satisfactory

[bitter pine]

in grassland i can not find the coal

that's main problem

i found only 2 coal node

[reef basin]

Go further

[hasty cairn]

Coal nodes do tend to be a bit further out, yeah. They are reasonably common, you just gotta explore a bit. I would recommend going down the Quartz line until you get the speed boost item from it, that will save you a lot of time exploring

And both now and after that slide-jumping is your fastest way of getting around. When moving downhill or over flat land, slide with "C" key and then jump, and repeat this every time you land, you will gain acceleration very fast

[bitter pine]

i know that

but can u tell me where i can find the geothermal resources

[hasty cairn]

You are looking for steam geysers. It is a bit tougher, they are rare for sure. Look for raised-up bits of ground with steam hissing out of them. When your cursor is over them they might say "Water (node quality)"

[bitter pine]

yes yes

[summer swift]

Is there a way to get rid of a sky manta that keeps flying through my base?

[hasty cairn]

Shoot it?

[hard ivy]

Geysers and water nodes are 2 completely different things

[hard ivy]

It'd be easier to just find more coal

[fluid sapphire]

Experience will teach you to accommodate your friend, not build in their path

[bitter pine]

ok

[fluid sapphire]

You must have noticed while building that fren flies through your building, their loop is only like 7 minutes long

[near thicket]

Does overflow include unfiltered items

For smart splitters

[fluid sapphire]

Of course

[hard ivy]

Overflow includes anything and everything that cannot go through any of the other outputs

[leaden turret]

mods

[leaden turret]

option 2: don't build in the biome that has the manta

[fluid sapphire]

Option 3: accommodate them

[summer swift]

but its such a good factory spot
and i already built a decent amount

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q="manta gate"

[hard ivy]

Option 4: don't care

[forest mirage]

Is automating supercomputer necessary.. I need 50 of them but not sure if I'll need them alot later..

[fluid sapphire]

you will

[forest mirage]

Okay thank you.. im automating all the parts to make them already was just gonna handcraft them so thank you for saving me some future time

[fluid sapphire]

you dont necessarily need a large amount per minute, a handful is enough to finish the game

i make 6, i expect that to be enough to at least beat the game, and i can make more later

you could easily make do with less

[hard ivy]

Yeah, cause you built them in a way that makes them kinda slow XD

!wikisearch hypertube cannon

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=hypertube+cannon

[fluid sapphire]

wdym you cant do it, what video

[hard ivy]

It needs spacing between exit of one tube and the next entrance

You also don't need entrances both ways unless you want to go both ways

[abstract heron]

i might broke satisfactoory with MW

i have 6,175million power hooked up to my main power i have 9,584million power

[summer swift]

I think i know what you are talking about, you need to hold ctrl to prevent the tube from connecting back to the previous one if thats the problem you are having

[fluid sapphire]

the way i did in the video i sent you earlier

[zenith pecan]

Haha, https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Hypertube_brake still exists there, just marked outdated 😄

[hard ivy]

The wiki article explains it well. The only thing I'd change is remove the supports

[fluid sapphire]

place two supports, as close as you can, no nudge needed, connect them with a tube, add an entrance on one end - repeat

i just tried it, still works

no, like i said, connect the two supports with a tube

watch very carefully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hEnl62Q1sA

place support
place another one next to it
build hypertube connecting the two supports
place an entrance on the second one, in the direction of the first one

thats all there is to it

[zenith pecan]

Cannon construction, a bit like this old test one #design-and-architecture message

[fluid sapphire]

note that you cant see the actual tube unless you delete the supports, but listen to the clicks and the sparks, i build it, and i demonstrate at the end of the video, that there is indeed a tube

[hard ivy]

In my experience, this works worse than spacing them out more

[zenith pecan]

I doubt I could make a video demonstrating construction any better than the youtube one.

[fluid sapphire]

its the same process, regardless of spacing

[hard ivy]

That is true

[zenith pecan]

The compact ones vs spaced, a couple of us tested those until our eyes bled, compacts only had a third of the throwing power. (update 7 tho, results may vary)

[hard ivy]

<@&387163995947270144>

[fluid sapphire]

bye crab

[zenith pecan]

Same popped up in exp, mods nuked it within seconds.

[fluid sapphire]

quick work

[hard ivy]

Yeah, and my friend was repeatedly getting stuck in his compact design, while mine worked flawlessly, even in multiplayer, up to 17 entrances

[zenith pecan]

Best part with my eyesight being bad is even seeing the pics conveyed nothing because I didn't grab my glasses to actually pay attention, just four blurs 🤣

[zenith pecan]

I had that happen in my cannon yard back then with one of the test cannons, I think it was Baldur who had to run the experiment, because mine didn't want to know.

I got a work colleague into satisfactory recently, he's just hit oil and having a blast 😄

[somber monolith]

I’m putting 480 pm ore on one side of the train and 520 pm is coming out the other side is my game bugged?

[fluid sapphire]

oops that was the wrong clip

the numbers that platforms report are unereliable, if thats what you are looking at

[zenith pecan]

I'm still sort of waking after a bad night, numbers for what? 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

freight platforms

lets try again xd (the only difference with the other video is the distance between the supports)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P94mPNUVon4

[zenith pecan]

Ahh cheers, it wouldn't be the first time I waltzed in halfway through a conversation and was like wait wut, sorry about that.

[abstract heron]

<@&370483737957236737> Will there be a blog or a video today on Ficmas or in the coming days?

@fringe vapor on the QA site

[fluid sapphire]

literally place everything the same way i do in the video, i dont understand 😄

[fluid sapphire]

steps here

[somber monolith]

Just got my first ever train line working this stuff is annoying

[hasty dragon]

Zena I half expected #screenshots message to end in a Crash Report 🤣

[hard ivy]

Yeah, the only thing I'd change is remove the supports. They just add unnecessary hitboxes that can potentially slow you down

[somber monolith]

That hyper tube cannon can be smaller

[hard ivy]

An order of magnitude smaller

[somber monolith]

If u put the supports right after each other then attach a entrance to one

[hasty dragon]

all 320 buildings are placed down for my 45/min hmf factory

actually i think it's more

[hard ivy]

One entrance per tube

Not 2

[fluid sapphire]

One entrance per section

All sections head to the same direction

[-]<

[somber monolith]

Am I right that I need a storage bin at the entrance and exit of the train station

[whole drum]

You want them as buffers for loading and unloading, yes

[somber monolith]

Every train station?

[whole drum]

Depends what you want to load and do with it

But usually

[fading whale]

I deally for each item/container.
When the train loads/unloads, it briefly stops input/output resulting in a gap in your items pr. minute. So the storage container as buffer will negate this.

[hard ivy]

It's not strictly required in some cases, but yeah, it's good practice to build one at every platform

[abstract heron]

is 101.268 HMF per minute is that to much

[unkempt blade]

even more is going to be even more fun

[zenith pecan]

I really will get my main productions rebuilt 😄 🤣

[unkempt blade]

with lots of factory carts so it's future proofed?

[abstract heron]

I mean to start out i am making factorys of factorys aka for my depo to build stuff but in a neater way

[zenith pecan]

No mate, while factory carts are compact, the stations aren't.

[unkempt blade]

but they're so tiny!... compared to train stations

[hard ivy]

Do yourself a favour and make 101.25. The numbers are gonna be way nicer. And also, make sure you're not using screws anywhere in the chain

[zenith pecan]

Still too big, even though the idea of small vehicles moving stuff like a modern warehouse is cool, the stations just make me think nope.

[abstract heron]

ik that i never do it minus at the start when i set up production

[exotic garnet]

guys this game fun but it works on my sanity and mental health 😭

[unkempt blade]

If he's already using decimals is it really going to matter? I'd be super interested in an example/explanation 😆

[abstract heron]

i been playing over 5 years and my hrs are 17,768 hrs on record

[exotic garnet]

i have 700 hours

[hard ivy]

Why did you build something else when you had the correct design 🤦

[exotic garnet]

i wane to make machines run constant but its hard and it discarded me not to play the game anymore

[unkempt blade]

what are you finding difficult about running constantly?

[hard ivy]

It's really not hard. Just change clock speed

[exotic garnet]

math im not really good at math i even strugle to use a calculator

[north summit]

1% drill clock challenge

[hard ivy]

Well, other than the supports, which I remove, it's identical to the one I use and have been using since hypertubes were added

[unkempt blade]

this is the kind of speed run I can get behind

[hard ivy]

So, if anything, it might end up working too well if you place more than 20 entrances

[unkempt blade]

though maybe it's more of a speedwalk?

[north summit]

Speedcrawl

[peak wasp]

is there any way to launch myself with hyper tubes without having to build a short tube for each one

[exotic garnet]

i rather play my usual car, farming sim and driving games since that doesn't need patient and doesn't work on my sanity only times i get mad at those games is when somthing doesnt fungtion like it should bc of problems on my end

other wise i still play those games

[unkempt blade]

nope that's just how HT cannons work

[abstract heron]

YAY FICMAS IS STARTING ON MONDAY!!!!!!!!!

[sonic verge]

is there amy way to use petroleum coke in an assembler for black powder?

[zenith pecan]

!wikisearch petroleum_coke

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=petroleum_coke

[unique quest]

does ada have to talk about every new discovery i make

[somber monolith]

Absolutely

[abstract heron]

I have a good weeekend project ahead of me

[somber monolith]

Very important

[primal obsidian]

finished placing half my reactors only 24 more to go

[steel kelp]

I also just finished placing half but i have 72 left to go

[primal obsidian]

what are you using all that power for

[steel kelp]

Nothing

[primal obsidian]

halfway done and it already produces the same amount as the whole grid

[steel kelp]

Its my first playthrough and i wanted to make it as big as i could

[primal obsidian]

wait what i think one of my power plants is broken i couldve sworn there was another 10 GW in the grid

just placing the reactors and putting htem on standby so there isnt a backlog of waste for the waste managment plant that doesent exist yet to deal with

[steel kelp]

Just dont turn on the water gens

Same impact i guess

[primal obsidian]

well its 2 water gens for 1 reactor so it would take me longer

[steel kelp]

Preference, idk if turning it off stops the machine from filling up

But not turning on the water defo allows you to fill up the manifold as you build it

[primal obsidian]

turning it off does not stop it from filling up i dont think

[steel kelp]

Should check it, for me its like a 4 hour wait for the machines to fill up so id rather spend a bit of extra time connecting water gens lol

[primal obsidian]

fill up with water?

or fuel rods

[steel kelp]

Rods

[primal obsidian]

im on a multiplayer server so theres a backlog of lik 10 stacks

are you gonna burn the plutonium aswell or just the uranium

[hearty moth]

I’m sorry, but what do you mean I can’t place a water extractor in the open ocean?😭

[primal obsidian]

outside of the world border where water isnt real

[hearty moth]

But I can still build foundations and machines there?

[livid geyser]

It’s wonky, I guess

[hearty moth]

Completely messed up my 252 nuclear generator water supply 💀😭

[steel kelp]

For now just uranium, but i intend to go all the way up to ficsonium

I need to plan all that stuff out tho

Idk if i can do the ficsonium legit

[zenith pecan]

You can run the whole show and more on uranium alone and simply sink the pu fuel.

[steel kelp]

Thats what im doing

[rough lotus]

look for group play

[primal obsidian]

me too but at a way smaller scale since im just doing it off one normal node at 250% and a slighlty ineffecient way because i didnt check what alts were good

[primal obsidian]

#1201555265942724758

[steel kelp]

I mean ficsonium is easy for one node

I’ll be making like 30 plutonium rods a min

Maybe more i cant remember

[primal obsidian]

wow

actually i might not even do ficsonium fuel rod cause this is a server and all my work will be lost

#screenshots message this is my reactors so far

[steel kelp]

Scroll up a bit and you’ll see mine

[primal obsidian]

yeah i saw yours thats way bigger

dont know why you would ever need that much power

[zenith pecan]

If i use all the uranium again, tbh I'll stop with burning uranium rods, my rocket fuel plant already produces a sick amount of electric, nuclear will just be a vanity build for its challenge and looking cool.

[primal obsidian]

not end game yet i still need to finish phase 4 i was planning on storing plutonium till i unlocked ficsonium and set all that up

but ficsonium seems really complicated so maybe il just use plutonium as fuel

[south sinew]

ficsonium is only used by people who compulsively must never store waste at all

it's enormously overcomplicated and doesn't produce very much power at all

[white dawn]

Yeah, Ficsonium's for folks who have both of these requirements: 1) Burn Plutonium, 2) Still have "clean" nuclear

[south sinew]

much easier to just store plutonium waste

[zenith pecan]

My last uranium build didn't even get powered until I had plutonium rods produced and sink available, It was actually a radiation free build.

[white dawn]

That's really its niche. If both of those prereqs line up with you, then there you go. :)

(But if not, yeah, it'd be quite difficult to justify)

[sly oriole]

hello, ive seen people have this green line and that they can align stuff with it, is that a mod or a setting?

like quick and easy

[white dawn]

If you hold down Ctrl while building, things will "snap" into places under various conditions. Is that what you mean? (Not sure what the console equivalent is)

[sly oriole]

ohhh

so it was just me being extremly stupid

thank you

[white dawn]

Heh, all good, there's a lot of building options and a lot of hotkeys. :)

[livid geyser]

R1

[dusky aspen]

can i chane my material while building? on pc

[primal obsidian]

yeah but automation game with more things to automate so if you really want to do it then you should

[white dawn]

From the customizer, you can right-click on a material/swatch and set it as the "default" for various buildable types

[dusky aspen]

THANKS!

[south sinew]

I'm not saying you shouldn't do it if you want to, just that there's not a lot of reason to want to

[dusky aspen]

how to do it on foundations?

[white dawn]

Stuff like the various foundation materials and such can also just be hotbar'd directly, since they have their own build-menu selection items (and there's a key to cycle/pick those materials while building as well)

[fading whale]

Nothing stupid about that 🙂
Take note that using those lines can take a bit of practice. For larger structures (like the manufactor). You can get a line for each input AND the building itself. So if you view it from an angle, and don't notice, you sometimes end up aligning with the wrong input/output. As everything, takes a bit of practice.

[white dawn]

Note the little dropdown on the sections when choosing foundationy material from the selector, etc

[primal obsidian]

yeah doesent it give like 25% more power despit being way harder to make then uranium or plutonium fuel rods

[south sinew]

something like that

it costs a lot of power and resources to make, especially SAM if I recall

[open parcel]

if i leave my save can the people with the link still join it?

[white dawn]

It's quite power-inefficient, yeah. Its niche really is just to satisfy the twin requirements of "burn plutonium" and "have clean nuclear still"

If you don't want to leave Plutonium power gains on the ground, and don't want to store waste, then Ficsonium's what'll get you there. But if you've got personal wiggle room on either of those requirements, then eh. :)

[dusky aspen]

#screenshots message i don't see it

[white dawn]

At least it's net-power-positive, so it's not like you're losing power to get rid of your Pu waste

[white dawn]

Yeah, quite SAM-heavy, though at the scale that "normal" folks are likely to build, there's still plenty of SAM on the map to support it, IMO

[solemn edge]

hi

[abstract heron]

Do i need to make a TON of quickwire for anything?

[south sinew]

yes

[white dawn]

I still had plenty of SAM left over after building out a 500GW nuclear plant which went all the way to Ficsonium

[south sinew]

quickwire has a lot of useful alts and is also used in high-speed connector and AI limiter a lot

[white dawn]

As with other high-volume items, btw, Quickwire's generally best produced right where it's needed in the factory which needs it

[abstract heron]

used for what? i am making atm factorys of factorys

[dapper marten]

Guys, I have 10 blenders for nitro rocket fuel(200%), how do I balance 2000 sulfur/min with just mk5 belts?(780/min)
I was thinking of using 4 output(2 train stations) and splitting them out and use each line for 2 blenders, but with that I'll have 2 blenders out

[abstract heron]

so basically aka turning all into other things for depos

[fading whale]

#screenshots This makes sense?

[south sinew]

Particle Accelerators are 500 quickwire a pop

[dusky aspen]

yeah

[abstract heron]

so turn all caterium into quick wire

[south sinew]

I wouldn't say all of it, Caterium has other uses like Fused Wire is very good

[white dawn]

Or, just make the quickwire where it's needed, in the quantities you need it in

[south sinew]

but IMO it's worth prioritising Caterium into Quickwire for the DD, after that just make Quickwire as needed

[white dawn]

In the end it's up to you, of course, but especially for high-volume items like quickwire, it's rarely worth the bother to try and "centralize" it

[fading whale]

@dusky aspen If oyu want to change material (not color) you can just select "Materials" and change it on the fly.

[frail sleet]

You can put sulfur belts through a 4:4 balancer/mixer, then as long as none of the 4 output belts pull over 780, any input can feed any output.

[dusky aspen]

yeah. thanks

[abstract heron]

i mean like ill have other recipes but ill keep some to the side

[dapper marten]

4:4 balancer?

[primal obsidian]

theres avisual bug where reactors are making smoke despite being on standby and its really annoying vause i think tha i forgot to turn one off but its just a glitch

[south sinew]

Eventually copper ends up a lot more short than Caterium so it's usually best to use Quickwire and Fused Wire whenever you can to save copper

[pliant prawn]

Random thought: I really hope an update one day adds mirror building mode. Flipping these stupid blenders around would be so nice. Ugh

[frail sleet]

Input:
A
B
C
D

Output:
1 = 25% of A, B, C, D
2 = 25% of A, B, C, D
3 = 25% of A, B, C, D
4 = 25% of A, B, C, D

[livid geyser]

Is this with smart splitter? Just realised I never used them.

[frail sleet]

Just regular splitters and mergers

[livid geyser]

Gotchu

[dapper marten]

AH, I might understand what you mean, but:
I'm stupid to imagine it it completely
I'm kinda tight with space😔 😅

[frail sleet]

split groups of machines (so that 1 group has 1 belt of materials) or injection manifold are easy space-efficient ways 😛

[open parcel]

still waiting

[pliant prawn]

are you running it as a dedicated server? Pretty sure if the host logs out it kicks all other members

[open parcel]

ah

[abstract heron]

i will 🙂

[dapper marten]

Uh how do I ping a message from the screenshot lol?

[remote hawk]

guys

[frail sleet]

iron wire too 😄

[remote hawk]

i got to tier 2

[livid geyser]

Coal power!!!

[pliant prawn]

tag someone? use the @

[south sinew]

That's Phase 2, not Tier 2

[livid geyser]

I take it back.

[remote hawk]

nope

but like

WTF IS AN ASSEMBLER

[south sinew]

I've generally been somewhat eh on iron wire, preferring Caterium wire, but it's growing on me

[remote hawk]

oh no its gonna be soo complicated

[livid geyser]

Constructor but with two items needed

[pliant prawn]

easy, two input one out. You got this

[south sinew]

It's just a constructor with two inputs

[remote hawk]

oh

lets go i can get solid biofuel now

gotta craft a converter tho

[livid geyser]

You got this dude

[remote hawk]

like a automation for them

[pliant prawn]

...you mean constructor? If you get some sommersloops, you can double your bio

[remote hawk]

i mean automate the biofuel

[livid geyser]

God, first time I figured what they were, oh my goodness

[remote hawk]

production

[open parcel]

yooo

[remote hawk]

i guess semi automate since i still have to put the wood and leaves

[open parcel]

am gonna send a screenshoot

bc i started with some random guys

and you rate the base

[remote hawk]

@livid geyser check dms

[south sinew]

-1 not on foundation

[open parcel]

we just unlocked it

its my first game

[south sinew]

o rly? I thought you got foundation practically right away

maybe I'm misremembering

[open parcel]

nah

and sthe second screenshots

[glass pagoda]

This is your wake up call if you have unlocked every foundation then use the concrete ones to make a skate park and use the designs as graffiti

[livid geyser]

It’s in first tier, second milestone. Base building stuff.

[open parcel]

so guys what do you think of the base

[livid geyser]

Very spaghetti, but it look fine to me.

[open parcel]

no fueal

fuel

damn am so cooked

[livid geyser]

Nah man, it’s part of learning. You’re gonna do awesome once you pick it up.

[open parcel]

time to collect biofuel for the xet 15 minutes

[terse wren]

uummm hi

console peasant here

[livid geyser]

You are not alone.

[terse wren]

yeah

i decided to finially put my engineering degree im working on to good use

[open parcel]

oh i forgot to built the cosmic elevetor

[dapper marten]

Ok so, the wiki has all kind of balancer like 1:1 2:2 3:3 4:4 5:5 6:6 6:7 7:7 8:8 9:9 or 1:n
But there's nothing about different ratio like 4:10(or just 4:5 because then I split in half each line)

[open parcel]

my adhd is gonna pair this game very well (spoiler alert 54 unfishied projets)

mmmmm

[primal obsidian]

gotta troubleshoot my plant i see yellow lights and its been running for like 10 hours

[summer swift]

tried to see a few ways I could do something like this with my current set up and i found a good one
it would just take a while to make look good but once done it would look so good

[honest sleet]

almost ready to start nuclear power up

methinks ima need to cut off the nuclear plant from the main grid while bringing it up, as my main grid blew this morning when the last batteries died

already cut off trains, but still struggling hard

pls send help and as much power as you can spare

[open parcel]

what is like the median age of people playing this game

i see alot of 18+ only games

[honest sleet]

idk

[livid geyser]

I’m mid 30s, and enjoying it

[open parcel]

damn

[open parcel]

am not even half of your age 😅

almost

[honest sleet]

hey guys is it weird that i've only had the game 2 weeks and am already over 200 hours

[remote hawk]

is there a way

to like dump a lot of leaves and logs in a container and then it automatically goes to the constructor with biomass(leaves) and biomass (wood)

[primal obsidian]

yeah

[remote hawk]

how

[primal obsidian]

have 2 containers going into constructors 1 container for biomass from leaves and 1 constructor for biomass from wood

and to sort them just press sort in your inventroy

[fading whale]

Weird? no.
Grounds for concern? Maybe.

[honest sleet]

if u could have one new building added to the game what'd it be? mine would be a fluid vent so i don't have to just store all those byproducts from aluminum production

[fading whale]

Cybertruck that can turn left.

[honest sleet]

bit of a caveat, most of that is me leaving the game running for days straight while i go about my life

[honest sleet]

ooo yea

if it could do that everyone would use it

[primal obsidian]

recycling is good for the environment

[honest sleet]

ooo or pure electric drones

[tired current]

So how many times have people dismantle their factory to design it so it better and more tidy, doing my first restructure now

[honest sleet]

drones are nice

[primal obsidian]

train better

[tired current]

I just got trains

[fading whale]

Lost count 😂

[tired current]

[pliant prawn]

rocket pad for DLC content lol. But really I just want mirrored versions of all buildables

[coarse shadow]

Since when does the Train / Trainstation cost no Computers anymore?

[pliant prawn]

1.0

[fading whale]

@tired current Just wait till you get to the point where you run in to factories on the map you don't remember building. 😃

[coarse shadow]

okay, i was already ready to get some computers for the train

[honest sleet]

ooo or wait a new power source after nuclear: Fusion! needs Fusion fuel, a liquid, and occasionally spits out some slightly radioactive juices, but makes stupid amounts of power for pretty cheap (would need to be in like T9 to be fair, but Ficsit can make space elevators and warp drives, so they ought to be able to make a fusion reactor)

[pliant prawn]

yeah they cut that requirement to makje it easier to go into trains. also same thing with giving drones all fuel types now

[primal obsidian]

my train throughput is not fast enough should i add another train or more freight carts

[nova oriole]

Guys quick question:
I've seen there's a spot on the map with "Gaseous Nitrogen".
Can anyone tell me what's it for and how you get it? I've been wondering for a while

[pliant prawn]

I've loved the Idea of a post game "clean" energy DLC for years, but the gatekeepers all hate free power for any reason so will soon be out to bonk me on the head for saying such lmao

[pliant prawn]

well pressurizers, phase 4 or so.

[honest sleet]

so they hate free power, but add alien tech that just makes power from thin air?

[primal obsidian]

its for a lot of things and you get it with resource well pressurizers in tier 8

[fading whale]

@honest sleet Fusion maybe? 😉
#screenshots message

[honest sleet]

nah that's just a headache

and the sort of thing i'm thinking of would make like a terawatt of power

[pliant prawn]

Now you see the problem haha

[feral geyser]

In fairness, that is still limited, and quite pricey

[fading whale]

Along with that kind of power, steroids for slugs, so we can get beefier power shards. +500%

[honest sleet]

i made one before i got nuclear power

[feral geyser]

So did most of us

[honest sleet]

weeee

[feral geyser]

But you can only ever make a max of 10

So there's that

[honest sleet]

i'm so not looking forward to finishing nuclear fuel production

why is it so frigging harddd

[feral geyser]

I just made rods and sunk them, never burned one in a plant

Not worth it to me

[ripe fable]

Anyone wonder if one day they will add another planet to the game that you can exploit

[honest sleet]

and i can't get within 50 meters of the blender bcus i get cooked bcus hazmat suits are hard

[feral geyser]

Hazmat sits are easy af, what are you on about?

[honest sleet]

why does it require MAM tech to get?

[feral geyser]

It doesn't

It's a milestone

[honest sleet]

where tf do i get filters then

[feral geyser]

It should've unlocked them same time as hazmat suit

[honest sleet]

i need filters tu unlock hazmat

[feral geyser]

Oh

Then I guess just do it

[somber monolith]

If I have a pipe half at 10m half at 11m will it only half fill with a headlift of 10m?

[feral geyser]

It only takes mycelia and fabric and shit

[honest sleet]

where tf do i get myclium from?!

[feral geyser]

Mushrooms

[somber monolith]

Mushroom

[feral geyser]

Logs

Coral balls

[honest sleet]

welp i guess it's chainsaw time

sigh

[feral geyser]

Go to the swamp in the east, ezpz

[somber monolith]

You only need a little then u can make it from resin

Just a couple hundred

[honest sleet]

i have one

exactly one

[feral geyser]

Yes, do that synthetic fabric one to and never gather mycelia again

[somber monolith]

Also more tickets for just a bit of water

[somber monolith]

One to much

[steel kelp]

I dont, but its fun to build bigger projects

Idrk what im gonna do once this is done, but its probably the end of my save once i make everything look pretty

[primal obsidian]

ok

[steel kelp]

Unless i max out all my ficsonium, which would be a huge project as well

[honest sleet]

i'm excited to finish the game so i can make a new factory and make it less utter chaos then my current spaghetti mess

at least i hope

[fading whale]

We should have destructible buildings. Would be so much more satisfactory (tm) to clean up your mess with nobelisks.

[honest sleet]

yessss

and make trains deal damage when hitting things

[somber monolith]

Why is pure iron so stupid it’s not even an even number with max conveyors

[honest sleet]

it's so sad when i just phase through mobs

[fading whale]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858

[primal obsidian]

pure iron is a great recipie idk what your talking about

[somber monolith]

7 iron ore to make 13 it’s so dumb why not make it double

[feral geyser]

Leached is "better" ™

[somber monolith]

Sulphur tho

[feral geyser]

Minor concern

[fading whale]

Want double? Build two 😄

[somber monolith]

Ig but it’s still 240 sulphur per pure node

And sulphur isn’t to plentiful

[primal obsidian]

almost all alts end up like that

[hard stump]

Dimensional storage how tf do I get the thing I put in?

[ornate saffron]

Open you inventory. Look to the right

It also auto uses from the depot for building

[hard stump]

Is there just a way to put it in a storage crate somewhere else? I thought that was the whole purpose?

[ornate saffron]

Not without manually pulling into your inventory first

The point is you don't have to run around to gather items to build machines and foundations with.

[echo belfry]

I have done nothing but play satisfactory for 20 days

[ornate saffron]

This is why I do one save a year lol

[echo belfry]

The environment is to clean. I'll fix that

[ornate saffron]

Exploit and expand

The factory must geow

[hard stump]

Ugh that whole thing and all these videos so misleading seen video after video of people putting items in and having a main storage hub for all there items and that’s where they go said nothing about manual inventory

[ornate saffron]

With Could storage, Item malls are not needed for the average player. I need a item mall because I'm building way more then every necessary.

there is enough mercer spheres to make 3 or 4 depots for every item you need to build with. At end game that is 750/1000 items per minute

[ornate saffron]

I have no self control while playing this game. So i play hard for a month or two, then i refuse to play for at least 6 months

@summer swift Barn Factories are the crabs of satisfactory, its the most versitile form

[gleaming dragon]

uhhh. so my game suddenly turned into a slideshow while i was exploring... what couldve happened there?

[ornate saffron]

@rugged jasper ALL HAIL TICKETS

[ornate saffron]

depends on your PC

my laptop struggles when i blow up rocks and sometimes in dense poison areas

[primal obsidian]

if i add another train to a train line following the exact route will it doulbe my throughput

[echo belfry]

currently im in a man cannon about to go to space and meet the sun personaly

[gleaming dragon]

mine always works fine, but this was like hitting a brick wall. all of a sudden like 15 fps.

restarted the game and all is fine again

[ornate saffron]

the game renders what you can see...... can you see a lot from space? lol

[ornate saffron]

could be a memory leak or something. seems like you got a solution at least

[echo belfry]

the space elivator

the out of map map is huge

[primal obsidian]

might have to build a new copper refinery for my nuclear cause this train doesent have enough throughput to keep up with demand

one thats way closer

[karmic shell]

Hi, one question, I finished phase 2 and already have all the versatile frameworks for phase 3. Is there any other use for them and the rest of the space elevator parts from phase 1 or can I delete my factory for them and save some energy and resource nodes?

[primal obsidian]

all the elevator phases use resources from the last one

[dapper marten]

Still having troubles with the 4:10 balancer😭
The 4:5 solution takes way too much space

[primal obsidian]

you can just disconnnect it from the grid if you need more power

[karmic shell]

So in the last phase I need every part from every phase before that and not only 3 like the past 2 phases?

[fading whale]

If you mean you need low tier Project Parts to make high tier Project Parts, yes.

[primal obsidian]

yeah like versatile framework becomes magnetic field gneerator

and that turns into a part for the last phase im pretty sure

[steel kelp]

You need all the past project parts to make the future ones ye

[tired current]

;-;

[clear aspen]

Hello chat

[karmic shell]

Oh okay, I never used any of the parts for example the smart platings for anything except the space elevator so I thought they aren’t used in any recipes

[clear aspen]

Should I be ping for npp fact?

[primal obsidian]

i think theres one late game space part thats also used for something important but thats super late game

[ornate saffron]

dm'd

[ornate saffron]

Imma dm you

[steel kelp]

It’s smth you use to make a phase 5 project part and is made from a phase 4 one.

[shell lava]

Nice to have 24 diesel generators going 👍

[ornate saffron]

diesel? do you mean coal?

Or regular fuel

[shell lava]

No, I mean fuel powered generators

[ornate saffron]

gotcham seems good ^^

FOR NOW

THE FACTORY MUST GROW!!!

@steel kelp how much power you at?

[shell lava]

True, now I just gotta automate computers and then....

Phase 3 parts....

[ornate saffron]

Wooty woot woot

[dusky aspen]

where do i unlock programmable splitters?

[graceful basalt]

If I have a manifold that requires 525 rods/min, and i only have mk3 belts (270 items/min), would part of the manifold never fill?

[tall lantern]

if the items are all coming in on one belt then yes, you're only bringing in 270/min so of course you can never supply 525/min

(logical solution: split into smaller groups to feed individually)

[whole drum]

It's crazy how many unnecessary issues arise from trying to use a megafactory/bus strat

Not unsolvable, but definitely avoidable

[graceful basalt]

alr thats what i thought. but i also have a nother question. what if i make a manifold that requires 510 rods/min, so 51 constructors, but unlike a manifold where it just goes into one constructor, what if i put a construct on both sides of the constructor (i think its called a double manifold)

[dusky aspen]

guys

[tall lantern]

what I said applies to whatever configuration of machines, you at least need to make sure the belts coming into the manifold can actually supply your target amount. Heck it'd still fail if you had a single machine that needs the 525

[hollow hemlock]

look in the caterium tree in the mam

[tall lantern]

it'd be the same if you had a single machine that wanted 525/min 😛 still limited by that initial input if using only one belt

[dusky aspen]

thanks

[primal obsidian]

should i build my nuclear waste managment plant near nitrogen

[fervent dust]

friends, is the SCIM website down? i can't access it :[

[fervent sand]

loads for me

[fervent dust]

wuhhhh

[fervent sand]

what does it say?

[fervent dust]

connection has timed out

[fervent sand]

and you can connect to other sites just fine?

[fervent dust]

most of them, yeah, although some outliers simply refuse to load

[fervent sand]

hmm… probably reboot your router?

[fervent dust]

lemme try that

[ornate saffron]

You can try a diffrent browser as well.... Chrome, Firefox, edge, safari

[winter fable]

Internet explorer will load it next year

[fervent dust]

sadly naur

[dusky aspen]

#screenshots message is it looking good?

[fluid sapphire]

is there a reason you are not using manifolds?

[shell lava]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1444047946810396692

[dusky aspen]

idk. i just use what i think off

[winter fable]

There is also the input/output setup i saw on youtube

Like a 3:2 ratio i believe, and there were more, basically alot of resources enter and balance everything out and exits the whole setup

[fluid sapphire]

!wikisearch manifold

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[fluid sapphire]

just a bit more compact and cleaner, if you are interested

[dusky aspen]

i know what a manifold is. but thanks

[honest sleet]

lol my game crashed so hard my computer restarted

i don't think it likes me attempting to make nuclear fuel rods

[fluid sapphire]

sounds like hardware instability

[honest sleet]

also the game barely runs on my computer, despite it being on high graphics and still running better than all of my minecraft modpacks

[steel kelp]

When this is all done it will make 900gw and in total like 1.2 mil gw

[winter fable]

Is that enough to get to the last stage?

[fluid sapphire]

its hardcore overkill for simply getting to it

you could finish the game with 5% of that

anyone producing that much power is doing it for the fun of it

[brazen coral]

Is it better to have programmable splitters onto a manifold or are only Smart splitters needed?

Just trying to streamline a couple products and wanting some advice.

[hasty fable]

Nothing smart about a manifold, just cram input and the machines will even out themselves

[past cargo]

Question for Satisfactory players, if you had a discord bot dedicated to the game what would you want it to be able to do?

[whole drum]

What's wrong with regular splitters?

[brazen coral]

Nothing's wrong with regular splitters. I'm just trying to make something for assemblers and that's two plus raw intake

[steep tendon]

Hi guys, I was wondering if you had any good advice on how to make conveyors look good on ramps ?

[whole drum]

Recognize when people ask about train signals and DM them the answer with links, videos, and direct them to #1038092680493801533 if they still don't get it.

[brazen coral]

Already made a blueprint for the Mark II involving six assemblers, eight are possible but it's very tight in that space

[frail sleet]

user mode program cannot do that, you must have had either a bad bug in OS/driver or hardware instability

[hasty fable]

Recipe search

i.e. "/recipe Compacted Coal"

"25/min Coal, 25/min Sulphur = 25/min Compacted Coal"

[past cargo]

Hmmmm, okay. Anything else?

[whole drum]

Honestly, don't like Discord bots much. I even have the wiki one for this blocked, lol. Say no to spam.

[past cargo]

Thats the joy of discord bots, you can make them only talk when told to lol

[whole drum]

Usually involves having to block them, have dedicated bot channels, and sometimes causes user drama etc... just really not a fan.

[past cargo]

Tbh, from the sounds of it for you its sound like you have used some poorly desigined discord bots

[brave horizon]

I have an announcement to make

[past cargo]

I have a few used by 2000+ people

[past cargo]

You have a home now?

[whole drum]

I'm in dozens of Discord servers that all have varying qualities of bots, and I like almost none of them

Even among the "good" ones

[brave horizon]

I blew up Malaysia

[past cargo]

What would it take to make you like one of them, just ONE single bot

Like I could make one that does literally shit all and just sits there

Sounds like it would make you happy as you wouldnt need to socialise with it lol

[whole drum]

But I would rather have none than one that does nothing, lol... I'm trying to think about your question, though--what I would like from one

[past cargo]

Bots are only limited to what is asked of their creators

I have made one for instance which is entirely configurable without leaving discord

Fully interactive

And another for a VR game to make a tomagachi style one

Maybe I get bored too often...

[glass pagoda]

Hello

[whole drum]

I can imagine that for certain games having a bot that can do a quick search for calculation for you could be convenient--but I'm not sure what I would want to see as far as Satisfactory

[glass pagoda]

Then use foundations to make a skate park

[dusky aspen]

#screenshots message iron part of the factory is done

[past cargo]

Like another individual suggested above - I can make a database full of all recipes

[whole drum]

We have a bot that can do that already tho

[past cargo]

I will stick to my motorbiking, I am less dangerous with an engine than without

[whole drum]

!wikisearch Steel Pipe

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Steel+Pipe

[past cargo]

Let me rephrase

One that lays out a step by step on how to make the product

Not a wiki lookup

Thats all that does, an API request

[whole drum]

Then it gets into the spam territory unless it just DMs the user

[past cargo]

Also possible for larger messages

[whole drum]

And we have 3rd party tools that do this extremely well already as well

So that's why I'm not sure what this game would need as far as such a bot

[past cargo]

I was more so thinking something that is useful for discord communites to have for simple quick lookups

[whole drum]

It could be--especially if not intended for this server

Alt recipes put a hangar in the mix tho

[past cargo]

Another thing I can do actually - record what alt recipes users have to be able to provide them the best way to get x y z

[true mulch]

and how do you choose which recipes to choose along the way

that's not a trivial task

[past cargo]

Simple. LOTS OF CODE lol

[whole drum]

It's taking on the work of SF Tools and trying to force it through a chat input/output system lol

[true mulch]

what "lots of code", what's the recipe for heavy oil residue? lol

[charred sandal]

When I see photos of big architecture with large diagonal beams, is that just lots of small beams?

[true mulch]

we used to have recipe breakdowns on the wiki until update 2, which added byproducts and parts with no implicit default recipes

[past cargo]

uhhh, I will be right back with you lol

[past cargo]

Once again though, databases

[whole drum]

Actually, if there was something that facilitated the sorting and finding of multiplayer games, I'm sure plenty of people would appreciate that

[past cargo]

Oooh, thats very possible

[glossy flare]

after killing a bean the ADA said "I liked you better before you did that" LMAO

[past cargo]

lol

Would users like a bot for finding others to play with based on criteria?

[whole drum]

Yeah, she has another line to the effect of "Yet another innocent animal harmed by the human species."

[true mulch]

I made the system that renders recipes on the wiki, I know my stuff

[past cargo]

A rare find, someone who can count to ten! lol

[brazen coral]

Heavy oil residue is only an alternate recipe or you can make it by making rubber or plastic and you get that as a byproduct.

[whole drum]

I can only count to 4!

[glossy flare]

anyone got tips on creating factoies that are far away from materials?

[past cargo]

Doing better than me, I can only count to three

[true mulch]

that's 24, not bad at all

[past cargo]

Choo choo

[whole drum]

Type it into Youtube, lol

[glossy flare]

like where iron is like 1000m away from coal for steel

[past cargo]

Just realised, I am talking to a mocha

[past cargo]

In that case change your bloody location, that is a bit obsurd for steel

I think my steel factory has all resources in like a max of 300m radius

[glossy flare]

not literally just for example

[past cargo]

But yeah, no. Trains

Even simples ones

I have an A-B system for all my plastic and rubber

[glossy flare]

so jsut make a mass storage for each material and bring them to a central location?

[past cargo]

Depends what youre doing, mine is for producing items for Phase 3

[glossy flare]

i wanna make all steel producation in 1 building

[past cargo]

Then make all steel in one building, mine does:
Steel Ingots, Pipes, Beams and Encased Industrial Beams

[glossy flare]

so if i transport iron and coal to a location then make all the productions?

just trying to think of the best efficient way

[past cargo]

Mine personally just has the resources close by

GilgaMocha, if you are a Mocha.. How are you typing?

[whole drum]

Probably would need to be at least some of these criteria:

• Platform
• Creative Mode vs Default vs Modded
• Ideal player experience (approximated in hours, probably, or highest tier progression)
• Dedicated server vs Hosted
• Playstyle (Casual, Beat the Game, Post-Game, etc)

[past cargo]

Mind dming me all those for safe keeping?

[whole drum]

I think going too much beyond that for the criteria might narrow the matchmaking too much, though

The 1st, 2nd, and 4th are likely essential

[past cargo]

How i would do it is by having users make their listing or search for a listing based on x y z and make a central database

Dedicated server? 0/1
Yada yada

[whole drum]

It might be easiest to have the users fill in a standardized template so the bot can easily scrape the listings, or use emojis/roles to help filter certain things (like Platform and game mode)

[past cargo]

Id likely make the bot widely available so multiple servers can use it to find individuals from all over

But yes a standard template would be good

[whole drum]

That seems like the way to make it maximally useful

[past cargo]

Question is would people use it?

[whole drum]

One way to find out 🙂

[past cargo]

Haha, you up for testing?

[whole drum]

I would be interested if we have enough other people too

I love playing SF in mp, but trying to filter through the listings on this server can be quite hit and miss

[past cargo]

Not even played mp yet

[whole drum]

I really enjoy helping new players learn the ropes

[past cargo]

Im a console player so hellllo lol

Thats important too actually, platform!

[whole drum]

Actually, since console is a thing now, I think this server would benefit from having roles based on platform.

[past cargo]

Quick, pester the CMs before we forget!

[scarlet oar]

is there a mod or tweak that lets us change the opacity of the UI, or dim it somehow? that bright white healthbar is a bit much, and I fear for my oled monitor.

[primal obsidian]

will having seperate train stations and trains for each item fix my throughput problem

[whole drum]

Depends on what the problem is

[primal obsidian]

600 sulfur/min needed current rate is 200 and the sulfur is across the map the train has 3 other stations it needs to get through making it a loop around the entire map

multiplayer server so the closest sulfur nodes are already being used for rocket fuel

[sudden flint]

Okay. I'm moving from my starter setups to a new area where I'm gonna set everything up again... and I have no clur how much of anything to actually make...

[primal obsidian]

the most you can off of your resources

[hard ivy]

All of my trains only carry one item each, and all of them have exactly 2 stations on their timetable (except packaged fluid trains, those ofc have 4)

I believe that is the most optimal setup in terms of trains/traffic, though it obviously takes a lot more space and power due to the number of stations required

[white dawn]

Personally I recommend taking the "Independency" approach, as described here: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency | Basically, make it so your factories only ever output to your own "personal" storage (ie: stuff your build gun uses). So like maybe you decide on 8/min Rotors, and you make a small lil' 8/min rotor factory which goes into storage/depot/whatever. Then whenever some other factory needs more rotors, you just make more rotors right inside that new factory

One of the nice things about that approach is that the question of "how much should I make" becomes dead simple, since you're never bothering to "plan for the future"

It's just "how quickly do I want my own personal storage to fill up?"

And if it ever turns out that you misjudged that question, then you can go add some more so that your stash fills up more quickly (or more slowly, whatever).

[primal obsidian]

ok but would having stations adn trains for copper and sulfur (with 5+stacks/min needed for those) and one train and station for the materials i need less of (around 1 stack/min) work

[white dawn]

But you're not trying to just blindly guess at "I wonder how many Rotors I'm going to make over the course of a whole playthrough?", which is in general an impossible question to answer

[solemn fiber]

fr

[white dawn]

It sounds to many folks like that's more work, but if you think about it, mostly you're still making the same amount of factory, in the end. It's just that you're only building some of it now, and then building the rest later

[sudden flint]

so build a personal supply shack for whatever parts you actually use, and then the more complicated machines for space elevators just whatever goal number you want?

[white dawn]

There's varying opinions about how to handle Space Elevator parts. :D Personally I like fully automating SE parts, so I set a time target (like, "I want to finish this SE delivery in 2 hours") so I work out how much production I need for that and then make that factory

Other folks don't bother to fully automate SE parts and instead just kind of hand-feed a single machine or whatever

[sudden flint]

I've gone with that approach for the first phase and part of phase 2

[unkempt blade]

independency = gigafactory where every floor is the components unlocked in each tier of research/MAM tree?

[south sinew]

#screenshots message

but no that's not what is meant

[unkempt blade]

Now that's independency! Well done, pioneer!

[white dawn]

Heh, I do generally follow Independency even when I'm building multiple things in the same building/factory. Like maybe the building outputs a few different products, but internally I nearly always keep the production lines totally separate (apart from node sharing, where appropriate)

Independency doesn't have to mean expanding all over the map. :D

[hard ivy]

Would? Probably. But the idea behind using separate trains and stations for each item is setting them to only depart when empty/full. You can't do that with mixed cargo, and that's the only setting that allows you to approach maximum theoretical throughput. Do you need it? No. But can be very beneficial

[unkempt blade]

megapendency? I feel like we could do better than that name

[white dawn]

"Ask your doctor if Megapendency is right for you!"

[primal obsidian]

this is for nuclear so i probably do need max throughput to make sure the whole thing doesent fail and its nice to have extra so i guess ill set that up

[rigid summit]

I love coming in as a noobie because I get to listen to all the experienced people talk about late game stuff and make you guys look really smart :)

[glad quest]

bro half my factory is rubbish and the other half is the most efficent thing ever

me? sure

sure 1 sec

its in sc

[fading whale]

Me too. But actually it's a can of Coke.

[glad quest]

lol tho i do no decorating and trust me alot of the hidden stuff is not good

hence why its hidden lol

[glad quest]

lol ive got pepsi rn

[fading whale]

The 3'rd picture broke me.

[remote hawk]

WAIT WHAT

[glad quest]

i bring forth the idea of teh cube

[remote hawk]

CONVEIOR BELT MK II NEEDS REINFORCED PLATE

WHAT

its like a lot

how am i even gonna get all of those

[glad quest]

automate

and watch THE BATMAN

or just split it into 2 mk 1

[remote hawk]

but how

[glad quest]

100%

[pine patrol]

that was my reaction lol. Thankfully most of the other belt materials are easier to get and mass produce imo

[glad quest]

assembler u need like 120 ore pm

[pine patrol]

i always skimmed by with barely enough reinforced iron plates

[remote hawk]

are 2 nodes of iron good for only reinforced iron bars?

[pine patrol]

Purityv

[glad quest]

normal or impure

[remote hawk]

like 2 nodes dedicated to that

impure sadly

[pine patrol]

pure exists yk

[glad quest]

yes

[remote hawk]

im new and all of the nodes around my base are impure

[glad quest]

if he had 2 pure he wouldny ask

[glad quest]

grasslands?

[remote hawk]

ye

the first planet

[pine patrol]

same map

[remote hawk]

wait is it THAT bad?

[pine patrol]

Wdym

there is only one map you just play in different regions of it

its fuckin HUGE

[remote hawk]

holy fuck

soo am i fine with 2 impure or do i need to look around

[sullen gull]

Look around 😏

[remote hawk]

holy

[glad quest]

erm

[pine patrol]

depends in how many you want and your alternates but where i think your at id suggest finding a few normal nodes

[remote hawk]

soo im gonna have to route all of the mk I conveiors near me

[sullen gull]

Or build near the node(s)

[glad quest]

check sc

[coarse shadow]

why are the rails not connecting when i build the blueprint?

[pine patrol]

i wouldnt

[fading whale]

You will need a lot more 😄
But all in due time. Don't rush yourself or the game can easily overwhelm you.
Best way to help yourself early on is to EXPECT that whatever you build is not permanent. And make room for expansion.

[reef basin]

impure are fine

[glad quest]

i sent how to build 10 reinfoced pm

[remote hawk]

wait but is it fine that i use impure for like the rods the plates and the screws?

[pine patrol]

i thought you meant like them map 😭

[glad quest]

yeah just divide the sc in 2

[fading whale]

Can you show your blueprint?

[remote hawk]

??

[pine patrol]

i hate screws 😔

[coarse shadow]

i downloaded it from satisfactory calculator

[sullen gull]

Why?

[glad quest]

check screenshots

[hard ivy]

they deserve it

[pine patrol]

you need too many early recipe is expensive and make too little AND they clog up conveyors

[fading whale]

Doesn't say much 🙂
But could be as simple as you haven't selected "auto-connect" build mode.

On PC default key is "R" once you have the blueprint infront of you.

[reef basin]

ignore the purity, it's irrelevant.

calculate how much ore you need per minute, then build near nodes that can make that much.

[remote hawk]

yea soo if i have to look around its like 500m and i have no transportation method

[remote hawk]

but how is it so

[reef basin]

how is what so?

[hard ivy]

you have belts

[glad quest]

wait lemme show u how

[coarse shadow]

the bp is in ur dms, but i had auto connect selected and it still nothing

[remote hawk]

that impurity its irrelevant

[reef basin]

what is relevant is how much ore per minute you need for given factory

whether it comes from impure or pure node doesn't matter

[pine patrol]

okay uh purity is relevant but i think what they mean is it wont effect anything except for the output of one drill

[reef basin]

it's irrelevant for the factory

[pine patrol]

yup its just easier to use a higher purity

[reef basin]

it's pointless to limit yourself to higher purities

you're still using part of the total world output

[pine patrol]

early game it doesnt matter as much mid game i can see that as its more of a pain to take it back to your factory same with lategame but its easier as you probably have bus’s set up by then

[remote hawk]

bus's?

[pine patrol]

belt bus

[remote hawk]

wtf is this game gonna become

[glad quest]

lol

[pine patrol]

just means belts running together

[fading whale]

Your whole existence 😄

[reef basin]

busses are horrible in this game

wouldn't recommend them

[sullen gull]

An attack on the OCD and ADD of the players 🤣

[pine patrol]

why?

[reef basin]

because busses are great with variable input or variable output. Neither of those we have in Satisfactory

SF's approach to factories is "they run 24/7 with fixed input and fixed output"

[sullen gull]

Because, like everyone else it seems, they have their own reasons for things. Even from those who haven't played in a number of years. 🤷‍♂️

[glad quest]

i like it

not even spaghetti

[pine patrol]

i think bus’s are fine i just havent used them as i dont build megafactorys like that that need them

bigger than the one i beat the game with from the looks of it

[reef basin]

why would you go the extra step to build a bus if you can just hook the factory to the amount of resources it needs?

[vague creek]

They are quite efficient esp combined with mk.6 belts and blueprints

[sullen gull]

According to some here, you probably aren't using a "real" bus 🤷‍♂️

[glad quest]

bro ikr i made a starter base in a 8x8 area suffice to say it got messy QUICK and that was only phase 1

[pine patrol]

the amount of resources it needs can sometimes NEED a bus or other form of transportation

[rigid summit]

Mines tiny I’m I’ve only just completed the onboarding process lol

[pine patrol]

yeah i underbuilt a lot

[reef basin]

bus isn't a form of transportation though (in factory games)

[glad quest]

with enough concrete everything is possible

[dapper marten]

Any Italians lol?

[pine patrol]

Belt bus’s i just said

[rigid summit]

I’m not Italian but I’m getting pizza on Sunday for dinner :)

[sullen gull]

In before the definition of a "real" bus 🙄

[reef basin]

belt bus is when you have belts with items, split items to factories and merge back products

[pine patrol]

as in a line of belts lines up and stacked think 3 wide 3 tall would be a belt bus (small but still what i call a bus)

[glad quest]

ME

[reef basin]

that's just stacked belts, that's not a bus 😉

[sudden flint]

#screenshots message Well this is a hell of a message to see in tier 4

[pine patrol]

fr?😭

[dapper marten]

Prove it lol

[reef basin]

yeah

[rigid summit]

I’m bri’ish 🤣

[wicked nacelle]

Yes that’s a bus. Everyone knows what you mean

[glad quest]

no

[pine patrol]

now im confused

[sudden flint]

A bus is one massive set of belts that carry all of a factory and/or world's one supply

[pine patrol]

conflicting arguements …

[sullen gull]

See? 😛

[reef basin]

a bus is e.g. this https://preview.redd.it/main-bus-design-v0-kg59g0r6388e1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c119b846916adcedc98d908719b429eedf504c9b

[wicked nacelle]

Some people require others to use their very narrow definitions.

[reef basin]

basically you run belts with items and split from them to factories around and merge back products

[glad quest]

"bus" lots of belts going somewhere usually quite far and on 1 tile

[pine patrol]

ima stick with my 3x3 and bigger being a belt bus 👍

[reef basin]

well what a "bus" is in factory games is pretty well defined, as it is based on computer bus. The term is used over all the games. Some people in Satisfactory feel that it isn't enough and decided to confuse everyone with making their own definition 🤷

"officially", bus is a logistical method (distributes resources between machines), not transportation (transports from A to B)

[vague creek]

officially lol

[sullen gull]

Yeah, was wondering where that comes from myself 😏

[wicked nacelle]

Bus: a distinct set of conductors carrying data and control signals within a computer system, to which pieces of equipment may be connected in parallel.

What you’re doing is easily close enough to this definition to make the use of the word completely fine

[reef basin]

well be prepared for more people being confused or recommending you to not do a bus then 🤷

but tbh I'd just stick to what is normally used (see also "batteries vs power storages" or "extractors vs pumps"). Calling things the proper names helps everyone

[wicked nacelle]

They are not “proper names” they’re just your names.

[reef basin]

https://wiki.factorio.com/tutorial:main_bus

[vague creek]

words have usages not intrinsic meaning.

[sullen gull]

The ONLY ones in here that argue the definition is you and your buddy. And factorio is not Satisfactory smh

[reef basin]

well what a "bus" is in factory games is pretty well defined

[sullen gull]

Anytime anyone says "bus" the meaning is clear. Again, just being pedantic 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

except it's not

[sullen gull]

To you

[reef basin]

to people

[sullen gull]

Lol, mmmk 👍

[pine patrol]

greeny just seems to be picky that not everyones bus is exactly what he calls a bus

[sullen gull]

Just overall "picky" imo

[reef basin]

it's more that the only two people that are bothered by this are in this chat now, and the people who say the same things as I do aren't here now 🤷

[vague creek]

Looking at what Nilaus did, I don't know why bus isn't close enough

[wicked nacelle]

It’s not just this term. It’s many.

[pine patrol]

mmmmmm

[sullen gull]

"A conveyor bus is a type of conveyor system designed to transport materials or products along a predetermined path, often used in manufacturing and distribution settings. It typically consists of a series of interconnected conveyor lines that allow for efficient movement and sorting of items within a facility"

[reef basin]

within a facility
oh geez

[vague creek]

so is a bus megabase not "a facility"?

[reef basin]

they are trying to argue that two belts going from nodes to a factory are a bus. it's not about megabase (though yeah, megabase can definitely be built based on a bus, I just wouldn't recommend neither megabasing, nor making a bus 😄 )

[hard ivy]

a megabase based on a bus sounds like a nightmare

[reef basin]

apparently we need a different word for "belts"

[vague creek]

I've done it, it was stupid effective and stupid easy.

[sullen gull]

But, were you using a "real" [conveyor] bus!?! 😏

[vague creek]

It had a couple downsides not related to function though

[pine patrol]

who is trying to argue that??

[reef basin]

the two people who are telling you how horrible I am 😛

[pine patrol]

oh boy this mart spark it again but. A bus is belts lined up gernerally stack ontop of eachother the definition varies from person to person but my lower limit of a belt bus is 3 by 3 (3 tall 3 wide)

[hard ivy]

Probably not lol

[wicked nacelle]

Can we just agree to disagree and move on please. This is EXACTLY what that saying exists for.

[reef basin]

what is distinct between "a few belts" and "a bus" is that stacked belts are used to move things from A to B, while a bus is used to distribute items between machines and have items available at hand when building new machines. So two different goals of those - one moves items, other one does logistics within a factory

[pine patrol]

just to clarify this has been picked and argued about for a while to anyone reading this

[pine patrol]

Trying to get at that some people think its not that or its different etc

including myself

[median geyser]

So Ive looked at the wiki page for the power switch, but it doesnt have much information on the priority tab. How do I make it so that if my power consumption were to ever spike and trip my generators to offline, the battery bank I have kicks in and keeps things running while I panic and then troubleshoot?

[tall lantern]

just plug it into the grid, it'll automatically kick in sorry read power storage

[median geyser]

See to me, this sounds like "the difference between A and B is how far into the game you are", because factory logistics is just moving items efficiently

[wicked nacelle]

That’s what power storage does by default. You don’t have to do anything

[median geyser]

Oh nice, I thought I had to have some shenanigans with the priority system 😂 Thanks

[tall lantern]

priority power switches trip in priority order to separate grids

[median geyser]

Aaaah I can see how that might be useful

[reef basin]

all factory games that were here before SF (and even SF at the beginning) used the term "bus" for what I described above. Then someone decided that the term with distinct enough meaning needs to be generalised, because saying "belts" apparently isn't enough and it needs a special term, and ideally some that's already used

[tall lantern]

but yeah for simple power backup, just slap 'em all on

[median geyser]

Esp since Im about to look into nuclear soon, so having my waste management on a seperate switch that never dies sounds great

[wicked nacelle]

Power switches are worthless in this game except for having some offline charged power storage behind a smart switch so if you burn through your online power storage without realizing it you can flick on the offline charged storage from anywhere

[reef basin]

a bus isn't to move items from A to B. It's so that e.g. "any machine needing modular frames just takes it from modular frame belt, and any machine making modular frames puts it on modular frame belt"

[median geyser]

...just make a bigger storage?

[wicked nacelle]

But that probably needs power to get the stuff it needs to process it. Backed up waste is fine because you can always just make a couple storage containers to fix it temporarily. Then when you get it fixed you can work through your backlog. Always have more processing capability than production so you can deal with it

[wicked nacelle]

It’s not always obvious when you hit power storage or if you step away or something. So some offline is useful.

[pine patrol]

language evolves

[hard ivy]

yeah, idk what it is about the satisfactory community, but there's a lot of people coming up with new names for things that had a name and a well defined definition before satisfactory was made

[median geyser]

And where did the modular frames come from? Location A. And where did they go? Locations B though Z, and further, as per your needs. Moving from A to B, just efficiently or with purpose 🤷 I see no distinction besides progression through the game

[reef basin]

I definitely agree with that. But it's not that everyone in the community uses that word that way. It's just a small subset of people. If everyone used it differently, I wouldn't mind

[glad quest]

pretty sure it came from factorio

[tall lantern]

in a lot of setups they don't really go to multiple places. Independency keeps production lines relatively self-contained

[glad quest]

or that one game where u use minecarts

[hard ivy]

if everyone uses a different definition than people used to use years ago, language evolved. if you're using a different definition that most people currently use, you're just wrong

[median geyser]

Indeed, but we are talking about centralized busses, so in that context, your point would render this entire debate a moot point and makes no sense

[sullen gull]

"Small subset" ... yet through searching the community (Reddit, youtube, and here) everyone else seems to get along just fine when knowing what is being talked about when someone references a "bus" 🤷‍♂️

[wicked nacelle]

The definition of a bus is long standing. Some specific thing that must be called a bus in a factory game is the new definition. It’s the new definition being considered the only definition that’s the problem.

[reef basin]

in it's "ideal" form, a "bus" would be a giant box of items, from which you take what you need and put into it what you make. A single connection point where everything goes in and is available for every other consumer

we can't do exactly that in SF, so we need to use one-directional belt to do that.

The difference is about function, they are both "belts" in the end

[reef basin]

except when I search on reddit for a "bus", I get tons of images of what bus is, and very rarely I get stacked belts

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-yeah-gif-815126498296623781

[reef basin]

I mean the reference image for a bus I posted above was found exactly that

[wicked nacelle]

It’s these tiny cliques redefining words and then being militant about their context that’s the problem

[reef basin]

yeah, exactly

[median geyser]

Right, and thats my point. Now I admit, Im fairly new to factory games, I came here from Factorio and much prefer the 3D aspect of building and infinite nodes, and only briefly explored the concept of busses in factorio, but my understanding is that busses are the centralized line where all your resources go in, and you can pull from any time to feed new systems as needed. In that sense, you are moving from A) the production point, to B) the point of consumption, via the bus.

[pine patrol]

probably because that kind of bus is more impressive than a practical one

[wicked nacelle]

It’s an echo chamber that makes people think that their definition is much more mainstream than it is and that “everyone” agrees. Because look what happens if you don’t. It’s happening right now

[reef basin]

the point is that you're not moving item directly from A to B. A makes the item and puts it on a centralised location (f.e. a belt), from where B can pull it. But the centralised thing isn't just to transport from A to B. It's to transport from any producer to any consumer.

[median geyser]

And if I drive from my house to mcdonalds via a road instead of in a straight line through my neighbors house, I am still driving there. You were just arguing above that niche definition was an issue, but here you are subsetting the definition of moving items and moving items in such a way?

Im just here for the debate btw, I have no horse in the actual belt vs bus race, I just saw a logical inconsistency and decided to have fun 😂

[reef basin]

and in your example, the road is indeed kind-of a bus. It allows connection from anywhere to anywhere.

While f.e. a ski lift, that wouldn't be a bus, as you go from A to B

[median geyser]

But both are just moving people. Its just a question of direction. Straight line vs scenic route

[reef basin]

(it's a weird example, but the idea behind it is kind of there)

[reef basin]

oh I never said that bus doesn't move items 🤷

[tall lantern]

surely the bus would be more "driving to mcdonalds via neighbour's house, dropped off my dog there and picked up their son, dumped him at the park on the way but picked up a stray cat

[reef basin]

but it's not about direction or anything like that

[median geyser]

Belts vs Busses, as per your definition, are just moving items. One goes from source to consumption directly, and one goes to a central line so you can come back later. Just different ways of moving items

[median geyser]

It'd be more like a 9-lane super highway with 6 exits and 2 on ramps at each junction

[reef basin]

bus would actually be more like "I'm taking the bus to mcdonnalds" 🙂

the bus is a bus ( 🙂 ) which allows people to get in and get out anywhere (people being the items).

[vague creek]

I'll propose a simplification. The bus is the usage of belts reddit has an immediate negative reaction to lol

[median geyser]

^I agree

[reef basin]

not really, one is from moving items from A to B, the other is for logistical distribution within a factory

[vague creek]

I've never een reddit call raw resources a bus

[median geyser]

Right, now remove the jargon, and what is logistical distribution?

[hard ivy]

a bus isn't exactly focused on transporting items. it's for making items available for any production line

[vague creek]

well maybe not never, but rarely

[reef basin]

having a centralised point to take ingredients from and putting products to

[median geyser]

But ultimately, as soon as you connect a line to it, it moves items. You make items available in other places purely by moving them, theres no other way. Whether you do a bus, a train, by hand, or the dreaded trucks, at its core, its all moving items. Thats my point

[hard ivy]

you could theoretically do a bus without moving items 🤷‍♂️

[pine patrol]

im done id rather not argue about this

[reef basin]

well sure, but if you build a centralised point to take ingredients from and putting products to, you built a bus
if you built belts to move raw resources from nodes to your factory, you built (possibly) stacked belts

[bitter dirge]

hii

[median geyser]

A "bus" of belts moves items. I dont care what your argument is for purpose, moving A to B, or "Logistical Distribution" (I paid university fees to say moving things in a fancy way), item go from place to place along belt.

[bitter dirge]

o ty

[median geyser]

At which point you would have what? Rows of conveyor holders?

[limpid hazel]

you could all be learning to speak croatian right now

[bitter dirge]

the game has me addicted already help

[reef basin]

if it's a centralised point to take ingredients from and putting products to, then yes, it's a bus

otherwise it's not "a bus of belts", it's "stacked belts"

[median geyser]

So what youre saying now is that it's not about item distribution, its about item storage. Because what you just described is also called a central storage.

So now we've gone from a bus being about item distribution, which is moving items to where they need to be allocated, to a centralized item storage with which to draw from

[bitter dirge]

😭 lol

[median geyser]

Im not trying to discredit you, just observing the evolution of the debate to make sure Ive followed

"Its a centralized point to keep items until you need them" is by definition item storage

tf you mean no lmao

[hard ivy]

because it's not "keeping them there until you need them"

[median geyser]

But it is

Either it keeps them there, on the belts, until you hook them to a machine

Or it is already hooked to a machine, and it is moving items

[reef basin]

I always said this, even said above that in ideal case a "bus" would be a box to take from/put into (e.g. in Factorio you can do that with a chest, or anything with an inventory). We just can't do that in SF, so we have to use belts

[hard ivy]

it doesn't even need to have an inventory tbh. just an ability to distribute items

[median geyser]

Cool, so now we have an agreed foundation to stand on. Ultimately, at its simplest, a bus is a form of storage. A unique one, but storage none the less

[median geyser]

The items on the bus are the inventory. Constantly changing as they might be

[hard ivy]

it doesn't need an inventory. you could just as well be teleporting items from any viable source to any viable destination

[vague creek]

quantum bus? lol

[median geyser]

If items teleport instantly from A to B there is nothing between the locations, the bus does not exist

so that makes no sense

[reef basin]

as an example:

I have machines making e.g. wire. I can hook machine making wire directly to next machine that needs wire (direct input, not a bus). I can also merge machines making wire in one processing line and run them to another set of machines that consume the wire for that same processing line (manifolds/balancers, not a bus).

OR I can take all processing lines, take all machines that make wires across all those lines, and put their product onto a bus. Then take all the processing lines that have steps that need wire, and hook all those to the bus to take the wire from.

[vague creek]

the factory is non local

[reef basin]

the thing that allows teleportation from A to B is the bus

[zinc heath]

This is the autism I joined this discord for

[glad quest]

i may be autistic but i have no life aswell

[sullen gull]

Fyi, just want to point out that this is also stemming from "FACTORIO's" definition of a "MAIN BUS" ... and yet it's been established that A, this isn't factorio, and B, the term "bus" (not MAIN BUS) is well understood and has it's own definition amongst the community.

[hard ivy]

well, it needs to allow teleprortation from A, B, C, ... to X, Y, Z, ... Just A to B is not a bus

[reef basin]

yeah ofc

[limpid hazel]

tell that to electronics engineers

[glad quest]

lol

we got bus driver logic vs computer science bus logic

[median geyser]

See this amuses me because I have two people giving two different points.

On the one hand, I have Greeny saying a bus is the item storage between locations, in theory an ultimate imaginary cube where all items are fed in and can be drawn from at will, but in practice a central arrangement of belts feeding items from A to B

On the other, I have Kyo arguing that a bus doesnt even need to have storage at all, it is simply the route from A to B, the paths in which the items move, or in practice, again, the belts.

So removing all the theoretical impossible perfections from both your statements, you get... belts. A bus is just a bunch of belts. Moving items from A to B. Its all just moving items 😂 Thats been my point. You can argue semantics of perfect theoreticals and such until you are all blue in the face, but those dont matter because they can never be real. Once you boil down "what cant be done in this game", you get... belts. Many belts, moving items

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't call it a bus bar if it connected just 2 tiungs

[reef basin]

I didn't say it's a storage

[pine patrol]

you can. Storage crates

[glad quest]

pretty sure i said that like 20 mins ago

[reef basin]

I said it's possible to build like that in Factorio using storage crates

maybe this will help:

the definition in factory games comes from how computers share data - there's a "bus" (in a computer that's a wire or whatever), things can read data from the bus, they can send data to the bus.

The point is that when you're reading data, you don't care where it came from, it's there, available for you. If you're sending the data, you don't care where it goes, it's there available for others that may be interested in it.

The same goes for SF - you make resources and send them to the bus. They may back up, they may be used, you don't care. And other machines take items from the bus, and just hope there will be items on it they need

[median geyser]

#satisfactory message

[pine patrol]

You also can just chain it. Its a pain still possible

[median geyser]

#satisfactory message

[reef basin]

"main bus" is just a bus that's in your main base. And the term was indeed used in SF based on Factorio, I know SF isn't factorio (duh), but the term was used like that from the start.

[glad quest]

bruvs aint a belt bus the same as a belt "highway" or "motorway" (Correct way to say it)

[median geyser]

The thing you are defining is an ultimate, infinite, storage. A place where all items can be put and taken from as needed

[limpid hazel]

electronics engineers not electricians

[hard ivy]

electronics have bus bars too

[sullen gull]

And SF developed it's own term to describe what you're referring "Suhsi belts"

[reef basin]

not really. The item doesn't need to be stored, it just needs to be able to reach any other consumer

if the storage had 0 size, it would work just as well

[glad quest]

how can a bus have storage

[median geyser]

And so, by shaving off all the theoretical perfections and bullshit, you get... belts

[glad quest]

its a fucking wire

[median geyser]

Thats my whole point lmao. Stop trying to overcomplicate it

[reef basin]

again, I know that you're just building belts
we all know that
yes, it's all built out of belts

but the point of having a definition for "bus" is how you build your belts

[glad quest]

in a straight line

[median geyser]

A bus, in satisfactory, is a belt. Or a collection of belts, depending on your arrangement. Both sides of this argument boil down to "its a way of moving items from A to B"... so a belt bus is just belts

[sullen gull]

Curved = life ! 🤣

[reef basin]

lol no

[glad quest]

no

[median geyser]

greeny buddy im sorry but you have no leg left to stand on

[reef basin]

if you want to generalise like that, it's "belts built with specific purpose"

[median geyser]

Which are all belts

[limpid hazel]

they also have the 1 to 1 (or many depending on protocol) communication bus composed of parallel traces which is where factorio players got the term because they look the same

[median geyser]

Nobody is just building lines of belts off into the void

[hard ivy]

imma be honest but I would say that about you, not greeny

[reef basin]

but I'm talking about one specific purpose

[glad quest]

welll i may of done

[median geyser]

Even if the path is a twisted spaghetti mess, its a path. And if they align, thats great

[sullen gull]

Yiiis #screenshots message 😏

[median geyser]

But ultimately, youre moving items with a purpose, from A to B

[reef basin]

that's the beauty of a bus, it doens't move things from A to B 🙂

[median geyser]

See that amuses me greatly and shows me that you are unwilling to consider a different view than your own, and so we are stuck

[glad quest]

holy peak

[merry granite]

are we arguing about what is a belt and what is a bus

[glad quest]

if it doesnt then u dont have a bus

u have a break down hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

[glad quest]

what a bus is (Collection of belts going in a direction)

[reef basin]

that's just stacked belts, not a bus

[ocean frost]

That's what a bus is

[glad quest]

thats what im saying

[glad quest]

send a sc of a bus then

[sullen gull]

Careful,.,, not according to the "official" definition (factorio's)

[reef basin]

https://preview.redd.it/main-bus-design-v0-kg59g0r6388e1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c119b846916adcedc98d908719b429eedf504c9b

[ocean frost]

You mean the main bus

[reef basin]

main bus is just bus in your main base

[sullen gull]

Sure. Never played for more than 20 minutes

[merry granite]

from wikipedia, a bus is a shared physical pathway, so in essence i think a grouping of belts that share the same pathway to their destination is a bus

like how a real bus, everyone sits on the same bus to get to the same place

[open swallow]

god that's so inefficient

[reef basin]

not really, since the destination (even in a computer bus) isn't shared

[reef basin]

it is, hence why we don't recommend it

[limpid hazel]

it depends on the communication protocol

some are 1 to 1, some are addressable

[open swallow]

I have a minibus in my megabase, but it's really just a way I'm wrangling spaghetti

[reef basin]

well, everyone goes to a different place. People go in and out of the bus along the route. So no shared destination

[glad quest]

insane but thats not a bus

thats a floor

[south sinew]

depends on what you're trying to be efficient about

[ocean frost]

The goal is to have everything you need in one place

[south sinew]

main bus may not be resource efficient but it's very player time efficient

[limpid hazel]

but factorio people named them busses because they look like circuit traces. circuit traces for higher level structures referred to as busses.

[merry granite]

your right, I guess it would be better to say a shared route, to make it easier to facilitate maintenance along this route, whatever comparison you want to make with that

[hard ivy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_network

[merry granite]

I suppose a bus could be one conveyor then, or many

[ocean frost]

It is a more complex game.

[open swallow]

my bus network is StarMetro

[limpid hazel]

is it really a megabase if you don't have internal trains?

[reef basin]

exactly. Which is why belt going from node to factory isn't a bus. neither is multiple belts going from nodes to factory

the key difference is the "taking from a bus and putting things on a bus"

[sullen gull]

Nah, just oogly comparatively 🤣

[ocean frost]

The issue is people are just arguing over personal preference at this point

[glad quest]

guys ive found a fix a bus is a thing with 4 wheel thats red and drives u around

and smells of piss and vomit

[barren arch]

can you not use fractions in satisfactory tools?