satisfactory

[unkempt blade]

Sometimes it happens accidentally when an update happens but otherwise they're gone... You can reset them in SCIM if you desire though

[keen marten]

i've played shapez 1 a lot

[severe pewter]

Half-true. Things tend to respawn during certain version updates. I've had to clear the same areas 3 or 4 times now because of it. Pisses me off every time too.

[dusky hedge]

all my leaves regrew pretty fast in my runs last week

i was actively clearing areas in order to make it easier

[reef basin]

afaik that's not a "respawn", but that they moved/added foilage and game treats it as a different one that hasn't been collected yet

and afaik they fixed that now

[dusky hedge]

they usually dont regrow under foundations and machines afaik

[keen marten]

i'll jump on shapez 2 when it leaves ea or if they have a release date for when they plan on leaving ea. either one. (their faq doesn't have a time for release)

[dusky hedge]

shapez is amazing already, the concensus might kill it and make it easier for the masses

[keen marten]

shapez is a brilliant way to get into factorio as well.

[severe pewter]

I've had to blow up rocks that spawned over my miners. And the trees poking out out of the floor again. Terrain does what it wants. But again, only during certain version updates, when all that stuff is reset.

[dusky hedge]

when i got to painting my mind was blown, so much fun making stackable half sided designs

[reef basin]

honestly I'd get it now, it's not like it is incomplete or buggy, it plays nice and well

[keen marten]

it's not that. i've just gotten shafted so many times from ea games just sitting idle for years. it just feels like it's a 2nd job for many indie devs and they just don't have any goals of finishing the game, they just work on it as they get bored.

[dusky hedge]

i watched a vid of a guy resurrecting a 6 year old save, and a lot of treees had grown inside his factories, it looked post apocalyptic, was cool

[severe pewter]

Mine isn't too far behind that. 5 years?

[reef basin]

well I buy games because I want to play them in their current state, not with expectation that they will get better

[dusky hedge]

pretty incredible that the gmaes still function after that long

[keen marten]

plus getting an early access game spoils the gameplay. unless you plan on playing the game for thousands of hours, i don't see a reason of getting into an early access game. a game like schedule 1 for example. i can see playing that for a thousand hours, so that's ok, but still it's got one dev and estimates are it being done in 6+ years.

[severe pewter]

Is it? My NES and its games still work

[dusky hedge]

you could always don the old eyepatch to try it out 😮

im not adverse to try before you buy

hence im not married 😉

[reef basin]

I play it in EA, if it comes out as full, I can play again. No disadvantage there 😛

[severe pewter]

With the exception of things like mmorpgs, I prefer my games to not require me logging into a service to play. That means that eventually it will be unplayable without hacking the booter.

[reef basin]

so, anything that's on steam is invalid?

[severe pewter]

Offline mode is a thing

[dusky hedge]

quite often ea is better because its more what the devs intended, then ppl cry its too hard so they change it
i loved avorion for ages then they made it kind of casual. it had its issues before but lost its character over the years

[keen marten]

read valve's steamworks early access doc. i can't link it. you get ideas on what valve expected ea to be. nobody follows it. nobody designs games as good as valve.

[reef basin]

offline mode still requires you to be logged in advance, wouldn't work if steam went down and you installed it on new PC

[severe pewter]

Does it? I don't remember that being a thing.

[reef basin]

you can't come to a new PC, install steam, not log in and tell it "I am this person, trust me and trust that I have the game I want to play" without actually authenticating against valve servers

[keen marten]

take a game like stoneshard. would playing a story-based game like that early ruin the game when it releases, when it's so close to being released?

[dusky hedge]

when yoiu guys upgrade pc next time i recommend keeping your old one as is, the internet could go many ways and having a way to game offline and watch movies etc could be a gondsend at some point

[reef basin]

well I don't play story games 😉 so I guess that's a fair point, but doesn't apply to me

[keen marten]

fair

[severe pewter]

Well that's a shame then, it means that Satisfactory has a time limit

[reef basin]

switch to Factorio, that one works just fine

[keen marten]

no story games. what about those co-op base building survival games? do you enjoy those?
(which are also open world)

[dusky hedge]

ive never been into story games, id rather watch a move while playing a game
but a few games have sucked me in like ff7 and creeper world 3

usually im skip skip skip let me fkn skip

[reef basin]

depends. I quite liked colony survival, but some of those zombies-will-eat-your-base games I just didn't enjoy

[dusky hedge]

and that epic game with the shark gun 😄

i watched every cut scene

[severe pewter]

Tower defense is hard to balance, and not make overly repetitive

[dusky hedge]

scum is a great game, thouroughly recommend but at some point it feels like youve dont it already

[hybrid nymph]

Coal I love coal 🥰💖

[dusky hedge]

oop was meant to reply to david

[keen marten]

i got into kingdoms and castles a bit, but it's not co-op.
how about turing complete. did you enjoy that one?

[reef basin]

yeah that doesn't look like a game I'd enjoy much tbh. I like more chill games

[hybrid nymph]

Whenever I find a new coal source I always setup as many coal generators as possible

[reef basin]

turing complete was great (but lacked mission editor)

[keen marten]

yea. like turing complete just feels incomplete to me without it.

[dusky hedge]

😄 scum has no chill, no chill at all, you die from infection from a scratch

youi get hot and cold and wet and thirsty and starve its awesome

[keen marten]

do you get into story-driven games?

[hardy vector]

There are a few overhaul mods like Refined Power and Ficsit Farming, Fexpan which bring in moderately new content, and then there is SF+ which completely is a whole new game in itself.

[dusky hedge]

nah not usually, i sometimes get sucked into a game that has a good one, but only after playing it for a while

[hybrid nymph]

I just updated the coal plant, addeed 16 new coal generators for a total of 64 coal generators in #screenshots

[hardy vector]

The restrictions are quite soft. Take a look at Platform Expansion Program for example

[reef basin]

like people need to understand that "how to make a good puzzle game" step 1 is "make a mission editor"

[keen marten]

none modify existing items or game functionality tho. like modding seems like an afterthought. compare these mods to what's being done in factorio, it's a totally different world. you can't even mod the UI/HUD

[hardy vector]

Infinite Zoop

[dusky hedge]

cool, yeah i can imagine myself uysing that

why isnt it in base game idk

[hardy vector]

I've made factorio mods and the factorio modding engine is IMHO more limited than modding with the Unreal Engine in Satisfactory. Still you can do many things with what is provided by the Factorio modding engine.

[dusky hedge]

are you good at modding factorio?

[keen marten]

otherwise we're just playing the game on rails.
it's like playing baldur's gate 3 instead of neverwinter nights 2, the latter has a mission editor and so doing has created servers full of people joining the game for custom adventures that never end.

[hardy vector]

Just created a few tweak mods so far, nothing biggy. But worked trough many tutorials and looked at other mods code.

[dusky hedge]

that sounds cool, i tried baldurs gate but was too focused on poe at the time and had no interest

been meaning to give it another go

[keen marten]

i can't link it sadly, but look up "nwn arelith" anywhere, which is a D&D game where the DM's are hidden and monitor the game to make sure players are "roleplaying" in a rpg. and the players all do these various quests and such in this world that evolves & changes over time as the players interact with it. bg3 will never be that since there's no proper modding tools.

[dusky hedge]

aactually i really lliked divinity and pillars of eternity, probably more for the tactics but they count as story driven i guess

[reef basin]

well it's two different things

Factorio modding is official and using provided APIs only.
SF's modding is unofficial and "forcibly" injects itself into the game code and can practically overwrite anything due to that fact

If you would do a mod that would inject itself into Factorio's process, you could also do practically anything there 🙂

[keen marten]

baller. fr. thank you.

[keen marten]

my fav story-driven game by far is called gothic. it's not a party-based turn-based combat. it's real-time, over the shoulder game. it's older and they're working on a remaster rn. different than every other one before and after it for several reasons. monsters don't respawn, monsters don't scale to your level, the entire world is explorable, but it's not totally open world since monsters are hand placed - for example high level monsters are placed to keep you out of certain areas until you're leveled & skilled enough to beat them, and that is built on solid character progression and loot progression. but it is a story-driven game

[dusky hedge]

have you played kings bounty series?

i think its the gold standard of tbs

[keen marten]

i canm

[rugged shard]

Can you make blueprint designer bigger? Bru is too small

[keen marten]

i can't play story-driven games that don't have ful voice acting any longer sadly (gothic is fully voiced)

[dense violet]

you know you can make blueprints in multiple sections right? It's effectively infinite in size

[hardy vector]

There are three sizes of the blueprint designer in the game, as you progess through the tiers

[rugged shard]

Wym

[dusky hedge]

kings bounty is a must play for anyone who likes tbs, also ff tactics, but it might be dated i havet played it for years

[red sun]

just make multiple blueprints and tile them

even easier now the belts autoconnect

[rugged shard]

Wai you can like connect them?

[dense violet]

when you print the blueprints, yes

[rugged shard]

Oh like that

[dense violet]

it's basically no extra effort. You could even place like 4 BP machines next to each other for hte look of things

[rugged shard]

Would be way better if just one big one but okay, that works too

[keen marten]

love how it's made by 1c.
i'll wishlist it and if ai eventually is able to turn text into fully voiced lines i'll play it.

[dense violet]

the entire point of them is to not print whole entire ass factories in one go

[reef basin]

eh, it's a challenge for a reason 🙂

[red sun]

they really were right when they said "we're reluctant to make a bigger blueprint designer bc people are just gonna want bigger ones"

just gotta be creative with your space

[dense violet]

honestly there was more bitchign about bp machines after they included them in the game and I just want all those people to suffer

[dusky hedge]

i dont even remember the story, the tactics is what it is all about

[red sun]

honestly i've hardly touched blueprints. i've used them for rail supports and that's about it

[dense violet]

it was annoying before BPs were a thing, but it was insufferable after they got them

[dusky hedge]

sorry for chatting off topic guys 😐

[red sun]

it happens

[hardy vector]

There are mods for that

[red sun]

what's that they say in game design?
"players will always try to optimise the fun out of a game"

this is why limitations like blueprint size exist, if you could run around throwing massive blueprints down willy-nilly it does hurt the experience a little iyam

the tedium is part of the game

[eager harbor]

[unkempt blade]

yeah we should be funning the optimization out of games instead and using way way more factory carts

[red sun]

amen to that

[eager harbor]

Bruh

[dusky hedge]

has anyone tried the cart tower challenge?

[hardy vector]

You mean like that? ^^ https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1457698774775234601

[red sun]

part of the fun of blueprints is seeing how much you can stuff into one

@unkempt blade see how many factory carts it takes to fill up a blueprint designer

i'm itching to know

[dusky hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XIOk6uryhYs

definitely have to try thisat some point

[unkempt blade]

I assume I'd need to build a cube around them to max the number but then I'd have to figure out how I delete the walls all the carts don't immediately fall out because I'd need a couple seconds to save it

a collapsing cube of carts does have a certain aliterative appeal to it though

[red sun]

that would also be something to see

[strong fiber]

today is my birthday

[red sun]

well happy birthday :)

[dusky hedge]

yoiu can sinksupports into the blueprint designer with h not sure abou foundations

[unkempt blade]

merry hollandaise!

[strong fiber]

🙁

[red sun]

off topic but i love hollandaise

[strong fiber]

i used a factory cart yesterday it brings my pasta to my train

Then the train brings it home

[unkempt blade]

excellent cart usage!

[strong fiber]

But also gotta go to school today

[unkempt blade]

just tell them you have bird flu and that should buy you another week or two

[strong fiber]

the factory must grow

I need to finish automating all phase 4 parts bruh

So i can unlock mk 6 belts

[unkempt blade]

convince your teacher you're practicing math

[dusky hedge]

math teachers dont care about math any more

[strong fiber]

Very basic math but ok

[hollow hazel]

I... have made a miscalculation and over built... Now I need to tear everything apart. 😭

[unkempt blade]

satis is very common core

[strong fiber]

I would never i would just deal with it especially if i just overbuilt

[red sun]

they don't need to know that

[hardy vector]

Sink the overflow instead?

[red sun]

sink the overflow anyway

[strong fiber]

Imma say im practicing trigonometry

[red sun]

trigonometry, trigons

[hollow hazel]

It is an UNDERflow... 240 oil does not equal 3 particle accelerators of diamonds. 😭

[red sun]

potato tomato

[strong fiber]

Why u say u over built then

[dusky hedge]

tomacco

[strong fiber]

oh wait nvm im tar tar

Just get more oil fr

[hollow hazel]

I've already abosed a lot of nodes for plastic and rubber. There's barely anything left.

[strong fiber]

I barely make any plastic and rubber at one spot usually just made at the factory even if i have to train it in

[hardy vector]

overclock the extractors?

[strong fiber]

Also is the west coast good spot for nuclear power?

I gotta drone in uranium nodes either way

[hollow hazel]

...coast? Try the east coast of the west islands (aka at the west border of the kill zone) 😂

[strong fiber]

Bro dongle i aint ever been to the west side yet

I didn’t know what they was called

[hollow hazel]

Middle of the ocean is good place for nuclear. Far away from your personal being. 😉

[strong fiber]

im building a large nuclear power plant and i aint even ever made one before so im probably cooked

nuclear waste gonna back up and whole grid bouts shut down

[hollow hazel]

Recycle your waste to Plutonium Fule Rods and sink 'em.

[strong fiber]

im using the plutonium fuel rods into fisconium

Then gonna process allat

[hollow hazel]

Oh, well, then the Ficsonium Fuel Rods is the end of the line without waste.

[strong fiber]

But i cant do the fisconium until i get to phase 5 so gonna sink plutonium rods until then

Before i even start gotta build a big ass aluminum factory in the middle of the map cuz my other factory in the swamp is getting all used up

[hollow hazel]

That was my plan as well in my first run. I waited with nuclear until I could make the Pluts, then built the whole plan from U to F, but sank the Ps until I could handle the P to F.

[strong fiber]

I originally wasn’t gonna build nuclear but when one particle accelerator started using 5000 MW i knew i was cooked

[ember moon]

#screenshots message :P

[calm mango]

Idk why but the way the pumps kinda crab claw into the gens is so... satisfactory

[hybrid nymph]

I am upgrading the oil plant

we shall NEVER run out of coal again

[gritty sparrow]

if anyone can help me out in #1038092680493801533 i'd highly appreciate it 😭

[full wagon]

you fake farmer!1!1!11!

[unkempt blade]

🎶 there was a farmer had a lizard D-O-G-G-O 🎶

[leaden turret]

🎶 there was a farmer had a dog and lizard was it's species-o 🎶

[hardy vector]

Steel Wire 😄

[mystic plank]

how many smelters in a manifold layout for smelter with mk1 miner on a pure ore?

[dense violet]

look at how much the miner is outputing - then do division

avoid doing 'machine maths' , it'll screw you over later. Look at the numbers from machines and recipes

[unkempt blade]

it depends how much you underclock them to make them more power efficient

[full wagon]

i wish i could use a hypertube cannon irl

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[leaden turret]

-# 🎶 there was a lizard that had a butt or was it a cloaca? C-L-OACA / C-L-OACA / C-L-OACA / or was it a cloaca? 🎶

[leaden turret]

you can if you're a fish

[full wagon]

too bad ime the real farmer

[unkempt blade]

I think we need to work on the meter a little but you're nailing the subject matter

[dry dock]

Hello all, I have a spare invite for nest.rip if anybody would like it

(Image hosting with sharex integration)

[leaden turret]

B-I-NGO and C-L-OACA have the same pattern

[full wagon]

i just finnished phase 2 is there any must have blueprints?

[unkempt blade]

mostly if you find yourself building the same thing over and over blueprint it

except for #screenshots message which is mandatory because it's amazing

[lunar python]

What 😭

[leaden turret]

https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/environment/creatures/lizard-doggo/biology/

[full wagon]

i died from and explosive ficmas gift but i got nobelisk and put it on the pigeon giraff creature and exploded it 10/10 worth it

[mystic plank]

underclock? would that be more efficient? coz me and my friend did quite alot of smelters on few miners, some said i just have to make it full before i turn crafters on, but it didnt work

[unkempt blade]

technically yes but just so I don't spread confusion I was mostly being a troll

stuff is less efficient power usage over 100% clock and more efficient under 100%

[upper gale]

If it's iron or copper then 4 smelters

[unkempt blade]

make sure you show your work or no credit on the test!

[mystic plank]

so once i have mk2 and so on it just doubles am i right? i just add 4 more?

[upper gale]

Yup

[dense violet]

depends if your miners can output more

[mystic plank]

well yeh mk2 miner

[upper gale]

Alright fine 120/30=4 😭😭

[hardy vector]

What would making it full help?

[mystic plank]

idk its what they told me to do, so i tried but after for awhile it went back to normal ;-;

[hardy vector]

It's not a fluid system. sounds sketchy

[eager harbor]

Hello people of ficsit

[mystic plank]

after smelters, do i do manifold again? or just straight to the constructors?

[hardy vector]

depends

[unkempt blade]

this is where you actually want to look at the numbers in the recipe you're using instead of asking us

[heavy comet]

gah damm i played again after like 2 months and boom 10 hours gone

[upper gale]

It could go either way depending on what the constructor is making but for simplicity you could just manifold it since manifolds just work in any situation as long as your belt isn't too full (you will need to use mk2 belts)

[mystic plank]

gotcha

[heavy comet]

yo you play satisfactory too ???

[upper gale]

Possibly

[heavy comet]

wdym

[upper gale]

I may or may not play satisfactory

Joking yes ofc i do

[upper gale]

Yep it's addicting

[heavy comet]

fr

its very stress free

unlike astroneer

[steady cedar]

Astroneer isn't stress full

[upper gale]

Ohh that's what you mean, yeah now I remember you from the other server

[heavy comet]

its like it has oxygen

and managing it stressful

[steady cedar]

Ye i guess but its pretty easy to deal with

[upper gale]

I stopped playing astroneer though the megatech bugs are crazy man

[steady cedar]

Well different people have different tolerance for things

[heavy comet]

yea

[heavy comet]

i was bout to buy megatech but i said wait...... this game is getting kinda boring

[steady cedar]

I would say mega tech is a bit too grindy, but its for people who like to build and automate everything in that game

[upper gale]

Mhm

[heavy comet]

whats on your mind ???

[upper gale]

I dunno, just playing on my satis world rn

[heavy comet]

can i join

js spectate

[upper gale]

I'm playing on my solo save but if you want then we can start a co-op save

[heavy comet]

betttt

[upper gale]

Dm

[dim spoke]

can i move storage containers somehow

[hardy vector]

dismantle, recreate

[dim spoke]

😔

[hybrid nymph]

okay I'm going to bed after a 5 hour play session

I'll be on tomorrow

I am almost done with tier 7

I just need 2 more milestones, and have almost completed 4 MAM research trees

[peak wasp]

hi all what is the rateo of consume plutonium rod?

[eager harbor]

I finally got SAM

[dense violet]

!wikisearch NPP

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=NPP

[peak wasp]

thx !

[tranquil zinc]

can I use the manifold design for pipes? Or are there any other considerations that I need to know (except headlift of course)?

[hybrid nymph]

You can yes

What tier are you on @tranquil zinc?

[tranquil zinc]

cause I am reading the fiscit plumbing manual and in lesson 3 I am confused

[dense violet]

yes you can manifold pipes. But there's other considerations

[tranquil zinc]

tier 5

[hybrid nymph]

What are you confused about?

[grizzled lotus]

thoughts on sloppy alumina?

[hardy moat]

OP

[hybrid nymph]

Okay so you haven't got Mk2 pipes yet

[dense violet]

these are some simple basic rules to follow for easy pipe management #math-and-meta message

@tranquil zinc

[hybrid nymph]

Well for starters your Mk1 pipes have a max flow rate of 300^3m

[tranquil zinc]

about designing the pipe network. Can I just have one input pipeline? assuming of course for 300 limit of mk 1 pipes.

the guide makes it seems that I need multiple ones

[dense violet]

what do you mean 'one input line' ?

[hybrid nymph]

2 water pumps running at 150% clock speed will go at max flow rate, except you need to consider backflow

[grizzled lotus]

I mean, it might seem good but I already need silica gel down the line, which is why I'm not sure how I want to use this recipe

[hybrid nymph]

Which can be somewhat prevented with pumps

[dense violet]

you can also get an ingot recipe that doesn't need silica

[tranquil zinc]

lest say I want to build 4 refineries for fuel using 1 pure oil node. Because I want to build modularly, If I add another pure oil node, I can just add another 4 next to the initial ones? Assuming of course mk 2 pipes once I unlocked it

[dense violet]

if you have 600 or less flow sure

[tranquil zinc]

or do I need a seperate location? dunno if I am making sense or I am misunderstanding

[dense violet]

you probably are over thinking things, it's not clear what your issue is.

[dense violet]

simple rules #math-and-meta message

also , if you want fewer issues and more flexibility in your pipe design, just use mk1 pipes

[tranquil zinc]

thanks, saving this

[dense violet]

you can basically slap them around and do almost whatever you want with them

[tranquil zinc]

are there problems with mk 2?

[dense violet]

low flow pipes = few back flow issues

[dense violet]

no, only that you have to build them properly and neatly

low flow pipes gives you more leeway doing dumb things or more messy piping

[reef basin]

not really, some people think there are, but it's usually just a build issue

[grizzled lotus]

I didn't realize alt recipes built on each other lik ethat

[dense violet]

that's the primary power of most alt recipes - their 'good' factor depend almost entirely on

how much of a thing you want to make
what other things you're making with what resources
where you want to make the thing
what other recipes you want to combo with the recipe you're thinking about

this is why there's essentially no 'bad' recipes, just depends on the situation, what you want, and how you use them

[dense violet]

for example - super computers entirely from Caterium and Oil https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=TO9Kcd5QoBV5b8jILl7S

[clear tartan]

do trains generate power or consume it

[dense violet]

consume

[hardy moat]

consume

https://tenor.com/view/consume-they-live-weird-gif-16109744

[dense violet]

technically they generate a bit of power breaking but it's never going to recoup anything

[grizzled lotus]

how many MAM upgrades are locked behind hard drives?

I think I got 2 so far

[tranquil zinc]

So, should I add a loop for this blueprint then? According the the link you gave me. #screenshots message

[dense violet]

depends on how much flow you're doing in it. close to 600 ? probably

[tranquil zinc]

so that it does not backflow up right?

[reef basin]

it can always backflow, better looping it

[tranquil zinc]

thanks, need mk 2 blueprint I think cause it won't fit. Guess I'll use this in meantime for mk 1 pipes

Loop output side as well?

[dense violet]

just inputs

in blueprints you can also build a pipe above the input pipe that isn't properly looped, and just manually loop it as needed once built

[west hazel]

finally finished phase 4 and i have to say that was a gratifying dopamine hit

[peak wasp]

after 408h i done satisfactory... ❤️

[tranquil zinc]

do you mean like this? #screenshots message

loop the first one with the end?

[dense violet]

did an example in screen shots

just a straight pipe, that way it becomes a modular section of machines that you can complete the loop as you need

[wintry carbon]

i made a roundabout with 18 trainstations. would it be better to use a 1-way station with a second roundabout outside or make it a 1 way trainstation?

[reef basin]

it would be wise to not use roundabouts

[wintry carbon]

lol. it just make it looks great.

but want it to work too

[reef basin]

I wouldn't agree with that, roundabouts look so unrealistic

[wintry carbon]

not really with what i have in mind. its a damn huge building looking like a giant ufo.

the stations are just a tiny part of it.

providing all stuff.

[whole drum]

Gonna have to disagree about the aesthetic dislike for roundabouts, but agree that it's probably wise not to use them.

Maybe low volume trains could be okay, but if you're talking double digit stations, I would avoid

[unkempt blade]

at a certain amount of train traffic roundabouts can be a little tricky I'd just be worried about that since you're talking about 18 stations

[wintry carbon]

ques i make an second roundabout on the outside then 🤣

[white dawn]

Probably depends heavily on the exact cirucmstances of the traffic going in there. An 18-station roundabout does kind of sound likely to cause some congestion, though in the end all it is is increasing your round-trip times a bit

And you can always compensate for that with extra freight cars, etc

In the end, of course, build what you like! Might end up working swimmingly for ya. Roundabouts have been shown to be rather inefficient compared to "normal" intersections, in the past, but it's sort of a matter of degrees. You may be bumping your RTTs up, but so long as the train's got capacity for it, then that might not be a problem

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's hard to guess if/how bad it'll go not knowing the size of the roundabout or the train schedules but that's what I'd be keeping in mind as traffic increases over time at least

[wintry carbon]

we will c, i figure it out on the go.

[unkempt blade]

after my own issues with roundabouts I moved on to some whacky interchanges inspired by my time playing Skylines that take a bit more effort but get overcrowded a lot less frequently and only need block signals #screenshots message

[wintry carbon]

you could stil do that with multiple roundabouts 🙂

[feral jay]

Heh I learned how to make those kinds of interchanges playing OpenTTD

[earnest marsh]

can someone help me with y my pipes dont want to work i put a screenshot into the screenshot channel

[feral jay]

Why splits should always be before merges and other things

[feral jay]

The grey pipes or the red pipes? And on overhead shot is really needed to figure it out from a screenshot

[zealous valley]

Who has that infographic on how to set up aluminum production?

[feral jay]

Not sure what you mean but try setting up a production chain with https://satisfactorytools.com

[white dawn]

Do you mean this one? #math-and-meta message

[zealous valley]

Yep

[earnest marsh]

the gray ones

[feral jay]

yeah probably just not enough fluid getting there in the first place, but you really need an overhead shot of that, it's impossible to tell otherwise

[earnest marsh]

that cant really be bc all pipes behind there are full but if you want to i can stream it

[feral jay]

Or is 0.8 simply the pipe's capacity?

[earnest marsh]

no the capacity is a bit 0ver 2 or smt

[reef basin]

make a #1038092680493801533 thread, #screenshots is indeed not for questions

[earnest marsh]

kk thx

[feral jay]

That was my next suggestion

[feral jay]

That channel is much better for questions like this becuase the discussions are threaded, so your question won't be lost even if people take a few days to help you out

[earnest marsh]

yea made one

this was my first bigger questin so i dident know

[feral jay]

You're fired.

[earnest marsh]

ahhhhhh

[whole drum]

Like, out of a cannon

[rugged shard]

What does a " temp " purity means

[whole drum]

It's the rock on top of a node

[rugged shard]

Oh

Okay ty

[whole drum]

I think people call them "deposits" so as not to be confused with destructible rocks, actually

[reef basin]

it's multiple nodes of mixed purities near each other

afaik it has nothing to do with deposits

!wikisearch

[feral jay]

!wikisearch radar_tower

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=radar_tower

[feral jay]

This includes their purity; however, groups of nodes appear as single nodes having "temp" purity

I thought for some reason the wikisearch command was shortcoded

[queen slate]

!wikisearch cup

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cup

[queen slate]

😄

[dim spoke]

should i automate nobelisks

[reef basin]

will you use them regularly?

[queen slate]

Don’t think they that hard to automate so why not

[dim spoke]

no but who doesnt like boom

[whole drum]

I use them all the time, but you could automate like 5/m and be set for the rest of the game

[queen slate]

Wouldn’t hurt to have like

[dim spoke]

hmm

[feral jay]

Automate all the things, it's an automation game after all!

[dim spoke]

ill just actually make a self fed machine for that

[feral jay]

IT's been a while since I fully automated all the ammunitions actually but I'm working on that in this save

[whole drum]

I do recommend automating a small amount like that, because they are needed for cluster nobs, so having a storage box ready to go makes it very easy

[dim spoke]

cuz im running out of nodes and dont wanna make long conveyor belt train for that

[feral jay]

I mean unless you're just playing the game to beat it... but for me at least the fun of the game is just... automating everything

[whole drum]

That said, if you just DD the parts for it, and self-build, that works for quite awhile

[reef basin]

you don't need to do that, you can just build near the node instead

[feral jay]

Nuke nobs are super fun once you've automated them, you can blow up EVERYTHING

[whole drum]

Apparently the nuke nob from the calendar is worth 11 tickets on a fresh save if it's the first item you sink

[queen slate]

Wow

I saw hover packs were worth a decent amount

!wikisearch hoverpack

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=hoverpack

[whole drum]

Yeah, several equipment pieces are worth relatively decent amounts

[feral jay]

I sink quartz products early game for tickets, it's a great source

Or concrete very early game

[queen slate]

265K not bad tbh

[whole drum]

Smart Plating is relatively cheap to produce and worth a nice chunk as well

[last leaf]

on which website can i design my factory for energy like how many i want and the process for it

[queen slate]

Idk tbh

[feral jay]

Also uranium ore is great to sink, you just gotta survive the placement of a miner and sink, and then you leave it untouched for ever, just sitting there generating good numbers of tickets

[dim spoke]

Should i make ai limitters

[feral jay]

You should make all the things

[eager harbor]

Ai?

[oak nymph]

I started the adaptive control unit project it gonna be massive

[queen slate]

I remember just starting the game and mining a piece of uranium then wonder why I am taking a lot of dmg and try out heal it 😉

[feral jay]

Artificial Intelligence I assume, but the game doesn't actually tell you

[queen slate]

How far I have came 🙂

[dim spoke]

how much will i need AI limiters

[eager harbor]

[calm mango]

It makes smart splitters

[feral jay]

Been a while but I used a LOT of them in a nuclear buildout or two

[eager harbor]

I want to create a factory to produce phase 2 items and am overwhelmed tbh

[queen slate]

I usually try Make minimum 10 of any items or I see how much I can get with 1 nodes worth

[reef basin]

just put the fuel into any planner and you'll get the production for it

[dim spoke]

dang seems like i gotta expand my factory empire and start producing just everything 🤩

[patent crane]

what is the framework give command?

[reef basin]

wdym?

[patent crane]

i want to givemyself 500 frameworks in the console

[reef basin]

there's no commands to do that

[feral jay]

Yeah you need AI limiters for electromagnetic control rods, and you need those for all of the nuclear fuel rods

[patent crane]

versatile frameworks

[patent crane]

there is

[reef basin]

there is not

[patent crane]

then why is there a item give command?

[reef basin]

debug/testing?

we have AGS if you want to "cheat"

[whole drum]

I'm on a fresh save that can test this, and I know the perfect spot. (Started in Rocky, bet you can guess where I'm thinking.) 😄

[patent crane]

im trying to see whats in the game before i get it for my friend

[feral jay]

haha yep I have one there, been sinking ore forever

[reef basin]

yeah, we have AGS for that

[patent crane]

what is that exactly?

[whole drum]

It's not like I'd want to try to build from there, lol

[reef basin]

advanced game settings, basically a cheat menu

[timber dragon]

hi

[patent crane]

can it give me versatile frameworks item?

[feral jay]

There's a GiveItemsSingle console command but I can't get it to work, I assume they disabled it

[reef basin]

most commands are disabled in public builds

[reef basin]

it can give you anything

not sure why you specifically need that item though

[patent crane]

how do you get it?

[wispy osprey]

All of the overflows in #screenshots brought my points per minute up to 93k

[timber dragon]

does keepinventory to keep all disable my achievements

[reef basin]

idk, never used AGS myself. Wiki probably has article on it

[hard ivy]

it's not AGS, so no

[timber dragon]

okay

and one more thing

how do i get my death crate if its somewhere really near the void

[feral jay]

Go there and pick it up? I don't think I understand the question

[timber dragon]

yeah i cant

its in a place i cant go to

[hard ivy]

if you die before you can get to it, the only option is a save editor

[reef basin]

you can go to almost any place

[timber dragon]

no i slip and fall to the void so no

[feral jay]

If all else fails, you can save edit the contents back into your inventory

[reef basin]

build foundation underneath you?

[timber dragon]

holdon great idea

lemme try

[feral jay]

But yea thre's basically no place on the map that won't kill you, that you can't reach

[timber dragon]

idk maybe its just my skill issue

[feral jay]

One of the beauties of a handcrafted map by a professional level designer

[timber dragon]

damn , i didnt unlock foundations yet 🙏

[feral jay]

Unlock foundations, they change everything

[hard ivy]

then there's probably nothing worth recovering in that crate 😆

[feral jay]

haha fair point

[timber dragon]

hard drive 2 soomersloops or whatever theyre called and some more stuff

[feral jay]

I just... never die, I reload

Therefore, death crates are not a problem for me

[hard ivy]

I just... don't die
aside from respawning to get back to the HUB
and I've got keep inventory on so no death crates regardless

[timber dragon]

man yall are proffesionalls or sum

i suck at this

[feral jay]

Oh I die, I get into fights with spider armies or nuke hogs and nasties that kill me sometimes

[queen slate]

Ye f those spiders

[feral jay]

Nah, just been playing the game for years

[hard ivy]

1500h in the game tends to do that to a person

[timber dragon]

man i just got this game yo

[feral jay]

n00b

[timber dragon]

no way

[feral jay]

(that was a compliment, we love new players here)

[timber dragon]

ok was about to ragebait

[feral jay]

sry

[timber dragon]

i mean i did watch some satisfactory vidoes

mostly from the guy named lets game it out

[feral jay]

Oh yea I'm still looking for a Satisfactory youtuber or two that makes content aimed at ten year olds ish

[timber dragon]

i saw that

[reef basin]

that sounds like a horrible combination

[feral jay]

I got the game for my nephew, he's loving it and doing surprisingly well with it

[timber dragon]

why

[timber dragon]

oh

[reef basin]

well, don't you then want to educate him properly? 😛

[feral jay]

I do, just looking for something else while I'm not playing the game with him and fixing his shit lol

[mortal ginkgo]

what if your nephew thinks fluids irl work like in this game? such a terrible experience!

[timber dragon]

whats wrong with the fluids in this game? are they bad

[feral jay]

yea the fluid mechanics may be a bit beyond him at his age

[mortal ginkgo]

oh my sweet summer child

[green fiber]

They are too accurate in some ways and too unrealistic in others

[mortal ginkgo]

let him pipe it all up. he will be fine ❤️

[feral jay]

They are both frustratingly realistic, and frustratingly unrealistic, at the same time

[reef basin]

no, just people build them in weird ways and think it will work

[mortal ginkgo]

ah also there is this "fluids are fine l2p" crowd

I mean, we value them, they are a dying breed.

[feral jay]

The big issue being that people build pipes and try treating them like conveyors and that just... doesn't work

[timber dragon]

oh ._. yeah my base is kind of a mess but i still moslty craft maunally

[green fiber]

Honestly all of the issues with them can likely be fixed by the devs - if they go about it right.

[oak nymph]

Floydson made a satisfactory video

Pretty nice vid

[reef basin]

patch 1.2 - pipes were removed from the game, replaced with covered conveyors

[feral jay]

I keep arguing that even just giving pipes a small burst capacity would solve a lot of the frustrations

[green fiber]

What is that supposed to mean?

[placid stirrup]

Burst capacity?

[feral jay]

Like as in it's a 600/min pipe, but it can do 610 for a few seconds

[timber dragon]

thats bad?

[green fiber]

Ah. Actually no that might mess up stuff more.

Like you gotta calculate when the right time is for a pipe to flow at 610/min vs 600

[feral jay]

It would help with people not really getting that 600/min is an absolute maximum and that you can't use it as an average

[green fiber]

Given how pressure works in the game, this might not work out well after all

[reef basin]

so... it would teach them to use the improper systems? 😛

[feral jay]

True, it might not work at all, I don't know how it's coded under the hood

[green fiber]

The only real issue i personally found is the pressure math

[queen slate]

Or they should add m3 pipe ¯_(ツ)_/¯

If there isn’t one already

[green fiber]

Wont happen, they said the system cant handle it

[placid stirrup]

I don't think the game engine allows for it

[feral jay]

lol perhaps, but it could also eliminate a large swathe of new player questions

[reef basin]

that would just be the same issues, but more

[timber dragon]

also i really love the chainsaw in this game way better than manually chopping each tree in factorio (yes im also a new player in factorio)

[queen slate]

🙁 true I just want easier pipes

[feral jay]

Mk.3 pipes will never happen, the game can't handle it, there's just not enough accuracy

[green fiber]

And after modders tried - the pipe system really CANT handle flow rates faster than 600/min in its current state

[reef basin]

get a "all things are solid" mod

[hard ivy]

I'm sure the engine can handle a 1200/min pipe. just not with the way they've written pipes

[feral jay]

Or "all liquids are gases"

[placid stirrup]

Accepting the limitations and simply building a bit more infrastructure/robust design solves their issues

[queen slate]

Tbh I haven’t ran into many pipe problems because I try keep it simple

And then it becomes inefficient but idm

[timber dragon]

oh yeah thats what i wanted to ask why no mk3 pipes like i saw on youtube that they only had mk2 pipes and i was like "yo why only mk2 pipes you got mk5 belts why use mk2 pipes"

[whole drum]

Apparently that location is worth 1050p/m on a Mk2 belt

[green fiber]

Gasses experience the same issues at max flow

[whole drum]

But I forgot to shard it 🙁

[mortal ginkgo]

Do you guys know whats just annoying? People who says "thats how fluids work bro" as if this game is ultra realistic while that Jimmy has 120123918273 amount of fuel gens floating on a 1m foundation zone in the GOD DAMN SKY.

[feral jay]

Because due to the game's accuracy limitations (only accurate to six significant digits), liquid flow just can't be modelled accurately enough at that flow rate, you get rounding errors that pop up and emergent bugs show up

[reef basin]

that doesn't help much tbh

[feral jay]

Never used it

[whole drum]

Only removes headlift

[feral jay]

We had disappearing liquid for quite a while because of rounding errors due to accuracy limitations, that took quite a while to work out

[placid stirrup]

Please only shard yourself.

[hard ivy]

it also removes gravity from the flow equation. that does help a fair bit

[whole drum]

Ah, good point

[timber dragon]

well damn just thought that the pipes were good enough not that the game limitations

[feral jay]

For a while iirc they were considering just lowering the capacity of Mk.2 pipes instead of working out the bugs at 600/min, it was that involved

[placid stirrup]

Pepperidge Farms remembers when you had to assume a 3% loss on fluids

[whole drum]

Just make them 1200 instead 😈

[hard ivy]

I wonder what'd happen if you removed the cap on pipes

just let the flow equation do what it wants

[feral jay]

All fluids would break

[timber dragon]

how

i mean im no pro in programming but is it really that hard to make them faster?

[feral jay]

Again, the game's internals are simply not accurate enough to model flow rates at anything beyond 600/min. Rounding errors will pop up and fluids will "magically" start disappearing and appearing

[whole drum]

Alright, got shards. Now it's 2.5x that previous value.

[reef basin]

until they realised that the bugs are players building weird 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

too many calculations with each pipes. trust me, the system is (stupidly) complex as one guy showed in reddit a simulation of what pipes are doing.

[timber dragon]

how complex are we talking

[mortal ginkgo]

I was like "bro... thats just for one pipe of silly water.."

[feral jay]

The short answer is yes

[timber dragon]

THATS WHAT IM THINKING

[green fiber]

Right now we have a fun bug where when you load a save all the flow rate lags behind for a sec and that frequently makes nukes starve for some time

[mortal ginkgo]

yes I mean, imagine conveyorbelt that can go all directions, push around the other segments of belt depending on self + work pressure, which also causes sloshing as a force and then there is gravity, forced directions with valve/pumps and my mom too because why not.

[reef basin]

wasn't it due to fluid buffers in machines not saving correctly?

[green fiber]

Infinite flow that scales with pressure...... terribly frightening thought

Also im pretty sure machines have a limit on how much fluid per sec they can convert to fluid items

[timber dragon]

they can go any direction ??? the pipes?

[green fiber]

Yes

[mortal ginkgo]

fluids are multi directional so yes

[timber dragon]

hm

[green fiber]

Pipes dont have a normal direction - the fullness (pressure) affects which way they flow

[timber dragon]

well than why dont make them go in one direction and increase fluid flow

[mortal ginkgo]

the fact that smallest pipe segment is 5/m2 is also silly fayt me irl cmon bros

[feral jay]

For example, I have some iron plate constructors making 40 plates/min, which is a 66.6667% clock rate. That's .0001% more iron plates than I need, about ten plates a year. It's impossible for them to make exactly 40 plates/min because the game cannot reprent ⅔ precisely. That's not a big deal, but scale that up by an order of magnitude for liquid flows. Those rounding errors add up and break things.

[green fiber]

Thats just belts again

And we dont need "belts but again"

[timber dragon]

but they fluid

[green fiber]

Have you ever decoupled the camera and stood next to one of the pipes?

[mortal ginkgo]

because that would make sense and would be so similar to belts.

I mean look at all 90% of the reddit posts having issues with pipes.

LOOK HOW MUCH FUN THEY ARE HAVING BECAUSE PIPES DONT ACT LIKE BELTS

Can you feel the fun in the air?! CAN YOU?!

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[placid stirrup]

Become an engineer and deal with that stuff IRL if you really want to

[timber dragon]

thank god i dont have pipes yet if theyre that bad

[mortal ginkgo]

What if I say yes? Would you believe me in these trying times brotherman?

[feral jay]

They aren't it's just a steep learning curve is all

Once you get them, you get them

[mortal ginkgo]

They aren't dont worry. Just using them 100% efficiency (mk2 ones) is meh.

You figure it out once and you yolo, you just won't think it was fun because game doesn't let you.

[green fiber]

Pipes are around 2 m wide, so assuming they were paper thin, you would get 3.14m3 of volume per meter of length

[feral jay]

Honestly the game could use a better skill check for liquid flows and recirculation somehow, I just have no idea how that could work, and it would change too much to introduce that now

Or even just a better in-game tutorial

[mortal ginkgo]

Please try not to add "realisc design and proportions" to arguement when all I need is one iron plate to make a belt where rubber is nowhere to be seen or the screws.

[green fiber]

I solved the aluminum skill check in one of my mods by making it always make more water and you just have to dump the water elsewhere

[mortal ginkgo]

This is not irl. We are not doing irl stuff. I am not a factory guy irl.

Impure Limestone Node is all I am.

[feral jay]

Neither am I,l I'm a computer network guy. But the problems are very similar.

[green fiber]

Sorry but in terms of realism and implementation the devs for some reason wanted to be REALLY accurate with pipes while taking game-dev freedom with other elements of it

[mortal ginkgo]

This proves my unprovable fact that I stated days ago: Pipe System is outsourced.

I will not die on this hill but I am ok with a few broken bones yes.

[feral jay]

Not "outsourced" I think, but they certainly used a pre-existing fluid dynamics library/simulator

[green fiber]

I don't think so

If not seen something like this anywhere, ever

[feral jay]

Not in a video game, at least...

[mortal ginkgo]

Same here, I dont think Unreal Marketplace ever had such a thing and still dont have to this day. I am using Unreal 4 from the time it arrived. I even used Unreal 3 prior.

If it was outsourced, sloshing would need to be stabilized.

[green fiber]

Sloshing is a solvable problem

[mortal ginkgo]

A reddid mod invented this type of sloshing. Again I can't prove it but I can feel it.

[green fiber]

I took a dive into that topic

[feral jay]

Sloshing is not a problem, it's a property innate to all liquids

[mortal ginkgo]

which caused more sloshing? 😄

[feral jay]

The only real issue with sloshing IMO is that it's not easily visible to the player

[mortal ginkgo]

Show me a video irl where 2 tanks connected to a pipe would constantly slosh instead of balance each other.

[scenic mirage]

speaking of, what are signs of sloshing?

[green fiber]

Sloshing is either a result of a misinterpretation of bernoullis equation on their end or just a flawed application

[mortal ginkgo]

fluctiating flow rate

[feral jay]

heh, fair point

[scenic mirage]

yeah bro and the quadratic roots are imaginary

[green fiber]

When your mk 2 suddenly gets crippled and doesnt move 600/min thats when you can cry "sloshing"

And are accurate 60% of the time

[mortal ginkgo]

Again, Factorio devs saw that "its just useless problem" to pipes and made them ultra simple while advancing everything else via DLC.

Nobody cried tears when fluids got uber simplified. They just went on going to space.

0.5% elitist "umm actually its your pipe system bro l2p" people who thinks fluid systems will be sad if Satisfactory gets the same threatment.

[timber dragon]

i got my stuff back finally

[green fiber]

Honestly, all you need is a closed pipe system where you add some fluid and then disconnect everything so its closed

The fluid endlessly moves around

And thats sloshing basically.
It should come to rest

But it doesnt

[mortal ginkgo]

Exactly, there is no "resting" ever. This is just simply missing.

[timber dragon]

i have my power slugs back so now power slug coaster i like how they look

[feral jay]

I can agree with that

[green fiber]

Same test: fill a buffer and connect it to an emoty buffer

Endless fluid movement between both buffers

[hard ivy]

give them the factorio 2.0 treatment

[mortal ginkgo]

When we fill up everything and kickstart the system, the Sloshing becomes an insane calculation that as if the entire earth is shaking. This is not how it should be.

This happens with mk2 pipes .

I already got irl problems that shake my entire being, I dont need them in this game!

[green fiber]

Honestly i wanna see them simply fix them in their current implementation.

If this issue got resolved and some other bugs fixed too then i think this system would be really interesting.

[feral jay]

sloshing you mean?

[green fiber]

Thats what we have been talking about this entire time so yes

[mortal ginkgo]

I will be honest with you. I am more interested in why they think Fluid Trucks were needed and what is that "gameplay" that makes them needed.

[feral jay]

In theory it should be simple. If pressure is equal between two segments, there should be no flow. It's as if there's just no check for that somehow.

I suppose it also doesn't help that pressure is a hidden mechanic

[green fiber]

If i had to explain how flow math works:

Imagine a moving object. Maybe a cart on wheels. It has a velocity and that velocity doent change unless outside forces affect it.

What outside forces do we have? Potential energy (gravity) and maybe friction with the floor.

Now for some reason there is also a term for kinetic energy. Kinetic energy comes from the velocity.

And for some reason the kinetic energy keeps growing because someone used the wrong numbers.

[timber dragon]

man this convo is too smart for me

[feral jay]

nah it's just a bunch of veterans discussing the finer points of the game

[mortal ginkgo]

No, its too complex for its own good. Its just pipe. Pipe moves fluid. Its meant to be that way.

[timber dragon]

damn

[placid stirrup]

Common McGalleon response

[timber dragon]

ok

[mortal ginkgo]

Also keep in mind that, we are mostly talking about huge setups constantly needing water etc. You dont even need proper piping to finish the game. We are like late game big dogs.

[timber dragon]

yall smart ong

[placid stirrup]

54 Mk2 pipes for nuclear have entered the chat

[mortal ginkgo]

you wouldnt say it for the first time I played a factory game.

ı got some terrible "bro u sure u gud?" moment in Dyson Sphere Program, and this game too sometimes.

[mortal ginkgo]

enters C A S U A L L Y

[feral jay]

Well this conversation has motivated me to install @green fiber 's pipe tuner mod

[green fiber]

Be my guest. Any feedback welcome

[placid stirrup]

I just downloaded their brain from the neural network

[feral jay]

I don't think I want to actually tune the pipes, more just hopefully get a better view at the mechincs the game doesn't make visible to me

[green fiber]

"Hydrostatic" preset is what you need to use with that mod

It tunes them for you, thats why it has presets

But yeah you can just see the variables and what they do kinda. The mod page itself has more info

Plus i made a QA post on this

That also has details

[feral jay]

As long as I can set "vanilla mode" or whatever, so my game won't get wonky if I load without the mod

[green fiber]

Yes you can

It starts on "vanilla" and you have to change preset in the mod savegame settings

[feral jay]

Ah yes there it is

[hard ivy]

pretty sure it also resets back to vanilla when you remove the mod

[green fiber]

Yep

[timber dragon]

wait there are mods?

[green fiber]

Yuh

[feral jay]

Yeah, but that can break things if you've built systems that depend on altered settings. All my mods are "vanilla friendly" so I can load without mods if I want to or need to

[undone falcon]

There’s only mods on pc not console version

[timber dragon]

i love the power slugs

[green fiber]

The mod is mostly vanilla friendly id say. If it works with tuner but not in vanilla then you encounter slosh essentially

Something the mod is kinda made to counteract

[opaque wren]

New player here: What do I do with "FICMAS Gifts"? Google says it should be MAN research but the research seems to be unavaialble.

[green fiber]

Check the HUB

[placid stirrup]

They're beautiful, are you aware of the shard maxing method?

[green fiber]

It has a calendar next to the terminal

[timber dragon]

shard maxing???

[feral jay]

!wikisearch ficsmas

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=ficsmas

[feral jay]

Lots of good info there

[placid stirrup]

You can sloop a constructor making shards out of slugs to output double the amount

[timber dragon]

hell nah im not sacrificing my slugs

[placid stirrup]

(possibly more late game than you are but it doesn't hurt to know about)

[placid stirrup]

We'll see how long that lasts

[feral jay]

nah by late game you'll have synthetic shards

[timber dragon]

NO IM NOT GONNA HURT THEM'

[placid stirrup]

I'm aware

[feral jay]

Massage, and everything in it, exists for me to exploit, alive or dead.

[timber dragon]

evil

[feral jay]

I want to be able to dump polluted water into the ocean

[timber dragon]

me too yo

[feral jay]

For funsies

[opaque wren]

But the wiki says the same thing. " Progression through the event is made using a MAM research chain," - which is not available in game.

[feral jay]

Yes it is, you must be missing something

[placid stirrup]

When does the event end?

[hard ivy]

it is. you just need to open the 1st window in the calendar first

[feral jay]

18th I think?

[hard ivy]

in 2 weeks-ish

it's somewhere in #announcements or #patch-notes

[fierce granite]

#patch-notes message 18th

[feral jay]

link?

[whole drum]

You need to use the advent calendar in your HUB to get the first disk to start MAM research on the event

[green fiber]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/68b22be2dbe2e46a549b0664

[whole drum]

Bro, whenever I see your name I think of "Gallon's Shop" from PSO1

It was a key quest for some endgame items

[scenic mirage]

can i split a pipe using valves? like itll have 240 going through it and i wanna split it to 120/120

[hard ivy]

just split it normally and it'll figure itself out

[whole drum]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf
Read page 10 to see why you probably don't want to use valves

[slender bear]

does anyone happen to know offhand what the map-size is?

[feral jay]

Yes and no. The value you see in the valve is an approximation. It's ostensibly a range of 0-600 (for Mk.2 pipes), but there's only 256 possible values because the pipe setting is an 8 bit integer.

[hard ivy]

8x6 km ish

[slender bear]

Should I run a train 1.4 km?

Or would a truck be sufficient?

[scenic mirage]

just run a conveyor?

[slender bear]

...no?

[feral jay]

1400M I'd just use a conveyor probably

[scenic mirage]

meh actually it works better just to keep it this way. each pipe feeds 5 refineries perfectly

[feral jay]

Avoid valves if at all possible, they cause more problems than they solve

[scenic mirage]

yeah im just reworking my alum bc it keeps going down when i go away from the factory

[slender bear]

I just want to get copper from the northwest desert to the islands to the south so I can make computers there.

And I've been agonizing over how to move this resource for far longer than is healthy

[scenic mirage]

i was tryna recycle the water but imma just use pure iron and sink it

[feral jay]

I recently built a conveyor for that

Decided against trains

[slender bear]

At what distance does a train begin to make sense?

[bleak kindle]

I use valves. Probably why I spend 2 hours troubleshooting every factory with a refinery involved when its done 🙄

[feral jay]

There's no quick answer for that really, it depends on a lot of things

[hard ivy]

1-2 km I'd say. but only if there's a lot of items to transport

[hard ivy]

use some prioritisation method and it'll work

trying to do it with valves generally doesn't work

[feral jay]

LOL ironically enough, VOP junctions are the one place I do use valves regularly

[whole drum]

If it's for Alum, pure copper is great since you use it for alum products anyway

[scenic mirage]

i dont use any valves

[scenic mirage]

i dont have any copper nearby, i have a ton of iron nodes im not gonna use so 🤷‍♂️

[green fiber]

Outdated info

Valves are 100% accurate with their limit

[hard ivy]

the display isn't but the limit is

[green fiber]

What DOES only have 256 values are the flow indicators

[feral jay]

orly? I was recently playing with some valves and setting it to say 240/min would result in a measured flow at the valve of like 240.6

[green fiber]

Thats a display inaccuracy

[feral jay]

ahhh

[green fiber]

Even if the pipe after says 241

Its 240. The pipes themselves cant display flow this accuratey but they do transport it accurately

[feral jay]

The display is an 8 bit integer but the limit is more accurate

[green fiber]

Yes

[feral jay]

TIL, thanks

[green fiber]

Same for Mk 2.
Thats why buffers can also sometimes say "Inflow: 602/min"

Its the display that does a rolling average and does some rounding

[hard ivy]

pretty sure the limit has 3001 allowed values for mk1 and 6001 for mk2

[green fiber]

Or just.... any float that fits

[hard ivy]

it cuts off decimals after the 1st so not really

[green fiber]

It might be float but once again displays it differently.
wouldnt make sense to make a specific number type for this when pipe flow is also a float

Its just per second and they multiply it by 60 for display reasons elsewhere

[hard ivy]

everything production related should be a custom data type tbh

they aren't using the full range of float

and everything is a rational number

only convert to float for display

[dusky hedge]

if you made a vertical loop with a pump hwow fast would it flow?

like a standing o

[waxen locust]

honestly. its really suprising to me that theres no blueprint menu button

we've had blueprints for like? 2 years? proberbally more. and no button XD

[hard ivy]

you can bind them to your hotbar

[waxen locust]

you can also do that with the colour swatches, and materials. but that still has a menu button XD

[feral jay]

And the Z key is unused... just sayin...

[whole drum]

The menu button is on the bp designer

[waxen locust]

i mean, like a hotkey. with the customizer

[feral jay]

Z would be perfect for blueprints, right next to X for the customizer

[waxen locust]

you have Q for the building menu. X for the customizer, and as striek just said. COULD have Z as the blueprints XD

granted, I did rebind my Z key to my ping button XD but that doesnt matter

[feral jay]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/63747d84ca608e0803524d47 upvote

[hardy vector]

https://ficsit.app/mod/KeyBindForBlueprint

[spare cradle]

Heavy oil residue?

[hardy vector]

yes

[clear tartan]

it would make more sense for me to make a seperate factory for petrolium coke wouldnt it

[charred sandal]

How do I unlock the event tree in mam?

[golden nexus]

advent calendar in hub

also get gifts

[autumn sapphire]

Merhabalar. Oyunu oynayacak arkadaş varsa özelden yazabilir mi

[hardy vector]

english server only, see #rules

[autumn sapphire]

Sorry bro ♥

[hardy vector]

don't call random people bro -.-

[wintry carbon]

Electromagnetic Control Rod
Encased Plutonium Cell
Encased Uranium Cell
Ficsonium
Ficsonium Fuel Rod
Non-Fissile Uranium
Plutonium Pellet
are those radioactive when stored ?

[golden nexus]

no, yes, yes, yes, not sure, probably, yes, yes

[clear tartan]

does petroleom coal even have a proper use?

[golden nexus]

multiple

[clear tartan]

ones in the coal power plant isnt it

[fast ruin]

Phase 4 finally finished, my base is a mess tho

[bleak kindle]

I would be surprised if it wasn't. Mine always looked good til i needed to unlock tiers. Then its temporary spaghettie

[thorny magnet]

can someone look at this junction and tell me what is wrong

oh nvm i cant send images on ts

[slate python]

Anyone have a good idea for an early game factory, and when should I start making factories

[fast ruin]

i struggle with getting parts from one factory to another and properly splitting it without making a spaghetti

also i'm getting alternate recipes which is gonna change a lot of stuff

[golden nexus]

So there is a lot of options in alts.

1. Burn it in coal gens
2. Sink it in bulk
3. Coke Steel ingot / alt
4. Temperater Caterium ingot
5. Temperater Copper Ingot
6. Make Circuit boards
7. Make Turbo fuel with it in blender
8. Make diamonds with it in Particle accel.
9. Make Aluminium scrap
10. Combination of the above 🙂

You have "options"

[bleak kindle]

alternate recipes are awesome but will also make your builds more complicated. BUT it is worth it

[thorny magnet]

sometimes not

[timber dragon]

is there a way i can get the ratios right in early game cuz like i cant underclock the machines yet

[bleak kindle]

true true. but I have everyone unlocked so every factory uses 90% alternates....gets goofy lol

[golden nexus]

You mean pre logestics?

[golden nexus]

11. You can also run tractor, trucks, explorer on it

[fast ruin]

right now i'm remaking my plastic/rubber factory but i'm already hit by the oil well not aligning with the world grid

[timber dragon]

no i just want it to be perfect or is that not possible without under/overclocking?

[golden nexus]

Depends how early. Rotor i think is the first thing that needs mk2 belts.

[loud lantern]

you could always find the lowest common demoninator

[fast ruin]

#screenshots message
Why???

[thorny magnet]

if ur tracks are too close would that stop a block signal from working?

[timber dragon]

yeah im automating smart plating rn and ther is alot of overflow of materials

so wasting power

[clear tartan]

ok

[golden nexus]

there should not be much waste, you doing something wrong

[timber dragon]

i mean

it works

[golden nexus]

So smart plate is simple its a 1:1 ratios of rip and rotor. So no waste. No belt speed issues etc...

The belt speed issues are all around rotor / rip.

[timber dragon]

maybe i just overbuilt ._.

[scenic mirage]

nothing wrong w overbuilding imo

[golden nexus]

Throw screenshots of the whole thing in #1038092680493801533

[timber dragon]

nah dont really need help just wanted to know if i can make perfect ratios before over/underclocking so its fine yo

[golden nexus]

The answer is yes, if you have mk2 belts

[timber dragon]

im still on mk1 but im getting there

[golden nexus]

rotor being the only one that needs it

[timber dragon]

also in which phase does coal power unlock?

[golden nexus]

and it need it because it wants 100/min screw

[loud lantern]

screws pain

[loud lantern]

the one ur about to get to

[timber dragon]

ight thanks

[loud lantern]

you need the 50 smart plates right?

pretty much right after

[timber dragon]

yeah i got them

aight thanks ill upgrade them belts to mk2

[golden nexus]

Theres a trick you need to figure out with the screws

[timber dragon]

well yes since mk1 belts only do 60 items per minute (i think maybe it was 50 idk) and it wants 100 screws a min

[golden nexus]

mk1 - 60/min

[versed cosmos]

60/min for mk1

mk2 doubles that

[timber dragon]

so ill just upgrade my screw factory

[versed cosmos]

early rotors suuuck

[golden nexus]

Now.. you can make a perfect smart plate ratio but you need to be making like 20/min rip and rotor 😛

[loud lantern]

isnt it 40?

[golden nexus]

Cause rip/5/min and rotor is 4/min. So 4 * 5 = 20

[loud lantern]

yea but what about the screws

to make 20 rotors per minute you need 18.5 constructers on screws

[golden nexus]

huh?

so?

[loud lantern]

thats not even

[timber dragon]

might be able to do that

[loud lantern]

youd need 40

[fast ruin]

if i delete a train station that my trains are supposed to use but i relink to network, will they just go along and remove it from their planning or will they just stop working?

[bleak kindle]

you have to add the station back to their route

[loud lantern]

i think it just removes it from the time tables

[timber dragon]

yeah and one constructor makes 40 screws per min

[loud lantern]

so yea obviously a nightmare

[golden nexus]

Yeah fair enough, its 40

atleast you get it done quick

[loud lantern]

yea have fun dealing with 1480 screws in early game lol

[spare cradle]

Train. Its logistics are brain bursting.

[timber dragon]

train is cool

[golden nexus]

screws are not thta bad so lond as you consume where produced

[timber dragon]

i mean i dont mind making my pc do overtime at night

[golden nexus]

Problems start when people approach it as "make a screw factory" and "make a plate factor" and then try to combine them

[timber dragon]

aight ill try

[golden nexus]

eg i do this #1456471144227147960 message

Or this, Which moves the belt limit from screws to ingots #screenshots message

[timber dragon]

well when i get coal power im gonna rebuild my whole factory anyways so yeah

since im building on the ground no foundations

talking about foundations

i need to automate my concreate im manually crafting it still

[golden nexus]

Theres a trick here as well for concrete which is 30/min with mk1 belts and you use a normal + impure node together. This is a hint for it #screenshots message

[timber dragon]

ok mk2 belts unlocked

[golden nexus]

now you can make concrete at 90/min 😛

[timber dragon]

DAMN

also how do i put new belts to the hotbar thingy

[golden nexus]

in build item selector, press number

[white dawn]

Same way you put anything else on the hotbar (using what Mistralol said)

[golden nexus]

hover over the belt you want....

[white dawn]

Though remember that if you have one type of belt selected to build, you can hold down <some key that I've forgotten> to bring up a selection wheel which will give you all of your belt tier options right there

[golden nexus]

Early game cheats for rplate almost always involve getting cast screws

[timber dragon]

ok thanks i got it

[white dawn]

"Cheats?"

[golden nexus]

tricks

[white dawn]

Tricks as in... alt recipes?

[golden nexus]

techniques 😉

[timber dragon]

oh yeah thanks for reminding me i found 2 hard drives and no mam built

[white dawn]

Sorry, totally not understanding what you're saying. It's... all just building factories, yeah?

Start with ores, end with products (although one may have planned it the other way around)

There's no tricks/cheats/whatever; no matter how you do it, you end up with RIPs

Early game or otherwise

(I agree that many folks find Cast Screws a very lucrative recipe in the early game, though)

[golden nexus]

yeah, not cheating, but you know taking an off the shelf provien method of making it work.

[hard stump]

Anyone have good coordinates they recommend for first nuclear power plant?

[fossil rover]

Question (Might be dumb): I have seen some videos of people completing the game and then there came the credits. Will i still be able to continue playing on the save?

[hardy vector]

yes

[glass pagoda]

Hiii

[fossil rover]

Great, thanks a lot!

[white dawn]

Many folks will recommend the Swamp; there's nearly everything you need there, in decent quantities.

[golden nexus]

Playing with an idea... which involves this. Which is a 3 floor rplate design which works with mk2 belts. #screenshots message

Its missing hte screw constructors but you can see you put them on the sides to feed the assemblers

[white dawn]

The real answer is just "anywhere near water" though

[visual cosmos]

Im starting to think im crazy
I randomly wanted to try game with full graphics settings in 4k, built in fps counter says 20-30fps while the game is running very smooth

[vapid venture]

would anyone here be wanting to hop in a call and help me with satisfactory for a bit? :3

[visual cosmos]

This feels weird

[white dawn]

#1201555265942724758

[visual cosmos]

[vapid venture]

oh thx

[stoic nebula]

pokes someone

[visual cosmos]

[timber dragon]

unpokes myself

[stoic nebula]

repokes

[timber dragon]

yk

maybe its time to take a break

its been 4 hours playing non stop

[digital holly]

Can someone help me with : Our main powergrid has a total of 18 GW capacity, 7 GW is still available for usage, i have found a harddrive crash site which needs 150 MW (equivalant to 6 Biomass burners, When i hook the harddrive crash site to our powergrid its door is still locked?

[timber dragon]

why not just build 6 biomass burners

[gleaming hazel]

I just got this game and trying to play with a friend and steam doesnt allow us to straight invite eachother, how do we play tg?

[digital holly]

I have tried that to, doesn;t work either

[fast ruin]

150mw is 2 mass burnur at cull overclock

[versed cosmos]

build an extra one

[fast ruin]

are you sure your power line is properly connected?

or did it crash cause no fuel or something like that

[golden nexus]

multiplayer?

[timber dragon]

well

im gonna get off now cya

[digital holly]

Yes, multiplayer

[golden nexus]

Connect power, open window, close window, open window, now it works.....

[digital holly]

That is indeed what i just found out 😄

[golden nexus]

Take a refresh cycle for the client to realise there is power on the drop pod

[digital holly]

After some waiting time , the door unlocks

[golden nexus]

Its a bug, all drop pod which need power have that problem in multiplayer

[digital holly]

Thanx for assisting tough

[spare cradle]

I've alr ran 5km of rails

[lapis shadow]

Is the decision of using vehicles such as trains/trucks vs belt highways for long distance transport just preference? I thought once you unlocked trains it was just a no brainer to use them but now I've seen people talk bout how they prefer belt highways. So is it just a preference or are belt highways kinda just for stubborn people?

Idk how to use trains yet so idk what the pros and cons of trains vs belt highways are

[fading whale]

You can do whatever you want. There is not right or wrong.

[cosmic stream]

Yo guys how do i rotate the hypertube branch to have the side out to be to the right

[fading whale]

Trains is just another challeng if you want it.
Personally I like things that go choo. So I use trains.

[dry cradle]

“Choo choo, motherfucker”
-ADA

[sullen gull]

Mousewheel?

[dry sage]

Maybe it's me; but I've been trying to get conveyors to be normal on ramps but can't get them to be that way. Suggestions?

[cosmic stream]

That makes either to go ti the left or it makes the side output to go the other way and again left

[lapis shadow]

I appreciate this sentiment because people often worry too much about optimization but I just to make sure that whatever I decide won't be a huge handicap without knowing it. So are they relatively equal in their effectiveness? Is it really just preference?

[dry cradle]

Belts are easier to set up
Trains carry more I think (depending on the length)

Idrk I haven’t messed with trains too much either

[fading whale]

Not super easy. But can be done somewhat.
Make a belt as long as you can, on a ramp. This should give a bvelt that is "only" bent wrong at the ends.
Then attach a merger or splitter on the belt close to each end. This will place the merger at the same angle as the belt. Delete the end piece of the belts. And delete the mergers. Then you have an angled belt with open ends.
Makes sense?

[cosmic stream]

#screenshots message

[strong fiber]

Can someone wiki fabric for me

Ion know how to do it

[fading whale]

!wikisearch fabric

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fabric

[strong fiber]

thx

[cosmic stream]

Can someone help

[dry cradle]

Move the connection that’s already there up a little then make another ig

[sullen gull]

Like so?

[fierce granite]

click once then scroll wheel

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[strong fiber]

I need polyester fabric so i can make gas masks

So i can work on my nuclear plant

[fading whale]

@sullen gull Stop wasting time here. You have more UObjects to make! 😄

[dry cradle]

@cosmic stream I think you need to hold Control or Shift while using the scroll wheel

[sullen gull]

Nah, just click once and scroll.

[dry cradle]

Huh ok

[reef basin]

go to wiki, search fabric in wiki

[sullen gull]

Basically, uses scroll wheel before click to set it's direction, click, then scroll wheel again to rotate around the hypertube. Same like pumps.

[strong fiber]

When kbm support coming to satisfactory console

[strong fiber]

To much work rather do it in discord

[fading whale]

Control scroll is to rotate foundations and the like.

[grim estuary]

What can you do with radioactive waste

[dim spoke]

wait can i upload 200 of every item into the dimensional depot thingy

[sullen gull]

Word is its being worked on.

[reef basin]

usually better to ask in #1038092680493801533 , rather than spreading the conversation over two channels

[grim estuary]

Is it fine if you just put it in a storage container and call it good?

[fading whale]

Yup 🙂
Up to 5 stacks of each when fully upgraded.

[reef basin]

it's more work here and more spam here 🤷

[strong fiber]

Recycle it into plutonium fuel rods which can be put into the sink or burned to produce plutonium waste

[dim spoke]

DANG so all my work for a centralized storage is useless 😓

[sullen gull]

Or used as drone fuel

[dry cradle]

Pretty sure

[strong fiber]

But more convenient and is it really that big of a deal?

[reef basin]

if everyone used it to search on wiki, this channel would be unreadable

[dry sage]

Thanks. Will try that!

[sullen gull]

I believe level one of the mercer rearch allows for an initial 1 stack of an item

[dry cradle]

Is a stack 500 of an item

[strong fiber]

Well everyone is not because maybe for some people they would rather go on the wiki themselves but you dont have to make a big deal about it

[dim spoke]

do i wanna have many of the machines

[sullen gull]

Not everything stacks to 500

[fading whale]

to be precise, the amout depends on the stacksize.
Max is 5 stacks. One stack of concrete is 500. So you can store 2.500
Heavy Frames are 50 pr. stak. So you can store 250.

[dim spoke]

so a storage is still useful

[sullen gull]

The DD, yes, very

[dry cradle]

Especially if you need that item later

[reef basin]

it was just a suggestion that instead of asking other people to run the bot for you, you may search the wiki yourself. It's less typing than what you had to do to ask

[cosmic stream]

Ohhhhh

[dim spoke]

how do i wanna use the dimensional depot

[strong fiber]

I figured it out now i just needed someone to type it out so i can see the command bro chill out

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message If you didn't catch it

[reef basin]

I'm chill? I'm just suggesting that it's faster to use the website directly

[strong fiber]

Alright bro😭

[reef basin]

generally just upload anything you may want to have (so basically anything you use for building or exploration, also consumables etc.)

[dim spoke]

Yeps

[dry cradle]

You can click on the wiki thing in a message and it’ll take you to the site

[dim spoke]

so its just like a secondary inv