satisfactory

[uncut coyote]

I'm gonna have to shut down the rig aren't I?

I'm gonna take that as a yes 😭

[hard ivy]

I'm questioning why you're even training fuel

[uncut coyote]

Because I complicate everything 😂

But being fr, I use the oil residue from making plastic to make fuel, then I load it onto a train to take it to my expeditionary base to fuel my truck

Since my base is in the best location for my use, I find it not that bad :p

(Plus, I don't wanna belt it from the rig to my base)

[umbral sleet]

Pipes are painful right now, hopefully they fix it in 1.2

[glad quest]

i just dont like their look

[umbral sleet]

Ah

[glad quest]

they work well enough

[spring root]

can i place a recipe in an assembler then copy that to other assemblers without replacing said assemblers

[uncut coyote]

Yeah, ctrl+c, then ctrl+v on the other assembler

[glad quest]

yes

[spring root]

wow i wish i knew that earlier

[uncut coyote]

You NEED to have the UI for them open tho

[spring root]

really? i just did it

without opening the ui

[uncut coyote]

W H A T

[whole drum]

You only need to have the building highlighted

[glad quest]

yh dont need to open the ui

[uncut coyote]

The more you know

[whole drum]

In fact, if you're drifting (from hoverpack) when you open the UI and your cursor drifts off the building highlight, the copy/paste won't work.

[glad quest]

also when flying your reach increases

[abstract heron]

after building 252 por 250 nuclear fuel reactors my memory is at 139k uboject wise

WOW! 😛

[pliant prawn]

ohhhh math errors and me being dumb. yaaay. fun fact, pure water wells only make 300, not 600.

[thorny prawn]

Why do they have plastic and stuff, but they have the objective build space elevator? https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1443250038447800371

[pliant prawn]

either they are on some creative mode or they took down their elevator, it then prompts to build it again

[thorny prawn]

ok thanks

[zenith pecan]

The latter tends to be likely, I have frequently moved the elevator when i think I've had a better idea.

[scarlet gate]

Is someone experiencing bug, that change your selected shortcuts?
Sometimes game lags and after that all my hotbar shortcuts reseted to belt 3 time. All shortcuts on all hotbars.

[quick hound]

The game is telling you that you should use belts more

[glad quest]

guys why am i not getting enough nitrogen if i need 450 am making 450 and am using mk 2 pipes

[quick hound]

Because demand is overpowering the supply.

[glad quest]

but they r the same

ok for some reason teh connected pipes werent transfering between tehm lmfao

[quick hound]

You have no wiggle room for it.

[quick hound]

smh.

[glad quest]

imma wiggle them 🤯 🤑

[quick hound]

get out.

gilga didn’t give me my coffee so now I’m ANGRYYUUYY

[coarse path]

yo

[glad quest]

yo

[coarse path]

is anyone maybe up to help me with thermal propultion rocket factory

[glad quest]

nope sorry

[coarse path]

shi

because tiss gonna be my first megafactory

[glad quest]

what u need help with

[coarse path]

factory for thermal propultion rockets

[glad quest]

no i meant what part lmfao 🗿

[coarse path]

@glad quest bro your fuel generator is insane

[glad quest]

lol

[coarse path]

i only have 12 fuel generators cuz im new

[quick hound]

Console?

[coarse path]

pc

started a month ago

[white dawn]

Semantics nitpick: "megafactory" really means "producing all your items in one huge factory," not just a big factory.

[glad quest]

my first tip would be make more POWA

POWAAAHHHHH - jeremy clarkson

[fallow vector]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-power-gif-11143478

[quick hound]

Sho you shee mistar powarrs

[coarse path]

ill make my factory first, and if i dont have enough power for that ill upgrade it

[quick hound]

I LOVE GOOOOOOOOLD

[fallow vector]

ah man... no gifs here

[fluid sapphire]

and there are as many opinions as to what a big factory is as there are people holding those opinions

[glad quest]

you wont lol ur making what 3k mw

my coal power plant was larger lol

[coarse path]

5k rn

and a somersloop generator

[quick hound]

I’m going to make an omega factory where it produces far too many concrete. Just concrete.

[coarse path]

but i probably need to make more when im donee with my biggest factory yet

[quick hound]

A giant ass factory would be so funny to have just a single thing making concrete

[glad quest]

I LOVE CONCRETE

[hard ivy]

Another nitpick (units this time) 3k mw is not a thing that exists, for 2 different reasons

[glad quest]

yeah 100%

[dry sonnet]

why wasnt satisfactory on black friday sale this year?

[glad quest]

3gw is the same as 3kmw

[fluid sapphire]

ahhh-haa, i knew there were some memory leaks with auto-connect, that explains the super frequent crashing when i was building an unreasonably large amount of belts in my aluminum factory

[hard ivy]

Not how units work, no. 2 prefixes on the same unit are not allowed. And "gw" doesn't exist either (GW does)

[quick hound]

hey what would happen if I licked a power pole AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[fluid sapphire]

ok, i think the capitalization gets a bit pedantic frfr

[glad quest]

🤓 🦧 erm actwaually

[glad quest]

u become electro

[hard ivy]

The difference between mW and MW is 9 orders of magnitude. So I'd say it matters at least a bit

[quick hound]

no I become Ralph wiggum

The spicy noodle hurt me :>

[fluid sapphire]

i mean in the context of the game there isnt anyone using all 3 of mW, MW, and mw

[honest sleet]

just unlocked tiers 7 and 8, working on Aluminum rn

[quick hound]

Oh, hey Kyo! How are you?

[coarse path]

guys

check ss rq

[hard ivy]

Take a photo using photo mode?

[plucky flower]

Noo just use ur phone to screenshot ur laptop

[coarse path]

when i press T to remove the menu my cursor is still here

[plucky flower]

Its way better than wasting time to use screenshot applications

[hard ivy]

Press "take photo" button

Not screenshot via steam or whatever

[coarse path]

thats not the problem

check ss again

[fluid sapphire]

i notice this happens if you dont decouple the camera first, you press P, then R, then T, should be OK

[coarse path]

oh thank you

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys my tractors head a deadlock. And when arrived they fixed themselves.

I think the wobbly bois just missed me lol.

[glad quest]

lol

[coarse path]

bro

while making my factory my power plant fucking died

im worried

[warm dew]

Does anyone happen to have an updated alternative recipe list or something similar so I didn't pass up good ones for crap ones

[white dawn]

Those "tier lists" are very misleading. There are some recipes which enjoy a general consensus of being "good" and some with a general consensus of being "bad," but those are rare (and have plenty of folks who disagree)

Alt recipes are just there to give you options while building. They all have tradeoffs -- resource X versus resource Y, resource consumption versus complexity/power, etc

And it's difficult-to-impossible to compare recipes in isolation; what's far more important is the whole recipe chan you're using in a factory

My advice is to not sweat it -- there are more hard drives in the game than you can even use. If you keep up with your exploration, you'll unlock all recipes and have drives to spare

[warm dew]

Yeah I was just hoping for a good generalized list.

[white dawn]

Any such list is highly subjective, is the point. IMO just flip a coin and go find more drives. :)

[glad quest]

i did say

[coarse path]

i didnt even connect my factory to my power plant yet

[warm dew]

I have 71 recipes but didn't wanna pick a bad one for an obviously better one. I heard diluted fuel is really good but I passed it on my third roll

[coarse path]

it just died after a while of me being afk

[glad quest]

huh its hand fed?

or u have gotten a back up

[coarse path]

what?

its a normal fuel generator power plant but after a while of doing stuff i come back to everything being dead and not starting up

[white dawn]

Again: don't sweat it. Just go find more drives; you'll get them all

[coarse path]

half of my generators dont have fuel, the other half us full of fuel

[glad quest]

so imma guess that poliner resin has backed up

[white dawn]

Diluted Fuel is, indeed, part of the most-oil-efficient petrochemical loops, but whatever you chose instead might've been more immediately useful to you anyway

[glad quest]

oh build like 2w430895435674648750675406450684578065 storage for fuel

then wait for them to fill

[white dawn]

Alt recipe choices really aren't worth stressing about. You'll get 'em all, and each one you have gives you options while building factories

[glad quest]

theres a mod to give all if u get stressed by it

[warm dew]

@glad quest on PS with this factory

[hard ivy]

The only one I'd consider even remotely useful is the Community Ranker. But the issue is that there's no explanation for why a recipe is placed as it is. And some are pretty questionable

[coarse path]

i found it

[glad quest]

oh

[coarse path]

why only the exact half is broken

[glad quest]

y?

[coarse path]

i got 2 apart plants next to eachover

[warm dew]

@hard ivy where would I find that??

[coarse path]

6 generators with 2 oil things, and another 6 geenrators with 2 oil diggers

[hard ivy]

Can't send a link because the bot deletes it XD

Search for satisfactory recipe ranker or something and you'll find it

[coarse path]

one of them has the blue stuff overflown😥

[umbral flame]

how do i go left on the hyper tube splitter, because i have a cannon with 4 enterances and a loop to reuse them with the turn thing, but it always makes me go through it like 50 times before i actually leave the loop, ive pressed every button i can think of

[wicked nacelle]

You don’t have to pick a recipe until you want to use it. And if you want to use it then it can’t be bad. So just sit on recipe selections and don’t worry about it. Just research hard drives and then close the window when it asks you to pick.

[muted harbor]

Hello! Does anyone know anyone who can send Satisfaction merchandise of lizarddoggo.com from America to Russia? For payment sure

[warm dew]

@hard ivy found it! Thank you so much. I can finally clear my screen

[white dawn]

Although the side effect of doing that is that you're unlikely to ever actually try any of those recipes out

IMO especially for someone unfamiliar with the recipes, it's far better to just flip a coin and keep redeeming

[wicked nacelle]

There’s no benefit to redeeming a recipe you’re not going to use

[white dawn]

Personally I only recommend keeping drives unredeemed when you're specifically looking for a recipe, 'cause that's how you can manage the random pool

[glad quest]

I CALLE DIT

[coarse path]

LOL

[white dawn]

How is a first-time user supposed to know that they're not gonna use a recipe?

[glad quest]

just sink them

[white dawn]

In this context, the user doesn't know how they feel about recipes, or they wouldn't be asking

[wicked nacelle]

Use it right now

[white dawn]

So IMO far better to just redeem and then try 'em out. Find out what you like

[coarse path]

the first half wasnt full thats why i didnt notice the second one being full, what made the oil things stuck

[wicked nacelle]

Pick a recipe when it is something you’re going to use to build with right now

[white dawn]

A recipe hiding away in the MAM is, IMO, one that a newer player is just never gonna use

Fundamental difference in opinion on this one, of course. :D I still stand by my "flip a coin" advice

[glad quest]

prob not fast enough belt

[white dawn]

Since there's no such thing as a "bad" recipe. :)

[wicked nacelle]

And if you decide there IS a specific recipe you want having a bunch of of locked out recipes is great for getting it sooner.

[coarse path]

i have a splitter on both, to a sink and a train railway to my base for plastic, one of the 2 splitter wasnt connected cuz i wanted more resin for plastic

[white dawn]

Keeping up with your drive research is even faster. :)

[coarse path]

but i guess it got overflown after a week of use i forgot i ever reemoved the conection of the splitter and sink

[white dawn]

(And you'll have more spheres/sloops/DNA at the same time!)

[coarse path]

ignore my broken keyboard @glad quest

[glad quest]

huh wdym

[spring root]

ok so i have a train that says "station unavailable" on the next station but i was able to manually drive it there, i do not see the problem

[white dawn]

That's often due to a station head being placed "backwards"

[wicked nacelle]

You have to be able to drive there with an engine being forward and the station direction you dock to being correct

[white dawn]

The rounded bit should face outside/forwards

(And the locomotive wants to pull into that rounded bit)

[coarse path]

my keys dont press or press dubble

[wicked nacelle]

Train will only go the direction of an engine at the end of a train facing forward. And it won’t ever switch directions during a single part of a trip

[coarse path]

so i gotta edit my messages all the time

[glad quest]

lol

[compact flicker]

I think I might be burnt out on SatisFactory >:

[white dawn]

It happens! Take a break, can come back fresh later. :)

Satisfactory's a pretty big time commitment. I'll often go, like, a year inbetween playthroughs

[glad quest]

build an ionized fuel set up

easier than nuclear and more impressive

[compact flicker]

Phase 4 rn

[glad quest]

oh nvm then

[compact flicker]

Could do rocket fuel

[white dawn]

(The problem with Ionized Fuel as a power source is that you're basically better off leaving it as Rocket Fuel instead)

[glad quest]

why

[mystic oriole]

of course, if you aren't building APA's to make up the difference

[glad quest]

u add a few pieces of dark matter and get insane fuel

[quick hound]

Hey apoc..I ate a hard drive and ADA is mad at me, what do I do?

[glad quest]

grovel

[quick hound]

besides what he said

[white dawn]

'cause you end up with essentially the same amount of net power if you leave it at Rocket Fuel. I think RF actually gives you more net power, depending on recipe chains

[mystic oriole]

right, net power, unboosted

[glad quest]

erm actually ive got 34 more pwp plants (ive somerlooped the stuff) (tho 3m^3 is nicer than 4.17m^3)

[white dawn]

Not trying to convince anyone to not build Ionized power if they like, of course

[sterile blade]

Don't you love to use 10 MJ of energy to make 12 MJ's worth of Fuel?

[quick hound]

Anyway, how are you doing?

[glad quest]

2MJ net toho

[white dawn]

Could've slooped the Rocket Fuel instead, of course. :)

[sterile blade]

Barely worth having a production process for it, considering a single power augmenter (non-boosted) can do that much at any scale of Fuel

[glad quest]

i can still do that tho i ran out of sam ore lol

and build 250more pwp

[white dawn]

Ionized is a great Jetpack fuel, and presumably a great vehicle fuel, though I've not used it for that purpose. And also a good way to "sink" excess Power Shard production. I wouldn't personally recommend it for power, though.

[glad quest]

bro who said ive automated power shards 🗿

[quick hound]

and that was the moment we discovered MONKE was on cocaine.

[glad quest]

maybe

[sterile blade]

It also doesn't work well with Sloops...

[mystic oriole]

so can't wait for Ficsmas for access to that white powder eh?

[zenith pecan]

I might make a small scale ionised fuel factory for trickle packaged fuel production (and a vast store for it because lol)

[dawn mist]

I know this isn't the most unbiased community to ask this question but I can't think of a better one.

[glad quest]

didnt even realise u could use powa shards

its good wait i cant even automate them

SLUGS FINNA DIE TONIGHT

[dawn scroll]

The Gallente like killing slugs

[zenith pecan]

I thought they liked killing Caldari!

[zealous mesa]

So do Amarrians

[glad quest]

who are these ppl

[dawn scroll]

Taromani knows

[dawn mist]

I've played a lot of Factorio and touched Satisfactory only like 2 hours. I've got a 10 year old niece and a 12 year old nephew. Nephew seems like both games would be his jam, but I'm uncertain if I should throw him into the Factorio deep end. Idonno how kids. Niece is into cute stuff which Factorio does NOT have, so Idonno if I should try pulling her into Satisfactory or not.

[glad quest]

yes

[leaden turret]

satisfactory:

• looks nicer
• doesn't have base defense to deal with
• can build up

[glad quest]

(its wayyy to complicated for them)

[white dawn]

To be fair, Factorio has an option to disable the base defense aspect, and I know a lot of Factorio players enjoy playing it without that

[dawn mist]

Is there enough cute in Satisfactory for my niece to enjoy?

[glad quest]

pc or console?

i mean either way theres an entire decoration shop

[hard ivy]

Why would that matter XD

[glad quest]

decor mods

[dawn mist]

Idonno, actually. Probably PC.

[mortal ginkgo]

they can make ultra cute factories with all the pink colors

[glad quest]

100% satisfactory as early game its easy and for decoration satisfactory is orders of magnitudes better

[zenith pecan]

I mostly restrict pink to any factory that works with mined quartz and it's products (along with grey)

[next idol]

Why cant I pick somersloops up?

[dawn mist]

Killer. Thanks for the input guys!!

[mortal ginkgo]

if you are a little girl, all you care is pink. All needs to be pink. All shall be consumed by pinkness. Pink is the only color that matters. Something that is not pink? It is meant to be pink in future. You are not pink? You will be pink.

Pink.

[hard ivy]

Get rid of stuff around it. Rocks, trees, etc

[glad quest]

oh also theres is decoration mods (mods can be a pain sometimes) that allow for insane freedom

[glad quest]

purple is better

[whole drum]

It depends on if they enjoy combat more or if the appeal toward aesthetics is stronger. You can decorate A LOT more in SF than Factorio.

[nocturne warren]

where do i unlock stairs?

[next idol]

Theres nothing. Its the crystall with some roots around it. Nuking it wont work

[mortal ginkgo]

purple is dark pink so it checks out

[glad quest]

awesome shop

[nocturne warren]

Yeah but i cant find it

[glad quest]

yeah factorio is only automation

[glad quest]

steel bit u may need quartz

[nocturne warren]

I have both of those

[whole drum]

Automation and combat

[nimble smelt]

when does the update roll out on steam? i can see the patch notes but theres no update for me yet X)

[honest sleet]

just had an idea for a late-endgame building: Dimensional Depot Downloader. pretty muck the ultimate conveyor belt, it could pull a specific type of item from the cloud and spit it out

[whole drum]

SF has combat too, but it's much less emphasized

[nocturne warren]

its just not there

[hard ivy]

The devs already said no

[glad quest]

yeah dude i dont decorate so i cant help rlly

[nocturne warren]

ty for trying at least

[glad quest]

would be beyond op

[glad quest]

dw its all gud

[honest sleet]

oki

[whole drum]

This would remove the only real challenge the game offers

[nimble smelt]

@nocturne warren just joined in, did you buy the stairs in the awesome shop yet?

[honest sleet]

but like in late tier 9

so you've already got portals and stuff

[whole drum]

Doesn't matter when, tbh

But I'm sure someone has made a mod for it

[zenith pecan]

Stairs are under the catwalks in buildables if I recall.

[nocturne warren]

i cant find them there

i checked everywhere

[near thicket]

There's no need to keep your coal gen up after youve done a fuel setup right? Like its so easy to just spike like 10k power off of fuel

[nocturne warren]

i have ladder modern catwalks industrial walkways and personnel elevator in that category

[glad quest]

i keep it tbh

[nocturne warren]

no stairs

[glad quest]

can help jumpstart fuel if something breaks

[nimble smelt]

Theyre in the Foundations tab right at the top

[whole drum]

It's more better to have extra power, and you can find coal elsewhere

[glad quest]

like i turned on 250 fuel gens today and for somereason my fuel production plummeted and i almost lost all power

my 48 coal power plants helped as i didnt ahve many batteries

[nocturne warren]

No im looking for other stairs

[nimble smelt]

catwalk stairs?

[nocturne warren]

that arent foundations

no not those either

[wicked nacelle]

if the coal you're burning for fuel is even slightly useful for something else then tear down your coal 100%

[nocturne warren]

did they actually remove them?

[nimble smelt]

which ones

[wicked nacelle]

but unless it's useful why mess with it

[nocturne warren]

like they were size of a foundation and made out of iron or steel

[whole drum]

I would only do this if the coal was near sulfur I also need. Coal on its own is easy enough to just find more of.

[wicked nacelle]

I'll probably tear down my coal power shortly to convert all the coal into steel and expand a steel plant.

[wicked nacelle]

not as easy as throwing up another fuel burner

[zenith pecan]

Only stairs that came to mind for me #screenshots message

[whole drum]

What you mean?

[nimble smelt]

you can get the foundation stairs and then chance the foundation material, that makes them out of metal? otherwise metal roofs are probably your best bet

[zenith pecan]

I forgot about the foundation ones.

[wicked nacelle]

bringing in coal takes more time than just throwing up another fuel burner to replace the coal power you'd take down. I'd likely rather have the convenient coal for making more steel... but no reason to just go out of your way to tear down coal if you're not going to immediately repurpose the coal, for sure

[nocturne warren]

they actually removed them

[zenith pecan]

Are you on about the old stair with landing that you can bend around pillars?

[nocturne warren]

stackable stairs my beloved 💔

[nocturne warren]

yes

[zenith pecan]

Ahh, I had forgotten about those, they were too shallow for me, I used ramps for ages until the catwalk stairs were released.

[whole drum]

This is why it depends on what else is near the coal. Steel can be made in most places that coal is present.

[nocturne warren]

i liked them because they could fit in one foundation

[wicked nacelle]

yep, but early-oil it can be useful to just increase steel production where you already have it which may be splitting coal with your coal gens

[whole drum]

Oil is so nice that it doesn't usually bother me to just seek out more and make more power

And I don't mind spamming power poles everywhere, because I can use them for ziplines and hoverpacks

[quick hound]

@reef basin Sorry for the ping, but I have a question, for the Satisfactorytools, is there a setting I can turn on where everything calculates as sloops? (Or I can input an amount of sloops and it tells me where it would be beneficial to put the sloops?)

[white dawn]

I'm obviously not greeny, but no: current tools doesn't deal with sloops at all

[whole drum]

Also, it's better to sloop end products

[quick hound]

Damn it..

[quick hound]

I was planning on slooping everything

[whole drum]

There is a case for slooping ingots, but it's very niche

[white dawn]

IMO it would be an interesting thing to be able to solve for. It's entirely possible that optimal sloop usage isn't always end-products. And if you're doing large Ficsonium buildouts you might need to end up slooping RSAM production, etc

Just the sort of thing an LP solver is good at. :D

[quick hound]

Exactly, and that’s why I was hoping..

[white dawn]

Possibly for Next Tools™, I suppose. Not sure if that's on greeny's radar or not. :)

[whole drum]

True--I mainly think of like tier 7 and below

[quick hound]

Sigh, now I have no idea how to build a ficsonium fuel rod factory without knowing sloop calculations

[ivory condor]

FFR, yeah not touching that

those recipes are just to horrendous

[hard ivy]

Depends what your goal is, but generally, yeah

[quick hound]

also, if anything is in a decimal, do I round up if it’s about the .5 mark? Because console can’t do decimals

[white dawn]

I know you're probably still on that "what if I slooped literally every step" project. Modeller would presumably be of use for that, though requires a PC to run. Solve for the production chain in something like sftools, then rebuild it in Modeller but apply sloops

[hard ivy]

Good thing there are mods for that

[white dawn]

(That or just multiply by 2 at every step)

[quick hound]

Again, console..

[ivory condor]

those need to touch those recipes even more to be honest

[white dawn]

Right, hence why I specified

[hard ivy]

Ok man I did the best job I could without making the default recipe completely useless

Just install the double FFR energy mod too

[ivory condor]

its a decent start though, but I feel those are need desperate of major rework

[white dawn]

But even in the absence of a PC, as I say: it shouldn't be too hard. Solve for the factory chain however you can, then start doin' some manual calculation

[quick hound]

I hate math.. it hurts my brain.. 😭

[white dawn]

Ah yes, again with the "the recipes don't do what I want so therefore they're useless."

[hard ivy]

But yeah, imo the "nuclear rebalance" mod or whatever it was called didn't touch them enough. Plus it altered the default recipe, which I didn't really like

[quick hound]

Hey, I never said it was useless. I’m just trash at math.

[white dawn]

That wasn't directed at you. :D

[quick hound]

oh, apologies.

[ivory condor]

So how many mods do I need to make FFR a viable option for mega projects

[rich parrot]

0

[ivory condor]

How

[hard ivy]

I'm using all of mine. So 4. Though the newest one is only QOL

Could've put them all in one mod but why do that when some people might want to change some things

[ivory condor]

Hmmmm

[rich parrot]

Make a portion of power with rocket fuel. Plenty of sulfur and gas around the map.

[ivory condor]

Guess you don't understand what I meant

[white dawn]

Heh, they're trying to get around the limitation that there's not enough SAM on the map to fully Ficsoniumize really big nuclear setups

[ivory condor]

because this is a simplified version of one mega project I wanted to do, https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Hm04nNeIlshdBxG8p5Wl but its a no go because already 100% SAM usage, so I'm already doomed

[white dawn]

"Don't use nuclear" is a bit antithetical to that. :)

[rich parrot]

Oh, okay. I thought they just wanted "enough" power, not ALL the power.

[hard ivy]

There's more SAM than 6720 though

[ivory condor]

keep in mind 126/min plutonium waste is actally the least amount of plutonium waste for that project, I could easily make more, but the FFRs recipes are so bad SAM usage sky rockets, making even 126/min unviable for a mega project

[white dawn]

Nah, just running into the map limits for Ficsonium production and hoping to mod stuff so that bigger FFR setups are possible

[rich parrot]

If you feel like the game is cheating you from something, you could always dupe sloops and make the impossible become possible.

[ivory condor]

Oh I see I changed the default starting amount for this hmmm, forgot I did that, still 6.7k SAM usage is still crazy

[mystic oriole]

or blueprint miners to make up for SAM shortage

[ivory condor]

yeah I feel like that would need to do done on or something given how high SAM usage is with the FFRs recipes

[hard ivy]

You can do this if you spend like 30 sloops on doubling RSAM.

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Xm9LWovy7nQc0YTPHrr8

And that's the most nuclear power you can get without slooping the nuclear chain itself, conversion, or augmenters - 1.47 TW

[ivory condor]

18.6k SAM

would need to go sloops to get the most out of SAM for this one hmmmm

[hard ivy]

There's 10200, so 20400 with sloops. And you only need 34 for that

Though slooping ficsite ingots or trigons might be better?

Plus you can make DMR without SAM, which this doesn't do

[quick hound]

What’s DMR? (Not used to all the abbreviations)

[ivory condor]

maybe combine this with modded recipes

[hard ivy]

Oh yeah, with modded recipes this is chill. Resource-wise at least

[quick hound]

Also, how are you doing, Kyo?

[hard ivy]

I'm doing 304 Ficsonium Rods and 50 matrices. Completely impossible in vanilla, doesn't even need slooping with my mods. Makes 10 TW too

[quick hound]

brain melting

[modest sequoia]

hey, im trying to figure out blueprints for the first time. and looking at a 36GW rocket fuel factory. The description says no mods needed, but I cant stack all the materials need. Even with full DD space.
Is there any other tricks I could use ?

[true mulch]

Dark matter residue

[twin forge]

why do i have a 3.3 GB update?

[true mulch]

Because you didn't read #patch-notes

[lost oasis]

cant log in to epic for some reason?

[scenic siren]

Same

[mystic urchin]

Anyone knows why after the last update is the to-do list now much larger?

It's actually obnoxiously big now

[lost oasis]

Yeah thats what she said

[quick hound]

the more I talk here the more I feel like I’m not smart enough to play this game

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that among the kinds of people a game like this attracts are folks who like geeking out over stuff like math and optimizations, and this Discord in particular attracts folks who want to continue talking about that kind of thing even when they're not playing the game

Which is not necessarily a representative cross-section of Satisfactory enjoyers in general. :)

[lost oasis]

i hate how i cannot load to epic and jist host game

[white dawn]

You can do quite well in the game by just eyeballing things and making factory lines which Mostly Work; you don't actually have to get all hung up on the math and stuff

[quick hound]

Still, my feelings still stand.

[green fiber]

the only smarts you need is being able to do addition, multiplication, division and subtraction

and enough creativity to put stuff together that at least works

[true mulch]

You have to understand percentages

And sometimes SI units and prefixes

[green fiber]

a subcategory of divisions technically

[white dawn]

(And of course, also remember that nobody started out knowing exactly what to do in the game. A lot of us have been playing the game for literally years.)

[quick hound]

It could be serious sleep deprivation that is effecting my cognitive abilities. I haven’t been sleeping very well lately, and sometimes not sleeping at all. I feel tired all the time, prone to anger and other complications.

[white dawn]

Definitely prioritize taking care of yourself, of course. Video games aren't going anywhere; they'll still be here whenever you like

[quick hound]

The issue is I can’t sleep no matter how hard I try. Sometimes I go so long without sleep that I just pass out the second I get home. On the floor usually..

I guess school is stressing me out more than I originally thought..

[green fiber]

yeah that... is not good

[primal obsidian]

unless you play any of ubisofts games

[green fiber]

an exhausted mind is the one that tends to perform not-that-good in this game

[quick hound]

(and yes, I’ve seen multiple doctors but there is nothing they can do. Last time I tried to take melatonin, I ended up OD’ing on it.)

[white dawn]

Yeah, that's something a videogame Discord really isn't equipped to handle well, but I'd encourage you to try and seek out help for stuff like that. I hope there's some options for that wherever you are. It can be tough, I know, but remember that you're worth it and you deserve to get the help you need

[quick hound]

Yeah fair.

I just hate talking to people irl haha.

[quick hound]

Your’e

[gentle lion]

How far do you normally set up truck and station

[green fiber]

depends

if the terrain is favourable, 1500 m or so is fine

[lost oasis]

bro i hate how i cannot play with my friends cuz epic is down

[white dawn]

My shortest route on my 1.0 save was literally 200m, whereas my longest was something like 2.5km

[gentle lion]

I have caterium and 4 iron nodes southishbof where I started about 1km

Ia fuel going to be an issue? Or just route some coal.to the station ?

I'm also just going to put down foundation for the path just easier for me lol

[white dawn]

Coal will get you further than you might expect; my only real advice would be to Try It And See™. :)

I would highly recommend not building roads/foundations for your vehicles, btw

[whole drum]

• Regulate your sleep: try to go to bed and wake up at the same time each day
• Regulate your diet: avoid excessive caffeine and sugar, but refrain from recreational drugs or alcohol
• Exercise regularly: 3/week for half hour to an hour is sufficient
• Exercise your mind: not just video games--do puzzles or read on topics you aren't familiar with

These things can help with stress and mental fatigue. It sounds like you might be gaming a bit too much as well.

[steel kelp]

Just train it at that point if you have them

[gentle lion]

I will trying to figure out how they work by reaosjg the wiki

[white dawn]

Just use the map's natural roads. Anecdotally, I'm of the opinion that they actually work a lot better just on the natural ground

[gentle lion]

No train yet

[gentle lion]

Ok ill have to see if there is a good route there lol

[steel kelp]

I refused to use trucks while i was going through the tiers because of the headache of fueling them and where the coal nodes were relative to me lol

[white dawn]

For me, 1km is well within vehicle range, though as McGalleon said, it does definitely depend on the terrain. Since I personally never build roads, I'm definitely at the mercy of the map's natural roads

[steel kelp]

I just built hella belts lol

Not good advice probably

[white dawn]

Eh, belts are the simplest way to do logistics, and the one with the least amount of learning curve

[whole drum]

It's what I often do, lol

[mystic oriole]

yes, I sit at a computer to much. 8hrs a day for work and another 8hrs once home

[steel kelp]

Trains or drones i dont mind taking time

[green fiber]

shove coal into them while transporting coal. problem solved

[white dawn]

The main downside to belts is the complete lack of inherent upgradeability -- if you ever decide you need more throughput than the belts you put down, you're stuck manually upgrading or manually running Yet Another Belt

[quick hound]

Imagine if you could put a train on top of a drone?

[steel kelp]

Read the last 2 lines of what i said lol

[white dawn]

But if that doesn't bother you, they're an easy way to get things from A->B

[steel kelp]

Yeh i only used belts till i got trains and then i just did that for everything

[green fiber]

I tried and didnt get it entirely at that point.

[whole drum]

The best thing about belts is reliable, consistent throughput

Not much fuss about them

[gentle lion]

Beleive me I do that ..
But I don't want to run 5 belts that far lol

[steel kelp]

Coal nodes werent close to where i needed the trucks to go to and from, couldnt be bothered to deal with that

[white dawn]

(One slight point of order: vehicles, trains, and drones also provide reliable, consistent throughput once you've learned how to use them "properly." There is a learning curve, though, and the possibility of having made mistakes. :)

[green fiber]

ok. thought it was about transporting coal itself not just using coal as the fuel source

[whole drum]

Yep. Belts "just work." 😄

[steel kelp]

I love trains ngl

[gentle lion]

Can you drop multiple resources with the truck station or does it need one for each kind?

[steel kelp]

Appreciated them a lot more once i set up my railway around the map

[green fiber]

you can mix....
have fun un-mixing tho

[gentle lion]

Lol

[primal obsidian]

do you think that 2.4 plutonium fuel rods/min is enough to power like 10 drones?

[gentle lion]

Oof guess I'm belting it lol

[steel kelp]

Depends on their consumption

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that you can make "refuelling" stations anywhere along the pathway. Set up a station which only takes in stuff to the fuel buffer, set it to "load" (so that no actual loading happens), and route a vehicle through it. The vehicle will stop there and pick up fuel, and then continue on. (Make sure to set the "pause node" to as quick as possible, which I think might be 1 second)

[whole drum]

It's probably better to pre-segregate the materials into different train cars, but if you really wanted to, you could use smart splitters to filter them while unloading

[steel kelp]

Yeh this is the headache i couldnt be bothered to deal with lol

[primal obsidian]

i though they consumed the same amount everytime

[white dawn]

I'd be surprised if 2.4/min Pu Rods wasn't more than enough for 10 drones, though I've never actually measured it myself

[steel kelp]

But they might need a certain amount for a trip

So you might have lulls where drones are waiting for fuel

Batteries are the easiest for drone fuel imo, i just sink my plut rods

[white dawn]

The amount of energy consumed by a drone depends on the route; there's no one answer. But I'd still expect 2.4/min Pu Rods to be more than enough for 10 drones

[gentle lion]

Maybe I'll make a small circle.And practice how the stations work

[white dawn]

Pu Rods are way more energy-dense than any of the non-nuclear fuelling options

[steel kelp]

Yea its just laziness

[gentle lion]

I'm 50 parts away from unlocking tier 5 and 6!

[whole drum]

Just make a 2 rail system and you'll be able to figure it out. Don't try to single rail it.

[gentle lion]

When are trains unlicked

Unlocked *

[white dawn]

See https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Drone#Fuel for a chart of the energy contained in the various fuels. Anecdotally, I've found that per-min fuel usage for constantly-active drones to be about 2.5/min for both batteries and rocket fuel (though the exact numbers, as I say, will depend on the routes themselves)

Compare their x,000 MJ energy ratings to Pu Rods' 1,500,000 MJ

A little Pu Rods go a long way in vehicles/drones

[steel kelp]

Maybe when i setup my nuclear ill try it out

[obsidian swift]

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[primal obsidian]

gonna have to plya on my singleplayer world cause the server i play on is down, very sad early game is really boring to me

[steel kelp]

Idk what ill need more drones for after that

[white dawn]

You can use Advanced Game Settings to start in whatever phase you want, btw

(though that will disable achievements while playing that save)

[primal obsidian]

nvm its up again

[white dawn]

Watch out or I'll start talking about outer planets in the solar system

[primal obsidian]

just need to make 96 stators/min and then place a bunch of assemblers to make the control rods

[lost oasis]

is epic still down guys?

[steel kelp]

Fuck ecrs

[ivory condor]

ecrs?

[wicked nacelle]

was for me like 10m ago

anyone know of a mod that lets hoverpack power off power wire? I hate that I can't hover between power towers

[ornate saffron]

I play vanilla. I solved this with ziplining

[wicked nacelle]

sigh. yes, it's okay if you have your power wires set up conveniently for that but it seems like I never do

[ornate saffron]

If you don't care about achievements you can just turn on fly mode

[wicked nacelle]

yeah I don't want to turn on AGS cuz.. I don't. Maybe a mod for extending hoverpack range from power?

I'll look around 🙂 thanks @ornate saffron

[south sinew]

maybe just place your power towers closer together?

[wicked nacelle]

that defeats the purpose of power towers... anyhow I'm just whining 🙂

I end up jsut dragging out little pwoer poles off the towers after the tower is placed

[abstract heron]

Wow and yay and I am thinking more with plutonium

Idk if I should tell guru about it

[wicked nacelle]

default limit is 2.4M I think? If you get up to 10x what you're at I recommend bumping it up in the engine.ini

[wicked nacelle]

tell him about what?

[abstract heron]

The big uobject stuff

[wicked nacelle]

that's not big

that's tiny

[white dawn]

Yeah, would certainly be nice if cables would transmit hoverpack power

Mostly not a problem since the connection length is so short outside of towers, but being able to hover between towers would be nice for sure

[whole drum]

Or just extend the range enough to let that happen

[abstract heron]

I have a mod which makes it 25k when I place them

[wicked nacelle]

which?

[white dawn]

Though I admit I've not run into that myself; I too tend to just zipline between 'em if I'm going that way

[whole drum]

It's 40m by default, iirc

[abstract heron]

Nuclear buff

[white dawn]

I'm personally fine with the current hoverpack range, but being able to hover between towers would certainly make sense

[wicked nacelle]

and rail is a power source for hoverpack so it's not like.. entirely inconsistent

[abstract heron]

I still have about 939gw left

[wicked nacelle]

but I'm sure they want to make people have to use the ziplien

[lost oasis]

How? its still down for me

[whole drum]

Instead I just don't build so many towers

[wicked nacelle]

I meant it was still down for me at that time

[abstract heron]

I think at 252 times 625000 power I might have a ton I anjt in game atm

[white dawn]

I think that the rail power still comes from the rail connection points, actually, so I think the behavior's technically consistent. Like the midpoint of the rail doesn't transmit power, just the ends

[wicked nacelle]

yes, that's what I've experienced. but I meant from a "world logic" perspective not an implementation perspective

[whole drum]

You can tell by looking at the connection when your pack touches a new one

[gentle lion]

Stupid question which side of the truck station do you park by to load/unload?

[wicked nacelle]

the side without the input/output belt connections

You stop under the overhead crane thing

[gentle lion]

Thanks

[wicked nacelle]

also the 'f' key when manually driving is flaky as hell but the autopilot stuff just works

[glad quest]

turns out my full 600m^3 pipe of fuel was actuall 480

was wondering why about a 5th of my gens werent on

that would be why

EDM I PREFER UPTEMPO

tho atm im listening to britney spears hardstyle

[primal obsidian]

ok im almost done my control rods factory just need to add some assemblers for the stators and then some for control rods and then maybe ill even decorate

wdym

[glad quest]

bro such a fire setup i was pumped then the most mid sound ever came out

[primal obsidian]

i said maybe

who knows

[unique pelican]

Is it up again?

[primal obsidian]

itll be like my 1st time decorating anything other then building 2 pyramids

[glad quest]

it sounds like how i imagine cocroaches talk

[primal obsidian]

pyramid 1 and 2

[nova oriole]

Wait so it's not me it's Epic Games Services that died

[cunning lily]

So folks, excel is a limited planner for factory workflows. I need diagraming. What options are out there?

[forest mirage]

Does a freight platform have to be full before it'll load onto the train? No matter what i set the train station settings too it wont load until its completely full..

[cunning lily]

Epic died again? Dang. Does that affect dedicated servers for satisfactory? I'm new to hosting and afk atm.

[vale quail]

It’s down on my side

[gentle lion]

TIL you can build more than one foundation at a time 🤦‍♂️

[white dawn]

The solver/calculator that's most often recommended is https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production, and for planning/modelling, Satisfactory Modeler (available on Steam) is quite popular

Two rather different apps; one of the two is likely to do what you're looking for, though

[whole drum]

For most accurate info, try it in game 😏

[wicked nacelle]

I just use satisfactory-calculator because I'm already there for the map. Also the "tools" website doesn't do nuclear power right

[white dawn]

I mean, it's just that sftools doesn't solve "through" Nuclear Power Plants, since NPPs don't actually have recipes. So to solve for Plutonium/Ficsonium you've gotta manually input how much waste you've got

I'd disagree that that's sftools not doing it right. It's just that it doesn't go through NPPs at all. :)

[wicked nacelle]

yes, whether it's a recipe or not is irrelevant for whether the tool is useful

it's not useful for anything past uranium waste

[white dawn]

(satisfactory-calculator, on the other hand, has several other deficiencies that sftools doesn't, fwiw. I personally highly recommend sftools over satisfactory-calculator, for solving purposes)

[hard ivy]

You can just add the waste as input and it works fine

[white dawn]

I mean, strongly disagree. It's quite usable for that

Just have to tell it how much waste you're working with, is all

[wicked nacelle]

satisfactory-calculator works how it should though so I just use that

works how you'd expect it to work

[white dawn]

I agree it would be nice if it would solve "through" NPPs, and perhaps the next version will have the ability to do so

[hard ivy]

Have fun getting incorrect and/or inefficient graphs that you have to choose recipes for completely manually then

[wicked nacelle]

you give a nuclear power plan an input it gives you a different output at a given rate. That's no different than any other production machine

[wicked nacelle]

that's usually what I want to do anyhow

[white dawn]

satisfactory-calculator also can't actually solve for least-resource-usage, for instance, since it doesn't use linear programming to solve (and can't arrive at the most oil-efficient petrochem production, etc)

[hard ivy]

Tell that to greeny then

[wicked nacelle]

he's made it clear that he thinks he's right.

it's dumb. but he's militant about it.

I don't care -- I use -calculator and I'm happy with it

[whole drum]

Use whatever you want. I think the main reason you're getting pushback is that you're saying it can't do things that it can.

[wicked nacelle]

and of course there's the python command line script too

[wicked nacelle]

you have to do the nuclear bits for it. When there's absolutely no reason for it to not automate it. Sure you CAN fight with the tool and do part of its work and get an output. But it's silly - that's why i want a tool so I don't have to do it

[hard ivy]

Weird considering it has significantly fewer features and capabilities. Tools at least kinda can do nuclear. Calculator straight up cannot handle item loops (recycling, DPF). Has issues with byproducts and not all that infrequently spits out incorrect math

Plus there are other calculators that can do everything (FactorioLab and Logistics for example)

[white dawn]

I can let greeny speak for themselves, of course, but my impression was that they weren't going to add NPP "virtual" recipes to the existing sftools simply because it's a crusty ancient codebase that they want to rewrite (as part of a Next Version Of Tools) instead, not that that next version wasn't necessarily going to include the functionality

[whole drum]

Sure, but there's a difference between "Tools can't perform X function" and "You have to do extra work for Tools to perform X function."

[wicked nacelle]

that's irrelevant to a user.

[white dawn]

Like, supporting solving "through" NPPs would be a task for the next one, not something to try and shoehorn into a solver that they don't want to actually keep hacking on

[wicked nacelle]

yeah as a user I don't care why it's not there

[white dawn]

I'm just saying that's a very different take than "he's made it clear that he thinks he's right. / it's dumb. but he's militant about it." It's not that it's a necessarily bad idea so much as just that the current solver is essentially in a maintenance-only mode

It's not dumb to prioritize working on the code you want to be working on, for personal projects like that

[wicked nacelle]

oh that? I've heard him defending the decision. and it wasn't "too hard I'll do it later"

it was "I made the right choice"

[whole drum]

I suggested that there could be an option for Tools to just assume some insane arbitrary number for the inputs and put a caveat on the calculator that mentions this--it would be up to the user to actually provide the required waste amount, but at least it could tell you how much that needs to be.

[white dawn]

The right choice at the time, sure.

[whole drum]

He didn't see or chose not to respond, tho

[white dawn]

Just feels like you're taking it awfully personally, especially when there are trivial workarounds

We'll see how things go as/if Next Tools™ development continues. :) greeny's been soliciting feature requests and stuff over the past few months, so the time is perhaps ripe

[hard ivy]

The solution is simple. Add the rod -> waste process as a recipe.

And I don't think there's any "better" option

[white dawn]

(I don't want any of this to make it seem like I'm implying that sftools is somehow perfect, and that every decision made for it was ideal. But I do think it's perfectly capable of helping you plan a full nuclear chain, even if it doesn't solve "through" NPPs.)

[whole drum]

The option I was suggesting was just a quick/easy/dirty method. Yours is definitely better, but probably more work.

[primal obsidian]

oops accidentally used mk.3 to transport 288/min forgot to use mk.4

[white dawn]

(After all, I mostly actually use my own bespoke solver on my local PC when planning, and that one is manifestly far worse than sftools. :D)

[whole drum]

The other option is just not planning. Free ball it like a man! 💪

[hard ivy]

Why would you not use the fastest belt you have for everything?

[fluid sapphire]

right? avoid accidentally having a wrong tier belt somewhere down the line

[primal obsidian]

uhh idk

[whole drum]

The highest belt you have automated*

[primal obsidian]

maybe i should just start doing that

[south sinew]

it is overall cheaper to use the correct belt tier.. but not really worth it imo

[white dawn]

Some folks do like seeing material going by at a more "appropriate" rate. Could make it slightly easier to eyeball resource rate issues, I suppose. :)

[fluid sapphire]

materials are basically free, who cares if its "cheaper"

[south sinew]

if you think they're free you're obviously not spending them enough on other things

[white dawn]

Just an aesthetic choice of liking to see "fuller" belts instead of a belt which is 2/3s empty while having single bits of resource zip by

I do mostly only ever use my highest-tier belt personally (although I often reserve mk6 belts for when they're needed; those are a very strong aesthetic choice sometimes), but I can see the appeal of matching the belt to the required delivery speed.

[whole drum]

I like my belts that teleport materials

[fluid sapphire]

thats silly, its very easy to accumulate large amounts of materials with buffers, even if you produce at a low rate

[south sinew]

even easier to spend them

[whole drum]

Those limitations mostly exist int he early game.

[hard ivy]

Available basically equals automated to me. Once I have it available, the first thing I do is automate it. And in the process, I assume that I'm using that belt, because I can just replace them once the factory actually starts producing them

[fluid sapphire]

i produce 30 steel beams a minute, and my whole world is chock full of frame foundations - i have literally only had a single shortage ever and it was only because i circled my entire rail network to add tons of frames everywhere

[oblique gate]

Just had to delete a Freight Car that was in the middle of other Freight Cars, and they won't reconnect

[south sinew]

I dunno, when you're automating power shards for example then automating ISCs full of t6 belts as well is not that easy

[steel kelp]

Why isnt it?

[ivory condor]

I use sftools to solve nuclear without any big problem, so not sure I see the issue thats being discussed

[south sinew]

cost a ton of diamonds

[steel kelp]

Making 240 time crystals and trigons a min is v easy lol

[steel kelp]

Alt recipes make diamonds super accessible

[whole drum]

Still, we're talking about materials for logistics--those aren't hard

[hasty dragon]

I was thinking of a turbo fuel factory just for diamonds

[south sinew]

even with alt recipes I ran out

[primal obsidian]

yay done my control rods for nuclear

wait almost i forgot to put the recipie into the assemblers

[ivory condor]

idk about what, i have no trouble using the tools for nuclear, what is the problem?

[white dawn]

Just someone who doesn't like that sftools won't solve "through" NPPs (since those aren't technically recipes), requiring you to plug in your amount of waste manually instead. A fair criticism, IMO, though also IMO not a huge issue

[cunning lily]

Thanks!

[steel kelp]

Build more idrk what to tell you lol, i have 3 depots for each time crystal and trigons. In my 240/m time crystal factory i even have some feeding into a drone and i still never run out

[primal obsidian]

produces 64 rods/min for waste managment and the actual nuclear power plant

[ivory condor]

That, thats not a problem at all as the solver as you say allows you to put it into it as a input, so, again dont see the problem here

[south sinew]

building more is how I ended up with the need for more diamonds in the first place ;p

[ivory condor]

now I could understand if the tool really couldnt do something, but we are talking about waste processing, which the tool is perfectly fine with solving for

[steel kelp]

Make more diamonds i meant lol

[south sinew]

I did make more diamonds

I made a lot more diamonds

[steel kelp]

Then you shouldnt be running out?

[fluid sapphire]

if you have a large amount of ISCs i cant wrap my head around how you can run out of that stuff fr fr

[steel kelp]

I dont understand what the issue is lol

[glad quest]

750

[fluid sapphire]

whats your buffer size, a single ISC?

[white dawn]

Sure, though in defense of the complaint, IMO it would be nice if tools would do that anyway. :) And doing so would also open up the possibility of solving for things like "max power," since otherwise the solve is too isolated to properly do so. (I know greeny's said that Next Tools™ will have power solving available)

[steel kelp]

Mine is a single and i dont run out even when placing multiple 6x4 mk6 busses lol

[south sinew]

Diamonds are just not that easy to make that much more of since even with good alts they consume a lot of resources per diamond so spamming t6 belts everywhere can fairly easily consume em faster

I used two ISCs but still ran out

[steel kelp]

Disagree w everything said here lol

[south sinew]

I think you are just not placing as many belts as me

[white dawn]

Like even though we do have workarounds, being able to plug in like 300/min Uranium and click on "maximize Pu Rods" would be a handy thing to do. :)

[upper saddle]

Does anyone know where the executable is for Satisfactory? Trying to get on but Epic Games is having a stroke.

[steel kelp]

Like i said, i can place as many bps of my 6x4 mk6 belts as i want and not run out

I just built a megafactory producing every single project part in the game and never ran out

[white dawn]

I believe the current versions are pretty well tied to the online storefronts, btw -- I seem to think that currently they're difficult-to-impossible to launch without the storefront activating things the way the game expects

[fluid sapphire]

its really not different at all from the material consumption rate of earlier tier belts that you can very easily get away with automating small amounts of

[glad quest]

ikr

[white dawn]

Though to answer the question, I expect pcgamingwiki.com probably has that info (I'm not personally sure re: EGS specifically)

[fluid sapphire]

for me, for production buffering, i go big overkill (20-40 containers), almost never had an issue

[steel kelp]

Yea i mean i just have 1 isc as my buffer and have never run into issues

[upper saddle]

i found it in the install folder. I was looking in the appdata folder at first but it isnt there

[primal obsidian]

just realized i already had excess from a smaller control rod factory and coulda made less control rods so now i have 16 control rods/min excess

[steel kelp]

the guy running out probably just isnt uploading into multiple depots

[upper saddle]

"X:\Epic\Satisfactory\FactoryGameEGS.exe"

[steel kelp]

I hate building control rods im not looking forward to making my nuclear plant

[upper saddle]

i dont think it's gonna work though because it's still trying to open epic

[steel kelp]

Its gonna do 900gw from just uranium fuel rods

Ive been procrastinating it for a minute now

Need a solid battery factory to setup faster drones for my uranium

[primal obsidian]

was pretty easy for me cause i just used the unused caterium iron and copper refineries someone built on rhis server and i didnt have to build a billion refineries to make the 1600 iron ingots

[primal obsidian]

damn thats a lot mines gonna do 125 im pretty sure

[steel kelp]

Oh you’re on a server

Yea im completely solo and i just finished a big mega project so im unwinding by designing it before i do nuclear

[reef basin]

Please show me where I did this

[steel kelp]

How did you get your uranium in? I feel like drones are gonna cause stuttering if i need to feed 1200 uranium per min

[primal obsidian]

its not done yet im using trains to transport the materials to the uranium node and only using a normal node with 600 uranium/min

[fluid sapphire]

right? this is small scale by my standards, 10 containers for steel beams with 6 uploaders, and i have only had an issue once ever, and only because i went absolutely ham with frames
#screenshots message

[primal obsidian]

and then im gonna use drones to transport fuel rods to the ocean cause thats the only place i can get 11000 water/min

[steel kelp]

Yeh im just building it all by the ocean cuz of the water

Theres a uranium node close enough to belt, but the other i need is pretty far

[ivory condor]

But really how would the solver solve this, waste isnt a recipe, unless you want some kind of virtual recipe that maybe the solver could somehow do for

But that surely wouldnt be a great solution either, isnt it better to just leave it as a input item?

[white dawn]

Yeah, a "virtual recipe" is the way forward, though (and again, I should probably just let greeny speak for themselves about this. :D) I think they wanted to make sure it was done "right," including factoring in the whole power angle and such, and bolting on "virtual recipes" to the existing framework I think was just more effort than they wanted to spend on the old codebase

AFAIK all the recipes used in sftools were, like, essentially auto-imported direct from the game data, not specified by hand

[hard ivy]

It doesn't matter what is and isn't a "recipe". it's just text in a json. you can put whatever you want in there

[white dawn]

So doing virutal recipes would require at least some new coding of some sort

Whether that means adding in some entries at data-collection time or doing it after the fact

(Again, I am possibly doing some interpolation on my own here which doesn't match reality. I am not an authoritative source on this. :D)

[primal obsidian]

gonna try decorating this but its probably gonna look bad wish me luck

[ivory condor]

I wish you luck creating your abomination

[upper saddle]

is there a way to transfer my copy of Satisfatory from Epic to Steam? Been fed up with Epic recently and would rather have all my games on the same platform.

[fluid sapphire]

question is about game license, not saves

[hard ivy]

buy it again. that's a lot of people did

[fluid sapphire]

no bro, you misunderstand the question

[ornate saffron]

You can use the same saves but you'll have to repurchase it through steam.

If the epic launcher is giving you a issue you can manually add the game to your steam library and launch it from within steam. I do this for steam games that have odd controller issues

[white dawn]

The "No" reactions are correct. If you want to play Satisfactory via Steam instead of Epic, you need to re-buy it on Steam

You can transfer your savegames between storefronts, for sure, but not the game itself

[white dawn]

That would still require that EGS be up and running, though

That wouldn't bypass any issues that the Epic storefront is having

[ornate saffron]

Correct. Hence the first part of my message.

[wicked nacelle]

Just not caring is cheaper though.

[fluid sapphire]

27€ on humble rn

[ornate saffron]

Many people have rebuilt super Mario a dozen or more times. Satisfactory is worth a second purchase

[whole drum]

I never did buy into EGS. Really glad for that decision, lol

[steel kelp]

Do trains ignore the arrow things or do they change them while pathing to the station

[fluid sapphire]

switches? automated trains dont care at all, pretty sure

[steel kelp]

Switches is what i meant ye lol

[white dawn]

Effectively they ignore them, though I think if you watch automated trains go through the intersection, they go also automatically set the switches

[ornate saffron]

The switches are for manual driving. Trains will always take the shortest route and obey signals

[white dawn]

So it might be a matter of semantics. :)

[steel kelp]

Oki, just asking cuz apparently theres a bug where the switches are inverted on console

So was wondering if it should/would impact automated trains

[white dawn]

Nah, shouldn't. Shouldn't take too long to test, though

[fluid sapphire]

i have some switches that i am pretty sure are the wrong way around, trains give no *ucks

[white dawn]

Of course not; MASSAGE 2(A-B)b has no waterfowl

[fluid sapphire]

quite

[steel kelp]

Yeh im fairly certain mine is the same, caught up at work so cant test atm

[shut grove]

Are there enough mercer spheres that I can plan to put a dimensional Depot on each production line I make?

[steel kelp]

But also makes me scared to load ip my world

[hard ivy]

there's like 200 spheres left after upgrades. plenty for depots

[shut grove]

Sooo what your saying is... I COULD .. make a dimensional Depot mega storage facility 😂😂

[glad quest]

guys dont use manifolds for 250 power plants

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message

[glad quest]

its been nearly 5 hours now and they still arnt all full

[hard ivy]

just fill them when they don't have water

[hard ivy]

they would be full already if you did that ^

[glad quest]

its fuel

[hard ivy]

then I'm afraid that's not manifold fill time XD

[glad quest]

pipe manifold ....

[fluid sapphire]

DDs completely negate the need to have a central facility for storage

[steel kelp]

Yeh its defo not the manifold

[quick hound]

It would be kind of funny if you tried to run a Fuel gen on water after a couple minutes it would explode

[fluid sapphire]

it can still be a fun project though

[steel kelp]

You arent producing enough fuel or you have some pipe issue

[glad quest]

nah its 200 fuel gens on 1 pipe lol

peak idea

[steel kelp]

Thats why id imagine

Lmao

[hard ivy]

even with RF at 100%, that should only take an hour or 2

[glad quest]

well i dunno what to say

[fickle walrus]

whats the next big update gonna be

[glad quest]

its finally stabalised and i started at about 3 pm its now 8.37pm

[quick hound]

First half of next year

[glad quest]

also anyone know why my max power consumption randomly drops by 5kmw

[fickle walrus]

like in the next big update what are they adding

[steel kelp]

I filled 64 overclocked gens on 1 pipe in like 40 mins or so lol

[steel kelp]

Machines probably turning off due to filling up their buffer/storage id imagine?

[fickle walrus]

@quick houndstay mad when i was asking a question

[steel kelp]

Could be wrong tho

[glad quest]

but 5kmw is alot no and i dont mean the orange bar i mean teh blue

[quick hound]

Que?

[steel kelp]

Yea it must be a whole factory or smth filling up and shutting down

[white dawn]

We know very little about it still; it's not slated for release until next year sometime. We do know that they're adding fluid trucks / fluid truck stations, and there'll be some new as-yet-unspecified game modes added.

[glad quest]

check screenshots

[white dawn]

For various stream clips of them talking about v1.2 topics, fwiw: https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/satisfactory-updates/speculative/satisfactory-1-2/

[steel kelp]

Yeh no idea ngl lol. Mine fluctuates a lot as well. Are you using the higher tier stuff like particle accelerators?

[glad quest]

yeah but isnt their max power consumption used

[steel kelp]

But they could be turning on and off due to filling up which fucks w your max cons

Oh maybe not actually

[glad quest]

no cuz even when turned off they still have their max consumption used

[steel kelp]

Idrk ngl ive never rly thought about why my max cons fluctuates

[wicked nacelle]

Fluctuating power machines is such a weird add to the game. Toud have to be REALLY on the edge for it to ever matter.

And considering battery storage is trivial to make you’d think that they’d just put a battery storage insider the building and make it a stable draw.

[gentle lion]

My truck has returned multiple times yay

Quick wire production has started

[wicked nacelle]

What would happen if you drove a truck all the way across the map and back in a recorded path and then deleted all the path markers except the two on opposite ends of the world? Would it warp the whole island?

[tender loom]

guys is there any mod i can download that makes the in game map more interactive? like showing where the things are

[white dawn]

There's a mod called Cartograph or Cartographer or something like that

[glad quest]

y es

[wicked nacelle]

The latter. If you’re on PC you can also load your map into SCIM and interact with it there.

[whole drum]

You unlock radar towers around the mid game, and those help quite a bit.

[tender loom]

oh then nvm

i wont use mods then

[wicked nacelle]

Cartographer shows where your player built structures are. Radar just shows more map features. Very different

[hard ivy]

radar tower won't show you where your buildings are

[tender loom]

no no i dont need that

i meant like

i need to know where the mercer things are

but im too lazy to just get the little radar thingy

and go explore the world

[hard ivy]

radar towers kinda do that. SCIM shows exact locations. idk about cartograph

[white dawn]

Radar Tower doesn't pinpoint sphere/sloop locations anyway

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/#google_vignette

[whole drum]

Radar doesn't do much for that. Use the object scanner.

[white dawn]

They'll tell you how many there are inside the range of the tower, which can help narrow down your search, but they won't give you direct icons

[tender loom]

ye i got that website

[white dawn]

If you want accurate mapping of that stuff, SCIM is probably your best bet

[tender loom]

but i wanted something more in game

[wicked nacelle]

Use SCIM. It will show where they all are and if you’re on pc you can upload your save and it will show you the ones you haven’t gotten only

[tender loom]

ok

[wicked nacelle]

Are you on pc?

[tender loom]

ye

[wicked nacelle]

The grey dashed box in the top right is how you upload your save. It’s in %localappdata% then factorygame

Then some stuff. You’ll find it

[tender loom]

okay captain

[near thicket]

Once I have synthetic fabric should I just biomass all mycelia?

[wicked nacelle]

Or just trash it

[hard ivy]

keep it for inhalers. and don't bother collecting more

[near thicket]

Eh I dont really care about inhalers I just eat bacon or die

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah I’d just fill DD with it then trash the rest. And really no reason to fill did but why not

[leaden turret]

can make inhalers with mycelia if you want to huff shrooms

[reef basin]

@wicked nacelle fyi my stance on gens in Tools is (and always was):

I won't add it as a recipe, because it's not a recipe, doesn't have properties of recipes and the machine (e.g. NPP) doesn't have properties for making recipes (in game data). Adding a fake recipe would require modifying almost all parts of tools and adding exceptions for those recipes everywhere. Implementing power properly would be less work than that (but still tons of work), which I don't really want to put into old Tools, since I'd rather spend free time on new Tools.

Fyi you can also host Tools yourself (though you'd need some help from my side to do it), if you want to change things for yourself

[dapper marten]

Is there a way in the satisfactory calculator to get the maximum output amount from a certain input instead of asking for an output target?

[primal obsidian]

yes just click where it says items/min and it should show maximize

[hard ivy]

1. no
2. I suggest you don't use SCIM's production planner. it's by far the worst of them all

[reef basin]

That's not in satis calc

[near thicket]

Who has rhe best production planner?

[hard ivy]

the best is a lot harder to define that the worst, but I suggest
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production
https://satisfactory-logistics.xyz/factories or
https://factoriolab.github.io/sfy/

[leaden turret]

I have the best production planner for myself. probably does not play nice with anyone else's brain 😛

[brazen coral]

Would balancers help with maximum intake vs output or even making a centralized storage with overflow?

[hard ivy]

elaborate?

[pastel willow]

is anyone looking to join a server. we are low on active ppl

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[white dawn]

#1201555265942724758

[brazen coral]

I mean would balancers from one stage into the next stage of production help maximize the output of that stage vs having a centralized storage building or even do both with inputs and outputs coming and going from the centralized storage and then it'd be only limited to belt speed as to how much the next production can handle.

[reef basin]

Why are those the only two options? 🤔

[brazen coral]

There is a third?

[reef basin]

There's infinite

[leaden turret]

balancers is a form of distribution logistics, it'd only help if balancers make it easier for you to model the math in your head vs. manifolds or sushi nonsense

[reef basin]

f.e. make exactly what you need for next step, then you don't need to balance

[brazen coral]

I'm just looking for a way to maximize how quickly I can get to the next phase while still keeping organizers or buffers for individual items.

[hard ivy]

I don't understand what balancers in the middle of production have in common with central storage

[reef basin]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency is pretty good at that

[brazen coral]

Then I'm thinking of something completely different, can't even explain it at this point...

[unkempt blade]

balancers much like cartifolds aren't really necessary but do make the factory look extra fancy

[unkempt blade]

I used multiple conveyor loops to feed each item type in central storage so I'd balancer it on intake so it didn't overload a single conveyor 😄

[brazen coral]

Forget the bit about storage... Are buffers needed at any point in production or can it just be strictly one to the next until it can't be processed any further and how is that done...

[unkempt blade]

no point having 4x throughput if I'm using them all lopsided

[unkempt blade]

sometimes it might make sense backing a train station but I'm struggling to think of other necessary situations for it

if you're doing the math correctly for each step there's never really a point where it accumulates until the end

[hard ivy]

Containers in the middle of production are rarely a good idea. If you're producing as much as you're consuming, a container is pointless. If you're producing excess that you want to store, it's better to overflow to a container instead of putting the container inline

[unkempt blade]

plus if you're using a cartifold the storage is already integrated into all the truck stations

[mystic urchin]

#1443345873353445488 #1443300576212422929 Can anyone help please

[white dawn]

Now you've got me wanting to make a blueprint for each machine type which includes an attached truck station

[brazen coral]

Not sure what a cartifold

[white dawn]

(It's not really a thing; a manifold powered by Factory Carts. :)

waits to incur the wrath of @unkempt blade

[leaden turret]

@obsidian zodiac please make sure @void gorge doesn't stream tomorrow if he's not better, keep him locked up in quarantined in the basement 😛

[north summit]

would it be worth to make more coal plants for the sake of the alien power amp

[sullen gull]

Would probably be better to move on up to Oil imo.

[north summit]

I have oil already, the coal nodes are just sitting

[white dawn]

Oil scales a lot better than coal; can end up with a lot of fuel gen spam, but 250MW per gen is a lot nicer

(obvs build out more coal power if you want to, but you'll probably get more power-per-your-time-spent if you do more fuel instead)

[north summit]

true

[fluid sapphire]

coal is better used for other stuff later

[sullen gull]

coughdiamondscough

[umbral sleet]

could anyone help me figure out why my coal power plant's power production keeps jumping around?

[fluid sapphire]

#1038092680493801533

[umbral sleet]

ah

[wicked nacelle]

look at the smokestacks find one where the smoke is flickering then inspect it- it's either out of coal or water

[sullen gull]

Or watch the lights. Look for yellow ones

[fickle oriole]

what's the max Z-height I can build to? Thinking of a gigafactory, would hate to be thwarted because I find out too late that it would be too tall

[dapper marten]

If I'm dealing with like 2250 of petrol, how do I balance it through refineries? Do I just use each pipe of 600 and divide it between 20 refineries or I can merge them in multiple points and it will work?

[umbral sleet]

nah, they all have excess water and coal

[dapper marten]

I was hoping to go for just 34 refineries all maxed out on overclocks, but space is already a problem lol(I'm in the lake with geysers)

[sullen gull]

Start at the ends, then distribute evenly across the manifold.

[sullen gull]

Have any thermal gens attached?

[dapper marten]

Yeah but, pipes only transport 600, how would that work?

[sullen gull]

2550/600=4.25 pipes

So 4 600 and one 300 would work.

[dapper marten]

So 4 manifold and 2 splits?

I have
3 600
2 300(already merged)
And 1 150

[sullen gull]

It can work if everything was on a single manifold. As long as the input pipes are distrobuted evenly.

[dapper marten]

Why did they made it so difficult with liquids

[sullen gull]

|---+---+---|---+---+---|---+---+---|---+---+---| <-- | = input pipes, --+--- r= refineries.

[dapper marten]

So you mean a manifold for 34 refineries and I put the pipes every 8 refineries?

Going
8/8/8/8/2

[sullen gull]

I've done it with 42 refineries, and more

[dapper marten]

Because one pipe is only 150, impure node

[sullen gull]

And, for a total of 2550 oil, you can do 35 refineries all at 252.8572%

[glad quest]

bro

just calc how many per pipe

or manifold ts

[white dawn]

Personally I've come to always just send direct into the exact number of fuel gens that the refinery/blender/whatever can support

[dapper marten]

I'll just go with 34 so it's not a decimal number

[white dawn]

So like rather than try to combine a bunch of stuff into the least number of pipes, I do it in "modules"

[fluid sapphire]

also you cant clock beyond 250%

[dapper marten]

How lol

[sullen gull]

What are you talking about? The clock rate? If you use only 34 gens, you won't use att 2550 oil

[sullen gull]

*Can't

[umbral sleet]

nah, literally just coal

[dapper marten]

I mean, I'll just go with 34 at 250%

[unkempt blade]

you described it accurately except for the part where I'm wishing it into existence

[sullen gull]

Oh, nm you right.

[wicked nacelle]

that's not how the game works 😛

[fluid sapphire]

its 2250, not 2550

[umbral sleet]

what

[wicked nacelle]

if they have water and coal they don't turn off

[dapper marten]

The problem now it's space lol, and I'm quite sure build refineries vertically would be a great issue lol

[umbral sleet]

well they are

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok, my bad. Then only need 30 refineries @250%

[fluid sapphire]

i dont even know whats going on, whats "petrol" exactly

crude oil? whats being produced here

[sullen gull]

My guess is oil > HOR

[fluid sapphire]

post pics on your thread, this suggests flow issue

[void mason]

I have a 1600 fuel/4 pipes power plant and I've already read somewhere that maybe there was a way to prevent the fluids from disappearing, could anyone help me? I calibrated everything well but every time I reopen the game the fuel disappears

[sullen gull]

So, my first guess would be plumbing. How many gens?

[umbral sleet]

3 water things, 8 coal gens

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok, there was one lol. Didn't see it at first.

[sullen gull]

lets take it to your thread

[north summit]

oh wait coal is used by aluminum

i can just use those coal nodes for that

duh

[gentle lion]

Working on jetpack milestone have the parts to do it just haven't collected them lol

[glad quest]

WAGWAN MY BREDTHREN

[gentle lion]

Wow ...oil is like 2.5km away from me.....wtf

[glad quest]

WHERE R U

the moon

[gentle lion]

Grasslands?

[glad quest]

huh

[gentle lion]

The first suggested start

[ornate saffron]

Get you some Oil, Just a hope skip and and nice Power pylon Zipline away

[tall lantern]

that's the game teaching you to expand

[gentle lion]

Nevah

[tall lantern]

and to enjoy the wildlife...

[fluid sapphire]

ah, to be a baby pioneer again

[open swallow]

sky trains

[gentle lion]

I had to set the wildlife to peaceful I gotta figure out how to kill em.better

[fluid sapphire]

i remember feeling that the distance from grasslands to blue crater felt really long

[ornate saffron]

Rebar gun does a good job. Dont sleep on that mam Research

[fluid sapphire]

and now its like a stone's throw fr fr, i have a building thats as long as half that distance

[glad quest]

check sc

[gentle lion]

I'll make a factory half the distance away from oil then bring the oil to me ahhahahah

[gentle lion]

Woah.....

[glad quest]

thats not 2.5km away

[fluid sapphire]

you would have an easier time processing the oil locally, then moving the products if you need to

[gentle lion]

Ok maybe 2km

[glad quest]

bro noob i just leave it there and run

[north summit]

jetpack is huge

you can even momentum skate with it

[ornate saffron]

Moving fluids long distances is doable but a pain. Its best to use the oil where it is found ^_^

[north summit]

makes for great speed and distance

[gentle lion]

Ugh ok
That means another coal factory somehwre

Or giant power lines

[fluid sapphire]

i could never, considering how perfect that spot is for nitro rocket fuel

[ornate saffron]

the power pylon give you great distance for Power lines and doubles as a zipline

[tall lantern]

power is far easier to move than resources

[glad quest]

shame i made ionized instead

I DONT REGRET ANYTHING

[fluid sapphire]

thats energy negative, gg

[glad quest]

nuh uh

[gentle lion]

Oof start trekking to oil.aftwr I get backpack

[glad quest]

(i think i made 50k and used 30k)

[gentle lion]

Jetpack *

[glad quest]

just do !fly

[gentle lion]

Console ☹️

[glad quest]

rip

[ornate saffron]

advanced option - fly

[fluid sapphire]

pfft, why play game, just generate items and put them in the elevator, done

[glad quest]

why do that i just skip all teirs

[ornate saffron]

it is a option

[ornate saffron]

seriously though power pylons are a great option they maintain momentum so you can get pack off of the dive back on to them and get some serious speed. you need to move power anyways

how fairs your run?

[gentle lion]

Yeah I to spread out too.

[glad quest]

SPIDERS R FOUL BEASTS

they in caves or near the coal in the forest

[ornate saffron]

I accendetally turned them off my first playthrough. But they can be found in caves. If you started in the grass lands look under tyhe arch

[glad quest]

yes

[ornate saffron]

yes

[tall lantern]

be thankful

[glad quest]

with no eyes or mouth according to ada

[gentle lion]

Creepy Is that they are.

[tall lantern]

they are concerningly well-designed

[glad quest]

the cat png is somehow worse

[gentle lion]

Especially the BIG one

[ornate saffron]

have you been getting achievements?

in advanced options

[fluid sapphire]

they're nice
#screenshots message

[glad quest]

vile dead in teh eyes making spider noises yup im OUT

[fluid sapphire]

i hardly notice, they are passive

[ornate saffron]

I did the exact same thing,

[primal obsidian]

should i transport unraium waste by train or drone making 480/min

uranium waste 480/min

[wicked nacelle]

I've made a train multiple times that sends the fuel and picks up the waste at the same stop - that works well -- adn you can send plutonium fuel and pick up plutonium waste, too

[ornate saffron]

praise the sun

[primal obsidian]

ok thanks

[tall lantern]

yes, later

[primal obsidian]

im pretty sure at tier 9 not sure though

[ornate saffron]

yes, but until you have a use they are great for AWesome sink ppoints

[ivory wadi]

Chat I finally get to play this game I’m pumped

[wicked nacelle]

yes but don't worry about automating it until you know what you need it for and where

[wicked nacelle]

it's no good, sorry 🙁 we're all here to discuss what a disappointment the game is 🙁

then yeah -- sink that and enjoy doing the scrooge mcduck in your coupons

[ivory wadi]

[ornate saffron]

later you will hate it but for now swim in the points ^_^

[gentle lion]

If you have 2 nodes of resources doing 60/min and merge them but then split them again will the 2 lines turn into 60/min ...🤔 As long as conveyor can handle it?

[wicked nacelle]

yes you'd just need mk2 belts

[gentle lion]

Ok i thought that but then was like maybe the game would just go nah.lol

[ornate saffron]

I hear that, Im up to 1.5 mil points / min

[wicked nacelle]

it's a 5th grade math book disguised as a video game 🙂

good news -- it stops increasing at 250M / coupon

[ornate saffron]

Praise be

[wicked nacelle]

which is only half the maximum sink rate per minute

[gentle lion]

I'm glad I picked the alternate iron pipe recipe lot easier to make

[wicked nacelle]

so you can get 2 coupons per minute ad infinatum (or whatever)

[hasty dragon]

bdub

what's good bro

[gentle lion]

Not my brain lol

Game fried me for today

Also ran 3km of conveyor

[hasty dragon]

a fellow tower enjoyer

I just spent 2 hours working on blueprints i know what you mean

[fluid sapphire]

huh, i am closer to that than i thought i was, takes about 150M points to get a coupon

[wicked nacelle]

but don't forget about sinking double-slooped alien dna. that'll get you a LOT of coupons too and it has its own ramp up number so if one is high the other one might not be

[gentle lion]

I need to commit genocide on creatures and dump.thiae DNA,capsules 😂 😂

[wicked nacelle]

double sloop them for 4x more coupons

[ornate saffron]

nuke the swamp

[pliant prawn]

Sunny forget to sloop the DNA

[gentle lion]

Double what

[fluid sapphire]

i do have about 600 animal remains hmmmmmmmmm

[wicked nacelle]

process the parts in constructors with somersloops in them -- there are two steps to process so you can sloop both parts

[hasty dragon]

sloops double outputs without needing more input, just more electricity

slooping dna capsules is a goated strat

and bionuggies

[gentle lion]

I did not know that