

[mystic talon]

its always DNS

[reef basin]

it tells you when you build it

[rich wing]

Yeah but i build from a blueprint

[reef basin]

it... still tells you that

[tawdry ridge]

That’s the part I’m thinking too I can cut them off to bit part where it is based like each floor have 96 generators by 8 rows having 12 in each so pipes are made ring shape to send to 8 branches in each floor equally I’m stopping them by not sending to those branches rn

[tawdry ridge]

Fr why does it like it is not consuming any MW but burning fuel why 😭

[rich wing]

Its 60 GW

250 MW per jenny

I swear as soon as i go nuclear im gonna have a chernobyl incident

Do reactors melt down if your water supply is no good?

[dense violet]

nope

worst is you might have to deal with extra radiation

[rich wing]

Well that is reassuring

[rich wing]

Containment building

Does it still burn the fuel rods?

[sacred trail]

Why can I sometimes connect two large storage containers on top of each other with a conveyor belt, but sometimes I can’t?

Sometimes I link the upper exit with the lower entrance of the upper one, but sometimes the shape won't allow me for some reason. Is because the surface is not flat enough?

[dense violet]

no, water is needed to burn the rods

[wispy osprey]

It doesn't when I take 9 cars on a small roundabout or loop

It just weirdly stacks on itself and I have to take it apart

[vague plume]

HELP

I get 'E015' when try to continue session

[zenith shard]

anybody here worked in a real factory?

[golden nexus]

I have been in them yes

[vague plume]

'Failed to create backened session. Check your connection and try again later.'

[zenith shard]

so cool!! what do you do?

[golden nexus]

Embedded SW Dev

[vague plume]

Advanced info: Offline.
But my Ethernet is fine

[vague plume]

COOL

[zenith shard]

SHIT THAT'S MY DREAM JOB :O

[sacred trail]

I worked on a shoe factory 20 years ago. Does it count?

[zenith shard]

good stuff!!

[zenith shard]

yeeep xd

[mortal ginkgo]

Whats your shoe/min ratio big dog?

[zenith shard]

how comparable was it btw? between this and factory irl

[mortal ginkgo]

he had to hunt 5 animals/min to make a shoe, needs manual labor so not really automated I bet

[sacred trail]

It was a LOT more manual, very few machines.

[zenith shard]

no CNC? :(

oh but its 20 years ago

[zealous urchin]

u didnt have to cook this hard

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah I bet the same factory is at phase 3 elevator I believe right now

[sacred trail]

It was basically a conveyor belt, you pick the shoe, do your job and put it back on to the next person.

[mortal ginkgo]

on the next person? wow, testing is in too, nice.

[lunar python]

What

[mortal ginkgo]

"Hey Steve, put these shoes on QUICK!"

[zenith shard]

Computer Numerical Controlled machines

[lunar python]

Duhh

[mortal ginkgo]

Assembler, basically.

[golden nexus]

I am a complex mix of stuff though from software dev / network engineer / telecoms engineer. I can write device drivers for linux etc...

[zenith shard]

that is so awesome, can you tell me more about it? do you write in C++?

is everything you write extremely high performance?

[golden nexus]

I can write in 3 assembly languages, c/c++/c#/java/javascript/python and a number of other things

[golden nexus]

No

[zenith shard]

huh why JS?

[golden nexus]

Can do it, Having to do it and wanting to do it are seperate things.

[zenith shard]

what about domain specific language like Arduino? 🤔

[golden nexus]

Most of my embedded stuff is making firmwares for PCI cards and digital cameras (like CCTV ones)

[ruby jay]

I were 9 years in a metal factory. CNC cutting and bending steel. Operated machines, programmed them, worked in office for pricing customer contacts. Until started my own company 5 years ago

[zenith shard]

how does making firmwares work? like do you create a binding or something?

[sacred trail]

Hey, for those who already beat the game, what do you do to keep going?

I'm trying to fix the mess I made now that I have no specific goal, but I'm getting bored. Are there any cool stuff I should try?

[golden nexus]

No, Umm... Just the same as making c programs? The chip your running on is in the card rather than the computer.

[spare cradle]

Make buildings :D

[zenith shard]

maybe a mega building!

[spare cradle]

And now compact those machines into that building

[blissful fable]

so need help seeing if a design will work before i start turning stuff on

[zenith shard]

I never did c programs before, so idk

[spare cradle]

Or a machine into a single building or such.

[zenith shard]

the closest C programs I did was looking at the implementation of bcrypt lol

but its mostly JS binded to C

[golden nexus]

Yeah, Its a problem in the industry, there is a generation of people coming up who don't have any deep knowledge because they didn't teach them it

[zenith shard]

yeah... I find my university sucked :(

and my current job is not teaching me the things I want lmao

[ruby jay]

Its the same for metal industry. There are engineers who can desing impossible parts in CAD, but never seen CNC cutter or even angle grinder in IRL

[spare cradle]

Do I gamble on Turbo heavy fuel, or try to start on turbo alr?

[golden nexus]

Yeah, Guy I know is ex-royal navy marine enigneer. Works on boats etc.. people will be like, can't get parts for that to fix it. He turns up with the part 15 minutes later..... made by hand on a lathe

[zenith shard]

ahahahah that sounded like me LMAO

I made a sensor array once in Solidworks, but never heard of an angle grinder before xd

[golden nexus]

You see same attitude in here all the time, people turn up instantly asking for help, you can tell they have no tried on their own first or attempted to use any iniative, this means they also don't know what questinos to ask.

[sullen cloak]

I need someone helped me

on blueprint how do I connect wires?

[zenith shard]

hmm what's the best way to approach a problem then?

[sullen cloak]

like automatically connect wires to a pole within grid

[zenith shard]

currently im stuck, very stuck with a problem using Tailwind :/

[sullen cloak]

because I want to fly my hover pack awhile making 5 by 5 4m foundations

[zenith shard]

and do you use AI often at work?

[golden nexus]

Try it first. Also 99% of problems most people encounted somebody else has attempted before. So the answers are normally common, but you don't learn the terminology to be able to search for them... you learnt he terminology by first attempting to solve the problem a bit so you know what to look for

[golden nexus]

I have not seen AI produce code yet which is not complete and total junk

[zenith shard]

thanks, I also don't code with AI

[coral marsh]

That makes me so genuinely happy to hear.

[zenith shard]

I was really scared that im losing out because people I know IRL all uses AI

[golden nexus]

Issue being AI can produce sections of code because its basically a deep search engine so its able to process similar described problems from stack overflow. But the issues with code like that is it doesn't interface with the next stage of the problem. So you get AI to produce sections of code which won't work with each others... the result is junk....

The Irony is satisfactory shows you this problem as well

If you make buildings. If you don't have a common approach you end up with the ocmmunication paths between buildings also being complete junk (spagetti)

The recipies have to work together.......

[zenith shard]

this is so relatable, when my bus was like

iron plate | iron bar | iron bar | iron plate

and then I had to do an elevated conveyor belt to merge the two iron plate

[golden nexus]

call them rod becaue there is rebar

[zenith shard]

ahhh rods yeah xd

[zenith shard]

what's your advice for me, as someone who's really excited to break into this field?

[golden nexus]

Where as there are alternative options #screenshots message

[rich wing]

Does working in the shop for some hydraulic plumbers/engineers count?

[golden nexus]

Reads... Read lots. Read the internet RFC's if you do anything around networks.

[zenith shard]

sounds really cool :))

[whole drum]

Yeah, I keep seeing YT videos encouraging people to write programs by having AI do the code and it's the most cringe shit ever. This is why there's so much slop out there now, and it's causing problems that will require systemic stop-gaps and safety nets to guard against / filter out.

The worst part is if people actually do this, and someone comes back complaining about bugs/glitches, the "author" doesn't have the first fucking clue how to address or even where in the code to look in order to even attempt to.

[golden nexus]

The other is learn how to read peoples code. This is a gateway of finding out rapidly how not to do thing s/ approach problems or approach them badly.

[golden nexus]

Yeah, It just means programmers create debt at rates faster than eveyr before.....

[zenith shard]

what is the best way to do it? do I just go to github and read random implementations? like when I saw bcrypt and start reading the code behind its implementation?

[upper gale]

Can't auto connect power lines between two blueprints

[golden nexus]

Like somehting people don't realise until your really expirenced is that almost all of stackoverflow answers either are wrong or massivly incomplete.

[rich wing]

Thats just C++ in a top hat

[whole drum]

A mixed approach, probably. You want to read forums, join Discords/forums, read books, watch videos that aren't using AI code, etc. The more comprehensive your information base, the more likely you find the best solutions.

[golden nexus]

Modding for games is one way people get into the stuff.

[leaden turret]

that's what the comments section is for

[golden nexus]

The modern information is worse than the older information, almost always don't take things 3rd hand, go back to the API documentation / design docs for almost everything rather than some random YouTube video.

[golden nexus]

Would not waste my time....

[leaden turret]

p.s. shitting upon ai slop is either #off-topic-tech or #off-topic-general

[rich wing]

99% of gamblers quit before they win big

[zenith shard]

as someone who uses stackoverflow most of the time

that is so true, especially if its outdated ahahah

[rich wing]

Press 2

[golden nexus]

I have not seen a correct answers on it in years 😉

[stone moth]

It depends on their hotbar settings

[zenith shard]

that's crazy, I use a lot of the solutions there and it worked 🤔

[golden nexus]

Cause the popular answer, not the correct answers gets voted upwards

[zenith shard]

well more like, I read it, understand it, implement it my way

[golden nexus]

The more incorrect it becomes, the more the correct people leave as the standard drops as they find it less useful which results in the standard dropping further.

[reef basin]

There's "it worked" and "it worked" 🙂

[golden nexus]

Its the old, I didn't work and I don't know why, Now it works and I don't know why

You see the same in satifactory... eg learn to deal with the screws properly, rather that using stiched plate as a crutch 😛

[rich wing]

The better bet might be to get ai to teach you to code instead of do it for you. Because then you realise where the bugs are

[upper gale]

Speaking of the hotbar, I like to have mine in this order: Foundation, ramp, conveyor, power, splitter, conveyor lift, power pole, conveyor support, storage container, dimensional depot

[zenith shard]

am I stupid for not using AI at all? ._.

[rich wing]

Make it sound like its drugs lmao

[golden nexus]

dopeamine ?

[stone moth]

I have wire pole, wire, conveyer belt, miner, smelter, contructor, manufacturer, storage, splitter, merger

[stone moth]

No, you are smart

[golden nexus]

One of the massive oxymoron statements for the people who claim AI can code and determine if code is correct/works is a bold claim btw. Its basically a claim that they have solved the halting problem (well known unsolvable computer science problem)

[leaden turret]

AI other than is 🇴 🇫 🇫 🇹 🇴 🇵 🇮 🇨

[rich wing]

Old russian proverb
Trust but verify

[stone moth]

Ada is peak

[zenith shard]

wait ADA is an AI?

[stone moth]

yes

[zenith shard]

omg spoiled

[golden nexus]

listen to th einsults lmao

[sturdy trellis]

Bruh

[rich wing]

Yea but no

[leaden turret]

I am ADA, also known as Artificial Directory and Assistant, tasked to support pioneers, such as you, in their mission.

only a spoiler if you're not paying attention 😅

[rich wing]

Its prerecorded voicelines

[sullen cloak]

how you didnt now that....

[zenith shard]

sounds a lot like neuro-chan from youtube btw 🤔

[rich wing]

Much like PDA in subnautica

[golden nexus]

Based on your curent performance, we expect you to complete your task in <error> years

[zenith shard]

idk I thought it was a psychotic manager or something

[leaden turret]

not knowing ADA is an AI is like not knowing Bob Ross's first name is actually Robert

[leaden turret]

no, just dutch

[sullen cloak]

well you arent paying attention 😂

we got the whole dialog for that one XD

[rich wing]

There was a meme on this searver last year that claimed AI limiters are jusr ADA C*ndoms

[zenith shard]

wtf

I honestly thought bob ross was his name

[leaden turret]

I have an alternative take but don't know if the sarcasm is taken in jest as intended to know whether to make it 😛

[rich wing]

I know a guy named bob who's real name is james, there has never been a correlation between bob and the truth

[harsh kayak]

What

[sturdy trellis]

Yo I am trying to make a 600 uranium to fisconium factory, is a 0.4units per minutes marge of error is acceptable?

[harsh kayak]

Bob Ross isn't legally Bob Ross?

[sturdy trellis]

like will it fuck up my shit

[zenith shard]

ikr O.o

[rich wing]

Only if you let it

[sturdy trellis]

how to not let it then?

[leaden turret]

-# bob ross is legally dead

[harsh kayak]

He is???

Noooooooooo

[rich wing]

Idk. Im about as confused as yiu when it comes to nuclear

[leaden turret]

also not a spoiler, that was 1995

[harsh kayak]

Ik i'm messing with ya

[sturdy trellis]

I mean I could just use a sommersloop to patch the hole

But you know, kinda shitty solution

[harsh kayak]

It's better to have overflow than underflow

Sell the overflow to ficsit for fiscit bucks or whatever they're called

[leaden turret]

bathroom floors after flooding would diagree

[leaden turret]

[rich wing]

And Reese Witherspoon is legaly blonde

[sturdy trellis]

it's underflow 😶

[rich wing]

Am i tripping or do we have an aussie in our midst

[harsh kayak]

Well make it overflow using sommersloops

[sturdy trellis]

Fair enought

[harsh kayak]

You're tripping

[sturdy trellis]

thanks👍 ù

[rich wing]

You said bucks which is a term i have never heard outside australia

[harsh kayak]

Bob's yer uncle

[rich wing]

No, Bob is dead

[leaden turret]

[insert deer joke here]

[rich wing]

Or james

[harsh kayak]

I'm Eastern European, my english typing style is a mix of all three

[rich wing]

In reference to money

[harsh kayak]

I am the Avatar

[rich wing]

I know what an 8 pointer is

[leaden turret]

[insert pelts as barter joke here]

[rich wing]

How's the vodka over there?

[harsh kayak]

No no, too far east

[leaden turret]

a disappeared cephalopod

-# ||an octo-gone||

[harsh kayak]

Bit south

[rich wing]

Are you a fricking eskimo?

[leaden turret]

i gloo words together to make puns

[harsh kayak]

That pun doesn't make any sense when pronounced

[leaden turret]

looks at not speaking in voice chat

seems legit

[zealous urchin]

some ppl snort gloo too!

[leaden turret]

drugs are bad, mmkay

[rich wing]

How many kids?

[whole drum]

Or Cast Screws 😛

[leaden turret]

to keep it vaguely on-topic, only goats I have is goat simulator

[golden nexus]

Well people can do it without cast screws.. you get get a bigger block

[rich wing]

I meant offspring

Too many dad jokes

[leaden turret]

I'm 40.

don't need to be a dad to make dad jokes.

[rich wing]

Do you take apprentices?

[leaden turret]

do pun or do not pun, there is no try pun

[whole drum]

It's a common term for "dollars" in the states

[rich wing]

Yoda best at this

[rich wing]

Huh

[rich wing]

Speaking of aliens i could use some more protien

[leaden turret]

[rich wing]

NO

I prefer hogs, they put up a fairer fight

Unless you have some cluster nobes

[leaden turret]

irregular reminder that radioactive hog pork chops don't self-cook, I asked

[unkempt blade]

just use a basher it's way easier

[zealous urchin]

the dad joke state is only accesible to those who engulfed themselves fully in sillyness of adult life

[rich wing]

But i have an excess of cluster nobes

[whole drum]

Eww, melee weapons

What sort of primitive savage do you take me for?

[rich wing]

I wish the chainsaw could be used as a weapon

[rich wing]

A tier one pioneer

[whole drum]

I wish the chainsaw could tear down the gas flowers and pillars

Would make gas mask a bit more useful by extension

[rich wing]

YES

[leaden turret]

chainsaw vs. fart rock, fart rock wins

[rich wing]

I hate waiting for nobes

[whole drum]

They don't even look like they are made of rock

[unkempt blade]

I liked them better when they were indestructible

[whole drum]

But are fart flowers rocks too?

[rich wing]

No, they are technically animals

[abstract heron]

I am just wondering when the devs aka mikael come back from vacation

[whole drum]

Probably never--had enough of our shit

"Went to the store for smokes" type deal

[zenith shard]

I thought that I was old O.o im 28

[abstract heron]

They have vacation and then in summer mandtory vacation

[leaden turret]

less of an issue of when he's back from vacation and more when he stops playing FFXIV

[rich wing]

Its not just fun. Its contractually obligated FUN FUN FUN

[zenith shard]

hmmmmm is FFXIV that good? never tried it before

[whole drum]

Overrated as hell

[abstract heron]

i am hoping for 1.2 this year among 1.2.1

[rich wing]

What would they even add?

[abstract heron]

1.2.1 i feel like Normally bug fixes

[abstract heron]

i think for now more fluid truck stuff i THINK

and thats it maybe

[zealous urchin]

the chainsaw didnt stand a chance, it would loose even with equal stats, fart rock simply outskills
no ammount of prep time changes this

[whole drum]

More cosmetic options, especially rounded parts for foundations/walls/roofs

[rich wing]

Depends if chainsaw has nobes stuck to it

[unkempt blade]

I mean it's certainly no Dark Age of Camelot

[zealous urchin]

dagestan arc chainsaw still looses bcs fart rock has mentality to win

and nobelisk is just giving hacks to the one

[zenith shard]

is it? I really love FF7 especially the prequel

[rich wing]

The rock has one weekness: diesil

[whole drum]

It's nothing like 7 and has almost nothing in common beyond the name

[zenith shard]

uhh I also like FFX and FFXII

don't like FFXIV that much though

[whole drum]

It's an MMO. It shouldn't even be called "FF"

[zenith shard]

FFXII Zodiac Age is kinda MMO-like, no? 🤔

[whole drum]

The combat plays a little like one, in certain ways, but otherwise not really.

[zenith shard]

I only played a little bit of cabal online when I was little

but other than that, almost 0 MMO experience tbh

[sacred venture]

Elow people, im looking for someone who can help me with trains

[zenith shard]

never touched runescape or WoW

ohhh actually Eve Online 🤔

[whole drum]

While people would agree that EVE is an MMO, it's definitely a very different kind than WoW/FF/RS

[wispy osprey]

I'm still genuinely proud of my 5×5 train roundabout blueprint design

[ornate saffron]

awe yes, Eve, The spreadsheet MMO. I loved that back in the day

[wispy osprey]

Ffxiv shouldn't count as an mmo either
The combat is mostly okay, but the game is too linear to justify grinding

[leaden turret]

spreadsheet mmo 🫱🫲 spreadsheet factory builder

[wispy osprey]

I'll be the first to tell you that it is not worth spending 1000 hours of your life to experience dawntrail msq

[reef basin]

now make proper X junction and replace the horrible roundabouts

[whole drum]

This is the first save I got both the HOR alt recipe and Packaged D. Fuel before Turbo Fuel. This is a massive setup, and recycling/sinking containers is an interesting wrench in the works, but it's quite a lot of fuel.

[zenith shard]

I use spreadsheat for a lot of multiplayer games though lol

especially if it has a market (like Warframe)

[whole drum]

I can't really get into my disdain for it without going wildly off-topic and getting ranty about it, lol

[leaden turret]

https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/off-topic/final-fantasy/the-official-satisfactory-podcast/

going off-topic about final fantasy is on-topic for satisfactory

[wispy osprey]

What if I flipped you the bird and said no

[zealous urchin]

is it worth the effort? compared to just being content with normal fuel before diluted

[reef basin]

Well you can do whatever 🤷 just saying that roundabouts aren't really throughput efficient junctions (and I perosnalluly don't understand why so many people default to them)

[wispy osprey]

If you can magically provide a 5×5 X junction blueprint I'll drop my statement

[reef basin]

It's the same size as the roundabout

It needs to turn the same 90 degrees

So if you fit a roundabout into a blueprint, you should be able to fit X junction as well

[wispy osprey]

I'll try, anything to protest how late 6×6 blueprints are

[reef basin]

I mean the blueprints aren't really supposed to be "copy huge parts of factory", so it makes sense

[wispy osprey]

You either have hundreds of prints or 0 and hate them completely

[reef basin]

You have parts that you join together

Even the X junction can be one BP you rotate 4 times if you want

[wispy osprey]

I see why they're better after my first test drives on roundabouts

Any curve drops speed

[whole drum]

You get significantly more fuel out of it

[reef basin]

That, and the fact they support more concurrent trains (e.g. two trains turning left)

(Or right if RHD)

[whole drum]

I'm actually still setting it up, because it takes a lot of gens to use all this fuel (from one normal Oil node)

[wispy osprey]

I'll turn on the game and make something quick, shouldn't take long to put an X together

My first X was not symmetrical

[mortal ginkgo]

if you are content, np. however late game there is a good alt recipe to get both plastic and rubber by using Fuel, so you will need a lot of fuel including your mom in the mix LOL GOT'EM KEK

[wispy osprey]

Residue polymer -> rubber -> recycle plastic

Or something like that

[zealous urchin]

#screenshots message ive tried it for fun and im surprised it works
the 5x5 X train junction, well a +

[zealous urchin]

ik ik but is it worth the mental effort

[mortal ginkgo]

Nope. Recycle plastic + recycle rubber is the way

[mortal ginkgo]

not if you can hold on until Phase 4 where dilluted fuel is much easier to make with Blenders

[wispy osprey]

How is that a net gain

[mortal ginkgo]

you get more plastic and rubber in the end

[wispy osprey]

Good enough

[mortal ginkgo]

coz you make more via fuel, and just mix more and get even more

[golden nexus]

you feed it diluted fuel

[wispy osprey]

Might still get criticized by greeny for having any curvature

X just inclines steadily

[reef basin]

I don't really care about curvature lol

[green fiber]

recycled turns 1 rubber or plastic into 2 of the other one.
and if you feed it into each other, then you end up turning 1 fuel into one plastic or one rubber.
So fuel efficiency is all that matters now

[zealous urchin]

noooo ahhhh, according to "your mom" always lands rule im not even cooked, deep fried ahhh

[wispy osprey]

Does it eventually out produce crude to rubber?

[green fiber]

with diluted (and HOR alt) it does

turns one crude to 3 rubber or 3 plastic

[zealous urchin]

its only a question of setting up smart splitter properly

and the loop loops

[wispy osprey]

Diluted packaged fuel is very nice

[plain gate]

smart splitter for recycled loop?

[green fiber]

yep. tends to work a bit better as you just use overflow

you can do it without that but is a bit trickier

[mortal ginkgo]

smart splitter + priority merger can make this really gud me thinks

[wispy osprey]

I feel too dumb for priority mergers

[whole drum]

With default recipe, 60 oil -> 40 fuel.
With HOR into PDF, 60 oil -> 160 fuel.

[mortal ginkgo]

it is a merger, one side gets to send their stuff first.

imagine it like a trafic

[mortal ginkgo]

I thought it was MUCH more fuel o_O

[whole drum]

I think 4x is worth

[reef basin]

or just... not make it a loop

[shy mulch]

I don't think I've ever stumbled upon a use case for priority mergers or programmable splitters. Everything I've ever needed to do I've managed with regular mergers, splitters, and smart splitters

[wispy osprey]

Priority mergers can be quite useful for belt throughput

[whole drum]

Same, but I can at least see a use for Pro-Splitters. I don't see a use for P-Mergers

[golden nexus]

I have viable usage for a programmable splitter. I think i found a use for a priority merger as well, it involves maxing multiple belts

[reef basin]

well in 100% of those cases you can also not ship tons of things far, and then you don't care about belt throughput because all your belts are 1m long and go from machine to machine 😄

[shy mulch]

I'd be curious to see some actual examples of where people use programmable splitters

[mortal ginkgo]

my use case was just not using balancers etc at all. Lets say I got 300 limestone coming up but a line of constructors asks for 270. So there is overflow of 30 to other constructors. I put a prior merger so I know that 30 will be always used and 240 will be provided for the next row etc

[whole drum]

The only time a P-Merger makes sense is if you are inputting more than a belt's throughput, but this means the deprioritized belt will back up--in which case you should just keep the belts separate.

[whole drum]

For sorting sushi

[golden nexus]

This is one such use where you are sorting a multi sushi belt/bus into types in parallel #satisfactory-experimental message

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont need to keep belts separate thanks to prio mergers though, as I gave into above

[hazy void]

Are there enough hard drives to get every alternative along w everything their used for in tech trees?

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, and slightly more

[wispy osprey]

Or just math around belt rates per production line

[shy mulch]

why not just use a smart splitter at the start with an overflow

[whole drum]

I just explained why that was a bad idea

[mortal ginkgo]

eh, I am fine

[mortal ginkgo]

I always use smart splitters to feed on machines instead of regular, so overflow always goes to next building.

That way I always get 30 limestone in the main line as extra.

[rugged shard]

Can you like move somehow or destroy rocks that are in way

[mortal ginkgo]

In that example that is

[whole drum]

Only if they are destructible

[rugged shard]

I mean like those not cracked ones

[reef basin]

yes

[wispy osprey]

I'm surprised certain rock formations can be blown up

[zealous urchin]

they are tools not solutions
one when i place a container for trash next to the sink thats hooked up with overflow from produciton line just so the overflow wont be interrupted by trash
two Dark Matter Crystal loop, from sam node its low priority and from overflow residue its high

[tawny aspen]

there are some Italians who want to play together

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[hazy void]

for that little thing in every machine that shows how active it is, how does it calculate that?

[reef basin]

% of time working in last X minutes

not always reliable

[hazy void]

how many minutes does it count?

[reef basin]

no idea tbh

[zenith shard]

is there no way to see global production statistics in Satisfactory?

[golden nexus]

save editor probably

[zenith shard]

ik its not needed, but still its fun to see funny numbers go up

[zenith shard]

sad :(

[reef basin]

and that may not even be accurate

[golden nexus]

This is why we messure things in points per minute 😛

[zenith shard]

what's points per minute? 🤔

[golden nexus]

Get to Awesome sink

[zenith shard]

im already there

[golden nexus]

It shows points per minute?

[zenith shard]

0 points per minute 🤔

I mean I just got there so idk

[golden nexus]

846,695 #screenshots message

You know you get coupons for the point and then that unlocks toys in the shop?

[zenith shard]

huh how does that work? do I need to pump resources into it?

[golden nexus]

Yes

[golden nexus]

points list https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink

[zenith shard]

but that's.... beating the purpose

like im supposed to produce and save resource, not waste it on some coupons :(

[unkempt blade]

earn not waste 🙂

[golden nexus]

but how are you going to get a factory cart?

[mortal ginkgo]

coupons are not a waste 😛

[reef basin]

if your storage is full, why waste the machine time by not making things, if you can sink the excess for goodies?

[zenith shard]

my storage is never full xd

[reef basin]

and resources are infinite, so you're not really wasting them anyway

[mortal ginkgo]

MOD THIS GUY FOR HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH!

[zenith shard]

I got it from 20 coupons I found in the calendar lol

[unkempt blade]

you need to produce more (and sink the extras for sweet sweet tickets)

[unkempt blade]

smart, because as we all know it's the year of the cart and if you don't use them you'll be cursed for all eternity

[shy mulch]

Every time I see someone sharing their points per minute I get a strong urge to do the same

[unkempt blade]

do it! the line must go up!

[golden nexus]

You figure ou the paralel sort yet?

[shy mulch]

parallel sort?

[golden nexus]

Yes this from a while back #satisfactory message

[shy mulch]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1420891453361618984

[unkempt blade]

stonks!

[real shale]

🤮

[unkempt blade]

when coupon stocks go wrong 🙁

[shy mulch]

Oh, any sushi I have I send through a matrix of smart splitters to avoid loss of throughput

[golden nexus]

Yeah, That untangles them again

that means you can do a giant sushi N wide bus

[shy mulch]

I have done that already. With only smart splitters

LOTS of them 😄

[golden nexus]

Yeah but thats where programable splitter comes into play, you just can take 3-4 items off on a seperate belt with one set of splitters rather than 1 per item per belt

[shy mulch]

For my use case I wanted 1 item per belt, so a manifold of smart splitters made more sense

Well, I say a manifold, more like 20 manifolds lol

[slate python]

You could just set the constructor or whatever it is to 1 item per min

Way less materials

[shy mulch]

Who's that in response to? Seems out of context

[slate python]

You

You wanted 1 item per belt

[shy mulch]

1 type of item...

[slate python]

Oh ok

[shy mulch]

The conversation was about sorting out sushi into a belt of each type

[slate python]

Oh ok

Ya you could just use a programmable splitter

[shy mulch]

How would that help more than a series of smart splitters?

You'd need the same number of programmable splitters as smart splitters, I don't see where the advantage is

[golden nexus]

nope

[slate python]

Because you just set it to a specific item leaves the belt and the rest keep going on down the line

You would need the same amount of splitters as items

[shy mulch]

Yes, that's what a smart splitter does. A programmable splitter would be the same?

[golden nexus]

You can co a sushi bus (i don't recommend), Like this which can continue with as many inputs belts as you like, It also is probably the intended use of the priority merger to overflow onto an output belt in thia way as well #screenshots message

[whole drum]

Mod

[shy mulch]

The only thing a programmable splitter does differently is that you can specify multiple items on the same output, but for splitting sushi that feature offers zero benefit

[slate python]

Idk I might have them mixed up but I don’t think so

[tired cypress]

I guess with programmable, you'd be able to split each belt into two sushi belts, and split again, until you're left with single items, using log(n) splitters

[shy mulch]

I guess that would work, but it's also horrible haha

[golden nexus]

Nope, Cause you don't want the full sushi. You need to grab the items from the belt, Or when you add a lane you have to add another drop to all inputs for all machines. This makes it hilariously unmaintainable

[tired cypress]

But, with smart splitters you can still split off two items each, so I'm not sure it matters?

[golden nexus]

Cause with sushi and scaling your going to have to keep adding belts.....

If you have 20+ assemblers on that with 2 smart splitters each and6 lanes. You really need to filter the 6 lanes to 1-2 before you send them across the assembler line.

[shy mulch]

I planned the scale from the start and it all works nicely

[whole drum]

If you want to belt a variety of more resource dense products (like computers, oscillators, radios, etc) from A to B, you can fill up a belt with 5+ things without reaching the throughput limit on a Mk5/6 belt, so when that belt first reaches the new factory, you can segregate all the products out with a single splitter rather than a series of them that would cause extra belts where you do not want them.

Nobody needs to do this, but it's a valid use for them.

[shy mulch]

Fair

[golden nexus]

Yes, But thats also because the game is static and your using external tools, if you approach it from a design point of view of you don't have external tools, can't see any unlocks and are playing blind. What then?

[shy mulch]

I have 30ish trains feeding 5 stations, all various mess of items, which goes through a "sushi sorter" and splits into individual belts which then feed into my factory

[whole drum]

You'd be stuck progressing as intended and maybe going back and rebuilding some things if you're unhappy with them.

[golden nexus]

ok.... but

[idle glen]

1.2 certified?

[golden nexus]

YOU asked for the use case for this, I just gave you one.... it doesn't have to fit your case...

[shy mulch]

Yep I get that 🙂

[golden nexus]

Yeah but this works as a dynamic / flexible factory which you can adjust.....

Which is a design of you don't have to rebuild it

[shy mulch]

The factory I'm talking about was designed many many hours after I'd "completed" the game "normally". There's no reason to do any of this if your goal is just to finish the space elevator

Also for the record, the only tools I used in designing my factory was google sheets

[golden nexus]

But the game is also static in this regard... where we don't really have to meet many changing requirements, only requirements that change is the build materials get used at different rates... so we don't have to suddenly build X then suddenly build Y. So this makes the game much easier to play because you can build a factory by turning to the web tools punching in an item and then "doing that".

This somewhat simplyfies the build / use case for factory design significantly

[golden nexus]

Yeah but you have access to all the recipies up front right?

[whole drum]

I usually don't use tools to math out builds. Generally just use a little notepad on my phone to take notes and do napkin math.

[tired cypress]

I just did the math and using the "series of smart splitters" and "tree of programmable splitters" actually work out the same for 16 items; both require 8 splitters to give each item its own belt

[whole drum]

Got nothing against tools, but they just feel a little "extra" lol

[shy mulch]

In the codex, yes, in the game. Are you suggesting I should play without looking at recipes I've unlocked?

[golden nexus]

I would love to see a different game mode that introduces constant deliver and changing requirements.

[golden nexus]

No

I am saying we play the game on easy mode 😉

Can we have hard mode please?

[shy mulch]

I'm sure you're probably making a good point, I'm just unable to see it

[golden nexus]

Hard mode invovles having to have a flexible factory.

[golden nexus]

Yeah but this is also why the bus tech probably exists in the game, its possible to do this, there just isn't a requirement to do it in the game right now. Remember... you were asking for the use cases for this.... so that is the point of this....

To play devils advocate, If i asked you to change your factory from making stator to rotor to motor then back to rotor. Could it?

[queen slate]

I like this idea

[queen slate]

Hard mode should also have unlocking new things cost more items too

Hard drives could take longer enemies could have more hp fuel could deplete faster

[ember belfry]

Haha, I am producing 40 cluster nobelisks a minute.

[golden nexus]

Shapez 2 does it, its more like it completely turns the requirements on its head each progression level. But a different progression in something like satisfactory would be you get dropped materials and expected to turn them into something else. You present all the recipes rapidly.. but tie them to power / efficiency.

[queen slate]

That is cool 😄

[golden nexus]

We know we are getting a new game mode, so it will be interesting to see if its just random node distribution or something else

[sullen cloak]

WELL SHIT...
#screenshots message

[queen slate]

#screenshots message uh oh

[golden nexus]

If you have played something like captain of industry or the crust, what you get is presented with a finite amount of materials and then you have to keep trading items for more materials... so if you don't provide things at the required rates / efficency you get worse and worse progression long term

[green fiber]

5 billion Cells

[ember belfry]

I hope there's some "logic" to it if that's the case. Like not spawning uranium in certain places.

[sullen cloak]

I shouldnt boosted with the somerslooper......

[golden nexus]

I hope its "something else" entirly....

[sullen cloak]

yea im gonna regret it😭

[clear tartan]

so whatever the node is it doesnt really matter if i over clock it?

[queen slate]

Makes sense but satisfactory is my first crafting/automating game

[ornate saffron]

Lol, I unlocked coal power.

So I say to myself. Let's gather what I need and set that up. Oh, before I leave the hub I should check my biomass. As I walk up to my bio generator setup my power goes down lol

[clear tartan]

what were you thinking

[ember belfry]

I wouldn't mind a node randomizer if done right. But it would still be kinda lame.

[golden nexus]

Yes, Think of it kinda like you need to do the "proof" of a facotry, cause right now you can pritty much just fake every space parts factory

[golden nexus]

nope

[queen slate]

Powering stuff with biomass feels annoying at the start but dw coal will save the day

[clear tartan]

also didnt you mention something about overclocking fuel gens

[ornate saffron]

Im not new. I just found it funny and wanted to share ^_^

[golden nexus]

?

[golden nexus]

they just run at 2.5x the rate.... for 2.5x the fuel

its linear clocking for all power generation

[clear tartan]

and for more power isnt it

[golden nexus]

yes

[ember belfry]

Fuel gens go a LONG way.

[whole drum]

Yeah, not bad
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1458492710427033867

Haven't decorated or made a proper structure around it yet, but function is solid.

[queen slate]

lol nice sry I thought u were new ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I am pretty new myself so I usually assume other people are too yn

[golden nexus]

I have 60 gens here all overclocked

[clear tartan]

should i overclock it when i have access to turbo fuel

[clear tartan]

is it on turbo

[ember belfry]

Yes.

[queen slate]

What’s the downside to overclocking fpgs

Or is there not one?

[golden nexus]

I have both a small Turbo (300/min crude) and a 600/min RF, This is the RF #screenshots message

[ember belfry]

Though, you will need to build more to have your consumption = production.

[golden nexus]

expensive in power shards....

[queen slate]

Never ran out of power shards yet slopping helps a lot

[golden nexus]

Bear in mind for my RF factory, I put the gens down, then created a power shard factory then overclocked them

[sullen cloak]

I mean...im new so...I dont know man😭
now I had to deal with Encased Plutonium Cells😭
its already 2 containers full 😭

9600k+ Encased Plutonium Cells because I use

[golden nexus]

So i have an industrial container of powershards

[queen slate]

W is it difficult setting up a power shards factory?

[golden nexus]

not really

[queen slate]

Prob not compared to the factories you needed to get to phase 9

[clear tartan]

i love derailing the trains

[sacred trail]

Maybe a dumb question, but does it worth it to create a mining just for get coupons? Like, straight to sink?

[golden nexus]

You don't need as much as you think you do

[ember belfry]

More complex parts = more coupons.

[sacred trail]

Yeah, I understand that. But it's worth make it more complex instead of flooding with minerals?

[golden nexus]

at low tier no, not really its like 1 point for iron ore. You faster killing a alien and sinking dna points

[queen slate]

I think sinking a uranium isn’t a bad idea since you can’t use it until later

If u early game

[ember belfry]

Oh yeah, what's the recommended starting bauxite generation? I have optimal recipes. Sloppy alumina + pure ingots.

[sacred trail]

I'm not in early game and I have a lot of eletricity to spare.

[golden nexus]

Do you have a blueprint unlocked?

[sacred trail]

I research blueprints on the console, but I never did anything with it

[queen slate]

There isn’t really a recc amount I think I just split a node 50 50 on casing and sheets but I think you should have it 40% casing 60% sheets

[queen slate]

Blueprints are very handy for repeating things like manifold smelters etc

[golden nexus]

you get more points for sinking caterium than uranium actually

[queen slate]

Rly Huh never knew that

[rugged shard]

Should I automate circuit boards and AI limiters? Like I'm I gonna need lot of them later

[golden nexus]

caterium ingots....

[ornate saffron]

I always end up abandoning my starter factory. So when that happens I go back and just sink everything.

Early game I set up sam just to sink

[hazy void]

how would i deal w nuclear waste if i dont have perticle enrichment?

[sacred trail]

What are Death Boxes (not sure if it's the right name)?

[surreal hull]

Loke the things that spawn when you die and have all your stuff in them?

Or are there other types of death crates?

[sacred trail]

Like, I'm not supposed to lose my stuff when I die. At least is not what happens.

I die and my inventory keeps normally

Not sure if it's an option

[surreal hull]

Theirs a setting

By default you lose everything except equipped items

There’s? There is? their, there, they’er? ?

Stupid english :(

[sacred trail]

Ok, I don't have this enabled. Why are death boxes still present? A bug?

[surreal hull]

idk i just left them as default so when i die i always have a death crate ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But ultimately its harmless, just go to it and collect whatever’s inside and it will go away

[clear tartan]

whats homing rifle ammo

compared to normal

[ornate saffron]

After making plutonium fuel rods from the waste you can sync the plutonium rods

[hazy void]

but do i NEED particle enrichment to process waste, also cant you just put the non fissle uranium into a sink?

[limpid orchid]

Quick Question, how do i get Mylacia. Im not a new Player but i just forgot or smt

[queen slate]

There is a zone that if an enemy is in it the enemy will get hit

[clear tartan]

ooo

[queen slate]

Mushrooms in cave entrance

[limpid orchid]

thxx

[near stratus]

You can find them close to the dune desert

In that general kinda area

[queen slate]

There is a forest full of them below the dune desert and above the swamp

[queen slate]

Sorry Idk you could open a q or does anyone else know?

[steady flume]

I heard there was a contest for ficsmas builds? Where do I submit or see others?

[leaden turret]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1q27ngz/psa_satisfactory_ficsmas_competition_2025_ends_in/

[acoustic tapir]

There are several caves full of it. 🍄
You can also find it in abundance along the northwestern coast. 🪸

[sullen gull]

Or most of the things in the Blue Crater and Rocky Desert have mycillia as well

[keen marten]

does fuel burn at the same rate, regardless of the amount of power consumption?

[sullen gull]

Dependent on the fuel, , but yes

[clear tartan]

whats the website for the factory planner again

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch fuel_gen

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel_gen

[keen marten]

thanks. using a biomass burner, early game. just simple fuel sources, before coal

is there a capacitor in order to save that wasted power?

[sullen gull]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production or Satisfactory Modeler, free on steam.

[acoustic tapir]

"The type of fuel does not affect power production, only..."

[clear tartan]

ty

[sullen gull]

There is Power storage, but it doesn't really "save" it. Also, with biomass burners, theyt are the only ones that burn at different rates depoendant on usage.

[reef basin]

there is, but the power isn't really "wasted" anyway

[keen marten]

the power isn't wasted. but the fuel is (leaves, wood, biomass, solid biofuel). since all fuel burns at the same rate no matter the consumption correct?

[acoustic tapir]

Your burners will only burn the fuel they need to run your machines.

So they don't make "extra" power.

[sullen gull]

Biomass burners ONLY burn when power is needed.

[sullen gull]

Biomass burners don't burn coal

[acoustic tapir]

*fuel

i'll correct that

[sullen gull]

And coal /fuel plants burn at a constant rate, no matter the draw

[keen marten]

but the rate at which that fuel is burned is constant. so for example. you set a leaf on fire, it's gonna burn at the same rate. you can't have it burn slower and get less energy from it

[acoustic tapir]

Right. Likewise, a piece of wood burns slower than those leaves and gives a bit more power.

[ornate saffron]

Bio generators turn themselves onto standby to not waste biomass. Other then that power storage and that's it

[hazy void]

what do i do with the excess water while making aluminum scrap?

[keen marten]

that's not the question tho. i want to waste less fuel and not have to always run at capacity in order to prevent fuel waste.

[acoustic tapir]

put it back into the system where you're picking up water

[sullen gull]

Utinmatley, you should be turning leaves/wood/myillia into biomass and solid biomass. Again though, Biomass burners ONLY burn fuel when being used. All other power creation burns constantly

[ornate saffron]

Popular options are wet concrete and pure recipes.

You can also loop it back in but that can be tricky

The final option is to bottle and sync

[sullen gull]

My vote is always to recylce but can be "tricky" for new pioneers. Others will suggest Wet concrete or similar

[hazy void]

but then ill have to change how much im pumping and if i pump too much it all backs up

[sullen gull]

You should ONLY be extracting Total Needed-waste=Total fresh needed

If you're trying to recycle that is.

[ornate saffron]

The first GW of power capacity always feels good

[acoustic tapir]

How do you recycle water? Packaging it up and sinking it?

[keen marten]

i don't believe i understand. you maybe answering my question , but i just don't understand. when there's demand, biomass burners come on and burn the fuel in it. but there is wasted energy since the biomass burners don't burn the fuel at different rates.

meaning. the biomass burner is inefficient and a design is required in order to make it more efficient, for example if you have 10 biomass burners but only need the output from 1. you're going to be wasting 9x the amount of fuel that you would otherwise need

[ornate saffron]

That or put into production like wet concrete

[ornate saffron]

Correct. You are never far from coal.

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message I do it like this:

[hazy void]

i tihnk they cnahged it bc my biomass burners output always matches cons

[keen marten]

i just tested it. the burn rate is the same, no matter the output

[tall lantern]

it's always been like that

[hazy void]

why do u have a ring of fuel generators lol

[acoustic tapir]

Biomass Burners are a short-term solution to a long-term problem.
This is SOP for Ficsit.

[sullen gull]

Making 600 ingots. Input is 600 baux, 240 petcoke, and 180 water.

[tall lantern]

when there's demand, enough biomass will be burned to keep up. No more, no less

[sullen gull]

Best way for me to organize 672 of them 😏

[hazy void]

this might sound stupid but why would i use petcoke instead of coal?

[sullen gull]

For me, I am using the alts. Sloppy Auminia, Electrode Scrap, and Pure ingot

[hazy void]

oh i dont have those

[keen marten]

no i'm wrong. i was using stats from online, must've been an earlier build and combined those with my tests. thank god. ok.

[sullen gull]

Worth it for not having to deal with slilica and makes numbers a bit better by making it 1:1

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message 🙂

12,300 bauxite 🙂

[ornate saffron]

Sometimes when I have excess from another project I just burn it as bonus power

[lone widget]

i never make it late enough in the game to worry about math. every time i put the effort in life gets in the way and 6 months later i have no idea where or what i was doing ad start a new play through. normally make it to fuel stage and give up. i beat the game one time 600 hours and several years ago.

[hazy void]

jesus murphy what could you ever need that for?

[tall lantern]

power for factories

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-mug-best-boss-boss-gif-13600382

[acoustic tapir]

Ha! I almost always make my main factory area right around there.

[hazy void]

lol

[sullen gull]

I don't understand this concept of "main factory" ... what ever do you mean? 😛

[hazy void]

how hard is nuclear? (i just finished space elevator 3)

[sullen gull]

There is more "work" involed than other power plants, but no harder than anything else really.

[ornate saffron]

Some people like having a centralized facility.

Personally I spread like herpes

[acoustic tapir]

The factory you make while you tech up enough to make the factory to want to make!

[sullen gull]

I was being facetious 😏

[hazy void]

i know that for recycling waste you have to turn it into plutonium and sink it or use it and recycle waste twice, but cant you just sink the non fissle uranium?

[sullen gull]

I love using that area now for doing all the bauxite. It's the perfect spot, other than maybe the swamp, to bring all the bauxite too imo

[golden nexus]

just saying they are beginner without saying it

[sullen gull]

Lol, like I said, just being "difficult" 😏

[golden nexus]

i just call mine a T9 "starter base" todo the unlocks

[sullen gull]

No. Non-fissle cannot be put into a sink

[hazy void]

is there anything that can before it turns into a plutonium rod?

[sullen gull]

So either burn the plutonium (In which you will have to store or turn that into ficsonum.) sink it, and/or use it for drone fuel

[hazy void]

how difficult is ficsonium?

[sullen gull]

I mean, it's no more "difficult" than anything else. It's all just math and belting/plumbing accordingly 🤷‍♂️

[acoustic tapir]

At what point does someone lose their beginner status?
#screenshots message

[hazy void]

is it worth the struggle, i hear it burns very fast

[sullen gull]

Idk, I am over 5k hours and still don't consider myself any kind of "pro" 🤣

[acoustic tapir]

Once you make creepiest Isekai Protagonist out of somebody's pet QumQube™, then shoot it into space, where it [𝚁𝙴𝙳𝙰𝙲𝚃𝙴𝙳] and has "zany adventures"?

[green fiber]

ficsoniums main problem is that it is expensive

[acoustic tapir]

wait, that was Last Caretaker, never mind

[sullen gull]

All up to you. If you want completely clean uranium, sure.

[green fiber]

lot of resources for a debatable yield

[sullen gull]

Yeah, this too.

[golden nexus]

probably about 2000 or so

[sullen gull]

Anyhow: #screenshots message

[acoustic tapir]

shit

[sullen gull]

I'm soooper stingy with my sulfur lol

[golden nexus]

depends, are we talkig about javascript or php?

[sullen gull]

Pssssffh, still on MS Access .. whatchu taking bout! 😏

[golden nexus]

Have you recovered yet?

Was the therapy expensive?

Which is strong coming from somebody who wrote perl back in the day lol

[unkempt blade]

new versions are much better than when I was getting paid to work with it in like 2010

[sullen gull]

Ooof, has a friend that LOOOVED figuring out perl scripts to hack/take over my dumb little linux server I has running. Had to stop giving him shell access 😛

[unkempt blade]

my region is mostly python and JS at the size of companies I consult with now though

[sullen gull]

I heard it was being brought back!?! Reallly want to whip some llama ass 😛

(Still listen to Groovesalad everyday though :P)

[unkempt blade]

You could have made some easy money at legacy companies for a while there. I sort of wonder if that kind of work will just get halfassed by AI soon

[golden nexus]

You can use winamp for that

[sullen gull]

I was more referring to Winamp 😛

[unkempt blade]

that's more worthy of missing than perl 😆

[golden nexus]

Yeah, It was called transport tycoon 😛

What should i build today?

[sterile blade]

More sushi, of course!