satisfactory

[feral jay]

There's a mod or two for powered splitters though, if you power a splitter, it changes the output belt or something like that, I've never used them

[stray wagon]

It just randomly started doing a lot of damage and melting through my filters

[median geyser]

No worries, if it cant be done it cant be done 🤷 Thanks guys

[whole drum]

Did you pick up some of the material by accident?

Maybe from deconstructing one of the plants?

[feral jay]

The basic answer is that they don't want to add logic gates to the game

[stray wagon]

That’s lowk might be it

I didn’t know you couldn’t pick up the uranium but that makes sense

[whole drum]

Yeah, when you hold it, it melts the fk outta ya

Can also bug out, causing you to keep taking rads even after it's out of your inventory (fixed with save/load).

[feral jay]

Uh yeah, don't pick up or hold anything radioactive until you have LOTS of rad filters. The instant you hold anything radioactive in your inventory, you either take max damage, or go through iodine filters at the max rate

[inner lintel]

chat I finished phase 5

[feral jay]

And also, radioactivity is a wee bit buggy, it can stick around where it shouldn't

[feral jay]

You beat the game?

[inner lintel]

I'm trying

[feral jay]

No do you mean phase 5, or tier 5?

[inner lintel]

phase 5

[feral jay]

yea then you beat the game

That ain't nuffin

[inner lintel]

I tried real hard

[feral jay]

Now the real challenge begins

Do it again, but with a wackadoodle self-imposed restriction

[inner lintel]

nah

[feral jay]

No, you're playing the game wrong. Do it again, but this time without making any ammunition, at all.

A "No Killing" run

But anyway, congrats

Not an easy game to beat

[real shale]

It's a disgusting map, it needs exploited for everything it has and all of it destroyed

[feral jay]

Blasphemy

[real shale]

Red bamboo fields are just gone on my save

[feral jay]

That, I understand

[real shale]

Destroyed for the placement of a 5400 coke/min factory

I wish I could burn the red forest down, but sadly I do not have the means to do so, so bombs shall suffice

[feral jay]

Nuke it from orbit

[real shale]

There's nothing more disgusting than seeing soil or any sort of resemblance of nature on my world

[median geyser]

Im abount to attempt to pave over most of the red desert to start setting up my starter factory. This should be fun 😂

[winged basalt]

hi

[agile mountain]

Bro i just looked at my current factory (~8 hours of playtime) from a heightened viewpoint and it's interesting to say the least💀😭

[severe pewter]

I prefer to look at the soil from underground

[real shale]

Tear it all down, turn the planet into a ecumenopolis

[severe pewter]

Dr. Robotnik nods in approval

[merry current]

||is it possible to ride the space elevator up to the top of the skybox?||

[native tapir]

Yes. But you can get out of the skybox entirely and build in space too

[merry current]

im trying to knock out a few of the remaining achievements I have, and I had heard that you can get the one for highest altitude by riding the elevator when you send something up. But I tried to get up on that platform that seems to be what goes up, and I can't get on to it

[native tapir]

easiest way is to just hypertube launch yourself. Takes maybe 5 min to set up

hypertube cannon

[cunning glade]

It's time too start making 50 hmf

Then computer time

[winged basalt]

someone say computer!?

[versed cosmos]

you mean 0.5?

[cunning glade]

No 50 a min

[severe pewter]

Supercomputers btw. I got lazy and only built one manufacturer. But it is doing the work of 5.

[merry current]

worked like a charm, I already had a tube cannon set to launch me across the map, just had to re-point it. Either I was going way faster than I needed to, or max height is lower than I thought. I thought I was going to hit that lava planet or the ringed planet before my corpse hit apogee and started falling again

[versed cosmos]

ride the thing on the hub when u launch a milestone

that's how i got it

[daring ravine]

Hi everyone i start the game but i can't do the event can you help me ?

Im on ps5

[merry current]

unfortunately I had finished all milestones, nothing more to launch for

[versed cosmos]

but have an empty inventory cause the death crate can be a bit buggy

oh rip

hypertube cannon then

[merry current]

but all good, cannon worked

[cunning glade]

Just hyper tube cannon into the sky

Hmf is easy tbh only really needs 4k iron

[severe pewter]

Is your game dropping presents?

[cunning glade]

I should do rubber first

[daring ravine]

Yes but i can use it

I dont know how use it

Pls help me

[severe pewter]

You need to run them through a producer to make your first item. Unlocks are done through the MAM. If you don't have that, build at least 5? storage containers. I cut corners by using a lot of Somersloops.

But you're going to need a lot of presents

[daring ravine]

Im already at unlock mam

I dont have now but is a question time

[severe pewter]

Okay, it's the FICMAS event

[daring ravine]

I need mam for the event ?? Is ok ?

[severe pewter]

Also, outside your starting base room, across from the crafting bench, is a Poster. Clicking on that will take you to an Advent Calendar. The numbers all have gifts.

You need MAM to unlock the event recipes

[daring ravine]

I have already open all advent

[daring ravine]

Ok tks have a good days

[severe pewter]

You too

[cunning glade]

With alts u can normally replace plastic or rubber right?

Like kinda switch between the 2

[severe pewter]

Not sure, but I just change the outputs from plastic to rubber as needed, or vice versa

[sweet jacinth]

I'm currently at 55 ballistic warp drives. It seems like it's been forever so I'm so happy to see these numbers finally going up! What made it take longer I'm sure is that my max power consumption isn't even at 90k. My consumption maxes out around 25k when my two particle accelerators are going at the same time.

[young rivet]

Why do I always get that IRL falling feeling when I fall in satisfactory?

[merry current]

probably the same reason I can't play Subnautica, I involuntarily hold my breath

and I also get vertigo when I get near the edge of high ledges in this game

[sweet jacinth]

I can't play that damn game. I'm the type i have a fear of the unknown and I can't handle being underwater where I can't see

[leaden turret]

||exposure therapy||

terrible joke, putting thing behind spoiler tags: re fear of the unknown.

I had issues playing L4D due to the dynamic nature of combat being impossible to learn a level by rote to avoid spoopiness, so I getcha 😅

[sweet jacinth]

Lol nope. I have something called irrational selachophobia. Exposure therapy is not good for me lol

[south idol]

i only get that feeling when i dont have some means of avoiding fall damage

[sweet jacinth]

I didn't know that's what that was at first. That's why I put a question mark for a second but then realized it.

[leaden turret]

no scuba cage diving lessons for you then

[sweet jacinth]

Fuck no. Id kill to avoid that situation.

[leaden turret]

also I thought the whole point of phobias is that they were irrational.

[sweet jacinth]

Mine is considered irrational because mine is based in pools. Somewhere that sharks physically couldn't be.

[leaden turret]

knows well enough not to um actually that

[severe pewter]

I think I might've given myself a fear of the void by playing around too many void areas of video games as a kid

[leaden turret]

there's a game that you should probably avoid because part of the gameplay loop is putting a shark places that sharks physically couldn't be

[severe pewter]

Jak n' Daxter did something like that to keep you from swimming out of bounds

[sweet jacinth]

Lol yup I'm good

[leaden turret]

(you play as the shark)

[sweet jacinth]

Oh absolutely not lol

YESSSSS I'M FINALLY DONE WITH PHASE 5

[leaden turret]

[home simpson to bart meme template] you're done with phase 5 for now

[limpid orchid]

What is this i just wanted to get Bauxite and died 5 Times and now have to wait all the Times for my Resources so i can Build Train Tracks

I NEVER HAD TO WAIT

And i had such a Struggle bc there was a lot of Radioactive stuff and horrible to get through.

[dense violet]

often alts replace something with either rubber or plastic, I don't remember any that swap rubber for plastic or vice versa

[severe pewter]

Phase 5+ is better

[agile mountain]

Sitting here handcrafting iron plates for phase 1🥲👍

I'm in the middle of getting the automation done I swear

[severe pewter]

Just depends on how permanent/how much you want. I've only needed 240/min so far, and it was all for the advanced plates anyway.

But quick n dirty only takes 2 min to throw down

[limpid orchid]

At the end. WIll you have all Alt Recipes?

[sweet jacinth]

Only if you track down the hard drives. I literally just finished the game and I only did about 30 of them.

[ocean frost]

Raid a crash site or 2

[sweet jacinth]

Phase 5+?

[severe pewter]

Don't worry about it

[agile mountain]

I got done with them luckily lol, just felt like complaining a bit

[limpid orchid]

Doesnt it go up to Phase 20?

[sweet jacinth]

No. Phase 5 is the end.

[agile mountain]

I really ought to get off and get some sleep but every time I think about it there's a small thing I need to fix and then another half hour passes

[sweet jacinth]

There's 48 milestones to complete. 9 tiers

[sweet jacinth]

Welcome to gaming lmao.

[agile mountain]

Only Minecraft has been able to keep me distracted this much prior lmfao

[sweet jacinth]

Try downloading basic machines and advanced machines on Minecraft. It turns Minecraft into this lol

[agile mountain]

I don't think the existence of my other hobbies can handle more this unfortunately

[sweet jacinth]

Lol

I should clarify I'm on Xbox. We've only had access to the game about a month or so how.

November 4th. And i just finished with 367 hours in.

[agile mountain]

Oh dear goodness

(no offense)

I got roughly 10 hours at this point having picked it up the day after Christmas

[brazen coral]

Is lag causing throughput bottlenecking? I am just now getting stuff switched over to mk 6 belts and lifts but it seems to cap at 780 still...

[reef basin]

Yes

[reef basin]

Probably leftover mk5 piece somewhere

[green fiber]

if you are getting 780/min then it must be a hidden mk 5 belt somewhere

[brazen coral]

If that's the case, I might have to undo the whole set and redo the blueprint because it was part of a blueprint but I don't see any residual Mark 5

[limpid orchid]

I just at the time that i want to build a Aluminium Factory and i do my 5-6 Hard drives side by and got i think the Best. I got Alt: Pure Aluminium Ingot. 2 Alu Scraps = 1 Alu Ingot

[reef basin]

Or make new factory and keep old 🙂

[brazen coral]

I mean I only needed it wire to go faster at the moment because it's getting everything else bottlenecked at the moment

[reef basin]

Well that reduces bauxite to alu ratio

[agile mountain]

Woooo phase one done

[reef basin]

You get less alu per bauxite

[lilac bear]

Double check your connections and whether everything runs at 100%. But it's probably a belt, that 780/min is no accident.

[reef basin]

(Also, there's no "best", all recipes are good for something)

[brazen coral]

I might have to undo the blueprint and redo it with the Mark 6 belts

The lifts connecting to the end portions aren't part of the blueprint though, so that's not the problem

[green fiber]

if theres any splitters it may be between them or even wedged inside a splitter

[lilac bear]

Not sure what Fine Concrete is good for, but most recipes have their uses however limited it may be.

[severe pewter]

How do the consoles handle this btw? I started out at 150fps @ 4k, and now I'm running about 60fps @ 1440p, with certain areas dropping it to about 30; the worst being the areas where I went nuts with colored lighting, and that dips to about 24fps

[brazen coral]

I mean currently my console handles it fine and my factory looks freaking massive

[green fiber]

actual inagme lights are the worst for performance

[lilac bear]

Check them anyway, it's easy to accidentally get a wrong one in between.

[brazen coral]

Yeah I checked all of the connections and they're all Mark 6 but the only one that would actually affect the throughput would be the last belt connecting to the lift

I'll go over it again. And and still redo it with the mark 6

[lilac bear]

Last time I had an issue like that, there was a very small piece of old belt that didn't get upgraded because it was its own piece. If you think you did the whole thing in one go and the last bit is hidden out of sight, it's easy to miss.

[brazen coral]

I made sure to upgrade the auto connections as well so I'm just going to have to dismantle it and do it again

[severe pewter]

Is there a way to automate the presents?

[lilac bear]

Yes, the trees spawn them.

[severe pewter]

The trees???

[lilac bear]

In your construction menu, look at the ficsmas tab.

[severe pewter]

I haven't chopped any trees in a while

I'm just sick of hunting for these silly things

[lilac bear]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/FICSMAS/Buildings#FICSMAS_Gift_Tree

[severe pewter]

And night time is the only time when they're properly visible

[lilac bear]

That's why you build the FICSMAS Gift Trees.

[reef basin]

Fine concrete is for making extra concrete with quartz

[severe pewter]

Wasn't aware of that bit, hold on

[lilac bear]

I know, which is a waste of perfectly good quartz considering limestone is all over the place.

[reef basin]

Well if you're assuming empty map, it may not be useful for you. But people don't play on empty maps 🙂

[sweet jacinth]

You eventually unlock a tree that gives you presents. At that point you can automate every aspect of the event.

[sweet jacinth]

I haven't noticed anything. Friends claim they lag when they get into the more complex areas.

[severe pewter]

I tend to build stuff super dense too

[lilac bear]

#screenshots message

[sweet jacinth]

Lol. Hop on twitch. I'll show my terrible looking factory that got me to the end game

Justan0therfng is my username. I'm going live right now.

[lilac bear]

#screenshots message

[lilac bear]

#screenshots message

If you do not have that tree, check your FICSMAS research in the MAM.

Some people placed a lot more trees than I did 😛 #screenshots message

[severe pewter]

I've got the regular n' giant, but I'd just assumed they were for decoration

[lilac bear]

Do you have the FICSMAS Gift Tree in your builder?

[severe pewter]

Aye. Is it only the regular sized tree that spawns presents?

[lilac bear]

Only the one that explicitly says Gift Tree, yes.

[limpid orchid]

Am i the Only one that thinks that Trains how they move and Operate is kinda hot?

[severe pewter]

Oh shoot it does say that

[lilac bear]

Now have fun automating from start to finish.

[severe pewter]

Meh. It's semi-auto

[lilac bear]

At least you can stop hunting now.

[severe pewter]

...I see the conveyor hole now

[lilac bear]

There ya go.

[severe pewter]

Thank you very much~

[arctic fable]

Genuine question; are u gonna Build the foundations „on“ the ground or better with some height above the ground? It seems that on ground is mostly inaccurate but i hate the „lost“ Space between Ground and beginning of foundations 🤷🏻‍♂️😅 hope its understandable

[leaden turret]

build in sky on stilts, problem solved

[dense violet]

most places are flat enough that a layer of 4m foudnations will do you

[ivory condor]

True, but you can always fill in those spaces or make them not visible, tons of ways you can address that problem

Also if your building in areas like the dune desert, you basically have to accept that you really need to build above the ground, because of how uneven the terrain is, makes trying to build at ground level any decent size floors a utter nightmare

[solemn edge]

I finally finished Phase 2 ❤️

[deep pine]

Waves

[molten cove]

#screenshots message

current setup going into phase 2

ima handle smart plating by hijacking half of my rotor and rp factiories output

which i already know is not going to be that effective

but i dont want to build a full factory for that

yet

[frozen oak]

yk what if they added a cargo / freight elevator, where it was maybe like a 2x2 open platform that worked similarly to the normal elevator

that would be so cool especially for the factory im working on

[unborn vessel]

@cerulean dawn thats a screen saver ss ngl

[cerulean dawn]

the coal plant? cheers

[golden finch]

Mate seeing that coal plant and than looking at my shit run. Phase 4 and I have only coal 🤣 4.8MW aka way to low for where I’m at

[molten cove]

first time i ran into problem of lack of space

[golden finch]

Build up

Never run out of space that way

[molten cove]

btw

[dusk dagger]

hi i am new here someone wanna play

[molten cove]

if my miner is running at 63%

[dense violet]

!lfg

[raven axle]

Hello there totally awesome user! You can checkout https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758 and check the pins on how to find folks to play with. <3

[dense violet]

but also you'll learn better on your own if you care about that

[molten cove]

and i overclock to 126 can i will it turn into 50%?

im trying to figure out if i can put more factories on the same node

[golden finch]

Overclock will give u more output from the same node. It’s just ur belts that u gotta look at

[true sonnet]

I really should play this much

Darn my ADHD brain for getting hooked to this game that strikes the perfect balance of reward & chore

[dusk dagger]

i mean i have some hours in the game but i need someone who can help

[golden finch]

Tbh id be down im pretty new but just got my ass to phase 4 so should be decent at the game

[dusk dagger]

okay you can dm me

[molten cove]

i was planning on putting a splitter

at the start

[golden finch]

Yea Still tho u will have to run a belt from the miner to the splitter

[molten cove]

#screenshots message

this is the current setup it makes the miner work at 63

im planning on overclocking it to 126

and build a second one like that

once i figure out how to stack things on top of each other

[true sonnet]

For a bit of context, it’s current 0605 AM here

[steep dove]

i has a question

actually one sec

[tranquil zinc]

before I submit this for feedback, just wanted to ask it here just it case there is this feature. Is it possible for the game to automatically change input settings? Like if I use mouse and keyboard it will use those hotkeys but when I switch/press my controller it will use those again?

right now, I have to manually change this in settings cause one input is entirely disabled while using the other one

most games that I played that support this, where I can both use controller and keyboard at the same time

[rugged shard]

How to remove that plant that if you get too close it stands up and release gas

[golden nexus]

noblisk

[rugged shard]

Mann

[marsh shard]

is there any alt recipes for fluid tank which does not require bauxite?

[molten cove]

finished first phase

i dont think my 2 smart plating a minute will be enough 😔

[marsh shard]

use a sommerslup for phase items until you can finish phase

[green fiber]

there isnt

[marsh shard]

k

[glossy belfry]

Is about 1.2 GW and cast screws enough to complete phase 4 on automation? (150 MW is the loss to keep the coal station in operation)

[lusty island]

Depends on how fast you are producing your materials. 1.2GW is not a lot though.

[green fiber]

varies per player

big builders need a lot of power

1.2 GW is kinda on the small builder side

[golden nexus]

Yeah its on the small side of things

[dense violet]

complete phase 4? it would be very tough

[teal geyser]

Not even enough for the max range of a Particle Accelerator (1.5GW) Edit: I was wrong. Minimum is 500MW, with the average being 1000MW

[dense violet]

I usually make do with 7gw to get to phase 4

[golden nexus]

it doesn't take very long to drop in a set of fuel gens

[lusty island]

For perspective, a single pure oil node, using the nitro rocket fuel recipe (and a few other alts), can produce 96GW.

[teal geyser]

Dude must really hate building power plants

[glossy belfry]

Not really, I just built one but if I want to build another one, then it will take some time to relocate and set things up

[teal geyser]

Relocate?

[dense violet]

just burn the coal where it is. You can make multiple power plants

[teal geyser]

Thats what power lines are for

[glossy belfry]

To another lake

[teal geyser]

What do you mean?

[glossy belfry]

I am capped at 6 water pumps on my current water site

[lusty island]

Just run some power lines to another water source and build another power plant there.

[rustic vigil]

are the saves in the cloud on steam?

[lusty island]

yes, i believe so.

but also saved in %localappdata%

[golden nexus]

overclocking them?

[teal geyser]

You belt/truck/train/drone/factory cart/walk/run/slide jump/jetpack/hoverpack your coal over to a big water source, you build foundations, build cola generators, build water extrtactors, pipe said water extractors into coal generators, hook up your coal supply, boost your powerplant with Biomass burners/existing power from your grid, and there you go

[lusty island]

It may be defined by your settings. If Steam Cloud sync is enabled, it should be saved to the cloud, but it's always saved in %localappdata%

In terms of power, i wouldn't spend too much time on coal power, as fuel power is far better and you'll be there soon. I tyipcally stop building coal after about 16-24 coal generators (no overclocking).

[bold heron]

so on controller, i can lock the command to pick up stuff like leaves.
is there a way to do this on keyboard as well ?

[feral jay]

Just hold E?

[native eagle]

where is the best place to start my first factory?

[tall lantern]

near the resources you need for that factory

[feral jay]

The dune desert (the last option) can be tough, there's not a lot of biofuel to be found, and the northern forest (third option to the right) can be tough because there's a lot of places for fauna to hide and attack you from

Other than that I've not found it to make much difference

[tall lantern]

oh if you mean which starting biome, yeah they're all fine, the game itself recommends Grassy Fields for newer players and it's a reasonable first pick

doesn't really matter for too long, since you'll be expanding outwards by Tier 3

[tall oyster]

How far outwards for tier 3 cause that’s what I’m at rn

[reef basin]

Decide what you want to build, figure out how much raw resources it needs, build it near those resources. Repeat for every other factory

[humble nebula]

I am so addicted to this game I cant stop playing it

[tall oyster]

I’ve got oil power + coal atm so power isn’t so much of a problem atm but as I started in the grassy field ofc the oil is miles away so idk whether to also expand into the forest to the next of grassy fields

[tall oyster]

Me too 😭

[reef basin]

Or just build near oil

[tall oyster]

Bunch of my stuff is located in grassy fields like space elevator and hub plus rotor and quick wire factories

[bold heron]

thats the point i dont want to hold E i wanna run around and still collect whitout holding E

[humble nebula]

Every time I try to js stop playing for a few hours at least i find myself back at 2am never having closed the game

[feral jay]

ohhh, I don't think so then, that annoys me too

[tall oyster]

Only thing making me keep track of time is that warning they put on screen telling me I’ve been on for 2hrs

[reef basin]

Well you're kinda supposed to build factories all over the map, so that's not an issue

[bold heron]

because on controller u can lock that command so i thought maybe there is a way for keyboard as well

[tall oyster]

Right ok, so I just have to suffer the 3min hypertube ride 😬? Or are trains quicker

[humble nebula]

My brain started to not even notice it, ive been sitting here for what? 16 hrs according to discord

[tall oyster]

Jesus 😭 most I’ve pulled off is 4

[reef basin]

You don't really have to travel there once it's built

[tall oyster]

Usually I’m crap at maths too but satisfactory is acc helping my mental maths

[tall oyster]

Wb for rubber and plastic? Dimensional deps are unlocked but not viable yet

I’m building my heavy modular frame factory there too much better resources

[reef basin]

Why are they not viable?

[tall oyster]

Slow upload speed, not enough mercer spheres to upgrade that speed, and procrastinating finding more spheres

[humble nebula]

yup it really is its also fun maths??? i usually dont like maths but satis maths are just so fun contract mandeted fun fun fun fun

[reef basin]

Better go find more 🙂 for example on your way to the oil 😉

[tall oyster]

It’s simple maths which stupidly find harder lmao

[queen slate]

For a fuel powered fact should I just sink the resin

[reef basin]

Or use it

[rugged shard]

Can somebody look at #screenshots and tell me what part is this?

[queen slate]

What is it even used for lol

[feral jay]

rubber

[tall oyster]

Procrastination 🤪 ik tho I need to do that but rn I’m just building the heavy modular frame bit which is taking forever

[sage scroll]

I think its rubber, if you hower over it with mouse I think it should say

[rugged shard]

Oh okay

[rugged shard]

Im on ps5

[reef basin]

Open codex to find out 😉

[queen slate]

There’s a codex…

[feral jay]

Press O

[queen slate]

Omg man

[reef basin]

Yeah, and openning it is like step #2 of the imgame tutorial

[queen slate]

I think I skipped the tutorial

[tall oyster]

Codex has saved me a lot of times

I don’t think you can

[reef basin]

Bad choice for first playthrough 😛

[queen slate]

That sign can’t stop me because I can’t read ah moment

[tall oyster]

Every first player realising that foundations are actually useful and not for decoration after building a factory on the ground

[feral jay]

Foundations are cheating

Live on the edge

[tall oyster]

The edge of the map??

[feral jay]

No, the edge of your foundations

[tall oyster]

Foundations saved my life

That’s what I’m doing cause why does 3 constrictor blueprint have to be so big

[reef basin]

And then you reach the mature stage of "not everything needs to be on foundations"

[humble nebula]

everything has to be on foundations. make it look good, yes ficsit says to js be efficent but cant we have a little swwag while being efficent? (also foundations make it easier to be efficent)

[tall lantern]

It applies to all rules/best practices/guidelines/etc
Stage 1: Don't know about a best practice at all
Stage 2: Learn about it, and use it constantly because I Must Do It
Stage 3: Realise that while it's a good default, there are instances where it makes sense not to

[lilac bear]

Without foundations it would be pretty impossible to keep my factories aligned.

I put them everywhere.

[humble nebula]

EXACTLY and i want it to look good

ad it helps my mental well being if all is organized

[scenic mirage]

usually? 😭 how many times have you done phase 4

[teal geyser]

What does this mean?

[scenic mirage]

trains straight on the ground maybe

[lilac bear]

I mean, my beltwork between factories isn't on foundations either.

Not all powerpoles are on foundations.

Water extractors.

But except for that... There's a lot on foundations.

[teal geyser]

Oh, right. I was more thinking he meant like buildings in the late game for some reason

[silent heron]

So from my understanding even number balancers are hell spawn that should be avoided?

[tall lantern]

actual factories I'd always build on foundations beyond the super early game

[tall lantern]

depends how much effort they take

as with every building style, there's tradeoffs between each option

[silent heron]

I wanted to make a 8 to 6 balancer

[tall lantern]

if you just need to split into something nicely splittable (3s, 2s, small multiples thereof) then personally I'd do the even split

yeah that's easy enough, just merge 4 machines then split into 3

[silent heron]

Its for a train station

[silent heron]

Basically, I want 8 belts going into 6 belts all at MK4 so 480/min

For each output belts

[tall lantern]

balancer as in, the input belts have different rates?

actual balancers are awkward

[silent heron]

As trains do yes

[tall lantern]

trains don't necessarily

[queen slate]

Is blueprint m2 a lot better?

[tall lantern]

(and you never said they were coming from the trains 😛 )

[tall lantern]

5x5x5 rather than 4x4x4, so about twice the volume

[silent heron]

The idea was to use the extra 2 freight cars (8 in total) to pick up slack in delivery throughput since i'm transporting caterium and the train is going to be traveling quite far

Making multiple stops

[tall lantern]

have you actually measured the throughput?

(or just considered 2 trains)

[silent heron]

I haven't done anything with the throughput as I don't have the network established, although I figured I'd need a balancer for 8 into 6... in which I found to be incredibly ass

As I found nothing useful online

[lilac bear]

2x 4x3?

[tall lantern]

with something like that I just wouldn't mix the lines up. If one station wants one portion of the caterium and another station (or group of) wants another, then you'd just dedicate one train or carriage to the first station, and another to the rest

it's generally much easier not to have to faff with actual load balancers if you can just make sure each line gets the amount it wants to start with

[silent heron]

So, 2x 6 freight cars

That would vastly simplify things

[tall lantern]

yeah for trains the easiest way to scale long-distance stuff is to add more trains

[silent heron]

This would work to, although then I'd have to use a 6x6 balancer XD

[tall lantern]

why, just put the exact amount each of those output stations needs into their corresponding carriage

if you need a 450/min, a 370/min, a 643.324/min etc, then set up your production to make those numbers for each carriage

[silent heron]

I like the idea of more trains, imma go with more trains

[tall lantern]

they're not mutually exclusive

more trains is for solving throughput

[silent heron]

I'm wanting to produce 6 belts of 480 caterium

[tall lantern]

then why do you need any balancing at all

make 6 lots of 480/min caterium, feed each into one carriage, pull it out at the other end

[silent heron]

Damn I was overthinking this

[tall lantern]

lol

then if you find the train can't keep up due to the route length, you can add another train doing the same route

[silent heron]

Yeah, I was actually wondering how you would keep trains running the same line from tailing each other along the route, because im sure over time they'd eventually start doing that, I think?

Or does that matter at all?

[tall lantern]

depends on the track setup, but that's not necessarily an issue

if the source station's backing up with resources, then the second train'll just be able to bring all that extra stuff

as long as it's got the capacity to manage that 480/min/platform, it'll average out however it plays out

[silent heron]

I see I see

[tall lantern]

if it's on a dedicated track loop you can use block signals to divide the track up in a way that keeps them separated most of the time, but yeah, not required at all

[rustic hare]

also if you want max capacity per train, set them to only depart when fulled loaded/emptied

[tall lantern]

(and one of the strengths of trains is not needing a dedicated line for each train, so they share infrastructure)

[lusty island]

you should always build your trains with "one-way" tracks, so basically 2 tracks, one going each way, and then use block signals fairly frequently, and then the trains self-manage themselves.

[tall lantern]

yeah, just build like roads

one lane each way, or a single one-way lane if you don't need trains going both ways

bidirectional segments are a pain

[rustic hare]

btw I haven't seen anyone mention, have a buffer before/after the freight station, have the buffer connect to the station via 2 belts, and only access one port of the buffer, then you can easily keep a steady 1 belt speed throughput, effectively ignoring loading and unloading animations' dead zone

[tall lantern]

yeah I just assumed that was in place as that's basically a requirement of any platform

buffer on the input, buffer on the output

[rustic hare]

when I was a newbie, I totally missed that fact and tried pulling 2 belts speed per freight station, throughput instantly tanked as more trains gets added to that station 😂

[tranquil zinc]

is snapping to world grid broken for controllers? Tried snapping foundation on different parts of land but one is diagonal and one is straight

[reef basin]

that people sometimes put tons of things on foundations unnecessary

[reef basin]

foundations do nothing to efficiency

also I'd rather die than to put my miners on foundations

[white dawn]

I think if someone had a gun to my head I'd be willing to slap some foundations around a miner. :D

[humble nebula]

they help me to build more efficently and more organised sparing me some tim and emake it so that i do not get a headache

[reef basin]

building efficiently is just "match machine rates"

[gloomy spruce]

quick question whats the best way to use to tractors to automate

[scenic mirage]

step 1. delete all of them and replace them with trucks

[real shale]

Okay, I have slept, time to place down 150 more fuel generators

[gloomy spruce]

I don’t have trucks yet

I just unlocked tractors

[queen slate]

How much regular fuel does a fuel powered generator use a minute?

[scenic mirage]

what phase are you

[scenic mirage]

open the fuel generator and look at what it says?

[queen slate]

It says no fuel

[real shale]

20m3/min

[queen slate]

Ty

[real shale]

50 when overclocked to 250%

[queen slate]

Should I be overclocking them?

[rustic vigil]

is there some kind of a list of good recipes to look out for from hard drives?

[tall lantern]

0.2 if underclocked to 1%

[queen slate]

lol

[gloomy spruce]

Phase 1 working on phase 2 on the space elevator

[real shale]

depends, if you are like me and placing 300 of them, it might be a good idea to overclock them

[queen slate]

When it says 2m3 of fuel 60 per minute does that mean 120 or 60

[tall lantern]

alts are generally situational so there's no universal list. That said, the ones I like are

• Solid Steel Ingot - 50% more output for a lil more power and space
• Cast Screw for the early game, since it skips Rods
• Later on, there whole shebang of oil processing ones - Heavy Oil Residue, Diluted [Packaged] Fuel, Recycled Rubber, Recycled Plastic. These let you get hella fuel/rubber/plastic, but are a lot more complicated and space/power hungry

but it mostly just comes down to "will this help with the next thing(s) I want to build? Yes? Cool, take that one"

or just get more drives and unlock everything

[tall lantern]

60 per minute means 60 per minute

[queen slate]

Ok mb

I thought it meant 60 x 2m3

[tall lantern]

the other number would be how much it makes/uses per crafting cycle

[queen slate]

K thx

What’s the bind to paste settings?

[remote marsh]

can someone hep me rq i have a small question

[tall lantern]

same way screws say they're 1 rod into 4 screw, but 10/min into 40/min

[tall lantern]

same as most copypaste, ctrl-v

[queen slate]

K ty

[tall lantern]

how would we know unless you actually ask the question?

[remote marsh]

look in questions and help

[clear tartan]

is it too late to unlock the event tree in the mam

[white dawn]

Nah, the even runs through January 17. Plenty of time left. :)

In some ways it's better to wait until after Dec 24, 'cause you can unlock everything all in one go instead of having to wait for calendar unlocks

[clear tartan]

is there any actual benefit of the event

[white dawn]

Not really; everything's basically cosmetic. You do get some fun, festive decoration items (which are only placeable during the event)

Three sorts of fireworks, an alternate "snowball" ammo for your Nobelisk Detonator, a candy cane basher (functionally identical to the Xeno Basher)

[magic nest]

decorate all your powerlines with ornaments and take your gpu down with ya :)

[white dawn]

Various customizations, in addition to the buildables

Yeah, the twinkly powerlines are A+. But, again, merely cosmetic

[magic nest]

i’m currently working on the last phase of project assembly and i gotta say ficsit thinks im smarter than what i actually am

[white dawn]

Prior to 1.0, the snowballs were functionally identical to regular Nobelisks but had a much higher stack size, so stockpiling those was technically an advantage

[magic nest]

because holy mother of god do i need a some type of checklist i get side tracked so easily and lose all my numbers that i had in my head so the whole operations goes down with it

[white dawn]

But they're a bit weaker than Nobelisks nowadays, and the stack sizes have been normalized.

[magic nest]

it’s not fun trying to craft 300 reinforced iron plates per minute

actually question

is there a way to do all of that from a single pure iron node

i’m guessing so yes? with the pure iron ore alt

[white dawn]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production <- can play around with numbers and recipes here. :)

[golden nexus]

yes

[magic nest]

ahhhhh forgot about that nifty little website

thank you my good sir

[golden nexus]

Abuse blueprints... make scalable designs #1455008912666263684 message

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

why does my factory keep going idle

[magic nest]

oh my god that is a lot of constructors

my god my factory will look like a maze with all this

[scenic mirage]

theres not a single constructor in that picture?

[magic nest]

no i’m talking about what i need for my factory

[real shale]

thats a lot of blenders

As for why its going idle, idk, not a lot to go off of here

[magic nest]

maybe i don’t need 300 reinforced iron plates per minute

maybe i lied to myself let me re check the numbers here

[scenic mirage]

all the pipes are completely full, refineries are full of water, manifolds are full. it only happens when i get close to it

[grizzled lotus]

check each machine. one of them is not receiving enough input to produce constantly, or the output +belt are full so they can't produce more

this can be a common problem with liquids, by the way, they need somewhere to go

[sick falcon]

how far south over the void can you go from crater lake?

[magic nest]

i lied

i need 345 per minute

[real shale]

how could you lie

[magic nest]

i’m gonna cry myself to sleep now

in my infinite slurry of constructors

[scenic mirage]

@grizzled lotus

[grizzled lotus]

if the pipes are full along with the output and input connected to it then they'll go idle.

if they look like they're working but only stop when yo uget closer then that's odd. maybe it only looks like it's doing something when it's not?

[scenic mirage]

the output isnt full tho

the input manifolds are full

[grizzled lotus]

huh, odd. could be a bug, of course

[white dawn]

Here's a plan with zero constructors: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=s8Oy2P1NSVMtmBe6JrBu

[grizzled lotus]

#screenshots message

[magic nest]

i hope you know i love you

because i was this close🤏 to start building 160 constructors

[clear tartan]

what can a nuke do

[white dawn]

I mean, in fairness, grids of Constructors are quite easy to blueprint en masse

[white dawn]

💥

[clear tartan]

i mean apart from that

[white dawn]

(more usefully: in addition to a large blast radius, it leaves some radiation in the area which lingers for a bit, doing DOT to anything in the area. It goes away after a bit)

[magic nest]

indeed it was mostly me complaining about the fact that i would need to set every single one of those constructors to something different

[clear tartan]

mmm ok

[white dawn]

Why would each one need to be set to something different?

[teal geyser]

What else would a nuke do though?

[white dawn]

Can set recipes and clock speeds and such right inside blueprints, fwiw

[magic nest]

i mean like choosing a recipe for each one is all

[magic nest]

oh

[clear tartan]

i just wanted to know if it did radiation or not

[magic nest]

my

[clear tartan]

it is a bit of a stupid question yough

[magic nest]

god

[clear tartan]

though

[magic nest]

YOU CAN DO THAT???????

[teal geyser]

Have you ever heard of an non-radioactive nuke before though?

[magic nest]

so many of my hours wasted

[scenic mirage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1peb81k/well_today_i_learned_something_about_the/
yeah its a bug

[clear tartan]

no

[white dawn]

Yeah, every single machine setting can be set inside a blueprint (recipes, clocking, shards, sloops, standby switch, customizations). Can even pre-fill input/output buffers if you like

[magic nest]

🙂

i’m taking a break i feel like i need a cig

[teal geyser]

Or, when you are copying and pasting buildings with clock speeds and recipes, each new one placed will keep those same settings

[scenic mirage]

dont smoke cigs ❌ theyre bad for you

[magic nest]

i have no joke spent hours putting recipes in for large scale blueprints

[magic nest]

🙂

[white dawn]

Heh, well at least you've got your epiphany moment now! :D Better late than never

[magic nest]

yeah no f that break i’m logging off

[teal geyser]

Yea, drink FICSCIT approved coffee instead

[magic nest]

i feel so defeated

[white dawn]

You're far from the first person to discover that sort of functionality after a long time spent not knowing about it. :)

[magic nest]

i have spent 450 hours in this game

not knowing this

[teal geyser]

💀

[magic nest]

i mean it makes sense because from what i can tell this game cares about its players and puts a lot of quality of life into the game

but my god

450 hours

atleast 5 of those have been spent in vein

thank you all for your brain knowledge

i’m going to sleep

[grizzled lotus]

more firepower is always cool, but I feel a lot of those are just overkill. I haven't unlocked everything but I feel I can kill most stuff with normal rifle ammo and explosive rebars

[clear tartan]

how come my power grid switches off sometimes?

[grizzled lotus]

not producing enough power

[sick falcon]

do oil generators give more power if you stick a stronger fuel in them or do they just burn the fuel slower

[clear tartan]

doesnt make sanse because im running 5 coal power plants

[grizzled lotus]

ok but how much are you consuming?

[grizzled lotus]

burn fuel longer I believe. for more power generation put powershards in

[sick falcon]

so ill need like a thousand oil generators for my 9 thousand ionized fuel a minute?

pain

[modest creek]

Hey guys I'm sorry its so long. I have a question about independency, I might just didn't understand it right but for example; what's the point of making an independent factory for a phase 3 elevator if I'm not gonna need that part after the phase is complete? I'm sure I'm gonna need to to make a more complex part but this part gonna have is own independent factory so what's the point of the previous one. also, what's the point of making an independent factories for every non elevator part? I'm only gonna need a little bit per min for my own use in my inventory. It feels like the only real permanent independent factories needed are the for the last game parts.

[golden nexus]

But you do

[grizzled lotus]

haven't reached that far, but I think the next step is nuclear power

[grizzled lotus]

don't know how far you are but you'll end up needing more than what you have in your inventory, so you need storages with stuff you need. for elevator parts, you'll end up needing a lot for more complex parts

[golden nexus]

You can for example see smart plate -> Modular Engine -> Thermal Propulsion rocket -> Ballistic warp drives

[plush mantle]

Has anyone else experience the problem with placing trains while using cartograph mod? without the train, the builds refresh and show on the map but when i build a train the building outlines on the map does'nt refresh, and if i deactivate a item on the cartograph and reactivate it, it doesnt show back on the map until i deconstruct the train and cargp.

its annoying because i look cartograph

[modest creek]

isn't the all point of independency to NOT transport parts from 1 factory to another? so if I'm making a factory for Modular Engine I'm gonna produce the smart plates in the same factory as well, so what's the point of a smart plate factory?

[golden nexus]

What your saying is to favour a mega factory over distirbuted factories. You can play that way if you like but it massivly suboptimal

[clear tartan]

are there only 2 ways of splitting rescourses between machines

[modest creek]

no no I'm just trying to figure it out. tryin to understand to which limit should i take this "Independency"

[golden nexus]

Optimal for logesitcs tends to be reduce and ship the item. Simpy because its cheaper to ship 50/min smart plate compared to the 1200/min iron that went into it

[modest creek]

from what i understand the Independency part is for relatively easy parts, so for example i wouldn't do an independent factory for computers or iron rods but i should make an independent factory for elevator parts?

[white dawn]

If you go full Independency, you'd have a separate, independent factory for everything

[grizzled lotus]

well, not to that degree. if a part becomes useless then you should definitely transport it to become part of something you need.

the initial idea of independant factories is to avoid making multiple parts from a single node, which can cause problems with lack of feed/input. instead, feel free to make only one part and then expand to find other nodes

[white dawn]

(Where a "factory" might include some geographically-distant sub-factories sending some material around, of course)

How much you want to build like that is, of course, up to you!

[golden nexus]

No, But it depends on the size/approach to the overall method of playing the game, It almost always benfifits you to reduce and ship the componets. Where these boundries lie depends on what your doing, its not a simple answer, it also works for some parts and not for others

[grizzled lotus]

but independancy isn't a rule to live by if it doesn't serve a useful purpose

[golden nexus]

Its variable on how you play the game

[white dawn]

(And of course the building-strategy spectrum is a lot broader than "centralization" versus "Independency." :)

[golden nexus]

For example it makes sense to ship high value, low volumn items, it does not make sense to ship low value, high volumn items

You don't ever for example attempt to ship screws

[white dawn]

But yeah, indeed, it's something you can commit to as much or as little as you feel like. And if you give it a try and don't like it, you're not shackled to your past decisions, etc.

[leaden turret]

looks at temu

[queen slate]

#screenshots message finished my first fuel powered factory ty for your help apocalyptech 😄

[white dawn]

IMO Independency does solve a lot of problems that newer players often face (generally when they inadvertently go hardcore into centralization without realizing there's other ways to do it), but it's just one way to play. And I don't even follow it religiously myself, even though I constantly bring it up. :D

[golden nexus]

But an overall start -> end is more complex.. Things like building stuff in one place means you don't have to move around very much. So doing things in a building works with one item per floor, but what you gotta do sooner or later is outsource the floor

[clear tartan]

#screenshots message ignore the spagetti piping but what can i do about the coal

[queen slate]

#screenshots message use foundations

[clear tartan]

what about making the coal evenly

go out

[golden nexus]

Also depending on where you are in the world, you may have other issues, like if you want 200/min crystal osscilators. Your generally going to have to do it in multiple biome's. Cause of the limit on quartz. You may also need to share some from one factory to multiple destinations

[modest creek]

THANKS GUYS. I'm not and open minded dude or a really creative one. I'm more of a number and fixed formulas and methods guy so just being creative around is pain in the ass for me lol, that's why i tried to understand the "best" / "optimal" method to build towards end game. gonna use your tips! thanks again

[queen slate]

i use manifolds so i prob wont be much help with that

[tame bobcat]

random question how do yall prevent burnout on this game? i feel like im gonna overwhelm myself at some points lol

[queen slate]

you dont lol

[clear tartan]

i do manifolds for my factorys

[silent heron]

Both ways are equally viable

[queen slate]

act

[queen slate]

drink coffee

[golden nexus]

viable and suboptimal are not the same word

[white dawn]

Heh, burnout can happen. Remember that it's okay to take breaks! I generally go for many months (and sometimes years!) between playthroughs. :)

[silent heron]

A mega factory is not suboptimal when trains exist

[queen slate]

use merger manifolds then

[golden nexus]

Yes it is, Which is more efficent, shipping smart plate at 50/min or shipping 1200/min iron ore?

[white dawn]

Apropos of a very recent topic-of-conversation, IMO following Independency as a build strategy can help a lot re: burnout because your projects are generally very tightly-focused. Like you've just got this one factory to build, rather than trying to manage a big centralized web of production, etc. And with Independency you're literally never tearing things down or "upgrading" existing factories. Anything you build is a permanent feature and contributes to your production for the rest of the game

[clear tartan]

how would that make any difference?

[queen slate]

im sorry what are you trying to do again

[silent heron]

1200 iron ore a minute is insanely easy with 1 train

[queen slate]

separate the coal evenly?

[clear tartan]

put coal semi evenly into coal power plants

[golden nexus]

Ok. But which is more efficent? TYhe train that needs to be 8 long or the train thats 1 long?

[queen slate]

i just manifolded mine ill show you in a sec

[silent heron]

You can do that with 3 freight cars or less with mk4 belts

[golden nexus]

You can't even get it out of hte miner with mk4 belts, So at this point I will just assume your ego has bitten off an arugment it can't posisbly win

[silent heron]

Hte?

[queen slate]

#screenshots message this is what i did bulldog

[clear tartan]

@queen slate does it ever go off?

[queen slate]

nope

[clear tartan]

mm ok

[golden nexus]

Your just being silly? trying to argue shipping 1200/min is somehow ever going to be more efficent than shipping 50/min 🙁

[queen slate]

i love manifolds i wouldnt be able to build anything without them

which ik i shouldnt be doing but

[mortal ginkgo]

the answer is always manifold

[queen slate]

for me 100%

[mortal ginkgo]

for everyone aside from some silly goobers

[ivory condor]

you underestimate how large some people's ego can be

[mortal ginkgo]

as an Impure Limestone Node, you get to be humble from very beginning 🙂‍↕️

[silent heron]

Both options are subjective because time and resources are infinite, with a few pure nodes/overclocked miners you can fill up a freight train extremely quickly and then have that hauled back to the main factory and into a dedicated smelter were you already have everything you need to craft everything the required product needs all in one place.

I just started using trains and I already see the potential in them

[golden nexus]

I gess you just don't understand what the term "sub optimal" is and I will leave hte discussion there

[reef basin]

why can't the independent factory for inventory be independent?

[leaden turret]

squeezy mayo is sub optimal cos you can do the entire sub in one go

[reef basin]

to make smart plates for when you need them (or to sink them)

[silent heron]

My friend, your trying to create a meta inside a game without a active call to create one, if we were under attack or had limited resources you could kinda make a augment here but in the end it quite literally doesn't matter.

Creating multiple satellite factories VS one large factory is just two different play styles, nether option is functionally different besides were you decided to place your machines

[golden nexus]

Your attempting to argue that 1200/min is the same as 50/min when it comes to logistics. Its not and at this point either you are a troll or extremely stupid since one option is viable in a single drone port and the other is not

Likewise one can run in a factory cart where the other needs a truck

[real shale]

I am renaming blue crater in my world to blue fuel, there is no crater now, there is only...fuel

[silent heron]

I was never arguing that?

You asked me which was more efficient, I pointed out trains are extremely easy to set up and transparent bulk logistics, if you want to get technical, your still transporting 1200/min iron ore in both scenarios, that being to a mega factory or a satellite factory, ones just closer.

In your case your pumping 1200 iron ore a minute into a local factory and then transporting that to your main factory, doing this has the exact same steps as if you were building a mega factory and just transported the ore to it

[mortal ginkgo]

In the end you two are wasting precious time arguing about silly goober things while factory remains unexpanded.

This game is a mother of all sandbox games like thing. Just do what you want lol.

[silent heron]

I wouldn't call this an argument, I'm just confused :D

[mortal ginkgo]

Just dont do 29048230482093 fuel gens on a 1m foundation zone in sky please. I am extremely tired of seeing them EVERYWHERE.

[leaden turret]

I'd call it an XKCD-386

[silent heron]

What?

[whole drum]

But it's the most "efficient" 😄

[real shale]

i got something even more beautiful for you

just wait, its almost finished

[mortal ginkgo]

I AM UNDER ATTACK AS WE SPEAK BROTHERMEN

[reef basin]

"efficient" has no meaning unless you give it one

[silent heron]

Efficiently inefficient

[mortal ginkgo]

The only thing that matters about trains is, they are cool. Thats all.

[whole drum]

You're right, though. They should be using 4m foundations in the sky so you can see it better from afar.

[mortal ginkgo]

RRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[silent heron]

Why don't we have 8m foundations

[mortal ginkgo]

thats called 2 4m foundations blueprinted

[whole drum]

Too efficient

[mortal ginkgo]

I actually want 3M foundations for floor holes Q_Q

[real shale]

technically we do just not flat foundations

[tall oyster]

The game could not handle the efficiency

[golden nexus]

Is the larger train capable of shipping 1200/min smart plate? Yes, If its doing that then your competing with 24,000 iron ore instead. Theres something you seriously failing to understand about logistical efficenty here.... like the entire concept to the point where you come across as a troll.

[tall oyster]

Why is it kicking off

[lunar garnet]

Finally got the gold star, even if a few days late. Feel like such a good Pioneer. 😂

[real shale]

theres 8m double ramps... not flat foundations but they are categorised as foundations

[whole drum]

If we could place buildings on sloped surfaces, this would be peak efficiency

[leaden turret]

I mean you can... they have auto-extending legs for a reason

[whole drum]

But they aren't parellel to the surface at that point, so they lose 50% efficiency

I don't think you can just place them on a 45* angle like that either. Pretty sure at least some of the placement space needs to be flat.

[golden nexus]

Somebody thinks transporting 1200/min items is somehow more efficent than transporting 50/min items 🤷‍♂️

[clear tartan]

where are the actual good nodes of iron when you need them

[whole drum]

Dunes

[tall oyster]

Gone

[tall oyster]

Right…

[clear tartan]

i dont want to go all the way over there just to make rotors

[golden nexus]

So either at this point they are just a troll or their ego prevent them from accepting any other answer

[whole drum]

Where is your location?

[silent heron]

Im not sure why you have suddenly decideded you need to produce 1200 smart plates a minute but one can only assume you need that amount for some end game project and thus have access to end game belts.

In which case you would only need two trains with 5 freight cars each to keep up with that demand :D

[clear tartan]

grasslands was my spawn

[whole drum]

Ewww

[clear tartan]

it is my first playthrough so

[whole drum]

Expand north and you'll find the resources you need

There's some to your southeast as well

[clear tartan]

ok

[whole drum]

But Grasslands is in the SW corner of the map, and there's TONS of resources between that and the northern edge of the map.

Especially as you are likely to wander a bit for exploration, so it's not just a "walk in a straight line directly north" sort of deal

Behave like a wave, not a particle

[clear tartan]

ok

[whole drum]

Don't be afraid to mash that scanner either

[real shale]

until you are watched, then behave like a particle

[whole drum]

Yeah, the Satisfactory function collapses

[silent heron]

You are actively ether misunderstanding or ignoring my points, I have not once said which option was more efficient, never did... so???

I'll say again, your logic is skipping a step, you still need to mine the ore and belt it to your factory, unless you are somehow warping all 24k/iron ore to this satellite factory immediately from the local region, to which is actually kinda confusing, as I don't think there's a region capable of producing 24k iron ore a minute unless you have MK3 miners fully over clocked, then again I am a newish player so I wouldn't know but I image transporting all that would still be a logistic challenge at any scale :D

[whole drum]

Side note--and not going to go too deep into this--but modern physicists are beginning to reject that hypothesis of wave function collapse, and in my very humble, very layman, opinion, I think they should because Einstein already gave them an explanation that makes way more sense and doesn't violate relativity.

[whole drum]

So what is it you are trying to say?

[golden nexus]

You still trying to argue 1200 minute is less than 50/min, good job

[rustic hare]

@thick nymph wdym "is it good" 😂 it's one of the best power sources in the entire game
#screenshots message

[silent heron]

I am not sure, I don't get why this guy insists on saying something im not

[thick nymph]

By that i meant how i made it

[silent heron]

For the thrid time, No, I am not.

[thick nymph]

Is it good?

[whole drum]

If you guys can't agree on what you're even debating, perhaps you should call it there

[rustic hare]

oh yeah it looks good, my setup looks nearly identical

[silent heron]

I'm just confused lmfao

[golden nexus]

yes you are

[whole drum]

Explain

[silent heron]

OK

I guess I am

Oh well XD

[leaden turret]

when the vertical monitor is a wall of xkcd-386ing to the point where I ding the mods to ask for an !xkcd386 command, people need a time out

[thick nymph]

I just need to know how many fuel generators can i power with 1 pure oil depository (i dont have lvl 2 pipes yet😭)

[whole drum]

I don't know what that code/term is

[leaden turret]

https://xkcd.com/386/

[silent heron]

IP grabber?

[lilac bear]

xkcd is a well known webcomic

[leaden turret]

lolnope

[whole drum]

Oh okay. I've seen that before, but didn't know it by that name.

[silent heron]

Never heard of it until now

[merry current]

and that is one of the most well known XKCD comics 🙂

[lilac bear]

I have a few of his books

[real shale]

sudo make me a sandwich

[leaden turret]

up goer five

[silent heron]

Oh that

[rustic hare]

ohh, let me check, I'll give you an answer

[slate sable]

can you do cross play between pc and ps? sorry if i’m incredibly stupid or just didn’t read smth

[leaden turret]

not any time soon

[slate sable]

aww

ty

[lilac bear]

Consoles can apparently talk with consoles, but consoles can not talk with PC.

[whole drum]

I just see it as a disagreement from miscommunication at this point. Party A made statement N, Party B interprets it as statement M, and even if they would both agree on either statement, M=/=N, hence the disagreement.

[hard ivy]

Depends. On a lot of things

[merry current]

on a totally unrelated topic, is there any setting or mod that can give a visual indicator of the edge of the map / out of bounds areas? Like a cloudy atmosphere at the edge, or even just a red 1 tile wide border? I'm doing some exploration and keep running into the edge and have to quickly back off or die

[rustic hare]

one refinery with base fuel recipe produces 40m^3/min of fuel, and a fuel gen consumes 20m^3/min, so you can fuel 2 base clock generators for every base clock refineries
(do try to get diluted fuel though)

[leaden turret]

parties A and B made it everyone else's problem because Someone Was Wrong On The Internet

[lilac bear]

You don't need mk 2 pipes to start with.

[untold oak]

hey does someany know the best spot and world for the 2nd start

[lilac bear]

All starter spots are on the same world.

[rich current]

Rando question here... For the holiday event, how rare is the nuclear nobelisk as a sub for the presents?

[leaden turret]

grass fields is a fine starting point until you get tired of having to run for quartz/oil or get tired of having to build manta gates

[whole drum]

It's all one map. You are choosing starting location. Everyone has their own opinions about "best" and "worst," but for me, anywhere that isn't Grasslands is golden (since there's no pure nodes there).

[grim carbon]

if that's the case, how come you never run into any other player?

[silent heron]

I am just pointing out both options have the same amount of steps.

And he is insisting I am arguing (50/min is less efficient than 1200/min) what this exactly means is unknown to me

[brittle tide]

hey so i'm having the strangest issue

[lilac bear]

You're confusing world and server.

[whole drum]

They don't, though. Transporting more units requires more infrastructure/logistics. I think that's where he got the 1200 vs 50 example from.

[brittle tide]

I crashed yesterday, then didnt open the game back up, and then when I later tried to join, the server (I'm joining a friend's session) crashes

[silent heron]

Are you not still transporting ore from your local region to a local factory? Am I missing something? I don't play like this so I wouldn't know

[grim carbon]

do you have to complete the milestones in order to complete the parts for the space platform?

[untold oak]

and like some spots or some tips what should i have near me and how much

[golden nexus]

You would need to read back up, But basically from a logistics stand point its more optimal to reduce to a high value / low volume component then ship that, than it is to ship the initial ore to make the components across the map. @silent heron is attempting to argue these two things are the same, or have equivalent logistical efficiency. So therefore given a basic problem like 1200/min ore make -> 50/min smart plate, Your cheaper in terms of logistics and more viable (you get more logestics options - factory cart, tractors, explorer, truck, train, drone).

ALL options for the 50/min are going to be more practical and efficient in terms of scale, cost, space, round trip time. Hes trying to argue this is not the case.... which is just simply wrong

[brittle tide]

nvm I guess we figured something idk

[nocturne cairn]

you can build a factory on top of the ore patches so you don't have to transport ores

[whole drum]

There's a wild difference between making massive train networks to send stuff across the map vs just belt feeding something from a miner directly into a production chain. Whether that final product goes into a DD or then needs to be transported is a different question, but surely transporting fewer items takes less infrastructure/logistics/power.

[nocturne cairn]

and there are a lot of places with multiple resource nodes close together so you can compress all of them into 1 item and send it elsewhere

[leaden turret]

seriously, can you all just take the conversation to DMs instead of making it everyone else's problem?

[merry current]

Yes, buildings and parts needed are unlocked in the milestones. Not all milestones are required, but most are. You can progress without completing the unrequired milestones though. Like if you don't care about blueprint designers, feel free to skip those.

[untold oak]

and like some spots or some tips what should i have near me and how much

[grim carbon]

ok, thanks

[whole drum]

Or worthless jump pads lol
I only complete that milestone because it's so cheap and just to have it done. Can't think of a practical use I would genuinely have for them.

[grim carbon]

i have blueprints but not using them as yet

[reef basin]

or just build near the ore and don't ship anything

[grim carbon]

i'm working on jetpacks

[silent heron]

It doesn't appear to be difficult or wild to set up trains with high through put, I've actually redone a few belt highways with trains instead because it simplified logistics and increased throughput as I was able to just cram everything into one rail

[untold oak]

and like some spots or some tips what should i have near me and how much

[candid plover]

They market crossplay between ps5 and Xbox but we have been like 10 days without the feature bruh. There’s currently no crossplay available between consoles it’s not working.

[whole drum]

The issue wasn't about belting things long distances tho

[leaden turret]

it entirely depends on what you want to do and how

[untold oak]

and like some spots or some tips what should i have near me and how much

[silent heron]

This sounds useful

Does it snap like a blueprint?

[silent heron]

I didn't mention that? Im just saying transporting stuff in this game is extremely easy

[golden nexus]

Yes, We know this, But that still makes it "sub optimal" something which i think your not understand the difference between "sub optimal" and "viable" means

[spiral willow]

Is there a way to fix sign z-fighting? I cant seem to find anytihg about it, i can find everything else that z-fights BUT signs x.x

[rustic hare]

does the mod named "no z fighting" work for signs?

[spiral willow]

No, I just tried this before coming here

[rustic vigil]

is there some kind of a guide for alt recipes to look out for?

[rustic hare]

collect em all, use on demand

[silent heron]

I don't understand what you mean by sub optimal then, in my opinion I find the idea of building advanced parts in a region then transporting those parts back to a main factory redundant when you can just transport the resources to the main factory and build everything there, eliminating the need to transport the advanced stuff over long distance.

If we didn't have trains I'd totally agree with you though

[rustic vigil]

i havent memorized all of the recipes to know whats better

[whole drum]

You just did in your example. I'll give you one final example and if that doesn't illustrate it clear enough, I don't think anyone can help you to understand.

If I want to build Super Computers, thenwant them to be further processed, and I want to use drones--

• I can ship all the raw materials in via drones, then process them into SCs, then process them into whatever else

• I can build near the resources needed for SCs, then use drones to ship the SCs out to be further processed

Which method requires more drones?

This should be easy to understand.

Drones and Trains do the same thing, btw. It's only a question of how many you use.

[silent heron]

○_○ why would you use drones for bulk transport

[rustic hare]

each recipe have it's strengths, like if you have one resource but not another, you can substitute it, the in-game search should bring up all the obtained recipes if you have trouble memorizing it

[real shale]

#screenshots message There we go, and with that, the crater of fuel is complete

[leaden turret]

<@&387163995947270144> spray bottle for the xkcd-386ing please

[whole drum]

This is what Mistra was trying to get you to see.

[silent heron]

I never mentioned using drones?

[dreamy nova]

What?

[whole drum]

Drone vs Train doesn't matter in the least. That's semantics.

It's the concept that's important.

[silent heron]

A drone VS train in bulk logistics are two wildly different things

[whole drum]

No, but at this point you just want to argue, so I'm done.

[rustic hare]

can we just transport stuffs however we like? even if it's fleets of factory carts?

[whole drum]

You totally can

[silent heron]

I'm not, I am genuinely trying to understand

[whole drum]

Drones and Trains do the same thing, btw. It's only a question of how many you use.

[rich current]

Don't drones have a fuel requirement, where trains only need hooked up to your power grid?

[rustic hare]

game is all about managing logistics, just do it in your own way experience, try, fail and retry, iterate towards the suitable answer

[leaden turret]

#1201555265942724758 is there for people that want to transfer all the things by hand

[silent heron]

It would be inconvenient to use drones as they don't have the same cargo capacity and require fuel, I don't see how you can say they do the same thing when the logistic requirements are completely different

[whole drum]

Power is a resource, fuel is a resource. Fuel produces power. It's not an important difference.

[silent heron]

The drone ports need fuel which means you need to set all that up XD

Trains are just one and done

[whole drum]

The only difference is how many you use

[silent heron]

This logic is baffling

[rustic hare]

and the trains need tracks, you need to set up infrastructure all the same, it's not the main problem of the question as ultimately they transport stuff, just choose one that fit what the current project entails

[white dawn]

Conversely, all you need to fuel drones is a "Fuel Depot" or whatever and you're done. Fuel-fetcher drone supplies local sites. With trains you've got to build out all the infrastructure first. :D

I'm quite fond of both Trains and Drones, and both are well worth investing in! Drones tend to require less effort by an order of magnitude, though, IMO

[merry current]

for very short distances, SneakerNet is much higher bandwidth for transferring goods 🙂

[whole drum]

Right, but that's not even the point. It was just to illustrate the difference between transporting bulk raw materials vs advanced products.

[white dawn]

Though yeah, for higher-throughput transfers you may need quite a few Drone Ports. Trains are always gonna win out on high-throughput transfers

[spiral willow]

Best ive found so far is changing AA Method from TAA to FXAA and then it only z-fights when i move, which is still kinda annoying

[dreamy nova]

https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/

[silent heron]

Ohhh, you can do that? Like have a drone feed other drone pads fuel

[whole drum]

Absolutely. It simplifies the whole process a lot.

[rustic hare]

wait, aa affects z fighting?? That's some discovery, not to say it's illogical, I just want to understand how it works, thanks for letting me know

[white dawn]

Yeah, set up a Fuel Depot (where "fuel" is batteries, Packaged X Fuel, whatever) with an unoccupied port or two. Any drone site needing fuel just has a fuel-fetcher to take fuel from the port.

[silent heron]

Lovely

[white dawn]

After a few trips to fill up all the buffers, the fuel fetcher drone will spend the majority of time docked at the "remote" drone site waiting to offload its cargo, only periodically making another trip to top up again

[merry current]

Randall Munroe is a gift to the world.

[spiral willow]

Yea, I found out through messing with settings that with TAA is constantly flashes but with FXAA it only flashes when i move

[white dawn]

Though you'd also want to make sure to have an ISC buffer or two in front of the Depot's ports, so that those initial few fuel fetches for new sites don't "starve" the port at all

[whole drum]

You also leave these ports empty (no drone) and just have the retrieval drone built at the destination. If you build a delivery drone on the fuel depot, it will clog the system.

[white dawn]

Yeah, hence "unoccupied." :D Good to be clear though. 🥳

[whole drum]

I missed that part tbh

[white dawn]

All good! But yeah, it's really difficult to argue with Drones' near-total lack of required infrastructure. It's generally quite easy to spin up a Fuel Depot site that'll keep you going for quite awhile for drones, and once you've got that you're done

Though I'd also encourage people to keep on building out your rails, even when you're using drones for logistics. Nice to be able to use 'em for passenger rail if nothing else. :D

[spiral willow]

Now I am just trying to figure out how to stop it all together, i dont do much clipping but i just found out abotu sign stacking and trying to figure out how to stop the z-fighting

[white dawn]

(And if you are the sort of person to transfer raw ores, trains are likely to be more convenient for that anyway)

[whole drum]

I love drones ❤️

[whole drum]

I wasn't even saying a person shouldn't do that. It's just that claiming it is the same isn't true.

[rustic hare]

I've almost finished phase 5 and haven't touched a drone port, maybe I'll find a use for it one day

[white dawn]

Oh sure, I'm not even really responding to anything in particular at this point, tbh. Just kind of blabbing. :D

[whole drum]

All good

[silent heron]

I wasn't talking about trains vs drones, I came in and saw mistralol said mega factories were sub optimal

[rich current]

There's many different ways to skin this engineering "cat" so to speak. While trains require a hefty infrastructure buy-in, they're fantastic at transporting high volumes of res. 1 freight car has 32 slot, where Drones only have 9.

[whole drum]

Transporting advanced parts is one of the best uses--or if you have a factory that needs smol quantities of something that isn't convenient to build near there.

[silent heron]

I didn't attach any context to his statement and took it as is

[whole drum]

They require a lot more infrastructure/logistics/power--in that sense, it's fair to describe it that way. However, they can also be awesome to look at and are a completely different challenge to plan, so I wouldn't tell someone they "shouldn't" build them.

[rustic hare]

that's what I thought, I'm an unga bunga who manually craft elevator parts so I don't transport advanced parts, and haven't really needed them in high enough throughput to justify an outpost, so far almost everything have been shoved into a very tall tower

[clear tartan]

when do you unlock clocking on machines

[golden nexus]

I know, Its sub optimal lol... but still viable (something i also said at the start). But even something like smart plate at 50/min its not viable over distance if you ship the ore except by train. You actually have to ship the end item

[teal geyser]

In the MAM

[modest creek]

in satisfactory calculator, what are the "roads" over there?

[silent heron]

Speaking of which, I hadn't seen anything mentioning this but with the advent of the alien power augmenter and geo thermal you can produce crazy amounts of free energy

[whole drum]

Early on in the power slugs tree

[golden nexus]

Tier 1 / MaM

[clear tartan]

what part of the mam

[teal geyser]

Have you grabbed a slug yet?

[white dawn]

The "natural" roads which are present on the map, suitable for vehicle use. Take 'em with a slight grain of salt and be sure to check 'em first before relying on a route; some of them are a little bit suspect

[rich current]

Power Slug Section, far right branch after inital slug grab

[clear tartan]

yes

[whole drum]

Geos don't really give that much in total. Augmentors can give you a lot if you already have a lot, and they scale with you, which is great. I just wouldn't build them too early into a save because the sloop cost is a bit high, relative to that place in the game.

[modest creek]

thanks

[rich current]

I realize it says overclocking, but it also allows under.

[rustic hare]

literally unplayable a more accurate term should be used!

[white dawn]

You can, of course, go "offroad" with vehicles as well, though it often requires quite a bit more care while driving. And some folks like building their own roads out of foundations and stuff, though personally I tend to recommend just sticking to the natural roads. IMO building roads for vehicles removes one of the main benefits of vehicle logistics (ie: mostly not needing infrastructure to support 'em)

[silent heron]

No no, not what I mean, Geo is boosted by the augmenters, with a half built geo network and 7 augmenters my power output is 20k MW

[whole drum]

And it's the augmentors doing the bulk of that

[silent heron]

With ten augmenters a pure geo node could have 1200mw output

Max"

[rich current]

Not my fault that CoffeeStain are as sarcastic as the rest of us? 🤣

[silent heron]

Its actually the geo network, they themselves are providing a little under half

[whole drum]

But also, counting your power when talking about Geo can be extremely misleading due to how it works. I would only count the minimum, personally, since if your power is right on the line and it drops below that, black out time.

[clear tartan]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production with this website does it go with clocking info too

[rustic hare]

want to smooth out geos? battery spam time

[silent heron]

Not if you got batteries, and the 20k I mentioned is "stable" it slowly rises and falls between 21k and 20k

[modest creek]

how do you guys plan train routes?

[silent heron]

Sky rails

[white dawn]

Mostly just on vibes. I let my network grow organically -- first it's just whatever my first A->B route is, then when I need another route I set that up and hook it into the original wherever seems convenient

[golden nexus]

Track round the map, consistant drive on left or right approach

[rich current]

There's also the option of making a loop around the map

[white dawn]

By the end of the game I've got a nice "web" set up all over the map

[silent heron]

Build into space, make your life miserable when trains start falling from the sky

[modest creek]

thanks

[rustic hare]

same as @white dawn just grow on-demand, where a site needs it, I grow it there

[clear tartan]

wait so can you overclock power plants

[whole drum]

Look for tiny, cramped caves to build your train through.

[golden nexus]

what happens with trains, the plan changes and you will almost always end up moving stuff

[rich current]

Everything can be overclocked or under

[rustic hare]

yeah, but most people don't do that I assume

[white dawn]

In terms of aesthestics I tend to go for the "disconnected pillar" route; the pillars make it look "realistic enough" for myself (I don't make 'em too high; try not to to much higher than required to go above trees, etc), while still allowing for a lot of build flexibility without having to manage foundations underneath, etc

[nocturne cairn]

geothermal is very much consistent if you have enough batteries in your system

[rustic hare]

please help me overclock my chrismas trees

[nocturne cairn]

and it's quite easy to spam a few hundred of those with blueprints

[whole drum]

Yeah, that's fine. At that point you probably count their average.

[rich current]

No can do. Ada's already said you're not allowed to question where these gifts come from.

[rustic hare]

you got me 🤣 follow ADA teachings

[whole drum]

You can, but all it does is reduce the number of buildings. You don't get more power relative to the fuel consumed--those stay 1:1

[clear tartan]

ah

[rich current]

You would need 80 of the trees to fill a mk 6 belt

[white dawn]

Yeah, my FICSMAS factories are basically always 100+ trees. (And there are plenty who go much harder than that, even. :D)

[rustic hare]

I got like 2 full belts of gifts cranking away at making the stars, storing up for use throughout the year

[whole drum]

It might make sense to reduce buildings if you're having pipe issues, though--worth keeping in mind. Most people just build extra (separate) pipe systems to deal with that, though.

[teal geyser]

That many stars?

[rustic hare]

wait, can the ficsmas buildings be built after the event assuming I got the materials?

[whole drum]

That also assumes your pipe issues aren't pipe issues.

[teal geyser]

😭 No?

Thats why it is an "event"

[white dawn]

Nope, you can only construct FICSMAS items (or apply FICSMAS customizations) while the event is active

[rustic hare]

wait, wtf am I saving up for then 😂

[rugged shard]

Impure is worst tier right?

[white dawn]

You can use any fireworks or snowballs you've stockpiled (since those are just ammo), and your candy cane basher

[teal geyser]

Correct

[white dawn]

And any decorations you've put down are permanent (unless you dismantle them, of course)

[whole drum]

@mortal ginkgo
You're being attack again, brotherman.

[rustic hare]

time to lay out an army of trucks and apply skins to them

[teal geyser]

Better stock up on snowmen and fireworks I guess

[rugged shard]

Man why is there almost no pure iron spots💔

[rugged shard]

😭

[whole drum]

Because you're in Grasslands

[golden nexus]

cause your in the grass fields

[rich current]

Go to the red dune desert

[rustic hare]

the beginner desert spot at the top west have plenty

[rugged shard]

I am not infact

[white dawn]

Worst as in "slowest extraction rate," anyway. But it honestly doesn't matter. 2x Impures are the same as 1x Normal, and 2x Normal is the same as 1x Pure

[teal geyser]

Certain areas don't have certain ore purities

[white dawn]

Nothing wrong with using Impures; might just need more miners is all

[golden nexus]

just overclock and add them ttogether grass field the impure are always in pairs

[white dawn]

(And I do admit that, in the early game, when you're often short on power, that might not be ideal. But they're fine, really -- don't avoid 'em just 'cause they say "Impure.")

[whole drum]

If you have a pair of impures together, just join them with a merger and you're set.

[golden nexus]

it can benfifit a new player actually having "half a node"

[rugged shard]

My base is 983, 1505. Is desert far

[golden nexus]

yes

[rugged shard]

Damn

[reef basin]

wdym

[rustic hare]

like half the map away 😂

[white dawn]

You're fine where you are for now. You'll expand out as you get access to more and more logistics options

[whole drum]

Where is that coord?

[clear tartan]

because some of the ratios are decimals

[rich current]

Everything is approachable with logistics improvements.

[white dawn]

The map is your oyster! And using up Impures/Normals now just means you have more tasty Pures available for later on when you can really take advantage of 'em

[rich current]

Upgraded Miners also are a huge blessing in disguise for early game.

[silent heron]

Build under the map

[white dawn]

I still say that Grass Fields is actually a really really good starting spot, because of the relative lack of Pures around. You can get through your first few phases there and then have some really delicious areas on the map to go hog-wild on

[rugged shard]

Welp the “normal” iron nodes are also not very close

[rich current]

Underclocking when not needed at full capacity

[golden nexus]

i also agree with this

[whole drum]

Mk2 miners are around the time you get Steel, iirc. Until then, a pair of power shards does the same job.

[rich current]

Yep

[rugged shard]

How do you even unlock mk2 miners

[reef basin]

yeah, then you can clock machines to match the ratios 😉

[silent heron]

The dune dessert looks like a overpowered starting location

[whole drum]

It's my 2nd fav

[white dawn]

The argument does fall apart slightly if you factor in early-game power tightness. A player might appreciate being able to use fewer miners to get the same extraction rate. c'est la vie!

At least you don't spend too long in Phase 1, generally. :)

[whole drum]

N. Forest is my #1

[golden nexus]

it fits if your doing it right, the irony benig the new player "get abrupt feedback" when they are doing it wrong

[clear tartan]

whats a quick way to get to the dunes

[reef basin]

I mean... all the starting locations have iron, copper and limestone in plentiful amounts, and after T3 you expand anyway so after that the starting location doesn't matter much

[whole drum]

Start there 😄

[golden nexus]

cannon

[rustic hare]

I don't like the tall dunes though, rocky desert is more of my fav, go a bit towards the top left of the map, plenty flat with good starting resources

[clear tartan]

but in a vehicle?

[white dawn]

Explorer, then. :)

[golden nexus]

not factory cart

[white dawn]

You'll mostly need to go "around" to get there; the pathways through the "middle" of the map can be complex and twisty

So pick clockwise or counter-clockwise and keep going until you find yourself getting sand in your helmet

[whole drum]

If you didn't start in Dunes, you don't need to travel so far as to actually go there to find what you need. The map is littered with resources.

[silent heron]

I like the place for it having the highest concentration of pure iron nodes

[reef basin]

pure nodes early are impossible to max out, so I'd rather go for the less pure ones 🤷

[golden nexus]

from Gf its probably down tough the cave by hte void tbh

[white dawn]

But yeah, also what GilgaMocha said. There are a ton of resources on the map, all over the place. Dune Desert does have a lot of nice Pure nodes, for sure, but it's hardly unique in that

If you are hungry for more nodes, just go exploring a bit. You'll find 'em

[golden nexus]

grass fields has like 40,000/min iron or something?

[real shale]

I could go for a mocha right now

[rugged shard]

So okay so like, should I move like near dunes for pure nodes?

[silent heron]

There's a werid thing you can do were you can use a conveyor lift and splitters that let's you auto attach a splitter directly to a miner

[whole drum]

Are you counting this with Mk3 miners and full OC, because I don't think that's a good way to look at a "starting" location

[golden nexus]

well its going to move towards that later on

[reef basin]

I wouldn't bring cheats and things like that to discussion like this

[reef basin]

not move

you can expand there, but there's almost never a reason to actually move (aka dismantle and build new)

[silent heron]

It's not a cheat, you can do this easily, just attach a splitter to the end of a lift

[rugged shard]

Is there just iron mostly or is there also different pure nodes?

[reef basin]

it's quite clearly not intended

[golden nexus]

but also you ain't going to get the full potential of a pure node until much later inthe game

[whole drum]

Then you're still gated by the tier of the lift

[silent heron]

Why does it snap into place then?

[real shale]

that moment of pure satisfaction you get after finishing a big project, its almost... no im not gonna say it

[reef basin]

honestly, stop thinking about a single place where you want to be. The game kinda expects you to have multiple factories all over the map 😉

[golden nexus]

time to play, find the missing belt?

[reef basin]

if it was intended, you'd be able to snap splitters to miners directly

[silent heron]

Fair enough

[whole drum]

Starting location really only matters for your early progression--until about Phase 3 or so.

[reef basin]

until T3

[real shale]

oh no everything is working, surprisingly i had very minimal issues and naturally of course all of them were related to pipes

[rugged shard]

Arghhh, like yes I get it but I don’t just don’t know where to build them, for close nodes and everything 😭

[teal geyser]

By progressing the game through the milestones in the Hub

[real shale]

only major hiccup i had was accidentally load balancing one of my HOR pipes instead of running it in a manifold lol, but it all went smoothly

[rugged shard]

Oh okay

[reef basin]

start from the end - decide what you want to make and how much, then calculate backwards to how much ore you need, then find place for the factory near nodes that can supply that factory

[trim sundial]

Its a critical mass of dopamine being released in your brain

[untold oak]

i prob found the best spot for 2nd start with 5iron 2copper and 2limestone

[golden nexus]

if you go to dune desert, you also won't kow where ot build them....

[whole drum]

But I like N. Forest because I can build a lot of that progression close together and not have to do too much logistical work until a little later.

[rustic hare]

this

[placid stirrup]

Northern Forest is indeed a nice start

[rugged shard]

Like if there’s way more pure nodes, I’ll figure it out

[rustic hare]

unless your reward mechanism gets broken then it spirals into mindless construction of projects 😂

[golden nexus]

only benfifit early game is a tiny bit more power

[whole drum]

The process is the reward

[rugged shard]

Also could you tell me cords of dune desert? Wanna check it out

Even tho is far

[white dawn]

Sure, though remember: the node purity really doesn't matter. Merge together two Impure nodes and you've got a Normal node. Merge together two Normal nodes and you've got a Pure node.

[golden nexus]

very north east of the map

[trim sundial]

I try to do this but my miners even when not overclocked always have like 99 units of ore in them, which tells me i just need a bigger factory lol

[rustic hare]

adhd hits different

[white dawn]

IMO just use up what you've got locally and then go exploring