satisfactory

[short root]

Definitely a big NO. I mean, YES, you don't want to.

If it is clear what I mean.

[broken quarry]

almost at steel but these modular cube things are taking ages since I dont have a dedicated factory for them

[hard ivy]

Then build one

[broken quarry]

do I need one later game?

[short root]

Modular frames are really necessary later on, yes.

[hard ivy]

Though tbh if you're almost at steel, you can wait until you have some steel alts to make a proper factory

[broken quarry]

I only really need 50 to finish tier 3

[short root]

Yes, please play the game how you like it.

[hard ivy]

I always build garbage before steel because steel gives so many good alts

[short root]

Depends on how many ||Hard Drives|| you found, ofc.

But yes, the alts are a gamechanger quite often.

[broken quarry]

I got one from the ||Calender|| lol

found another at a crash site

[short root]

Keep going.

[versed cosmos]

Always more hard drives

[short root]

When you collect ||100|| you get an achivement.

[undone citrus]

This place is surprisingly calm for such a big server

[glad quest]

||penis||

[versed cosmos]

Too busy being ADA's favourite pioneer

[undone citrus]

True lmao

I just finished my starter Oil products factory and it took way too long for way too little output.

But I'm blaming that on my lack of knowledge

[short root]

It will become quicker from now on!

[undone citrus]

Hopefully

[short root]

I mean, it's a learning experience

[versed cosmos]

Oil is amazing

Best thing to work on imo

[undone citrus]

Only my second world, but my first time past phase 2. Got 170 hours on both my worlds combined

Still learning but advancing

[short root]

That's a solid playtime

[short root]

How far are you into the game?

[versed cosmos]

Getting into aluminium

[undone citrus]

The first 60 hours don't count 😭😭

I've barely played and going back to my old world already disgusts me

[dry vessel]

you see i already have a lil parking lot at anotherrr empty space i have on the first story 😭 have my lil carts il never touch

[undone citrus]

It was the first factory I decided not to make an ugly box

But that made it take longer 🫠

20 hours to make 200 rubber andd plastic a minute

[short root]

😂 I can relate, my first world also is something I stopped at one point and restarted from scratch, but the second playthrough then succeeded and since 1.0 I am in my third, which already finished the campaign, but I still have stuff I want to build.

[undone citrus]

I stopped after I started watching YouTube and getting new ideas. Old world was just too much and too ugly so I needed a fresh palette

I still built box factories for 100 hours, but they were pretty box factories

[short root]

In my opinion, the learning never stops in this game.

You get new ideas all the time and try them out.

And its fine to play the game like this.

[undone citrus]

I have visions for the future, and after dipping into real building I'm excited to try them

[smoky forge]

you again

[glad quest]

yes

[undone citrus]

I took my first factory design inspiration from Kibitz's Fuel plant in his most recent playthrough, just way smaller lol

[short root]

The YouTubers have some insane designs, this is still my weakness in this game.

[dense violet]

Kibitz doesn't have much to his design other than 'big', anyone could do it really

also don't copy his piping

I'd be very surprised if he got constant flow in his stuff

[short root]

I watch more the technical videos rather than the design videos, and mostly Total tbh, maybe this is my issue.

But my pipe work is fine

[dry vessel]

i progress so slow into this game.. 😭 started a new playthrough, im 50 hours in and im currently building my second factory

[dense violet]

no, totalxclipse has some solid generalist tips for design, main issue with him is he doesn't explain that planning out hte layouts of the machines and logistics is really important part of the design as well

at least I've never seen a video of his that covers that anyway

[short root]

It's a chill game, too. Don't feel stressed.

[dense violet]

you'll get tehre 🙂 and be faster and faster

[undone citrus]

I was the same. But I went right into trying a mega factory. If only I knew 😭

[dry vessel]

will admit i spent many hours driving around imy factory in tha factory cart

[short root]

True. And I mostly want my factories to produce stuff, so I don't take enough time in planning out the layout and it "evolves". But then, it also looks nicely evolved. So eventually, I am fine with the results.

[undone citrus]

I would have bought the earlier if I had a proper understanding of them

I thought they were like shopping carts

And didn't see a point to use ren whole tickets which took me like 7 hours at the time for something to put items in and move around lol

[dense violet]

thats exactly why I wait until I unlock every recipe and item first before doing fancy final fatories

[dry vessel]

i dont tend to build factories you can acutally walk through, but im doing that atm and i can finally put the factory cart to use

[short root]

I am at that point now, everything is unlocked. I am slowly trying to build better factories, but I think my main issue is that I still think too small to begin with. I scatter many isolated parts around a site in individual buildings and combine them eventually to the end product. But the isolated buildings don't look very harmonized yet, because I still try out different design styles.

[dense violet]

that's normal 🙂 you'll get a feel for it.
Having different sections of the factory on different grids (angles) can really help with looks too

[undone citrus]

That's my issue

I thought I built my oil factory pretty big but then I realized I only have room for 4 fuel generators

[short root]

Currently, my plan is, first get much power, then build freely. I am currently in a large nuclear setup utilizing one normal uranium node overclocked mk3 (i.e., 600/min) with recycling of uranium waste and eventual maybe partially ficsonium (not decided yet how much I will do due to SAM limits). I did this in my earlier playthrough already, so its not "new" (except the ficsonium part). Then I will have power and time for whatever fancy factories I have in mind.

[smoky forge]

elaborate "much power"

[undone citrus]

But now I have to build a fuel plant, so I'ma put it next to it and I think it will look cool

[dense violet]

build multiple floors
but more importantly plan out the foundations and number of floors in advance 🙂

[smoky forge]

considering you are past p5 1gw ain gna cut it

[undone citrus]

Would be easier if I wasn't dumb. I built it under one of those arch things

By the red forest

[dense violet]

should be able to do it all in ficsonium if you want, but I'd use the plutonium rods in drones instead

[short root]

In these cases, I build another floor on top. Happens to me sometimes.

[short root]

30 nuclear power plants for the start.

[dense violet]

everyone learns from their mistakes 🙂 my first big set up was hideous

[undone citrus]

I was too far along before I realized

So I just made it an odd shape. Posted it in the screenshots if you're curious

[short root]

I currently have around 40-50 GW I think and its very scarce

[smoky forge]

i suggest oil power because nuclear is very hard to manage at first

but you do you

[broken quarry]

what should I do first in tier 4?

[undone citrus]

Im excited to make more fuel gens

I'll have so much extra power for hours

Probably days of playtime

[short root]

It's beautiful. Much better than everything I did so far.

[smoky forge]

yeah... one factory of mine wich only uses 1200 oil is using like 30GW

and my bad i meant 1 TW

[undone citrus]

Thank you lol

[short root]

I have a rocket fuel plant with 80 power generators, I want nuclear now. 😁

[undone citrus]

My friend was telling me about his factory and he has more hours than me, but when I showed him my stuff he got sad cause "I'm supposed to be the noob"

[smoky forge]

im not gona flash you with my smal fuel gens plant but alr

(700)

[short root]

1 TW that's a different number. Yeah. Won't reach that any time soon.

[undone citrus]

How much is a TW

[short root]

I have an idea what happened now that I have seen your screenshot.

[smoky forge]

if you ever think about maximising all 2100 uranium on the map then have 1.9TW in mind because thats what you will get without ficsonium

[short root]

1 TW = 1000 GW = 1.000.000 MW afaik

[undone citrus]

I wish it was easier but it looks nice at least

Excited for my other friend to get back on, cause last time he joined my world I was at 60 hours. Now I'm at 115

[short root]

Yes but one 600 nuclear power plant already takes so much effort to build up and for all uranium, there is not enough SAM to reprocess into ficsonium, so I have to set priorities

[gentle lion]

Just building the last parts for phase 3, just got let it run for a bit , need 250 more of the modular engines

[short root]

Yeah building nice takes a lot of time

[smoky forge]

yeah i wasnt suggesting, i rather was stating a fun fact

but either way

you do you

[undone citrus]

I also like my coal plant, but it's just a fancy box

[short root]

Ah, my bad, yo!

[smoky forge]

idk man but i just love fuel gens, they are waste free and you can clip them together so that in a single blueprint you can fit 60 gens

[glad quest]

i cant stand his voice

[undone citrus]

Im glad the game came to console so I could try it but it's hard to find people to play with on Xbox

Only like 7 posts and half are German

[smoky forge]

me austrian

[undone citrus]

God damn it

I cant escape them

[dense violet]

you hate smooth english accents?

[smoky forge]

[smoky forge]

yo cobald, wasup

[undone citrus]

Over half my friend group is Australian lol, and I'm from Canada so it's just coincidence

[short root]

Fuel gens are great, I think they are the most power producing buildable that I ever built, but nuclear is a challenge that I talked once and it was immensily satisfying to make it work, so I am doing it again.

[glad quest]

im british myself and he doesnt sound british hes speaking in queens english and its forced

[short root]

I am German but have no Xbox

[undone citrus]

When I saw 625 MW I was surprised

[smoky forge]

u overclock?

[short root]

I like his voice, its good to understand

[undone citrus]

Yeah

[smoky forge]

eh... i dont

[undone citrus]

More condensed power

[smoky forge]

i see no reason to do so

[undone citrus]

Space

[dense violet]

good enunciation

[smoky forge]

i already have 60 fuel gens on one single blueprint

[undone citrus]

Especially early game

[smoky forge]

space efficent is me in person

[dense violet]

I get french people telling me I speak like old nobility becaues I learned off my great grandmother xD

[short root]

I don't overclock often. But when I do, I do.

[undone citrus]

I overclock constantly

[smoky forge]

[short root]

But I prefer non-overclocked power buildings, the more, the mightier it looks.

[undone citrus]

To get machines to their ratios without building more

And especially to boost my power

[smoky forge]

u love the recepie... the uh

dam i havent played satis for months

what do u craft out of slugs

[short root]

slooped power shards

[smoky forge]

aaah

power shards

[undone citrus]

I don't have the artificial power shard recipe yet

But yeah I'm slooping them

[smoky forge]

then why do you already love overclocking

[undone citrus]

Unlocked that halfway through my oil factory

[short root]

I have it but havn't build it yet but it's on my list right after the nuclear power plant.
Among other stuff...

[smoky forge]

u smart

[undone citrus]

Because it saves me hours in building

[smoky forge]

smart from the start

[undone citrus]

Without overcooking id easily have an extra 100 hours on my world

[short root]

With the nice building I get that totally

[smoky forge]

#screenshots message
i dont mind the hours lol

[undone citrus]

With that especially, but even before when I was doing boxes they took me 5-20 hours each

[undone citrus]

I like to be time efficient cause the faster I finish a project the sooner I can start another.

[short root]

Imo its totally legit. Everyone plays the game in their own way.

[smoky forge]

i want to be rather resorce efficient

i love playing a game i like for hours upon hours

[undone citrus]

It is resource efficient tho

It's smaller and consumes the same

[short root]

It consumes more power

[smoky forge]

no im talking about the time

[short root]

Do you underclock then?

[undone citrus]

That's why I sloop my power

[undone citrus]

Ah

[smoky forge]

and the resorce to product efficiency

[undone citrus]

Not sloop but overclock I mean

[short root]

The sloops are rather limited though. But I also do it a bit.

[smoky forge]

no, only when i have an already built blueprint

[undone citrus]

Yeah, was a typo

[smoky forge]

then i calculate how much percent i need to underclock when needed

if not remove a machine entirely

[undone citrus]

But power shards are abundant and became craft able too

[short root]

Ah I thought you mean the Alien Power Augmenter

[sour ledge]

honestly i find my main use for sloops is in getting manifolds filled up faster. If you have spare belt speed you can sloop the furnaces and stuff for a little while to get things kickstarted

[undone citrus]

Nah I'm only phase 3

[short root]

Tier 5 or 6? I think they are accessible then already.

[sour ledge]

especially useful for fuel generators imo; leave yourself some pipe capacity and you can quickly fill up all your generators+the pipes with some slooped producers

[broken quarry]

is bolted frame a good alt?

[undone citrus]

I meant finishing phase 3

[smoky forge]

i think its better than the original

[short root]

Nice idea, didn't do that tbh, I either slooped rare products that were tedious to build for faster unlocking the next tiers or now I shift them to Alien Power Augmenters.

[broken quarry]

its that or wet concrete

[smoky forge]

wet concreet

[short root]

Wet concrete is great

[smoky forge]

its the best recepie for limestone

[broken quarry]

Im barely starting tier 4

[smoky forge]

wet concreet will save you fr fr

[sour ledge]

i've used a couple augmenters but tbh by the time i have enough sloops to be throwing down augmenters, i've overdone power production already somewhere so augmenters are just making number go up without much use

[short root]

My nuclear power plant has wet concrete fr

[sour ledge]

though i have definitely blown a fuse and used augmenters to fill up batteries and get things kickstarted again 'cause i screwed up

[smoky forge]

do you have diluted fuel and heavy oil residue

(imo the best alts there are)

[broken quarry]

nope I dont know what those are lol I only have coal

[short root]

I am currently lacking power that I need for building my nuclear power plant, so I put Alien Power Augmenters down until it goes online so that my fuse stays in place

[undone citrus]

Im dumb I totally can unlock them

[mild shale]

I have four augmenters in my factory

[smoky forge]

get into fuel generators, they come straight from heaven

[broken quarry]

what tier is that?

[smoky forge]

[short root]

Now you can literally sloop youir power

[sour ledge]

ah yeah i tend to get weird with the diluted fuel like Mathematiker's talking about so by the time I'm adding nuclear it's more of a "Because glowy rock power is awesome" than a "I need power" situation

[smoky forge]

i dont remember, its like 6 maby

[broken quarry]

oof

[mild shale]

I'll eventually cut them down. I just like that they can push you and make you ragdoll lmao

[short root]

My 80 fuel gen rocket fuel plant is not enough due to the tier 8 and 9 power consumption increase

[short root]

That's the best part of them
I accidentially run into them for fun

[undone citrus]

If I can get trains up tonight before my friend joins he'll lose his mind lol

[smoky forge]

if u need help ill be in #1038092680493801533

[short root]

Actually, Satisfactory is a train sim game

[smoky forge]

real

[undone citrus]

Last time he was on I was producing 1500 MW of power

[smoky forge]

ah

so barely coal power

[undone citrus]

Nah. I suffer until I learn

[smoky forge]

not with path signals

[undone citrus]

Yeah I was running like 6 gens

[short root]

When it clicks, its easy

[smoky forge]

with path signals you suffer untill you learn from abother

[undone citrus]

I plan to. Id like to learn on my own so it's easier to understand tips later

[smoky forge]

yep, but before that it is banana logic

[undone citrus]

I've been pretty much blind this entire game

[smoky forge]

you will not learn on your own, trust me

[short root]

Playing on hard mode, brave...

How do you do fluids?

[undone citrus]

Given time I will

[smoky forge]

if you ever find yourselfe in a help channel, then just oing me

im bored enough to consume every train related ticket i see

[undone citrus]

For now I just connect them using one pipe and put pumps where needed. It's working currently at almost 100%

[smoky forge]

[short root]

My breath stopped for a moment.

[undone citrus]

I make sure it's not over it's through put

I've been doing math

[smoky forge]

no you do spell it throughput

i believe

[undone citrus]

Idk man lol

[short root]

I mean, if it works, it works. But if you have issues, you may search for the "Fluids Guide" and watch multiple YouTube videos on explaining fluids.

[undone citrus]

It's going well

[smoky forge]

did you discover pure iron recepie yet

[undone citrus]

Everything gets what it needs. All my machines are maxed, and my fluid packager is running a bit behind but it's just for excess so that's fine

[undone citrus]

Not yet

[smoky forge]

be prepared

[undone citrus]

I haven't been using the hard drives much yet

[smoky forge]

you will need water

[undone citrus]

Got like 12 saved

[smoky forge]

scan em

[undone citrus]

I have

[smoky forge]

you cant do anything wrong

[smoky forge]

oh in your library already?

[undone citrus]

Saving them cause I know more alts unlock the more I progress

[smoky forge]

alr das what i was going for

[undone citrus]

So doing most stuff vanilla unless I find an absolutely insane recipe

[smoky forge]

oil has some S tier ones

and ingots

[undone citrus]

I've got a couple plastic and rubber alts

[short root]

I don't want to spoil you too much, playing the game through vanilla eyes is something I will never experience again.

[smoky forge]

pure copper has a 2.5x item increase from the ore itselfe

[undone citrus]

But didn't touch them until I had messed around with them

Cause without knowledge I had no idea what they even improved

[smoky forge]

recycled?

[undone citrus]

I think so

[smoky forge]

lme tell you

with that recepie, you get from 1 oil, 3 plastic or rubber

i made a factory on the same spot twice, wich takes 1200 oil, and gives me 1600 plastic and 1600 rubber

wich is goated

[undone citrus]

Is automated wiring used outside of the space elevator

[smoky forge]

no

[short root]

No

[smoky forge]

space elevator parts stay in their place

[undone citrus]

Then Automated speed wiring alt is bad isnt it

[short root]

What about Nuclear Pasta

[smoky forge]

you will never need space elevator parts other than for more space elevator parts

[smoky forge]

i have not been playing for months, i dont remember that recepie

[short root]

You need it for Singularity Cells, it's the only "Space Elevator" part that is used in non-space-elevator parts.

[smoky forge]

thats not a space elevator part

thats a before product

[undone citrus]

Oh

I thought it was the automated wiring it needed in phase 2

[smoky forge]

wait what

[undone citrus]

Or am I just crazy

[smoky forge]

hold on im yappin

idk the recepies anymore

[short root]

It is. You need it for phase 4 and 5 in the space elevator.

[smoky forge]

man i needa play again

[short root]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Nuclear_Pasta

[undone citrus]

So it comes back

[smoky forge]

but for nuclwar oasta

u need a cell thingy and copper dust

[short root]

Its literally the only space elevator part that is also used in a non-space elevator part: singularity cells

[smoky forge]

right

ah, yeah could be

[short root]

Well not automated wiring, this part stays in the space-elevator loop. Nuclear pasta needs other parts

[smoky forge]

oh it realy is

[short root]

It struck me at first, too, but this is why I know this, because I looked it up as I was confused at first.

[smoky forge]

man my playing times were a long time ago already

anyways, its sleepy time

[short root]

True, for me, too.

[smoky forge]

goodbye

[short root]

You don't need it directly but as a part of something else in phase 3 and ongoing.

[broken quarry]

Im trying to design a modular frame factory and its not going well when do I get mk2 miners?

[short root]

It's always worth to automate it, but the alts depends on how much you want to build.

[short root]

"Tier 4 - Advanced Steel Production"

[broken quarry]

where do I start with tier 4 I just finished tier 3 and its tough

I only have Rplates going at 20/m

and rotors at 8/m

[short root]

Slowly, in your pace, and if you lack items, you build more factories, scale production, divide and conquer, explore and automate.

[rocky scarab]

consume

[short root]

And take a break if it starts to feel like work. We don't want to burn out.

[undone citrus]

I have acquired trains. I can now trolly problem

[broken quarry]

should I design with scale in mind? or just rebuild when I need more

[leaden turret]

this is not factorio, you can build up

[short root]

Trains are much fun but sometimes tedious to build.

[rocky scarab]

i'd say build as big as feels feasible, you won't regret it later, only during the process

[broken quarry]

wdym

[short root]

I would not recommend to rebuild but build more new, you can design with scale in mind but it has its limits due to belt speed and miner output in the earlier tiers.

[leaden turret]

if you run out of space, you can add another floor

[undone citrus]

Would you rather run over 5 doggos or 1 productive pioneer

[short root]

When you let your old factories run, they continue to supply you with resources.

[short root]

I would never intentionally run over my beloved doggos.

[rocky scarab]

productive pioneers will respawn (doggo's will too but the emotional damage never goes away)

[short root]

The pioneer survives this.

Yes.

[undone citrus]

Lol

[rocky scarab]

one backed away from me off a cliff today and i almost cried

[undone citrus]

Let's game it out launching doggos loaded with radioactive waste off cliffs

[short root]

Moreover, the doggos supply me with early late game resources to unlock stuff or get coupons, what has the pioneer done to me?

[undone citrus]

Oh yeah that emoji reminds me

I should unlock the cybertruck

Just to further mess with my friend

[short root]

Poor friend

[undone citrus]

I wonder if I can automate it

Probably not efficient but would be funny

[short root]

Gets a brand new cyber truck in... condition...

[short root]

I think not

[rocky scarab]

well, if the loop only includes right turns sure

or is it left?

[undone citrus]

I hope I can

I'ma also see if I can automate factory carts

Just for ambient movement

[short root]

afaik its a buildable like any vehicle

You can spam it though, maybe.

But I never did it.

[short root]

It was right according to the wiki.

[undone citrus]

I mean auto pilot

[short root]

Oh, I don't know if it drives... well... following a route...

[undone citrus]

If factory carts have a recording feature hopefully it will too

[rocky scarab]

sf autopilot better than teslas, should be fine

[short root]

I have never heard of someone autopiloting the cybertruck. I am lacking this information.

According to the wiki its possible to record routes. But I don't know if they can be driven.

Well. You will see.

[broken quarry]

if a node dosent say pure or normal what is it?

[real shale]

Impure maybe?

[undone citrus]

It works lmao

I now have a factory cart driving in an infinite circle

Theoretically if I just have 700 factory carts driving routes I don't need to fuel my vehicles

[short root]

That's some interesting vibes

[broken quarry]

ughhh I cant find any iron theyre all impure

[undone citrus]

I shall become josh

Who needs drones when carts are basically free

[rocky scarab]

take 'em anyway, miners are cheap

[short root]

I understood that reference

[undone citrus]

Lmao

[hard vale]

How do I properly use trains, when I only used belts until now?
I want to use trains to transport crude oil to all facilitys that need rubber, plastic, etc.
Now how does that work? How can I guarantee that enough items /min are transported? Its hard to get into trains lol
I have too many questions to write them all up here... Does anyone have tips on how to use trains and what mistakes i can avoid?

[broken quarry]

whats the rate vs a standard node?

[rocky scarab]

half, they're trash but not nothing

[short root]

If its a more complex topic, I would recommend that you create a #1038092680493801533 topic, there your conversation stays together.

[short root]

two impure make one normal, two normal make one pure. So one pure is four impure.

[undone citrus]

I find it funny I've unlocked trains but have instead gone back to even before the basics

[rocky scarab]

1- trains are awful for fluids. you generally want to process things down in-situ and then load them onto a train. if you can process into something that stacks more, or is more compact, it's always better. if you insist on using them for fluids then you'll need a long train or to package them up for shipping
2- you wanna have access to some good belts and always have industrial storage hooked up to both inputs (or outputs) on the stations you use
3- throughput is always a concern, but you can get 600/min out of a single car on a 3-4 minute loop (my personal rule of thumb) - if it's absolutely essential you can always split into several train cars/stations

[left mauve]

hey guys i made a little factory #screenshots message

[white dawn]

Trains aren't awful for fluids. In some situations (particularly gasses) you may want to set up a packaging loop, but even if you do fluid freight cars, the main thing is to just buffer the inputs/outputs properly

[left mauve]

it uses fluid trains

[white dawn]

Two designs for fluid buffers which should work just fine, fwiw: #design-and-architecture message + #design-and-architecture message

[left mauve]

ah nice i was wondering if something like that would work

this one just had a 160/m or so nitro train so I didn't need any buffers

[sour ledge]

alright i tried not to let this confuse me too much but its been half an hour and i still find myself trying to figure it out.

How do you end up with 80 rocket fuel generators? Not like, 'how so many' but how do you end up using that precise number. I tune my generators to 240% so they burn exactly 10/m, and that turns into multiples of 120 per 300 crude oil. But there's no crude oil node that gives out 200 to end up at 80, and im driving myself nuts how you ended up at 80

[hard ivy]

80 is not a particularly convenient number for gens at 100%

[sour ledge]

exactly. exactly. i can't figure out what overclock% or what would end with 80 generators

logically i know it doesn't really matter but i've fixated on it and its gonna drive me nuts lmao

[short root]

Okay hear me out, I have 3 blenders with 100 % on the alt nitro rocket fuel, producing 450/min rocket fuel. I take around 333.333 from that for exactly 80 gens and the remaining 116.667 are compressed by one packager into a bit less than 60 packaged rocket fuel. The packager does not run at 100 % efficiency and is using an overflow pipe that somehow works with the gas in combination with pumps and valves and don't ask me how, its more than 6 months ago that I built that, but it works and the 80 fuel gens are at 100 % and the packager is slightly below.

[left mauve]

my fuel plant is also a packaged turbofuel factory so i also have a nonstandard number of generators

[sour ledge]

im so fuckin' glad i asked 'cause i never once would have considered "Maybe he's just doing something weird with part of it"

[hard ivy]

I'd never mix fuel production for power and for packaging

[short root]

I just wanted one packager for the rocket fuel and the priority of the rest for the fuel gens.

[short root]

Glad I could help you, having unresolved questions is nuts. Fully appreciate that you asked!

[sour ledge]

im actually on the clock right now and this google sheet is littered with rocket fuel napkin math trying to find a way you could intuitively end up at 80 fuel gens

so i finally accepted that i was gonna have to know lol

[short root]

I had that concept in mind, it worked eventually. But it was maybe not undangerous.

[short root]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ujbMRFtkx8g5EXlg1cun

My base recipe, just take a bit from the packaging and you get 80 fuel plants. (Maybe click right on the Rocket Fuel tab)

[left mauve]

guys steam says cloud status up to date but when i start satisfactory it gives the unable to sync warning what do i do

[sour ledge]

i say i'd never do that, and i never really do, but:

I did make one exception to the no-mix rule of packaging/power gen. Sometimes I hook up a pipe into a packager thats fed by a storage container with a buncha containers, and ill have that feed directly into a dimensional depot. So it'll bleed off from my power gen the incredibly rare times i go through a whole stack of fuel

[left mauve]

i dont wanna build that long ass train i just built again

[sour ledge]

you're gonna have to build the train again.

(i dont really know that, no idea tbh)

[left mauve]

wanna see my sushi belt?

[hard ivy]

The benefit of trains is that you can reuse rails

[short root]

I just didn't want to build a second factory for packaging the rocket fuel at that time, so I came up with this in the hope that an overflow works with gases, and with pumps and valves it did.

[sour ledge]

im not gonna lie its a little horrifying but i feel much better having an answer lol

at least im not here chasing rainbows looking for that perfect node+overclock combination that landed at 80

[left mauve]

not if the rails disappear in a save file accident sadly

[hard mantle]

what are mercer spheres used for

[short root]

afaik I was limited by an impure sulfur node, the rest came organically.
With wanting that one packager. Although it was a bit much, a packager on a low percentage would have been enough.

[left mauve]

quantum nonsense

[rocky scarab]

Very very useful quantum nonsense

[undone citrus]

Okay so

[hard mantle]

im guesing late quantam nonsense? (literally just started)

[sour ledge]

whattayamean nonsense. ADA is using this game to try and show us the deeper layers of reality and y'all not appreciating it

[hard mantle]

but i know a lot abt the game

[undone citrus]

As a joke I just set up 50 factory carts on my truck route. But they're more efficient then my trucks lmao

[left mauve]

it takes a while before you can use them

[hard ivy]

You could've gotten over 1200 from 1 impure sulfur node lol

[sour ledge]

its pretty early, you'll research it in a thing called the "MAM" - keep an eye out for SAM ore and a thing called 'somersloops' as you explore, from there the uses will reveal themselves

[left mauve]

but yeah early mid game

[hard ivy]

Not really. You just need steel

[left mauve]

yeah that takes a while on the first playthrough lol

[sour ledge]

truthfully nowadays i speed run the mercer sphere and somersloop unlocks by getting the parts from shipwrecks 'cause living without is just no way to live...

[clear geyser]

Yo

[short root]

Not with my recipe, but it's fine.

[clear geyser]

Can someone be my friend please I’m on PlayStation

[hard mantle]

are somersloops those s shaped things that are pink and purple, i saw one ina video

[clear geyser]

Can I play wit u

[hard mantle]

uh no srry. i just wanna ply this alone.

[clear geyser]

Man alr

[left mauve]

id say steel is where the mid game starts basically

[hard mantle]

theres uh #1201555265942724758

[hard ivy]

I'd say oil is midgame

[hard mantle]

theres that channel

[clear geyser]

No one responds man

[undone citrus]

Bro

[clear geyser]

It’s highkey depressing

[undone citrus]

1230 steel Beams per minute from carts. That's 1030 more than what my trucks were doing

[hard mantle]

is there like a lizard doggo plush cause that dog is cute as hell

[left mauve]

yeah maybe

[clear geyser]

I play a game called industrialist which is very similar to this game

[limpid cairn]

Yes

[left mauve]

ck

[left mauve]

did the same this playthrough

or at least the first few

now doing the last ones with ionized fuel in the jetpack

[unkempt blade]

factory carts are also a great way to go around and collect spheres

[left mauve]

i love factory carts

[clear geyser]

If someone don’t wanna play I’m bouta rate this game ass fr

[left mauve]

@unkempt blade should i use a factory carts in my 1TW nuclear factory for transporting the fuel rods?

[limpid inlet]

unc wildin

[clear geyser]

So the game isn’t cross play I learned 🙁

[limpid inlet]

Mods, kill this guy

[dense violet]

huh?

[clear geyser]

Yo chill

[dense violet]

not between console and pc

[mild shale]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-mods-ban-discord-discord-mod-gif-15334941131278467005

[clear geyser]

Yeah it sucks cause I feel most of you on pc

[left mauve]

yeah true

are there even dedicated servers?

[dense violet]

not hte main issue, main issue is the vast majority of people don't want to play with randos

[clear geyser]

I’m having a hard time finding console players, the pc guys respond and inform me hey it’s not cross play and I’m like damn

[limpid cairn]

Yes

You need a lot of em tho

[mild shale]

Probably P2P if I had to guess

[clear geyser]

Yeah I get that but isn’t our generation supposed to be more initiative when gaming

[left mauve]

i play on a private server with my cousin sometimes, but im not gonna let a random guy from discord on my pc

[unkempt blade]

I get it dude. Loneliness is rough
🎶 All by myself
Don't wanna be
All by myself
Anymore 🎶

[dense violet]

innovative? there's a lot of issues with pc to console cross play , especially wit hgames like this

it might happen in the future but I wouldn't count on it

[clear geyser]

It’s rough bro, I just got back from Vermont cause work had me stay out in a air b & b for 9 days

[left mauve]

also i feel like for a lot of people this game is just their budget model train basement

[dense violet]

I'd never allow anyone else into my main map

[clear geyser]

No like you said people don’t really like playing with randos, but I’m following with why not team up bc we all the same generation

[mild shale]

That's actually a really good comparison

[clear geyser]

Initiate conversations and be friendly

[undone citrus]

Smart splitters are my favorite

[dense violet]

oh because I absolutely do not want anyone screwing around my save and factories

[undone citrus]

A painful 2000 points per minute shot up to 60k/min. I'm happy

[clear geyser]

Brother man I know I wouldn’t sabotage what you enjoy on your free time bc I work 10 hours a day and come home to have a few beers and enjoy myself

[mild shale]

They're great. Super helpful for organizing overflow

[unkempt blade]

Maybe you need to be vulnerable and tell people more about how you play satisfactory. I don't even know if you like screws recipes or what your favorite vehicle is yet so how can I know if we're compatible?

[dense violet]

oh not about sabotage, but about how you would absolutely be building the wrong things in the wrong spot in the wrong way 😛

[undone citrus]

Im super excited to build an Inventory sorter like from Minecraft

[dense violet]

how fucking dare you use up those caterium nodes like that

[unkempt blade]

true relationship ending material

[dense violet]

I have heard that if you play the game on game pass you can play with PC players that way? but not 100% sure on that

[undone citrus]

I wish I had people to play with on Xbox

[clear geyser]

I have been playing for two days and went to google to find the community today

[unkempt blade]

it's a really fun project in this game even if it's a little less necessary now that they added the dimensional depot

[clear geyser]

It’s apart of learning, I wouldn’t be defensive. I’d simply correct what was at fault and thank you for informing me brother

[mild shale]

I cannot imagine this game w/o the depot

[undone citrus]

Yeah

I'm not playing the game for full efficiency

[unkempt blade]

This is the way. Sandboxes can be whatever you want them to be

[undone citrus]

I want stuff to look cool. So I'll produce every item, even useless ones. And I'll use primitive storage set ups just for looks

And I'll occasionally use screws just cause the speedy belts are fun

[clear geyser]

Making mistakes, and progressing is all apart of being human, how we react, is apart of how we project and self interpret based off our fundamental building grounds/core memories growing up

[unkempt blade]

have you considered returning all the holiday presents you got for friends and family and buying every single one of them a copy of satisfactory instead?

[clear geyser]

No but I have split my tax returns amongst my parents for blessing me into this world

[dense violet]

that's the thing, it'd be impossible for you to not be at fault because I would have very explicit methods that would be essentially impossible to replicate unless we were continuously in some sort of Hive Mind

I want my world exactly how I want it xD

like there would be no way for you to do it right, through no fault of your own

[clear geyser]

Well then at that point it would be up to you to teach and fully push your methods amongst a specific individual so the can perceive what you want and be precise with what they output

[unkempt blade]

Make sure you dial in your tax withholding for next year. You gave the govt a interest free loan that you could have been earning money on to cash in for copies of satisfactory at the end of the year

[clear geyser]

This is a tax write off to begin with lmao

[dense violet]

physically no way for me to do that 🙁 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1318079364377743471/image.png?ex=6942e0d1&is=69418f51&hm=98284a59201c1cfac569a0ba1d6d4939ce0ce371bb824e82e05ebcae04657d55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[mild shale]

The government factory must grow

[dense violet]

Like if I could download what I wanted from people into their brains? totally.

[clear geyser]

If only we could

[mild shale]

Holy moly lmao

[undone citrus]

Id love to play with people

[dense violet]

And this isn't insult to you - I'm just trying to explain how many many people don't want anyone else messing with their world in any way

[clear geyser]

That’s some shit I can’t comprehend

[unkempt blade]

use subliminal messages in your factory

[undone citrus]

As long as they're competent enough and okayish at design

[clear geyser]

As of right now

[half atlas]

I love being an amazon worker!

[clear geyser]

U on console?

[dense violet]

I was learning how to do it as I was doing it through several steps xD

[undone citrus]

Xbox

[clear geyser]

Me fr, the 2 percent rule and process of elimination is amazing

Is Xbox and PlayStation able to play together

[dense violet]

yeah there were new techniques I was developing on the fly

[undone citrus]

Pretty sure

[sullen gull]

LIke, over a year ago... smh

[undone citrus]

Like most games that aren't cross platform usually consoles can at least play together

[clear geyser]

Developing your own techniques is another term for insight fabrication which is very implicitly in the field, for example construction work

Onsight^

Implacable

[dense violet]

yeah, the only times I've done MP in this game was in a couple already friends groups where we were mostly just screwing around in a new world.

and that never lasted long

there's other games better for that

[ember ridge]

dude, this isnt a dating site lmfao

[unkempt blade]

he's making friends online, that's basically the same thing 😄

[dense violet]

it's called Factry isn't it?

[clear geyser]

How to make a server guys?

For co op

[hard mantle]

you just need to add them on steam

[robust brook]

You make one

[dense violet]

Not 100% sure you can on console?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch dedicated server

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=dedicated+server

[dense violet]

if there's info on that it'd be there

[ember ridge]

how is it the same thing? not the same thing. feel free to expain

[unkempt blade]

swiping left - this person doesn't seem emotionally available for factory building

[ember ridge]

you're missing a syllable

[dense violet]

that's the joke. Tindr, grindr, ect

[sullen gull]

Any dedicated is going to be pc.. No console PC crossplay. Otherwise, when you do find someone to play with, you can find a connect link under session settings I believe (I don't have a console so not 100% sure)

[hard vale]

Can I use blueprints that are bigger than a normal mk3 blueprint designer on a vanilla server or is that blocked/forbidden?

like imported ones

[sullen gull]

They will work.

[zealous urchin]

i see what u did there

[ember ridge]

i dont use those, do you?

[sullen gull]

@hard vale , Extremely large ones will require a lot of materials though, so you may have to do some "hax" on the inventory slot amount

[hard vale]

I dont want to skip the building and calculating part, its just for cosmetical structures not the actual factories

[unkempt blade]

Not anymore. I'm in a long term commited relationship with factory carts now

[hard vale]

thanks tho 😄

[dense violet]

no, but that's why I called it Factry xD , just .. dw about it

[ember ridge]

oh gawd no, please dont make satisfactory a dating game thats the last thing i need

[unkempt blade]

That's cool, you're a "relationship status: it's complicated" kind of gamer

[rocky scarab]

psa: don't use a sushi belt for both your fuel rods and waste

[mild shale]

They're joking lmao

[zealous urchin]

[zealous urchin]

ragebait resist training

[left mauve]

dont listen to this

[unkempt blade]

it's good to play the field until you find the logistical solution that you fall in love with

gotta put yourself out there

[rocky scarab]

it very almost took out my power grid

[mild shale]

When you're ready to go steady, make sure you communicate which belt speed you're thinking of. Might want a mk. 3 type of thing and the other might not, y'know?

[hard ivy]

why the hell would you do that lmao

[left mauve]

@rocky scarab that thing about the underside of reactors glowing is pretty sick im gonna use that

[zealous urchin]

date idea, fisconium maxing

[left mauve]

but you gotta put everything on the same belt always thats the rules

[rocky scarab]

looking back on it idk what posessed me, i think space?

[mild shale]

Or coupon farming 👀

[left mauve]

see screenshots for an example

[left mauve]

i crashed my power grid by putting power shards on the sushi belt lol

[zealous urchin]

"sorry but if u cant handle me at my awesome shop coupon milestone speedrun u dont deserve me at my for fun automating"

[mild shale]

Dealbreaker fr

[left mauve]

@unkempt blade do you know the throughput of factory cart transport?

[dense violet]

like any vehicle it depends on stack size and trip time

and belt speed

[unkempt blade]

Depends on route length, stack size, and how many carts you're using. I did an experiment with concrete a while back #screenshots message

vehicle load/unload is based on the vehicle's inventory size so carts don't carry much but they unload much faster than other vehicles

[left mauve]

how many carts were you using there?

[left mauve]

oh thats nice

[unkempt blade]

Not really sure, it was a while ago. I just keep adding them until I see them queue if I need more throughput 😆

[left mauve]

yeah definitely viable for transporting fuel rods then

[unkempt blade]

that would be a larger number for longer routes

[left mauve]

at 60/min

[unkempt blade]

Yeah it'd handle that no problem. The actual limit is on the truck station and the belts you use with it

[left mauve]

yeah sure i was just asking to make sure the throughput isnt comically low

[dense violet]

just add more carts

[left mauve]

i didnt feel like having 500 carts in this factory

do they deadlock easily?

i had that with tractors on my first playthrough ages ago, ive only used trains and drones so far on this one

[unkempt blade]

I don't really notice them deadlock but vehicles tend to also fix themselves once you move out of range

[left mauve]

aight im gonna try them out thx

[dapper marten]

The respawn crash bug is still around, crazy

[fallow magnet]

Oh yea I saw the recycled rubber should I pick that up next time I get it

Yea honestly fuck fandom in general, hate how it’s used by so many game wikis. Love that satisfactory doesn’t use it anymore

[twilit peak]

I'm gonna cry

[fallow magnet]

Hey I had a question, my tractors keep on randomly stopping like one wil be out of fuel while the other is chill, they’re in separate stations but on same road with almost identical route, but they never seem to even be close when my other one stops, I have to like reload the path and turn autopilot on/off to get it moving again idk why

[bitter shuttle]

ive been hit with a terminal case of analysis paralysis when it comes to making my new base

[white dawn]

Once upon a time it was a reasonable place to host a wiki, if you didn't want to run your own software. There's always the chance that wiki.gg eventually succumbs to similar behavior as fandom, after all. Servers gotta be kept running, etc

[leaden turret]

if that happens, hopefully we can convince CSS to convince CSP to start hosting wikis 😛

[twilit peak]

I do want to make a mega factory, even if it's not necesary. I have the place, tips to begin building it? Any recomendations?

[sour ledge]

i wish we could... augment/power up ourselves more throughout game progression. Like full ironman style, install things to increase run speed and plasma cannons and stuff beyond blade runners/rifle/etc.

[bitter shuttle]

factorio sounds like your thing

[sour ledge]

i already have one factory game that randomly eats hundred of hours out of my life

another one and i'd have to retire.

[shrewd shell]

PFF i jumped into the alien power augmenter because yk, survival instincts of a wet rag, and i felt my heart beating after getting YEETED back

i got a high heart rate notif on my apple watch lol

[sour ledge]

because yk, survival instincts of a wet rag

I have never empathized with a statement more strongly.

[whole drum]

Would honestly not mind being able to make some armor in the earlier game that goes in the haz-mat suit's slot

[silk ocean]

Always surprised me there is no armor in this game

[bitter shuttle]

your armour is your giant concrete landscape

[silk ocean]

Considering it can get pretty hostile out in the wilds, there could do with being some imo

[sour ledge]

i made a blueprint 'cage' that i threw around mean hogs for a long while

the ones that kick rocks at you. i hated those for the longest time. still kinda do, early game.... but not enough to make blueprint cages.

[twilit peak]

Right...

[silk ocean]

72 Computers/min seems "adequate" for now xD

Barely... but adequate

[zealous urchin]

who are we ragebaiting today

what misery and lols do we cook up

[silk ocean]

Bwahahahaha 😈

The Gato of Christmas Past

[compact flicker]

Time to hand craft some more project parts

[small nexus]

Brother I barely make 6 per minute

[silk ocean]

In time you'll be making more than DELL xD

[small nexus]

true

[silk ocean]

Outrageous xD

[small nexus]

I'm workin on getting the golden nut statue

just using supercomputers

[compact flicker]

:3

[silk ocean]

As in using the supercomputers and Blender and 3D printing the said statue

or just chucking them in the shredder xD

[small nexus]

chuckin them

[silk ocean]

Even just moved a railway line to make way for another supercomputer manufacturer... that's how serious we are about compute in ZatieFac

[zealous urchin]

arent supercomputers like

u only need a few and literaly a few

[silk ocean]

Yea only making about 25/min

Maybe a bit less, 22/min, ish

[dense violet]

Depends on your needs 🙂

[silk ocean]

What's really secretly happening is we're just stealing the DRAM out of them and then popping them in the shredder xD

[proper hound]

Powersuit mod!
Super-Pioneer mod!

[compact flicker]

Rails segments should be longer -w-

[zealous urchin]

the f are u using those Scomps for

[limpid cairn]

Zatie do you even sleep?

[silk ocean]

Assembly Director System, Neural Quantum Processors

My sleeping is a bit random lately, just had 5 hours, prob sleep a bit in the day xD

[limpid cairn]

😭

[silk ocean]

I prefer to be awake in the nights XD

[compact flicker]

Samsies :3

Although I did just sleep for like 12 hours

[zealous urchin]

[limpid cairn]

Tbf that’s kinda peak time to be awake

I wish I could work from home at this time

[clear aspen]

chat should i get back into my satisfactory phase?

[silk ocean]

It's peaceful yea

[compact flicker]

Why did it end?

[clear aspen]

it calls to me but im demotivated to play it cause non of my friends do

any tips for staying motivated while playing solo?

[silk ocean]

Tap every resource on the map xD

[limpid cairn]

Do you also sometimes go outside and take a walk at 4 am?

[silk ocean]

Oh yea for sure

See the stars and venus and the moon, etc

Night is the boss

[zealous urchin]

go watch rock lee vs gara, if that doesnt get u motivated idk what could

[clear aspen]

or i could re-watch gurren laggan

[silk ocean]

It's also quiet walking around town, no cars, no pollution, no people... many benefits XD

87% less chance of being squashed by a bus

[broken quarry]

I like to believe that the ficsit suit does no damage but ficsit does

[silk ocean]

Alien world invaded, resources plundered, pollution and nuclear waste everywhere, trees nuked, native wildlife killed... YAH NO DAMAGE HERE MOVE ALONG xD

[round crown]

It's a sandbox game. So figure out projects to do. Or hell, just start playing. The game is built for you to kinda get addicted to the loop

[zealous urchin]

game is made to make me addicted to putting refineries and making them look nice

[silk ocean]

Aim for 110% efficiency

[zealous urchin]

bro i aim for 35% efficiency on a good day lol

[strong fiber]

Its beautiful #screenshots

[limpid cairn]

Pollution…?factorio…?

[strong fiber]

1920 aluminum scrap/min

[compact flicker]

Every day :3

[strong fiber]

Which will go into 32 smelters and produce 960 aluminum ingots❤️

no pure aluminum ingot recipe yet so gotta sink it

[zealous urchin]

u can get to shops when they open when there are no annoying ppl in them yet

[strong fiber]

Why is the water backing up

[white dawn]

Could be lots of reasons, but I'm guessing you're merging your "fresh" and "recycled/waste" water into the same set of pipes?

[silk ocean]

Yea in the doors at 8am xD

[hard mantle]

i just had a revolution

[strong fiber]

i will send in screenshots

[white dawn]

Nah, do it in #1038092680493801533 instead

[strong fiber]

ok

[white dawn]

If your question needs screenshots, #1038092680493801533 is by far the better place for 'em. :)

[hard mantle]

YOU CAN CONNECT MULTIPLE BIOMASS BURNERS INTO ONE POWERLINE SO YOU CAN HAVE LIKE 150 WATTS TO USE

before ikept building more biomass burners

since they only make 25, but you can connect multiple

[white dawn]

Yeah, not uncommon. Welcome to a unified power grid, though!

[broken quarry]

how much does a impure node give me I have 4 on a mk2 belt

[white dawn]

Check the miner and see! It tells you the exact extraction rate

[broken quarry]

is there somewhere I can look it up 1000m is pretty far

[white dawn]

I'd urge you to not really bother thinking of them in terms of impure/normal/pure; all that matters is the extraction rate (which can vary based on miner tier, clock settings, and is regulated by your max belt speed)

[broken quarry]

its not tho

impure nodes give less

I just dont know how much

[keen valley]

Is my game broken? I have tier 3 Hub, but I can't build a Miner (not the portable, the building). It's not in my build options.

[broken quarry]

tier 0?

[keen valley]

Hub is Tier 3 (going on 4).

I have only constructor and smelter as building options.

[broken quarry]

thats tier 0

hub upgrade 3?

[keen valley]

Hub has been upgraded 3 times.

[broken quarry]

you can build the equpment workshop by pressing Q then going to special

[keen valley]

It's NOT there.

I don't have a Miner as a buildable option.

[broken quarry]

the hanheld ones are made in the equipment workshop

[keen valley]

The two workshops, the smelter, the constructor and another HUB. That's it.

No... the BUILDING. That drills.

[broken quarry]

thats under production when pressing q

3.miners

[keen valley]

It's NOT there.

[broken quarry]

send a pic in #screenshots

[keen valley]

There is no 3.

[broken quarry]

you get it later its not until upgrade 5

the one from upgrade 1 is made in the equipment workshop

[keen valley]

Says Miner Mk1 is open at 0 level.

[broken quarry]

its hub upgrade 5

[white dawn]

fandom.com is old, outdated, and generally a trashfire, btw.

[fallow magnet]

It unlocks at upgrade 5

[white dawn]

Official wiki is https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/

[broken quarry]

ok so impure is 30 normal is 60 and pure is 120?

[compact flicker]

Impure = .5x yield
Normal = 1x yield
Pure = 2x yield

So for mk1 miners, yeah

[broken quarry]

oh its relative

[hard mantle]

the grass fields are so good except for the limestone why do the 2 closest nodes have to be impure

[broken quarry]

just throw 2 miners and merge them

[leaden turret]

wait until you need oil

[broken quarry]

coal even I went farrrr

[compact flicker]

arch :3

[hard mantle]

that would cross over what my factory currently is (limestone here -->) (FACTORY)(<-- limestone here)

[strong fiber]

When can you unlock the pure aluminum ingot recipe

[compact flicker]

Should be the same as when you unlock aluminum

[strong fiber]

Im just hella unlucky ig

[broken quarry]

limestone here > giant ramp bridge over factory < limestone here

[hard mantle]

i dont have foundatiosn yet but ill keep this in my

[broken quarry]

theres tons you get random alts all the time

[hard mantle]

i may just take the limestone node near my factory all the way to the one far away

[broken quarry]

technically you dont need them because conveyers could float but its 10x easier to just use foundations

[hard mantle]

why do people hate screws so much

[broken quarry]

because you need a LOT and conveyers max pretty quickly

[hard mantle]

is that why people talk about like those reinforced iron plate recipes that dont use screws?

[compact flicker]

Ye

[broken quarry]

for my current build screws use the majority https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1450684525536477375/image.png?ex=69436ebf&is=69421d3f&hm=bb65f0649e221c41e260f7ffc3346fa81609f61cf15547cbc32b25d0615d6eba&

[frail sleet]

because they don't understand how to use belts very well yet

(new players often decompress ingots to screws, then try to move/distribute them afterwards - rather than move/distribute, then turn them into screws with a module right before the consuming machine)

[whole drum]

Screw aren't that bad tbh

[hard mantle]

oh hi gilga

[compact flicker]

One of the recipes I have can use 625 screws/min

So.. Yeah no

[broken quarry]

Im maxing 2 mk2 builds and thats for 12 modular frame/min vs with an alt I could just use rods

[compact flicker]

I like steeled frame

[frail sleet]

The regular recipe doesn't use screws

[broken quarry]

it does for the rplates

[frail sleet]

ah ye

same principle, don't merge and distribute screws for multiple machines

distribute ingots, and make them into screws for one machine in front of that machine

RIP uses 60 screws per minute at 100% so even a mk.1 belt can handle it

[whole drum]

If your belts can't run it, just downclock the recipe

[broken quarry]

and reduce efficiency

[compact flicker]

I was just looking at one of the alts I have, I tend to avoid screws

[frail sleet]

You need the about the same amount of machines, just in different places - and you need fewer belts, since it's easier to move X ingots than X*4 screws

[broken quarry]

if you underclock it your part per minute goes down on that machine, no?

[frail sleet]

there's nothing about that method that forces you to underclock anything, it's just one option

[broken quarry]

gilga literally just said that tho??

point is screws are bad and alts are way better, get rid of screws as fast as possible.

[frail sleet]

gilga literally just said that tho??

Is my name gilga? Entirely different approach/argument

They are not exactly material inefficiency kings, but that has nothing to do with the hate which stems from difficulties transporting them when not understanding item compression and belt logistics very well yet.

[broken quarry]

but thats not the root of the issue 😭 the fact is even then you would still need to produce an insane ammount of screws when you could just use the rods and less constructors

[frail sleet]

60 per min isn't an insane amount to feed 1 machine, it fits on a mk.1 belt that can be 2 meters long

you feed the machines 12.5 ingots, and the assembler gets 60 screws. You don't really have to care about what happens in the interim.

You have a mk.2 belt? You can use one belt to feed 9 assembler modules of RIP's (45/min RIP) before your belt isn't moving enough ingots to keep up with the screws.

For smaller numbers like 20/min you can use that same ingot belt to provide all of the plates too, so ingots go in one side and RIP's come out the other. The only Mk.2 belt that you need is the singular iron ingot input belt.

[zealous urchin]

imo making things simpler makes it better as easier to plan and manage
getting rid of screws is making it alot simpler

[sullen gull]

It can be 3km long, still provides 60/min

[sullen gull]

You just think it does due to the hype

[zealous urchin]

yea i just think, what is that argument

[sullen gull]

Was a statement, not an argument.

[broken quarry]

ok but then you need the extra constructors to make the screws and thats double the work for nothing

[sullen gull]

If ya say so.

[zealous urchin]

its implying alot of things tho

[whole drum]

People exaggerate the difficulty of using screws. Whether you need to push 3/m or 300/m is the same as long as the belt can support it

[sullen gull]

No, It was in response to a single specific comment. So, whatever other implications you're referencing are your own

[sullen gull]

Or can figure out how to manage it given belt limitations at lower tiers.

That is the whole point of screws imo, How to manage high qty items

[zealous urchin]

its even worse from ur part then

[frail sleet]

The worst recipe is heavy modular frame using 240/min, but that is a very cursed recipe. You have mk.3 belt at that point, so you can still handle it, but the recipe is bad for other way more important reasons (it uses like 3x as many resources per min as the alt)

[sullen gull]

As I've said before, you never hear anyone bitching about quick wire, which has a similar high qty requirement.

[frail sleet]

Yeah, it applies to so many other items too like wire, quickwire, aluminum scrap.

You need to learn how item compression/decompression works (for example: easier to transport 100 ingots than 400 screws and you can choose which to do, so make a belt to distribute ingots, not screws). Also where it's appropriate or inappropriate to merge loads of belts together.

Once you have that knowledge, it's often easier to use high-quantity items than it is to avoid them.

[hard mantle]

thanks for that blueprint the other day btw

[compact flicker]

First death in 100~ days 😭 😭 😭 😭

[sullen gull]

Said that, more or less, after 😏

[hard mantle]

what did you even die to 😭

i cannot spell today wth

[compact flicker]

Im building a bridge over the void and ran out of jetpack fuel while placing pillars far down enough for the fog to hide the fact that there isn't a bottom to them

Good thing I play with keep inventory on :3

[whole drum]

The nice thing about it is that you can use it as a basis for a frame factory by just bringing extra rods to it

[hard mantle]

im not even there yet

[whole drum]

You will be soon

[hard mantle]

if i jumpstart biomass burners to get constructors to make biofuel will it then run automated with just a little less power output

[sullen gull]

Biomass will never be fully 'automated'. It will always require you to input leaves/wood/mycillia/remains manually.

[hard mantle]

well yeah but will the power be working if i kinda jumpstart it

[whole drum]

Yes

[hard mantle]

k ty

[sullen gull]

Not sure what you mean by 'jumpstart;? If you mean putting biomass directly into the generator, then yes... I think 😛

[broken quarry]

I had 12 bio burners before coal

[hard mantle]

yeah, im gonna have constructors making biofuel but to get those constructors running im gonna put biomass into the burners to fuel the constructors enough to make the biofuel

[sullen gull]

I always do 20 off the bat. Two levels of 10 😏

[dim flint]

You should be able to swap out the hazmat suit for a backpack which lets you teleport to a portal.

Also, why aren't there portals for items?

[broken quarry]

there is?

[compact flicker]

Logistics is like 80% of the game

[hard mantle]

there are???

[whole drum]

There would be no challenge left

[sullen gull]

Also, it's very benificial to research slooping as early as you can. A slooped [solid]biomass setup can take a huuuuge weight off of how much you have to harvest

[sullen gull]

Not for 'items'

[hard mantle]

ive been exploring but i havent found one of those yet

[dim flint]

I know, and by the time you have enough singularity cells to open a single 1200/min portal, you still have to think about the cost and logistics...

[broken quarry]

oh true

[dim flint]

I think it's a good idea.

[sullen gull]

You'll want to find some SAM first.

[sullen gull]

Hence why mods exisit 😏

[compact flicker]

Although you will need to find circuits at crash sites if you wanna make use of them while biomass is still being use

[dim flint]

Maybe I'll learn to make a mod for this.

[sullen gull]

Huh?

[compact flicker]

You need circuits to research the branch that allows you to use somersloop

[dim flint]

I bet making a modded backpack isn't actually too insane, except for actually building the model.

[sullen gull]

No you don't

You'll need SAM, Steel pipes, copper wire, and a somersloop

[compact flicker]

And 50 circuits

I am looking at the MAM right now lol

[sullen gull]

To research what exactly?>

[compact flicker]

#screenshots message

[hard mantle]

how do i tame a lizard doggo

[compact flicker]

Drop a paleberry kinda near it ans walk (walk, not run) backwards

[sullen gull]

Got it, I was only looking up to finding sloops with the scanner. My bad

[compact flicker]

It'll eat it and then run over to ya

[compact flicker]

Np, it happens :p

[hard mantle]

is there a hotkey to drop

[compact flicker]

No

[tiny sigil]

just drag it out

[sullen gull]

And, you can split stacks as well... Shift+right click (Hold for custom amount or once for half). Not sure about console.

[dim flint]

omg, hold for custom amount!

life changing.

[compact flicker]

Hold LT on the item and it brings up a controls list

[sullen gull]

Yeah/no, still miffed at the idea of trying to build with a controller lol. Noooooo thank you 😛

[compact flicker]

No choice for us console users 😭

[sullen gull]

Oh I know, More powwah to ya though 😛

[dim flint]

In this day and age I'm honestly surprised you can't plug a keyboard and mouse into a console.

[compact flicker]

You can.

[sullen gull]

I mean, I believe you can.... It's just wether or not the game supports it right?

[zealous urchin]

if this was allowed so many industries would die and jobs would be lost y know

[dim flint]

probably a bit more complex with the game engine support but IDK.

[compact flicker]

Microsoft and Sony just have to approve SatisFactory for K&M support for.. Some reason

[silk ocean]

I would literally explode if some corporation had to approve what I can plug into my PC xD

[sullen gull]

Heh, you should take a read on the crap behind HDMI 😏

[silk ocean]

That's why I use DisplayPort xD

DP is better anyway xD

[sullen gull]

In before the 'snickers' .... 😏

[reef basin]

that's not true at all

[broken quarry]

what the first or second comment?

[reef basin]

the one about screws

[teal geyser]

Why not the good ol' trusted Coaxial cables, like red, white and yellow?

[dim flint]

Does anyone know how the fuel/min numbers work when you have multiple drones going to one port?

[hard mantle]

alright i have "automated" solid biofuel creation into 5 different biomass burners that manages my factory so far

[strong fiber]

Im making 960 aluminum ingot/min

Two full 480 belts

[sullen gull]

Sure, make me feel like I am over doing it with 6k+ 🤣

[reef basin]

yeah, some screwless alts are "better" in some parameters, but they are definitely not always better, and even if you talk about resource efficiency, there's a screw-including recipe that is part of chain that has biggest weighted resource efficiency of all alternatives (copper rotor)

but there's no reason to "always evade screws". By all means, pick recipes that you like, but you should have reasons to pick those recipes, not just "it removes screws, it good"

[strong fiber]

Im only using the three bauxite nodes in the swamp because i did not want to deal with train throughput

[hard mantle]

wyat does bauxite even do

i found a rock but i only got 30 out of it

[strong fiber]

It makes aluminum

[reef basin]

things 🙂 if you don't have things yet unlocked, you don't need to worry about it

[sullen gull]

OH ... then I really am over doing ith with 12,300 (My tired ass read iron ingots for some reason) 🤣

[compact flicker]

Can lizard doggos be untamed?

[tulip tide]

yes, when they die

[compact flicker]

Do they respawn?

[hard mantle]

i mean you can use your xeno zapper..

[sullen gull]

I believe if you hurt them.

[strong fiber]

thats mean 💔

[hard mantle]

what else is she supposed to do 💔

[strong fiber]

keep them as friend

They are friend not foe

[hard mantle]

Vi put it in a box

[broken quarry]

arent they good for getting rid of nuclear waste?

[compact flicker]

I've had a doggo in a specific area tamed for most of thus save and now theres a doggo in the same area that isn't tamed and I cant find the tamed one 😭 😭 😭

[reef basin]

no

[hard mantle]

speaking of nuclear i got a nuclear nobelisk from ficsmas.

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-jump-jump-dont-eveonline-pubg-gif-14979603

[strong fiber]

let me feed my nuclear waste to my lizard doggo real quick

oops hes dead now

[broken quarry]

you'd think ficsit would let you recylce nuclear waste

[reef basin]

they do

[strong fiber]

Would 60/min aclad aluminum sheets be enough to make belts with

[hard mantle]

alr gn everyone

[strong fiber]

You can turn it into plutonium

[reef basin]

if you build at a speed that you'll use at most 60/min on average, then yes

[cunning glade]

How do y'all go about planning a train network or global network

[reef basin]

I wouldn't "plan a network", just build it naturally

[strong fiber]

Well if i made 60/min then the numbers would work out perfectly

and me love that

[cunning glade]

Fair that's my goal just like my brain freezes trying too think about it

[reef basin]

build a connection from A to B, then if you're building more connections, check if you can reuse parts of the network.

[cunning glade]

Ight trying too not just mega print a network this time

[reef basin]

don't stress about future, don't plan for future, build what you need now and build it simple

it's way better than any megaprint or any prebuild

[cunning glade]

Fair just need too figure out a good track design for blueprints

I wanna do a double layers network too

[reef basin]

that's independent of global network though 🙂

[cunning glade]

Wait what I mean so I don't have too like build it bit by bit by hand

[reef basin]

sure, but your first question was about global network 🙂

[cunning glade]

Ah fair

[reef basin]

just saying those two are independent of each other 😉

[cunning glade]

First I need too make the rubber and plastic I plan too train around

But that's the easy part tbh

Question is how much

But prolly 2k or more should be good for a while I'd think

[reef basin]

like 60/min is probably more than enough

possibly 15-30/min

[cunning glade]

What does one need for the plastic and rubber loop hor and recycled plastic and rubber am I missing anything

[reef basin]

diluted (packaged) fuel

[cunning glade]

Ah that I have that wait u do?

Do blenders cut out that part?

Cuz last time I did it with them I didn't need fuel at least I don't think

Or at least I didn't package it

[reef basin]

the blender variant is diluted fuel and is practically the same as diluted packaged fuel

[cunning glade]

But tools didn't tell me too

[cunning glade]

Ah I see okay

[zealous valley]

How can a pipe's flow rate go above 120 with only one water extractor?

[sullen gull]

He was saying diluted OR diluted packaged.

[reef basin]

pipe's max flow rate is above 120

[cunning glade]

Last time I did I think 600 a min cuz I didn't know the loop existed and that wasn't enough

[reef basin]

current flow rate depends on how much fluid you're putting into it and using

[reef basin]

how did you use more than 600 for building stuff?

[cunning glade]

After i upgraded that setup too 5600 a min

[cunning glade]

No this is too be trained around

[reef basin]

ah, I would wait with this until I know how much I need 🤷

[cunning glade]

I make a lot of rubber and plastic in big factory and then train around

[cunning glade]

Yeah but this way is more fun

[reef basin]

personally I would make it on demand rather trying to centralise it, as centralisation is tons of overhead and possible issues

but it's your choice 🤷

[cunning glade]

What possible issues

[whole robin]

#screenshots messageIs is there a specific way that pipes should meet to go into these coal generators, or is a single junction on the middle pipe the only thing i need?

[cunning glade]

I like over producing cuz more points a min

And it looks cooler

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[cunning glade]

And then I also don't have too worry about making more

And redoing in the future

[reef basin]

making too little or too much
having to transport it
having issues with "balancing" the production across multiple factories
burning out from building unnecessary things instead of progressing further
more logistics and resource tracking = more failure points

etc.

[cunning glade]

Also for the loop I should have rubber or whatevers being recycled be made first and not last cuz I did that last time and the loop took a very long time too start

[broken quarry]

I dont even know where to start with steel

[silk ocean]

Coal and Iron Ore xD

[reef basin]

start at the end product and work backwards 🙂

[sullen gull]

Coal and iron

[broken quarry]

yea just upgraded my coal to 800 mw and have 120 iron coming in

[cunning glade]

Transporting it is easy cuz trains and in the past balancing input between factorys hasn't caused me issues except for when I didn't make enough hence why I wanna start with more and I mean fair for the more points of error but I think I'll be fine

But I do see the points u mean and I feel like I already account for them

[reef basin]

again, it's your choice, I'm just listing issues many people have when centralising things

[cunning glade]

Ye I appreciate it

It just feels easier this way too me idk

Plus big Factory making a lot of things looks cool

[reef basin]

practically it's a bit harder, but everyone has different preferences 🤷

well, size of the factory doesn't change with building on demand tbh

[cunning glade]

Just need too figure out trains and like making a network idk why that stumps my brain so much

[reef basin]

for same amount of final products, you still build same amount of buildings, just separated differently

[reef basin]

again, don't think about "making a train network", just build rail from A to B

[cunning glade]

Yeah I'll try lol my brain loves thinking ahead

Cuz why think of what's now

Anyways dab time

[silk ocean]

Just build parallel tracks so you don't have to modify it in future if extending to a global network

[cunning glade]

I'm gonna do 4 tracks

[silk ocean]

(or adding another train)

Some busy sections I have 4 tracks yea

[cunning glade]

Top row for whatever and then bottom row for things that just have an a-b and can't be slowed down

I saw that recently really liked how it looked

[reef basin]

4 tracks is overkill, trains pick shortest route anyway so most likely 2 of them won't be used at all

[cunning glade]

Plus I'm probs gonna make a giant aluminum plant again

[silk ocean]

Usually I have bottom row for intersections, top row for high speed bypass

[cunning glade]

Overkill sure looks cool tho

[feral jay]

I could use 4 tracks if we had better signal logic

[reef basin]

and SF just doesn't reach the throughput that would necessitate 4 tracks imo

[feral jay]

Like as in express and collector lanes

[cunning glade]

Yk I don't understand signals but they work for me so I'm not complaining

[cunning glade]

Maybe but I might lol

Last time I had a 5600 aluminum plant I'll probs make something similar

[zealous urchin]

giving up on the game for hours bcs trying to solve an issue that wasnt there

[cunning glade]

Would be cool too keep the track less congested

[silk ocean]

Not so much when you have 100 trains in operation xD

And I have a helix down to the lower deck, so trains stay above unless they need to go down, longer route

[reef basin]

you'd still need to plan it very carefully to make it actually functional, due to the "trains pick shortest route" thing
and one train can carry so many cars that even 5600/min alu can still be carried by single train

[zealous valley]

Can you force a pipe to only flow one way?

[reef basin]

then I'd do separate systems or things like that. 4-track is still weird

[feral jay]

If trains could somehow detect which set of tracks is more congested and then use an inner lane then it could be useful but that's not gonna happen