satisfactory

[tall lantern]

phase 5 has the most mechanics to deal with, so that'd be the "hardest"

but since each phase builds on previous phases, it might not be as much of a step up

[whole drum]

Me too

[scenic mirage]

yeah im setting up all the "mini" factories for nuclear products like electromagnetic control rods and fused frames

[heavy pine]

Nuclear power is fairly complicated to set up, especially if you want to do it without letting radioactive waste pile up.

[whole drum]

Aluminum is probably the first "hard" hurdle the game throws at you, and then Nuclear is the biggest step up (imo, ofc). If you can handle Nuclear, you can handle what comes after.

[mortal ginkgo]

4 because its a giant setup. 5 is not THAT much if all you are interested is in finishing the game and not make ultra massive factory for the sake of yolo.

[scenic mirage]

gotta do aluminum and allat

[heavy pine]

Process the uranium waste into plutonium rods then sink the rods instead of feeding them into more reactors. Otherwise you end up with plutonium waste that has to be turned into ficsonium which is even more complicated

[scenic mirage]

im doing yolo 😛

[whole drum]

Aluminum isn't actually that hard--it just has quite a few steps.

[scenic mirage]

thats the goal 😄

[mortal ginkgo]

LORD HAVE MERCY UPON THEE SOUL FOR SUCH INNOCENCE BROTHERMAN

30/min BWD awaits.

[wind siren]

so why the no pics in this channel rule? 🙁

[whole drum]

No fun allowed.

[wind siren]

apparently

[mortal ginkgo]

"Safe Space", "Prevent Spammers", "My mom".

[scenic mirage]

it clogs up the chat and gets messy

[wind siren]

mom? lol

[scenic mirage]

a lot of ppl just post unrelated stuff too

[mortal ginkgo]

My mom can be anywhere, you never know.

But then, I dont remember a single time I am been here that "someone tried to spam with images".

[wind siren]

yeah, but no voice channels either?

not the first discord i've been on to not allow voice either :/

[mortal ginkgo]

thats not needed and hard to moderate because people are a bit too weak these days that "ur mom" is a direct insult sometimes.

[wind siren]

sad 🙁

[mortal ginkgo]

some servers do be like that sometimes but I have seen much worse. this server is "cool".

[whole drum]

Thank the Karens--they're the ones ruining society.

[wind siren]

hehe, i said that in the 70's 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

Lets not go off topic too much tho'. Cast Screws.

[wind siren]

14.4 modem into bbs's back in my day playing MUD's

[mortal ginkgo]

"back in my days" can go way too off topic tho'

[wind siren]

well, i was or would have liked some lets say design ideas when it came to approaching a blueprintable shall we say roadway/railway/powerway tower/span

although they always end up too tall for the printprint gridbox

[whole drum]

Probably #design-and-architecture is your jam

[mortal ginkgo]

there are tons in internet, even some blueprint setups in youtube etc

[wind siren]

yeah, still perusing alot really

trying to see if i can incorporate the newer tall power tower into the mix

[whole drum]

You can post pics in that channel and chat freely

[whole drum]

It's great for zipline

[wind siren]

yeah, found that out although the zipline is not as zippy as i would like

[whole drum]

Hypertube cannons it is, then

[wind siren]

bladErunners seem faster

[mortal ginkgo]

press right mouse click and enjoy. you dont need to do manual jumping etc

[wind siren]

yeah, cannons is my usual approach but not ready for placement yet

[whole drum]

Also, the sprint function works on the zipline, so make sure you aren't in "walk" mode while on it

[scenic mirage]

people aint weak for that being a direct insult, people weak for hearing thats insulting and not respecting it

its 2025 the least you can do is respect someones wishes

[mortal ginkgo]

thats, exactly what I mean.

it is not even an insult.

its 2025 and people are looking at it all wrong. 🤷‍♂️

[wind siren]

IMO, throatpunching needs to be legal 🙁

[whole drum]

I'd settle for mutual combat that is limited to non-grievous wounds/injury

[wind siren]

heh, so i am debating where/how to being my end game "base" build

[scenic mirage]

to you 😭 everyones different

[wind siren]

the dunes are simply not pretty enough IMO

[mortal ginkgo]

no u

[whole drum]

Either the place you think it would look the best, or the center of the map for convenience

[wind siren]

yeah, map center is my knee jerk goto...but wondering if like the mega waterfall might look better

do people still build over that?

[whole drum]

I've seen some here and there

[wind siren]

almost done with phase 2 tiers

[whole drum]

Nap time for me

Fully automated all the phase 2 PPs. Goal accomplished.

[wind siren]

too much hand crafting and spaghetti still with "minimal" power production

[whole drum]

Just make more power then

[wind siren]

i still got phase 3 elevator stuff to make

[heavy pine]

Pulled a nuke nobelisk out of the advent calendar, got me wondering how hard it would be to set up production for them, which got me wondering about setting up production for all the nobelisks. That's getting a bit complicated.

[wind siren]

i dont think i have all the alt recipes i want for hardcord fuel yet

[whole drum]

Anyway, catch you all later

[heavy pine]

And you can't really automate gas nobelisks since you can't really automate biomass production.

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont really need THAT one

[heavy pine]

Yeah, from what I can see the gas nobelisks are just farting with extra steps.

[mortal ginkgo]

some says they are good for hogs but then why are they a problem. Stingers are immune to poison so eh.

[heavy pine]

Especially since I play with lobotomized mobs that don't fight back. I actually made a little cage blueprint to plop down around them so I could keep them from running away when I go hunting.

[scenic mirage]

you dont rlly need to automate them tho, just gather enough biomass to fill up storages and connect a depot

[heavy pine]

On another note, how well does the SCIM copy/paste work? I've got something I built in a previous save that I'd like to copy to my current game, and of course we can't just make blueprints out of existing structures.

[mortal ginkgo]

delete all vertical splitter/mergers and elevators.

elevators cause game crash when deleted, vertical bois get misplaced etc

[heavy pine]

The object I want to copy is purely cosmetic; a bajillion 0.5m signs.

Though maybe I should just load up the old save and make a proper blueprint out of it, then I can copy that to new games and place it indefinitely.

I think it'll just fit in the Mk.3 blueprint designer. It's pretty tall.

Nope, too tall. I was doing the math wrong, somehow I thought the Mk.3 was 60m tall, not 48. So I'd have to split this into two pieces.

[remote pasture]

@ocean frost u there?

[heavy pine]

Took a while to build this thing in the first place. Roughly 3500 0.5m square signs.

This is what I'm looking to copy and/or make into a blueprint. #screenshots message

[scenic mirage]

wheres the normal uranium node on the edge of the red bamboo fields and eastern dune forest

[wind siren]

wow, um, wow

[scenic mirage]

?

[wind siren]

the rogue "statue"?

[scenic mirage]

wdym

[heavy pine]

The screenshot link I just posted

[wind siren]

wasnt replying to you :/

its a great poiece of work monsoon

[heavy pine]

Thanks. It was a labor of love, but not one that I necessarily want to do all over from scratch.

[wind siren]

i dont blame you 🙂

my ocd gets caught in the "why" of it all 😄

dumb question, but is map dead center 0,0?

[proud hill]

is there a shortcut for putting a bunch of constructors on standby? trying to fill up the manifold

[scenic mirage]

1% clock speed or click pause

[proud hill]

can i copy paste those settigs ?

[silk ocean]

Yea MMB

[scenic mirage]

ye ctrl c and ctrl v

[mortal ginkgo]

you cant copy paste "pause" and you shouldn't use that, it doesnt let machines get items in.

underclocking, you can

[heavy pine]

As for "why", let me steal a joke from Parks & Rec (which I've never actually watched, just seen this scene a few times). I love Rogue. Now, I'm afraid what you just heard was "Rogue is my favorite character, I'm a huge fan." What I said was "I love Rogue."

[scenic mirage]

you dont have to open the machines menu, just hover over it and paste

[silk ocean]

MMB when building machines to copy then place a replica

[proud hill]

ill copy the underclocking trick thx

[remote pasture]

Abyone here good with oil and oil power stations. I wanna see if what i built is good enough

[scenic mirage]

comparison is the thief of happiness

[remote pasture]

Got a screenshot and a video. Can you look at both?

[scenic mirage]

i mean yeah send it in #screenshots

huh

[scenic mirage]

avoid using fluid freight cars and build your stations off the main railway

[remote pasture]

Why avoid them?

[scenic mirage]

https://docs.ficsit.app/satisfactory-modding/latest/CommunityResources/TrainSignalGuide.html

theyre just inefficient, better to package them

its better to build whatever you're doing with the oil, at the oil nodes

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont need to avoid them. packaging items means better amount of carrying but comes with the cost of unpackaging setups etc.

[scenic mirage]

i mean yeah but its not that bad

but esp w oil its best to not transport it like that, just build your factory at the node

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[twin helm]

How the heck do you use the hypertube branch woth controller? I cant choose what direction i come out

[remote pasture]

Should mention iam playing on creative. So it only needs to keep running

[mortal ginkgo]

just yolo then

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf?2090cd
those pipes 😬

[remote pasture]

As long as it works, right?

[scenic mirage]

sure, but it can cause a lot of issues doing it that way. they dont work like conveyors and normal splitter manifolds

[remote pasture]

I just need to keep them running so belts and pipes looks good when build is done

[scenic mirage]

🤷‍♂️ then ya its good

if it does what you need it to, then its good '

everyone has different ways of playing the game, one way isnt more right than the other

[static dune]

hmm, time to try this game again, i think. what put me off before was trying to work out the math "this needs x amount, so i need y machine to supply it"

[scenic mirage]

the math is hard but def fun, tryna balance everything right

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a reason calculator websites are there

[remote pasture]

1 more pic for ya

[scenic mirage]

whatre you building

[remote pasture]

Idk yet tbh. I just wanna make a massive build that makes different stuff, though i do have all feed into sinks for now to keep belts/pipes going.

[scenic mirage]

fair enough lol

[remote pasture]

1 more thing to build before done with oil for now (rubber factory)

[glacial kestrel]

So i just dismantled the power augmenter (with a full inventory i guess) and i didn't get my sloops back. There's no crate. What can i do?

[mortal ginkgo]

they might have gone to another Dismantle Crate (that might be far too)

[scenic mirage]

theres a crate somewhere on the map, itll be in there. you can also reload your save to before you dismantled it and make a spot in your inventory

you might lose a little bit of progress depending on how often your autosave is tho

[analog holly]

theres nothing like a floor outlet is there, for cable

or can i just not find it?

[remote pasture]

@scenic mirage @mortal ginkgo what platform do you play on?

[proud hill]

do i have to press f at tractor stations when i setup paths for tractors?

[fading whale]

Just putting it out there in case anyone else didn't know.
When applying colors, you can use the same item- lock-switch (G) as use you use while selecting/dismantling stuff.
Makes it easier to apply colors to only a row of buildings and not also every 3'rd foundation.

[glacial kestrel]

I see, thank you. Reloading it fixed it

[peak wasp]

hello anyone can help me to find a valid satisfactory like game alternative? i have factorio and dyson sphere program

[fading whale]

Not as such. But if you lower a column down to floor level, you can place a wall/ceiling outlet on it.

[mortal ginkgo]

no, if you see the stop icon, you are good to go

[scenic mirage]

pc

[scenic mirage]

only wall

[analog holly]

thanks

[fading whale]

Pillar. Not column 🙂

[remote pasture]

Crap. Was gonna invite u to my save so u can look. But iam on ps5

[scenic mirage]

you arent rlly supposed to share save files in here anyway, #rules message

[remote pasture]

Ah nvm them. Wouldent work since iam on ps5

[peak wasp]

anyone can help me to find a valid satisfactory like game alternative? i have factorio and dyson sphere program

[keen light]

It's somewhat comforting to know that all these production calculators can't figure out recycled plastic/rubber either

[wind siren]

really depends what itch you are looking to scratch as DSP and factorio are prob the 2 closest to everything satisfactory has really

techtonica is similar in approach but not as "massive"

subnautica and its sequel maybe?

[keen light]

Check out nilhaus on youtube, he plays everything in this genre. I've only tried a few other factory games, but I think satisfactory wins over all. Other games might be better in one or more areas, but Satisfactory has more going on. Of the ones I've played factorio is the next best factory game.

there are a ton of forgettable factory games 🙁

[leaden turret]

just cos @void gorge can't stop talking about silksong and FFXIV doesn't mean they're anything like Satisfactory

[peak wasp]

i'm agree after try satisfactory, factorio and dyson is hard for me enjoy other game XD

[wind siren]

factorio has alot more clones imo

[sullen gull]

like so? #screenshots message

[wind siren]

desynched, captain of industry, and the crust to name a few

most go for a top down overlord approach whereas satisfactory puts you IN the world really

[keen light]

wait I just tried that and it doesn't work. First time using modeler, what am I doing wrong?

[wind siren]

Techtonica, Orebound, First dwarf are trying but dont do everything satisfactory does

i need to learn the moddler. I had used the other calc for so long but it didnt grow with me 🙁

[keen light]

maybe it's because I'm not using the blender recipe?

[sullen gull]

Check DM

[peak wasp]

desynced i watch but not understand if is good or no ahahah

[wind siren]

astro colony aint bad

[sullen gull]

Here is a good primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDBiaOFU0_I

[wind siren]

i havent played in 2 years and only have 414 hours in it so take what you will from that

[peak wasp]

no good XD

[wind siren]

its quite similar to factorio in approach

most of the ones i get to playing do alright in the early to mid game but fall flat as you mega expand or what have you

so, i got a question for you guys. when it comes to production thats not all encompassing, but rather item specific...what do you guys aim for as an acceptable rate? even for like the basic tier 1 stuff i suppose but like RIP on up

is the general aim to fill a mk1 belt to storage typical?

[leaden turret]

one machine's worth of a given recipe, unless it's concrete

[wind siren]

even when a single machine is 1-5 per minute rates?

[leaden turret]

aiming for 60upm of everything led to me considering building a 300m long train to supply a dual + twin single + injected manifold for HMFs

[wind siren]

yeah, anything with 4 inputs scares me rying to achieve 60pm

i sortof feel like i am finally ready to actually make my way to where i want my actual base build to happen. then its a matter of starting with IP and working my way towards feeding stuff to some kind of central storage

[leaden turret]

see also:

flashback to the time I finished building a 60upm Crystal Oscillator factory, went out hard drive hunting to celebrate & immediately unlocked a more efficient alt

[wind siren]

yeah, alts is what keeps me procrastinating

but i figure if nothing else i can build my "highway" which is simply static roadways/tubes/power

[strong fiber]

anybody know why i would need tons of rubber???

[unkempt blade]

depends on your recipe selections 😄

[keen light]

plastic is more used, but the main reason you need a ton of anything is a big factory, and as you get further along the requirements compound

[strong fiber]

ok

[keen light]

So maybe you only need 5 iron plates/min for random building, but later if you want 5 modular frames, you might need 10 just for that

and then it keeps going like that for every stage

[strong fiber]

im working on caterium factory rn

[versed cosmos]

180 ore/min into 4 smelters and then 5 constructors gives you 300 quickwire/min and keeps the numbers really easy to work with

[keen light]

The first caterium is very easy. Just convert all of it to ingots and make one or two constructors for quickwire. Then figure out the rest later when you want ai limiters or whatever.

[versed cosmos]

i think all recipes that use caterium need it as quickwire right?

[keen light]

hmm yea it's all quickwire

[versed cosmos]

so best to just turn it all into quickwire

[keen light]

But you don't really make parts that need quickwire until tier 5 and 6.

fair enough

At first you don't have belt capacity for it though

[versed cosmos]

yeah

[versed cosmos]

i just split one of those constructors and send half to a sink until i get mk4 belts

[keen light]

planning my big-ish computer factory now. It's the first one, so it's going to be computers, circuit boards, high-speed connectors, ai limiters, and crystal oscillators for building random stuff.

maybe I'll wait on the connectors for when I get the rifle going

[twin helm]

Sat with my nephews, the level of brainrot kids are at is actually baffling

[keen light]

lol

[hard ivy]

Depends on the recipes you use. There's plenty of things that can use it

[keen light]

I bet our parents felt the same way

rubber concrete is pretty great

[cunning glade]

How much fuel does a fuel gen use fully oced

[stone python]

multiply what it uses at 100% by 2.5

[cunning glade]

Idk what it uses yet

I haven't made le fuel

[strong fiber]

50/min

[cunning glade]

Sweet

[strong fiber]

20/min regularly

[cunning glade]

That's 64 gens then

[strong fiber]

40000 mws

[cunning glade]

Wait can I turn poly resin into power

[strong fiber]

nope

[cunning glade]

Frick

[fading whale]

I forgot. Does valves reset headlift?

[strong fiber]

You can sink it or turn it into plastic or rubber thats it i think

[fading whale]

And fabric. But that's it.

[stone python]

just for future reference, you can plop down a fuel gen and click the blinking fuel can icon in the top left and it will give you the burn rate of all the fuels it can burn

this goes for all power gen types

[cunning glade]

Wait it doesn't account for the canisters

[stone python]

what doesnt

[fading whale]

Canisters or not. The m3 burned is the same 🙂

[whole robin]

Is there any advice to take into account before I start a multiplayer server with complete beginners

[cunning glade]

The tools didn't account for me needing too also make so many canisters

[fading whale]

clears throat
BACKUP
YOUR
SAVES

I think this has been mentioned on other occasions too 😄

[cunning glade]

Okay so using 1200 oil for power isn't realistic then

[stone python]

did you use the right item? cause packaged fuel and fuel are different things

[cunning glade]

Nvm

The loop makes them out of thin air ig

But it would need packaged water too kick start it I think

[fading whale]

In most setups, you would move empty cans from the un-packager to the packager. So once you have enough, you don't need to make more.

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=YTRRVM7kbX9AlTyUKHSH

[stone python]

the canisters arent made out of thing air, theyre reusable

so you have to make them to start

[fading whale]

So it's a one-time expense in the beginning.

[cunning glade]

Yes I see that now ight

[fading whale]

When I build my setup that required canisters, I diverted oil to a couple of temp constructers that was clocked and slooped to mass produce canisters. Enough to feed my loop (fed through a storage container with a few stacks extra for buffering). Once done, oil was put back into main production.

[honest sleet]

where do i find save files

[keen light]

if you're on windows go to %appdata% in your file explorer, then go up 1 level, go to local, go to factorygame, then savedgames, etc

[fading whale]

%localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\

[keen light]

it's really a shame we don't get blueprints a bit earlier. Would be nice to make coal plants with them.

[sour ledge]

y'know, there are a lot of satisfying things in this game... but getting your powerline perfectly flat with a 3600 rocket fuel power generator array, everything perfectly saturated at 100% uptime.... that's definitely up there on the list of satisfying moments

[idle glen]

is it normal for the screen that's in front of you when creating a new save to be compleatly black? like theres nothing on it

[soft marsh]

Damn, these drones absolutely eat through fuel

[versed cosmos]

you dont have anything with variable power usd but you have rocket fuel?

[sour ledge]

i scrapped everything else to enjoy the moment.

that and i abuse the heck out of sinks

[versed cosmos]

damn ok

[sour ledge]

geysers are the only thing i had that were forcing it to wiggle, anyway

[versed cosmos]

i think sinks use constant power

[sour ledge]

and with that kind of power gen their contribution was garbage

[fading whale]

Fly around your base with a jetpack. I dare ya.

[sour ledge]

i fly around my base with a jetpack all the time

[fading whale]

You have power relay switches?

[sour ledge]

i think you're thinking of the hoverpack 😉

[versed cosmos]

hoverpack my beloved

[fading whale]

Well yeah. That one.

[sour ledge]

yeah ill have to give up on my power consumption being perfectly flat here but

power production is the real battle, anyway

besides i could only let it go perfectly flat for a little bit - trains use variable power and i had to turn 'em all off, but without my trains i cant get the items to the fuel lol

[cinder jay]

do you need adaptive controll units once you get them for the space elivator?

[sour ledge]

they're a material for later space elevator parts in phase 4/5, so yes, but still in limited amounts

basically every space elevator part in earlier phases is also used in later phases to make the next level of part

[strong fiber]

You just need empty canisters to jumpstart it then it will recycle them

[idle glen]

yo, where can I report bugs related to the game?

[cinder jay]

oh ok thank you

[fading whale]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

Search a bit to see if others have reported the same bug. If so, upvote those instead of making a new post about the same bug.

[meager kiln]

is there a train schedule primer somewhere? trying to figure out an easy way to have 1 train make multiple stops just dropping off like a stack or two at each

[idle glen]

ye so, google flagged this site as unsafe

[silk ocean]

No it doesn't?

[idle glen]

for me it does

[silk ocean]

Well it's not Google, it's indexed and valid

[keen light]

probably the https, it's the real site don't worry

[silk ocean]

Sure your system clock is correct

[fading whale]

That's a matter between Google and the internet Gods 🙂
If you google "satisfactory bug report" the top result is that site.

[silk ocean]

Indexed, valid certificate

[leaden turret]

!qasite

[leaden turret]

Issued On Thursday, November 20, 2025 at 12:19:47 PM
Expires On Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 12:19:46 PM

nu.... https should be fine...

[keen light]

I'm not sure what that is, just that the s sometimes causes issues. If it's not that, then good.

[leaden turret]

it's possible that there might've been an influx of spam that tanked the reputation of the domain 😅

[silk ocean]

Sounds more like some extension / addon / anti-virus

[fading whale]

So either Google is wrong in this case. Or everyone on Discord are port of the conspiracy.
I'd argue both are equally valid options.

[idle glen]

man, the terrain is so buggy, half of the map is just ghost rocks and cliffs

[idle glen]

floating bushes and ore deposits

[sour ledge]

TBF, if someone asked me to be part of a conspiracy to redirect people with bugs to a phishing site... im not sure i'd say no....

[mortal ginkgo]

I think one reason might be alone is that, whenever devs updated the maps, everything respawned so...

I don't think terain data is something can be solely edited.

[idle glen]

I mean, literally half of the map is just ghost terrain

[leaden turret]

either your game is borked or you've landed in out of bounds

[keen light]

Is the terrain buggy after restarting the game?

I have a few weird terrain bugs, but it's minor. Specifically there is some invisible water near the geysers.

[hard ivy]

Are we playing the same game?

[idle glen]

man now I see giant rock triangles sticking out of cliffs

it looks so low polley

If I could I'd send a screenshot here, but I cant

[tight crystal]

The big triangles happen for me when stuff is far away and my PC needs time to render everything

[open viper]

Hey guys was infinite conveyer lift fixed in any of the recent updates?

[cinder jay]

how many trees should i have to have everything run smoothly?

[reef basin]

depends how many gifts/min you need

[twin helm]

Question, if i was to join a friends end game world, could i use that to get trophies easy, i dont plan to but ive been wondering for a while, or are trophies only unlocked via your own world

[cinder jay]

i dont know i js want it all to run smoothly

[idle glen]

in the new world everything is fine, looks like that one was broken or smh

[fading whale]

If you max out a 3 belt, you should be fine. That's 18 trees. But all depends on how fast you want everything to go.

[twin helm]

Is there a way to automate the ficsmas or do you gotta run around collecting presents?

[wind siren]

the gift tree produces presents

[twin helm]

Aw whattt

I gotta pay more attention to these things

[reef basin]

well for it to run "smoothly", you'll need to know how much you need

[cinder jay]

oh ok

[wind siren]

the giant tree is just decor the other tree is needed for automation

then you add in irona nd copper ingots for the silver and gold balls

i'm stuck atm for the day 14 data crafting :/

[fading whale]

You unlock it in the MAM. "FICMAS Gift Tree".
On the right side it's second from the top.

[wind siren]

i need to do upgrade 3 for the tree

[twin helm]

Ahhhh

[wind siren]

the question though is can i rebuild this later after xmas if i move/rebuild my main base 😄

[fading whale]

You research it with branches. Red balls. And Blue balls (there may be some left from last month).

[reef basin]

why would you want to move/rebuild things? 🤔

[wind siren]

to defeat the great spaghetti monster of course 😄

i literally just threw stuff down this time for the event

[fading whale]

No. You keep all items and everything that is build. But the FICMAS options from the build-menu goes away.

[reef basin]

keep old, build new

[bold heron]

whats the starting area whit the most copper ?

[wind siren]

dont they all have the same mix of nodes?

[reef basin]

hard to answer, as there's no border of where the area "ends"

[wind siren]

well, that too i suppose

[fading whale]

Dammit.
I'm at four hours of the two I hours I had set aside this afternoon. 😔
Should probably get some food n' stuff.

[bold heron]

i would need like 434 copper for my t1/2 factory so i wonder where i could get that.

[silent dust]

It starts at 4 hours, then you're going until midnight trying to just ... get... one .... last thing done

[wind siren]

oh no no, that never happens 🙂

whats disappointing is he game telling to take a break every couple hours till i guess it resets after 24 hours runtime? 😄

[keen light]

no 15 minute gaming sessions here, if I have less than an hour I'm just staring at the production calculator

[fading whale]

Oh I know. Been at it since U3 😂

[silent dust]

Exactly haha

I wish I would have found this game earlier. Started in... 2020 or so?

[leaden turret]

I used to do 15-20 minute streams on my lunch break 😅

[wind siren]

pretty sure i started at about the beginning it dropped for beta

2700ish hours total thru the epic launcher by now

[keen light]

nice

[wind siren]

i remember coal being end game power long before crude or nuke options 😄

[gentle lion]

Got a cool screenshot while exploring
#screenshots message

[reef basin]

well nothing says you need to build that in a starting location

[silent dust]

434 Copper/minute? Pretty much any one will be fine and should have copper RIGHT THERE.

At least if you're planning within Mk4 belts.

[wind siren]

i got 6 normal copper in the dunes start area just as an example

and 4 more just southish

[gentle lion]

I have found so many hard drives I have ateast 20 to 25 opened so I'm getting recipes I've never seen

How many alt recipes are there total?

[wind siren]

120ish?

or is that total drives?

[silent dust]

That's total HDs

It's 113 recipes

[wind siren]

theres like 4 or 6 options for more inventory space i think in the drive research

[silent dust]

some inventory upgrades make up the difference if I remember right

yep

[gentle lion]

I have one opened thag I could choose +6 or some random recipe

[wind siren]

they took compacted coal and turbo fuel out of the randoms and put them in the tree requiring a drive

what are the absolute must have alt recipes?

[silent dust]

Kind of depends on your building strategy and where you put your factories

Mid-game, may vary depending on how you want to deal with steel

[gentle lion]

Oh wet concrete that seema nice just add literal water and make socuh more.

[wind siren]

i know for a while i went for all the alts to eliminate screws

and the pure ingot recipes arent bad

[silent dust]

Wet concrete, sloppy alumina, solid steel ingot, heavy fuel residue I think are pretty standard for me

[wind siren]

i think there's an aluminum alt you really need

[gentle lion]

Doesn't steel screws make an ungodly amount of screws per min

[wind siren]

screws overwhelm the belts too much IMO

[silent dust]

Yes it does, you'll be scaled out of belts long before you are screws with that one

[wind siren]

the encased pipe recipe is nice to have too

[gentle lion]

Do alts show up for things not unlocked

[gentle lion]

I have iron pipes and encased pipe.

Helps when no coal is around

[silent dust]

No. At some point, you'll max out on uploaded hard drives until you unlock the next tier of stuff.

[wind siren]

ive heard people say iron wire is a must have. not sure i ever had a copper shortage

[cyan prism]

Yes
In my current game I'm using steel screws + bolted iron plate
Sooo many reinforced iron plates 😄

[silent dust]

I'm using Iron Wire in my first 'dedicated' factory for Motors in the Grassy Fields.

[wind siren]

no copper nearby make that choice?

[gentle lion]

Ah OK I need to finish whichever unlocks teir 7 I keep getting sidetracked

I do need to head back and uograde dimensional Depot I have about 40 Mercer spheres I can get another speed and storage increase

[cyan prism]

And the best part is that steel screws doesn't actually take that much steel - I think 1/3 of a normal node worth?

[hard ivy]

it's still more than stitched plate + iron wire. which takes 0 steel. and less iron

[cyan prism]

Well yeah
But I got steel screws and bolted plate first
You work with what you got 😄

[reef basin]

well you can also not use a recipe

but steel screws are indeed saving tons of iron

[cyan prism]

I'm in the dune desert, which has several places with coal and iron near each other, so setting up steel is no biggie

[versed cosmos]

wait iron wire+ stitched wire costs less iron than normal plates?

i just kinda assumed iron wire was more expensive

[hard ivy]

you should never assume anything about a recipe

that's how we get so many people burning turbofuel for power

[versed cosmos]

better to make rocket fuel right?

[hard ivy]

I would go from fuel directly to rocket, yes

[wind siren]

rocketfuel is a new thing to me 😄

[hard ivy]

turbo is very much a sidegrade to fuel

[dreamy shoal]

Could I get assistance? there's no power switch on my power things...

[wind siren]

i never really went turbofuel before rocketfuel existed

[dreamy shoal]

even though the power is off

[reef basin]

"better" is very subjective 🙂

[versed cosmos]

oh yeah ofc

[wind siren]

i thought the better option was how do i do this using less power

[versed cosmos]

the only time you want to think about conserving power is whdn youre still on biofuel and MAYBE coal

think about making more power, not using less

[wind siren]

depends if you're at capacity and have to either use power wisely or spend hours and hours building more fuel 😄

[reef basin]

well, not really. Since each fuel uses different resources (also depending on recipes), so more relevant (imo) thing is to decide which resources are you fine to use for making given fuel

[compact hollow]

why is there no channel for bug reporting?

[hard ivy]

bc there is a site for that

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @hard ivy

[wind siren]

because there are no bugs 😄

is there an easy way to see my altitude? map doesnt seem to show it

[versed cosmos]

no bugs, just happy little features

[leaden turret]

scim (linked in #welcome ) if you're on PC

[dreamy shoal]

i had a power grid that wasnt able to turn because the other power grid was still functioning

[wind siren]

dont you have to constantly upload/update your save for it to parse data?

[hard ivy]

I think it's somewhere in the debug menu

[leaden turret]

yeah, if you're wanting to check your altitude while exploring.

if you're just wanting to check your altitude in your factory, you only need to do it once per facility and just do math + add signs to remind you 😅

[hard ivy]

open console with ~ and type in showDebug or something along those lines

[inner thicket]

@sullen gull What Program is that? #screenshots

[versed cosmos]

i think that's satisfactory modeller

[scenic mirage]

ye thats modeler

[reef basin]

indeed, a very manual planner, mostly focused on logistics and such

[fallow bay]

anyone able to help me with a train junction setup? I cant post pictures so anyone who knows more than me dm me :)

[scenic mirage]

#1038092680493801533

[reef basin]

you can post them, if you post in proper channel

like #1038092680493801533 , yeah

[inner thicket]

ok thx i will do it next time

[mortal tree]

whats the best items to buy in awsome shop?

[limpid inlet]

the 67 cup

[reef basin]

I wouldn't buy any, automation is a permanent solution 🙂

[solid silo]

helo can i ask a question

[versed cosmos]

concrete foundations are pretty nice

[hard ivy]

Everything that's an unlock and nothing that's a consumable

[scenic mirage]

i like how things just stay where they are when you move it. sftools is just kinda hard to follow

[versed cosmos]

NO

[solid silo]

pls

[versed cosmos]

lmao yes

[scenic mirage]

no sorry thats not allowed here

[limpid inlet]

Wait you get the stuff that makes your factory look nice from AWESOME shop?

[solid silo]

😭😭

[reef basin]

in SFTools they also stay where you move it 🤔

[versed cosmos]

satisfactory tools is so good

[solid silo]

how many water extractors do i need for 8 coal plants

i cant calculate

[reef basin]

check how much coal gen needs, check how much water extractor makes

[solid silo]

oh thats smart

[versed cosmos]

shoutout the guy who made that website

[scenic mirage]

i mean like on sftools if you have things set the way you want but theres one recipe you wanna exclude then it just throws everything back to the default spot

[reef basin]

well usually you have different graph by that point, so it's not really possible for things to stay in "original locations"

[scenic mirage]

i mean valid idk i just like modeler, i can just set things where i wanna and it shows exact clock speeds and stuff

and you can adjust overclocks and sloops

sftools is cool tho it just aint for me 🤷‍♂️

[limpid cairn]

when will you update the codex on sftools?

[reef basin]

what are you missing?

[versed cosmos]

hey greeny why does sftools sometimes show me i need 0/second of some ore?

0/minute i mean

[reef basin]

from FAQ on Tools discord:

This sometimes happens because computers are not exactly accurate when dealing with decimal numbers. You can safely ignore these boxes.

[mortal ginkgo]

happens sometimes when you dont want to see SAM ore stuff but Converter building is still toggled on.

[versed cosmos]

oh cool

[wind siren]

welp, map center is NOT a pretty place for a base 🙁

[limpid inlet]

what is SAM used for?

[versed cosmos]

Breaking physics mostly

[limpid inlet]

Tier 9? BOOOOOOOO!!!

[wind siren]

wondering if that what i am seeing atm. a purple node in the distance that i know is not quartz

[wet cloak]

You’ll need it for some other stuff before that but it’s really only used in tier 9. You’ll need a lot of it

[hard ivy]

It's also used for depots, which you want ASAP and definitely not in T9

[wet cloak]

Me who built most of my depots in t9

It didn’t occur to me how nice they were until then

[wind siren]

still wish you could nuke fart rocks away 🙁

[hard ivy]

You can?

[wicked nacelle]

You can’t?

[wind siren]

you can blast the fart plants that stand up away

but not the rocks unless something has changed

[wicked nacelle]

Everything poison can be blown up

[wind siren]

um, not with regular nobelisks so far

[wicked nacelle]

You’re doing something very wrong

[wind siren]

you've never been able to blast the fart rocks away

[hard ivy]

You definitely can

[wind siren]

like i said, its new for me...was NEVER thing last i had played

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t know what you’re doing wrong but you’ll be very happy when you find out what it is

[wind siren]

one of the reasons that made gas masks production necessary

[versed cosmos]

Are you playing a different game man

[wicked nacelle]

Maybe if the last time you played was like 4 years ago? But lots has changed

[wind siren]

i took a break for 2 years man...

[versed cosmos]

Cause you can definitely blow the rocks up with nobelisks

[wicked nacelle]

100% you could blow them up 2 years ago

[wind siren]

not last time i played...must have been right after i paused

[wicked nacelle]

Why don’t you just go try it

[wind siren]

i'm doing it now atm

of course last time i played, sloops, mercer spheres, and sam ore did nothing yet 😄

[wicked nacelle]

It was added in beta 8. 2.5 years ago

[wind siren]

i never play beta branch if i can help it

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch gas pillar

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=gas+pillar

[wicked nacelle]

???? It was ALL beta before 1.0

[wind siren]

just timing i guess

[wicked nacelle]

Not experimental

[wind siren]

no paint gun anymore either though too...no flower production line

[sullen gull]

Lol, How are you going to say you don't play a "beta" But were obviously playing a beta two years ago? 😛

[wind siren]

experimental was kinda pre beta 😛

so, map center kinda sucked for a potential base location 🙁

[hard ivy]

did we even have anything called "beta"? We had early access and experimental branches

[wind siren]

well, bear in mind also my last played in the launcher simply said 2023...so could have been MORE than 2.5 years?

[sullen gull]

Was there even "experimental" before 1.0? Thought it was all EA before that?

[hard ivy]

It was all early access before 1.0, but there were experimental versions of each update released months earlier for testing before official release

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok, gotcha

[hard ivy]

The 2 versions in Epic launcher were "early access" and "experimental"

[wind siren]

"we" did scream for years to blow up the fart rocks so maybe they finally caved?

[sullen gull]

Idk, I started in U8. Could blow them up then, but there was a bug where the cloud wouldn't go away.

[wind siren]

i remembered the nuke update took a lnog time to iron bugs out :/

[sullen gull]

Either way, memory lane is great and all (and maybe I missed it) but what's that have to do with the price of rice in china currenty?

[wind siren]

nothing, help me shop for abase location thats pretty 😄

[sullen gull]

I know not this concept of a "base" 🤷‍♂️

[wind siren]

hahaha

[keen light]

I think the desert looks amazing at sunset

[wind siren]

i'm in the dunes atm :/

[keen light]

The beginner starting area is of course good looking, particularly that big u shaped rock

[sullen gull]

Make a "base" on paradise island imo 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

Pink Forest in the middle, cute and safe

[keen light]

might as well send them to the swamp

[wind siren]

that was map center, neither cute NOR safe 😛

[keen light]

to be fair the red bamboo does look cool, but it's so dense I can't make a base in it

[mortal ginkgo]

You should ignore this imposter's comment: #satisfactory message

It is perfectly safe.

[keen light]

Did they add sam nodes between 1.0 launch and now? I feel like there are more on the map

[wicked nacelle]

Yes

[sullen gull]

They were on the map, just didn't do anything

Or, at lease a form of "place holder". Don't remember what mercers looked like

[wicked nacelle]

Some were. not all that are there now I don’t think

[sullen gull]

And sloops weren't there iirc

[wicked nacelle]

Some were

[keen light]

I played some in the beta so I do remember when you couldn't do anything with mercer spheres and the sam nodes liked like iron, but I mean it just seems like there are more nodes than when I played after launch.

[sullen gull]

or, at least something in it's location you mean?

[wicked nacelle]

No there were sloops

[keen light]

yea sloops were in

[wicked nacelle]

You couldn’t do anything with them but I always had a bunch of in my HUB container

[sullen gull]

The very beginning even. Cool.

[wicked nacelle]

Wiki says they were in patch 0.1

Actually alpha test weekend

[wind siren]

there seems to be more nodes in general all over

[sullen gull]

429 ore in all. 30 oil. Can't remember how many resources wells

[wind siren]

i just noticed a ton more iron nodes in the dunes than i remember after putting the radar up

[keen light]

oh yea, iron in the dunes is crazy, though most are impure

[wind siren]

overclock and combine?

[keen light]

pretty much

[wind siren]

i think i might just stay in the dunes :/ need to make it more "livable" looking though

[sullen gull]

Something like 11 pure, 10 normal, and 12 impure

[ivory condor]

true the dune desert is best known for its iron ore nodes, because of how many there are, even has a quite a few pure iron nodes to, which is really nice

[sullen gull]

So, "most" is technically accurate 😛

[keen light]

Well when you spawn in it sure feels that way

[ivory condor]

just did a quick count, roughly 12 pure iron nodes in the dune itself, 2 more that are close they could be considered part of the dune as well

[bitter lodge]

I hate ficsit.

"totally normal christmas present" Honestly, didn't expect that result.

[wind siren]

dont feel bad, I was like why does this look like a giant nobelisk bomb before clicking it 😄

[keen light]

per your ficsit contract all pioneers are required to run directly towards dangerous looking objects for exploitation

[floral plaza]

i hope someday you achieve your dreams and become a pure limestone node!!

[bitter lodge]

I expected it to blow up slightly and harm me, give me nobelisk, or ada just be like "Dumbass its not a present"

[fading whale]

I have had a Logitech MX Master for ages. Thumb button always set to double-click.
After getting a new MX Master 3 with the new Logi software, I can still use double-click in Windows. But it no longer works in game. Any thoughts?

[hard ivy]

Per-application profiles?

[fading whale]

There are profiles (the ones auto-generated). Nothing specific for Satisfactory.
Double-click is set on "global settings".

[wind siren]

i have a problem getting mouse button 4 disabled as a back button. tried 3 or 4 diff mouse macro programs and never gotten windows to totally stop using it as a back button

[sour ledge]

look on the bright side, it gives you a detonator and nobelisks! All you need to get into trouble in the caves

[bitter lodge]

ya but my factory I am working on was across the entire map...

so I had to shoot myself back over there to continue working

[sour ledge]

that reminds me: i wish this game let you build a personal transport trebuchet....

[sullen gull]

Hypertube cannon? 😏

[sour ledge]

like a hyper cannon, but y'know, intentional. launching yourself across the map is already great and trebuchets are an engineering classic!

[mortal ginkgo]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT BROTHERMAN OMG

😭😭😭😭😭

[mortal ginkgo]

10 pulse nobelisk can get you really far when you wack a group of them with the basher

[sour ledge]

#screenshots message

Face your destiny, sir.

[mortal ginkgo]

make sure it is pretty too, I deserve it: #design-and-architecture message

[sullen gull]

All I gots is a blue: #screenshots message

[sour ledge]

You're a single impure node, man. You are a single refinery at 125% what do you want me to do put the refinery in a box 😂

ill slap a christmas bow on it

[mortal ginkgo]

make it classy. make it pretty. make it cool.

get to it

[gentle lion]

What is this part in this person's ? From the awesome shop?
#screenshots message

[bitter lodge]

are you talking about the frames around the belts?

[gentle lion]

Yes

[strong fiber]

Can anyone tell me what should i have automated before i go into phase 4

[fading whale]

It's from the Architecture category.

[bitter lodge]

structural frame set.

[hard ivy]

everything you can

[strong fiber]

what is that

[bitter lodge]

everything.

[gentle lion]

Ah OK I may have to go get that

[bitter lodge]

Literally anything that can be produced. Automate it.

[strong fiber]

i automated everything basically already i cant think of something i didn’t except weapons

[bitter lodge]

then you should be good to go

[strong fiber]

ok

i have a feeling phase 4 gonna be real hard so imma rebuild my starter factory

While i produce the parts

[bitter lodge]

its not hard.

Nothing about the game is "Hard" its just more time consuming and planning required.

[wide oyster]

pardon, can someone remind me where the game's mods go? i might have had some mods pre 1.0 and it doesn't want to let my game run at all now

[strong fiber]

It might take more resources for the bigger factories im gonna need to make

so gonna need more

[bitter lodge]

yee but trains become awesome

[strong fiber]

i love trains and i only got 3

[bitter lodge]

if you can't update the mods, then you probably can't use them on any version past 1.0

[wide oyster]

i want them deleted

[rigid mist]

over at Massage 2 AB(b) absolutely jollying it up

[gentle lion]

So I just got unable to scan hard drive no rewards available?

So i have to pick some or wait until I unlock tier 7?

[strong fiber]

you got all the alternates for ur tier unlocked or in the mam already

[whole drum]

Pretty much

[gentle lion]

Now which ones do I need ....lol

[whole drum]

None

[strong fiber]

just keep em there and wait theres no point

[fading whale]

You have currently unlocked all available recipes. You can scan for more as you progress in your milestones.

[whole drum]

If you don't look at a recipe and think "This can solve a problem for me," you don't need it (yet).

[wide oyster]

hmmm. actually the crash report says IsUsingMods: No

[gentle lion]

I Mena the only thing on here that I could think of is the +6 inventory slots

[fading whale]

DEF take that one.

[reef basin]

that one is kinda pointless imo

[strong fiber]

big inventory

[whole drum]

That's not a recipe. That's one of the first things you're supposed to get in tier 1, lol. It helps until you get DDs.

[hard ivy]

with depots, inv space is kinda useless tho

[strong fiber]

Im the kind of person that still carries a bunch of resources on me

[rigid mist]

deconstructing en masse

[hard ivy]

there's a second upgrade you can get later

[wide oyster]

exploring

[gentle lion]

I need to go.back.and upgrade dd.. I gotta make the Sam things. I have 40 mercers Fromy travels

[wide oyster]

you need inventory for exploring

[reef basin]

pointless with depots imo

[whole drum]

When you have the personal uploader, you stop needing it for exploring

[reef basin]

upload from inventory

[strong fiber]

what if its full

[fading whale]

Edit your save to have less slots. Go disassemble a factory or some huge BPs. Then come back and tells ur how useless a big inventory is 😃

[whole drum]

You're carrying a bunch of stuff you don't need to and should probably build a sink for

[strong fiber]

no

[whole drum]

Yeah

[reef basin]

then it's a thing that's most likely getting sinked anyway

[strong fiber]

i need all 600 copper sheets

[hard ivy]

Here's the thing, though. I don't do that.

And if I did, I'd just trash the excess

[fading whale]

ADA makes a sad face 😔

[wide oyster]

can anyone tell me how to fix this error on launch: Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x0000000000000000

[strong fiber]

And i like having the stuff stockpile and backlog so it refills gaster

[whole drum]

The only time you need stuff like that in your inventory is when you haven't found enough spheres to DD it yet

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533

[whole drum]

That's what buffer storage is for

[strong fiber]

I got that but sometimes i gotta uselike alot so im probably gonna rebuild my starter factory

[wicked nacelle]

You can put multiple uploaders on an item type too

[reef basin]

build new, don't dismantle old 😉

[whole drum]

Rebuilding is seldom worth

[wicked nacelle]

Vertical splitters are great for uploaders

[wind siren]

depends how bad the first build was

[reef basin]

even the worst build is still better than no factory

[wind siren]

mind you i dont believe in dismantling until you have sufficient replacement or more built

[fading whale]

There are no worst builds in this game. Just less efficient.

[whole drum]

If you plan your builds right, you can just upgrade the old and not need to tear anything down--that's my preference

Simple example:
You have a rich iron node at your start location, but you haven't unlocked much yet.
Build your first smelter on some foundation in front of the miner. Your first constructor in front of that.
When you unlock splitters, expand to the left of that splitting (if you're standing at the miner), you can build a 2nd smelter now.
When you unlock Mk2 belts, expand 2 more smelters to the left and upgrade the main belt that feeds the manifold.
When you unlock Mk2 miner, upgrade the miner, then expand right of the splitter.

I'm pretty sure you get Mk3 belts by then, but you'll need to upgrade the main line to use a Mk2 miner.

[hardy moat]

eventually youll need to tear it down when you unlock alt recipes

[whole drum]

No

[hardy moat]

for better effeciency anyways

[whole drum]

Just use those recipes on new builds

[wind siren]

hmm, so i put another radar up on the shore of the dunes se and there is a sort of dashed greyish line running diagonally on some of he map and its not the map edge

[whole drum]

The edge of the radar range?

[hardy moat]

i like tearing it down building better

[wind siren]

the radar is ON the dashed line

aND there are nodes past the line so...

[whole drum]

Look, nobody is forcing you to play a certain way, but you time is a resource too, and you waste a lot if you tear-down/rebuild stuff like that.

[reef basin]

no, you build new factories

[fading whale]

Check your dm.

[whole drum]

Compared to building new, you lose all the production time of what you had there during the process of the rebuild--plus you lose the production of what you could have had by just building new.

[wind siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1449524721459662909/image.png?ex=693f3698&is=693de518&hm=0ee2d256bc018d3bfa2c31787ff682fc25b829f081786e234ac5ded58781be0e&

same concept but diff spot

[proud hill]

do the ficsit coupons ever go past costing 4000 DNA points ?

[fading whale]

Yup. It's nothing.
Likely there is an item, tip of a beam, or whatever, that is in the line-of-sigt near the tower. So your're technically seing a "shadow" from the rader.

[wind siren]

hrm, not from me and not at this height 🙁

[limpid inlet]

Everything trust

[whole drum]

When I think about it, the one time each save rebuilding makes a lot of sense is when you first unlock foundations, lol. After that, I maybe would consider repurposing oil once I have nuclear set up, if all the reasonably convenient oil is already tapped.

[leaden turret]

if you're somehow still on biomass, you really should automate your power

[fading whale]

I'm pretty sure it's just a rendering bug.
Mine is in open water. And I still get it. Not on all towers though.

[limpid inlet]

You can get foundations before automation

[wind siren]

in mine there is a sulfur node NE right ON the line

[whole drum]

If you hand-craft a bunch of stuff and don't try to get miners going asap, yes

[limpid inlet]

Biomass is unusable in tier 2 lmao

[leaden turret]

@grave burrow please tell me you've done a full biomass run

[brazen coral]

Is it better to have the alt recipe for the battery if you have the blender available or is the blended recipe better? Better as in resource saving

[whole drum]

Looking at the recipes, the alt recipes is more expensive and complex, but gives better yields/m. Can't see using it myself.

[hard ivy]

considering Tools always chooses it, I'd say it's cheaper. plus, getting alumina is a pain

[solid grail]

The classic battery recipe is also simpler to set up

[whole drum]

4 discrete resources with nothing in common vs "just bring sulferic acid to the aluminum you're already making"

[white dawn]

I know on my 1.0 save I'd gone with the Classic Battery alt, though my reasons for doing so are lost to the sands of time

[whole drum]

Seems like one of those recipes that highly depends on your priorities, I guess

[bitter lodge]

game crashed and I don't know when the last auto save was

[hard ivy]

you don't have those set to every 5-10 minutes?

[whole drum]

15 here, but game rarely crashes for me. Sometimes just does a long hang-up, like 10-20s

Hard to imagine having the interval longer than that, lol

[bitter lodge]

I do

[whole drum]

Oh, then you haven't lost much

[bitter lodge]

its set to 10 but I was doing so much blueprint placing and logistics connecting

[whole drum]

And you'll do them even better this time 🙂

[bitter lodge]

I got lucky ;^; I only lost my cosmetic attempts.

[hard ivy]

In U6 I had autosaves set to 1h because saving took, no kidding, 4 minutes

[whole drum]

Looking at the recipes further and reconsidered, Classic is probably "cheaper" in raw materials overall. Only alum sheets are taxing. Everything else is simple.

It's mostly the inconvenience of how they have nothing in common, so it's a higher logistical bar.

[bitter lodge]

was u6 the one before 1.0?

or did it go up to u8?

[whole drum]

Thought it was 8?

[hard ivy]

There was u7 and u8 between u6 and 1.0

[whole drum]

Could you rephrase that, please?

[solid grail]

Just saying setting up a classic battery factory is simpler than the blender recipe.

[whole drum]

How is adding sulferic acid to an aluminum plant harder than bringing together 4 resources that have nothing to do with each other?

[compact flicker]

Entering decoupled camera allows hatchery spawn to act hostile towards the pioneer while retaliate/passive mode is enabled

[limpid inlet]

on 67?

[whole drum]

I wonder where this brainrot "meme" came from 🤔

[solid grail]

Moving maintaining (fluids pipes pumps or pack unpack) is more hassle than importing 4 solids via belts in my opinion

[signal monolith]

Hey everyone hows it going

[compact flicker]

Goin good, you?

[whole drum]

If pipes are hard for you, sure. Fair enough. I don't think a single pipe is hard to manage.

[signal monolith]

good, just finished phase 2 and moving to phase 3 🙂

[hasty stump]

wasting lots of time collecting ficsmas gifts instead of leaves and twigs, so my power keeps going out

[compact flicker]

Its fun :3

[hasty stump]

i'm doing my first dune desert playthrough

[whole drum]

Bruh 😄

You should at least get coal online first

Very festive

[signal monolith]

im procrastinating building another coal power generator factory lol

[hasty stump]

yea i'm working on coal now, gotta go exterminate all the trees in the local swamp so i can get some water

[whole drum]

Dunes are a blast

[solid grail]

I’m not saying it’s harder, just more annoying for me to set up.

[signal monolith]

I might build a cannon

[compact flicker]

Make sure you have jelly landing pads lol

[hasty stump]

ngl the dune desert distances are long enough that i would kill for a hypertube cannon right now

[whole drum]

It gets better once you have edgerunners and a parachute

[hasty stump]

i got a parachute in the ficsmas calendar! hadn't even unlocked it in the mam yet

[signal monolith]

if i put different fuel in my jetpack will it allow me to hover at all? im new'ish

[gentle lion]

Ok have enough for the last stack size or last speed increase? Stack size first ?

[whole drum]

The quartz is a long walk, but there's a decent amount of it

[versed cosmos]

no you need a hoverpack

[signal monolith]

wait is that really a thing lol

[versed cosmos]

different fuels have different ascent speeds and burn times

[whole drum]

I personally take upload speed once I can store at least 2 stacks--but keep them even generally

[hasty stump]

the coal is all pretty far from any water too, i can see why it's not recommended as a starter biome

[versed cosmos]

which biome?

[hasty stump]

dune desert

[whole drum]

Plenty of water down the cliffs 🙂

[versed cosmos]

there's some by the east coast

[hasty stump]

yea but is that actually usable or is it the end of the world?

[versed cosmos]

yeah down the cliffs

[gentle lion]

I ahve the last of both available...🤔

[whole drum]

It's usable

[gentle lion]

I'll do stack size as I'm bad with carrying things I need 😂

[hasty stump]

oh nice, it looked dubious when i went over there

there are a few coal nodes over there too, i'll try building my plant there

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1449533433628852266
This is the one on my most recent Dunes save, in the northeast corner of the area

[hasty stump]

ah cool, looks way less annoying/full of obstacles than the local ponds

[whole drum]

Yeah, the coal that isn't near the water is better used for steel, imo

[gentle lion]

Oh the last speed is double ...🤔 Now I don't know what to get

[whole drum]

Upload speed is king

Gets the most out of the storage buffers

[solid grail]

Ye perfect location for a coal power plant. #screenshots

[whole drum]

Just remember to upgrade the lifts that connect them

[gentle lion]

Yeah shouldn't take long to get 23 more mercers on my next outing

[compact flicker]

That reminds me, do yall just use the max belt you have, or do you only use the speed you need?

[hasty stump]

very tidy, i should use the pipe floor holes for once, i'm usually too lazy and my coal plants end up looking like crap

[whole drum]

It really doesn't. The first 50 or so are harder than the last 100.

[whole drum]

Personally, the highest tier I have automated. Don't have to overthink belt math that way.

[versed cosmos]

If I can afford it, I use the fastest belt. It helps manifolds fill up faster

[hasty stump]

if i'm doing manifolds, i use the highest speed i have, just so it doesn't take so damn long to bring everything online

[versed cosmos]

Although I do prefer the look of the mark 1-3 belts than the mk 4 and 5 belts

[solid grail]

Thanks, tbh bit of a pain to set up though I had to use a few tricks to get everything aligned.

[hasty stump]

did you do it by hand or did you have blueprints unlocked?

[solid grail]

By hand.

[hasty stump]

i lie to myself sometimes and say i'll come back and do it more tidy when i get blueprints, but i never do

[whole drum]

I did it that way for a long time, but I've changed that practice. I build above the pipe ports on the refineries now, using the pipe stands. It's way less work and has fewer potential issues that can happen.

[hasty stump]

i use stands too, tall enough that i can walk under the pipes (after learning my lesson the hard way the first time that it's really annoying if you have to hop over them all the time, haha)

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1449536437279133730

[solid grail]

Yeah, well, if it works, it works. 😂

[whole drum]

This gives you that 3:8 ratio with proper injection

Pointing the pipes downward into the refineries supposedly helps to ensure flow rate, but I've never really had issues with not doing that. Figured I'd give it a try.

[hasty stump]

looks pretty similar to mine except lately i've been doing 1 water extractor to 2 coal plants even though i know it's inefficient, having the extra water capacity seems to fix all the "sloshing" issues i've had in the past

[whole drum]

This network does that too. 120x3 > 300

[versed cosmos]

once the pipes and coal generators are full you can underclock the extractor to 75%

[solid grail]

ye

[versed cosmos]

4 water extractors at 75% is actually a little bit more power efficient that 3 at 100%

[hasty stump]

ah good point, i always forget about underclocking extractors for some reason

[versed cosmos]

not so much that it makes a practical difference but it's there

[lunar python]

more machines underclocked will always consume less power than less machines at 100% i think

[whole drum]

But if you care about power a lot, you just do all your builds at steep underclock 😄

[reef basin]

tools never chooses it because recipe is cheaper though

always depends on the whole chain

[whole drum]

Most people don't want to arbitrarily builds 2-5x the structures and logistics to save some power tho

[versed cosmos]

some recipes might look cheaper on the surface but actually be cheaper on a more plentiful resource but more epensive on a more scarce resource

[hasty stump]

i'd rather just build more power if feasible

[whole drum]

Same

[versed cosmos]

yeah that's the way to do power

[whole drum]

I just see it this way: Do I want to spend 2-5x the time to save some power, or just build more power which costs way less time than most factory builds?

[reef basin]

all recipes are "cheaper" in given situations and with specific other recipes 😉 so you shouldn't ever look at a single recipe

[solid grail]

I’m running 36 coal generators off 18 water extractors (at 75%) and 2 coal nodes.

[versed cosmos]

that's a lot of coal

[solid grail]

😂 coal powered generators*

[versed cosmos]

that's still a lot of coal

[solid grail]

A lot of coal, yes. A lot of power problems, no.

[gritty zealot]

yo whos up factorising

[hasty stump]

if running around shooting animals with iron rebar counts, then i'm factorising 😆

[subtle escarp]

Hey, I'm searching for computers to unlock earlier the ManualUpload feature of the Google Drive 😉

Is there any way to know which pods will have computers around them? Thanks!

[versed cosmos]

The parts around crash sites are consistent

Not randomly generated

[reef basin]

you can also automate computers 😉

[versed cosmos]

Maybe check interactive map

[broken quarry]

what level do I unlock better than bio mass?

[versed cosmos]

I think he may be trying to collect more advanced parts than he has access to for some early mam research

[subtle escarp]

I can't find any option to list those ground resources

[subtle escarp]

yup

[hasty stump]

tier 3 is when you unlock coal

[subtle escarp]

it's a new save after completing the game, I'm now at the start of steel, I have a small coal plant generating 1.800MW hahaha

I'll keep searching on crash sites manually then, thank you anyways!!

[craggy vector]

How is that even possible dude

[cyan prism]

A normal coal node with a Mk 1 miner lets you power 4 generators
If they're pure nodes or if you're using Mk2 miners, that's 8
3 power shards (250%) in each miner, that's 20
2 nodes gives you up to 40
Must be some big-ass belts, though 😄

[craggy vector]

Yeah that’s crazy

[compact flicker]

Why not just overclock the generators?

[wicked nacelle]

often people don't have shards at this point to spend on generators

and even if you have slugs you may be saving them for later slooping

[compact flicker]

Fair enough

[wicked nacelle]

also it looks cool 🙂

[compact flicker]

I think I need to expand my power grid

My consumption is fluctuating by 100~ mw and my battery charge time is following it with a range of 14 hours lmao

Scratch that, 30 hour charge time fluctuations

[zealous urchin]

time to brute force 100 nucular spagheti

[compact flicker]

I don't even have oil power set up yet lol

Oop
2nd ever crash

whatnow

[wicked nacelle]

I haven’t researched vespene gas yet 🙁

[whole drum]

Well get to it quick, before the Tal'Darim notice

[solid grail]

Ye I’m short on power shards right now and I’d rather save them for later.

[zealous urchin]

time to take some notes from Mister Raynor's Bold moves

[reef basin]

hybrid? on MASSAGE-2(A-B)b? Impossible!

[strong fiber]

My coal plant ran 32 generators

[open swallow]

Protip: sloop your shards

[wicked nacelle]

and double sloop your dna

[strong fiber]

4 nodes but they weren’t oc

[wicked nacelle]

some idiot on my single player game decided to dedicate an entire set of oil nodes to making... rubber concrete to be sent out by drone

[deft belfry]

Hand craft pasta?

[zealous urchin]

hell no

[wicked nacelle]

can you even do that? (no)

[solid grail]

yes

[whole drum]

You should really do something about that guy

[wicked nacelle]

he's fired.

[remote cloud]

yeah, that seems pretty unsatisfactory

[whole drum]

Hopefully out of a cannon

[wicked nacelle]

I just found taht and it boggled my bananas

[twin helm]

Heavy frames are not as bad as people made them out to be

[wicked nacelle]

they're just tedious

[hasty stump]

they are not unannoying

[twin helm]

Not with the encased recipe

[bitter lodge]

heavy frames are tedious...

[twin helm]

Pretty easy tbh

[bitter lodge]

really? compared to what?

HMF are like dipping your toes in the water of what the game has to offer shortly after.

[twin helm]

My power set up was much more of a headache (screw pipes)

(Not screws as in the game screws as in i hate them)

Wow how is english my first, no my only language and i cant even use it properly

Ill see myself out

[solid grail]

🫡

[whole drum]

HMF default is just a truckload of iron and some coal. Not too bad.

[bitter lodge]

even so, alt recipes lowers the cost by a ton

pure iron ingot recipe is a god send

[whole drum]

The flexible variant is pretty good

[compact flicker]

Pure concrete needing exactly 300/min limestone when fully oc'd made me so happy lol

[hasty stump]

HMF is easy enough if you don't need more than like 2 per minute, otherwise the iron gets a bit crazy

[wicked nacelle]

it's funny when people come here and say "i'm making 2 HMF/m is that enough forever?" and I'm like "no, but 20 is pretty good :)"

their brain can't even comprehend that

[compact flicker]

Lmao

[hasty stump]

i can't recall the max number i've ever produced, maybe 5/min? 20 sounds like it would require more rail shipping than i usually get around to

[reef basin]

20 sounds like way more than you'll ever need

unless you build things insanely fast

[bitter lodge]

I am doing 25/min personally.

[hasty stump]

other than fuel, i guess you don't really need a particular rate for anything, if you're patient enough

[zealous urchin]

sati is not game to brag about tho

[compact flicker]

Im making a whole 0/min rn

[twin helm]

I just built a factory for 30pm

[wicked nacelle]

you don't need any power amount either. anything mor ethan 0 can finish the story

[hasty stump]

i guess you need at least enough to run one of whatever machine consumes the most? (assuming it's producing something you can't hand produce but is needed for the elevator)

although fair enough, you could underclock it to death

[wicked nacelle]

you can use a power storage to make it run

[frigid meteor]

how do you create ornament bundles?

[hasty stump]

ah true, i forget batteries are a thing, i've never used them

[wicked nacelle]

yeah but even with a 1% bioburner you can fill a power storage and then run a particle accel at 250%

[hasty stump]

would be fun to calculate how long it would take to complete the game like this

[twin helm]

Whats the opposite of speed run

[wicked nacelle]

well what you'd do is figure out the kWh needed ... then just divide tjat by kW

[twin helm]

Completing satisfactory with 1 of every machine and they can only be used at 1% clock

[hasty stump]

longest youtube video ever

[twin helm]

No hand crafting allowed either (except at start

Honestly, if someone did that, f****ng fair play

That would get my sub

[compact flicker]

People with giant rocket fuel power plants, where'd you build them?

[zealous urchin]

afterlife

[dense violet]

build them in hell

[deft belfry]

Biomass burners cant charge power storage

[wicked nacelle]

so 1% coal then

[twin helm]

I built a huge one in the big lake on bottom right

It has plenty of sulfur, coal and oil

One i built makes me 100,000 mw

[solid grail]

would take ages to get there

[hasty stump]

gold coast usually

[compact flicker]

Good to know. I'm currently flattening that whole area for that exact reason

[zenith pecan]

My rocket fuel plant sits in the bottom of the blue crater.

Here's the layout: #satisfactory-experimental message

[compact flicker]

Where's that?

[compact flicker]

That looks really clean

[hasty stump]

it's on the coast, northwest of the grassy fields

lots of room to spread out there

and tons of oil

[merry granite]

I think the snow is ruining my fps or something? can i disable it?

[zenith pecan]

One huge bonus with rocket fuel is, it's a gas, so you can put the generators in towers without worrying about head lift.

[blazing otter]

algum br?

[compact flicker]

What alts do you use?

[zenith pecan]

HOR, dilute fuel (blender one) & nitro rocket.

[compact flicker]

Ty

[zenith pecan]

One thing to keep in mind, nitro rocket produces compact coal as a byproduct which isn't used earlier in the loop, my approach used the results to feed a nearby foundry.

[compact flicker]

Decent chance I end up turning that into some extra coal power

[zenith pecan]

It depends how big the rocket fuel facility is, mine produces a LOT of power, so it was better used in a foundry.

[round crown]

I mean....when your like me and build everything in bulk you never have enough. Theres a reason damm near everything is getting its own factory rn. Tho I might ship the parts for super computers instead of a independent super computer factory

[old grotto]

I use the voids for large scale power and toxic waste storage. Build right above where it hurts you. Plenty of space

[round crown]

Im using turbo but I make mine on the coast

[silk ocean]

The good ol' oil coast

[whole robin]

my friend is trying to join my server, but whenever he hits join it doesn't do anything, and i can't figure out how to invite him

is there something that either of us are missing?

[old grotto]

ADA is taking a nap

[silk ocean]

Should be able to invite through Steam/Epic

[ebon cave]

I feel so lost. I’m tryna do phase two and I have a single iron node and I just don’t know how to mar like enough smart platings or anything

[whole robin]

we both booted up through steam, but we are now both logging into epic through the game

[silk ocean]

If you purchased through Steam stick to that. You can login to Epic but fairly sure you need to invite friend in Steam

[round crown]

Is train transporting more inconsistent then belt highways? The only thing this coast doesn't have is sulfur

[whole robin]

how do i invite someone to a world?

[wicked nacelle]

just send them the epic id and have them use that

epic://...bunchofnumbers....

[silk ocean]

Go to Friends, click drop down on friend, should be an invite to game option

[glass pagoda]

What does any unfinded mean in a smart splitter

[round crown]

Any resource thats not defined in the other directions goes that way

So if ur left and right is plates and rods and center is undefined any resource that isn't plate or rods goes that way

[whole robin]

#screenshots message

so about that

those are all the options available, and he's currently in the main menu of the game

[silk ocean]

In multiplayer settings have you set to Friends only?

Other option is to send the Session ID which should be listed there? (not in-game atm)

[severe cliff]

anyone recommend where i should build my modular engine and control unit factory? i’m leaning towards blue crater i think it’s called

[compact flicker]

Uggh im tryna savescum to get diluted fuel and I've gotten caterium computers twice 😭

[silk ocean]

If still no joy give me 10 and I'll get to the PC and fire it up and see

[whole robin]

he made it in

[silk ocean]

Nice one

[fading whale]

Sweet jebuz, rocket fuel in my jetpack is fun 😄

[hasty stump]

if you mean the west coast by the oil, there's a pure sulfur node in the hills to the southeast, i just use a belt highway to get it. there's also some nitrogen slightly north of the sulfur

[grave burrow]

I have! Ended up with just over 34k biomass burners. Thats just over 1TW of JUST biomass power XD Was more of a challenge than actual necessity but its capable of handling it well XD

[leaden turret]

is that before or after the belt-fed biogens?

[gentle lion]

New fuel factory
#screenshots message

Starting

[fading whale]

Nice. How many generators will you end up with?

[buoyant kettle]

is there any negative to oversaturating a supply line?

[bitter lodge]

the main idea of logistics with trains is that whatever you import at a pick up site, you should expect that same amount /min at the depot site?

[bitter lodge]

Nope.

[grave burrow]

Before 🤣

[hard ivy]

Why do so many people ask these kinds of questions? Trains do not delete items. Whatever goes in at one end will end up at the other

[buoyant kettle]

so... since im overclocking a machine i should set to 150% instead of the exact items per minute i need

[round crown]

I just need alotttt of sulfer

[bitter lodge]

I was just asking like throughput expectancy

not that the train would delete items

[bitter lodge]

for what?

[bitter lodge]

your choice, or use a second machine and clock it to 50%

[buoyant kettle]

gotcha

[zealous urchin]

what were u thinking designing Bolted Singularity Cell

[hasty stump]

how do you feed them? is there eventually a way to automate biomass production? i always switch to coal as soon as i can so i'm blissfully unaware

[grave burrow]

Back then it had to be hand fed into the burners as there were no belt attachments and it took over 90hrs to fill all of them. It really was a proof of concept build not really for anything practical. After 90hrs of feeding them then turning them on, it only lasted like an hour XD But now biomass can be belt fed into them so quite easy to automate the whole process other than gathering up biomass from the map

[hard ivy]

That's another question that doesn't really have a definite answer. Trains aren't magic. They have a capacity and they take a certain amount of time to get through their route. Of course one single wagon cannot handle moving 2400 items/min across the map.

The easiest way to estimate throughput is to assume 1 full belt per platform, and then you add trains until it's enough throughput. And then stop adding, because extra trains that aren't necessary are useless at best and actively harmful at worst

But trains are consistent enough that you can calculate it, if you want. In that case, the wiki has most of the info you need

[neon basalt]

Should I get the fused wire alt recipe or the iron pipe alt recipe

[round crown]

FUEL

[gentle lion]

Oil 600/m, each refinery uses 30 so 20 sets / 80 fuel gens

[bitter lodge]

Good info.

[deft belfry]

or 2 at 75% to use less power

[bitter lodge]

?wikisearch trains

....I will just go fuckmyself.

[solid grail]

🫡

[bitter lodge]

doing rocket fuel I presume?

[gentle lion]

Uhhh

[hard ivy]

That's the one you're concerned about the most?

[round crown]

@hard ivy @bitter lodge also how in world do I Kickstart this 400 fuel gen factory when I need like 20,000 MW to start it up

[bitter lodge]

a 9 cargo train....

that is a long train

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput

[round crown]

Turbo

[zealous urchin]

me concerned? where did u get that from

[bitter lodge]

you kickstart it with your current power?