satisfactory

[sullen gull]

Should to the right of the computer in the hub. On the wall

The computer used to complete milestones... not the one in the lounge area

[fresh umbra]

ty

[fresh umbra]

guys how do i use the chainshaw? i made it but it wont cut anything

[teal geyser]

You need a fuel source for it

[fresh umbra]

how do i acces the fuel bit

[teal geyser]

It automatically burns it from your inventory

[fresh umbra]

alr thanks

[fast ruin]

My base eating 500 cable a minute holding on dear life cause my cable production is like 120 from 50 hours ago

i really need to find caterium + copper node to crank up that production

cause phase 4 materials are expensive AF

[teal geyser]

Have you tried Pure Copper Ingot recipe yet?

[fast ruin]

i don't have it, i have the mixed caterium one tho

also i only have impure copper nodes

also i doesn't increase that much the production

i'd rather get iron wire

[untold berry]

whaats this item called again?
https://i.imgur.com/4LOaQxQ.png

[fast ruin]

or copper alloy ingots

frame something

Versatile Framework

[eager tusk]

Is the adhered iron plate any good? Its 3 plates with 1 rubber = 1 reinforced iron plate

[plain gate]

yeah its the standard for calcaulator but idk if thats worth the effort to u

considering iron is an infinite basically resource

[true mulch]

It's really good when you're already importing rubber (or oil in general) for something else

But I wouldn't go out of my way to use oil to make an iron part otherwise

There's a series of steel+oil recipes

[zealous urchin]

i think its usefull when u have some excess of rubber/plastic but i wouldnt count on it when making a bulk of them

its more of a question regarding logistics and refineriy/fluid tolerance

[true mulch]

It's actually really good for making large amounts

[zealous urchin]

since plubber is not something u need to save on

[sullen gull]

Is plubber the term used now to describe the recycled alt setup? 😛

[unkempt blade]

no you're thinking of the classic robin williams movie I think

[sullen gull]

OOhh, thanks ... I needed something to watch tonight! 😏

[peak furnace]

I’ve set up miners for iron and copper, along with a smelter and a constructor. I’ve just finished the tutorial. Did I mess things up, or am I on the right track?

[zealous urchin]

bout to smoke that good cuh plubber pack now fr fr

[sullen gull]

Shoot ... I just may make it a Robin Williams night actually ..... 🤔 But where to start ...

[zealous urchin]

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[vernal stag]

yo i am new to the game is there anyone who wants to join me if their new to

[wispy osprey]

I love this creature

[zealous urchin]

creature feature

[wispy osprey]

Yes!!

[zealous urchin]

apparently there is popeye movie with him xD
mad spinach buff

[peak furnace]

They’re powered by the biomass I collect around my base. Isn’t there any way to automate that?

[spare cradle]

I found the south border

[zealous urchin]

#1201555265942724758

[zealous urchin]

u can make biomass into solid fuel but normaly the 1st automated power is coal so gotta unlock it first

[teal geyser]

You can't automate the collection of biomass sadly, but the burners have belt inputs on the back of them so you can automate the rest of it

[zealous urchin]

also there is no way to mess up if u are doing hub progresion

[peak furnace]

Okok

[sullen gull]

He's got over 100 films 😲

[teal geyser]

Doesn't sound messed up. How would it be?

[peak furnace]

I’m about to start Tier 1 soon, I can’t wait

[spare cradle]

Have fun

[peak furnace]

Just asking to be sure

[spare cradle]

Should I go nab that purp slug?

Off I go

[plain gate]

yes 🔥

[zealous urchin]

hustler

[tame bobcat]

ayyy im so happy, set up my 20 computers a min and had enough power spare to sloop some extra FINALLY

[unkempt blade]

more!!!

[spare cradle]

Solid Steel Ingot.

[eager harbor]

Is it normal to have cod

[unkempt blade]

coke steel!

[zealous urchin]

compact steel

😎

[zealous urchin]

everyone played call of duty at some point

[eager harbor]

No I meant the disorder not cod

Ocd I meant

[sullen gull]

Usually prefer tuna or salmon myself...

[eager harbor]

Guys I found 2 pure iron and 2 limestone pure deposits

But copper is impure what should I do

[sullen gull]

Whatever your heart desires... so llong as you're saving those kittens and puppies 😏

[tame bobcat]

the goal is to have 50 per min 🙏

[sullen gull]

No Steel! 😛

[zealous urchin]

can you beat satisfactory without steel?

iron pipe, molded
flexi frame

[sullen gull]

Not without making it very early on.

[eager harbor]

Guys I found 2 pure limestone and iron deposits

But copper is impure

What should I do

[zealous urchin]

well some but later on i think u can lol

[sullen gull]

But yes, you're able to eliminate steel with alu beams and iron pipe

[eager harbor]

^^

[zealous urchin]

alu beam xD

[eager harbor]

HELP

[merry granite]

what do you want us to do

make the copper pure?

[unkempt blade]

alu beam into screws is the pinnacle of satisfactory

[merry granite]

im not a state alchemist

[eager tusk]

Is the crysal computer alt recipe good? IT's 3 circuit bords and 1 oscillator for 2 computers

[sullen gull]

Not to be 'mean', but we can't play the game for ya 😏 . Just take a look at what parts you need to make what and go from there 🙂

[reef basin]

all recipes are "good"

[sullen gull]

All alts are good alts 🙂

[eager harbor]

No i mean the copper deposit is so far away from irn and limestone deposits

[fresh umbra]

does anyone know why my conveyor are bending and not straight?

[sullen gull]

What are you considering "so far away"?

[eager harbor]

700 meters

[sullen gull]

press R to change build mode, mouse wheel to rotate (when not in straight)

[hasty stump]

are you building in straight mode? and are you connecting two items that are aligned horizontally and vertically?

[sullen gull]

Yeah, not "that" far really.

[merry granite]

thats pretty far for a starter factory

maybe see if you can find an area with limestone, copper and iron close together

[unkempt blade]

it's the only computer recipe where you can use screws as part of production so it's clearly the best one

[sullen gull]

Only if you think it's far ....

[zealous urchin]

its all right, all computer alts are viable, depends on what resource u want to draw i to it

quartz isnt a limiting factor for any build in this game and doesnt have many uses unlike caterium which is way more useful and versitile, basic comp is still good but ofc ur basic resource draw will increase alot

[fresh umbra]

ty

[sullen gull]

I will say, while I am amazed at the scale in the game, the map does seem to get 'smaller' with HT cannon's 😏

[zealous urchin]

good ht canon is almost a body flicker

[twin helm]

Off topic but can anyone recommend a video that shows ways of supporting second floors etc without having pillars everywhere, as i wanna be pretty realistic w my building and cant figure it out for myself

[unkempt blade]

crystal computers + silicon circuit boards is a fun build if someone is going in on quartz

[zealous urchin]

its not a build
its a lifestyle

[sullen gull]

I'd say scroll through #screenshots and #design-and-architecture . You can put 'has: image has: video' in the search on discord for the designs channel and find some cool ideas.

[severe pewter]

You're getting into engineering at that point. Without using math, I find it's much easier to build the design first, and then fit the machines, rather than trying to shape the building around everything. -But I'm also not great at the design side.

[tranquil saffron]

walls 😂

you can use beams too instead of pillars if you don't want those big chonky things

[sullen gull]

oh, just search 'structural design' on youtube/google. But, then again, there's no "weight" listed for the machines and such ... and it would change with item qty ... sooooo 😛

[unkempt blade]

you mean like this? #screenshots message

[zealous urchin]

quality ragebait

feels good

[sullen gull]

I'd think that is more the bait 😏

[unkempt blade]

hey I'm just out here trying to suggest some incredibly realistic support designs

[severe pewter]

I don't know if more than one or two engineers play this game - or if they do it's just for the satisfaction of the production. But I'd bet this game has quite a few architects.

[zealous urchin]

bro is a menace

[zealous urchin]

ive been seen through and uno reversed time to zoom away in my turbo cart

[unkempt blade]

All I know is rainbows are the strongest structure in nature. Look how much they can hold up #screenshots message

[zealous urchin]

damn, not only csn hold itself but also float and emanate aura

[twin helm]

On another note, circles are easy, but are ovals possible

[severe pewter]

Second-strongest, if you've witnessed the balls of some people

[zealous urchin]

truth seeker orb is pretty strong ball ngl

[zealous urchin]

they should be, it depends on ones willingness to engage in painted beam freeform action tho

[severe pewter]

Anybody else use beams to nudge pixel alignment and still get things to align with the grid?

But beam freeform is fun

-until it refuses to be symmetrical

[unkempt blade]

those are the best kind of shapes!

[severe pewter]

My favorite so far (hold up, gotta move it all the way over here first):

jumps through myriad hoops

[feral jay]

"Myraid" is such an awesome word

It has myriad uses

[sullen gull]

a* of*

[feral jay]

Both are correct, that's why it's so awesome

[unkempt blade]

a myriad of grammars!

[sullen gull]

Huh, TIL 😛

[severe pewter]

#screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

I'm pretty sure the prime myriadian runs through the bamboo forest

[spare cradle]

Mmm, 300mv for a single hard drive

[severe pewter]

I hate the bamboo forest almost as much as I hate the buffed spiders.

[hazy void]

how do i mine caterium?

[severe pewter]

Same way you mine anything else

[spare cradle]

I'll be running my power to here for other stuff, but damn.

[feral jay]

You train doggos to mine it for you

[hazy void]

is that a legitimate asnwer?

[feral jay]

no

[hazy void]

thank god

[severe pewter]

From me, yes. You just need to find the nodes

[hazy void]

i did, cant place a miner

[severe pewter]

Did you unlock the research for it yet? It is possible to find the nodes before they're useable stares at water

[hazy void]

i have it researhced in the mam

oh damn no i dont

i CAN research it

[wispy osprey]

Climbing a mountain is an uphill battle

[hazy void]

dude i still cant palce a miner

[severe pewter]

Try restarting?

[hazy void]

theres like this big rock thing over the caterium

[tired cypress]

Blow it up

[severe pewter]

Oh. Well that's a whole different problem. You need to blow the rock up first.

[hazy void]

ffs

[severe pewter]

-it's much more annoying though, when you place everything, do all the work, and the Game Update re-adds all the foliage, rocks, and monsters you spent hours removing.

[tired cypress]

That's what nukes are for

[eager harbor]

How to use chainsaw

[wispy osprey]

I swear there's one limestone node that's a very uneven surface

[tired cypress]

You need solid biofuel in inventory IIRC

[wispy osprey]

Solid biofuel. Mushrooms are good for this

[eager harbor]

Bro am still in bushes

[wispy osprey]

Mushrooms give more solid biofuel than wood

[tired cypress]

Those work too (for making the fuel), it'll just take more of them

[eager harbor]

How to find mushrooms

[severe pewter]

Are you sure you want to know?

[eager harbor]

Yes

[tired cypress]

Look for caves, try to pluck shrooms before the spiders get you

[eager harbor]

I put mobs on retaliation

[eager harbor]

Also uh is there a way to delete items

[severe pewter]

WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPIDERS?!?

Why couldn't we follow the butterflies??

[sullen gull]

But they don't actually retaliate 🙁

[tired cypress]

There's a trash icon in the inventory you can drag to

Or hang on to them until you get back to a sink for a few extra points

[sullen gull]

And you can hold ctrl for all similar as well

[wispy osprey]

Wait till you see other variants

I hate how they crawl around

[tired cypress]

They make some pretty awful sounds too

[severe pewter]

I hate the way they ghast-click, and then jump

[wispy osprey]

I see a big one and wish I had a nuke on me

[tired cypress]

It is funny though when they jump, miss, and fall off a cliff

[sullen gull]

Or when you catch them fighting hogs and spitters 😏

[severe pewter]

Or you hit it with explosives and it gets stuck in the wall. But can still jump and hit you

[eager harbor]

Wait so solid biofuel allows us to get chainsaw which allows us to get more wood for more biofuel

[wispy osprey]

Radioactive Hogs piss me off

[tired cypress]

Ugh, had a wallhacking hog once. Couldn't hit him at all but it could still throw rocks

[eager harbor]

Can we use solid biofuel is biofuel burner?

[wispy osprey]

It's how fuel works, and yes

[severe pewter]

Welcome to the world of overhead cost

[eager harbor]

[spare cradle]

Hmm, Molded Steel or Cheap Silica

[wispy osprey]

Molded steel

[tired cypress]

You use a bit of fuel to get a bunch of fuel

[wispy osprey]

Silica is already cheap

[spare cradle]

Solid steel Ingot then since the other is just charcoal

[wispy osprey]

Or you can reload the save and reroll

[spare cradle]

No save scumming

[wispy osprey]

It's a viable and less time consuming strat

[sullen gull]

You can also just leave things in the list. It will them remove them from the pool the next time you scan a drive.

[eager harbor]

When will I finally get coal 😭

[wispy osprey]

It took me over an hour to get recycled plastic and rubber alternates. If I didn't follow it then, I won't follow that rule now

[eager harbor]

Roar

[spare cradle]

Phase 1.

[eager harbor]

Roar

[severe pewter]

You misspelt rawr :3

[wispy osprey]

☢️

"Hey this giant tree forest is neat"

25 radioactive large hogs:

[severe pewter]

That's me hunting for Somersloops & Mercer Spheres with nothing but explosives, berries, a jetpack, and a scanner:

scanner points at rock

"Oh, it's inside the radioactive rock you say? And it's guarded by three radioactive hogs?"

Lately I've gotten impatient and mined the rocks anyway. Just have to keep dropping the hot potatoes.

[trim sundial]

Im confused, i was told you can learn all of the alternative recipes.

[sullen gull]

You can

[severe pewter]

You think it's easy to collect everything?

[sullen gull]

You can throw the uranium in the trash can

Just not nuke waste.

[severe pewter]

Can you really? I never tried

That would make things faster though

[sullen gull]

ffr

[fresh umbra]

guys where do i spend my christmas presents

[severe pewter]

He wanna talk about presents...

[trim sundial]

I cant scan any more hard disks, i had two options, i hit re scan to see if i had any more options and the same two appeared so i picked one, that should mean i have one more left (the one i didnt pick) but now i cant scan any more hard disks

[sullen gull]

What phase/tier are you?

[severe pewter]

Afaik, you can only unlock alts for recipes you can actually craft. So if it's not unlocked, the alt's not gonna show up in the gacha

[sullen gull]

Check your craft bench I believe. And recipes in the different machines. if I recall though, you make some things, you'll need assemblers. Not sure about refineries. I only did a bit of ficsmas last year.

[severe pewter]

You start by running them through a crafter to make holly or something. You take that to the MAM to begin unlocking the rest.

Just don't skip the nativity calender, or w/e the 28-day calendar is called, over at the starting building.

[wicked nacelle]

advent calendar

[fresh umbra]

i thought the calander has 25 days

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch ficsmas

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=ficsmas

[severe pewter]

It has more than two

[fresh umbra]

im brand new bro 🙏

[trim sundial]

The two choices were an alternarte for a computer, and the ai limiter, i have both of those unlocked

[severe pewter]

But I think you're right with the 25

[sullen gull]

I presumed 😉

[tired cypress]

There has to be more than one left since it has to offer two at a time

[fresh umbra]

should i use the nuke obelisk

does it power my base

[sullen gull]

Bascially saying that you are also going to have to work on your normal milestones to get access to the other machines.

[severe pewter]

Including the tech to make the alt?

[tired cypress]

No. It makes a big kaboom.

[sullen gull]

Lol, biiig badaboom ... and some radioactivity for like 30 seconds or something.

[trim sundial]

Ohhhh, good point i didnt really take a close look. Why were the alternatives even offered then, that makes no sense

[sullen gull]

But, You need the detonator first. Can research under the Sulfur tree in the MAM

Which you also may not have yet 😛

[severe pewter]

Fun fact, you don't need to unlock those if you have pets. Sometimes they'll bring some back.

[sullen gull]

Not the detonator though 😏

[severe pewter]

True

[tired cypress]

If there were only two unlocks left, rescan had to give those again. Now you picked one, so there's one left, which isn't enough to give you two to choose from, so that last one is locked out until you progress further

[sullen gull]

Idk if you're in here, but this build is super sexeh. Save is posted, I'm about to check it out : https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1q26cdw/my_aluminium_factory_whats_your_favorite_part/

[severe pewter]

I still need to start the aluminum. Might be able to cheat the existing belts by upgrading and converting to sushi, but still

There is also the yet-unused underground railroad...

[severe pewter]

The Evil Genius HQ looks quite nice, just needs lava. Also looks way better than anything I can come up with

[tired cypress]

Nicer than mine

[spiral summit]

is there a way to put blueprints into other blueprints

[sullen gull]

Yes

[versed cosmos]

yeah just place it

[sullen gull]

Place it just like you would build the bp outside of a bpd

[spiral summit]

i did that before and it didnt save it

[sullen gull]

Have to becareful if you nudge it down past the base too far. It will show blue, but it's not actually in the bpd

[coral marsh]

can drone's carry unpackaged liquids? i'm assuming not

[feral jay]

It's how you turn a Mk.1 blueprint into a Mk.2 blueprint - you can't load the Mk.1 blueprint in the Mk.2 blueprinter, but you can place it down into the Mk.2 blueprinter

[coral marsh]

yea i figured, all goods i'll use a train

[wispy osprey]

I spammed full health inhalers

[spiral summit]

so it disappears only if its not in the bp?

[sullen gull]

Yeah, it doesn't actually register as being in the designer

[sullen gull]

LIke, when you're placing it, and assuming maybe nudging it into place, does it go red, then blue again?

[spiral summit]

wait wtf

how have i merged blueprints

nevermind its just blueprints in superposition

[trim sundial]

Wow i just picked up a detail i didnt notice before. I know when you sloop a machine it has an alien look to it but i just now noticed the sounds it makes,

[tame bobcat]

is SCIM down rn?

oh nvm checked it is

[sullen gull]

Seems to have been having issues all day :/

[feral jay]

It was down earlier, I assume he's doing updates

[wispy osprey]

Why does that website have so many ads

[feral jay]

Because running a service like that isn't free

[tame bobcat]

damn. looks like the heavy modular frame factory is gonna have to wait till tommorow

[visual vessel]

What is Scim ?

[sullen gull]

It doesn't with Ublock.

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/

[tame bobcat]

satisfactory calculator interactive map

[feral jay]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com great website

[visual vessel]

Ah okay

[sullen gull]

You have a PC?

[tame bobcat]

my fav thing is the production planner its so helpful, shame its down rn

[wispy osprey]

I'm aware it isn't but it's almost malicious, and very heavy, scrolling (tapping my phone screen) opens another ad page

[tame bobcat]

wdym

[sullen gull]

Check out Satisfactory Modeler on Steam (free)

[wispy osprey]

Or an ad covers the entire screen

[feral jay]

Letting ads on your page and yet still keeping those ads out is... difficult

[tame bobcat]

oh alr, will have a look thx

[wispy osprey]

I believe I'm using the correct website too

But this is actually very stupid and encourages me to get an ad block app

I need to keep the map open and the site won't let me do that for extended periods

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ No ads here. But as I said, using Ublock Origin.

[versed cosmos]

ublock origin is so fuckin good

blocks trackers too

[sullen gull]

But, I also sub to his patreon, so I don't feel bad about blocking them 🙂

[feral jay]

I just use adblock all the time on everything, but I don't begrudge people for putting ads on their sites

I file the odd bug report on that site, that's how I justify it

[sullen gull]

Psssh, you mean everyone doesn't use a Pihole?! 😏

[feral jay]

By giving the poor guy more work lol

[sullen gull]

It was his quick response help with fixing something that sold me on the patreon. And the fact that I use it pretty much daily 🤣

[spare cradle]

Almost done with phase 2 :D

[feral jay]

https://discord.com/channels/156642424339300352/800631787197956107 is the server and channel for SCIM btw

[spare cradle]

Had to fix the conveyors in since they just took all of them in, and once one was completed it jammed that conveyer

[mellow mason]

how did i only just realise that the side of the conveyor lift is just the same as the side of its equivalent conveyor.....

[sullen gull]

Wait till to see the final tier lifts 🙂 (If you haven't already)

[mellow mason]

ive never gotten that far lol

i only just noticed because of how big tier 4 is lol

[feral jay]

Teir 4? Oh, my sweet summer child...

[mellow mason]

i meant mk4 conveyor

[feral jay]

haha

[sullen gull]

My fault lol, should have said last mk lift 😛

[mellow mason]

lol

basically the same thing

phase 4 conveyors

[feral jay]

I recently unlocked Mk.5 belts, I've got encased beams out the wazoo now as I upgrade them all

[mellow mason]

hmm

im just working on making a massive copper factory to uhh copper

[feral jay]

Mk.5 belts I always found to be easier becuse to set up aluminium well, you can't really do less than 3 or 4 hundred a minute

[mellow mason]

ye

[feral jay]

Encased beams are easy to set up jank so I never quite have enough

[mellow mason]

lol

my factory for them hasnt been running for ages cos i forgot to plug in the conveyor after a change

but the storage is still full

[feral jay]

That can never happen on this playthrough of mine, the challenge I've set for myself is that no machine can ever idle

[mellow mason]

damn lol

[feral jay]

(except sinks)

[lapis shadow]

Sometimes when you walk around your hypertube cannons it's not unusual to be sucked in by accident. However sometimes, I get pulled in and I'm unable to get out (loop hypercannon, not a stragith tube), I also notice that I speed up considerably faster and drop frames just as fast. Anyone know why this happens? I always end up having to use task maanger to close the game when that happens

[mellow mason]

tbf they wont be idling once im done, just got my steel area on the backburner rn

[feral jay]

Like as in, if there's single constructor idling halfway across the map, I can see the power fluctuation from my base

...interesting challenge

I'm finding that I need to build much slower a lot of the time, to allow factories to fully "spool up"

[severe pewter]

It would be much harder if every machine had to run at exactly 100%

[mellow mason]

damn lol sounds like quite a challenge

[feral jay]

Yes, every machine must run at 100% effeciency, but not 100% clock rate

[severe pewter]

I meant clock rate

[feral jay]

I'm pretty sure every machine at 100% effeciency and clock rate would be impossible

[severe pewter]

Doubt it. Would be finnicky though, and there'd be sunk waste here and there.

[feral jay]

There'll always be times when you need 5 solution refineries feeding 2.5 ingot refineries, for example

[mellow mason]

and u would need 2 trillion power cells

[versed cosmos]

You could do it if you just have a lot of overflow sent to sink

[feral jay]

But perhaps after this challenge I could try it

[versed cosmos]

Although fluids would get tricky

Trying to work on aluminium right now and it suuuucks lol

Tbh it's not even fluids that are bothering me though it's just the high volume I'm trying to work with

[feral jay]

Even now, I'm aware that because the game is only accurate to six decimal places, some machines produce 10 more iron plates per year than I want them to, so they'll idle at some point

[mellow mason]

they do WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-my-money-back-pay-me-money-back-demand-payment-gif-14983401

idc that that gif failed xD

[hazy void]

how do i manueally unload the train?

[feral jay]

If I have a constructor that at 100% produces 60 iron plates a minute, but I only need 40 a minute, I can set it to 66.6667%, but that's 10 extra plates per year

[versed cosmos]

open its inventory and take the stuff out

[mellow mason]

should be able to just click e on the train carriage ye

[versed cosmos]

exactly like a storage container

or drive the train to a station and it should prompt you to unload

if the platform is set to unload

[feral jay]

Or press F to dock?

[versed cosmos]

yea that

[mellow mason]

thats not rlly manual tho

[severe pewter]

Or just use the other 20 for something.

[feral jay]

Sure, but that only works if I can consume exactly ten plates per year... like I said, it's an... interesting challenge

[versed cosmos]

send overflow to sink

[feral jay]

Yeah I sink a lot of excess

[versed cosmos]

gotta get that golden nut somehow

[feral jay]

I have mucho mucho tickets, the golden nut will not be an issue

[versed cosmos]

buy parts with ur coupons just to annoy ada

[fresh umbra]

how do i make a infinite fuel source as a new player?

[versed cosmos]

you mean advanced game settings?

[feral jay]

Infinite power period, or infinite power given infinite time?

[versed cosmos]

like you want to turn off the need for power?

[fresh umbra]

no i want to create infinite power legit

[feral jay]

Then cheat

[fresh umbra]

like a machines or something

[mellow mason]

well coal power is prob your best option

[versed cosmos]

yeah u gonna have to cheat for that

[feral jay]

Just turn off power requirements in avanced game settings

[versed cosmos]

why do you want this anyway

[mellow mason]

do they just mean infinite as it stays online? maybe theyre comparing it to a biofuel burner

[feral jay]

ohhhhh

[hasty stump]

TIL that this exists!

[fresh umbra]

i dont like biofuel bcs i need to refuel

[feral jay]

Maybe as opposed to biofuel that you need to constantly restock?

[fresh umbra]

i mean like automated power source

[versed cosmos]

yeah you need to get coal power

[mellow mason]

yes, get to the next tier and use coal power

[feral jay]

Coal

[versed cosmos]

feeding biofuel gens is part of the early game struggle

[severe pewter]

I mean, find a way to use all 60 min. Then there are no rounding errors. Plus, 99.9999% ≠ 100%

[fresh umbra]

thats why i researched chainsaw first lol

but with overclock its going down so fast now

[versed cosmos]

something i find helps is going to a biome dense with foliage and just tearing it down with an empty inventory

[feral jay]

yep it's a very very small rounding error, but it will become apparent at a large enough scale

[versed cosmos]

Small enough to not matter

[feral jay]

It matters with this challenge

[hasty stump]

deforest the northern forest

[mellow mason]

for now just add more biofuel burners

[mellow mason]

and also this ^

[fresh umbra]

also guys where do i make smart plating

it dosent show on the bench

[mellow mason]

on an assembler

gotta automate it

[versed cosmos]

you can only make it with an assembler

[hasty stump]

yea project assembly parts can't be handcrafted

[feral jay]

You can't make them in the bench, you need an assembler to make them

[fresh umbra]

okay what parts do i combine into it

[versed cosmos]

reinforced iron plates and rotors

[hasty stump]

you don't have to fully automate though, you can hand feed into an assembler if you like

[feral jay]

!wikisearch smart_plating

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=smart_plating

[versed cosmos]

the game should teach you this stuff man

[mellow mason]

btw if u press O you can see all the items and their recipes and where to make them

[fresh umbra]

thank you

[severe pewter]

Iron plates and screws I think? It's one of the more useful to Alt in early game

[versed cosmos]

you should have reinforced plates and rotors automated btw youll be using a lot of them

[fresh umbra]

thx i didnt know this

[feral jay]

heh you musta skipped parts of the onboarding

[versed cosmos]

also press n to get a search bar

[mellow mason]

can also use it as a calculator

[versed cosmos]

yes that too

[feral jay]

and a calculator

[versed cosmos]

but u can search for smart plating in there

yes that too!

[hasty stump]

one of the nicer QoL features in this game

[mellow mason]

that opens the same menu that O opens too

but its like instant search

[fresh umbra]

thank you guys

[sullen gull]

Does it ever actually say this during onboarding? Or about hitting N?

[severe pewter]

If you want some general estimates for starting, 2000~2500 screws, 480 iron rods?, and 240~270 sheets should last til aluminum

[sullen gull]

I just went through it earlier and I don't recall seeing anything about it

[feral jay]

yanno, I'm not sure actually

[fresh umbra]

also one last question guys, how do i save the game. i cant find any buttons

[sullen gull]

Esc menu

[mellow mason]

on the pause menu there is big text saying save game

[feral jay]

Actually is there a quicksave?

[sullen gull]

It should also save every 5 minutes by default.

[feral jay]

I keep meaning to look that up

[hasty stump]

i think there is still no quicksave

[versed cosmos]

quick save would be really nice

[mellow mason]

yeah like on skyrim lol

[fresh umbra]

ah lol idk how i missed that thx

[sullen gull]

No 😒

[feral jay]

Like on every single player game ever made except this one lol

[versed cosmos]

let me quicksave before i try fighting the big green spider with a xeno zapper

[mellow mason]

xD

you save scummer!!

[sullen gull]

Or before I scan.. er .. neeeever mind 😏

[mellow mason]

before i HARVEST

[hasty stump]

real men would do this on ironman mode, if it existed 😁

[feral jay]

Before I reroll the hard drives

[versed cosmos]

OR before i try making this jump

[sullen gull]

I have totally saved Just to make sure I save a specific tree when doing some "landscaping" 🤣

[severe pewter]

But you've gotta save scum to play underground

[mellow mason]

wth would ironman mode even be lol? no awesome shop parts shop xD?

[versed cosmos]

im not the only person who tries to preserve the nature of their world!

[feral jay]

Once you've got a hypertube clipping blueprint or two that gets a lot easier

[hasty stump]

nah, game just ends permanently if you die

[mellow mason]

oh lmao

[versed cosmos]

i love having trees near my factories

[feral jay]

Install the Gardener's Toolkit mod. When you type /sorryhannah into the chat window, it respawns flora

[mellow mason]

doesnt sound particularly efficient.... leaving untapped biomass

[versed cosmos]

oooooooh

[versed cosmos]

its ok the local wildlife provides it

[mellow mason]

i say burn it all

[versed cosmos]

also, theyre objecting to the ficsit mission and must be eliminated

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[severe pewter]

Not when you're trying to drag a pipe from Point A to Point B, aligned to grid, from inside a rock, inside another rock, which is inside a hill formation, attached to a larger rock, trying to see, without getting stuck in any weird one-sided corners

[feral jay]

Weird flex, but that does sound cool

[hasty stump]

fortunately they are proficient at receiving blunt force trauma

[severe pewter]

It's fun. Sometimes you'll accidentally end up swimming underground, and sometimes you'll find places you shouldn't be able to put a water extractor.

[mellow mason]

how do u build circles like that lol

[versed cosmos]

i swear water extractors sometimes dont work in water i think should be deep enough but can be placed in a rain puddle lol

[feral jay]

You ask @dense violet for advice on how to do it

[sullen gull]

The Before was done the Vannilla ways. Now I use a mod callled CurveBuilder.

[versed cosmos]

im building in the swamp and its actually almost hard to find water that's deep enough

[mellow mason]

ah interesting, ill prob use mods on my next playthru

[severe pewter]

Wanna see my favorite pump?

[mellow mason]

last time i accidentally stumbled into there 4 large spiders jumped out at me xD.... never again

[sullen gull]

Sometimes I have found that there are other factors too. I have had them not work when part of a bluerint was in the way, foundations, beams, etc. And the water was definately deep enough.

[versed cosmos]

the swamp is one of the only places i found that would work well for the aluminium i want to build

[hasty stump]

nothing your trusty rebar gun shouldn't be able to handle 😂

[versed cosmos]

mostly that its FLAT

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I didn't start until towards the end of my third :P. Dabbled a bit in my second with zoop and nudge, but uninstalled and continued with vanilla.

[severe pewter]

Aye, something about extractors reducing the remaining "depth" of an area

[feral jay]

#screenshots message and there's MY weird flex... max consumption EXACTLY equals current consumption

[hasty stump]

all biomes are flat if you build high enough

[versed cosmos]

yeah but i dont wanna build sky platforms lol

[mellow mason]

ive tried satisfactory plus before... was crazy weird lol

[sullen gull]

Dunno about that tbh.

[severe pewter]

I've seen it happen with pools of water, where you could place in point A, and Point B, which didn't overlap, but the game wouldn't allow both

[feral jay]

Extractors do not affect water depth, sea level is an absolute constant.

[versed cosmos]

crazy how we can use either fresh or salt water and the machines never break or get salt building up

[severe pewter]

Imagine if you had to do a separate bit of salt processing

[feral jay]

eh, I don't see salt and/or desalinators adding anything of value to the game

[hasty stump]

those water extractors have built in desalination 😁

[sullen gull]

Heh, The automation is 'easymode' for me tbh. I am more interested in building intricit and awesome designs like Kimper and his friend (can't recall his name atm), Hornslet, and many others.

[mellow mason]

lol

[versed cosmos]

honestly this is a great explanation

[severe pewter]

Batteries

[versed cosmos]

BUT how tf can i add WATER to heavy oil residue and get more fuel out of it

[sullen gull]

That's not exactly true either. you can reach a point off the coasts where you get the resourece not deep enough, and, the water level seems to get higher the farther out to go 😛

[feral jay]

How tf can my platforms just... float there?

[severe pewter]

I mean, water burns if you separate the oxygen from the hydrogen first

[versed cosmos]

exactly!!!

[mellow mason]

its called average corporation's "pure" fuel

[rustic hare]

probably some emulsifier it pulled out of the air

[versed cosmos]

and it becomes water again!

[sullen gull]

Ohhh, I've done that! It's fun! 😛

[rustic hare]

flawed logic, literally unplayable

[junior sundial]

What’s the best way to get concrete

[rustic hare]

wet

have it already mixed from the factory

[spare cradle]

Tier 5 req though.

[hasty stump]

mere gravity obviously does not apply to platforms and anything on them

[versed cosmos]

introducing the all new ficsit foundations, gravity optional!

[rustic hare]

wouldn't need an elevator so high if they thought to build it on said platforms /s

[severe pewter]

Different universe in a time long, long ago...

[feral jay]

Best as in most concrete per limestone, or best as in easiest, or best as in most power effiecient, or best as in most time effecient, or best as in most space effecient? (you need to define "best" first...)

[sullen gull]

Could you imagine if they all of the sudden just patched and there was gravity!? The saves that fell across the world 🤣

[rustic hare]

I just want my stuff wet >:(

[versed cosmos]

this the kind of stuff that happens in fantasy worlds and gets called "The Tragedy"

[hasty stump]

every single one of my saves immediately crashes into wreckage

[versed cosmos]

1000 years ago ofc

[feral jay]

That's what SHE said!

[junior sundial]

Which ever way gets me the most the fastest

[severe pewter]

After the first 15 minutes of physics calculation

[feral jay]

Mine limestone, build lots of constructors

Use the classic recipe

[sullen gull]

Wet concrete alt

[junior sundial]

Wdym

[severe pewter]

I vaguely remember having a favorite alt, hang on

[sullen gull]

Go hard drive huntin!

That is, if you've unlocked refineries ...

[feral jay]

Also, "the most" and "the fastest" are mutually exclusive. You can only pick one of those. Some recipes will produce it faster, and others will produce more concrete per limestone.

Generally the answer to "How do I get more of this faster" is "mine more, and build more machines"

[severe pewter]

Wet Concrete is pretty nice, instead of the 3::1 rate of regular concrete, Wet Concrete is a 3::2 plus water

Fine Concrete is better still if you have the silica to spare

[feral jay]

FIne concrete is... meh. Sure I have spare silica, but it's a byproduct of some other process, and I don't want to make my heavy frames factory dependent on my plastic production's byproduct.

So I just sink it for tickets, and the ticket printer go brrrrrr

[severe pewter]

(silica is easy to make though)

[trim sundial]

This is something i had to brain power with. I switched my ingots and concrete to being refinery made lol, the out put from the wet concrete is very nice

[severe pewter]

I did that with the copper, super nice

[feral jay]

Refineries... refineries everywhere... (motions to sky with hand)

[versed cosmos]

god damn you need so many refineries when you start getting into oil and aluminium

ive taken to just overclocking them rather than building more

[trim sundial]

I like the move to refinery, dont regret it. I feel like they may be longer but they arnt as wide so you can fit more of them side by side, might be just an illusion though

[versed cosmos]

not as wide as what?

[severe pewter]

Just use the power of friendship

[trim sundial]

As wide as like smelters or foundrys

[versed cosmos]

i think theyre about the same as foundrys

[feral jay]

Ficsit® does not approve of having friends, they are inefficient and distract you from saving kittens and puppies.

[severe pewter]

Refineries work well in manifolds. Vertically they take up a ton of room, but it's not impossible to stack them

[versed cosmos]

obv theyre wider than smelters but maybe for the amount youre getting the footprint is smaller?

[severe pewter]

That's why I've seen people build factories half-way to the space station

[feral jay]

I built one, once, where the roof was beyond the vertical border

Sure you really need to use the 3rd dimension, but I don't recommend it at THAT extreme

[severe pewter]

Lately, I've been doing some of the pre-merger prep either locally, or on-site below ground.

[feral jay]

Oops I left my sinks off too long by accident, now my power graph is all fucky

Factories all backed up

[versed cosmos]

turn miners off and just let the system clear out

[severe pewter]

Ever heard of 4D Minecraft btw? If somebody could figure out how to render this game with that engine, we'd all suddenly have a lot more room to build

[versed cosmos]

come back in an hour and turn back on

[feral jay]

SInks have their own circuit but miners don't

[versed cosmos]

oh huh

[feral jay]

It'll settle down soon enough

[versed cosmos]

variable power grid and invariable power grid?

[feral jay]

yea exactly

Many power grids actually

Flexing my engineering chops this playthrough

[severe pewter]

You like numbers?

[feral jay]

I like predictability and the ability to control for error

[severe pewter]

Uh. So no, but by proxy, yes?

[feral jay]

I suppose yeah; numbers are a means to an end for me

[dense heron]

is this pure coal node on the bottom left unreasonably far from my factory (the one with foundations. feels like this is quite a ways to go but not sure whats typical. found one other pure close by and already mining that
https://imgur.com/a/GBPfTuu

[versed cosmos]

youll want to use that coal node for your steel production

[leaden turret]

-# means
-#
-# heh.

[feral jay]

No - realistically, that's pretty close - it's a very large map

[wicked nacelle]

it's a large map until you realize it's not. That's one of the major progressions in how people play the game is when they realize the map size isn't impactful

[hasty stump]

no, that's rather close relative to the full map size

[feral jay]

very true

[leaden turret]

regular reminder that:

• we have #screenshots
• we have #1038092680493801533
• we have #off-topic-media
• imgur blocks the UK

[feral jay]

WHen I start in the grasslands I wlayws use that coal node for black powder and compacted coal production, there's a sulphur node right next to it

[severe pewter]

I used one of those box trucks to route it up to the factory. Used a couple different locations that way actually. Works perfect, just have to keep the loop length a bit shorter than the total useage rate, uses very little fuel.

[dense heron]

ah okay, it's twice as far as anything else ive run to so i'll give it a go. thanks!

[wicked nacelle]

reminder that it's fine to ask questions here, too.

[feral jay]

imgur blocks the UK wait what?

How did I not know this?

[sullen gull]

I wasn't aware either heh

[severe pewter]

Best part is because it's coal (or sometimes compacted coal), the same material can be used to power the trucks

[dense heron]

i haven't dipped my toes in any of the vehicle stuff yet. i think i'm t4 or t5 and about to complete phase 2. this is pretty vertical but i guess you'd build a belt down and then the pick up spot? honestly no idea

[hasty stump]

i've run belts like 4x that distance but hey, i like belts

[wicked nacelle]

it's blocked because of dipshit rules about age verification in UK

[feral jay]

It makes sense with what's been happening there, but blocking fucking imgur? just... wow

[wicked nacelle]

no, imgur blocks the UK - they were told they'd be fined so they just shut it off

[versed cosmos]

i love my surveiilence state 👍

[sullen gull]

actually, imgur blocked the uk

[feral jay]

Well I guess it depends on who you ask but yeah that's a surprise to me

[sullen gull]

Because they don't want to go along with the new child data protection laws.

[feral jay]

yeah that

[wicked nacelle]

from a technical perspective it is imgur blocking requests from UK not UK blocking requests to imgur -- but the law as such could be considered the UK blocking imgur nontechnically 🙂

[severe pewter]

You build a depot for each location, pick a start point, and nascar it from the start point to every location in the loop, and finish where you started. Need to stay as far away from obstacles as possible, and add ramps where necessary. The vehicle will still force-run the loop even if an obstacle pops up later though.

[feral jay]

exactly

DIdn't know that was a thing these days

I've been following the news out of the UK with their child protection laws, but I was unaware of this

[dense heron]

interesting. maybe i'll give this a go

[severe pewter]

Also, it's been a hot minute, but I believe you need to come to a full stop at each station before continuing.

[wicked nacelle]

I suggest you completely ignore vehicles and just wait until you get trains to do anything other than belts or just... using your own inventory to move stuff

[leaden turret]

that's why I said imgur blocks the uk

[sullen gull]

@feral jay There is a waaaaave, I sees it! #screenshots message 🤣

[wicked nacelle]

yes, that was correct. I was responding to someone else's comment

[leaden turret]

similar thing with the gdpr, sites getting blocked in the uk because it's not cost-effective to comply

[oak nymph]

I'm so dumb I just realized you can type the production rate you want in the clock thing and not just adjust the % so there is infinite possibilities now 😭

[sullen gull]

That's not a great suggestion tbh though. Some find they have fine luck with vehicles 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

And formulas as well

[wicked nacelle]

I think it's a great suggestion

[hasty stump]

can also type formulas in either box

[feral jay]

I can eliminate that wave with the flip of a switch...

[sullen gull]

I mean, albeit a personal opinion sure 😛

[oak nymph]

Wdym?

[sullen gull]

What is it, a thermal gen? 😛

[wicked nacelle]

yes, but based on the reality of how crap vehicles are in this game

[feral jay]

yeah geothermals

[severe pewter]

If you want to run the loops efficiently, figure out how long it takes a full truck load of materials to be used. That's your time limit. From there, after done recording the path, start the loop with a timer, and time how long it takes to go to each station, fill up, and empty. Subtract the time limit from the loop time, and add a delay that's just under that amount. Maybe 10~15 seconds shorter? That way nothing has the opportunity to starve.

[feral jay]

They also have their own worldwide circuit

[wicked nacelle]

if you're moving coal then vehicles are tolerable -- or maybe steel because you have coal there.

but still better to just ignore them and use trains

[feral jay]

Vehicles are evil, clunky, and difficult to work with. I'll die on that hill.

It's a horribly janky UI imho

[trim sundial]

Ok weird...earlier i had a hard disk issue where i thought i had one option left but i couldnt scan a hard disk...and it was thought to be a need to progress more kinda fix...i just tried scanning a hard disk after like 2 hours just for giggles and now i can scan disks again

[severe pewter]

They haven't given me a hard time 🤷

[sullen gull]

Ie, you want to make 500 of something across 7 refineries, you can just put 500/7*2.5 in the clock rate

[oak nymph]

Oh nice

[feral jay]

yeah you can just enter an equation into the "target output" window

[hasty stump]

(500/7*2.5)*100 since it wants a percentage

[versed cosmos]

or just put 500/7 in the output section

[feral jay]

Or press N for the in-game calculator

[sullen gull]

I just wish you could "enter" and work from the answer heh

[feral jay]

Honestly they could make the calculator beter, and more integrated with the rest of the game, but I'm glad it's there

[leaden turret]

press N for Nalculator

[feral jay]

(I just have my PC's calculator shortcutted with win+enter though)

[fresh umbra]

is there any way to get rid of rocks?

[leaden turret]

[hasty stump]

certain ones are explodable with nobelisks, they usually look round with a bunch of cracks

[feral jay]

Some of the smaller rocks, yes, or the bigger rocks with cracks in them, but not the bigger rocks without cracks, they're part of the landscape. You need nobelisk/exposive rebar/snowballs first

[hasty stump]

and the green gas-belching rocks can also be nobelisked

[severe pewter]

I've never used it, a friend pointed that feature out. I'd always [Win]+[R] -> "calc" -> [Enter]

[wicked nacelle]

anything that makes poison gas can be blowed up

[sullen gull]

why the hell have I never thought of that 🤦‍♂️ I alt-tab way to much, then have to reopen the calc because I closed it last time, etc etc ..

[feral jay]

Well, I also have a classic desk calculator, but I was born in the 70s...

[hasty stump]

youngster

[feral jay]

boomer

[wicked nacelle]

hp48g(x)?

[hasty stump]

hell nah, gen x

[severe pewter]

Gateway 2000

[feral jay]

<-- xennial

Too young to be GenX and too old to be a Millenial

[sullen gull]

We were just talking about Ti-83's I keep one in my backpack, but I forget it in my truck a lot 😛

[feral jay]

Best reddit generation sub btw, it's just folks sharing and reminiscing

[wicked nacelle]

ti's are for posers

[hasty stump]

you qualify as GenX if born in the 70s but yea, probably the last few years of the 70s would be Xennial

[wicked nacelle]

RPN is where it's at

[feral jay]

Back in my day it was a TI-81

[sullen gull]

Ummmmm .... (had to check) Millenial .... just 🤣

[severe pewter]

Base-10 fingers ftw

[wicked nacelle]

base 20 - use your toes

or half fingers

[hasty stump]

same with r/GenX for the most part

[feral jay]

Yes, I learned how to use a printing calculator from my accountant father, I can add very large columns of very small numbers, and very quickly

[hasty stump]

i had an HP 15c back in the day

[severe pewter]

Those would be some nasty calculations. Base-20 200 would equal Base-10 16,000

[feral jay]

Hey that's what I need to play this game like an old dude... a printing calculator

[hasty stump]

if you're really hard core you use an abacus or a slide rule

[sullen gull]

That would be nice actually. I have a notebook that is just pages and pages of scribbles from the last year 🤣

[severe pewter]

currently printing the game at 6fpm

[feral jay]

I can use an abacus, but a slide rule is really only good for one-off calculations, not large amounts of additions, and large amounts of additions is what most of my Satisfactory calculations need

Oh I forgot to ask while the channel is busy, does anyone have recommendations for a popular Satisfactory youtuber or two, who would appeal to a ten year old?

I got the game for my nephew for xmas and he's loving it

I don't really do the youtube thing when it comes to getting tips and tricls

[severe pewter]

Anybody know if Bitz is PG? He's got some good builds, and plays a lot of Factory Building games besides

[feral jay]

eh, the odd bit of foul language would be fine

[lapis dome]

how often do i use pumps for pipelines?

[feral jay]

Unless you need to move a fluid up, you don't

[severe pewter]

Whenever you have issues with pressure. Which will be most of the time, and just about always with manifolds

But you won't need many

[feral jay]

No. when a new player is asking about pumps, the answer is always "they only affect how high you can pump stuff"

[lapis dome]

if i do need to move it up how much up can i go per pump?

[versed cosmos]

20m per pump

[sullen gull]

Per mk1

[feral jay]

Yes there are some esoteric and relatively hidden mechanics with pumps and pressure, but for a new player, nothing is relevant but headlift

[versed cosmos]

Yeah

[sullen gull]

50m for mk2

[versed cosmos]

I assume if they're just asking about pumps they've only got mk1s lol

[late quail]

hello where are the VC

[versed cosmos]

There is no VC here

[sullen gull]

And, Don't snap it to the bubble if it shows.. put the pump just before it.

[versed cosmos]

Only silence

[lapis dome]

per that works for the whole pipeline i assume?

[versed cosmos]

Yeah

[feral jay]

And better yet, don't pump fluids vertically if you can avoid it

[sullen gull]

That I don't agree with personally. So long as the other aformention things are taken into consideration, no issues.

[feral jay]

Yes, a pump will work until the next pump, machine, or fluid buffer

[versed cosmos]

If you do have to move fluids vertically, move them all the way up above the highest point they'll have to go to FIRST, then send it back down

And you won't need a pump at any point later down the production line

[feral jay]

It's a big IF

Generally, move stuff to the water, don't move water to the stuff

[sullen gull]

Also, if you want to pump up to a buffer, you have to have enough head lift to get to the TOP of whichever buffer. But, otherwise, just don't use buffers.

[versed cosmos]

Yeah buffers cause some weird fluid behaviour

[fast ruin]

my idiotic ass calculated the materials for the 500 piece of space elevator forgetting to take in consideration existence of sommersloop

[feral jay]

(this is a point of much contention among seasoned players, as you may be able to tell)

[sullen gull]

Not reallly, and not really hard to adhere to. Use walls, or beams as "measureing devices"

[fast ruin]

so i just built a 1.2k cable production line for no reason

[versed cosmos]

send it to sink!

[feral jay]

I have five million stockpiled ficsmas gifts for no reason

[versed cosmos]

get those coupons

[sullen gull]

How many snowballls?

[feral jay]

I will have all the snowballs

[sullen gull]

@feral jay

[severe pewter]

The most reliable method I have found, when trying to pinpoint the headlift limit, is to run a completely vertical column above a pump, wait for it to stop pumping, and find out how much of the pipe is filled. If it fills 48m³ of the pipe, then I'll erase it and try to make a new segment of vertical pipe that is around 49/50, and check it again. The pipe should stop at the same point. Wherever that 48m³ point would be vertically, would be the highest point that the top portion of any pipe could sit at, and still be within the limits of the headlift. Lines usually need to go at least 1m below that point though.

[versed cosmos]

those poor snowmen

[feral jay]

I love snowballs, they're great at destroying gas plants and fart rocks but do less damage than nobelisk so destroy less of the landscape - and it's a beautiful map

I liked it even better when they stacked to 500

[versed cosmos]

absolutely criminal coffee stain made this beautiful map and said "build an amazon warehouse over it all"

[sullen gull]

Or, honestly, the best bet imo, if you have to go up, go up immedatly to desired height and make some form of scaffolld after that.

Inclines is one big "gotcha" for players imo

[feral jay]

That, sir, is half the point of the game

[versed cosmos]

why they gotta make it so pretty and then tell us to destroy it

[feral jay]

That, sir, is the basic question every theologian has asked, since the dawn of time

[sullen gull]

And that's why I overclock everything. So i can mass produce with half the machines and try to make things more "appealing" to the terrain 😏

[fast ruin]

i'm making so much spagetti that you'd believe i'm italian

[subtle swallow]

i have blueprint zip files. how do i import it into game?

[sullen gull]

Wait .... hooooold on a sec here ......

[fast ruin]

i did try to stay clean but at some point you need all materials everywhere

[feral jay]

*spaghetti - at least spell it right, dammit!

[fast ruin]

idk i'm not italian

[feral jay]

I'm Dutch, and we can't cook for shit, but I can spell spaghetti...

[sullen gull]

we have Spaghetti .... we have lasagna ..... What constitutes as linguine or fettuccini?

[feral jay]

(well Dutch Canadian obv)

[terse rain]

idk if this is just the autism talkin. but I will 99% probably never use drones because TRAINS exist

and trains are cool

[versed cosmos]

we love trains

[sullen gull]

(only because I am eating some linguine right now 🤣 )

[feral jay]

Until you need 2/min of something from the other side of the map

[terse rain]

TRAINS

[versed cosmos]

i have a really short train in the swamp just moving the bauxite in the middle to the oil in the south

[severe pewter]

I think machines give 8m of headlift, Mk.1 pumps are 20m, and Mk.2 give 50. And no, you can't stack headlift, a higher pump will just reset the headlift from that point.

[subtle swallow]

i have blueprint zip files. how do i import it into game?

[sullen gull]

But when you can move a ton of nitrogen with drones 🙂

[terse rain]

TRAINS

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-frank-sheldon-christopher-walken-the-outlaws-fine-gif-25275641

[feral jay]

unzip them and copy them into your blueprint directory, I can't recall where that directory is, but it's as simple as copying two files for each blueprint into it

[severe pewter]

Sushi factory ftw

[terse rain]

imma move my drones using trains if I must but those things will never fly

[feral jay]

You'll need to relaod the game tfor new blueprints to show up

[fast ruin]

the thing i hat with sushi is that you most likely need a sink at the end

and i hate using sink

[terse rain]

frfr just use a shower instead

[feral jay]

I use sinks everywhere, this "no machine can ever idle" challenge would be impossible without them

Well or extremely difficult

[fast ruin]

also i risk wasting a lot of certain things that are a pain to craft

[terse rain]

just add a TON of storages for absolutely no reason

[feral jay]

Plus, I need not worry about the Golden Nut. It will come to me.

[wispy osprey]

Sink more like stink

[terse rain]

oh you got 1 constructor making 1 item an hour? better hook it up to 50 storages just incase it backs up

[sullen gull]

%localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\blueprints

[wispy osprey]

sorry

[feral jay]

There was a brief period when we couldn't do anything with uranium waste, and "infinite storage" was the only solution.

[sullen gull]

I mean, if doing it "right" you only need a sink for the very end item yeah? 😛

[feral jay]

I stored mine on Paradise Island

[fast ruin]

i'm currantly at that part of uranium

[terse rain]

what would happen if you intentionally loaded up a train with all the waste. then just derailed it into the void

[sullen gull]

@subtle swallow BUT ....

[subtle swallow]

but what

[fast ruin]

Butt

[terse rain]

Butts

[sullen gull]

The bluprint folder won't be there until you have placed a blueprint designer, made a bp, and saved it

[feral jay]

For most factories yeah, but the challenge is when you have something like a basic construction parts factory, so you need to merge all the excess into a single sink, or troubleshooting the problems gets very difficult. That makes the belt routing very difficult.

[subtle swallow]

ok ty

[severe pewter]

So I have everything pre-fabricated on site as necessary, belted in, and then everything gets combined, added to the belt, or pulled off the belt & further combined, and the final tally is sent out to Dimensional Storage first, then standard storage next - for reserve resources, and finally to the sink. It's great cause it's all the building materials on tap, and 700k points/min to the sink when nothing's being used.

[sullen gull]

I'mma play the idiot card in my name and say I don't understand these issues you speak of! 😏

[fast ruin]

#screenshots message
Here what i ended up on

[sullen gull]

OHH, I know ... A no hoverpack or jetpack challenge! ... Hovering above these factories really makes the scale unappreciative 😛

[wispy osprey]

When my train collects materials, should it at most stop at 5 miner stations or is it more than that

I'm not good at calculating time

[sullen gull]

Kinda have to build a rail and send a train to gauge the time I would think?

[versed cosmos]

trains shouldnt be stopping multiple times it kills throughput

at least thats what ive been told ive never actually done it

because ive been told its bad for throughput lol

[severe pewter]

If you're stopping at multiple stations, then the total loop time needs to be less than it would take for the combines 5 stations to fill up the truck. I forget the capacity, 1 min

[sullen gull]

I try not to help with trains (unless it's a station backwards issue or something) as I have not delved into them near enough.

[feral jay]

It's actually strange how many weird issues I've encountered with this wacky challenge

Half of my design issues are because I need to be able to troubleshoot things

[sullen gull]

I mean, the first one that comes to mind is a power plant and the resin 🤷‍♂️

[wispy osprey]

My first idea was "train collects 5 station materials and comes back" but if that kills throughput or takes too long then that's an issue

[sullen gull]

What do you do with that and not sink it.. I mean, you'll HAVE to sink somehwere to keep everything going for sure.

[feral jay]

The resin is easy, just sink it, and the sinks are on a different grid and not part of the challenge. I don't have enough information to know how long a sink runs for each thing it sinks, so it can't be a part of the challenge.

[sullen gull]

only transfering 5 items seems a bit under utilized for a train. should just go with a drone at that point.

[versed cosmos]

i mean as long as it gives you ENOUGH throughput its fine

[feral jay]

I have to isolate certain things anyway - not just sinks, but also trains, and soon enough, accelerators

[sullen gull]

Whatever the belt speed is. So, up to 1200/min

[versed cosmos]

like people say push pull systems are bad for throughput but i always get enough out of mine so i still use them

[feral jay]

Drones too I imagine

[wispy osprey]

5 full trucks not 5 items

[sullen gull]

Same, never had an issue with push pulls'

[feral jay]

Yeah but that's just your theory, there's no actual documention detailning for how many ticks a sink runs or how much power it consumes, for every item it sinks

[sullen gull]

Oh, my bad 😛

[feral jay]

So, sinks are excluded

[wispy osprey]

As an examine i want a train that collects 2 pure limestone nodes, 1 pure iron, 1 pure coal, and 1 pure sulfur

[sullen gull]

Isn't there a setting for "wait until full" in the time table? or is that just drones?

[severe pewter]

25x60, is that it? I thought it used to be double shrug.

But anyway, say the 5 stations output at 60, 120, 60, 180, 120. That would mean they'd be collectively outputting at 420/min, which would mean the total circuit time, including stopping, loading, and unloading would have to be less than 3:34

[terse rain]

after playing this game and oxygen not included for over 2k hours collectively. if anyone asks if I am ok I will just show them my steam play history with a face people only see in museums and on mcdonalds crew members.

[sullen gull]

Ahhhhhh, another thing that usually isn't "reccomended" ... transfering raw ore 🤷‍♂️

[feral jay]

ONI still feels... incomplete, somehow, it's hard to put a finger on it

Great game though

[wispy osprey]

I'm not bringing water to raw ore

[terse rain]

maybe cause it doesn't seem to include something vital

[oak nymph]

Should I put rotor in dimensional depot?

[terse rain]

idk almost like oxygen... is not included

[wispy osprey]

You're not going to force me to package a shit ton of water

[sullen gull]

Shit, ramping 5k in this one in a year should be a cause for concern one would think 😏

[oak nymph]

I already have iron plate and concrete in it

[severe pewter]

My comment was for trucks. Trains are a bit different, you can make separate cars for each material, but the timing still works the same. It helps too if each material fills at the same rate too.

[feral jay]

The funny thing about ONI is, oxygen is a solved problem by the time you're even a mediocre intermediate player

[versed cosmos]

I think people say not to transport raw ore because it's generally better to process it into ingots or other parts on-site and transport those

If you're dealing with water you always move your stuff to the water not the other way around

[wispy osprey]

If it's conveniently also beside water, then sure

[terse rain]

package water. train it over. unpackage it. and train the empty canisters back

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ I find it rather easy. Using large frame pillars as scaffolding.

[feral jay]

Transporting raw ore is fine, it's more that if you can turn 2 ore into 1 ingot, it's better for myriad reasons to transport the ingots instead

[versed cosmos]

yeah

[feral jay]

Or put another way, never ever transport screws or quickwire

[terse rain]

I've gotten to a level of procrastination that I play satisfactory or oxygen not included JUST to avoid playing the other one

[versed cosmos]

always reduce volume if you can

[sullen gull]

Shhh you

😏

[terse rain]

it's an endless loop of self inflicted torture

[feral jay]

Found the Buddhist

[severe pewter]

Screws take up so much space

[wispy osprey]

I truly hate "your idea is wrong and inefficient"

It's a big demotivator

[sullen gull]

What're you talking about? I've be.... oh .. nm

[feral jay]

That's an interesting take on the game, but it's wrong, and ineffecient

[sullen gull]

They shouldn't, if being consumed 😈

[versed cosmos]

screws should just be eliminated with alts

and also by firing squad

[wispy osprey]

New idea: use nodes closest to water, bring power via lines to refineries, profit

[feral jay]

Yes. Screws are evil and I instantly take any alt recipe that eliminates them.

[terse rain]

my problem with playing satisfactory is despite all the notes I take and the 7 tabs eternally burned into my monitor because I never close them, I still can't figure out what kinda shit I was on last time I played because the numbers don't add up

[sullen gull]

Learn to love the ways of alu beam > steel screws >bolted plates! 🤣

[wispy osprey]

What about transporting coal and sulfur

[feral jay]

There's a notepad

[wispy osprey]

Those should be fine to train along

[versed cosmos]

especially because i sushi belt everything and just send one conveyor into a line of smart splitters for my assemblers and manufacturers lol

[terse rain]

you assume I'd remember it exists

[severe pewter]

I'm using about 75% of the screws atm, but because it was all set up with T3 belts, it's using 8 of them

[feral jay]

Hey was "sushi belt" a term before Satisfactory?

[wispy osprey]

????

[severe pewter]

I'd assume it at least came from Factorio

[feral jay]

I've played some Factorio but I don't recall that term

[sullen gull]

I kinda feel like it came from factorio

But barely played so could be wrong

[versed cosmos]

what about those japanese restaurants where sushi literally comes to u on a conveyor belt

[wispy osprey]

Should be fine to transport by train then

[feral jay]

Well then folks, let's stake a claim to the term "Sushi Belt"

It's ours

[sullen gull]

Technically though, google says it's from 1958 Japan descibing Kaiten-Sushi (Rotation Sush) 😏

[feral jay]

shit. yes. that's where it comes from

[severe pewter]

If you're planning on making compacted coal, either bring one to the other (easiest) or combine them in the middle.

[sullen gull]

Those places are awesome and I miss them dearly!

[feral jay]

I did a blind sushi belt restaurant once

[sullen gull]

A bit jelly, but go on 😛

[feral jay]

We were blindfolded and had no idea what we were taking off the "belt"

[severe pewter]

Sore yabai

[sullen gull]

yabai janai

[feral jay]

I think it was a team building thing for a place I worked at, but it was really fun

[severe pewter]

Yabasugi

[sullen gull]

I would 100% do something like that for sure.

[feral jay]

And yes, that's where "sushi belt" comes from, a literal sushi belt

lol

[severe pewter]

feeds belt of sushi into lmg

[sullen gull]

I miss walking in, getting seated, pulling off about 15-20 plates before finished, they'd come by and wave a wand along the plates to tally the total, and walk out spending maybe $26 US 😛

[versed cosmos]

that's an insane amount of food for the cost

although arent portion sizes kinda small in japan?

[sullen gull]

Each plate would have maybe 2 pieces of Nigiri (fish on rice) or some sashimi (just slices of fish) or some other types of things. But, most asian meals are smaller portions, but lots of "filler" like rice and such.

[severe pewter]

I did see somewhere that Japan has been trying to anti-touristify the country though, to include making more touristy prices

[sullen gull]

But a plate would be 100 yen, or 200 yen.. 500 yen usually being the max.

[sullen gull]

I have comments, but we're passed the poing of going to Off-topic 😛

[feral jay]

Japan has been a pretty racist contry for a long time, and still is (but that's not a sfae topic for this server)

[sullen gull]

Only to those who don't show respect. You show respect and effort, they will in return.

[versed cosmos]

alr to change the topic im watching this speedrun rn and they're using the hub to teleport all over the place by placing it where they want to go and respawning in it

clipping in and out of caves too

[sullen gull]

And probably have "Keep everything" turned on

[versed cosmos]

yes

[sullen gull]

Yep. That is a way

[severe pewter]

Is it a wrong warp?

[versed cosmos]

wrong warp?

[severe pewter]

Not sure if this game can do that. I forget specifics, but it involves saving at point A, loading something specific into memory, and then tricking the game into loading your A point over at point B

[versed cosmos]

no

theyre just placing the hub where they want to go and hitting respawn in the pause menu

[severe pewter]

With the camera feature?

[versed cosmos]

using nudge to get it through walls into caves and stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq5KElDeu4w

[severe pewter]

Ahh

[peak plank]

Can you rate limit a belt ?

[feral jay]

No

[peak plank]

curses

[feral jay]

You can put in a short section of a specific mark belt to rate limit, and then use wacky combinations of mergers and splitters to achieve it, but no, there's no way to easily rate limit a belt

Like if you need 100/min, that's a Mk.1 belt, plus ⅔ of a Mk.1 belt. That ⅔ can be achived with a splitter.

[versed cosmos]

machines will only take as much as they can process and the rest will overflow

[feral jay]

I'm a big proponent of adding belt limiters to the game

[versed cosmos]

it would be nice

[feral jay]

Like, I already have them, they're just wacky blueprints

[versed cosmos]

tbh a mk2 smart splitter and mk2 programmable splitter would be able to add that functionality

[feral jay]

Just like I already had "priority mergers" before they were actually added

[versed cosmos]

i wish we had more mk2 and more buildings

mk2 smelters and fuel generators please

[feral jay]

nah overclocking takes care of that

[peak plank]

drones are breaking my brain rn

[versed cosmos]

but then i could overclock the mk3 fuel generators!

[tall plover]

my easy solution to all drone problems is to just not use them

[feral jay]

That's my solution to truck problems lol

[tall plover]

yea i dont use those either

trains or bust

[feral jay]

Drones are OK but I do wish they could have more than one destination, even just so I could add a refuelling stop

[tall plover]

refuelling isnt a problem imo, its just that theyre so inefficient for large quantities

[peak plank]

I thought they would be good at moving items that only produce like 2 at a time like super computers but it sucks they pretty much have to be a 1 to 1 route because they just get to gummed up without sinks

[hazy hinge]

What better for alternative recipe 6 rubber and 9 copper wire for 20 cable at 100 per minute or 5 water and 6 limestone for 4 concrete at 80 per minute

[tall plover]

given that you unlock them after trains, i thought they'd be more useful

[tall plover]

choose what you need

[peak plank]

I think you said the wrong recipe

[hazy hinge]

What one

[tall plover]

a solution would be to just massproduce those too and have an excuse to use trains

[peak plank]

fair lol

[hazy hinge]

What would I need more of later cable or concrete just getting to where I can use oil

[versed cosmos]

leave your alt recipes in the mam

[tall plover]

i scaled my HMF produciton to 100/m just to not worry about them and have an excuse to use trains

[peak plank]

Im almost too nuclear power and I have only bottlenecked on concrete (From dimensional depot) like twice

[versed cosmos]

the best alt recipe is the one youre gooing to use right now

[peak plank]

same with cable

[hazy hinge]

So leave it for now

[tall plover]

i setup like 10 dimensional depots at my concrete plant to avoid this

[peak plank]

I made a 50 computer per minute factory, drones should be able to move that amount fine. I felt like they could move 100 HMFs too

[hazy hinge]

Right at the start I got a very good one for screws 5 iron ingots for 20 screws

[peak plank]

Just the drone think takes up so much space, would be nice to use it for 2 routes at least

[tall plover]

move out 100 HMFs yes, but move in the materials? hell no

[versed cosmos]

say the names of the alt recipes we all know them

[peak plank]

well ya, but its a high density item so drones seems like a good use case

[tall plover]

eh i dont like drones

i tried using them

[hazy hinge]

Cast screws for that one

[tall plover]

i had them fly to the giant hole and land down there but damn, that takes literal minutes

[versed cosmos]

yeah thats THE ONE you sant early game

want*

[feral jay]

And stitched plates

[hazy hinge]

The 2 I’m being offered is wet concrete and insulated cable

[versed cosmos]

never used stitched plate tbh

[feral jay]

I use it all the time

[versed cosmos]

leave in mam until you want to use them

but wet concrete is very good

[feral jay]

Neither of those is incredibly useful at your stage of the game, I'd just levae them in the library

[hazy hinge]

Currently all I got is an impure concrete mine

[tall plover]

wet concrete is good until you have to figure out a design for the pipes for your concrete plant

[feral jay]

Wet concrete is great but it limits where you can make concrete, and limestone is everywhere anyway

[hazy hinge]

Currently everything works off of mass overclocking

[versed cosmos]

the reason you should leave alt recipes in the mam is because it excludes them from future hard drive scans mkaing it more likely you get any specific one youre looking for

[hazy hinge]

Ah ok

[feral jay]

Yah leaving stuff in the library is essentially minmaxing the random roll

[hazy hinge]

I built in a bad spot the closets oil coal and quartz is at least 1000m away

I have built too much to move now

[versed cosmos]

that's not far

[feral jay]

That's normal

[versed cosmos]

you will use the whole map

also dont build everything in one spot you make it so much harder on yourself

[feral jay]

And your GPU

[hazy hinge]

My first game was before this game realised I had a god spot with coal oil and EVERTHING within 500m but when they made changes to the map half the mines got removed so everything went down from there

[hazy hinge]

So don’t pile it all into one big factory

[feral jay]

They normally only make small changes to the map, so I doubt that would happen again

[versed cosmos]

you CAN, and some people do, but its generally considered a "challenge" that makes the game harder on purpose

[hazy hinge]

I found a gas mine place as well can’t remember what it was but guessing that’s tier like 8 or around There

[versed cosmos]

yeah

what was ur starting area?

[hazy hinge]

So i should make a train between multiple smaller factories for different things where that recourse is like oil

[hazy hinge]

The desert the open one

[versed cosmos]

rocky or dunes?

[hazy hinge]

Dunes

[versed cosmos]

you can also just run between factories to get what you need