satisfactory

[atomic girder]

Fun

[sullen gull]

Again, don't see any reason that anything needs "fixed" 🤷‍♂️

[feral jay]

It won't be "fixed". It's simply not an intended mechanic, and nobody understands how or why it works, hence it could break with any change they make to the pipe system.

For now, yes, you can make them work. But that could change at any time.

I mean, I use them too, albeit sparingly

[sullen gull]

Like I said, makes perfect sense *to me as to why they do. And I want it to break, I really really REALLY do (Not due to an update, but to be proven wrong that it apparently breaks)

[feral jay]

It makes sense if you assume fluid entering a pipe from above has no mass.

Otherwsie, to take your screenshot as an example, there is no reason that the upper input to that junction should be blocked over the left or right inputs

[sullen gull]

You can't displace other fluid. And because everything is on a horizontal, the recycled gets filled in first, every time.

[feral jay]

But you are displacing other fluid. The left and right inputs are displacing the upper input, and there's no compelling reason they should do that over displacing any of the other inputs.

[sullen gull]

And, as soon as the system cycles, what's in that small upper horizontal would get initially fed in by gravity maybe.. But then the "pressure" from the extractor takes over and has to push it up and over.

[feral jay]

I'm not arguing that it doesn't work; I know it works. I'm arguing that, like Cobalt said, it's depending on pixie shit.

That junction has three inputs and one output. There is no reason whatsoever that the left and right inputs should be prioritized over the upper input.

That's what happens, yes, but nobody knows why.

[sullen gull]

That is the only way I will Feed fluids from below the floor.

It's in the middle because it keeps the build and flows symmetrical

But, a friend and I were messing with it on his save, and found that it does matter where the fresh comes in at as well.

[wispy osprey]

Fluids have volume but no mass in a pipe, right?

[feral jay]

They have a bunch of properties that are largely hidden to the player

[wispy osprey]

Crude Oil is more dense than water, as an example, but fills a pipe at the same rate in Satisfactory

Logic

[feral jay]

Just looking it up now, and no, I can't see mass as a property

[fluid crow]

computer programs that simulate the dynamics in pipes are pretty complex

it's not bad for a game

[dusky hedge]

not sure if this has any bearing on the debate, but i treat fluid not as moving or flowing but transferring between containers with pressure creating a (lack of) priority, much like density on a belt, all pressure is below 100 percent or a full belt

[feral jay]

Fluids have density, friction, and viscosity, all of which are hidden from the player

And holy shit, I missed this post https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1mwji7e/beware_of_the_vertical_junctions/

[graceful orchid]

Sees

[feral jay]

That could explain quite a bit actually

[sullen gull]

Bear in mind, there is enough headlift on the fresh pipe to push 2-3 meters above that small horizontal incoming btw.

[real shale]

Pioneers

[graceful orchid]

A girl from halo

[real shale]

What

[graceful orchid]

What

[real shale]

[indigo hare]

Cortana?

[graceful orchid]

Was suspended by Microsoft
Yes

[fluid crow]

priority power switch 🖤

[final bridge]

My nuclear power plant has told me to ask for tier three and tier 4 pipes

specifically so I can have 1,200 m^3pm water moving in them

[reef basin]

How so? Max clocked plant doesn't need more than 600

[final bridge]

but the aesthetic I have rn requires them🙂‍↕️

[feral jay]

It won't happen

[reef basin]

Then build with different aesthetics

[final bridge]

:((

[reef basin]

Usual recommendation is building on top of ocean and having the extractors right in front of the nuclear plants

[final bridge]

I have the water, its more just the way I've built them (and how I messed up my train station) means I'd have to tear down quite a bit then rebuild it like 4 metres to the left lol

[feral jay]

lol whoops

[final bridge]

whoops indeed

well

off to go nuke my factory

[feral jay]

TIL learned that the orientation of vertical splitters makes a large difference in some builds

Which explains... a lot

[whole drum]

Yeah, they have weird (buggy?) behaviors when you try to do weird stuff with removing/adding segments of lifts with them.

[feral jay]

Look at the weld lines of one of your pipe junctions. It actually matters whether those weld lines are vertical or horizontal.

[whole drum]

I was talking about regular conveyor lifts and splitters attached to them

I've heard pipe junctions can be touchy too tho

[feral jay]

lol I was talking about something completely different

[dusky hedge]

junction?

[feral jay]

yea sry

[dusky hedge]

@feral jay what did you mean by orientation changing things?

[sullen gull]

Scroll up a bit, there is a reddit post on it.

[feral jay]

#screenshots message Those two junctions are installed in different orientiations - look at the weld lines. They actually behave differently because of that.

I credit my recent argument with @sullen gull and my desire to prove myself right with stumbling onto that

[sullen gull]

Its what I was referring to when I mentioned junction "oddities"

[dusky hedge]

useful to know, i guess it allows you to influence pressure in an even system

[feral jay]

More that it really helps understand why vertical pipe junctions don't behave as expected

[sullen gull]

I've personally always considered the "welded sides" as the "offshoots" .. if that makes sense 🤷‍♂️

[feral jay]

It's as if the possibility of placing them vertically was only considered after the junctions themselves were coded, which resulted in weird behaviour

Yeah that makes sense

I've always noticed the wld lines, just never thought they made any difference

[sullen gull]

I'm just that "ocd", I wanted them alll going the "right" way 🤣

[dusky hedge]

is the weld direction fixed to the pipe it attaches to or can you adjust it manually?

[feral jay]

In my game right now it explains why I have a turbofuel packager that never runs at the rate it's supposed to. It takes a small overflow from a generator farm but never seems to do it at a constant rate.

[sullen gull]

You can adjust it manually. use walls or 4m foundations as temp snap points and rotate with mousewheel

[feral jay]

It depends on the direction of the pipe you're attaching it to

[mental gulch]

Got the game today, spent 14hrs now its morning and I have school

[abstract heron]

I am wondering if there will be a stream today?

[mental gulch]

Great game

[feral jay]

And now that you're here, great company, too!

just throwing out random compliments

[mental gulch]

Just got to phase 2 🥹

[abstract heron]

i have dis hrs TOTAL 18,082 hrs on record

my main save is 4,302hr for 1.0

[sullen gull]

I find myself rarely building them directly on pipes anymore heh. I always place them first and pipe to them anymore.

[abstract heron]

btw dis is all done in steam released to now

[dusky hedge]

i wonder if it has anything to do with the original pipe being longer inside the junction than the pipes that are added later
surely that would have been taken into consideration

@sullen gull your method negates it entirely

[sullen gull]

I was informed on day one that it was better to rebuild pipes after placing a junction on it.

[dusky hedge]

same

but might not have bothered every time 😉

[sullen gull]

I've heard/read it does and both doesn't matter. But, over time, for me it's become simpller to build the "support system" before the pipes 🤷‍♂️

[dusky hedge]

i did come up with a way to test for junction priority but it sounds so simple i wonder if im missing something

if you set two water supplies at 240 into your chosen junction (for loop back purposes) and have machines consuming a full pipe of 300 then let it run, youi can see which water supply was performing most efficiently

that one has priority

[willow pond]

dumb question: i remember Blue Crater having its big ground disk platform things around it be destructible items. is there a mod that brings that back?

[sullen gull]

You can if you're on PC. You can use SCIM

You would uplolad your save, used the selection tools to highlight the area, and click regenerate fauna

[willow pond]

oh sorry, i mean "bring back the ability to destroy them"

[sullen gull]

oh. What are you trying to destroy?

[willow pond]

the big earthen disk shaped platforms around the crater area

[sullen gull]

LIke, the giant mushrooms? or the "platform" ones?

[willow pond]

not the shrooms

[sullen gull]

Oh, wasn't aware you could destroy those before 🤷‍♂️

[willow pond]

it really smoothed out the look of the crater area

might've been a bug that they declared & fixed i guess

[whole drum]

This is still useful advice for troubleshooting, but I think the issue that this resolves was mostly fixed in 1.0, because I have rarely had junctions break my pipes since then.

I have noticed that pumps/valves can sometimes still break them, but again quite rarely

[ember moon]

this game is like an addiction

[whole drum]

It's why a fair number of players end up with 1k+ hrs lol

[ember moon]

ive only ever played the game up to phase three and I have nearly 2000 hours

[dusky hedge]

drugs are cheaper cos you cant work while you play satiscracktory

[ember moon]

97.5 hours in 2 weeks oh my god

[final bridge]

hehe

fly-swimming

[grizzled harness]

I will glaze for this game till the end of time. Pretty sure its the best video game I have ever played. Its one of the few games where both the journey and the destination are equally epic and satisfying

[wispy osprey]

The factory must grow

Early in the game oil looked complex

Now I'm thinking that aluminum processing looks complex

Bauxite is so far away from nearly everything

[whole drum]

This is how I felt during the PS2 era Armored Core series, and For Answer

That series has two skill checks:
Design your mech
Pilot your mech
If you're good at one, but not the other, it's going to be a rough time

[whole drum]

Not as much as you might think. It follows the central horizontal band across the map, which means you can work with less used areas of the map to source what you need.

[wispy osprey]

So far all I know is water, recycle water, process scrap, have refineries ready, have coke ready, fluid logistics make people quit for a reason, and i think that's it?

[whole drum]

Alt recipes can make this simpler for you

[wispy osprey]

The main one being alternate: pure aluminum

[whole drum]

Sloppy helps too

[wispy osprey]

Because i absolutely do not want to bring silica over there

[wispy osprey]

Alt instant scrap looks really nice but sulfur is a bit of a pricy ask

[whole drum]

It depends what else you want to use Sulfur for

[wispy osprey]

I can probably use all of my normal sulfur nodes for that

[wispy osprey]

And is the water recycling really that bad?

[whole drum]

If you do it correctly, no--but it's easy to mess up. I personally like to use it for Pure Copper since you'll need copper anyway for aluminum products.

[wispy osprey]

Just the casing alt

[whole drum]

And default sheets iirc

[wispy osprey]

Yeah sorry forgot that was there too

[whole drum]

Between the two, it's easy to see the logic

[wispy osprey]

I'm not at that stage yet anyway but moving close to sulfur, caterium, coal, and more copper

My first plant uses a pure copper node to make 1150 sheet p/min

If i can be in an area with all of those relatively close by then that'll be good

[cerulean dawn]

pardon?

[sullen gull]

LIghts in satisfactory respond to clapping 😏

[willow pond]

i'm waiting to see something like Stingers show up in other games 🤣

[cerulean dawn]

oh….

now that is one hell of an idea

[willow pond]

absolutely horrifying and unique mob, perfect for licensing out

[sullen gull]

Totally! 😏 #screenshots message

[willow pond]

ok that doesn't need to exist

like, ever

[whole drum]

License it to the Monster Hunter franchise

[willow pond]

and every MMO still around

[whole drum]

And RTS games

[willow pond]

hell, WotC might be interested

new D&D monster

[whole drum]

Honestly, I don't buy Wizards stuff anymore

[willow pond]

yea but to apply it to D&D video games

& MtG

[whole drum]

Their games usually suck too

MTG is an addictive gacha that I'm quite thoroughly done with. Was fun while it lasted.

[cerulean dawn]

arguably scarier than a creeper in minecraft

[willow pond]

oh 100%

the fact that they went out of their way to create the arachnophobia mode is proof of that

[cerulean dawn]

like i’m not even scared off spiders, infact i even love their bigger cousins tarantulas.

but like hell would i ever step foot near a stinger ever!

[limpid iron]

man why does the builder menu have to auto reopen when you fall into water while trying to place something

[willow pond]

i'm not either 🤣 i live in tarantula central

[sullen gull]

Yeah, that's an annoying bug. Sometimes fixed by opening the TAB menu

[limpid iron]

tab does work, thanks

[sullen gull]

Ugh, I miss the Desert 😭

[cerulean dawn]

yea it’s really annoying

[limpid iron]

makes it feel like youre drowning

[cerulean dawn]

i mean… it’s very effective then

[whole drum]

I don't trust arachnids at all, but I think the term/definition of "arachnophobia" needs some adjusting--a "phobia" is typically an irrational fear, but it's completely rational to fear arachnids because all spiders are venomous and you can't trust eye identification because for each "safe" species there is a dangerous cousin that looks just like them.

In fact, their venom is typically classified along a scale of "medically significant" or not.

[feral jay]

I got bit by a spider half the size of my hand once, thirty years ago

Suffice it to say, I remember that bite like it was yesterday

There's not really venomous spiders where I live, but holy fucking mother of god almighty that fucking hurt

[willow pond]

baby bark scorpion stings are awful

urgent care awful

they haven't developed the proper stinger muscles yet, so you get a full dose of venom

[whole drum]

While exceptions exist, it's part of their definition that they are venomous. It's just that not all spider venom is necessarily harmful/noticeable to humans from just a bite. I would assume that they would be if one were to receive a large enough dose (such as taking many bites in a short time).

Also, just to be clear, all spiders are arachnids, but the reverse isn't true.

[feral jay]

What I mean by that is that spider bites are not generally a problem around here, other than that they hurt like hell

Like a bee sting kinda

[whole drum]

Yeah, snakes can be like that too

I used to have a pretty severe fear of spiders, but now it's more of a tentative tolerance. I've done a fair bit of research about them. 🙂

There was a Youtuber who would go out in the wild and find rare/exotic spiders and pick them up. He usually didn't get bit, but it's always a risk.

One of the rarest bites he received (rare for the species, that is) was from a Red Widow.

[willow pond]

there's a restaurant here that serves deep fried rattlesnake

[whole drum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hORffrEfa6w&pp=ygUPcmVkIHdpbmRvdyBiaXRl
If you're curious. Otherwise, we're getting pretty off-topic. 😉

[dusky hedge]

planned or coincidence? 😮

[willow pond]

🤣 themed

[dusky hedge]

on todays menu..... lemme check the fryer .......

[willow pond]

ok dumb question about the space elevator

does it stay in the same spot in the skybox, or does it actually move around a little bit depending on where the elevator base is

[whole drum]

It stays put

[manic flower]

Why is it that when I delete a building it sometimes doesn't give me the resources back? I now have to wait 2 hours to create the modular frames that I didn't get back from deleting manufacturers.

[whole drum]

If your inv is full, it creates an overflow box on the ground and puts them in there

[manic flower]

not a single one on my entire map

[whole drum]

Not sure then, because buildings always 100% refund.

Including their internal buffers

[manic flower]

had this issue many times before

[whole drum]

I've never had it

[willow pond]

anyone know how the engine guts for the game works

[whole drum]

CSS does

[willow pond]

at one time the game used to bog down like crazy if you cleared a big percentage of the foliage, is that still the case

[whole drum]

That is mostly fixed, in my experience

And it used to only do it if I cleared a lot at once. I never had it do it from "absent" foliage.

[willow pond]

i have a pathological need to xeriscape the map and stow about 500 containers' worth of leaves & wood

[whole drum]

Process it into Solid Biofuel.

[willow pond]

that is usually the plan

now that it's a decent fuel to use

but also i just like to have a gigantic repository of my ecological terrorism

[whole drum]

It's useful as it is, but can be turned into Liquid Biofuel, which has some really nice uses (Jetpack and Vehicles, esp).

[willow pond]

i started over with a completely fresh save when 1.0 hit, took a few weeks off, so now i'm back at it

still hunting down differences between EA and 1.0

[whole drum]

The biggest difference is SAM and related research/features

[willow pond]

yea, glad that finally got completed

[whole drum]

But there's some qol and bug fixes as well

[willow pond]

k, another dumb question

were parachutes ever single use?

[whole drum]

Idr

Doubt it

[fiery pewter]

No

[willow pond]

i almost never had one and i think that's why. i must've thought "oh crap, i'd burn thru those way too fast to bother making them"

[sterile blade]

@willow pond yes ^^
They became non-consumable in U8

[blissful fable]

i need help reforming my coal generator power plant (mainly because it wasn't using the full 900 coal i can produce currently)
but the only problem i am running into is my generators becoming a jump rope on the power graph
the first couple getting enough coal but the last ones not getting enough

[queen slate]

Did it take anyone else an embarrassingly long time to find/know about mycelia

[queen slate]

Are your conveyors a high enough lvl

[stoic laurel]

upgrade your belts?

[wispy osprey]

[blissful fable]

lvl4 belts is my max and even then its struggling

[hardy vector]

mk.4 belts can transport 480/m coal. So you can't feed all your coal generators from a single belt if you want to feed them 900/m coal

[queen slate]

If you have t4 maybe consider fuel powered gens

[blissful fable]

true and i only need to do 450/p because that half 900

[willow pond]

kinda, mainly because where a lot of it is at the start of the game is where the things with nasty big pointy teeth are

[hardy vector]

so you have already split the 900/m to two mk.4 belts?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[hardy vector]

best to make a thread in #1038092680493801533 with screenshots

[dense violet]

just keep making groups of 8

[queen slate]

Ty

[blissful fable]

have that kinda going but that in 100x more inconsistent and is actually jump roping my power grid

[hardy vector]

and are you sure coal is the problem and not water?

[dense violet]

sounds like you need some basic piping skills 🙂 ask next time you're setting up fluid power like that, there's some simple methods to keep it consistent

[whole drum]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf
Read the first half of this as well

[stoic laurel]

#screenshots message
This is my coal power plants in the world i stopped playing on. the coveyers are T3, and two miners are dedicated to the back half of the coal plants

[whole drum]

Just remember some basic math and coal should be very easy: 120/m feeds 8 gens which require 3 extractors, but you can't feed the pipes all from one end. Hence the wiki cg setups.

It doesn't matter how much coal you want to use, you just build in sets like that.

[teal crater]

Hey is there anyway to delete a resource from the Dimensional Depot?

[whole drum]

If you mean the listing, no. Otherwise, just pull it out.

[teal crater]

That’s

kinda unfortunate

[whole drum]

It wouldn't be so bad if we had better sorting options, and the ability to manually re-sort them.

[teal crater]

Yeah no that should be a thing

[whole drum]

Instead, I just prioritize items to sticky and use the search for anything else.

[hardy vector]

There is a mod that would remove empty lines from the DD

[teal crater]

That sucks I’m on Xbox

[dusky hedge]

they are the most important to keep

i would rather the full ones were invisible

no action required

[dusky hedge]

sort by most used

would be great

[blissful fable]

Im think I could do 450 by putting together a 300 and a 150 because I have 2x 300/m and 2x 150/m

[whole drum]

I'm the opposite. I sticky things I want to manually remove (remains, slugs, sloops, shards, spheres, etc)

I also sticky ammo

[blissful fable]

Through then again the problem could still arise

For the generator's not getting enough fuel

[sterile blade]

As someone who never used signs to mark production in Factorio because the only sushi I make is Satisfactory...
I absolutely would save tons of time with some basic "automatic" signs (like for machine outputs or to make math based on variables like other signs' contents...)

And I mean a lot of time... Can you imagine the signwork needed when changing a single machine's clock in a facility like this? (#screenshots message)

[dusky hedge]

i started marking my factories for input output over all
belt counters can help with this if you adjust anything inside, might just need to sink for a minute or two to get accurate results

[hardy vector]

as said, make a new post in #1038092680493801533 with more details and screenshots please

[hardy vector]

Circuitry or Ficsit Networks could help with this, but that isn't vanilla ^^

[sterile blade]

Urgh, way too much work for me 😅

[sterile blade]

They don't help...
If you notice, in the screenshot each belt has several items on it, which make belt monitor pretty much useless to me to keep track of individual items 🤷‍♂️ (eg: changing the Steel Pipes output to have more/less steel pipes overflowing meant changing several signs just to update a value that could very easily be automated)

[whole drum]

You would need to put monitors on the point right where a product joins the belt, and tally/sign those yourself

[dusky hedge]

and only on the belts that woul dbe affected by the change

[sterile blade]

Yeeeeep 🙄
Which makes it ever so useful and easy, when calculating stuff at one floor when it's receiving inputs from several floors away 😆

[whole drum]

Oh, I know it wouldn't be easy. I just don't see another choice without mods or sorting your belts

[feral swan]

So I might actually be having a brain fade right now but I have seen people get four full pipes of oil out of 2 pure and normal nodes but I only barley just go enough to fill one mk 2 l😬😳 , Any ideas

[hardy vector]

overclocking

[dusky hedge]

i would only be interested in overall inputs and outputs of the factory, if the factory is massively complex and not modular then it might be less useful

[dense violet]

Are they mk1 pipes?

[feral swan]

Even if they were mk 1 , they still wouldn’t fill

[coral marsh]

@tawny zinc what a smartass 😆

[fossil rover]

How can i make such smooth outside walls, black and white?
#screenshots message

What materials are these?

[hardy vector]

Looks like rough concrete material

[dusky hedge]

prolly modded, ask in architecture channel

[whole drum]

Yay, unlocked Smart Spliiter on this save--one of my favorite tools

[sterile blade]

I needed(wanted) to keep track of things floor-by-floor to make sure I didn't create chokepoints before testing ^^

[misty pasture]

what does istg mean?

[wispy osprey]

A few people here have said that nitrogen nodes are pretty bad on the world map

Reminder that piping has has no downside on gasses

[dense violet]

ok do you mean 'full throughput' or just 'full volume' because it's easy to fill any number of pipes to 'full'

[dense violet]

just coated plastic and high density colour shades

[sterile blade]

I could Google it for you, but I'm telling you to instead :P

[wispy osprey]

The best nitrogen nodes is relatively near one of the uranium nodes and is in proximity to limestone (pure) and SAM (pure) nodes

Further north is a pure oil node

[misty pasture]

smarty pants plating takes so long to build in the thingy

[sterile blade]

Reminder that packaging has upsides with gases 😁

[wispy osprey]

But

Less pipe bullshit

[feral swan]

Full throughput

[wispy osprey]

It sends to a packer anyway

What makes packing it there vs piping it to a more convenient location and packing it there

[dusky hedge]

time to explore while it stocks up

[misty pasture]

oh ok

[wispy osprey]

The ways to play this game is exponentially infinite

[misty pasture]

i built my space elevater on top of this weird rock thingy that is shaped like pi

[wispy osprey]

I know that rock formation!

[misty pasture]

it has a crack at the down

where i got stuck

but got out

[wispy osprey]

That's the only portion of the map where the resource spreading is actually annoying

A lot of normal nodes

[misty pasture]

it takes like 7 milloin years for the smarty pants plating to get up there so glad they added conyvear elevaters

ill try to screen shot it

[wispy osprey]

I need to roll for plastic smart plating

It seems like a good alt

I wish I could scan for bauxite now

Guess I'll just pull up the Ole SCIM

[leaden turret]

look up what the node looks like then get somewhere high and look visually 😛

[wispy osprey]

I found the pure node by chance exploration while going back and forth from my turbofuel setup on the beach

That's like finding a hay in the needle pile

[whole drum]

Alright, now for the loathsome task of finding like 30-40 spheres...

[misty pasture]

how to upload screenshot on discord

[fiery pewter]

Well, first of all, in #screenshots

[feral swan]

Who knew something so simple like walls , glass and some other useless junk can make a factory look decent

[dusky hedge]

and a tree in the foyer

i think im gonna start having an entrance floor for all my new factories

doesnt hav eto be the ground floor

but a desk and stairs leading to where shit happens

[whole drum]

Good to know gifts landing on you doesn't hurt/kill you

And when you step out from under it, the game thinks it's already "landed," so it just stays floating there

[tawny zinc]

Super proud of this, Let me know what yall think #screenshots message

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> seeing headlines that a new version of dlss got announced, did Nvidia announce Satisfactory would support it again?

[fiery pewter]

Looks very cool, gives laser show vibes

[knotty turtle]

What’s a good amount space elevator parts per minute for phase 3

[whole drum]

Up to you. Look at how many you need in total, divide by how long you want it to take, then make that many per min

[flint vault]

bro geting water up is so hard and tedius can someone help me

[whole drum]

You should make a thread in #1038092680493801533 with top-down view of your set up, plus side shots if you have it underground or anything.
Also check out the wiki for easy setups.

[golden nexus]

You can figure this out by taking the rate eg 2,500 vert frameowkring / 25/min = 100 minutes to complete. Is this a suitable number?

[flint vault]

ooh thank you i just joined the server

[whole drum]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[flint vault]

no my problem is that water and coal and the other reasources are so far apart

[whole drum]

If you still struggle, check out the Pipeline Manual, also on the wiki

Oh, well... that's just a matter of strategy--look for coal that's near water. 🙂

Use coal that isn't near water for Steel (near iron)

[flint vault]

i dont there is any

[golden nexus]

Look harder

[whole drum]

There is. The map is fixed, not random.

Use your scanner

[flint vault]

are the maps ore nodes randomly chosen?

[whole drum]

No

[knotty turtle]

No

[golden nexus]

No

[flint vault]

theyre a set positon?

oh really

thats helps alot

[whole drum]

The map is fixed, not random.

[modest kernel]

Are there caves in this game?
I keep hearing stinger but they're no where to be seen and im not even in a biome that they spawn in the only place they could be in under me

[golden nexus]

many

[whole drum]

There is a lot of underground in the map

[modest kernel]

great

[whole drum]

Mostly little holes with bad guys and goodies in them, but a few of them are cavernous enough to setup factories in

[modest kernel]

even more flora and fauna to expliot

[fiery pewter]

Yes

Or exterminate

[modest kernel]

Yeah i've already had to do mass deforestation for biofuel

I really need to get a coal plant set up but anywhere theres a sufficient amount of coal theres little to no water anywhere nearby

so I either run a very long conveyor or a very long pipe, or meet the 2 in the middle

[golden nexus]

What bio did you start in?

[modest kernel]

plains

first time playing

[whole drum]

Use your scanner

[golden nexus]

go here #screenshots message

[whole drum]

If you're on PC, it's V by default

[modest kernel]

ik about the scanner

its just that every coal deposit I visit i have to go like across the map to get to a large enough pool of water

[dense violet]

every start zone has at least 1 set of coal nodes next to water about 1km away

some 2

[golden nexus]

Ok... #screenshots message

Water + 4 Coal nodes

[modest kernel]

what am I looking at?

oh

[whole drum]

At least 3 coal near that pond

[dense violet]

about 1km north of the grassy fields start location

[whole drum]

Also, you shouldn't feel like 1km is a long distance. It only feels like that at the start. You get better traversal tools as you progress, and you will end up crossing most of the map by the later phases.

[modest kernel]

how big is the map

[golden nexus]

Big

[modest kernel]

I thought it would be like 2x2km

[whole drum]

20km?

[dense violet]

about 7.5km x 7.5km?

[whole drum]

I haven't measured. Just estimating, and could be quite off.

[fossil rover]

That sounds about right

[modest kernel]

is every map the same or is it a randomly generated seed like minecraft?

[golden nexus]

same

[dense violet]

it's 1 map

[golden nexus]

This is why we are able to say "Go to X" and do Y

[modest kernel]

well I guess ill just go explore till I find some

[golden nexus]

Gras fields is not so big when you fill it full of factory #screenshots message

[somber smelt]

what would HOR alr recipe be even used for? cuz its one of my choices and idk if its worth it

[whole drum]

Hmm, I think Rocky might be the start with the most obvious Coal power location, lol

[fossil rover]

I currently have 32 coal gens at that spot and i was quite unorganzied while building it. If i rebuild it i could easily fit double the generators there.
The 32 gens provide me with 2.4 GW and use only about 300-400 MW, including the water extractors and miners (4x mk1 at 100%)

[whole drum]

It helps for generating more fuels

[somber smelt]

its better then stock fuel recipe you say?

[hardy vector]

combined with packaged diluted fuel or diluted fuel gives you plenty of fuel

[somber smelt]

i mean i need to build a turbofuel factory anyway

[whole drum]

Check out https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/codex/items
Compare some recipes and see what makes sense to you

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
what is this giant circle on scim

[whole drum]

It even has calculators for you to compare different setups

[somber smelt]

hm alr

[dense violet]

RADIATION

[whole drum]

Radiation from raw uranium on the map isn't too dangerous unless you deliberately linger very close to it or decide to hold some. Just bring some healing items until you get your Hazmat suit.

[somber smelt]

sloppy alumina any good?

[dense violet]

sure. all recipes have their uses

[whole drum]

Most alt recipes are good. Just depends on your purposes.

[dense violet]

combos well wit hteh ingot recipe that doesn't use silica

[scenic mirage]

oooo ight makes sense its my nuclear factory

[whole drum]

This is actually my preferred way to process Aluminum.

[scenic mirage]

me n my homies all hate silica

[whole drum]

I don't mind it generally, but it's just so awkward with Aluminum. Plus it's seldom near any Bauxite.

[south sinew]

sloppy/electrode/pure is a strong setup

[whole drum]

There is a good spot for it near the oil islands on the west side of the map, in an open-roofed cavern

[modest kernel]

I found 4 coal veins right next to a lake
only problem is its like 1.5km away so this is going to have to be a very long power line,
doesnt help theres a handful of cliffs in the way

[whole drum]

Foundations are your friend 🙂

[modest kernel]

im so happy you reminded me of those

[scenic mirage]

power lines are very easy to make tho 😉

[modest kernel]

Yeah its not hard its just kind of tedious, I cant build them as I drive with the tractor

[scenic mirage]

you can slide and at then jump and you get a huge speed boost

[golden nexus]

Forward planning is your friend, the same place btw has iron, copper, concrete nodes btw

[scenic mirage]

you can also use ziplines once you do have them placed

[modest kernel]

cant wait to dump another 6 hours into a game i got 3 days ago

[golden nexus]

the first 500 is the hardest

[modest kernel]

I dont think its the same place you were theres tree's and the coal is kinda spread out but its still only like 100m away from eachother

[south sinew]

bladerunners is way superior to driving a tractor

the crater lake yeah

[modest kernel]

are getting those even possible in phase 1

[south sinew]

you only need Quartz to make them

[golden nexus]

yes

[south sinew]

and modular frames but you can get those in Tier 2 or buy from the shop

[scenic mirage]

im at 421 and a half hours now and im so close to getting uranium nuclear up and running

[south sinew]

it's worth mining quartz just so you can dump it into the sink for some reasonably decent starting shop points and because blade runners are crazy good

[modest kernel]

oh is it phase 2 or 1 I am in? I need like 1000 smart plating compared to the 50 I needed last time

[south sinew]

If you're looking for coal power, you're in Tier 3, Phase 2

so you definitely can make blade runners with your existing tech plus quartz

[modest kernel]

great ill add that to the agenda

[south sinew]

if you started in the green fields in the south of the map there is quartz not too far away

[modest kernel]

if you look in #screenshots its there on the map

thats where I plan to pollute the air with coal burning

[south sinew]

yep that's the crater lake

[golden nexus]

You have recycler for waste sorted?

[modest kernel]

I need to like write down a to-do list its becoming too much to keep track of

[south sinew]

you don't need to worry overly much about doing everything in the right order or anything like that

since all the resources are infinite it's no loss if you waste time or don't do something

so I'd say just don't stress about it

pick whatever's annoying you the most right now, deal with that, then rinse and repeat

[scenic mirage]

basically, just gotta connect everything

[golden nexus]

how big did you go?

[scenic mirage]

43.65 uranium fuel rods/min

[golden nexus]

lol

[scenic mirage]

?

[golden nexus]

So just the 80 gens then?

[scenic mirage]

88 to start, then later ill do plutonium and ficsonium

[modest kernel]

Okay then definitely power, I've begun considering moving everything more north. There just seems to be WAY more materials the farther I go from where I first settled down

[golden nexus]

about 600,000 MW

[scenic mirage]

im just dangerously close to my power limits rn

#screenshots message

[modest kernel]

all fun in games till every assembler, smelter, constructor, etc perfectly sync up

[scenic mirage]

i mean part of that is my power shard factory which is idle rn bc all my storages are full, my nuclear pasta which also has full storages, building mats like rotors/stators, steel pipes, etc

and i have 12.8Gw in batteries

[golden nexus]

yeah some of these are monsters in power usage

[scenic mirage]

yeah... and theyre idle. theyre not gonna randomly start

and i have priority switches 😭

[whole drum]

Having run the experiment on my last save, I think I can say that when it comes to project parts, it's best not to fully automate/sink them until you're on your 2nd or even 3rd oil power plant. Just boxing them into assemblers until then saves so much power.

[hardy vector]

but missing out on so much points

[whole drum]

It is a lot of points, but you really only care about your first 100 tickets or so, and you progress a lot faster with the surplus power.

[hardy vector]

Neh, I want all the tickets

[whole drum]

That said, in later phases, it gets to be really tedious and unwieldy to continue the practice, so once power is no longer an issue, automation is better.

[scenic mirage]

you get a lot for DNA.

[lean sonnet]

easy to get/farm aswell. just kinda time consuming

[scenic mirage]

the whole game is time consuming 😂

i got most of my early game points from sinking random things i found at hard drive sites

[lean sonnet]

you right. got 3.3 hour wait just for a few parts to finish crafting lol. got 400/1000 done.

[golden nexus]

most time consuming part seems to be running the map for items, its kinda forced exploring, otherwise the factory building its self can be made quite easy

[hardy vector]

I have mods to even automate that, but that's a big factory

[lean sonnet]

see I'm modless, 100% vanilla

I don't want to get into mods without "fully" exploring the vanilla game.
230 hours into vanilla and still have 90% of every map to explore lol

[whole drum]

This is my first save with mods, but none that affect production directly--mostly cosmetics/qol stuff

[scenic mirage]

exploring the map is fun tho

[lean sonnet]

I also try to force myself not to use blueprints just to make things more time-consuming and such. idk why, just do lol

[wispy osprey]

Anyone good at train math?

[whole drum]

Funny, I generally don't use BPs just because they aren't useful enough

[lean sonnet]

that's where I see myself out

[lean sonnet]

they're very useful, if you use the printer correctly. can speed things up tremendously.

[wispy osprey]

I almost understand it
Apparently the best throughout is an 18 minute trip

[whole drum]

If apoc or Kyo are around, they are good with trains

[wispy osprey]

Is the best throughput really 18 minutes?

[whole drum]

I know it has the "potential," but I end up spending more time in the BP designer than actually getting anything done--and seldom use them anyway lol

[wicked dagger]

@rich wing
#satisfactory-memes message
> Buy keyboard withount numpad
> Buy external numpad

[golden nexus]

here i find myself taking a steel production from 480 -> 1200 inputs

[lean sonnet]

yeah that's understandable

[scenic mirage]

i HATE TKL keyboards

[golden nexus]

That initial steel production was using to basically unlock all milestones

[scenic mirage]

what phase are you

[wispy osprey]

I've got 1440 per min separated to 2 cars

[whole drum]

Oh, this is just in general. On current save I just started P3

[wispy osprey]

2 steel outputs

[golden nexus]

this is my "starter base"

[rich wing]

I was refering to the scientific calculator and the laptop with the wiki

And the keyboard was given to me by a friend who didn't like the sound of the switches

He had a better one

[whole drum]

Mechanical keys drive me nuts

[wispy osprey]

When refineries doubled my resources i decided then and there to never use smelters for early materials again

[whole drum]

I want silence

[rich wing]

Depends on the noise

[scenic mirage]

you can buy different kinds of switches which are quieter and o rings which dampen the sound too

i have cherry mx optical or laser or smth

[rich wing]

You, my friend, need a "creamy" keyboard

[whole drum]

Yep

[strong fiber]

Thats why most of the time i just make blueprints as i need them

[wispy osprey]

I like a loud keyboard personally

I've been thinking about getting ceramic key switches

[strong fiber]

Me personally im on console but i use keyboard on games that support and i like clicky because click click click

[rich wing]

Ragebait?

[wispy osprey]

Satisfactory will support it soon

[whole drum]

My current keyboard rattles like a motherfkr. I hate it and so does my gf.

[wispy osprey]

No what about you

[dim spoke]

chat how shall i make my ultimate oil machine of doom that produces every oil item i need

[whole drum]

However, it's very comfortable and the backlit keys are quite nice.

[scenic mirage]

i had blues for a little bit and it was honestly too much

[strong fiber]

I know my gameplay will be much smoother but wont stop the random crashes i get when my game saves so annoying

[unkempt blade]

I like my mechanical keyboard at home but when I have to work in an office there's always a few of "that guy" who seem to seek out the loudest switches possible and it makes me crazy

[whole drum]

That super suxx

[strong fiber]

I wish we had batter consoles cause sometimes when my game saves it just shits the bed and if i had a pc i wouldn’t even feel it

[wispy osprey]

I'm betting your game crashes frequently when viewing the map

[rich wing]

I prefer a thocky sound, but the one i was given is halfway between thocky and clicky

[strong fiber]

Actually no

usually when im in a menu

[unkempt blade]

open office setups are the actual issue but seeing as we're all trapped in one together I wish people weren't making lots of uneccessary noise

[strong fiber]

Not the map specifically though

[rich wing]

I play on a steamdeck with a keyboard

[rich wing]

Get a seneca

[strong fiber]

Steamdeck and xbox are two different things

[wispy osprey]

There was one time satisfactory straight up froze and didn't move or react without opening a crash report

This game is very crash heavy for no real reason

[strong fiber]

I dont think its my console its a game bug

[dim spoke]

do i wanna make residual stuff or non residual stuff

[unkempt blade]

yes

[strong fiber]

Because i run 60 fps sometimes dips to 50 fps but is pretty smooth for console

[wispy osprey]

Yes

[rich wing]

Use every oil node and pump it under the map to a mega base

[whole drum]

Speaking of Awesome Sink... I held off making any DNA until I could sloop and now I'm getting 50k/m until my remains run out

[wispy osprey]

How do I pump oil under the map

[whole drum]

Already gained like 50 tickets from it

[rich wing]

I have blues. They're tolerable

[strong fiber]

If you have polymer resin byproduct make residual to get rid of it and put a overflow splitter for polymer resin at the end of the line into a sink so no blockage

[dim spoke]

i just unlocked oil and am wandering what to do with it

[rich wing]

Ah yes typewriter timmy

[sinful wagon]

im going insane valves need to be able to have settings copy and pasted

[whole drum]

On my first oil I typically use the resin to make 60/40 rubber/plastic into DDs, then overflow sink both

[wispy osprey]

What about metal switches?

[whole drum]

Don't use valves. They are probably hurting you.

[sinful wagon]

i love valves

[wispy osprey]

Fun fact, you can vertically transport water without a pump

Because why not

[rich wing]

Who uses valves? I just built all the logistics for a diluted fuel power plant using perfect flow rates

[strong fiber]

How

[wispy osprey]

Someone said it's expensive to make pump-less vertical pipes when you spend most of the game not using copper sheet for much of anything else

[rich wing]

Still need to clad the factory and install the generators

[unkempt blade]

sounds like you're not skillful enough for the valvemaxing challenge 🙁

[scenic mirage]

never heard of them tbh

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1458067156154449984
any drone experts in here?

[rich wing]

Package it and belt it up

[strong fiber]

balright

[rich wing]

Irl or satis?

[scenic mirage]

satisfactory 😭

[dim spoke]

how do i wanna setup my oil like what is the difference between the 2 options

[strong fiber]

For water are we dead ahh

[rich wing]

Nope sorry no experience

[wispy osprey]

Horizontal junctions with welds facing down

For some reason junctions also store water

[whole drum]

I've used them a bit

Dunno about "expert," but mine work

[whole drum]

So do splitters/mergers

Not water, but items

[wispy osprey]

Yeah

I knew that one but didn't know junctions stored water too

[rich wing]

You don't want to use wells

Use nodes

[strong fiber]

Water resource wells

my bad that was the first thing that come to mind

[whole drum]

Actually funny that they are on the map

[rich wing]

Not for oil

[dim spoke]

i have 360m3/min of oil ready rn on nodes

[unkempt blade]

I'd try to avoid oil entirely and just focus your energy on more screws

[dim spoke]

idk what i should setup on them

[whole drum]

What do you need?

[strong fiber]

Not funny when i need water and its not within a 10 mile radius but theres a resource well right there

[wispy osprey]

How much cubed per min does a pure 300% water resource make

[rich wing]

Well for Nitrogen it makes sense, i guess they just wanted it to have more use cases

[strong fiber]

bro idk

[wispy osprey]

One sec

[strong fiber]

I think is like 2400

[whole drum]

I don't really use water wells

[wispy osprey]

That's a lot of water... too much for a pipe

[strong fiber]

!wikisearch resource+wells

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=resource+wells

[dim spoke]

everything that oil makes in reasonable amounts

[whole drum]

Nothing wrong with Oil wells tho

[dim spoke]

i wanna make a all in one oil factory

[strong fiber]

I hate aluminum

[rich wing]

How are you for power?

[whole drum]

If you just unlocked it, you can use it to make rubber/plastic/fabric (through MAM)/smokeless powder (through MAM)

[strong fiber]

I gotta mix the fresh and recycled water

[whole drum]

And fuel

[dim spoke]

i have 1000 MW free

[rich wing]

Recycled water? You mean filtered piss?

[strong fiber]

balright

Its just water from the refineries bro😭

[rich wing]

1 GW free, you probably could use more

[strong fiber]

From the aluminum scrap

[whole drum]

That is not much. You should use some of it to make fuel gens

[dim spoke]

not unlocked them yet

[strong fiber]

Gonna need a big ahh oil plant

Probably rocket fuel

[rich wing]

If you like i can help build a fuel factory

[dim spoke]

i cant build one yet

[strong fiber]

Just use satisfactory tools

[rich wing]

Diluted fuel is fine

[dim spoke]

i need to start up my oil factory for plastic etc

[rich wing]

Have you unlocked fuel gens?

[wispy osprey]

Or just do the math

[rich wing]

What's that?

[wispy osprey]

Why do fuel gens take up that much space

[rich wing]

Internal combustion

[whole drum]

Like I said earlier, I tend to split my first oil plant's rubber/plastic to 60/40 because there are slightly more uses for rubber at first. My 2nd oil plant (that isn't strictly for power) I got a bit harder on the plastic because computer parts use lots of it.

[dim spoke]

if i do 10/min for plastic, rubber and petroleum coke(30m3/min) and leave the rest 330m3/min for energy

[wispy osprey]

Real life fuel/gas gens are a lot smaller. You'll see them used as backup generators

[hallow kiln]

can you change interdimensional ddepot recouerces' priority? I want to use this recources when I dont have anany other but it use them first to buil things

[strong fiber]

Its usually not about the math its about the amount of resources i need is what i care about

[whole drum]

As long as you are feeding DDs with a few upgrades, that is probably enough to start with. I personally would like more, but it's up to you.

[rich wing]

Well real life nuclear reactors are much larger so i guess the devs are compensating

[wispy osprey]

Typically I have all of my necessary resources feeding into dimensional depots anyway

[dim spoke]

i could do more for the stuff too

[whole drum]

There's a button in your inventory above the DD inventory that lets you choose

[dim spoke]

idk just how much i need of each

[strong fiber]

You gonna feed nitrogen gas from dimensional depot?

[whole drum]

If you package it 😄

[wispy osprey]

No that isn't useful, I'd be manually taking out nitrogen gas

[rich wing]

Open inventory
Check box that says "items from inventory first"

[wispy osprey]

Depots can't send items, only take

[strong fiber]

Until u forget and ur plant dies from a lack of nitric acid

[whole drum]

Oh my remains just finished. I got 84 tickets from it.

[wispy osprey]

Maybe on a normal resource well I guess

[strong fiber]

Then you get a popup sayin one of your battery storage supplies are draining

[golden nexus]

@wispy osprey Well thats steel upgraded #screenshots message

[wispy osprey]

What's battery power like anyway

[wispy osprey]

The factory must grow

[rich wing]

I read the first part way out of context. Nice amount of tickets

[strong fiber]

Gives you a buffer from the time your plant goes down and the time after that when your whole grid shuts down

And then shortly after that u give up and re roll the save

[nimble oak]

i lke having a ban of batteries charged up the disconnected from the grid beside my main powerplant

that way f it ever goes down, i have power to get my power back onlne

[wispy osprey]

Also @golden nexus I like your 2 stack splitter setup

My current one uses a cross-belt design because it can...

[strong fiber]

If my main grid goes down my power plant has a hour worth of backup batteries

[rich wing]

I have never used batteries, i just overproduce power and check every power pole in paranoia

[whole drum]

Priority Power Switches save so much of that hassle

[whole drum]

My preferred method as well

If you set up PPS properly, you can't lose your whole grid

[rich wing]

Yeah it skips the middleman of waiting for the batteries to drain before reloading the save

Personally i like to set redundancies, the extractors and refineries in my fuel plant are disconnected from the main grid and powered by coal, where the miners and extractors are disconnected from everything and powered by either coal gens or biomass

[golden nexus]

it looks better in video hold on until i get the output "sunk"

Been upgrading beam + pipe so the factory continues to grow

[rich wing]

I suppose i will make a small fuel plant to power my miners, blenders etc when i go nuclear

[golden nexus]

Seem to be a 1800/min steel ingot factory btw

[rich wing]

Then use the uranium powered reactor to power the copper miners

[wispy osprey]

Any future design is going floor-over-belt though this may be annoying on certain blueprints

[dim spoke]

time to make 2km conveyor for storage 🤑

[cerulean dawn]

what can i use to map out a multi item factory.

i found satisfactory tools but that’s 1 input and 1 output.

and when i want to make rods and nails it suggests making a new miner or something. and that’s not what i want

[rich wing]

Industrial storage bin

[wispy osprey]

This is me but with trains

[golden nexus]

This is my floor at a time design, so its ingot -> beam -> pipe -> frame -> hmf etc...

[wispy osprey]

I can't help it, it's easier to make 100% flat terrain in the sky

[dense violet]

you can very very easily make it at ground level

especially if you have multiple floors

[wispy osprey]

Too late couldn't care less

I live mostly high up anyway

[rich wing]

Or use a train to clip inside the ground. Or a hypertube. And you can build anything there.

[scenic mirage]

satisfactory modeler

[wispy osprey]

Maybe on another playthrough

[dense violet]

... what do you mean it's 1 input and one output?

[rich wing]

Except water extractors and miners, unless you edit your save and put the node there

[whole drum]

Just calculate what you need and segregate the production chains yourself. It doesn't matter if it's all at one factory or at separate ones.

[golden nexus]

How it actually looks #streams-and-videos message

[dense violet]

a plan with 2 outputs https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=01SeRWXO2VwRuzjxILFi

[golden nexus]

I think it give 225/beam and 600/pipe

[wispy osprey]

Nice

[golden nexus]

The trick in the floor by floor design, you pull the ingot forward, put them in the ceiling directly into the constructor manifold. So the whole high throughput belts are instantly reduced, so the logestic issues instantly go away

[wispy osprey]

I'm having a mass ingot material transit because transporting raw ore by train is never a good idea

[golden nexus]

I always reduce if possible so it never needs shipped, though i do transport alu ingots but that should change into higher value items

[wispy osprey]

Just trying to figure out a sweet spot on train throughput

My fully loaded train is 9 cars

Each freight at max storage loads at 960 p/min

[whole drum]

I almost never use trains, but I was thinking about using them as a vehicle for a production chain for advanced parts. Basically, I make components at A, ship them to B, which takes those and upgrades them to the next product, so the train drops off and picks up the next step at the same stop, then repeat at the next stop until I have what I want.

What makes this slightly different from how I see people commonly use trains is that people usually just make all the parts all over the place and ship them to a central location for total processing instead of this daisy-chain approach I'm considering.

[wispy osprey]

The less stops a single line has, the better your throughput is

[whole drum]

Well, while I do want a respectable throughput, I mostly just want the process to work correctly to see if makes enough sense to do it this way.

Assuming they can load and unload at the same time, loading will usually take less time and finish before unloading does (since advanced parts have lower density), so I just have to measure the unloading time for my throughput.

[hardy vector]

Satisfactory Modeler. Lets you plan it exactly how you want it

[whole drum]

If the proof of concept experiment works, theoretically it could be scaled up to work multiple production chains simultaneously.

[wispy osprey]

I kinda figured out how long my train needs to take a trip

For a 960 per min resource my train can't take a trip longer than 10 minutes

[rugged shard]

I have this prob very stipid question but, alot of people using trains but why? Like I just also unlocked them but why should I use them if I can use conveyor belt?

[hardy vector]

for the funsies

[rugged shard]

What is funsies

[feral jay]

Trains have higher throughput than belts

[leaden turret]

• belts go brr
• trains go choo

[wispy osprey]

They carry so so much more per minute it isn't even close

[feral jay]

You can always just run more belts but that gets tedious

[leaden turret]

or meditative 😛

[feral jay]

In one case I ran trains because I had so many belts stacked that my framerate in the area was unbearably slow, trains fixed that

[rugged shard]

Hmmm okay

[wispy osprey]

The equivalent would be (belt input × 2 per train car)

So 9 cars is the equivalent to an 18 belt bus?

It's a lot of belts

[leaden turret]

are you sure? instanced rendering should mean is moot how many belts you have

[feral jay]

It heavily depends on how long the train takes to get from A to B

[feral jay]

Was a while ago, maybe they optimized some stuff and it wouldn't be an isse any longer?

[rugged shard]

How to know that

[leaden turret]

load the save up if you can?

[wispy osprey]

The time can vary on terrain but if you don't care about sky base building or living out of bounds then it's always a static time

[feral jay]

I think I still have that save but I'm online with my nephew atm

[wispy osprey]

Trains do go slower with more cars but I think the sweet spot is 12 fully loaded

On flat terrain*

[feral jay]

Depends on the length of the route, acceleration, number of engines, etc. It's calculable either way, and the station tells you in any case.

[wispy osprey]

Neato

Yeah i forgot the station literally tells you how long the trip takes

[dense violet]

train's super power is that if you're making a main 2 way line to factories you can easily attach new factories to it and not drag belts the whole way each time. they are like giant belts you can send thousands and thousands of parts per min on and are modifiable

[feral jay]

Also I'm running an RTX2070, so, not the most powerful of GPUs

[wispy osprey]

I also forgot you can literally add more engines to a train

[leaden turret]

I used to have a 980 😛

[rugged shard]

Oh damn okay, just gotta learn how to use them, seams complicated 😭

[leaden turret]

they're less complicated than automating other ground-based vehicles, because you lay track instead of recording a path

[wispy osprey]

Path signaling is actually easy

[rugged shard]

Yea but all those light signals or how they called, interlinks and all that

[leaden turret]

if there's only one train on the track, you don't need signals

[timber dragon]

h

[rugged shard]

Well I want at least 2

[leaden turret]

build separate tracks until you get used to them, then play with signals

[timber dragon]

you think thats bad ? i used to main a gtx 745

until 2023

[dense violet]

they aren't.
basically everything in this game can be really complicated
or really simple

based on how you want to do things

if you want to keep trains simple?

2 lanes, one for each direction
stations off to the side
use block signals everywhere
have trains just go A to B

[rugged shard]

Well, I will try it out

Ty tho

[rugged shard]

Ain no way I thought jet pack gonna be stronger

It’s so weak

[golden nexus]

try different fuel

[rugged shard]

Oh

I’m using solid biofuel rn💔

[golden nexus]

got oil? make liquid biofuel

[rugged shard]

Yh just started making all the oil stuff

[golden nexus]

doesn't need to be big, just 1 ref for liquid biofuel

[rugged shard]

Then I need to package it no?

[golden nexus]

yes

[rugged shard]

Alr ty

[golden nexus]

ffs time to rebild wire/cable factory

[dim spoke]

which liquids do i want packaged: Water, Oil, Fuel

directed to my main storage

do i need packaged oil

i know i need atleast fuel

[south cliff]

only fuel has a purpose when packaged. anything else is for transport, if that is how you decide to transport it

[dense violet]

none, they don't have any use stored

[dim spoke]

Yeps

[dense violet]

well besides fuel yeah

[dim spoke]

Ill just package fuel

[dense violet]

but even then.. you don't need much

[hardy vector]

isn't packaged liquid biofuel better?

[south cliff]

its kinda personal preference but imo biofuel is the best jetpack fuel

liquid*

[wispy osprey]

#screenshots I very much hate mk.3 blueprint designer being a late game unlock

[golden nexus]

Same

[feral jay]

It is annoying having to constantly remake blueprints with the belt and designer upgrades

[golden nexus]

Also realise you cannot place a prior mk2 blueprint in the mk3 designer if you try to move it to the corner

[timber dragon]

hi

how are u guys

[feral jay]

heh I didn't know that actually, I guess I just completely remake them when they're the size of the previous designer

[wispy osprey]

I made up a perfectly symmetrical 6×6 4 way roundabout without a guide

[golden nexus]

This is annoying #screenshots message

[feral jay]

Yeah that would be

The designer's a bit bugged any way you look at it, I'm hoping for some decent improvements in 1.2

[golden nexus]

If you have walls on a mk1/mk2 you cannot place in the next level up to remake the blueprint to make it compatible with the mk3 designer

[timber dragon]

damn no one notice me 😢

[feral jay]

I noticed you, I'm just an emacs guy

[golden nexus]

Yup, It also doesn't remember folder/location when you load / save, so you have to constant fight with organisaiton of htem

[wispy osprey]

But yeah now I know the real reason why rails have 2 foundations in-between them

[timber dragon]

how do i enter like freecam to get screenshots from above

[wispy osprey]

Symmetrical roundabouts and 4-way intersections

[wispy osprey]

Idk what it is on PC, console is R3

[timber dragon]

what is it called

ill see keybinds

[wispy osprey]

Enable decoupled camera

[timber dragon]

do i like need cheats to be disabled

or enabled

cuz it aint doin anything when i press the button

ok i got it

who reacted f

i saw that

[clear tartan]

is it even possible to make 10 modular engines a minute

[golden nexus]

yes

[fleet star]

sure

[clear tartan]

just with overclocking i guess?

[fleet star]

sloop would help

[golden nexus]

No, Its really not hard. It just need 150/rubber 20/smartplate 20/motor per minute

[feral jay]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=a56ZbGl5PMdPfE95I9pQ not even all that difficult really

It's just a large build

[reef basin]

You can make even 2520/min

Even more with sloops

[feral jay]

❤️ that maximize option

[clear tartan]

i feel like making the factory completely from scratch

[golden nexus]

I mean this is a late game / max steel. Its based on 1 pure coal and 2 normal iron nodes with mk3 miners @ 250%. It makes 1800/min steel ingots #screenshots message

I have a 40/min smart plate factory which is based on 4 impure iron nodes... so thats obviously no problem to do

[clear tartan]

pure nodes do 240 per minute but then its more if its overclocked isnt it

[golden nexus]

Well its 600/min with a mk2 miner. But mid game on mk4 belts you get 480/min

you don't get to use pure nodes properly until mk6 belts / mk3 miners.
even then you don't get impure/normal nodes to work until mk5 belts either

There are thing you can do though to make it faster in the mid game as well.

[clear tartan]

so would i even manage on MK4 belts with 10 modular engines a min

[clear tartan]

like?

[golden nexus]

Yeah its not hard....

Like solid steel ingot doubles your steel production hence why i have 1200/min feed but 1800/min ingots. So if you have steel rotor/stator you get motor done easy

You just need a double belt of wire one for rotor and one for stator and then combine the stator/rotor to make a ton of motors

[hardy vector]

It is not dependent on the belts you have available

[clear tartan]

right im not limited to one conveyor per setup

[golden nexus]

Rightm the only limit the belt is based on is how fast you can get materials out of hte ground from a single node

this is why pure nodes early on are overrated tbh

[reef basin]

That's what I'd recommend yeah

[timber dragon]

oh boy i just unlocked the pipes

[clear tartan]

i just need to find a place which has most the materials

then get the other bit in

[idle glen]

so, some of the slugs spawn under the ground without the abillity to collect them, I have one close to my base, I can see the particles and hear it but I just cant pick it up

[golden nexus]

And a few recipes like solid steel, steel rotor,

[rugged shard]

What’s is best place to build fuel gen power plant?

[whole drum]

There is probably a cave or destructible rock you have to access

[clear tartan]

what about the rigor motor

[timber dragon]

idk probably near oil

[golden nexus]

Not worth it from my point of view

[whole drum]

This guy understands me 😄

[golden nexus]

Motor is the sticking point for mod engines. The smartplate you should be able to blueprint both a rotor/rplate factory on iron nodes by now. Since oyu can basically convert iron nodes to these materials smart plate is quite simple to scale up

[clear tartan]

ok

[golden nexus]

This is smart plate 40/min (with spare change) #screenshots message

Its kinda obvious it was built with a vertical scaling blueprint....

[idle glen]

probably not, I've explored this whole area + its a flat terrain

[clear tartan]

i just have to find hard drives for the rotor recipe

but then can it be done by the normal recipe for the rotor

[golden nexus]

Yup

The other part i do to solve the problem is make a wire building to make a lot of motor So you juast convert a copper node to wire (2 belts). One of stator 1 for rotor

[clear tartan]

another thing is

the rifle is better than the rebar gun isnt it

[golden nexus]

yes

[rugged rune]

Where to make gold and silver ornaments? I thought assembler but they arent there

[thick flame]

Whoever did the ratios for the pure iron ingots

I dont like you anymore

35 to 65 doesnt sound bad right?

[timber dragon]

since youre typing so long im guessing its very bad

[thick flame]

Divide 1200 by 35 and you get 34.285715
overclock it to 1.5? it's 52.5/1200=22.857143
2? 70/1200=17.142857
2.5? 87.5/1200=13.714286

There is no easy way to have a whole number of refineries for it .

besides underclocking one or smth stupid

[unkempt blade]

what's wrong with underclocking?

[thick flame]

I have really bad ocd

doing that is an impossibility cause they've all gotta be equal else not an option :) I hate it

[timber dragon]

i dont

[unkempt blade]

what if you figure out a UC% that makes all of them the same?

[thick flame]

I did

[timber dragon]

i just throw random stuff togheter and hope it works

[hardy vector]

You don't need to be fixated to 150%, 200% or 250% overclocking

[thick flame]

it was something stupid like 113.743 or smth

[hardy vector]

Just enter 40/m into the target field

[plain gate]

not all of them have to be 100% active all the time

[hardy vector]

overclock value will calculate itself, will probably something fractal

[unkempt blade]

It's a good logistics game for that. There's a lot of people who stress themselves out over perfect efficiency numbers or whatever

[plain gate]

only fp8 in the game

[unkempt blade]

nodes never depleting makes it really low risk to just do stuff you like and let it run a little longer

[thick flame]

171.428%

outputs 111.428 though

[unkempt blade]

maybe just only use a round number and sink the leftovers?

[thick flame]

[thick flame]

Tempting

[plain gate]

round up

[upper gale]

Dude I just tried it out and went ahead and automated it too, explosive rebar is so nice to use instead of regular nobelisks

[thick flame]

a single node outputting 1200 with pure iron it will give you 2228.56/m of iron ingots

[plain gate]

yea just treat it as a 2100 node for me

[thick flame]

yeah

yeah It's naptime cause I'm tempted to pull out the nuke nobelisks again

[hardy vector]

Maybe install EasyAlt mod, most alt recipes got way cleaner numbers 🙂
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1458112288710987847

[plain gate]

"im stupid and have no brain" mod

[dim spoke]

yay now my oil factory is finished

20/min plastic and rubber, 8/min fuel, 60/min petroleum coke, and like 180/min of the blue stuff

[upper gale]

Not really about being stupid, just about having a preference. I can work with unsavory ratios or numbers but I still prefer nicer numbers it satisfies the ocd

[dim spoke]

+so much more power

[unkempt blade]

chill, it's ok for people to have fun in different ways

[plain gate]

i mean, the idea of alt recipes is for you to think

to work harder to achieve ficsit™ efficiency

[upper gale]

There are plenty of things to think about in this game

[plain gate]

otherwise pure iron wouldnt be at a 60/min/building ratio 💀

[leaden turret]

does the Lizard Doggo have a butthole or cloaca?

[upper gale]

You could prefer to think about aethetics or layout instead

[golden nexus]

It is if you build it in banks of 10

[upper gale]

You could think about
Fluids

I don't think about that though

[golden nexus]

Yup, Pure iron in bank of 10 is 200/water per bank

i did pure iron in banks of 10 because ofthat, then sorted out the outputs belts the last time i did it

pure iron isn't worth it imo.

[unkempt blade]

I choose to mostly thing about factory carts which is something like "weeee I'm so tiny and adorable and joyful watch how far this jumppad throws me into the air and all the awesome flips I do!"

[clear tartan]

i realised that i need an overflow storage for all the plastic im making

[unkempt blade]

Unless you're planning to do some huge liquid-related build I'd say maybe just sink it. It's not used in buildables to the extent of like concrete or iron plates

[clear tartan]

ok

[unkempt blade]

I'd do like depot first then overflow to sink

[clear tartan]

i was thinking about asking but i then i did think that

[whole drum]

What you want in most cases is to belt the product to a storage container connected to a DD, with a smart splitter set to Overflow that feeds into a sink.

[golden nexus]

just sink high rate items

[clear tartan]

like screws?

[golden nexus]

You need less than a box of screws to get though whole game

[clear tartan]

so i guess sink them again

[golden nexus]

Its used to craft a few things and then never get used again

[whole drum]

Not counting the ones that belong in production chains

[idle glen]

are there any half walls for half fundaments?

[unkempt blade]

yeah I love screws but I generally wouldn't store many screws at all. It's mostly just for equipment outside of producing other items

[golden nexus]

So its a case of you need them made as part of a rebar factory on an impure nodes somewhere else

[hardy vector]

vanilla no, modded yes

[whole drum]

I started this save with a machine doing 20 screws/m into a box and haven't needed more

I don't even DD them

[wispy osprey]

It is to me

That's so much steel

[zealous urchin]

🫸

[unkempt blade]

yeah unless you're losing your equipment a lot it's like *maybe 2 stacks of stuff you need them for that isn't part of producing higher tier items

[wispy osprey]

It would be kinda funny if screws were removed from the game altogether because of the plague of using them

[golden nexus]

I hvae no problem with them and tbh quickwire is worse

[unkempt blade]

satisfactory players will fixate on literally anything except ways to use screws that don't involve one huge manifold for a row

[golden nexus]

You know hte hi-speed recipie which wants 210/min quickwire.....

[upper gale]

There are half foundations in terms of width but not for height
And there are 1m walls for height but not for width

[wispy osprey]

Using caterium+copper is the way to go

[unkempt blade]

blueprints were a total gamechanger for screw recipes but I feel like the community never caught up to it

[golden nexus]

You mean fused quickwire

[wispy osprey]

Yeah the alt

[golden nexus]

I did....

[wispy osprey]

But both of those things are already used in other recipes, like copper sheets and quickwire

I had enough of screws in the earlygame

It's like I didn't even know how to count

They clogged so many machines lol

[old grove]

does anyone have any ideas how i can increase the efficiency of my rotor/reinforced iron plate production

[upper gale]

I think you only get the screw problem if you make a lot of something, I don't really make a lot so never really had the issue

[golden nexus]

Yes

[golden nexus]

Do you have mk2 belts?

[old grove]

oh no i didint even think of that

[upper gale]

Consider alts if you have any

[old grove]

ive been using cast screws

but thats about it

[golden nexus]

This floor layout will work for both rotor and rplate. You need ot mess with the clock speed a bit though #screenshots message

Then all your belt problems involve feeding ingots to the constructors as fast as possible using your fastest possible belt speed. This means you can do things like have 4 ingots buses running up the side of the building etc....

[old grove]

i didnt think of that

its time to do alot of reconstructing

[golden nexus]

So even with a mk2 belt you can feed 480/min of iron into the building

[old grove]

so it looks like i have too many miners and too few constructors

[golden nexus]

For rplate it uses 60/min per floor. So you get 5/min from each floor. So 480/60 = 8 floors * 5/rplate = 40/min output...

So you can do that with mk2 belts....

[old grove]

and i mean like, way too many #screenshots

[clear tartan]

everything is sinkable isnt it

[hardy vector]

no

[clear tartan]

i should of-

[golden nexus]

no

[clear tartan]

every non liquid is sinkable isnt it?

[golden nexus]

anything renewable is sinkable

[clear tartan]

oh

[old grove]

whats sinkable

oh wait, awesome sink?

[clear tartan]

yes

[hardy vector]

No. Look into the codex to know

[clear tartan]

i suddenly have a hate for polymer resin

[leaden turret]

-# misread as polymer raisin

[mortal ginkgo]

pls no hate resin

[upper gale]

You could sink that though

[clear tartan]

its made me drain my whole fuel system which has 10 fuel gens to it

[mortal ginkgo]

you can sink it

[clear tartan]

i am with MK4 belts

[mortal ginkgo]

so why are we hating them?

[clear tartan]

because its not clearing quick enough

[mortal ginkgo]

have more than one belt to feed on another sink?

[hazy void]

How common is the iron wire alternative?

[clear tartan]

ive just put another sink down

[mortal ginkgo]

very nice, you can also grab all resin and delete them once if you are trying to get rid of clogging

[mortal ginkgo]

its an alt recipe, common as much as any other alt recipe

[hazy void]

oh ok

[clear tartan]

is there any way i can have all my polymer resin but when it gets full overflow it

[golden nexus]

smart splitters

[clear tartan]

ok

good

[mortal ginkgo]

to give you more information, the more you progress in milestones etc, the more alt recipes you can find out, so it gets more time (or RNG) to get what recipe you want

[upper gale]

More recipes get added the further you get into the tiers so, best time to get something like iron wire would be in the early game

[vague plume]

HELP

[mortal ginkgo]

NO HELP

[whole drum]

UN-HELP

[hardy vector]

DISHELP

[vague plume]

When i try to build anything... i get some sort of Blue warning thingy??

[whole drum]

That's the placement hologram

[hardy vector]

blue hologram means everything is okay

[vague plume]

No

[wispy osprey]

It'd be funny if they secretly added a pure uranium node in 1.2

It would be pretty funny

[vague plume]

Blue warning

[hardy vector]

there is no blue warning