satisfactory

[reef basin]

no

[cunning glade]

Wait yes cuz valves?

[silk ocean]

I prefer one global network xD

[cunning glade]

They only show one flow way

Does it just ignore that sometimes?

[reef basin]

only from one end of valve to another. Any pipe section still can (and will) have backflow

[cunning glade]

Cuz if so good too know for future use of valves

[feral jay]

The valve only flows one way, but there's no way to stop the pipe on either side from doing wacky stuff

[cunning glade]

Or more so the lack of future use

[reef basin]

use of valves is literally "never use them"

[feral jay]

Well there is, it's just a matter of engineering it all properly

[cunning glade]

I see

[feral jay]

Valves are generally of very limited use

[cunning glade]

Okay yeah I won't be using them anymore lol

[feral jay]

And they usually cause more problems than they solve

[sullen gull]

Yes, You can 'direct' the "flow" with pumps. Still, fluids should always be in a loop.

[feral jay]

You can direct it yes, but pumps also don't stop sloshing or backflow

[cunning glade]

I low key hope they never change fluids I like them

[feral jay]

Honestly I do hope they simplify them, they're a major source of consternation for new players

[sullen gull]

"sloshing" is only due to pipes not being full. Either way, pumps and valves both prevent "back flow". And valves are only 'bad' when actually trying to use them to "restrict" flow and expect the value set

[feral jay]

I jsut don't know what would be better cuz I also like that they're semi realistic

[cunning glade]

See but also super simple too figure out imo and once u do they ain't too bad

I think it's a nice learning curve

[feral jay]

What I really don't like about pipes is the lack of any visual feedback; you can't actually see what's happening inside them

You have to deduce it

[sullen gull]

You can open a window on any pipe segment.

And, the standard mk1/2 pipes have flow visuals when the pipe is long enough.

[reef basin]

the thing about valves is:

• they rarely have the effect the player wants
• they often cause issues when used in common ways
• they do not really give any benefit that wouldn't be possible to reach with other (and practically better) ways

I'm very much aware that very small percentage of players have very small percentage of setups, where they claim that valve has fixed the issues they were having (and in a few cases it was possibly true), but it's so situational that my advice in general is just "do not use valves". New players will (hopefully) follow that advice and once you're experienced enough, you're free to come back to valves and experiment with them.

But most of the "valves fixed my issues" claims I see around are actually "while I was adding valves, the setup filled itself (or I accidentally rebuilt and fixed a wrong connection), which made the setup work (full pipes = happy pipes), but I'm incorrectly attributing that to valves"

(I don't want to write this thing every time someone asks about valves, but it's basically what I mean behind "don't use valves")

[feral jay]

Yeah bu that's really not good enough, that just shows you what the pipe is doing right there, it doesn't give you any indication of any backflow/sloshing that's happening in a segment, or if it's bouncing off the end of a pipe, or if you're feeding it from two sides, it's difficult to see

The pipe ribs do help a bit though

[strong fiber]

Full pipes does not = happy pipes in my case

[feral jay]

All's I'm saying is I think they can be improved and I don't have any good ideas lol

[sullen gull]

Again, this "sloshing" is only happening when A: trying to run on a single 'deadheaded' manifold. Fluids should always be in a loop and all pipes should be full.

[feral jay]

Yes, and that is not intuitive at all

[sullen gull]

And B: in many cases where buffers are not plumbed properly or headlift issues.

[feral jay]

I know full well how to avoid the issue, my point is that it's difficult to figure it out and it's a very steep learning curve

[reef basin]

if your pipes do not work when full, you have some issues in your setup

[feral jay]

But, true, once you get it, you get it

[sullen gull]

I mean, no fluid system that has multiple sources ever runs off of a single straight line 🤷‍♂️ .

[feral jay]

And if they do simplify them I hope they leave the current system as "expert mode" or whatever

Because I do like them

[silk ocean]

Why do I waste Singularity Cells on these portals, I never use them xD

[sullen gull]

Also, the early game coal gen, when you need to figure out how you can get 360 water to 8 gens, should be 'intuiutive' enough to show this, but with all the 'jazz' that surrounds pipes (worse than screws) It makes it VERY convoluted for someone seeking help.

[compact flicker]

I think 80% of pipe issues could be solved if "prevents backflow" was added to the pump description

[reef basin]

that would be a lie

[feral jay]

Nah

[reef basin]

pumps do not prevent backflow

[feral jay]

But, one way pipes could do iy

[sullen gull]

The Plumbing manual does a great job at trying to 'rectify' this, But I believe it also makes things seems WAY more complicated than they are

[silk ocean]

Just hook it up bro, live the dogepipelife

[reef basin]

plumbing manual is more like "list of possible things you can do with pipes" rather than "please read this to learn pipes"

[feral jay]

That manual covers a LOT of edge cases, too

[sullen gull]

Umm, yes, they do ...

[compact flicker]

Had me questioning myself for a sec lol

[feral jay]

I still refer to it when I need a VIP

[reef basin]

no
pumps prevent fluid from end of pump to go to beginning of the pump

they do not prevent backflow in pipes at all

[compact flicker]

Thats.. What it is, no?

[reef basin]

you can have backflow on both ends of pump/valve

[silk ocean]

Pipes work best if kept as simple as possible, match production and consumption, no complicated setups xD

[sullen gull]

fluid does not travel through a pump in the opposite direction.

[feral jay]

No, they do not. The fluid mechanics in this game for all intents and purposes make valves and pumps ineffective for stopping backflow in a lot of cases

[sullen gull]

And, this :you can have 'backflow' on either side is not saying pipes do not prevent backflow.

[feral jay]

At the exact spot the valve is, yes, it will stop backflow. But when a pipe segment is considered as a whole, they are ineffective for that purpose

[reef basin]

yeah, specific fluid instances do not travel back

but the connected pipes can still have fluid flow backwards
which means that unless your whole system is all pumps and no pipes (which is impossible), you will have backflow

[feral jay]

This mechanic is covered somewhere in McGalleon's manual

[reef basin]

see the thing in manual https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752543820909903922/1450706610401054750/image.png?ex=69438350&is=694231d0&hm=6019b8d67b65a4d53c5d27069f45e7ed4df44a0bc55d98d08bf409cf4465d7c5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[feral jay]

That little section answered a lot of questions for me

[undone citrus]

I discovered trains have horns

I shall be the loudest

[feral jay]

Trains should toot back when you honk at them

[reef basin]

also see the image I've shared 😉

[feral jay]

Yes that page @reef basin

That is why valves/pumps do not stop backflow

[robust nova]

Hey Striek

[compact flicker]

What channel?

[undone citrus]

Earlier someone said phase 3 makes this game a train simulator game

[feral jay]

Hey that's my name!

[undone citrus]

And thats how I'ma play it

[reef basin]

10 messages above

[reef basin]

^ here

[undone citrus]

Currently uprooting my entire home base setting up stations and relocating. I'm excited

[reef basin]

well, it can, but you're not required to do so 😉

[gentle lion]

I finished phase 3 only 1 train and it doesn't do anything but drop.off coal.for no reason

[reef basin]

heavily recommend to keep old factories alive rather than dismantling them

[undone citrus]

They will be

That's the point of the trains.

[silk ocean]

My policy is to retrofit with alt recipes

[robust nova]

thanks again for your help yesterday with my power plant issue, got all my pipelines fixed (had to add one on each line), I now have a solid 32k MW power available

[undone citrus]

Keep the factories, set them up to load onto trains and relocate home/storage base

[feral jay]

ohhh I didn't recognize ya, sorry

No problem

[reef basin]

eh, unless I have a very good reason to rebuild it, building new things is practically always better

[silk ocean]

If resources available

[reef basin]

fyi, the proper unit is "GW", not "kMW"

[compact flicker]

I see

So are valves just useless then? xd

[undone citrus]

But it's fun

[feral jay]

ABout the only reason I only delete and rebuild is "This is a pretty spot and I like it here but I want something better"

[reef basin]

yeah, they are. See also my description in the wall of text message above #satisfactory message

[undone citrus]

I delete and rebuild when I realize my shits ass. Which as my brain develops happens a lot

[feral jay]

They're a very niche use case, unintuitive, difficult to understand unless you're a literal fluid dynamicist, and generally cause more problems than they solve

[reef basin]

yeah, but if you instead just build new and keep old, you have more production for less effort 😉

[undone citrus]

But those nodes will need to be optimized for the future so I just optimize them when necessary

[silk ocean]

If you can drop in refineries instead of smelters and double output, and all you have to do is plumb in water, retrofitting makes sense imo

[undone citrus]

Especially since id rather use an area with abundant resources and some foundations rather than finding a new area

I started in the northern forest with that 4 pure iron area

So I wanna repurpose it

[reef basin]

that's a misconception, you don't really need to "optimise nodes"

worst case you can just put a splitter after miner and use excess material to do something

but generally there's so much resources all over the map that you won't really run out and it doesn't matter if your miner isn't running at 100%.

[silk ocean]

There's not all that much oil

[reef basin]

well the game kinda wants you to expand and build all over the map 🙂

[feral jay]

The game effectively has infinite resources. Unless you TRY to consume everything on the map... you won't.

[undone citrus]

Eventually

[reef basin]

well, with oil you immediately unlock the extractor that can cap the node 😉

[undone citrus]

But my home factory ugly AF lol

[reef basin]

ugly factory still makes items, better than no factory

[feral jay]

That, on the other hand, is a good reason; it's your factory and if you think it's ugly, then destroy it and be happy

[unkempt blade]

build it some happy little trees out of orange beams

[silk ocean]

And live the no-oil life? xD

[cunning glade]

Unless u have clean pipes they do also just check the segment of pipe for its flow rate

[gentle lion]

I have found enough aluminum sheets to unlock and then build a hover pack

Woohoo

[feral jay]

Yup that's how I rushed mine this save

[undone citrus]

I have enough stuff saved up to easily disconnect it for a few hours

Would probably take me 10 at most

[feral jay]

You can also buy aluminum sheets in the awesome shop

[reef basin]

the point is that you have two ways to go about it:

• dismantle the old factory (spend time doing so) and build a new factory (spend time doing so) -> result - spend more time, have one factory (new one)
• keep old factory (no time wasted) and build a new factory (spend time doing so) -> result - spend less time, have two factories (old one and new one)

😉

[zealous urchin]

i wonder what maxing on no oil life means

[undone citrus]

I like the first option simply cause box town has to go

[silk ocean]

Hellish xD

[reef basin]

again, your choice, just not recommending it (it's also a common source of burnout), but you do you

[undone citrus]

There's a reason my world is so small after 120 hours

Im used to it by this point lol

[zealous urchin]

it seems u can skip plastic entirely

[silk ocean]

I think so... didn't happen with me XD

[reef basin]

doubt so

[zealous urchin]

i mean not from the get go

[reef basin]

how would you build manus or pipes or trains?

[zealous urchin]

okay building materials

but for part automtion

not realy needed

[silk ocean]

Skip plastic they said... It would be fun they said... xD
#screenshots message

[reef basin]

but why skip it? 🤔

[silk ocean]

I didn't xD

[unkempt blade]

to protect the doggos from microplastics

[zealous urchin]

just curiosity

[silk ocean]

Doggos should just stop using the shampoo with microbeads in it

[zealous urchin]

but think about it, shouldnt it help with brain plasticity? its in the name

[silk ocean]

Plastics usually don't have much plasticity

Unless you heat them up I guess

[feral jay]

1.2 million ficsmas gifts

I need more

[silk ocean]

Can they be fed into the sink

[feral jay]

Indeed

Free sink points

But I just stockpile them

[silk ocean]

I should enable FICSMAS on the server

[feral jay]

The snowballs are the only truly useful thing out of the event

[silk ocean]

But I made an announcement to all Doggos that Christmas is cancelled

[gentle lion]

I keep forgetting this

[feral jay]

This save I've already automated snowballs, but not nobelisk yet, so I'm using them as my standard boom-boom tool now

[leaden turret]

that and the fun of telling people the snow biome got added and the results when they find it

[feral jay]

Is that new this year?

[leaden turret]

nope, was added previously.

people seem to not notice it for some reason...

[feral jay]

Yeah I thought so

[broken quarry]

how long can I get away without a full modular frame factory?

[silk ocean]

3.5 minutes

[broken quarry]

so I NEED a dedicated factory what are these used for anyways

[silk ocean]

Which ones? Heavy Modular?

[broken quarry]

regular ones?

Ive just been doing milestones with then

[silk ocean]

Stuff

[reef basin]

personally I'd automate anything you need for building and possible anything you'd need for progression

[feral jay]

It's an automation game after all, so why not automate everything?

[silk ocean]

Versatile Framework, and you need them for Heavy Modular Frames

[broken quarry]

I want to get into steel but I guess I gotta get into modular right now

Im only making about 18/m give or take

[unkempt blade]

it's just more rewarding to make stuff by hand

[feral jay]

You're fired. With extreme prejudice.

[silk ocean]

Is this in the same vein as it's more rewarding to use Factory Carts to get around xD

Even if you need back surgery after a typical 100m drive

[broken quarry]

my factory cart started smoking so I left it at my coal plant

[unkempt blade]

No the carts are for efficiency which is its own reward. They're faster than my blade runners

[silk ocean]

I should build a drag race area

[wicked nacelle]

Ru Paul’s track section?

[silk ocean]

Not that kind of drag xD

[bitter shuttle]

ive discovered that my crude oil station is NOT it

#screenshots message for whatever reason it just is not filling fast enough at all and my train is always waiting for the 2nd from the left fluid station to fill up

[silk ocean]

That looks overly complicated, you don't need any of those pumps

[bitter shuttle]

i mean i feel like i do, the headlift from the extractors isn't enough to reach my station

and i just copied what it had on the satisfactory wiki

[silk ocean]

1 pump is all that's required per pipe at the bottom of the vertical lift, all the rest can be removed on that foundation area

[broken quarry]

wait I need coal back at my base for steel??

[silk ocean]

If you want to double up the freight terminals, have 8 tanks instead and just in-out

[feral jay]

A single pump will add its headlift to every connected pipe segment until the next pump

Or rather, reset it to whatever lift it provides, in your case 50m

[silk ocean]

You need coal from somewhere

[reef basin]

this is way simpler #design-and-architecture message 🙂

[bitter shuttle]

i don't mind complexity so long as it works and for some reason what i've got now doesn't work reliably

[feral jay]

The problem with not-simple is it works until it doesn't and then it's very difficult to figure out why not

[silk ocean]

You're just wasting power with all those superfluous pumps xD

They're literally doing nothing other than burning electricity

[broken quarry]

I lost track of time https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1450719232013893705/image.png?ex=69438f11&is=69423d91&hm=5d26c1f3198f941d7f31aa091e074700f7179b0a2c3a562ecb878cfefab56bd0&

[median rain]

I just got into phase 4 and I don't understand why people are having so much trouble with aluminum

[silk ocean]

Only 10? xD Casual 😄

Does it notify beyond 10 or does it just give up

[median rain]

I think it does cuz I remember a picture of someone getting 14 hours or something like that

[broken quarry]

kinda wish the messsages got more schizo as the hours went on

[silk ocean]

Not sure if I'd want a bottle of FICSIT Water.... it's probably either polluted or laced with stimulants xD

Specially formulated to "get back to work"

[undone citrus]

So any idea why my train doesn't want to go to the next station

Wait actually there's one thing I should check

[silk ocean]

No route or signalling issues

[broken quarry]

ooooh I just my first smoopersloop

[silk ocean]

Station correct way around?

[undone citrus]

Yeahhhh that what I went to check 😭😭

[broken quarry]

oooh I got a parachute

[median rain]

If only you could artificially make them😔

[silk ocean]

Could edit them in if feeling cheaty

[median rain]

NAHHHHH

[silk ocean]

Save them ultimately for the hardest to make items methinks

[feral jay]

There was a glitch for a while where you could duplicate them under specific conditions

[median rain]

I might put passive creatures and keep inventory on, but CHEATING ITEMS IN is where I cross the line

[median rain]

Yeah I saw that

[wicked nacelle]

Draw the line or cross the line?

[median rain]

It was before 1.1

[broken quarry]

what do I do with these? I just threw them in the mam

[median rain]

Draw the line mb

[broken quarry]

for a starter steel factory is 3 foundaries enough>

[reef basin]

you can basically flip a coin to get the answer

since that varies a lot based on your playstyle

[broken quarry]

oof

[feral jay]

Well, not really, because I do more than 3 foundations, and if you're not playing my way, you're playing the wrong way

[reef basin]

except they asked about foundries 😛

[broken quarry]

foundries not foundations lol

[reef basin]

*foundries 🙂

[broken quarry]

guess I just gotta go for it

[silk ocean]

*advanced smelteries

[livid meteor]

Hi all i watched i youtube video that had a power mod with some neat power poles but for the life of me i cant identify what mod pack contains them even tho they list the mods, i was wondering if someone might know its the video, Satisfactory: Advanced Power Grids Guide

about the 1:25 mark

[sullen gull]

#welcome message

[silk ocean]

Took car for run because I hardly drive it and can confirm it's bloomin' freezin' out there

[whole drum]

Mk2 Smelters

[zealous urchin]

and its time for that shopping in the morning too

🥶

[silk ocean]

Almost... it's only 0619

Enough time for a bit more of Greeny's favourite base related activity..... RETROFIT

[zealous urchin]

also a valve proponent

[silk ocean]

I try to avoid them

[broken quarry]

whats the water extractor to coal gen ration?

[silk ocean]

3 to 8 gens I think

[broken quarry]

I have 4:9 and barely getting water ughhh geuss I gotta fix my pipes again

[silk ocean]

8*45=360/min == 3 Water Extractor @100% clockspeed

[magic rune]

is there a "show in-game fps" option? i installed some graphics tweaks but my framerate kinda broke, and i need to see actual numbers for what effect changing a setting has on my fps

[silk ocean]

If you have Steam you can enable FPS in there

[magic rune]

...you know, i... kinda forgot that's a thing steam overlay natively provides

[silk ocean]

In-Game -> Performance monitor, drop-down to position it

[magic rune]

...eeeugh, 35fps average, so i wasn't going crazy

[silk ocean]

'lil on the low side xD

Lower teh settings I guess

[magic rune]

...oh. the graphics mod enabled lumen when it wasn't active before. that... would explain it. back to solid 60 again ^_^

[silk ocean]

Don't think you need that now xD

[magic rune]

(also doesn't help that i'm on linux, with an nvidia card... not the best of combos)

[silk ocean]

Situation has improved compared to how it used to be

[broken quarry]

sadge I only get 60fps cause vsync

[silk ocean]

Don't need more than 60 if that's the screen refresh

[broken quarry]

I like knowing my fps is higher /s

[silk ocean]

You like rendering frames you can't see? xD

[broken quarry]

duhhhh

[magic rune]

that's what i've never understood about source games (default fps_max of 300 all the way back to an era where average hardware was lucky enough to get 60 at HL2's launch), or claims in competitive shooters that "rendering more frames than the display is capable of reduces input lag" (which is complete nonsense assuming the game was properly designed to have game logic (and thus input polling) decoupled from render rate)

[silk ocean]

Yes there doesn't seem to be much logic to that claim but maybe in some games it does help

[broken quarry]

well in some games fps matches timings like in GTA if you have higher fps numbers locally rendered stuff like flags move really fast

[magic rune]

see, that's an example of a game not being designed properly (see also: lego island's infamous lack of deltaTime leading to hyperspeed movement on modern hardware)

[hollow onyx]

i just got the freaking ending sequence spoiled bruhhhh

[fiery pewter]

How

[hollow onyx]

i was watching some random video talking about the game and out of nowhere it just showed it no warning or anything

[fiery pewter]

Dang

That sucks

[silk ocean]

There's an ending sequence? XD

[hollow onyx]

i just mean like the last space elavator thing

[silk ocean]

Some console ports historically have been fps-tied/locked

[magic rune]

can kinda relate, i watched all of NerdCubed Completes Outer Wilds (thinking i'd never get to play it since it was described all along as a Permanent Epic Exclusive), only for less than a month later mobius was like "we managed to renegotiate it to being TImed Exclusive and it's coming to steam tomorrow lololol"

[undone citrus]

Im having fun with this train

[magic rune]

iliketrains.gif

[reef basin]

why use something that gives no value? 🤔

[ivory condor]

How can something that is useless give value in the first place🙃

[silk ocean]

Sigh... the good old nvidia crash where all the screens go black and the fans ramp to 100%

Satis seems to trigger that occasionally

[zealous urchin]

haha triggered lmao

[silk ocean]

Only game I've seen it happen in, something borked somewhere XD

[zealous urchin]

must have been the valves

or base refiting

[silk ocean]

Punishment for refitting the base

[compact flicker]

Wanting to play SatisFactory but I've played it so much over the past month Im getting burnt out 😭

[silk ocean]

Power through the burnout, achieve a burn-free mind

[compact flicker]

Good point

[silk ocean]

Could try meditiation lol

[compact flicker]

Even so, 536 hours of any other game would've been enoigh to burn out several times over

[silk ocean]

Good effort xD

[compact flicker]

Oh well, time to expand the factory

[silk ocean]

Yea some games I am toasted after 45 hours

That's the spirit

[compact flicker]

Wish there were thicker cables >:

[silk ocean]

They do look quite wimpy thin especially on the pylons yea

[compact flicker]

Like structeral cables

Tryna build a suspension bridge

[silk ocean]

Oh, yea that would be nice

[compact flicker]

Clean MK1 pipes are an option, but they're not perfect

[silk ocean]

Yea I've seen some designs on Reddit using that sort of thing

[split condor]

So question…. Advice. How do I figure out when to use an iron node for iron vs combining with coal for steel?

[reef basin]

don't

instead figure out what products you want and work backwards from that

[silk ocean]

Could be worse.... the AI told me that I'm in Potato-Mode when I said I'm playing video games xD

[split condor]

At end of tier 3, and I need a lot more steel than iron now or so it would seem. I can make things work with alt recipe but…

[compact flicker]

What're ya needing a ton of steel for?

[ivory condor]

you mean your pc is so slow it might as well be a potato

[silk ocean]

Either that or me is very slow... or both XD

[ivory condor]

XD

[split condor]

Meh, My need for encased beams, and versatile frames, and pipes for something else. It seems with 5 foundry going I have a choke point right now and setting up for tier 4 production

[reef basin]

for each of those items, pick an amount you want to automate, calculate backwards how much ore and factory you need and build that much

[split condor]

Cool I will try that. Thank you

[silk ocean]

Working backwards is generally the secret sauce

[zealous urchin]

cute potato confirmed

[silk ocean]

Certainly a potato, not sure about the cute part 😈

[broken quarry]

whats your steel production looking like?

[wary perch]

no cute DRINKS no eggnog no non no no oooo tea no JUICE in my stupid cup WHYY

[stray wagon]

Why does my water keep over filling in my bauxite factor I have 900 water going in and out it should be the perfect amount but for some reason it keeps backing up and I have to empty out the pipelines

[zealous urchin]

im not brainrot proficient enough to understand that kind person on the internet

[split condor]

Not able to get in ga,e right now, but running one pure iron with mk2, 2 normal coal with mk 2 mk 3 belts 5 smelters at 100% processing 220 ish per min allowing 1 pipe at 100% 4 beams at 93% ish

[broken quarry]

dang Im at 120/m with 2 iron mk1 miners and 1 coal mk1 miner

[wary perch]

i want other liquids in my coffee cup

[zealous urchin]

like whiskey?

[compact flicker]

I think being able to have photomode filters on normal gameplay would be cool :3

[compact flicker]

SAM

[wary perch]

eggnog juice plutonium

[zealous urchin]

radioactive ficsmas refreshment

[hard ivy]

Static systems (that have a set water input) generally don't work well, because they can only function at 100%, and not a fraction of a percentage less. Any decrease in water consumption will lead to a clog

You need a system that can dynamically adjust water supply to match demand

[ivory condor]

Is it time to discuss VIPS again

[sterile blade]

Cute potatoes in your area! 🔥

[reef basin]

separate fresh and byprodct water

[sterile blade]

||Laughs at the GladOS reaction||

[silk ocean]

I forgot about potato glados

[normal arch]

potatOS

[idle glen]

where am I supposed to make copped and iron decorations for ficsmas?

[silk ocean]

Assembler? xD

[compact flicker]

Foundry

[idle glen]

theres no recipe there

[silk ocean]

You can always check the codex if it's in there, tells you the machine to use

[zealous urchin]

satisfactory x portal crossover

[idle glen]

theres also nothing there

[zealous urchin]

ada is lowkey glados

[silk ocean]

FICSMAS might not be in it I guess

As Vi said, sounds like Foundry

[reef basin]

if it's not in codex, you don't have the recipe unlocked yet

[idle glen]

only shows up when I unlock the chapter for steel making

[normal arch]

True... they both have dark humor.

[silk ocean]

Can you ever really trust ADA 😈

She's an AI... might be plotting

[normal arch]

Flush a ai limiter in the hub toilet.

[silk ocean]

Next time in base will do xD

They collecting recycling bins and all I can hear around the town is the crashing of glass XD

[zealous urchin]

thats ur crazy adventure story of today?

[silk ocean]

It's wild bro

[zealous urchin]

is it like unleash inner beast wild or coala in the zoo wild

[silk ocean]

Trying to build a factory and suddenly CRASH

[sterile blade]

It... It actually doesn't sound too unlikely?

Oh boy, thinking about a Ficsit-Aperture interaction...

[frail sleet]

@magic rune

or claims in competitive shooters that "rendering more frames than the display is capable of reduces input lag" (which is complete nonsense assuming the game was properly designed to have game logic (and thus input polling) decoupled from render rate

This is not correct because you're not taking into account that the frame scanout itself takes time.

If you render 60fps on 60hz then by the time the scanout reaches the bottom of the screen, the frame that it's updating the display to is 16.67ms old.

If you render 1000fps on 60hz and hotswap the scanout onto each new frame, it's never more than 1ms old. So even if you sample input in the most optimal way possible, there's 15ms to gain there.

The gain is usually much larger though, sometimes reaching 100ms because of added latencies in the graphics pipeline and developer mistakes / inefficiencies.

[ivory condor]

Now I'm thinking about that cake, thanks

[silk ocean]

Surely get horrendous tearing

[compact flicker]

How're we feelin about this? #design-and-architecture message

[green fiber]

Im questioning the advantage 15ms bring

[silk ocean]

Looks cool

[severe cliff]

do you guys prefer to make most of your stuff nearby and ship the materials there or build separately and ship the final product to a central storage?

[compact flicker]

Ty

The "gravity" on the cables was hard to do

[frail sleet]

There are some great scientific studies on human performance with a variety of display latencies if you're interested, but tl;dr there is significant improvement down to total latencies of under 15ms, let alone a single part of the chain adding an additional 15ms.

[zealous urchin]

that would be funny but ADA vs GladOS sounds like rap battle of history or set up WWE match
would still watch tho

[hard ivy]

Neither. I build factories near the resources they use and dump the output into the depot

[silk ocean]

Yea it's tricky, that seems to work well tho

[green fiber]

Thanks but im playing the ignorance card - i have no interest in 60+ fps, even if it supposedly has benefits

[zealous urchin]

Xmas coming so its all gon be cake

[frail sleet]

no supposedly about it, there are a handful of huge ones

[hard ivy]

I have experienced 240 FPS and can never go back

[silk ocean]

Theoretically the sooner a frame is presented, the sooner you react, even if your reaction time is fixed

[frail sleet]

the most annoying for me is sample-and-hold motion blur, it's horrendous at 60fps 😄

Thankfully it is fixed by framegen, even if the game itself is locked @ 60.

[sterile blade]

Warning: playing the Ignorance card 3 times in a row risks incurring into penalties with other players

[hard ivy]

And I'm not even talking about the lower delay. The smoothness is just incredible

[sterile blade]

Why the "even if the game is locked" part?

[frail sleet]

Some games (like Factorio) are locked to 60fps and have horrible motion blur because of it. We can framegen it with an out-of-game program and reduce that motion blur by 80-90% with a high refresh rate monitor.

Sample-and-hold motion blur scales proportionally to framerate and to motion speed, so double FPS means half added blur etc.

[silk ocean]

You might get a more up to date frame when the panel refreshes, but you're still worst case waiting 16.67ms to get it. That's why these e-sports monitors have insane refresh rates these days, 480Hz or more

[hard ivy]

Fun fact! It's not. Running Factorio at double speed makes it run at 120 FPS

[sterile blade]

Coughs up some BloodBorne

[mortal ginkgo]

Bloodborne 2 is a factory game confirmed

100%

[sterile blade]

Automate your reflexes to harvest Echoes

[silk ocean]

So apparently the issue I had where a train was just sitting at a green signal is a bug when they are on an incline and can sometimes just stop at a green?

or it was red and it didn't quite stop in time, looked like it had gone beyond it a bit... and then maybe just was confused

[tranquil saffron]

for the love of god ... can anyone tell me how they angled those pillars and walls at a 45 degree angle on the main menu? i think it's driving me insane figuring it out. building a massive 80x40 factory and i want to know how!

[hard ivy]

There is no bug. Just janky signal behaviour.

You had a path at the bottom of a slope and a block signal somewhere between where the train stopped and the path signal

The train sees the red signal ahead (the default state for path signals) and calculates where it needs to start slowing down to stop before it.

Because the signal is at the bottom of a slope, if the train is heavy enough, it might calculate that it can't stop on the slope, right before the signal, so it chooses to stop at the top, way before the signal

But the default state of a path is red. And it'll only turn green if the train requests a path and is granted that path. But the train won't even attempt to request a path unless the path is the next signal on its route

So if you have a block signal between where the train would choose stop for a red path and said path, the train deadlocks itself. It waits for the signal at the bottom to be green, but the signal at the bottom won't turn green untill the train goes past the block. Which it'll never do because that signal is after the spot it stopped at

[cunning glade]

What's the best way to fill a loop that uses canisters

Just load all of the machines with a stack?

[hard ivy]

Fill the blueprint

Then the machines get placed already filled

And if you built it properly (without using any splitters or mergers), then you don't even need a stack

10-20 should be enough

Assuming we're talking about DPF here (since that's the most common one)

For different loops, other designs might make more sense

[silk ocean]

Makes sense but it was stopped two signals back from the nearest path signal
#screenshots message
It's not a particularly heavy train, it happened when I wasn't logged in - when I logged in there was chaos. That little train had caused a massive tailback, blocked a busy intersection and two powerplants had gone offline XD

[hard ivy]

it doesn't matter how many block signals there are between the train and the path, other than whether it's 0 or more than 0. the path won't turn green until it's the next signal on the train's route. i.e. the train has passed the bottommost block signal. you could remove the top one, and all the other ones other than the last one and the train would behave exactly the same in that situation

and yes, 1 loco + 2 full(ish) wagons is heavy enough for this issue to appear on 2 m ramps

[silk ocean]

I understand how the path signals work. Either way what you were saying makes sense, but the bottom line is that it was stuck and caused chaos, I have moved the signals since that screenshot and haven't had any problems so far

I ditched the ones on the slope half way down and moved that one back onto the bend

[tranquil saffron]

think i figured out the pillar thing, by holding ctrl when placing... but yeah, i must stress that planning trains and and roads in this game is paramount, rather than just trying to build everything around your factory. still trying to figure out all the signal stuff myself, im just happy with my looping christmas tree trains 😂

[idle glen]

how do I drop items?

[hard ivy]

I never put signals on slopes. up or down. I made that rule because I didn't want trains to attempt to go down a slope without being able to go all the way, because stopping on a slope seemed like it'd cause a massive slowdown. but thanks to that, I only stumbled on that path/block/down slope issue on reddit, not on my own train network 😄

[hard ivy]

drag them out of your inventory

[silk ocean]

Yea... Some of my slopes are extremely long and traffic-heavy so I really need signals on them, this has been the only one that has caused problems and it seems fixed now touch wood. I am trying to avoid signals on slopes too since this happened

#screenshots message
Lots of signals on that one (continues around the corner) but never caused trouble

[hard ivy]

yeah, the deadlock only happens when there's a path right at the bottom. put a long enough flat section before each intersection and it shouldn't cause issues

[silk ocean]

Yea that climb was just a bit tight but I should have left more flat... might redesign it at some point but fingers crossed all is well atm

[trim sundial]

I just unlocked coal, which has been so game changing, now i have time to fine tune my factory. I have a line producing everything up to reinforced plates but im having an issue stream lining the automation process, there is like 3-4 seconds between one plate finishing and another starting. I might be reading the constructer interface wrong. It says it takes 40 screws per min, is that based on the rate my screws are going into the machine or is that a BASE rate, the machine will always use 40 screws per min?

[silk ocean]

No more running around like a madman gathering twigs and leaves xD

[hard ivy]

if a machine says it consumes 40/min, then that's how much it'll consume when running. if you give it more, it'll fill up (and eventually stop accepting the excess). if you give it less, it won't run all the time and therefore produce proportionally less.

[south sinew]

that's the maximum it can consume, if you supply less, you will get fewer plates out

[wind siren]

the per min rate is how many need to be in the machine for it to start a cycle

[silk ocean]

They often don't start producing until there is almost double the required minimum amount in the buffer I find

[wind siren]

so you need to feed another cycles worth into the machine while its running the current cycle

this is why large quantity recipes are not the best choice and an alt recipe that uses less per min is advuised

that puts any screw recipe HIGH on the replace list

[hard ivy]

no, they start if they have enough for 1 cycle. but the reason why it sometimes won't is because once a machine starts idling, it'll idle for at least 5 seconds (except constructors and converters, at least according to Docs)

[trim sundial]

I think i got it, it made my factory look ugly but it reduced the distance between part feeders AND attached tier 2 converyers and now the reinfrced plate machine has enough materials for 3 plates at any given time, it seems to have reduced the pause between crafting to 0 lol

[silk ocean]

Interesting.. Kinda makes sense although I've seen some idle for a lot longer than that when they have plenty to do a cycle

[trim sundial]

Woops nope that was excess backed up stuff lol

[fierce holly]

Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate Stingers ever since I installed Satisfactory. Now, I'm no arachnophobe. I'm not scared of Stingers. They just... Infuriate me a little. But I still choose to not play with passive enemies. I mean, what's the point of it being an "enemy" then? But today was a little different. See, I really wanted to get the cast screw recipe, so I located a swamp with a few crash sites. But alas, they were guarded by alpha stingers. And they killed me. A few times. And I started to get a little mad. But when I finally outsmarted the Stinger, I went up to the crash site, and in big bold beautiful letters - "repairs needed". So I may have gone into creative and covered the entire swamp in nukes. And I beat the living crap out of any survivors. Let's just say I'm not going back to this world.

[wind siren]

i still get impressed at the giant green ones leaping so high

[silk ocean]

I can recommend the "triple nuke" treatment for stinger hives. As far as the Swamp goes I can recommend for scorched earth technique - 750 nukes spread all around the joint. Push the button and watch the spiders enter orbit

[ebon marsh]

where is the talking channel like general?

[trim sundial]

I wish the storage containers had more then 2 ports on them. I wish i could like have all my iron plates, rods, screws and basic things go into one contianer and then my assembly stuff can draw from that container but unless im misisng something the basic storage container doesnt do that lol

[hard ivy]

Here?

[trim sundial]

I might just be kinda oblivios but i dont even know why storage containers have an output when there is no way to control what comes out...is there?

[hard ivy]

You should never put a container in the middle of production

[trim sundial]

I havent, they are all at the end

[hard ivy]

So they can be used as buffers for trains and depots

And for temporary handfed production

And there is a way to control what comes out. Put in one type of item and only that one type of item will come out 😆

[silk ocean]

Just build more containers if you need more ports?

[hard ivy]

No, they want something like the Factorio warehouse/wagon mall

If you even know what that is XD

[trim sundial]

i posted a screenshot of my current set up, as ugly and ineffecient as it is lol

[silk ocean]

Shopping Mall xD

Yea every Factorio factory needs a megamall

And a weapons mall xD

But then the mall is usually connected to the logistics network, whereas in Satis the DD

Unlock the Dimensional Depot in the Alien Tech tree and you won't need these containers

[trim sundial]

HOLY CRUD, never mind. I just unlocked an alternite recipe for reinforced plates which is WAY better and easier

Now i have to redo everything ugh

[zealous urchin]

[silk ocean]

Everybody loves a retrofit

[hard ivy]

I wonder which one that is

[zealous urchin]

i saw how you build, ugly floating foundations, no decoration, no design

ur domain expansion is pretty strong have to say

[silk ocean]

I usually have supports under platforms, nothing really floats XD

I didn't describe my factory as an uninspired pile of brutalist trash for nothing XD

[zealous urchin]

Nothing Realy Floats Incorporated

Trust us with your foundations!

[silk ocean]

#screenshots message

[undone citrus]

I am happy

Very happy

Trains are the best

[silk ocean]

Yes yes yes

[fluid sapphire]

choo choo, indeed

[undone citrus]

I might build a train empire just cause

[silk ocean]

Trains are love, drones are sobbing

[undone citrus]

Lol

[fluid sapphire]

both is good

[undone citrus]

Drones sound cool, but in game they look less epic

[sterile blade]

None of my things float either.
I've developed some high-tech supports made out of high pressure air. They just have the small issue of being completely invisible 🤷‍♂️

[undone citrus]

I like the fancy trains with massive train stations

[zealous urchin]

if bro tried to make an iglo it would be made from concrete, without a roof, and would be on a desert

[fluid sapphire]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1413622137226395729

its not fancy, but it is big

its a train depot like 1km long

[real shale]

Technically snowy areas can be considered a desert, so that's normalish at the very least

[undone citrus]

Damnn

[fluid sapphire]

thats just a regular tuesday at my aluminum factory hehe

[real shale]

What are the hotspots representing?

[undone citrus]

I've decided about 40 hours ago I'm not going for maximum efficiency anymore

I just want it to look super pretty and work well enough

[silk ocean]

Radioactivity xD

[real shale]

Oh

[undone citrus]

I just have a bunch of markers with dumb names lmao

Like "fat dumbass stinky bitch"

[silk ocean]

It seems there has been a breakout in morale at the factory, FICSIT informed, work hours doubled, shore leave cancelled XD

[real shale]

Also floating foundations....my worst nightmare....

I say as I have a railway bridge hanging over the edge of the map

[undone citrus]

Damn

[real shale]

"We are now passing the bridge, DO NOT....LOOK DOWN."

[shy mulch]

Places I've been. I leave behind a radioactive trail, like a slug, but worse

[real shale]

You must be a teleporting slug then

[shy mulch]

Sure, why not

[undone citrus]

I have so many to fix, but that's an easy 1-8 hour task, depending when I get to it

So I'ma focus on building first

[sterile blade]

Hoarding so much Uranium in your inventory that the radiation spills out

[real shale]

I love that meme of the different types of satisfactory players, like engineer, chef, etc etc

[fluid sapphire]

add frames as supports and pretend its no longer floating
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1443012424532885676

[undone citrus]

I like how in any other game 8 hours is a lot but in this game it's like the baseline of any task minimum

[silk ocean]

Most of those hotspots are uranium sites, or trains carrying it to the nuclear plant

[short root]

Yo that's INSANE

[real shale]

I am definitely an engineer, I build something think "oh this could could look nice" and then leave it unfinished aesthetically before moving to the next project

[undone citrus]

I'm striving to be a a builder type

Or train

Just train

[sterile blade]

I like sushi

[real shale]

So many of my buildings have just random walls and ceilings with holes in them because I've just decided, "yeah humanity needs me right now"

[sterile blade]

So you're training to become a builder type?

[fluid sapphire]

about a month of work if i include all the source stations, to make 4500 aluminum ingots/min

[undone citrus]

No. I embody train. Choo Choo become me

[fluid sapphire]

21 trains in-out total (iirc)

[short root]

I like it. Very impressive!

[shy mulch]

I wonder how many trains I have

[fluid sapphire]

thanks

[real shale]

Not enough if that's the question you are asking

[silk ocean]

SCIM says I have 206 locos, but definitely not that many trains, many have 2 locos on them

[shy mulch]

If I make any more trains I'll need to make some changes to my rail infrasctructure

[sterile blade]

I saved humanity already, so I don't feel guilt when fiddling with colorful signs instead of listening to ADA

[shy mulch]

Good going, I'll check mine, I'm sure mine is less than that

[silk ocean]

I think I have roughly 110 trains give or take

[undone citrus]

I got a hilarious clip today from my friend

I just wanted to show him the bombs

[sterile blade]

Just a few

[shy mulch]

SCIM says I have 215...

and none of them are doubles

[silk ocean]

Microfleet xD

[undone citrus]

What's your longest one

[shy mulch]

I didn't realise I had that many lol oops

[silk ocean]

Not super long due to deadlock risks, longest is about 6 (2 locos, 4 cars)

[shy mulch]

How many km of track?

[undone citrus]

Oh yeah speaking of what does another loco do

[silk ocean]

179.25km

[compact flicker]

Yk maybe the giant suspension bridge over the void should've waited till I got the hoverpack

[shy mulch]

Oof. I'm at 103.4km

[short root]

You can pull more freight cars steeper inclines

[undone citrus]

Ah that's cool

[silk ocean]

Still good xD

[undone citrus]

My train is currently one loco 12 cars

But operates no issues

[silk ocean]

Probably would get stuck on a hill if it stopped xD

[shy mulch]

Half as much track as you, with twice as many trains, no wonder mine are chaos. So many signals to keep things from getting deadlocked

[undone citrus]

I have it all very flat or very small hills

[silk ocean]

Oh wow yeah I bet that's busy busy

[undone citrus]

Cause I don't like the inclines

I haven't had a need for signals yet but I did testing and mostly understand them now which is nice

[silk ocean]

Probably best because 1 loco hauling 12 full cars isn't going to make a 2m incline xD

[shy mulch]

I like spirals for inclines 😄

[undone citrus]

They aren't all full just yet but will be

[fluid sapphire]

once signals click you can design just about anything you want

i find it should actually be safer to have longer trains

[short root]

If you stay flat, it works. You will notice that when you have inclines, 12 cars can be too much, depending on the incline. If you want to spoil yourself, there is a table on the wiki: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Freight_Car
But I know you don't want to do it, which is fine! Just for reference...

[fluid sapphire]

almost all of mine are 2+8 setup

[undone citrus]

My biggest issue so far was pipes, but that's cause it said it had power when it didn't 💀

[fluid sapphire]

less frequent trips = less traffic

[shy mulch]

all mine are 1+4, and it's proper chaos, some stations are visited by 6+ different trains

I just love watching them all scurry about like ants

[silk ocean]

My main base plastics/rubber offload has about 6 trains arriving yea

[hard ivy]

And I build mine as long as they need to be

though no longer than 2-6 if I can help it

[silk ocean]

Yea mine all vary in length, I have many that are just 1 loco + 1 car

[fluid sapphire]

i like that my trains can chill for 10 minutes if they need, they have all the time in the world to get where they need to go

[shy mulch]

I have a few hubs that process a disgusting amount of stuff, managing all the signals was the fun bit

[short root]

I usually also do the 1+4

[fluid sapphire]

if you get silly enough with it, even a 1+1 can do a 7 hour round trip xd

[undone citrus]

I was wondering about opinions or advice on my storage set up in screenshots

[fluid sapphire]

any towards storage, overflow towards sink? thats a standard setup

the merges and splits are whatever

[trim sundial]

found an alternate rotor too lol now i have to redo my entire set up lol. Worth it though, i only have one machine autoamting my reinforced plates and rotors but they produce in bulk 😛

[silk ocean]

Looks tidy

[fluid sapphire]

dont have to, you can make a new setup elsewhere

[short root]

Last time I did a central storage like this, I made a long row of containers and splitted with intelligent splitters from one side to the other with a sink at the end. So its similar and should work with the mixed belt input.

[undone citrus]

Figured. Just didn't know if I was smart or overlooking something

[trim sundial]

Yeah but i dont have alot of stuff mapped out though

[undone citrus]

The trains having a top output will make doubling up vertically easier too

[short root]

You don't have to redo it, just build a second factory and you have double the output!

[short root]

Exactly! This is what I actually did. Two paths with two splitters vertically above each other, two sinks at the end.

Fast unloading, quick refilling.

But with the dimensional depot, I didn't do it again in my latest world.

[trim sundial]

I miight add a second floor, have basic stuff being produced on ground level and complex stuff above

[undone citrus]

Yeah, idk yet if I'm going to have refilling or not

I plan to make this new location my main area of operations

Which is why the train exists

[short root]

Vertically thinking = Huge success

[undone citrus]

Taking stuff from my old area and working factories to my new area

I've mutilated my home base lol but the machines themselves are running still

[short root]

Do you have a plan in mind for why you need the resources at your new area? Just asking.

[fluid sapphire]

the idea of having a main area is a trap imo, the whole map can be your area

[undone citrus]

Yeah but I don't want that

[undone citrus]

Cause I want to build parts that require plastic, I'm too lazy to ship plastic everywhere, and I think this area will look cool with multiple factories, trains and belts around it

[short root]

Depending on the playstyle, yes. I did it this way always, had my stuff around the world. In my previous world from Update 4 to 8, I had a central storage though for getting resources for building new parts, with 1.0 and the dimensional depot, its not necessary anymore of course. And eventually, I want to connect everything ||with portals||.

[fluid sapphire]

i am no stranger to the idea of an industrial complex

[undone citrus]

It's also close to the red forest

[short root]

Sounds legit!

[undone citrus]

Which I have more plans for

[fluid sapphire]

my strat is to build outwards, but then fill the gaps later with other factories

[short root]

Red forest is nice, dangerous, but beautiful

[fluid sapphire]

my grass fields, crater area forms one big complex and i keep filling it out

[undone citrus]

nevermind that I just shipped every other part to the plastic rather than shipping the plastic to other areas lmao

BUT MY LOGIC STANDS

[short root]

It's like programming software. As soon as you finished, you know how to do it better and could start from scratch again.
Totally normal.

[fluid sapphire]

i totally get the idea of having a lot of stuff in close proximity, it does look cool for sure

[undone citrus]

But yeah found it easier to ship the the parts I can make in bulk rather than the plastic I'm still learning to properly understand

[fluid sapphire]

plastic is an ideal candidate for shipping around though, usually need it in small amounts

[undone citrus]

I'm trying to go for a somewhat real look rather than insane impossible factories

Cause the closer to real the prettier it looks for me

[short root]

For my space elevator parts, I needed some mix, a train station which unloads many resources, a programmable splitter array which distributes the stuff, and a complex industrial complex 🥁 that builds the parts.

Not beautiful, but did the phase unlocking fast.

[fluid sapphire]

bet, i tend to work with smaller modules

[short root]

True! I also am not a fan of the large megabases over water, is not genuinely working with the map

[fluid sapphire]

one building makes 1-2-3 things, ships elsewhere, and so on

circuit boards? one building. computers? another building that gets fed by the previous one

[short root]

I did more modular in my previous world before 1.0 but since I finished phase 4 there, I wanted to quickly reach phase 5 in my 1.0 world, so I did some... quick and dirty solutions for quick unlocking.

Not that everything is unlocked, I can take my time and build serious.

[fluid sapphire]

i have been playing phase 4 for over a year now hehh, on and off

[undone citrus]

Yeah, I like building on the land and making nice buildings

[short root]

From what I have seen, your buildings are well designed

[undone citrus]

Im hoping to be done phase 4 in like 300 hours, hopefully. If doable

[undone citrus]

Yeah, first building I actually tried on turned out awesome

[short root]

I think in my current world (3rd), it took me around 140 hours to finish phase 5 and "end the game".
But as said, I tried to unlock quickly.

[undone citrus]

Yeah, I'm accounting for my building habits and just being new in general

So hoping I can do 300 hours, that gives me 175 left

[fluid sapphire]

i did all phase 4 milestones quickly, i honestly dont feel like i am missing any tools to build just about anything, other than better conveyors maybe

[short root]

Totally fine and legit and moreover, knowing that you will have fun for many hours is simply great

[fluid sapphire]

but aesthetically i prefer mk5 conveyors to mk6 anyway

[short root]

Why 175 left?

[severe cliff]

chat do i try and make a megafactory where i can produce everything

[undone citrus]

Cause I'm already at 125 hours

[shy mulch]

Everyone has different playing styles. Some people like to complete fast, some people like to complete slow 🙂

[short root]

Ah now I get it, yes

[fluid sapphire]

whats the hurry, enjoy the ride

[zealous urchin]

complete fast do whatever after

[leaden turret]

some weird people play with sushi belts, some weird people crash the game on purpose, some weird people play it like it's factorio and don't build up for some strange reason

[feral dragon]

I remember a page where you could upload a save and see what item you produce too much or too little of, anyone know?

[south sinew]

If you want to

[fluid sapphire]

eeh, idk, for me i think i might experience a drop in motivation once i hit the end, at least for a while

[leaden turret]

you'd be referring to SCIM's statistics panel (linked in #welcome )

[fluid sapphire]

if its your first time around, dont recommend it

[severe cliff]

say yes i want 2 but need orhers approval

[short root]

So my first world had 81 hours until I stopped because Update 4 radically changed power generation and my factory building was more a learning process than a working condition.
My second world is where I took time, from Update 4 to 8, it has 296 hours and finished phase 4.
My third and current world is only at 171 hours yet but finished phase 5. I had not so much time this year to play.
I wanted to finish the phases quickly so that I can build for fun.

[undone citrus]

I'm glad I started after 1.1

[fluid sapphire]

you would have to plan out basically everything from the get-go, or suffer the consequences

[undone citrus]

I would have been so sad and annoyed fixing everything from updates

[south sinew]

then see a therapist about that

[short root]

It worked from Update 4 to 8 for me, but the earlier updates, from 2 to 3 ot 3 to 4 were huge. Also from 8 to 1.0 of course. Mostly because of recipe changes.
I started with Update 3.

[south sinew]

certainly not, you need a reasonable idea of how to handle things, but far from planning everything

[leaden turret]

looks at 1.2 coming next year

[severe cliff]

i am dw

[fluid sapphire]

if they are here asking this, they do not have that

[feral dragon]

I have uploaded my save but can't seem to find where the chart is, can you point me?

[undone citrus]

I hope it doesn't break anything insane

[south sinew]

they have psychological problems it seems, that doesn't mean there's no reasonable idea

[undone citrus]

I do my building backwards but it lets me build things better looking.

I build the building first then fill the interior

[shy mulch]

In early access any updates can break anything. The game is not in early access any more. 1.0 was the game release. After that, any updates will not break anything, only add things

[leaden turret]

📈 statistics

[fluid sapphire]

if you want to build a true megafactory, you have to start planning from the very end by nature of what a megafactory is

[undone citrus]

That's comforting

[short root]

I often have space issues with this approach, but it doesn't work the other way round, lol

[south sinew]

that's a very narrow conception of megafactory

they only asked for putting everything in one place which definitely doesn't require planning from the very end

you only need to plan enough to stop decisions you make at the start from ruining decisions you need to make at the end

[feral dragon]

Thank you! So above the middle line means you produce enough?

[south sinew]

which really only calls for some organisation as to what goes where

[undone citrus]

I can live with space issues. Not enough space? Build another pretty building

[fluid sapphire]

i guarantee you that since they are here asking this, they do not have to experience to plan for it

[south sinew]

and "one floor per product" is good enough for that

[undone citrus]

That's actually exactly why I'm building more around my oil plant, cause I made it too small to properly fit fuel production in it. So I'm building a fuel plant beside it

[south sinew]

It doesn't take experience. Just a couple of simple ideas like "put each product on a separate floor" and "put the belt for each item in a row". That's all you need

[short root]

Well to be fair, 1.1 already did some changes like the introduction of hypertube junctions that lead to a redesign of hypertubes in my case.

[leaden turret]

look for the thumbs up / thumbs down unless you wanna do math

[hard ivy]

at least that's how it's supposed to work. We'll see how it actually ends up.
-# and I'm hoping they break rocket fuel because it's way too good to be in this game

[short root]

It's completely right what you say. It's this simple.

[shy mulch]

Any changes you made were your choice though. No existing hypertubes stopped working

[short root]

That's how you mean it, okay fair!

[undone citrus]

Oh yeah I only started December 4th

Been no lifting this game

[short root]

Thats fairly recent

[fluid sapphire]

you underestimate what that can mean for a complex building in terms of actually building it from the perspective of someone new to the game, but sure

[south sinew]

The whole point is that it's not complex. It's actually very simple.

take a look here #screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

"i didnt leave enough space for the thing i wanted to do, now what"

[south sinew]

that's an impossible situation if you follow the two ideas I laid out

[undone citrus]

Of the 13 days I've owned the game I've spent 5 days in game

[south sinew]

there will always be more space on the floor for the thing you wanted, and there will always be more space for belts

[fluid sapphire]

my key point is it will severely limit how you build and is additional challenge on top of what a new player already has to deal with

[short root]

That's a lot. So may I ask, is the game... satisfactory... for you, so far?

[south sinew]

you think of it as a limitation, but it's not a limitation, it frees you

[undone citrus]

Yeah lol

[south sinew]

you can make whatever choices you want in the knowledge that you're not locked into them

[short root]

Don't overdo it, some people tend to burn out from this game afaik.

[south sinew]

because you know exactly where the other items should go and it's clear how to not tread on your own toes

[undone citrus]

Nah

[fluid sapphire]

agree to disagree, to me its definitely a limitation

[undone citrus]

This game is awesome, I won't burn out until at least final phase

[south sinew]

well

[undone citrus]

Cause I keep getting new stuff

[fluid sapphire]

in terms of architecture

[south sinew]

even if it is limiting, limitations can make things simple and the factory I've linked is not complex at all

[undone citrus]

Trains easily give me another 100 hours before burnout lol

[south sinew]

1 floor per product, belts organised in two rows, that's it (don't even need the two rows, one row would work fine)

[undone citrus]

Like a 5 year olds first train set

[south sinew]

it was a very easy megafactory to build

if anything it was too easy and maybe a bit boring

[zealous urchin]

was about to say its perhaps boring

[fluid sapphire]

you assume they think like you, thats not necessarily true

[south sinew]

I don't disagree, but also, if I say "it's easy if you follow these rules" and then you don't follow those rules, whatever outcome you get is on you ;p

[fluid sapphire]

its certainly a way to build, if all you care about is production, cant argue with that

[void wind]

dumb question but if i have 3 mk5 belts murging into one shouldent the though put go up by adding in the extra items ? i ask as im feeding 3 lines of screws into one belt , but the though put never exceeds 480 and cant figure out why.

[silk ocean]

Is there a Mk.4 belt hiding inside the merger?

[fluid sapphire]

this has to be it

[zealous urchin]

do u ever use other belts other than best ones available

[celest umbra]

How to ficsonium??

It’s so hard

[hard ivy]

Doesn't have to be inside the merger. Just has to be somewhere between the merger and the next belt attachment (splitter/merger/machine). Or it could be machines that consumes 480

[void wind]

ill double check though thought i upgraded them once i got mk4 but maybe im blind of one some where lol

[short root]

I would recommend to disassemble the merger, then you should see it

[hard ivy]

I only use a slower belt if the fastest belt I have is mk2. I can't be bothered to automate them properly without having access to better alts/belts, so I use mk2s where I absolutely need to. But from mk3 upwards, I always use the fastest belts I have access to

[silk ocean]

It's quite a common problem for there to be a tiny bit of slower belt inside mergers and splitters when upgrading

[void wind]

not much to remove , basically i have 2 production lines at mk5 one is sending the 480 then i have another 480 line im trying to add to it , im murging directly at the end of each manifold so i might delete the manifolds and rebuild with mk5 even though i upgraded all the belts

[silk ocean]

Often happens when you plop the merger onto an existing belt, and then upgrade either side of it

[hard ivy]

or if you're like me and have splitter/merger BPs with belt stubs coming out of them for auto-connect

but I never upgrade belts so 🤷‍♂️

[silk ocean]

Remove the merger and all the belts and reconnect them fresh, should solve it

[zealous urchin]

belt mk2 is one of those things that makes early game annoying

[hard ivy]

you can quite easily automate plates fast enough to use mk2s everywhere but just... why? Why spend so much time on it when you can do it in half the time later? Why use so much biomass on it when you don't really need it?

[whole robin]

I spent like an hour last night making the worst conveyor + pipe spaghetti to fuel 8 fucking coal generators

[silk ocean]

Worlds most complex 8 coal plant? xD

[shy mulch]

Did you have fun doing it? That's the only qualifier of whether it was a success or not

[hard ivy]

it might be because you only took an hour to do it

[whole robin]

It was funny when me and the person I was playing with stepped back and realized how fucked up it was

[silk ocean]

Should be at least 1 hour per coal generator... 8 of them is a working day xD

[whole robin]

I figured it would be easier to get the coal to each generator if the splitters went from above the pipes down to each generator

[silk ocean]

I mix it up, sometimes the pipe is above, sometimes below

[whole robin]

I mean it works, but it looks good awful

[hard ivy]

granted, I could probably do it in 30-40 minutes and build it relatively cleanly, but the first few times you build something like this it often takes time to do it properly

[silk ocean]

Screenshots or it never happened

[whole robin]

#screenshots message

Way ahead of you

[silk ocean]

Oh yeah I saw those.... dem belts are exotic AF bro

Kinda trippy

Never thought a coal plant could make me feel seasick xD

[zealous urchin]

i think conveyor lift is a joke to him

which is interesting to see dont get me wrong
it has its charm

[silk ocean]

Definitely has charm +a sickness towards lifts xD

[zealous urchin]

would u be this creative knwoing what u now now? no

[whole robin]

...I forgot about those

[silk ocean]

My plebianbrain and creativity are like trying to run a windows program on Linux... not compatible

[shy mulch]

Turn it off and on again

[silk ocean]

shutting down

[zealous urchin]

highly recommend, one of better items in game unironicaly

[silk ocean]

Are the foundations above to hide the inner workings of the belts

[whole robin]

They were just to give the conveyor a platform to be on

[silk ocean]

So when you look at the plant from outside you think what a neat and tidy well organised plant with definitely no spaghetti belting anywhere to be found what a great setup

[zealous urchin]

logi floor revolution and its consequences for society

[silk ocean]

Consequence for a pioneer, might get stuck in the belly of the belted beast

[whole robin]

Yeah, but it gets exponentially more mentally ill as you get closer

[silk ocean]

You could enclose the entire plant in a gigantic box... Nothing at all to see here folks... Just an empty box.. move along

[short root]

AAAAAAAA... I mean... that's scary.

[zealous urchin]

Domain Expansion: Floating Platform
Cursed Technique: Orange Boxification

[whole robin]

You called?

[zealous urchin]

REVERSE TECHNIQUE: ECUMENOPOLIS

[silk ocean]

Yes, surround it with so many machines and things nobody would ever cast a gaze upon a measly coal plant

[void wind]

ha found it, had a random mk4 belt hidden under a mk5 belt that was not hooked up . like where the heck that come from lol

[silk ocean]

Happens more often than you think xD

[short root]

I am sorry your nick name was perfectly fitting my response. Thank you for your sacrifice.

[zealous urchin]

i was there, i witnessed every single one of them, because it was me

[silk ocean]

Traumatised in the process

KYO got the right idea, just always use Mk.6's xD

[unkempt blade]

That's crazy talk. There are better options than mk6 if we're maxing

[silk ocean]

Factory Carts on Mk.6 belts

[zealous urchin]

Factory Cart vs Belt 6 is like Kung Fu Panda vs Tai Lung

not even close 🗣️ 📢 🔥

[stiff grail]

yall is there a way to find the 3d models of all the machines items and conveyors and shit like that inside the files?

[leaden turret]

-# now giving you the mental image of zoos having to artificially inseminate factory carts because they too lazy to mate

[leaden turret]

yes. pop on the modding discord and ask about fmodel.

[stiff grail]

in which chat?

[raven axle]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @leaden turret

[hard ivy]

https://docs.ficsit.app/satisfactory-modding/latest/Development/ExtractGameFiles.html

[coarse path]

yo

can anyone please help me with my turbo fuel power plant

anyone that is realy good with it

i seriously need help

[leaden turret]

#1038092680493801533 is probably a good starting point, as you'd be able to post screenshots of your setup

[coarse path]

i would rather want someone to join me yknow

i dont like to wait right now because its kinda urgent

[leaden turret]

then that'd be #1201555265942724758 but you'd probably have to wait longer than going into #1038092680493801533

[unkempt blade]

too lazy? that doesn't sound like the factory carts I know!

[leaden turret]

factory carts don't require fuel, so unlike pandas they're less prone to sit doing nothing but nomming on bamboo all day

[plucky chasm]

as a mid game should i use as much nodes as i can to the maximum?

[tranquil saffron]

so i just started building on a flat world, and the difference in performance is staggering. guess that environment and landscape is really what is doing most of the cooking on my gpu. this is really nice for big building

[plucky chasm]

great !

[unkempt blade]

By midgame the extra power cost from overclocking miners, etc is pretty minimal so there's no real downside to doing it. You also aren't really likely to run out of resources on a normal save though so it's kind of up to you

[plucky chasm]

capitalism it is then, thank you !

[ocean frost]

you will have more resources than you need so you dont need to use all of them,

[plucky chasm]

ooooooh i gt it

thats really true

i didnt need an incased industrial beam factory and ive gotten beyond what i need exploring

[ocean frost]

You want to work towards getting faster at exploiting new nodes, that can be with overclocks, blueprints and or faster recopies

[plucky chasm]

about blueprints im getting kinda confused i didnt really learn them yet

[ocean frost]

I think you also want to consider what you want to make locally and what you want to bring in. industrial beam is just concrete and Iron and only used in HMF

[plucky chasm]

but my biggest problem is smelting

[ocean frost]

make a blueprint of 8 smelters

[plucky chasm]

oooo

[ocean frost]

with all the belts, splitters and mergers and go from there

[plucky chasm]

yes yes

[reef basin]

Not much relevant how you use nodes. If you use e.g. 1200/min in total, you've still used 1200 out of the world max, no matter if it's from one node or five

[plucky chasm]

im gonna be importing quartz sam sulfur and caterium, most of the other nodes such as iron copper and limestone are cool

[plucky chasm]

i dont understand

whats the world max?

[ocean frost]

there are many ways to play make it your own

you will just face different challenges

[reef basin]

how much you can mine from the world at once, basically if you maxed all nodes

[plucky chasm]

sir yes sir 🫡

[plucky chasm]

that would be a lot lot lot

[reef basin]

yeah, unless you try really hard, you won't really run out of resources, so I wouldn't bother with "maxing a node"

use how much you need, don't limit yourself to maxing a node

[plucky chasm]

understood.

[ocean frost]

Most people when building in an area will max out the node before moving to the next node,

Comes in handy for the more rare nodes, or if the next copper iron or x node is 100s to 1000s of meters away

[plucky chasm]

oohhhhh

because i have a caterium node nerby, figured out pumping out 300 ingots a minute is cool until i saw a roadblock for smelting them

plus i dont need, so its sitting

[plucky chasm]

and bout meters, i honestly have no idea when to use a truck or a train or a tractor, they all seem to have different purposes yes and i feel like investing in trains directly is best for me

all until i stabilize my fuel and power supplies

[ocean frost]

I would use belts honestly

[silk ocean]

Diagonal track on foundations fills me with the dread from 1000 worlds

[ocean frost]

You can have rail on 45* angles and be on grid

[silk ocean]

Getting things aligned at the start is proving tricky xD

[ocean frost]

I use foundations like a checkerboard diagonal

And the triangles to make it straight

[ocean frost]

Trucks are still in beta if you ask me

[silk ocean]

Yea I'm aiming for the crosses where the foundations join, just the start is a bit... wobble xD

It's a disaster, going to abandon and go right angles xD

[frigid sluice]

I havent played since 1.0, is the constructor's animation still not fixed or is my save broken?

[silk ocean]

Wasn't aware it's broken

I am not very observant though xD

[reef basin]

right angles are overrated 😄

[silk ocean]

Problem with diagonal is I can't align it to the 45

One notch left or right puts it slightly off

[reef basin]

then don't do 45 either

[silk ocean]

47.5 or whatever it is, even worse xD

Hold the phone.... might have cracked it

[reef basin]

do "any angle I need" 😛

[silk ocean]

xD

[frigid sluice]

There's like a black box that teleports through the constructor. I think my save is broken

[silk ocean]

Yea I haven't seen that before

[silk ocean]

#screenshots message
"Close enough"

Bit of a wiggle going on

[hard ivy]

can't you just place rails starting and ending at the 45* angle?

[reef basin]

if you stop doing foundations on a grid, you'll have much easier time 😛

[hard ivy]

that has worked for me in the past

[silk ocean]

It's quite a long diagonal stretch, about 1km

Mouse wheeling seems to dodge the 45

[silk ocean]

Yea probably lol

[hard ivy]

no, you build a completely disconnected section at 45*, then just continue it. shouldn't require any rotation afterwards

this has definitely worked for me, but the last time I did diagonal rails was in U6. Maybe they messed something up in 1.1 or anywhere in-between

[silk ocean]

Hmmm yea that's a good idea.. I forget what it was like in U6, and I probably didn't do any diagonals back then either tbh

Better than th is situation, there is a perpetual small left/right wiggle

[trim sundial]

Does everything respawn? I am pretty positive ive gotten a harddrive from the same looking crash site in the same spot twice in a row.

[clever sandal]

how to play multiplayer

[white dawn]

Hard drives are not supposed to respawn; in the past there have been some game bugs which have made hard drives respawn, but it's unintentional

Foliage you destroy (via hand-gathering, chainsawing, or explosives) likewise does not respawn -- the only foliage which respawns are nuts and berries (assuming that the original plant is left behind and all you did was harvest the items)

[trim sundial]

Ok good to know its not intentional so i dont end up looking to rely on it, ever since i leanred two game changing altertnative recipes im determined to find more hard drives

[white dawn]

Yeah, alt recipes are great; I recommend collecting 'em all. :)

[trim sundial]

Like, ive pretty much forgotten my factory at the moment lol

[white dawn]

And while you're at it, you get spheres+sloops+DNA, so well worth the expeditions!

[placid dew]

just finished phase 3 ;D

[clever sandal]

👏

rispekt🥶

[trim sundial]

Im assuming you can only learn some ofthe alternative options, like i had a chance to learn alternative rotors or say alternative copper wires, when you pick one of those two you never get to get the alternative

[unkempt blade]

there are more drives you can find than there are alt recipes

[silk ocean]

You will do on another roll in future

[short root]

As the others noted, eventually, you will unlock all alternative recipes. You only chose "for the moment".

[hard ivy]

Imagine if taking one recipe locked you out of the other forever

[reef basin]

no, if you pick one, the other one can be rolled later. You can get all the recipes

[reef basin]

at least there would finally be reason to ask which recipe to pick

[silk ocean]

That would be death

[hard ivy]

Imagine getting HOR and DF on the same drive

And then you reacan to not lose either and now it's both recycled

[reef basin]

DPF for the rescue

[silk ocean]

Recycle loses both recipes forever?

What if trains squash you like Factorio

[shy mulch]

save scumming would become the norm 😛

[clever sandal]

wait can water stop flowing in a while without a pump

like if it is just on stable ground no uphills or downhills

[silk ocean]

Shouldn't do but you might get slosh

[reef basin]

pump only gives headlift (how high the fluid can go), otherwise water should reach anywhere (again, assuming enough headlift)

[hard ivy]

If you have a kilometer long pipe, it won't hurt to put a pump or 2 on it

But if it's a few hundred meters, it really shouldn't matter

[clever sandal]

more of a hundred meter pipeline

[silk ocean]

Yea I had to put a pump on a long pipe around my nuclear plant

Flow just dropped to zero after a while

[dusk iris]

Nuclear plant !!!! There is nuclear energy!!!! Wow this is so cool I am still at coal

[silk ocean]

There is nuclear yep xD

And oil in-between

[slender quest]

Also geothermal!

[white dawn]

And with enough dedication and decorating skill you could make a building which looks like it's producing hydroelectric power but actually isn't because that's not in the game!

<- coming in with the helpful suggestions today, apparently

[silk ocean]

Hide some coal generators inside the dam... voila

[slender quest]

Or an imitation of wind turbine, or a scaled copy of whatever other energy-producing thing.

[silk ocean]

Yea xD

[green fiber]

If it was going over the terrain then height is hard to estimate, might have exceedes the previous head lift.

Otherwise it might just take a long while to fill and ramp up to speed

[silk ocean]

It was entirely flat on foundations apart from a teeny rise towards the end to go over a belt

As soon as I plopped the pump things got moving but maybe if I waited longer it wouldn't be needed

[mortal ginkgo]

another proof that pumps solve all problems

[silk ocean]

or just placebo effect xD

[green fiber]

That little bump does affect things a lot. means the entire pipe before it has to fill completely without a pump to help it

[whole robin]

what are the odds of getting cooling systems from the lizard dogs? i have gotten like 40 so far from them

[silk ocean]

More of an effect than I estimated yea

[tame bobcat]

are smart splitters worth it?

[silk ocean]

Yea

[rancid flume]

anyone able to help me with highway designs? with/without train rails

both 1 and 2 lane inc/oncoming

hardest thing for me to come up with a design for, for absolutely no reason

[silk ocean]

If you have one at the start of your production flow and set one of the outputs to overflow, you can automatically sink any excess that isn't being used

[shy mulch]

the wiki has a list of all the items you can get and their chances

[keen light]

Nice, I finally got modeler to accept my recycled rubber/plastic production. I'm getting better at this thing.

[silk ocean]

This might sound crazy but I'm not producing enough nuclear waste

[keen light]

haha

[unkempt blade]

you need pre-nerf doggos to help you farm extra

[keen light]

Yea I remember some weirdness with nuclear at the end. I ended up not using some of the alt recipes.

[silk ocean]

Not reprocessing enough Plutonium xD

[silk ocean]

For sure XD

[shy mulch]

If I was to ever make a mod, I'd make construction doggos. Instead of giving you random items, they'd build random buildings. You'd just be zooming through your factory and whoa hang on where did that new particle accelerator come from

[keen light]

How many train cars can I have before I start needing to worry about going up hills?

[hard ivy]

4 wagons to 1 locomotive

though that depends on the hill too

4:1 is safe for 2m ramps

[keen light]

Ah right ty. Yea a smaller incline can handle more wagons, also inertia is a thing so if you have a big downhill it can go up a bit higher. I'd rather just not worry about it though.

[unkempt blade]

just skyroads it so everything is perfectly flat then you only ever need one locomotive

[sour ledge]

what's funny/sad is i don't skyroad things, but even trying to 'follow the terrain' the clipping that happens if you try to send anything down an area that isn't a natural path is so bad i end up paving over everything anyway...

[unkempt blade]

#dev-streams message I think he forgot the "repent vehicle-less sinners for the kingdom of factory carts is at hand!" part of the end being nigh

[unkempt blade]

yeah it can be tough unless you're leaving lots of space

[gentle lion]

So is that very south western part of the map.by the waterfalls ...Just basically a spot where you could build a big ass factory

I ran around it until I hit the don't go here message and it's pretty big area

[unkempt blade]

it's for rest and quiet meditation

[gentle lion]

😂

Also hover pack makes building a lot Eaiser

[unkempt blade]

it sure does!

[gentle lion]

As long as there is power

I'm filling out all I can on my fuel gens then going to figure out this aluminum stuff. Figure I'll need a bit of power

[rancid flume]

im soon to be stuck in to aluminium

i first need to set up my quartz, plastic and rubber stuffs tho once ive set up a highway

[unkempt blade]

you're both amazing talented people and I believe in you to do great things with aluminum

[rancid flume]

lies

[unkempt blade]

I would never lie about aluminum or your obvious greatness

[rancid flume]

the entirety of aluminium gives me nightmares that keep me up at night

[gentle lion]

Someone said sloppy alumina and pure alum ingot help with the setup is this true?

[unkempt blade]

Depends if you want to use silica or not. That's how you'd cut out silica from the setup

[rancid flume]

can train carriages partially empty their boxes

[gentle lion]

I think I need to automate Ai limiters , circuit boards , and high speed connectors ...seem like I need more of those now lol

[rancid flume]

i slapped AI limiters in with my quickwire

[red spear]

is there a bug or why do i keep falling out of the hypertube?

[gentle lion]

Hmm take my quick wire to copper or bring copper to quick wire 😂

[rancid flume]

i have iron wire it was brilliant

[gentle lion]

Oh I wonder if I have that one...🤔

[rancid flume]

cuz i had an iron node like right next to my caterium

gonna be making use of iron wire for my crystal oscilators soon

[gentle lion]

I have silicon circuit board so that one's easy ...

Now .
Lhogh speed connectors...

Well I.can haul quick wire over to my other spot on a conveyer and make all three in same area.

[unkempt blade]

Only 15 days until the year of the factory cart starts. Is everyone pumped?

[rancid flume]

fiinding new nodes to make a new batch of resources for something has helped me, too. if i need steel, but also iron and copper, ill make a new copper smeltry and truck it over to whereever the steel stuff is since itll have iron there too

rather than taking what i have already being have from my copper stuff for my own use

that way i can get whatever wire, cable, copper psheets i need for building off of impure nodes and save the good nodes for hgiher products

[plain sapphire]

Can I use blueprint to copy a factory that I have already built? (assuming it fits)

[gentle lion]

Yeah I should do that but I'm lazy lol

[rancid flume]

ive gotten lucky with my positioning and most nodes are in relatively close proximity where im just happy to take it over with a long pipe for water or a longer conveyor, but crystal oscilators is the first thing i would prefer at truck distances

[gentle lion]

I did build power and basic parts on the east coast when I went running around last week

[rancid flume]

so now im starting a highway with hypertubes for the sake of getting around then personally quicker

and for my first truck

[gentle lion]

I have one truck and 1 train lol

[rancid flume]

and ill probably try to find a way to put rails above the highway, assuming i can make it look good, junctions are hard...

might do it seperately. i need to put alot of time into being comfortable with a highway design lol

i also want to have the big power towers along it

[gentle lion]

Once I setup.my eastern power I booked up thoae towers along the coast until I met my furthest power station

[rancid flume]

my stuffs just running off of poorly placed power poles..

[gentle lion]

So I have power from west oil islands to coal on the east coast

[rancid flume]

i want to clean it up, especially since i like ziplining sometimes

zipline + a good fuel in the jetpack is quite fun

[gentle lion]

Yes it is.

[rancid flume]

i recently set up regular packaged fuel

straight into an inter depo

since i dont really have anything else for it, my trucks will prob run off coal? ill figure out if thats a bad idea

[gentle lion]

Packaged biofuel is bets for jetpack I think

[rancid flume]

i want to have a packaged biofuel setup eventually

but regular will do me for now, i can finally stop worrying about solid biofuel

i usually use the hoverpack tho

[gentle lion]

Yeah it's so nice now that I have it lol

[bold heron]

what u guys want for 1.2 ?

[reef basin]

nerfed RF

[wheat dagger]

Pilotable drones.

[wind siren]

wall mountedd splitters/mergers might be nice

[peak wasp]

hi

[upper saddle]

is there a shortcut that lets me delete a stack of items (or all of that item type like when you hold ctrl) in my inventory without dragging it to trash bin

when im decommissioning my old factorys i always find it incredibly annoying

[white dawn]

I know this doesn't actually address your question as-written, but you could always just not decommission your old factories

Why take the time to do it? Just leave 'em and build new instead. :)

(To answer the question more directly: I don't think so? Though at least now I believe dismantle crates get consolidated into a single crate, so you could always make use of that to streamline things a bit)

[red spear]

how do you rotate the pipeline junction in vertical direction? with scroll i just move horizontal

[reef basin]

snap to pipe

[red spear]

oh yeah thats it thanks