satisfactory

[hot panther]

also

[golden nexus]

This is a "starter" factory which does all items to Tier 9 #screenshots message

[eternal tinsel]

how does the coal power machine work?

[quaint ibex]

guys i was testing different nobelisks and used a nuke is the radiation going away after some time or its permenant?

[hot panther]

whats the most efficient way to collect the iron from 1 vein

[scenic mirage]

you put in coal and water and you get power

[hot panther]

cuz 1 vain only has like 3 -4 ores

[scenic mirage]

wdym its unlimited? throw a miner on it

[eternal tinsel]

do i need the water extractions?

[scenic mirage]

if you plan on putting water in it, it might be a good idea

[golden nexus]

3-4 ore? nodes come in impure, normal, pure which is mk1 miner speed of 30/60/120

[eternal tinsel]

would you be able to help me out??

[scenic mirage]

with what

[hot panther]

ye ik but 1 miner produces as much as 2 smelter so i can produce twice as much but is there another way to make it even more efficent

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
do you mean these?

[eternal tinsel]

with the coal power

[golden nexus]

Splitters? some nodes later game like a pure iron node makes 1200 or so

[hot panther]

no like iron ores

3 - 4 are alwys next to eachother

[scenic mirage]

as you progress youll unlock better conveyors and splitters/mergers

[golden nexus]

Yeah?

[hot panther]

and thats called a vein

[golden nexus]

no viens, just nodes

[hot panther]

that works too

[golden nexus]

thing about it being 3d, you can build factory on top of each other or in floors.....

[hot panther]

and if i have spliter and a lot of meckanism the rate of iron get slower how can i fix that

[scenic mirage]

can you send a pic in #screenshots

[hot panther]

ye ima go to my factory rq

[scenic mirage]

i mean what ab it? how am i supposed to help if you dont say what you need help with

[latent hull]

Hello! Does anyone know a satisfactory plugin for the stream deck?

[scenic mirage]

mods?

[golden nexus]

Going to assume your new and early game based on your questions, this is an example of an early game layout.... #screenshots message

[eternal tinsel]

to understand how to hook them up to my machines and how its all powered

[eternal tinsel]

thunderstore manager

[hot panther]

got the game 2 months ago

[scenic mirage]

you just connect the conveyor to the square hole and the pipe to the round hole?

[latent hull]

What mod?

[golden nexus]

ok.. this is an example of a late game smelter #screenshots message

[eternal tinsel]

thats the manager to get the mods on to the game search it online

[hot panther]

ima post a screenshot of a problem i have

[fluid sapphire]

late game? thats a manifold, by no means late game

[golden nexus]

Note hte length of the manifold....

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

mid-game type length

[scenic mirage]

lmfao what? late game doesnt mean you stop using manifolds lmfao

[golden nexus]

its only a 600/min

[golden nexus]

ok.. this is an example of a late game stator factory 😛 #screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

no idea how thats your takeaway from my comment? its not by any means what i was implying?

[hot panther]

look screen shoots rq

[fluid sapphire]

my point was the inverse, that manifolds are not a late game concept

[zealous urchin]

fight fight fight fight

[golden nexus]

its not the manifold thats "late game" its the overall length / processing speed. Its an example of what the person has to come from and to for scalability reasons

[scenic mirage]

my bad im hungover asf 😭

[fluid sapphire]

yeah and i am saying that it doesnt take late-game to get to that kind of scaling

[scenic mirage]

ah gotcha sorry lol

[fluid sapphire]

thats more like it

[golden nexus]

Well you do need the belts for that manifold speed/size

[hot panther]

yk a solution for this? #screenshots

[golden nexus]

don't know what yourt trying to make?

[scenic mirage]

can you show from above?

[hot panther]

sure

[fluid sapphire]

pretty confusing design

[scenic mirage]

also you can press left control while placing foundations to lock to the world grid

[golden nexus]

looks like trying to balance....

[scenic mirage]

so theyll all be the same direction

[hot panther]

look in #screenshots

[golden nexus]

need better general overview / goal

[hot panther]

its an smart plating factory with 2 stages

on top of each other

[golden nexus]

So you need to show the entire rotor and rplate factories....

[scenic mirage]

its great you're going vertical, but i really do suggest that you lock foundations to the world grid

[hot panther]

is there an free cam thing?

[scenic mirage]

and have everything on them, you can place miners on top of foundations too and itll mine the node underneath

press p and r

[golden nexus]

tower?

[fluid sapphire]

its a bit unclear as to what the flow is supposed to be

[golden nexus]

Same

[golden nexus]

Like you would be able to tell how this factory / layout works... which is a smart plate factory #screenshots message

[hot panther]

this is the best i can possibly show it

#screenshots

[fluid sapphire]

idk, that has an in and an out, but no indication of how it works really

[scenic mirage]

make a post in #1038092680493801533

[golden nexus]

1 Rplate Tower, 1 Rototr Tower, Assemblers are smart plate

[hot panther]

il figure it out

[golden nexus]

You can be better to split the rplate / rotor into seperate factories. Then combin the outputs to make smart plate.

[scenic mirage]

i feel like im having a stroke reading that 😭

[hot panther]

good point

[golden nexus]

So like take an iron node, make as much rplate as you can from that node, repeat the same for rotor and then build the smart plate factory between the two factories

[lime yacht]

Finally found Sam and got my uploads working 💪 makes life so much easier

Now gotta make my factories more efficient and better connected

[golden nexus]

Bit more detail on that setup... #screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

and make sure you're screwmaxing so people know how good you are at logistics

[hot panther]

ima delting my whole progress rn

and rebuilding and better version

basiclly and mk.2 thing but my world

[unkempt blade]

he's under the window spying on gandalf and mr frodo

[scenic mirage]

remember, keep all your foundations on the world grid

[hot panther]

too late

[latent hull]

ik but smm is better

[golden nexus]

screws are easy with cast screw, just build the screws where they are consumed and problems solved

[unkempt blade]

totally, cast screws is an amazing alt recipe

[golden nexus]

same for quickwire

[scenic mirage]

better fix it now, instead of later when you've expanded the factory

i didnt start building on the world grid until like mid of phase 3 or smth

had to tear it all down to get it to connect correctly

[unkempt blade]

world grid isn't super important unless you're going to connect all your factories with foundations ex: skyroads

[golden nexus]

Just dropping quickwire in 😛 #screenshots message

[scenic mirage]

fair ig but what hes doing gives me a headache, foundations in the same factory were all diff

[golden nexus]

Its ok if they are far apart, but in th elocal area they need to be on a consistant grid...

[unkempt blade]

if it's just the same factory or a couple factories right next to each other I'll zoop out a foundation to line them up when I build the second part

but if my factories are all the way across the world and I want to line up a skyroad (I'm a skyroad enjoyer) then global grid makes it a lot easier

[golden nexus]

world grid of course gives you a simple way to make it consistant on x/y but not z

[unkempt blade]

the other trick I like assuming you're already doing global grid to line up skyroads is you can turn on debug to see coordinates and make the height line up from both end correctly

[golden nexus]

i try to avoid sky ramps etc..

i try.. to stay close ot the ground.. mostly failing of course

[unkempt blade]

I have blueprints for them #screenshots message and then I'll build factories under them as "supports"

[golden nexus]

Exhibit A Enters the chat #screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

nice double train spiral!

[golden nexus]

Make it a box later

i find different build approaches works in different sections or areas of the game. There isn't a one rule fits all sort of deal

[unkempt blade]

you're right there are at least three rules that fit all situations

1. Use as many vehicle as possible
2. Use lots of colors everywhere
3. Pick recipes at random using a dice, coin, etc

[golden nexus]

Use good abstractions, Isolate problems, Make buildings (or floors, or groups) that do one thing well

[unkempt blade]

factory carts are what enable all 3 of your rules so they fit under number one

[hot panther]

what could i put here? #screenshots

[unkempt blade]

a factory cart skatepark that mass-produces screws around the edges

[golden nexus]

depends what you need?

[hot panther]

top right of the screenshot

[golden nexus]

seems you have some smart plate building, so you should focus on steel elsewhere?

[hot panther]

alr ima complete the milestone for steel rq

[hot mango]

i wish i could delete some things in the list in my dimesional depot

[unkempt blade]

plenty of places where coal would be closer to the iron if the goal is steel

[golden nexus]

This is why the sentance ends in "elsewhere" 😛

[unkempt blade]

yeah we're in agreement

[golden nexus]

Yeah its iron only stuff there and steel over by the other impure iron node cluster typically

[unkempt blade]

I'm just more assertive because I didn't phrase it as a question

[golden nexus]

but then its grass fields... so just throw it all into the middle and then leave the area 😛

See job done... #screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

oh wait I have another suggestion. A scale model of nakatomi plaza as seen in the classic holiday film Die Hard

[random ingot]

im gonna start a new save thats for the whole Christmas vacation and see how long in the game i get

[golden nexus]

I did T9 in 80 hours (not rushed) to give you something to aim for

i have always wondered what a reasonably play time would be for 4 people who are coordinated 🙂

[random ingot]

ive played my main save for 250 hours and i just got to tier 9

[random ingot]

imma try but itll prob go to like 100 hrs or sum

[unkempt blade]

with deconstructing crash sites and stuff like that now I'd think you could go really fast with some dedicated explorers

[random ingot]

where should i start

[golden nexus]

yeah that made it a lot simpler... also if you didn't notice in the above screenshots, oil was brought to grass fields rather than then plastic / rubber

[unkempt blade]

the speedrun meta already used a lot of the debris around sites and with tearing them down now you get tons of stuff to scale early-mid faster too

[golden nexus]

That turned out to be a great decision.... since you get train now before oil

The trick to a fast game is nailing rplate, rotor early and also being able to jump to solid steel ingot

what people don't realise about rotor/rplate if you underclock you can use the exact same machine layouts for both

[torn briar]

how will make a 4x1 balincer for me plz

[hard ivy]

Merge the first 2 belts, merge the last 2 belts, and then merge the 2 merged belts together

[lone island]

hi

is there any way to make the veins pure?

[golden nexus]

no need

and no

[lone island]

hmmm elaborate

[golden nexus]

You can use a powershard and double the speed of them

[distant bay]

The world is static, so if you find a pure node somewhere, it’ll be there in every save

[lone island]

i bought the game yesterday

[golden nexus]

So. A late game impure node will do 300/min. So if you hvae 2 its 600/min. Which is hte same as a normal node late game

[lone island]

hmmm i see

[golden nexus]

So while things may initially seem slow. they are not....

[lone island]

do you guys have any tips for begginers?

[distant bay]

Get the base building milestone ASAP

[golden nexus]

It dpeneds. The game is very complex, there isn't right answers only tradeoff mostly

[distant bay]

The foundations are SUPER useful for giving a NICE flat space

[golden nexus]

Get logestics ASAP....

[distant bay]

That too

[lone island]

ill send a screenshot of my factory at #screenshots

[distant bay]

Logistics, then Base Building

[golden nexus]

Assume everything is temporary until mid-game

[distant bay]

Also in early game, keep collecting leaves and wood for fuel (the obstacle clearing milestone in t2 will help with its unlocked tool, the chainsaw)

[lone island]

maybe i have 4000 solid biofuel stored already

[golden nexus]

So see early game concrete for example... if you have a normal node (60) and a impure node (30). and the machines want 45..... whats (60/2) + (30/2) = 45 + 45 ... this is also an example of node pureity...

[distant bay]

If you get obstacle clearing, convert all that biomass into solid biofuel to make your biomass burners even more efficient

[golden nexus]

chainsaw is a must as well

[lone island]

already have a bunch of solid biofuel

[golden nexus]

automate... first, unlock second

[lone island]

i have a mass production line for them

i already automatized all basic copper, concrete and iron recipes

[golden nexus]

get blade runners

[golden nexus]

but are they fully efficent?

[distant bay]

She’ll need to find quartz first

[lone island]

i hope they are xD

stayed up until 4 am working on that

[distant bay]

BTW the Satisfactory map doesn’t change, no matter the save, so there is an online map if you want to find things

[golden nexus]

What changes is peoples building style ends up completly different and as you progress though the game you use resources in the wrong places messing you up

[distant bay]

Yeah

[golden nexus]

the recipies also change

[distant bay]

But here’s a tip that is always useful, and that is the factory must grow!

[golden nexus]

well they are same, but you unlock them in different orders

[distant bay]

If the factory isn’t growing, you’re not being efficient

[distant bay]

You mean the alt recipes?

[golden nexus]

yup

[distant bay]

Oh yeah, get those alternative recipes, some (like cast screws) are STUPIDLY GOOD

[lime yacht]

Do you still 'need' the bio fuel later in the game when you unlock other types of fuel?

[distant bay]

For the chainsaw yes, otherwise no

[golden nexus]

Also turn it into liquid biofuel for jetpack. each fuel behaves differently in jetpack

[lime yacht]

Ok, and for any chainsaw related you can use explosives too I guess 🫠

[golden nexus]

Yup

[lime yacht]

Cool, I 'll destroy my biofuel/burner chain then and make place for other things

[distant bay]

Do you have coal power already?

[golden nexus]

Its normally easier to move/rebuild the liuqid one cause it needs water

[lime yacht]

Yes, and fuel power too

[distant bay]

Then remove the burners

[golden nexus]

like wait until you have done oil to move biofuel

[distant bay]

Also I would recommend getting either some power storages, or use priority switches to make sure power keeps flowing to the pumps/mines for the coal power, and the fuel refineries

[distant bay]

Oil is the hardest part of this game (and I guess factorio too)

[golden nexus]

Nope 🙂

[lime yacht]

Got oil and coal power both, oil was more of a challenge to get stable but am happy with it so far

[distant bay]

How do you guys deal with the heavy oil residue?

[lime yacht]

And got a load of batteries too

[golden nexus]

burn it?

[distant bay]

Wait what?

[golden nexus]

i actually make mk6 belts with it

[distant bay]

Oh yeah, petroleum coke

[distant bay]

HUH?

[golden nexus]

There is many options... depends on where you are

[distant bay]

When you’re just getting started on oil production

[golden nexus]

If you do a standard plastic/rubber you have 10xref each and you have like 7.5ref's for HOR -> Pet coke -> Sink this.... initially

[lime yacht]

Oh I did HOR->res. Fuel->powerrrr

[golden nexus]

Getting starts is 300/min crue -> plastic + 300/min crube -> rubber = 300/min HOR -> Pet Coke -> Sink (This unlocks most things for you after a while in the awesom sink)

Flipt he ref's that deal with HOR -> Fuel -> Fuel generators when done. Now you entire oil setup is self sustaining on its own power supply

You can also split some off to make packaged fuel etc...

Useful for trucks, jetpack etc.. (but biofuel better)

[distant bay]

Or turbo fuel

Turbo fuel is pretty good too

[golden nexus]

Yup. So when you come around to turbo fuel and hte like you do somethnig like Crude -> HOR -> Diluted -> Turbo -> Burn it

btw you can do really crazy things... like take this setup, you can abuse the pet coke to free up the coal node #screenshots message

[golden nexus]

Yup it is... #screenshots message

[scenic mirage]

im at 385 rn and i havent finished tier 9 yet

[hot panther]

i finally completed steel production

its so hard playing alone

[distant bay]

Congrats ||how do we tell him it’s not the hardest production line in the game ||

[hot panther]

the thing is i did the whole prossces by hand

[golden nexus]

The same way as we tell him he has only really just begun steel production.

[hot panther]

cuz i removed my factory

[hot panther]

ik its just playing alone is extremly slow

[golden nexus]

So.. steel production, you mean pipe, beam, renforced beam, heavy mod frame, fused frame, stator, rotor, motor?

[hot panther]

no basic

ima do advanced now

but with a factory this time

[distant bay]

Have you set up coal power yet?

[faint night]

Hey, anyone know what happens after Ficsmas is over? Do we lose all skins, recipes, items and trees related to Ficsmas?

[distant bay]

If you haven’t, do that

[hot panther]

yes but not connected with anything yet

[distant bay]

Get that hooked up

[hot panther]

wait really i was about to connet allat to a bio generator

[golden nexus]

Its like an xmas tree, It was fun getting it, putting it up, then afterward you hate doing the tidy up 😛

[faint night]

I don't think I understand what you mean

[hot panther]

i have space you could dream of but i have no idea what factory to build

[golden nexus]

not much happens iirc, you sink the items and delete the factory

[faint night]

Oh ok

[golden nexus]

its like the tree's stop working

[faint night]

So we keep the Candy Cane Basher and skins

[golden nexus]

space is something the game is not in short suppply of normally

[bleak chasm]

what is the best setup for making ACU if I have all recipies

[golden nexus]

not sure, i think it kills off/deelte any special items

[faint night]

Ah, cool

Makes sense

[hot panther]

i kinda built it close to moutains

[faint night]

I have 300+ hours in my main save and almost just completed Phase 3. And I've only just now started building vertically

[golden nexus]

It is the way....

[scenic mirage]

acu?

[faint night]

Working on my first Rocket Fuel Generator plant, and I need space for 16 refineries, 32 blenders, and 460 fully OC'd Fuel Generators

[soft marsh]

I’m almost 700 hours in and just now trying to figure out trains

[golden nexus]

Ref's dont go well vertical

[soft marsh]

?

[faint night]

Insane numbers, and I can't even fit more than 1 Fuel Gen into blueprints so I'm kinda screwed

[golden nexus]

refinery's don't stack vertical very well

[soft marsh]

Ah, replying to the wrong person then lol

[golden nexus]

ah yeah... discord does that sometimes

[hard ivy]

You can fit 4 in a mk2 BP

[faint night]

I can? Oh I forgot

Is there space enough left to connect them though?

[hard ivy]

Barely

But yes

[restive river]

Dang it.....I'm tempted to spend a day on this game again v.v

the ocd man it will kick ...my....ass

[faint night]

Wish I had Pluebrint Mk3 or more to build Fuel Gens vertically

Blueprint/pluebrint

[hot panther]

how are those blue helpers called in rick and morty again?

[golden nexus]

i have done big fuel plants in the past, now i would keep them smaller and move to nuclear

[faint night]

Mr. Meeseeks!

[hot panther]

cuz i just found the box in satefactory

[faint night]

I'm Mr. Meeseeks, look at me!

[hot panther]

i just found the spawn box of them

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-hayes-achievement-hunter-rooster-teeth-rick-and-morty-gif-19247354

[faint night]

No gif perms xD

[restive river]

nah but he can click it

[faint night]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-no-gif-perms-gif-27679658

[hot panther]

js did

[soft marsh]

That’s my plan. Fuel depot is staying the size it is and once I get trains figured out I’m starting at nuclear

[hot panther]

is it supposed to be that box or is it smt else

[golden nexus]

Trains are good, I suggest double track, pick a consistent side to drive on eg left / right.... the rest can be mixed eg back and forth or loops

[soft marsh]

Yeah I have a bunch of point to point tracks at ground level rn but converting them to double is too much of a pita. Building an elevated track that goes around the outside of the map and then I can build offshoots that go into the map

[golden nexus]

assume a train carries about 300/min per car

[hard ivy]

That's a completely nonsensical assumption XD

[faint night]

Is 400+ GW too much power for one man?

[golden nexus]

Yes. There is more precision than that...

[hard ivy]

throughput depends on like 5 different things

[soft marsh]

Mostly depends on belts, does it not?

[faint night]

Good to know

[golden nexus]

nope mostly RTT

[hard ivy]

Mostly depends on distance and stack size

[zealous urchin]

No! Im Mister Meeseeks look at ME!!!

[soft marsh]

Ah. I’ve always been of the mindset that it doesn’t matter how much you transport if your belts are only limited to x a minute.

[faint night]

No, I am Mr. Meeseeks, look at me! You are not Mr. Meeseeks!

[hard ivy]

But it also depends on belts, number of trains docking to the station, buffering, and stop settings

[soft marsh]

I have a few tracks that are too short so not a lot gets moved. Might get rid of them and just go to belts

[restive river]

my hand has a pesky itch right between my thumb and index but behind the knuckle space oh my god! scratch

[grizzled lotus]

so yesterday I was told most players don't make trains that carry more than one item. So a train just for copper sheets, a train just for circuit boards etc.

For those that do that, is there a point of making a railway circuit? Or do they just have one railway that goes back and forth with two locomotives

[soft marsh]

Or set the train to only move full loads

[hard ivy]

Yeah, that's the only way to get max throughput out of your trains

[oak ginkgo]

You can do this?

[golden nexus]

a train car carriers 32 stacks. So if the stack size is 100. You get 3200 items in a train. So at 300/min This takes 10 minutes to fill.You loose 32 seconds per fill and 32 per unload. So you loose about 1 minute. So 9 minutes/2 (both direction of travel) is about 4 minute travel time for the train. Which means 300/min with 100stack size = about 2 bioms worth of transport

So its not as nonsensical as @hard ivy thinks

[soft marsh]

I did the two locomotive thing for awhile. I usually do one item per car but I have a few trains that do multiple items

[soft marsh]

Yeah it’s in the train settings when you hit E on the depot if I remember right

[oak ginkgo]

I thought it was just load and unload.....damn

[golden nexus]

nope 🙂

[faint night]

Ain't nobody got time fo trains, I connect my world with BELTS

[golden nexus]

ITs about half the rate for fluid cars...

[oak ginkgo]

Ive Just been cramming as much shit into the trains and sorting them after. 3 items per unit

[thorn rover]

anyone down to play some satisfactory togther in a new world?

[restive river]

my issue was the fluid dynamics of the game I can't ever figure them out when I want to make something nice

[golden nexus]

goto #1201555265942724758

[golden nexus]

Belting crude oil is awkward 😛 #screenshots message

[grizzled lotus]

when building blueprints what's the difference between blueprint-connect and default-connect?

[faint night]

Oh no. I don't dare click that forward link

Disgraceful

[zealous urchin]

default connect automaticaly links pipes and belts
BP connect snaps placement in regard to other blueprints already placed

[grizzled lotus]

also, can anyone recommend a good channel or video for idea on railway designs that isn't too complicated or complex?

[faint night]

Who in their right mind would transport Crude Oil...

[golden nexus]

me apparently

[hard ivy]

That's assuming 10 min rtd and stack size 100.

1. none of my trains have even close to a 10 min rtd, and some go halfway across the map
2. not everything you transport stacks to 100

[golden nexus]

This is why i say "Its about 2 Bio's distance"

eg 4.5 minute radius and also allowing for additional delays / traffic....

[buoyant token]

Waiting for my train to arrive

[faint night]

Cool, where you heading off to?

[golden nexus]

You can of course also make the train wait until its empty, so it doesn't matter if its going "too fast" it only ever matters if its "going to slow"

[faint night]

Hopefully you taking the train in Europe and not the US

[zealous urchin]

where's europe's border tho

[buoyant token]

“HUB station train”
And he arrived

[scenic mirage]

europe is a continent

[golden nexus]

Worse. Its a tain in the UK 🙂

[faint night]

Right over there, it spans all the way this way and goes around and ends way over there

[golden nexus]

its multiple different things tbh

and it means different htings in different contexts

[buoyant token]

I was talking about my satisfactory train

[zealous urchin]

not anymore

[faint night]

What? Nah you ain't

Surely

[fierce temple]

Guys simple question, is any new weaponry planned for the next update?

[buoyant token]

Nuclear atomic bomb

[golden nexus]

Tower defense? :S

[scenic mirage]

huh

[golden nexus]

we have that already

[faint night]

Yes, bazookas and helicopters with machine guns

[fierce temple]

No like minigun and basic sentry

[golden nexus]

I guess nukes are not enough?

[faint night]

Think: Vietnam but the swamp area is 'nam

[golden nexus]

We are likly to see a new game mode

[zealous urchin]

storm helicopter is cool but id take a titanfal mech and portal gun

[fierce temple]

Minigun, so i can waste 400000 dollars worth of bullets in 12 seconds and sentry like we can deploy it like a hand held miner to kill off some animals while we build

It is kinda fitting lore + and fun

[soft marsh]

My big question rn is....roundabouts or intersections.... 🤔

[fierce temple]

Both, trust

[golden nexus]

itwill change over time ot meet requirments

[hard ivy]

A roundabout is the worst intersection throughput-wise

[soft marsh]

I mean, I will always need intersections, but I could go without roundabouts

I thought about building a freeway style system for trains, with off ramps and on raamps, but I hate the way elevated tracks look

not elevated, inclined tracks

I have yet to figure out a way to make a track going up or down look good

[golden nexus]

helix

[unkempt blade]

I usually just freestyle them like #screenshots message

[soft marsh]

Helix? Like a spiral?

[golden nexus]

Yup

[soft marsh]

looks like a clover in texas lol

[unkempt blade]

yeah I've tried to do a few variations of highway style interchanges (I played too much Skylines)

[golden nexus]

These look better than giant ramp which is half the bio for significant elevation changes #screenshots message

obviously you can then dress it up, put a factory beside it etc..

[soft marsh]

damn I feel like those spirals takeup hella space

not that we're hurting for it

but still

[golden nexus]

they about 9-11 foundations across

[jaunty sonnet]

Anybody has an idea of how to use smart mergers in a way where my belts dont get consistently stuck?

[golden nexus]

But the ramp... it would take up (there is 6 layers in that) so about 70 foundations long

[unkempt blade]

I think I normally use a 7x7 cross for supporting my spirals but I'd have to go actually find one and check to be sure

[jaunty sonnet]

Im trying to merge 8 furnaces with a decently high output, but normal mergers are too clubky with the way they merge, generating alot of stoppage, any idea if smart mergers are better?

[golden nexus]

if you have more inputs into the mergers than output somethnig is going to get stuck

what furance, what recipie?

[jaunty sonnet]

Smelter, 75 alum ingot

8 smelters for mk5 belt

[hard ivy]

The most likely issue is that the belt you're using is too slow. In that case, priority mergers won't do anything

[jaunty sonnet]

180 ipm margin

[hard ivy]

And if it's not the issue, regular mergers will do fine too

[jaunty sonnet]

Gotcha

[hard ivy]

Priority mergers can only help with merging if you're doing some sort of belt compressor. Multiple belts compressed to fewer, but still multiple belts

[jaunty sonnet]

Ive had it before where the one furnace is full while the rest areat 100% if the output is close to the belt limit

[jaunty sonnet]

Gotcha

Thanks!

[golden nexus]

things like mk5 belts don't seem to always do their max rate.

[hard ivy]

they do tho

since U8 at least

[golden nexus]

They don't. The end up with a slight offset and the error builds up over time

[scenic mirage]

wdym

[hard ivy]

all the issues I had with them were fixed when I updated my world from U6 to U8 and I haven't had any since

[golden nexus]

Its floating point... its for the same reason in computers if you sorts a list of numbers from high to small and from low to high and sum them you get two different answers

[scenic mirage]

nah idk i think thats just an issue w your cpu

[golden nexus]

nope, floating point numbers are an approximation and they often don't represent whole numbers very well so you get fracitonal error. So when you keep adding numbers you get the wrong answer... this is very well understood in computer science / programmers

[soft marsh]

First prototype of my offramp #screenshots message

[scenic mirage]

lol what no youre just bad at math

[fluid sapphire]

what are you getting at? that its something that happens when you're at the limit of a belt, but somehow magically doesnt happen when you\re not?

[scenic mirage]

any decent programmer can add

[golden nexus]

You just told all MIT scientist they are bad at math lmao

[hard ivy]

this has been an issue in U6 with all belts and in 1.0 with mk6. both of those issues have already been fixed

[scenic mirage]

pretty sure you have to know how to add to get into mit?

[golden nexus]

Go read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating-point_arithmetic

[scenic mirage]

mf using wikipedia as a source 😭 didnt your teachers ever say not to do that

[fluid sapphire]

you are assuming you know how its implemented in the game

[scenic mirage]

anyone can edit it and put whatever they want on there

[golden nexus]

Its floating point

[fluid sapphire]

ok, so it happens when near a belt limit, but doesnt happen otherwise?

whats the difference, numbers are numbers

[hard ivy]

and how do you know the game even uses FP to handle anything belt related 😆
it could be all ints or custom data structures

[golden nexus]

It does. Its just not noticed

Mostly because you don't have a miner full of ore for example

[golden nexus]

They have previously stated this lmao

Here you go.. before you guys dig yourselves into a hole more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95-N_VVnGXg

IEEE754 is well understood 😉

[fluid sapphire]

i think its fairly well known that whenever you\re dealing with ratios that aren\t perfect you get some level of error, but even then, the error is so small it\s insignificant to gameplay

like an error of 1 item per month of runtime or whatever, when dealing with systems that handle hundreds of materials per minute

[golden nexus]

Yup, But over time its enough to cause a belt to lockup / backlog because the upstream can process faster than the downstream.

[golden nexus]

You will find its way faster than that especially if your calculating per second or faster

[fluid sapphire]

if it really was a big deal, i would have noticed it on my flat power usage graph

[silent heron]

Why isn't fuel powered generator consumption listed anywhere in the game

[fluid sapphire]

anywhere where there are hundreds of machines and thousands of resources moving every minute, i dont get a single hickup

[hard ivy]

it is?

[silent heron]

Were

The machine itself doesn't even say it

[hard ivy]

if we're talking about fuel consumption, it's inside the gen

[silent heron]

It just tells me the power output

[golden nexus]

Very simple example of finite maths. Is 1 / 3 (splitter). Gets you 0.333333 reoccuring. You join them you get 0.999999 you never get back to 1. So if you do a calculation like this at 25 times per seconds. The error soon builds up. This is of course a laymans eplanation, Floating point has more complex problems where the combination of the exponent and mantissa can't actually represent certain numbers.

[hard ivy]

a fuel gen doesn't consume any power

[silent heron]

Misspelled

Or more of miss typed XD

[hard ivy]

that's not how splitters work 😆

[golden nexus]

thats not a describtion of how splitters work 😉

[hard ivy]

hover over the fuel icon in the corner of the fuel slot

[silent heron]

Ahhh thank you :D

[fluid sapphire]

obviously if a system contains a lot of repeating decimals, you get more errors

solution> avoid repeating decimals where possible

[golden nexus]

yes, which all do because its a finite maths model. But floating point tends to be worse than that cause it doesn't just happen on reoccuring decimals

It occurs when you mul/div numbers which have a different expoent

[hard ivy]

repeating decimals are an issue in clock speed, not in belt rates

[fluid sapphire]

its true, but i am not the one arguing here that whatever level of error the calculations have, that its significant enough to gameplay to matter almost at all

if it was, you would see power usage fluctuations in large scale systems

the practical difference between 120.000001 and 119.9999999 you will not notice

[hot panther]

what can you do with presents?

[golden nexus]

I am not really arguing with you, I am repeating how the IEEE floating point standard says how it works. So when your argue back, your actually arguing against the entire international computer science industry consensus.... which i don't think you realize thats actually what your doing....

[scenic mirage]

top tier rage bate 😭 💀

[golden nexus]

This is why i said, Pease read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating-point_arithmetic i has these examples in it....

[fluid sapphire]

well, i dont understand what you are really arguing here, you said that over time errors cause belts to lock up, which i can guarantee you, you will never see happen in game

[hot panther]

whats the purpose of presents

[hard ivy]

MAM research

[hot panther]

good point havent tried that yet

[scenic mirage]

presents are what you give to ppl to make them happy

[hot panther]

in satesfactory

[scenic mirage]

the reality is theres prob some slight difference in clock %s and input/output balance

[fluid sapphire]

yes, maybe there will be one cycle in a few million that a machine starves in one resource, is that really significant?

[golden nexus]

We see it in the game all the time..... like if you take a mk3 miners and hook them up to a sink and drive the belt at full speed. You will end up getting a stack in the smelter... "some of the time". We have known this about the game for a long time, it doesn't make the game unplayable because it runs to the 99.9% of whats needed to make the game work, but it does tend to bother people because they have a backlog on a machine and don't know why and thats because the belts don't do what they state.

[fluid sapphire]

if someone is bothered by something like that i dont know how they manage to play the game at all

if you look, you will find lots of things that are on the same level that can drive you crazy, if you let them

[golden nexus]

Right. But i was just stating that it exists, we can prove it exist, we know it exist, we know the game uses floating point and we know you get accumulating errors. This is all i stated.

[sour ledge]

#screenshots message

^Like, I know if i kill it ada will complain and tell me i'm a bad person... but at this point it'd be a mercy, surely?

[scenic mirage]

do you have an example of it even happening

[hot panther]

how do i use/open presents

[hard ivy]

MAM research

[golden nexus]

This was provided to you already #satisfactory message

[hot panther]

where exacly

[fluid sapphire]

ok, on my end, its just that all of this has very little to do with the specific statement about mk5 belts

[scenic mirage]

i typically use my hands and just tear the paper open

[hard ivy]

ficsmas tab

[hot panther]

and where is that

[scenic mirage]

i meant of it happening to you with conveyors

[hard ivy]

in the MAM

[golden nexus]

So if tyou won't take my word on it, at least respect the community manager for being honest with you

[hot panther]

and where is thatz in the mam

[dim flint]

wow left control+right shift + scroll wheel is nearly impossible to do.

[hard ivy]

same as every other tab in the MAM

[hot panther]

i need a crismass tree branch to continue

[scenic mirage]

this guy just started

its in your hub

[hot panther]

now im confused

[hard ivy]

the MAM is not in the HUB

[hot mango]

i got 50 snowballs in my advent calander today

[hot panther]

yeah i noticed but how do i open presents

[hard ivy]

you don't. they're a crafting ingredient

[hot panther]

well from where do i get an tree branch

cuz i need it for research

[hard ivy]

it's made from presents in a constructor

[soft marsh]

im about to give up on these off ramps and just go back to intersections lol cant get them to look how I want

[scenic mirage]

the thing you need to unlock the tree is in the hub

[hot panther]

it couldnt be a bit simpler couldnt it

[peak wasp]

is biomas solid fuel better than biomas at burning?

[eager pilot]

Is there any good designing tools except the garbage satisfactory websites?

[hard ivy]

solid biofuel is a bit better than biomass

[soft marsh]

Yes, your chainsaw will also use it

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[peak wasp]

alr ill use it then to burn thanks

[eager pilot]

That site is awful

[hard ivy]

it's the best one lmao

and basically nobody complains

[eager pilot]

I disagree. My question still remains

[hard ivy]

I'm afraid it's a skill issue on your side lol

because tools is perfectly capable of calculating everything

and it optimizes for lowest resource usage too

[eager pilot]

Attacking me instead of helping is toxic.

[fluid sapphire]

whats your problem with tools?

[scenic mirage]

i mean i dont like it either

check out satisfactory modeler on steam

[golden nexus]

Just use the recipie information directly.

[hard ivy]

how am I supposed to help you when you haven't said what your issue is

and the general consensus is that out of automatic calculators, that one is the best

[eager pilot]

Im looking for a mapping tool to design factories.

[hard ivy]

so your only other option would be manual calculators

[golden nexus]

Yeah, Its too dynamics to have do a complete design. Tool are not good enough, cloest thing that would come to simulation of a design tool would be circuit board design tools.

[sour ledge]

gotta love that moment when you overbuild your modular factories so much that they're near enough to eachother you realize you can just... belt stuff over pretty trivially, and accidentally made a megafactory...

[gleaming dragon]

in that regard your only option is to use something for the ratios and then plan out the factory by blocking

[hard ivy]

the best tool for planning out layouts is the game itself

[eager pilot]

That’s not a bad idea

[golden nexus]

eg Cirtcuit board design tools follow multiple layers, no overlapping belts(wire in the case of a circuit board). and you have ot get things like power, information channels to every compeonts (machines)

[mystic otter]

I just realized phase five stuff or at least the first tech matter conversion deals with SAM.

I might just have to bring that SAM stuff down to my city base lol.

[golden nexus]

There is patterns in the game which the tools / software out there simply doesn't understand for the game of course

Its like AI trying to write code, its come with with awful solutions

[eager pilot]

Fair but I’ll still look into it. Maybe Visio would be a good tool

[golden nexus]

More like KiCAD

[eager pilot]

Never used that. I’ll look into it thanks

[mystic otter]

Or worse comes to worse do what I did - giant ass concrete tunnels in my city to hide the majority of conveyor spaghetti, and don't give a crap about spaghetti outside your city IE in the wilds, or go multi-story in blueprint designer jam packing everything in to automate stuff.

[golden nexus]

It won't be able t ocome up with things like this... #screenshots message

[cinder jay]

Whats the use of sulfuric acid

[golden nexus]

nuclear mostly

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch sulfuric acid

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=sulfuric+acid

[mystic otter]

And making batteries for drones

[eager pilot]

That’s fine. Just trying to be more organized. I can’t stand the spaghetti setups

[golden nexus]

Yeah its about grouping things...

[mystic otter]

That's why i did tunnels around the edges of my city to hide the conveyor spaghetti

The only conveyors I see are on top of the framework foundations with glass flooring housing all my oil, aluminum, and fuel processing equipment for realism because who'd want all that smoke and pollution from all that cluttering up a building 😂

[golden nexus]

You gotta think of of the box.. like this is steel, pipe, beam, enforce beam, rotor, stator, motor, mod frame (steeled), hmf in a single building eahc on on its own floor and the "spagetti" is hung #screenshots message

[cinder jay]

How important is it? Im tryna figure out how much i should make

[golden nexus]

you make what you need

[ivory condor]

Indeed, of any tool greenys calculator imo is the best, by comparison the scim calculator is horrible

[cinder jay]

Isn’t nuclear give you power

[golden nexus]

Yeah but nuclear is a big mess of stuff like steel beam, concrete, stator, electronic rods, crystal oss, acid etc.. etc...

[cinder jay]

Oh interesting

[mystic otter]

It can but rocket fuel is a hell of a lot simpler to provide power needs because with nuclear you pretty much gotta pipe, conveyor, train, or drone in nearly every resource in the game just to power the nuclear reactors, more so if you want clean nuclear without waste.

[cinder jay]

Oh so I should use rocket fuel for power?

[hard ivy]

don't make it in advance then

[cinder jay]

I just unlocked sulfuric acid

[mystic otter]

It's an option for sure with how much rocket fuel I'm making I could technically power 72 or more fuel burners

[golden nexus]

Yeah its not a case of just make it, its used for late game items

[hard ivy]

either that or nuclear. or both

[cinder jay]

Oh ok

[golden nexus]

Like this https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Encased_Uranium_Cell

If you look at the 2 reipcies you don'tknow which you will do until you do them. So it may be wanted as sulhur or may be wanted as acid...

[cinder jay]

So wait on doing sulfuric acid

[golden nexus]

Yup

[hard ivy]

you should wait on doing everything until you have a use for it

[fluid sapphire]

or if you want laughably easy power

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=BKdvrP8mN0sYPLbQzMrk

[bronze heart]

#screenshots message guys whats going on 😭

[azure garnet]

chat does anyone have any idea how i could go about flattening the map poster i got out of the big box
its got creases from the packaging

[hard ivy]

Switch from vulkan to DX11/12 I think?

[bronze heart]

ah that would be it

[fluid sapphire]

put heavy books or board games on it

[azure garnet]

thank you so much

ive got the perfect spot for it

[bronze heart]

is the big box worth it you think?

[mystic otter]

@bronze heart that screenshot you posted looks like some LSD acid trip lol

[bronze heart]

lol i have more

[ivory condor]

Is this your gpu dying?

[bronze heart]

its steam screenshot on satisfactory only lol

[mystic otter]

GPU drank too much sulfuric acid lol

[ivory condor]

so basically gpu on acid

[mystic otter]

👍

[ivory condor]

somebody forgot to tell that gpu doing to much drugs isnt good for health

[bronze heart]

#screenshots message this is the og picture

i took a normal one with snip and sketch and took a steam ss at the same place

[ivory condor]

really so its the steam ss specifically that goes all acid trip how interesting

[bronze heart]

yea

[ivory condor]

so the game looks normal when you play and only that way when steam ss?

[bronze heart]

yeah lol

[ivory condor]

dang and here i thought you were enjoying Satisfactory: Acid Trip Edition

[real shale]

god, imagine that, you close your eyes and you still see the factory

[fluid sapphire]

so whats different than normal about that

[primal obsidian]

should i have a train for every resource im transporting?

i have to transport 5 resources to one station so should i have 5 trains going to that station?

[hard ivy]

I would have 5 stations

[primal obsidian]

uh

im kinda low on space

[fluid sapphire]

1 product per train, 1 source 1 offload station each, train only leaves when empty/full, most efficent setup

[primal obsidian]

im just wondering if i onbly have 1 station is it better to do 5 trains

[hard ivy]

unless it's for packaged fluids, then 2 load and unload stations

[mystic otter]

I just unlocked the convertor building finally something more to do with SAM.

Might just have to bring SAM direct to my city home to process it now lol.

[primal obsidian]

or 1 long train

[hard ivy]

mixing items on belts is not a good idea

[primal obsidian]

i mea 1 station with 5 freight platforms

[gleaming dragon]

1 long train is the best way to go

[hard ivy]

then what? a train with 5 locomotives and one wagon at the end?

[fast ruin]

I'm setting up a train back and forth between 3 base. First of all it's bigger than i though, secondly do i need to set something up beside stations? cause my freight isn't filling up or loading the train

[primal obsidian]

ok so and the station has 5 freight platforms to unload all the cars

[rocky scarab]

You need to tell the *platforms what to do, they all default to load

[real shale]

Need to set the freight platforms to load instead of unload

[primal obsidian]

or like 5 trains that have a bunch of locomotives

[fast ruin]

it is set on load but isn't filling up the storage

[primal obsidian]

uhh yeah basically

[last tartan]

If I say, "accidentally" blew up an entire forest, would it regrow if I don't build on/in it?

[primal obsidian]

and one with 4

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message

[native frost]

Nah

[mystic otter]

Yeah because with five freight cars you're gonna need more locomotives just to pull all that weight otherwise that train will be slow

[last tartan]

😔

[rocky scarab]

Is at least one of the stations hooked up to your main power grid?

[fast ruin]

all 3 are

[primal obsidian]

ok i guess ill do a long train with 2 locomotives and 5 freight cars

[last tartan]

I've been using a single locomotive 3 freight car train

It's not the best but it works

[native frost]

Im sorry borther

[last tartan]

I have them intricately laid out station by station

[rocky scarab]

Then I’m kinda baffed, double check all the conveyor connections?

[versed cosmos]

i think train speed only starts to suffer at 1 locomotive to 4 freight cars?

[last tartan]

I dunno, this guy has held up just fine though.

[hard ivy]

it suffers as soon as you add the first wagon

the question is how much

[versed cosmos]

fair enough

[hard ivy]

1:4 can safely climb 2 m ramps

1:5 might have issues

and 1:6 won't

[primal obsidian]

i should have 2 locomotives right since this track is mostly uphill and im using 5 freight cars

[last tartan]

It's just the shrimple concept of more weight to pull

more weight, more power less speed. I also have really hilly tracks

today feels like a good day to explore the eastern front of the map on foot

still haven't done that yet

[fast ruin]

do the freigh port need to be powered up as well?

[hard ivy]

platforms get power from the station they're attached to

[meager kiln]

My cousin has a ps5 and a steam deck, which Versuon should I have him buy ?

[fast ruin]

#screenshots message

[meager kiln]

I play steam fwiw but not sure we'd play together either way

[fast ruin]

I have a station and the train is on it

but freight not loading

also for some reason i can only got backward

[primal obsidian]

wow this thing goes really fast on downhills

177 km/h

[hard ivy]

steam deck is a PC internally so you'd be able to play together if they buy it on the steam deck, but not if they buy on PS5
or at least I'm pretty sure the steam deck counts as PC for crossplay since it does use steam

[primal obsidian]

wow im already running into issues with this train its too long and blocking traffic

[versed cosmos]

is it longer than your blocks?

could be occupying more than one block

[primal obsidian]

yes

[hard ivy]

that's not an issue tho

[primal obsidian]

and when it pulls into a station it blocks the main line aswell

do i just need to add a bunch of empty platforms

[hard ivy]

ah, yeah, your stations need to be long enough to contain the entire train

[primal obsidian]

ok

[versed cosmos]

yeah it needs more space so the main line is free

[primal obsidian]

easy enough fix since i only made 3 stations so far

no 2

[versed cosmos]

could also add another train to the line instead of making the existing one longer

[last tartan]

Thinking of getting pipeline MK2, but I'm not sure what it needs to be crafted and if it's worthwhile.

[versed cosmos]

plastic and copper sheets i think

[hard ivy]

it's copper sheets and plastic

[versed cosmos]

definitely worth it for maximising oil

[last tartan]

okay so it's affordable

[hard ivy]

every buildable is affordable if you just automate its ingredients properly

[versed cosmos]

a pure oil node overclocked 250% gives 600 oil

[last tartan]

I just need those stupid heavy frames

to get them

[versed cosmos]

encased frames alt

[primal obsidian]

ugh this is so annoying its near in intersection so i have to move the whole station instead of adding more platforms there

[last tartan]

I don't think I even have them unlocked as a recipe yet thoufgh

I don't

[versed cosmos]

can you add an extra train to the line instead of making the existing one longer?

[primal obsidian]

uhh wont i need an extra station then aswell

[versed cosmos]

no

as long as the trains can path around each other

[primal obsidian]

well i already made it longer so im gonna keep doing this

[hard ivy]

and they have the same contents

[versed cosmos]

alr

oh yeah ofc

[last tartan]

motor shortage 😫

[versed cosmos]

no motor factory?

[primal obsidian]

oh yeah im already doing that since i needed 700/min but i can only get 600/min from one pure node

[clever sandal]

will everything holiday related dissapear after the event ends?

[versed cosmos]

i think ur decorations stay

[clever sandal]

but gifts

[hard ivy]

no, but the gift trees stop producing presents

[clever sandal]

:c

[dry vessel]

only me who hates the presents falling from the sky this year? i swear they were so much different and better last year

ive not been bothered to do it this year since with console being released, theres not really any changes from last year

[reef basin]

you can always disable them

[rapid scroll]

is ther crossplay?

[hard ivy]

yes, between consoles, and between PCs, but not between console and PC

[real shale]

only between xbox and ps iirc? i remember them saying pc/console crossplay wouldn't be easy to implement due to differences in performance

[fast ruin]

wait can i have a train going in both direction through the same station/freigh station?

[golden nexus]

this is quite normal, even pc to pc can have major issues

[golden nexus]

yes

[hard ivy]

go straight through? yes. stop at? no

[shrewd hatch]

why is my character a woman

[golden nexus]

but put a station at each end of the platform so its a -> (b <-> c) -> d and the time table does a -> b -> d -> c ->

[hard ivy]

everyone's character is a woman

[shrewd hatch]

I want to have a muscular man as my character

[fast ruin]

it keep saying next stop cannot be accessed

[shrewd hatch]

it fits the basebuilding type

[golden nexus]

#satisfactory message

[hard ivy]

go ask the modding discord then

[near pulsar]

Does the game haave cross platform play

[shrewd hatch]

no it should be added to the base game

[hard ivy]

#satisfactory message

[reef basin]

why so?

[golden nexus]

add it to the dev suggestions on their website

[near pulsar]

Yeah

[shrewd hatch]

okay

[fast ruin]

still doesn't work. It doesn't want to reach stations and load/unload there

[golden nexus]

you have a loco at each end as well?

[hard ivy]

stations can only be entered from the back

[golden nexus]

Yup, Which is why the middle platofrm needs 2 stations one at each end

So you go a -> c -> d -> b

Platofmr directions are <a - <bc> - d>

[fast ruin]

#screenshots message

[golden nexus]

wrong way around

[fast ruin]

so if i understand i need a second loco at the back and 2 station all the time?

[golden nexus]

no

[fast ruin]

one to enter and one to leave?

[shrewd hatch]

I made the most based post ever

[golden nexus]

A KY siad. stations can only be entered from the back

[fast ruin]

so how do i do when i reach an end and i want to go backward?

[reef basin]

given you don't really do any actual "building"... 🤷

[shrewd hatch]

I built a whole factory with my gun

[real shale]

pew pew

[shrewd hatch]

yes with my gun that makes holograms come to life

or the fact that im carrying tons of materials in my pockets

is it possible to get banned from satisfactory

[sullen gull]

Firstly, it's "pocket dimensions" soooo, no real strength needed with Ficsit Technology! 😏

[sullen gull]

The game, probably not. This server, very much so.

[surreal meteor]

WHY DO MY VEHICLES NOT WORK I'm trying to use factory carts to deliver resources between factories, and I recorded two paths, one for each item I'm trying to deliver. The carts are supposed to stop at different truck stations, but they always stop at both stations.

[shrewd hatch]

add fuel to them

guys why are the truck and tractors not electric?

you got the technology to make "pocket dimensions" but no electric cars

[real shale]

because that goes against the games narrative

[golden nexus]

cause their nuclear instead 😛

[real shale]

same reason we don't have green energy in general

[hard ivy]

we do have nuclear tho

[surreal meteor]

GUYS

[shrewd hatch]

how about the green energy needs maintenance

[surreal meteor]

THE PROBLEM IS NOT ADDING FUEL

[real shale]

nuclear isnt green, nor is it sustainable, you still have a finite resource pool just very large of one

[sullen gull]

Also discussed on a stream ...

[hot mango]

are you still up, ive been to bed, got up and had some dinner 😺

[sullen gull]

Why are you yelling?

[sullen gull]

Lol, literally just woke up 🤣

[golden nexus]

in thery nuclear is fully recyclable its just not currently worth doing

[real shale]

BECAUSE YELLING HELPS GET THE POINT ACROSS

[surreal meteor]

I've been trying to fix this problem for a couple days alreadyt

[hot mango]

oh ok, that makes sense, i did wonder 😁

[real shale]

Unfortunately "in theory" isnt in the engineering vocabulary

[sullen gull]

Post a thread in #1038092680493801533 , with screen shots of the station window and shots of the route.

[shrewd hatch]

why is nuclear energy not being used in real world

[golden nexus]

I know.... it also need fusion to work which of course is just another 40 years away

[gleaming dragon]

it is

[shrewd hatch]

yea but theyre demolishing them

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I think I reached a fail point around 8 something this morning 😏 .

[real shale]

i know the answer to that

Because nuclear takes 20 years to turn a profit from initial construction

[shrewd hatch]

they need to find a way to make clean energy

[golden nexus]

well it has issues...

[hot mango]

yup we all need sleep eventually 😁

[golden nexus]

complex issues....

[shrewd hatch]

they should solve those issues

[sullen gull]

Many countries (Namely china and ,,, maybe still us, France, etc) are working on fusion.

[shrewd hatch]

it is clean energy tho

[real shale]

Conventional methods and even clean energy methods have a shorter profit turnaround period

[golden nexus]

they are not that simple

[real shale]

its not, its still got waste

[shrewd hatch]

so its all for profit

why do I not have access to the suggestions channel on this server

[hot mango]

classic life, its always all about the money...

[golden nexus]

Nuclear currently is extremely dirty.... its just he pile of dirt is quite small which is why we do it.

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @sullen gull

[real shale]

clean energy by definition is one that doesnt produce a hazardous byproduct as a result of generation, a common misconception is that nuclear is clean, its not, and as someone said earlier, in theory it could be, but its not anyway

[sullen gull]

@shrewd hatch there

[hard ivy]

and it's a pile of dirt and not a bunch of toxins vented straight into the atmosphere

[versed cosmos]

nuclear still a lot better than fossil fuels!

[golden nexus]

Well... Most of the time... 🙂

[fast ruin]

ok ty for the people that explained to me, i might have finally understood

[shrewd hatch]

yea but why not on the discord server? there is a suggestions channel here

[real shale]

it is, which is why it can be endorsed, just in terms of the semantics it isnt clean energy :P

[hard ivy]

there isn't

[golden nexus]

tends to be classes as renewable

[gleaming dragon]

by any means nuclear power is not clean but its cleaner than coal power and wont produce CO2

[shrewd hatch]

Yes there is, its right over social-media and under multiplayer-troubleshooting

there is even a reddit-posts channel

[golden nexus]

Yeah, Its initally cleaner until it goes horribly horribly wrong

[real shale]

Which is another misconception that gets thrown around sadly, its not renewable its just.... it lasts so long

[shrewd hatch]

theres even a feedback channel

[versed cosmos]

practically renewable not actually renewable

[sullen gull]

pics or lies! 😏

[golden nexus]

Yeah its classed as renewabble because there is enough fuel to make the "can we renew this" to be irrelevent

[shrewd hatch]

dms?

[real shale]

exactly

[sullen gull]

or in #screenshots

[shrewd hatch]

check screenshots

its in the middle ish

[golden nexus]

I think every major country thats involved in nuclear has had a serious accident of some type

[gleaming dragon]

i mean the only reason it goes wrong is bad architecture, like the one nuclear plant im sure all of us know.

[real shale]

but sadly me being an electrical engineer i have been fed the semantics and my brain has been forcibly hardwired to those semantics. I live to consume.

[shrewd hatch]

yo theres even a bday celebration channel lol

[real shale]

There has only been 2 incidents that could be classed as serious

[golden nexus]

Which one? All country in it have had abad accident

[uncut pier]

My friends and I are in phase 4, and we are having an issue with just constant crashing. We can't even play right now because whenever we try to load in we just crash 🙁

Any ideas?

[golden nexus]

3 Mile island? Japan? Chernoble? Windscale/Selifield ?

[sullen gull]

No idea. Or even how you found the locked menu. 🤷‍♂️

[versed cosmos]

france uses tons of nuclear. wheres the french nuclear disaster?

[real shale]

Japan caused an entire terraformation effort to be required
Chernobyl ENGULFED the entire of europe in radioactive fallout

[golden nexus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Laurent_Nuclear_Power_Plant#:~:text=On 17 October 1969%2C 50,nuclear power accident in France.

[real shale]

Windscale and 3 mile island don't compare on nearly as big of a scale

[golden nexus]

Its still considered a serious accident. Its just chernoble was off the charts in terms of serious...

[versed cosmos]

Yeah chernoble throws off all other nuclear accidents because it was so bad

they seem "minor" in comparison

[golden nexus]

Yup, But as you can see in the lnik france had an incident early on in terms of "Servere"

its ad a few of htem

[unborn nova]

anyone know off their head how much the golden nut is in points roughly?

ive kinda searched around but i havent seen anything

[real shale]

Nuclear has been studied to be a lot safer than people think it to be, its just that people clutch on to past incidents way too hard. The biggest pitfall in an accident is bad management.

Hell, Nuclear has its own safety requirements as part of standards when it comes to equipment acquisiton, which are stricter than any other generation

[hard ivy]

that entirely depends how many tickets you printed before

[hot mango]

look in the shop in game..

[golden nexus]

depends on the unlock order

[unborn nova]

if i were to put everything into it, like my first 1k tickets

[real shale]

I shall

[versed cosmos]

i'm not sure if this is true but i heard a while ago that coal plants can't be repurposed into nuclear because they're too radioactive lmao

[unborn nova]

coupons*

[fast ruin]

nuclear is like planes. Very few accident cause very safe, but when there is an accident everyone talk about it and it's hell

[golden nexus]

No, Its just coal works differently complety....

[real shale]

There's an IEC standard somewhere that dictates equipment safety and nuclear has its own tier, i could pull it up but you know how finding a specific standard goes

[versed cosmos]

oh yeah

[real shale]

i know theres a chart for it

[golden nexus]

You are form NI you said?

[real shale]

yeah

[golden nexus]

I have been in Kilroot 😛

[real shale]

I've been in all of the major power stations

i win :P

[golden nexus]

Yup

[near pulsar]

Just got coal power today

[golden nexus]

Welcoime to the industrual revolution, now go forth and ruin the plant

[near pulsar]

Have been playing for 8 hrs total

[ivory condor]

I heard the oppose that coal plants can be repurposed into nuclear plants, the DOE did a study into this and found it was viable for some sites

[near pulsar]

🤔

[real shale]

The same issue of profit occurs though with that, it's still a 20 year profit turnover, and uh... money talks unfortunately

[ivory condor]

www.energy.gov/ne/articles/8-things-know-about-converting-coal-plants-nuclear-power

[near pulsar]

6 in the morning for me

[hard ivy]

about 9.22 billion (9.22e+9)

[golden nexus]

Nuclear just different. Just like the game you require a wild amount of external industry to support the plant. Its hte same as nuclear submarines you need to a full nuclear industry to support them

[golden nexus]

Is this the same peole who did the costings of Hinkley Point C?

[ivory condor]

No idea, but a according to the study hundreds of coal plants can be repurposed into nuclear

[golden nexus]

What you iwll find is they are talking about a non traditional WBR and more something like a sealed pebble bed thorium reactor or something.. which is being research rapidly by many countries

[shrewd hatch]

when will the dupe glitch be patched?

[ivory condor]

hmmm idk the articles dont mention anything like thorium, so unsure

[golden nexus]

Yup, I mentioned Natrium reactor, Which is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-cooled_fast_reactor

[ivory condor]

granted they could be using nuclear reactor to cover all concepts involving nuclear including thorium for sure or another type of nuclear reactor that would work with repurposed coal plants

[golden nexus]

Bear in mind it want to produce like 300-500MW most of the ones in Europe make 1,700MW

It would be a small modular design. The idea being you set it up, drop the rods in and then take the whole thing off to the dump when your done

[ivory condor]

taking radioactive waste to a dump doesn't sound safe

[golden nexus]

mayby some deconstrucitons / recyclingin a protected evniroment etc...

[golden nexus]

where do you expect it to go?

this benig the small pile of dirt we were talking about earlier

[versed cosmos]

nuclear waste recycling maybe?

[golden nexus]

you know.. the one that glows in the dark

[versed cosmos]

and i dont think we just throw nuclear waste in a dump but store it deep underground

[ivory condor]

idk ship it to hanford or something?

[golden nexus]

finland more likly

[dim flint]

Anyone know why the awesome sink might be tripping a breaker when powered by just a single Bio gen, the generator should be producing 75MW, and it says it only needs 30MW.

[golden nexus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repository

[golden nexus]

its draws more than a single bio makes

[dim flint]

Oh I'm dumb

[golden nexus]

yes 🙂

[dim flint]

always my damn hoverpack.

No it doesn't like I said. It generated 75.

[versed cosmos]

hoverpack is the source of all grid problems lol

[dim flint]

Yes

[golden nexus]

oh sink only uses 30MW now

and burner makes 30mw

[versed cosmos]

wait did sinks used to take more?

[golden nexus]

i think it used to trip a burner a long time ago

you can see if anything else touches it... it goes

[hard vale]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1452376735759732766

Please help me guys

[dry vessel]

anyone got any recomendations for uh hub locations, got my central storage bps made now i just need to place em, only place ive found i quite like is the big waterfall near the plains but i dunno if that would be a good spot

[dim flint]

Depends if you want the hub to be connected to your factory or not. I have mine near my prospective Space Elevator location. But everything is coming in by train or drone, so it's more about making it accessible to that.

[dry vessel]

this playthrough im planning on just getting some roads up and using tractors to transport materials to the central storage

[reef basin]

personally I think that central storage is outclassed by dimensional depot

[dry vessel]

welll i have both on the blueprint cuz why not

2 stories

also idk i just like having it

[reef basin]

depots don't need to be centralised 🤷

[shrewd hatch]

Im on tier 6 and got 384 coupons

[reef basin]

but sure, you do you, go for it if you like it 🙂

[dry vessel]

thats right buttt they are gonna be

lemme show u

acutally icba getting the materials back out....

if you check screenshots and scroll up a lil bit youll find it

[shrewd hatch]

guys are somersloops useful

[last tartan]

I’ve been holding it off too long

it’s time

To build something

Satisfactory

[shrewd hatch]

guys can I use somersloops for constructors

I am gonna use it on EVERY single machine I have ever built

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/go-do-it-yes-no-go-for-it-gif-17183104

[reef basin]

and run out of them after 50 machines

[shrewd hatch]

shhh

I got my ways

I just need 1 somersloop

[sullen gull]

Hax

[shrewd hatch]

built in game mechanic

[last tartan]

life without embed is a sad life

I think we should get freedom to have embed and files in this channel

[sullen gull]

Nah, works just fine 🙂

[real shale]

Consume.

[shrewd hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1408247978036166786/1437522904106533045/brain-in-ass.gif

[hard ivy]

How to play the game without actually playing the game:

[shrewd hatch]

can I overclock and use somersloops at the same time

[real shale]

yes

[shrewd hatch]

so you want to overcomplicate everything

Oh great

[reef basin]

well, the non-embed above is a great example why they were disabled in the first place

this channel was spammed with reaction gifs and random screenshots from the game, making it unreadable and unusable

[hard ivy]

it's called "playing the game as intended"

[shrewd hatch]

I always carry 100 power shards with me

tier 6 btw

this is my 4th time replaying this game

not my fault if its an ingame mechanic

they know about this

guys can I place the golden nut statue?

[white dawn]

Yeah, put it in a hand slot

[last tartan]

such a shame that a small majority of people ruined it for the rest of us

[shrewd hatch]

great

wait we were allowed to send GIFs?

like just ban the people

[reef basin]

it was actually large majority

[shrewd hatch]

did they get banned

[reef basin]

for what?

[shrewd hatch]

for sending bad stuff

[reef basin]

it wasn't bad though?

[golden nexus]

its not the content, it was the volume

[unborn nova]

wowza ty

[shrewd hatch]

ohh

[golden nexus]

I think? there is something like 246,000 peolpe in this discord?

[unkempt blade]

Need to produce more! Line must go up!

[golden nexus]

So when you post a link you DDOS the links webserver.....

[unkempt blade]

more traffic! must click!

[last tartan]

should I use grip metal or the classic FICSIT foundation 🤔

concrete is getting old

[unkempt blade]

asphalt with lots of logos and stuff

[last tartan]

for a factory floor?

[unkempt blade]

yeah it'll give it style

[shrewd hatch]

Use coated concrete

The concrete that looks shiny

Asphalt for road

[last tartan]

aw man

spending more tickets

[unkempt blade]

now we have 2 opinions so you're going to have to checkerboard asphalt with patters + plain old shiny concrete

you might want to BP it to save yourself some time

[shy mulch]

Not necessarily, there's a few opportunities for it to be cached. First opportunity is any gif hosting site will likely be behind something like cloudflare, and there's also a high likelihood that discord itself pulls the file and presents it directly for preview, so the source only gets hit if someone clicks it

[golden nexus]

i know...

[unkempt blade]

more clicks! discord will protect us maybe!

[shy mulch]

Apologies if I missed some context. I just opened discord and that was the first message I saw

[grizzled lotus]

realizing now that making a full railway circuit each time makes things much easier in the long run. you can build a railway just long enough for it to connect to one of the already existing and voila; you're kind of done

[hot mango]

hey tinker, hows the new prject going?

[golden nexus]

can always fix it later

[unkempt blade]

It's going well thanks for asking. Lots of factory carts have been used

[sullen gull]

Trying to figure out if/how I want to add a truck station or two to this..... #screenshots message

[rich meadow]

It took me soo long to learn how to build good in this game... the pieces are so huge compared to like minecraft. Modular blueprints and building large scale cracked the code

[sullen gull]

How dare you not scroll back to see the last two days worth of conversation! ... pfffsshh

[unkempt blade]

This game needs more redstone nodes though. There's not nearly enough for my power grid to use

[hot mango]

its looking good 😺

[hot mango]

redstone? 🤷

[sullen gull]

I think it's like the most "powerful" ore in the game 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt blade]

it's minecraft's "electricity" equivalent more or less

[hot mango]

oh i didnt play that so i didnt get the fererence

[rich meadow]

Agreed more circuitry stuff would be awesome!

[hot mango]

lol my spelling hahaha

[rich meadow]

I think its still possible but I want it to be easier to enable and disable certain power grids

[hot mango]

im so broken..

[unkempt blade]

well use a nutritional inhaler and get back to automating!

[golden nexus]

you want a contorl room don't you?

[hot mango]

i need more than that to fix me 😸 i dont think an inhaler will cut it

[golden nexus]

Sensors on belts reporting numbers and switches to turn things on and off

I owuld be interested in a new game mode, something along the lines of constant delivery

[last tartan]

asphalt doesn't look too bad

I got factory zone lines but I don't have any more points for more of such

[shrewd hatch]

guys what happens when 2 tractors fall off the edge of the map

okay theyre just stuck in the air now

[reef basin]

they will fall into void (if not automatic)

[shrewd hatch]

I dont think theyre falling bud