satisfactory

[primal obsidian]

ok apparently there is 136 items in the game and theres 201 mercers after getting all upgrades

wait no

wrong wiki its the trash fire one

[golden nexus]

Ideally they need to do something for more adv/exp players which is like add a game option to trade for them rather than run the map again

[feral geyser]

mods

[golden nexus]

I looked, They all suck

[feral geyser]

agreed

[primal obsidian]

there is 151 items and that includes non renewable ones like mercers sloops biofuel biomass and generally just stuff you wouldnt upload anyway

[feral geyser]

crafting alien artifacts is stupid

[golden nexus]

Like you need something which is like you sink smart plate for sloops which gets more and more difficult until you hit the map limit of sloops and vert framework for mercer spheres or something....

So they are rate limited and not infinite

[jagged nymph]

guys i have a totally new and original idea

[feral jay]

Sharks with laser beams attached to their heads?

[jagged nymph]

Nah a splitter where you can choose how many items per minute each belt gets (i know, im such a for coming up with this idea)

[feral jay]

I do wish they'd add throughput limiters, they would accomplish the same thing but it'd be much simpler

You can kinda achieve it with various combinations of different mark belts and splitters/mergers

[rugged shard]

I have this question but it’s hard to explain, is it like worth it even you over clock, setting specific like clocks speeds, like making everything nice ratio or something: for example my assembler needs 72 iron plates but I can produce like 90 iron plates, so should I make that I could only produce exactly 72 iron plates or just set every machine to max overclock and forget, if y’all get what I mean

Idk how explain it normally 😭

[golden nexus]

The answer is, it depends

[rugged shard]

And how to know when it depends

[golden nexus]

Like your forcing numbers, it can absolutly make sense to make a blurprint fit inside a blueprint because you can't get enough machines in to make the numbers for example.

[rugged shard]

Don’t rlly understand sorry 💔

[feral jay]

The game is only accurate to 4 decimal places, so it's not possible to produce exactly 40 widgets a minute from a machine that produces 60 at 100%, because you can only put 66.6667% in the overclock window, so it'll be off by .0001% of 60 which is roughly one every three hours

I've had fluid systems back up because of that actually

[whole drum]

It's also not the sort of game where that really matters

[golden nexus]

mk1 blueprint maker is 4x4 foundation size. So its hard to make everything fit, So sometimes it can be easier to design it like this... #1456471144227147960 message to make the numbers work. In this case not only do you make the thing fit, but you get a "ingots required per floor"

So it depend if your desinging for input, output, size etc.. etc...

Bear in mind the blueprint above can be spammed for both rotor and rplate with the exactly same design with the recipies changed 😉

[whole drum]

And because you can adjust clock speed, you don't need to do things to fractions that don't round to whole integers. You can do like 1/2, 1/4, 1/5, 1/8, etc

[rugged shard]

Huhh? I dint mentioned about blueprints and designs?😭 or I’m I just slow

[rugged shard]

So should/can I set every machine to max clock

[whole drum]

Should and can are very different things

[golden nexus]

No you didn't but the same rules apply outside of it as well, eg you want a small footprint building?

[whole drum]

I actually don't clock that much in my factories

[rugged shard]

I have a big factory space

I have Lot of space

[golden nexus]

Generally though there are patterns/releations in the recipie as well. If you find everything becoming a "funky number" theres something going wrong somewhere

[rugged shard]

Idk man I’m so stupid, but I still dint understand anything, like does it matter or no💔

[feral jay]

Like there's a reason the rations work out so perfectly in this design https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

The game was designed specifically with those ratios in mind

[golden nexus]

Like bolted plate and cast screw are design to go with each other

Likewise bolted plate is built to feed bolted frame

And when you start to do a 1:2 ratio and then look at the ingots to make the scews. Patterns show up at set sizes where the recipie just fits perfectly. Its not an accident

[feral jay]

5 alumina solution refineries producing exactly 600 alumina solution/min, and then the scrap refineries producing exactly 1/3 of their water reqruiement, is not an accident, etc

[golden nexus]

yes the first 2 feed the 3rd. This means making more actually make the recipie easier to do

Or 3 feed the 4th

[feral jay]

If you try that design with 6 alumina solution refineries the whole thing breaks down

[golden nexus]

yeah cause you exceed the pipes etc...

Theres a few generic patterns I have sorted out in the last day or so. Kinda like the same design can be used for the rotor+rplate with clocking changes. There a whole new building patterns i found for mk1 blueprint which basically mean you can speed build almost every assembler recipe which involved constructors inputs with it in a much highr density blueprint

Likewise another pattern is this... where these constructors make quickwire. Its underclocked. This is also another pattern. If you have alts like plastic ai limit, caterium circuit board and caterium computer. You can flip / flop the constructor floor. One side goes down to make circuit board, the other goes up to make computers or ai limiters like this #screenshots message

So by spotting the pattern and designing with its subtle concept / behaviour you actually get rewarded with simplicity.... rather than complexity

[fickle oriole]

Just made my first nuclear power complex. Took about 20 hours. wow. how do y'all ever find the patience to do more than one?

[feral jay]

I cheat, and edit more in with SCIM

Solving a problem like that once is fun. Solving it ten times... not so much

[fickle oriole]

exactly. i wish the blueprint facility was (much) more powerful

[golden nexus]

Like Bigger?

[feral jay]

Nah, then people would share "I win the game" blueprints, CS was very careful about that

It's a fine line to walk

[golden nexus]

They already do

[fickle oriole]

yes, like 10x bigger. Also, other games like this have a "make a blueprint out of this thing I just built in the wild" function, you don't have to do it 'in the lab'

[feral jay]

Personally I like the way they did blueprints

[golden nexus]

Same.

I do also have blueprints which are split across multiple parts

That can also be quite interesting as they come modular and making the modules work together is an interesting challange

Also some people have managed to get 48 constructors into them 😛

[half wraith]

Posso falar em portugues nesse chat?

[feral jay]

I'd really love to have paramaterized blueprints at least

eg So you can set the recipe or clock speed for every constroctur in a blueprint

[golden nexus]

Yup, I find myself saving the same blueprint in various configurations.

[sick falcon]

is nitro rocket fuel essentially mandatory for large scale rocket fuel? turbofuel takes so many refineries

[fathom cypress]

Is 5 motors a minute acceptable for stage 3 of the space elevator?

[golden nexus]

depend on how big your oil setup is going to be....

[stray summit]

hahaha ive been playing satisfctory since 2025 nonstop!
saying that at 12:01: ahah
saying that at 11:59: 0_0

[fathom cypress]

What about oil takes so many motors?

It doesn’t seem too bad

[golden nexus]

10 motors a ref. So you start by using around 280 motors fora basic setup for plastic + rubber

So thats 1 hour of production worth

[fathom cypress]

28 refineries is a basic setup?

[golden nexus]

Yes

[fathom cypress]

I’m very behind then

I have work to do

[golden nexus]

Its 200/plastic 200/rubber

Now when you roll out your fuel gens, Thats another 5xref at 10 motors each. So theres another 50 and the fuel gens are 15. Of which you need 8 of which is another 120 motors. So theres another 180 😛

and this is before you consider turbo fuel 🙂

[sick falcon]

yea u need so many motors

how so

[spare cradle]

I really need to start writing down my next steps and what I need to automate. Good thing I got sticky notes :D

[sick falcon]

wait its a better fuel to rocket fuel ratio as well, why would anyone make turbofuel instead

[open gust]

I started playing the game yesterday and I’m trying to make a better coal set up. I have enough coal on one conveyer for 8 generators but Mk.1 pipes can only carry enough water for 6 generators I think. Am I just gunna have to run multiple pipes?

[feral jay]

You can feed water from both sides of a pipe, so no individual section exceeds 300/min

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[fluid rapids]

this game is more addictive than that illegal stuff they warn you about in school

[open gust]

So if i feed three pumps into one side of a main pipe and made that a closed loop to pull off of that would work?

[wicked nacelle]

yes.. as long as you don't try to combine them into one pipe to feed that loop first

[feral jay]

No, three pumps is 360 water/min, they can only move 300/min. But you could fed two pumps into one side, and a third into the other side

[wicked nacelle]

if you feed them into your loop individually then yes, it will work because half will go one way and half will go the other -- making it less than 300 at all spots

[golden nexus]

Example of one #screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

if it's a loop then it has 2 ways it can go

[feral jay]

ohhh then yes, as long as you're not combining them into a single pipe between the extractors and the generators it should work

[wicked nacelle]

yes but there's no reason to run the third pump all the way down. You can merge it back in as soon as you've eaten 60 water off the first two pumps

[golden nexus]

The design is built to be clocked to 250% on everything when mk2 pipes get involved

[wicked nacelle]

still not necessary to go all the way to the far end. But obviously it's fine to do so

[open gust]

This helps visualize it so much thank you

[lapis dome]

how good are hyper tubes?

[golden nexus]

Once setup you can get across map in seconds

[lapis dome]

what? is it a exploit or are they just build like that?

[spare cradle]

I honestly thought the encased steel took plastic or something

[golden nexus]

you can build cannons

[spare cradle]

I think they just like that

[lapis dome]

i think encased steel is for like construction, so it makes sense to be concrete

[spare cradle]

I prefer my ziplining scenic routes

[spare cradle]

I didn't know that until I unlocked it

I am... Not smart.

[golden nexus]

Look at something like this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GBUYMuu1t0c

[low orbit]

hi

[wispy osprey]

When I'm doing a test of a train station on a creative save, why isn't my freight platform unloading

[peak wasp]

have you set it to unload ?

[wispy osprey]

Yes, power is free because of testing

[peak wasp]

ping pong station or one with a loop ?

i dont know the actual term so i hope ping pong works lol

[wispy osprey]

It's a station to stop at and collect, connected to the main rail

This should be working but it isn't

[peak wasp]

no errors when setting it to auto pilot like station un reachable ?

[wispy osprey]

I'm trying to unload to a freight car manually

Oh I see the issue now

[peak wasp]

you mean unload manually from a freight car ? as when i do this i have to get the train to line up with the station almost perfectly for the message to show

[wispy osprey]

Yeah, why does that happen?

[peak wasp]

no idea

[wispy osprey]

So on autopilot it'll unload without issue?

[peak wasp]

correct providing you dont have any error messages

[wispy osprey]

Man that's really really annoying

I wanted to at least drive one train manually but docking is strict

[peak wasp]

you could stick a buffer at the end as a helper

[wispy osprey]

I want it to be a circuit, the train would go reverse

[peak wasp]

only thing i can suggest is a train on both ends (so you dont reverse , a train for each direction) and the station has a buffer for a manual unloading , not sure if you could do anything else

[wispy osprey]

I could buffer stop and reverse out into an entry circuit to turn back around

That wouldn't be ideal for more than one train

[peak wasp]

possibly or another way that's partially manual so you dont need a buffer is as you approach the station turn on autopilot so it stops for you and turn it back off on docking

[wispy osprey]

Yeah

[lapis dome]

can you name power grids? so you know which one shutdown?

[drowsy kelp]

No

All you get is “a power grid”

[whole drum]

That would honestly be a nice feature

[fallen orbit]

Just finished setting up the basic stuff
40 screws
20 iron plates
20 rods
30 wires
30 cables
Per min , will these be enough to last me throughout the game if only used for building?

[drowsy kelp]

Could be anything from your world-wide grid to a random bio burner on a constructor

[whole drum]

It's probably plenty, but there may be times you might like to have a little more plates for laying foundation unless you use a type that doesn't require them

[fallen orbit]

Yeah I'll use concrete foundations just waiting on wires for the shop

[drowsy kelp]

One (maybe two for the slow stuff) final buildings worth of item per minute works fine with my playstyle

[fallen orbit]

I should probably set up rips production aswell before I move on to completeing milestones

[proud citrus]

Should I make all iron products from one iron node or use multiple nodes for each?

[fallen orbit]

One

[whole drum]

For sure. I like to aim for 20/m personally, but once you're into steel, the need for them declines quite a bit.

[whole drum]

Depends on the quality of node and what tech level you're at

[fallen orbit]

Try to get a normal iron node that's what I just did rn
From 60/m iron node and mk1 plates
20 plates per min
20 rods and 40 screws

If you are at the very start yeah

[whole drum]

You don't actually need to automate screws, usually. There aren't too many things you build yourself that use them, so you just include them in production chains that require them (like RIPs).

[fallen orbit]

In my last run an year ago
I needed screws and never had them because of shops

That's why I start I have automated them

[whole drum]

Wdym shops?

[fallen orbit]

Just for building? 20/m?
Id prob get steel soon enough but yeah I think I'll do 2 assemblers worth maybe I'll see once i have the assemblers unlocked

[fallen orbit]

Awesome shop
Every now and then I needed to place one for something and never had the screws for it

[whole drum]

Not just for building. They are needed for Mk2 belts/lifts and stuff.

[fallen orbit]

Yeah I am including that aswell

[whole drum]

Oh weird. I very rarely place those

[fallen orbit]

What's one assembler /min on rips?

[whole drum]

5

60 iron/m to do that

[fallen orbit]

Then I think 10 should be enough for now

[whole drum]

Like I said, 20/m was the sweet spot for me. Once I'm on steel and don't need as many for belts (since I have Mk3 at that point) I convert one pair of assemblers (10/m) into frame production.

It's easy because you just add the rods or w/e recipe you using

[fallen orbit]

That's gonna take like 4 normal nodes at the stage I am rn

[whole drum]

Power shards help

A normal node with 2 shards is 120/m

That's 10/m RIPs

[fallen orbit]

Oh yeah power shards i really haven't played this game for a while

[stray wagon]

How many nuclear generators does 9 uranium fuel rods per minute fuel

[fallen orbit]

Can you get Depos really early in the game?

[whole drum]

Once you can make steel pipes

[hasty stump]

if you can find sam really early in the game, sure

[fallen orbit]

Well there is one node in the grasslands U shape structure
I remember that

[whole drum]

And on the southern cliff

[fallen orbit]

But about the pipes yeah I'll need to do p1 fast soon enough

[whole drum]

But you don't need SAM/DDs for clocking

Just some power slugs

[hasty stump]

only annoying thing is having to hand craft sam fluctuators until you unlock manufacturers

[fallen orbit]

Yeah know that but depos are just too good

[whole drum]

They are

[fallen orbit]

I don't even mind only having a few depos just need them for the necessary stuff

[whole drum]

I find having the first 2 upload/storage upgrades and about a dozen DDs is the sweet spot for entering mid game

[mental orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-you-gif-9601499254078520677

Water won’t waterrrr 😭

[fallen orbit]

I left satisfactory but it never left me I still have my 140 hour save if I play that I'll probably quit again lol

[hasty stump]

water problem - probably either not enough headlift or you're trying to push too much more than the pipe's capacity

[mental orbit]

I was like huh this game looks cool now I’ve been playing for 12 hours and I’m starting to break

[fallen orbit]

Satisfactory is crack

[mental orbit]

It’s so frustrating knowing how simple my setup is and it’s broken, and just knowing 50 hours from now it’s gonna be so much worse

[hasty stump]

tear down old shit (or not), build new shit

the map is huge, you can even abandon your original base and build a new one somewhere else

[mental orbit]

Does anyone know how the head lift works? If the pump lifter thing says it recommends 20 lift, is that what my water lift should be at?

[hasty stump]

the visual indicator when you're placing the pump seems to be buggy, i usually have to place the pump a bit lower than it indicates

[fallen orbit]

Am just building this early game stuff clean because I know am gonna rarely come back here and these are just gonna be used in depos

[whole drum]

Machines that output liquids grant 10m by default. Mk1 pumps give 20 (or 25?, I forget).

All headlift means is the max height of liquids in that pipe system.

Also, every new player should read the first half of this. It's only like 16pg in total, so it's a very modest ask.
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[hasty stump]

also be aware that your pipe network doesn't fill instantly even if you have enough headlift, it can take quite a while

[mental orbit]

Mm I guess that’s a problem for later. The real problem is I have 3 pumps with pipes that are all 50 max, and once I put them in a merger, the pipe drops to basically 0. Makes no sense at all

[whole drum]

Okay, so first thing, Pipes are not Belts. Pipes flow both directions, so controlling flow is usually accomplished by the machines that input and draw from a pipe system. Mk1 can hold up to 300/m, but the math on this changes a bit as you progress down a manifold (the best/most common pipe setup).

[mental orbit]

Whenever I make a second save I’m also gonna be making sure I start next to a water source. I have to run 1000m every freaking time to get to my water pumps up the damn waterfall

[whole drum]

Also, keeping pipes full is the best way to get them to work correctly. Prime them before you turn on machines that pull from the system.

[whole drum]

Where did you start?

[hasty stump]

build your coal power generators next to water, don't pipe the water across the map

(assuming that's what you need water for)

[mental orbit]

I have like 1000m of pipes

[hasty stump]

yea that's a recipe for misery

[whole drum]

Definitely easier/better to belt coal than it is to pipe anything long distances

[mental orbit]

Across the entire map up a waterfall lol

That’s the only place I could find water. Takes forever to walk up the mountain every time

[hasty stump]

if you're in the grassy fields, there's a big lake not far to the north that has several coal nodes right next to it, it's a perfect place for coal power

[whole drum]

Still trying to figure out your base location

[jagged nymph]

wtf do you mean its the only place to find water, thers water everywhere

[mental orbit]

Can u scan for water sources?

Once I reach my water pumps I’ll send a pic of my map

[whole drum]

(Side note, but your name--are you saying you hate the Python programming language?)

[jagged nymph]

no, but theres water everywhere, check #screenshots

[jagged nymph]

yes

[jagged nymph]

one sec for some reason the picture sent as blank, check #screenshots in about 20 seconds

[mental orbit]

I think I’m still in the tutorial, doing some space shuttle launch phase 2 thing

[whole drum]

Feel free to DM me because it's off-topic here, but... why? Not saying you're wrong either. I don't know much about coding, but looking to get into it in the near future.

[jagged nymph]

the "tutorial" is tier 0, but if you skipped onboarding you skipped that

[hasty stump]

if you're able to build coal power you're definitely past the tutorial

[whole drum]

If you can even build pipes, you're past it

[jagged nymph]

python is actually a really good option to learn the basics (and has some other uses outside of that), and my name is kinda a joke, i just hate using python lol, its not at all bad

[whole drum]

Oh ok

[hasty stump]

i reserve my actual hate for languages like javascript or god forbid perl

python is actual paradise compared with those haha

[whole drum]

I hear such mixed things about Java

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message
wheres your base on this map that youre that far from water

even in the dune desert theres alot of water

[whole drum]

More importantly, where is your coal?

[mental orbit]

The map is that big!?!?

[jagged nymph]

java is ok, its not the best, not the worst, but also almost mt entire experience with it is minecraft mods

[mental orbit]

Omg u can see water on the map!?

[jagged nymph]

yeah, youll realize later its not actually that big lol

[jagged nymph]

yeah its blue, and theres tons of it

[whole drum]

Once you unlock the map, yes--which you should already have

[hasty stump]

the map is way huger than you would think at first

[mental orbit]

I have 12 hours now and I just opened the map

Did not know that existed

[jagged nymph]

where on the map is your base

[whole drum]

Sounds like that might solve some problems by itself, lol

[jagged nymph]

also if you scan for resources and check the map, the pinged nodes show up there and you can click them to see their purity

[hasty stump]

btw ocean water works perfectly well in machines, so if you're by the coast you have a giant supply to work with

[jagged nymph]

yeah that too

[whole drum]

And can place markers yourself to remind you so you don't have to keep pinging

[mental orbit]

Sending in screenshots

[jagged nymph]

yeah i only do that usually if i plan to put something there, or if its something signifigant like 3 pure iron nodes or smth

[hasty stump]

best of all is the "highlight marker" feature so you have something to aim for while hypercannoning yourself across the map

[mental orbit]

I have water running from this waterfall all the way to my base

And the 3 pipes are all full of water, but once they merge it hits basically 0 and idk why, it’s so annyoing

And the 3 pipes are all full of water, but once they merge it hits basically 0 and idk why, it’s so annyoing

[jagged nymph]

whyd my mesage get deleted

[mental orbit]

And the 3 pipes are all full of water, but once they merge it hits basically 0 and idk why, it’s so annyoing

[whole drum]

So on your map, to the northwest of your base is a reasonable lake that doesn't require scaling cliffs

[hasty stump]

is there a downhill section after the merge?

[jagged nymph]

look like 100 meters to the right and left of your base, theres tons of water lmao 😭

[whole drum]

A bad pipe connection could be at fault there

[mental orbit]

Yes it’s all going downhill

Well first it’s gotta scale up the cliff which is why I have like 5 pumps on each pipe to push the water up

[hasty stump]

well lower elevation pipes fill first, that might be the explanation but it's hard to say without seeing your setup

[mental orbit]

Will send more

[whole drum]

Also, 3 full Mk1 pipes joined into 1 means 2 are doing nothing.

You are bottlenecking 300+300+300 into a funnel that is only 300 big

[mental orbit]

The other 2 water pumps are the basically the exact same as the one in the pic. All side by side

[jagged nymph]

yeah a mk1 pipe only hold 300 per minute

[hasty stump]

so now you gotta run 3 pipes all that distance, this is why long pipes suck 😭

[jagged nymph]

are they overclocked

[mental orbit]

It was working when I only had 1 water pump too

Once I added the other 2 water pumps it stopped working

[hasty stump]

any chance that one of them is pointed the wrong way?

[whole drum]

Could be the pipe junction broke the connections

[jagged nymph]

@mental orbit one of the pumps

[whole drum]

Pipes flow both ways. They don't "point."

[hasty stump]

no i meant pumps, sorry

[whole drum]

Oh, the pumps--good call. Could be

[mental orbit]

The head lift pumps or the water extractors?

[whole drum]

Headlift

[hasty stump]

the head lift pumps

[jagged nymph]

the pumps

[hasty stump]

also at the risk of stating the obvious, make sure the pumps are powered

[jagged nymph]

also each water pump is making 120 per minute, so a total of 360, but youre combining them into one pipe which can only hold 300 per minute, so youre losing out on 60 water per minute

[jagged nymph]

oh my god his pumps arent powered

check the screenshot LMAO

[whole drum]

RIP

[jagged nymph]

yeah you need to supply power to the pumps XD

[hasty stump]

oh i didn't see the SS, lemme look

[whole drum]

🇫

[mental orbit]

Yes they aren’t powered now cuz the entire system is broken lol

[jagged nymph]

well that explains it

[mental orbit]

The first pump stopped working and now nothing has power

No it’s still broken

[hasty stump]

might have to bootstrap yourself with some biomass burners

[jagged nymph]

even after powering the pumps?

the pumps have a green light on them now right?

[whole drum]

Disconnect your coal grid from the rest of your factory (usually there's one key power line that does this).

[mental orbit]

When it was turned on, all 3 pipes had max flow, but as soon as it went in a single pipe it went down to basically 0

[hasty stump]

yea, in general don't connect the coal grid to the rest until it's completely operational, pipes and manifolds full, etc

[whole drum]

Then fix your pipes/pumps, then kick start your coal with some biomass burners.

[jagged nymph]

what went down to zero

[mental orbit]

It’s also annoying how some pipes have 0 and some have like 30. Impossible to figure out what’s going on

[mental orbit]

The pipe flow

[jagged nymph]

can you add me on steam so i can join and i can check whats goin on?

[mental orbit]

Im on PS5

[jagged nymph]

hmm

[mental orbit]

Can u send vids in screenshot or no just pics?

[whole drum]

What platform are you on? If you're on PC, I could join you in game and give more details observations/fixes/advice--if you want

[hasty stump]

this can be normal even when everything is working ok, the pipe volumes fluctuate a lot while waiting for everything to fill

and with pipes that long, it's gonna take a LONG time to fill them all

[jagged nymph]

this is true

[whole drum]

Or if you can screenshare your gameplay to Discord, I could join a call and help that way

[mental orbit]

And somehow my machine are still pumping water with no electricity lol

[hasty stump]

are you sure you have a power outage and not just a missing cable somewhere?

[mental orbit]

Yea cuz I deleted all my bio burners once I got the water working

[whole drum]

Protip: Bioburners idle when there is no demand placed on them. If the rest of your grid can handle the load, they won't consume fuel.

[mental orbit]

Aaaand there was a glowing green rock and I died instantly from radiation once I mined it and I’m back at my base

[jagged nymph]

thats uranium 😭

[mental orbit]

Gahhhhhhhh

[hasty stump]

load an autosave?

[mental orbit]

It was annoying me so I set it to only auto save every hour….

[jagged nymph]

i thought if you died with something radioactive in your inventory it dropped it so you dont get softlocked, am i wrong?

did i hallucinate that?

[hasty stump]

well you have to pick what annoys you most i guess

[hasty stump]

oh, i don't know actually!

[true sonnet]

I had a shower thought about FISCIT fighting a war

Theoretically, just, strap a metric ton of explosives to some drones and send them in

[whole drum]

So they would fight like 2023 Ukraine?

[mental orbit]

Soooo. I may just have to live with an excess of water and coal and remove the other 2 water pumps cuz they’re not working lol

My 1 water pump was powering 3 coal burners

[jagged nymph]

when you say not working, what exactly do you mean by that

how do you know its not working

[hasty stump]

i urge you to reconsider whether you really want to put your coal burners so far from the water extractors

[mental orbit]

But it was so much water I tried to stretch it to 6 coal burners, and then I needed more water for that so I made 3 water pumps

[hasty stump]

why not build them on site?

[whole drum]

The normal ratio is 120 coal/m powers 8 gens that are fed by 3 water extractors, but the pipes can't all just join in from the same end. There are multiple ways to do the pipes, but you just have to math it out right.

[mental orbit]

And I wasn’t gonna make 3, 1000 mile water pipes so I tried to put them in a merger

[jagged nymph]

well as stated earlier, that doesnt work

because the pipe can only hold 300/m and youre making more than that with 3 120/m pipes

[hasty stump]

if you want to avoid the pipe throughput issue you can just run each water extractor to 2 coal gens, and underclock the extractors to 75% after the pipes are full

[mental orbit]

Oh u can send vids in the screenshot chat, I’ll walk all the way to my pipes again and show my set up lol

[whole drum]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[whole drum]

Use these diagrams

[mental orbit]

Lollll diagrams 😭 Am I becoming an engineer now?

[whole drum]

We hope so

[jagged nymph]

kinda the point of the game tbh

[leaden turret]

Pioneer looks better.

Engineer is factorio 😛

[hasty stump]

oh you'll be using spreadsheets soon enough

[jagged nymph]

i have 300 hours and im still shit at this game 😭

[hasty stump]

467, same

[mental orbit]

Another thing I need to know. When I’m attaching a pump, is the blue line showing me the current flow, or the flow once I attach the pump? I can’t tell if I’m going overkill with pumps

[jagged nymph]

its showing you waht direction the pump will flow, and how far the pump will take it

[hasty stump]

beware that the "how far the pump will take it" marker seems to be a bit overoptimistic, or at least it has been historically, not sure if that was ever fixed

[mental orbit]

Interesting

[hasty stump]

when in doubt, place an extra pump a bit below that line

[jagged nymph]

yeah, i tend to place it about 2/3 the way

[whole drum]

It's worked for me, but you're always safe to place it a little before it

[mental orbit]

Maybe I should just stream it so ppl can see what’s going on lolol

[jagged nymph]

yeah u should

are there even vcs in this server

[hasty stump]

i'm off to bed, gl @mental orbit sorting out your pipe issues!

[mental orbit]

Haha thanks

[mental orbit]

I will post in streams

[jagged nymph]

pipes are a little jank in this game sometimes

[whole drum]

They just have a learning curve. Once they "click," they don't seem too bad at all.

[jagged nymph]

is your pfp ai generated or a 3d render

[whole drum]

Was open license ai

[jagged nymph]

hm

[whole drum]

Pumps don't care about the distance of the pipes--only the height. All they do is increase max height for your system and prevent backflow through the pumps themselves.

[muted charm]

good morning fellow pioneers, i just started playing this crackcocaine game, do you have any basic tips for a newbie-pioneer?

[whole drum]

Oh god he has a fluid buffer too... 💀

[jagged nymph]

yeah your pumps arent powered, water will not flow through them if they arent powered

[whole drum]

@mental orbit
Honestly, bro--I think your best bet is to just rip all that down and just rebuild your coal near a water source.

[zealous urchin]

factorio engineer wins

its just a question of "how much prep time"

[whole drum]

This piping is wild

[jagged nymph]

@mental orbit you dont need pumps across the whole line, you only need pumps to bring water up pipes, not straight across. ONLY add pumps if the pipe goes up

[whole drum]

Oh, and a segment even blocks a lime node from being used later

[jagged nymph]

also @mental orbit tear that all down and redo it at the close water

[zealous urchin]

pipes dont care about your feelings ahhhh

[whole drum]

And it blocks an iron node...

[jagged nymph]

@mental orbit you only and i mean ONLY need pumps if the water is being pulled up. they do not do anything at all if the pipe is flat

[whole drum]

If he wants to build up there, I'm pretty sure there's coal up there, lol

And needs to learn about Sinks/Shops to invest in Ladders

[jagged nymph]

@mental orbit no, because your pipe starts at the top of the waterfall, the water is already at that height. anything below there doesnt need a pump

no it doesnt

[whole drum]

Seriously could run this whole system on 1-2 pumps near the extractor

But would still only be good for 120/m

[jagged nymph]

@mental orbit since your water is at the very top up the waterfall, it can go to anywhere lower than that. even if you go all the way to the bottom and then make it come back up to halfway, it still doesnt need pumps, because somewhere before it in the line it was at the top of the waterfall

if someone is in his stream can you tell him to check his discord messages

[whole drum]

Bro has two water sources right next to him, lol

He climbed half way up the world anyway 😄

That buffer doing way more harm than good

[jagged nymph]

@fierce granite are you the one watching @mental orbit s stream? if so can you tell him to check discord messages in here?

@mental orbit that fluid buffer is not helping anything, its only hurting. you dont have "too much water" that sentence doesnt even make sense

[whole drum]

Unfortunate that he's on console. Being able to stream to Discord/voice call would make it so much easier to help him.

[wispy osprey]

Patterns on walls when

[whole drum]

He's only reading stream chat =\

Oh, well. I'm gonna watch some BAR. @ me if you need something. 🤷

[subtle swallow]

is satisfactory down

i cant log into my epic account

[strange trout]

Its a offline game?

[whole drum]

Could be an Epic issue

[leaden turret]

satisfactory doesn't go down.

epic online services does 😛

[subtle swallow]

it’s alr working again

[frigid cloud]

My dedicated server never goes down

[hollow flax]

working on my powerplant and i need to have 3 600 pipes into 80 refiners ( i have alot of power shards) how should i go about this

[subtle swallow]

how many hours so far

[frigid cloud]

Within the 3 months of playing and never has gone down

[subtle swallow]

no like how many hours do u have on that world

[frigid cloud]

Not sure right now. I just shut down the game for the night

[mental orbit]

Reloading my save fixed all my problems how dandy

[coarse path]

Uhm guys

[wispy osprey]

Hmm

[coarse path]

What do i even do with that blue resin instead of sinking it

[wispy osprey]

Plastic, rubber and fabric

[coarse path]

I make some plastic of it but thats all it

[coarse path]

Also rubber from resin?

[wispy osprey]

Yes, plenty of alt recipes require rubber

[coarse path]

Do i need to research more hard drives?

Ohhh thank you

Thanks dude<3

[wispy osprey]

There's a guide for what alt recipes are worth getting somewhere, do not get molded steal beam/pipe. Concrete is better used on encased industrial beams

[coarse path]

I have alot of recipies that i cant choose from

[wispy osprey]

The main ones are cast screws, heavy oil residue, recycled rubber and plastic, and so many more

Too many to list here

Ultimately you choose what you want to get rid of in your logistics loop

The less screws you make, the better

[exotic frigate]

i get a lot of use out of solid steel ingots, and iron wire too

as well as the cable recipe that uses heavy oil residue

[wispy osprey]

Solid steel is very useful

[limber imp]

soooo, I just finally passed phase 4 for the first time on my nteenth attempt. Phase 5... requires quite a lot of copper, I'm finding. Soooo much copper. I'm really just looking for commiseration on the sheer quantity of copper we're dealing with here. I only wanted 5 pasta per minute! So much copper!

[exotic frigate]

stitched reinforced plates are useful too, but i prefer the adhered recipe. still has screws, but less, and if im already making a ton of wire, more wire doesnt help

[wispy osprey]

Pure copper refinement is your friend

[limber imp]

I am doing that already

[exotic frigate]

that or copper alloy

[wispy osprey]

Though by that point the only thing you're making is wet copper sheet

[limber imp]

thank god or I'd really be panicking

[exotic frigate]

turn some of your excess iron into a bit more copper

[wispy osprey]

What else do you even use copper on besides sheet

There's more Caterium on the map than copper

[exotic frigate]

Honestly you can eliminate copper from most recipe chains entirely

Its pretty remarkable

[wispy osprey]

I still don't have caterium cable but that's another good alt

[exotic frigate]

Having all the alternate recipes is a lot of fun. I just get to play around in planning with all my factories. Its great

Alt recipes are a nice mechanic I wish factorio had, actually

Seablock has a bunch and its really nice

[limber imp]

I have plenty of untapped copper. I'm just forseeing the rest of my life being spent bringing it online and building smelters and still the endless machine cries 'more!'

[exotic frigate]

Then you wana get a few more pasta/m and your map shudders

[limber imp]

how on earth anyone manages 30 pasta pm I dread to think

[wispy osprey]

It is tempting to send a conveyor across the map just to have a pure node near base

[exotic frigate]

Train

[wispy osprey]

Exactly

I'm saving bottled water transit for nuclear power

[upper smelt]

Would yall rather,
Compete an entire play through with only hand crafting (in this scenario you can hand craft everything)

or complete the entire playthrough with the default inventory size,
no extra hand slots,
no body slots,
no equipment at all,
and you can only carry one stack of each item type at a time.
(Your allowed to use weapons but the explosives and rebar guns

[whole drum]

No

[wispy osprey]

Half of the game cannot be crafted by hand anyway

[upper smelt]

Bro

[sterile blade]

Yep. Low inventory any day, easy choice ^^

[whole drum]

If you can't use explosives or gas filters, there's a bunch of places in the map you won't be able to reasonably access/operate in

[sterile blade]

#off-topic-general or #off-topic-tech might be appropriate

[strange trout]

Oh didn't see them sry

[wispy osprey]

Shoutouts to any other person that either used trucks once and never again, or just skipped truck logistics

Fuel packing isn't fun

[whole drum]

Just use Drones only. Easy.

[wispy osprey]

Train autism is very strong in my playthrough, I cannot be contained

[upper smelt]

How do I make the dog my friends

Nvm just accidentally killed it

[whole drum]

So then you just have to kill your pioneer. All dogs go to heaven, so you have a 50% chance to meet them there.

[wicked yew]

How do i do a unbalanced split, working on a steel factory and want to split the outputs of 2 foundries into the 30:60 split

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message
is my factory bright enough

[whole drum]

Just doing a manifold works fine. Make sure the machines that take the 30 are first in line and clocked appropriately, then feed the 60 into the rest.

Otherwise, you're really talking about a 1:2 ratio, so feed a belt into a splitter that outputs onto 3 belts, then remerge 2 of them

[jaunty mist]

has anyone experienced buying the coffee cup in the ficsit store and not receiving it? even though it consumed your ficsit ticket?

[whole drum]

You have to claim it from the shop inventory

[lapis shadow]

Can creatues open/trigger doors to open? I'm making a box blueprint for a quick way of trapping a creature and I wanted to add doors but not sure if that would allow escape

[jaunty mist]

oh...

[whole drum]

I think only pioneers do

[subtle raptor]

Anyone know when the FICAmas event is going?

[jagged nymph]

who knows

not me

[wispy osprey]

Pioneers and autopilot vehicles can trigger doors

[jagged nymph]

probably the devs

[upper smelt]

Is having the max consumption over the production okay or should I make more energy

[fierce granite]

#patch-notes message

[wicked yew]

Thanks, I'm still relatively new to satisfactory so I don't have an idea what a manifold is so this was easier to understand

[wispy osprey]

Balancing evenly distributes to every output but require a lot of rebuilding

Manifolds fill steadily over time but that's the only downside

[jagged nymph]

manifolds are the best thing ever

[upper smelt]

Hey, is there any way you can respond to my question? (If that sounds disrespectful I didn’t mean to in anyway) thanks

[wispy osprey]

They're a lot more satisfying to build

[jagged nymph]

its ok as long as your normal consumption is always below your production, but making more power should be a priority as if your machines spike, it could cause your power grid to shut off and uh well 😅 thats bad

[wispy osprey]

More energy is always good

[upper smelt]

Thank yall

[covert quarry]

is there any other way to aqquire iron, copper etc. then getting ores?

[jagged nymph]

no?

[wispy osprey]

That doesn't mean make 50 coal generators* 6k is good in the early game

[jagged nymph]

why would you even want to do it any other way

[reef basin]

iron what?

[jagged nymph]

nah i always build 100 GW worth of coal gens before i finish phase 2

[covert quarry]

i mean like the objective require me to mine a lot of copper and iron ores, can i like automate this process

[jagged nymph]

yes? you put a miner on it

😭

put a miner on it and that into smelters, constructors, etc 😭

[wispy osprey]

Particle accelerators also make iron and copper ingots i think

But that's endgame

[jagged nymph]

i suggest you watch some tutorials/walkththtoughs for early game

[covert quarry]

i js got this game thx😂

[jagged nymph]

definitely watch some tutorials for the start of the game, youll need it lol

you arent gonna be able to figure it out on your own

[reef basin]

no

[reef basin]

counterpoint - definitely do NOT watch tutorials

play the game on your own, experiment, only come here if you're trully stuck

[wispy osprey]

Ok

[covert quarry]

you make a point there

[jagged nymph]

i remember my first playthrough when i hand crafted almost everything and after like 50 hours on the save i was JUST getting oil

[jagged nymph]

no he doesnt, dont follow tutorials to a tee but its good for seeing general ideas of how the game works

[reef basin]

learning on your own is way better, because you learn the actual skill, not just the one build. If you just copy-paste a tutorial, you'll be in the same situation for next factory

[wispy osprey]

Min maxing power is annoying though

[reef basin]

99% of the game has ingame tutorial that pushes you to the direction the game wants you to go

[jagged nymph]

yeah im not saying to copy paste, but itll teach some great concepts that you need to learn like manifolds n stuff

[whole drum]

I agree with this on basically everything except pipes--definitely read the manual.

[reef basin]

last time we checked, like 80% of tutorials taught people weird or even wrong things. Not to mention that many are outdated

[wispy osprey]

I learned manifolds on day 1

Taught myself*

[jagged nymph]

yeah but some are good

[reef basin]

but the new player doesn't know which ones are those

and still, better way is to experiment on your own and only come here with actual issues

[jagged nymph]

and im not disagreeing with that, but itll certainly take much longer to learn while playing by yourself without help

[lapis shadow]

Just tested it and creatures can definitely open them but they can't actually pathfind through it so they don't try to open them, nor will they pathfind through a door (even doors set to always open). Seems like they'll never go through a door unless they have direct LOS of a pioneer, otherwise they see it teh same as a wall 🤷‍♂️ Kinda interesting as I woulda thought only pioneers trigger them too haha

[reef basin]

but you learn in a much better way, because tutorials teach you only one way how to do something

while experimenting on your own, you find your own style instead of being forced to someone's else style

[whole drum]

The only tutorials I would genuinely advise for new players are the ones about UI/controls that demonstrate non-obvious features/qol or time-saving type stuff

[covert quarry]

🍿

[jagged nymph]

yes, but for example you might go through an entire playthrough without knowing what a manifold is, but watching a tutorial may show you they exist. im not saying watch a tutorial for how to build and entire factory, just some simple ideas

[wispy osprey]

Converter is what I was thinking of sorry, raw ore can be made into other raw ore

[opaque creek]

https://youtu.be/IUHaFeRYYtc?si=YWauH61CHumxLVw3

[jagged nymph]

wow so funny 😐

[opaque creek]

thank you:))

[jagged nymph]

with the voicemod voice too 😭

[opaque creek]

i appreciate it

[reef basin]

but you don't need manifold to play the game

[jagged nymph]

yeah but it is a very very helpful thing, you also dont need miners but that doesnt mean they arent important

[reef basin]

well, there's "need" and "need"

miners - 99.999% of people will "need" one of them at some point
manifolds - not really "required" to do anything the game wants you to do

there's not really an alternative to mine ores (other than by hand), but there's alternatives to do between-machine-logistics

[jagged nymph]

i just dont see how theres any harm in getting taught how something like a manifold works without figuring it out. As long as you know why it works and how to extrapolate from that, why is it bad

[reef basin]

the "harm" is recommending people to go to youtube to learn, instead of going in the game and learning there

[sterile blade]

I don't mean for this to sound cruel, but if one really did go through the game like that, I feel like they would be learning a lot from the experience and the late realization of how they just scratched the logistical surface of the game (ie: how much they missed) ^^

[jagged nymph]

youve yet to say why going to youtube is bad, just stating that it is. im not saying that every bit of your world should be from youtube, yes you should try to do stuff on your own, but learning how to do stuff that you wouldnt have figured out on your own is not a bad thing

and again, if you are simply placing a manifold because you saw someone else do it, without knowing how it works, yeah dont do that, learn how it works and how to extend that concept

[sterile blade]

My first playthrough of Factorio, I didn't even know splitters had priority options.
If I watched a tutorial about it, now I wouldn't find it as natural to "always check what each thing can do", which is quite useful to do in much more contexts than 'how to split things in this specific example of this specific game" xD

[covert quarry]

how did one figure out the process of recycling for example? did it just pop up in their head out of nowhere?

[reef basin]

I've said it multiple times:

• many tutorials are bad or wrong
• many tutorials are outdated
• many tutorials hold your hand too much (I've dealt with so many people who were confused and lost in T5/T7 because they just copy-pasted stuff from videos or guides and had no idea how stuff actually is supposed to work)
• the few "tips and tricks" that may be useful for someone are still ideally discovered by the player itself, because most youtube videos would just tell you "this is manifold, go use it", instead of "this is one option of several"

[sterile blade]

Are you referring to the recycling recipes?
Also, from the user perspective or the creator's perspective? XD

[jagged nymph]

you could easily apply the concept of a manifold, or many other ideas in satisfactory to other games or other situations in satisfactory, and i assume the same in satifactory

[sterile blade]

Yeah, that was part of my point ^^

[tame frost]

Hello I have no upgrades for my dimensional depot what upgrades should I get for it first

[reef basin]

and I'd argue that telling someone about manifold would just make them use manifolds everywhere, which is only valid for like first 30 minutes in the game, until you get to screws, which are kinda there to teach you that you can't/shouldn't always use a manifold

[covert quarry]

no i mean irl, like did people invent stuff out of nowhere? im referring to the debate thats going on right here lol

[whole drum]

The "tips & tricks" thing is almost always the most useful content I can watch for a game--knowing what extra features, UI, controls, interactions, etc exist is immensely valuable.

[reef basin]

trial and error, same as what I'm recommending to do in SF

[reef basin]

yeah, but I almost always watch that when I'm deep in the game (e.g. halfway through), not at the start

[whole drum]

True. You don't (or at least shouldn't) use just manifolds for making RIPs

[sterile blade]

Ngl, I always wonder how people invented fermented food/sauces...

[unkempt blade]

yeah you need to learn alternatives to a single huge manifold so you can screwmax like a professional

[jagged nymph]

1. dont watch those, ask people in this server for help, or what videos are good
2. same thing
3. ive already said its bad to copy paste stuff for that exact reason,
4. same as 1, but also most "tips and tricks" videos ive seen that do tell you there are multiple options and show various options that youcould choose from

[reef basin]

Fermentation wasn't "discovered" at a single moment but evolved from accidental observations by ancient peoples, who noticed that foods like fruit juice, milk, and grains naturally transformed into sour, fizzy, or alcoholic products when left stored, leading to intentional food preservation and brewing. Early evidence points to beer from 13,000 years ago in Israel, fruit/rice drinks in 7000 BCE China, and winemaking by 6000 BCE in Georgia,

[unkempt blade]

hunger/food scarcity + happy accidents 😆

[reef basin]

new player doesn't have the knowledge to filter out what you said

[covert quarry]

well with the population on this earth, everyone is unique and talented in their own way i guess

[reef basin]

but also most "tips and tricks" videos ive seen that do tell you there are multiple options and show various options that youcould choose from
I'm yet to see a single video that would give you more alternatives to manifolds than just balancers

[sterile blade]

Yeah, the happy ones were probably a very small minority...

[jagged nymph]

well then the person should simply not use manifolds everywhere? and theyd quickly learn that manifolds wont work everywhere if the person teaching them about them didnt tell them. most of your points stem from the person not having any thoughts of their own and only doing exactly what people tell them. yknow its possible to learn about a manifold or balancer and extrapolate from that and come up with your own stuff. its not like once you learn what a manifold is its impossible to use anything else

[unkempt blade]

I hear you, I'll make a cartifold video one of these days

[whole drum]

Well, imagine leaving your grape juice in a cellar for awhile, coming back to it smelling funny, deciding "yeah, I'll drink it anyway," and getting fucked up for doing so--then deciding to repeat the experience. 😄

[reef basin]

I know the average new player on this server, I've been helping here for a long time, yes, most people blindly follow youtube videos if they are stuck

[jagged nymph]

and im saying they shouldnt do that

they should see some patterns that are common that many people use to get ideas

[reef basin]

well given that your first advice to a new player (from which this conversation spawned) was "go watch youtube tutorials", it kinda contradicts your current opinion

#satisfactory message

[sterile blade]

You can also do the opposite: learn and then deepen your knowledge or clear out your understanding with videos.
Going the other way around risks setting one in one specific path instead (eg: user sees manifold in tutorial they believe to be comprehensive, thinks that's all there is)

[whole drum]

It isn't just this server. Gaming culture tends to be very "hold my hand" and "what's the best/optimal thing?" in a lot of games. I can't count how many times people have come in here asking about the "best" alt recipes.

[reef basin]

or best anything

[unkempt blade]

cast screws for sure

[reef basin]

"best setup for iron pls"

the most generic question

[sleek delta]

i think you need iron ore

[whole drum]

Plop down a miner. GG

[jagged nymph]

and i dont mean a tutorial that goes "hey guys you should build this factory and this factory exactly like this" i mean watching some playthroughs and seeing some common patterns that people use and when they use them and when not to. i admit that i shouldnt have said "go watch some tutorials" because i shouldve explained this better

[sleek delta]

be sure to main bus your iron ore/plates/rods

[sterile blade]

"How much stuff do my machines consume/make"? 😭
||"Please read the UI of my game for me..."||

[whole drum]

I do think it's valid to watch a video that explains the difference between a manifold and a balancer, though.

[tame frost]

Yum

[unkempt blade]

it makes me feel old but I get frustrated when people ask questions on discord that could be answered by the very top result on a search engine 😆

[sterile blade]

A rare example of an always-true-statement

[reef basin]

for sure you should've specified what to watch. Though I'd argue let's plays are even worse, since people tend to just "do the same as the person in video".

Look, it's not like I wouldn't recommend ANY video. There's definitely some that could be nice for new-ish player. But purely statistically, it's better to not recommend any, because the chance of person actually finding a good video and the person understanding what to take from the video and what to ignore is very small

[jagged nymph]

same

[reef basin]

worse than that - many questions here are answered by the game directly

[sterile blade]

Do I look like Google to you?!

[reef basin]

I'm surprised how many people don't even know that there's a codex, when opening a codex is like second thing you do in this game

[whole drum]

I had the most fun learning this game on my own. I didn't look for videos until I found out pipes are not intuitive and was trying to make them work. I didn't ask for much general advice until I was already 200+ hours in.

[tame frost]

Hello I have no upgrades for my dimensional depot what upgrades should I get for it first

[jagged nymph]

whatever you think is more important

its entirely up to personal preference

[sleek delta]

i think it's not so much not knowing there's a codex so much as not realizing what you can actually get out of the codex

needs some flashing neon signs and loud explosions maybe

[tame frost]

Yeah ok

[jagged nymph]

its also very helpful that it can be used as a claculator

[sterile blade]

Which is also never explained or hinted at in any way...

[unkempt blade]

I definitely think the first playthrough at least is best doing it on your own. Stumbling a couple times is no big deal and you really get to experience the game for yourself

[tame frost]

What does everyone do when they play satisfactory like do you like to listen to music or something else

[reef basin]

that I'd agree with. But knowing there's a codex is part of the tutorial 🤷
my confusion comes from people who say "what is a codex" when I tell them to look in it

[unkempt blade]

if you're on T2 and already asking discord stuff... I guess that's how some people want to play but you lose something in the experience

[sleek delta]

build factories

[whole drum]

The spaghetti is just so absolutely glorious. I didn't know about DDs until 120 hours in, and my central storage was a centeral fustercluck as a result. You don't do that sort of thing anymore once you know what you're doing.

[jagged nymph]

i watch 3b1b usually but other than that just random shit on youtube

[sleek delta]

nah fam i'm pretty sure 95% of your satisfactory playtime is building stupid shit that does nothing for actual factory progression lmao

also why are you talking to yourself again

[unkempt blade]

yeah making the organic mess of conveyors eventually teaches you why that's not a helpful pattern 😆

[whole drum]

I missed that part too, to be fair. I wasn't aware of the codex until probably 60 hours in.

[jagged nymph]

is that not obvious 😭

[whole drum]

In fact, that was one of the more useful things I picked up from one of those "tips & tricks" videos

[unkempt blade]

Maybe not at noob-scale builds. You can get through half the game just making stuff sort-of work

[sterile blade]

I have a bit of an issue with how "spotty" the hand-holding in the game feels...
Like you go from "coal gens need coal and water to make power" to "this thing allows to filter items; go nuts" (remember when they told you how "overflow" is different from "any" or "any undefined"? No?
But we do get told how water is wet and how pumps work despite thir description already containing that info unlike smart splitters... Alright, rant over, my apologies)

[whole drum]

I was in tier 8 and my spaghetti still didn't stop me from doing anything

[jagged nymph]

ig but like the only reason i ever did spaghetti was pure laziness, and i atleast try to make it somewhat organized

[jagged nymph]

josh intensifies

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's only an issue when stuff doesn't do what you expect or you accidentally snip a conveyor and then you're there tracing conveyors for half an hour haha

[reef basin]

tbh, "overflow", "any" and "any undefined" seem pretty straight to me 🤔

and I kinda like when the game doesn't explain everything in detail but just gives you tools to play with.

I agree it could be a bit more explaining, but I definitely don't want the tutorial to be too much hand holding

[jagged nymph]

yeah i think those options are pretty self explanatory

[whole drum]

I do want a proper in-game tutorial/manual for pipes tho

[unkempt blade]

if you didn't have access to a wiki or whatever it's also pretty easy to set up experiments for those options with a couple storage containers and find out exactly how it works

[whole drum]

ADA making vague references to gravity while talking about pumps doesn't cut it

[jagged nymph]

yeah, the amount of times ive seen someone place 500 pumps on a flat, or even downhill pipe is painful

[whole drum]

But it's understandable, because intuitively you would assume pumps apply pressure to the system

[unkempt blade]

It's like painting a flame on the side of a sportscar. It adds performance even if you're the only one who realizes it

[jagged nymph]

exactly, but the game never explains it

[jagged nymph]

lmao

[reef basin]

well the game tells you what the pumps do in the pump description. It doesn't tell you it provides pressure 😉

[whole drum]

There's a lot that the UI doesn't tell you about what things do/don't tho

[jagged nymph]

well the fact that almost every new player doesnt understand how it works proves that isnt sufficient at explaining it

[reef basin]

oh I'm not saying the game explains fluid perfectly
but too many things that "people don't understand" don't come from the game, but from those people - they assume something works in certain way without verifying it

[whole drum]

But they don't have a way to verify it clearly in some cases

Especially with regard to liquids, because there's a lot of weird behaviors involved

[reef basin]

for sure, but again not my point

[lilac bear]

Fluid dynamics comes more naturally to some people than to others, but dumbing down the game isn't the answer either.

[jagged nymph]

and usually, the way they assume it works is the way it intuitively should work. if theres something that isnt very intuitive, the game should explicitly explain it

[whole drum]

I don't think an explanation is "dumbing down" anything

[jagged nymph]

yeah

[calm mango]

True

[reef basin]

that's not the problem I have, the thing I'm talking about is "I thought it will be the same as [other game]"

[calm mango]

Liquids have by far been the most annoying part of my playthrough

[whole drum]

Yeah, that's fair enough. Similarity with others games doesn't mean same as them.

[calm mango]

Like my factory isnt the best but it's not spaghetti, but my water burners? Straight up pasta EVERYWHERE

[unkempt blade]

I actually think pumps are one of the better-explained parts of liquids... valves and buffers on the other hand I think have some confusing unexplained behavior sometimes

[jagged nymph]

yeah assuming its like an unrelated game is strange, and thats definitely on them, but a simple explanation like "pumps are required when moving fluid vertically up a pipe, and is not required on pipes that dont increase in height" or something similar, im not great at wording stuff like that, could be great.

[jagged nymph]

true

[whole drum]

Buffers are the worst, lol

[reef basin]

valves should just have "DO NOT USE" in their description and we'd have half of the fluid issues we have

same for buffers

[lilac bear]

Satisfactory is just factorio in 3D right? /s

[whole drum]

Make valves optional mod

[jagged nymph]

lol yeah i dont think ive EVER used a valve or a buffer

[reef basin]

well tbh buffer is good for fluid trains, but practically only for that

[lilac bear]

You burn your water?

[jagged nymph]

ive also never used a fluid train

[reef basin]

yeah, usually you build near fluids

[jagged nymph]

yeah, and if you need to train it, you package it

[reef basin]

I'd disagree with this

[merry granite]

you could look at it like its much more fun to experiment with things to figure out how fluid works on your own rather than being spoonfed. some people like that some people dont

[calm mango]

The coal powered generators

[lilac bear]

I always bring my parts toward the fluid, not the fluid towards the rest of the part.

[reef basin]

for gasses, sure - package it
for liquids though, fluid trains are imo fine

[lilac bear]

Unless it's nitric acid, but that's my own stupid mistake...

[jagged nymph]

ig but i dont like working with fluids so i just poackage it

[whole drum]

I think something along the lines of "The pressure in a liquid system is proportional to the fullness ratio of the capacity of that system" is maybe not the most intuitive statement, but reasonably describes it well enough for people to solves 90% of their pipe issues that aren't merely headlift or basic input/output calculation.

[unkempt blade]

I usually just throw extra trains at the problem. The simplifying and power saving from not needing all the packager setups is usually worth it imo

[whole drum]

I agree with this when the expected behaviors are reasonably intuitive--but that's not the case with liquids in SF.

[jagged nymph]

yeah, its up to personal preference, but i like working with belts instead of pipes

[calm mango]

Imagine if you could put liquids on belts...

[jagged nymph]

you can, you use this thing called a packager

[calm mango]

I see...

[unkempt blade]

CSS waterslides when?!?

[jagged nymph]

thats like literally the entire purpose of the packager lol

[whole drum]

And it lets you use a monitor to measure throughput neatly

[calm mango]

I like just got phase one of the space thingy so I don't know anything icl

[jagged nymph]

thatd explain it, packager is after yo ucomplete phase 2

[reef basin]

if the monitors were actually accurate

[calm mango]

Mm I see, I'm working on advanced steel production and actually crying at these pipes to set up more generators

Actually the worst thing I've ever seen

[jagged nymph]

lemme see post a pic in #screenshots

[calm mango]

I made a #1038092680493801533

Cause it's genuinely pmo

[whole drum]

This is the proper place for it anyway. Good job.

[reef basin]

generally we recommend people to post images in #1038092680493801533 , as that's much easier way to talk

[jagged nymph]

i see

[south sinew]

does the APA remind anyone else of the starting experiment from Half-Life?

[reef basin]

#screenshots is only really useful for showing of builds

[jagged nymph]

i mean i was just wanting to see what it looked like cause the way he said it made it sound like he had spaghetti pipes

[calm mango]

Ik, I worked with support in a difference discord and I'm not trying to get crucified or non

[jagged nymph]

and i was curious as to the extent of the spaghetti

[calm mango]

Oh I can show you the spaghetti I have powering everything rn

[hot mango]

anyone noticed how you find a new creature that you kill but the usual creaters you normaly see/kill dont spawn in any more?

[reef basin]

things do not spawn when you build a factory near their spawn location

"factory" afaik means "powered building"

[hot mango]

yes i know this but that was not my question

[south sinew]

killing creatures doesn't stop new ones from spawning in

[hot mango]

are you sure about that because i kill creatures a lot and they have stopped spawning in in my game at least

[leaden turret]

killing them doesn't stop spawn, powered buildings stops spawn.

you'd just be killing the ones that already spawned.

[hot mango]

hmm well i changed a belt that runs past them so maybe that did it, no building there tho, it must be the belts

thanks guys

[brazen cove]

guys, do i required to have detonator for nobelisk? i mean i got it from a christmas calender?

[whole drum]

Do a hard Save/Load and the ones not near your factory should respawn.

[jagged nymph]

yes you do

id honestly just sink the ones you got from the calander

[brazen cove]

great, at what lvl of elevator do i get acces to it? my hands really want to use my nuke nobelisk...

[jagged nymph]

they give a good amount of tickets and they arent very useful AND nobelisks are super easy to make anyway

[jagged nymph]

its in the sulfur tree of the MAM

[hot mango]

yes

[brazen cove]

got it.. so i can basically get acces to it even at any point?

[jagged nymph]

yeah i dont remember what exactly it needs though other than sulfur and coal

youll have to check the mam

[brazen cove]

do you have access to nuke nobelisk? if yes, tell me please how hard does it explode

[jagged nymph]

not that much

you can go into a creative save and test it out

[brazen cove]

not that different from a normal one?

[jagged nymph]

radioactive

[brazen cove]

ok and that is basically it?

[jagged nymph]

i think its a lil bigger i dont remember

[brazen cove]

i thought it would erase like half of my map

[jagged nymph]

😭

[whole drum]

Regular nobs require Steel Pipes and Compacted Coal (Coal + Sulfur).
Cluster requires Smokeless Powder (so add oil)

[brazen cove]

yeah what a disappointment lol

[calm mango]

#screenshots message

There's the pasta

[jagged nymph]

thats actually not that bad

[calm mango]

I personally think it looks atrocious

That's why I'm trying to redo everything (hence the help post)

[sterile blade]

I partly agree. What irks me the most is the incostisency as the game first treats you like a baby, then kinda drops the ball (no filters explanation, useful keys lacking tooltips or mentions, building mechanics never explained...)
Like, why go through the trouble of explaining that one will get all materials back from dismantling (which could be obvious from the dismantle tool's list of reclaimed items alone) and then never mention how you can replace some buildings without dismantling?

[whole drum]

Sis needs to learn about landscape mode

[calm mango]

What's that

[whole drum]

Rotate your phone 90*

[hot mango]

mamma mia

[calm mango]

Oh

[calm mango]

It was turned man wdym

My phones just stupid

[whole drum]

Tryna break my neck turning my head to view those pics, lol

[hot mango]

i got sharp shooting pains now i looked lol

[calm mango]

Rotate your phone 90º :3

[brazen cove]

how often do they make updates in the game?

[whole drum]

I'm not on phone

[calm mango]

Damns

[hot mango]

so what would you like us to help you with sam

[whole drum]

Since y'all wanna talk about spaghetti, I gotta pull up my old save lol

[jagged nymph]

imma check if i even still have my first save

[hot mango]

yup i dont play my old save no more

[unkempt blade]

major updates maybe a couple times a year and smaller fixes and stuff pretty regularly when they're not on holiday

[hallow kiln]

I finished phase 2 after 30 hours. Am I cooked

[unkempt blade]

how many vehicles are you using?

[green fiber]

Youre still raw - gordon ramsay would throw a fit over you

[lilac bear]

My original save is guaranteed to be no longer working.

[calm mango]

ADA is such a debby downer man 😭

[hallow kiln]

zero

[hot mango]

ikr, miss misery

[whole drum]

Yeah, so uh...
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1456610420075794588

[calm mango]

Immaculate

[whole drum]

Yes, very neat, orderly, and organized. Definitely that.

[calm mango]

Let's game it out coded icl

[wispy osprey]

"Signal loops into self"

I'm tired boss

How the fuck do i path/block a 4 way rail intersection

[whole drum]

The last screenshot is actually funny. It's considerably cleaned up since I tore down and rebuilt all the stuff that I had there early on in the save.

[calm mango]

Playing on a steam deck is amazing cause anytime I do ANYTHING the fans kick on

Generator? Fan
Pipes? Fan
Lizard doggo? FANS

[green fiber]

"Im your biggest fan"

[upper gale]

Sounds like my laptop

[green fiber]

Dont put the signal right at the splits, put them before that

Since 1.1 signals sometimes just dont work when you put them right at a split

[wispy osprey]

Path and block just before a turn?

[green fiber]

Any signal before a split.
Turn is a weird choice of word here

[wispy osprey]

Path start block exit

[green fiber]

That still holds up for the most part
(conditions apply)

But you gotta move the signals so they arent right on a junction

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1456612750934413325
Josh has me beat, but the difference is that he did it deliberately. I was just stoopid.

[hard ivy]

signals sometimes glitch when placed right where rails split/merge.
place them before splits and after merges

[unkempt blade]

sounds like you're not doing enough funmaxing so you might be cooked after all

[wispy osprey]

What is "block has no exit signal" ?

[lunar python]

Means the block has no exit

[hard ivy]

it means there is no signal after that one

[lunar python]

So you need another block

[wispy osprey]

Hmm

I wish building an intersection wasn't this mind numbing

[whole drum]

There are ways to get bigger blueprints

[upper gale]

Another possible solution: don't build an intersection
(joking)

[whole drum]

Yeah, just don't use trains. EZ

[wispy osprey]

When they're automated how does the train decide when to turn or go straight

Or do i actually have to go to intersections and decide that

[hard ivy]

it chooses the shortest route to its next destination

[wispy osprey]

When it's done on station one i send it back to the intersection for station 2 and then it comes back to base

I think that's how I wanna set up my time tables anyway

[whole drum]

There are several valid ways to set up your trains and timetables

But the worst one is single rail

Unless it's strictly single car end-to-end

But even that may not be ideal because you could be losing efficiency on it

[wispy osprey]

I prefer organized circuits anyway

[whole drum]

Single rail circuit isn't generally advised either

Should usually double rail circuit

Ofc, depends on your needs

[wispy osprey]

The 4 way intersection I'm testing is 2-rail, go and return

[whole drum]

Sounds like you have a solid idea

[wispy osprey]

If i don't need trains to go in 3 different directions then I need a T-junction which is easier to build

[whole drum]

For sure

Anyhow, it's late. I should rest.

[hard ivy]

it's really not any easier or harder. it's basically the same thing with 6 rails missing

[whole drum]

G'night, folks

[wispy osprey]

Goodnight

What is "waiting for path reservation"

[hard ivy]

That's the normal state of path signals

[broken niche]

what's the easiesdt way to get rid of water from making aluminum

[wispy osprey]

Thanks

[hard ivy]

Putting it back into alumina solution

[broken niche]

genius

[crisp barn]

what can cause a drain rate to fluctuate between 200-600

[brazen cove]

guys, what is the most fun phase in your opinion?

[clear tartan]

is the steel screw a good recipe

[crisp barn]

phase 3, not too easy, not too grindy

[clear tartan]

or are cast screws good

[brazen cove]

i think so

[grizzled lotus]

as others have told me, all recipes are good, it's just that they're situational. Some recipes require more parts but produce more, this is good if you can get more materials. Some recipes require less parts, this is good if material input is a problem. Some recipes are convenient (but require more), this is also good if getting different parts is a problem.

A good example of the last one is turning iron ingots into steel pipes.

[covert quarry]

is there like an easy fuel resource besides collecting leaves that u can get early game?

[clear tartan]

ok

[grizzled lotus]

when you first start the game you're forced to use leaves and wood, other and better forms will be unlocked soon

[south sinew]

I'd say that some like biocoal are pretty crap

[wispy osprey]

Check screenshots for my (not symmetrical) 4-way intersection testing

[grizzled lotus]

a few things to keep in mind. There are more drives than recipes, so you'll get all the recipes eventually. Another thing, if you see a recipe you don't like and you've already rescanned, just keep it in the library. That way when you scan another drive the recipes that are still available for choice won't be chosen again

[hardy vector]

depends. if you you're using by chance the coal-reverse-process mod, there is a quite nice exploit to exponentially create more biomass via biocoal

[hard ivy]

No screws are better than any screws

[south sinew]

obviously that's a totally separate discussion from normal gameplay

[wispy osprey]

I think I've been away from screws for awhile

[south sinew]

cast screw is fine if you receive that alt very early on

otherwise skip

[grizzled lotus]

I'm just reiterating what most people are saying. I think some recipes are objectively good such as iron ingots -> steel pipes and iron ingots ->screws because who wants more headaches? But some people are really into maximizing production etc and don't really mind planning minute details

like, why would I ever choose biocoal?

so yeah, i kind of agree with you

[south sinew]

for most alt recipes there are some tradeoffs and they could be good if you want some set of tradeoffs

but there's a few stinkers that are completely worthless I feel

[grizzled lotus]

true. a really good recipe I skipped was making circuit boards out of plastic and petro cake, which I realized later on meant I only needed oil for that lol

[south sinew]

and a few where there's pretty minimal tradeoff and are just better than the base recipes almost all the time

[wispy osprey]

I think the game legit gave me alternate biocoal, I don't remember choosing it

[grizzled lotus]

just keep it in the hard drive library, that way it won't spawn again when you scan drives again

[cerulean dawn]

my refinery keeps idling for whatever reason.

it has crude oil and i’m turning it into fuel and Polymer resin.

it has more than enough crude oul but just keeps halting and i need to manually restart it

[south sinew]

not sinking polymer resin?

[cerulean dawn]

i’m making plastic and rubber from it

[grizzled lotus]

this is something with all machines, but refineries especially. if the output is full and there's no where for it to go, it idles

[cerulean dawn]

the output is idle

my refinery making the plastic and rubber hasn’t got any resin

because the refinery turning oil i to resin and fuel keeps idling for some strange reason

[grizzled lotus]

huh. what about the fuel output?

[cerulean dawn]

theres nothing being outputted

[grizzled lotus]

is there room in the fuel lines to receive more? and is the fuel generator on the same level as the refinery?

[cerulean dawn]

theres adequate power going in, theres 50/6 crude oil going in.

but nothing is being made

oh yea…

i didn’t realise it filled up that fast

i’m an idiot lol

[grizzled lotus]

yeah, liquids are a problem since they can fill up quickly and clog production

[grizzled lotus]

no worries, has to happen a few times at least to every one

[wispy osprey]

I secretly wish Mercer spheres respawned

[open gust]

Is wiki.gg the best resource for this game outside of the in game index?

[wispy osprey]

I haven't had any issues looking stuff up on that website early on

[paper wagon]

Guys, what can I build in Satisfactory for a 10-hour Twitch stream?

[reef basin]

it's the only up-to-date wiki, yeah. Though there are other non-wiki third-party resources you can rely upon, however the game itself gives you most of the info you need

[reef basin]

a constructor

[grizzled lotus]

maybe a big megafactory or something

[brazen cove]

longest man cannon ever

[grizzled lotus]

some people have really cool aesthetics if you could do that that'd be great

[grizzled lotus]

though honestly you don't need to make a very large cannon to kill yourself by going to space

[covert quarry]

not to sound dumb but 10 leaves is the same as 5 Biomass made by the leaves right?

[brazen cove]

yes but no one is stopping you to make it curvy

[grizzled lotus]

for whatever leaves or wood you have, if you turn it into biomass it generates more power

[reef basin]

only planning for the megafactory would be longer than the 10 hours

[covert quarry]

thx

[grizzled lotus]

true. that's why I haven't even considered it

[paper wagon]

I am currently in the endgame phase 5.

[grizzled lotus]

uh, any thoughts on making a storage hub? I think I may have a use for it practically since I have stuff in different parts of the world. I'll have trains bring them from wherever they are to a big storage building

[open gust]

How do yall even plan for builds? I just put out spaghetti and hope everything works enough to make look nice later

[brazen cove]

make the biggest nuclear reactor you can, pollute your world!

[grizzled lotus]

I was like that, then I planned simple stuff just for practicallity, I don't go crazy

[paper wagon]

I already have them.

[brazen cove]

does your world stink with radiation?

if not built more lol

like a full factory idk

[golden nexus]

Thrre multiple approaches, it changes from build to build and the stage of the game

[paper wagon]

yeah

[reef basin]

looking nice and planning builds are two different things for me

I make it functional, "looking nice" comes with practice

for planning I start at end product, work backwards to raw ores together with choosing recipes for the build based on what I want to use for the item, then find a place that has the nodes needed for the build, build there, repeat

[brazen cove]

or maybe build a chernobyl, with at least some some decorations

[paper wagon]

If nuclear power plants could be made to explode, then I would build one.

[wispy osprey]

Live, laugh, consume

[brazen cove]

yeah that would be cool.. or just throw a bunch of nuke nobelisks and then it would make it a little more realistic

[grizzled lotus]

@reef basin thoughts?

[brazen cove]

lol

[reef basin]

only if you don't want to use depots for some reason

[wispy osprey]

Anyone else like the squishy yoink noise of picking up a power slug?

[open gust]

I want to redo all my factories. First time playing and I’m only on phase 2 of space elevator.
My steel production is a bunch of convayers and power lines going through stuff

[golden nexus]

It takes time to learn how to make the factories work, its not as easy as it seems. Something that helps i find is building vertically

[grizzled lotus]

they're getting a bit too many. just feels hectic/cluttery

[grizzled lotus]

the general piece of wisdom around here is to almost never dismantle/tear down, just build more

if you're at steel I think reorganizing your hub isn't a bad idea since it won't take time, but later on it's just much better to move out and build. the map is pretty big, you get to explore more, etc

[golden nexus]

Which isn't actually wisdom tbh

[open gust]

It’s really bad. Like everything can be better.
I just got my power sorted out and it sucked so bad to have to keep it running while putting in new stuff

[grizzled lotus]

I forgot what's the actual english term 😅

but I just find it practical

[golden nexus]

Theres a lot to be said about, do not destroy a bad automation before building its replacement though

[golden nexus]

I tend to thnik the real wisdom in the game comes from being able to work with a flexible design. Which permits refuse by repurposing as the requirments change as you progress

[delicate sapphire]

HI everyone, just started the game 2 days ago. what is the best early game fuel resource that is easy to maintain for my generators? so far i have been using the leaves and woods around me, but i am kinda running out of them.

[open gust]

Also if I want an area to have all the stuff I make stored in one spot is there a way to avoid spaghetti with just the default splitter/mergers?

[golden nexus]

You go biomass -> solid biofuel -> coal

[golden nexus]

Get quantum depot....

[open gust]

Idk what that is

[golden nexus]

Research sam node, its like a storage container that teleports the items to your inventory

[sullen gull]

*Dimensional Depot...

[exotic frigate]

Dump leaves and wood into storage boxes and make mini factories for solid biofuel. Its cheap, easy, and very good

Also put power shards into your biofuel burners for extra power

[open gust]

SAM is like the one research thing I can’t find I’m sure I’ll figure it out eventually

[golden nexus]

Example of an early game power supply btw #screenshots message

[exotic frigate]

Sam nodes are usually hidden in caves

[sullen gull]

Or up on a plateau

[delicate sapphire]

thanks for the help ❤️

[exotic frigate]

Np!

Hope you get coal power fast!

[open gust]

All I’ve been finding is sphere, slugs, and oceans

[sullen gull]

Where are you on the map?

[golden nexus]

Did you start int he grass fields?

[open gust]

Yeah

[sullen gull]

Under the giant arch

[golden nexus]

Look below the giant arch

[sullen gull]

However, that one can be annoying if you don't have a jetpack or weapons other than the zapper

[golden nexus]

There one up the hill as well, another to the east

[open gust]

I have a ladders and rebar gun with some quarts shots

I’ll have to explore better ig. I’ll check out “giant arch” next time I get on

[golden nexus]

Hint: #screenshots message

[open gust]

Worst thing I’ve seen was a giant irradiated hog. So the rebar guns seems fine enough to me.
Haven’t ventured that far again yet.

[eager harbor]

I bought the game today

And idk what am doing lol

[open gust]

I bought it two days ago and still don’t know much

[eager harbor]

Is it lucky

I got 2 iron deposits next to each other

._.

[sullen gull]

I would say get used to exploring. The game will eventually coax you to build in other locations.

[eager harbor]

guys what do I do my copper deposit is 300 meters away

from my iron deposit

[sullen gull]

300m is nothing in this game.

[eager harbor]

really?

[eager harbor]

but am beginner what should I do

[sullen gull]

Are you still on Onboarding?

[eager harbor]

uh

am on hub 2

[open gust]

Smash rock with hand

[eager harbor]

._.

[eager harbor]

Oh thx I didn't know u could do it to the ground too

[clear tartan]

so is there any actual way to make conveyors neat into assemblers?

[sullen gull]

Ok, so yeah. Just pay attention to some of the stuff ADA says and build. Also, a couple tips, you can Hold E (or whatever it is for console) while you run around to gather leaves/wood. You don't have you hold the craft button at the workbench, can just hit it once. And, don't fret too much about building on the ground for now, or how it all looks for your first playthrough.

[sullen gull]

I personally like using a 4-6m "logistics floor"

[eager harbor]

what do I do with gifts

[wispy osprey]

Why are there 50,000 radioactive hogs in the large tree forest

Just let me get my Mercer spheres

[sullen gull]

In the hub, there is a calendar (May need to be fully upgraded first). Every Christmas the game opens up Fiscmas to celebrate. You'll have till Jan 18th to mess about with it.

[eager harbor]

what does the calendar give

[sullen gull]

OK, gotta run and install a new motor in a robot. Will be around later.

[eager harbor]

wait where is the calendar

I can't see it in the hub

[sullen gull]

It's like an advant calander. Gives more reciepes for Christamsy things.

[sullen gull]

Like I said, You'll most llikely have to finish upgrading the hub.

[eager harbor]

kk

[open gust]

This helped me so much. Most helpful thing I got was the recipe that made screws skip the rod step
And 20 overclock slug thingys

Then I turned the event off bc the presents got on my nerves

[eager harbor]

Is it really op

[sullen gull]

That wouldn't have come from the advent calander. Also, try not to listen to the "hype" that screws are bad. It's the first items that teaches how to manage large production quantities.

[eager harbor]

Why what’s wrong with screws

[open gust]

It was just convenient being able to skip a production step so early in the game

[sullen gull]

What you're referring should have come from scanning a Hard Drive..

[open gust]

Yeah. I got a hard drive from the calendar

[eager harbor]

What’s wrong about screws?

[open gust]

Nothing really. It’s just another crafting resource you need to make

[eager harbor]

I was watching beginner guide and he was like screws we hate

Idk why tho

[cerulean dawn]

is it better to make Resin to get plastic and rubber.

or make plastic and rubber directly

[sullen gull]

Imo, nothing. However, because there are recipes that can "eliminate" it from a production chain, people have gone on rants saying that they suck. Mostly due to later reciepes calling for higher quantities than other items.

[eager harbor]

Oh

[eager harbor]

So they become inefficient late game

[open gust]

They are just slightly more involved to make early and you need lots of them for production parts

[sullen gull]

Go hunting for hard drives, find the recylcled alts, and produce with those.

[eager harbor]

Is it true there is a train in the game

What’s the train for tho

[sullen gull]

No. You may just need to "manage" belts better and such.

[sullen gull]

OK, really need to run. bbl.

[eager harbor]

Should I just do things manually for now?

[open gust]

Just finish the hub and go from there. You’ll unlock stuff each step to help you

[eager harbor]

K