satisfactory

[dense violet]

what's the actual issue goign on here ? I can't tell what peopel are arguing about

[whole drum]

Max Flow 600, Max Prod 300... idk wtf to tell ya

600 exceeds 300

[sullen gull]

🤦‍♂️

You have two extractors, both pushing at 300, going into a single mk2, which has a max of 600.... And now the extractors buffers are full .... and you happen to have 600pm coming out of the extractor, how much do you think that single mk2 is pushing now?

[whole drum]

I'm not even talking about extra extractors

I'm saying that this small thing is subtle and creates room for newer players to get hung up unnecessarily

It has way more potential to create issues than it does to solve problems

[sullen gull]

You keep saying that, I still don't understand what "issues" you are referring to...

[whole drum]

I've outlined it. Reread them or something.

[fluid crow]

oh the fancy pipe is 600 I get it now. Buffer makes some sense at least even if it's not realistic

[dense violet]

I'm not sure who told you want about buffers but in general just don't use them unless it's for trains.

[whole drum]

I even posed hypotheticals that were met with a mere "no?" (essentially) but no counterpoint that addresses my point.

[sullen gull]

@dense violet You're missing most of the convo. We are talking about the internal buffer of an extractor.

[fluid crow]

me too

[whole drum]

As it relates to the max flow of an extractor (600) compared to its max, OC'd production (300)

[dense violet]

Honestly I've unflipped a ton of msgs and I still don't understand what is going on. Not enough brain atm

[fluid crow]

I agree and people still tell me I 'm wrong

[whole drum]

Link him the video test you showed earlier. I think that will give more context.

[sullen gull]

It doesn't matter. he has me blocked.

[dense violet]

my amount of caring got used up sorry tbh

[sullen gull]

And I just don't care that much.

[whole drum]

Eh, he does that. Don't take it personal.

[dense violet]

I mean I unblocked you and I seem to be just getting hot takes again? but not 100% sure about that

like is this a hot take? idk.

[sullen gull]

I don't. Not in the slightest lol.

[dense violet]

but also.... too hot'

[whole drum]

It's not a hot take. I'm describing an issue with extractors, and why it's a problem for newer players in particular--or piping more broadly.

[sullen gull]

I didn't say anything of the sort mate. No negativity until you made it so. Was just saying you had me blocked and a slilght correction of what we were talking about.

[dense violet]

yeah I said I'm not sure if it is or not, too hot to think over here.

[whole drum]

I mean, I don't know how you watch that video and not see the potential it has to confuse people.

[sullen gull]

Anywho, the discussion is "Why the Water extractor has a Max flow rate of 600pm but can only produce a max of 300

[sullen gull]

Because the max flow rate is not the "production rate" 🤷‍♂️

[whole drum]

I know that. That isn't the issue. The problem is that it can have the appearance of production rate temporarily, leading people to false positive beliefs that their system is working correctly.

[fluid crow]

nvm I see the buffer is 200 now

[hybrid nymph]

max flow rate is 300^3 for mk1 pipes and 600^3 for mk2

[fluid crow]

ok all checks out!

[whole drum]

Especially if they aren't looking at the extractors that closely and are just building things, watching the pipes themselves to see if it's "working."

[sullen gull]

I mean, The "production" part of it is more prominent, and in the same spot on every other machine. And, tbf, this is the first time I've ever seen mention of this quirk in being here a litte over a year 😛

[whole drum]

It's very subtle. People probably don't realize what's happening.

[sullen gull]

But, to me it makes sense as to the why honestly.

[whole drum]

Yeah, and on a logical level, it does to me too. If this was constructors and belts, it's basically like having a belt that can support more throughput than the machine produces, so it chews up the reserve as well. That's fine. It's just that it's done kind of in a reverse way with the extractors, so it's a lot less obvious.

And liquids are finnicky as hell as it is

[sullen gull]

The second the internal buffer starts draining, it's allowing the extractor to "spin up", so that by the time the buffer is clear, the extractor is already going and pushing it's max production rate and doesn't effect anything down stream

[fluid crow]

so does power storage help with the spike when you plug in a lot a once I assume?

[whole drum]

But until that buffer is drained, the throughput exceeds the actual production, and this can generate that false positive I was talking about.

[whole drum]

It only cares if you have enough production. Storage is an unreliable safety net, because it might make it so you don't realize you need more power if you don't explicitly check on it (as you should).

The connection itself doesn't spike any higher than the added consumption itself

[sullen gull]

Again, that is moot imo because the manifold/loop would/should be plummed accordinly. If anything, I can only see this helping on initial startup anyhow. Until things "balance out". And, if you're using a "priority junction" in a recycling setup, it doesn't matter anyhow because the main loop is only going to pull what it needs.

[fluid crow]

why do I have to turn sections on at a time to not blow the breaker

[whole drum]

Because you need more power

[dense violet]

not enough power

[sullen gull]

What's your production vs consumtion?

[whole drum]

The best use case for power storage is to even out the production rate from Geothermals

[fluid crow]

production 375 max consumption 266

[dense violet]

you generally want to start yoru power systme back up not hooked up to the factory

[fluid crow]

so power storage won't make it so I can turn on more at once?

[spare cradle]

I almost have the ring of foundations completed

[whole drum]

It might, but it means your drain exceeds your output, so when the batteries empty, black out

[spare cradle]

But am running out of concrete

[sullen gull]

All machines have a bit of a "ramp-up" time. What's happeneing is that because your production and consumption are so close, There isn't enough power that's "ready" for what needs it. So, like cobalt said, disconnect a wire that connects the machines, start up the power, then reconnect.

[whole drum]

Especially if you built your power via manifold, as most do

[sullen gull]

If not prefilling, totally.

[fluid crow]

I'm just talking about turning it on my production is quite a bit higher than my demand right now

[whole drum]

If you have 15 production, 12 consumption, and you add 2 more consumption, it won't "spike" past that 15, so you'll be fine. If you're trying to add 5 while having batteries, you'll be at -2 until the batteries empty, then you're cooked.

But that -2 is "net" and you have to actually analyze your power graph to see it

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message
finally done...

[fluid crow]

I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with my question

[whole drum]

If turning on production interferes with power, you need more power. That's all.

[fluid crow]

brah

that's max

[spare cradle]

Better than something I can make rn

[jagged nymph]

its the first thing ive made that isnt just a floating layer of foundations, or a cube lmao

[sullen gull]

Are you on biomass still? Or is this coal?

[dense violet]

just start up your power while it's disconnected from your factory pls. It can spike and not turn on if you keep it connected

[fluid crow]

mostly coal the bio doesn't ever do anything

[hard stump]

If you were making a small factory from just a copper node would you prefer more wire be made or cable?
Assuming these items just get out into a train to be transported somewhere else?

[jagged nymph]

depends on what you need more of

[spare cradle]

Rn I am making a ring of foundations that is like 20m up and around an abyss hole.#screenshots message

[spare cradle]

Wires

[whole drum]

I've had this issue once when going from Coal to Oil because the production line of the Oil into Fuel into Gens was more than what my Coal + rest of factory could support. Had to bootstrap it with bios.

[spare cradle]

more purpose to them and if you need cables, make them on site

[sullen gull]

Like @dense violet said, remove the power from your machines. Turn on the power and I'd suggest watcing the graph and how long it takes to get to the top. Then, connect your machines and see how that graph reaches it's peak more quickly.

[spare cradle]

broda, that is why you have powerswitches

[hard stump]

I’m asking more in the herbal sense as of now. As wouldn’t say I NEED more of anything but the whole point was to just train it somewhere else.
But wasent sure if in reality cable gets used more in builds and in making other parts or cable

[jagged nymph]

youll 100 percent need more wire

[spare cradle]

wire is everywhere

[whole drum]

Honestly, rarely use them. Rarely need them. I just keep a closer eye on power and build extra now.

[jagged nymph]

and if later you need more cable you could always turn some of that wire into cable

building powerplants is so fun

[sullen gull]

@fluid crow

[spare cradle]

I, tbh, need to make a petrol power node soon

[whole drum]

You are correct, though. Switches would help with that.

[spare cradle]

Not for the warehouse, but yeah.

[sullen gull]

#design-and-architecture message

[jagged nymph]

I lerb terberfool

[fluid crow]

If I get my pumps and coal plant going good then flip the entire factory on at once it blows it. just wondering if there is like a specific number of watts you can turn on at a time and if there's anything that can improve this

[spare cradle]

Btw, that point on my map seems to be in the abyss

[whole drum]

That is very cool

[sullen gull]

Lol.. naah, Blue crater is purty with the shroom lights 😛

[sullen gull]

I like it mostly because I can look at a switch and see what it's production should be

[spare cradle]

It's a bit away from those cords and has no oil

I think...? The area near it has a huge lake and shelf shroom structures

[sullen gull]

Lol, I 100% guarantee there is oil there 😛 #screenshots message

[spare cradle]

So, I have technically have 2 locations with water and oil

[sullen gull]

It's a "chicken and egg" thing unfortunately. Generally, I feel it should be good practice to put a switch, or priority switc, between a power plant and it's consumers. You need power to be at full bore before calling for consumption.

[sullen gull]

Lol, do you want the loc for the spire coast? 😏

[spare cradle]

... Wat

[sullen gull]

It's a big wide world on MASSAGE-2(A-B)b 😏

[whole drum]

I wish they would fix the geyser next to the oil in the SW corner of Dune Desert so that it would show the water--you can put extractors there, but you can't tell it's supposed to have water except for the fact that the geysers exist there.

[sullen gull]

I love it when you're swimming in the air 🤣

[ember moon]

okay time to learn how to actually have an efficient train line

because Im always struggling with trains

im going to do it without a tutorial

[whole drum]

I know CSS is doing some qol stuff with pipes and liquid transport in 1.2, but I hope 1.3 has a lot more architectural/structural toys for making nicer-looking factories

I don't mind if 1.3 is mostly cosmetic tbh

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message

[spare cradle]

You can put extractors on the geysers?!

[jagged nymph]

yeah, it makes a bit of power

oh wait

[spare cradle]

[jagged nymph]

wait a minute you can put water extractors on em?

[sullen gull]

Right there with ya. Outside of the std zoop/nudge/circle, the only other ones are architectural mods. But, Outside of some dabbling with the emissive beams, I can't bring myself to use any of it 😛

[spare cradle]

THATS WHAT IM ASKING

[sullen gull]

Those are thermal generators.

[jagged nymph]

yeah i really thought you were talking bout geyser power 😭

[spare cradle]

Oh

How much is that "bit" of power?

[jagged nymph]

its like 200-750, it fluctuates

thats why i hate it

[spare cradle]

Oh, eh

[whole drum]

No, I'm talking about a specific section of map that has geysers there, and the water is present but invisible, and you can put extractors on that water

[jagged nymph]

ah i see

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1457284574416736327
It's right here. The water shows on the map, but not in person.

[jagged nymph]

interesting

[whole drum]

However, it's relevant if you want to make oil power there from a Dunes start.

[sterile blade]

I can't recall, do we have half ramp foundations yet?

[spare cradle]

The donut is more of an oval

[whole drum]

Reminds me of the donut/age meme 😄

[leaden turret]

?

[spare cradle]

I agree

[leaden turret]

2m ramp foundation is half a 4m ramp foundation

[sterile blade]

Yeah, I checked... Still nothing

[spare cradle]

[sullen gull]

I though you were talking about this spot

[whole drum]

If you're not easily offended and want to see the meme, I can DM it

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

Sorry, that spot

[whole drum]

Oh, the one on south side of Rocky

[spare cradle]

I fell into the pit

Am alive though

[sullen gull]

You did say Dune didn't ya 😛 🤦‍♂️

[whole drum]

Yeah, the one in Canyons near Dunes is relevant because there isn't a lot of easy to access water near the oil there

So if you know you can build by those geysers, it saves you from long-range belting/piping

[sullen gull]

I just always pump it straight up and over somewhere else. 🤷‍♂️

Besides, how many extractors are you fitting there?

[whole drum]

Depending on the recipes you use, you may not need the water for your oil tho

[lapis shadow]

When choosing the "game phase" in the advanced settings, is that just the phase of the space elevator or...?

[spare cradle]

If you want straight fuel, you don't need water I think

[sullen gull]

Diluted

[lapis shadow]

nevermind it literally says in the fine print that it's the space elevator 🤦‍♂️

[spare cradle]

Eh...

How fast is the elevator?

[whole drum]

If it's your first oil going up, you probably won't have diluted yet, but if this is later, you will be glad for the water

Man.... I've been waiting for the house to be quiet so I can start Clair Obscur (got it for Xmas), and everyone was passed out 10 minutes ago so I was thinking about it. Now suddenly everyone wants to get up and cause a ruckus. 😡

[wispy osprey]

Why the fuck can't i tame a lizard doggo?????

I'm doing everything right

[whole drum]

Change your perfume?

[hollow sluice]

what alternate ingot recipe produces the most items /ore?

[spare cradle]

Each of my oil sources is near water

[sullen gull]

Wait, what you mean?? There is TONS of water below you and you'd pick the puddle by the gyser? 😛

[spare cradle]

and I need them for plastic and that stuff

[whole drum]

Not sure what you mean

[sullen gull]

Ohh, nm, was looking at the wrong spot... disregard.

[wispy osprey]

Why is lizard doggo ignoring berries i drop on the ground

[sullen gull]

Are you right on top of the berry?

[wispy osprey]

This game is broken

No

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1457288271527809094

[sullen gull]

Yeah/no, see what you mean lol. Sorry. But yeah, those ones I just pumped up and ran over to the swamp 😛

[whole drum]

Yikes, lol

[wispy osprey]

Oh it was supposed to be pale berry

[sullen gull]

Oh, yeah lol

[wispy osprey]

Man they're picky

[sullen gull]

Trying to feed the nuts? 😛

[whole drum]

I imagine it wouldn't be unreasonable that players might build in the coal pond to the SW tho

If you OC the extractors, you probably can fit enough to feed both the coal and the oil

[wispy osprey]

Why did the game crash??????

Dude this is dumb

[whole drum]

This what autosave is for 😉

[wispy osprey]

It crashed while editing a map marker

🫳

I get to pet the dog anytime I want now

[whole drum]

[wispy osprey]

D: nooo

[whole drum]

Nobody move or doggo gets it!

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message 🤷‍♂️

[whole drum]

Video borked

[sullen gull]

And really, it's only, maybe 3 pumps per?

[whole drum]

There's audio, but video doesn't move

[sullen gull]

Eh, may just take a sec

It's working for me on this end ..

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message

[whole drum]

Yeah, nothing on mine

[sterile blade]

Try restarting it Discord

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message 👍

I just exported it smaller.. (should have done that first :P)

[sterile blade]

What do you edit with, BTW?

[sullen gull]

Lol, just straight from steam "recordings & Screenshots"

[ember moon]

do you think a 10 train railway system is possible?

[sterile blade]

Huh

[sterile blade]

No, the map would explode.

Jokes aside, I don't really see why it shouldn't

[sullen gull]

Lol, I was referencing a save ealier that I have from reddit that has about ... 120 trains or something? or more?

[zenith spire]

So when is satisfactory gonna launch for mobile

[sterile blade]

Well, steam decks are pretty mobile, I hear...

[jagged nymph]

yeahhh the average phone would fucking explode

[zenith spire]

I’d explode if it went to mobile

[zenith spire]

True but I don’t have enough discord kittens & anime films to be certified to buy a PC yet

Nah I’m jsp but I might look into get a pc in the comming years

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[whole drum]

That's a long way to send that oil, lol

[sullen gull]

Not 10 rails, but a butt load of trains lol

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message
yay i made it

[sullen gull]

Not at all. I'll send it across the map! idgah! 🤣

[lapis shadow]

Is your inventory on separate worlds supposed to transfer or not? I'm getting mixed answers when I look it up

[jagged nymph]

no it isnt

why th would it

[sullen gull]

And, I have a single run that is super easy to diagnose. If a section isn't full, just work back. But, it was filled as I went, so it was already at the factory when I was ready to use it 🙂

[whole drum]

There aren't separate worlds--only separate saves. It's all one map, but no, inventory is not shared.

[sullen gull]

It's not. saves are independent of each other.

[lapis shadow]

Well I just started a brand new save and I have a bunch of items in my inventory, and they're not even the items I had on my main save when I last left it, so I'm really confused why they're there

[sullen gull]

Did you select skip onboarding?

[whole drum]

Did you get them from the calendar?

[lapis shadow]

Yes

[whole drum]

Ah, that's your starting supplies

[jagged nymph]

it starts you off with some items

[ember moon]

thats why then

[hybrid nymph]

hello people

[stone python]

hello

[hybrid nymph]

what tier is everyone on?

I am on tier 7

[sullen gull]

Ummmmm 😛 in a creative atm.

[jagged nymph]

finished evry tier up to 8, working on space elevator parts

[lapis shadow]

I just posted in the #1038092680493801533 , is it supposed to be that many items though?

[hybrid nymph]

Nice, I just unlocked MK5 belts, and going to setup more coal generators

[sullen gull]

Yes

[jagged nymph]

wtf why are you still using coal at that tier

thats such a waste of coal

make turbofuel plant or smth

[hybrid nymph]

because it's dirt cheap and something to use extra coal veins for

I have a turbofuel plant

I have 20 fuel generators running off turbofuel

[jagged nymph]

gotta bump up those numbers, i got 176 brochacho

[sullen gull]

Lol working on 672 😛

[jagged nymph]

you gotta build 900 of em

you gotta build 15,354 nuclear power plants

[stone python]

why stop at 900

[hybrid nymph]

isn't 14,000MW enough?

[jagged nymph]

no not even CLOSE

[sullen gull]

Ran out of shards 🤣

[jagged nymph]

couple hundred thousand tbh

[sullen gull]

Nevah! 😏

[spare cradle]

Does the jetpack Only run on solid biofuel?

[jagged nymph]

it runs on almost any type of fuel

[stone python]

🤣

[hybrid nymph]

Hmm I might redo my oil plant then

[spare cradle]

... I have coal

[sullen gull]

I would highly reccomend making some Liquid bio fuel when/if you have refinereies unlocked

[spare cradle]

I... Do

[sullen gull]

Use that.

[hybrid nymph]

There are 4 oil sources at oil, 2 pure and 2 normal, I have one pure making turbofuel, and the other making rubber/plastic, and using the heavy oil resedue to make fuel for more fuel generators

[spare cradle]

Isn't that just more condensed biofuel?

[jagged nymph]

solid biofuel, packaged fuel, packaged liquid biofuel, packaged rocket fuel, packaged ionized fuel, packaged turbofuel, wtv. Also, they each have different properties, like rocket fuel makes you go up super fast, but also one "charge" doesnt last long. Packaged liquid biofuel doesnt go very fast, but lasts a LONG time on a single charge

[spare cradle]

Oooooooh

[sullen gull]

Regular fuel, turbo fuel, and rocket fuel are "ok" but they have very short burn time compared to liquid bio

[jagged nymph]

yeah i use liquid bio

[spare cradle]

Nice to know

[hybrid nymph]

Packaged biofuel is the best fuel for jetpacks

[sullen gull]

LBF and Ionized are the two goat

[hybrid nymph]

Also packaged biofuel is the most efficient form of biofuel, you can burn it in a biofuel generator but those are so terrible, so best to use them in jetpacks

[spare cradle]

I'll make a small factory/fueling station somewhere ig

What does it take?

[queen slate]

A small bit of brain power

[spare cradle]

... I meant the resources

[queen slate]

Oh

[jagged nymph]

check yourself in game, we aint google

[sullen gull]

Just need one refinery and a few constructors for leaves, wood, (and mycillia if you want), then biomass, and solid, into a container and DD and forget about it 😛

[spare cradle]

I just closed the game

[jagged nymph]

bruh

[queen slate]

Depends on how much you wanna make:D

[spare cradle]

It's 3am

[queen slate]

Wiki is good

[jagged nymph]

same brotein powder

[sullen gull]

Oh and a bit of water.

[spare cradle]

Aight

[queen slate]

Yes 100%

[hybrid nymph]

it's 1 AM lol

[sullen gull]

One machines worth is more than enough.

Noooooh, it's 4! 😛

[hybrid nymph]

Still 3 more hours left in the day, go to bed at 4 AM, wake up at noon

[queen slate]

?

[sullen gull]

For liquid bio fuel?

[jagged nymph]

rookie numbers, 17,894

[sullen gull]

OR did I miss something else...

[queen slate]

Oh ye mb

[queen slate]

Nah u right im just a bit slow lol

[spare cradle]

A jetpack would def be better for exploration and building

But... How slow is biofuel

[sullen gull]

I mean, it's slow for gaining height....

[spare cradle]

Oh. Noice

Fun

[sullen gull]

But, it burns for a good long bit. Especially if you "feather" it at the peaks.

[queen slate]

Slow is better than none

[spare cradle]

True

[whole drum]

LBF jetpack + hypercannon = go anywhere tf you want

[sullen gull]

And leaps better than solid bio

[sullen gull]

And parachute! 😛

[hybrid nymph]

biofuel rocks, it lasts the longest

[spare cradle]

"Problem" is the hurdle of also packaging that liquid biofiel

[jagged nymph]

its plenty fast enough, and you can basically hover for a long time, and fly for a far distnace

[whole drum]

Packing is ez

[jagged nymph]

thats easy, just a lil plastic

[hybrid nymph]

packaging is EZ

[spare cradle]

I've yet to touch oil

[sullen gull]

Find an impure node and make some plates/containers... not too bad.

[hybrid nymph]

palstic and rubber are SUPER EASY to make

[sullen gull]

Don't need oil

[queen slate]

Its seems like it’s gonna be difficult but it is one of the easier things to do

[spare cradle]

It takes iron plates?

[sullen gull]

Don't need plastic either

[spare cradle]

[jagged nymph]

yeah theres alt recipes

[spare cradle]

I've yet to have the alt recipe

But. Butbutbutbutbut. wet konkret

[sullen gull]

Sorry,yeah, the alt. Steel canistor would be the base.

[whole drum]

Only problem I have with LBF is that I barely get it set up and automated before I'm already building Turbofuel, and only a little bit longer before I have hoverpack and never need jetpack again

[sullen gull]

Forgot about that lol. had to look it up

[spare cradle]

Oh it takes steel?

[queen slate]

I rushed through to the hoverpack and I don’t have any regrets

[sullen gull]

I find myself running out and being in "oh shoot" moments far more with other fuels besides LBF (and ionized)

[sullen gull]

No, wrong again. another alt. Never paid that much attention and didn't realize the plastic one was the base. Mb again.

[spare cradle]

aaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAA-

[sullen gull]

I was looking at it in the creative save, so it has every recipe lol

[queen slate]

To remember the alts is impressive enough since there are so many

[sullen gull]

Anywho, would probably find the alt(s) quick with a few drives 😛

[spare cradle]

I'll build me packaging and biofuel next to my plastic district

[queen slate]

So dw when you get something wrong

[sullen gull]

I rarely use base... except for maybe RF

[queen slate]

Alts is one of my favorite things about this game

[spare cradle]

Wet concrete produces so much

[sullen gull]

I think I'm addicted to the building lol. The automation is just a bonus 😛

[queen slate]

Sink 😄

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[whole drum]

Maybe this is why I don't use blueprints nearly enough

[spare cradle]

Ik what to put it to, but ye

[lapis shadow]

Is there a way to move one of my saves into another session? I'm trying to make a copy of my main save that is a "creative" session for testing

[spare cradle]

Fun

[whole drum]

Just save in a new slot and rename it

[queen slate]

I am not looking forward to going back to my factories and putting a shell on them since I’m not a builder

[whole drum]

From there, I think you can make it CM through options

[sullen gull]

Saves are in %localappdata%\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\Savegames

[sullen gull]

Or that 😛

[ebon cosmos]

is there a way to like control how much of something goes to different factorys through the conveyers as certain factorys only need a specific amount of this item and im trying to do that ? if that makes sense ??

[whole drum]

There are ways to do this, but they are largely unnecessary. If you build what you need for what you need, you won't generally have this problem.

Basically, you don't need to build a bunch of stuff "just in case," and should avoid a Main Bus strat until you really know what you're doing--and even that has a fun project for later saves, probably after finishing the game at least once.

What most newer players are advised to do...

!wikisearch independancy

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independancy

[ebon cosmos]

ok so what ur saying is dont make a factory that makes whatever and then feed it into different factorys or am i getting confused?

[whole drum]

If you're going to make a factory that feeds into another one, it needs to be made with that specific purpose in mind.

[lapis shadow]

When you say slot you're referring to what the game calls a "session" right? Because I can only save into the same session, it doesn't allow me to save into another session it seems

[whole drum]

There are ways to edit the session id of the duplicate save, but I'm not 100% sure how

[sullen gull]

These are my most used "constant" blueprints. Single machines with everthing already hooked up. The ones I just happen to pick were setup for "autoconnect".

But I didn't like haveing the stubbies. #screenshots message

Also, the manufactor looked odd because it was made for a 1m foundation and I did it on a 2m 😛

[ebon cosmos]

well this factory is making ingots just enough of them to make enough of what im trying to make but if u think i should do the independent thing which is what i have been doing then i can do that instead

[whole drum]

Well, dimensional depots play into this too--you will want to put basic building stuff into those on an automated basis, but you build a factory just for those as well

[ebon cosmos]

ok well i have a factory that makes steel ingots and was gonna use it to make the steel beams, pipes and the encased beams but if its better to make one factory for steel beams and pipes and one for the encased beams then ill do that

[near siren]

i personally have outposts making steel, copper, cement, quartz, etc and they produce the basic goods too like steel plates, pipes and nails which i ship back to my main building to be used in various builds

[lapis shadow]

I started another new session while enabling that same skip option and I have a completely different set of items. Do you know why?

[ebon cosmos]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independancy like this ?

[near siren]

yea pretty much

[ebon cosmos]

because thats what i normally do but i just thoiught i would try something different but if that way is better for someone newer like me then its no problem for me to change

[sullen gull]

Because that is the assumed amount you would have made had you completed on boarding (Or it's what it would have cost to upgrade during onboarding)

And, again, every time to start a new save, It's a whole new you 🙂 A whole new Becky .... or .. Monica 😛

[near siren]

like i said i produce everything in the outposts such as steel plates, pipes, cement, copper reels and tubing etc then ship it back to my main building to be used to progress after its been stored and i have tractors shipping it in

i just wish i had the high tech splitter lmao

[lapis shadow]

Oh wait so did I have way more items on my other fresh save because I had the space elevator more progressed? This time I did not enable any advvanced settings so this is a legitamate save

[sullen gull]

But you selected Skip onboarding right?

Go back into your other save and you will have those items.

[whole drum]

You need to find some SAM and get your MAM research going

[lapis shadow]

So for BOTH new sessions I selected skip onboarding

For the first new session, I enabled all the advanced settings for a creative save but I think the space elevator was also set to like phase 2 for some reason, don't think I changed that manually but idk. I ended up with tons of items

For the second new session, the ONLY setting I enabled was skip onboarding, everything else remained default. And I ended up with a far less items

I'm just trying to understand why there's a disparity in the items

[ebon cosmos]

i do the same just wanted to do something different for once #

[sullen gull]

Oh. maybe 🤷‍♂️

[whole drum]

There was a disparity in phase start, yes?

[lapis shadow]

Yes so that was the cause?

[whole drum]

I would assume so

[jagged nymph]

Holy shit dude ive been playing satisfactory too much. I was boutta clean up some trash in my room and I tried to press f to use my dismantle tool😭

[hybrid nymph]

I thought I would post my oil plant in #screenshots tell me what you guys think

[near siren]

yea i have a huge deposit right below my main building in a cavern

[jagged nymph]

Oeeyuhll

[queen slate]

#screenshots message gj i like how u used the blue the paint thing makes factories look so much better imo

[queen slate]

Lmao

[lapis shadow]

When playing with advanced settings is there like a hotkey to pull up the "give items" menu? So I don't have to click escape and navigate to it every time?

[eager harbor]

I found normal coal deposit should I search for pure

[queen slate]

If you need more coal

[dense violet]

You’re generally limited by belt speed for most of the milestones, pure nodes don’t output much more than normal when you clock

[queen slate]

But dont think impure and normal are bad and you shouldn’t use them

You should use any node

If you using them for coal powered generators no harm in using both

[near siren]

just unlocked the smart splitter YIPPPE

[eager harbor]

Oh

[eager harbor]

But am getting logistics mk3

[whole drum]

An immensely helpful tool

[dense violet]

And you can overclock pure nodes much more than 270 pm

[dense violet]

And overclock normal nodes to something like that

[eager harbor]

Ur speaking about the auto miner?

[whole drum]

My gf would love to be able to do this

[eager harbor]

Lol

[dense violet]

Just the mk2 miner

[eager harbor]

[eager harbor]

So wait ur telling me when I get mk2 miner I’ll have to rebuild iron copper limestone farms 😭

[jagged nymph]

no, you can just expand them

[eager harbor]

[whole drum]

No, you don't have to rebuild anything. Just move on to new ones--or upgrade existing if you built them in a way that there's space to add on.

[dense violet]

Or just make new factories elsewhere

[jagged nymph]

when i enter my turbofuel plant i lag to 20 fps 😭

[wispy osprey]

Why is the game crashing frequently while I'm viewing the map

[whole drum]

Maybe verify files?

[wispy osprey]

Console

[whole drum]

Check for update?

[wispy osprey]

Nothin

[whole drum]

What about system update?

[wispy osprey]

All good

[unkempt blade]

must be console gremlins 🙁

[near siren]

can you not have more than one item selected on the smart splitter?

[unkempt blade]

one per direction, you want the programmable splitter

[whole drum]

One per split

[near siren]

dangit 😄

[jagged nymph]

why does my drone port say insufficient fuel even thuogh it has a full stack of batteries?

[wispy osprey]

I'm at least reporting every crash i get while viewing map stamps

[unkempt blade]

sorry to start with the dumb question but they're actually in a fuel slot and not general inventory right?

[jagged nymph]

yes, fuel slot

wtv ill figure it out

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I'm not really sure. It might say that if you had too little fuel for the route you chose but I don't think it'd even be possible to pick something a stack full of batteries can't handle

[lapis shadow]

Is the absence of an external indicator literally the only difference between a normal pipeline and a clean pipelin?

[jagged nymph]

yeah

[ember moon]

you mean fuel canisters right

it takes fuel canisters

[jagged nymph]

wdym

[ember moon]

not batteries

[unkempt blade]

it can use different fuel types

[jagged nymph]

yes it does

[unkempt blade]

batteries being one of them (the original one)

[jagged nymph]

they used to only take batteries in fact

[queen slate]

Are drones good? I can unlock them just don’t know if they worth it

[ember moon]

have you linked the ports

[dense violet]

they are basically slow teleporters

[unkempt blade]

they're situationally useful

[ember moon]

okay then how long is the journey

what part of the map are you going from

[unkempt blade]

they have high power cost + a fuel cost + low throughput but they don't need tracks/roads/long conveyors/etc

[jagged nymph]

one sec ill make a questions and help thread

[dense violet]

power and fuel are basically free when you've got it automated.

[unkempt blade]

if the save already has them pretty well scaled up I'd agree but comparing them to other vehicles those are the downsides

[queen slate]

Trains are free when you get the tracks set up

[unkempt blade]

not free, they have a power cost and you use resources to produce power

[queen slate]

And factory carts are goated

[queen slate]

I swear they use like 100mw

[dense violet]

but they need a ton of infrastructure and are awkward around terrain. Mostly worth it if you'll have many trains using the same infrastructure

drones don't give a shit about terrain, have essentially no infrastructure and you can just slap them down as needed

[scenic mirage]

but batteries

[dense violet]

they use basically any fuel type

[queen slate]

True

[dense violet]

including plutonium rods

[scenic mirage]

ig but arent batteries the best

[dense violet]

define 'best'

they aren't the fastest fuel

[unkempt blade]

there's a table comparing fuels on the drone page of the wiki

[dense violet]

also - plutonium rods are tied for top speed AND are essentially just garbage you want to throw away in most case s

[scenic mirage]

oh bet

[eager harbor]

When will I get train

[queen slate]

Cool never knew that

[dense violet]

tied for speed with ionised fuel

[queen slate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ how ever quickly it takes for you to unlock them

[unkempt blade]

I really like the idea of using plut rods for drones but the reality of making sure all my ports have a refill ready just makes me feel annoyed with such low item quantity 😆

[queen slate]

You unlock them at t6 if that’s what ur asking

[dense violet]

let them buffer up for a bit before you start fueling everything up?
or just use SCIM and give yourself a couple containers to avoid the wait time

[eager harbor]

T6?????

I started 1 day ago dude

[dense violet]

you'll get there

[unkempt blade]

what are you doing on discord? you should be binge-playing satis!

no sleep! no rest! the factory must grow!

[lost rapids]

Good morning chat

[eager harbor]

Am studying

[eager harbor]

Wanna play for me

[unkempt blade]

sorry that would just be immorally enabling you to study which isn't something I can have on my conscience

[eager harbor]

skill issue

This is my final year at school

[scenic mirage]

cooked lol

[dim spoke]

holyy i jusr built a modular frame factory and its huge

this big for only 2.5/min 😔

[whole drum]

Heavy?

[dim spoke]

huh

[whole drum]

What kind of modular frames? There's 3

[dim spoke]

the default recipe

[whole drum]

That shouldn't be too bad

Build this and add iron rods, you're at 6+/m frames

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1448896409859526769

[dim spoke]

hmm should i take cast screws or copper rotor

[limpid iron]

I got 37.5 modular frames a min but I had to use an alloy recipe on the iron ingots

[limpid iron]

cast screws!!!!

[whole drum]

Either can be useful

[limpid iron]

I think cast screws are essential

[whole drum]

I don't, but lots of people love them

[dim spoke]

this means i can simplify my frame setup to use that

[whole drum]

Saves a couple machines and a small amount of power, that's about it

[limpid iron]

I just hate having to make rods

[scenic mirage]

cast screws are essential early on

[whole drum]

I skip it, usually

[scenic mirage]

have fun with crystal oscillators 😂

[whole drum]

Rod machines are nothing

Just another constructor at the end of the day

[limpid iron]

I have insulted crysal oscillators 😁

[whole drum]

That said, if it's convenient to you, use it

[limpid iron]

I think cast screws are objectively more efficient than iron rods, saves more ingots 🤷

[dense violet]

nope.
if you use Steel Rods it's more resource efficient

[limpid iron]

I'm just talking about iron ingots, but thats useful to know

[dense violet]

oh sure, but cast screw means you can't use another screw path that's resource efficient

mind you I'll always just use steel screw

it's so compact

[whole drum]

I love Steel screws

Exactly

[limpid iron]

steel is kinda scarce for me right now in start of phase 4

I only have one steel factory

[whole drum]

Coal is relatively common

[sullen gull]

With Alu beam .. 🤌

[dense violet]

coal + iron are super common near each other
coke steel is good too

[limpid iron]

I did recently get that one

[dense violet]

Solid Steel ingots helps extend your steel ingots too

[limpid iron]

I use that one

[dense violet]

it's just very useful

[whole drum]

Once you have a certain combo of alt recipes, some things become very abundant

Steel is one of them

Plastic/Rubber are others

[limpid iron]

I got the recipes that allowed me to get 163 fuel generators with turbofuel

don't have blenders yet so I have no clue how blending stuff works

[dense violet]

turbo is fine, diluted is simpler and puts out tons of power

[unkempt blade]

cast screws is the best alt recipe

[whole drum]

Some people don't like turbo much, but I dig it. It's not "the best," but it sure can be nice.

[limpid iron]

I'm using heavy oil residue alternative and turbo heavy fuel

I don't think diluted is better in my case

[dense violet]

it would be.
heavy turbo is a very oil inneficient path to turbo fuel

oil > heavy oil residue alt > diluted fuel packs a wollop

[whole drum]

Diluted Fuel is goated

Incredible output and still leaves you options for further processing if you wish

[unkempt blade]

it's ok I guess but it's certainly no cast screws

[whole drum]

You can keep your mid screws 🙂

[dense violet]

more like cringe screws 😛

[unkempt blade]

it's not screwmidding we're out here screwmaxing!

[queen slate]

Tbh I don’t usually use screws some alts avoid them

[unkempt blade]

you're basic but I still love you

[ember moon]

I fucking spent 7 hours making a 10 train cargo system

[queen slate]

Ty 😄

[limpid iron]

ok i calculated diluted is goated

[whole drum]

Aluminum -> Rods -> Screws is screwmaxxing

[limpid iron]

but I don't have enough compacted coal since mk2 miners 😢

[dull sparrow]

hello my friends

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-wave-emoji-cat-wave-cat-wave-gif-17826137474354671565

[whole drum]

But I don't personally like using alum for that

[unkempt blade]

that's a good one! or alu => beams => screws for people who prefer steel aluminum screws

[limpid iron]

338 fuel generators which is 84 gigawatts, a little more than double my current power plant

[unkempt blade]

if you have shards free this is where I'd normally start sticking them in generators

[limpid iron]

just to save on space?

[whole drum]

Yeah, I normally don't advise putting shards in gens, but when you're talking hundreds of gens, it becomes worth it to save on time.

[unkempt blade]

yeah it just straight up increases fuel cost/power output. There's no efficiency lost just space saved

[limpid iron]

I do have 252 power shards I'm not using on me

[whole drum]

And time/effort

[hybrid nymph]

ahh coal generators as far as the eye can see, I just found some extra coal, so I decided to setup 48 additional coal generators

[upper smelt]

I just exploded a nuclear bomb thing in my base is the radiation gonna be there forever?

[unkempt blade]

if it's the first big oil power plant it's sometimes nice to save some of the construction cost too depending on how scaled up that stuff is or if the person has containers full of parts

[hybrid nymph]

was it worth it setting that many up for an additional 3600MW of power for the last 2 hours?

[whole drum]

Saving space isn't really an important factor for anything

[leaden turret]

-# saving earth, not saving space

[ember moon]

#screenshots message Quick question does anyone want more angles of this

[unkempt blade]

won't somebody please think of the fps? 😆

[limpid iron]

163 gens is quite cumbersome to setup and manage already
#screenshots message

[whole drum]

Oh my god, yes. For some people, this could actually be really relevant.

I sometimes forget that's an issue because I don't normally have that problem, but now that it's out on consoles, we really have to consider it

[native frost]

Spider

[hybrid nymph]

I like having coal as a backup for relaible power

[unkempt blade]

yeah my PC is pretty decent parts but the really big builds will affect performance at some point

[ember moon]

I just need a CPU

[limpid iron]

synthetics plants provide good backup power with the HOR byproduct lol

[ember moon]

my current pc is insanejust need more threads and better performance

[whole drum]

The only performance hit I have had so far is in multiplayer when someone drops an illegal blueprint (not from the in-game designer) and it lags it out

[sullen gull]

My "tendril" ship thingy build kinda had to die for now do to my pc having a stoke 🙁

[native frost]

I like finding out i can't start up my powerplant

[hybrid nymph]

I have 80 coal generators

It's just my buffer power, I like doing the main pwoer with fuel generators

[native frost]

Yeah fair ill be looking at nuclear power

[near siren]

#screenshots lol i got the smart splitters working well

[whole drum]

Ask Tinker about power switches 😉

[native frost]

Ik rocket easier but its my first play through

[limpid iron]

I usually lose a little fps in moderate size factories

[scenic mirage]

how do i split 2700 into 3 conveyors w 900? i have a line w 1200, 1200, and 300

[native frost]

3 to 3 balancer

[sullen gull]

You mean these? 😏 #design-and-architecture message

[native frost]

Check balancers on satisfactory calculator or youtube

[hybrid nymph]

I use coal as backup, coal is extremly reliable

[whole drum]

If you split a 1200 into 2, you can add it to the 300, then just balance the remaining 600/1200 by splitting both and rejoining according to the math

[ember moon]

can you actually get satisfactory calculator to help you build a balancer

[scenic mirage]

whats that counter thingy

[whole drum]

You will eventually have 3 sets of 600+300

[scenic mirage]

just did that 🙏

[sullen gull]

In the top left corner? It's a UObject counter mod.

[scenic mirage]

why tho

[whole drum]

Because if it goes too high it can crash

[sullen gull]

Because I do a ton in bllue print designers, and there seems to be a bug where the number continues to climb. something about "garbage management" or something I guess. But it lets me know when I should reload

[whole drum]

Gets stuck in the RAM?

[sullen gull]

Not sure 🤷‍♂️

[whole drum]

Sorta sounds that way

But maybe an engine issue

[sullen gull]

Also not sure if that mod is some of the cause as it itself uses UObjects

[whole drum]

I doubt it uses enough to cause more harm than good

[sullen gull]

This. But also don't want to dicount anything 😛 I try to play things 'fair' lol

Anyhow, that "switch room" is made in a 4x4 bluprint designer. I intend to use it (and maybe a variant or two) as a "module" for factories in the future

[whole drum]

I wish I could color power lines

[sullen gull]

I hate power lines lol. I hide every one I can 😛

[golden elbow]

Small question- Do you ever get like, better smelters? On phase 2 currently, and using a disgusting amount of them overclocked, and it seems like a lot of slug juice wasted

[sullen gull]

No, you get alts that allow one to use something like a refinery.

[scenic mirage]

you just get alt recipes and blueprints

[golden elbow]

Ahhhh, fair enough, better go grab some hard drives then

[scenic mirage]

allowing you to place more faster

[sullen gull]

or, like with Limestone and Wet conncrete: #screenshots message

[golden elbow]

When I say "On phase 2" I mean, I'm just waiting on the funny trusses to be finished

everything else is done, just a waiting game 💤

[whole drum]

Pure/Alloy Ingots let you get a lot more material while also building them faster

[upper smelt]

How do I change my dismantle filter form blueprint to normal

[sullen gull]

Though, with Iron for instance, The Leeched alt is also very lucrative if one doesn't mind the use of some sulfur

[sullen gull]

R on PC

[upper smelt]

Thx

[whole drum]

Example: Copper Alloy Ingot

• 50/m iron ore
• 50/m copper ore
  Nets 100/m copper ingots

And that's just one machine, not clocked

[sullen gull]

Pure is still the better: #screenshots message

[whole drum]

I'd still prefer to mix with water or copper as sulfur is a little less common and those others give nearly as much net % gain

[sullen gull]

I tend to go pure as well. while the majority of the sulfur goes towards power plants.

[whole drum]

Early on it goes to compacted coal, later toward sulfuric acid

[sullen gull]

Though, there plenty of nodes of sulfur I haven't touched yet.

[whole drum]

But to the original question, pures/alloys are the best way to reduce the machine count for processing ore

[sullen gull]

Honestly, for a pure iron ore overclocked with a mk3, one could totally drone the sulfur in ... it's only 232/min...

That would be 2400 iron ingots/min

pure gives a strange number of 2228.57 🤮

[hardy vector]

In vanilla, no. But there are mods for that

[limpid iron]

i love the pure recipes

[limpid iron]

what way is modding supported, like official api or js placing a file into game directory

[reef basin]

not really. If I tell person "here's how you can get the info",, they will know that next time they need that info. If I tell them "answer is 15", then next time they need similar info, they are gonna be in the same situation

[sullen gull]

It's not "officially" supported. But isn't frowned upon

[hardy vector]

good modding support, good mod manager to install things, etc

[sullen gull]

As far I was aware, it's not "official" and is not affiliated with CSS?

[hardy vector]

Didn't know that, already corrected my answer

[sullen gull]

Oh, you changed it 😛

[hardy vector]

It all looks so well made, that it looked like it something official

[sullen gull]

It's definitely a very easy and simple setup. Like it much better than something like vortex lol. Then again, I only have minimal expierence with that.

@whole drum a much earlier version : #screenshots message

[whole drum]

Vortex is an alright mod manager and certainly much better than it used to be, but I don't appreciate Nexus trying to curate mod selection (unless actually illegal, like CSAM or somemthing).

As for SF, I haven't used any mods yet, but a few definitely seem appealing.

[sullen gull]

I didn't start until towards the end of my 3rd playthrough

[whole drum]

I have 650hrs. Certainly enough that I don't feel I would be cheating myself any, and most of the stuff I'm interested in would be certain types of qol and better aesthetic options.

[sullen gull]

My top four recs are Infinite zoop, nudge, curve builder, and skyUI 😛

pakutils if you want fly without AGS

[whole drum]

Yeah, I've used SkyUI in other games

Inf nudge sounds useful

[sullen gull]

Heh, a bit OP honestly 😛

[whole drum]

Not sure how curve builder works, but if it makes building rounded structures easier/better, that would be one of the most appealing options

[sullen gull]

But, it can be quirky. things done nudge they way one may think they should and you'lll have to move around some things to get to to do what you want.

[sullen gull]

Can make circles, zoop a specific radius, and also create "parallel" zoops for things like roads. Afaik, it's still using a "vanilla" way to achive it. It's just taking a ton of work out.

[whole drum]

Sounds like what I would want

The only real "cheat" thing I might consider is just starting with extra spheres and maybe a few sloops

[sullen gull]

that last plant was all pre mod though 😛

[scenic mirage]

i have inf zoop

its amazing you can make actual 2d platforms, not just 1d

[eager harbor]

yo bro I bought the additional addons to the game with satisfactory what are they

[sullen gull]

Sometimes I feel bad making videos with it because it's so easy mode 😛

[scenic mirage]

😭 its just foundations

[whole drum]

Would want just enough sloops to run slug/remains machines

[scenic mirage]

itd be diff if you could do blueprints or smth

[whole drum]

I rarely use them for much else

[eager harbor]

yo bro I bought the additional addons to the game with satisfactory what are they

[whole drum]

I don't know. I didn't buy them.

[eager harbor]

I had to pay extra when buying the game

[scenic mirage]

the soundtrack?

[eager harbor]

No

[scenic mirage]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2873550/Satisfactory_Soundtrack/

[tiny vault]

algun español?

[eager harbor]

It was like 2 other stuff with it

[sullen gull]

English only is preferred unfortunately.

[whole drum]

A poster and a bj, both to be delivered by mail 🙂

[eager harbor]

Meowmeow

[scenic mirage]

whatd you buy on?

[lapis sun]

Provablemente

[scenic mirage]

you can find a spanish group in #1201555265942724758

[eager harbor]

Uh it shows deep rock galactic and valhem

[whole drum]

Oh you bought a bundle

[scenic mirage]

they delivering bjs by mail now???

[tiny vault]

ok

[scenic mirage]

those are other games

[eager harbor]

Are they good

[scenic mirage]

you didnt have to buy them

[eager harbor]

[scenic mirage]

🤷‍♂️ iunno lmao

[whole drum]

DRG is good. Dunno about about Val

[eager harbor]

U played it?

[sullen gull]

Valheim is different, but decent imo

[whole drum]

DRG is similar genre to Helldivers 2

[scenic mirage]

oh those actually look interesting

[unkempt blade]

yeah but DRG is actually fun

[whole drum]

Both are fun, but I actually liked HD2 more

[eager harbor]

So DRG is good?

[whole drum]

Unlocks in DRG are a tad too slow for my tastes

Gameplay is solid, and humor is nice

[unkempt blade]

I don't like that like 100% of each mission feels frantic/chaotic. The pacing needs both slow and fast

[whole drum]

Rock and Stone!

[eager harbor]

I once bought elden ring and hated it

[whole drum]

This depends on who you play with and at what difficulty

[eager harbor]

[whole drum]

Hmm, Valheim looks interesting enough, and is very positively reviewed. Probably decent game.

[sullen gull]

Definatley a bit "grindy" for my tastes, But the building is cool.. and does make an attempt to force one to have the need for supports as there is a gravity system.

[brazen cove]

is there a difference between foundations? or is it just what materials they cost to build? if so which one should i buy from a shop? concrete or asphalt foundations?

[whole drum]

Materials is part of it, but mostly cosmetic

Glass Foundations are my fav, but some people really love their glossy asphalt

[brazen cove]

i wouldn't say so, my normal schematics cost 5 concrete and 2 iron plates to make 1, the ones from the shop cost just 2 concrete

[sullen gull]

Which aren't under foundations though 😛

[golden nexus]

buy all of them, but really start with concrete only, it has no plate cost

[whole drum]

I just wish I could get glass that didn't have the crossbar down the middle

[sullen gull]

You'll want Structrual Solutions 😏

[eager harbor]

Is there a starter setup for coal generators i just unlocked em

[whole drum]

Once you automate/DD these things, cost stops being relevant

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[eager harbor]

???

[whole drum]

That a mod?

Cool

[brazen cove]

yeah i know, i have automation for concrete, but i want to go full economy class 😛

[eager harbor]

@sullen gull last one is best?

[whole drum]

Considering I lay foundation that costs steel, I'm not worried about economy, lol 🇺🇸

[brazen cove]

also, is there a way to get more tickets?

[eager harbor]

@sullen gull I don’t understand this I need 8 deposits???

[golden nexus]

sink high value items

[sullen gull]

I personally go with the first one. But they all should work. Just depends on what you want.

[brazen cove]

like the ones that consume the most materials to make?

[eager harbor]

I don’t understand what u sent in the blueprint it doesn’t show coal input

[whole drum]

Ah hell, it's super late. I need to get to bed and at least try to sleep.

[upper gale]

C are coal generators, W are water extractors

[golden nexus]

Yes, So sinking rplate, rotor will score less than sinking smart plate for example

[sullen gull]

Coal can just be on a manifold.

[eager harbor]

What

[sullen gull]

It's the plumbing most have issues with it, hence why it's showcased there.

[brazen cove]

ooooh but is there a huge diff or nope?

[golden nexus]

A fast early game method to get tickets is to sink dna points from killing things

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch manifold

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[whole drum]

Catch y'all later. Enjoy your build guns!

[eager harbor]

@sullen gull what does manifold mean am new to the game

[golden nexus]

Yes, Iron plate is worth 6 points, Rplate = 120, Rotor = 140 , Smart Plate = 520, Full list https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink

[sullen gull]

Check the wiki. Will explain it much better than I could 😉

[golden nexus]

@brazen cove Bear in mind the highest value item is 2,895,334 per item

[eager harbor]

WHY ARE THERE SPIDERS EWWWW

[brazen cove]

thanks man, i thought that all of them are the same, and thought to myself how in the world i can get 1000 tickets for a nut statue with just ''selling'' concrete

[golden nexus]

@brazen cove Each time you get a ticket the next ticket iwll be slightly more difficult

[brazen cove]

what is it.?

[golden nexus]

Ballistic warp drive

[sullen gull]

Spolier 😛

[brazen cove]

yeah i know that

[brazen cove]

well not anymore lol-

anyways, thanks for helping

[golden nexus]

It seems to favour space elevator parts for points

[sullen gull]

I was looking at the list earliler and never realilzed hover packs were worth at much as they are 😛

[golden nexus]

Blade runers are a good early game 😛

[golden nexus]

This also surprises me lol

[eager harbor]

Am gonna skip coal for now until I get advanced infrastructure and mk2

[sullen gull]

Ai m limiter were always my first to sink for a while.

[sullen gull]

Shouldn't be too difficult

[golden nexus]

Mid game i tend to sink motor + pet coke (high vol)

You only get 20 for pet coke, but when you sink 900/min... it adds up

[sullen gull]

And obviously the se parts get sunk once an industrial storage container is full :p

[golden nexus]

sinking abox of CO at 1200/min 😛

[sullen gull]

And, if you're in the grass fields, the lake with the coal plant isn't too far and a great place for a coal plant.

[eager harbor]

Am in rocky desert and I found a normal and impure and normal deposits all next to the beach

[oak nymph]

The thing is to explain for someone to understand like satisfactory tool is great and the wiki too but it doesn't explain everything things like how much of thing you usually need and stuff like that just like a teacher

[sullen gull]

Ahh, with the funky glyphs under them? 😏

[eager harbor]

But there are spiders there 😭

[sullen gull]

Well get in there and smack em down! 😏

[eager harbor]

Eww

I have a phobia from spiders

[sullen gull]

Turn on arachnophobia mode in settings 😛

[eager harbor]

U can do that?

[plain cipher]

It's a 50/50 for me. I really like using other resources like YouTube and such, but I'm quick to get influenced and be like "My factory doesn't look like this, so I can't implement anything they're saying". I find in this game specifically I like making a ton of mistakes and having 50 tabs open from google searches to fix it

[golden nexus]

@sullen gull Points are getting somewhat "difficult" for me now lol #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Too distracted with outside sources vs learning the mechanics your own way I'd assume

[eager harbor]

Biofuel is a pain to get

[sullen gull]

And you're only a fraction of the way to the max 🤣

[golden nexus]

I know, I need to fix the power supply in this save

[plain cipher]

ALIEN PROTEIN BRO

[eager harbor]

??

[plain cipher]

I just looked yesterday

So you can unlock alien protein research in the MAM

And when you kill creatures you depost their remains to get protein

[golden nexus]

I think it need to go to nuclear at this point in order to scale up

[plain cipher]

And get A TON of biofuel

[eager harbor]

Really???

Ima do the MAM research then

[plain cipher]

I got like 3K biofuel just last night from only like 16 proteins

[eager harbor]

WHATTT

[plain cipher]

Mmmmmhm

[unkempt blade]

This game is pretty easy/forgiving as far as factory games go. I think the first playthrough at least was really fun to do without outside tutorials, etc.

[eager harbor]

TIME TO GET TO MAM RESEARCH

[sullen gull]

Idk, I am working on 420GW RF atm 😏

[eager harbor]

Are u new too?

[plain cipher]

100%. I like to watch like 5 minutes of a video to get an idea but it's when they show off their "this is my 1000hr base" that I get way overwhelmed

[golden nexus]

I did a tiny RF last night to get me enough power to do nuclear

[plain cipher]

Yessir. I beent playing for like 2.5 days but I've already sunk like 40hrs. It's addicting.

[plain cipher]

Most likely. Thinking back, I think it's my brain being like "Nope, we're gonna shut down so we can do this ourselves" 'cause honestly the game is a good creative outlet too.

[eager harbor]

Lol
Me 10 hrs

[plain cipher]

I'm on a break from work for the holidays so I got nothing but time lol.

[sullen gull]

When I first started I found myself doing the same, watching youtube videos on how to make the 'best factory' with the 'best recipes', and I just found it less enjoyable as when I started "finding my own way"

[golden nexus]

A lot of youtube videos of course cheat, they give you "the best" but have things unlocked which the player does not have, like a rplate factory with only mk1 belts

One approach for the game is having to deal with what you have currently, not what you would like to have

[sullen gull]

You mean like this? #screenshots message

[golden nexus]

I would never build that 😛

[sullen gull]

Ahh base recipies. Though, not a high end qty of course.

[oak nymph]

Easy but time consuming

[plain cipher]

Yep, you're dead on.

[golden nexus]

Solving the puzzle is the game

[eager harbor]

Should I do vehicle research before steel production

[golden nexus]

Do you need to drive to where you want to do steel?

[eager harbor]

Idk how we even do steel to know

[golden nexus]

iron+coal

[oak nymph]

Vehicle need energy if your on biomass and struggling I wouldn't research vehicle

[eager harbor]

Bro there is no iron deposit near the coal 😭

[oak nymph]

Run long conveyors

[eager harbor]

[plain cipher]

You kinda start to see the matrix. Last night I was so caught up on these 8 extractor coal power plants that I was seeing in YT vids that I was seriously about to run power lines from the oasis basin like 2000m away as opposed to just starting with the lake that's on the cliff RIGHT BEHIND ME. EVEN THEN I was still able to very comfortably get 7 plants going on 4 extractors.

[eager harbor]

How do we do that

[upper gale]

Certain things are harder in the early game compared to later but ofc no one talks about them, just "get this or that" like yeah just get through half the game and then your problem is solved, crazy work. People often are also very disconnected from the struggle of not having everything you need

[oak nymph]

I've done it it's a pain required a lot of resources

[eager harbor]

[sullen gull]

Go east. Towards -1077,-1404

[eager harbor]

How do u see coordinates

[plain cipher]

Gimme a few mins, I'll send some screenshots of what I did to give you an idea

[plain cipher]

Rop right of the map (M button on keyboard)

[sullen gull]

top right corner on your map

[ember moon]

#screenshots message wow okay so there isnt a max for carts on a train

[golden nexus]

the game does not want you to get stuck on specific things all game. Its why it gives you options once you have "solve the problem" to solve the problem again faster

[eager harbor]

Wow I need a vehicle it’s to far cuz am far west

[sullen gull]

Technically, once something is unlocked they can find alts for it right away.

[golden nexus]

Yup

[eager harbor]

WHY DO I NEED A TRILLION SCREWS FOR ROTOR BRO

[golden nexus]

lol

Why do you need screws for rotor at all? 🙂

[eager harbor]

IKR

😭

[golden nexus]

I don't need screws for my rotor....

[eager harbor]

This game loves screwing with us

😭

[golden nexus]

Thats a good example actally in early game, you can't do steel rotor until after you do some steel, which means your still screwed for a while

[hybrid nymph]

I am now producing 9437.5 MW from coal generators alone

[eager harbor]

Lol ye

[scenic mirage]

how do i know how much fuel my drones will need? i set the trips but it still says 0 per minute

[ember moon]

research hard drives for better recipes

[sullen gull]

I personally don't mind screws 🤷‍♂️

[golden nexus]

What if i told you both rplate and rotor can have identical design, scalable and its recursive?

[ember moon]

it should tell you have you actually set a destinationm

[eager harbor]

What is that english bro

[hybrid nymph]

you need the iron screws recipe where you can make them out of iron ingots directly, most useful recipe in the game other than steel modular frames

[plain cipher]

Do I need to seriously spend my days going HD hunting?

[golden nexus]

You can do rotor @ 20/min spread across multiple floors, where every floor is identical to each other in both rplate and rotor

[scenic mirage]

yeah but it doesnt say how much fuel it needs

[eager harbor]

Will we need many rotors late game?

[ember moon]

put in the fuel and it should tell you

[golden nexus]

Automate something, then hunt, automate something then hunt, repeat

[golden nexus]

Kinda...

If you build excess rotor early game you sink them for points to help unlock that stuff

[eager harbor]

What is awesome shop

[hybrid nymph]

yes, yes you do

[golden nexus]

Unlocks toys, additional buildings blocks etc...

[upper gale]

Collecting hard drives and mercer spheres for example: you could get some nearby but I don't really advise doing a whole lot until you have a few tools for exploration unlocked. A parachute, or better a jetpack. Better weapon than the starting one (if creatures are set to hostile) and also some health restoring items nuts/berries ect. Stuff like that

[golden nexus]

I have to find a hard disk 🙁 <-- its the last hard disk to find

[hybrid nymph]

yes you will, you need lots of them, to make motors to make the modular engine space elevator part, which you can awesome sink for great points

[oak nymph]

The rifle don't do much damage is it just me?

[hybrid nymph]

you ned turbo rifle ammo for that

[plain cipher]

Blue lightsaber better

[hybrid nymph]

which you get at tier 7

[oak nymph]

It's worth it?

[hybrid nymph]

turbo rifle ammo is busted and can kill a nuclear hog with 1 clip

[oak nymph]

I just crafted 1000 bullet

[hybrid nymph]

geeat, now you need aluminum casings and turbo fuel

[ember moon]

automate ammo

[oak nymph]

Ok I'll wait

[ember moon]

never just craft itautomate it

[oak nymph]

Why it's not that slow

[ember moon]

then you just have a surplus when you need it

[solemn edge]

I just unlocked oil, what do I first produce?

[hybrid nymph]

I just always automate it then use depots so I can take it out of my inventory at any time

[upper gale]

Just gets annoying to hand craft after a while

[sullen gull]

Because you''ll want to have it "on hand" when exploring a lot.

[eager harbor]

What do points do

[hybrid nymph]

you use them to buy stuff from the AWESOME shop

like base upgrades

[golden nexus]

@sullen gull Is ionized fuel worth it?

[eager harbor]

Why do I need awesome shop

[hybrid nymph]

I never used ionized fuel

[oak nymph]

Im going on a expedition I got 200 biofuel for jetpack 1000 bullet I just need food is the medicinal inhaler worth it ?

[sullen gull]

For power generation, no. But for a small setup for the jetpack, 1000%

[hybrid nymph]

it's a basic game mechanic, there are a lot of useful parts for your factroy you can buy

[upper gale]

I like to make a small setup at an impure oil node. Just one refinery making plastic and one making rubber. Byproduct makes fuel. Just to get me started

[solemn edge]

awesome

[sullen gull]

Liquid biofuel?

[oak nymph]

Yeah

[solemn edge]

and uhh once I get trains, should I start building megafactories?

[eager harbor]

How do I find stuff for mam research

[sullen gull]

OK cool, and yes, the inhalers are nice

[solemn edge]

(since I am planning to, just. I dont think I have enough tools on my disposal

[plain cipher]

Exploring, then it's added to your search tool

Once you find and mine/collect it

[sullen gull]

Build a MAM. Under the special gategory. If it's unlocked yet.

[hybrid nymph]

of course, trains are the BEST vehicle in the game hands down, I never use drones, I always use trains

[plain cipher]

But drones are coooolllll

[solemn edge]

Im talking about, is it enough to start a megabase?

[sullen gull]

I tend to always used drones for nitrogen gas and a lot of aluminium products.

[eager harbor]

How to disable christmas event

[sullen gull]

Disable seasonal events under settings.

[eager harbor]

THANK GOD THERE IS ARACHNOPHOBIA MODE

I hate spiders

How can we unlock alien protein to biomass?

[sullen gull]

Mam research

[eager harbor]

Where am in MAM

[sullen gull]

A lot of these questons are very easliy answered if you just pllayed the game instead of asking every step in here tbh 😏

[eager harbor]

bro I unlocked protein but I don’t see it in hub

[hybrid nymph]

yes it is

[eager harbor]

How do i scan animals after I researched them

I can’t see it on object scanner

[ember moon]

hold R with it out

[eager harbor]

Not working

[sullen gull]

Again, research in the mam. The very last one on the right side if the tree iirc

[eager harbor]

Ohhh I have to reach that

[sullen gull]

If you hover over things, it generally tells you what is going on.

[plain cipher]

Do y'all just default to mainly 4m foundations when building? Too much nasty nature I don't want in my factory

[dense violet]

creatures stop spawning around powered machines

[plain cipher]

Yeah, I just meant more like the rocks and grass poking through and stuff

[ember moon]

bomb

[plain cipher]

I read bomb doesn't destroy the normal rocks, was I mislead?

[ember moon]

powerful bomb

[dense violet]

you can use any thickness foudnation, just find a reasonable height

[sullen gull]

I mainly do 2m foundations for a floor, and 4-6m inbetween

[hybrid nymph]

if you want to get rid of those pesky rocks just use nobelisks to blow them up

[ember moon]

or use the nukes

[dense violet]

very few rocks can be blown up by bombs

[eager harbor]

Help how do I leave tractor

[hybrid nymph]

although some rocks are part of the map, in that case they can't be destroyed

[ember moon]

E

[plain cipher]

Same way you got in bro

[eager harbor]

Lol

[hybrid nymph]

press E

[oak nymph]

How is the range on the rifle is there bullet drop?

[eager harbor]

WHY DO I NEED A MILLION SCREWS

[ember moon]

its about like20 foundations

[hybrid nymph]

Since it is called the "tractor" I wish like a real tractor you could put attachments on it, such as a plow to remove leaves in front of the tractor

[golden elbow]

Reject your innefficent Pioneer flesh and embrace the certainty and productivity of steel

[eager harbor]

UH how do u fuel this thing station?

[golden elbow]

the tractor is immortal.

[golden elbow]

Give it some biomass and it'll run for a good while

[eager harbor]

Can u fuel the tractor manually

[oak nymph]

Why do I constantly hear spider walking it's scares me so much I can't see them

[hybrid nymph]

tractoprs and trucks accept any type of fuel, anything from leaves to plutonium fuel rods, I usually just use gasoline

[sullen gull]

Go to the back and open the craft bench

[eager harbor]

Oh

[eager harbor]

Isn’t craft bench for crafting?

[hybrid nymph]

yeah you can manually refill the fuel from the back

[eager harbor]

[ember moon]

you do realise you can trial and error your questions by yourself

[golden elbow]

think of it as the general interact button for the tractor

[eager harbor]

Cap

I was stuck for 6 minutes trying to get out of the tractor lol

[sullen gull]

There is a crafting bench built into vehicles.

[golden elbow]

I am genuinely frothing at the mouth at the thought of getting trains soon

[sullen gull]

Pay attention to the bottom of the screen for many things. It should have layed out the shortcuts for you.

[ember moon]

apparently it does not have it for the tractor saying E to get out I just checked

[ember moon]

Trust me they are fun

until you spend 7 hours learning why your trains are not moving

YIPEEEEEEEEEEEE

[sullen gull]

You're right. Though, one would assume if you pressed E to get in ..... 😛

[dense violet]

trains are easy if you make simple systems
2 lanes, stations to the side, basically done

[golden elbow]

I got into automation games from factorio, my most recent run involved over 300 running at once... I will strive for as many trains as physically possible

[dense violet]

satisfactory trains are very different..

[ember moon]

ive been learning trains for 2 dyas and have expanded to over 400 trains on my main save