satisfactory

[wicked nacelle]

no

[random garnet]

[wicked nacelle]

oh dang I thought you were going to "no"

[lofty forge]

sorry

i ruined the bit

[wicked nacelle]

could be worse. You could be a @quick hound duck

oh I think maybe the duck wasn't immune to electricity 😛

[stable prairie]

Quick question, when can you get pipes mark 2?

[random garnet]

Phase 3

[lofty forge]

phase 3

[stable prairie]

300m³/minute is vastly inefficient

[wicked nacelle]

oil->plastic->pipes mk2

[stable prairie]

Sweet, thanks

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch pipe

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=pipe

[stable prairie]

I'm gonna have to make larger, separated coal generators

[wicked nacelle]

wiki knows all

[wicked nacelle]

16 coal gens should get you to oil and then fuel power -- if you're efficient 🙂 -- and at that point coal power is silly

[stable prairie]

I've got one pump per individual generator rn, and they're dying of thirst

[random garnet]

Is mk2 the highest pipe tier?

[stable prairie]

I've got as many power shards in use as I can

[wicked nacelle]

Then you're doing something TERRIBLY wrong

3 water extractors can run 8 coal gens

[lofty forge]

for the full set here you go https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#4.75;31310;41714|gameLayer|bauxitePure;bauxiteNormal;bauxiteImpure ..... https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[lofty forge]

why did it come out like that

[random garnet]

I plant yo keep my two coal plants with 8 cos gens once I get fuel power up and running. I see no need to waste my time tearing it down

[wicked nacelle]

did you mean that one?

[stable prairie]

It's cause everything is overclocked and I'm using somersloops in my systems rn

[lofty forge]

PLEASE check your numbers

[wicked nacelle]

but you still have to deal with limitations of pipe segments -- mk1 can't flow more than 300

[random garnet]

One pump per generator and they still struggle for water whatttt

[stable prairie]

My current consumption is 1,393.8MW of power, and my production is only 562.5MW

[wicked nacelle]

1 100% extractor can run a 250% coal gen

wtf are you doing on coal???

[stable prairie]

I have about 10 power storages to cover my deficit

[wicked nacelle]

power storage doesn't fix long-term deficit power

[stable prairie]

Says I have 2 hours of power to spare, but I have my doubts

[wicked nacelle]

it only covers spikes

you're trolling or VERY confused

[ocean frost]

power storage also helps to delay when you need to upgrade power

[stable prairie]

I opted for truck transport instead of 3,000m belts this run

[lofty forge]

power storages are meant for backup/emergency/sommersloop burst what are you doing

[stable prairie]

I'm also prepping moving to geothermal to aid my deficit

[ocean frost]

also means you aren't wasting extra capacity.

[wicked nacelle]

if you're spiking. not if you're not

[stable prairie]

I've got maybe 8 somersloops focusing into everything for phase 3, and I've been trying to get through phase 3 for 3 days now

[wicked nacelle]

the amount of power storage you need to deal wth geo is VERY small

[stable prairie]

It's a lot of idling

[lofty forge]

you have 2 hours to upgrade your power plant

[random garnet]

I think I’ve done this the best I can…

I got 3 pure oil eztractors 250% overclocked so they can use the tier 2 pipes.

Then I got 2 normal and 1 impure…. I dunno wether to combine the two normal into a mk2 pipe or combine the impure with one of the normals into a mk2 pipe

[stable prairie]

I'll remove all the somersloops if I run out of time, but imma ride it out for now

I produce 200MW more than I need without somersloops in my system

[ocean frost]

what are you doing that you need to turn 3 oil nodes all into power?

[lofty forge]

oh okay. i got scared. i thought you were trying to use storages as a cheap power plant fix. let it charge up then we can work for 2 hours type of stuff.

[random garnet]

Is that aimed at me?

[ocean frost]

it was out out of curiosity

[stable prairie]

Thanks to my smart splitter system, my power consumption is spread out all over the place, my consumption ranges from 300MW to 1,393.8MW at any given moment

[random garnet]

Oh I dunno. I was just gonna make a BIG oil power plant for the fun of it

[wicked nacelle]

that doesn't make even a little sense

[lofty forge]

me when slooped 250% manufacturer

[stable prairie]

I've done that with like 4 of them

It's kinda nice that the Mark 3 belts are so slow. 270 items/min is a good speed for production, but it also prevents my system from running at peak performance and electrical consumption

The right systems have ample material, but the ones that don't need as much are drastically slowed

[random garnet]

Right what’s best here to MAXIMISE how I much crude I’m getting.
Keep in mind allll extractors are 250% overclocked

Should I combine the 2 normal nodes to a mk2 line or do I combine the impure one to a normal one

[stable prairie]

Do whatever maxes out your flow

[random garnet]

So whatever fills a pipe?

[stable prairie]

I've never made it to oil yet, but overproducing is never a bad thing

I've got a solid chunk of caterium going into the awesome sink

[lofty forge]

whatever you feel like, it still gets to the other end at a reliable rate. although keep in mind that pipes usually dont stay at a steady 300/600 a min.

[stable prairie]

I tossed in a fourth water extractor in my system and I'm finally profiting

[random garnet]

I could maybe underclock one of the pure pipes to then combine with the impure 🤔

[stable prairie]

Don't know how you'd benefit from that

[ocean frost]

why not just OC the pure and work with 600

[lofty forge]

you could but, wouldnt that get you less oil?

[random garnet]

I want all the oil, ima suck this planet dry of oil

[stable prairie]

Most you're getting is 600, doesn't matter how many nodes it takes

[lofty forge]

my vote is on combining impure and normal into a mk2 so that it can handle bursts.

[stable prairie]

You could run it parallel

[charred sandal]

Nothjing happens to buildings you build outside the zone right?

Like, the area where you take damage

[lofty forge]

yeah

[random garnet]

Nah. Cos they are all on spectate pipes going into large fluid buffers which then in turn go into the train station to be constantly moved to be made into power

[lofty forge]

you mean the map border right

[charred sandal]

yeah. My nuclear factory is in a canyon near the bottom border and I think ima build my waste storage beneath it

like outside the bounds

[stable prairie]

Crazy part about my truck depot system is that I'm getting more limestone and copper than I do iron, and iron is setup with a mark 2 miner

Copper and limestones are mark 1 at 1%

[random garnet]

Will it affect my flow and system at all if I just have all the pipes be mk2???

Even if the pump day can’t fill up the mk2 pipe

[lofty forge]

does your copper and limeston have better belts, all of which combine into 1 belt

[lofty forge]

no not really, you might have sloshing but that only becomes a real problem when you need 600/300

[random garnet]

Sloshing?

[lofty forge]

the liquid in the pipes going back and forth creating an uneven flow rate

[random garnet]

So just to be safe stick to mk1 so it doesn’t do that

[lofty forge]

usually happens when a big space suddenly opens up and liquid starts rushing

if you just put a pipe (no buffers! none!!1!) then max overclocked pures will be constantly full allowing a steady 600/min, normal will be full at a 300 ---- comfortable in mk2, impure+normal will be comfortable with mk2

[stable prairie]

Copper and limestone are on mark 1 belts and the iron is on mark 3

Copper and limestone feed into the bottom input of the truck depot and the iron feeds into the top

[surreal meteor]

It won't help anyways. The flow will still be bottlenecked by the horizontal pipes.

[stable prairie]

Pipes with intersections will always cause flow problems

I've got 2 fluid buffers in my system to help prevent instantaneous water deficit, and it seems that it slows my flow down, so I need the fourth extractor

[lofty forge]

unless you completely fill them up, so that liquid cannot move

[ocean frost]

you just need to give the fluids somewhere to go for the most part

[charred sandal]

There some calculator for waste to storage for time?

[lofty forge]

which just so happens to conveniently be whatever you got the fluid for in the first place!

[ocean frost]

ideally you don't want fluids going the back the way they came.

[stable prairie]

My power storage now says it'll last 20 hours with no changes, I'm confused

I think I may be playing the game wrong

[frail sleet]

I've got 2 fluid buffers in my system to help prevent instantaneous water deficit

This does not exist as a problem due to the machine buffer and pipe overfill mechanics.

It sounds like you're introducing a real problem in trying to fix an imaginary one

[lofty forge]

that is weird... as far as i know truck stops start emptying the inventory from top left and goes horizontally just like how a sentence is written. same goes for train stations as well. maybe you had a buffering issue along the way, due to iron filling the thing up too much?

[stable prairie]

I'll check everything in about 20 minutes

Afk for now

[ocean frost]

having one truck stop deliver 3 different items is insane

[clear aspen]

Does no one here know bna?

I feel like I’m alone in knowing peak

[lofty forge]

i have a series of tractors delivering 3 types of ore to a train station. if you have too much ore than it will slowly back up until it clogs the entire path where nothing works anymore cuz the 2nd ore took all the space and now it isnt consumed due to the other 2 missing which clogs it up even more

it you have too little than the machines work efficiently, thats pretty much it

if you can get it to work tho, trucks/tractors have insane throughput potential, and now you are doing it with no belts!

[lofty forge]

bna?

[clear aspen]

It’s an anime

Created by trigger studios

[sharp haven]

is 33 x 36 ( 1m Foundation) space big enough for a factory?

[frail sleet]

yesnt

[lofty forge]

this is completely dependent on what you are building and how much you are building

[sharp haven]

Im trying to build a mega factory where everything goes in and anything I need comes out

[tawny pasture]

yall building kinda hard here (first time playin) its make me depressed xD

how to make circles?

[charred sandal]

I somehow dont think I made nearly enough storage for my waste

🙁

[lofty forge]

dont know on console. on pc place a foundation then when placing another foundation hover your mouse on top of the foundation you built, hold ctrl then mouse wheel. this lets you make tiny degree changes

[tawny pasture]

damn nice

[lofty forge]

i cant really answer that question but, everything everything from phase 1 to phase 5? if you are talking about 1 mega modular blueprint that can change items on a whim that not really possible in the base game.

[clear aspen]

I wanna be pinged

[random garnet]

Annoyingly one of my fluid freight stations can only have one fluid buffer piped into it so it’s SEVERALY slower at filling up than the other two carts that have 2 fluid buffers feeding them

[sharp haven]

Alr alr thank you!

[lofty forge]

if you kinda want to see your plan then you can try https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production "satisfactory tools" the website, maybe that could give you a basic idea.

[random garnet]

I think I set up my Oil Field quite well. Wish I could of had 6 pipes going into fluid buffers or atleast somehow have two pipes coming out the middle fluid buffer to go into the train station as the middle fluid freight platform fills up a lot slower than the others do.

#screenshots

[sharp haven]

Thanky you again! I'll give it a try

[random garnet]

Ok now I’m confused… one of my fluid buffers is NOT filling up anymore???

[quick hound]

Sorry, my fault. I’ve been drinking out of them

[random garnet]

You owe me sloops

[quick hound]

I ate those too

is that why I’ve been pooping every like 2 hours?

[lofty forge]

even more logistics yay!! trains have a throughput limit depending on how long the trip takes. they always carry at their max potential until nothing is left anymore!

in this case its the pipes and buffer being empty!

[random garnet]

Ahhh it just needed a pump on it lol. I guess the fluid inside the buffer was pushing back into the pipes 🤷🏻‍♂️

[lofty forge]

unless the pipes and buffers and the train station on the recieving end is completely full

[random garnet]

They are all full of sweeeeet beautiful crude

[quick hound]

hey I’ve been eating these strange small strips of paper you had, and they taste weird. I think it said Ficsit on it?

[lofty forge]

buffer fluid height is added on to the max pump height yes

[ocean frost]

are all the pumps 600?

[random garnet]

All of them BUT the one that can only transport 300 as the pump is normal

I left one mk1 pipe going into a fluid buffer to avoid sloshing or whatever it is

[sullen gull]

Pumps do not affect flow rates. They are ONLY for headlift. And if you have a buffer, you need enough headlift to push to the TOP of the buffer.

[quick hound]

Gil, I’ve been eating these strange somersloops things.. but uhh.. I’ve been pooping every 3 hours, do you think I may have eaten something to upset ma tummy?

[sullen gull]

Slight correction in that pumps do affect the direction of flow.

[stable prairie]

After some time away, my system is finally predominantly iron now

[ocean frost]

just remember the max a train can transport is 896.52 m³/min per wagon or just under 1.5 mk.2 pipes

[quick hound]

Hey Gill, do you have any Mercer spheres I can eat?

[random garnet]

Huh it says they can transport 1.600m??

[lofty forge]

middle station has 1 pipe going into it > fills train station slower > (fills at the same height level as buffer maybe). Side stations has 2 pipes going into them > fills faster > overflowing liquid fills buffers faster.

[ocean frost]

that's how much it can hold

[lofty forge]

isnt this theoratical max completely dependant on trip time. if the trip is short enough you can transport 2 max mk2 pipes

[ocean frost]

if the trip time was zero that would be the max

[random garnet]

So it takes about 2 minutes and 40 seconds for the train to take about 4.600m of crude to my oil power plant

I saw guide type video of oil power showing someone turning fuel into diluted fuel? Then in packaging to back into fuel to get more fuel I plan to do that

[lofty forge]

stealty here is the wiki link for train throughtput https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput

[random garnet]

Throughout?

[lofty forge]

the wiki does say 896.52 cubic meters/min

[wicked nacelle]

Types diluted fuel and packaged diluted fuel are the same efficiency

Just packaged version you can get much sooner because of building requirements

[random garnet]

I wanna turn this crude oil into the most amount of fuel I can

[quick hound]

not if I drink the entire well!

[misty fjord]

@speedyj1234 @speedyj1234 @speedyj1234

[lofty forge]

okay sry had to double check cuz i have a train with 2 mk2 pipes that was averaging high numbers. turns out that guy delivers 502 a min

[random garnet]

How do I see how much MY train delivers per minute???

[ocean frost]

If the round trip takes more than 1min and 50 sec you will also see a reduction in efficiency, more trains is needed.

[lofty forge]

freight platform ui "outgoing transfer rate" gives a rough idea.

[quick hound]

Hi Gill!

[random garnet]

Ok I got 3 freight fluid platforms that each day about 130m a minute I THINK atleast I didn’t get a good look before I had to jump back on the train so about maybe 390m a minute??

[lofty forge]

the character

[random garnet]

Then again that could be not like calculating it properly as the fluid station was nearly full and not all good the trains fluid could be unloaded so it may be under the actual value

[clear aspen]

Episode guess?

[ocean frost]

ping yourself

[clear aspen]

No cause I know every episode

[random garnet]

Ok I think it’s definitely moving more per minute than it says it probably just isn’t calculating it well right now cos they are two full

[lofty forge]

i know but the station is in a very cramped area and if i put more stations than the rails will start clipping the walls and i like how compact it looks. and it also has the privilage of being a bi-directional railway. i will have to make it a 2 way with a bigger station at some point

[clear aspen]

Can someone ping me please

[random garnet]

More trains as in another train transporting a set of cargo or more carts?

[clear aspen]

I need to get an accuracy rating on this server

[lofty forge]

you could do that 2 trains opposite side of each other i do it for one of my stations. it helps with consistency

[ocean frost]

Another train, but it depends on how much oil you are processing

[lofty forge]

yeah unfortunately its not that reliable mine is showing 491 now, it was also showing 537 a few moments ago

[random garnet]

I mean my tracks are set up to have two trains pass by each other

[ocean frost]

how long does a round trip take?

[random garnet]

Round trip is there and back right?

[ocean frost]

yep

[random garnet]

I timed it awhile ago and it was about 2:41.90

[lofty forge]

4??? (is it the one with the raconn/tanuki girl?. i have no idea)

[stable prairie]

Apparently the server restarts when you play offline

[random garnet]

I THINK my oil field can supply two trains doing constant round trips back and fourth? Atleast I hope it can not sure how I’d be able to tell if it can

[lofty forge]

satisfactory despite being a single player game starts acting weird when you have no internet and i have no idea why

[median dirge]

really?

[random garnet]

My game was originally an online game but it’s now solo so I get to deal with issues when my internet struggles

[stable prairie]

Maybe the fact I've been playing offline is the reason I've dealt with dozens of bugs, but then again, I'm also on console

[ocean frost]

2:41 is about 2.66 minutes

1600m3 / 2.66 = 600 m3/min per wagon

[stable prairie]

First release of any game on console always has issues, that's a given

[clear aspen]

All have michiru, I want u to chose a difficulty easy medium, difficult, impossible, or impossible²

[random garnet]

I have 3 wagons

[lofty forge]

the main bug is that when you load any save file you ALWAYS spawn at the hub with no inventory, then you have to kill your past self to get your inventory back

[stable prairie]

That's surprisingly one I haven't experienced

[random garnet]

at my oil field I have 3 fluid stations 2 being loaded by two mk2 pipes and one fluid stop is being filled by one mk2 pipe

[stable prairie]

For me it's usually factories and belts losing all their configurations and items when loading back in

[random garnet]

I’ve never had or seen that one lol

[lofty forge]

oh thats

much worse

[stable prairie]

It's taken me 4 days to get 432 versatile framework cause of it

And I'm still trying to pass phase 3

[lofty forge]

or at least equal cuz your past self doesnt show up on your map either. so i always hoped i remember where i quit the game. otherwise an entire inventory is gone

[ocean frost]

its like having a miner that mines at 1200 / min but a belt that can only transport at 780/min

[lofty forge]

IT INCLUDES STORAGES AND THE SPACE ELEVATOR??

[stable prairie]

Nah, I got lucky that that's archived

It's just the materials and setup to start making the framework again

Sever just reset mid-save, here's to hoping I didn't corrupt another 80+ hour save

Oh, it's fine, you don't even need to reload in

[lofty forge]

are you guys reporting the bugs to the forum? it would actually be really good if you did since console is very new.

[stable prairie]

Would if I could

I go to the forum and there's no option for me to post anywhere

Wonder if you can only do bug reports on PC, not mobile

[lofty forge]

you do have to make an account but it doesnt require an email. just a username and password

[stable prairie]

I did, and it did require an email

Just no option to post a bug report anywhere

[lofty forge]

wait really? let me check.

[stable prairie]

It takes you to the Q&A page, but you can't post there

[lofty forge]

oh it does require an email... https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/login since when? i dont remember making one thats unfortunate

[lofty forge]

medium.

[lofty forge]

rabbit girl. ep6?

[clear aspen]

There’s no rabbit?

[stable prairie]

Apparently nobody's made a single bug report for the current console version

[random garnet]

I made the 1000 odd vers frames in about 2 days ish. I amped up production loads with bats and sloops and whenever I got in from work I let the game run for awhile before I went to sleep

[lofty forge]

oh i mistook the ears. desert fox? girl

[clear aspen]

I sent the episode in #off-topic-media

[stable prairie]

I've been dealing with items getting deleted and having to reset factories

I might try and let the game run overnight seeing I'll only be sleeping for 7 hours anyways

I just hope I don't brick another save

[lofty forge]

are my messages being sent?

i get a cooldown but no text

[clear aspen]

No u need to do it in off topic gen

[hard steeple]

I've got a very dumb question. I have 3 water extractors leading into a water buffer, then into 8 coal factories.

Currently I'm at MK1 pipes, so I am restricted to 300, so only 6 of my factories actually function normally.

Is there a way to do this fuel all 8, or do I just need to wait for MK2 pipes?

i could just try to speghetti more pipes everywhere, but im not sure that will solve the issue

[lofty forge]

1. did you put pumps for the vertical height the water travels? 2) are all 3 extractors going thru a single pipe?

[ocean frost]

You can pipe one on the left side on the right and one in the middle

[hard steeple]

so.. i just need to make sure they dont connect at all then

[ocean frost]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[lofty forge]

the image

[ocean frost]

Pick one and call it a day

[hard steeple]

oooh

ok, that actually helps, thank you. since my setup is so far away, i think I need to do that bottom one

[lofty forge]

3 extractors give 360. pipe take 300. solution some extractors get their own pipe

[ocean frost]

Where have you made your coal plant

[hard steeple]

the coal plant is neat the northern forest start, but my water is in the lake SE of that spawn

i should just move all my operations over there

[ocean frost]

You don't need to have your power near your production

[hard steeple]

oh yeah.. this isn't hard to fix at all, thanks again 🙂

[steel kelp]

how do i get the lines in satisfactory modeller to be straight lol

oh i found it dw

[random garnet]

I’ve now set up fluid buffers to start taking all the fluid out of the trains drop off point so I can let it run for awhile without it getting full so I can see the true Crude per minute by my train line

[cunning lily]

If I've upgraded the Space Elevator a few times, and I dismantle it and build it elsewhere... it keeps its upgrades, riiiight? o_o

[random garnet]

Yes

The space elevator itself doesn’t really upgrade its more so the space station it attaches to

Would turning my heavy oil residue into “diluted packaged fuel” then unpacking it back into the pipes to fuel my generators give me MORE fuel?

[abstract heron]

Whelp i just did a 117 to 120 belting project now into the base

[warped parcel]

How screwed am I getting the golden nut because I bought everything from the shop

[quick hound]

Shred things.

[warped parcel]

I'm just now realizing, after 10x'ing my BWD factory that I'm not even half way to 1000 yet and it's still going to take ages

oh you can do that?

[random garnet]

Wtf my fuse just blew????? Somehow???

[warped parcel]

me two hours ago

[lofty forge]

yes. it gives you, so much more fuel. you have to mess with packagers but the result is good, also at phase 4 you will unlock a machine that doesnt require for the packages.

alt recipes in general are better than the base recipes

[random garnet]

I legit have coal plants making SO MUCH power indefinitely how did they blow?!?

I’m so lost…

[quick hound]

This is why you make spare batteries, one attached to your power grid, and one that once fully charged that is unattached (to kickstart power grids)

[random garnet]

I was producing like 1,200mw and not even using 500????

[lofty forge]

did you have a bunch of biomass burners that you just forgot about?

[warped parcel]

you saying I can shred the statues?

[quick hound]

Er.. no.

[warped parcel]

or just wait while everything shreds over time

[random garnet]

No I haven’t used bio burners since I kick started coal

[warped parcel]

damn, maybe I just SCIM some coupons

[quick hound]

Or dupe them! I can dm you something

[warped parcel]

gonna take so long and a lot of electricity bill to get them

[lofty forge]

intended purpose. throw the excess items into the sink

[warped parcel]

well yeah i know

Only one way I would've gotten this far in the first place lol

[random garnet]

I’m actually so lost… for some reason I’m only producing like 600mw???? Despite having two coal plants and everything was running PERFECTLY fine till now?

This is actually gonna piss me off I can’t figure out what’s causing this fuse to blow

[lofty forge]

did you make fuel from that crude oil you were transporting?

did the train get clogged

[random garnet]

No I’ve been flushing it once it got delivered for the time being to see how much it delivered per minute

What on earth why is my grid using like 1,000 mw all of a sudden

[lofty forge]

did you shut off the extractors? max OC d extractors eat like 120mw each

[random garnet]

It blew when it turned night cos the lights turned on???

[lofty forge]

that could be a reason

[random garnet]

Even when they are not able to pump anymore oil?

[lofty forge]

you told me you flushed it. meaning that it has empty space to pump still

also the light do use power but small amounts. 6mw for each flood lights

street lamps use 1

[random garnet]

I guess ima need a ton of battery’s for awhile till oil power starts

[cursive crane]

Chances are there is something wrong with your setup, check all the coal gens to see if they have coal/water.
If you cant figure it out, use photo mode and get pictures of as much as you can and post in #1038092680493801533

[warped parcel]

JK I FOUND 400 MORE TICKETS IN A RANDOM CHEST I LEFT

[quick hound]

WHOOP WHOOP!

[warped parcel]

Only 100 more to go

[quick hound]

YOINK! imma eat these :>

[warped parcel]

I must've cashed out a while back and forgotten

I haven't gotten a bunch of alien dna either so I can sloop some more of that

[quick hound]

hey these coupon things are pretty chewy

[warped parcel]

I've got legit golden nut ez

[random garnet]

I have two alt recipes I was thinking of using.

I have one recipe that makes heavy oil residue (alt: heavy oil residue) which makes 4m of heavy oil for 3 crude oil.

And the other was diluted packaged fuel

[lofty forge]

oh god its the combinaton

[random garnet]

Ould them two receipts complement each other good?

[lofty forge]

y e s

[random garnet]

“The” combination?

[cursive crane]

Very common power lol

[clear aspen]

Hello Chet

[random garnet]

I accidentally picked up heavy oil residue alt and was thinking it could maybe work well

[cursive crane]

I have a 32000mw power station using that combo. Def people who make much more out of it

[random garnet]

So it’s the best combo?

[lofty forge]

heavy oil residue into diluted fuel is the first step to insane fuel efficiencies

[quick hound]

hey uhh,so I’ve eaten like 20of your coupon thinggys, they’re very chewy

[cursive crane]

^ for that purpose yea

[random garnet]

Wait so what one should I do?

Heavy oil residue to fuel or heavy oil residue to diluted packaged fuel

[warped parcel]

That's fine I've had a couple myself

Can afford it now that I found another 400

[cursive crane]

Need a massive space to make it. And the piping can be a bit much for some people

[quick hound]

I ate 100 of them

[cursive crane]

Diluted, but its a bit more complicated

[lofty forge]

how much effort are willing to put in

[warped parcel]

YOU SAID 20

[lofty forge]

residual fuel is simple but less fuel

[quick hound]

I lied.

[cursive crane]

Before you do diluted make a smaller build of residual to learn things

[random garnet]

It doesn’t seem that much more complicated

[cursive crane]

Overcommitting to a build much larger than you are ready for is like the main place people burn out of satisfactory

[random garnet]

Just gotta make heavy oil from crude then have it turned into packages to then end I packaged back into pipes to pump into the fuel network

[lofty forge]

diluted fuel is more complicated but by just adding water you increase your production, + you have to deal with packagers and the closed loop with canisters

[random garnet]

I think I’m past the “possibly” burning out from big builds stage already I’ve already iver complicated my fuel power by having a train take crude to a differnt location lol

[quick hound]

hey I might’ve eaten the power line to your awesome sink.

[lofty forge]

true, make sure the build is finishable first

[warped parcel]

Which one? I've got like 100 sinks

[quick hound]

all of them

[warped parcel]

shid

[quick hound]

I was craving cable spaghetti

[cursive crane]

Diluted takes blenders. Which if you havent gotten to yet..

[warped parcel]

It's more of a rigatoni

[random garnet]

Oh lord battery’s take a whole hour to charge real time 💀

[random garnet]

Blenders?

[lofty forge]

phase 4 buildings

[random garnet]

No I can just make diluted packaged fuel in the refinery?

[quick hound]

Yeah, it’s an animation software

[lofty forge]

does it count as spoilers?

[cursive crane]

Thats residual not diluted

[lofty forge]

refinery does have a diluted packaged recipe

[random garnet]

It doesn’t say residuel it says “alternate: diluted packaged fuel”

Costs 1 heavy oil and 2 packaged water to make 2 fuel cans

[quick hound]

hey uhh.. I found these torpedo looking things, and I ate like 50 of them. Tasted like a potato mixed with a carrot

[lofty forge]

the wiki page is not updated??

fuel doesnt have packaged diluted in it

heavy oil residue does

[cursive crane]

Gotchu. Yeaaaa.. i wouldnt do that. Lots of extra power to make something you can do with blenders.
I strongly advise doing residual first. Make a 5-10gw build of that then do the other stuff

It is your playthrough though, so completely up to you 🙂

[random garnet]

Ahhh it’s my oil field that uses all the power 💀 asoon as the train arrived and picked up crude I saw it rose from 200mw to 1250mw

[median geyser]

Are there known power settings for an aluminum setup that lets you run one contained loop?

[random garnet]

Do blenders not take power aswell?

[median geyser]

Im constantly either overloaded with water, or out of silica

[cursive crane]

Its more complicated to integrate the packagers before and after, you need less blenders to do the same thing thus space and possibly power savings

!wikisearch aluminum setup

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=aluminum+setup

[random garnet]

My monorails platforms say the crude oil is coming in at about 206 per minute for all 3

[lofty forge]

sorry for spoilers otherwise its just going to get more confusing. "blender" is a building like a refinery. it has 2 solid an 2 liquid inputs. the blender version doesnt use canisters and therefore the setup is simpler

[cursive crane]

Theres a diagram for it somewhere, cant find it

[random garnet]

So I’m getting about 618 crude oil arriving per minute that should be enough for a big power plant right?

[median geyser]

All good, that should be simple enough to follow, ty

[random garnet]

Ohhhhh so the blender will in turn use less power cos I don’t have to unpackage the fuel?

[cursive crane]

Yep. You just pipe the HOR straight into blenders, but you also need to blend water

Which is where it gets complicated

Def look up both options. But either way you are going to need some more power before you do all thay

1200mw while running trains and a oil factory is wild lol

[random garnet]

So you would recommend atleast to start with just do heavy oil residue into fuel into the power plants

[random garnet]

Wild in a good way or bad 😂

[lofty forge]

the blender also gets unlocked in phase 4 which you are not currently at

[quick hound]

Hey, man.. quick question, do you need this nuclear pasta I found? I’m hungry

[warped parcel]

Nah go for it, I've got like 5 industrial container buffers full of it

[quick hound]

casually starts feasting on the nuclear pasta

[quick hound]

I ate it all

[lofty forge]

diluted setup gives 1648 fuel. which means 82.4 fuel generators.

[random garnet]

😮

Tahts a lot of power

[lofty forge]

which gives 20,600 mws

[quick hound]

And 20,600 more reasons to want to kms

[random garnet]

How much power would just doing the heavy oil residue method get me power wise

[quick hound]

hey uhh, I think I broke your machines while eating all of your nuclear pasta

[lofty forge]

549.333333333 fuel

[silk ocean]

You can type decimal places into the percentage etc to tweak the clock

[lofty forge]

27.44444444 generators

[silk ocean]

So just set the 28th generator to 0.444444

[lofty forge]

for 6866.6666 mws

[quick hound]

how the hell do you place 44% of a fuel generator

[lofty forge]

44% clock

underclock

[silk ocean]

44.444444% clockspeed

[quick hound]

that doesn’t make sense. I asked how does one place 44% of a fuel Gen?

[hard ivy]

You place one, at 44.4444% speed

[silk ocean]

or set them all balanced:
27.444444 / 28 = 98.01586

[hard ivy]

Though I'd always calculate for a whole number of gens at 100 or 250%

[lofty forge]

no this is so much worse dont do this

[hard ivy]

Dunno why y'all choose to deal with tractional ones

[silk ocean]

It kinda is yeah, just do 44.44444%

It doesn't allow enough decimal places to get it precise with the "balanced" method

[hard ivy]

Actually you should set it to 400/9, not 44.4444

[silk ocean]

Can you do that as a faction, or it just converts to decimal?

[cursive crane]

Overclock the refineries and it gets a lot more reasonable on machine count

[quick hound]

Guys, why do I taste metal and might be glowing green?

[lofty forge]

Your answer is for 6866.6666 mws, you just have to do some ratio calculations with a calculator. the ingame search box (you get it by pressing "n") also functions as a calculator (very good).

[silk ocean]

I think it only displays 4 decimal places from memory?

Need to fire up the game

[random garnet]

I’m now completly fascinated by the power augmentor… this thing makes some funkyyyyy noises

Not quite sure how it works tbh

[silk ocean]

Jump into the beam and you ragdoll

"Perfectly safe" otherwise

[hard ivy]

Displays 4. But I have reasons to suspect that it stores more than that, at least if you do a calculation instead of typing in the speed directly

[silk ocean]

I suspect it's essentially a float, so would make sense that it's a lot more accurate under the hood yeah, entering a calculation is a great tip, i'll do that in future

[lofty forge]

behold. the painful screams of a somersloop, technically its +500mw+(10% total power production)

[quick hound]

guys, why am I glowing green?

[cursive crane]

||500 flat mw of power. Plus 10% of the total for each augmenter||

[quick hound]

I can taste metal

[hard ivy]

Idk if it doesn't get rounded to 4 before it gets used, but at least it seems to be stored with more precision than 4

[random garnet]

Can you place multiple 🤔

[cursive crane]

Just wash it down with some shiny yellow barrels of fluid you'll be aight

[random garnet]

Ah wait it costs loads of sloops ahhhhh damn

[quick hound]

How do I power the power augmented?

[random garnet]

It is just running somehow???

It has an input slot though? For something?

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch power+augmenter

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=power+augmenter

[hard ivy]

It's a generator. It doesn't need powering

[cursive crane]

Spoilers^

[hard ivy]

Matrices. Don't worry about it

[random garnet]

[silk ocean]

It seems like unnecessary overhead to round it before doing computation in the code but you may be right yea, shrug

[hard ivy]

Tier 9 stuff

[quick hound]

Hey uhh.. what happens if I. Somehow have over 800 sloops?

[silk ocean]

If I had to guess I'd say the UI just simply only displays 4 DP to keep it clean

[hard ivy]

Then you can place 80 augmenters

[random garnet]

Is that even possible…

[silk ocean]

Not without editing the save

[random garnet]

This things so cool though

[quick hound]

DON’T ASK!

[quick hound]

I’m on ps5

[silk ocean]

There are only 106 sloops in the world

[silk ocean]

Out of luck I guess

[hard ivy]

If you have a save since very early in development, yes. Or cheats

[random garnet]

HOW!!

[quick hound]

I JUST DO!

SAME WITH 900 MERCER SPHERES!

[random garnet]

I have 200 mercer spheres somehow

[silk ocean]

There are plenty of Mercers, I doubt you'll need 298 Dimensional Depots

[random garnet]

Not sure how they kinda just showed up in my inventory…

I’m so confused as to why though

[silk ocean]

(minus whatever required for research, 1 or 2 or something)

[quick hound]

but what do I do with 800+ Mercer spheres?

[silk ocean]

Nothing

They are basically only useful to build Depots

[quick hound]

well looks like I’m force feeding them to lizard dOgGoS again

[silk ocean]

Keep them I'd say

I've probably got about 60 Dimensional Depots, maybe a bit more, but certainly not 800

[random garnet]

I can’t even get rid of mercer’s don’t let me

[silk ocean]

You never know when you might need them, and if you have 800 Mercers then you've have hacked the save

[hard ivy]

You can flush them down the toilet if you want

[quick hound]

what about having 15 thousand coupons? Without BWDs?

[silk ocean]

What about it? Nothing to spend that many on

[random garnet]

I think I may… it feels cheaty as I think my game must’ve glitched

[quick hound]

for fuck sake

[silk ocean]

Why are you wanting to cheat anyway, takes away any value of the game

Cheating is always a hollow experience

[quick hound]

I did t cheat, I found a couple glitches

Didnt*

[silk ocean]

You can cheat if you want, I'm not the cheat-police xD

[random garnet]

Isn’t that technically cheating?

[hard ivy]

You know you can edit discord messages, right?

[quick hound]

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT AND I HAD TO TEST IT 😭

[random garnet]

Lol

[quick hound]

I found a sloop and Mercer that didn’t disappear when I picked them up and kind of just.. went brain-dead grabbing mode and grabbed way too many

[random garnet]

You sat there to grab 800 each…

[quick hound]

yes.

maybe more

I think it must’ve been glitched or a dev did something

Cause it was hidden inside of a small area at the void edge

anyway.. EEPY TIME!

[hard ivy]

Is it still there?

[shy mulch]

Why did you artificially add more if you didn't need them?

[vocal shuttle]

Why not

[random garnet]

Tbh I thought I’d have to have Sam Inputing into the augmentor for it to work

[shy mulch]

?

[whole drum]

If you're old school like me, Yes. Exploiting glitches is cheating. Doesn't have to be save editing or some weird method of duping.

[random garnet]

I mean I’m 23 is that old school 😂

[whole drum]

That said, this game is very much a "play how you enjoy it" type of game.

[abstract heron]

WOW i think i found something out wow

is this true?

is sasiska, with a total of 37,995 hours. on Satisfactory

😮 😮 😮 😮

[random garnet]

I think the only way I’d “cheat” is if I had a way to give myself the hard drives I maybe would

[dense violet]

yeah, duping is 'cheating'

but it's a sand box

[whole drum]

I think sloops/spheres are the only thing I would consider cheating, if I were going to

[abstract heron]

wow

[whole drum]

Just saves me from scraping the map for the xxth time

[random garnet]

Is there only a limited amount?

[dense violet]

eh, there's infinite more of them than you need

[ivory condor]

What

rip

[abstract heron]

@wise ice

[whole drum]

I know. It would just save me the hours and hours of walking the map when I just want DDs.

[dense violet]

I mean they are everywhere.

more common than hard drives I think

[random garnet]

I can’t get over how cool this augmentor is!

[whole drum]

I also need a lot more of them than I do HDs

[wise ice]

lol, that's probably more than i've managed across every game i've played in the last 10 years

[whole drum]

But I just get bored of having to go collect them sometimes

[abstract heron]

the game was probbaly out in 2019 on epic but steam since 2020 AND HOW

[ivory condor]

Really is this real?

[abstract heron]

if i can dm u something i will

[ivory condor]

yes

[wise ice]

it's 104 hours per day for 1 year

so 4 years online 24/7

[whole drum]

There's also just leaving it running

Hours =/= play time

[mortal ginkgo]

It could be a dedicated server running.

[ivory condor]

there arent 104 hours in a day though, thats impossible math

[silk ocean]

I have my LAN server running 24/7, has about 5000 hours now xD

[abstract heron]

i have atm 17,675hr TOTAL

[mortal ginkgo]

Imma sneak in. Put limestones on your belts!

[abstract heron]

@mortal ginkgo

[silk ocean]

Love a bit of limestone belt contam xD

[whole drum]

24 x 365 x 4 = 35,040

Probably a dedicated server

[glossy pagoda]

If you stacked mergers one in front of the other and link them would the resources go faster since it gets spat out the other side quicker?

[wise ice]

maybe a very lazy method of running dedicated server by setting it up as a permanent hosted session

[whole drum]

No

[ivory condor]

I just did the math, its possible, thats 15 hours per day

because from ea release date until today is 2438 days, so the math can work

I mean 15 hours per day is nuts, but its possible

[hard ivy]

You won't get more items/min, but the items will get to the other end faster. But that only matters at the start. Once the first item makes it to the end, there's no difference. Except the mergers will definitely create more lag

[whole drum]

However, if you build enough storage boxes super close together in a sequence with the fastest belt, this is slightly faster because it skips the travel distance of the length of the box.

[feral geyser]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they be 🐯

[glossy pagoda]

Even better

[whole drum]

Once you have mk4+, it may not make a difference tho

Would have to actually calculate the box length and travel time required

[random garnet]

I wish my mate still played this game with me

[steady cedar]

doesnt that only really matter for just reaching the other end quicker? i doesnt really effect the item rate so why do you wanna do that?

[ivory condor]

there are some crazy high times on this ladder 37k, 35k, 33k, 32k, etc

[whole drum]

Correct. It's pointless.

It's basically the SF version of the "peasant railgun" idea in D&D

[wise ice]

replacing belts with storage containers is also more calculations for your computer pulling things in and out all the time. And the uobjects consumed by storage containers, though that's probably negligible.

achieving nothing and hurting your performance

[whole drum]

Pretty much

For the lulz, if anything

[abstract heron]

And with the game on for 5 years on steam

[ivory condor]

technically its 6.6 years

[random garnet]

I can’t wait to unlock the train signals then I can safely set up two trains to do my oil run

[ivory condor]

getting closer to 7 actually

[abstract heron]

Going to ask Mikael if there is a video this Friday and show them that

Later I mean

[ivory condor]

show him the ladder with that 37k hours, i'm sure they'll like it

I mean that is some....dedication to the game

[abstract heron]

Now or later it’s early for them

[random garnet]

So for setting up my oil power plant how many refiners would I need per fluid power generator?

[wicked nacelle]

Depends on fuel type

!wikisearch fuel generator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel+generator

[abstract heron]

And how much

[wicked nacelle]

It’s in the wiki

[random garnet]

I’m still deciding but I’m either gonna do the HOR + Packaged diluted fuel or just the HOR version on its own

[abstract heron]

I built my first fuel power in spitecoadt

[wicked nacelle]

I mean fuel
Turbo fuel
Or rocket fuel.

[random garnet]

There’s differnt types of fuel…

[wicked nacelle]

And you can change over time

Build some for fuel then turn the fuel into turbo and build more. Turn turn turbo into rocket and build more

[wary perch]

I’d get there quicker if I could have other liquids in my coffee cup

[random garnet]

I don’t even know how to make turbo fuel lol I just got fuel power

[whole drum]

Just check the wiki for how much fuel each gen consumes for the fuel type you want to make

It's simple multiplication/division

Generators always produce the same power amount, but higher tier fuels are more efficient, so use less fuel to do it--so you have to build a lot more gens.

[glossy pagoda]

There is still a big difference since it quite literally teleports from the entrance to the exit of the container

[dense violet]

... except item velocity is meaningless

[whole drum]

I haven't tested it on high tier belts, but they are so fast that the "teleport" thing may not be significantly faster

[cursive crane]

32gw go brrr
250% oced refineries and generators. So imagine 2.5x this amount of machines
#screenshots message

[dense violet]

throughput is the only meaningful thing about anything with belts, this won't increase throughput

[glossy pagoda]

Maybe but from what I understand it will still be faster with containers since it teleports

[whole drum]

Objectively it will be faster either way, but what I'm saying is that a mk6 belt covers that distance so fast that I'm not sure the difference would be noticeable.

[whole drum]

We all understand that. That isn't the point.

[glossy pagoda]

Ah

[whole drum]

I think the only way for the velocity difference to be really noticeable is if you're covering enough ground to need literal hundreds of containers.

Would be funny to just build it from one map edge to the other and time the difference

And then see how low of a belt tier could you go to still beat the time of a higher tier belt

Would require building across the entire map with this awkward container setup like 7x tho

[wicked nacelle]

All that actually matters in the game is rate until you hit elevator requirements

And four some reason the game is
Count based not rate based

[whole drum]

This has nothing to do with efficiency. It's For Science™.

[karmic berry]

Hello, is the crater a good space to build a mega base for magnetic field gens, thermal prop rocket, and nuclear pasta?

[whole drum]

Would be a fun goof off video if a content creator was looking for ideas 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

Meh? Check out SCIM if you really want to decide for yourself

[karmic berry]

scim?

[wicked nacelle]

Satisfactory calculator interactive map. Google it

[karmic berry]

Oh yeah, no i was looking for others opinions on the idea

[silk ocean]

You can load your save into it, etc

[wicked nacelle]

It tells you exactly the resources available so you can do de for yourself. There is no perfect location for any mega base.

[whole drum]

Well if it's only about opinions, build it in the north east desert for aesthetic appeal

[karmic berry]

i was planning on doing nuclear there

[whole drum]

Do a super nuke plant. Go tap all the Ur nodes and belt them all together into a single set of feeding belts and process all of it.

And definitely forget to carry enough filters when you go to work on it, as is tradition.

[karmic berry]

hmm... You know, i was feeling like kibitz

I want to make this base look good too

[forest mirage]

Guys please I'm so confused.. for rubber I need fuel and water in the refinery.. there's only 1 pipe slot.. how do I get rhe water and fuel into the refinery. Im sorry I'm dumb also..

[whole drum]

You're reading the recipe wrong

[dense violet]

!wikisearch rubber

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rubber

[forest mirage]

Oh jeez 🤦‍♂️

It says polymer resin and water.. dont i need fuel for the resin? And water for the rubber

[whole drum]

By default you have the choice of basic Rubber or Residual Rubber

[dense violet]

!wikisearch resin

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=resin

[dense violet]

theres 2x base rubber recipes

[whole drum]

If you go for basic rubber, you only need oil in, then output rubber and hor

[dense violet]

use whichever is more convenient

[whole drum]

For resin, you use another recipe that produces the resin, then input the resin and water into a refinery to output rubber

There's a material and liquid input and output of each

[forest mirage]

Okay you guys saved me thank you. I was using the wrong recipe

[whole drum]

If you are just starting oil, it's pretty common to build rubber/plastic directly and then use the hor byproduct for fuel

But that is by no means the only way, nor the "correct" way

It's just a simple one

[dense violet]

eh, turning HOR into coke and sinking it is simpler, not much point relying on a crummy non dedicated power supply

plus early points

[forest mirage]

Honestly I didnt think id make it past coal so im just having fun lol but yeah this is definitely getting harder

[whole drum]

I do it the other way, actually. I put smart splitters with overflow into a sink for the rubber/plastic

That way the power stays consistent

[dense violet]

you can sink all of it

and have dedicated power stations

[whole drum]

Sure, but with overflow, I can tap that rubber/plastic if I want to and no worry if the power will turn off

I like the flexibility and reliability of that system

Very easy to set up as well

That said, there are plenty of valid approaches. Do what makes sense to you.

Oil is my favorite resource precisely because it gives you that kind of agency and choice in a way that most resources don't.

[novel heath]

quick question if drones are transporting radioactive products will the drone be radioactive? mostly asking cause afaik drones using radioactive power arent radioactive

[zenith pecan]

I still have plans to process the entire spire coast into rubber/plastic, I just need to find time to actually do it.

[whole drum]

I don't think so, but not 100% sure

[novel heath]

alright

[versed helm]

Hi, ive seen some save with a new type of loadbalancer with programmable splittters and priority mergers, someone have a blueprint of this? Thanks

[wicked nacelle]

No clue what you’re talking about. Smart splitter is great. Programmable is nearly useless

[random garnet]

Seems my fuel transported per minute is slightly capping out to 240m per minute

[versed helm]

Totalxclipse used it on his game, but dont very understand the logic

[wicked vector]

just realized i need more power, woe

[random garnet]

Even got 12 industrial fluid buffers at the drop off station getting filled up while I build the fuel power plant heheheh

[whole drum]

What do you need a load balancer for?

[wicked vector]

friendship ended with load balancers, mixers are my new best friend

[near thicket]

One of my coal gen pipes is showing a spinning circle like it's loading rather than an amount of water or anything else. Every other pipe in the system is fine. Is this a bug?

[wicked nacelle]

Dunno without seeing the video but you can literally do everything a programmable splitter can do with enough smart splitters

[whole drum]

Fluid buffers require headlift to the top of the buffer to run at max efficiency. If they are only getting partially filled, it will nerf your flow rate.

[versed helm]

equalize input between n belts for mining to ingot

[whole drum]

Why not just manifold and pre-load it?

[wicked nacelle]

Just don’t use fluid buffers except at fluid platforms for trains

[whole drum]

It's 1/10th the work and carries far fewer failure points

[random garnet]

This is a fluid platform

[versed helm]

i splitted into 3 line of refinery for each pure ingot

[random garnet]

I probably will be adding the pumps in soon

Granted though they seem to be fully filling allllll the way up? Even without pumps?

[wicked nacelle]

Fluid buffer headlift depends on fill stays

It’s still better to just not try to achieve max flow

[random garnet]

All 12 of my fluid buffers are connected just makes it easier

[whole drum]

Daisy-chained buffers produce excess sloshing

[leaden turret]

"linked in #welcome" better than "google it"

[random garnet]

Daisy chained?

[whole drum]

Yeah, if you have them just connected to each other in a series rather than independantly

[wicked nacelle]

Remember how everyone said “don’t do this”?

You’re learning why.

[random garnet]

My system seems to be working perfectly fine though?

[wicked nacelle]

And I’ll say it again. Don’t this. There is literally zero reason to transport oil.

[whole drum]

Someone have a link to the pipe manual? I lost it when I had to reformat my PC

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[true mulch]

Not true, if you use the recycled loop then oil is more compact than the products

[hard ivy]

Whatever it is, if it has priority splitters/mergers, it's not a balancer

[wicked nacelle]

That’s dumb as hell.

[random garnet]

I mean… I’m playing the game how I’m finding it enjoyable and transporting my crude to a different location to turn it into power is what I’m finding fun lol

[wicked nacelle]

Transporting plastic and rubber is incredibly straightforward

[wicked nacelle]

Yet. Here. You. Are.

[whole drum]

You can do it how you want, and if it works, great. We're just telling you about some of the issues you may encounter with that appraoch.

[true mulch]

Transporting fluid by train isn't complicated

But I can understand why some might want to avoid it

[wicked nacelle]

If it was easy you wouldn’t be here

[random garnet]

What… I’ve legit not even complained or questioned anything… I just came in and tried talking to people saying how my stuffs going

[true mulch]

you got me there

[whole drum]

But please read the manual. You don't need to do most of the stuff in it (and probably shouldn't do that), but you should understand the way fluids work and it's a very short read.

[wicked vector]

why are you always so aggro in here

[wicked nacelle]

Super not interested in noob opinions

[random garnet]

Actual dick Ngl

[wicked vector]

case and point

i've probably owned this game longer than you have

[wicked nacelle]

SOOPER

[wicked vector]

"noob"

[wicked nacelle]

Not interested.

[whole drum]

For the record, I'm not bashing anyway. I just want to equip him with knowledge to make his system suit his needs.

[random garnet]

You are acting like I came in here complaining about my stuff “not working” when I did nothing of the sort

[wicked vector]

that also wasn't an opinion, that was me asking why you're such an asshole to everyone who dares speak around you.

you don't own the discord server chief

[wicked nacelle]

Projection is a hard drug to kick isn’t it?

[whole drum]

Can we cool it with the personal attacks and pointless fighting?

[wicked vector]

Literally all I've seen you do in here is act like a condescending prick but sure whatever dude 🤷‍♂️

carry on bashing someone for playing the game how they want

[wicked nacelle]

Just chill. Or read your comments and realize you’re talking about yourself.

[wicked vector]

literally what are you on about

[whole drum]

Can you two just block each other or go to DM?

[silk rose]

Not interested means no answering

[wicked nacelle]

It’s a lot of work actually helping people. Dealing with virtue signalers and white knights is exhausting.

[wicked vector]

Bro's just butthurt someone called him out on his bullshit at this point 🤷‍♂️ gonna block and carry on with my factory, gl with the oil project @random garnet the fluids in this game can be a pain

[whole drum]

Then ignore them.

[wicked nacelle]

I'm on it

[random garnet]

I appreciate it, I didn’t mean to cause arguments I just came in to try and chat etc.

But thank you for the help and they are abit of a pain but I’m slowly getting a grip on how it works at my own pace lol

[whole drum]

You're good. No worries. As I said, though, you really should read the manual so you can make your system work how you want it to without the common headaches certain approaches often produce.

[random garnet]

I think transporting this crude is the most fun I’ve had in this game so far

[icy jetty]

just found an optimization issue with game

water extractors still show animations when you're super far away.

[random garnet]

I’ll probably give it a read at some point but for now, my stuff seems to be working very well for what I have going

[ivory condor]

Sesh you guys, not that I blame you of course, but seriously me reading this sometimes🤦‍♂️

I mean you would think it wouldnt be to much to ask to have civil discussions, but sesh this chat takes a wrong direction sometimes

[wicked nacelle]

animation is not a significant part of the optimzation of the game -- it has to rerender everythign regardless of wehther it's animated or not

[random garnet]

How long has this game been out now? Not just consoles release of the game

[wicked nacelle]

it's been early access for... I dunno 5 years?

[random garnet]

Damn

[wicked nacelle]

but not in its current state obviously. Each year or so has introduced a new phase/tier of the game

[ivory condor]

Its been out for 6.6 years, not counting when it left early access of course

[wicked nacelle]

you know the tenth of a year? damn

[hard ivy]

Report it on the qa site then

[random garnet]

Are they gonna add more phases or is it done now

[wicked nacelle]

it appears to be done but no one knows for sure of course

[whole drum]

Fair enough, but the point I was trying to make earlier is on this page:
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf?page=9
At least check that out.

[ivory condor]

yes because it went into ea March 19, 2019 and thats 2438 days counting today of course

[wicked nacelle]

I doubt they add any more for free -- but they've nver said "no DLC guaranteed"

[icy jetty]

their qa site is...well doesn't seem to do much. i bet the hover packs still have that annoying ass glide when you stopped moving minutes ago

[hard ivy]

Unknown. I asked about a potential tier 10 and they said they aren't saying yes or no

[ivory condor]

so its simple math 2438/365 = 6.6 years

its hard to believe I have been playing this game for 6 years, time sure went by on this🙂

[random garnet]

Oh so I should have the buffers connected not to each other but rather a pipe line that individually connects to them all?

[whole drum]

It's better that way. Doesn't have to be exactly that, though.

[wicked nacelle]

yes, treat each as its own continuation of your pipeline on the other side of the train

[random garnet]

I’ll probably change it tomorrow then. I haven’t noticed any issues with them filling up as they are all full right now but if it helps I see no reason not to change simple pipes 🤷🏻‍♂️

[ivory condor]

Well gotta keep the door open for DLC, etc😉

[wicked nacelle]

just create "instances" of the processor on the "megafactory" side just like if you didn't have a train at all... and then get rid of the train

[ivory condor]

Of course they said pipes werent going to be in the game so you cant always trust what CSS says

[random garnet]

Pipes used to not be in the game???

[ocean frost]

if you say new map it gives the devs PTSD

[ivory condor]

Yeah sure no pipes, when while I see pipes...everywhere now

[whole drum]

Basically what happens if they are connected in series is that any time a significant draw of liquid occurs, the first buffer will feed the draw, reduce in capacity, then get refilled by the buffer behind it, repeat... but the pipes that connect the buffers flow both ways, so as the 2nd buffer begins to empty the 1st and 3rd will attempt to rebalance it--producing sloshing in those pipes.

[ivory condor]

Yep introduced in U3 actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIEnhYio0VQ

thats a fun watch

wow its been 5 years when pipe were first put into the game, feels almost like yesterday

[whole drum]

This sloshing process will happen for each buffer in the series

[ocean frost]

why do we have buffers in series

[whole drum]

If you pre-fill all the buffers and then your input and draw match, this won't be a noticeable issue

[random garnet]

That’s a oddly hype trailer for pipes lol

[whole drum]

However, if your input and draw match, why would you need the buffers?

[random garnet]

So when connected full to each other they just try to level themselfs out constantly?

[wicked nacelle]

because train stations pause

[whole drum]

Yes

[forest mirage]

What is the difference between consum and max consum ? All my stuff is hooked to 1 grid but my max consum is higher? I dont get the difference

[whole drum]

Yes, but then the draw and input aren't matched and are out of sync

[wicked nacelle]

max consumption is if ALL your buildings were running. consumption is ACTUALLY how many buildings are runngin

[dense violet]

Some tried and true Fluid train buffer systems if people are interested - I recommend building them exactly as the image #design-and-architecture message

also this one but it may have been tested less #design-and-architecture message

[forest mirage]

Oh i thought all my stuff was running though? 🫠

[wicked nacelle]

on one side of teh train station yes. But across train stations no.

[wicked nacelle]

If they're different then they're not

[forest mirage]

Is it counting my biomass burners that arent running?

[random garnet]

I’m still annoyed I can’t honk the train horn on console it is really really bothering me

[whole drum]

Yeah, and this is why I don't like to mix fluids and trains. It gets to be more complicated than it's worth. 😅

[dense violet]

bio mass burners don't consume, That would be capacity

[wicked nacelle]

biomass only runs if it's needed -- it's the only kind of generator that does this -- everything else runs at 100% all the time

[random garnet]

Why are they on platforms higher up?

[forest mirage]

Oh no.. im so out of it man.. can someone check #screenshots and tell me if im close to running out of power. Im really sorry

[wicked nacelle]

if you see your production varying to keep up with actual consumption that's the bioburners burning "on demand"

if your production exceeds your consumption then bioburners will be off and not consume any biofuel

[ocean frost]

its a sign to build out more power

[whole drum]

Post in #1038092680493801533 so people can reply

[forest mirage]

Im spamming coal plants to avoid power outages..

[dense violet]

honeslty I'm not 100% certain - it was made by someone who was interested in this sort of thing. It might partially work off priority?

I just recommend them as they've been tested.
they definitely aren't the only way to buffer trains

[wicked nacelle]

you should be able to get to fuel generators with 16-20 coal generators -- aspire to get to fuel generators ASAP

[ocean frost]

it will priorities the the lower pipe over the elevated buffer

[wicked nacelle]

fuel generators will get you to the end of the game if you so desire

[forest mirage]

I have 32 coal gens and im trying to get fuel setup now

[whole drum]

But it's simple.
Production: How much power you are making.
Max Capacity: How much total power you can make if you need to (you mostly see this with burners and batteries involved).
Consumption: How much power you are currently using.
Max Consumption: What your entire grid requires if every machine is running (since machines stop if they fail to get enough input or can't output).

[random garnet]

The orange consum (consumption) is how much your factory is CURRENTLY using.

And the blue Max Cons (consumption) is how much your factory will use if everything is all on at once.

Atleast that’s what I’ve been told

[random garnet]

For what purpose?

[whole drum]

A common reason for your consumption to be a lot less than your max consumption is that people will make small factories for plates, rods, rotors, or whatever and feed them into a storage container, but eventually that container gets full and those materials are just sitting there, so the machines that produce those also get full and just stop making more.

[wicked nacelle]

yeah there's tons of reasons. and it's not bad. I love to overproduce and underconsume. I just keep my production at 150% of my consumption (not max consumption) and then I'm always safe to build another factory section -- and then re-check my power

[ocean frost]

when a station loads, it is unable to accept any more fluid, we put this fluid in a buffer and use the second input to pump it in so we can have constant production form the oil node

[wicked nacelle]

yeah it means that your produciton machines won't back up and stop so you still get 100% extraction rate even when the fluid station pauses during docking

[whole drum]

It's a clever setup for sure

[terse kindle]

How do i change the size of the to do list? I like using it, but it takes up too much space

[shy mulch]

Move your head further away from the screen

[ivory condor]

What about lowering the resolution, that might work to

Wait actually play the game in 16k, that should be plenty of space for the lists

[whole drum]

Forget the list. He goes to the block.

[sharp basin]

I’m building a double factory around the Grassy Fields stone arch. Meaning one building each side of the arch, with a glass bridge connecting the buildings going through the stone arch. Gonna be beautiful (1st factory after my spaghetti shitstorm from the beginnings). Got one problem though: the flying Manta ray is going through my buildings on its way around (and between in that case) the stone pillars.

Two choices:

• it’s an alien species that goes through walls.
• I build a big hole inside my factory that I try to make like something integrated to the design, so I can watch the Manta passing through. Glass walls/floors obviously.

My design is already so complicated, it’s going to be hell to design that. But wouldn’t that be a beautiful thing?

[icy jetty]

everytime i load up the game and start playing, i just kinda hate the platforms and building aspect. is there a setting that makes recipes 2x more output? maybe i should just do that so i can put more time into the explore side

basically make buildings take up less space, or idk. i liked factorio, but this game makes me anxious. i little, enough to make me constantly question my choices

which i do when things start getting tediously huge

[hybrid ridge]

mods

[shy mulch]

Are you using power shards?

[icy jetty]

sometimes, i don't have enough to 2x everything plus the power draw makes me wanna avoid it

but being able to use 2 water extractors instead of 3 for 6 coals is very nice

[hard ivy]

You could write a mod to do that

[whole drum]

If you don't like the building aspect, maybe a game with a little less emphasis on automation and a little more on exploration would be a better bet for you. Perhaps Palworld, for example.

Otherwise, mods are probably the answer. You can find mods for all kinds of stuff.

[hard ivy]

No man's sky maybe

[icy jetty]

wait palworld has building? lul

[whole drum]

Not a lot, but yes

[hybrid ridge]

@icy jetty #screenshots message get ready for nuclear power

dont chat in screenshots

[icy jetty]

man that must have took a lot of time

[silk ocean]

I just put the extractors next to the reactors, all that plumbing seems time consuming

[hybrid ridge]

i just add multiple dopamine (yt, tiktok and shi) soruces on my 2nd monitor when doing boring stuff like these

[ocean frost]

I would recommend Shapes 2, and honestly anything that has blueprints, Captain of Industry is nice. There are mods you can use to.

[hard ivy]

Why are y'all doing this to yourselves? Just put the reactors above the extractors and you don't need to pull kilometer long bundles of dozens of pipes

[hybrid ridge]

cuz funny and i dont have anything to do in my life

[whole drum]

Especially if you're building over water anyway

[silk ocean]

You need two extractors per reactor if overclocking them

[hard ivy]

You always need 2 extractors per reactor, regardless of clock speed, as long as it's the same for both

[silk ocean]

or 4 non-clocked as per what seems to be that setup

I just did 2 max clocked 🙂

480/sec

Doubleclocked I should say

[hybrid ridge]

ye all my reactors are 200%

[hard ivy]

3 mistakes in one message, wow

1. "sec" is not an allowed abbreviation for second
2. at max clock speed, 1 extractor produces 300, not 240
3. it's /min not /s

[silk ocean]

I was awaiting 3 xD

[hybrid ridge]

#screenshots message rate

[silk ocean]

I did correct to Doubleclocked 😄

[hard ivy]

Forgot that you have to press shift+enter to actually type in enter. Didn't think this applied to discord mobile with a physical keyboard

[hybrid ridge]

no it applies on pc too

[hard ivy]

Why is this even inconsistent

[hard ivy]

No, I know that. But it applies to mobile with a physical keyboard. But it doesn't apply to mobile with the OSK

[silk ocean]

It was some terrible sloppiness on my behalf and no idea what I was thinking with /s /sec or any other horrific abbreviations and not just /min. absolutely shocking

[reef basin]

because phone keyboard has "enter" and "send" as two different keys

[hard ivy]

It doesn't? It has enter on the keyboard and send in the discord UI

I cannot send a message with just the OSK

[silk ocean]

Enter on the phone board, at least mine does a newline I think

Like you said the Send is a discord button rather than a keyboard controlled event I think

[true mulch]

You can enable the send message button on desktop, but I think it leaves keybinds unchanged as enter to send and shift enter to newline

[silk ocean]

Unlike PC which Enter is Send and you need to shift for newline

[reef basin]

did they change it again on phone? I swear I had a button to send messages in bottom right corner of keyboard. But I don't use discord on phone much so it may have been a while back

[silk ocean]

I prefer shift+enter for newline on PC, it's more standardised with other windows clients like WhatsApp

[true mulch]

Android, always been the case

[reef basin]

android here as well

[true mulch]

Enter to newline, Discord send message button to send message

[silk ocean]

Yep Android here

[sterile blade]

Pioneer here 👋

[true mulch]

Blue name check: critical failure

[sterile blade]

Pioneer =! Lead Pioneer :P

[true mulch]

Both are blue

[hard ivy]

Except for android with a physical KB, then it's desktop behaviour

But ctrl+i for italics, etc, doesn't work

[sterile blade]

I actually didn't notice there was another one in addition to "lead pioneers" 🤦‍♂️

[true mulch]

All this time??

[whole drum]

Unrelated, and not trying to call any particular person out, but that whole Clippy pfp thing cracks me up. If you don't like M$, just switch to Linux. It's really easy.

[silk ocean]

If I just typed /min none of this interesting discussion would happened, you have me to thank xD

[true mulch]

When I made a build of my game on Android, I left the keyboard inputs on and at the same time didn't provide a way to access the debug console by touch, so the only way to do so was to plug in a hardware keyboard and press the button

[true mulch]

I don't think that's what it is at all

[whole drum]

I know there's more to it, but the solution works

[true mulch]

No no I don't think you know what it is

[reef basin]

it's not about microsoft at all though?

[hard ivy]

It's not just about Microsoft, so it really doesn't

[true mulch]

Look up Louis Rossmann

[reef basin]

In August 2025, Rossmann uploaded a video encouraging internet users to change their profile pictures to an image of Clippy, as a form of silent protest against unethical conduct by technology companies, such as mining personal data for the training of artificial intelligence programs or its sale to data brokers, planned obsolescence, censorship, or the use of ransomware.

[whole drum]

I saw his video on it

[hard ivy]

Louis, not Linus lol

[sterile blade]

I mean... It's not not about Microsoft, but certainly not just about that xD

[true mulch]

Oh geez, I've never seen it typed out

Probably mixed it up with L. Tech Tips

[reef basin]

oh yeah that's what I meant. It's not a protest directly against microsoft

[sterile blade]

Yeah, I was mainly joking about the wording xD

[nocturne sentinel]

Guys is satisfactory more gpu and ram heavy or cpu heavy

[hard ivy]

Yes

[silk ocean]

Both

[reef basin]

why those two options? 🤔

why can't it be CPU and RAM heavy?

[silk ocean]

Like any good game, it is all of them xD

[icy jetty]

Factorio wants to have a word with you

[sterile blade]

But this is a Dogshit™ game though!

[hard ivy]

If you have a 1030, even factorio is GPU heavy

[silk ocean]

Whether you are CPU, RAM or GPU bound depends on your factory, how much RAM, how fast your CPU is, how good your GPU is, resolution, desired frames, etc

[nocturne sentinel]

Factorio is the only game that my schools pc can run (it has no gpu so cant run satisfactory)

[icy jetty]

i recently got the 5070ti sooooo 😛

[silk ocean]

Even a 1030 will be CPU-bound ultimately I think xD

[whole drum]

Yeah, and I acknowledge that. However, it was because of that sort of abuse from M$ that I switched. When they announced their AI spyware in Win11, that was it. I was done with them, permanently. It's hard to get away from that sort of abuse from gaming companies without being very selective about which games you play, but a lot of the crappy stuff in other PC apps is avoidable by just not being on Windows. It's not perfect, but it's much more of a protest for them to see the market shift in reality than just a pfp switch.

[reef basin]

that's why I don't use win11 🙂

[silk ocean]

You can disable the telemetry using a utility like winaero tweaker, along with a load of other stuff

[reef basin]

but nowdays it's like 95% of games that run just fine on linux, I just still have my win10 install where I have games and I'm lazy to move it all to linux that I have

[whole drum]

You can, but those workarounds tend to be temporary unless you can stifle the automatic updates that reset those settings.

[silk ocean]

I run it now and again and I've never seen it be reset

[sterile blade]

Protests aren't limited to symbols.
Like... If you see someone with a shirt saying "X needs to be better", do you just assume that's all they do in their life to help with making X better? Put a shirt on?

[hard ivy]

Idk why, but I don't like Linux so much that I preferred to ssh from my windows PC/laptop into my university's machines than to use them directly

[whole drum]

It's mostly just games that want kernel level access for anti-cheat that don't work on Linux, and some of those even have workarounds if you really want them--but I rather they not use that in general, so I'll just play other games until they change it.

[whole drum]

Social media has been effectively just that for years, tbh

[silk ocean]

I run Linux basically everywhere apart from my desktop, I just can't be bothered to deal with game-related faff. Guaranteed there are games in my library that will take ages to get running or not at all

[icy jetty]

make cheating in competitive MP games a felony

[reef basin]

https://www.protondb.com/ 🙂

[icy jetty]

they usually give a lot more information that 3 secs of looking at a shirt of someone passing by can. so i think sm post are much more effective

[whole drum]

That's the worst part, that R0 anti-cheat doesn't stop the people who really want to cheat. There are already YT videos of people showing it off in BO7 and BF6.

[silk ocean]

I know about Proton yea, got Valve to thank for that, but not everything is perfect xD

[whole drum]

Proton is close enough tbh

[reef basin]

well that website tells you which games run on linux and what you need to do to have them run on linux 🙂 so you can easily check if your favorite games will run on linux

[silk ocean]

It's not just games - I find some things still annoying - even with newer distros that support nvidia chromium GPU acceleration still uses WAY more CPU than Windows for some reason, I've tested it regularly on my spare PC

[whole drum]

Linux has quite a few tools to help games to work too

But having grown up with a lot of troubleshooting games on Win, it's no big deal if a game occasionally needs a little extra attention at first

[silk ocean]

Yea, admittedly probably all or most games I play will run fine, searched a few and they are Gold (after tweaks)

[sterile blade]

Well, they do be different things entirely 😆 (and not mutually exclusive)
Apples to oranges, really ^^

[icy jetty]

ok so i wish as a compromise to avoiding picture chat, discord would allow thumbnail sized images in here. wouldn't fill the chat, and would be wayyyy better than not being able to talk in a modern internet way click to enlarge obviously

[reef basin]

yeah, "tweaks" are usually "change proton version" or "add a launch parameter" 🙂 so still super easy 🙂

[silk ocean]

I'll try proton on the spare PC again perhaps later today

[whole drum]

I've got a boot stick with a few different distros on it, so this time around I'm trying Nobara (Fedora-based) and honestly it's super good. Very user friendly. Most things just work right out of the box. Easy to figure out how to get stuff to work, and extremely high compatibility across apps.

[silk ocean]

win11 gets a bashing but it's a very refined and stable OS to be fair, nothing's perfect but nothing ever crashes and it just works, at least for me

Not moving to Linux on the desktop is basically just because of that +lazyness

[whole drum]

I was using Mint before and it's pretty decent, but required a bit more setup and trial/error for some things.

It's Ubuntu based, though, which is nice for some things.

[icy jetty]

i swear windows is intentionally trying to see how much it can piss people off before they leave

[sterile blade]

The sheer amount of money and effort they put into squashing competition instead of squashing their bugs makes me feel a bit nauseous using their products 😅

[whole drum]

If that's all it was, I wouldn't have switched

[silk ocean]

The only utility in 11 I use is StartAllBack, so I can put the start menu on the left side of my left monitor, that's about all the "modifications" I had to do, and same as 10 run through all the winaero tweaker settings

[whole drum]

It's super invasive and they act like your PC belongs to them

[silk ocean]

I don't really have any win11 bugs on my list to be honest xD

It just works fine (for me)

I don't use any of the Windows UI stuff apart from the Settings now and again, everything else is just programs like Chrome, Discord, etc

[sterile blade]

I'm not referring to 11 specifically. It's not as if the company suddenly changed when making it and their track record goes decades back

[whole drum]

Oh, yeah. Win program/accessory bloat is ridiculous.

[silk ocean]

I don't use Windows "apps"

Just proper programs

[whole drum]

It comes with a bunch of crap on it I don't want and didn't ask for

And some of them aren't easy to remove without a specialized utility

It's just so gross

[silk ocean]

I don't think it's as bad as people make out though 😉

Anyway I'm not a windows fanboy, just saying I can't be bothered to replace something that works fine right now 😄

[hard ivy]

I like edge. Nuclearcraft reactor optimizers run 2x faster in it than in any other browser I tried XD

And its pdf viewer is decent

[silk ocean]

Edge is a pretty good Chromium implementation yea

[coral glacier]

Just finished 2/3rds of the piping for my modular plutonium power plant 🔥
Phew. 😂

[dense violet]

hope it works xD

[coral glacier]

Oh it will, i've made sure of that.

[dense violet]

orly?

[coral glacier]

And if it doesn't, i'll see what went wrong 🤣

[coral glacier]

Yeah, i initially used clean pipes, then decided to use flow indicator pipes just as a way to see if water is flowing at the correct rate and to their designated reactors.

[dense violet]

... I'm not really sure that's a real diagnostic method for an overall pipe system but fingers crossed 😄

[coral glacier]

When the power plant is fully operational, i'll look at the total power production with the estimated value, and if it's off i'll comb through and fix what is off.

[hard ivy]

I don't think you can say "it will work" about any pipe system

[whole drum]

Considering how janky pipe behavior can be sometimes, I almost never use clean pipes, lol

[steel kelp]

so real

[hard ivy]

I don't even buy clean pipes because they clutter my quick select

[coral glacier]

It's not the main tool that i'll use to see if proper flow is going to where it needs to be, but it's a helpful indicator if water isn't connected.

Or if i connected it to the wrong pipe entirely and i see a reactor has no coolant at all 🤣

[native tapir]

"There is nothing wrong with pipes" -Snutt

[coral glacier]

I can and will say it will work, because i know what i built and how i built it.

And if it doesn't, well, i'll know to correct it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense violet]

eh, if you' build simple pipes you're pretty much just down to basic user error. Like forgetting a connection or something

[coral glacier]

That's pretty much how i have it set up, haha

[hard ivy]

I've seen someone manage to fuck up a 2 extractors -> 1 npp setup

I still don't know how

[coral glacier]

Your guess is as good as mine ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense violet]

there used to be a small bug with pipes I think around 1.1 where npps were wobbly for reasons. It didn't last long

[steel kelp]

What does npp mean

[dense violet]

nuclear power plant

[steel kelp]

Oh right lol

[dense violet]

I really can't recall what the bug was but lots of people had issues feeding them consistently at 600pm

[steel kelp]

I’m about to make mine, in modeller it doesnt look too bad

[dense violet]

it got fixed pretty fast iirc

[coral glacier]

I'm using a simple 2:1 ratio of extractor to reactor, and no junctions either.
And that means with 800 plutonium, i'll be routing 800 pipes.
The amount of pipes isn't a big deal, it's just going through to make sure they work correctly, haha.

[steel kelp]

Using all the sloops in the game to make more rods tho

[hard ivy]

630 GW not enough?

[zenith pecan]

Nope.

[steel kelp]

I want to hit 1 million

My current set up will get 900 gw just from uranium rods. Im gonna think about ficsonium later lmao

[hard ivy]

630 GW + 6 augmenters is over 1 TW

[hard ivy]

You ain't gonna have enough SAM for that

[steel kelp]

What do i need sam for?

[hard ivy]

Ficsonium lmao

[dense violet]

your butt

[steel kelp]

Oh right

[hybrid ridge]

how effective are augmenters? im thinking about setting them up

[hard ivy]

And a fuckton of it too

[steel kelp]

Yea i probably wont bother, ill make a small setup just to say i did it

[dense violet]

meh, augmenters are just dupe machines but for power

[hard ivy]

10 sloops for 10% of your grid. Or 30% if you use matrices

Or 550 MW for easy instant drop pod opening

[steel kelp]

Id rather place 144 overlcocked npps than use an augmenter lol

Sounds more fun :))