satisfactory

[white dawn]

If you're having trouble with a specific setup, btw, some pictures in a #1038092680493801533 thread might help get things sorted out

[spice spindle]

Like I'm trying to transport sulfur and coal to my turbofuel plant but trying to get them across long distances with multiple trains, routes, etc. is just..not hapening forme

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, as Nerdmojer implied, technically the punchline's a bit off since trains wouldn't actually collide with the walls. But still. :D

[spice spindle]

and I don't understand still how I can use dual tracks

I asked in questions but it just doesn't make sense to me still. but single loop ones aren't efficient

[limpid hazel]

have you driven on a road in real life

[spice spindle]

I've pretty much stopped playing cause of the trains DX

[spice spindle]

yeah countless times.

[limpid hazel]

that's how it works

[spice spindle]

....that's doesn't help

[white dawn]

The main difficulty with dual-rail tracks is getting used to building the intersections. If it's signals that are causing you problems, remember that you can just stick to only Block Signals for the time being. You never actually need Path Signals; if things are overwhelming just stick with Blocks for now

[spice spindle]

I know absolutely nothing about civil engineering

[white dawn]

Block Signals divide up bits of rail into blocks, and the game will only allow one train inside a block at any time

You want an entire intersection to be one big block (so it's all colored the same way when you have Block Signals selected), and then you want block signals every 200-300m or so on the straightaways

[real shale]

And if you do use path signals for intersections, always remember

Path signals into a junction, block signals out of it

[white dawn]

Also put a Block Signal at the beginning and end of a station

[spice spindle]

I get how the signals and such work. I just don't know how to build routes 💀

Like my sulfur is one top of a high cliff

and trying to get it from that top cliff to the third floor of my factory is stumping me

[white dawn]

Can bring the sulfur "down" to ground level using some conveyor lifts first, and have the train start from down there

[placid stirrup]

I also avoid creating intersections as much as possible. I have BPs for trains, that's my most common use for BPs overall

[white dawn]

Getting trains to do large vertical changes can indeed be challenging

[spice spindle]

and I see other peeps on youtube and on here have these sophisticated tracks that are super efficient and I just don't get it

[white dawn]

A lot of folks like doing train spirals. When I do it, I tend to prefer just going up slowly "along" the cliff. But I'm more likely to use some conveyor lifts if I've literally only got the one thing I want from the top of the cliff

[placid stirrup]

To this end, I propose helix/double helix stacks

[spice spindle]

there's nowhere to helix DX

[real shale]

I personally tend to avoid that because it seems very.... Rollercoaster like lmao

[white dawn]

As for the routing, start with simple A->B stuff. Build the first transfer out and get that rail down. Then you take your second transfer that you need, and build that out, optionally connecting it to the first rail if it makes sense to do so

I generally let my rails grow organically; I basically never have a grand plan. I just build out more segments as I need 'em and I end up with a bit of a web

[spice spindle]

but that's the problem. I have no clue how to do A-B with these resources x.x

mainly because of the verticality

[tropic sinew]

I'd say the punchline is then off the rails, so to speak.

[white dawn]

Well, again, you can always just do some conveyor lifts to bring the material down first

[placid stirrup]

😒 🥁

[spice spindle]

Oh the floor for the delivery is the same vertical height of the sulfur deposit

but there's not support or anything for the rails ><

[white dawn]

If you're building skyrails especially, you'll need to build out some foundations to build the rail on, yeah

[placid stirrup]

Briiiiidge time!

[white dawn]

You can always remove the foundations later if you like

[tropic sinew]

Function first, asthetics later

[white dawn]

Or decorate as a big ol' bridge, yeah, though the decoration will take you longer than the rail, most likely. :)

[placid stirrup]

Wurf

[white dawn]

Remember that no buildable actually has physics; you can just build stuff out into the air and it'll be fine

[real shale]

I remember spending so long on my first railway bridge only to have to completely demolish it later

[placid stirrup]

It's a canon event

[tropic sinew]

Has anyone told them to just use a single-rail, double-headed train instead of fiddling with 2 rails?

[spice spindle]

this all makes my head hurt x.x

[white dawn]

Even if you're doing the "disconnected pillars" method of stringing rail, you nearly always want to be building out some "leading" foundations anyway, even if they get demolished as you go

But if you're struggling with it, no shame in just building a big ol' row of foundations. :)

[tropic sinew]

Just connect the 2 stations as if it was just a conveyor

[white dawn]

And, yeah, in the end if you're feeling like it's not worth the bother, you can just run long conveyor belts

[limpid hazel]

if it's the sulfur on a pillar I'm thinking of it's kind of small for an elevated station

[white dawn]

All the logistics options are viable, even the simple belt. Some folks even continue to prefer belts throughout their whole playthroughs!

[tropic sinew]

But train cool

[spice spindle]

uhhhh it's by the beach

above coper, iron, and concrete

[placid stirrup]

Gold coast one? Yeah that's the one I thought it might be too

[spice spindle]

is there an easier one?

my factory is located on the uh west coast

by all the pure oil nodes

[tropic sinew]

I use TUXEDO btw (I do not have btw privileges)

[placid stirrup]

There are certainly others, exploration and expansion is never a bad move especially if it makes logistics simpler

[limpid hazel]

i mean, it's the closest one, i think it's easier to just build the station on the floor and use conveyant belts

[white dawn]

Yeah, just a miner up top and a lift to bring the material down to the ground (where the train station is) is probably the most straightforward way (or at least the most straightforward way which involves trains. :)

[tropic sinew]

If your head hurts too much, just use tractors instead 🙃

[limpid hazel]

also, any others that are remotely nearby are only normal/impure

[spice spindle]

yeah..

[shrewd shore]

are fireworks removed from the ficsmas event, and is there any reward for completing the last tree? im a teensy bit confused

[tropic sinew]

Hmm

[limpid hazel]

a sense of pride and accomplishment and holidy cheer

[placid stirrup]

At the point you have trains, expanding and building factories around the map becomes very beneficial

[white dawn]

I will throw one more wobble into your planning, btw, though don't let me dissuade you from plans if you're set on them: if you're building out Turbofuel for power purposes, IMO it only really makes sense to do so when you have oil+sulfur+coal all right nearby, close enough that you don't really need logistics to bring it all together.

If you're spending a lot of effort to get sulfur+coal to where your oil is, you may be better off just hunting for the Heavy Oil Residue and Packaged Diluted Fuel alt recipes, which only require Oil + Water, and will give you more power per unit of crude oil than Turbofuel does, anyway

[limpid hazel]

it's worth mentioning btw that almost zero tubers actually know how trains work in this game and they give terrible advice you shouldn't listen to

🥳

nobody should ever give train advice while saying they don't know how much throughput a train station is going to get, as if it's not deterministic and calcuable...

[robust nova]

good evening all

[spice spindle]

idk I was watch DSJeezy and they know what they're doing 💀

[limpid hazel]

never heard of

big if true

[spice spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks2_wOAP1Pw&list=LL&index=6

[white dawn]

To be fair, I never calculate my train throughputs when building lines. I just start with whatever number of cars/platforms feel right and then adjust to suit if I need to, once I see how the route performs in reality. :)

[spice spindle]

😭 seriously?

goddammit.... I already set up this nice looking building and everythin

[white dawn]

I mean, again, don't let me dissuade you if you want to do it. :) I've done Turbofuel power in the past as well; it can be a fun project. :)

Some folks do it specifically so they've got an easy "upgrade" to Rocket Fuel later, too. (Though personally I never upgrade power, so for me that's not a useful advantage)

[spice spindle]

I just completed phase 3. so I figured I'd need a ton of mv like tens of thousands for the upcoming stuff

[versed cosmos]

easier to go straight to rocket fuel with the nitro rocket fuel alt recipe

[spice spindle]

which I've also run into an issue trying to figure out logistics.

[white dawn]

It's definitely worth figuring out logistics. Though if you're on the doorstep of Phase 4, you're also at the doorstep of Drones. And drones are kind of "easy mode" for logistics

[limpid hazel]

this is exactly what I don't understand, I target arrival spacing of minimum 4 minutes and just add more trains, that allows for 600/m per car for stack 100, 1200/m for stack 200, if the rtt is more than 4 minutes i just queue a train at one depot on the route and add more trains

i physically cannot comprehend when people play this game differently from me

🧠

[white dawn]

Heh, you must have a hard time with this channel then. :)

It's the round-trip-time I just don't bother trying to control, which for me makes pre-calculation not worth it

[spice spindle]

hmmm I think I'll procrastinate more on this then.

[limpid hazel]

I don't control it either, it's measured and compensated for by having more trains on the same route

[fast ruin]

Damn i made 3 factory. 1 didn't accounted for miner mk3 while the other 2 did.

However i forgot about power shards for all of them so my steel factory that's gonna use 480 coal and iron isn't scaled up for 1.2k coal and iron

[spice spindle]

though I can't really do anything else since I have no power e.e

[limpid hazel]

my longest route has 9 trains on it on my current world

[white dawn]

Without knowing the actual round-trip time there's no way to accurately know the throughput, and once you do know the actual round-trip time then you've already got the route set up. So I just set it up and adjust if needed

[limpid hazel]

this isn't true, you just add more trains to get the target throughput of x per car

[white dawn]

Only need to wait for one round-trip; if my station's getting emptied out with each run, then I'm good. If not, I add another car

[white dawn]

I'd much prefer to just have longer trains, though. :)

I don't like having more than one train on the same route

[limpid hazel]

i already have 12 car trains when targeting arrival spacing of 4 minutes

[white dawn]

Well, good thing we're all different, I suppose. :)

[limpid hazel]

i hate different

[white dawn]

The game can be played in tons of different ways. There's rarely any "right" way to do anything

[leaden turret]

right way: have fun
wrong way: shit upon others for how they have fun

[white dawn]

(to be clear, even though I react-agreed with that sentiment, I am not implying that fedora rawhide is currently shitting on anyone for how they're having fun. :)

[limpid hazel]

but saying you can't calculate throughput ahead of time is misinformation informed by your playstyle

that is bad. misinformation is so evil.

we can use pipes at 600/m.

[white dawn]

I agree that my statement omitted some qualifications: You cannot calculate the exact throughput of a single car in a train without knowing the round-trip time of the train

And, yes, that becomes an important distinction in my playstyle

[limpid hazel]

So true

[ivory condor]

Very true, though the game offers some calculations, such as throughput numbers on the freight platforms, though that takes some time to allow the system to run and I'm unsure of how accurate that is, though in my testing I didnt find those throughput numbers to be wrong, provided you let it run long enough

[limpid hazel]

idk, beyond that specifically, so many popular sloptubers just don't understand the game and sspread misinformation, it's not a random game, you can control everything. i'm mad on the internet.

[white dawn]

Those numbers are best thought of as estimates, though they do eventually at least approach reality. :D

[limpid hazel]

idk how people who make money off this game and played it 8x longer than me know less about it

[white dawn]

Though the way I handle trains is I just don't bother. I only look for stations being emptied out properly as needed. If they're not, I need more cars. :)

[limpid hazel]

people should be correct and informed

[white dawn]

That's generally how I handle drones, too. Just add a port or two, depending on what my gut feeling is, and see if that's Good Enough.

[placid stirrup]

I work in "exact and precise" enough at my job, "close enough to work" is sufficient for my games

[white dawn]

If not, it's More Ports Time! :D

[leaden turret]

I would name the persons who regularly do that buuuuut it's against the #rules to do so 😛

[ivory condor]

Yep thats basically how I handle them, each time I setup a new stop, i just let it run, if im not getting enough mats, keep adding cars until eventually it has to work.

[white dawn]

To be fair, my approach is also informed by me generally never transporting ores/ingots, or other resources which are likely to put a strain on logistics

I do a lot of sub-factory ferrying-around of materials but by the time things are processed then I'm rarely in a spot where I'll need more than one car per resource

My endgame Phase 5 Part "factories" basically all involve multiple sub-factory logistics sending intermediates all over the place

[ivory condor]

Really so how do you handle things like bauxite, isnt that tough to get away with not transporting it?

also because it exists in a line in the center of the map, though I suppose you could try setup processing of it on site, but then you would need to figure out to get enough water to it.

[shrewd shore]

#screenshots message anyone know whats going on?

[feral jay]

The only way to have fun properly is my way. Every other way is wrong.

[leaden turret]

pretty sure the answer to your question about what's going on in the right-hand side lies in the left-hand side

[shrewd shore]

i cant select it, its a white icon/an aluminum scrap. so no

[white dawn]

Mostly I process within belting distance of the bauxite nodes, yeah, though that is occasionally an exception since there's only a handful of bauxite spots for which that's convenient

I've found red bamboo actually has a lot of great Tractor-sized roads through there; I've had a few aluminum factories fed by tractors of bauxite. :D

(Which is often rather handy if you're also moving coal around for the aluminum, since you've got a Tractor fuel being mined right there too. :D)

[mint ibex]

i just started playing again and im just hearing a random like meeping/meowing noise in the walls. what is that its driving me crazy

[white dawn]

You've got Arachnophobia Mode on, and the cats are feeling feisty

(They'll be in a cave in the direction you're hearing 'em.)

[mint ibex]

no way when did i have that on i do not remember turn it on

tjhank you so much i forgot they dol that

[placid stirrup]

I hear voices in the walls too, my caretaker assures me it's nothing to worry about so long as I'm consistent with candy time

[compact flicker]

I was trying to type the same thing but kept spelling Arachnophobia wrong

I swear if they're gonna put AI in everything, put it into spellcheck next. The existing ones suck lol

Thats the one thing its good at :p

[placid stirrup]

I'm sure it would've worked with voice to text

[compact flicker]

I haven't purposefully hit the TTS button in several years

[placid stirrup]

But once the neural network is up we won't need that

Haha nearly ditto, save for the 3 times a year I'm driving and feel the need to respond to a text

[real shale]

Factory

[shrewd hatch]

I purchased a shit ton of concrete from the awesome shop

[real shale]

Nice

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[shrewd hatch]

I am being fr

does biofuel last longer than normal fuel

I might just keep buying that instead of normal fuel

[placid stirrup]

Everything you've said is a waste to buy with coupons

[dense violet]

is there anything else going on in your life that isn't just buying items with coupons?

[shrewd hatch]

no

okay I researched, biofuel is better

[placid stirrup]

shockedpikachu.mp4

[shrewd hatch]

check screenshots for proof im not lying

is there a vc channel where I can screenshare me buying stuff and then deleting it

[hallow pulsar]

ive spent 200 coupons on steal beams

[placid stirrup]

You should just steel them instead

[shrewd hatch]

200 coupons is pocket change

[hallow pulsar]

building big factories is too hard so i just build simple ones and buy the other stuff i need

[white dawn]

Remember that coupons get more and more "expensive" to produce -- if you think there's any chance you might want to buy the "trophies" from the AWESOME shop, you might want to stop buying resources so much. :D

[shrewd hatch]

Yea I just have an iron rod and iron sheet factory, thats it

[white dawn]

(If you don't want the trophies and already have the other unlocks you care about, of course, then go hog wild. :D)

[shrewd hatch]

have them constantly feeding sinks and afk farmin coupons

i have realized that it takes days for me to get a coupon now

or hours idk

so I expanded my iron sheet and iron rod factory

[placid stirrup]

It will take longer and longer every coupon you produce. Eventually you won't be able to play the game if you're sinking just those

[shrewd hatch]

ill just sink reionforcedd iron plates

easy solution

[placid stirrup]

Good luck with that

[shrewd hatch]

or sink the stuff I Purhcased

I wanna sink power shards

[white dawn]

Alas, have to convert 'em to Packaged Ionized Fuel first

[shrewd hatch]

can I buy packaged ionized fuel later in the game

[white dawn]

(or, I suppose, Alien Power Matrixes)

[real shale]

Coupon

[shrewd hatch]

yo I can just feed biomass burners with biofuel

[real shale]

Aaaaaaaaa, my big box collection doesn't arrive until Jan 2026, that's why I've seen others with it already

[shrewd hatch]

okay coupon storage is running dry guys

[real shale]

EU/UK orders are Jan 2026 specifically.... Rip

[teal geyser]

Thats what we were trying to tell you yesterday

[shrewd hatch]

okay I am OUT of coupons guys

[feral jay]

heh I just sink everything

[teal geyser]

Disaster

[feral jay]

The coupons just keep coming

[shrewd hatch]

and its like almost impossible to get coupons now

[feral jay]

Every factory you build, keep it running all the time, and just sink excess

[shrewd hatch]

wait ur a genius

instead of sinking everything, I can split it and use some for myself

[feral jay]

I fill storage bins first and after that, everything gets sunk

Every factory I build just runs all the time

Well it's also a challenge I set for myself this save, all machines must always run at 100% all the time

[shrewd hatch]

good luck with the power

[feral jay]

(effeciency, not clock speed)

Power is easy enough to build

Especially once I unlock turbo blend and rocket fuel

[teal geyser]

Block man must be trolling in here at this point

[brazen coral]

Is Plutonium waste processed in stage 5?

[shrewd hatch]

who is Block man

[brazen coral]

Just got the particle accelerator

[real shale]

Yes, you can process it into ficsonium

[feral jay]

You are

[shrewd hatch]

my user is not block man

[teal geyser]

Sembol*

[shrewd hatch]

semmie sembol whatever

[brazen coral]

Ok cool, so what can I do with it before then? Don't want it just lingering

[real shale]

Stuff it into a storage container somewhere, not much you can do with it at the moment

[brazen coral]

Kk

[hallow pulsar]

i dont build factories it hurts😥

[shrewd hatch]

building factories is the most boring part of this game

[real shale]

🎣

[shrewd hatch]

but I push throug

I just made my reinforced iron plate factory guys

[feral jay]

Building factories is for losers, I just explore and kill things

[brazen coral]

Making blueprints makes it easier to make it overall, you'll have a ton by the end of the game, even just repeating structures

Pipes included

[ivory condor]

plays a factory building game, refuses to build factories in it, decides to turn it into a fps game instead

[feral jay]

It's also a great parkour game

[brazen coral]

Right now I'm just currently gatekeeped at phase 4, mostly building the thermal propulsion rocket Is the slowest part at the moment

[shrewd hatch]

why did ficsit call

ada is saying theres a litter of lizard baby doggos

wheres their mother

[feral jay]

I killed her

[shrewd hatch]

no I did

[sterile cosmos]

will satisfactory ever have crossplay between pc and console? is there any potential for it to happen?

[white dawn]

There's always potential but they have no current plans to do so

Keep an eye on https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/features/console-release/ for future potential updates

[shrewd hatch]

I just want satisfactory to optimize their build menu

[sterile cosmos]

[zealous urchin]

good morning smth smth

[sour ledge]

be funny if they let you damage your buildings. Like throw a nobelisk at a rocket fuel powered/filled generator and kablooey, whole plants toast along with your face

[real shale]

pls no the amount of times i accidentally throw a nobelisk down

[white dawn]

heh, the idea's been tossed their way many times over the years, and they've said they won't do destructible factories. :D Maybe a mod could do it for ya though. :)

[shrewd hatch]

is it only middle aged men playing this game

[unkempt blade]

we like trains

[real shale]

god if 21 is middle aged then my life is screwed

[shrewd hatch]

uncle

got back pain?

[real shale]

not particularly no

[shrewd hatch]

do you have a job

[real shale]

No, I am currently doing a degree

[shrewd hatch]

oh ok

would you say a 5 year old would understand how to play this game

[unkempt blade]

yeah you just run around and bonk aliens

[real shale]

yeah, understanding it and playing it in a very optimal matter a very different, i dont expect a 5 year old to plan an entire factories worth of math

[shrewd hatch]

I think the aliens would win the fight

[ocean frost]

You would need a way of knowing something has been destroyed 😔

[shrewd hatch]

okay but seriously who plans the math

[real shale]

me

[shrewd hatch]

just find out how much you need, and then make all the parts one by one

[unkempt blade]

I'm just here because I like trains

[compact flicker]

Unironically think I would've done better in early school if I was playing the game full of math at the time

[ocean frost]

There is an alchemy craft game, or timber born

[real shale]

considering how rudimentary the math in this game is compared to the eldrich horrors im subjected to in my degree, this math is perfectly natural for me lol

[ocean frost]

Shapz is also really really good

[unkempt blade]

5yr olds should only be allowed to play educational fundamentals games like starcraft 1

[shrewd hatch]

5 yr olds shouldnt have access to the internet first of all

[ocean frost]

Only if they are Korean

[ocean frost]

Anything is better than Roblox

[shrewd hatch]

yes

[unkempt blade]

it'll toughen them up for next gen logistics games

[real shale]

Satisfactory 2....

[shrewd hatch]

I would make my child play war thunder and hoi 4

and a bit of euro truck simulator 2

[ocean frost]

It's called DSP

[unkempt blade]

and microsoft solitaire and old flash games

[real shale]

no its called Satisfactory 2, DSP is a 2.5D game

[shrewd hatch]

I used to transport stuff with conveyor belts only

no trains or vehicles

[whole drum]

You advanced to doing it by hand?

[shrewd hatch]

no im using trains now

[haughty river]

Can someone please call me who knows about train signals? I'm kind of losing it here xD

[shrewd hatch]

also why does my train horn sound muffled when passing by a 1 meter wall

[whole drum]

There are many threads in #1038092680493801533 on the topic

[haughty river]

The problem is that I find it very hard to put into words.

[whole drum]

Well, if you just need to understand them better, read through a few of those. If there is something specific to your setup you need help with, make a thread with screenshots.

[pulsar glade]

Is switching to fuel power worth it or should I stick with coal power ???

[sour ledge]

man i always suck at getting where i wanna be when i swithc from biofuel to ionized

the bunny hop rhythm goes to crap

[dense violet]

you can do more power in one location with oil power than coal

[sour ledge]

Absolutely worth switching to fuel power, though fuel has multiple 'stages' of growth as you get alt recipes and are able to process fuel further into rocket fuel. But you will get way more mileage for your effort from fuel than coal

that said, you can use both for a lil while while you transition and then just turn off the coal and repurpose it once its not a meaningful part of your power generation

using just the base recipes with no nonsense, you can turn 600 crude oil into 400 fuel into 5000 MW of power, if you wanna compare it to coal.

But with further effort and alt recipes you can turn that 600 crude into as much as 1600 fuel for 20,000 MW of power.... and if you progress a bit further into tier 8 you can get rocket power and turn that 1600 fuel into 2400 rocket fuel which is... 144,000 MW of power.

[last tartan]

hear me out guys

ficsit factory cart on 35's and king shocks

[pulsar glade]

What type of fuel is best bio fuel or normal fuel

[dense violet]

for what?

[pulsar glade]

For the fuel powered gen

[dense violet]

well you can't fully automate bio fuel

that's typically a problem for power supply

[pulsar glade]

So normal fuel is better

[sour ledge]

for the jetpack? liquid biofuel beats normal fuel by a mile. For power? Uh.... what cobalt said.

[pulsar glade]

I’m using normal fuel for my jet pack

[dense violet]

!wikisearch jetpack

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[dense violet]

this will have a chart that gives you the info on what fuels do what

many people like liquid Bio for jet packs

[sour ledge]

throw a quick mini-factory for liquid biofuel - yo uwon't regret it. Regular fuel is awful in the jetpack comparitively.

[pulsar glade]

Ok

[gilded glade]

how do i use the public notes properly

[dense violet]

I don't think there's sa formatting option in it. You could google though?

[last tartan]

Are hypertubes two way? never even bothered to unlock their milestone.

[dense violet]

you can change direction while inside it

[zealous urchin]

hypertube hype

meanwhile jump pad ;(

[pearl sparrow]

boing

[drowsy kelp]

Is there a way to delete the auto-drive path that was part of a tractor that was deconstructed

[vale epoch]

Im on early game rn and the iron wire + stitched iron plate combo is carrying me

[drowsy kelp]

Like the whole thing at once

[zealous urchin]

its one of the best

it makes most sense resource wise

if u want to just iron it out

[pulsar glade]

Is it better to make to make my fuel for the fuel powered generator with the formula that uses oil and makes fuel and polymer resin orrr the one that uses the left over liquid from making plastic and rubber ???

[zealous urchin]

if one wants to sprinkle more resources on it then
steel cast screw, solid steel, molded beam, wet concrete improve it alot but its a hustle

[reef basin]

wth is "steel cast screw"? 😄

[zealous urchin]

isnt it the screw from steel beam

[reef basin]

that's just "steel screw"

(and is not even the most resource efficient screw chain)

[reef basin]

"better" is the one that you like more 😉

[pulsar glade]

Ok

[zealous urchin]

how so

[reef basin]

steel rod -> base screw uses less steel for same amount of screws

[vale epoch]

There is another cast screws alt recipe but for steel?

[zealous urchin]

u think it beats molded beam when considering in concrete?

[reef basin]

well at that point you need to specify how you value concrete vs steel 🙂

[zealous urchin]

concrete dirt cheap, coal for steel dont wanna bother that much

ik its more resources after all

[near frost]

kinda stupid but which button to change the type of ammo for noblisk

[reef basin]

the problem with "resource efficiency" is that you need to assign value to each resource to be able to compare them properly

[zealous urchin]

there is one to make screws from steel beam, i was tripping and mixed its name

[zealous urchin]

i get it but its not like one will run out of limestone

so thats just my reasoning

[reef basin]

it's not like you'll run out of anything

[zealous urchin]

ram and vram

[wicked nacelle]

hold reload button

[near frost]

Ya i found it

[wicked nacelle]

drawing a bunch of instances of the same thing doesn't actually take more vram -- at least not meaningfully more

[wicked nacelle]

same for things like rifle ammo

[near frost]

ya ya thanks

[astral chasm]

how do i get the gas filters for the hazmat suit milestone??

!wikisearch gas filters

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=gas+fliters

[astral chasm]

!wikisearch gas filters

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=gas+filters

[astral chasm]

!wikisearch gas filter

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=gas+filter

[leaden turret]

I mean you could've just clicked the first result there

[gritty sleet]

Weird question, but I'm trying to do no-clipping belting without having seen them - is uranium waste taller than uranium fuel rods, or are they the same height?

[wicked nacelle]

Advanced game modes is great for trying stuff.

You can just give yourself stuff and put it on a belt and see

[brazen coral]

Having difficulty with how to setup nuclear power, should I import stuff from main factory that has overflow to allow craft atm?

[wicked nacelle]

What do you mean how? Any of the usual stuff works. There’s nothing special about nuclear except it just takes more kinds of things

Trains. Drones. Belts. Vehicles if you hate yourself

[gritty sleet]

I was kinda hoping someone would just have a screenshot of uranium fuel and waste on a belt lol

[wicked nacelle]

This would take you five minutes to test

[gritty sleet]

It'd take me longer because I have no idea what Advanced Game Modes is or how to use it lol

[wicked nacelle]

Well then you get to learn two things 🙂

Maybe advanced game settings? Something like that

[brazen coral]

I mean like how to structure it, getting real confused as to how it should look if it's a stand-alone factory

More so to not make a mess

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch advanced game settings

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=advanced+game+settings

[wicked nacelle]

It really depends on the exact details of what you’re making where. No one can really tell you what you’ll like in your own save.

[gritty sleet]

Best I can tell from what I've found online are that uranium waste barrels are basically full height, same size as packaged barrels of oil. Mainly just a question of how big uranium fuel rods are.

[brazen coral]

Linear builds if at all possible

[wicked nacelle]

I gave you the link for how to do it. It’s not difficult you can just give yourself a stack of each and put them in a container and hook up a belt to the container and see.

[gritty sleet]

Yeah I don't want to cheat though. I'm hoping I can find something in Google images or something...

[wicked nacelle]

Just make another save. It’s great for testing all sorts of things.

[brazen coral]

I'm able to utilize drones atm so now that's an option

Also have a steady supply of batteries going for them at the moment

[gritty sleet]

Found a pic, looks like they're basically the same height...

[wicked nacelle]

For nuclear drones nuclear power is the best power 🙂

But of course that doesn’t bootstrap well

[brazen coral]

Do they run off of the encased cells or do they have to run off the fuel rods

[wicked nacelle]

Plutonium fuel rods are great for drones since you don’t have to worry about waste

So burn your uranium process it to plutonium then send that to drones and either burn or sink the rest

[brazen coral]

I didn't realize that they essentially ate the waste o_o

Good to know

[wicked nacelle]

Processing plut waste into ficsonium is miserable for me so I just sink plutonium fuel rods I don’t use for drones

[brazen coral]

I'll have to set up a line to get it working when I'm able to, only have one particle accelerator at the moment and it's just busy crafting the nuclear pasta

So almost at phase 5

Which recipe for the fuel rods still gets the most output per minute? Or does the plutonium rod only have one recipe?

[zealous urchin]

there are w few amon entire chain

[wicked nacelle]

All the alts are in the wiki including production rate per building but that seems an odd way to choose instead of just making more buildings

!wikisearch uranium fuel rods

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=uranium+fuel+rods

[brazen coral]

I mean the only thing that would be slowing me down would be the crystal oscillator

It's just incredibly slow to begin with

[wicked nacelle]

Yes I hate those things. That’s the only thing I complain about how many buildings it takes. Why do they make you make fields of manufacturers for that?

I don’t even care the per item input cost. Just the manufacturer spam.

[brazen coral]

Yeah I think that's the slowest part out of anything even given its alternate recipe, it's still really slow.

Just kind of hijacks the whole lineup

[wicked nacelle]

I make them elsewhere and ship them.

Drones work great for their production rates

[brazen coral]

Right now my whole main factory is processing every kind of thing except for rubber and plastic, those I get imported by train

Eventually going to replace the trains with drones

[hexed phoenix]

Then what are you during here.. hurr hurr hurr :D

[shrewd hatch]

BAHAHAHHAHAA

[placid comet]

Been thinking about using more blueprints. Suppose I make a mistake and want to remove an entire set of buildings the same way I put them down, is that something I can do

[zealous urchin]

u can remove all of blueprint at once

[placid comet]

You mean as opposed to taking a placed blueprint apart piece by piece, I can highlight everything all at once?

[hasty stump]

you can switch to "dismantle blueprint" mode to do that

[placid comet]

I wasn’t aware that was a thing. I hope it wasn’t too obvious and I'm just blind

Also been looking into how to blend edges together better when clipping. Not a fan of what I learned is called Z Fighting

[lost rapids]

Uhhhhh power turned off and i can't turn it back on 🥲

[placid comet]

Whats your primary power source?

[lost rapids]

Nuclear

[hasty stump]

while in dismantle mode, check the help text, it will tell you what key/button to use to switch the dismantle mode (default is "R" on PC, i believe)

[lost rapids]

Yeah gl for bringing back water and shit

[placid comet]

Ooof not that far. Wish I had a suggestion

Suppose the best I can say is make certain your plants have their demand met, set up a kickstart generators and cut power costs so its just feeding the nuke plants

[placid comet]

Yea supposedly thats the same way to enable auto connect. What I haven’t checked yet is what "R" is on a PS5 controller

[lost rapids]

First, im gonna turn off powered foundations

Ciz it's pissing me off

[placid comet]

Oh I know the pain. Nothing worse than fixing an unstable power plant setup. Cause you need power just to feed the damn things

[lost rapids]

Cuz whatever i was building ( even in water ) was already connected to the main circuit

💀

Yummy, game is taking forever to load

Guess my 400h save is ruined :3

[placid comet]

Oh another piece of advice. Build a bunch of power storage and check them occasionally. If it ever dips under 100%, you'll have time to fix the issue

[lost rapids]

Dw i had 300k MW storage but it went in void lol

[placid comet]

Oops LUL

[lost rapids]

Just forgot to turn off a machine that was taking 1.4M MW

MY save loaded finally LOL

[dense violet]

there's a reason they cut powered foundations from the game in the first place...

[split osprey]

Which item is more efficient to sink, ai servers or ballistic warp drives?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch sink

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=sink

[dense violet]

I'm sure it changes based on your recipe choice and how you like to build things

[placid comet]

I have a question. I've come to realize its absolutely worth overclocking generators, but is it worth overclocking input sources or should I just build more to meet demand?

[dense violet]

what are 'input resources' ?

[placid comet]

Materials fed into the generators

[dense violet]

the only difference is space saved.

[hasty stump]

i overclock pretty much all miners, if my current belt tech level can handle it

[dense violet]

for both those and generators

[dense violet]

all OCing does to generators is save space.

doesn't give you more power per fuel

[placid comet]

It may save space but it also takes an additional percent of power, which can add up when OCing hungry structures

[dense violet]

it does not

if you OC a generator to 200% , it'll output 200% power, but consume 200% fuel

you could just build another generator at 100% and have the same effect

[placid comet]

I checked. The power taken for something at 200% is more than double default

[wicked nacelle]

No one is saying otherwise.

[dense violet]

yes, but that doesn't mean OCing generators is 'good for more power'

[wicked nacelle]

Things that “take power” are less power efficient the higher they’re clocked. This includes every % over 1%

Generators don’t take power.

[dense violet]

Also fully OCing a factory to 250% for every machine only consumes 34% more power.
not a huge deal

[zealous urchin]

OC is a difference betweeng putting down 400 and 160 buildings, to me it seems u will have more will to live later and will be less likely to procrastinate

especialy when considering endless field of fuel generators 😆

[dense violet]

Like, OC generators if you have the shards for it, but mechanically it's not beneficial

[wicked nacelle]

Refineries are probably in second place for me

[placid comet]

I guess I haven’t gotten to the point where I can just make a bunch of generators and have their output render any power cost a non-issue

[dense violet]

make a big diluted fuel set up. Tons of power and easy

power is so easy and plentiful in the game it's basically a non issue

[zealous urchin]

Difuel is so good

[wicked nacelle]

Water in this game is silly powerful

It basically doubles everything it touches. Some a bit more some a bit less but but dang.

[zealous urchin]

water is extremly combustible gas mixed with extremly potent oxidizer making together one of the most stable substances giving life to all living beings

hard to find anything more ying yang anime chemical

[placid comet]

I just want to make sure. Currently I have 8 OC'd fuel generators outputting 5k power and not even 2k is being used. I want to make sure I stay in the green when I move forward setting my modular factories

[dense violet]

Find the Heavy Oil Residue alt, + diluted (packaged) fuel.

make a quick 30gw system. You'll need it

[wicked nacelle]

I like to be about 50% over my current power number before I go build my next factory section. Then after that factory section is done bring it back up
To above 50% buffer. Repeat forever or at least until very late game

[dense violet]

I'll build 64 coal gens for a solid ... 7gw? and that'll last me to tier 7

then do a nice fuel system

[zealous urchin]

oof i might do coal gen myself just for fun

exhaust must smoke

[placid comet]

Coal gens are much easier when you unlock compact coal

[dense violet]

all that does is turn the sulfur to more coal
easier to just find more coal next to water

when you run the numbers, if you have 100 coal and 100 sulfur, and turn it to compacted coal, it's almost the exact same output as just having 200 coal

[placid comet]

Precisely why I set my coal plant in the desert to the east. 2 pure nodes and a nice oasis

[dense violet]

eh, if you want. But compacted coal is just.. super niche. There aren't many sulfur nodes around and easier to just look at coal nodes

[placid comet]

Oh I'm not actually doing that. Compact coal is better as turbo for my current needs

And all I need is an impure sulfur node to meet those needs

[compact flicker]

I need to set up a map spanning train to collect all the coal and sulfer for my power plants

[placid comet]

Rest assured you will not need that much. Once I hit nuclear, I dont think I'll need coal for power anymore, and all I'm using for power is ONE pure node

[compact flicker]

For turbo/rocket fuel :3

[placid comet]

Yep. Only using one node for making compact coal, which I feed into my refiners

[compact flicker]

I have 4 normal and 1.8~ pure for my phase 3 setup :p

[zealous urchin]

me not finishing RF set up for 2nd week

[placid comet]

Now I just need a little inspiration. My generator set up is currently nestled in the canyon west of the dunes

On the spot where the nearest oil nodes are

[astral chasm]

how do i make a conveyer belt only take one of the items in the frait train station

[dense violet]

if you are dropping off multiple items to a platform it'll take both
you need to sort it into containers first.

with an overflow to a sink

[astral chasm]

wont a sink destroy the items?

oh i just got it XD

[dense violet]

yes, but if you're using everything it'll balance out and eventually not crunch anything

so if you're need X and Y parts per min to a place, send exactly that and the sink won't get anything once it stabalises

[astral chasm]

if you sort it into containers wont the conveyer belt still take the other item?

or do i need a smart filter?

splitter*

[dense violet]

a smart splitter, yes 🙂

[astral chasm]

okok

[dense violet]

basically always need those when you're doing sushi stuff

[astral chasm]

fair enouhg

fuck man i didnt want to deal with ai limiters 😭

[dense violet]

why not? easy to make

[astral chasm]

you should see my base

[dense violet]

everyone is messy at the start 🙂

[astral chasm]

im at aluminum

i sent you a pic of the base

[dense violet]

it's not awful 🙂

and imo all hte milestones are basically a tutorial

you're still learning the basics

[astral chasm]

fair

i just learned trains

[astral chasm]

but i also have 300 hours which i know isnt a ton

but its still quite a bit

[smoky forge]

trains or also train signals

[astral chasm]

both

[smoky forge]

good 👍

[dense violet]

you'll get there! just takes planning and practice

[astral chasm]

pain in my ass but i figured it out

[dense violet]

start from the end point and work backwards and break down every section

[astral chasm]

wish i woulda known that lol

[smoky forge]

at 300h i had figured out to set up 2 stations with one train cycling inbetween them 🤣

[astral chasm]

yeah. fun

[smoky forge]

now at 700h im p good with signals

[astral chasm]

im not perfect but i can set up some signals and two trains

[hot mango]

good morning pioneers

[smoky forge]

the real fun comes with more than 5 trains in an area of a time of like 2 minutes

like realy crowded

[smoky forge]

wasup

[astral chasm]

morning to you

what time is it for you cuh

its 12:30AM for me

[hot mango]

hey, its 8;38 am here

in england

[smoky forge]

9:38

[astral chasm]

lucky

its midnight for me

[smoky forge]

dam

[hot mango]

not long woke up, fed my cat and made a coffee

[smoky forge]

america then

[astral chasm]

yep

[smoky forge]

im in the middle of school

[astral chasm]

yowch

[smoky forge]

electrical engineering classes be fire

[hot mango]

oof

[dense violet]

Eyes on your task 😛

[astral chasm]

my aluminum casings are in my aluminum sheets box and my sheets are in my casing im cooked 😭

[next tartan]

How good is the alternate automated miner

[astral chasm]

meh

depends on how you like it

[next tartan]

What about the solid steel Ingot

[astral chasm]

not great

not horrible either

goodnight my pioneers im off to sleep 👋

[dense violet]

useful to always have miners available. You need a lot for high mk miners

[dense violet]

@astral chasm solid steel ingo is amazingly useful. Great generalist recipe

it's +50% steel just having an extra small processing step

compared to base recipe*

[hot mango]

👋

[next tartan]

Ok thanks

[hot mango]

i need more coffee

coupon update!! i now up to 15,291 printable coupons

[compact flicker]

How many nut statues do you have?

[zealous urchin]

what is this cursed technique

[hot mango]

oh i finished my game and was bored, diverted everything i was making in to the sink, and kept going..

became obsessed with it, and boosted my output

now making around, just over 35 mill points per min

i maxxed out the sink to 250 million points per coupon

[pearl sparrow]

monsters vs aliens bob gif

[compact flicker]

I might just dupe project parts

[hot mango]

ada would not be happy with you lol

[compact flicker]

Is it not the peak of efficiency?

[hot mango]

will she see it that way tho?

[compact flicker]

(Whole production lines for an item who's only use is to be sent away just don't appeal to me, I've saved the day before and I just want my hoverpack and blender)

[hot mango]

😆 yeah i see your pain, i would want a hover pack too..

i have no idea how to dupe on here tbh, ive never done it

[compact flicker]

Forbidden knowledge, I wish I didn't know how to lol

||its really not hard, its the save state type of dupe||

[tired reef]

i haven’t really used the blueprint other than for tracks and manifolds what other blueprints are useful to make??

[compact flicker]

Large portions of architecture

[tired reef]

makes sense, i seem some awesome builds hopefully i get a better understanding before i finish

[cyan leaf]

Ffff i hate making computers

[compact flicker]

Caterium computers and electrode circuits

[tired reef]

i’m in phase 3 rn 50 hours in 😭 and i’m rebuilding so far to make everything balanced

[hot mango]

i thought it would be something around saving..

[compact flicker]

Makes em simpler

[cyan leaf]

Lol relatable asf

[tired reef]

it’s a mess with the math i should’ve planned but my factory does look very organized atleast

[cyan leaf]

What material does electrode circuit replaces?

[hot mango]

sounds like pain 😁

[dense violet]

here, a gift https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=YbP2U8vOat2QNZVfN9Bl

[dense violet]

electrode CB chews through oil. And you'll still need the caterium

[cyan leaf]

Oh its not that I dont have the materials for it lol I can't be ass fixing the setup I have for it to be closer to 10 o think cause of how many things it needs 😭

[dense violet]

look at the link and see how many things it needs

[compact flicker]

There is more oil than I know what to do with lol

[dense violet]

still. The link I shared only uses oil and caterium.

[cyan leaf]

Oh o am using the caterium alt for the computer and cb i just can't be bothered fixing it up 😭 to many things to bloody work around atm as I got the hor to deal wirb

[dense violet]

I mean sure, in this plan Caterim Comps aren't much dif to the regular recipe.

but it's a significant resource savings in general

[zealous urchin]

some ppl just enjoy being miserable

nothing keeps u in this game

u can play smth else or watch anime

[compact flicker]

"I use screws in my factories"

[dense violet]

bolted plates and frames are amazing 😛

[zealous urchin]

yare yare

how quickly does the plot twist thicken

[cyan leaf]

How do u know???? (I somehow manage to maintain the base recipe for heavy mod frames pretty well lol)

[pearl sparrow]

i have like 6 alt recipes and use one of them (that being cast screws), i am about to finish phase 3

exploring takes precious time away from expanding the factory and getting instant dopamine

[cyan leaf]

Faxxx

[wicked nacelle]

but exploring makes building better.... so 😕

but it's a great time to go out exploring each time you're waiting for elevator parts... or just get a friend who doesn't like factory building so much but likes exploring and have them get all the hard drives

[zealous urchin]

exploring is boring

[sick falcon]

man i wish i could remember to sloop my power shards

[zenith spire]

No. I just found 4 purple slugs from one singular spot from exploring hella from my base

[zenith spire]

What does it mean to sloop the power shards? Just allow for more overclocking? Sorry I’m new at the game & only have gotten the power shards yet, haven’t yet figured out what the sloop things do yet

[sick falcon]

if you craft power shards in a constructor instead of by hand, you can use somersloops to double your output

its unlocked later

sloops let you double the output of any machine, at the cost of 4x the power

[zenith spire]

Ah shit. It wasn’t a good idea to craft all purple slugs into power shards yet then

[dense violet]

there's enough slugs on the map for 5000 shards, you'll be fine

[sick falcon]

its not a huge deal, you wont be lacking for power shards

[zenith spire]

Damn that’s actually crazy. I only expected like maybe 1k at most

[hot mango]

you get to make your own power shards later, and you can always put the slugs back with the map editor tool

[dense violet]

nope, heaps and heaps

[zenith spire]

Damn

[sick falcon]

"and you can always cheat more in"

[zenith spire]

For an extreme output factory you could possibly justify that

Wonder what that would look like using every resource node on the map, everything

[dense violet]

your computer would be on fire.

[zenith spire]

Ong

[tall lantern]

If "using" includes just sending straight to sink then you'll be fine 😉

[zealous urchin]

alucard is registered curse texhnique user
better watxh out

[regal geode]

hellos guys hows everyone?

[pearl sparrow]

I'm pretty good wbu

[regal geode]

im good, thanks for asking

[hybrid nymph]

I finally made it to tier 7 tonight! I finally got all of the parts for the space elevator parts to the delivery

[sick falcon]

trying to make a plastic refinery in an enclosed space kill me

[hybrid nymph]

I just reached tier 7 and it took me 88 hours of playtime, but I was taking my time, enjoying the game, and exploring

[regal geode]

and i have a overflow of nuclear waste

[hybrid nymph]

Tends to happen when one is using nuclear reactors, try reprocessing it into plutonium fuel rods and either awesome sinking them or using them for power

The plutonium produces 10 times less waste than uranium fuel rods do

[regal geode]

i havent unlocked that yet

[hybrid nymph]

Storing plutonium waste isn't too too bad

[sick falcon]

it took me 160 hours to reach t7

[hybrid nymph]

Well this is my 5th playthrough, so I do know what I'm doing

[regal geode]

tier on the elevator or milettone?

[hybrid nymph]

Took me 2 weeks to reach tier 7

Phase 3

[regal geode]

cool

im 60hours in an are on nuclear now

[hybrid nymph]

This was playing for 4-6 hours a day for the last 3 weeks

Good for you 😁

Is it worth overclocking nuclear reactors?

[fiery pewter]

Depends

[hybrid nymph]

I could get 6250MW from a single reactor

I do know that reactors are efficient like biofuel burners, if the power isn't actively being used, it will shut off

[gritty zealot]

does anyone here think that vehicles like trucks are too impractical because of their use of packaged fuel? shouldnt they be electric powered?

[fiery pewter]

You don't have to use packaged fuel

[hybrid nymph]

You can use batteries for them

[gritty zealot]

there are batteries!?

[hybrid nymph]

Or better yet fuel rods = infinite fuel

[fiery pewter]

You can use anything ranging from biomass to ficsonium fuel rods

[hybrid nymph]

Yes there are

You unlock them at tier 8

[gritty zealot]

when do i unlock them

oh..

[hybrid nymph]

What tier are you?

[gritty zealot]

tier 6

[hybrid nymph]

You got a ways to go brother

How close are you to completing the phase 3 space elevator parts? Have you even started producing them yet?

[gritty zealot]

not even close

[hybrid nymph]

Once everything is setup, it takes about 3 hours to produce all the parts

Even with somerslooping your manufacturers

[gritty zealot]

ill worry about it when i get there

[hybrid nymph]

You need a full deep storage unit of automated wiring

You need a ton of cable and copper wire

You got this!

[gritty zealot]

while im here, do remind me how i switch ammo on the nobelisk detonator

[hybrid nymph]

I haven't even used vehicles on this playthrough yet, I just waited until I got trains at tier 6 then just used nothing but trains, since they're the best vehicle

[gritty zealot]

i need something for medium range transport

trucks would be perfect, if not for the fuel

[hybrid nymph]

Press the R key to switch ammo

Trains are always the best, super easy to automate, fastest land vehicle, can carry a lot of stuff

They travel at 120KM/h

[gritty zealot]

you dont have to tell me this stuff i have 600 hours i just dont know anything beyond tier 6

[hybrid nymph]

Just don't ask me how the signals work, no clue about that though

I have knowledge up to tier 8

I haven't gotten past tier 8 on any save yet

My first 2 saves were during early access, so there was only tier 8

[gritty zealot]

ah

[hybrid nymph]

My third save was with friends, we stopped at tier 3

My fourth save was with another friend

We stopped at tier 8

My 5th save, we got to tier 7 today

[hexed phoenix]

⛳ Golfing in Satisfactory... 🏌️‍♂️ Noice

[kindred marlin]

Merry Christmas To Every Pioneer Out Here

[gritty zealot]

im going to make sure that my first save is my first completion, i love this world so much

[hybrid nymph]

Really wish that the devs would add in: solar, wind, and hydroelectric power

But no it would be broken 💔

[hexed phoenix]

There is some pretty well made mods that adds that already

[hybrid nymph]

Never tried mods for the game actually

Oh nice ☺️

How many hours have you been working on this save Dizzy?

[gritty zealot]

600 hours

[hybrid nymph]

Oof 😣

[fiery pewter]

I've never gotten past oil power lol

[hybrid nymph]

That's more hours than I have in the game total, I only have 530 hours on steam in this game

[gritty zealot]

i like to take my time

[fiery pewter]

All my saves stop in the middle of the construction of an oil power plant

[gritty zealot]

the puppies and kittens can wait

[gritty zealot]

you gotta do better than that

[hybrid nymph]

You should finish oil

My personal setup, get the oil plant by the beach

There are 4 oil sources, 2 of them pure

[fiery pewter]

Me in the middle of the Northern Forest :3

But I have big plans

Currently still in phase 0

[gritty zealot]

im gonna send a photo of my oil plant

#screenshots message

[hybrid nymph]

Setup 4 refineries making fuel fully overclocked, then setup 5 fully overclocked coal generators, have the train deliver compacted coal, use the compacted coal to power the coal gens and setup 7 refineries making turbofuel, then hook up 10 fully overclocked fuel generators running on turbo fuel, boom 6250 MW of power

[fiery pewter]

Oh I know how to make oil plants

[hybrid nymph]

Good 👍😊

[fiery pewter]

It is actually making it

The initial kickstart

[feral jay]

Approacing 2.5 million stored Ficsmas gifts...

[hybrid nymph]

Yo dizzy nice oil plant, I'll send mine tomorrow

[dense violet]

power production is easy enough as it is

[feral jay]

Solar power would be free and unlimited power

So, no, that would break the game

[feral jay]

You could also have a look at the Refined Power mod, it's quite popular

[hybrid nymph]

Hmm 🤔

[feral jay]

I believe it adds all of that

[hybrid nymph]

Possibly

[fiery pewter]

That's why I'm going to make alot of coal plants

[hybrid nymph]

I'm just trying to explore to find more sloops

[fiery pewter]

And big battery bank

[feral jay]

Hydroelectric power would be cool, there'd be a limited number of places you can build it so it qwouldn't be unlimited

[fiery pewter]

Currently I have a biomass plant that, technically, can produce 1350 MW

[feral jay]

But, geothermal already serves the purpose hydroelectric would, so I'd rather they work on other stuff

[fiery pewter]

I am actually going to unlock basic steel and logistics mk 3 first

And then coal power

Oh and advanced power infrastructure

I really like the power tower aestethic

I will share my starter base in #screenshots once it is finished

[compact flicker]

Ofc do what you like, but coal power is insanely good when you unlock it

[fiery pewter]

But first I gotta organize le starter base

Give it the designs I want to give it

Then

Onwards

To automated pollution

Also, could a pulse nobilisk destroy a cracked rock?

[unkempt blade]

more! you need at least 4000 biomass burners!

[fiery pewter]

What do I do with 12 GW of biomass power?

[feral jay]

Keep it online as a backup, it'll only ever kick in if you actually need it

[unkempt blade]

build like ~3 mid game factories

[fiery pewter]

My current plant will do that too :/

Naw

[fiery pewter]

But anyway

[unkempt blade]

not sure, I don't really bother with the fancy nobelisks much

[fiery pewter]

More because

The calandar gave me 30

And my closest caterium node, the one I need, is blocked by a rock

[sick falcon]

if i need to divide a liquid into 2 different sized flows i can just split it into 2 pipes and itll sort itself out on its own right

[feral jay]

Assuming headlift isn't an issue, yes

[waxen swift]

after new year event ends will i keep my cane sword?

[feral jay]

yes

[waxen swift]

hell yeah

[ancient lantern]

Sigh, long shot but @light bough refer to https://discord.com/channels/1226738439106334842/1452998735184527452 when available please.

[dense violet]

depends, in general you want to avoid splitting a pipe into 2 manifolds

[sinful carbon]

was the bug where you could pick up things through rocks if you were using parachute fixed?

[flint valve]

If I destroy the Christmas tree after the event will I not be able to craft it again?

[umbral rover]

I fixed my oil setup

[sick falcon]

im piping it in by train, so i dont rly have a choice

[hard ivy]

As long as it's not a 600/min pipe, it should work fine

[sick falcon]

it is

600 splitting into a 120 and 480

[real shale]

oh wow another small detail i hadnt realised, the resource well extractors actually causing your screen to slightly shake when they thud into the ground

[dense violet]

put a powered pump on either pipe from the junction if you get issues

[hard ivy]

Then I don't have any sound advice I could give. Transporting a 600/min pipe via train and splitting it into 2 manifolds are things that I'd never do separately, nevermind together

My only idea for the split would be to use a vertical junction to make sure the lower pipe can balance itself out without affecting the 600/min input coming from the top, but I have never tried it so idk if it's gonna work

[sick falcon]

its quite.... satisfactory

[real shale]

"Bad puns result in a lifetime ban" mods, get em!

[sick falcon]

if i pull 2 pipes from a liquid station, will they both take the same amount

[dense violet]

ish? you have to properly buffer train stations

[dense violet]

pick one #design-and-architecture message

a small buffer should manage 600 pm

[sick falcon]

are the two output ones for greater than 600 flow

[dense violet]

no, when trains dock, loading/unloading pauses for 27 seconds

this is to make up the down time

if you don't properly buffer train platforms on both ends you're very unlikely going to get your throughput

this is true for solids and liquids

don't move unpackaged gasses by train

they don't play well with buffers

heading to bed though, gl with it!

[sick falcon]

tyty

[coral granite]

how much does the game cost

[dense violet]

look up steam/epic in your region

or... use google

[sick falcon]

40$ on steam, 28$ rn

[sick falcon]

i assume i swap the side i put the pumps on if im making an output buffer instead of an input buffer

[leaden turret]

see also humblebundle

[dense violet]

just the direction, pump stays in the same spot

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message it wont struggle to get up here?

[dense violet]

theres headlift from the platform - but also you can just use the smaller buffer

[sick falcon]

i cant, im doing 750

i need 2 outputs and 2 inputs

[dense violet]

that's probably still fine. Both large and small buffers have 2 inputs

[compact flicker]

Do they? I thought there were just the 1 on each side

[lavish carbon]

hey guys: can i somehow tell the scrim production planner to use mk2 miners? i dont have acces to mk 3 yet

[leaden turret]

if nobody answers, might be best to ask on anthor's own discord (linked on the scim website itself)

[hot panther]

my curiosity got me a cyber truck

[fiery pewter]

Yes, there are 2 in total, both on opposite sides, but they can act as in- and outputs

[lavish carbon]

could you please link it? googling only brings me here and i do not see it immediatly on the start page :(

[leaden turret]

discord icon, top right corner

[cedar goblet]

i need help with tractors can any one help me

[compact flicker]

I feel like the context of the situation made it seem as though there were 4 openings on the buffers when "2 inputs, 2 outputs" was said

[compact flicker]

#1038092680493801533

[cedar goblet]

ok

[near pulsar]

How many coal power plants is enough for like mid game

[green fiber]

idk, varies?
I get by with 16 - 24 max until fuel power

others need 64+ for their builds

[tired cypress]

Turbofuel seems kinda nonviable with how scarce sulfur is

[green fiber]

its not that scarce, but yes turbofuel is a sulfur guzzler

[tired cypress]

When you start coming close to running out of power, build more

[green fiber]

the main thing with sulfur is that not many things even use it

[hard ivy]

Yeah, it's quite meh
It's easier to just do regular fuel then rocket fuel

[compact flicker]

Theres plenty sulfer nearby the blue crater

[flint valve]

Rn I only have about 4 been supplying me pretty well, working on turbo fuel now

[hard ivy]

16-64 I'd say
Depends how much you build

[tame bobcat]

automating phase 2 stuff to unlock phase 3 is gonna be the death of me

its not even that its like insanely hard i just wasted so much time building stuff 😭

[fiery pewter]

The low burn rate counters that

[mortal ginkgo]

problem is the next phase of it; rocket fuel is insane power

so there isn't much a point of mass producting turbofuel, as rocket fuel asks not for too much

[compact flicker]

Isn't compacted coal one of the byproducts and requirements for rocket fuel?

[mortal ginkgo]

game's weakest point: rocket fuel is too good + fisconium fuel rod asks for too much SAM etc

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, not only you can feed it back to turbo fuel, but also rocketfuel asks for so little turbo its not even funny

a bit funny, that would make you smile. but not chuckle, no

[compact flicker]

I take it not enough for a fully closed compacted coal loop tho?

[ivory condor]

yep rocket fuel is insanely good and FFRs is garbage tier power by comparison

[compact flicker]

Is it worse than ionized?

[hot panther]

can somehow reduce he sink cost cuz slowly its gettin real expensive

[ivory condor]

no ionized fuel is the worst thing ever for power

because those power shards it requires, make it non-viable for even net positive power

[mortal ginkgo]

not really needed

1200 rocketfuel / min asks only for 456 sulfur and coal.

this makes 72GW power.

This is ridiculous

[ivory condor]

ionized fuel is only good for, making limited amount for specific uses, but should never be mass produced, because its far to expensive and its burn time isnt that much better than rocket fuel, while requiring far to much in resources to make, mainly because of those power shards

between FFRs and ionized fuel, tier 9 has some really terrible power options

[mortal ginkgo]

ionized has two uses: sinking power shards + fuel for you.

its like fisconium fuel rod. Its not there to make amazing power, it got its own utility

[compact flicker]

I am rediculous

If I'm not making a TWH, I'm not doing it right.

[mortal ginkgo]

"NucLeAr is ChaLlaNge BruH"

Yeah I say putting 3458309203492 fuel gens is a challenge by itself.

These things look ugly too. I know what ugly is. I look at mirror everyday.

[ivory condor]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Uhzhx1K5bQfaqAUE74ej this is insane

[compact flicker]

Limestone is beutiful

[mortal ginkgo]

no u

[compact flicker]

[ivory condor]

2010 sulfur for 8400 , this is nuts

[mortal ginkgo]

brotherman why do you have Turbo Blend Fuel there? Are you nuts? Are you heck? Are you doggo?

[compact flicker]

So my 50 turbofuel refineries should be able to sustain a decent amount of rocker fuel tho?

[ivory condor]

but it keeps down my sulfur usage

[mortal ginkgo]

with right recipes you could get like 1800/min rocket fuel plus my mom

[compact flicker]

Right now my setup is 900/min oil -> 100 250% turbofuel generators

I use.. Too much sulfer and coal

[mortal ginkgo]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=WfFgN5hYV7jGBWe3ciwS

This mid to late game setup should make you use like only one sulfur + coal node

[ivory condor]

actually this is even more insane if i dont use turbo blend fuel, its 2268 oil for 8400 rocket fuel, this is beyond madness

[mortal ginkgo]

its just silly

[hard ivy]

And it completely removes coal

Turbo blend is a terrible idea to burn for power, but it's pretty good for making rocket fuel

[ivory condor]

its nuts thats for sure

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean devs are trying to force oil being valuable for Diamonds but by that point people dont care

to "transition softly" to Nuclear then people see it got a waste and go "nah bruh imma put 3945890345803948509348509345 more fuel gens, its better lol woe my life choices kekburbbq"

[compact flicker]

There is so much oil, idk what to do with it all

[mortal ginkgo]

kek, you dont know what diamonds cost

[ivory condor]

true, without the turbo blend fuel i would need 3192 coal instead

[compact flicker]

Coal :3

[mortal ginkgo]

joking aside, if you aint min maxing, there isn't anything that is "lacking".

everything is abundant

also what makes Fisconium Fuel Rod ultra expensive?

is it Ficsit Trigon?

[compact flicker]

How was Ficsonium obtained on earth when it needs SAM?

[ivory condor]

yep true indeed

[mortal ginkgo]

how about slooing Trigon making Constructors?

[ivory condor]

the FFR recipe requires so many trigons, its insane

[ivory condor]

yep thats the only thing you really can do is sloop the constructors

[compact flicker]

and the ones making packaged SAM too

[mortal ginkgo]

well, sloop SAM, sloop Trigons, sloop my mom, sloop Fisconium Fuel Rod 1 or 2 times for extra I guess?

[ivory condor]

with FFRs being so bad i would cheat in more sloops, so I can sloop all of the converters, constructors that handle SAM at all

if I was to use FFRs I would need to put in as many sloops I need just to try to make FFRs not utter garbage

[compact flicker]

I do wish spheres and sloops had a method for unlimited usage like power shards

Would it be op? Yeah

Would it be cool? Also yeah

[ivory condor]

idk with FFRs recipe being garbage tier to begin with, it actually isnt that op

[mortal ginkgo]

you can sloop all constructors that are making SAM things no? Like you can use max 34 anyway with all the SAM

[mortal ginkgo]

well FFR's purpose is not to give power, but be a meme. Its a nuclear power without waste so.

[sick falcon]

why is pure aluminum ingot so slow :(

[mortal ginkgo]

its 30/min, not that slow D:

you are at that stage, use them powershards brotherman

[sick falcon]

i have 1250 scrap a minute

[mortal ginkgo]

more smelters, cmon

[hard ivy]

Just build more smelters

[sharp pivot]

hi!! gen question, does this game have multiplayer (i did not do any prior research nor have i installed it yet)

[mortal ginkgo]

yup, experience varies for people tho'

[hard ivy]

Fun fact! When optimizing for max power without storing waste or sinking plutonium, SF Optimizer chooses to use most sloops to make Ficsonium cheaper, not to double it or one of the other 2 rods.

It's so expensive that it's such a bottleneck that the only way to get more power from it is to make it cheaper

[faint imp]

Is there public severs i can join since I'm like board???

@faint imp

[compact flicker]

Cross platform between consoles, no PC/console mingling tho.

[fluid sapphire]

short answer: yes

[robust nova]

Hey all!

I just got blenders and finished researching rocket fuel. The jump from turbo fuel to rocket fuel is quite significant, I wasnt quite expecting the increase

[fluid sapphire]

jump in terms of what?

power output? its a massive difference for sure

[robust nova]

Power production.

Im going to add 1 generator to each of my 8 lines, then still have extra to start packaging it.

Ill also be able to overclock all my generators. Once everything is up. Ill be jumping from 22 GW of power output to 65GW

Exciting stuff. My copper factory at the moment consumes 20GW of power

[strong fiber]

nice

I have 228 generators producing 143 GW currently

Fully overclocked

[compact flicker]

how much copper

[real shale]

Yes.

[robust nova]

Its producing 13k copper ingots/ minute and close to 8k caterium wire/minute

[compact flicker]

For what reason lmao

[strong fiber]

Why do u need that much caterium wire

[robust nova]

So I never need to worry about building copper or caterium again

[strong fiber]

What about when you get into nuclear pasta

you need lots of copper

[robust nova]

Good thing im cranking it our right now. I have entirely way more than I could ever need right now

[strong fiber]

just to make 2 nuclear pasta/min its 40 refineries assuming no overclock

[real shale]

Why do you not?

[robust nova]

Good rhing I have 343 refineries just making copper ingots

[fluid sapphire]

the high speed connector factory i am currently building uses 3600 quickwire heh

so its not unreasonable

[strong fiber]

does it only make high speed connecters bruh

[real shale]

No, it makes a LOT of different things

[strong fiber]

bruh

[fluid sapphire]

yes

#screenshots message

[strong fiber]

ion even wanna know what you need all those high speed connecters fore

cuz i only got 8/min

[fluid sapphire]

60 go here

#screenshots message

some goes towards elevator parts, the rest is just "whenever i need them"

[real shale]

The fact your high speed connector factory alone uses up all of the caterium I produce at the moment is nuts

[strong fiber]

i still need all those parts produced

[real shale]

Can't wait to get MK3 miners and Mk6 belts to eventually be able to pump out 7200 quickwire/min

[robust nova]

See im starting to think my copper factory was planned right

[fluid sapphire]

i just grab whats local, in the swamp, right now its the only thing i have planned for the swamp 🤷

[real shale]

Being able to get 7200 quickwire/min from just one pure copper and caterium node is boggling

[fluid sapphire]

its quite nice ya

i might... upgrade those belts and miners later, should be pretty easy, but i am not sure it will be necessary

[hard ivy]

Bad news: nuclear is capable of consuming way more quickwire than that

[crystal zodiac]

Is satisfactory on conscle yet? (I don't play yet

[robust nova]

I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Fortunately there are still plenty of untapped nodes. Only tapping 1 for my copp/cat factory, and i believe my final output is 7800/minute

[sudden flint]

yup

well, some at least

[robust nova]

Haven't quite hit nuclear yet. I have unlocked it. But still a few factories I want to build/upgrade before I focus on a nuclear factory. And at the moment, once I finish upgrading my turbo fuel to rocket fuel, I will have an additional 40GW of power to play with, so the need isn't there yet. I know I will, but not quite

[wise agate]

had to make a temp Renforced plate factory cause i dont think ill have enough for the main factory

[robust nova]

I finally got a couple of alts that is twisting my hand to upgrading my iron factory from scratch

[sudden flint]

I just realized that default rotors being produced at 4 per minute to RIP's 5 is a total non-issue. Just overflow the one extra from your smart plating line into the storage for RIPs

[zealous valley]

Is there a point in keeping any of the Ficsmas materials after the event is over?

[zealous urchin]

Santa is watching all year 🤫

[robust nova]

I had one machine making stars. Hopefully i have enough by now. I haven't checked in a couple days

[compact flicker]

Quite possibly

[neon roost]

Hi everyone ! Just one Little question : when the ficsmas Event will end ? I asking because I can’t play during 2 weeks and i would like to open all my cases from the calandar

[real shale]

i think it said 18th jan? iirc

[tame bobcat]

omds finally i built smart plating and automated wiring factory just gotta build versatile framework now 💔

[peak wasp]

where do you make red and blue ornaments?

[zealous urchin]

smelter

[peak wasp]

i was about say this dude trolling me? Xd thank you

[zealous urchin]

snow troll high road to hrothgar style

[tame bobcat]

is versatile framework hard to automate

[golden nexus]

no

[pulsar glade]

What is SAM

[abstract heron]

SAM ORE?

[pulsar glade]

Yeah

[tame bobcat]

purpel ore

purple

[pulsar glade]

Ik what is it I’ve explored a lot I feel like but haven’t found any

[tame bobcat]

theres only a few nodes on the map (iirc? could be wrong)

[pulsar glade]

Do they not spawn in like those little ore thingys that I have to mine by hand

[tame bobcat]

nah only in specific nodes

[pulsar glade]

Oh ok

[nocturne spoke]

Does anyone here have satisfactory?

[golden nexus]

where did you start?

[hard ivy]

No, everyone here is talking about satisfactory without having ever played it

[nocturne spoke]

Ok thanks for your help

[golden nexus]

nope, nobody

[zealous urchin]

satisfactory is like my teenage school crush, only dreaming about it while no chance irl

[real shale]

What even is satisfactory

[pulsar glade]

The green forest area

[nocturne spoke]

Satisfactory is hot, I have become an addicted stalker.

[nocturne spoke]

What I’m asking

[compact flicker]

Do you want the nearest one in plainspeak or should it be delivered like a sea of thieves quest objective (if at all)

[golden nexus]

Yuo mean the north forest?

[compact flicker]

I assume they mean the southeast forest/plains

[pulsar glade]

Grass fields

[golden nexus]

Looks below the giant arch

[pulsar glade]

Plus is SAM an end game thing or what

[golden nexus]

Nope, Its day 1 thing

[compact flicker]

Most of its use is endgame, but the early game use is top tier

[golden nexus]

Look in Mam after you find it

Recommend to unlock it

[pulsar glade]

Oh so the fact that I’m bout to finish phase 3 and still don’t have jt is bad