satisfactory

[feral geyser]

i do the nitric quartz recipes

[wicked nacelle]

I don't knnow offhand.. but many mk6 belts worth

[verbal wren]

should you use the same type of pipes for an entire pipeline (so avoid transition between mk1 and mk2 pipes) or was that bug already fixed?

[feral geyser]

no, i just don't use them

[chilly tide]

I like 20 mk6 belts

[sullen gull]

Lol, you've actually said that specifically in the past

[feral geyser]

that's because they were

now they are not

[sullen gull]

true.

[wicked nacelle]

it's 7200 quickwire off a pure cat node with pure ingots adn fused quickwire

so 6 mk6 belts

[feral geyser]

and my design habits haven't changed and i still don't use them, cuz i have better methods

belts go under the floor, pipes come down from above

[wicked nacelle]

it's a lot of copper but copper is trash tier even after making tons of powder

[feral geyser]

it makes sense

[sullen gull]

@feral geyser made a good point, the leached is actually the "better" recipe for cat ingots.

Less water, a bit of added sulfur ..

200 more ingots

[feral geyser]

WAAAAYYY less water

and faster output rates per machine

leached cat is better in literally any way you slice it

[wicked nacelle]

it's crazy that we're saying "well but it doesn't use water" is a benefit.

[feral geyser]

anyone who says otherwise has been propgandized

[sullen gull]

Huh, I never paid attention, but that's one thing Modeler needs ... to show the rate per time for the alts ....

[feral geyser]

less water means less piping, fewer points of failure, and less dealing with fluids (which everyone seems to agree, sucks)

[chilly tide]

brother

[formal fable]

i killed a cliff hog with just a xeno zapper

[chilly tide]

WATER IS YOUR CONCERN?

[formal fable]

i feel invincible

[wicked nacelle]

water doesn't suffer from flow issues it's very reliable

[feral geyser]

no, the extra piping is

[chilly tide]

so skill issue

[feral geyser]

theres no difference between the "physics" of different liquids

[wicked nacelle]

2 250% water extractors will give you reliable 600/m water flow.

[feral geyser]

they all behave the same

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[feral geyser]

no, i just don't like building tons of pipes

[wicked nacelle]

The different suppliers of liquid change how it acts though. Water extractors at 250% are rock solid

[chilly tide]

why not?

[feral geyser]

listen, i'm used to this

[wicked nacelle]

it's complex producer/consumer manifolds that create flow rate issues.

[feral geyser]

people like to stone you when you tell the truth and they can't take it

[fervent garden]

Bolted frame or steel screws

[feral geyser]

so, i guess, cope

[wicked nacelle]

yes pls

[sullen gull]

Because the "simpler" you can make plumbing, the "better" ... end of the day.

[fervent garden]

Xaxxon which one though

[sullen gull]

Again, hold till one needed

[wicked nacelle]

I'd take bolted frame because I don't use steel screws because coal becomes valuable end game 🙂

but many people like both so just flip a coin

[feral geyser]

steel screws is awesome

[chilly tide]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057

[feral geyser]

a single beam constructor can fill a mk5 belt of screws

[sullen gull]

And, really, Bolted frame is best with Steel Screws, so, chicken and egg?

[feral geyser]

i mean, yeah...

but even without Bolted recipe, you can still use steel screws to run regular frames easier

so i'd take Steel screws first

[sullen gull]

Nice. Not impressed though if that was the goal. Have done similar and more "odd ball" shit as well...

[sullen gull]

Heh, didn't mean to reply directly you you, lol. Was just merely adding 1.5 cents

[chilly tide]

its not the goal its just a step

[sullen gull]

Going for full nuke?

[chilly tide]

not full but close

[sullen gull]

I.e. all uranium nodes ...

[sullen gull]

Nice.

[chilly tide]

yea plus 900

its going to be like 1687500mw

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message One of my current projects. 18npp per arm, as well as 72 fuel gens per arm, 8 arms.

[chilly tide]

Nice

[sullen gull]

Though I keep messing about as I'd rather try and go for full uranium ... but trying to stick to a specific design in mind .

[chilly tide]

yea I just bricked the rocky desert and am building all of it flat

[sullen gull]

I've always though the dune desert was an interesting choice for nuke plants.

[chilly tide]

why?

[cerulean oracle]

I thought about going full nuclear in one of my playthroughs but I didn't want the gargantuan radiation field. I went for Deanorium

[fervent garden]

Can iron pipes replace steel pipes..

[feral geyser]

commas, bro 😭

[sullen gull]

Sorry, meant to say dune desert as that is what I read lol. Then re-read after sending 😛

[chilly tide]

1,687,500 mw

[feral geyser]

yes

same output item, just different recipe

[fervent garden]

FUCK YES FUCK YESSSSSSSS

[sullen gull]

Expense of more iron ore

[feral geyser]

a SHITLOAD more iron

[fervent garden]

I have ten iron nodes I have access too

[chilly tide]

but I need sulfur to make my iron I am cooked

[sullen gull]

There is a LOT more than that if you explore 😏

[fervent garden]

I know

[chilly tide]

like 90k more

[sullen gull]

If I recall. Iron is the second most abundant. Net to Limestone.

[chilly tide]

no iron is 92k lime is 69k

[fervent garden]

Hehe funi number

[sullen gull]

ok, so most abundant. I obviously don't recall 😛

[chilly tide]

yeah idek how one would use that much iron

[sullen gull]

OK. drinky drank swirls are making me hear the pillow legitimately call my name. Nn.

[feral geyser]

Need them pipes for your pipe bombs

[feral geyser]

Nnn

I really just want greenhouses in vanilla so I can automate inhalers too.

Also LBF

Then I don't have to sloop my LBF factory

[chilly tide]

true If I use Iron pipe it will take me 86400 Iron to make my 10800 pipe bombs per min

[feral geyser]

At that point, don't even need nukes

And yes, I do sloop the whole production line for LBF

Why wouldn't i

Get 8 times as much

[chilly tide]

yea tea

[finite basalt]

Are all the resource nodes on every map the same for everyone?

[feral geyser]

yes

[finite basalt]

Ok bet ty

[amber skiff]

One can only take that as a challenge

[fervent garden]

It's all one map, You can walk anywhere, You just choose where to spawn.

[plush mirage]

whats the best power generator in the game?

[finite basalt]

Oh wait really

[fervent garden]

Ye

[finite basalt]

Damn I never knew lmao

Only got like 40 hours so far I’m console

[fervent garden]

I got 50+ console

[finite basalt]

Are you on phase 2

[fervent garden]

Ye

[finite basalt]

Me too lmao, I’m having to move cuz when I first started I didn’t realize how important spacing and organization was so my factory looked like an amusement park with all the clipping

[fervent garden]

Base at -292 2685

[finite basalt]

I’m not on rn is that lower left corner or upper

[fervent garden]

Just find those coords

[finite basalt]

Are they good for setting up factories n shi like nodes

[fervent garden]

Mhm

[finite basalt]

Bet

[fervent garden]

By the way if you wanna visit the dunes, I found some at 3092, -2476

[haughty torrent]

Are steel rotors a good alt recipe?

[feral geyser]

they're nice cuz its the same mats as stators, so making motors is simpler

[green fiber]

Its the same ingredients as base stators

[feral geyser]

jinx

[fervent garden]

Where the fuck did you come from

Bro just appears out of nowhere when he hears "alt recipe" tf

[feral geyser]

my momma

[fervent garden]

Bros lurking in the shadows like deadbeat man or someshit

[feral geyser]

i was chatting with a friend

she was consoling me after y'all bullied me for using leached recipes

[fervent garden]

What are leached recipes

[haughty torrent]

While I'm at it which between steel screws and molded beams are better?

[fervent garden]

SCREWS

I WANT YOU TO SUFFER

[feral geyser]

both are good, but molded beams makes steel screws even easier, so that's tricky

i'd go with molded beams first

but ultimately, it depends on your needs and what you have around you

most people have a bunch of extra limestone veins not being used, or excess concrete capacity

[haughty torrent]

Having things near me is a non issue, I'm fine with bringing materials from far away or even just building factories far apart.

[signal shale]

HMF need concrete anyhow, and HMF without screws use a bit more concrete, but that's fine.

(for example, I have a plant filling dimensional depots on that ridge overlooking the northwest coal in the rocky desert, and I wasn't using the limestone up there for anything much, so being able to avoid screws via more concrete was super convenient.)

The inability to get caterium or oil products up there in a convenient manner is annoying and limits which depots I can put up there, but I guess c'est la vie.

[feral geyser]

@fervent garden is it still not working?

[haughty torrent]

You wouldn't believe it, scanned a few more hard drives and got steel screws back around.

Regarding some more alt recipes, are bolted frames, and steel cast plates good or should I reroll their drives?

[feral geyser]

I like bolted frames cuz its 2.5x faster per machine at the cost of a few extra screws (which steel screws helps with)

i have never used steel cast plates

coated iron plates is where it's at

[little shale]

Is there a way to specify how much you craft?

So let's say I justwant 15 iron plates only

[feral geyser]

give it only the right amount

plates craft in 2s though, so you'd have to do 16

also, why wouldn't you want extras

[median geyser]

What are some use cases for the power storage cells? Like my only thought was "if the power goes out, they keep things running briefly", but if power goes out, I wont know Im on backup until that runs out too?

[feral geyser]

a lot of people would say not to use them for that reason alone, but they are handy for helping level out the power from Geothermal, or late game, there are machines whose power usage varies.

[median geyser]

Ah that makes sense, I didnt think of using them as a regulator

[feral geyser]

you can see your backup power charge/discharge rate while looking at your graph, so you can know when you are using them and adjust supply accordingly

[little shale]

Inventory not enough

[feral geyser]

get more

or make a chest

[civic reef]

#screenshots message idk what to fill this space with

[finite basalt]

Is that the sand part bet

[fallen halo]

A pixelart painting on the wall

[fervent garden]

I AM FREE

I AM FREEEEEE

[sterile blade]

I see Bolted Frame as a bit of a trap...
While individually it does cut down on the number of RIP Assembler, the increase in plates and Screws needed more than makes up for it by inflating the numbers needed for those production chains (ie: remove ~50% RIP assemblers, but add ~60% more Constructors for Plates and Screws...)

[fervent garden]

Yes, Yes it is. It is the hardest place to start at.

[feral geyser]

It's the same amount of plates per frame as the base recipe

[finite basalt]

Are there any reasons to go there

[fervent garden]

It has a ton of crude oil from what I have seen

[feral geyser]

What the hell

Where did you come from? 😏

[fervent garden]

My mommy

[finite basalt]

I can get that at phase 2?

[fervent garden]

Finish phase 2, Then I think oil stuff unlocks

[feral geyser]

Bros lurking in the shadows like deadbeat man or someshit

[fervent garden]

Bros gonna get muted like I did LOL

[feral geyser]

Nah, we're just horsing around

[civic reef]

what in the world-

[civic reef]

mmm, might do that

[sterile blade]

Yeah, just adapt to the situation xD
(I was missremembering the details, but not the conclusion. A quick simulation with SFTools can confirm/disprove)

[feral geyser]

Yeah, don't really care that much

I just do whatever tickles my fancy

[fervent garden]

I am the king of all

[sterile blade]

When you have power storages on your grid, you get a notification if stored power is calculated to run out within 30, 20 and 10 minutes (iirc)

[feral geyser]

Oh yeah, forgot about that entirely

[median geyser]

Oh thats amazing

Time to built a gargantuan one

[feral geyser]

I have a blueprint with 64 of them if you want

It's the entire floor of a Mk 3 Blueprinter

[median geyser]

my idea of gargantuan is probably smaller than the average starter base on here

of a what?

[little shale]

The Drop Pod meeds 40 MW to open but my biofuel doesn't generate enough. Am I supposed to come back later in higher tiers?

[sterile blade]

Size isn't everything.
It's all about the quality of the sushi

[feral geyser]

Put a shard in it, or build 2

[median geyser]

Oh I dont even have a mk2 yet 😂

[little shale]

Thanks

[feral geyser]

You can still load larger ones into your save.

[median geyser]

Im just now about to go out into the plains and take stock of what's around me, and start calculating production potential

So far all my progress has been based on "eh, if I didnt pull enough resources, I have buffers, and things will backup overnight eventually"

[fervent garden]

Hi frego

[median geyser]

👋

[civic reef]

i spent 15 minutes staring at my oil packaging setup wondering why the train wasnt loading

turns out, you cant really load anything into the train if the belts arent connected

[feral geyser]

That'd do it 😭

[civic reef]

#screenshots message fixed it

and now it's pretty

[feral geyser]

OPEC would be jealous

[fervent garden]

I kind of want to start making my factory but I am horrible at building

[civic reef]

i know it's super ineffecient to package oil this early on

but damnit, i wanted to do ALL my refining on base

[eternal swallow]

Oh god i found sushi belt propaganda

[civic reef]

i made my first train and it works perfectly

i must cry tears of joy now

now i debate if it's more convenient for me to pipe water up or belt items down

[median geyser]

We have automated heavy frames 🙏

[civic reef]

that's a milestone right there

imo, making a HMF factory is like, the first big step into lategame

[median geyser]

It's almost kind of efficient too 😂 The spaghetti is real, but it's a single machine overclocked to 200%

Oh lmao you thought I meant a factory 😂 Nah I just have my overflow lines of all the materials to make it running into a single machine, meaning I am slowly passively generating them

[civic reef]

my first heavy modular frame factory made... if memory serves like 40 per minute

[median geyser]

lmao

Im in the process of preparing my first "real" factory, with more inputs than just what was around my spawn, and proper production lines dedicated to each item instead of having my outputs split and feed other inputs

[civic reef]

ive made more infrastructure than factory right now

[median geyser]

Speaking of infrastructure, do belts, pipes, rails, and tubes all have the same maximum distance before they make you place a support?

[civic reef]

yes, but you dont need the support. it's just a max distance of the thing itself

[granite pike]

I believe its Tier 7 or 8.. (CORRECTION TIER 8 is Nuclear Power)

[civic reef]

what in the world is that hyroglifics ass name

[median geyser]

Ah. Good to know. As long as they are all the same max, I can start planning a blueprint for items, transport, and power, all on one line

[civic reef]

yeah you wont have to worry about max length in a BP all three tiers are too small for it

[coarse path]

Guys im done with space elevator phase 3!!!! When im back on my pc cuz i just woke up im launching

How meany launches are there left?

[sterile blade]

Belts have the same max as pipes iirc.
Everything else is different from each other

[median geyser]

Ah

[void mason]

I just finished my first steel factory, 50 pipes/min 45 steel beams/min and 18 of industrial reinforced concrete per minute

I’m at the level 4 now

Is it a good result given the level?

[civic reef]

im wondering where the fuck 1k max consumption just disappeared to

[coarse path]

?

[sterile blade]

Inside a cable you (maybe inadvertently) disconnected?

[civic reef]

i have no idea

[median geyser]

Which of the above has the lowest "max travel"?

[civic reef]

yknow what, satisfactory gods have blessed me

this will have zero consequences whatsoever

oh i figured it out

temp setup was just taking it sweet time to update

[native tapir]

Depends. Did you have fun?

[void mason]

YES

The factory must grow

[native tapir]

[void mason]

Do any of you have nice designs for a coal power plant? Aesthetically

[fervent garden]

Mine looks prrty

Lemme go take screenshots

[signal shale]

just put down a second biofuel generator?

[silk ocean]

There are 2 biofuel generators in the HUB also

[fervent garden]

I am gonna dm it to you

Sent

[signal shale]

I want to say I had a setup with 1 water extractor overclocked to 300 in order to feed 3 generators who were all overclocked to use 90 water/s. You could probably get away with just overclocking to 270 exactly, but having a blackout because water went screwy is not on my list of things I want to deal with. 1:3 is pretty easy to scale, too, until you unlock fuel power.

[fervent garden]

I got 6 extractors for 6 gens

[signal shale]

coal generators don't need that much water though?

[fervent garden]

Prepping for the future so I don't gotta add more pipes and shit that I don't need

[shy mulch]

What future are you imagining that a single pipe is needed for each coal gen

[signal shale]

just saying, a coal gen uses 45 water at 100%, and a water extractor provides 120 at 100%, you're leaving a lot of water unused that way.

[fervent garden]

So? I got infinite water-

[silk ocean]

Just press to oil and fuel xD

[shy mulch]

It's possible he's underclocking the water extractors to save on power

[fervent garden]

Actually all my extractors are connected to the same pipe 🦾

Nah I am not. Full power always

[signal shale]

I mean, you can do as you like, but...

[shy mulch]

And you're running 8 coal gens...?

[fervent garden]

6

[shy mulch]

I just don't understand why you'd bother with 6 water extractors then

[signal shale]

wait, are you trying to run 6 coal gens off a single mk 1 pipe?

[fervent garden]

I am not trying. I AM running 6 gens off a single pipe.

I got powers fucker. POWERS

[signal shale]

Oh. You don't put shards in your generators.

[shy mulch]

45x6=270 it's fine
But his 'future proofing' is kinda doing the opposite lol

[fervent garden]

Shards?

[ornate saffron]

Remember when you said biomatter was all you needed

[fervent garden]

We don't speak of that.

[silk ocean]

Why wouldn't you shard the generators, beats building more of them xD

[signal shale]

... work on the alien technology tree in the MAM. You can unlock the ability to turn slugs into power shards and somersloops to double machine outputs, too.

[fervent garden]

I can turn slugs into those power canister thingies

[stone python]

ya, power shards

[ornate saffron]

Maybe someone wants to fill up the space. The best part of the game is that there is many ways to do things

[silk ocean]

There is no right or wrong in this game

Filling up the space just potentially results in less FPS

Depending on your system, build a megafac and then find out

[fervent garden]

In all of my 50+ hours of playing, I have NEVER seen a fps drop.

[silk ocean]

You will do in time

[signal shale]

there are few wrongs in this game. Ignoring head lift or trying to feed more generators than a pipe can support are two of them.

[silk ocean]

It sounds like you're early game with a small fac if you're working on coal

[ornate saffron]

I live in extremes. My current save is around 300 hours my desktop is fine.

My laptop wants to die

[fervent garden]

I am not harming anyone with my way of playing.

[stone python]

no one said you were lol

[fervent garden]

Where the fuck did you come from

[stone python]

whats with the hostility

[signal shale]

I was specifically disagreeing with the idea that there is no wrong way to play. If you ignore head lift, you will be wondering why your power on a cliff above the water doeesn't work.

[fervent garden]

No hostility, Just how I talk.

[ornate saffron]

Trying to feed more? FEED ME SEYMOUR

[stone python]

just because that is how you talk doesnt mean it isnt hostile

[fervent garden]

Well don't think of it as hostility if I say it

[stone python]

i wish i could post my ff10 seymour gifs

[signal shale]

(technically, feeding exactly 600/s via mk 2 pipes is not wrong, per se, but it is... risky. )

[fervent garden]

How much sam am I going to need?

[signal shale]

yes

[silk ocean]

All of it

[fervent garden]

I guess it's good that I have a node in a cavern right below my base

[signal shale]

grassy fields, right?

[fervent garden]

Zatie you scare me just coming out of nowhere

[silk ocean]

What?

[fervent garden]

Cavern is at -242 2691

[silk ocean]

I've been here writing messages for the past 20 minutes

[somber monolith]

Are computers and heavy modular frames the only things I need to automate for phase 3?

[fervent garden]

I never noticed

[stone python]

best pl;ace to be at 4am

[silk ocean]

Not my problemo

[signal shale]

I don't have the map in front of me, which biome?

[fervent garden]

Flat grassy

[signal shale]

ah yeah, the SAM node in thee pit next to the big arch, right?

[fervent garden]

You know where that big crater is? That fits the space elevator perfectly? It's on the other side of that arch

[signal shale]

the big demon down there killed me so many times my first run through the gamee.

[fervent garden]

Good thing is I can put creatures on passive and it not disable achievements

[ornate saffron]

@stone python no typing in #off-topic-media lol

[stone python]

ya, its media only

[signal shale]

you don't have to do that, as long as you build and power a miner, the demon doesn't respawn.

(maybee just building onee is enough, I don't remember)

[shy mulch]

It's fine 🤷

[fervent garden]

It's been passive since I started. Fuck those spider fucks

[signal shale]

I call them demons for a reason, but also I have cats, so using arachnophobia mode is out.

[ornate saffron]

Your cats get jelly?

[fervent garden]

He doesn't wanna kill digital cats I don't think

[zealous pollen]

better jelly than competitive

[signal shale]

that and I don't want to get jumpy if my RL cats meow at mee.

[ornate saffron]

Fair

[fervent garden]

"Meow" FUCKING HELL PEANUT BUTTER

I have needed to automate smart plating for the past 2 days and I keep getting distracted

The fuck is a dimensional depot uploader

[signal shale]

oh you're new-new. The Dimensional Depot is basically hammerspace, and uploaders enter material into said hammerspace. These materials can then be used for building.

[fervent garden]

WAIT WHAT

HOW FAR IS THE RANGE

[signal shale]

map-wide. So you can set up uploaders for, say, iron plates and concrete and have (neearly) as many foundations as you desire to build available to you.

[fervent garden]

...

This power is too great..

I will never have to take shit out of my storage again..

PRAISE THE SATISFACTORY GODS

[signal shale]

note, you will have to first pull things out of the storage and put them into your regular inventory to use them for research or to submit them for unlocks.

[fervent garden]

STACK INCREASE?

[little shale]

Are resources from nodes infinite? E.g. iron deposit

[fervent garden]

Ye

[signal shale]

On an unrelated note, if you are reasonably confident in your exploration skills, I highly recommend you explore to get more hard drives before you unlock too much more some of thee early alternate recipes are ones you'll use for the rest of the game.

[signal shale]

yes, deposits are like Supreme Commander, not Warcraft.

[fervent garden]

Okay that alien voice scares me

Fuckers talking about my organs

Never thpught I would have to say "Leave my organs alone" EVER

Does the rebar gun take out those radioactive plants

[signal shale]

yes, if you unlock explosive rebar

that takes oil refining, though

[fervent garden]

I prob have oil laying around somewhere

Crashed stuff gives me stuff I don't got unlocked

I like how the rebar is rusty

Okay so the rebar gun is my new favorite tool

[signal shale]

I have to sleep, but welcome to Satisfactory, enjoy your stay.

[fervent garden]

Ty, Almost have 60 hours

[runic sage]

I just finished reprocessing all the uranium waste from my 40 overclocked power plants (1k waste per minute) into plutonium fuel rods

Now I'll wait for when I need more energy and put allat into powerplants

[fervent garden]

Automate it.. Please FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

[runic sage]

Automate what? Ficsonium? I don't really have a reason to even burn the plutonium cuz I make about 280gw and only use 70gw

[fervent garden]

Automate the turning waste into rods

[fluid sapphire]

aint nobody out here processing nuclear waste by hand

[fervent garden]

Better not be

I have an idea for when I do get into nuclear

I will have a conveyer system going all the way to the dunes where there will be atleast 100 of them storage box thingies so I never have to see that nuclear waste for atleast 3 months

[ornate saffron]

if you dont build nuclear you dont have to deal with the waste. Nuclear power is a option not a inevitability

[fluid sapphire]

you can always do rocket fuel

[ornate saffron]

absolutley

[fervent garden]

Rocket fuel vs nuclear. Explain?

[ornate saffron]

a rocket fuel setup for one pure oil node is 140gw of power

[fluid sapphire]

nuclear requires a lot of supporting extra stuff you need to build, and waste processing (or binning), rocket fuel is just straight up processing stuff in a few steps, pretty easy especially with the nitro rocket fuel alt

[ornate saffron]

morew then enough to beat the game and power a large build

[compact hollow]

i just started a new save...

[fluid sapphire]

i dont have a good nuclear chain to show you, but here is the simplest way to make a ton of rocket fuel, it makes 280GW of power

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=KyfTsGLctUqyxlwqzvhA

[fervent garden]

In your opinion, Which is better

[ornate saffron]

Rocket fuel is way easier and you can siphon some for your jetpack. it is myt preference

[fervent garden]

Not including all the things I have to do, Focusing mainly on the power outtake.

[fluid sapphire]

rocket fuel is much more return on a smaller effort investment

[ornate saffron]

agreed. Imma make nuclear anyways this run becuase i want to. But rocket fuel is my preference

[fluid sapphire]

i will make a nuclear plant too at some point, but i already have a massive rocket fuel plant

nuclear is more like a fun side project

[fervent garden]

Can I have both?

[fluid sapphire]

of course

[fervent garden]

Nuclear in the dunes so I barely have to see it and rocket fuel on my powerplant

[median geyser]

#screenshots message Please ignore the one random line that I used in a rush while gathering quartz earlier 😂

My question is; how do you guys handle significant elevation changes when using item busses over long distances?

[ornate saffron]

The dunes is full of great resources. make sure you scout it thoroughly be fore hand ^_^

[fluid sapphire]

i just try not to do it generally, process at the source as much as possible, ship by train

[ornate saffron]

replyed in #screenshots

[median geyser]

What would you define by "at the source"? How far would you pull individual belts in from to create local plants before the train shipment?

[fluid sapphire]

if i need quartz crystal for something, i make it where the node is, then ship it, thats actually an example for a short train trip for me, i have a train does travels like 600m hehe

but i am also a bit silly

[ornate saffron]

depoends on play style. Previous ruins i built directly ontop of the resource nods. this run I been making centralized factories in every biome

[hollow hazel]

Raw to Ingots at the very least. Maybe even designating each spot to a certain thing like Rods around one, Screws around another, Wire around another, etc.

[fluid sapphire]

once in a blue moon i do stuff like this

#screenshots message

curved mode belts/pipes attached to already existing infra

[ornate saffron]

I did directly answer your question though. My solution is modular conveyor bus towers

[median geyser]

Indeed, thats almost exactly what I was thinking, just done cleaner than I pictures 🙏

[ornate saffron]

though there is many solutions. I Generally dont like using Conveytor bus;s over long distance

[hollow hazel]

The only reason to pull raw ore to a mega base would be the Iron and Coal to turn into Steel.

[median geyser]

Im not against processing at site, but at some point, youre throwing items down range somehow

[fluid sapphire]

indeed

[ornate saffron]

in my case im moving 6000 copper ore to aingot refining factory then moving the ingots elsewhere via train

[median geyser]

Ore or finished products, somethings gotta move

[fluid sapphire]

i try to avoid long conveyors where i can, use lots of trains

[hollow hazel]

I wasn't that careful in my first playthrough. 😅

But when I got trains I did a few shuttle trains that carried things around.

[median geyser]

Ive dabbled only briefly with trains so far, and its been... buggy 😂 I dont understand what Ive broken, but at one stop my train takes a full 2-3 minutes to exchange 2 cars

[ornate saffron]

I was the spaghetti king during my first playthrough. Generative AI has nothing on me

[hollow hazel]

On par with LGIO? 🤣

[ornate saffron]

youll get there. Youll eventually trouble shoot learn and grow ^_^

[median geyser]

Right but like... theres no error codes for me to test with? The train drives fine, the settings at both stops are the same, theres only a single track with no signs or signals... but for whatever reason, at my main base station, it exchanges the carts 1 at a time instead of in sync, and it waits like 90s between them, then 90 more to leave

[fluid sapphire]

it depends on your loading/unloading settings

it sounds like its set to leave when fully unloaded/but there isnt enough room to unload sooner

usually thats not actually problem provided you have containers to buffer your ins/outs, connected to your freight platforms

thats pretty normal actually, most of my trains sit a while before unloading

[median geyser]

It unloads as soon as it docks, then sits for like 90s, then loads the other car. It is unloading usually less than 1 car worth of oil based items, and loading less than 300 black powder 😂

Its definitely not a volume issue

[fluid sapphire]

ah, ok, i cant comment on mixed trains

i keep my trains stupid simple, single product A to B

[median geyser]

Originally I thought thats just how trains do, one car at a time because automation or smth, and then I hitched a ride to the other station and watched it do both at once and was like... "Now hang on a fuckin second"

[dense violet]

don't use the 'wait until full' setting

[median geyser]

I dont, its set to leave after 1 exchange or 120s

[hollow hazel]

120s... hm...

[dense violet]

is ther ea wait until empty setting you're doing? cause it soundsl ike you're doing something very odd

afaik the only real current reail but atm placing some junctions too close to an intersection

[median geyser]

No junctions, this is my first train loop, just main base to oil field 2km away and back. 1 line in a loop

[dense violet]

yeah I think you've just done something odd

can do some overhead shots of your train set up and images of your UI settings at the stations in a #1038092680493801533 ? might reveal something

[median geyser]

where would I find the wait until empty?

[dense violet]

I mean if it exists I wouldn't use it

but it'll be in the station or platforms settings

[fluid sapphire]

freight platforms only have load/unload setting, what you are looking for is in the schedule settings, you have to get on the train for that

[median geyser]

I have found the issue

When you change the settings in the train, you have to click save TWICE

[fluid sapphire]

oh lol

[median geyser]

Ive been changing it to "exchange once", and then saving, and then clicking the orange X above the map

[hollow hazel]

That ❌ close window in the corner is very dangerous... and so is the Esc key.... and clicking outside the window...

[median geyser]

Alright well thats one reason Ive been pulling my hair out solved 😂 If you search this channel for messages ive sent about trains, youll get a wonderful montage of a man falling into insanity

[hollow hazel]

*men
Plural.
You are not alone.

[ornate saffron]

I should be bald lol

[median geyser]

My other question about moving materials is if you guys use trains after processing at or near the nodes, does this mean that, for example, across the plains biome, youd have a dozen tiny 1-building factories that process say 300 iron/min or something like that, and then just a bunch of rails feeding around?

[ornate saffron]

in the past i had many factories in each biome. I found clusters of resources I needed and built right there

[dense violet]

depends on you
personally I put down a factory in a location where I have like 90% of the resources I need nearby, then train in the last of it. Or drone

[runic sage]

i have automated plutonium rods i just sink them

[barren arch]

🦃

[fluid sapphire]

those ingots are getting processed into something like plates or rods, which dont require anything additional, so that would fall under "process locally"

in general its easier to ship more dense stuff

[hollow hazel]

Like frames or smarts.

[fluid sapphire]

suppose

for me, something like motors. i can make motors from iron only, so it makes little sense for me to ship precursors to make the motors elsewhere, might as well compress all my iron into motors and ship that

[hollow hazel]

See, here (in my "new" playthrough) I take a chunk of iron nodes and go straight to the tier part: #screenshots message
I later built a motor house behind that, and AutoWire to the right.

[ornate saffron]

im making 2300 Copper powder. so ill make that where the ore is lol

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737>

Recent livestream: Mikael talks about his turtle ring
Recent YouTube video: Jason has his TMNT mug out

conclusion: Turtles in 1.2

[fluid sapphire]

there are exceptions to everything for sure

[ornate saffron]

@median geyser In the end youll work out what vibes best for you ^_^

[sharp pier]

Can I somehow unload multiple fluids on a same train station?

[remote orbit]

I need explosives for the caterium ore depo at -924, 2814 dont I?

[ornate saffron]

if there is giant boulders with cracks then yes

[remote orbit]

Damnit, was going to farm some caterium up early game 😭

[ornate saffron]

find some sulfer and get that boom

[hollow hazel]

There is a caterium by the waterfall.

[desert charm]

Well after 193 hours of spaghetti and bad decisions, i have concluded project assembly

[hard ivy]

Same station? Sure, use one platform per fluid type. Same platform? Likely impossible

[desert charm]

still regret some mistakes but hopefully i carry the knowledge and experience to the next world

[silk ocean]

@leaden turret saw a post on reddit, someone had made canals.... boats for 1.2? xD

[tough turtle]

Hello I have a problem with blueprints, can someone help me?

I put a design in blueprints designer, I save it, but when I want to build don t show the blue indicator, also the friend Wich I play on co op don t see my blueprints, why?

[remote orbit]

I've found some caterium here and there but the most recent research I got for it was cat ingots 😅

[hard ivy]

Session name is not a valid directory name. Need to change it to something that is

[dense violet]

different platforms? sure

[sharp pier]

So the trains automatically will use the right platform for the fluid? If I have two?

[remote orbit]

Might have to go on a sulphur hunt then 😭

[dense violet]

they'll deliver it to the platforms you have them set to

[tough turtle]

You mean the blueprints director need to be the same name as the session?

[sharp pier]

I can say what platform they should use?

[hollow hazel]

Not really. Locomotive always stops at the station's head. So the first platform will empty the first car. If the first car has water then you will get water out.

[hard ivy]

No, wagons only unload to the platform they're docked to. If only the 2nd platform is dedicated for water, you can only load water into the 2nd wagon.

[dense violet]

well yo ubuild the station in such a way that cars match platforms

so yes, in that way you tell them exactly which platforms to use

[sharp pier]

But my main station would have only the fluids on platform NR5

[stray field]

I'm building a factory using like 200 iron
Should I use a row of splitters to go into the machines? Or should I split it evenly into each machine?

[dense violet]

and?

you need to build it in such a way that each fluid has its own platform

[hollow hazel]

Then your train's fifth car will be the fluid car.

[hard ivy]

The game automatically creates a blueprint directory with the same name as the session name. If the session name is not a valid name for a directory (contains spaces at the beginning or end, or certain special characters), the game cannot create it and blueprints don't get saved. To fix this, you need to change the session name to something else that doesn't contain illegal characters

[sharp pier]

But if I want a train with only one car? Impossible?

[hollow hazel]

Then you have a station with only one fluid out platform.

[dense violet]

well you can't have more than 1 fluid on one platform

[sharp pier]

I have multiple trains

[sharp pier]

I have many trains

[dense violet]

you could have multiple trains with 1 car and different stations? or empty cars? lots of ways to manage it

[stray field]

?

[leaden turret]

use multiple stations

-# problem solved

[sharp pier]

Maybe that’s the best way to do it .

[leaden turret]

satisfactory is not a cocktail bar, fluids do not mix

[silk ocean]

But.... blenders xD

[hollow hazel]

and if they did, good luck separating them.

[sharp pier]

Yeah but why I can’t say train A use platform A, train B use platform B

[hollow hazel]

That is the way the game works.

[leaden turret]

only one station

[dense violet]

you could, have an empty platform on another train.

Engine - Car
Engine - blank - Car

[hollow hazel]

Train's front ALWAYS stops at Station's Head. Work with that.

[hard ivy]

Because both trains will stop at the same spot if sent to the same station.

[dense violet]

but you want to avoid having a ton of trains stopping at the same station

[fluid sapphire]

1 train = 1 product. 2 stations A and B, product goes from A to B, avoids any and all headache

[leaden turret]

trains do not stop at platforms, they stop at stations

[silk ocean]

They also stop at Buffers xD

[hollow hazel]

Then why do they always announce "Southbound train now arriving at platform 2?" 😄

[leaden turret]

that's passenger trains.

satisfactory has no passenger trains.

[silk ocean]

What would be quite nice like TTD where you can have multiple track stations, and trains take whichever platform is available

[median geyser]

Because if you dont designate a spot for humans to stand, theres going to be a crowd of idiots on the tracks when the train arrives. So you number different parts of your station as platforms. Idiot prevention

[leaden turret]

not idiot prevention.

idiot redistribution

[hard ivy]

People who do mixed trains baffle me. I do one type of item per train, and not only do I get to utilise the train to the max, the item management is easy. All platforms on a station with "iron ingot" contain iron ingots. Simple

[median geyser]

Fair, I suppose idiot prevention is just condoms 😂

[median geyser]

wait this isnt a thing?

[leaden turret]

irregular reminder: contraceptives aren't 100% effective

[fluid sapphire]

people just like to suffer 🤷

[hard ivy]

The issue is only smart people use those

[silk ocean]

You have to name each station uniquely so I don't think so

As far as I'm aware xD

If not then I am a fewl

[median geyser]

Couldnt you just have like 7 trains and 7 stations, all fed by 1 main line between A and B, but they sort themselves out at the last second?

[remote orbit]

Id personally have a row of splitters it may not be the most efficient strategy but it works

[hard ivy]

You don't, but then you have 2 different stations with the same name on the list. And if you put in one in the timetable the train will consistently go to that one, you just cannot tell which until you send one train there

[silk ocean]

Yea I have like A,B,C and specify each train to each station

[hard ivy]

Manifolds are as efficient as 1:n balancers. The balancer just gets there faster

[silk ocean]

Interesting, I need to do some experimentation

So really each station is timetabled with the underlying ID/number I guess, the name is just for user comfort

[fluid sapphire]

imagine if databases used names only

[silk ocean]

A database could have the name column as the index/unique field

[fluid sapphire]

it could but thats a major pain in the neck to work with

[silk ocean]

Pretty much, techniqually possible, but would tend to agree

[somber monolith]

How am I supposed to get my pipes to fill im making the same amount it’s going into but the pipes are empty

[leaden turret]

are you having a headlift problem?

[somber monolith]

No it’s all on one level

[remote orbit]

There u go @stray field

[somber monolith]

Do pipe manifolds take time to start like regular manifolds?

[hard ivy]

Ofc?

[remote orbit]

Wtf is satisfactories conveyor mapping 😭

[dense violet]

huh?

[somber monolith]

Idk if works diffrent

[remote orbit]

Hang on I'll send in #screenshots

[hollow hazel]

Yeah, it takes time, but also how long is your manifold? It could be getting "drained" half-way and would necessitate a loop back. Like from your source you split it off and fill from both ends.

[somber monolith]

It’s about 15 fuel gens long

[hollow hazel]

Yeah, that could do it.

[somber monolith]

So what should I do then

[dense violet]

yeah it's too steep

[hollow hazel]

I just said. Make a loop.

[remote orbit]

"Too steep" but if I move it back a bit its PERFECTLY FINE???

[hollow hazel]

No. Too steep still.

[dense violet]

dif belt modes, but that looks like a bug, shouldnt build that steep

[somber monolith]

To the end of the pipe or to the middle

[hard ivy]

Idk what's y'all's obsession with loops. All of my shit always works without them. And, in fact, the few times I tried one, it just made it worse

[dense violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1437076609000800307/image.png?ex=69192da3&is=6917dc23&hm=a515ecff966d3fdb10e37d2f0ef494d48936c98784617992dc738ad132fbfbdc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1304&height=1017

[somber monolith]

Thx

[remote orbit]

Its been doing that since I started playing 😭 it gives me an invalid belt placement but if I move it back or change the build mode (often resulting in the same outcome) its perfectly fine, this game goofy as

[dense violet]

console ports

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> Jason censoring mild swears in audio, but leaving f-bombs in text ? 😛

[hard ivy]

It's because you're in straight mode

[stray field]

So it doesn't matter either way?

[remote orbit]

Rude 😂

[stray field]

Cuz im splitting to like 15 constructor

[hollow hazel]

Straight mode has always been gay. 😂

[remote orbit]

I still think its weird, regardless of the situation 😂

[remote orbit]

Seems like its only good for getting neat asf conveyor lines 😔

I should just pipe smart plating to the space elevator right? Or is it used for smth else later on?

[hollow hazel]

Straight works best on level surfaces. There is the occasional moment when it will slope from one height to another. But sometimes you just have to mix things up a bit. One part Default, one part Straight, one part Curved.

In my experience if I want to turn around and slope, I first go from where I am to make the turn at the same height (three steps forwards, three steps to the right), then from there I pull a straight slope, and then I turn again.

[hard ivy]

Space elevator parts are only needed for the space elevator. But every part that's used once is also used in all the next phases

[dense violet]

used in more space parts

[remote orbit]

Yeah I've noticed that aswell

[dense violet]

good to keep a store of them

[leaden turret]

tfw you realise Jason wears socks with sandals

[remote orbit]

So just make a storage containers next to the elevator if I need more sort of thing?

[dense violet]

or just a storage of them somewhere where you might make the next stage. Not super important. Easy to move if needed

[deft gust]

Anyone know if there's any major point to the animal protein apart from sinking it?

[remote orbit]

Bet, think I'll just shove then Into the elevator as I've got 1k of them to make

[leaden turret]

renewable biomass

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch alien protein

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=alien+protein

[dense violet]

you can make inhalers from it too

[leaden turret]

huff that mince meat

[hollow hazel]

Kinda like this: Smart plate split off to a storage space, and a new belt to the next construction when it is time to use them. When you need to feed the Space Elev you manually carry them to the Space Elev.

[dense violet]

Meat Huff Inc.

[leaden turret]

@open bone Radioactive Hog incense sticks, when? 😅

[dense violet]

should be an alt

[hollow hazel]

make a mod suggestion 😉

[leaden turret]

gives you mental image of a FICSIT Hippy Supplies store with the Ocarina of Time Goron City music playing in the background

[remote orbit]

I haven't unlocked the next recipe so it can just go into the elevator and a container for now XD

[leaden turret]

Dave does the Merch.

-# they sell Satisfactory-scented candles

[hollow hazel]

Right. That. Not ingame decor for the hub. Actual stick on your desk.

[leaden turret]

nah, would need a full set of meditation gear

[hollow hazel]

Always good to future proof.

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> Does FICSIT have an employee yoga programme to keep Pioneers limber enough to traverse their factories?

[leaden turret]

^for anyone not familiar: #off-topic-media message

[hollow hazel]

Oh, well, might as well anyways QA for a hippie pattern for the pioneer suit. 😂 ☮️

[deft gust]

Oh also I have 2 industrial storage containers just full of smart plating. Am I ok to deconstruct that part of my factory to use the iron nodes for something else?

[leaden turret]

tie dye suit skin, bong helmet

[hollow hazel]

Check the wiki (following the production chain) to make sure you are no longer in need of them.

[restive quarry]

do you know if you can build something in a creative world and create a bluebrint and copy it in to your main world?

[hollow hazel]

It can work. You'll see the cost later and go "Why Did I Build That!?"

[leaden turret]

iirc, consoles don't have cross-save blueprints

[restive quarry]

im on pc

but it is a blueprint that is a lot bigger than what will fit into a blueprint designer mk3

[hollow hazel]

Oh, well, then you are gonna need to do something else, like SCIM it. You build, you save, you use SCIM to turn it into Megaprint, then you load your ordinary save and load in this Megaprint.

[sterile blade]

Iirc, the order is:

• Belts/pipes
• Power cable
• Hypertube
• Rail
• Power cable between power towers

[dim cradle]

I think all space parts are used later for something. Just don't bother deconstructing anything, make new stuff. Or when you get a better miner/belts, split off at the source and use it for another factory.

Well, after phase 5 you can safely get rid of all of them

[ornate saffron]

the only space part used for other things is the nuclear pasta. All others are used for the space elevator or other space elevator parts

[little shale]

Does awesome sink not process beryl nut? It's stuck

[ornate saffron]

dm'd

[formal fable]

I don't think so

[dim cradle]

Well yeah that's why I made that followup. Though you're right, pasta is the exception...

[ornate saffron]

it does not

[little shale]

Ugh so I have to trial and error yeah

[ornate saffron]

this is a thing that kept tripping me up so i made a spreadsheet with workinbg links to remind me lol

[dim cradle]

Better learn to love Nuclear Pasta because it's used for a decent amount of crap...

[formal fable]

the mercer spheres and somersloops don't go in as well

[dim cradle]

Or rather just one thing that's used in a few late game things.

[formal fable]

the bacon mushroom thing and paleberries too

[ornate saffron]

a rule of thumb i tell myself is base organics do not go into the sink. they need to be refined

[little shale]

Ok that's fair. Thanks

[hard ivy]

there's a list on the wiki

[formal fable]

early game is it better to start automation as soon as possible or explore

[round matrix]

i like to set up some automation to let that run while i explore

[zenith pecan]

I misread automation as ammunition for some reason, but yeah automation is a good idea even on a very small scale (ammo too is handy) then go look around 😄

[ornate saffron]

American?

[zenith pecan]

No mate, I spell things correctly 😛 , I'm in the UK

[ornate saffron]

lol fair. I use a Colony english

[zenith pecan]

Just bleary eyed and still half asleep 🙂

[ornate saffron]

gotcha, I got up 4 hours ago, around 430 Eastern

[zenith pecan]

Spent 17 hours sorting the mess that is my Batocera linux machine and managed to finally head to bed by 0711 😬

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

i prefilled the pipes, but after running for a few minutes they all slowly defill? i have 600 crude oil/minute and 8 refineries with plastic recipe, 250% overclock. is that fine? or did i do smth wrong

[zenith pecan]

Result was me oversleeping.

[zenith pecan]

Without seeing the full lay of your pipes, I can't really diagnose what's choking it out 🙁

[scenic mirage]

lemme make a post in #1038092680493801533

[ornate saffron]

I bought a SSD for my NAS so i can duel boot into Linux. I haven't pulled the trigger yet though. I no next to nothing about linux. I want to learn though.

I really hate AI being shoved into everything windows (plus many other windows issues)

[zenith pecan]

Tell me about it, I'm aiming to install Ubuntu onto my spare desktop so I can play with it, one of my first installs will be steam and some games to see what works and what doesn't.

I am curious to see how satisfactory performs with no windows in the background taking up processor time.

[ornate saffron]

A friend from work has a lot of success using Mint ( which is based on ubunto from what i understand)

[zenith pecan]

For windows, I can't say a great deal without violating rules on piracy, but W11 ltsc has 0 AI crap and fluff (you might need to install external drivers) but google massgrave (one word) , it is the last I'll say on it due to rules.

[pliant prawn]

Lost three hours yesterday to pipe weirdness. Let's see if I can figure out what happened in the next three hours. Also why are the pipe indicators not showing up on long pipes? Is that intentionally changed?

[zenith pecan]

You're not using the clean pipes by mistake are you?

Those don't have indicators.

[pliant prawn]

That was my first thought but no, it's picking the right buildable, and if it's a short section say like ten meters it's fine. But if I do longer it doesn't come with an indicator, or places it really weird

Like even when I went to delete them, it said it was the normal pipe not the clean

[zenith pecan]

Hmm, not cool, I really should get my wet concrete plant going and see for myself if something is busted 🙁

[ornate saffron]

just made a max legnth mk2 pipe and the idicator was there. That being said I have had other weird bugs similiar to this with pipes

[pliant prawn]

Sounds good. I wondered if maybe because of build mode I was in, like straight maybe stopped it? I'll let you know if I find anything different today

[ornate saffron]

for example the pipe look.... pinched on angles. like to tappered ends with the skinniest points facing eachother. reloading my world fixed this

[zenith pecan]

I'm not sure, I had drunken behaviour with belts and straight mode: #screenshots message & #screenshots message , that's still not fixed as far as I can tell.

[barren arch]

when i will be able to mine uranium

[pliant prawn]

Yeah I've had some of that for sure. But hey I saw they kinda got vertical splits working better while I was away so that was cool to find!

[pliant prawn]

Pretty late game. What stage are you at?

[barren arch]

phase 3, ig i wont be able to get it now

i found like 8 uranium things

[zenith pecan]

Vertical splitters were a headache when I got two of my slender towers built, I'll revisit next patch 😄

[ornate saffron]

tier 8 i thinks

[barren arch]

hazmat suit too?

[pliant prawn]

Should be in 4 I thought, you'll get a suit, a filter for the suit, and then be able to dive in. It's not really necessary if you don't want to though.

[ornate saffron]

i do believe so

[zenith pecan]

In spite of that headache, the slender towers are functionally awesome, all within the footprint of the miner, but ingots are exported instead of ore 😄

[barren arch]

nice

thanks for the answers

[ornate saffron]

some portions are in the MAM to. you need filters

[zenith pecan]

Technically you can mine the uranium sooner, but you need to do it at arms length, and just belt into a sink for a small number of coupons.

[pliant prawn]

Got pics anywhere? I did a single refinery wide tall af spike for caterium once

[zenith pecan]

This tower is incomplete (still is) but producing at full whack: #design-and-architecture message

[zenith pecan]

The two towers in the first clip feed this monstrosity of a quartz facility #screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

Praise the fucking sun

[bitter pine]

yes now how to switch offline @spice patio

[spice patio]

Didn't help with current game version.
But in Steam, click the Steam text on top left for menu that has "Go Offline" as option.

Basically seems that CSS has fucked up something and made offline play now completely impossible in current game version.

Unless there is timeout.

[marble gulch]

Basic iron ingot, cheap silica or re roll?

[bitter pine]

solved

[spice patio]

Ok, timed out after time and allowed to menu.

[bitter pine]

but idk about the keybinding

which key do what?

[ornate saffron]

if you can find a good use for either take one. if not id let it just sit and find more Hard drives.

[ornate saffron]

if you have no use for either leaving them without selecting one removes them from the pool of options until you do select one

[bitter pine]

i will become mad if i set the keybinding like mine

😭

[spice patio]

?

[bitter pine]

i do not know what key is nessesery for what?

idk how to play this game?

[spice patio]

No key needed?
Point was to just wait in that spinner until it times out and shows error, and allows you to get into the Main Menu.

[bitter pine]

no man in the game

[spice patio]

Key for what then?

[bitter pine]

gameplay keybinding

i want to set it like mine

[marble gulch]

Kk ty

[spice patio]

I have no idea what you are now trying to do, or asking about, or whatever you are trying to communicate.

[bitter pine]

i can not understand the keybinding

also i can not build

[spice patio]

What keybinding?
I have talked about any keybindings at any time.
I have no idea what you are talking about.

[bitter pine]

ok listen

can u check the screenshot

[spice patio]

And you still didn't specify what you are talking about.
Yes, the game has customizable keybinds.
With some that are partially bugged if changed.
But you still haven't specified anything about what you are talking about or what you are trying to do.

[polar skiff]

You have to pull out your build gun and try to build something so that a hologram is visible before you can start using the nudge keybinds.

Is that the issue?

[zenith pecan]

Now I have the game loaded, I might just as well get cracking with the wet concrete plant so I can reroute all the limestone in the dunes to encased frames.

[remote orbit]

I've learnt that the hard way a couple times already 🤣

[bitter pine]

i gathered some resources like sulphur, iron ore,wood,leaves but i want to build the first machine, i can hold the small gadgetby typing F but how to build.

[spice patio]

Open build menu, select machine, point somewhere, click to build.
IIRC Q for the build menu.

[bitter pine]

ooo ok

[spice patio]

ADA should tell you all that during Tier 0 onboarding.

[bitter pine]

yes she always tell anything

[spice patio]

And the keybinds should show up in lower right screen.

[bitter pine]

yes

[zenith pecan]

Future proofing can be challenging in an initial build, the best approach is to allow space for changes and/or expansion down the line, adding floors is one way if you allow for it in the structure.

Eww, my coffee went cold, brb.

[light shell]

hello people, short question : How do I place a drill on a "normal" resource spot ? I keep doing it by hand or with a small drill but the little mob atop isnt disappearing

[spice patio]

If there is deposit on the node, that needs to be hand-mined away, by pointing at it and then mining.

[light shell]

I have been doing that for the past 15min now

[remote orbit]

Yeah I've made a plant that'll be and to hold a 16:6 coal plant so that when i move my coal genes away from my base so i have more room for activities at the base and that'll help clear some space

[spice patio]

Not at the main node, at the deposit itself.

[robust brook]

Screenshot it and show it

[hard ivy]

not the node. the small rock in the middle

[robust brook]

Before mining any nodes you gotta break the rock in the middle

[spice patio]

And cannot be done with portable miners, only by hand.

[robust brook]

If you have a real miner on a node you cant also use portable ones

[light shell]

ah yes, the view was clipping through the rock and mining the ground. mb people, really sorry

[bitter pine]

can u tell me about nudge?

froward or backward

[polar skiff]

You used to be able to if you had the small ones far enough away from the middle

[spice patio]

Have hologram out, press H to "lock" the hologram, then use the nudge keys to move it around.

While being able to move freely to view it all around as needed.

[bitter pine]

ok

[steel kelp]

I’m building a train hub for my mega base. Im planning to bring in iron, limestone, copper, coal, caterium, quartz, sam and aluminium ingots and drone in a few other complex buildable i have automated. Should i bother bringing sulfur in?

[verbal wren]

should you use the same type of pipes for an entire pipeline (so avoid transition between mk1 and mk2 pipes) or was that bug already fixed?

[zenith pecan]

Invisible/bugged limestone ftw #screenshots message , I figured I'd try the miner after repeatedly scanning, what a pain.

[spice patio]

Another one where the graphics are inside ground.

Tiny bit too low.

[verbal wren]

like in #screenshots , can i use mk2 pipe for the main pipe and use mk1 pipe to connect to the refinery?

[zenith pecan]

Workable but it delayed the construction of my wet concrete facility while I derped around.

[steel kelp]

Yeah its fine

[steel kelp]

Like you want to split the 600 from the mk2 into 2 mk1 pipes right?

[verbal wren]

ya

[steel kelp]

It can get a bit funky, so just read the fluids manual on how you can stop backflow w a pump

[frail sleet]

equal splits work perfectly

like 600/600 into 300/600 + 300/600

[verbal wren]

cuz the input into each ref doesnt require that much flow

yeah i want equal splits

[steel kelp]

Yea it works then

[verbal wren]

kk

[steel kelp]

I had to put some pumps toward the split to mitigate some sloshing

[frail sleet]

unequal splits require flowrate headroom, sounds like you're doing those to feed refineries

[steel kelp]

But maybe i just did it wrong

[hard ivy]

unequal splits are fine. unequal merges have issues

[frail sleet]

unequal splits are not fine

i have thoroughly tested and documented

[hard ivy]

never had issues feeding 600/min manifolds from the end

but outputting a 600/min from the end did cause issues

[frail sleet]

sent you save file which clearly shows uneven split causing sloshing and breaking flow. If it flowed at 600, it would sustain 20GW power.

it happens most severely at the junction which feeds the first generator, and you can see that the input pipe gets choked massively at intermittent times.

it's the most simple setup possible, just a straight manifold on flat ground with 1 junction per gen.

and it does not work, nobody has ever been able to make it work from what i've seen.

All that you need to demonstrate that behavior is an input pipe, a junction, one output which is uncapped and one which has a semi-dead-end (like a generator consuming only some fluid). Fluid bouncing in and out of the dead end will choke the input/output path.

[hard ivy]

ig I'll take a look later, but so far every issue with a 600/min pipe i've ever had was with creating it, not consuming it

[robust brook]

It’s probally one that looks like stone but cracked right

[frail sleet]

output may be more sensitive, but both have the same issue

There are various mitigations which increase complexity and add building limitations (such as height variations, mixing pipe mk's, spamming pumps etc) but i've never seen a working manifold move 600/600 turbofuel with a single input from the end without bug abuse. The more unequal the split, the more it breaks.

[robust brook]

You need later game stuff to get to that node

[spice patio]

No, there are multiple nodes that don't have deposits or blocking rocks, but the node graphics themselves are accidentally just inside the ground.
Map making mistake.

[robust brook]

Ss?

Not that I don’t believe you I’ve just never seen that before

[spice patio]

Moment.

[robust brook]

Just checked ss and Simone’s having the same bug

Must be a glitch on the most recent patch

[spice patio]

Ok, the classic case with iron node north of grass fields had been fixed, so need to go find that specific one...

[barren arch]

any tips for the game run smoother? im playing like 20fps, but it only happens when im like 30 minutes in the game

[spice patio]

There used to be about 5 such nodes, some were fixed for 1.0.

[barren arch]

my graphics are on minimum

[robust brook]

Wait but when you hover over the node can you see the text that says [nodetype] pure/normal/impure

[robust brook]

What kinda specs do you have

The biggest thing is making smaller factories farther from each other

[barren arch]

rx570, ryzen 5 3600, 16 ram, 1tb ssd

[robust brook]

So that the other ones can go out of render distance

Yeah

I mean you can try to play the game

But I have a pretty mid tier setup with a 4070 it and it only runs at 40% on max graphics so idk why you can’t play

[fervent garden]

Alright no more playing around, I have to automate smart plating.

[barren arch]

i can play it, but is only run smooth when i join the game, if i stay for like 30 minutes it starts going 20fps

[robust brook]

That’s cuz you spend a lot of time in a specific area

Things can’t despawn so they pile up

It happens to me when I afk near more than 100 batteries

At least I think it is

[fluid sapphire]

power storage units seem to be a special case of ultra-lagfest when there are many

[robust brook]

Yeah it really sucks cuz I like making huge batteries once I unlock them because having 10 hours of game time to rebuild my power when I tear it down is nice

[white dawn]

(Though the real question is: why tear down your power in the first place? )

[robust brook]

To upgrade to new power

[white dawn]

I think the only power I've ever torn down across all my playthroughs (apart from Phase 1 bio burners) is a single Compacted Coal coal array, 'cause I wanted that sulfur for something else

[white dawn]

Eh, just keep the old stuff and add new, IMO

There's too many resources on the map to worry about using up a few nodes on power

[frail sleet]

that behavior sounds like running out of RAM and/or VRAM. Make sure that both are below 80% usage.

[white dawn]

I've literally never finished a playthrough without sitll having my original coal plants online

[robust brook]

Usually when I upgrade to new power it’s cuz my old stuff started going red and I unlocked a new power type

[fluid sapphire]

i built a tower of 8000 power storage units and deleted everything on my map, to get a sort of soft reset. it powered me for the next 250 hours give or take

[robust brook]

lol

[white dawn]

Plus then you get the advantage of not being on a "timer" to build your new power

[fluid sapphire]

if the timer is long enough, it doesnt matter xd

[white dawn]

True, but there's still very little to gain from tearing down old power in the first place, IMO

Just keep those MWs, even if they're small by your new standards. :)

[fluid sapphire]

peace of mind knowing that i could rebuild everything better

[robust brook]

I wanna do that but I put like 150ish in a box in early 1.1 and whenever I was within 1000 meters of it I couldn’t look at it

[south sinew]

I simply subscribe to the Einsteinian philosophy; the best solution is one with nothing left to take away

[robust brook]

I mean if your in grassy and your tearing down coal

Since coal is so scare around there

[charred sandal]

Trying to start working on nuclear for the first time...

So you HAVE to start with plants burning uranium in order to make plutonium

And so on with ficsoniun

[hard ivy]

yeah, the full chain is uranium ore -> uranium rods -> uranium waste -> plutonium rods -> plutonium waste -> ficsonium rods

[fervent garden]

Well fucking hell, Before I automate smart plating I need to automate steel

[white dawn]

Even if I start in grassy fields, my coal power is generally built elsewhere (either of the two closest northern points, generally)

But I expand in general. Using up a coal node somewhere doesn't bother me; there's lots more coal out there

[little shale]

What menu do I use to craft the xeno-basher?

[south sinew]

it's in the equipment workshop

[ornate saffron]

this is the way

[white dawn]

Equipment Workshop; may have to build one. :)

[hard ivy]

you can check in the codex

[little shale]

Hm not there

[south sinew]

did you research the xeno-basher

[spice patio]

#screenshots message

[bitter pine]

tell me my friend how to remove hub?

[spice patio]

Dismantle like any other thing?
F by default.

[little shale]

ADA just told me about it...

[hard ivy]

check codex

[zenith fractal]

equipment workshop?

[hard ivy]

if it's in the codex, you have it unlocked and it tells you where it's made

if it's not there, you don't have it unlocked

[little shale]

How?

[hard ivy]

O on PC

[little shale]

Thanks

[spice patio]

One node where the graphics had been underground for long time had been corrected.
Another was removed/moved.
And I don't personally know the locations for rest of the "known" instances.
So cannot show better than that same where the node graphics are invisible even underground.

[charred sandal]

Christ nuclear is a lot

[white dawn]

It'd be worth posting your problem to #1038092680493801533 btw. As you can see, it's easy for that kind of thing to get buried in here. Include as much info as you can, etc

[zenith fractal]

nuclear fun

I like eating the funny green rocks

[white dawn]

You can stick to just Uranium if you want, which is quite straightforward. That does accumulate waste pretty quickly, but it's still pretty easy to build yourself literally hundreds of hours of storage

[zenith fractal]

the waste can turn into rods to then turn into awesome points

[zenith pecan]

Reprocessing the uranium into plutonium rods then sunk are profitable.

[white dawn]

Oh sure, just saying that if someone's feeling overwhelmed by nuclear, sticking up Uranium-only is a pretty big simplification

Uranium itself should pose few challenges at that point

[zenith pecan]

True, I find uranium waste piles up very quickly though.

[south sinew]

you can easily spam ISCs to hold the waste for hundreds of hours

[white dawn]

Yeah, though IMO it's still quite manageable

I've done enough pre-Plutonium nuclear setups that I'm pretty blasé about waste in general. :D

[hard ivy]

with uranium waste, you need several times more ISCs, though. not very conveneint unless you have like 5 reactors

[zenith fractal]

remember, waste can be gotten rid of if you launch yourself into the void with a full inventory.

[hard ivy]

it'll be in a death crate

[zenith fractal]

still no longer my problem

[south sinew]

yeah, but still several times more than very little is not very much, I used 15 reactors I think and it was a nonissue

[zenith fractal]

I think

[zenith pecan]

Braver than me, I don't even start the reactors without a management plan in place.

That said, it does also depend on how big your nuclear setup is, storing uranium waste from 100 reactors isn't ideal, yet from 10-15 is far less of an issue.

[little shale]

If I kill a monster and build something nearby does it prevent it's from respawning?

[ornate saffron]

a machine that is powered? for sure

anything less idk

[fluid sapphire]

anything less is unreliable, i have some of those fire throwing goofballs living in a basement

[white dawn]

Heh, by "pre-Plutonium" I really meant, like, Update 3, at which point Plutonium wasn't even a thing

But yeah, nowadays with big blueprinters and autoconnect belts, constructing yourself some gigantic Waste Storage Cubes is pretty trivial

[zenith pecan]

Back then, uranium waste accumulated way slower and (well nuclear waste back then) and the reactors produced power on demand instead of going full tilt.

[white dawn]

Anyway, I certainly agree that Plutonium is great (whether you sink or burn), but if someone's feeling overwhelmed by nuclear in general, IMO sticking with Uranium at first is entirely feasible

(And I also feel like someone feeling overwhelmed by nuclear probably isn't making a huge nuclear buildout, either)

[zenith pecan]

My very first nuclear build was 100 reactors, that thing produced so much waste.

[kindred hinge]

What do the drop pods with no item shadows take? The little box where I put the item doesn’t have a showdown in it or anything and it’s not telling me I need power

[cursive crane]

Just pull the lever

Should open

[white dawn]

I don't know if anyone's ever actually gotten into the math -- I assume that modders have maybe dug that far down. But my understanding is that each spawn has a point threshhold at which it'll stop respawning, and every buildable of yours has a point value which contributes to that (within a certain range; maybe it drops off? or maybe it's a hard cut). And yeah, powered buildings contribute more points

So you definitely don't need powered machines, but if all you have is architecture you might need a lot more

In practice I've found that a couple Power Storages nearby tends to be enough to keep most spawnpoints from respawning, and then you get some warm fuzzies from having some Power Storage strewn about

[fluid sapphire]

its a bit of an awkward corner where they hang out, they dont bother me as they are passive

[zenith fractal]

ya know i am kinda embarrassed how long it took me to realise that rocket fuel is a gas

I assumed it was a liquid like all the other petroleum based fuels

[floral trellis]

which planning tool was the preferred one?

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[pliant prawn]

I. Hate. Pipes. Thank you for coming to my ted talk

Not sure what I deleted and rebuilt that jiggled the pipes right, but theyre working again...for now grumblegrumble

[green fiber]

dont overcomplicate it

[white dawn]

Heh, you're not alone. :)

[white dawn]

In addition to sftools, a lot of folks like Satisfactory Modeller, too (which is on Steam). Personally it's not for me, but folks who use it tend to love it

[pliant prawn]

Honestly McGal yesterday I thought of just rplacing every single pipe with a independent packager line would be more sensible then these things. My save is 800hrs, the system i just 'fixed' had been running for nearly 400. And theres not a @#$% thing in game that will tell me whats wrong when it breaks. Its not even that complicated a system

[white dawn]

(Note that sftools is a solver/calculator (ie: plug in "I want 25/min Resource X" and it spits out a factory plan for you), whereas Modeller is more of a planner/modeller which just happens to do a lot of the math for you)

[green fiber]

would have been interesting to see it in the "broken" state because that tends to be pretty telling

also it depends on what exactly you are making / the system layout

[pliant prawn]

all I did this time was rearrange the fluid tower pipes. i had them all just chained in but I rearranged it to give them all an independent lifter valve

[green fiber]

theres a reason i dont use fluid towers

let alone that trick

the valve set to 0 thing is no longer reliable

[pliant prawn]

but it works?

[bitter pine]

@spice patio how to use energy like power

[pliant prawn]

I set it to 1

[green fiber]

an what did it look like before that?

[fervent garden]

I've automated steel pipes, steel ingots and steel beams all in one go. CLAP FOR ME

[pliant prawn]

tagged in sshots

[scenic mirage]

🥳 lfg

[fervent garden]

How much mw per coal gen is it

[fervent garden]

I am not looking for a group tho-

[green fiber]

says so in the build menu

[fervent garden]

And the capacity of the power pole mk1 is 450?

[scenic mirage]

ok?

[fervent garden]

You said lfg, Looking for group

[scenic mirage]

power poles do not have a power limit, they have a connection limit tho

[scenic mirage]

😭 lets fucking go

[stuck bough]

am i tripping or was there never recipe for better aluminium sheet? i swear you could make it without copper

[fervent garden]

So the capacity under production is the capacity of my power plant?

[fervent garden]

Idk, I am nowhere near alluminum

[ornate saffron]

there is a alt recipe

[scenic mirage]

ye

[hard ivy]

sheets? no, I don't think so

[true mulch]

not for sheets

[fervent garden]

Okay okay, thank you. That's good to know. NOW TO MAKE IT GO OVER NINE THOUSAND!

[true mulch]

sheets always used copper and aluminum ingots since being added in update 2

[fervent garden]

WITH ONLY COAL GENSSSAS

[scenic mirage]

dont spend too much time on coal tbh, oil is a lot closer than it seems

[stuck bough]

aw man

[fervent sand]

fun fact, the manga said 8000. The anime said 9000

[fervent garden]

Never read or seen either.

I prefer older animes

I like the animes Studio Ghibli made

[fervent sand]

the episode where it’s from aired in 1997, actually. Or that’s what Google told me

[quick stone]

Anyone have an AMD 9950x/9950x3d they can load my save with? My save is using ~80% of my AMD 5950x. Not sure if its worth spending the extra ~$200 on the x3d variant

#screenshots message

[fervent garden]

Like howls moving castle,and spirited away

[true mulch]

ask in #1038092680493801533 it'll get lost here

[quick stone]

I was just thinking that

[fervent sand]

same

[ornate saffron]

those are old????

i guess im hyper old

[frail sleet]

I can, dm me

[fervent sand]

haven’t actually watched howl’s moving castle

[fervent garden]

Howls moving castle was made two years before I was born.

04

[ornate saffron]

plus new ram and MB lol

[ornate saffron]

okay i get it im just hyper old

[fervent sand]

What no I’ve watched a lot of the other ghibli movies

[fervent garden]

Princess mononoke was made in 1997.

[ornate saffron]

juist making me feel older lol

[fervent sand]

just haven’t watched howl’s

[ornate saffron]

I saw Akira in theaters

[fervent garden]

Jesus how old are you

Bro got the front seat during world war 2

Bro was in the great depression

Bro was there when 9/11 happened

[fervent sand]

9/11 wasn’t that long ago

[ornate saffron]

ww2 no, 1920's great depression.... no. I was in the Gym when 9/11 happened

playing dodge ball

[sharp basin]

I know someone pinged me today but I don’t know how to find his message, if he recognizes him/herself

[fervent garden]

2011 Was more than TEN YEARS AGO

[sweet tusk]

Just finished my factory for building the space elevator. Can't wait to see how many biomass burners I need to power the whole thing

[fervent garden]

If you're on computer, go to the search bar, Do mentions: Smoggleboy

[fervent garden]

You got pinged yesterday at 10:13 am

[sharp basin]

Nop I’m on my phone

[sweet tusk]

Only 8 biomass burners surprisingly

[sharp basin]

Always discord on my phone

[fervent garden]

Your most recent ping was at 10:13 AM from @ornate saffron

[fervent sand]

app?

[sharp basin]

Yeah

[fervent garden]

I'll ping you in it smoggle

@sharp basin

[fervent sand]

ok it’s been a while since I’ve used app I do not recall how to

[fervent garden]

I spend too much time on discord.

[fervent sand]

(I use discord web mobile. Which is just cursed)

[fervent garden]

(What is mentally wrong with you)

[hard ivy]

why'd you subject yourself to this XD

[fervent garden]

My saying was better

[fervent sand]

long story

[little shale]

Isn’t there a way to build a building into a conveyor belt? I have difficulty placing the buildings in a way that satisfies how the conveyor belt allows. Like it’s so bad that I actually build a buildings a few times before I get the placement right

[fervent garden]

Building first, Then conveyer tf

[scenic mirage]

if im not using blueprints i place buildings first, then conveyors. when making blueprints i do the same thing, but the blueprints can all connect together automatically

[fervent sand]

basically: #off-topic-media message

[charred sandal]

tf?

Also use a BP

[fervent sand]

This phone still works

if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[unkempt blade]

what a weird thing to say on a video game discord

[fervent garden]

Who even are you bro- You just appeared.

[fervent garden]

Give it to me 🙂

[scenic mirage]

bro factory carts is in here everyday, hes a goat

[fervent garden]

I've never seen him in my life. Like ever.

[fervent sand]

…so you’re one?

[sweet light]

uhh...

[scenic mirage]

sounds like thats your fault 😭

[fervent garden]

No no, I was gonna break it.

[fervent sand]

I think I shall pass

[fervent garden]

What version is it

[leaden turret]

<@&387163995947270144>

[fervent garden]

Sir.

[feral geyser]

Wow we punish people for opinions now?

[fervent sand]

huh???

[little shale]

I haven’t unlocked it yet

[fervent garden]

I don't see how people get offended from me saying that.

[leaden turret]

• poor grammar
• baby troll vocab

[charred sandal]

Are you using foundations? Maybe thats why you think it looks so bad

[fervent garden]

You're just trying to ragebait.

[feral geyser]

Cmon Marv 😒