satisfactory

[brazen cove]

it was just my idea tho

[primal obsidian]

But do it if you want just saying it’s going to make the game harder

[brazen cove]

oh btw, what can i do with my factories? make 1 main factory or make a lot of small ones?

[primal obsidian]

small ones for sure

[white dawn]

You can do either, or any ratio inbetween

[unkempt blade]

there are other downsides to mega bases but the least avoidable is going to be performance so I'd just be aware of that if you want to try

[white dawn]

Though doing a megafactory (everything all at one location) is definitely running the game on Hard Mode

[brazen cove]

like 1 medium one and a lot of small ones delivering goods to it?

[white dawn]

There's a lot more challenges to building megabases than most folks realize

[warped holly]

My base currently is just conveyores and machines dropped on an organized mess around the spawn, whenever I need to increase production I just place more machines

[white dawn]

It's a sandbox game -- the options are literally finite but many!

[brazen cove]

yeah right, i just want to see the opinions of more advanced players

[white dawn]

Personally I tend to go pretty hardcore into what's called "Independency" (https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency) but that's just one way to play

[white dawn]

Eh, experienced players can still be "wrong" (in that their recommendations might not work well with how you want to play the game)

[whole drum]

I would say it's okay to make some large bases here and there, but a "megabase" is a whole different animal

[white dawn]

You'll find folks who like pretty much all the available options; I wouldn't put too much stock into how other people play the game

The only real metric for playing the game "right" is if you're having fun. Make your own mistakes, not someone else's, etc. :)

[brazen cove]

yea we all people and we can make errors but it's still better to ask for advice than to be sorry later

[whole drum]

No reason to be sorry in this game. The learning curve is part of the experience.

[white dawn]

I understand the impulse, but honestly I kind of disagree. On my very first playthrough for Satisfactory I was doing essentially everything that I currently advise against. I still had a great time, and still went on to play multiple playthroughs, etc.

[brazen cove]

did you finish the game? is there an ''end''?

[white dawn]

And yeah, my preferred methods of building have definitely evolved over time. But I'm pretty sure on my next playthrough I'm gonna be intentionally ignoring some of my usual advice and trying out some different stuff, just 'cause I haven't done that in awhile. :P

[leaden turret]

you sure about there being no reason to be sorry in the game? https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=memes+AND+author%3A27519564-0882-4515-a17b-474deecb36a3

-# waves at @balmy kiln and @lofty dew

[whole drum]

I'm constantly evolving how I do things

[whole drum]

A web page?

[white dawn]

I've only finished v1.0+ once, thus far, which is when the game achieved an actual "ending." I've "completed" the game many times throughout Early Access, though (for definitions of "completed" which include "have automated all possible things to automate, and finished the 'final' Space Elevator deliveries)

[leaden turret]

referring to the "art"

[unkempt blade]

You eventually unlock everything and finish the on-rails objectives. At that point you'd be only making your own goals for that save

[brazen cove]

oh so there is no normal ''end''?

[whole drum]

Oh, I didn't even see it at first. Had to max my browswer.

[azure pulsar]

Which channel would be most appropriate for asking how to get a particular Somersloop/collectable? Here or #story-spoilers ?

[leaden turret]

#1038092680493801533 maybe?

[white dawn]

There is an "end" in that you've got an explicit goal you're working towards, and once you finish that goal, there's an ending sequence of sorts, and a credits roll. But then you're back into the factory game and can continue automating to your heart's content

(I suspect that most folks will probably still have some things on their TODO when the credits roll)

[brazen cove]

oooh i see now, thanks

[azure pulsar]

I dunno, it really doesn't feel like something that needs a full thread for it. That's why I don't like Discord servers where the only official place to ask questions is a threads channel.

[unkempt blade]

they really messed up by not having the ending cause the world to explode and force you to start over on a new world

[brazen cove]

and how long did it take you to beat the game?

[unkempt blade]

a couple hundred hours the first time I played

[white dawn]

In a lot of Discord servers, Threads are kind of lame and not well monitored, but they're honestly great in #1038092680493801533 here. And since you can embed images in there, that's often the best place to ask that kind of question

[leaden turret]

point being it's not exactly story spoilers but it would keep the question/answer out of the way, unless ||you wanna ask people to respond in there with spoiler tags|| 😛

[whole drum]

Nah, I hate how this server is organized. Very low tier.

[white dawn]

There's a feeling I see sometimes where someone doesn't want to "create a whole thread just for X" but they're quite lively on this server and are entirely suitable even for quick little questions

[unkempt blade]

all this channel independency is the worst, we need one single gigachannel

[whole drum]

I wouldn't go that far, but I don't want to channel hop all the time, especially because I'm in a lot of servers--not just this one.

It's very cumbersome and annoying

[unkempt blade]

oh I see - we need a different server for each topic!

[whole drum]

Also, the whole no-fun-allowed thing in the general channel is cringe af

[white dawn]

lol @ totally contextless "cringe" use

[whole drum]

I just told you the context

[unkempt blade]

who's not having fun?

[white dawn]

It's a shame that word's been so diluted; hardly means anything anymore

Just "I don't like this therefore it's 'cringe''. Ah well, language evolves.

[spark plover]

how is everyone doing today

[brazen cove]

hmmm do i put more coal generators oooor... put more coal generators hmmmmmmmm

[whole drum]

Get to oil and make fuel gens

[brazen cove]

i'm still on lvl2 space elevator

[unkempt blade]

I'm doing amazing. I had a great hike with the dog and now I'm baking jalapeno cheddar sourdough bread while playing with trains

[spark plover]

cool " jalapeno cheddar sourdough bread " sounds good

[whole drum]

I'm eager for the holidays to be over so we can get all the junk food out of the house and start our diet

[unkempt blade]

It sure smells good. I'm hoping it turns out well

[spark plover]

hope so send me a pic of when you can

[whole drum]

I love that kind of bread. Great for making ham/cheese sandwiches

[untold halo]

I have nothing to do at work today so I'm just daydreaming my factory to life

Actually no tryna learn more about trains

[brazen coral]

Trains are pretty useful but you either want separate railways for different trains to carry different stuff or literally load up one full train. Just don't have it go uphill with multiple things

[lofty dew]

I have awoken from my slumb.. awaken? awaked? awoked?

[untold halo]

Woke af

[unkempt blade]

deslumbified

[whole drum]

un-narcolepsed

[leaden turret]

ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu Rekalty wgah'nagl fhtagn

[untold halo]

Yeah trains will be fun. I know exactly what I want to do with my world or at least my starting area so im taking things nice and slow atm

[lofty dew]

Reksurrected.

[untold halo]

Thought that said Cthulu Reality like I didnt know bro was a realtor

[leaden turret]

see also:

the sleeper has awakened 🏜️🪱

[unkempt blade]

a single global network with tracks going both directions is a lot of fun too

[wind siren]

hmm, power towers? thats new to me 🙂

[unkempt blade]

#screenshots message

[wind siren]

erm, ok... a battery stack?

[brazen coral]

Yeah that's what I actually plan to do, but I also kind of want Central storage to take over for most things except for like raw materials. So I'm still kind of converging in one spot as much as I can except for power that stays localized

[unkempt blade]

a very colorful battery stack 😄

that keep my friends from crashing the power grid in our MP saves

[wind siren]

i'm still early "mid" game atm i guess

usually i last till nuke power and start over or go play something else

[brazen coral]

Right now I have blenders set up for aluminum, once you get aluminum it processes incredibly fast

[wind siren]

mainly cuz i hate dealing with crude oil/fuel power at that point for so long

[brazen coral]

Like I've already set up constructors/ assemblers and their processing. All the aluminum to make the parts for Mark 5 belts

[brazen cove]

also how high is hight limit?

[hard ivy]

2 km

[brazen cove]

that's very high right?

[wind siren]

depends where you are. its not very high over the high uranium node peak i think

[brazen coral]

I mean if you take into consideration walls are 4 m high. You take like 500 of those and stack them on top of each other

And then you set a cannon on top of that to get you where you want to go

[whole drum]

Use the cannnon to get up there. Use a parachute to get where you want.

[brazen coral]

or a jetpack if you have it

Approximately getting anywhere on the map is 25 to 30 cannon parts if starting in the grassland

[whole drum]

Well, if you start from a high enough place, the parachute will give you a lot more distance

[brazen cove]

i was just browsing through the achivements lol

[brazen coral]

Yeah I did that by accident by aiming a Canon straight up

😂

If you go too high, you hit the barrier of the world which kills you. There's not an actual physical wall

[leaden turret]

printers work better when you lay them flat

[karmic cosmos]

I always played this game till nuclear power but idk being alone makes it a little boring.. is multiplayer good? Or it makes the game lag more

[whole drum]

Depends who you play with

[brazen coral]

Can a saved game be turned into a multiplayer game?

[whole drum]

Yes

[brazen coral]

I'm getting very close to nuclear power. I just have to set up everything to unlock it first, was rerouting all the raw materials to go into assemblers for supercomputers right now.

[brazen cove]

what about hypertubes? do they work?

[brazen coral]

Yeah

[brazen cove]

alright

[brazen coral]

Up until you hit that kill barrier xD

[karmic cosmos]

Damn ur at a good point

[sullen gull]

How do you know it wasn't a Camera? Eh? Eh? 😏

[leaden turret]

cameras work fine when facing up

[sullen gull]

Just sayin, Canon doesn't only make printers :p

[sour ledge]

alright so uh, need a liiittle advice here. I've got 1800 gas arriving by train in three pipelines of 600 each (with buffers/etc.).

I need to split those 3 600's into 4 450's to fuel my destination factory. Easiest way is going to be to put a junction off all 3 'mainlines' that merge into a single fourth and let the 'overflow' gas from the 3 fill that fourth one? or is there a better/different way

[leaden turret]

printers MRI machines work better when facing up

-# MRI machine is a glorified camera

[sullen gull]

Technically no.... The Soooper smart AI says different! 😏

[unkempt blade]

what is AI if not a camera that makes stuff up?

[leaden turret]

popping to #off-topic-general to continue this spitballing 😛

[whole drum]

Are these 4 pipes feeding into machines?

[sour ledge]

yeah, they'll be going into three blenders each

(that use 150/m each)\

[whole drum]

Why not have the 3 pipes feed 4 each?

[sour ledge]

... design constraints. #screenshots message lol

[wicked nacelle]

Just make an injected manifold

Just like you do with the 3:8 coal setup

[inner lintel]

I don't do any math in this game I just try to shove stuff into belts

[sour ledge]

as my screenshot shows: my factory is already something of a mess in its own right and im out of room to wiggle pipes around and get funky with it. I do, however, have lots of room where the trains unload to try and split three pipes into four with whatever layout i need to make that happen

the overflow into fourth pipe should work though, yeah? especially since its a gas so i dont need to worry about any fluid dynamics or whatnot

[whole drum]

As long as the draws are all correct

[sour ledge]

perfect fingers crossed

[whole drum]

You must prefill the pipes too, or the math won't work

[honest sleet]

my rifle is refusing to use homing rifle ammo, any idea why

i have lots

[whole drum]

Hold reload button

[honest sleet]

ok

yey fixed

never knew about that

[whole drum]

Rebar and nobs are like that too

[feral jay]

lol I only ever really use homing ammo once I unlock and automate it

Just spray and pray

[wicked nacelle]

It’s easy. I like normal rifle anmo for a little more damage per mag. And eventually it’s just more fun for me than homing ammo

But raining down hell from above on green spiders is a nice bit of revenge for what they do to me early game

[bitter shuttle]

#screenshots message i don't think you can fix this, only way is to start a new save

[wicked nacelle]

Nah just add more belts and it will be perfect

I think it needs more lifts too. Put some hypertubes in there as well

[feral jay]

Nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.

[wicked nacelle]

Did you figure this out?

[sour ledge]

yeah gilga answered me

it'll be awhile before i can actually uh... 'launch' - this factory was originally gonna just dilute fuel and then i went 'y not build a little more and make it rocket fuel' but that was a very not-so-little more and well, scope creep.

[shy mulch]

That has to be intentional. No way someone makes that much mess without actively trying to be spaghetti

[white dawn]

Multiplayer is buggier than singleplayer, but plenty of folks have a great time building with friends

Oh oops, sorry for the sort-of necropost there; Discord was stuck scrolled-up

[feral jay]

You're fired.

[sonic verge]

ill be abandoning 200+ hours on xbox to play it on PC. im kind of sad, i dont want to start over...

[open swallow]

just imagine how much better you'll do this next time around

[fading whale]

I may have spiraled on this one.
About to put down the final 56 blenders (7 blyeprints) for my Rocket Fuel site.
168 blenders total and 98 refineries.
Next, I just a handful of generators.

[white dawn]

Try to think of it as a fresh start, rather than a loss of progress!

[fading whale]

15 generators should be enough if I can just find away to overclock them by 9000%

[last wasp]

there is a raw quartz rock underwater preventing me to build something, there is a way to mine or remove it? It doesn't let me mine underwater, I tried blowing it up and nothing happens

[fading whale]

No need to be sad. You got 200+ hours of experience to get a waaaay better start on a new playthrough 🙂

[nocturne cairn]

try flying near it with parachute/hoverpack and breaking it

[fading whale]

Depending on how deep. With a hoverpack you have a longer "reach".

[nocturne cairn]

both of them increase your interaction range

[last wasp]

I don't have those unlocked yet 🙁

[fading whale]

Then, no 🙂 Chisel is the only way to get it away.
Bookmark it. Build around it. Unlock hoverpack. Come back later.

You can put a foundation about 0,5-1 meter below the water surface and still walk on it without swimming. Don't know if that is close enough to reach it.

[last wasp]

I let me build on top of it, like one 4m foundation above it, im just gonna build the whole thing 4m higher

[somber narwhal]

I want to make resin but I have to make fuel with it, which I have no way to dispose of

this clogs the machine and I can't automate, what should I do

[leaden turret]

what's clogging which machine?

[untold halo]

Package it and send it to the sink

[somber narwhal]

I need to refine oil into fuel which also makes resin but I haven't unlocked fuel generators yet so the fuel cant go anywhere

[somber narwhal]

i haven't unlocked fuel packaging

[leaden turret]

package and sink it, or buffer it and manually flush entire network until you've unlocked fuelgens

[untold halo]

Unlock packaging

[hard ivy]

and/or unlock fuel gens

[untold halo]

Unlock life

[somber narwhal]

so there's no way to automatically js get rid of liquids?

[hard ivy]

like it's only few hundred plastic/rubber. you can flush a buffer manually until then

[leaden turret]

🚽

or #1201555265942724758 and get someone to stand there and flush it

[hard ivy]

no, you have to use them for something

[untold halo]

I mean you got a coffee cup do you not

[somber narwhal]

guys 😭😭💔

[somber narwhal]

I didn't buy it lmao

[untold halo]

Drink up!!!

[leaden turret]

best way is to buffer the fuel until you've got fuelgens unlocked, as that'll give you more time to go do stuff

pipes and buffers can have their entire network flushed, so you wouldn't have to flush each machine individually

[fading whale]

What do you want to use the resin for?

[somber narwhal]

okay thanks

[somber narwhal]

research smt in the MAM

fabric I think

and if it's used for making the pcb thing then yeah

[fading whale]

Oh ok. So for now you only need it temporarily? Then a couple of tanks and manual flushing til you get packaging unlocked.

[somber narwhal]

okay thanks

[fading whale]

Didn't you already research fabric with mycelia and biomass?

[slow coral]

I just unlocked Sam it said special storage is needed, what storage do I need?

[fading whale]

It doesn't. It stores just like any other item 🙂

[feral jay]

head for the red forest I said, it's a GREAT idea I said...

[slow coral]

Oh ok.

[fading whale]

Just like black powder. You should probably keep it in a dry safe place behind a lock. but Ficsit doesn't care.

[nocturne cairn]

sam is cool like that, it can generate the protective container for itself

or maybe it's the ficsit technology that makes the containers out of thin air

[gray hill]

In my world I have multiple trains, I was wondering if there were anyway to hide specific trains from the map?

[gentle lion]

So I haven't been very far east apparently

I've been going east for awhile....

[inner lintel]

CHAT I'M GOING TO FINISH PHASE 4 TONIGHT

I never thought I'd get to trains let alone nuclear power, now I have both

[shy mulch]

There are things there, some of those things don't want you to be there

[inner lintel]

I have 1 lonely manufacturer making assembly control units lol this has taken like a week

[round crown]

Passive setting does wonders

[gentle lion]

First leg of my adaptive control unit factory section done. All required quartz into correct subparts

Copper being turned in wire then gotta finish the rest tomorrow

DON'T GET SIDETRACKED

[brazen cove]

i hate connecting water tubes to coal generators so much...

[versed cosmos]

just pipe two into one side of the array and the third into the other side

assuming 3 water extractors and 8 coal generators

[brazen cove]

i have problems with that lol

so you're telling me i can just fuse it just like with coal?

[unkempt blade]

liquids are liquids 😄

[versed cosmos]

yeah but you cant have all 3 water extractors trying to push water through 1 section of pipe

3 water extractors give you the 360 water needed for 8 generators but pipes can only handle 300 water/minute

[brazen cove]

so

2 fluid tubes?

[versed cosmos]

so you need to attach the third water extractor to the other side of the array so that no single section of pipe is handling more than 300

[brazen cove]

well time for complete redesign...

[versed cosmos]

imma load into my game and take a screenshot for u

[brazen cove]

OH and btw i've seen people making something like water towers, but i don't rlly know how to build it lol

[versed cosmos]

you just send the water up and back down

its useful for systems that have changing elevations but you shouldnt need that for coal power

[brazen cove]

got it, so i can use it for something that is rlly high up right?

[gray hill]

Water towers are very easy, so basically near where your source is (or wherever you want) Build really high up place a fluid buffer and connect it, to a point where it is higher than the highest point where your pipes would reach. So, if the highest point in your design is 120m high, make the water tower 140m high. That way you dont need pumps at all.

[brazen coral]

Yeah I'm at a really good point right now I'm not quite to phase 5 yet but it's the middle of phase 4 where I'm just getting set up in nuclear power almost once I unlock it and discover what that has to offer

[unkempt blade]

the general advice you're going to get is don't use water buffers (the tanks for towers)

[white dawn]

Water towers are quite unnecessary, btw. There's two different things people mean by 'em:

1. Merely pumping a pipe up high and then having it go "down" afterwards. Nothing that just a pump couldn't also do.
2. Exploiting some glitches in the fluid system to set up an effectively-disconnected Buffer up high, which then confers head lift to the rest of the water network. If you're comfortable basing your fluid functionality on a glitch which may or may not keep working in the future, I guess go for it. But pumps are cheap; just use pumps instead.

[gray hill]

I thought buffers were fine?

[karmic cosmos]

nuclear power = nightmares and conveyers

[white dawn]

No, at best buffers give you no real benefit, and at worst can cause weird problems if they're not built "correctly"

[brazen cove]

and i just realised that i'm not even on 2nd lvl of space elevator

[brazen coral]

But I already unlocked drones right before then so it's going to be much simpler

[unkempt blade]

They're fine as long as they're full. When they're less-than-full than can have some unintuitive behavior

[brazen cove]

what do buffers do?

[brazen coral]

Drones can still power off of nuclear power right?

[white dawn]

At least in terms of buffers "inline" with fluid systems. If you want to keep some liquids in a buffer to, like, flood systems or be backup fuel, then sure, use 'em for that. But I wouldn't recommend leaving those hooked up to a fluid system. Just fill + detach (and then re-attach if you do need 'em)

[brazen coral]

Do they actually have to be processed into the fuel rods or can they use raw?

For the drones I mean

[white dawn]

(One exception: if you're using fluid freight platforms w/ trains, you do need a buffer in there to properly buffer the fluid)

[modest needle]

What is the best spawn guys ?

[white dawn]

In terms of nuclear material, drones will only accept the rods

[white dawn]

Whichever one you want

[brazen coral]

Okay

[unkempt blade]

I think I disagree with this one and would instead suggest using more trains for that route

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t think so

[white dawn]

The descriptions of the starting areas on the selection screen are pretty accurate

[brazen cove]

so wait. 1 pipeline is used for 3 water extractors?

am i right?

[wicked nacelle]

Sort of

[white dawn]

Not exactly -- 3 water extractors at 100% produce 360/min total water, whereas mk1 pipes can only carry 300/min throughput

[wicked nacelle]

You have to feed it multiple places to not exceed 300

[white dawn]

If you're talking about an 8:3 coal gen setup, the trick is that you need some creative piping to overcome that limitation

[brazen cove]

2 for 1 then?

[white dawn]

(Which will ultimately involve sending more than one pipe into the coal gens)

[brazen cove]

@versed cosmos thanks, got it

[wicked nacelle]

That doesn’t require any fancy plumbing no

[white dawn]

If you want some spoilers, search for "CG" on the wiki. There's some diagrams there for piping layouts which work fine

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[white dawn]

(Which aren't the only way to do it; I actually tend to pipe mine differently)

Or, yeah, we can just spoil in the channel. :D

[brazen coral]

But if you're also wanting to extract the most water possible 300 is the limit for Mark 1 pipes, which is one fully overclocked water pump at 250%

It gets better later on when you unlock turbo fuel

Early game hunt for recipes and just store them away until you get to at least aluminum processing/ nuclear power

Well I mean hard drives but same thing

[wicked nacelle]

I like the early
Options so I always use the hard drives right away. Easier to get inventory upgrades early

[brazen coral]

Inventory upgrades are really good early on but most of them you gets from the MAM

[hard mantle]

merry ficsmas everyone

[wicked nacelle]

Bah humbug!

[gray hill]

Merry ficsmas to you too!

[charred thistle]

i think my save got corrupted the game crashed and all my inventory is empty 😭😭😭

[hard mantle]

aw that sucks

also why did i get a nuclear nobelisk when i havent even built the space elevator yet 😭

ficsmas is crazy

20 power shards too?

[charred thistle]

THE DEATH CRATE IS UNDER THE MAP

HOW DO I GET IT I HAD 40+ TICKETS FOR THE SHOP

[hard mantle]

what did you have in it? cause im sure you can just get it back in time

oh nevermind.

[charred thistle]

:C

[reef basin]

load previous save

[brazen coral]

If you have auto save on and you haven't changed it just try going back a couple saves

[charred thistle]

trying now

okok it worked

crisis averted

[brazen coral]

Also, I've turned off dropping inventory on death so would recommend if you don't love hunting down your materials

[charred thistle]

i did have it on tho

[compact flicker]

It is possible to get under the map, if you have enough healing items

[brazen coral]

That is strange

Did you have anything radioactive on you?

[charred thistle]

no?

[brazen coral]

I've had radioactive stuff drop off me because well I'm not really sure why and I still have inventory drop off

[compact flicker]

If you die sufficiently far away from the intended area, the game won't give you your inventory back

[charred thistle]

:c

[compact flicker]

It doesn't stop you from dropping items, it just gives you the items back when you respawn

[brazen coral]

Good to know

Now to get a factory ready for heavy frames and supercomputers 😄

[unkempt blade]

I think this game needs a hardcore mode where it deletes your save when you die

dropping inventory isn't enough of a penalty

[wind siren]

yeah, you have fun with that

[compact flicker]

Masochism

[brazen cove]

yeah i think this water loadout will work

[unkempt blade]

it's fun in other games and it's waaaaay harder to die in satis than those games 😄

[compact flicker]

Oh I've beaten several games in hardcore, but none of them can realistically have a playthrough take hundreds of hours lol

[brazen cove]

and now my water can't reach the last coal generators. great

[unkempt blade]

you feeding it from 2 sides?

[brazen cove]

mb

but what if i will need more coal generators after? do i just remake it almost from the scratch or?

[versed cosmos]

you get oil power

[gentle lion]

How fast are the trains , if I make one to drop off compacted coal it's over 2.5 km away

[brazen cove]

lvl 2 or lvl 3 of space elevator?

[plain gate]

120km/h

[brazen cove]

idk which one

[versed cosmos]

trains get pretty good throughput

[plain gate]

around 5-6 m/s^2 accel on level terrain with full load

[versed cosmos]

you'd have to be doing something pretty intense to need more than what a train can give you

[unkempt blade]

You add another row of generators and you update the pipes. Shouldn't be hard to make updates that early in the game

[gentle lion]

So fastest things besides I'm assuming drone which have direct flight path

[plain gate]

a train as in one? you can pretty easily exceed that

[reef basin]

depends on how much they carry, what the route looks like, what signals, etc.

[brazen cove]

it's already 2 sides of generators lol.

[gentle lion]

Just one train nothing else point a to b in a loop

The columns people build on are from the awesome shop ?

[brazen cove]

anyways that's a problem for later for me

[versed cosmos]

he's already a pro

[gentle lion]

You'll probably have oil power before yoh run out of coal power thata what I did.

[reef basin]

again, depends on many things

[brazen cove]

i'm talking about my problems lol

[barren glacier]

why is it impossible to make motors without making use of a manifold

ive tried like every combination of recipes and machines 😭

[reef basin]

it is not?

[gentle lion]

I'm making plenty of compacted coal per minute and have one full industrial storage container full of it ready to go.

[barren glacier]

pls elighten me

[leaden turret]

load balancing requires math

[hard ivy]

1. Why would you not want to use a manifold?
2. It's always possible

[barren glacier]

manifolds pmo i hate having to wait for my factory to work

[hard ivy]

So you instead spend even more time avoiding them?

[leaden turret]

there's a game in the hub to pass your time with if you don't wanna faff around with aesthetics

[barren glacier]

wat

ik manifolds are important especially with later components i just feel like motors are so early that there has to be something i can do

[hard ivy]

Plus, it's not like you have to look at it while it's filling. You can just go do literally anything else

[gentle lion]

Oh...steel screws alt popped up...might grab that one

[versed cosmos]

better to pick an alt that avoids screws

[twin helm]

Setting up a 100k mw generator grid, omg ts taking a while (my prev cap was 6.8k lmao)

[versed cosmos]

it is good if you ABSOLUTELY need screws

[twin helm]

Hoping this means i wont have to worry about power for a while

[sour ledge]

its been awhile, but: you're making me feel much better for my 3600 rocket fuel that i already felt like had spiralled out of control. At least I only needed 6 overclocked blenders!

[gentle lion]

I love screws

[tacit trellis]

U can hand load some of the machines in the manifold

[gentle lion]

And my HMF factory is always lagging I screws lol

[round crown]

There better then doing the exact math for load balancing

[versed cosmos]

heavy encased frames

[hard ivy]

You only need them for rotors in tier 2. That's it

[barren glacier]

i wish fuel generators consumed more fuel and made more power. idk why fuel power plants require like 400 machines 😭

anyways oh well i guess i can just cave in to the manifold 🤷‍♀️

[hard ivy]

Bro they've been buffed in 1.0 and I think they shouldn't've been

[versed cosmos]

so you can post it in #screenshots

[tacit trellis]

💀 load balanced eventually turn into a manifold if you do the maths wrong

[sour ledge]

honestly, they consume a fine amount for regular fuel but they really do get out of hand once you start using turbo/rocket/ionized. A more fuel-hungry generator for the higher fuels would be nice

[unkempt blade]

the screws must flow!

[gentle lion]

That would be nice since I have iron pipes and encased pipes.

[barren glacier]

yes, i agree. regular fuel is fine - maybe like a mk.2 fuel generator in a later milestone?

[hard ivy]

A balancer is always a balancer even if you don't use each output equally

[versed cosmos]

a mk2 fuel generator would be incredible for the later fuels

[round crown]

Im always overproducing screws

[unkempt blade]

math is fun-damental

[barren glacier]

idk. they're teasing 1.2 right? and i think the update has some focus on fluids so maybe

[sour ledge]

yeah im not sure who wanted fluid trucks, but they're comin'

[versed cosmos]

two top tier recipes for encased frames

[barren glacier]

not using this whatsoever but i would like some mk.3 pipes and a mk.2 water extractor

[versed cosmos]

just run the pipes and concrete through a manifold feeding the assemblers for encased pipes

[round crown]

Someone out there did

[versed cosmos]

and let the overflow go to the manufacturer

[unkempt blade]

It's me. I wanted them!

[gentle lion]

Stitched iron plate would be nice for regular frames

[round crown]

I did enough math calculating how much resources I need for 400 fuel gens

[barren glacier]

i feel like a mk.2 oil extractor and pressurizer might be too OP tho i dont think those would be added

[sour ledge]

it seems somehow appropriate that the guy who drives a factory cart around for item distribution is also the guy who wanted fluid trucks.

[versed cosmos]

for regular frames i just use cast screws

[round crown]

Because to hell with making supercomputer for nuclear

[versed cosmos]

its not so much that it becomes annoying

[round crown]

I use cast screws for screws in general

[gentle lion]

I have cast screws ....it's not enough

[unkempt blade]

Vehicles make the factory feel a lot more alive. Conveyors and pipes are boring logistics

[versed cosmos]

yeah fuck making screws the normal way

[round crown]

@unkempt blade you drive a factory cart?

Are you ok

[unkempt blade]

they're faster than blade runners

[gentle lion]

You have vehicles in your factory running around ?

[barren glacier]

dont u need supercomputers for 2 of the late game machines 😭

[round crown]

Even with sliding

[hard ivy]

yeah fuck making screws the normal way

[sour ledge]

lmao honestly part of me would like trucks to be more reliable so you could setup a city-looking infrastructure, but.... man, talk about a creepy ghost village. Automated trucks driving around everywhere but still not a soul in sight...

[round crown]

And jumping

[unkempt blade]

What's not reliable about them? The routes run themselves once you set them up

[gentle lion]

Which ones you use?

[sour ledge]

i had 'em going for awhile but they constantly got 'stuck' once i started getting lots of them, and especially on load sometimes they'd all 'pause' and i'd have to go manually move on to get the line going again

[round crown]

By time im there i'll have a factory made for just super computers. But im using one factory rn and its a spaghetti mess. Routing these super computers is hell rn

[sour ledge]

i tried googling around and all i found was reddit posts about people having the same issues with trucks, so i abandoned them as an inferior option to trains

[unkempt blade]

weird, even when I occasionally have an issue it fixes itself as soon as I'm out of range doing something else

[sour ledge]

part of it might be that i was a terrible driver so all the routes ended up a little jittery

but i definitely aint gonna sit here practicing truck driving so i can more reliably train ai lol

[round crown]

People always told me truck routing sucks

[barren glacier]

it's not that they're super unreliable but they are the only logistics method that's prone to getting stuck 😭 trains, drones, and belts dont have that issue

[unkempt blade]

NVIDIA tried that already and it just taught the cars about roadrage. Total machine learning failure 🙁

[hard ivy]

You can get a train stuck if you try

[unkempt blade]

trains for sure get stuck if you have enough train traffic and don't set up intersections right

[barren glacier]

yeah u need to have some proficiency with the signals and things

i guess the benefit with trucks is it's easier to setup than trains and belts

drones function the same tho and do it better, although they're much later in the game

[hard ivy]

How is it easier when you have to drive the entire route there and back

You can pull a belt or rail faster than that

[barren glacier]

depends on how sloppy you want your belt/track to be

[unkempt blade]

The main problem drones have is throughput (and to a much lesser extent power/fuel cost since you get them so late). Even a factory cart route can vastly outperform a drone route

[barren glacier]

if u dont care for aesthetics then ya the setup might be quicker. if u want things like straight belts and nicely curved train tracks then setting up the truck would prob be faster

that is true, i wouldnt rely on a drone for anything with a high throughput

[versed cosmos]

drones are good for hard to reach places like the rocky desert uranium

[unkempt blade]

but trains can look so cool getting to those places! #screenshots message

[versed cosmos]

that IS fucking cool

[unkempt blade]

I did use drones more before I got really into having a global train network as a project

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q="train spiral"

[gray hill]

My power supply always matches my power consumption, is that normal?

[leaden turret]

biogens ?

[gray hill]

nah i've got coal, fuel, geothermal and nuclear

[charred thistle]

2.4GW on biofuel alone

[reef basin]

2.4 kW is like nothing

that doesn't power even idle machine

[versed cosmos]

don't we already measure power in megawatts lol

[gray hill]

yeah i thought we always measured in megawatts?

[reef basin]

we measure power in watts

[charred thistle]

im dum it's 2,400 MW

[gray hill]

no in game?

[reef basin]

ingame we measure in watts

[unkempt blade]

2.4 kilomegawatts?

[gray hill]

Eveyrthing is showing as MW in mine?

Oh wait im stupid MW is watts

[charred thistle]

yes i dunno im stoopid

[reef basin]

MW is watts with "mega" prefix

[gray hill]

yeah lol had that sudden realisation lol

[unkempt blade]

nah you're smart and talented and I believe in you

[charred thistle]

im just a dog vro

deforested a continent for my power

[unkempt blade]

And yet you built 2.4 kilomegawatts of biofuel power. Only a genius could do that

[versed cosmos]

kilomegawatts is funny lol

[gray hill]

This is like the most inefficent way but i've got two factories, Factory a and b. In factory A im creating the fuel canisters to package nitrogen gas and then using drones to transport them to factory b. In factory b, its packaged and then gets transported back to factory A with another drone lol

[versed cosmos]

shipping packages back and forth for long distance fluids is perfectly valid

and if you dont need enormous throughput its fine

[reef basin]

*gases

[unkempt blade]

sounds like it's very fun-efficient though and that's what matters

[gray hill]

Nah cause i've got a bauxite ore vein nearby and i cant be bothered running like a 4km pipeline lol

but tbh its more fun with drones and looks wayyyy cooler

in my world i've started running unnescary trains just for looks lol

[unkempt blade]

gratuitous vehicle use is the way

[charred thistle]

:D

I hate coal power we pulling a Jeff bezos

[coral glacier]

Coal power plants are yucky

[versed cosmos]

but what about the tasty carbon emissions

[last wasp]

I don't have drones yet, and im suck with railing. I have a storage next to every tube entrance, I dump my whole inventory inside of it and then fill it with whatever I want to move.

[coral glacier]

That's exactly why i said it was yucky

Nuclear power plants are far safer

[compact flicker]

I have finished my first concrete plant, I am now uploading 1,440 a minute.

Creating 270 a minute, with a 963,000 buffer

I am limited by my belt speed 😭

[compact flicker]

60 hrs to fill :p

[last wasp]

what you do with that much concrete?

[minor seal]

hello everyone, i wonder whether we may get a road construction system similar to the railway construction system (with splines) Watched already a few tutorial videos, but heck, that looks a bit complicated. I appreciate there is a blueprint system tho. (unfortunately i own the PS5 version, so unless there will be an ingame / official blueprint sharing system, i am out of luck here using "external" blueprints)

(talking of curved roads, mergers / splitters etc)

but anyways, maybe i will try to build the suggested blueprints aka road parts on my own... hmmm

[leaden turret]

no such plans have been confirmed as of yet

[minor seal]

plans regarding spline roads or regarding blueprint sharing ?

[leaden turret]

both

[reef basin]

I don't think we need that, road building is not required for vehicles to work and there's tons of natural roads. You practically only build roads if you want it to look nice or that you're bridging a gap or something

[minor seal]

yup, i would technically see it as "nice to have" tho... the vehicles "can" drive over the terrain as well, except for gaps. Just for the "eyecandy" 🙂

[leaden turret]

it's something they've expressed an interest in (both) but not said anyting about it coming in any particular update.

[minor seal]

i guess i may try to build the road pieces blueprints on my own... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ye_GiB9bC0 (so a blueprint repo / integrated sharing system could be nice to have as well 🙂 )

[leaden turret]

there may also have been technical reasons why we don't have spline roads; items on spline belts aren't physically simulated, I'm not sure if trains are physically simulated until they collide

October 14th, 2025 Livestream
Q&A: Is the spline hitbox issue why we don't have buildable Road pieces?
https://youtu.be/ro5vNez6Ujc

[minor seal]

aah good point tho regarding physics

[leaden turret]

now granted, vehicles aren't physically simulated when they're far away, buuuuut they are nearby.

plus there's also the question of this:
do they just add spline foundations, or do they add roads that actually require a fundamental change in how autopilot works?

arbitrary spline foundations would be fun for aesthetics

(because it also implies the possibility of spline beams, pillars etc.)

[minor seal]

oh, seems a message got lost lol... anyways. it was about an access to the blueprint repo from ingame so its easier to use on console

[versed cosmos]

i imagine changing autopilot would mean existing autopilots on peoples' saves would break

[leaden turret]

actual functional roads however, would _probably _ require a fundamental change to the autopilot path node editing system so you can manually snap an autopilot path to a road you just rebuilt because the auto snapping made it go the long way around

[versed cosmos]

so they wouldnt wanna do that

[sullen gull]

Isn't this more a limitation of the consoles vs the game?

[leaden turret]

version header in the metadata, problem solved

[minor seal]

console limitation, totally, yeah... you have no filesystem access to copy stuff around

[leaden turret]

blueprints on consoles are baked-to-save thus have cloudsync
blueprints on PC are not-baked-to-save and thus do not have cloudsync

there's a fundamental disparity with reusing and syncing blueprints between platforms.

[minor seal]

ah interesting detail 🙂

[leaden turret]

what has been asked for previously was blueprints in steam workshop, buuuut that would only work for steam users, leaving out both epic and now consoles also.

[sullen gull]

Heh, I would probably low-key hate the game if I couldn't share blueprints between saves 😛

[leaden turret]

so they'd want a solution that:

• worked across steam, epic, xbox, ps5 (because platform-specific blueprints would suuuuuuuuck)
• have sanity checks to avoid modded content metadata sneaking in because consoles not having mods at present
• have sanity checks to avoid the system crashing because @grave burrow found a bug

[minor seal]

seen mod io for example elsewhere in console games, but thats probably a "half baked" thing as well

[sullen gull]

Save editing is also nice, but could probably be ok if I didn't have that ability.

[unkempt blade]

but dirt makes factory carts sad 🙁

the unpaved ground is their only natural predator

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory-memes message

[minor seal]

the route recording is nice to for the trucks, only a little thing is annoying... the record menu obstructs your "driving view" a bit hence you can easily run into accidents and your record is lost lol

[leaden turret]

recover from accident, backtrack, continue on, delete faulty nodes later

[sullen gull]

Lol, I saw it. Again ... 🙂

[leaden turret]

the latest meme post is too long for tenor so won't load in discord search

(is in giphy tho)

[minor seal]

aaah, so you can actually "re-use" parts of the previous recorded path ? i went earlier by recording the whole route again lol

[sullen gull]

No,

[versed cosmos]

you can edit the path a bit by deleting nodes

[sullen gull]

You don't stop recording, you just continue the route, and you can "edit it" afterwards

[winged lagoon]

hi

Im back

back again

shadys back

[minor seal]

i see i see... lol... i have also been building a (simple) road from my main factory to an oil field, high above in the sky... and also built a pipeline along that path back to my factory , maybe 3 - 4km or so

[unkempt blade]

It's Nick Lachey! Welcome back!

[limpid cairn]

Blueprint string like in factorio

[minor seal]

yup a json-based format could do the trick, if it was separated from the save... and contains sanity checks regarding existing mods

[leaden turret]

and the json data would come from....

[unkempt blade]

I just use a git repo so they're versioned. That should be perfect for consoles

[limpid cairn]

The player ofc! I personally expect every player to hand craft a .json file

[leaden turret]

with a 🎮

[minor seal]

if my pc was just a bit more powerful i could enjoy satisfactory on pc instead, but its basically a bit underpowered so to say. then i could resort to blueprint files, build a few "fancy" roads and call it a day lol.

[limpid cairn]

but tbh it can’t be hard to convert the blueprint into a string or anything no?

[unkempt blade]

we could put an IDE on the computer in the hub and let them write it there

[limpid cairn]

Probably is possible but I doubt Sony or Microsoft will let you create a new file

[leaden turret]

¬¬ blueprints are strings already ¬¬

the issue is hosting and distribution

[limpid cairn]

Copy what ever factorio has

[minor seal]

lol a coding terminal inside satisfactory, neat

[unkempt blade]

this is where git really shines 😄

[leaden turret]

nah, 'tis fugly

[leaden turret]

there's a mod for that

[limpid cairn]

Wish we had one for programmable splitters

[unkempt blade]

wait really? that's awesome

[leaden turret]

ficsit networks, has been highlighted on the dev stream a couple of times

[unkempt blade]

I don't watch the dev streams or use mods 😆

[leaden turret]

tl:dr; type lua, make shit happen

[twin helm]

Finally set up a new power grid, went from 6800 to 100kmw

[sullen gull]

And connect everything to "network"...

[twin helm]

That should be enough for ever.....right. right....

[limpid cairn]

There’s no kmw

[minor seal]

a dyson sphere could generate even more power lol

[unkempt blade]

my last save finished with like 400 kilomegawatts but a lot of that was just overusing sloops+OC

[twin helm]

100k mw*

[reef basin]

kMW doesn't exist btw

[limpid cairn]

Still not right but we’re getting there!

[reef basin]

neither does k MW

[minor seal]

Gigawatts ?

[twin helm]

100,000mw

[reef basin]

yeah, or 100GW

[twin helm]

Yk what i meant

[unkempt blade]

this is a science fiction game maybe it does in this universe

[limpid cairn]

only a 100mw?

[twin helm]

Theres an elevator to space and im getting bullied for incorrect terminology

[unkempt blade]

100 milliterawatts?!?

[versed cosmos]

oh my god i went slug hunting on the spire coast and i have like 1000 shards

[unkempt blade]

or 1 kiloshard

[strong fiber]

Is there a reason to learn compacted coal recipe

[sullen gull]

Yes

[versed cosmos]

you'll use it for turbo fuel later

[strong fiber]

I will use my last hardrive on it then

[versed cosmos]

i wouldn't learn it before you plan to use it

there's plenty of hard drives on the map

[minor seal]

btw can you automate the creation of bio fuel ? lol... iirc you need to pick up all the plants and wood by hand

[strong fiber]

Oh wait i still need 5 alternate recipes

[versed cosmos]

everything after the picking up the plants

[strong fiber]

Most you can automate it is by making ut so you just have to put wood and leaves in

[versed cosmos]

you can run a container into a smart splitter that sorts the leaves and wood

[reef basin]

you can get all of them

[native tapir]

But do you want all of them

[strong fiber]

I also got pure iron ingot and caterium circut board btw

[reef basin]

yes

[versed cosmos]

well maybe not biocoal lmao

[native tapir]

Whatever Greeny says goes. He is much smarter than me

[reef basin]

why not?

[strong fiber]

or charcoal

[versed cosmos]

actually id want it so i can leave it in the mam lol

[reef basin]

it's decent for ammo production without coal or similar

[strong fiber]

What about biocoal

[versed cosmos]

same thing

[strong fiber]

exactly

[versed cosmos]

leave it in the mam

[minor seal]

hmm i think we may miss an automated leaves / wood harvester in order to automate picking up those resources... btw i wonder... do they ingame actually re-grow ?

[unkempt blade]

it's the best recipe that isn't cast screws

[dense violet]

you can turns pigs into uranium rods with bio coal

or have temp ammo factories that make ammo and explosives on demand

people just aren't creative and shit on it

[strong fiber]

Les go i got crystal computers

The numbers for crystal computers is so bad like 1.667/min bruh

Also is ai limiters and highspeed connecters something imma need alot of later

[whole drum]

People don't want to be bothered with having something semi/non-automated when they can just have it automated

[strong fiber]

Also dont u need converters for that

[sullen gull]

Not everyone follows a "set of rules". There are most likely a few that would "because they can"

[whole drum]

There are plenty like that

But I'm just saying that someone not doing it isn't necessarily because they aren't creative or w/e

[round crown]

Genuine question WHY does bio coal exist

[strong fiber]

Where do i start if i wanna merge my trains onto one network

[whole drum]

Because it's a sandbox game, so it's another toy to play with

[round crown]

Fair,but usually everything at least has a use.

If only bio resources could be automated

[reef basin]

to convert biomass into coal

[dense violet]

or urods? sure. Not for ammo

[strong fiber]

thats what i thought

[dense violet]

not all thigns you need have to be continuously automated

[whole drum]

It does have a use. It's just not super convenient or optimal. But the devs aren't hardcore worried about making sure everything is.

[limpid inlet]

Dude my factory sucks ass

1800 max consumption and 500 current

so much idle from too much stuff

[strong fiber]

Mine is the same way

[round crown]

Got a point there. My brain autos to automating tho if it can't be automated then its a ❌

[strong fiber]

But it doesn’t mean its necessarily bad

I see the perfectly straight orange line in my sleep

[round crown]

@dense violet anyway im starting my fuel gens when I get home. If you don't mind i'll update you on my progress......and any help I may need ober the course of whats probably gonna be a few weeks

[dense violet]

rip your brain I guess

[unkempt blade]

add sinks for everything

[dense violet]

shouldn't take that long to build

[round crown]

Assuming everything goes right. I tried unlocking nuclear but my factory is a bunch of spaghetti rn so doing the logistics for super computers is....not fun. And making a factory for it would require power i already do not have

[ebon cave]

Uh i have like 20 lifts bringing coal down from a cliff then another 400 m on conveyors is that good or no or should I move

[unkempt blade]

what are you using the coal for?

[ebon cave]

Coal power

[unkempt blade]

no water on top of the cliff?

[dense violet]

didn't you say you had 100gw?

[ebon cave]

Hold on I’ll show it in a screenshot

[ebon cave]

No there is but my factory is down below it

[round crown]

No I said im in the process of making 100gw

[ebon cave]

Below the cliff

[dense violet]

ah

[unkempt blade]

why not build coal gens up there and run a single power line down instead of all the conveyors?

[ebon cave]

Oh is that better?

Ig so

[round crown]

Ik nuclear is more efficient but my base is NOT taking the time to unlock nuclear would just take more time then actually making fuel gens off rip

The only issue....I need to move my plastic,rubber, and aluminum

[ebon cave]

Umm look in screenshot I sent th pic

Idk how to reference it

[round crown]

@dense violet do you have your aluminum in its own factory

[covert vault]

Mark 10 belts when? :-P#screenshots message

[dense violet]

depends - just going up the tiers? I'll process the ingots and ship it somewhere

sandbox projects? I'll have things brought to it and process up usually

[ebon cave]

@unkempt blade

[fickle oriole]

is there a mod that can let me know if I have mismatched belts? e.g. a Mk3 network with an overlooked Mk2 section?

[unkempt blade]

how I'd think about stuff like this is in general power is easier to move than solids and solids are easier to move than liquids

so if you didn't have water up there or if you were making steel with the coal maybe it makes sense to move the solid

[ebon cave]

Alr I will just do that ty

There’s a like right next to it

[round crown]

So you do seperate it most of the time? Wondering if I should have a factory for just aluminum

[ebon cave]

Lake

[dense violet]

well depends how you define 'most of the time'

my time going up the tiers is a small fraction of my sand box game after I unlock everything

I'll have aluminium processed in one section of a factory and then side factories making all sorts of other thigns

[round crown]

So what projects dk you have currently?

[bitter lodge]

How many ingots are being processed?

[dense violet]

depends, on my last one? about 10k

[bitter lodge]

HUH?

[dense violet]

I've been paused on a uranium project for a long time. - waiting for a few mods to get up dated :\

[dense violet]

10,000

[round crown]

Did you say 10,000 ALLUMNIUM

[sullen gull]

With blueprints, and a bit of work, it's rather easy to mine all the bauxite on the map.

[dense violet]

yes it was a central factory that helped make... well basically all the late tier items around it

[round crown]

Oh you don't play vanilla? What mods do you use?

[dense violet]

mostly just building mods that help you shift things around

fancy architecture

[round crown]

@bitter lodge did you give up on your train

[dense violet]

it's very vanilla friendly for hte most part

[bitter lodge]

I am damn near doing that as well

Cobalt are you using mk3?

[dense violet]

mk3... belts?

[bitter lodge]

For fucking sure did.

[bitter lodge]

Miners

[dense violet]

oh, yeah once I unlock them sure

[bitter lodge]

@round crown I stopped using the trains because I needed like solid belt numbers. Not 780 constantly. So a belt highway is a lot easier to manage and use.

[round crown]

Gotcha since one giant factory seems to be a bad idea i think i'll have a factory for all my iron,copper,and insert raw resource needs and then if something requires alot of whatever(like super computers) i'll make it on its own. Just might not be totally independent of itself

[round crown]

Yea but trains are prettier

[bitter lodge]

Yes, but it would require...15 cargos...

[tawny flower]

what would be the most inefficient way to transport items over a long distance?

just a quick question i need to know

[round crown]

That is alot

[silk ocean]

Trains

[dense violet]

that requires a TON more logistics if you're then shipping the ingots everywhere, but it's an option

[tawny flower]

i was thinking a tractor road

[dense violet]

define 'inneficient' ?

[silk ocean]

Eww xD

[dense violet]

peopel throw that word around without any meaning

[versed cosmos]

always try to reduce the volume of items you're moving

[tawny flower]

the slowest and biggest waist of time

[versed cosmos]

turn your ingots into the next stage of items then ship by train

[dense violet]

as long as you have the throughput it's not inneficient, doesn't matter if it's slow

[ivory condor]

Carrying it yourself

[round crown]

So would the better alternative be for everything to be independent.

Like my iron factory makes all my iron stuff
Copper copper

Etc etc but thats less efficient then just making them independent?

[tawny flower]

YES thank you very much

[ivory condor]

The pioneer is the only logistics

[silk ocean]

Trains are by far the best imo, they are fast, flexible, can carry vast amounts of cargo, if you build a global network you can basically add as many trains as you like and just send them

[ivory condor]

Well you wanted the most inefficient and that would be it

[dense violet]

again, 'efficien't doesn't really apply here.

if you have lots of basic ingots in one place, you can ship them wherever you like sure. That's less factory planning

but it's as lot more logistics planning

if you plan a factory where it has all or most of the resources you need right next door, it's more factory planning but less logistics planning

depends how you like to do things

me? I plan really local factories

[tawny flower]

but it depends what the factory its delivering to needs. For example what if a factory needs a constant sorce for some form of energy?

[silk ocean]

Trains

Seeing a trend here? xD

[wicked nacelle]

Just any vehicle or some specific one you have in mind?

[tawny flower]

they dont deliver a constant flow of items unless you have 50 of them times perfectly which would be way to expensive and difficult to achieve but that is something id do

[round crown]

Yea I was thinking of having g one factory doing ALL of my ingot needs and then having it all be shipped out to the factorys that need it

[silk ocean]

It's never a problem as long as overall you are moving enough. There are huge buffers in the freight platforms, and you can double buffer if you really want to during offload

[wicked nacelle]

What do you have to time perfectly?

[round crown]

Instead of every factory making so many of each resource for independency

[tawny flower]

trains. If You wants a constant flow

[tawny flower]

ok

[reef basin]

that sounds like a logistical nightmare

[dense violet]

it could be a really fun project - if you're into that

but I'd only do something liek this once you have good practice with trains + after you've unlocked everything and making an overall plan

[round crown]

It sounds easier then planning out what each individual factory is making. Esp if I want alot of every resource

[dense violet]

it's not 🙂

[reef basin]

it's actually harder imo

[silk ocean]

Say you want 1200/sec of something, you can double-offload from the freight platform into two storage containers, and then merge the outputs of those two containers. This means you're offloading at 2400/sec, but when trains are unloading there is a pause in flow so the offload-buffers can continue to output the 1200/sec, and then it will "catch up" when the train has departed

[ivory condor]

Yes

[round crown]

In other words.....this is not a first playthrough project

[wicked nacelle]

You just set them to leave when empty and they can be there early no problem

[dense violet]

I wouldn't
but also remember those planner links from a minute ago? you can throw together a factory plan like that in seconds with Tools

takes extra time swapping recipes and planning locations ofc

[tawny flower]

oohhh

[ivory condor]

Personally i wouldnt make all ingots in one location, way to much logistic work for little benefit

Instead i would focus logistics on moving more important things

[round crown]

How so? If all my ingots are being made in one spot then I can have a factory making all my tier one resources(everything up to making rplates and rotors.
Factorys making tier 2. Resources and shipping those out and etc etc rather then having each factory individually make all the resources needed for whatever the en product would be made. Which is fine for smaller amounts but what about large amounts?

[dense violet]

planning all the trains in and out, what sections are going where, nightmare fuel

it's effort and time

[reef basin]

you make same amount of buildings, but need more logistics and planning

[round crown]

Thats this game in a nutshell

This entire game is effort and time

[dense violet]

this is 10x the work though for hte same result

[dense violet]

don't get me wrong, one day I'm going to make a giant smeltery for Copper and Iron Alloy, + Tempered caterium - but that will take weeks of planning

[whole drum]

Not to mention the main reason not to do it: the performance hit

[reef basin]

yeah but no reason to add more

[whole drum]

How many frames/s can you carry on your belts?

[reef basin]

20 at most

[strong fiber]

How do i make a train station area

[dense violet]

plan it out 🙂 put down stations

[silk ocean]

Lots of foundations xD

[unkempt blade]

any but the cyberwagon are wonderful 😄

[round crown]

It feels like less buildings. My end goal is to make enough of every single resource where I would never have to worry about making anything because im making that much.

But assuming everything is independent of eachother having like 5 factorys making iron plates for everything that needs them AND a factory thats just iron plates that just go to storage seems like alot more work then making 1 factory for all the ingots. One factory for all the plates,screws,rods and tier one items,one factory for all the copper stuff,one factory for the various tier 2 items etcetc

[reef basin]

you need same amount of buildings for same amount of production

[hard mantle]

i have the perfect start to a factory for my world its in screenshots if you wanna check it out

[dense violet]

plus all the extra buildings for logistics , trains , stations, infrastructure to move stuff

[whole drum]

1200 plates/m requires the same # of constructors, regardless of location

[reef basin]

if your goal is 10 RIPs to storage and 10 RIPs for modular frames, you have to build 20, doesn't matter if centralised or not

[dense violet]

only if you don't need to move it

[whole drum]

Why would that change how many constructors are needed?

[dense violet]

no constructors, all the other buildings and objects required moving and receiving

[whole drum]

Right, that's a separate point

And a valid one

[round crown]

But would the production not me much more organized and therefore way easier to logistics. Since most resources are being made in its entirely in one place.

Rather then 2,3 or 4 factorys all making that same resource but not depending on eachother

[strong fiber]

how do signals work bro

[reef basin]

not really

[whole drum]

That's just the thing. It usually makes it much less organized because it's too much stuff in too little space

[reef basin]

imo it's more organised if separate

[hard mantle]

how good of a start is this? i have a starter factory that fully automates rods plates and screws and it uses 3 biomass burners but it burns the stuff slow enough for me to gather more so they never run out

[whole drum]

Especially when you factor the logistics of bringing everything to that central location in the first place

[versed cosmos]

definitely a good start

you're gonna want to automate reinforced plates and rotors next. that'll take more power

[dense violet]

it's fine? you're in the pre tutorial - just build what you need and go 🙂

[versed cosmos]

do you have wire and cable automated?

and concrete?

[hard mantle]

im gonna get some concrete going and then wire and cable

[versed cosmos]

nice

you'll use a lot of concrete

[strong fiber]

I dont understand it

[whole drum]

Just FYI, the quick math on Reinforced Plates (known as "rips") is 120/raw iron = 2 assemblers making 10 rips/m

[hard mantle]

okay so i would need 2 pure nodes/4 normal nodes of iron

[whole drum]

No, half that

[versed cosmos]

you can also do 60 iron/minute to 1 assembler if you don't have a pure node or mk2 belts yet

[whole drum]

1 pure node is 120/m

[reef basin]

you need 120 iron. Don't count in nodes

[broken quarry]

Is there a channel to ask about pc specs for satisfactory?

[round crown]

But that area is ALOT bigger since it making more. Tho it would be make more then just plates.

It would Likely be making plates rods oretty much anything only taking ingots in bulk

Another would be making copper stuff in bulk

Another would be making rplates,rotors and frames in bulk etc etc

Compared to each factory making a little of everything. The iron plates factory is also making Rplates and the modular frame factory has its own rplates being made for it

And then how the hell woild I handle making the more advanced products

Like super computers

Would computers be made in one area then shipped? Or would everything made for supercomputer be made in one area

[hard mantle]

this factory is insane, i got it up and running about 10-15ish minutes ago and its making me so much stuff

[reef basin]

yeah, but in total your map makes the same things, no matter if independent or centralised

[whole drum]

You just bring the local resources to where you need to make the product, then--later--when even more advanced parts need those, you can ship them over. Most of the basic/mid products will want a dedicated spot for your DD income though.

[reef basin]

independently 🙂

[round crown]

So if its being shipped the idea that everything is made in bulk would work better no? Because why are the resources for super computers dependent on other factorys but nothing else is?

At that point I might as well make eveey factory independent so ALL the resources needed for supercomputer are made just for super computers in that supercomputer factory

Basically if one factory is dependent. They should all be dependent

[reef basin]

Because why are the resources for super computers dependent on other factorys
they are not

[round crown]

They would be because im shipping the products needed to make them over. Unless I use what you said and make it independent

[reef basin]

well they are not with independency

[whole drum]

Ace, you're missing the entire concept. You just build the stuff you need when you need it. You don't need to overproduce a bunch of nonsense based on "what ifs."

[silk ocean]

It's kinda just an ongoing process of working backwards through the supply chain and scaling things up as and when needed

[strong fiber]

I managed to combine my trains onto one network

Nvm they just crashed bruh

I forgot to add a block signal there

Now it shouldn’t crash

Balright

yall not funny

[silk ocean]

xD

[strong fiber]

I dont even know how to use signals but i think its working

Each train station is its own block

[silk ocean]

Are you running dual tracks?

[strong fiber]

Nope

[silk ocean]

So 1 track and multiple trains?

[strong fiber]

yea

[silk ocean]

So you basically need to block the entire 1-track section, so only 1 train can be in there at a time

Probably best to use path signals at a guess, depending on the setup

[strong fiber]

I think its working but i dont have the third train up yet so we will see then

Im only using block signals

[silk ocean]

I'd probably try using path signals surrounding the entire merge <--> single_track <--> split

So that a train can reserve a path either direction, but only 1 will be able to do so at a time

[strong fiber]

me dont comprehend

nvm

[silk ocean]

So basically at the merge, well, spaced a bit back, you have a path signal on the input and a block signal on the output branch. Then you have the single track section. At the other end where it splits, it's basically the same in reverse, a block signal on the exit and a path signal on the entrance

(assuming that's how you have it laid out)

[strong fiber]

i did it and it works probably

why the block signal red

[silk ocean]

Which one?

[reef basin]

because block is blocked

[strong fiber]

oh wait theres a train on that block

How do i make it so they dont crash at my train station

[silk ocean]

Block signal before the station

Block signal after the station, make the station a block

[novel fog]

Can I live without trains?🤔

[silk ocean]

Nope xD

[whole drum]

Easily

[silk ocean]

Yea you can if you want to 🙂

[whole drum]

But can and want to vary from person to person

[novel fog]

At what phase does it become needed?

[silk ocean]

Never needed I was just kidding, but they are very useful

[novel fog]

Or more needed, I’m at phase 3 right now and I’ve got zero use for it

[strong fiber]

Well you can just skip to drones if you want

I have to bring resources from across the map to my base

Im not building a belt highway spanning the whole map

[novel fog]

That’s kind of what I did😭

[tawny flower]

ive discovered a new extremely inefficient way to transport items! The ficsit factory cart!

i didnt know it could transport items using truck stations

[strong fiber]

One would think they are better than a mk6 belt

one person would

[tawny flower]

you?

[strong fiber]

nope

[tawny flower]

ooohhhhhhhh

its josh

isnt it

[strong fiber]

Maybe

im talking about this dude @unkempt blade

[tawny flower]

THATS A REAL PERSON

[strong fiber]

he pretty chill

[tawny flower]

bruh what the helli

[tawny flower]

cool

Factory carts would actually look cleaner then a belt highway

understandable

[strong fiber]

Belt highway gives me more dopamine tho

[tawny flower]

basement spaghetti gives me so much dopamine

[compact flicker]

Is there a graph for ticket/min when manufacturing items for the sink?

[strong fiber]

yeah

[tawny flower]

fast moving random objects in all direction! Sign me up!

[tawny flower]

yep

[strong fiber]

If your talking about points/min

[compact flicker]

Ye

[strong fiber]

Theres a graph for allat

Im getting 360 from sinking polymer resin

[gray hill]

I've just built this factory and forgot to build the motors💀 The worst thing is that I don't have anymore space😭

[tawny flower]

if your mid game may i suggest: if your using oil power its better to use the by product of fuel into a sink

[strong fiber]

go uppies

[tawny flower]

new micro factory thats 3 inches away connected by a glass halway

itll look cool

[gray hill]

i've gone uppies lol its a skyscraper factory (not really skyscraper like 126m tall)

[strong fiber]

then do thus

[gray hill]

yeah but first im gonna see if i can somehow get even more drones to my factory for the asthetic lol

[strong fiber]

why does this game do this to me

[tawny flower]

tractors, explores, trucks and factory carts are all good for asthetic even if they dont do nothing (drones too)

adn trains

[strong fiber]

I cant even build my heavy modular frame factory until i get this 1 alternate recipe bro im begging for it at this point

Imma get on my hands and knees bro

[tawny flower]

i think ima build cat walks all around my main factory and have factory carts run all over them

[strong fiber]

bro that recipe is ahh

[tawny flower]

pray to them satisfactory gods

[strong fiber]

Im been hardrive hunting for two hours bro

[tawny flower]

damn

[strong fiber]

Spent an hour trying to open 6 hardrives just to get jack

[tawny flower]

i should reasearch some hard drives

i have only researched 2

wait am i not reaching peak efficenty! ToT

[gray hill]

I wish there was something like a truck elevator that would be so cool

like imagine seeing trucks just being transported up the side of a skyscraper

[tawny flower]

damn thats a cool idea

[strong fiber]

Devs gotta add that

i hate console sastisfactory sometimes cuz why do i get stuck on main menu screen

Then i gotta reload

[tawny flower]

i dunno

ive been on pc my entire life and building them since i was 5

forget about being and ipad kid i was a computer kid

[gray hill]

#screenshots the factory rn I hate the power towers and the pillars with the conveyers at the bottom am gonna convert it into a highway after im finished with the actual factory

[compact flicker]

5 fully oc'd and slooped assemblers making smart plating 👍 :3

[tawny flower]

clean

[strong fiber]

this game is trash

[gray hill]

I wanna add like lights to add accents into it but idk if my computer can handle it lol

[tawny flower]

satisfactory?

[strong fiber]

I got 1 recipe i needed but not the one i wanted

its heavy oil residue is the one i got btw

[silk ocean]

You don't need alt recipes, I finished the entire game before I retrofitted my first alt setup

[tawny flower]

ima go build a factory cart highway

[strong fiber]

no i need this

one

i dont even remember what its called

[silk ocean]

Previous statement applies, you don't need alt recipes. You just "want" one

[gray hill]

I mean yeah you dont need any but some of them make life sooooo much more easier but then again satisfactory aint about easy its about the ficsit way

[tawny flower]

yeah dude he needs peak efficency or he'll have a heart attack or smth

[strong fiber]

gotta spend rest of my life going hardrive hunting

👍

[silk ocean]

Be quicker to just build a non-alt setup tbh

[strong fiber]

balright

This the one i promise u Just one more hardrive

i just gotta find one

There cant be that many alt recipes

I already got so many in mam

[silk ocean]

Quite a lot

[gray hill]

Quick question, how do you guys run power to your factories far away? or do you just use trains?

[dense violet]

power poles, or power lines under the rail lines

[gray hill]

oh my god that is genius why didnt i think of that before i did all my power lines😭 😭 😭

[silk ocean]

About 107

[strong fiber]

BRO IM DEAD

stupid spiders bro

[dense violet]

I just don't like to rely on rails for power, if I ever edit paths , boom, cuts off power to factories everywhere

[stone python]

they just want to give your face a hug

[tawny flower]

ima build a new factory should i make it a sky scraper or some slanted design?

[hard mantle]

anyone got like a blueprint for a rips factory im using a prue node

[finite anchor]

I wish there was a way to 'flip' a factory along the X-axis so you could have properly symmetrical setups for coal plants and stuff

[dense violet]

if you want - layout is up to you

[whole drum]

Pretty sure you can't use blueprints yet, but it's simple:
4 smelters

• 3 smelters into 3 constructors making 60 plates/m
• 1 smelter into 2 constructors making rods, then merge both into 1 belt, then split into 3 belts for 3 constructors making screws, then divide the screws and plates evenly between 2 assemblers

[dense violet]

build it tha tway in the first place?

[whole drum]

Take node that when you merge the screws, you need a mk2 belt before you split them

[hard mantle]

well yeah i jus meant a guide/picture thank you

[whole drum]

Each assembler needs 60 screws/m

[hard mantle]

oh i dont have mk 2 belts yet

[dense violet]

use a planner - there's no single blueprint for these sorts of thigns expecially since alt recipes and clocking exists

it's not factorio

[dusk crown]

Anything new for us to do in game this holiday season?

[whole drum]

Get that first, because you need it to feed your smelter array

[finite anchor]

what I mean is, a coal power plant always has the conveyor input on the left, and the pipe on the right. If you have two rows both facing each other, the nodes will be out of alignment and it displeases my autism

[gray hill]

Dev's should also add in like custom alerts where you can customise it. So like if you run out of something it gives you an alert, and you can decide what it gives you an alert for

[hard mantle]

oh okay

[dense violet]

a plan from a planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=SptPvqwP5en01oO8xstP

[dense violet]

you can make Reinforced plates with mk1 belts

[whole drum]

Absolutely. It's just cleaner this way.

[tawny flower]

does anyone have blueprints for a hypertube cannon. I, to lazy to do it myself

[dense violet]

look up a current guide

[tawny flower]

ok

[whole drum]

Or video demonstration on YT

Depends how you prefer to learn

[wicked nacelle]

It’s already taken you longer than doing it yourself

[silk ocean]

Takes like 5 mins to build a hypercannon

or less

[opal arch]

Anything planned for next year's updates?

[sullen gull]

Probably

[strong fiber]

I fought demons but i got 5 more hardrives from the swamp

And sloops and slugs

Im actually begging for this modular frame recipe broo

How many times does one have to rescan a single hardrive

[silk ocean]

If so desperate for it, edit your save :p

[bitter lodge]

you are able to rescan the same harddrive.

You save scum it.

[gray hill]

I'm a green satisfactory player I'm reusing the empty fluid tanks instead of sinking them😎

[round crown]

@dense violet so for modulars whats like....a good rule of thumb for making what resources to be made together. Like how do I plan what product is being made where. Like do plates and frames generally go together? What abt complex resources? Or is it all independent

[silk ocean]

Shipping them back to the source xD

[bitter lodge]

first off.

[strong fiber]

aint nobody ever used flexible framework in their whole life

[bitter lodge]

Ask yourself, what is the end product you want to make?

[round crown]

Uh,everything.

[bitter lodge]

lets take it one step at a time....

[strong fiber]

ahh good ol BIOCOAL

[bitter lodge]

What current phase are you working on?

[round crown]

Im on phase 4..but im not currently concerned with compelteing phase 4. Maybe I should be. But right now I kinds want to be making everything i can make, and alot of it. So that i have it

[dense violet]

totally depends on the recipes you're using 🙂

make plans, look at locations, modify plans, go

[strong fiber]

I’ve traveled through caves ive broken through mountains ive killed radioactive pigs ive had things hawk tuah on me i had things jump on me ive inhaled toxic gasses but I’ve finally gotten it the heavy incased frame recipe 🙏

[round crown]

I really hate planning......this might be the worst part for.me

Simultaneously the worst and best

[bitter lodge]

so tier 7 and 8 unlocks.

have you unlocked those fully?

[dense violet]

you have a link to a planner that does 90% of the planning for you

if this is an issue, no offence, but this may not be the game for you :\

unless you're happy to just slap down sloppy things that work 'ok' ?

[bitter lodge]

the planning...worst part is recipe choice.

Cause tools will pick some fuck ass wild recipes and you look at it like "Nope. Not dealing with it like that"

[round crown]

Im "exaggerating" a bit. Given my almost 300 hours its clearly not an issue

Theres just so much TO DO!!!!

[dense violet]

you can play for 300hrs w/o planning 😛

[round crown]

You can play the entire game without planning. I have not

I have for the most part planned most things out

Is it a mess? Yes

But it was planned

Planning is simultaneously the best and worst part. Im just not very organized as a person

So you can imagine how unorganized my plans are

[dense violet]

you'll get better and faster at planning 🙂

[bitter lodge]

sounds like you are planning off more than you chew

or maybe. instead of planning this 100 step process, break it down?

[round crown]

Ur puns are something elss

[round crown]

Also I have not unlocked nuclear

[dense violet]

pot meet Kettle @round crown

[bitter lodge]

Right no-

im gonna beat you with a stick....

[round crown]

Can't do anything if you can't catch me

[bitter lodge]

Currently. I am making a factory to unlock all things in tier 8. Then I am going to make a factory that produces only phase 4 space parts.