satisfactory

[digital holly]

Hmmm have to wait until 14 dec already.. i have already containers full of all Ficsmass ornaments waiting..

[ocean frost]

just use a mod or the save tool https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

add some fuel as well

[fluid sapphire]

option B, use SCIM to delete everything on the map, put the materials in a bin and start building from scratch while keeping all your stuff

[rare stone]

i have no idea about scim

[fluid sapphire]

link above, not much to it

[rare stone]

thanks guys

[ocean frost]

upload your save to it

[scenic mirage]

^ anyone know? 😭

[neon basalt]

Is there a tool that can help me visualize what all I need to make in one go, including making a power setup

[scenic mirage]

satisfactory modeler on steam

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

unlike modeler, this one is fully automatic

[grave dune]

Does anyone know why power switches is ON when lever is down? since those kind of switches usually opposite.

[fluid sapphire]

they function more like a fuse than a normal switch

[white dawn]

In the end the answer would be "because CSS made it that way." :D

FICSIT doesn't have a health+safety board to worry about, they can have a mechanical failure state which results in power-on. :D

[grave dune]

lol thx

[wind siren]

well well well, hello again folks...been a couple years now 😄

[dusk crown]

Could be best just to start a new instance, you have some experience, turn on flying so you can move around faster, and you can get up to speed quick.

[wind siren]

yeah, i loaded up my 2 year old save and was totally lost in my factory

even knowing the recipes i think its just better to start anew

plus i guess they moved some nodes around on the map?

[neon basalt]

Based off what I need power wise (And steel wise) I may need to overclock my 4 coal nodes to 250% so it'll give me 600/min and that can fuel as many factories as I need and to make all my steel

600/min split it since 2 nodes for power so 300/min powers 20 coal gens for 1500ish mw of power?

Well actually since im stuck with mk2 belts probably better to do 200% overclock to push 120/min/node

[gentle lion]

Wait ,,you can snap splitters and mergers on top of a belt?

Or into it I mean

[sterile blade]

And not just belts... 😉

[wind siren]

well, you could sort of before when i played last 2 years ago 😄

not sure how/if its changed much since

[gentle lion]

What else?

And how do you get the lifts to match the damn floor hole lol

[wind siren]

i always put the lifts onto the wall hole first and then add belts

[last wasp]

there is a way to change the default power pole when you use cables? Change from the regular to the mk2

when you pull a power cable from the pole

[primal obsidian]

if you have a mk.2 placed and you connect a wire to place a new pole it will be mk.2 aswell

[hard ivy]

start pulling from a mk2 and the pole will be a mk2.

but pulling from a machine it's always gonna be mk1 unfortunately

[last wasp]

oh alright tyvm

[wind siren]

does vegetation grow back now/yet?

[primal obsidian]

no

[hard ivy]

only on some updates that cause the map to reset

or if you reset it manually with a save editor

[wind siren]

leaves arent lasting nearly as long as i remember

[hard ivy]

upgrade them to biomass asap

it's several times more efficient

[wind siren]

yeah, trying to get there...hub6 working on

[sterile blade]

Well, there's conveyor belts and conveyor lifts...

[honest sleet]

what's your favorite noise in game? so far, my favorite is the Particle Accelerator noise

[old parrot]

bombs

[honest sleet]

yea those are fun

and loud

[tall lantern]

converters are pretty satisfying

[old parrot]

i love throwing the clusters well im in the air from a launcher

[hard ivy]

oh I love how the converter clunks

[honest sleet]

not there yet... still trying to get my atom basher to not break my power grid

[old parrot]

i just got nuclear

[wind siren]

where did you guys start your bases?

[honest sleet]

welcome to the late game buddy

[old parrot]

ik

numbers

[wind siren]

one of my longer saves i made a megabase dead center of the map 300m up in the air 😄

[honest sleet]

i found a few iron deposits, and set up there

it's getting to LGIO tier chaos

[old parrot]

my first base ever was at the arch

[honest sleet]

and lag

[wind siren]

i always hated having to deal with inclines with trains

[honest sleet]

omg yeaaaa

[wind siren]

i'm in the dunes this time near the western waterflal cliff

debating at what height though to start my base layer

[old parrot]

rn im in the middle working on a mega base with my friends

[worn quail]

how can i delete rocks

[wind siren]

thoughts?

i dont really wanna be up 300m again :/

[old parrot]

i dont like mega bases

i like creating small ones for each one type of stuff

[wind siren]

well, my "megabases" arent really megas as i transport in stuff from sub factories to a central mall mainly

[worn quail]

how can i delete rocks

[wind siren]

dont think you can delete map rocks

[honest sleet]

i'm gonna get my dad the game for cristmas and we're gonna do a multiplayer

[hard ivy]

explosives. if that doesn't work, only mods can do that

[wind siren]

if you cant mine it or blow it up with a nuke its permanent

[honest sleet]

small ones and crasked, use bombs. everything else good luck

[old parrot]

the friend that is working on the mega has ocd so hes freaking out

[worn quail]

i dont have bombs im new

[old parrot]

build over or around them

[honest sleet]

go unlock bombs then ig

[worn quail]

ok sir

[old parrot]

or clip

[gentle lion]

Heavy Modular frame factory
#screenshots message

[wind siren]

but, back to my thought....base height?

[gentle lion]

Ugly...

[old parrot]

i just built mine above all the sand

[whole drum]

Right above the tops of the nearby dunes is what most people go for

[old parrot]

mines one assembler

i just put stuff in by hand

[wind siren]

isnt the dunes relatively speaking the highest biome? aside from the rare cliff or two?

[whole drum]

I don't think so

[hard ivy]

yeah, no, that is not a factory

[wind siren]

i know it higher than the swamp and rocky desert i think

[whole drum]

It's a bit above sea level, but not super high

[old parrot]

if it works dont touch it

[hard ivy]

red forest would like to disagree

[fiery pewter]

The entire center of the map:

[wind siren]

yeah, red forest was my other thought

[whole drum]

Northern forest is probably the highest starting biome

[wind siren]

just thinking a little above dune height might be good especially if i ring the map and keep trains out of the center somewhat

[fiery pewter]

If you start northern forest, and move north, you end up on a cliff, seeing the Dune Dessert in the distance a fair bit lower

[honest sleet]

tell me if this is weird, i never use trains. i use pretty exclusively drones.

[fiery pewter]

But so much goodies in the center tho :3

[whole drum]

Ringing the map sounds like so much work for so little gain, lol

[wind siren]

i had never used trucks until the last time i played when they added better pathing

[fiery pewter]

Not weird

[wind siren]

not sure if truck use has improved though

[old parrot]

im just noticing how bad my first save is

[whole drum]

I pretty much never use them either. Haven't found a need to move that much stuff that belting isn't just faster/easier/more reliable.

[fiery pewter]

Drive truck self to get the pure trucker experience

[wind siren]

i've belted stuff halfway across the map though

[honest sleet]

ok good then

[fiery pewter]

Its just your style

[honest sleet]

i mean i do that sometimes but gosh it's so painful sometimes

[wind siren]

i prob use TOO much belting for things

[whole drum]

If I do use trains, it's mostly for the fun of it

[old parrot]

i love trains

[wind siren]

its less headache then dealing with fuel for trucks tbh

[fiery pewter]

Well, in the end, belts and pipes allow for the most consistent throughput

[wind siren]

hence why i just leap to trains off the power grid :/

[old parrot]

i think i like working on power the most in this game

[fiery pewter]

Nuclear powered trucks:

[wind siren]

oh? is that a thing now?

[fiery pewter]

I like logistics most honestly

[fiery pewter]

Always has been
-# I think

[wind siren]

my saves tended to peeter out right as i got to nukes every time 🙁

[fiery pewter]

No but nuclear fuel types last a far while in vehicles that consume fuel, and no waste

[old parrot]

i need a 3rd monitor for this game

[fiery pewter]

Why?

I get 1 for the game, 1 for the modeler

What's the third one for?

[old parrot]

one for the game one for plans and one to watch stuff

[fiery pewter]

Lmao

[wind siren]

i have 2, 1 game 1 discord atm as i have the window mostly maxed

[whole drum]

I don't use modelers. I just watch stuff.

[honest sleet]

i only have one monitor...

[wind siren]

i have the modeler, just not sure i need/want to use it just yet

[old parrot]

i would not be able to make mid to late game stuff without i9t

[honest sleet]

all you're rigs far outmatch mine

[old parrot]

my pc is 12 years old

[whole drum]

I put game on main screen, browser/Discord/Steam on the other

[fiery pewter]

Most of the things I create in the modeler, get the same treatment: "I am never going to make this"

[wind siren]

i just replaced my mom's 20 year old dell with a mini pc :/

[old parrot]

lol

[fiery pewter]

Hey if it works it works

[old parrot]

fr

[whole drum]

A PC that old could be replaced with a phone

[wind siren]

she had 12gb ram and 900gb drive space using all of 300mb of data including windows

[rustic vigil]

any ideas why my game could be crashing? hosting a vanilla coop game

[old parrot]

my first pc was 100 dollers of amazon

[fiery pewter]

Not the right channel

[honest sleet]

i just tab between all my stuff on my PC

[old parrot]

i could never

[fiery pewter]

#1038092680493801533

[honest sleet]

my rig is a el cheapo thing from best buy i got last january

but it works like a tank

[whole drum]

Slow, energy hungry, and out-dated?

[old parrot]

i need to automate crystal oscillaters again

[honest sleet]

i just did taht yesterday while making turbo motors XD

i should've done it a long time ago

[wet cloak]

I hate the crystal oscillator

[old parrot]

lol im using it for super computers and im using it for radios

[old parrot]

i like them

other than how much space they take up

i forgot abt mk3 poles

[honest sleet]

i'm still using mk1 poles...

[old parrot]

why

[whole drum]

Stop it

[hard ivy]

my condolences

[whole drum]

Quickwire is cheap af

[old parrot]

fr

i got so much extra

[honest sleet]

beacause i keep never getting around to it

[whole drum]

It takes 4 seconds to set up

[old parrot]

get them

[honest sleet]

i'll do it in abt an hour here

[hard ivy]

why would you torture yourself like that

[old parrot]

fr

[white dawn]

I actually mostly use mk1 poles because I nearly always daisychain my machines

[whole drum]

Almost just not using the MAM at all, huh?

[wet cloak]

FICSIT is disappointed in you

[old parrot]

i almost have my mam down

[white dawn]

I'll occasionally put in a mk2, but for my past n playthroughs I rarely hop up

[old parrot]

im not going to get the achivment cuz of advanced game tho

[honest sleet]

because i'm ADHD and i never do what i should until about a week after i should

[whole drum]

This is one of the games I find easier to play because of ADHD lol

[honest sleet]

true

also way easier to get addicted to

[old parrot]

my adhd and autism love this game

[whole drum]

That's just part of the program

Game lives up to the name

[honest sleet]

ok how many people here are neurodivergent

[old parrot]

idk that word

[whole drum]

I don't use the word. It's too broad.

[honest sleet]

ADHD/autisim/ect

[hard ivy]

I prefer neurospicy

[whole drum]

It's basically like asking how many people are non-straight.

[old parrot]

thats strike one on the big words

[honest sleet]

sameeee

[wet cloak]

Mfw when I get distracted for 3 hours completing side projects before remembering what I even logged on to do

[whole drum]

And do you count bi people in that or not?

I just don't like terms that needlessly cover too much ground

[honest sleet]

i mean if bi people wanna be counted in that they can if they want

[whole drum]

I don't care if they do or don't--but it confuses the term a bit. It's kind of how high-functioning autism isn't obvious to people who don't know what to look for, but should they still count themselves in that broad category?

[old parrot]

ive currently have watched 4 dif animes completely well playing this game

[wind siren]

i was surprised to see the epic launcher telling me i had 3200 hours playing 😄

[whole drum]

You could have achieved the same thing by just watching One Piece while you play

[old parrot]

i think ive gotten more hours then i have on dbd on this game

[wind siren]

the cloud still has 12 of my world saves in addition to my net host having another 4

[old parrot]

recenly

[wind siren]

i was perplexed though it saying i had mods last save i loaded when ive never played modded

[whole drum]

Was that a server save?

[old parrot]

i think i would go insane if i couldnt listen to music well playing this game

[whole drum]

The game has music

[old parrot]

ik

[whole drum]

It's even pretty good

[old parrot]

it lowkey is

[wind siren]

no, was my cloud save from 2 years ago

[whole drum]

Maybe it's just flagged that way due to being out of date?

Or you used mods and forgot--perhaps some small things

[wind siren]

i did upload it to my net server at one time though. not sure if a copy flags it

[old parrot]

i wanna cry

[wind siren]

nope, never used mods with the game

[whole drum]

So cry

[old parrot]

alr

[whole drum]

It's a free country

[old parrot]

nuh uh

its owned by FICSIT

[trail glacier]

everything is owned by FISCIT. HAIL THE FISCIT!! but not ada shes rude

[whole robin]

I wish I could put ada inside of a potato

[trail glacier]

lol

[whole drum]

If you're playing SF on your rig--you did

[whole robin]

Rig as in computer?

[whole drum]

Ya

Or console, w/e

[whole robin]

My computer isn't that bad :<

[whole drum]

I'm just playing. Couldn't resist the setup.

[whole robin]

Is there a limit to the amount of players that can be on a server at once?

[mortal tree]

how to transport hub to other place? do i lose the upgrades?

[whole robin]

It keeps them

[mortal tree]

so normal dismantle?

[wind siren]

i wanna say 8 but i think that was my net host user limit

[old parrot]

how do you quick ping?

[hard ivy]

alt+lmb iirc

[worldly falcon]

I'm trying to create a "dump my inventory into a container" system and want to filter out things like mercer spheres, slugs and make them into power shards etc.. The rest I think I can just sink or smth. Though I noticed that A. There is no filter in the smart splitter for somersloops, and B. I can't automate inhalers. Am I going crazy or no?

[old parrot]

ty

[whole drum]

You don't dump your whole inventory. Just put remains/slugs in. Put a buffer box before each constructor, then use smart splitters to sort what goes where, with an overflow that goes into a final box in case you put something in that doesn't belong.

[old parrot]

also use somersloop if you aint for the power shards and dna

[worldly falcon]

Still, does sloops not have an option in the smart splitter?

[whole drum]

Never tried, but they would fall under the "any," "undefined," and "overflow," if nothing else

[wind siren]

exploding instakill ficsmas presents?

[hard ivy]

those exist, yes

[worldly falcon]

It just seems weird that I can filter for fluids in an itemfilter but not for sloops lol. Do I need to get a certain amount or smth?

[whole drum]

You can't just leave them there, though. FICSIT does not waste.

[old parrot]

programmable has it

[whole robin]

Am I a maniac for using ramps and foundation to climb up cliffs since I'm early game?

[old parrot]

it does

[whole drum]

No, I do it all the time. Ladders are super helpful, btw. Cheap in the AWESOME Shop.

Ladder + Parachute gives insane freedom

[worldly falcon]

I can't see it, do I need to get a certain amount of them before being able to filter?

[old parrot]

i dont think so

type in som when looking

thats how i got it to show up

[worldly falcon]

Does not show for me :/

[old parrot]

huh

[worldly falcon]

I would send a picture, but don't have perms

[whole drum]

SOmer, not SUMmer, just in case. I see people pronounce it that way all the time.

[worldly falcon]

I know lol

[old parrot]

go to #screenshots

[hard ivy]

nobody does. except the admins prolly

[whole drum]

Yeah, this is one of those no-fun-allowed channels

Post in #1038092680493801533

[old parrot]

lol

[worldly falcon]

#screenshots message

[whole drum]

You can't type in the screenshot channel

[old parrot]

huh

[worldly falcon]

bro what 💀 why do you get to filter for them

[shy mulch]

It's almost like there's different channels for different purposes...

[old parrot]

lol

[whole drum]

And excessive channels/restrictions for not-super-good reasons

[rustic vigil]

how do i unlock the ficsmas MAM tree?

[hardy gale]

Guys I think im addicted. I started on saturday and got 51hours in. Do I have a Problem?

[old parrot]

not yet

[whole drum]

Not yet. Work harder and you'll get there.

[worldly falcon]

I assume it's a bug? What version are you on?

[old parrot]

1.1

[cyan spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[old parrot]

try reloading your save

or try rebyukdubg ut

[whole drum]

You have picked up at least 1 sloop, yes?

[old parrot]

i think i had a stroke

[whole drum]

Wrong @, woops

[old parrot]

lol

[worldly falcon]

I picked one up just now

[old parrot]

try with it in your inv

[whole drum]

I don't know if it's a requirement, but it might be that you need to have found one to sort for them

[shy mulch]

That's pretty normal for a new player. It is addictive 🙂

[old parrot]

did you research it

[hard ivy]

or possibly research it in the MAM

[whole drum]

Maybe

I've never had smart splitters before researching sloops/spheres before

[old parrot]

same

[worldly falcon]

Yeah, with ones I picked up earlier. Holding one does nothing btw

[hardy gale]

I wish I had tried the Game out earlier. As someone who loves automation and does that stuff for work it just fits

[old parrot]

reload maybe?

[worldly falcon]

wrong msg to respond to

[whole drum]

It had some rough patches, but has been quite good since about Update 7 or so (imho)

[hardy gale]

Well I needed a mod to fix Ultra wide but beside that it rund awesome

[old parrot]

i just went back to my base and forgot to get the thing i needed and came back

[worldly falcon]

noop. Did you do it with a smart or a programmable splitter?

[old parrot]

both

[worldly falcon]

then wat ;-;

[old parrot]

idk

ii wish the parachute kept your momentum

[whole drum]

I just don't see a point to putting sloops in boxes this way, tbh. Inventory or DD--always have access to them.

[old parrot]

i keep mine in my depot

[worldly falcon]

well yeah. I wanted to be able to dump my inv into a box, and have the items I want to keep sorted out and stored in DD, the rest sinked.

[old parrot]

but i only use them for rare stuff

[whole drum]

I just wouldn't do that. I don't want to push my ammo, healing items, non-automated building parts, etc through such a system, only to need to retrieve them (or accidentally sink something) anyway.

[worldly falcon]

Well I wanted to?

[whole robin]

How many dogs does it take to dispose of the waste from a single nuclear reactor being on for an hour?

[old parrot]

LOL

[hard ivy]

one and a bit i think

[whole drum]

Using doggos takes too long. Just fill up your inventory with it and dive off a cliff.

[whole robin]

But that damages FICSIT property

[hard ivy]

then the waste will still exist

[whole drum]

ADA will get over it

[old parrot]

why wouldnt you keep it for later use

i like to keep it to give to my friends

[rustic vigil]

how do i unlock the ficsmas research tree 😭

[old parrot]

idk

get better

[whole robin]

Calender, day one cassette thingy

[hard ivy]

collect a few gifts and open the calendar

[rustic vigil]

what calendar, where

[old parrot]

i forgot abt the calendar today

[hard ivy]

hub

[whole robin]

Next to the terminal thing in the hub that gives you the tiers for unlocking stuff

[primal obsidian]

is ionized fuel better for power or just jet pack

[old parrot]

guys once i get a job should i buy the replicas

[whole robin]

You should buy more copies of satisfactory

[hard ivy]

it's trash for power

[old parrot]

i own 3

[whole robin]

Get them for your friends and your enemies

[old parrot]

i got them 4 my 2 friends

[whole robin]

Gift them autism this Christmas

[old parrot]

i dont go outside so i dont have enemies

i play satisfactory instead

[whole drum]

That just means you're not online enough

[whole robin]

Gift them to your family and neighbors and dogs

Teach a dog to play satisfactory

[old parrot]

my family dont own pcs

[whole robin]

Get them a copy for console

[old parrot]

they dont got that either

[whole robin]

Get them satisfactory for the Windows phone

[primal obsidian]

so only good for jet pack right

[old parrot]

lol

[hard ivy]

jetpack and maybe drones

[old parrot]

i should gift someone dbd

[whole drum]

What is that?

[whole robin]

And I didn't hear you say your neighbors/neighborhood stray dogs didn't have PCs or consoles

[old parrot]

dead by daylight

[whole drum]

Oh, zombie games. Eww

[old parrot]

its not

thats a dif game

[whole robin]

That's dying light

[whole drum]

Oh, wait. Was that a survivor-style game?

[old parrot]

well hteres also the game and show

[old parrot]

killer vs 4 survivors

[whole drum]

Not what I was thinking either

[old parrot]

oh the walking dead?

[whole drum]

No

[old parrot]

oh alr

[whole robin]

Dead rising?

[old parrot]

they did a colab with the walking dead

and tokyo ghoul

and fnaf

[whole drum]

No, the one I'm thinking was like Vampire Survivors, but with something about trying to hold out until dawn

[whole robin]

And SAW

[whole drum]

Could swear it was a zombie game too

[whole robin]

12 minutes til dawn?

[old parrot]

and nightmare on elm street

[whole drum]

Maybe?

[old parrot]

and calstlevania

tombraider dnd alan wake chicky strangerthings alein nicolas cage

[whole robin]

Chicky 🐣

[whole drum]

You going for Google SEO here?

[whole robin]

Those are just other collabs the game has done over the years

[old parrot]

i own ever killer in it

ive spent over $300 on skins too

[whole robin]

Jesus

[old parrot]

lol

i have a addiction

[whole drum]

I've done similar with POE and Warframe--but also played those 10+ years

[old parrot]

warframe mention

[charred thistle]

afternoon pioneers

[old parrot]

i grinded for all of the stuff i have

[old parrot]

morning

[charred thistle]

duck🫵

[old parrot]

what

[charred thistle]

i dunno

[old parrot]

alr

[charred thistle]

:P

[old parrot]

its funny that everyone with a cat thing have no lfe

[whole robin]

How rare is the middle thing in the alien technology research tree?

[charred thistle]

honestly that's true :p

[old parrot]

what

[whole robin]

The one that's like 3 letters

[hard ivy]

SAM?

[old parrot]

SAM?

[whole robin]

Yeah that

[hard ivy]

not very rare but a bit hard to find

[old parrot]

yeah

use satisfactory map to find it easy

[wicked willow]

I spent 2 hours just to make a 16 coal powered generator grid. Just to realize that with my current output of coal I could have made instead a 32 gens set-up. I've should have done the maths before starting building. Rookie mistake I made.

[old parrot]

dont use coal

use fuel

[wicked willow]

I don't have it unlocked right now

[whole drum]

Don't use maths or planning. Just build stuff until it doesn't work. Then build more stuff until it does.

[old parrot]

unlock it

it took my 20 mins after i got coal

[hard ivy]

bruh what

[old parrot]

i dont like coal

[hard ivy]

did you not automate anything

[hard ivy]

bruh

[wicked willow]

I need to finish phase 2 before. Not so fast lol.

[old parrot]

i speedran to get jet pack

[wicked willow]

Fair.

[whole drum]

Oh, wow. I haven't felt actually hungry since a few days before Thanksgiving. Too many people want to do holiday stuff.

Think I'll stay hungry for awhile, lol

[old parrot]

i love food

[whole drum]

I do too. I just don't like being fat.

[old parrot]

i cant gain weight

[whole drum]

I definitely can

[ivory condor]

Same

[old parrot]

im 6' 7" at 150

[ivory condor]

I once thought I couldnt, time proved me wrong indeed🤣

[cunning lily]

I feel you.

[old parrot]

i prob eat abt 3000 cals a day

[cunning lily]

Couldn't gain weight. Got married. Gained all the weight I should have and then some.

[old parrot]

lol

[cunning lily]

"My new year resolution was to lose 15 pounds. Only twenty more to go!"

[whole drum]

When I was younger and super active, I could eat as much of whatever as I wanted

[old parrot]

im not active at all

[cunning lily]

That's gotta reduce my FICSIT employee efficiency score.

[whole drum]

Luckily, I do know how to lose weight super effectively. I'm just waiting for the holidays to be over so I don't have to fight with stuff I like a little too much--fudge, egg nog, cherry & chocolate candies, etc

[old parrot]

fudge sounds so good

[whole drum]

Talked it over with my gf and she agrees: Once the holidays are over, we're moving on to a meat & veggie diet--limited carbs (mostly rice, and not too much of that even). Add on some exercise and better sleep management, we're all set.

[old parrot]

sleep management

just imagent

[whole drum]

That's actually harder than the rest tbh

Always been a night owl

[old parrot]

i havent slept good in 5 months

[whole drum]

But it's not great for the body

[dusk crown]

? Are there a fixed number of Power Slugs on the map, or do the keep respawning?

[hard ivy]

there's a fixed number

[old parrot]

theres a limiteted amount but i think you can get them from doggos

[whole drum]

Think it's fixed, but there are tons of them and you eventually can make artificial power shards.

[dusk crown]

Ok, thanks

[old parrot]

use somersloop when turing them

[hard ivy]

oh, and you can get them from doggos as well. so they're technically not limited

[whole drum]

Have fun with that RNG tho

[old parrot]

lol

i think if you make a farm you can get 2 an hour

[dusk crown]

Just can't believe i have to upgade conveyers to Tier 6...please no!

[whole drum]

Or I could pick up all the ones all over the map and get hundreds per hour

[old parrot]

yeah

[whole drum]

And if you use all the fixed ones before you can automate artificial ones, well... I don't know what's wrong with you.

[hard ivy]

you don't have to upgrade any belt tbh. just build new ones

[old parrot]

yeah

[hard ivy]

there's like 5000 shards just on the map

[old parrot]

whats a good way to get rid of water

[hard ivy]

use it

[whole drum]

Pure recipes and wet concrete

[dusk crown]

Select all pipeline...flush it.

[old parrot]

oh wait i can recycle

[whole drum]

Only if you do it right

And there are wrong ways to go about it

[old parrot]

lol

[hard ivy]

I'm hoping 1.2 gives us some good way to do it

[old parrot]

sink for liquids

[hard ivy]

that isn't jank or requires a bunch of extra space

[white dawn]

(Using a separate bank of machines for fresh vs. recycled is both non-jank and doesn't require any extra space (although I admit I usually underclock rather than overclock, so I may end up with an extra refinery or two))

[whole drum]

Depends what you consider jank. It's not too bad if you understand it.

[hard ivy]

a VIP is jank

[odd crescent]

Were trucks updated to carry fluid yet?

[white dawn]

No, that'll be a part of the forthcoming 1.2 update (which will be in probably the first half of 2026)

[whole drum]

I don't mind VIP, but you can also just limit inputs and deal with the spin up time

[hard ivy]

oh, I use VIPs too. it's the best way to deal with the water imo. the issue is that it's based on a bug that may get fixed with any update

and it doesn't work with gasses

[whole drum]

Yeah

I don't know how much of a bug it is. I think gravity is supposed to be a thing.

[white dawn]

I remain a big fan of the "just keep the fresh + recycled separate" method. A tiny bit more math and you're done

I'd certainly hope that VIP Junctions would continue to work even through hypothetical fluid updates, though

One hopes that they'd do extensive testing on existing saves if they do start tweaking the fluid systems

[whole drum]

For aluminum in particular, I just really enjoy the pure copper recipe since you'll need the copper anyway

[white dawn]

I'm honestly still not sure what the odds are that they've actually started diving into some degree of fluid system overhaul/tweaks for v1.2

[hard ivy]

it requires either 1 extra refinery and a sink or 2 extra refineries. for every 7 "required" ones (assuming sloppy + electrode)
that kinda sucks compared to just a VIP

[white dawn]

Unless they've mentioned something in-stream that I've missed (entirely likely since I've not kept up with any of those in a long time), I think the only indication was that one video thumbnail

[white dawn]

Only if you were already overclocking the refineries to the point where you can't overclock to make up the difference

Although I admit I do tend to underclock instead, which means I often do need one extra refinery

[hard ivy]

the only thing I'm aware of is the "we fixed fluids ... kinda" in the thumbnail of the fluid trucks teaser video

[white dawn]

On the grand scale of building in this game, I'm hardly bothered by an extra refinery per aluminum setup, though. :)

[hard ivy]

fluid trucks do not fix fluids in any way, so I am hoping for something more

[whole drum]

Likely to be the opposite, lol

CSS: We're fixing fluids.
Players: Finally. What are you doing?
CSS: Adding trucks.
Players: But those are jank too!
CSS: Yes.

[ivory condor]

btw "when turing them" ?

[abstract heron]

what to know my HRS NOW

[whole drum]

He means processing them into shards. Use a sloop for double output.

[cunning lily]

sink packaged liquids. It's a thing.

[ivory condor]

oh ok

[old parrot]

yuh

[hardy gale]

How you guys manage Ressource Transfers throughout the Map? Just use belts? Or do you use trucks or trains?

[old parrot]

i use trains for anything past 2 km

[ivory condor]

Trains mostly

[crude quest]

Technically belt is the most effecient cuz you can be 100% sure it'll work but trains are way more fun

[ivory condor]

definitely over 2 km trains are always used

[hardy gale]

How do I know what a kilometer is?

[old parrot]

1000 metters

[whole drum]

Depends what you need to move, and how far. Trains are efficient for large quantities over long distances. Drones are great for smaller quantities (usually more advanced products like RCUs and S. Comps). If it's a large quantity and a short distance, just belt it.

[old parrot]

also trucks suck i think

atleast from experiences ive had

[hard ivy]

trains also work perfectly

[ivory condor]

yeah I hate vehicles and never use them

i always go from belts and then try to setup rails and train stations asap

[abstract heron]

everyone do i need to touch grass if i have this manny hrs

[crude quest]

sometimes on long distances the numbers could be being weird so sometimes you gotta test it which is annoying

[old parrot]

no

[abstract heron]

17,900 hrs on record TOTAL in game

[old parrot]

you need to play more

[ivory condor]

the grass misses you

[whole drum]

I belt/drone basically everything, personally--but the vehicles do have their purposes.

[old parrot]

satisfactory has grass

[whole drum]

With spiders in it

[old parrot]

i disabled the spiders

[latent gate]

Anything interesting from the stream today?

[ivory condor]

doesnt count

[abstract heron]

minus last one for year

[old parrot]

whats the best browser for when playing this game

i got 8 gb of ram

[latent gate]

Using your phone, lol

[old parrot]

lol

[ivory condor]

hmmm you do know this game isnt played on a browser right?

[old parrot]

no i need sum to watch yt on

[whole drum]

Trains are great if you don't want to do stuff like this
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1448027253383368879

[latent gate]

With 8gb?

[old parrot]

yes

[latent gate]

Your phone

[old parrot]

im crying in pain

i use opera

[ivory condor]

its fine, depends really on how long the belts are

[old parrot]

bus

[wind siren]

when did biomass burners get a belt input?

[whole drum]

That's about 2/3 the total length

[ivory condor]

one can argue long belts are more practical now to, because bps have auto connect, still i wouldnt exactly recommend

[hard ivy]

1.0

[old parrot]

bus

[whole drum]

I don't go for a generalized bus strat. It just suited that base.

[hard ivy]

that is not a bus

[old parrot]

i just build a factory around the things i need and fly over there

[honest sleet]

unlocked mk2 poles and Geothermal is OP

[old parrot]

finaly lol

now mk3

[honest sleet]

will when i need them

[old parrot]

i didnt need them i just like researching

[honest sleet]

bcus 7 is a lot

[honest sleet]

ok yea valid

i'll do it later, need to do some actual work for now

[whole drum]

This is what I usually do too, but that mini-bus in that pic was from the starter base, connecting a lot of early tech for milestones.

I was routing all my products to the HUB until I got my DDs online

So in this case, I was belting raw mats close to the base so I can build them close to the HUB to begin with.

Basically just saving myself a lot of walking back and forth

This is most of that starter base
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1448030246724042863

[dawn mist]

Are foundations used also for floors?
Or is that a different thing?

[open swallow]

foundations are floors

[dawn mist]

Thought so, thanks.

[whole drum]

They also serve as ceilings for multi-floor structures. You can attach lights, belts, power connectors, etc to them.

[reef basin]

Not a bus

[dawn mist]

oof, no nitro emotes.
Insert nod here.

Just didn't know if foundation = floor or was strictly for ground FOUNDATION.

Thanks guys.

[whole drum]

In a technical sense, that screenshot I posted may not be considered a bus, mainly due to it just taking materials from A to B, not itself acting as a supply line for multiple bases to run off, and not being further supplemented further down the line.

[hard ivy]

you don't even need to be placed on the ground. it can float in the air

[whole drum]

Look at the last screenshot I posted. You can see foundations being used all over the place in a few different ways.

[dawn mist]

Even as a child we were destined for the mines....

Flint and steel, chicken jockey, etc. Floating terrain blocks.

[honest sleet]

what's your fave power source

[open swallow]

turbo fuel

[honest sleet]

i meant generator

[open swallow]

fuel generator, with turbo fuel in it

the only generator that takes turbo fuel

[honest sleet]

i really need turbofuel...

[open swallow]

research the sulfur tree

[hard ivy]

ew, why turbo lol

[open swallow]

because you can power like 87 generators off of 300 oil

it's crazy

[whole drum]

I think Kyo is saying Rocket is better

[willow topaz]

Question for everyone: I want to make a Crystal Oscillator factory in Blue Crater and I'm importing Quartz from the nodes west of the sulfur pools near Blue Crater. There's a (iirc) pure Caterium node northwest of Blue Crater.

Would it be more efficient to conveyor or train the Caterium over to my factory?

[open swallow]

trains are always more fun

[whole drum]

Trains are just belts with extra steps

[willow topaz]

I am already using a train to import the Quartz mind you 🤔

[open swallow]

belts are just trains with insufficient steps

[leaden turret]

there's only one speed of rail.

there's many speeds of belt.

guess which one is more prone to user error 😛

[honest sleet]

option 3: drones

[whole drum]

Trains, because belts don't use signals

[hard ivy]

you can power 80 from 600 oil and some water. no coal or sulfur necessary

and with RF, you can power 288 gens from 300 oil

imo, TF is the worst of the 3

[leaden turret]

"need more throughput"
train user: adds train
belt user: schedules time to run several kilometers of fresh belt

[honest sleet]

drones are in my opinion the easiest to use

[leaden turret]

-# cough smart splitters cough

[willow topaz]

I'm gonna go with... both? 😅 belts for me wondering where the unupgraded section is (it's a tiny corner and I can't find it) and trains because I can't make the autopilot behave?

[leaden turret]

train station facing wrong direction

[honest sleet]

just put down point a and b and you're done

[whole drum]

Those work pretty differently, but people do get hung up on them

[willow topaz]

Actually for me it was facing wrong direction and being placed in the wrong direction

[leaden turret]

is signal saying "this stuff go that way plzkthxbai" 😛

[open swallow]

I'll always advocate trains in any scenario, because I have a train fixation

Whether you take my advice is up to you

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> I slept through Q&A again so it's gonna be a fun surprise seeing how many of my questions got answered 😛

[willow topaz]

With how the train station is designed I didn't think the part that looks like an entryway needed to be on the end of the rail...

[whole drum]

The station looks goofy af, ngl

It's so off-putting when you first try using them

[leaden turret]

it's not so much that the train station looks goofy as the game is first person and there's no mini orientation arrow in the HUD when placing something HUUUUUUGE

[whole drum]

Yeah, that really doesn't help either

[willow topaz]

If you're making a single line with double headed trains it's goofy

[whole drum]

But when I say it's goofy, I mean the shape doesn't really help you intuit the direction

[leaden turret]

back in my day we had to place factories manually uphill both ways

-# (we didn't have nudge mode)

[willow topaz]

Cause the arrow needs to face out at the end of the line, behind the freight ports

[leaden turret]

looks up image of train station

[whole drum]

Don't do this. Make dual lines, at least.

[whole drum]

Look up the hologram. That's the part that's goofy.

[willow topaz]

Oh this is just a back and forth for the Quartz, it's not gonna be a loopy line

[whole drum]

Fair enough, but if I was going to bother with trains, I'd like them to be expandable.

[honest sleet]

i love geothermal power

ima use so many of them

i already have like 5

[whole drum]

There are only so many of them, lol

[honest sleet]

yea but it's free power and pretty cheap

[leaden turret]

wiki doesn't have the hologram

[leaden turret]

gonna boot up the game now

[hard ivy]

It's only 7 GW

my first fuel plant is 20

7 is barely anything tbh

I don't even bother building any of the geo gens

[leaden turret]

so when you're paying attention to the hologram, there's a rather large direction arrow

back of the train station is flat, front of the train station has curved headband + station sign.

weird thing that mgiht be off-putting is the walkway isn't symmetrical, so people might ignore everything else and think those are tailpipeesque

[whole drum]

For me it's the curved front that throws it. I expected the flat part to be the front.

[hard ivy]

???

nah, that's an insane sentence to me XD

why would the flat be the front

[leaden turret]

I saw that

[whole drum]

That just makes more sense to me

Signage should be on flat surfaces

Otherwise it messes up readability

[leaden turret]

I think it might be more obvious if the stations had contiguous roofs with the freight platforms, done in such a way that if the freight platform was placed on the wrong side there'd be a bloody obvious gap

[hard ivy]

there still is an obvoious mismatch if you place it wrong

the platforms have a completely rectangular roof

it doesn't fit with a circle at all

[whole drum]

Yeah, once you place it it's obvious. It's the hologram that's the problem.

[hard ivy]

... the hologram has an arrow

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> suggestion: have ADA pipe up if the first freight platform connected to a station is the wrong way around

👀
📎 It looks like you're trying to build a train station, do you need some help with at?

[whole drum]

How would it know?

[leaden turret]

because the game engine has a node graph when you snap stuff together

[whole drum]

Oh, wait. I misread what you meant.

But also, why is that even allowed? lol

[leaden turret]

you've never been to a train station with multiple "platforms" on the same physical contiguous platform?

[open swallow]

I don't see a good use case for that in this game

[whole drum]

You're right. We just tend not to use trains that way in game.

[leaden turret]

it's a sandbox game, gotta allow people to do stupid shit

[leaden turret]

replica of real-world networks

[woven falcon]

bro i need help so bad but i keep on getting ignored can someone please help me

[leaden turret]

?

[woven falcon]

my blueprints aint working

its just a white arrow

[leaden turret]

#1038092680493801533 cos I aint got a clue

[woven falcon]

i already tried that😭

[whole drum]

Link your thread

[leaden turret]

you're literally engaging in a thread for that problem right now, why would you say you're getting ignored?

you also reposted the problem instead of updating your original thread...

[whole drum]

So it's just attention-seeking/impatience?

[woven falcon]

icl the guy responded and said read the thread and now hes helping me

[honest sleet]

i randomly wanna make a hypertube cannon a mile long...

[ivory condor]

LGIO is that you

[honest sleet]

no

i love LGIO but no

[leaden turret]

the hardest part of that will be the math

[honest sleet]

how so

it doesn't need to be exact

[leaden turret]

1m = 0.00621371 miles

[white dawn]

Why not a kilometer long? FICSIT values consistency

[honest sleet]

because i live in teh US

[white dawn]

MASSAGE 2(a-b)B isn't in the US. :)

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> is it against the rules if I make a joke about self-crafted inhalers being socialised medicine?

[honest sleet]

also i find it weird how the particle accelerator is so tiny. i mean it's huge but for a thing able to make neutron star crust it's tiny

[leaden turret]

ficsit has pocket dimension tech.

stands to reason the particle accelerator is bigger on the inside.

[honest sleet]

ok yea

so ficsit has pocket dimention tech, but still stores data on HDDs

[leaden turret]

as opposed to what?

[honest sleet]

seems odd to me

[honest sleet]

like anything else, eg USB sticks

[leaden turret]

the AI Limiter has VHS tape in it

the Supercomputer is possibly a reference to the 32x

FICSIT like old tech

[white dawn]

Then again, it takes ten minutes to reconstruct a single recipe out of a drive which apparently contains four, so one can assume that a FICSIT hard drive isn't just spinning metal. :D Probably some pocket-dimensionality going on in there, too

(and before anyone brings it up: yes, I'm aware of and familiar with parity for data reconstruction. :)

[glass pagoda]

Anyone have advice? https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1448041161267613907

[ivory condor]

this discussion reminded of micro usb connectors, what a truly god awful connector that was made literal e-waste🤮

[mortal ginkgo]

My headcannon is that, Ficsit wasn't really big of a company (aside from being able to go to another planet and get resources). They stumbled upon alien stuff which made "replication" so easy (your build tool etc) that it expanded too big and too much before other stuff could catch up.

And before long alien matter and ||copy humans|| completely took over etc etc

[glass pagoda]

Dont spoil the story

[mortal ginkgo]

its a headcannon, its not 100% proven legit story.

[glass pagoda]

But some is

[mortal ginkgo]

Brotherman "stumbling upon alien stuff" isn't spoiler. We get to make Dimensional Depots at Phase 2, even at 1 if you stumble upon SAM.

[white dawn]

There's not any story-spoiling in what ILN said, fwiw. :)

[leaden turret]

what if ||ADA just wants to take a break so is "checking in the back" like a beleagured retail worker?||

[white dawn]

(Also "headcannon" sounds like it'd be a strong whiplash hazard) </nitpick>

[ivory condor]

interesting theory, i know the story states that the alien stuff was one of the drives for human exploration of space, so apparently we know about the alien tech for a while, but not where it came from, etc and basically reverse engineered how it worked but couldnt decipher the original data the aliens apparently left behind

which is interesting that we could at least reverse engineer the basics of how the alien tech worked, even if couldnt 100% reproduce the tech ourselves, at least not yet

[leaden turret]

-# if a guitar pick is for strumming a guitar, is a nitpick for strumming hair parasites?

[white dawn]

(Now it's possible we're veering off into conversations best kept in #story-spoilers btw, even if it's just conjecture. :)

[mortal ginkgo]

Yup. Could be possible. I think lore-wise ADA gets more mercer spheres and understands how it works better, so we get better and weirder stuff that ADA marks as "You wouldn't get it."

But I get it.

It is all because of my mom.

Sorry guys.

[unkempt blade]

need to stick to headlasers so there's no recoil

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's so weird how ADA ||winds up having a twin that they kept secret all along and they both work together to pretend to teleport one of them from inside of a tank of water all the way across a room||

[ivory condor]

Maybe, but also it seems like humans have been trying to reproduce the alien tech also, alien power matrix for example was our attempt to try to reproduce the somersloop, even if it ended up being a partial failure, because it cannot harvest energy on its own and acts more of as a booster for the existing sloops

[mortal ginkgo]

ah correct, forgot the slooping the sloopy sloops part

[unkempt blade]

yeah who could have guessed that ||the planet we crash landed on was actually Earth the whole time||

[white dawn]

The real planet was the friends we made along the way?

[ivory condor]

and the aliens is really us millions of years in the future, the planet is from the future!

the lore is going deep👀

[unkempt blade]

much like how|| the pioneer and ADA are actually the same person and it's been the pioneer building nobelisks out of lye the whole time so they can destroy space capitalism||

[honest sleet]

this is just getting more and more unhinged

[unkempt blade]

thanks I got approved for the writer's guild and now I have to really flex my creativity and/or make existing plots legally distinct

[white dawn]

What if the Pioneer has to fight a bad guy who's got the same powers as the Pioneer, and there's a skybeam at the end!!?!

[unkempt blade]

brilliant!

[echo belfry]

Satfary

[gloomy dagger]

anyone know how to unlock more of the map? i keep going into black areas and they aint disappearing

[old parrot]

yay particle enrichment

[unborn rapids]

Hello, has anyone ever experienced Unreal crashes in multiplayer?

[mortal ginkgo]

@fringe vapor That lift issue happening due to 0.5 nudge. Jfyi.

[fringe vapor]

What

[mortal ginkgo]

You have a small nudge there. Not 1m regular one, but 0.5mm.

Thats what causing the bug.

[fringe vapor]

It's still works?

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, lift will work but visuals will have an empty spot like that.

[primal obsidian]

hi

[round matrix]

trying to figure out drones: do they only take off when they've fully finished unloading (and/or if possible, finished loading)?

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, they only do that either when fully unloaded ,or fully loaded

[round matrix]

i see.... that's really good to know. means the little mechanism i built to prevent the input and output mixing due to incomplete loading/unloading is.. unnecessary but frankly, great to know that it's also implemented in the game!

[hard ivy]

input and output won't mix regardless because the port has 2 separate inventories for each

[round matrix]

sure, but the drone doesn't. so if it did take off without fully unloading, it'd still have some (in this case) nitrogen cans in it when it's about to pick up some empty gas cans

[magic nest]

is the polymer resin alt good for plastic making

[hard ivy]

not really. there are better alts for that

[magic nest]

i tried using the recycled plastic but my liquid loops keeps failing and it’s bugging me so bad

[hard ivy]

there is no liquid to loop there?

[magic nest]

liquid system**

[hard ivy]

use smart splitters

[magic nest]

if i put too little rubber it doesn’t work if i try to use too much rubber it doesn’t make enough fuel because of the little amounts of heavy oil residue

[hard ivy]

what recipes are you even using?

[magic nest]

it’s 3 refinery’s making rubber and putting the the heavy oil into making fuel and then the recycled plastic recipe

[hard ivy]

default rubber?

[magic nest]

yes

[hard ivy]

that's not efficient

[magic nest]

is it supposed to be a different recipe for rubber?

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9pK9JtHgbCYp32Iv5Tm2

swap out diluted fuel for diluted packaged fuel if you're still in tier 5/6

[magic nest]

kk

thanks

[abstract heron]

u slept?

[leaden turret]

contrary to popular belief, I am not a robot

[whole drum]

Oh, and here I thought all these CM pings were automated, and you're saying they're not. How inefficient.

[white dawn]

exactly what a robot would say

[leaden turret]

nu, a robot would say:

contrary to popular belief— I am not a robot

[whole drum]

True. AI doesn't know that you're not supposed to put an extra space after the "--"

[leaden turret]

that's an excellent point! perhaps I am a robot

[short root]

AI would include protected / non-breaking spaces in their reply.

Not ADA, of course.

[gusty scaffold]

how many melt ovens do i need to make 100% efficient iron ore from miner mk.1? (im new)

[short root]

depends on the node purity

[whole drum]

By default, smelters take 30 ore and give 30 ingots. So just look at the output of the miner and do the simple math.

[short root]

one for impure, two for normal, four for pure without overclocking

[hard ivy]

divide miner production by smelter consumption

[gusty scaffold]

thanks yall!

[gentle lion]

How far is it from the west oil islands to the border ?

[wicked nacelle]

Don’t forget to factor in your belt speed if it can’t keep up with miner production

[wicked nacelle]

Satisfactory-calculator.com

[gentle lion]

I didn't know it showed that

[leaden turret]

scim is linked in #welcome btw

[fallow lantern]

so is satisfactory calculator made by CSS?

so its just popular and supported then

[wicked nacelle]

Its not supported

[gentle lion]

So the oil is at ~ -245000 and where water ends is like -330000 so there's a loooot of space

[white dawn]

Endorsed would be a good way to put it, since it's included in the welcome links

[fallow lantern]

well its supported to some degree if its in the welcome page

[white dawn]

But basically all tools out there which aren't the game itself are third-party things which aren't actually supported directly by CSS

[hard ivy]

don't look where water ends, look where the worldborder starts

[gentle lion]

The red line?

Ok so in the -340000 area

I mean not sure what conversion to meters is for game bug should be plenty

[hard ivy]

the in-engine coordinates (that scim uses) are just centimeters

[wicked nacelle]

SCIM coordinates are game coordinates x100

[gentle lion]

Oh

[wicked nacelle]

Game coordinates meaning the ones you see in the in game map

[gentle lion]

So I've got plenty of room eother way lol

[wicked nacelle]

If you’re worried about running out of space for fuel generators then yeah. Don’t.

A mod that just scales existing building dimensions to increase input/output would be funny. Just imagine a really big fuel generator that can eat a whole pipe of rocket fuel 🙂

[gentle lion]

Yeah I'm just trying to redo layout before I slap 50 of them down. For future scalability and turbo fuel addition if I want

[wicked nacelle]

Just plan per pipe of rocket fuel split into 250% generators. It’s basically 10/generator I think.

If you plan for maybe 6 pipes of rocket fuel you’ll likely be reasonably happy. 360 generators would probably make you happy

And if you start with an earlier tier of fuel you can run about the same number just not overclocked (accounting for more rocket fuel than the source turbo fuel as well as slower burn rate)

[shy ether]

hey anyone has the same problem like me? i think its a windows update problem....in 1.0 all was fine but now when i start the game and i come to the main menu, in the below left corner is in red text "Not connected to Platform Services"

after 20 secs it re-authenticates but with no success and with timeout, i should proof my internet connection and start the game new....i have no internet problems and i don't play on dedicated servers...only a private multiplayer game with my girlfriend

[wicked nacelle]

1.0? 1.0 what?

[shy ether]

satisfactory 1.0

4-5 month ago the game runs perfectly...now with 1.1 i have above mentioned problem

hä? i play over epic games, i don't pirated the game xD

[wicked nacelle]

So the question would just be if anyone else is having problems connecting to epic game services right now. Beyond that you’d need to make a post in the questions channel. Sorry usually when people talk about 1.0 it means they are running that because they can’t update a pirate copy. I misunderstood your prior question. https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533

[charred thistle]

I've come to the conclusion that biofuel is better than coal

I have built over 20 biofuel reactors :3

[shy ether]

i already wrote in questions and help but after 3 weeks no answer from anyone 🙁

[wicked nacelle]

As long as you don’t mind feeding them then power is power. Just know power requirements increase exponentially through the game

[wicked nacelle]

Dunno man. Sorry to hear that. I don’t know what it would be.

[shy ether]

no prob 🙁

[wicked nacelle]

I’m guessing you’ve uninstalled the game and reinstalled it?

[shy ether]

yeah i did all, reinstalled epic, satisfactory, deactivated anti virus, cleaned registry......i think it was caused by a windows 11 update....but don't know what was changed, that satisfactory doesn't see that i am connected to EOS

[charred thistle]

i have 40 reactors set up and I'm barely phase 2 of project assembly i'll be aight

look in screenshots

[wicked nacelle]

Only suggestion I have is temporarily turn off windows firewall and see what happens.

[keen light]

Finally got my depot storage started. Feels amazing.

[vague timber]

Are there any guides that explains how and why use trains and train network around the world. I don't get the idea of it and all videos I find shows how to build rails in a beautiful way. I am more interested in do I transport raw resources, finished products and similar basic stuffs. Basically I need ELI5 variant of efficient way to use trains

[leaden turret]

• make sure train station is facing correct way (sign at front)
• if signals being weird, you're possibly using the wrong type

[white dawn]

In brief: do a dual-rail system and decide which "side" you want your trains to drive on (like cars on a road). Enclose all intersections with Block Signals, enclose each station in block signals, and have block signals every 200-300m or so (or just however often you want) on straightaways

Once you're comfortable with that, you can look into upgrading intersections to Path Signals

(Though they're pretty straightforward: Path Signal going "in," Block Signal going "out")

[gentle lion]

Ok im doing mk 2 pipelines oil extractor overclocked to 600/m, and using the HOR packaged fuel I should have a decent amount of generators

[white dawn]

Also keep in mind that you can start a separate Advanced Game Settings save with all the "cheaty" options on if you wanted to just quickly prototype some stuff to get used to it

Rather handy for quick tests where you don't want to have to worry about building materials or deconstructing tests once you're done

[vague timber]

That's the point I am trying to figure out use cases of trains. For example do I use them to bring a lot of raw resources to a single factory and then work with that or do I use them to bring finished products (for example rubber and plastic) to another plastic where I need it.

[white dawn]

(Oh, and also: start small. Make sure you understand how your trains are working before you embark on doing a map-wide network. :)

[vague timber]

I already have three train rails (two of them are dual and one single rail) but all they do are bring stuff from point A to point B

[white dawn]

Honestly whatever you like. Trains excel at high-throughput transfers (which include stuff like raw ores), but you can also use them for smaller transfers. My most "impressive" train route on my 1.0 save was a train whose sole job it was to transfer 2/min HMF

[wicked nacelle]

I’ve also found that trying to set up a railway first then build factories around it is a mistake. Decide where you build the factory THEN adjust train line to that

[white dawn]

Personally I tend to build factories right near the nodes they need, and only ship "end products" (or intermediate products inbetween sub-factories), but that's just me

[keen light]

Trains offer a way to move multiple types of items along the same paths, possibly faster than the best belts.

That's about the simplest I can do

But really, they just look cool

[gentle lion]

@white dawn here are the 2 blueprints for fuel setup, just have to run oil pipeline and setup water extractor at each set #screenshots message

[vague timber]

And for what distances should I usually use trains. For example right now I have single rail train moving caterium ore 400meters

[white dawn]

Also, if you're willing to spend the space on it, remember to give yourself a "passenger" station at your train sites, for a nice easy Pioneer-transit system which won't interfere with your cargo trains (beyond technically adding a bit of congestion possibly). (If you want, of course. I'd wager there's not too many people who actually do that, but IMO it's great. :)

[white dawn]

Sweet! Blueprints for fuel gens is definitely super nice

[leaden turret]

-# tubes are faster 😛

[keen light]

if I need to move something over 800m I start thinking about trains

[leaden turret]

belt all the things

[wicked nacelle]

The point of a properly built train setup is that you can attach stations to it anywhere and expand the main rail as you need to. So it doesn’t matter how close or far things are because you keep expanding it.

You don’t build single use lines every time you want to use a train to move something just like there aren’t single use roads in real life to get you between any two places

[primal obsidian]

hi

[vague timber]

Yeah but I've seen people build one single rail network around the map, the part I don't understand at that do they build extra train networks in each biome which connects to that main network or do they just send stuff straight to the main network

[wicked nacelle]

If you do a proper two rail highway system there is only one big network. There is no concept of different networks. Any station can send and receive anything anywhere that has rail

[median rain]

Is it just me or is tier 9 not that much of a step higher then tier 8? I've looked through the wiki and it seems like it just uses items you've already unlocked before and has pretty easy recipes, the only "hard" part is a lot of the machines use a crap ton of power

[wicked nacelle]

It’s not. It just wraps up the story. It’s the only phase/tier that doesn’t introduce any significant new complexity or challenge.

[white dawn]

Yeah, that plus the Dark Matter loop is a kind of fun new wrinkle, though since you've already gone through stuff like Aluminum, it shouldn't be particularly challenging

[queen drift]

I've encountered the situation where I wanted to turn on the artifact scanner in my explorer vehicle when I explore the map. What do u think pioners? https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/69388d4ad94d9330b8369eb2

[wicked nacelle]

The biggest part of t9 is the 1200/m belts so you can grow what you make off pure nodes by quite a bit

[vague timber]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1448074078362538096
so something like this where i have one big network and each biome lets say has one big station which bring stuff in and out?

[wicked nacelle]

I suggest just doing it by factory not by biome. If you have two factories in a biome then two stations (or maybe multiple stations at a factory). Once you have rail nearby the time cost to connect another factory is essentially zero

That’s the power of rail is that small incremental extensions have massive logistical ooomph

[vague timber]

what if i need to rbing stuff between those two factories do i connect them both in the main network? (let's say they are only one kilometer apart, but connecting them to main network would require doing 2-3km detour)

[wicked nacelle]

EVERYTHING is on the same rail network. You just make a train and tell it go from A to B

When you drive from your house to the interstate you don’t have to switch what car you’re driving to be on a different road network. Same with trains in the game.

Some rail will only be used by local trains with stops at nearby factories but it’s still all connected

[white dawn]

Nothing wrong with doing an "isolated" A->B transfer somewhere if it's nowhere near your other rail, of course

[wicked nacelle]

Logically you do have some rail that is the “main highway” and you don’t put stops on it. You make an “on ramp/off ramp” to some rail that has the train stations on it. This is just so other trains don’t have to stop while another train loads/unloads. But from a connection standpoint it’s all the same rail network

[white dawn]

Though you might discover later on that you want to connect it up regardless. You can always retrofit it later to hook up, of course, though you run into the potential risk of causing some delays on the established lines

One thing you could do is put in an "intersection" somewhere which just isn't hooked up to anything, so you can hook it in later if you like, without having to redo bits of rail

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah I absolutely use factories that are only drone connected if the numbers work out. The drone connection can replace the rail connection for low throughput stuff

[white dawn]

Personally I tend to always hook all my rail into the same network 'cause I love using trains for Pioneer transport. If I'm in the middle of building the factory and want to pop back to my HUB area for whatever reason, it's nice to be able to just hop on a train and get there

Even if hooking it up would mean that I'm building kilometers of rail which I technically don't need at the moment

But then, I also enjoy building rail just for its own sake. :)

[short root]

It also doesn't matter when the train goes around for 2-3km instead of 1km. Imagine you would use belts, for the throughput, it's not really an issue how long the transport is. Of course, the train throughput decreases with distance, but you can use multiple trains and stations to accomodate for this.

[glad quest]

ts ting called buffers

[gritty zealot]

whos up factorising their factories rn

[glad quest]

nuh me cuz

i be doing diddly squat

[short root]

Yes, I use them always, for every freight platform

[glad quest]

nah i just like to gamble

[sudden flint]

do you really need many stators, or is it mostly a middle component?

[hard ivy]

they're not used in any building

[sudden flint]

so after MAM and HUB research, they're just a middle component?

[white dawn]

They're used to open a crash site or two, so it's helpful to have a few in your Depot. Though I believe you can find sufficient Stators scattered around crash sites, so you could just collect 'em that way

But yeah, definitely don't need a production line outputting to storage, for 'em

[glad quest]

nah i always make at least 100pm

[sudden flint]

...

okay so no need for stator lines then

I'll just use my steel rotor alts

[white dawn]

@bitter shuttle (re: #screenshots message ) - translate.google.com/?sl=sv&tl=en&text=god jul&op=translate

[bitter shuttle]

nah nah

no way ficsit is swedish in origin

theres no ikea furniture

[wicked nacelle]

Here's the rail network on my largest save just as an example of how it can end up - not that it's necessary during normal gameplay while completing the story: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1448081945907953778/image.png?ex=6939f6e7&is=6938a567&hm=4a9f6bf6cf24122542ac97d219adc470a743739932e820206831601e7449d01b& The pink lines with the green dots is the train line. You can see how it is pretty organic in that it goes to my factories wherever my factories are

[strong fiber]

who ever told me to make liquid biofuel thank u because i slooped almost everything and now i have a bunch if biofuel

[wicked nacelle]

it's useful for travelling long distances with hypertube cannon or even just "jump slide down a belt"

[strong fiber]

I got two full containers of it already i should be good for a while hopefully

[wicked nacelle]

You should be able to get to ion fuel with just that 🙂

[strong fiber]

ok

[charred thistle]

mass deforestation is fun :3

[wicked nacelle]

especially with cluster bombs

[strong fiber]

I dont know what to work on next

I need to expand my oil power plant so imma do that first

[charred thistle]

oh im using a chainsaw

[white dawn]

Have you seen Ficsonium?

[charred thistle]

call me jeff bezos the way i be destroying the amazon 🗣️

[wicked nacelle]

that's fun early game 🙂 but later just spreading out a field of cluster bombs and making them all go boom is beautiful

[strong fiber]

What do i do with the polymer resin except making plastic and rubber with it or sinking it cuz i dont wanna waste it

[wicked nacelle]

that.. doesn't seem right

[wicked nacelle]

make rubber. that's it.

which allows you to use more fuel to make plastic.

if you're not using a lot of rubber yet -- don't worry. You will 🙂

[strong fiber]

I was using the residual rubber recipe

[bitter shuttle]

non

[strong fiber]

With water and polymer resin

So i dont waste any of my precious fuel

[vague timber]

Thanks that answers some of my most important questions.

[strong fiber]

Should i make hella fuel

[white dawn]

Do you want to place down hella fuel gens?

[wicked nacelle]

once you have HOR alt and diluted packaged fuel alt

probably just make what you need until then

[charred thistle]

I tried :c

[strong fiber]

ok

[charred thistle]

Haven't gotten bombs yet

Wat tier is that :0

[wicked nacelle]

well you can make the stuff you need with coal/steel phase -- technically you can FIND the stuff laying around to get it right away....

[white dawn]

Plastic and/or rubber is, indeed, the usual thing to do with the Resin byproduct from a fuel plant. Sink the resin until you've got a use for it, and then convert as-needed. (Ideally with a smart-splitter's overflow heading to a sink, so that any resin you don't use up still keeps flowing.) On my last save, my computer + HSC factory was supplied 100% of its oil products via the resin byproduct from my first fuel power plant

[strong fiber]

Imma work on a computer and heavy modular frame factory

[white dawn]

It's a MAM unlock; find some sulfur and start researching. :) (As xaxxon mentioned, you do need steel to be able to make them)

[charred thistle]

:c

[wicked nacelle]

have you unlocked blade runners yet?

[charred thistle]

Yee

[wicked nacelle]

okay good 🙂 then yeah sulfur should probably be your next goal in the mam

[strong fiber]

would 5 computers / min be fine for now

[unkempt blade]

What about factory carts? That's an important unlock

[strong fiber]

And 2 heavy modular frame/min

[wicked nacelle]

you're already unhinged -- does that count?? 😛

[wicked nacelle]

yes that will get you by for a bit

[white dawn]

For your personal stash? Sure. You'll be making more later.

Don't stress about how quickly you build anything. You can always just build more later, once you need to

[unkempt blade]

I'm working on being ununhinged but I'm currently just reunhinged 🙁

[charred thistle]

I'm still working on my gigawatt biofuel system we're at 750+w now only drawing 300

[wicked nacelle]

well that's the nice thing about bioburners is they only use fuel as needed. but don't forget they will start going through it faster and faster as you bring more online.

[charred thistle]

Yee I know

But mass deforestation is funny

Funny>efficient

[wicked nacelle]

my save's SCIM tab in chrome is 2.5GB

[charred thistle]

if anyone wants to help clear out forests y'all can join me :3

[wicked nacelle]

I'll let you have all the fun 😄

[strong fiber]

The reason why is because i know im gonna spend 5 hours working on 1 factory so i wanna make sure im making enough

First i gotta put it into s planner tho

[gentle lion]

Lol just got the Choo Choo motherf* message 😂 😂

[white dawn]

5/min is super unlikely to be "enough" to get you through the rest of the game without having to build more computers, if that's what you're worried about

[neon basalt]

I need to find sam so I can progress down this tree

[white dawn]

But there's literally no way to know how much will be enough. It depends on how big you build, and what recipes you choose, etc.

Planning for the future (in the sense of "I'm going to build x/min of this resource with an x suffuciently large that I never have to make them again) isn't something that's IMO worth trying for

Either you undershoot (in which case you have to make some more factory anyway) or you overshoot (in which case some factory-building time was "wasted," though of course if you had fun building it then that might not actually matter)

[strong fiber]

Will it get me to phase 4?

[shadow orchid]

do stacked merger not interact with each other?

[white dawn]

Better, IMO, to just build exactly what you need right now, and then build more once you know how much you need

[white dawn]

Who knows? I don't, and you don't. :)

There will always be more factory to build

[strong fiber]

I will just make 5/min computers and 2/min heavy modular frame for now cuz im gonna need to make more anyways

[unkempt blade]

famously The World is Not Enough which is a documentary that just so happens to deal with world's supply of an important resource

[white dawn]

And remember that if you build 5/min computers now, and 5/min computers later, that's basically the same amount of work as building 10/min in one factory

But you get to do it as you need it, knowing the exact amounts that you happen to need at the time (instead of just guessing)

(I admit that there are some economies of scale involved which would make doing 10/min maybe a bit less effort, but IMO relatively negligible)

(Plus, building them as-needed gives you more opportunities to choose different recipes and build styles, etc)

[wicked nacelle]

oh and just FYI - the train network in that screenshot has about 200 trains (total 733 engines+cars)

at about 150 trains it started getting a bit congested and I had to optimize some interesctions and make a couple shortcut rails between popular locations but rail really scales extremely well

my main aluminum facotry though is a bit of an embarassment of train congestion 🙁 because it probably has like... 16 trains that come to it? maybe more

[unkempt blade]

or a monument to vehicular logistics

[wicked nacelle]

nah. Really nah

[unkempt blade]

you could always replace some trains with carts to conserve space

[gentle lion]

I used alts for computer so I could have the ones I need for now. Already had everything in one spot

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1448089028217016370/image.png?ex=6939fd80&is=6938ac00&hm=ccd4d15a911436acd14b359a378f92e5ff70abd1a7a65a6aa7d082c1cb84e34f&

[bitter shuttle]

im guessing you can't have 2 trains with the same destination station?

[wicked nacelle]

absolutely can! and often want to

[bitter shuttle]

i thought there weren't uhhh train limits

[compact flicker]

Gotta use the signals to make sure they don't crash tho

[hard ivy]

there are no train limits indeed

[wicked nacelle]

that's if you're sharing ANY rail though. it's not specific to sharing a station

[compact flicker]

Ye

[bitter shuttle]

hmmm, i'll just hope my stations are well built enough to handle the throughput!

im planning on making fuel power. my coal power is holding up but i want to future proof

[wicked nacelle]

I had zero clue there was oil at crater lakes

until I looked at my own screenshot

[bitter shuttle]

pretty sure thats where i get my oil lmao

speaking of i need to upgrade it to mk2 pipelines and such to put up with the train demand im going to be adding

[compact flicker]

Hand crafting 1k SAM fluctuators

-w-

[bitter shuttle]

thats what i did for my depot upgrades lol

[compact flicker]

Exactly. I'm not waiting till I unlock manufacturers on this save to use the depot lol